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The neocons got the empty suit they wanted. I'm sure they are lamenting the fact that Michelle Bachman didn't win the nomination.
I can only hope that as a devout Christian he eventually shares regret for the destruction and havoc he helped wreak.
"This proactive approach should help calm nerves in the region about Obama’s mettle.."
Good catch Phil, because as we know, nothing calms nerves over Obama's "meddle" like an outbreak of war. They must have been laughing when they wrote that line. It has to be a case of putting something so ludicrous into an op-ed and knowing people will take it seriously. "Ooh, ooh, Fly, check out this line I just came up with - we HAVE to use this in the op-ed piece. "
Not that it hurts the Post, but I canceled my subscription. Not going to buy it until they can Hiatt.
"We don’t want the Jews to socialise with the gentiles over dinner, even drink wine together. That may end in intermarriage"
He's right - I went out to 25 cent oyster night and wound up marrying a Christian....... Damned. Should have went to pastrami night instead.
"Skin color or facial features does not mean that they won’t be affiliated to, for example, evangelical churches that support Apartheid Israel."
I agree. I'm not as optimistic as Phil is about the demographic shift triggering a change in foreign policy. The more recent minorities that have run for office have been staunchly pro-war and are on the neocon bandwagon - Rubio, Cain, Jindel, etc.
It's the money. As long as campaigns are financed as they currently are, I don't see much of a change.
"What current aid to Jordan, or Syria, or Libya?"
I'm thinking more about the covert monies used to support "rebels" and other anti-government factions.
My main point is that I feel we should not dole out ANY foreign aid to anyone, whether it's cash, weapons or supplies. We're flat broke, deep in debt, and our infrastructure is crumbling.
Do we give Syrian rebels 10 million, or fix a 100+ year old sewer system here in the states?
I realize Fredblogs' motives. It's to punish. He'll have to deal with that when he meets his maker. I have to deal with questions from my child wondering why we send billions outside our country when there's so many poor disadvantaged people in our own country.
"I have an idea, how about if we cut the 3 billion we give to Israel, and since we are trying to save money, cut the billion we give to the Palestinians, and the money we give to the UN that funds UNRWA"
Your lips to congress' ears my friend...
How about stopping aid to Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Jordan as well?
Since I'm a "topper", I think seeing Bibi smoking a cig after the "act" would add a nice touch.
Wow, great cartoon PTJ, had me rolling. I love the scene with Tevya, Yentel and the bobblehead doll!
"The average level of education and standard of living is much higher with the Palestinians."
Wait, we're told that Palestinians are animals who do nothing but raise their children to hate Jews and to be martyrs. How do they have time to learn this and STILL become doctors and professors?
This narrative is confusing. So they're not animals, they are professors and doctors. OK, then why can't professors and doctors live life free from occupation?
Classic Dan!
"Israel doesn’t need the money, but it does come in handy"
Mmm, that seems like a lie. Israel lobbies our government pretty hard for that money.
So Israel, America's #1 friend, doesn't need the money, but takes it anyway. I guess it does come in handy to help offset universal healthcare, something Israelis would surely give up if they had to pay for their own defense, yes?
"Also, the savings from cutting Israel off from aid would be partly offset by the inevitable extra subsidies that would be paid to American weapons manufacturers to compensate for the drop in sales to Israel."
You're twisting like a pretzel with that one. We could simply use the money to buy the weapons for OURSELVES. You see, it's better to apply our own tax dollars to purchase goods and services for ourselves, especially since it's not needed by Israel.
Reality check - Israel cannot financially survive without us. They need money from a Christian nation to survive. Pretty sad we can't support a Jewish nation without handouts and welfare from a Christian nation.
"The U.S. benefits from the R&D since it is a chance to practice shooting down missiles in a real environment rather than a simulated one."
So by that logic, it is in our best interest for the conflict to continue so we can use and abuse Israel for the benefit of R & D at 3 billion+ a year.
Hmm. I would think that U.S. compamies can set up and test they're goods without having to soak the tax payer and continue to kill innocent Israelis.
So Israel needs a secular state's money to exist. That's sad for Israel. I would think Israel would rather exist based on it's own abilities. But I guess that's the crux of the socialist support for Israel. Maybe somedy Israel will be able to exist on it's own, but I hear you Fred. Until then they need to be our live test case for our weapons manufacturers.
Actually, the crux of his point, which Fred and Oleg avoid, is that we Americans are paying for it, and not Israel.
When a Jewish state cannot afford to sustain itself and requires welfare from another country, doesn't it cease to exist as a Jewish state? Shouldn't we Jews bear the financial responsibility to support the state? Why is it that Israel must be on the dole for it's survival from a Christian nation?
That's not self determination, but it is a pretty nice deal if you can get it. Luckily we can have austerity here to continue to pay for a state that cannot exist without our tax dollars.
Marc, not to defend the churches' handling of the scandal, but on a local level here in DC, the arch diocese has done a lot to help clean up the problem. In order to volunteer at my child's school, I had to get fingerprinted and take a training class that all volunteers, teachers, preists and bishops have to go through. They've screened out an awful lot of folks this way, but nothing is fool proof.
Only speaking on my experiences with a local church/school, they've been so warm and welcoming and kind to my family and our child. Wish I could pay the Catholic tuition rate, but hey, they're willing to accept a child who's dad is Jewish, so it's all good.
"Abuse of children is evil, pure and simple
and it crosses community and religious lines"
Damned straight. Especially evil are those who are supposed to be "pious".
"they end up posting anything that makes Jews look bad, anywhere in the world."
I would think the best remedy for that is to not sexually abuse. Just as many Catholics work hard to expose wrongdoing in their community, so do many Jews. If my Rabbi is screwing a kid I'll shout it from the rooftops.
Besides, isn't this helping to expose a problem in our homeland?
"Or is it an off topic article ?"
When you run a successful blog, you can post topics that are important to you.
I applaud Phil for it. As pointed out from other posters, it's a problem that has scarred people from many different eligious and ethnic backgrounds.
Want to be horrifed? Plow through the U.S. foster care system. Every single child represents a tragedy of epic proportions, over 500,000 of them.
But I can bring it around to Israel in a 'round about kinda way Oleg - tossing 3 billion a year out the door in welfare to Israel surely could be better spent here at home helping victims of sexual abuse and prosecuting those responsible, no? Heck, it might even help those stuck in foster care find a home, treatment, etc., no?
"..a westerner who meets some of the Middle
East realities."
Bought and paid for by said westerner's confiscated tax dollars.
"I would not contract out my security to anybody, even a loyal, loyal, loyal friend like the United States."
That must make our friends that we're contracted out to "protect" in South Korea and Europe feel pretty safe....
"Remnick was born of Jewish parents in Hackensack, New Jersey"
Wow Phil, you're right about the shiv. So maybe it's time to revamp Law of Return?
Brutal. The lobby sure do take a big bite of tuchus in this debate. Luckily there's principled folks out there with big tuchuses.
"The Catholics certainly do it through the Catholic Church."
Which is what, about 80% Catholic?
Dude, we're being asked to support settlements. Is that what you want to unite around? We're being asked to unite around a state that you're not willing to live in - unless the going gets pretty rough around here.
The govt. of the United States forks over 3+ billion a year to the entity we want to unite around. Last I checked, the Catholic church can support itself. Are we incapable of supporting a piece of land the size of New Jersey without help from a nation whose makeup is over 90% Christian? Really?
I guess you can feel proud of that. Me personally, I'm kind of surprised.....
I'm sure you're in luck, they'll probably kill him, but he didn't "blab". He turned the documents over to Wikileaks. Manning is no journalist. He trusted Wikileaks with that task.
But you;re right, had we not gone into Iraq, we wouldn't need to worry about "helping the enemy".
It's a pattern. Stephen Walt is an intellectual terrorist. CBS stages a strategic terror attack.
It's almost comical. people like Simon head over there, spend time, interview do research, and they get attacked by people who have probably never been there a day in their lives. A person in our local community wrote an article in our local paper about the I/P conflict after heading over there for two months and people write letters to the editor basically saying she shouldn't believe her lying eyes.
It sure does help to be on the ground in order to know the facts on the ground. Simon does just that.
"The stopping of reward payments to the families of suicide bombers would have certainly influenced potential recruits to change their minds."
No doubt about it. And it was such a bargain - only a couple trillion American dollars and 4,000+ dead Americans to halt the payments.
Betcha no Mayhem children in those Iraqi foxholes.
I don't think that was the plan either, but I guess a better way of putting it would be that they did not think about the devastation and did not care as long as they got what they wanted. A complete disregard for the possible consequences of shock and awe.
If only the zionist Christians were to look beyond dispensationalism they'd see what's going on.
Brutal statistics there. A million Christians having to leave their homes is criminal, but of course no one will pay for the crime. Instead, the lot of them receive the medal of freedom.
"Has CBS ever bothered to report on the real exodus today of Christians from Arab lands?"
Not CBS, but others sure have - on various news and opinion sites.
The neocons that pushed for and got the Iraq war they wanted sure do have a tremendous amount of Iraqi Christian blood on their hands for unleashing a civil war in that country. I guess Paul Wolfowitz didn't care at all about the Iraqi Christians when he dismissed the military's estimate for troops, after all, smart guys that these neocons are, they KNEW what would happen and they still advocated for it. The war caused an exodus of over four million Iraqis.
But point taken, let's see a CBS story on what the war unleashed on the Iraqi Christians.
"Goldberg thinks they are “high minded”.
OK, a bit inappropriate, but now I have the vision of a bunch of NYT/WashPo stoners sounding like Beavis and Butthead talking about what a great idea it would be to invade Iraq.
Not to offend Beavis and Butthead by comparing them to the WashPo & NYT pundits and editors who helped cheerlead us into war.
"Owhh blood libels Walid an oldie but a goodie."
Actually, blood libel is against Jews. Walid is talking about Israelis. Us American Jews tend not to do the things Israelis do.
"I guess there must be some hidden bug in the liberal left ideology that makes you go time and again and praise guys like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,
Kim er Sung and now Nasrallah"
I guess there must be some hidden bug in the conservative right ideology that makes you go time and again and praise guys like Hitler, Trotsky, Neo-nazis,
David Duke and now Breivik.
"Would you make a deal with a Sadaam Hussein. Mubarek, Gaddafi or Ben Ali? Would you grant legitimacy to a despot who has murdered thousands of his own people?"
Nope, but hey, I wouldn't need to. I would high-tail it out of the ME because I don't live there, I don't belong there, and I don't want relations with them.
But you come to the table with the neocon view of the world that has caused so much murder and "mayhem" in that area of the world, which states we have the right to invade and occupy ME countries to spread democracy. (so much for Christian just-war theory)
You fail your own litmus test. Afterall, we, the U.S., have slaughtered tens of thousands of Iraqis, and I'm sure you would 'make a deal' with the U.S.
So Mort's right. Ex-wife puts a tail on him 'cus of his affair with mistress Israel. He just couldn't quit her.
"i wouldn’t put it past any of them to have engineered the takeover of the building just to be able to later evict them and ‘soften it’ with the announcement of legalizing the decade old outposts.
what a sham"
I know it's only a snapshot, but it sure doesn't look like what happened in Gaza when soldiers were dragging settlers out. These folks were walking out without an issue. If it was staged, which it sure seems that way to me, someone will probably talk.
It would be great if the Israeli press tracks the progress of this "evicted" family too see where they wind up, where they came from, if there was money exchanged, etc.
"Who speaks like that save 143 year old Daughters of the Confederacy?
‘Jewish friends.’ How big of him. Does he have ‘homosexual friends’ and ‘blacks’ too?"
Pretty funny, good one!
"bluff Arafat pulled on Clinton.."
Some bluff. Israel gets over 3 billion a year in welfare and Arafat pulled a bluff??
Nice.....
You:
a) Can't stand on your own two feet
b) Resolve your own disputes
Maybe we should increase the welfare check? Would that make you feel better?
"Are you in favor of annexation?"
Are you? We know what that means politically.
Wow, different representation/governments on the same land. Sounds like a true democracy?
Really? Looks like Israel is. Matthew Ackerman from the Times Of Israel:
link to blogs.timesofisrael.com
"There is one thing that can be said for Peter Beinart: He has very effectively captured the attention of nearly the entire organized American Jewish community and a fair slice of the general media world besides these past two years. "
"The Knesset has several Arab representatives"
Any from beyond the green line? There sure are West Bank settlers serving, why no Arabs?
This areguement is hollow considering the hypocrisy of extending Jewish representaion to Israel proper FROM the West Bank, yet no Arab representation from the SAME land.
That;s not democracy, it's just more of the same.
Hahaha, good one. I enjoyed that movie. Awesome scene when the Rabbi recites Jefferson Airplane. Or was that Starship? I could never get that straight - so to speak..
" God forbid, I remember thinking, if history repeated itself, there has to be a place for us to go...."
A safety net? I'm sure the Israelis feel good about that one.
Nice....
We're in the wrong business Adam ;.)
“Buy war bonds”
i do believe this is an American invention.
True.
Guess we DO have somethin in common. We Americans solicite Americans to buy U.S. war bonds and Israelis solicite - Americans to buy Israeli war bonds.
I guess you do have to beg and ask for welfare when you're poor and can't sustain life on your own.
Why not make Aliya and live here in the U.S.? It's a nice place and we don't need handouts from other countries to survive. We make it here on our own.
I've posted this article before, but I'll toot a dear old school friends' horn again. Aref Dajani, a good guy who works hard for peace and reconcilliaition. Ahead of their time - and article by Dajani and Walter Ruby written over 10 years ago:
link to pij.org
Two States, One Common Land
by Walter Ruby and Aref Dajani
Where do we go from here?
The tragic eruption of large-scale violence between Palestinians and Israelis in recent months makes manifestly clear that the approach to peace symbolized by the Oslo Accords is dead. Yet it is also evident that when this latest sustained eruption of rock-throwing, shooting and killing finally subsides and the political fallout from these events is absorbed, our two long-suffering peoples will find themselves confronting exactly the same dilemma they faced a year ago and a decade ago and a generation ago, namely, how to coexist in the tiny land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River without giving way to murderous violence neither side can long sustain.
Belonging and Sharing
So if the Oslo process, based upon mutual recognition and trading land for peace, has proven not to be the answer, what conceivable formula can we find to finally break the impasse? While both sides do indeed need to make painful concessions in order to reach a just peace settlement, it will also be necessary for each people to make profound psychological adjustments that render more inclusive the manner in which both connect to the common land over which we have been struggling for so long.
As agonizingly complex as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict often appears, at heart it is quite simple. For over a century, our two peoples have been fighting with stones, bullets, bombs and missiles over the same small piece of land, all the while trying to out-shout each other with expressions of undying love and devotion for the place. In recent years, more and more Palestinians and Israelis have understood that they cannot militarily vanquish or permanently disperse the other side, and therefore will have to cede a portion of the land to the sovereignty of the other. Yet it is surprising how few have followed up that realization with another critically important one, namely, that while our two peoples are indeed fated to live side by side forever, it is not preordained that we must do so in a mutually resentful fashion, as though forced to put up with a free-loading relative in one’s own home. As long as we are condemned by fate to share the land both so revere, might we not learn to enjoy doing so?
Indeed, why cannot the mutual enthusiasm of Israelis and Palestinians for the same hills, valleys and ancient cities and for the same sights, sounds and smells become a positive force for drawing closer together? No immutable law of nature dictates that we cannot enthusiastically share with each other the abiding love each people feels for the common land one side calls Palestine and the other Israel. Why cannot we not celebrate together our common feeling of connectedness and belonging to the place? Why not embrace a doctrine of “Two States, One Common Land”?
Against Separation, for Reconciliation
The two of us have joined together to espouse this new consciousness as a Palestinian-American whose father was driven from his ancestral village of Beit Dajan near Jaffa in February 1948 by Jewish forces and who himself aspires to return to live there one day, and as an American Jew who has spent five years of his life living in Israel and passionately loves the country. We do not agree on every issue, but we rejoice in celebrating together our mutual love for the tiny, jewel-like land that is at the heart of our respective identities.
We strongly oppose the doctrine of “separation” between our two peoples. True reconciliation can only come about through an ongoing program of intensive personal interaction between grass-roots Palestinians and Israelis. Imagine people from twinned Israeli and Palestinian villages and cities or from professional associations in both states talking to each other on a sustained basis via telephone, the Internet and regular face-to-face meetings on both sides of the new border. Imagine Israeli scouts, both Jewish and Arab, hiking together with Palestinian scouts along the old Green Line, comparing historical, religious or folkloric associations each side attaches to the same hidden spring, ancient village or crumbling ruin.
The ethic of “Two States, One Land” is also about taking urgently needed steps to protect the fragile environment of the land, which is under great strain due to over-population and runaway development. It is necessary for Israel and Palestine to work together to institute sensible environmental and land-use policies, while equitably sharing water and other scarce resources.
A Common Vocabulary
At first glance, our vision of “Two States, One Common Land” may sound romantic, even utopian. Actually, it is eminently pragmatic and practical, since the realization of this new ethic could finally overcome the entrenched opposition to a peace agreement by large constituencies on both sides.
Many Palestinians oppose the Oslo Accords because of a fear that by signing a peace deal with Israel they would be cutting abiding communal and personal ties to the cities and villages from which they fled or were driven in 1948. Israelis and Jews often see that as evidence of revanchism, but, in reality, it is simply asking too much of Palestinians to relate to only the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as Palestine. By the same token, many Israelis and Jews fear that once a peace deal is consummated, they would have to sever ties to West Bank sites, including some that have been attacked by Palestinians in recent months, with which they have deep spiritual and historical connections. Palestinians and Arabs often see expressions of this connection as evidence of expansionism, yet, in reality, it is asking too much of Israelis to embrace only the politically defined State of Israel and sever all emotional connections to the remainder of the biblical homeland.
Rejectionists on both sides happen to be correct that Israel-Palestine is organically one land. Yet they are profoundly wrong in insisting that the whole of the land can be united only under their own dominion. A century of conflict has proven that neither side has the power to force the other to accept such a solution. Therefore, the most sensible strategy for achieving reconciliation is to divide the land into two states while promoting love of a common land that transcends the borders of those states.
“Two States, One Common Land” cannot be a substitute for a just peace settlement between Israel and Palestine, but must instead go hand in hand with one. Yet the latest spasm of violence has made graphically clear that it will likely prove impossible to find a formula for a peace settlement acceptable to both sides, unless we find a common vocabulary allowing both peoples not only to feel secure, but also to have a sense of belonging they can share. The notion of “Two States, One Common Land” is the missing link needed to bring about genuine and lasting reconciliation.
But we need this guy. People listen to what he "says without saying anything". He was an AIPAC regular. He's got street cred.
I don't want to hang out and have a beer with him, I want him to help sway enough people, especially Jews who are so reflexively defensive of Israel, to think and change their minds. He changed and he's a voice to help provoke change.
Look, who are the hard-cores more likely to listen to? My humble opinion, we want him on our side to help cut a deal and get us out of the business of blowing up the Middle East.
"The chandelier halo over the head of their messiah?"
More like a Harpo Marx wig. Sure do wish he took on the silent act too.
The old "hold up a mirror" trick...
Truly great post Krauss, great points.
"Is AIPAC tweeting about that?"
Nope - they certainly don't "feel our pain".
It's brutal too. Gas was around $2 a gallon before the Iraq war. Pretty depressing.
AIPAC needed a different strategy since they felt the executive doesn't really want to go to war. Shove a bill down congress' throat and you force the president's hand.
Heck, I wonder if they'd vote to impeach the guy if he doesn't carry out a war that congress declares?
"Israel is the “bad guy” in a wrestling match: fighting dirty when the ref’s not looking but the audience is."
Hey man, don't insult the WWE like that ;)
Good one, I liked that.
Cardin is on the AIPAC bill. Pretty dissapointed.
My rep is Edwards. She's cool. The lobby's working big time to take her out. Hope she can withstand and thrive.
I was impressed when Van Hollen first won the seat. Yeah, it was rigged, but still... He stood outside the next day at the Takoma Metro station in freezing rain shaking hands and thanking them for their vote.
Now to be somewhat fair, he did try to speak out during the 2006 Gaza war, but he was smacked oretty hard by the lobby. He had to twist into a pretzel to "clarify" his remarks/letter, but he tried. Unfirtunately he was forced to lock heels.
Maybe so, but the heart of the post deals with someone who is being blacklisted for an opposing view and for expressing his feelings about AIPAC and the AIPAC led bill.
Desent from desent is cool, shutting desent up isn't. Forcing them to lose their job isn't either.
If you go to AIPAC's site, I think the word Iran shows up more times than the word Israel....
How sad, Ben Cardin signed on to this. He ran for the then open senate seat against Michael Steele by pointing out how he was opposed to the Iraq war. Sly, ain't he?
Can't afford it - we're giving 3 billion a year to you.
You're welcome.
Radical change is only good for Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria. Once you learn the rules and abide by the hypocrisy, you'll get along just fine....
Great post. I think it shows that no matter what, if someone has something they want to buy, there's always a work-around. Wasn't Saddam "illegally" selling oil to avoid the limits of the sanctions?
Hmm, I wonder what the reaction would be if the Mexican drug cartels moved away from the dollar.
"I don’t see how anyone could read that as anything but a statement in support of a one-state solution."
I can. These folks don't have, what is it they said Speedy Gonzalez had? Oh yeah, ze brains...
Remember, they came out with a statement that the Republicans were "friends of the negro", then sent out a correction because they mistakenly didn't capitalize the word Negro.
I can't wait for the "clarification"......
"So apparently most of you here do not think that the Palestinian fight against Israel is just because you are not willing to send your kids to fight it."
I speak for myself, AND I speak about just wars decided and fought by MY country, NOT by Israel, Palestine, etc.
You obviously feel the wars YOUR country fights are just, and YOU are willing to be in the IDF and are willing to live in a country where your children WILL serve and fight. My test is for MY country and MY children. Again, my opinion, if I am mot willing to send MY child to fight and die, it's unjust to ME.
And to call us SELFISH? You got some nerve buddy. Selfish people don't contribute to YOUR welfare state so you can have free universal health care, unlimited weapons and political cover.
When's the last time you Israelis fought a "just war" to save Libyans, Ruwandans, etc. Answer - NEVER.
At least Mr. Slater is an AMERICAN arguing about intervention by HIS OWN country. YOU argue about just/unjust wars based on an OTHER COUNTRY fighting that war.
Is it really "simple-minded" to realize that we aren't smart enough to play G-d, to decide who shall live and who shall die beyond our shores outside the scope of the laws of our land?
As far as WWII, many arugue that the causes for that war are a result of WWI, another war that we were involved in, and one where the outcome set the stage for the rise of Nazi Germany.
I'll pose a more "simple-minded" test for just war. Are you willing to send your precious sons or daughters to fight the "just war"? If you are not, it's not just. Put your chips (kids) in the pot. No need to send others on missions you're unwilling to do with your babies or yourself.
"Rather, it simply means that these states are following their own interests."
Bingo. They deal with Israel AND Iran. Trade with all that helps their citizens.
Luckily, we get to pay $5-$6 for a gallon of gas for America-hating neoconservative policies.
Why would they sanction a country that sells them valuable American technology?
Israel is our tarbaby, not theirs. Lucky ducks.
"Why would Ron Paul treat foreign policy any different that those newsletters he gave his unwavering attention and deep thought to?"
We're just sprayin' and prayin'. He's the only anti-war guy that's been able to raise the cash and get attention. Short of getting 100 lb. neocons into death-cage matches, we got nothin'. Besides, he's kinda sexy in the pictures Phil uses....
Look, the guy has some serious absolutist libertarian views, but four years ago he was on Meet The Press, and Russert got Paul into a masterbateriuous conversation about the civil war and how we could have ended it without 500,000 Americans dead, etc.
The guy said something that stuck. He said, "look, end the empire and you don't have to put anyone out on the streets". He said he knew he couldn't end social security, and the safety nets in place, but if we stopped bouncing all over the world blowing up countries we could stop people from wanting to blow us up and we could pay for our domestic programs.
Sounds like a pretty good compromise to me.
Dude, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Sometimes you have to get in bed with characters that have unsavory "issues" when you're dealing with politics.
I'd rather sleep with Paul than climb into bed for a threesome with the Kagen brothers.....
An antiwar leftist candidate will get slammed as a pussy American-hating leftist. I think we need to knee-cap the neocons from the right.
He needs to hit back, and hit back hard at the neocons exposing THEIR extreme racism against Arabs by the likes of Pam Geller and her cohorts. Put their words up to show how they're smearing Ron while they are racist to the core.
Gotta show the hypocrisy otherwise they get away with it. Preferably from the right/conservative point of view.
"As a Jew..."
Please, look who's the useful idiot. Israel shakes us down for cold hard cash right before Yizkor service when we memorialize our loved ones. I'm sure you've passed the bond card down the isle a time or two. I'd argue that makes you one of the useful idiots. Israel uses you for money and political cover, and your concern is not for American Jewry, but for Israeli Jewry.
Anyone such as yourself who blindly follows the pack is the real useful idiot. After all, without you, who else could take 3 billion a year in welfare from the mouths of us Americans?
Useful for Israel? Yes. An idiot for what you're doing to Americans? Yes.
Maybe you could be called a "WhateverJew". Whatever Israel wants, you say YES no matter what or at what expense.
asherpat said:
"Cos last time they met, the Jew beat the Palestinian!"
And David decapitated him, and pranced the head around before bringing it to the king. Then David doinked a married woman, got her pregnant and killed her husband.
Even your liberal neocon fake Newt Gingrich wouldn't do this, would he? But fake righties like asherpat of course thinks David's actions are defendable, and asherpat takes pride for acts such as decapitation. I'm sure you wear a star of David in his honor, right?
"...he personally serviced former President George W. Bush just days before the Israeli delegation came through."
Well there it is. If he was a real security threat, precautions were taken for a foreign government above one of our former presidents. But we know he wasn't a threat. It's rump-covering time.
As we see, it's been a one way love affair. Israeli Jews have contempt for us American Jews, yet they sure do love our money.
Good luck my friend, the neocons are butt-ugly. I wouldn't want to wake up next to one in the morning.
True Citizen.
I guess my point is similar to what Harry Markopolis said about Bernnie Madoff. Madoff cashed in on the whole, "Trust me, I'm Jewish, I wouldn't screw my own" thing when he took money from Jews and Jewish charities based on that form of trust. Israel is our Bernie Madoff.
Beieve me, I know every American man woman and child sacrifices for Israel at their own expense, and I'm deeply sorry for this. No American child in need should sacrifice for a wealthy foreign country.
Great link about the Irish, a very good read.
"Beinart is warning against what will happen if the two-state solution is not implemented. "
Bingo, pay the man...
Whether the opportunity has passed, he's arguing that the current path will not lead to success for Israel. Just a sad, sad situation. The Israelis took advantage of all the money and good will from us American Jews and threw it down the toilet.
Sacher sounds like a real macher......
Thank you, I'm here all week.
Now for the funny part of the show - Israel is helping to protect us! Ahahaha. How bass-ackwards. That's like saying the homeless guy is helping the shelter and the food bank.
We throw away 3 billion a year and provide an international political womb, and they're protecting US. Unbelievable.