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Maghlawatan

There are all sorts of things that never make it in to the discourse Judaism is not hatred. It's Mensches versus Cossacks. I am with the Mensches. Fairuz is a Mensch. So are the people in Gaza, Hass, Gideon Levy, Yasmin Levy, Gurvitz, Zochrot, Btselem. The only Sabras who have managed to escape the suffocating Groupthink of Zionism are those who had parents who could see what was happening. We have to get Jews back to Menschkeit. The religion didn't survive this long by being asshole focused. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/israeli-mk-gets-a-taste-of-palestinian-humiliation-at-qalandiyah-checkpoint.premium-1.516933 "And he is scared," wrote Kol, who has helped advance bills in the fields of children's rights, violence against children, health and education. "I am scared. I am scared that we will continue living like this. And that fear scares me." http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636 But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream. In the corners there is light That is good for you And behind you, I have warned you, There are awful things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BC1qbEjhDU

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  • Breaking: UN Security Council passes historic resolution against settlements as two-state solution 'slips away'
    • Danon is an indoctrinated Mizrahi who talks about Ashkenazi trauma as if it is his own. In another time and birth country he would have been a Nazi. What is so striking is the poverty of political talent available to Zionism today.

      http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2011/08/201185103022120129.html

    • Thanks for the link

    • Yonah this vote is different to Carter 1980 cuz the goys have had 36 years to follow Israel in the intervening time and the goys know that Israel is not interested in peace. So leverage comes into play. The goys know that Zionists are ####s by now.

    • Israel has spent $120bn on YESHA. Israel never had that kind of money. They could have spent $20bn modernising the Orthodox and bringing education up to first world standards. They could have spent $1 bn looking after Holocaust survivors. They could have spent $10 bn developing regional trade. But they were too cheap and too lazy.

      This vote is sanctions lubricant. The world has had enough.

    • Iraq and Syria were both lost. Hezbollah has fighting experience nobody in the IDF has.
      This vote shows the wider world is sick of Zionist victimhood and lies. None of the settlements are legitimate.
      Israel needs to think carefully. Trump will give it carte blanche but statehood is supposed to be forever.

  • 'Guardian' newspaper fails to support colleague facing deportation threat from Israeli government
  • With US reportedly poised to abstain on U.N. resolution slamming Israel, Egyptians withdraw it under pressure
    • Venezuela, NZ, Sénégal and one other have retabled the vote to 6 EST. People are sick of Israeli intransigence.

    • This is linked to Lapid and Anthony Lowenstein. In Hebrew it all makes sense. Israel wants peace. It's much harder to explain IRL. The cognitive dissonance is overwhelming. Lowenstein may not even speak Hebrew.

    • Deferred until when? The Dems might shaft Israel. Trump won't.

  • Forced existence
    • I remember discussing this stuff with a Zionist called Hans Schouten 10 years ago on the guardian site. Nothing has changed. Israel is severely unhinged.

    • I think this is a stand out article. Israel is not a political problem. It is a lethal concoction of trauma and the absolute worst of Judaism. It is by now unreachable . The only sane people inside the borders of Eretz Israel hashlemah are the Palestinians and a tiny minority of Jews. Netanyahu feeds the pathology of victimhood. One of the monotheistic religions ends up running apartheid. And there is no equilibrium. Israel goes deeper and deeper into trauma and hatred.

    • Israel is a basket case of Jewish trauma that is fed by the army and the education system.
      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612763
      " While Begin personally escaped the Holocaust, Netanyahu embodies second-hand trauma. "It's 1938 and Iran is Germany," summed up his perception of our enemies, between whom he refuses to make distinctions. His military threats against Iran expressed the hubris that is the opposite pole of the fantasy. Netanyahu's contradictory tone of perpetual fear and overconfidence has resonated with a large piece of the Israeli public. He speaks what they feel."

      Israel is a messed up society that has lost its moral compass. It projects its trauma 24/7 onto the Palestinians, who are far more normal than Jewish Israelis . Gaza gets the full hatred.

      http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-1.610988

      "Hassan, who has worked at the mental health center since 1991, spoke a lot in our conversation about the meaning of psychological treatment during periods of unrelenting and continuing trauma. “I came to the conclusion that such treatment is not ethical,” he said. “For 23 years, I have been trying to help children living in trauma, but there is no guarantee that they will not be affected again. It’s as if I am just preparing them to deal with something worse. You cannot provide true psychological treatment when the patients have no protection, no guarantee that it won’t happen again and soon, when what causes trauma never ends,” he said. "

      Gaza is not responsible for the unmet pyschological needs of Yossi Israeli.
      Israel will end in a conflagration

  • Hell just froze over: the New York Times runs an article saying Zionism is racist
  • David Friedman is out of step with American Jews and dangerous for Palestinian human rights
  • Israel threatens to toss Antony Loewenstein after he asked Lapid question about apartheid
    • Catalan,

      Rape is about power and humiliation. So is Zionism. I think the analogy is fair.
      Prisoners in Israel are threatened with tape and the rape of female family members. This is the Zionist interpretation of the Bible line about a land of milk and honey.

    • Lapid is lined up to be King of the Jews after Netanyahu. And he is very handsome. But what a crap answer. He thinks in Hebrew and his votes are in Hebrew so he answered in Hebrew.. and it was translated into English, where it is bullshit.

  • Historical evidence does not support Zionist claims re the Western Wall
  • Friedman pick will force good liberal Zionists to admit the peace process has failed
    • The settlers and Likud are bad faith all the way through. Decent politics and values have no place in Israel. Liberal Jews who think Israel is like any other country are for the birds.

    • The dream of a Jewish democracy has been dead for years. Gilo is almost 50 years old. The question has always been whether or not Israel can pull it off. Can it actually cover apartheid with the Holocaust pass? And the answer is still "no".

      Israeli society didn't develop as the Scriptures predicted

      - It has a very poor attitude to quality
      - it runs Groupthink
      - it is violent and thinks vioilence solves problems
      - It will just blank anyone who questions YESHA

      So the house has been bet on YESHA

      The unwind will be epic

  • Challenging an ideology means rupturing with community and family
    • I often wonder what the Mizrahi Jews were like and what kind of Weltanschauung they had pre 1948. It couldn't have been the trauma driven dystopia that is Zionism

    • Avigail

      I don't think Judaism was strong enough to stand up to Zionism. Judaism is an outsider thing. Never had power really. Sort of like homosexuality. Different to the mainstream and developed accordingly. With its own logic.
      Then Israel got power. And nobody knew how to use it.

      Hartman identifies the problem within Judaism , the thing the butchers hide behind

      https://hartman.org.il/Blogs_View.asp?Article_Id=657&Cat_Id=273&Cat_Type=
      "When one calls, however, for the boycotting or international sanctioning of Israel or the forcing of its government to adopt policies which are counter to the expressed will of its democratically elected government, even if one believes that one is doing so for the good of Israel, one is locating oneself on the side of our foes, a side that friends need to be wary of.
      If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
      We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not."

      Israel is basically a moral collapse . Leibowitz knew that years ago.

      http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-babylon/.premium-1.600000

      Yeshayahu Leibowitz wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.” Less than six years after the creation of a sovereign state with a powerful army, Leibowitz wrote that the “real religious and moral meaning of our political rebirth and the return to our hands of the use of force” would be a severe test for Jews who were too accustomed to being victims. “Can we prove capable not only of suffering for these values we exalted, but also acting upon them?” he asked. “It’s easy to suffer, physically and materially for values, even to sacrifice our lives: that necessitates only physical courage which exists in surprising quantities among all human gatherings. It’s difficult to suffer for values, when this suffering means also giving up things which are also seen as values.” In the decades after 1967, Leibowitz would be excoriated by the right wing for his fierce criticism of the occupation which he, perhaps inexcusably, described as “Judeo-Nazi.” But he was speaking as a fervent Zionist who was one of the first to see how the success of Zionism meant we had to realize we were no longer victims and that victory came with a moral price. It was “the great test we are faced with by national liberation, political independence and sovereign power — as a nation, a society and a culture which for generations had the privilege of mental and spiritual enjoyment in exile, foreign-rule and self-impotence "

      As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials have confirmed to econoffs on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge

      http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0630/breaking44.html
      However, a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Dublin the Israelis had no information about what happened to the boat. “We further wish to repeat what the United Nations data clearly shows: there has never been hunger in Gaza, there is no humanitarian crisis there

    • I met Jeff Halper once. He does great work but in a framework that is Zionist. And the situation has already moved beyond Zionism. Zionism is insane as evidenced by Azaria, 2014, the thing at the western wall, Bennett, Shaked etc.

      Kneejerk Jewish support for Zionism is based on the notion that Israel is ok, that it works, that it can be trusted. And none of these apply.

      "Ariel Vegosen similarly adapts the Torah to argue that it is incumbent upon Jews to stand up against oppression and pursue justice."

      You can use the Torah to justify ANYTHING, good or hateful

  • Adelson and Saban were kingmakers, now they're beggars
    • "the Jewish community is gaining maturity and confidence -"

      I'll believe it when I see it. Let's wait until the AIPAC conference

      American political business as usual is played by a praying mantis. Zionism is exposed to the light. Zionism doesn't like the light.

  • Trump pick for ambassador to Israel supports Israeli annexation of West Bank and calls liberal Jews 'kapos' (Updated)
  • Two-thirds of Palestinians believe Palestinian state is no longer possible
  • Site being considered for US embassy in Jerusalem is stolen Palestinian private property
  • Israel plunders West Bank tourism economy as part of 'creeping annexation' of Palestine
    • The political cost of reversing YESHA and admitting to Yossi and Yosefina Israeli
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb-f8CTafHs
      that $120 bn was lost is too high

      http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-article/1.601122
      "Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
      This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival. "

      So Israel has decided to spend even more money on the settlers and accept the risk that the entire Zionist project collapses .

      It's a no brainer.

      http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-babylon/.premium-1.600000

      Yeshayahu Leibowitz wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.”
      Less than six years after the creation of a sovereign state with a powerful army, Leibowitz wrote that the “real religious and moral meaning of our political rebirth and the return to our hands of the use of force” would be a severe test for Jews who were too accustomed to being victims. “Can we prove capable not only of suffering for these values we exalted, but also acting upon them?” he asked. “It’s easy to suffer, physically and materially for values, even to sacrifice our lives: that necessitates only physical courage which exists in surprising quantities among all human gatherings. It’s difficult to suffer for values, when this suffering means also giving up things which are also seen as values.”
      In the decades after 1967, Leibowitz would be excoriated by the right wing for his fierce criticism of the occupation which he, perhaps inexcusably, described as “Judeo-Nazi.” But he was speaking as a fervent Zionist who was one of the first to see how the success of Zionism meant we had to realize we were no longer victims and that victory came with a moral price. It was “the great test we are faced with by national liberation, political independence and sovereign power — as a nation, a society and a culture which for generations had the privilege of mental and spiritual enjoyment in exile, foreign-rule and self-impotence.”

  • Azaria's conviction will end a totalitarian ideology
    • The Mizrahi Jews are wasting their time living in a totalitarian society. There is a whole world out there ....

    • Yakov you are correct about the state of Israeli society. It's like Prussia 2.0 with warmongering in its blood and society built around the military and Palestinians as Slavs..The only way to normalise Israel will be to take over the education system. I think Israel is headed for Masada

    • Azaria is a product of the Israeli education /Army /yeshiva system. there are hundreds of thousands more like him with a sick sense of entitlement. The occupation breeds them. the idea that Israel is normal and Azaria a freak is sadly wrong. Azaria is a child of Netanyahu's Israel.

    • The only thing that will end the totalitarian ideology is political power of sufficient heft. No sign of that. The majority of Israeli Jews is undemocratic. Mizrahi from the Middle East. Orthodox both Middle East and European. Russians. Settlers . The percentage of thinking Israelis might be as low as 20. Jewish blessedness is so politically attractive. Zionism itself is deluded. Ben Gurion thought it doesn't matter what the goys think. All that matters is what Jews do. But what goys think is very important. A society in moral crisis has no self discipline, no red lines.

    • Israeli society is in a state of moral decay. It is not stable. The Azaria story is a abomination . There will be something worse next year. Netanayahu has presided over the decay. Bennett is a real Nazi.

      Goldberg would defend the klling of 3 kids on a beach in Gaza by accusations of blood libel but Bennett blames the kids.

  • Life in six words
  • Theresa May adopts a definition of anti-Semitism that demonizes Israel's critics
    • I was thinking the same thing. I read about denazification recently. One German officer said it was the first time he had been treated as a human in 12 years.
      A German man in his 90s died a few weeks ago and donated £380,000 to the village in Scotland in which he was held after the war. Because they were so kind to him.

    • It won't make any difference. Any organisation that suppresses constructive criticism is doomed.

    • Broadside he is a sadist in his own right.

    • Jon
      It's possible to hate ISIS for what it does.
      And hate the IDF for what it does
      And the IDF is a Citizen army

      I am interested in the factors that would lead people to hate Jews for what they actually do and what they so openly support
      Zionism assumes the Holocaust pass covers everything. It doesn't.

    • Theresa May and antisemitism : Israel is the smarmy kid that holds onto the teacher's skirt and makes faces at the other kids. na na na na.
      The smarmy kid that tortures puppies and is out of control . It's not ADD. It's something far more disturbing.

    • Theresa May is very poor

    • People have the right to identify as Transgender. But they don't hjave the right to force anyone else to endure something illegal because they themselves are transgender.
      Jewish self determination cannot impinge on the rights of non Jews.

    • Annie

      The Jews of Europe had no land. So the Zionists had to sequester some. Unfortunately it belonged to people. So they had to be dispossessed.
      Thus apartheid.
      Religion is at the rotten heart of it.

    • "How about judging people by their actions, not their religion or ethnicity -"

      Lovely idea but Israeli apartheid is a function of religion.
      If religion didn't matter in Shangri La there couldn't be apartheid.

    • Jon

      Orthodox rabbis rape kids at a similar level to the rape output of Catholic priests so your comparison is off.

      Israeli society is sick

      https://storify.com/public/templates/slideshow/index.html?src=//storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

      http://addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/israeli-mobs-hunt-palestinians-chanting-schools-out-in-gaza-there-are-no-children-left

      It's not a few bad apples when kids are educated to hate.
      Are we supposed to respect that ?
      Why haven't the decent people in Israel been able to control the extremists ?

      Old fashioned antisemitism worked around the myth of the blood libel, of Jews as child killers. Completely baseless.

      Israel kills kids in industrial quantities and is proud of it.

      A day will come when Israel needs European support and there won't be any.

    • Traditional antisemitism had no foundation. Zionism gives people a reason to hate Jews. Using white phosphorous, murdering kids in the hundreds, torture, destroying homes, apartheid, brainwashing....

    • In 2014 the Jewish Chronicle, a UK newspaper, pulled an ad for humanitarian aid for people in Gaza because the readership found it offensive.

      In 2014 Jewish thugs in Israel sang genocidal chants in public.

      It is impossible to protect Israel legally from the nonsense of Zionists .

      The idea that the laws of other countries can be manipulated to protect the settlers is insane

  • 44% of Israelis support annexing West Bank; half of those favoring annexation think Palestinians shouldn't be given equal rights
  • On '60 Minutes,' Stahl is positive about BDS and suggests Netanyahu is anti-American
    • Hoppy

      Israeli education is shit.
      Israeli building standards are shit
      Israeli planning is pitiful.

      the country is living on borrowed time with that occupation.

      the first Jewish kingdom collapsed
      Another Jewish age ended in Masada
      A mean reversion will really hurt

  • Israel advocates worry Trump's pick for State has anti-Israel bias
  • Jewish brawl on CNN signals breakup of the pro-Israel monolith in the Trump era
    • Blood money and blood libel. Zionism loves throwing big terms around. The whiniest, neediest ideology in the world.

    • Zionism needs to grow up. It cannot control the Middle East via the IDF and a compliant Congress. It has to live in the real world. Thomas Friedman can get Israel to suck on that . Iran has huge investment needs andthe US needs its market.

    • They can buy legislation but they can't stop Zionism losing all public support. Israel won't exist much lonGer given current dynamics. Economy is stagnant. YESHA grows by 7% a year in costs. The Orthodox do not work. They are tryin to ban reform and conservative from the western wall. Israel runs apartheid. It will all collapse all by its little self .

    • Reminded me of Kastner

    • Dead right about the ADL. It can give it in Israel but it can't take it in the US.

    • That ad was a warning from Bannon that the power was shifting. Bannon wants to build a 50 year Reich to maintain a white majority . And it won't be hopey changey liberal. He wanted to make that clear to the tikkun olam aren't we so wonderful working in culture and the media Jews. You have to choose.

      Bannon wants a different style of leadership at the Fed. The picture of Blankfein was political theatre because Trump has appointed 2 Goldman people to senior positions. Bannon knows moneyed Zionists hate being exposed to the light.

      Trump promised to drain the swamp in that video. He actually has been adding his own Citizens United gators to the swamp sInce he won but that is how power works. No hard feelings.

      Bannon is not interested in a Jewish tent where everyone is Jewish and everyone supports Israel, all the way from ADL to ZOA He sets the rules. You are pro Trump and pro Israel. You can't identify as liberal to be in the club.

      Players like Boteach are moths driven to the light of power.
      Trump is all about tax cuts for the rich. In 2001 the GOP slashed taxes. It cushioned the blow of the 911 crash. But when Lehman collapsed in 2008 the cupboard was bare and the US had to run a deficit of 10% to stabilise things.
      With Trump's tax cuts there will be zero margin if the economy crashes again. The US will not be able to run a deficit of 20%. Nobody will fund it.

      The Zionists will be lashed to this regime. Bannon will throw Jews to the wolves if it makes political sense after the scale of the Trump betrayal registers in Hillbilly country.
      This is the lesson of the 30s when economies collapse. The Zionist power play collapses too. Last time the Zionists saved people like the Bratslav rabbi and Kastner's friends. The story for individual Jews is you will be on your own. Maybe Iran will offer asylum when the Zionist house of cards goes tits up.

    • Breitbart is about white power and the end justifies the means. There was vile harassment of Jewish journos during the election. Trump is like a Venus Fly trap for Zionists. The trap works by luring in insect Schmucks via nectar which for Zionists is power and then entrapping them so they can be eaten. Zionists will worship power even if it means schmoozing with Nazis. It is an old movie and throwing Jews under buses has a long history. Israel is the least safe place for Jews in the wored.

  • 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' -- Really?
    • Jon

      Israel was seized in a war. So it will be lost in a war.

    • Orthodoxy is slowly strangling Reform and Conservative. In 50 years time there'll just be Orthodoxy. In exile from Israel

    • Mooser, that is the money shot.
      The first exercise in Jewish sovereignty since BC has been a disaster.

      I read a story about a man who wanted to buy a sportscar. He saved up and got the money together but his wife threatened to leave. Every year he tried again and every year she refused.
      Finally he retired. She gave in they went to the garage. He bought a red car and drove out onto the road.
      30 minutes later he was dead.

      Israel is a bit like that.

    • The return to Zion wasn't worth praying for. The prophets never said anything about brainwashed kids, Jewish torture or white phosphorous.

    • Letting in the Russians was the second lethal mistake. The first lethal mistake was starting YESHA.

    • Jon

      One of the enemies of the Hebrews had a god named Moloch (Malik) to whom children were sacrificed. The practice was so odious that it still remembered.

      http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ghettos/rumkowski.html
       

      Jewish children being deported from Łódź
      "A grievous blow has struck the ghetto. They are asking us to give up the best we possess -the children and the elderly. I was unworthy of having a child of my own, so I gave the best years of my life to children. I've lived and breathed with children, I never imagined I would be forced to deliver this sacrifice to the altar with my own hands. In my old age, I must stretch out my hands and beg: Brothers and sisters! Hand them over to me! Fathers and mothers: Give me your children!
       
      I had a suspicion something was going to befall us. I anticipated "something" and was always like a watchman: on guard to prevent it. But I was unsuccessful because I did not know what was threatening us. The taking of the sick from the hospitals caught me completely by surprise. And I give you the best proof there is of this: I had my own nearest and dearest among them and I could do nothing for them!
       
      I thought that would be the end of it, that after that, they'd leave us in peace, the peace for which I long so much, for which I've always worked, which has been my goal. But something else, it turned out, was destined for us. Such is the fate of the Jews: always more suffering and always worse suffering, especially in times of war.
       
      Yesterday afternoon, they gave me the order to send more than 20,000 Jews out of the ghetto, and if not - "We will do it!” So the question became, 'Should we take it upon ourselves, do it ourselves, or leave it to others to do?". Well, we - that is, I and my closest associates - thought first not about "How many will perish?" but "How many is it possible to save?" And we reached the conclusion that, however hard it would be for us, we should take the implementation of this order into our own hands.
       
      I must perform this difficult and bloody operation - I must cut off limbs in order to save the body itself. I must take children because, if not, others may be taken as well - God forbid.
       
      I have no thought of consoling you today. Nor do I wish to calm you. I must lay bare your full anguish and pain. I come to you like a bandit, to take from you what you treasure most in your hearts! I have tried, using every possible means, to get the order revoked. I tried - when that proved to be impossible - to soften the order. Just yesterday, I ordered a list of children aged 9 - I wanted at least to save this one aged-group: the nine to 10 year olds. But I was not granted this concession. On only one point did I succeed: in saving the 10 year olds and up. Let this be a consolation to our profound grief.
       
      There are, in the ghetto, many patients who can expect to live only a few days more, maybe a few weeks. I don't know if the idea is diabolical or not, but I must say it: "Give me the sick. In their place we can save the healthy."
      I know how dear the sick are to any family, and particularly to Jews. However, when cruel demands are made, one has to weigh and measure: who shall, can and may be saved? And common sense dictates that the saved must be those who can be saved and those who have a chance of being rescued, not those who cannot be saved in any case...
       

      Rumkowksi tasting the ghetto soup
      We live in the ghetto, mind you. We live with so much restriction that we do not have enough even for the healthy, let alone for the sick. Each of us feeds the sick at the expense of our own health: we give our bread to the sick. We give them our meager ration of sugar, our little piece of meat. And what's the result? Not enough to cure the sick, and we ourselves become ill. Of course, such sacrifices are the most beautiful and noble. But there are times when one has to choose: sacrifice the sick, who haven't the slightest chance of recovery and who also may make others ill, or rescue the healthy.
       
      I could not deliberate over this problem for long; I had to resolve it in favor of the healthy. In this spirit, I gave the appropriate instructions to the doctors, and they will be expected to deliver all incurable patients, so that the healthy, who want and are able to live, will be saved in their place.
       
      I understand you, mothers; I see your tears, alright. I also feel what you feel in your hearts, you fathers who will have to go to work in the morning after your children have been taken from you, when just yesterday you were playing with your dear little ones. All this I know and feel. Since 4 o'clock yesterday, when I first found out about the order, I have been utterly broken. I share your pain. I suffer because of your anguish, and I don't know how I'll survive this - where I'll find the strength to do so.
       
      I must tell you a secret: they requested 24,000 victims, 3000 a day for eight days. I succeeded in reducing the number to 20,000, but only on the condition that these be children under the age of 10. Children 10 and older are safe! Since the children and the aged together equal only some 13,000 souls, the gap will have to be filled with the sick.
       
      I can barely speak. I am exhausted; I only want to tell you what I am asking of you: Help me carry out this action! I am trembling. I am afraid that others, God forbid, will do it themselves.
       
      A broken Jew stands before you. Do not envy me. This is the most difficult of all orders I have ever had to carry out at any time. I reach out to you with my broken, trembling hands and beg: Give into my hands the victims! So that we can avoid having further victims, and a population of 100,000 Jews can be preserved! So, they promised me: If we deliver our victims by ourselves, there will be peace!!!
       
      At this point in the speech the crowd begins shouting. Many cry out:
      “We will not let the children go alone! We will all go!”
       
      Rumkowski continues:
       

      Rumkowski delivers one of his many ghetto speeches
      These are empty phrases!!! I don't have the strength to argue with you! If the authorities were to arrive, none of you would be shouting!
       
      I understand what it means to tear off a part of the body. Yesterday, I begged on my knees, but it did not work. From small villages with Jewish populations of 7000 to 8000, barely 1000 arrived here. So which is better? What do you want? That 80,000 to 90,000 Jews remain, or God forbid, that the whole population be annihilated?
       
      You may judge as you please; my duty is to preserve the Jews who remain. I do not speak to hot-heads! I speak to your reason and conscience. I have done and will continue doing everything possible to keep arms from appearing in the streets and blood from being shed. The order could not be undone; it could only be reduced.
       
      One needs the heart of a bandit to ask from you what I am asking. But put yourself in my place, think logically, and you'll reach the conclusion that I cannot proceed any other way. The part that can be saved is much larger than the part that must be given away!"
       
      End Speech

      It is no surprise Israel is such a mess

    • Dabakr

      Israel is supposed to be foreva. That means US support is foreva. That means tech superiority is foreva. That means IDF dominance is foreva. That means Israel needs to win media foreva. Israel has v strong support in the over 60s. Very strong. Israel's numbers with millennials are dreadful.
      And millennials live in social media. And the Zionist gatekeeper model doesn't work in social media.

      Be careful what you wish for cos you just might get it.

    • Mooser

      the project got off to a bad start when they operation magic carpeted in the Sephardim . And then were mean to them, So the Sephardim took their revenge in 1977. then another bad move by adding the Russians as ballast. Another stupid move was the settlement project. And another one was promising Eternal welfare to the orthodox, Who won't let any else near the holiest of holies. Which belongs to all Jews. Even though it is in East Jerusalem.

      The motif running through the whole business is sloppy quality control.

      A lot of people think Israel is like a bridge session in Brooklyn. Those kind of people. But they would be wrong.

    • Jonathan I think Judaism is part of the problem.
      Judaism doesn't solve problems via discussion. You are either in agreement with the rest or you are an enemy. The Zionist penchant for career destruction and assassination didn't come from nowhere,

      I suppose this came from the shtetl. It's ripe for abuse and manipulation by unscrupulous people. And people like Adelson and Netanyahu have milked it to death. The mess with the Palestinians cannot be managed any more internally in the Jewish community.

      Gaza will probably destroy Judaism

      http://www.islamdaily.org/en/world-issues/america/8617.american-opinion-on-israel-and-the-congresss.htm
      The Israel Project (TIP), an American Hasbara outfit, commissioned Republican political consultant Frank Luntz to examine the effectiveness of Israel’s public diplomacy in the US on the Flotilla debacle. TIP gave the memo to the Prime Minister’s Office, where someone promptly leaked it to Chico Menashe, Channel Ten TV News diplomatic affairs correspondent.
      Luntz’s findings are grim. Here’s a summary:
      1. 56% of Americans agree with the claim that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza;
      2. 43% of Americans agree with the claim that people in Gaza are starving;
      3. [Only] 34% of Americans support the Israeli operation against the Flotilla;
      4. [Only] 20% of Americans “felt support” for Israel following announcement of easing of Gaza closure.
      Menashe wraps:
      The figures are troubling and worrisome. If that is the situation with our great friend the US, it is easy to imagine the situation in other, somewhat less sympathetic countries.
      Below is the full translated transcript of the report. An embedded link to the video is appended at bottom.
      [More:]
      —–
      Frank Luntz analyses Netanyahu’s media performance in the flotilla affair
      The figures are troubling and worrisome. If that is the situation with our great friend the US, it is easy to imagine the situation in other, somewhat less sympathetic countries.

      https://hartman.org.il/Blogs_View.asp?Article_Id=657&Cat_Id=273&Cat_Type=
      "When one calls, however, for the boycotting or international sanctioning of Israel or the forcing of its government to adopt policies which are counter to the expressed will of its democratically elected government, even if one believes that one is doing so for the good of Israel, one is locating oneself on the side of our foes, a side that friends need to be wary of.
      If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
      We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not."

    • Jon Most of the Talmud was written in exile
      When Jews were not in power. It's easy to be moral in exile. It's like being in opposition. Easy to say stuff.
      Very hard with power to be moral.
      Israel was probably the worst thing that could happen to Judaism.
      Because it is a bet. Can Jews pull it off?
      They probably can't,. Ben Gurion made the wrong call regarding the Palestinians and another dumb one regarding the Orthodox.

  • Adelson delivered! Now it's Trump's turn
    • Shadi Hamid [email protected] 27 min

      Shadi Hamid retweeted Shaun King
      In other news, former congressman @AllenWest supports the "extermination" of Muslims

    • John Bolton has done some acting

  • Why a Texas rabbi keeps losing a debate over Israel with a white nationalist leader
  • 'NYT' bias amazes: long article about online incitement in Israel/Palestine only blames Palestinians
    • Dabakr Shaked has all the sex appeal of a brainwashed Nazi

    • Jon IsraelI society is a mess. For every lefty like you there are 3 fruitcakes and one fascist.
      It is clearly visible in the political system. The Orthodox are vicious bigots even against people like you. The settlers are bastards . The Russians are not house trained. The kids are brainwashed. 20 year olds talk about genocide . Israel is a failed state.

    • And Jews for years prayed towards Jerusalem......

      Tibi – Ahmed Tibi
      I wanted you to know
      The next kid to be hurt will be your kid
      I hate Tibi
      I hate Tibi the terrorist.
      Tibi – is dead!
      Tibi – is dead!
      Tibi – is dead!
      Tibi is a terrorist.
      Tibi is a terrorist.
      Tibi is a terrorist.
      They’ll take their papers away.
      They’ll take their papers away.
      They’ll take their papers away.
      Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé
      In Gaza there’s no studying
      No children are left there,
      Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé,
      [Three lines, not entirely clear]
      Who is getting nervous, I hear?
      Zoabi, this here is the Land of Israel
      This here is the Land of Israel, Zoabi
      This here is the Land of the Jews
      I hate you, I do, Zoabi
      I hate all the Arabs.
      Oh-oh-oh-oh
      Gaza is a graveyard
      Gaza is a graveyard
      Gaza is a graveyard
      Gaza is a graveyard

    • Only 94% of Israeli Jews supported Cast Lead
      So it's unfair to the 6% to lump them in with the racists and sadists

      School’s Out in Gaza, There Are No Children Left!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Jj_Oe7uQc

      The cream of Judaism.

      I feel sorry for you, Jon

      there were people like you in French Algeria.
      Decent people.
      But the majority isn't decent

    • Mooser

      Guess what Orthodox fundis living in the settlements think of lefties like Jon

    • Jon, Shaked represents Jewish privilege. No right of return. No compensation for 1948
      So do you.
      You can have her

    • Mooser didn't you know the Mufti ran the Shoah? The Germans were framed. That is why Israel buys submarines from Germany to attack Gaza with

    • Jon

      What is HBS doing to support Bedouin in the Negev who have their homes demolished by the Jewish State ?

      You are either with the Bedouin or with the Army.

      Which is it ?

    • The ADL on Twitter is a great resource for anyone who wants to know more about cognitive dissonance

      ADL [email protected]_National 2 dec
      .@nyuniversity pres. sends a clear message to universities across the country by rejecting the principles of #BDS >> http://bit.ly/2fPvF8e

      ADL [email protected]_National 4 dec.
      Did you know: 28% of 10 to 18 year-olds report being cyberbullied. Explore the topic here: http://bit.ly/1dQy2Ka

      ADL

      [email protected]_National
      Since the election, there has been a spike in hate-based attacks. If you've been targeted, speak out & #ExposeHate:

    • Israeli incitement is all over the internet

      There was one video during the Gaza war in 2014 of Israeli Jews singing "School's out in Gaza, there are no children any more"

      http://addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/israeli-mobs-hunt-palestinians-chanting-schools-out-in-gaza-there-are-no-children-left/

      Younger Jews who grew up during the Netanyahu years are seriously damaged

      https://storify.com/public/templates/slideshow/index.html?src=//storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

      Israel is probably the only Western democracy in which a member of parliament, Ayelet Shaked, who publicly advocates genocide of the residents of Gaza, has not been expelled from her political party, Habayit Hayehudi, or from parliament…

      and who can forget Joanie

      , interviewed at LAX by TMZ, she said that the media were “insane” for focusing on Palestinian civilian deaths, and said the U.S. in Israel’s place would wipe out the Palestinians in Gaza.
      Rivers: If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out.
      Reporter: What about the civilian casualty rates?
      Rivers: Don’t you dare put weapon stashes in private homes…
      Reporter: Where are the civilians supposed to go?
      Rivers: You’re all insane. They [Palestinians] started it. What are you all saying? They started it. The Israelis did not throw their– for months this has been going on. What are you supposed to do? How do I know? I have been over there. That’s how I know. And I wish the world would know. BBC should be ashamed of themselves. And CNN should be ashamed of themselves. And everybody, stop it already.

      She followed up with another airport rant in August. On that occasion, below, she said that Benjamin Netanyahu had invited her to come show solidarity with Israelis, “I think that would be great and I’m planning to go.” Of the Israelis, she said, “All they want is peace.” She slagged Penelope Cruz and Selena Gomez (“that other little moron”) for expressing concern about the massacre.
      The Palestinians who were killed deserve to be dead. “You’re dead. You deserve to be dead. You started it.”
      As for Hamas, “They were reelected by a lot of stupid people who don’t even own a pencil.”
      As the reporter pressed her on the death toll, 2000, she said, “Oh my god, tell that to the people in Hiroshima,” justifying Israel’s actions by U.S. actions. 100,000 killed in Hiroshima? “Good. Good.”
      Rivers came in for widespread criticism over the comments.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-leader-rabbis/
      and Rabbi David-Seth Kirshner, who is an executive of the NY Board of Rabbis, suggested that Palestinians who voted for Hamas are combatants who deserve to be targeted by Israel. He said:
      When you are part of an election process that asks for a terrorist organization which proclaims in word and in deed that their primary objective is to destroy their neighboring country and not to build schools or commerce or jobs, you are complicit and you are not a civilian casualty.
      The crowd cheered. Kirshner went on to say that the Israeli army is “the most moral army in the history of civilization.” He ended his remarks with the word, Amen.

    • Amigo

      Do you know about this?

      https://www.facebook.com/gaajerseysforpalestine/

      People are so sick of Israeli impunity
      This is GAA for anyone unfamiliar with it

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