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  • 'We will make soap out of you!': Violent right-wing protest against Jerusalem art exhibit reflects rising anti-democratic tide in Israel
    • STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It's hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

      What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where ''people were lined up to spit on us."

      Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.

      The exaggerations in Smith's story are characteristic of those told by others. ''Most Vietnam veterans were spat on when we came back," he said. That's not true. A 1971 Harris poll conducted for the Veterans Administration found over 90 percent of Vietnam veterans reporting a friendly homecoming. Far from spitting on veterans, the antiwar movement welcomed them into its ranks and thousands of veterans joined the opposition to the war.
      The persistence of spat-upon Vietnam veteran stories suggests that they continue to fill a need in American culture. The image of spat-upon veterans is the icon through which many people remember the loss of the war, the centerpiece of a betrayal narrative that understands the war to have been lost because of treason on the home front. Jane Fonda's noisiest detractors insist she should have been prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, in conformity with the law of the land.

      But the psychological dimensions of the betrayal mentality are far more interesting than the legal. Betrayal is about fear, and the specter of self-betrayal is the hardest to dispel. The likelihood that the real danger to America lurks not outside but inside the gates is unsettling. The possibility that it was failure of masculinity itself, the meltdown of the core component of warrior culture, that cost the nation its victory in Vietnam has haunted us ever since.
      Many tellers of the spitting tales identify the culprits as girls, a curious quality to the stories that gives away their gendered subtext. Moreover, the spitting images that emerged a decade after the troops had come home from Vietnam are similar enough to the legends of defeated German soldiers defiled by women upon their return from World War I, and the rejection from women felt by French soldiers when they returned from their lost war in Indochina, to suggest something universal and troubling at work in their making. One can reject the presence of a collective subconscious in the projection of those anxieties, as many scholars would, but there is little comfort in the prospect that memories of group spit-ins, like Smith has, are just fantasies conjured in the imaginations of aging veterans.

      link to boston.com

  • Allegations of anti-Semitism used to cover up anti-Palestinian hate crime in Brooklyn
    • my sympathies to his kids. (I doubt Ms. Petlakh finds any of this alarming.) first 'dad' assaults a woman, then gets his clock cleaned. муда́к.

  • Judt on Brooks and Friedman's role in pushing the criminal invasion of Iraq
    • That was my reaction when I read the first sentence of this post as well. What shit he spun about current events in the Ukraine.

  • 'NYT' can't keep its story straight on anti-Semitism in Germany
    • I agree. The two developments are not necessarily incompatible factually speaking, although I don't believe that there are any valid statistics on anti-Semitism in Europe (the data have all been hopelessly polluted by the 'new anti-Semitism' meme.) if both cases are factually accurate, i.e. young Israelis fleeing Israel for Berlin with a simultaneous increase in anti-Semitism in Germany, as you suggest, this would be really bad news for battleship Israel.

  • NY rabbi implores those in her congregation who are joining Israel's enemies to love the country
    • i don't know if it's just the particular focus of this site or a real trend, but there seems to be an effort to put female rabbis out front on this, what with their nice smiles and lack of facial hair.

    • race. it's always about that discredited, squishy, undefinable 'key' to human relationships. racism and schizophrenia. what a mix.

  • ISIS wants us to come in and bomb Arabs (Rouhani and Matthews agree)
    • they are ghouls. and historians, of course.

      With a bitter irony born of ceaseless attacks, the Israelis call it “mowing the lawn.” They know a finality may come, but, alas, not in their time. They accept it, and go on living.

      Obama was right and candid to say this war he’s renewed will take years. This struggle is generational. This is not Sudan 1898. There is no Omdurman that defeats jihadism for much of a century.

      see, Krauthammer is a student of history, the tip off being his use of the anachronistic 'alas' and his reference to the 'Sudan 1898'. (It's interesting to see the revival of 'alas', usage steadily declining from 1800 to 2000, its resurgence coming in the early 2000s, linked, maybe to all this war on terror pseudo-history.)

      link to books.google.com

  • Ohio treasurer fights divestment from the 'beacon of American values' in the Middle East
  • Rosh Hashanah After Gaza
    • That's the dishonesty of beinart, seafoid. If 99% of jews intermarried after profound reflection, I doubt beinart would find that result less tragic. He's a salesman, of a sort, if he can only wedge his shoe in the jam before the door's slammed shut, he's sure to convince you.

    • The American Jewish community represents an unprecedented experiment in what happens when you combine mass ignorance of Jewish law and tradition with radical acceptance by the gentile world. The result is tragic.

      that beinart. he's something all right.

  • Homegrown jihadis and the limits of the Israel lobby
    • You can't compartmentalize 'policy on Israel' from 'ME policy'. That's simplistic. And there is no equivalence between Saudi influence and Israeli influence on US politics. Saudi maneuvering is conducted under the radar because support is weak. Exposed to the light it would spontaneously burst into flames. Prince so-and-so doesn't receive unqualified public support from 99 of 100 congressmen, and he doesn't dictate what weapons systems can and can't be sold to Israel.

  • Yale president's office was involved from the gitgo in blowup over Yale chaplain's letter
    • michton,

      your own analysis is error-laden.

      1. It was an error on Shipman's part to tie Israel's policies to 'growing anti-Semitism', without attempting to sort out which reactions to Israel's conduct are anti-Semitic, and which are unflinching criticisms of a state's policies. You just compound the error as your comment continues after the quote.

      2. No, anti-Semitic attitudes or conduct are not a legitimate reaction to Israeli conduct, but, assuming that anti-Semitism is part of the reaction to Israeli conduct, Israel/Zionism has intentionally confused the issue. By casting itself as the arbiter of authentic Jewishness, it has ensured that criticism of Israel and 'the Jews' is necessarily muddied. See Dershowitz, “Many Jewish leaders, both religious and secular, have argued that Jews need enemies—that without anti-Semitism, Judaism cannot survive.”

      3. Yes, Israel's behavior has been going on for 60 years. Awareness of that behavior has evolved however. Unfortunately, or fortunately, for Israel, it has gone from a bit player in the Cold War, to a focal point of the indefensible US/European policies in the ME. That, and the myth of the plucky David facing off against the undifferentiated mass of the Arab Goliath, is dead. Its treatment of Gaza, in particular, killed it.

      4. I don't know how any objective person can conclude that there is a rise of 'New anti-Semitism' in Europe or elsewhere. Since you're so blasé about the flat, homogenous history of Israeli behavior, how is what is occurring in Europe now worse than Black September, the running gun and ideological battles going on between Israel and 'Arabs' in Europe in the 70s, for example? Moreover, those defining the 'New anti-Semitism' have ensured that anti-Israel activism and sentiment is indistinguishable from 'real' anti-Semitism, at least as far as it is recorded by those who record such things.

      5. Please, enough of the 'but' defenses of Salaita, Shipman, etc. If he shouldn't have been fired, he shouldn't have been fired. 'He shouldn't have been fired, but . . .', he was clumsy, obnoxious, has bad breath, and on, is dishonest. it's a non-defense, defense, with a justification of the firing built in.

    • saying she was certain he had no clue how her office and its work had been affected by what he’d done.

      I'd like to know what 'work' she's referring to. And Shipman's responsible somehow for frothing idiots erroneously haranguing the Hindu Life Advisor? Poor things. Presumably they're advocates of the teachings of Jesus and Gandhi, yet they fold like cheap beach chairs at the slightest discomfort. My gosh, what would Christ do if his 401k was threatened? Why, he'd fire one of his disciples.

  • Five lessons from the struggle to reinstate Steven Salaita at the University of Illinois
    • See UNCRC Report of 2013, which found that Israeli military and police engage in ill-treatment and torture of Palestinian children during arrest, transfer and interrogation, to include hooding of neck and face, threats of physical violence, death and sexual assault against arrestee and family members, placement in solitary confinement, up to months in duration, etc.

      link to www2.ohchr.org

    • five lessons about the 'professor':

      1. his use of ex post facto rationalizations for Salaita's firing is instructive. although Salaita was properly, thoroughly vetted and approved as a candidate by late 2013, including by Wise, the 'professor' attempts to smear Salaita retrospectively. red herring.
      2. his use of Martin Kramer ( Martin Effing Kramer) as an objective source of analysis is also instructive, professor Kramer of the 'let them eat 1000 calories a day' school of engagement with Gaza.
      3. his reflexive resort to the anti-Semitism card. thus, reference to sexual abuse of gentiles by jews is incontrovertible evidence of anti-Semitism. this despite the fact that there is a documented history of the Israeli security services sexually assaulting or threatening the sexual assault of persons in their custody, to include juveniles.
      4. his ignorance of or minimization of provocations. 'we' were just treated to the history of a jewish ivy league grad who posted anti-Semitic and otherwise incendiary commentary at Common Dreams, and other less savory sites, using multiple identities, all in service of the 'new anti-Semitism' meme.
      5. the conflation of Israel and 'the Jews', and the inclusion of such logic into analysis of current trends of anti-Semitism, renders useless the statistics compiled on anti-Semitism.

    • In “Israel’s Dead Soul” (his book in 2011) in the chapter on the Anti-Defamation League, Salaita wrote that “It is worth noting that numerous cases of antisemitic valdalism in 2007 and 2008 were found to actually have been committed by Jews” (p. 45). A very serious accusation, no? (and he’s not talking about israelis, or the israeli govt–he’s talking about JEWS.) There were about 630 cases of antisemitism reported in 2007 and 2008. Salaita cites a total of four. First of all–is that “numerous”?

      is he really, is he really talking about JEWS? (cap lock). and is it you, or Salaita, that conflates 'cases of anti-Semitism in 2007 and 2008' with 'cases of anti-Semitic vandalism in 2007 and 2008'?

  • Freed by Gaza, Spiegelman calls Israel out as a batterer
    • So what do Cohen and Chomsky have to say about this, then? it seems that the exploitation of the murders is more complex than they describe it.

      A veteran Hamas official has said that the Islamist group was behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank – an incident that was a major trigger for the current brutal war in Gaza.

      Saleh al-Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas's military wing, made his comments at a conference in Istanbul, where he lives in exile. A tape of his comments was posted online by conference organisers.

      "There was much speculation about this operation; some said it was a conspiracy," al-Arouri said at a meeting of the International Union of Islamic Scholars on Wednesday.

      "The popular will was exercised throughout our occupied land, and culminated in the heroic operation by [Hamas's armed wing] the Qassam Brigades in imprisoning the three settlers in Hebron."

  • Guess who's invited to Open Hillel's first conference? Students for Justice in Palestine
  • 'The Hill' is to the left of the 'New York Review of Books'
    • It is terribly biased, as is the New Yorker, on matters of foreign policy. I forget who it was (remnick maybe) who birthed a real turd of an article recently on 'Putin's' Russia. Just horrible stuff. Although the NYRB article does contain some good analysis, or more accurately some 'good' facts, each argument is framed in terms that put Israel's interests at the fore. I have completely lost interest in Israel's perceived needs, psychological, military/security. It is such a dishonest actor, the only thing that will cause it to negotiate equitably is the real threat of complete isolation or an impending catastrophe of biblical proportions. Even significant blunders, like 'Cast Lead' or the latest atrocity, or 2006, don't seem to make a dent in its perception of itself, at least at the top. Israel's military advantage in the region is now completely based on its access to US hardware and intelligence gathering, and it's alliances with the most brittle, authoritarian regimes.

  • Photo of six shoveling secretaries needs a caption
  • Joan Rivers's Palestinian finale
    • pay no attention, rabbi. it's just jealousy. please, if you could explain what Joan has meant to you, I would appreciate it.

  • Salaita firing turns into a 'catastrophe' for University of Illinois
    • I don’t think he has a winnable case.

      according to several legal experts I have read, you're all wet. Professor Leiter, of the U of Chicago Law School, believes that Salaita does have a case. I don't you know from Adam, but i'll assume that Leiter is more knowledgeable on such matters than you.

      link to law.uchicago.edu

      as for the funding of his legal team, Salaita is gaining more and more support, including from a group of University of Illinois academics who are pressing for the unionization of UI faculty. you make it sound as if he's stuck on an island, frayed pant legs blowing in the wind, shaking his children's piggy banks to gauge his available resources for a fight. he has many interested persons who will assist him financially because his case is effectively their case, not to mention the lawyers who, for publicity's sake or otherwise, will agree to assist him. this is not Salaita v. Wise. this is academics v. administrators.

    • neoliberalism is what it is. I sat through the graduation speeches delivered by faculty and students at my son's high school graduation last year. all eloquent, grammatically sound, engaging speakers, not one of whom had a message that even mildly deviated from the established, dominant ideology.

    • don't you ever tire of pontificating on subjects you’re not intellectually equipped to analyze?

      1. Wise's public rationale and the email correspondence and other evidence are logically irreconcilable. Your reliance on her bald statement, her 'repudiation' of the fact that her decision-making process consisted of at least one parallel private track of donors' concerns is testament to your dishonesty and simple-mindedness.
      2. So you've done a statistical analysis of the correspondence sent to Wise concerning 'the Salaita issue'? No? In any event, the raw numbers are irrelevant. The question is which communications, if any, influenced Wise's decision. I'd say it's reasonable to assume, absent proof to the contrary, that the 'concerns' of the donor of hundreds of thousands of dollars, the 'venture philanthropist' (there's an oxymoron wrapped up there somewhere) received more considered attention than the letters of an undergraduate student, for example.
      3. I see. So the revocation of an offer to hire a tenured professor at a public American university because of his 'tone' while exercising his 1st amendment rights is less of a threat to academic freedom than a boycott of academics from a foreign nation?
      4. Politics and freedom are mutually exclusive concerns? What a dolt. But if you mean 'politics' as the black art of back room deals and the perversion of established protocol and policy through financial blackmail, yes, Salaita's firing was 'political'.
      5. Here we go again. The condescending, hectoring tone, explaining to us mere mortals how pathetic and ineffectual our efforts are. So what are the odds that Salaita a. gets his job back; b. receives significant financial compensation; c. none of the above? At which point, assuming it's a. or b., millions will know about the defeat of scum bags of the likes of Wise and Miller.

  • British pol is beaten by man in Israeli army t-shirt, and the chattering classes are silent
  • Alvin Rosenfeld's Holocaust complaint
    • I posted a reference a day or so ago, bilal. the jerk is being held without bail.

    • Sounds like the '10th man doctrine' from World War Z, just. A quote, not from the movie.

      The devil’s advocate office ensures that AMAN’s intelligence assessments are creative and do not fall prey to group think. The office regularly criticizes products coming from the analysis and production divisions, and writes opinion papers that counter these departments’ assessments. The staff in the devil’s advocate office is made up of extremely experienced and talented officers who are known to have a creative, “outside the box” way of thinking. Perhaps as important, they are highly regarded by the analysts. As such, strong consideration is given to their conclusions and their memos go directly to the office of the Director of Military Intelligence, as well as to all major decision makers. The devil’s advocate office also proactively combats group think and conventional wisdom by writing papers that examine the possibility of a radical and negative change occurring within the security environment. This is done even when the defense establishment does not think that such a development is likely, precisely to explore alternative assumptions and worst-case scenarios.

  • I see five bears
    • 'Unlike Weiss'

      No, approaching a mamma bear with cubs is contraindicated, as they say in the medical profession.

    • You got it, just.

    • My son and I saw a poor lone deer loping across the interstate when we were coming back from the city. Just waiting for it to get creamed, as it caught it in the hind quarters, parts spinning off on impact. One of those nasty events that seem to unfold in minutes when no more than a few seconds pass.

    • We got black bears aplenty in my neck of the woods, but i haven't caught a glimpse personally. Coyotes, fox, fisher cats, and herds of wild turkey galloping through our yard causing the dog great distress. (Nothing like the howling of a pack of coyotes at night. Sounds like bloody murder. Take a listen on youtube.)

  • Judaism's hijacking by Zionists drives 70% of secular Jews to marry non-Jews-- Koppman at Huffpo
    • I just read the whole article, and I read no condemnation or denunciation either. Intermarriage as a symptom of the faulty moral compass, thrown off by Zionism, that's the message. Not that he can be criticized for his idealism.

    • laid claim?

      Just like planting a flag on the moon. A satellite without a people for a people without a satellite.

  • Beinart urges young Jews to get arrested in the West Bank for the sake of Zionism. Will they?
    • @WJ

      I like his writing. (Weiss not Beinart). But he's much too kind to Beinart. And frankly, given the fecklessness and irrelevance of the skim milk liberal Zionist movement, I find myself wondering why I invested the time in another Beinart post. Has he rid himself of his 'Jewish and democratic' verbal tic yet? I don't think I've heard him interviewed once where he wasn't shaking that oxymoron on the conversation like salt on fries. Beinart was a minor figure in the reform Israel movement. Aufwiedersehen, I say.

    • beinart is silly. I really have no idea what he thinks he's up to. liberal American jews need to get arrested in the W. Bank to understand the injustice of rubber bullets, point blank gas canisters to the face, and extrajudicial detentions? that doesn't sound like a group with a whole lot of intellectual promise.

  • Elizabeth Warren says killing Palestinian civilians is 'the last thing Israel wants'
  • Chancellor Wise, why not accept the scholarly inquiry of your colleagues over the politicized judgment of Salaita's critics?
    • Jeff, I find your analysis intimidating and threatening, not to mention silly, erroneous and disingenuous. please confine your commentary here to true/false responses, the standard you've proposed be imposed on civil discourse, otherwise I will have to ask that you banned from this site.

  • Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade
    • yup. and as Annie's comment implies, you have this bizarre hybrid of friendly fire deaths, which I would normally define as 'accidental'. the Hannibal Lector directive, or whatever they call it, is more like a human sacrifice.

    • There were 4 IDFers killed by 'friendly fire' in cast lead. don't know what the numbers are this time around, but it's probably safe to assume such casualties happened, whether reported as such or not.

  • Gaza goyim jailbreak
    • That a gentile is incapable of comprehending the holocaust, or the significance of Israel to Jews is a pretty hollow argument. it completely ignores, and in fact erases, the history of most Central Europeans, by way of example, who have led a dangerous, tenuous existence for centuries, as one faction, ethnic, national, whatever, steamrolls over the other, gobbling up nations, a problem that continues in the Balkans, Ukraine, etc. (Cambodians can't understand the murderous consequences of modern warfare and genocide'?) The argument also presumes that Jews are incapable of describing their histories or expressing their interests. does anyone who regularly reads on the topic really believe that they don't understand Israeli policies and the various rationales for those policies?

    • It is often used here in the context of those g.d. jews and their chosen people exceptionalism and i’m not allowed to call them kike, but they are allowed to call me goy and this only shows how much they control the conversation.

      sigh. yeah, that's it. racism envy. i''ll make it simple. the use of these words should be avoided except as part of an etymological or ideological analysis. I don't feel comfortable with the intraracial use of 'n*gger', 'y*ddo', etc., but that's my problem. whites should not use 'n*gger, 'shine', etc.' to describe any black people; gentiles should not use 'y*ddo', 'k*ke', etc. to describe any jew; jews should not use 'goy', 'shiksa', etc. to describe gentiles. racism is about establishing hierarchies of power, which is inherent in the interracial use of the terms.

      sorry, fredman. we're not all dying to scream 'k*ke', as unsettling as that may be to your personal psychology.

    • denis, you may not know us personally, but there are many here that find it offensive. if you read the remarks of stone age rabbis casually equating non-jews with cattle and the like, you'll get to the kernel of the problem. if Weiss could describe the context in which he'd feel comfortable with a back slap and being handed a bottle of beer to the tune of 'how about a beer y*ddo?' from one of his non-Jewish friends, I'm all ears.

    • oh, I can well imagine the just-so setting for embracing the ironically warm and fuzzy tonal qualities of 'my brother-in-law the y*d', or 'my girlfriend the k*ke.' yup. it's a just matter of context.

  • Our new look
    • @adam, speaking for myself, I love the site, in the full sense of the word. it's only one of three I visit everyday, even squinting at my iPhone while on vacation. but 'we' love to kvetch too. take it as a sign of the depth of our individual investment in your enterprise.

    • annie, please. no one is questioning your personal passion, commitment and the indispensable contributions you make to this site and the cause more generally. as far as I'm concerned, your writing here has become as lucid and informed as anything I read on the subject anywhere. but the 'site's' collective mind has changed its policy regarding comments. that's a fact. at the risk of re-regurgitating what's already been said 1000X, the loss of the 'last 100 comments' and the edit function, as well as the 'use by date' for comments are all irrefutable evidence of that. what's the underlying rationale for this change? I don't know. however even before the new look site, editorial treatment of comments was uneven at best. two simultaneously time-stamped comments of the same length were often published hours or even days apart. whether this was the result of a lack of resources or intentional or something else, again I don't know, but regardless the result discouraged commentary.

    • Keith, I share your hysteria, but some of what you write is wrong. you can copy and paste. the highlight is just a weak, urine yellow, so you don't have the sensation it's doing what it does.

    • "Still it reduces my desire to participate."

      mine too. I visit a few news compilation sites of sorts, with no real comment contribution, and that's what I intuit from the evolution of this site, a salami tactic of pushing the cranks aside. or maybe it's just my paranoia. I would be interested in hearing from anyone with contacts in more conventional media, to get their impressions of what the online editors of this or that print mag think the value of the comments section is. or is not.

    • the home page button is the blue Mondoweiss header on the top left.

    • Comment on fonts, etc. the light grey print and italicized print for long quotes are stylish but hard on middle-aged eyes. End of whine.

    • I noticed that too, Keith, as well as many recent posts where the 'reply' button just disappears.

  • Salaita's hire set off fundraising alarm at U of Illinois, per emails to chancellor
    • Elliot,

      There is also evidence that the university was discussing, prior to Wise's decision, the possible legal ramifications of it. The university, in explaining some of the redacted documents, invoked an exemption under Illinois law for “communications between a public body and an attorney or auditor representing the public body that would not be subject to discovery in litigation, and materials prepared or compiled by or for a public body in anticipation of a criminal, civil or administrative proceeding upon the request of an attorney advising the public body, and materials prepared or compiled with respect to internal audits of public bodies.”

      I don't see how the edited emails that were released would fall under this exemption.

    • and I thought it was just a generational thing, youngsters blind to the permanent trail that their virtual life leaves behind. I guess it's middle-aged edumakaters too.

    • indeed. if I read the 'inside higher ed' article correctly, it appears that the university has already violated state law when editing documents provided upon records request from that publication. let's see if copies of any communications turn up later that weren't quite flushed down the memory hole properly.

  • As Salaita's case becomes a cause, U of Illinois issues declarations on 'civility'
    • They should be answering true/false type questions, not examining moral positions.

      I don't think that I've ever read a more rigid, nonsensical definition of what academics 'should' be doing. Thank god I had professors with more profound interests. One of the most thought provoking courses I took as an undergraduate was on the history of trade unions in New England. My professor was a die hard lefty, who never hid his passion. And yet his bias (it's stupid to pretend professors and the institutions they work in don't have biases. See the commentary of one Hincker below) didn't retard debate or learning. In fact I'd say it was a catalyst for deeper inquiry. Maybe students have changed and become fragile, thin-skinned babies as exemplified by whining zionists of the 'that SAT question hurt my feelings' variety. I hope not. If so, we're truly screwed.

  • Gaza Night: A series of Horror
    • Ahmad, from Khuza’a, near the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis, was just 16 years old when he was taken from his family on July 23. He was forced at gunpoint to search for tunnels for five days, during which time he was interrogated, verbally and physically abused, and deprived of food and sleep. Ahmad told DCI-Palestine in a sworn testimony that Israeli soldiers attempted both to extract information from him regarding Hamas members, and recruit him as an informant, before releasing him on July 27.

      Yup, citizen. Zionist morality.

    • Beautiful.
      Protective Edge is mass torture. Just like enhanced interrogation, the victim cannot rest, collect his/her thoughts, until terror saturates every corner, even sleep.

  • State Dep't says it's 'not OK' that Israel detained another American teenager without informing us
    • The 'mob' is an imperfect analogy. Members of the mob go to jail from time to time. Here is another example of what the über mob is up to:

      El embajador de Venezuela en Egipto, Juan Antonio Hernández, denunció en declaraciones a la cadena multiestatal Telesur y a la agencia Efe un posible ataque israelí a la misión humanitaria que su delegación entregó a la sede de la Media Luna Roja en Gaza procedente de Egipto.

      Hernández comentó a Telesur que la misión fue atacada por un avión F-16 que arrojó una bomba a unos 60 metros del puesto fronterizo donde se entregó la carga, citaba DPA.

      "Cayó a unos 50 o 70 metros", declaró desde el puesto fronterizo de Rameh, entre Egipto y Palestina. El diplomático señaló sin embargo que el proyectil no estalló y la carga pudo ser entregada.

      "Cuando llegamos, el director de la oficina nos informó de que un poco antes había caído un misil en el edificio anexo, y que, por sus características, parecía ser israelí", dijo Hernández, acotó Efe.

      El embajador dijo que le comunicaron que el ataque también incluyó fuego procedente de aviones no tripulados.

      An Israeli fighter drops a warning bomb near a Venezuelan aid convoy. Looks like the goons are trying intimidate/punish the Venezuelians for having the temerity to criticize Israel and provide humanitarian assistance to gaza.

  • 15 airplanes to fly over NY and NJ beaches with Israeli flags and We Love Israel banner
    • careful citizen. throwing rocks at planes flying over NJ may be construed as an existential threat to the State of Israel.

  • Reading Salaita in Illinois—by Way of Cary Nelson (part 1)
    • Hold on there. So you're suggesting that Salaita harbored ill feelings towards the settlers? It can't be. I mean, what'd they ever do to anyone?

    • 3 weeks. Really? Anything happen in Gaza or the West Bank before protective edge? No. Nothing comes to mind?

    • News flash: David Gregory has just 'gone missing'. Someone else takes his place. No word yet if Steven Salaita will be re-fired from his post at UIUC for experiencing brief, intense feelings of satisfaction at news of Gregory's departure.

    • hopefully part of his new job is collecting checks from his legal settlement with the University of Illinois and Cary Nelson.

    • 'otioise'

      why don't tuck that in, buddy? you got an extra vowel dangling there. think of the children.

    • Furthermore, Abbas has previously declared that he intended for there to be no Israelis (i.e. Jews) in the West Bank following a peace settlement:

      which is evidence of what? according to international law, they're not supposed to be there.

    • so says the lawyer. as you admit that you're unqualified to be a 'judge', why comment at all? Salaita's tweet, the motivation of which is only known to him, refers to persons illegally on another's land, the comment being issued in the midst of a slaughter committed by the occupiers. if Palestinians invaded my home town, arrested my children, groped my wife at military checkpoints, demolished my home, tore up my tomato patch, confiscated my well, I'd probably hope that they 'go missing' too.

    • Why would anyone take Nelson's statements at face value? There is no question that he willfully or with gross negligence cherry-picked tweets, blithely ignoring context, and has issued contradictory comments regarding the basis for his objections to Salaita's appointment. As for your 'imagination', there is no evidence to support your contention that critics of Salaita's appointment were thorough or objective.

  • Goldstone sequel to be co-authored by Amal Alamuddin, Clooney's fiancee
    • LJ, part of the Hollywood myth, and a source of its liberal support, is that it has an interest in and is part of the 'arts'. so we get all this nonsense about the funding of 'independent' and 'art house' projects, because those are the types of works that Hollywood really wants to produce, it's just that us cretins have no interest in 'art'. we're too busy masturbating to gore. (see almodovar's 'matador' for that scene, later stolen by lynch.) every Hollywood writer and producer has scripts for the next 'Macbeth' or 'Death of a Salesman' molding in their desk drawer, so they suggest, it's just that nobody would pay to watch those productions. but Hollywood is really run by scores of grasping, money hungry, talentless assholes, and assholes produce shit, and shit is an acquired taste. very few people would have an inherent interest in sitting through 'Transformers', so they have to be trained for it, the nausea-inducing editing, the nonsense narrative, etc. a 1950s-era movie goer would go running from the theatre after about 15 minutes of shite like that. (see below recent studies on the importance of exposure versus creativity or personal tastes re: 'hits') if 'artists' are dispatched from Hollywood, all that would be left is one big toilet and the flushing sound each time a new hit is released. and we can't have that.

      Research suggests that repeated exposure is a much more surefire way of getting the general public to like a song than writing one that suits their taste. Based on an fMRI study in 2011, we now know that the emotional centers of the brain — including the reward centers — are more active when people hear songs they've been played before. In fact, those brain areas are more active even than when people hear unfamiliar songs that are far better fits with their musical taste.

      This happens more often than you might think. After a couple dozen unintentional listens, many of us may find ourselves changing our initial opinions about a song — eventually admitting that, really, Katy Perry's "Dark Horse" isn't as awful as it sounds. PBS' Idea Channel's Mike Rugnetta explains, it's akin to a musical "Stockholm syndrome," a term used originally by criminologist Nils Bejerot to describe a phenomenon in which victims of kidnapping may begin to sympathize with their captors over time.

    • Poor Amal will feel the wrath of the zionists, and George Clooney may never get a good role in Hollywood again.

      kay, this is good news. the Zionists hasten their demise the more they sh*t on members of the elite. And a forced exodus of Clooney, Bardem, Cruz and others from Hollywood really would be something of a promotion, even with the pay cut.

  • Jodi Rudoren and Abe Foxman mull over 'the Arabs' owning New York hotel
    • They are “very nice Arab guys who do a good job with the cleaning” (laundry). Ugh!

      funny/sad stuff. that's my thought too though, every time someone argues that the Zionists' plan is to make Israel Muslim-free: but who'd clean the toilets? maybe the rudorens.

  • Even Wieseltier is upset by 'indifference in Jewish world' to Gaza slaughter and wholehearted Israeli support for it
    • not to see the mass killing was deliberate.

      agreed. I frankly don't give a fig about the years-long psychological foreplay they seem to think they are entitled to, to bring these half wits to full consciousness.

      There’s been case after case in which Israel has used the wrong weaponry or has shot at people with many civilians around. And these, in our view, are war crimes.

      they deliberately shoot women waiving white flags and shred children kicking balls on the beach. jeezus, what bullshit.

  • Steven Salaita-- unremitting in criticism of Zionism and Gaza slaughter-- loses a job at University of Illinois
    • the University certainly had the right not to hire him, for any reason, or no reason at all.

      I'd be surprised if that were the case. I presume that the university has a written hiring policy, as do all large institutions, public and private, and presume that the policy does not grant the chancellor unfettered, personal authority to make hiring decisions without some set of criteria to consider, criteria that were apparently considered when first reviewing his application favorably.

      This certainly is not a First Amendment issue, there was no governmental action involved.

      are you sure about that? I thought that U Illinois is a public university.

      Maybe he can get another teaching gig at Gaza U or Jihad University or something..

      yeah. ha ha. ha. maybe you could get a job writing material for Pamela Geller or Caroline Glick.

    • @tree

      Nelson acknowledged, however, that he has been closely monitoring Salaita’s Twitter account for months. “There are scores of tweets. I have screen captures,” he said. “The total effect seems to me to cross a line.”

      So Nelson, a member of the English department, is monitoring scores of 'tweets' over the span of months published by a prospective member of the American Indian studies program, the total effect of which is that Nelson has reached the conclusion that Salaita's tone 'crossed a line.' Does Nelson have a tone meter, or some algorithm used to quantify tone, or maybe he's measured the bumps on Salaita's head? When and how did Nelson determine that Salaita's tone had crossed the line from sarcastic to malicious to hostile (and on through other scientific classifications of tone)? When did the tone needle on the tone meter hit red? There's an objective reason that Americans are suspicious of 'academics'. It's not just the anti-intellectual thread that runs through our ideology, although there is some of that. It's the condescension, the hypocrisy, the intellectual dishonesty of intellectuals. Nelson's career deserves to be toilet-papered and egged, like cranky neighbors' homes on Halloween.

    • that's called projection, troll. the dishonest accusing others of dishonesty.

      As Nelson made clear, it is not Salaita’s views that are the problem.

      Nelson didn’t ‘clarify’ anything. There is nothing in his posted commentary that indicates he personally petitioned the chancellor to block the hire, or what he said if he did, or that the chancellor or any other person involved reported to him in detail the basis for the chancellor’s decision. In fact, his commentary is purely speculative. (“I doubt if the search committee felt equipped . . .”)

      It is his nasty social media persona.

      Again, Nelson does not have any special insight into the basis for the decision, at least as appears from his commentary. Frankly if faculty hires are to be based on personality, the least the chancellor could do is have a personality test administered as part of the hiring process so there is a veneer of objectivity when sorting the good from the bad.

      The academy is full of tenured pro-Palestinian professors who have no trouble expressing pro-Palestinian viewpoints and getting tenure; in fact, there are far more of them than there are tenured pro-Israel faculty in academia.

      Another bald statement from the king of bald with absolutely no supporting data, if such data even exists.

      Salaita’s problem is the same as Norman Finkelstein’s. He’s regularly nasty to others in public, and universities do not just give jobs to people who are uncollegial and uncivil.

      Again, I was completely unaware and see no evidence that such qualities are important considerations in college hiring practices, or when considering granting tenure. Contrary to your implied horseshit explanation, Dershowitz, for example, advocated against offering tenure to Finkelstein on account of Finkelstein’s alleged misquotation and mischaracterization of Dershowitz’s own scholarship (not his bad manners). The department vote for tenure included the following reference: "while not all members of the department share a love of polemic and inflammatory rhetoric as practiced by Norman and his adversaries, there is clearly a substantial and serious record of scholarly production and achievement." So, surprise, Finkelstein’s academic achievement was considered more significant than his prickly personality.

      But Rashid Khalidi, Joel Beinin, David Palumbo-Liu, Charles Smith, Mark LeVine, Joshua Schreier, and Corey Robin himself, just to name a very few . . .

      Yes, just to name a very few. More accurately, just to name 7 of the thousands of tenured college professors in the US.

      So the notion that it’s Salaita’s views that are the problems, rather than his incivility and nastiness, is nonsense.

      Right. Except that even Nelson has objected to the application of that standard in the past. If you had read the full linked article, you would have seen that he wrote that “claims about collegiality are being used to stifle campus debate, to punish faculty, and to silence the free exchange of opinion by the imposition of corporate-style conformity.” And, again, you don’t know the chancellor’s rationale for denying the board the opportunity to vote on the hiring of Salaita, you’ve just invented one that suits your agenda and blather on as if it’s fact.

      If anything, the situation is exactly the opposite; left-wing, pro-Palestinian departments collude to keep pro-Israel personnel from being hired;

      Perhaps one example of pro-Palestinian collusion that resulted in the denial of the hiring of pro-Israel personnel? No? not one link?

  • Moshe Feiglin's vision of liberating Gaza by driving Palestinians into the Sinai --Updated
    • "the government which now has usurped 44% of Gaza territory."

      haven't they fully withdrawn, or did they leave a military presence in the buffer zone in Gaza they were carping on about? (haven't been following the news closely the past few weeks.)

    • Feiglin is the future of Israel, deeply disappointed with Netanyahu's equivocation and restraint. (Presumably some will look back on Netanyahu as a serious, nuanced statesman, the way some Americans view GBush1 now. pretty sad commentary.)

  • What I said to the couple holding a banner with a swastika on it
    • kay, hophmi is the embodiment of a paraphrase. "if it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all." if he's not embarrassing himself, he's probably asleep.

  • Israel, your brand is tanking
    • yes, hopknee, it those damn internets. not the serial shredding of children with flechettes, not the calls for genocide, not the accidental-on-purpose bombings of schools and places of worship, not the spectators on their moveable couches with popcorn spectating the mayhem as if they were at a Saturday afternoon movie. it's not the internets radicalizing youth, it's the mere existence of some breathing space now between the truth and MSM propagandizing. per usual you have it cocked up 180 degrees from reality.

  • I'm waiting for Roger Cohen to say that Zionism is 'often' racism
    • We don’t judge Germany during that era on the basis of the beliefs and actions of the dissenters from Nazism. (And in fact quite a few Jewish organizatioins have held the German people collectively responsible for the deeds of that era.)

      wah? so you're advocating that we adopt the two-dimensional, cardboard history of collective guilt when it comes to Zionism and German fascism? when I hear people blathering on, conflating Nazis with Germans, I remind them of the thousands of Germans who took up arms and lost their lives, and their millions of supporters, fighting fledgling fascists. it took a good 15 years of beatings and murder and blackmail and duplicity for the Nazis to gain control.

  • Israeli deceptions revealed in story of ‘kidnapped’ soldier
    • this 'hannibal' procedure or directive or whatever they call it provides some important insight into the Israeli psyche. (supposedly the selection of the name 'hannibal' was arbitrary, but I find that unlikely.) it completely unmasks the fragility of Israeli Zionists, who take for granted the toughness of their character, as they confuse the willingness to use violence with strength and resilience. cheering on the mass slaughter of civilians, then suffering a national nervous breakdown in the event that an Israeli soldier is captured. they'd rather kill their own than have to face up to a negotiation in which their opponent has any leverage, or acknowledge the fighting prowess of the enemy. when they talk about the peace process being frozen in formaldehyde, what's really been retarded is their emotional and intellectual development.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20
    • I had the misfortune of watching Fox News earlier today while waiting for my lunch. nauseating stuff. the host and guest were approvingly quoting Bret Stephens of WSJ re: his doubt of the veracity of the Gaza casualty statistics. another example of hasbara refusal to acknowledge the destruction wrought. the Gazans are effectively invisible, incapable of being photographed or accounted for. bizarre, bizarre occultic behavior on the part of the deniers.

  • Video: If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you, says president of NY Board of Rabbis
    • The Rabbi says at min 6:20 ‘Israel is the most moral army in the history of civilization’ to roaring applause. Gee, I never heard that one.

      chu, these types are always pushing the superlative envelope. it's kind of a reverse vertigo: if they aren't balancing atop the pinnacle of 'the most/the best', they get all dizzy and disoriented.

    • they've never had to learn to form serious arguments.

      it is a half-baked, juvenile stew of contradictions, non sequitors, and mirror gazing. I used to give Zionists credit for being inventive, but that was a poor assessment. More like the friends I had as a youth with drug problems, saying whatever sh*t comes to mind at the moment to advance their cause. so, for example, Hamas is either a terrorist group holding Gaza hostage (when some half wit is making the 'we're bombing Gaza to save Gaza' argument) or its the elected representative of the people of Gaza, in which case they all deserve to be exterminated.

  • Amira Hass and the end of Jewish ethical history
    • even Weiss has apparently moved beyond his plea to put the collective Zionist body on the analyst's couch. they don't need sensitivity and enabling, but a bucket of cold water.

    • I don't know that I'd agree with that. my guess would be 1. that any hint of dissent in the ranks is dealt with much more quickly and harshly than before; and 2. that the publicity surrounding such dissent is managed more tightly. setting aside the morality of refusal, IDFers being 'murdered' in their sleep by Hamas fighters is probably causing dissension of the self-preservation variety. I'd be very surprised if there isn't more than a bit of friction amongst the ranks of the military. we just won't hear a lot about it right now with press censorship and self-censorship. as for the polls showing North Korean levels of support for this atrocity, they should be taken with a grain of salt. the frothing over the unproven murder of Israeli teens by Chamas will probably subside as the bodies of teenaged Israeli soldiers pile up.

  • As night follows the day, deaths of 10 Israeli soldiers lead to deaths of 30 Palestinian civilians
    • re: Netanyahu, that's my impression, too, david. which makes the immediate future seem even more bleak. this has completely crossed from the cold amorality of power politics to bible-infused psychopathology.

      PS you've got the fixin's for a good definition of the state in there, the state not being the collection of individuals elected to office, but all of the connections between them and others that is the decision-making process.

  • Survivors of massacre in Khuza'a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields
    • Grotesque. Provocation to undermine the coalition government, and this blood bath to shore up support for Netanyahu amongst the nutters. A f@cking abomination.

  • NY Times reports source of UNRWA school attack is unclear even though Israel said they did it
    • from today's ha'aretz:

      Ross Belfer, a 28-year-old public relations executive from New York, is considered by many in the international community to be a leading connoisseur of Tel Aviv nightlife. Last night, he reports, he attended a party with a live DJ at Kuli Alma, a new popular club in town, which was still packed when he left at 1:30.

      “To be frank, it’s difficult to go out and party after you hear that soldiers have died,” he says, “but on the other hand, people are looking for ways to escape the reality of the situation.”

      He did notice, he says, that last night for the first time, there were fewer people out and about in town. “That might be because there aren’t the usual number of tourists around this time of year. And that could explain why about 75 percent of the people at the club last night were Israelis, whereas usually it’s half Israeli and half internationals.”

      Because he has no family in Israel, Belfer says he is especially inclined these days to seek out the company of other internationals. “We find respite together,” he notes.

      Fruchter concurs. “Because many of us don’t have family here, we kind of feel lost and are trying to figure things out,” he says. “While going out and partying doesn’t quite feel like the right thing to do, on the flip side, it’s important for the economy that we get out, and it also gives people like us a sense of community.”

      Karp believes that Americans like her who have a wide network of Israeli connections cope better with the situation. “There’s very little fear among the Israelis, and I find their resilience almost inspiring,” she says.

      what a sacrifice to make for the 'economy'.

    • for f@cks sake. what a pair, Rudoren and Goldberg. does she sincerely believe that she is practicing journalism?

  • Hamas mimics Hezbollah tactics, and no one will have stability till blockade is lifted
    • “Unless you physically conquer all of the Gaza Strip, which takes longer than a week … until the last day there will be firing of rockets.”

      that's just delusional. the rocket fire would continue, and an internal occupation force will be fighting for its life.

  • Israeli forces shell UN school where displaced Palestinians gathered, killing at least 9
    • sumud, looks as if that tweet was spurious.

      link to lepoint.fr

      L'élu était injoignable mercredi dans la soirée, mais la première adjointe au maire de Montreuil-Juigné, Nathalie Lemaire, a, elle aussi, affirmé à l'AFP que M. Renaud "n'a jamais eu de compte Twitter". "Il ne va jamais sur Internet", a ajouté la première adjointe. Un examen des tweets du compte laisse planer le doute, alternant des échos du conseil municipal avec des propos outranciers et truffés de fautes d'orthographe. Selon Nathalie Lemaire, l'élu n'a pas d'ennemi connu. Mais l'usurpateur a même "continué à tweeter" sous le nom de Jacques Renaud pendant que ce dernier "était à la gendarmerie pour porter plainte". "Et il a continué à tenir des propos inadmissibles", a déploré Nathalie Lemaire, selon laquelle toute l'équipe municipale est "atterrée" et "solidaire de M. Renaud".

      no known enemies? so it was a friend who tweeted on Renaud's behalf?

    • I didn't see it, but French officialdom is as nauseating a collective of sycophants as there is. (this coming from a Francophile.) O Globo reported last evening that Brazil had recalled its ambassador from Tel Aviv for 'consultation' over the slaughter. there was some of the usual pablum about Israel having the right to defend itself, etc., but actions speak louder than words.

  • US Jews occupy Israeli army support office in NY in civil disobedience action
    • s/he means, traitors to their 'race', that wonderfully elastic scientific category, the definition of which expands and contracts based on political exigencies.

      tell us, parikari, what should be done with these traitors? what tribunal should they face?

  • Legitimacy crisis: Netanyahu acknowledges Israeli assault lacked legitimacy
    • yahoo is getting that pasty, weary, resigned look that Carter had after a few years of being undermined by his own party. Danon gone. PM Lieberman on the horizon. what a f@cking mess.

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
    • white men are witnesses.

      if the other comments here are correct that the kids were murdered a short distance from the foreign correspondents' hang out in Gaza, maybe 'white men' got the message from the IDF that they could be targets as well. the press narrative seems to have turned a bit on this latest atrocity. even the silly little news scroll on my search engine site has the headline 'Gaza Tragedy'.

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