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  • Orlando Fox affiliate calls neo-Nazis a 'civil rights group'
    • What percentage?

      why, dan, you didn't read westerny skies comment carefully, did you? a certain percentage of palestinian activists a. club baby seals b. secretly admire hitler c. possess child porn d. blah, blah, blah. how can you deny this to be true?

  • Mort Zuckerman pursued by terrorists for supporting Israel. Not
  • Jewish press concoct threat against 200 Jewish students in Florida university
    • Because you have a vested interest in the subject matter, you allege some kind of . . . snort, snort, snort.

      but thankfully you're here hopeee to play the objective foil to phan's loaded agenda. how would mondoweiss get to the bottom of anything without your balanced, clear-headed perspective?

  • Aloni and Zizek to appear this Sunday in NY stage version of 'What Does a Jew Want?'
    • No offense, but what is racist about Zizek?

      no offense taken. read the link about his not-so enlightened roma commentary for starters.

    • dan, zizek's entertaining, as long as you don't take his political ramblings seriously. a bit of a racist on that front. i do like his writings on religious topics, even as a (non-practicing) christian. see 'the puppet and the dwarf' for example. but, again, he can't take him all that seriously in other areas.

      see his wonderfully loony lacanian 'psychoanalysis' of toilet habits.

      'the toilets of france, germany and america form an excremental ideological triangle . . .' too much.

      link to

      and see this and others on his racism:

      link to

  • Israel bars Gunter Grass from entry under law barring former Nazis
    • yeah, nothing says anti-fascist better than vandals making anonymous threats to people to shut up.

  • CLM: Jeffrey Goldberg snits where he eats
    • these guys goldberg and shavit are “promising” an israel attack if US and iran don’t reach an agreement this summer.

      it might just be semantics, wondering, but 'these guys' don't have the authority to promise anything. they're delivering a message, like western union sends telegrams, and the message is if you don't do what master wants, something, like iran, or maybe more broadly SW asia, will get broken.

    • les, i just read nathan englander's short story collection, 'what we talk about when we talk about anne frank'. maybe goldberg could write a semi-non-fiction account of his career as a journalist entitled 'what i talk about when i can't stop talking about myself'. i'd read it. if the local public library kept a copy.

    • the cohen piece is interesting, annie. he refers to the 'goldberg variations', goldberg's evolutionary 'analysis' on the inevitability of an attack on iran as being 'serious', given golberg's access to obama and netanyahu. that's not quite the same as saying goldberg is to be taken seriously as a journalist, though. cohen seems perfectly capable of subtlety, while goldberg is not, and if i read between the lines, cohen's evaluation of goldberg is of a messanger rather than journalist or analyst.

      another interesting bit of cohen's piece is his (apparent) symbolic allusion to the threat of an american/israeli attack on iran. from cohen:

      You don’t spend long in Tehran without someone rolling up a sleeve, pointing to a horrific scar and saying “America.” The wound is from gassing during the Iran-Iraq conflict in which the West provided Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons. The generation of young officers who fought that 1980-88 war now runs Iran.

      rolling up a sleeve to reveal a scar, the evidence of an atrocity. what does that remind you of?

    • that is the money, annie. shavit does two things in his piece: 1. praises goldberg, 'the leading American journalist covering the Israel-Iran crisis' (if by 'leading' shavit means, leading us to war, i don't disagree with his assessment); 2. admits that he (shavit) is a ventriloquist for netanyahu's 'you better bomb iran, or we will bomb iran' campaign. so that's the two-pronged journalistic lesson cohen (of whom i'm no great fan, although he is closer to a journalist in the conventional sense than goldberg) should learn: gush over goldberg; regurgitate netanyahu.

  • Iran has 'promised' 'another Holocaust' -- CBS commentator
    • woody, i think that the inclusion of breadflogs, proud agent triple-zero 7, and a select few others serves a useful function. not that half of me doesn't reach the boiling point when i see such claptrap, but breadflogs is like a living museum piece, the 21st century equivalent of a 19th century racist.

      really, breadflogs, did you conduct the 'polish enthusiasm' poll yourself? i'd be interested to see the data that leads to your no doubt thoughtful conclusion about the relative bloodthirstiness of 'the poles'. were DNA samples tested? the anti-semite gene is apparently pretty prominent among poles and easily spotted under the microscope, what with the tiny blood-drenched knife clenched in its teeth.

    • not that it would make a dent, i suggest that you read 'bloodlands' by timothy snyder, breadflogs. your potted history of the multiple extermination projects going on in europe in 1930s-1945 is crap. as for the poles, polish government officials, administrators, the intellectual elite, doctors, lawyers, etc. were collectively the first group to be systematically murdered by the germans when they entered poland, not 'the jews' as a collective. similarly, contrary to goldfrauden's 'willing executioners' thesis (which i have a very clear memory of being ripped to shreds on CSPAN by experienced historians when it was first published) the nazis and their precursors spent decades murdering socialists, communists, trade unionists, etc. before coming to power, so it shouldn't come as surprise that an effective defense of persecuted minorities such as roma, homosexuals, jews, etc. couldn't be established in germany in the midst of a world war. but i know none of these facts can be used to promote the myth that the world simply turned its back on 'the jews'.

      do you spend a moment's thought about the tens of millions of others murdered during the war?

      UPDATE i see that lea has responded appropriately to breadflogs nonsense. on a personal note, my mother's family lived in the soviet sector of poland, and any and all of her male relatives of age were 'volunteered' into the red army. that might partially explain their personal failure to stop the genocide in poland.

    • at least stein is consistently wrong, he who soft peddled the economic crisis, pooh-poohed concern over the subprime market, and defended the randian nuttiness of greenspan. i heard this twit dismissing criticism of greenspan on some NPR program, insisting that greenspan ('he's just one man' or something like that) really had no influence on the US economy as chairman of the federal reserve. is that so? so what the f*ck do we have the fed for in the first place then, you friggin' sub-genius?

      and now this. ahmadinejad as the new hitler. how comforting it must be to stein and his ilk to have a new hitler at hand at any given moment, the iranian replacing hussein's TNR hitler mustache as the symbolic fuhrer. never mind that the US and Israel are training what amounts to, in a more accurate analogy, the MEK, an Iranian khmer rouge. for someone who knows what they're talking about when it comes to iran, see sy hersh's latest in the NYer.

      link to

      It was here [the Department of Energy’s Nevada National Security Site] that the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) conducted training, beginning in 2005, for members of the Mujahideen-e-Khalq, a dissident Iranian opposition group known in the West as the M.E.K. The M.E.K. had its beginnings as a Marxist-Islamist student-led group and, in the nineteen-seventies, it was linked to the assassination of six American citizens. It was initially part of the broad-based revolution that led to the 1979 overthrow of the Shah of Iran. But, within a few years, the group was waging a bloody internal war with the ruling clerics, and, in 1997, it was listed as a foreign terrorist organization by the State Department. In 2002, the M.E.K. earned some international credibility by publicly revealing—accurately—that Iran had begun enriching uranium at a secret underground location. Mohamed ElBaradei, who at the time was the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations’ nuclear monitoring agency, told me later that he had been informed that the information was supplied by the Mossad. The M.E.K.’s ties with Western intelligence deepened after the fall of the Iraqi regime in 2003, and JSOC began operating inside Iran in an effort to substantiate the Bush Administration’s fears that Iran was building the bomb at one or more secret underground locations. Funds were covertly passed to a number of dissident organizations, for intelligence collection and, ultimately, for anti-regime terrorist activities. Directly, or indirectly, the M.E.K. ended up with resources like arms and intelligence. Some American-supported covert operations continue in Iran today, according to past and present intelligence officials and military consultants.

      PS oops. hersh article already linked below. sorry for the redundancy.

  • 'Israel's policy endangers world peace' -- Jakob Augstein and Gideon Levy have Gunter Grass's back
    • if you read the comments from other european press on the subject, there is a pretty consistent criticism of the israeli decision, one of the themes being the apparent hypocrisy of israel barring an intellectual from travel when it is whining about BDS calls for boycotting israeli intellectuals who support/are supported by israeli apartheid policies. more generally, commenters are complaining about criticism of israel being the 'third rail' of analysis, any critic of israel necessarily being an anti-semite (in this case a full-fledged 'nazi'. interesting that one can never renounce membership in a political party, if grass was ever an enthusiastic 'nazi'.)

    • ich habe auch abgestimmt. 'richtig'.

  • Episcopalian twit (a review of JFK's former mistress's memoir)
    • ha ha, libra. spot on. we men are the weaker sex in some ways. women have to know how to excite/soothe the male ego, don't they? and since this thread is on the topic of the sordid, oh to be a fly on the wall of phil's psychotherapist.

    • 'we' love this stuff because it confirms our suspicions that the rich and famous are degenerates. frankly, i don't buy this memoir though. a catholic having oral sex. it just doesn't seem plausible.

  • 'I've been duped' -- America's travel guide Rick Steves says our media black out the brutal occupation
    • hurray for steves. i saw his iran episode, and it was well done. i was greatly disappoited with tony bourdain's lebanon episodes. his first tour in 2006 was interupted by israel's muderous temper tantrum, and when he returned later he adopted this condescending attitude towards any criticism of israel. what a jerk.

    • thanks for the laugh, agent triple-0 7. really biting criticism of steves. unfortunately for you, superficial, reflexive analysis seems to be your bag, not steves.

  • Grass smears in 'Times', plus new translation of his 'I've had it with the West's hypocrisy' poem
    • citizen:

      Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).


      so you do admit that ahmedinahitler said that he wants to kill all the jews while they sleep!

      wash, rinse, repeat.

  • Israeli army raids West Bank village, arrests minors and steals gold jewelry
    • no offense to animal lovers (i have a dog) but my vision of non-violent resistance does not include submitting yourself non-violently to a mauling by german/belgian shepherd.

  • U.S. school trip that doesn't go to Yad Vashem is anti-Semitic, Foxman suggests
  • Finkelstein 'not going to be an Israel-basher anymore' but remains 'appalled and disgusted'
    • salient point on gandhi. he didn't renounce violence unequivocally. as i understand his argument, the resort to violence may be the only option in some circumstances, but is necessarily an admission of the weakness of your position, e.g. the lack of broad popular support, ideological weakness of the movement, etc., which is why when the wittys of the world complain about the absence of a palestinian gandhi, they are esssentially whining on about a palestinian cartoon character who should willingly throws him/herself under the treads of an israeli bulldozer at every opportunity . that's clearly the sentiment; we zionists would love to see a self-immolation of sorts, and then we can complain about the geneticly programmed tendencies of arabs when a violent reaction occurs in response to the death of 'the palestinian gandhi'. (note to editors: i hope i didn't violate any copyright laws. i'm pretty sure that 'palestinian gandhi' must always be linked with the words 'where is' or 'why isn't there' punctuated with a pained question mark.)

  • With 'last ink,' Gunter Grass breaks silence on Israeli nuclear program threatening world peace
    • interesting. grass argued against german reunification over fear of resurgent german military might.

      from an amazon 'library journal' summary:

      For most of its history Germany was a loose confederation of small holdings and was a unified state for only 75 years. Because of united Germany's bellicose history, especially during this century, and of its "sin of Auschwitz," as he calls the Nazi experience, Grass fears the consequences of reuniting Germany. He assumes that this aggressive tendency will lead to adverse consequences for someone, if not the world.

      but of course, now he's a closet nazi because he had the temerity to suggest that israel as a nuclear power might be problematic.

    • The biggest danger to world peace are the progressives who write the history books, and who leave out the transgressions of one side, thus creating a total distortion of the story.

      fascinating, but what the hell are you talking about?

    • and for some historical context, what is more morally repugant: a teenager conscripted into his country's military (is there any evidence that grass was directly responsible for harming an enemy soldier, never mind an innocent?) or a member of the stern gang boobytrapping a crate of oranges?

      LEHI (the "Stern Gang") were pioneers in the use of terrorism, targeting Palestinian civilians "in a series of notorious bombings of Arab markets, cinemas, and coffee houses during 1937-38." Avram Stern (a self-identified fascist and admirer of Mussolini) and his followers later innovated the use of the car bomb when they found that trap bombs, suitcase bombs, booby-trapped orange crates, and other disguised explosives were not capable of causing sufficient mayhem. (The use of these devices by Palestinians, Lebanese, etc. is, of course, treated as evidence of their inherent savagery.) The ultimate aim of LEHI was to provoke a violent reaction from the Palestinians, radicalizing both populations and undermining any opportunity for a mixed, democratic society. Thus, in response to a Palestinian attack in 1948, David Ben-Gurion wrote: "I had never imagined such destruction. I didn't recognize the streets. Horror and hatred. But I couldn't forget that 'our' thugs and murderers had blazed this trail in Haifa, at the King David, the Goldshmidt House and elsewhere."

  • Leading sociologist says 'the enemy' includes 'disloyal' individualistic young Jews who push human rights
    • thanks annie. the psychology of the exploiters of the holocaust, and anne frank in particular, is some mindbending stuff. englander's title piece has four jewish friends, a reform couple and a ultra-orthodox couple, playing the 'anne frank' game (which i believe englander claims to be an invention of his family, but is a pretty common parlor game), the question to be answered being, which of your gentile friends would hide you in the event of another holocaust, and which would turn you in. you can see the potential for some black humor, but the underlying premise is pretty offensive, i.e. that every gentile, even/especially your friends are murderers in potentia. shalom auslander's 'hope: a tragedy', which i haven't read yet, has a cranky anne frank living in the attic of a jewish family in contemporary america. auslander sets out a less reverential relationship between jews and frank. from a UK Spectator review:

      As Hope: A Tragedy opens, Kugel, Bree, Jonah and his moribund old mother have moved to a converted farmhouse in Stockton — a town attractive precisely because nothing ever happened there. History has passed it by. It feels safe.

      But then their new home turns out to have a strange smell. A scratching noise can be heard through the vents. Rats? Or, worse, the serial arsonist who has been burning down farmhouses like this one all round the area? When Kugel climbs into the attic to investigate, he finds neither a nest of rats nor a clanking pipe, but an unsavoury old lady pecking away at a typewriter. He asks who she is, and she tells him she’s Anne Frank. Their first conversation ends badly. He announces he’s going to call the police and stomps off:

      Kugel stopped at the head of the attic stairs.
      And let me tell you something else, he said.
      She continued to type, paying him no attention.
      I don’t know who you are, he said, or how you got up here. But I’ll tell you what I do know: I know Anne Frank died in Auschwitz. And I know that she died along with many others, some of whom were my relatives. And I know that making light of that, by claiming to be Anne Frank, not only is not funny and abhorrent but it also insults the memory of millions of victims of Nazi brutality.
      The old woman stopped typing and turned to him, fixing that hideous yellow eye upon his.
      It was Bergen-Belsen, jackass, she said.
      Kugel continued to glare at her, even as he felt a flush of shame colour his face. He turned and began climbing down the stairs.
      And as for the relatives you lost in the Holocaust? she continued.
      Kugel stopped and looked at her, and when she did, she yanked up her right shirtsleeve, revealing the fading blue-black concentration camp numbers tattooed on the inside of her pale forearm.
      Blow me, said Anne Frank.

    • i'd go further, yours. a 'sociologist' with a personal agenda, particularly given what cohen is 'studying', isn't really a sociologist at all. his religious/ethnic/etc. identity completely undermines his professional identity.

    • bizarre, absolutely bizarre, this ideology. what is so infuriating about it is the condescension, the mixture of lies and narcissism. commenters here who promote this species of 'jewish' identity simultaneously promote the notion of uniqueness as superiority and then expect 'outsiders' to believe that they also support the ideals of a liberal democracy. this is utter crap of course. what they are promoting is a racial hierarchy, and one of the whips they crack to keep the troops in line is the threat of ostracism through accusations of disloyalty, which is just a variation on the pathological 'self-hating' meme. i'm catholic and my father was french, but i can't imagine that my reaction to the murder of french school children would have been any stronger if they were catholic kids rather than jewish. according to these jerks, this is somehow a defect of character. and what about this 'loyalty' to israel oath for non-israeli jews? and is there such a thing as a non-israeli jew in this framework? we have a rabbi ostensibly absolving jews of any sin if that sin ultimately benefits israel, and others claiming that all 'jews', as they define jewishness, are one with the tribe of israel, both as a nation state and collective people.

      i don't know if anyone here has read nathan englander's collection of short stories 'what we talk about when we talk about anne frank'. the writing is uneven at best, but englander does paint some interesting psychological portraits of his vision of jewishness, and the seeming contradictions of identity, although his standards for bona fide 'jewishness' are pretty clear. see this from a NYT review:

      As for “Free Fruit for Young Widows,” it recounts how a teenage survivor of the death camps, who’s seen his mother, his father, his sisters and grandparents all killed, returns home to find his childhood nurse, Fanushka, and her family occupying his parents’ house. After overhearing Fanushka’s plot to kill him (so as to keep custody of the house), he waits until everyone is asleep, then executes her entire family, including a 1 ½-year-old child (“because he did not know from mercy, and did not need to leave another of that family to grow to kill him at some future time”).

      the review in TNR is a bit more probing:

      This story is surpassed in sensationalism by “Free Fruit for Young Widows.” Englander’s battering ram is here deployed from the opening sentences. A platoon of Israeli soldiers in 1956 are having lunch at a remote site in the Sinai when one of them raises his gun and shoots four of the others in the head. To his horrified mates, he explains that these were actually Egyptian commandos wearing French-supplied uniforms like those of the Israelis. (We are not told how he detected their true identity.) As the narrative moves forward in time well beyond 1956, we learn that there are still greater horrors lying behind this one. The shooter, a man named Tendler, is a survivor of a concentration camp, and he saw his father, mother, three sisters, and grandparents killed in front of him. When he returns to his home after the war, he is warmly greeted by the Christian family that has moved into the house, but then he overhears them plotting to kill him in his sleep before he can reclaim his property. His response is to anticipate them early in the night by shooting every single member of the family. His final victim is an infant: “That last bullet Tendler left in the fat baby girl because he did not know from mercy, and did not need to leave another of that family to grow to kill him at some future time.”

      One might reasonably infer that Tendler’s grief has transformed him into a homicidal maniac, but the problem is that Englander’s treatment of the Holocaust, here and in other stories, like his treatment of anti-Semitism and even of sex, does not leave any firm ground for a moral or even a psychological perspective. A man who witnessed Tendler’s killing of the Egyptians tells Tendler’s whole story to his son, trying to explain why he has a kind of reverence for the Holocaust survivor. Of the son it is said that “it was on that day that Etgar Gezer became a philosopher” and decided that “Professor Tendler was both a murderer and, at the same time, a misken [poor guy].” Two assumptions here are equally objectionable, exemplifying Englander’s weakness of moral imagination. The first is the notion that the exposure to barbaric extremes puts one in touch with the dark profundity of existence, and so in itself makes one “a philosopher,” like Tendler, who holds a chair of philosophy at a university. (In this way Englander’s readers are invited to flatter themselves for reading his fiction.) The second assumption is that having it both ways is not an evasion but the expression of an encompassing view of grim realities. Tendler in the story underwent unspeakable suffering, but then he murdered a whole family, finishing with a baby girl. Does he really retain his status as a poor guy? Is it this combination of victim and killer that makes him a philosopher?

      Here Englander is normalizing the homicidal behavior of ‘the holocaust survivor’ (like he softens the rabid settlers in the title story, 'what we talk about . . .') , the pinnacle of jewish identity in the modern era. This is ‘shooting and crying’, on a serial level, no one being spared, not infants, not other jews. (Englander’s conceit that the murdered Israeli soldiers were actually ‘egytpian commandoes’ is a crude attempt at disguising contempt for the ‘enemy within’, i.e. ‘self-haters’ or those jews simply not loyal enough to the cause. what a collection of shite.

  • The 'Jewbags' photo
    • It reminds us of one reason that non-Jews want to marry Jews (marrying up is a great American tradition)

      ick. sorry i went back and clicked on the thread. really, phil, try to be a bit more objective, or else you might strain your pencil neck with this obsessive, incessant navel-gazing. there is no 'marrying up' in these circles, because the people who perform this cynical relationship calculus would never get caught 'marrying down'. each party to the transaction believes s/he is getting something of equal or greater value in return. and aside from the relatively few 'power couples' who do consider the social/political/financial consequences of a union, until proven otherwise i'll assume that most mixed marriages are the result of a slowly, haphazardly accumulated set of squishy emotional elements that aren't analyzed all that closely.

  • 'The Crisis of Zionism' and the contradictions of Israel as a liberal democratic fantasy
    • good call, kathleen. i heard (most of) the interview in the car on the way out of the city. yes, gross repeated the breathless canard about iran being on the verge of going nuclear. or nucular. what a painful interview. i stopped counting how many times beinart expressed his fervant desire for israel to remain 'a jewish and democratic' state, his primary concern being the public relations hit israel is taking on account of west bank settlers. not to worry though, gross brought on someone for balance in the last part of the segment. him, whose name escapes me, was particularly vexed over the lack of criticism of the palestinians' role in the failure of the peace talks.

  • My spirit is American (a religious manifesto)
    • you are just too much. wake up dumb ass; israel was created for the express purpose of protecting minorities from violence, and now, of irony of ironies, it uses the excuse of existential threat from the outside to conduct its police state tactics on the inside. so, really, assad is your excuse for the beating and indefinite extra-judicial detention of teenagers? and the degenerates that run saudi arabia are your excuse for fostering the violent impunity of the settlers? and iran is the excuse for your religious leaders sanctioning the rape and murder of children in your 'holy war'? israel is a potemkin village. 'star bucks', dance clubs and ecstasy aren't the foundation of a democracy.

  • Head of Bill Kristol's lobby group calls on Israeli army to use Palestinian protesters as 'target practice'
    • you know the answer, taxi. pollack is entitled to this after all that has been done to his people. i mean what's the fuss? israel is a great nation and, like all great nations, it has the right to flex its muscles. it's not like the israelis have killed millions. what's a few tens of thousands of civilians in the O/T and lebanon? it's not like they're real people. just ask rabbi what's-his-face.

    • Psychopaths.
      Can’t be cured.

      that's about right. anybody who cares about this issue shouldn't give a flying f*ck about these people. they should be an absolute irrelevancy to any conversation about the solution.

  • Video: the Gaza onslaught
    • annie, ms. clinton was on NPR the other day complaining of the lack of 'proportionality' in the armed exchanges between sudan and south sudan. how's this for selectivity:

      Sudan and South Sudan may be sliding back toward war, the United States and other international powers are warning, amid reports that Sudan is bombing its newly independent neighbor.

      The White House is "alarmed" by recent fighting in the region of Southern Kordofan, Sudan, it said in a statement Tuesday, urging both sides to "exert the greatest restraint."

      U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton laid most of the blame for the recent fighting on Sudan.

      On Tuesday, she called bombing runs and the use of heavy weaponry by the North "evidence of disproportionate force on the part of the government in Khartoum."

  • Wrong planet
    • yes, nice try, dimodok. the rabbi's answer can't be pulled from the context of the question he is responding to. an additional part of the problem of the rabbi's interpretation is the further interpretation of the current conflict. the 'war on terror', the 'clash of civilizations', or whatever euphemism is deployed, is characterized as a war without fixed goals, a war essentially without end. anti-semitism now includes anti-israelism, and anti-semitism can never be eradicated, its potential always exists, there will always be enemies of israel. (i think i read it being described as lying 'dormant", inferring there is some biological basis for anti-semitism.) in other words, according to the rabbi, these 'warriors' (and who amongst jewish israelis are not 'warriors', actual or potential) have no prohibitions on their conduct in perpetuity.

  • 'We must expel Arabs and take their place': Institute for Palestine Studies publishes 1937 Ben-Gurion letter advocating the expulsion of Palestinians
    • he got you cliff. i know you are, but what am i? you'll think twice before crossing swords with breadflogs again.

    • There is no “white man’s burden”. They have no intention to civilize natives.

      that's a fact. it has been part of the zionists' tool kit, to rationalize their planned land grabs, from herzl to ben-gurion and beyond. in his letter, ben-gurion states that the arabs are not 'qualified' to 'exploit' the land, but that the arabs, if they aren't too dense to realize it, will be able to benefit 'materially' and 'politically' from zionist exploitation of the land. that's essentially how herzl responded to jewish critics of his plan for settling eretz israel, that exposure to the 'arabs' would diminish the european settlers. on the contrary, herzl argued, arab exposure to the settlers would lift the arabs culturally, economically, etc. but how is that working out?

    • and how do these apologists interpret the term 'eretz israel' used by ben-gurion, the purported secularist? what did ben-gurion believe were the scriptural boundaries for his vision of the jewish state, the gift from god to israelis?

    • it's not just conquest built on the 'biblical' imperative, or the 'pressures of exile', though. it's the unalloyed racism of it all, the zionist variation on the 'white man's burden', the civilizing mission, the intellectual/emotional justification for robbing someone of their property. and if anyone knows the context, some insight on the disagreement between ben-gurion and his son would help. was the 'emotional' position taken by his son that ben-gurion alluded to, a less muscular, military solution to the arab problem? the irony of all this of course is that the ben-gurion plan to displace the arabs is being dreamt up at the same time the various purification projects are building in europe.

  • Sullivan unmasks Goldberg as a propagandist for Netanyahu's 'lies, bluffs and deceptions' aimed at getting us into war
    • damn, but you are blossoming into an excellent writer. time to march into phil's office and ask for a raise.

      on point, i have been ambivalent about the so-called cracks in the american-zionist armor, but this stuff makes me believe that i've been overly pessimistic. these are some caustic, penetrating, vituperative exchanges, the smell of rome and cat fur burning and all that. and the peretz/beinart dust-up, well, that's just beautiful. put a smile on my face.

  • Brandeis students disrupt town-hall meeting with Israeli Knesset members
    • you're missing my point: adam's exclusion may represent a bias of his (or not), however the inclusion of a labor party rep does not mitigate the objections of BSJP members to the event, or, more fundamentally, alter the intent of the planners and sponsors of the event.

    • My question is-who do you think your readers are, Adam?

      yes, and who exactly are you influencing with your commentary, since you've raised the issue? and i'm not sure what the inclusion, or adam's omission, of a labor party MK has to do with criticism of the event.

  • Bloomberg warns BDS will lead to 'massacres' as Park Slope Co-op holds initial vote on boycott tonight
    • It’s not biased to present their opinions anymore than it would be biased to write an article entitled, “BDS Proponents Begin Campaign at Park Slope Coop” citing only BDS supporters as sources.

      but the NYT would never publish an article about BDS particularly, or criticism of israel generally, without an opposing voice included. my quick google search of the topic turns up no NYT article titled anything like your hypothetical, or an article that excludes opinions opposed to the boycott. and i don't see how anyone could credibly argue that the NYT even makes a pretense about 'even-handedness' when it comes to reporting on I/P. that's not what its readership wants, apparently.

    • There is no doubt the New Orleans flood from the Katrina hurricane was God’s punishment for evicting the settlements,” said Druckman."

      well, this is disturbing news. i thought god sent katrina to punish the sodomites. so will the sodomites be punished at a later date?

  • The Toulouse killings and the false specter of European anti-Semitism
    • leander, when i lived in germany (90-92) the only incident of anti-semitism i personally witnessed was the comments of an elderly women assuring me (i was an american GI, she presumed) that the only germans protesting the first gulf war debacle were 'jews'. the younger generations seemed to bend over backwards to prove their anti-racist bona fides. i witnessed much more overt racism in what would become the former soviet bloc countries.

    • david, the community service trust (cst) performs a similar function in the UK and europe, with dodgy methodology in its polling used to reach similar conclusions about rising anti-semitism in europe, aided, needless to say, by the 'new anti-semitism', which incorporates criticism of the state of israel into its definition. the ADL and CST also have similarly creepy relationships with the security services.

      see this on the CST's role in cooking up charges of anti-semitism against raed salah in an effort to get him booted from the UK:

      Asa Winstanley
      The Electronic Intifada
      6 October 2011

      As Palestinian leader Sheikh Raed Salah’s appeal against deportation concluded in a Birmingham court this new details of the UK government’s deep links to the Israel lobby have emerged.

      This follows a separate High Court ruling in London on 30 September, when a judicial review into the government’s June imprisonment of Salah ruled he was entitled to damages for “wrongful detention.”

      While a panel of two immigration judges is expected to deliver a verdict within 10 days of the hearing, internal government emails obtained by The Electronic Intifada show Home Secretary Theresa May moved quickly to ban Salah not long after the pro-Israel group Community Security Trust (CST) sent a secret report on him. The report contained quotes ascribed to Salah with the word “Jews” inserted into his rhetorical attacks on Israeli occupation forces, in an attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite.

      In court on Monday, government barrister Neil Sheldon said, “There is no question of this being a doctored quote, or a cooked-up quote,” although he conceded that the words “Jews” did not appear in the original poem written by Salah. A Jerusalem Post report cited by the government against Salah “may well have got it wrong,” Sheldon stated (“Civil Liberties,” 20 June 2009). But Sheldon seemed to argue that this fact did not matter because that is how the poem was reported in a “respectable media outlet in Israel.”

      This and other similar misquotes were then used by May as a principle source for her banning order against Salah. Salah entered the UK legally on 23 June. Neither he nor his organizers were aware of the ban, because the government had not managed to serve it on him in time.

      Conservative Party funder on board of group that pushed for Salah to be banned

      The Electronic Intifada can reveal that Poju Zabludowicz, a billionaire real estate magnate who bankrolls the ruling Conservative Party (to which May belongs), is named as a CST board member in a report by an expert witnesses called by Salah’s lawyers. The emails obtained by The Electronic Intifada appear to show that CST played a key role in the banning of Salah.

      As well as personally funding UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s campaign for the Conservative Party leadership, Zabludowicz’s family used to own Israeli arms company Soltam (now part of Elbit). And he has owned a minority holding in British Israel, a company with several malls — including one in the illegal West Bank settlement Maaleh Adumim.

  • Hundreds of soccer fans crowd Jerusalem mall: 'Death to Arabs!'
    • None of those situations are comparable to the Israel-Palestine conflict you goon.

      cliff your willful blindness to the legitimacy of comparisons between I/P and the british antarctic territories is symptomatic of the new anti-semitism.

  • Zionism totalled
    • you got it right, annie. hence hophmi's resort to zionist talking point number _, everyone was/is doing it.

      from the article, another meir weighs in on the health of the nation:

      One of the most prominent eugenicists of the Mandatory period was Dr. Joseph Meir, a well-known doctor who acquired his education in Vienna, served for about 30 years as the head of the Kupat Holim Clalit health maintenance organization, and after whom the Meir Hospital in Kfar Sava is named. "From his position at the very heart of the Zionist medical establishment in the land of Israel in the mid-1930s, he brought young mothers the gospel of eugenics, warned them about degeneracy and transmitted the message to them about their obligation and responsibility for bearing only healthy children," says Stoler-Liss.

      Thus, for example, in 1934 Dr. Meir published the following text on the first page of "Mother and Child," a guide for parents that he edited for publication by Kupat Holim: "Who is entitled to give birth to children? The correct answer is sought by eugenics, the science of improving the race and preserving it from degeneration. This science is still young, but its positive results are already great and important - These cases [referring to marriages of people with hereditary disorders - T.T.] are not at all rare in all nations and in particular in the Hebrew nation that has lived a life of exile for 1,800 years. And now our nation has returned to be reborn, to a natural life in the land of the Patriarchs. Is it not our obligation to see to it that we have whole and healthy children in body and soul? For us, eugenics as a whole, and the prevention of the transmission of hereditary disorders in particular, even greater value than for all other nations! ... Doctors, people involved in sport and the national leaders must make broad propaganda for the idea: Do not have children if you are not certain that they will be healthy in body and soul!"

      but of course, meir changed his position after the horrors of nazi eugenics projects came to light. well, no.

      During the latter part of the 1930s, adds Stoler-Liss, when word came out about the horrors that eugenics in its extreme form is likely to cause, they stopped using this word, which was attributed to the Nazis. Overnight eugenics organizations and journals changed their names and tried to shake off any signs of this theory. Dr. Meir, however, during all the years he was active, continued to promote the ideas of eugenics. At the beginning of the 1950s he published an article in which he harshly criticized the reproduction prize of 100 lirot that David Ben-Gurion promised to every mother who gave birth to 10 children. "We have no interest in the 10th child or even in the seventh in poor families from the East ... In today's reality we should pray frequently for a second child in a family that is a part of the intelligentsia. The poor classes of the population must not be instructed to have many children, but rather restricted."

    • hopmi, this will be my last go round with you on this.

      1. the implementation of eugenic policies was/is not limited to the 'elimination' of the 'infirm' or any other category. there have been a variety of tactics used to maintain the health of 'the state', and immigration restrictions have been used to that purpose by a number of states. that is what was being attempted by meir, and you admit as much when continually referring to the economic burden of taking on the elderly and infirm at that point in israeli history.
      2. you're confusing the 'the law', in this case the 'right of return', and the implementation of 'the law'. there might be a law that prohibits such and such conduct, or mandates some affirmative conduct, but how the executive enforces that law, or in many cases, selectively enforces the law, is the rub. meir, as head of state, intended to restrict immigration, through back channel discussions with the poles, of 'undesireable' immigrants. yes, you're right, that restriction would violate the 'right of return', which doesn't mean she didn't intend to do so.
      3. you continually gloss over in your contradictory arguments the implication of meir's intent to restrict jewish immigration to israel, including of the elderly, many of whom were necessarily survivors of WWII, if not bona fide survivors of the camps.

    • Then pray tell, what was the point of the letter in the first place? If immigration was unrestricted, anyone could emigrate under the Law of Return.

      you need me to interpret the point of the letter? it's written in clear, concise language: meir didn't want to continue to 'accept[] sick and handicapped people.' and again you're gumming up the chronology, intentionally i'll presume. immigration in 1958 was unrestricted so far as the poles were concerned. there were no longer any restrictions on the basis of 'essential' professions, or any other basis. the only party suggesting restrictions at that time was meir.

      The Law of Return allowed anyone of any age to emigrate to Israel, including the many Holocaust survivors who today live in the country. How is any of this in any way consistent with eugenics?

      oy gevalt. regardless of what the 'law of return' provided for, meir was seeking a means of limiting the immigration of polish jews to israel who were 'sick' or 'handicapped', because the introduction of too many jews who were physically infirm would weaken the state of israel. that is precisely the argument of eugenicists.

    • I have no idea, Eva. You’d have to ask her. As the article says, it was a time when Israel was absorbing a huge amount of immigrants and was economically a fairly poor country.

      and then this:

      The context is clear. Poland was going to enforce a quota here. It seems logical to assume that in a relatively poor 12-year-old state with an agriculture-based economy that was full of security risks, Meir would favor able-bodied people. It’s also clear that if the Polish government had no quota, and everyone could leave, Israel would have accepted the infirm under the Law of Return.

      the law of internal contradictions, otherwise known as 'hopmi's auto-theorem". again, you're wrong. let me repeat this slowly: at the time of the letter . . . there . . . were . . . no . . . quotas. geddit? and maybe you could clarify this point for us/me: the 'Law of Return' applies to 'the infirm' only under certain hot house conditions? say, for example, when they wouldn't constitute a too much of a burden on the health of the state?

      This is another one of those instances where you hold Israel to a ridiculous standard.

      it is a riduculous standard to expect israel to care for jewish victims of the nazi genocide? i'm glad that's cleared up.

    • hopmee, unless you have information from another source you haven't linked, you're misrepresenting the story. at the time the letter was written, 'professional' restrictions on immigration had been lifted for over two years, the start of the 'gomulka aliya' as it is called. israeli calls for lifting the restrictions were the cause of the huge amounts of immigrants at the time. and there is nothing in the quoted portion of the meir letter that is incriminating vis-a-vis a selection process by the poles, i.e. intentionally sending the sick and infirm to israel. and if so, what of it, many of the 'infirm', it is inferred in the article, being holocaust survivors. isn't that the goal of eretz israel, to protect its people from the ravages of anti-semitism? the problem for zionists is that meir's analysis is consistent with earlier, purportedly discredited, eugenics projects. and, no, i'm not referring to the nazis. unfortunately that plan got off the ground long before the corporal with the moustache came to power.

  • On the passing of Novick: the political limitations of 'The Holocaust in American Life'
    • Zionists made sure Jews were only allowed to immigrate from Hitler’s Germany to Palestine.

      not true. zionists did influence immigration, but were not as influential as your assertion suggests.

      By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

  • NYPD: Snoops, spies and ... agent provocateurs?
    • a real scum bag move, ladidah. and remember what they did to brandon scofield.

      Mayfield was born in Coos Bay, Oregon and grew up in Halstead, Kansas. He served in the United States Army Reserve from 1985 to 1989, and then as an officer in the Army in Bitburg, Germany from 1992 to 1994. He met his wife Mona, an Egyptian national and the daughter of a college professor, on a blind date in Olympia, Washington in 1986, and converted to Islam shortly afterwards. They have lived in Beaverton, Oregon off and on since 1989. Although he was a regular worshiper at a Beaverton mosque prior to his arrest, his colleagues were unaware of his religious beliefs. The imam of the mosque has described Mayfield as "very patriotic". Mayfield has four children.

      He studied law at Washburn University and Lewis and Clark College, receiving his law degree from Washburn in 1999, and practicing family law in Newport before moving to the Portland area. Mayfield performed work for the Modest Means Program of the Oregon State Bar, which matches attorneys who are willing to work at reduced rates for low-income clients. In 2003 he offered legal aid to Jeffrey Leon Battle, one of the Portland Seven, a group of people convicted of trying to travel to Afghanistan to help the Taliban. Battle at the time was involved in a child custody case.

      Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mayfield was concerned for the safety of his children and wife, and according to his father, he suspected that he was under surveillance by the federal authorities. In the weeks before his arrest, Mayfield's family was under the impression that their house had been broken into at least twice, although nothing was stolen. According to court documents, the FBI used National Security Letters in order to wiretap his phones, bug his house, and search his house several times.

      Fingerprints on a bag containing detonating devices, found by Spanish authorities following the Madrid commuter train bombings, were initially identified by the FBI as belonging to Mayfield ("100% verified"). According to the court documents in judge Ann Aiken's decision, this information was largely "fabricated and concocted by the FBI and DOJ". When the FBI finally sent Mayfield's fingerprints to the Spanish authorities, they contested the matching of the fingerprints from Brandon Mayfield to the ones associated with the Madrid bombing. Further, the Spanish authorities informed the FBI they had other suspects in the case, Moroccan immigrants not linked to anyone in the USA. The FBI completely disregarded all of the information from the Spanish authorities, and proceeded to spy on Mayfield and his family further.

      As was discovered during the court case, even the FBI's own records show that this fingerprint, despite the sworn testimony of FBI and DOJ agents, was in all reality not an exact match but only one of 20 "similar" prints to the ones retrieved from Madrid. Based on that list of people with "similar prints" the FBI launched an extensive investigation of all 20 individuals using Letters of National Security. The investigation included medical records, financial records, employment records, etc. on all 20 people and their families. It was during this time that Brandon Mayfield's name rose to the top of the list.

      The FBI arrested Mayfield at his offices in West Slope, an unincorporated suburb of Portland. The arrest was similar to the then-recent Mike Hawash case, under a material witness warrant rather than under charge; he was held with no access to family and limited access, if any, to legal counsel. The FBI initially refused to inform either Mayfield or his family why he was being detained or where he was being held.

      Later, the FBI leaked the nature of the charges to the local media and the family learned of the charges by watching the local news. He was at first held at a Multnomah County jail under a false name; he was later transferred to an unidentified location. His family protested that Mayfield had no connection with the bombings, nor had he been off the continent in over 11 to 14 years.

      mayfield sued and eventually won a $2M settlement and a public apology from the FBI. unfortunately when mayfield challenged the constitutionality of provisions of the Patrtiot Act, the intial ruling in his favor in US district court was overturned on appeal.

    • this is part of a pattern. a terrorism suspect in massachusetts was similarly skirting the borders between competence and incompetence, the local police once being called when he was sited sobbing, soiling his pants in the middle of the street. he was later 'recruited' by a confidential informant who fed him increasingly grand plans for a terrorist attack, while, admittedly, regularly violating the standards for an informant, engaging in variety of activities that should have caused him to be terminated. i guess this is one way to get all of the american muslim males with mental illness into treatment.

  • 'Safe European home'?
    • yes, dan, he was arrested in isreal in 2010 . . . and released . . . the same year he was detained in afghanistan . . . and deported to france . . . and subsequently he was interviewed by french intelligence in november of 2011 after returning from a visit to the border of pakistan/afghanistan, but released after questioning, convincing his interrogators that he was there on 'vacation'.

    • This is militant Islamism, which seeks to dismantle societies such as France's in favor of less pluralistic, more religiously-guided exclusivist ones-- mirroring how the far-right in European history has demanded that citizenship be limited to Christians and Caucasians. It is not unlike the far-right's "strategy of tension" pursued in 1980s Italy in the hopes that they'd seize and force the government into cracking down on their leftist rivals.

      excuse me paul, but you're turning the lesson of the anni di piombo on its head. there is no effective force representing 'militant islam' in europe, and this atrocity smells more like a managed event, managed by french intelligence, than part of an organized 'jihadist' strategy. all indications are that sarkozy is already exploiting this circumstance to ramp up his security state and secure his re-election. for example he is proposing

      a sweeping new law Thursday that would jail those who visit extremist web sites — one of several tough new measures floated in the wake of a murderous shooting spree.

      The proposed rules, unveiled by Nicolas Sarkozy after the death of an Islamist fanatic wanted for a horrifying series of execution-style murders, have alarmed journalists and legal experts, who say they risk pulling the plug on free expression.

      a little background is in order here:

      on July 1, 2008 the government established a data base called EDVIGE (Exploitation documentaire et valorisation de l’information générale) to organize files on all persons older than 13 years of age who have sought, exercised or are exercising political, trade union or economic responsibilities or who play a significant institutional, economic, social or religious role. such information was to include any and all biographical information available from public data bases as well as additional information collected by police and other security personnel, on all individuals and members of organizations that had the potential to cause public disturbances. these measure ostensibly arose out of the political upheaval in france in 2005 when a state of emergency was put in place after rioting in paris and elsehwhere. (heightened security measures were put in place for the protection of prominent jewish sites in 2005, which were supposedly in place up to the recent murders, also in response to the riots and earlier acts of vandalism.) this point is important for two reasons: 1. given the suspect's involvement with law enforcement and surveillance by french and other military and security services, it is inconceivable that information on the suspect was not part of this data base. 2. the purpose of the data base was to assist in the prosecution of individuals whose activities 'disturb the public order.' so 1. we can assume that the securities services had been actively collecting data on the suspect (although there is some question as to the accuracy of the information recently disclosed by the interior minister), and 2. that information could have been used, as it was intended, to prosecute the suspect prior to his alleged commission of the murders.

      french security services were reorganized at the same time the EVIDGE data base was established. the DCRI (Division Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur) , the supposed french equivalent of the FBI, was initially headed by a friend of sarkozy, bernard squarcini. what is interesting about DCRI and squarcini is that sarkozy has basically used it and him, as le canard enchaine has reported, as nixon used the FBI and army intelligence, with DCRI being accused of stealing computers and computer files, GPS systems, and similar items from journalists for Le Monde and Le Point for the purpose of interfering with press investigations into malfeasance by sarkozy. (DCRI admitted to obtaining mobile phone records on justice department personnel during the 'bettencourt affair', but it had never obtained the French equivalent of a warrant permitting it to do so. (eric woerth, former labor minister and treasurer of sarkozy's political party, resigned in 2010 after allegations arose that he used illegal cash contributions from bettencourt (a l'oreal heiress) support sarkozy's election campaign in 2007, and had bought some order or another for close friend of bettencourt.))

      I’m veering off topic here, but my point is that I don’t see how the murders could reasonably be expected to help ‘dismantle a pluralistic civil society' in favor of ‘the caliphate’. That’s just nonsense. sarkozy is putin, without the black belt in judo.

  • One crazed murderer sparks Zionist calls for European migration to Israel
    • just bizarre stuff, annie. i'll nip my OCD following of this issue in the bud, but there are now news reports that the suspect had appeared in public waving a sword, shouting 'al qaeda, al qaeda', had beaten up the sister of a young boy he had forced to watch jihadist 'beheading videos', was mostly unemployed without a centime to his name, yet managed to stockpile all kinds of weapons, including automatic weapons, in france (which, unlike the US, is not awash in guns) and travel on multiple occasions to pakistan/afghanist, all of this violent and suspicious behavior occurring while under the surveillance of sarkozy's special security apparatus, and after he had already served time in prison. it seems as if this tragedy could have been avoided.

    • annie, i looked at the le monde reports again, and it appears that Gueant (interior minister) alleges the suspect made the 'palestinian revenge' statements during negotiations with RAID, although his comment is such a mishmash of 'reportage' from the scene and background intelligence it is a bit unclear. in any event Gueant successfully tied the suspect to muslims from kandahar to paris.

    • does anyone know when these interviews took place or with whom?

      that's a good question, annie. the only source for the alleged statements that i've seen is the french interior minister, who said yesterday

      "He claims to be a mujahideen and to belong to al Qaeda.

      "He wanted revenge for the Palestinian children and he also wanted to take revenge on the French army because of its foreign interventions."

      i have not seen a more detailed explanation of when the suspect made these statements and to whom, although i'm left with the vague impression that he was shouting these comments at 'the scene' where he was ultimately shot in the head by french police, and then jumped out of a window. or something like that.

    • comparing pollard to dreyfus. that's rich.

    • How the hell do you know?

      well, if you believe press reports about the alleged murderer, he stated that he had committed the crimes in retaliation for israeli treatment of palestinian children.

      The guy belonged to an Al-Qaeda affiliate.

      well, again, if you believe initial press reports. it now appears that the initial reports of who this guy is, and what he has done in the past, may not be accurate. both pakastani and afghani representatives state that the conduct the french attribute to him, imprisonment in afghanistan, travel to pakistan, etc. is not consistent with their intelligence. i find it unfathomable that the french had this guy under surveillance for years, and liked him as a suspect of the murder of the french paratroopers, but somehow managed to let him slip through their clouseauian dragnet to murder children.

      Israel could be the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. The guy is still going to shoot these Jews.

      but it isn't the most peaceful country on the face of the planet. in fact it is something substantially less than that. and since you are so agitated over speculative commentary, how the f*ck do you know what 'the guy' would or would not have done if israel were 'the most peaceful country on the face of the planet'?

      He uses the Palestinians AS AN EXCUSE.

      there it is. it took a bit longer than i expected, but internal contradiction in your arguments is inevitable. so his actions were not really a response to israeli conduct, but treatment of palestinians was AN EXCUSE. (must you dolts all yell?) what are you, a fricken' mind reader? you accept that a statement by the alleged murderer is an accurate report of his comments, then you question his state of mind, on the basis of ...?

      and then, *yawn*, more yelling, misdirection, hypocrisy, ....

      no hopee, israel's conduct has no effect on anyone. pictures of dead palestinian children caused by the IDF, cheered on by israeli spectators in arm chairs, certainly would never elicit the same kind of anguish and rage as the death of jewish children, and palestinians certainly could never mourn the loss of their friends and family as deeply as israelis, and any suggestion to the contrary is anti-semitic.

  • Responses to Toulouse murders from Palestinian orgs and Jerusalem mourners
    • i like that seafoid. has a nice ring to it in these times. grillage, surveillance, portes blindées doesn't rhyme quite as well as liberte, etc. but we're turning into collective illiterates anyway.

      and this from le monde:

      Selon des sources policières à la direction centrale du renseignement intérieur (DCRI) le suspect est un terroriste confirmé qui aurait été formellement confondu pour son rôle dans les trois attentats, mardi. Il a effectué plusieurs séjours en Afghanistan et au Pakistan, dans des camps d'entraînement d'Al-Qaida, notamment dans la région de Kandahar où il aurait été arrêté, fin 2010, par les autorités pakistanaises, pour des faits de droit commun. D'obédience salafiste, il appartiendrait à l'une des branches les plus radicales de l'islamisme combattant. Il aurait effectué au moins deux voyages dans la zone frontalière pakistano-afghane, en 2010 et en 2011. Cette année-là, au retour de son dernier séjour, il aurait été repéré par les services de la DCRI. "Il fait partie des profils que nous surveillons, a indiqué au Monde une source du renseignement intérieur. Nous l'avions dans le collimateur." Toujours selon cette source, l'homme avait été ciblé parmi d'autres suspects, au lendemain de l'attaque contre les trois parachutistes de Montauban.

      so this guy has been under surveillance apparently for years, flying in and out of pakistan and afghanistan, training in al-queda camps in kandahar, and was suspected of involvement in the previous attack against french paratroopers, and what . . .? this is beyond words. sarkozy's head should be on a pike.

    • absolutely grotesque what has been done. one of the oddities about this case is that french authorities had put in place special security measures to secure potential 'jewish' targets of terrorist/racist violence, apparently managed by f*cking incompetents given the recent attacks on other minorities in toulouse, allegedly by the same perpetrator.

      from le monde of yesterday:

      LE MINISTRE de l'intérieur, Claude Guéant, a demandé que soient renforcées les mesures de sécurité aux abords des écoles juives, lundi 19 mars au matin, immédiatement après la fusillade qui a fait quatre morts devant un collège-lycée juif de Toulouse. Depuis 2005, dans la foulée de la flambée d'actes antisémites du début des années 2000, le gouvernement a lancé un plan de sécurisation des bâtiments de la communauté juive. Il s'agissait de protéger l'accès et les alentours des synagogues, des écoles, des crèches ou d'associations communautaires sur l'ensemble du territoire en installant des grillages, des barrières, des caméras de surveillance, des systèmes d'alarme ou des portes blindées . . .

      sorry, had the whole article up yesterday, but it's now only available to subscribers.

  • Pentagon fears Israeli strike on Iran would drag US in
    • The two-week war game, called Internal Look, played out a narrative in which the United States found it was pulled into the conflict after Iranian missiles struck a Navy warship in the Persian Gulf, killing about 200 Americans, according to officials with knowledge of the exercise. The United States then retaliated by carrying out its own strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.

      that's curious. the 'war game' managed by kenneth pollock of the saban center back in 2009 concluded that iranian actors, even at their most aggressive, would not retaliate against american forces directly or interfere with american operations in iraq and afghanistan in response to an israeli attack.

  • Israeli academics call for massive attack on Gaza to 'mow the lawn' -- before November election ends the 'opportunity'
    • There is endless documentation to prove this second explanation. But I doubt the denizens of Mondoweiss are open to seeing it. Still, Phil Weiss does have an inkling: he’s puzzled by Max Singer.

      1. actually, there's a 3rd explanation, which is that some israelis, not all, have determined that israel's survival as a 'jewish' state is dependent on perpetual existential threat, hence its repeated interruptions of relative calm, unilateral breaking of ceasefires, etc. as dickerson repeatedly points out, this is a variation on the futurist/nihilist philosophy of constant motion, action for action's sake.

      2. i'm not certain what you think phil finds 'puzzling' about singer. the war mongering of parents who have lost children in combat is hardly a novelty.

    • Inbar and Singer demonstrate that being an academic is no shield from being evil and twisted.

      i dont't mean to be critical, woody, i get your point. but most of these institutions have what i call 'inverse bacterial filters' which allow fecal matter to pass through, and gain tenure, while blocking innovative thinkers whose ideologies don't suit the purpose of the institutions. like martin kramer and his aptly named blog 'sand box', certainly a freudian reference to his subconscious wish to be buried like feline droppings. (if you go to his home page you'll find martin's larger-than-life portait projected onto an egyptian pyramid. no delusional pathologies there.)

  • The flaw of Beinart's conception of Israel's 'flawed but genuine democracy'
    • beinart,

      As I write this, I cringe. Most settlers aren’t bad people…


      Israeli settlers have taken over dozens of natural springs in the West Bank, limiting or preventing Palestinian access to much-needed water sources, a United Nations report said on Monday.

      The report produced by the UN's Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said at least 30 springs across the West Bank had been completely taken over by settlers, with Palestinians unable to access them at all.

      In most instances, the report said, "Palestinians have been deterred from accessing the springs by acts of intimidation, threats and violence perpetrated by Israeli settlers."

      The report said an OCHA survey carried out in 2011 identified a total of 56 springs that were under total or partial control of Israeli settlers, most in the part of the West Bank known as Area C, which is under full Israeli civil and military control.

      "Springs have remained the single largest water source for irrigation and a significant source for watering livestock" for Palestinians, OCHA said, noting that some springs also provide water for domestic consumption.

      "The loss of access to springs and adjacent land reduced the income of affected farmers, who either stop cultivating the land or face a reduction in the productivity of their crops."

  • Beinart calls for boycott of settlements 'to save Israel'
    • Dohrn? D-o-h-r-n? Does that sound like a Jewish name to you?

      it's in the inflection. really, mooser, you just gotta learn to spot these things. let your inner bigot speak. i was taught that it was impolite to 'size up' people, ethnically speaking, but then, as i 'grew up', i learned that many of those who complained the most about the negative implications of stereotyping were the greatest practitioners of the craft. self love is a crazy, crazy kind of love. that's part of the fascination with 'mad men', for example, which, to paraphrase don draper, that 60's-ish farm-raised, gentile-ish icon, "We’re 'Mad Men', the least jewish, most jewish TV show there is.' i can't wait for eposide 5 of the upcoming season, entitled 'don's yarmulke'. didn't see that coming.

    • So we are going to have two BDS movements with different objectives regarding equal rights for Palestinians and refugees from Israel?

      no doubt phil will soon be gushing over the imminent arrival of bernadine dohrn on the scene. no worries, she'll patch things up in double time.

    • you're wrong, scott. they don't care about BDS, except to the extent that it is the contemporary equivalent of the holocaust. they don't know about BDS, but they enact legislation to punish advocates of a boycott. and boycotts are immoral and ineffective, except when instituted against the islamic republic of iran, in which case they are humane, but only partially effective, the best response to iranian intransigence being multi-ton aerial-launched high explosives.

    • I doubt 1% have heard of BDS.

      i doubt that you know what you are talking about. not that playing dumb doesn't suit you, but are you serious, or is this a bit of psycho-melodrama? and btw, i don't have any interest in or patience for the continued mistreatment of palestinians in israel and the OT being identified as a 'jewish' issue, by beinart or any other nitwit supremacist. (the use of the term 'jewish democratic state', or any variation thereof, with a straight face is instructive.) is the murder of jewish school children in toulouse a 'jewish' issue, or should all people be calling for a response to this atrocity?

  • 'Daily Beast' ode to Livni makes no mention of Gaza assault
    • livni is yet another representative of the fictional 'center', of the zombie mediocrity that stumbles forward despite itself. 'too smart to fail', to borrow from thomas frank, too naturally disingenuous to be challenged (by the likes of avlon and other respectibles, at least), for example, incessantly whining on about the iranian threat (implying, of course, that iran is an 'irrational' actor) while heartily adopting the dodgy biblical imperative that zionists behave like mad dogs, to murder the children of your enemy, in reaction to any provocation, actual or potential. and what business do 'former' speech writers have in rooting around in ostensibly legitimate journalistic circles? getting paid to spin yarns for guiliani should disqualify one from a subsequent career in 'journalism'.

  • Afghan parliamentary team says many Americans were involved in massacre in which army accuses one
    • this type of 'indiscriminate' killing is a staple of drug wars. similar horrors occur in juarez and elsewhere in mexico, with the mass murder of teens, club goers, family members. billions of dollars of 'product' being moved. this is one of the unspoken subtexts of the war.

  • How important is it to the Times (and us) that Greg Smith is Jewish?
    • The dangerous meme being promoted on this site is: . . ..

      oh, syndey, but you are a hoot. yes, it's us at mondoweiss who are responsible for the conflation of 'the jews' and zionism. no such argument goes on in the squishy parameters of the 'jewish community', where even lukewarm criticism of israel by the likes of beinart unleashes the inevitable self-policing holocaust comparisons. but it's the obsessive concern of 'some people on Mondoweiss' that's troubling. (and thanks for quickly pasting together an 'us vs. them' dichotomy amongst mondoweiss readers. not that you'd ever stoop to such divisive tactics.) and tell us, when people, jewish and gentile alike, praise the resilience and work ethic of american jews in the face of discrimination, citing such qualities as the foundation for their success, are 'some people' promoting a 'dangerous meme' about the homogeneity of 'the jews', or is such stereotyping permissible?

  • Wall Street firm slammed the door on young Warren Buffett for religious reasons
    • A lot of the uncensored history in Weiner's oral history is his chronicle of the fall of the old patrician order on Wall Street and the rise of Jewish bankers and traders in the '60s and '70s.

      how does one square this statement with greg smith's recent op-ed piece in the NYT? and this?

      link to

  • Brian Williams suggests that Israeli attack on Iran will invite terrorism to London Olympics
    • great. but apparently not too many are concerned about the slow-motion strangulation of iran, on the basis of . . . what . . .. 60 minutes can interview HRC five years from now and ask her if the increased child mortality rate among iranians as a consequence of sanctions was 'worth it.'

      Swift, the body that handles global banking transactions, says it will cut Iran’s banks out of the system on Saturday to enforce sanctions.

      The move will isolate Iran financially by making it almost impossible for money to flow in and out of the country via official banking channels.

      It will hit its oil industry, but may also have a heavy impact on Iranians who live abroad and send money home.

      The move follows EU sanctions against Iran over its nuclear programme.

      link to

  • Gilad Shalit's father says, 'If I were Palestinian I'd kidnap soldiers'
  • Israel will attack Iran-- and Obama gave tacit approval (Haaretz)
    • Netanyahu presented three/four examples in which his predecessors broke the American directive and made crucial decisions regarding the future of Israel: the declaration of independence in 1948/the attack on the Suez canal in 1956, starting the Six Day War in 1967 and the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981....

  • Obama rejects a Syrian deal because his team wants F15s (and other stuff I learned at lunch)
    • America’s equivalent of Europe’s Dark Ages, absolute power revolving around the twin poles of monarcy and church.

      i'd disagree, sumud. in medieval europe the catholic church had real political power, exercised from a central authority. and despite the bad rap the middle ages get, the various orders within the catholic church were responsible for preserving/promoting higher learning, at least amongst its own. 'the church' in 21st century america is nothing like that. it is a whore to power, promoting ignorance.

    • great interview. and i agree with much of what your friend had to say. in particular, i don't necessarily see a weakening of zionism as a political force. on the contrary, it seems to be stronger than ever. which leads to my second point, your breathless, uninterrupted publication of the (next) world changing event. unfortunately the two points seem to be connected.

  • Shadia Mansour, first lady of Arabic hip-hop, featured in Esquire mag contest
    • shadia is beautiful, but, really, allison, bracketology for the 'hottest babe' or whatever it is. it's bad enough we have to be subjected to a month-long promotion of sports gambling posing as an amateur basketball tournament, but this is almost as nauseating.

  • Muslim activists give NYPD chief Ray Kelly the cold shoulder
    • i am not sure what you are saying, scott, letting it 'play out'. the nyc should be subject to federal investigation for its actions. let that play out, then we'll talk. and just try typing 'new york city police' and 'corruption' into google, and you'll get a sense of what a grand institution the police in new york are, with recent findings of cops planting drugs to inflate arrest statistics, present and former cops running weapons, etc. all large police forces that are not subject to rigorous civilian oversight wind up mired in corruption.

  • The radicalization of Yossi Gurvitz
    • not that much of what he says is news to those of us paying attention, but when you read gurvitz you can't help but see the similarities between israel and the states. and none of the similarities are flattering.

  • 'New Republic' says Obama 'detests' Netanyahu and treats him shabbily
    • Mr. President, I’m not reassured. On this one I need to watch my own back.

      perfect. nice knowin' ya. best of luck on your own. sorry it had end this way. it's not you, it's me. don't let the door hit you on the way out. feel free to move ahead on this issue with iran on your own.

  • Netanyahu gives genocidal bible story to Obama
    • You sure you want to go that way Phil ?

      that's one question. another question might be why so many zionists insist on conducting themselves in a manner that mirrors classic anti-semitic propaganda.

  • At last a leader, Obama fingers 'Israeli interest' in war
  • Netanyahu says, You also refused to bomb Auschwitz
    • But, please – feel free to make this case publicly: “The greatest generation” are all a bunch of anti-semites. Let’s get Alan Dershowitz in a VFW making that pitch…..

      i'd pay good money to see that. but it's not just bibi with this attitude. you see it in movies all the time, spielberg's for one, the naively complicit americans, whether releasing germans to rape/murder jews during wwii, or american athletes helping 'black september' into the olympic compound.

  • How Tony Judt broke with exclusivist ideology
    • it’s that you hate Israelis as politically inferior beings ... blah, blah, blah

      you've got it wrong, newclench. i would guess that most people wouldn't give israelis much thought, any more than they would spend time thinking about albanians or micronesians, if it weren't for the $ we send them and what they do to their neighbors.

    • Well, as any Southerner who lived through the Civil War and saw slavery end can tell you, it’ll be awful.

      link to

  • This could be World War 3-- and we're talking less than the parties to a friendly divorce
  • In 45 minutes with Obama, Goldberg asks repeatedly about Iran, nothing about Palestinians
    • “a small country in a tough neighborhood”?

      the whole 'conversation' is peppered with this drivel. t.friedman must be obama's rhetoric coach.

    • smd341, your first mistake is to characterize that staged exchange as a 'conversation'. second, the content of the 'conversation' is pretty superficial, even for goldenberg. since you seem to think that something of importance was revealed, why don't you enlighten us? don't strain yourself, though, a couple of bullet points will suffice.

  • The NDAA -- we are all Josef K now
    • you really to have to wonder whether our elected representatives are sociopaths. and i mean that in the clinical, not pejorative, sense. my rep continues to disappoint, voting for every bill leading to the further militarization of society.

  • Responding to commenters on recent bannings
    • hostage has been banned? my memory is terrible with names, particular the nicknames so often used on the internet, but we're talking about the guy/gal who was the resident international law expert, right?

  • Israel attacked Iranian nuclear facilities last year -- Wikileaks
    • i don't remember any reports that would fit the destruction of such facilities, bumblebye. could be wrong of course.

      here is a link to one such explosion. the images are certainly not of nuclear facilities.

      link to

    • i agree, fredblogs, and for other reasons as well. there appears to be clear evidence that iran had sent its nuclear program underground, with news reports of super hardened facilities, facilities built into mountains, etc. given israel's past attacks on iraqi facilities and the threat of attack on iranian facilities which long predate this latest round of mongering. the nyt, ha'aretz and others published stories with sources voicing skepticism about the effectiveness of 15-ton aerial bombs, specifically designed to destroy hardened, underground facilities, and we're now supposed to believe that some kurdish and israel foot soldiers humped in enough explosives to 'blow off a mountain top' as one military source described the job of taking out iranian facilities. i don't think it could be done as implied, and if hardened facilities were destroyed, the destruction could hardly be kept a secret.

  • The Rosh Hashanah sermon on Fire Island
    • you didn’t mention the exclusion of Jews from “certain white-shoe law firms” during that time, and possibly even today.

      ha. so you admit that there is still anti-semitism in these US? and maybe you didn't hear, but there was some controversy recently (no shit, i'm serious) that jews only constituted 18% of undergraduates at Princeton. yes, that's right, only 18%. if that isn't cause for concern (*anti-semitism mumble mumble* ) then i don't know what is. but wait it gets worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). it turns out that asians, yes those pesky obsessively ambitious asians, have to score hundreds of points higher on their SATs to get the same consideration as (*mumble, mumble again*) 'white' applicants to ivy league schools. so you see, when gentiles (and when i say gentiles, i mean a few upper class episcopalian families) were keeping jewish applicants out of yale back in the 1920s with their cockamamie definitions of merit, incorporating such amorphous qualities as 'leadership' (or the 'my idiot son' legacy argument), and jewish applicants were screaming 'but we score higher academically!', contemporary admissions standards apparently have come full circle in favor of . . . 'such amorphous qualities as 'leadership', or the 'my daddy's name is on the chow hall' legacy argument. i mean, f*ck israel. thank god for new haven, the hamptons and fire island, the only places on earth where a jew is free to show off in full peacock splendor his bird-brained ignorance without fear of contradiction. and you know how unhealthy unwanted contradiction can be, especially for ivy league graduates.

      thank you, rebecca, for your superhuman courage, your unfathomable bravery. but be a bit more cautious; we wouldn't want you to be disinvited from the next fire island affair. pffftt.

    • great link, mooser. 'slavery by another name'. touches on one of my pet irritations, the perennial march of the leo frank documentories and memorials. a recent hour-long cspan affair left the not-so accidental impression that jewish southerners have been treated just as brutally as african-americans.

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