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  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • The ''50 world leaders'' thing can't be true, can it? That's about a quarter of all nations on earth. And only a handful really have any influence.

      Why the foreign minister of the world's only superpower should spend his time calling ANY nations on behalf of an obnoxious little kip in the East Med is, of course, another question entirely.

  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      I was wondering the same thing. More sanctions? Really? I was considering visiting Iran a while ago, and found that it's impossible to book a trip there using Expedia or any other flight booking engine - gee thanks Washington. Iran is basically shut out of the global financial markets and Washington imposes hefty fines on 3rd parties who 'violate' laws they have nothing to do with. It's hard to see how sanctions can be tightened any further.

      All this, for a country which the USA is not at war with, and which has broken no international laws.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 22, 2015 at 5:21 pm

      Thanks for that, especially for the link to the article by Gareth Porter, who knows his stuff when it comes to Iran and the forces pushing for war against it.

  • Can we just retire the phrase 'relative calm'?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 22, 2015 at 6:27 pm

      He was also busy pontificating about 'free speech' following the Charlie Hebdo killings, in spite of the fact that a few years ago, he very vocally demanded the sacking of a cartoonist at the same magazine for alleged 'anti-semitic' writings.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 22, 2015 at 10:25 am

      It's not just the NYT. Yesterday the Guardian had a front page piece on this non-lethal attack, even though it studiously ignores deadly attacks on Palestinians. They also provided 'context' by listing all the attacks on Israelis by Palestinians over the past several months, with nary a word about the occupation, siege of Gaza or the almost routine killings of Palestinians by Israelis.

      Laughably, the Graun still gets accused of being 'anti-Israel'.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • I am not and never have been a fan of Obama, and think Philip Weiss is sometimes way too soft on him.

      However, I think this is a good move. It has the potential to expose the nefarious Israeli interference in American affairs. I think it will be great if it's made clear that the only ones fighting for yet MORE sanctions on Iran are the Israelis and their agents. The last thing lobbyists want is for their backroom scheming to be forced into the broad light of day, so hopefully that is what will happen here.

  • Gaza war blowback? Palestinian stabs 13 on Tel Aviv bus.
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 21, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      @Marnie

      It's called brainwashing. Or maybe ziowashing.

    • ''Attacking civilians is just not on or justified. ''

      Just think of it the Israeli way for a moment. Many if not most of the people on that bus had served in the terrorist IDF, so therefore are not really civilians. Most of them have sheltered IDF terrorists in their homes. The driver was likely an IDF veteran.The bus may well have been travelling close to the IDF HQ which is placed in the centre of the city, forcing residents to act as human shields. Therefore it was a legitimate target.

      You see? It's really not hard to justify attacks on civilians. You just need to think like an Israeli.

    • To the best of my knowledge, nobody on the bus died. Though given the media attention, contrasted to the silence when Palestinians are killed on an almost daily basis, you'd be forgiven for thinking mass slaughter had taken place.

  • The ‘hasbara’ tweeps who brought down Jim Clancy, and their ties to Israel and the Israel lobby
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 20, 2015 at 6:01 pm

      ''are israelis really this gullible?''

      Going by the online interactions I had with Israelis this summer, when they swallowed hook line and sinker the BS line about 'tunnels reaching under kindergartens' and how their army went out of its way to avoid civilian casualties but the international media was duped by the Khamas, then I would say the answer to your question is 'yes'. Though brainwashed might be a more suitable word.

  • Virulent, violent verbal tactics reveal Dershowitz as a bully, says fellow Israel advocate
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 20, 2015 at 5:55 pm

      ''My take is that Palestinian recalcitrance played a major role in the subsequent breakdown of the peace talks.''

      God damn those Palestinians! You steal almost everything from them and then they get sniffy when they're asked to 'compromise' by given up the teeny tiny little bits that you didn't manage to steal first time round.

      There was Israel just dying to 'make peace' and return to its internationally recognised bordered and those damn 'Pals' just had to go and spoil it all.

    • Interesting. So Bibi's enthusiastic role in the theft of Palestinian land and the mass murder of women and children didn't bother you, but you lost 'respect' for him because of his failed invitation to a thuggish US lawyer?

      You have your priorities, Jackdaw, and I have mine.

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  • US calls ICC decision to investigate Gaza 'tragic irony'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 18, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      Signed but not ratified, same as Israel. Signing the treaty is meaningless unless it is ratified.

    • ''we do not believe that Palestine is a state and therefore we do not believe that it is eligible to join the ICC. ''

      Since the US has not signed up to the ICC, their thoughts on the matter are about as relevant as those of the senile old woman who lives down the road from me. Rather less so, in fact.

      So please, 'Merca, do us all a huge favour and STFU.

  • Congress says possible Palestinian unity gov't must recognize Israel as a Jewish state in order to receive aid
    • It's just part of the game of adding extra conditions onto everything so as to postpone any solution. The PLO were led to believe that when they took the huge step of recognising Israel, that would lead to a state. Now, this recognition is taken for granted - although no Israeli politician has ever recognised a Palestinian state -- so another demand has to be tacked on. If the PA are daft enough to fall for it, and they may very well be, then something else will be conjured up.

      Maybe some outsiders should tell Obama that they'll only recognise the US as a white and Protestant state. See how he likes it then.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 12, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      ''Israel either makes it and becomes a fully normalized state in the region''

      Meanwhile, in the real world....

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 12, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      So when can we expect Western leaders to join in a gesture of solidarity for Dieudonne's freedom of speech? Or is freedom of speech only allowed for those they agree with?

    • ''Real unity is not “you are free to be equal as long as you kiss my shoe you kike f*ck”.''

      Unity? Why does Hollande have to express 'unity' with the leader of a minor Asian country with an appalling human rights record?

      Maybe, just maybe, Hollande was worried that Bibi would try to exploit a French tragedy to insult the French nation and shill for his colonialist squatter state? Nah, that would never happen, would it?

      '' Hopefully Le Pen or whomever from the UMP (Sarkozy?) replaces him in 2017.''

      Le Pen is from the same tradition of far right racists who would have been railing against the Jews last century. Now, their target is Muslims, but things change. These people are NOT your friends, but I guess for Zionists these days, anyone who shares their visceral hatred of Muslims is a friend of sorts.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 12, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      Exactly.

      It's amusing how Bibi keeps harping on about the threat posed to Jews by ''Islamic terrorism'', and in the same breath encourages them to move to a 'country' in the heart of the Islamic world.

      That makes sense, doesn't it?

    • And of course, the second they arrive in ''Israel'' they'll be assailed with warnings of the ever--present danger posed to them by kids throwing stones, about how they're surrounded on all sides by Arabs who want to push them into the sea etc.

      Israel is a safe haven when it suits propaganda purposes. When it does not, Israel is a tiny vulnerable strip of land in a sea of bloodthirsty Muslims.

    • Nice of Bibi to encourage the old anti-Semitic suspicion about Jews' loyalty - or lack thereof - to their nations. Mind you, both Bibi and his late predecessor Sharon have always reacted with glee to anti-Semitic attacks, especially in France, so this is nothing new.

      But Hollande was a fool to allow this event to be exploited by the likes of bibi. He should not have invited world leaders at all, and instead allowed the ordinary people of France to express their grief. What do the likes of Merkel or Cameron, let alone bibi, have to do with this?

      BTW was there any high level American present at the march? I don't believe there was. Interesting.

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 1:50 pm

      And if you look at the comments, it's all "Oh, they're only saying that for show. They don't really mean it'' and ''We remember those Palestinians dancing after 9/11" and so on.

      There's really no way for Muslims to win in these situations, is there? Even unambiguous condemnations provoke scorn, while Bibi gets to blatantly exploit the deaths of innocent people for his own wretched purposes.

      Hundreds of Palestinian and Lebanese children are murdered, and at best the West will cough up a 'both sides must exercise restraint' platitude. Arab leaders condemn far less appalling atrocities - a strange turn of phrase I know - unreservedly, but still it isn't enough. It never is.

    • ''The Palestine Liberation Organisation called for a public rally to be held in Ramallah on Sunday "in solidarity with France against terrorism."

      Ah the good old PA! Always eager to please and to show their 'moderate' credentials to the great and good of the West.

      In principle, I see nothing wrong with such a rally. However, given that France has all but criminalized pro-Palestinian protests in French cities, it's a bit ironic that the PA is sponsoring official rallies to show solidarity with France. Seems the 'solidarity' is a one way street.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 12:01 pm

      The academic and writer Will Self - don't know if anyone here has heard of him but he's well known in the UK - yesterday made the point that a satirical magazine really shouldn't be in the business of accepting money from the government. Aren't they supposed to be lampooning those in power, not taking handouts from them?

      link to channel4.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 11:57 am

      Ms. Hirsi Ali has never had an original thought in her life - except for her notion that Deuteronomy was a person and that Catholics have no concept of hell - so it's no surprise that tons of people have been making the same argument as she has here.

      I don't get it either. The cartoons were vulgar, infantile and gratuitiously offensive. They have the artistic merit of toilet humour. Why should anyone have to publish these ugly cartoons to prove they're ''in solidarity'' with Charlie? One can be utterly appalled at the Paris killings, and staunchly defend freedom of speech (including the right for the Sydney Morning Herald to publish this cartoon, even though it apologised for doing so link to honestreporting.com ) without having to publish those adolescent scribblings.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 11:29 am

      @Seafoid,

      OK So I forced myself to read a bit of Freedland's rant.

      ''Witness the Iranian newspaper that in 2006 responded to the Danish cartoons affair with a competition for “the best Holocaust caricatures”, as if the most efficient way to hit back at Europe was by attacking … Jews.''

      Eh....no. The point of the holocaust cartoons competition, vulgar and idiotic though it was, was to show the West's hypocrisy. It was basically saying ''OK so you think it's fine to trample all over our most sacred taboos in the name of 'free speech'. Fine, we're going to do the same with your most precious taboo - you know, the one that some o f your freedom loving nations ban all dissent about. See how you like it now.''

      Trust Freedland to miss the point.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 11:23 am

      @seafoid,

      I saw the headline for Freedland's latest Guardian screed, but didn't bother to click on it. More of the same, I'm sure - tribalism with a liberal veneer.

      Did you know Freedland is now the 'gatekeeper' for The Guardian's 'Comment is Free' pages? That tells you everything you need to know about the direction the Guardian's comment and censorship has been moving over the past few years.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 10, 2015 at 5:25 am

      ''Maximus, Charlie Hebdo fired the guy not because of any special treatment for Jews, but because the target had been Sarkozy using his Jewish roots.''

      That could be true, but the official reason given was 'anti-semitism'. I believe the writer later successfully sued the magazine for wrongful dismissal and got €40000.

      In any case, what's the point of a 'satirical magazine' if you can't offend the powerful? Isn't that why they're there, not to rile up some taxi driver in the banliues?

      '' If you’d go through past magazine covers of Charlie Hebdo, yiu’d see many many by which the floor gets wiped with the Jews and even the shoa too.''

      Is that true though? I had heard that they mocked Jews and other groups much, much less than they mocked Muslims, and in a much less gratuitously offensive manner.

      ''Mbala a racist himself having made a career of mocking the shoa, made the cover over 20 times.''

      I don't know enough about Dieudonne to have an informed opinion about his alleged racism. However, I do suspect that had his target been Muslims rather than Jews, we'd have the chattering classes praise him as a brave proponent of freedom of speech, and he certainly would not have had his career damaged. Same with John Galliano.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 3:43 pm

      Hollande has apparently called for a conference of various European countries including the UK and Germany (how much do you bet Israel will be invited?) to discuss further measures to prevent terrorism. Never mind that all 3 of the perpetrators of these attacks were well known to the police and could easily have been dealt with using existing laws.

      But no, any excuse to further curtail our liberties in the name of 'fighting terrorism'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      Is there ANY tragedy that Israel won't try to cynically manipulate for its own wretched purposes? They did it with 9/11, and now this. Israel's narcissism just can't help itself - it's ALWAYS about them.

      I wish Hollande had told Bibi to STFU and stop exploiting the deaths of innocent French men and women for his nefarious ends. And then slammed the phone down.

    • We saw a sort of similar situation with ''The Interview''. President Obama took to the airwaves to defend a film which made a joke out of portraying the assassination of a fellow head of state. If that head of state had been Netanyahu, would any cinema in the US have dared show it? Would it even have been made? One thing is absolutely certain - Obama would never ever have defended it as an example of 'free speech'.

    • Agree. The 9/11 hijackers were many bad things, but cowardly they were not. In fact, cowardly was about the last thing they were. And given that the Charlie Hebdo killers must have know they'd likely be killed - either on the spot or shortly afterwards, as now appears to be the case - then I wouldn't call them 'cowardly' either.

      I think it's a very American thing - courage is considered a Good Thing, and bravery its opposite, when in fact courage is a morally neutral characteristic.

    • The hypocrisy and self-righteousness surrounding this incident is astounding.

      This is the same France where a comedian, Dieudonne Mbala Mbala, had performances cancelled due to 'anti-semitism', and where fashion designer John Galliano lost his job at Dior for an - admittedly nasty - drunken rant in what he thought was a private conversation. And Charlie Hebdo, the same magazine being sanctified for its courageous stance on free speech sacked a journalist 5 years ago for a - yes you've guessed it - 'anti-semitic' article about Nicholas Sarkozy's son's marriage to a Jewish woman. One of the public figures campaigning for his sacking was the 'philosopher' Bernard Henry Levy, seen last night on TV pontificating on the virtues of free speech.

      It seems the 'right not to be offended' does exist, but only for certain groups. Offend Muslims in the most crude and deliberately nasty manner, and you're a hero. Offend Jews and you're a criminal. Which of course is not for one second to excuse the murder of the cartoonists - just in case that needed to be said.

  • Media obsesses over 'free speech' in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 6:34 pm

      Dabakr,

      If Charlie is an equal opportunity offender, as you claim, how is it that in 2009 they sacked a journalist for writing a supposedly 'anti semitic' article about Nicolas Sarkozy's son's upcoming marriage to a Jewish heiress?

      And could you provide recent examples of the ''many instances of offensive, racist and bigoted cartoon portrayals of Jews as well as Jewish Israelis''? Merci.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 1:06 pm

      How sensitive you are! You must of course have been truly horrified by 'Bibi's' rushing to exploit this tragedy for Israel's propaganda purposes.

      Weren't you?

  • Is Abbas’ war crimes bid against Israel a big bluff?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 8, 2015 at 1:11 pm

      My comment was a bit vague. What I meant was that it's in Israel's/America's interests to ensure the PA stays afloat, since it's basically Israel's West Bank security provider. For that reason, they will not cut off funding for long, since that would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not that such behaviour is beneath Bibi, of course, but even he must have advisers who will remind him that it's not in Israel's interests to have to fund their own occupation.

    • I'm pretty cynical about the ICC bid. It strikes me as just one more in a long line of 'pantomime' moves designed to give the illusion that the PA is something other than a Quisling organisation. The statehood bid 2 years ago was another such move. Similarly, the song and dance about withholding funds to the PA is another part of the charade: it makes Israel seem 'tough' and gives a smidgeon of credibility to the PA, but since these funds are really an extension of US aid to Israel, they will be quietly resumed within weeks.

      My guess is that Abbas will find an excuse to not ratify the Rome statute. Without ratification, signing the statute is meaningless. As far as I know, even the USA has signed, but not ratified the Rome statute. And this charade too shall pass, and the relentless conquest of the West Bank will continue.

  • 'You’re Shooting Like Retards': Rafah recordings reveal IDF’s Hannibal directive in action
    • You don't 'kidnap' a soldier engaging in military activities on your land.

      You capture - or kill - him.

      Perfectly legitimate behaviour during war time.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 3:59 pm

      Actually dabakr, it's a truism of guerilla warfare that when an extremely well equipped conventional army fails to - as you put it - completely destroy the enemy, that IS considered a victory. Let's not rewrite history - this was was not intended as a 'skirmish' to damage Hizballah. It was intended to annililate them as a fighting force. More than that, it was the first step in going to Tehran by the back door. Remember Condi Rice and her 'birth pangs of a new Middle East'? Talk about giving the game away. Not smart, especially when your idiotic little plan backfired live on TV.

      Oh, and I don't think this is simply a case of Hizballah not losing and achieving a moral victory. I think this was a victory, plain and simple. The IDF were shown up for the overrated momma's boys they are. Similarly, the comically overhyped Israeli intelligence clearly hadn't got a clue what was about to hit them - quite literally. The carcasses of Israel's cuddly Merkavas littered Southern Lebanon. The monster expected to be delivered following those 'birth pangs' was stillborn.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 5:41 am

      I also suspect this video was 'leaked' in much the same way that Kim Kardashian's sex tape was 'leaked'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 9, 2015 at 5:37 am

      In his brilliant book, ''Beware of Small States', David Hirst says the IDF had to resort to breaking in to grocery shops because 'start up nation' didn't provision their troops adequately. Asad Abu Khalil says local villagers could hear them crying in their tents at night.

      I believe most military analysts - as opposed to embedded journalists - consider the IDF to be vastly overrated. Same goes for Israeli 'intelligence', as Robert Baer said, its only outstanding abilities are in PR.

      The IDF is really more of an Apartheid police force than a real army. It's still dining out on victories won years if not decades before their current grunts were born, and then against fifth rate opponents. It hasn't won a war in nearly half a century.

  • Obama reported to be looking into settler attack on State Dep't officials, even as NYT buries the story
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      Hmmm.... I'm not sure. I sort of think Israel prefers Dahlan in a more beefed up version of his current role - behind the scenes thug/enforcer/fixer, rather than as official Puppet President.

      That said, Abbas ain't getting any younger, and his employers - Israel, the US, EU, etc - must be scouting around for a replacement. Not sure if it's Dahlan, but one thing is sure, it won't be the Palestinians who decide who should lead them.

  • Israeli settlers attack US consulate convoy in the West Bank (Updated)
    • ''demanding he immediately expel the American Consulate staff members who entered the Samaria village of Adei Ad Friday and threatened Israeli Jews with an M-16.''

      Not just Israelis, mind you, but Israeli JEWS. Got it?

      As for the next paragraph, if this was in The Onion, it would probably be criticised for being too far fetched.

      A nut case onto the nations.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 3, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      Here's one:

      ''It was not a visit to a Jewish community in the occupied territories because there is no such thing as occupied territories. Since that would imply that Israel is occupying someone elses country and the so called Palestinian Arabs have never had a country here. The only country they have is Jordan and they will soon all be living there.''

      And plenty of others about how dare Americans interfere with another country and enter 'Jewish land' pointing guns at Jews blah blah blah.

      Like I said above, Most Ungrateful Nation Ever. Nothing is ever enough. The more you give, the more is demanded, with never a word of thanks. A spoiled brat onto the nations.

    • Oh OK. Didn't know it was the settler rag of choice. And obviously it's in English so most of its readers are likely fanatic American settlers. So maybe not that 'mainstream' though I'm willing to bet that similar sentiments would be expressed by very many 'ordinary' Israelis.

    • Wow! The article is bad, but the comments are much worse. Here's one which sums up the tone:

      ''Too bad those Americans didn't get their heads blown off''

      Loads of complaints about Americans interfering in a 'foreign' country and how only Israel would have to put up with such crap. Then there's the bit about the Yanks 'pulling guns on Jews'. Never mind that they weren't actually in Israel to begin with, and that if guns were pulled at all - which the US consulate denies - it was in self defence.

      Absolutely incredible stuff. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ''IsraelNationalNews'' fairly mainstream? That is to say, these opinions are probably widely held in Israel.

      Just days after Kerry spent his Xmas hols working the phones to bully African nations on Israel's behalf, and this is the thanks they get? Seriously, how daft are Americans to put up with this? I think it was on this site where someone said that Israel's epitaph will be ''Israel: The country nobody could ever do enough for''.

      Quite so.

    • Of course, this will be hushed up and glossed over.

      Imagine if the attackers had been Palestinian, or from any Middle Eastern country other than Israel really. Obama would have officially condemned it live on TV. No hanging around waiting for video footage. No talk of 'concerns' or cooperation with the local authorities. It would be war. Perhaps literally.

  • Dershowitz named in lawsuit alleging abuse of underage sex slave
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 5:14 pm

      Interesting - thanks for the link.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 4:40 pm

      I think the Dersh and the Yorkster were specifically named in the lawsuit, which would explain the interest in them.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 4:39 pm

      ''Imagine how creeped out she would feel having heard this! Eeeewww. ''

      Didn't the 'actress' formerly known as Natalie Herschlag sign a petition in favour of dropping the charges against Roman Polanski?

      I wouldn't worry too much about her tender sensibilities.

    • Have Clinton and Gore actually been named in the lawsuit? I don't think they have.

    • If I say Avigdor Liebermann is fat, does that make me an anti-semite?

      Probably.

    • Sort of off topic, but on long, fast moving threads like this, the 'new post' function we used to have - whereby new posts were 'flagged' with a green heading - would be really useful.

      Any chance of considering it? Thanks for bringing back the 'edit' function btw.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      The comments are hilarious. Here's one:

      ''In the UK the news has been about the Duke of York's alleged involvement, with Prof. Dershowitz as a sideshow. However, there has been a suspicion that the Duke has been used to deflect the fact that this is really a smear campaign against the Professor.''

      This shows the bizarro world Zionists live in. As someone wrote above, compared to Prince Andrew, or others allegedly involved such as Bill Clinton or Tony Blair, the Dersh is a bit of a nobody really. Sure, he's well known to New York Times readers or those who follow Middle East affairs, but he's nowhere near being a household name. I'd bet that even in the US, the vast majority of people wouldn't recognise his name or face. Yet we're supposed to believe the Queen's son is being used simply to get at the Dersh? But why?

      Oh yeah, silly me, I forget. It's all an elaborate anti Semitic plot. How could I forget?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 4, 2015 at 11:36 am

      Not sure what to make of an article which drops a clanger in the very first line:

      ''Prince Andrew, second in the line of succession to the British crown''

      He's actually fifth in line, after Charles, Harry, William and baby George. The birth of the next Saxe Coburg tax dodger will push 'ol Andy further down the line.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Told you.

      We really should have started that countdown.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 3, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      Given that the Dersh was a prof at Harvard, thereby being in a position of power over lots of young female students, I wonder if this story will prompt some women to come forward with allegations of sexual harassment? He wouldn't be the first prof to abuse his position in such a way.

    • Are we going to start a countdown until the moment the Dersh attributes these allegations to 'anti Semitism'?

      Can't be too long to wait.

  • David Brooks says 'people from around the world' can serve in Israeli military
    • Seems the hopster has left the building.

      Shame really. I had so many questions in search of an answer....

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 2, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      ''It is not an ethnic militia. There are Jews, Arabs, Druze, Christians, and others in the IDF.''

      Could you give us a rough estimate of the % of non-Jews serving in the IDF? It would be interesting to know if these numbers are roughly in proportion with the fact that about 2O-25% of the Israeli population is not Jewish. A list of the names of those non-Jews serving in the highest ranks would be particularly helpful.

      ''The Egyptian and Jordanian armies are ethnic militias more than the IDF is.''

      Could you elaborate? AFAIK, both of the above armies are open to all citizens, not just those of one ethnicity. Nor do they accept recruits from any part of the world, provided they are ethnically correct, which of course is what the IDF does. What particular 'ethnicity' are you suggesting these armies exclusively represent?

    • I honestly think hophmi has this fantasy about the IDF sending in hit squads, complete with handsome, thoughtful trained killers as in Spielberg's 'Munich', heroically saving Jews the world over from 'mass murder'. Kind of like a kosher Superman.

      Honestly, I really do think this is a daydream of his. Unless he can explain otherwise?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 2, 2015 at 2:39 pm

      I take it hophmi would approve if the US army were to recruit only among Christians and/or white citizens, specifically excluding ethnic or religious minorities such as Jews?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 2, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      Yes. America is a highly militaristic country with an idealised view of the army. So the idea that someone would prefer to serve in the military of a non-alligned foreign country on the other side of the world, rather than serve in the US army, really doesn't go down well. Even right-wing types who might be expected to be pro-Israel won't be happy about that, regardless of what they think of 'the world's most moral army'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 2, 2015 at 2:12 pm

      ''Progress being the mass murder of Jews that will take place when the IDF is dismantled.''

      Oh, hophmi, you are good value! As the true horror of Israel becomes more and more impossible to ignore, so too your posts become ever more maudlin, whingy and fantastical. I'd call it desperation.

      BTW, since you believe that the only thing guarding against the 'mass murder of Jews' is the glorious IDF, can we take it that you are a veteran of said organization? I mean, tiring out your little fingers here on Mondoweiss is all very well and good, but hardly really counts as heavy lifting now, does it?

    • An army which is open to non-citizens - provided they are of the 'right' ethnicity - but which closes it's rank to roughly one fifth of its own citizens because they are of the 'wrong' ethnicity, is not a national army in the commonly understood sense of the term, but an ethnic militia.

  • 'Spiral,' 'threat,' 'polarization,' or 'full-scale popular campaign for Palestinian freedom' -- reactions to the ICC move
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius January 2, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      All the major British parties are in the pockets of the various 'Friends of Israel' groups, so Britain is a lost cause, even if the people often disapprove of their government's stance. Other European countries are not such reliable allies for Israel, however, and an ICC arrest warrant is rather different from someone threatening a form of 'citizen's arrest', as was the case with Livni a few years ago.

      Were there to be an ICC arrest warrant out for an Israeli politician or soldier, I can't see them daring to travel to any ICC signatory nation - ie most of the Western world, except the US. Israel's status as a pariah onto the nations increases every day.

  • Palestinian resolution fails at the Security Council, U.S. votes against 'staged confrontation' at the UN
    • ''The now totally discredited US can veto again and again, but with the EU, India, China and Russia on the Palestinian side,the US can do little to protect Israel from an internationally brokered solution ''

      I'd love to agree with you, but I just can't. The EU has been making noises about 'reining in' Israel, but several of its members - including permanent UNSC member Britain - will veto or at least abstain from any UN resolution remotely favourable to Palestine. India and China have both been moving closer to Israel in recent years.

      Unfortunately, I have to agree with Henry Norr. The PA actively wanted this resolution to fail, so as not to embarrass the Yanks into a veto. There is no possible alternative explanation as to why they insisted on the vote now, with US puppets like Rwanda and South Korea on the council, rather than wait a matter of days for much more friendly nations like Venezuela and Malaysia to lend their support. Never underestimate the perfidy of the PA.

  • Updated Security Council resolution calls for East Jerusalem as Palestinian capital, Israel says UN creating 'second Hamastan'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 31, 2014 at 5:52 am

      JustJessetr,

      It's a bit hard to take you seriously when you can't even get the name of the ship at the centre of the case correct.

      FYI, it's the Mavi Marmara, not the 'Mavi Mamri', whatever that is.

    • Surprise surprise - not - Britain has said it will not support this resolution because it does not address ''Israel's security concerns''. As though a supremacist state built on someone else's land has the right to security.

      And that's how it always is. No proposal is ever 'moderate' enough to convince the great and good of the West. Nothing can ever quite assuage the 'concerns' about ''Israel's security'. The time is never quite right for Palestinian statehood. Something else is always a higher priority.

      When are the Palestinian 'leaders' going to learn that Western politicians are NOT their friends and that no amount of pandering will ever be enough?

  • Caroline Glick says there were no Palestinian refugees
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 29, 2014 at 7:05 am

      dabakr

      ''why would i lie to the likes of you about a Meshaal speech which he has made over and over and over again in arabic ''

      All people are asking for is a link to the speech or a transcript thereof, preferably to the original Arabic, so that those readers fluent in Arabic could tell us exactly what Mishaal said or didn't say. Not a big ask, is it?

      ''and slightly altered versions for western consumption?''

      Ah, so we're back to Arafat and the ol' ''he says one thing in Arabic for his fanatic domestic audiences and another in English for the civilised West'' line. Thing is, I don't think Mishaal speaks any language other than Arabic, nor does he make speeches for 'western consumption' so other than try to revive the old ''Arabs are duplicitous' slur as outlined above, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.

      Obviously, all of this will be cleared up when you link to the 'many times' Mishaal has said what you claim he said. Over to you.

  • Happy holidays from the IDF
    • I honestly thought this was a photo from a parody account.

      But it isn't.

      Seriously, imagine the reaction if a Palestinian militant were to tweet a photo of himself breaking the Ramadhan fast while wearing his military attire. The Israelis would leap on this as 'proof' that just about everyone and everything in Palestine is a legitimate target, and the next time a mosque in Gaza was bombed, we'd be reminded of that photo and how, for Arabs, religion and violence were inseparable blah blah blah.

      No wonder the dude in this photo doesn't dare to show his face.

  • 'Israel is becoming an isolated ghetto,' says Amos Oz
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 23, 2014 at 10:25 am

      @Bornajoo

      Agree completely.

      I'm also one of those who takes a certain grim satisfaction out of the fact that Israel's ugliness is now being unambiguously revealed to the world. The likes of Herzog or Livni will not make life one tiny bit easier for the Palestinians, but they will take some of the PR heat off Israel, as they are experts at delivering the 'moderate' spiel, which will allow Israel apologists to say how 'reasonable' and 'anxious for peace' they really are. Not.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 22, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      The word 'eruption' implies a natural phenomenon over which humans have no control. All they can do is prepare as best they can for the inevitable destruction these 'eruptions' will cause.

      Perfect choice of word for a 'liberal Zionist' - it subtly but neatly absolves Israel of all blame. After all, who can argue with a force of nature?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 22, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      ''Even Amox Oz, held up as a paragon of human rights and justice, has descended into a right wing biggot.''

      Sooner or later, all 'liberal Zionists' have to face this choice. Either they follow Ilan Pappe or Shlomo Sand and give up on Zionism altogether, seeing it as the inherently anti-liberal, anti-human ideology it is, or they cast off the 'liberal' mask and show their true anti-Palestinian faces. For the latter, see Benny Morris and Amos Oz.

  • Why is a retired neurosurgeon 'awed' on his first trip to Israel?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 21, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      Well, we had at least one Israeli come onto these pages during the summer massacre and say how proud he was of how Israeli society had not fallen apart under the intolerable, unprecedented strain of having their beach barbeques interrupted and trips to Thailand put on hold for 2 whole days when Ben Gurion was shut down.

      Every Israeli should be given a medal for endurance, if you ask me. Every darn one of them.

    • ''impressed by the resilience of people living in a perpetual conflict zone''

      Ugh. How utterly vomit inducing.

      Let the good doctor ask his Israelis handlers to allow him to go to Gaza - not that they would ever consent - if he wishes to see resilience and a conflict zone. Israelis don't know the meaning of either term. They honestly and sincerely believe that taking selfies while waiting in the bomb shelter amidst the trauma of having to miss the second half of Costa Rica vs Holland constitutes 'resilience'.

  • What's he texting in the bomb crater?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 21, 2014 at 5:13 pm

      ''next time we will start pounding Gaza''

      Maybe it's just me, Oleg, but it sounds almost as though you're rubbing your hands together with glee at the prospect of yet another massacre.

      Can we predict your wishes will come true just in time for the elections, eh Oleg? After all, 'pounding' Arabs has always been a sure fire hit with the Israeli electorate, has it not?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm

      Tell us more about these state of the art kibbutz-seeking mortars, Jackdaw. That's some technology from a besieged territory. Did those dastardly Iranians help out with the latest in kibbutz sensitive weaponry?

      BTW it's always amusing - in a sick sort of way - how those who shrug their shoulders at the targetting of hospitals, homes and UN schools think the alleged targetting of a kibbutz - with no casualties - is totally beyond the pale. What's so sacred about kibbutzim, Jackdaw?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 20, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      Who even knows when and where this photo was taken? There's no date stamp.

      All that being said, please join me in a minute's silence for the poor plant killed in this heinous attack. Barack Obama is right at this moemnt preparing a speech from the Oval Office to condemn this unprecedented violation of plant rights.

  • NY Times says a Palestinian majority would 'endanger Israel's democratic ideals'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 20, 2014 at 1:55 pm

      ''Many Israelis worry that will lead to a Palestinian majority, thus endangering the country’s democratic ideals and Jewish character. ''

      Oh, cry me a river! If the thought of their little lalaland being swarmed by the Arab masses keeps Yossi and Ayalet up at night, why didn't they push for a two state solution when - maybe - there was a chance? None of these 'liberal left-wing Israelis' have ever lifted a finger to prevent the spread of the 'settlements' which have rendered any 2 state solution impossible, yet now they are fretting about how their Jewish Disneyland might have its ethnic purity sullied?

      And yes, the casual racism is indeed stunning. Imagine if anyone in the US, or Britain, or France were to say that theirs is a Christian state, and x number of Jews would endanger its democratic ideals and Christian character? There would be uproar, and rightly so. But for Jewish Israelis to openly speak of the 'demographic threat' posed by granting equal rights to non-Jews, that's perfectly reasonable.

  • On eve of University of California honor, Bill Maher defends anti-Muslim hate speech in Vanity Fair interview
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 22, 2014 at 5:09 am

      Ah yes, Irshad Manji, how could I forget? Well, given that she has never said anything remotely interesting and just exploited the anti-Muslim hysteria post 9/11 to enjoy her 15 minutes, maybe it's not that surprising I've forgotten her name. So has everyone else it would seem - she seems to have sunk without trace, no?

      And yes it is indeed amazing that a woman who thinks Catholics don't have a concept of hell, or that Deuteronomy is a person - and I speak of Ayaan Hirsi made-up-name - is held up as an authority on Islam, or any other religion.

    • ''Maher claims he has “two” “Muslim” “friends” but after all he’s spewed about Muslims over the years, we don’t really know what that means. ''

      My guess is that Maher's 'two Muslim friends' are:

      - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
      - That Canadian woman who enjoyed her 15 minutes a few years back with her ''let me and my impeccably progressive lesbian pro-Israel credentials tell you how backward and dangerous we Muslims are''.

      Sorry, I can't remember her name.

  • Palestinian UN effort seeks to set 'terms of reference' for negotiations and promote shift away from US leadership
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 17, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      Hmmmm..... to me, the words 'fulfills the vision' essentially make this a fluff resolution. It doesn't say 'implement' or 'establish' two separate states, but merely 'fulfill the vision' thereof - which means essentially nothing.

      Every single word in a UNSC resolution is there, or not there, for a reason. And the reason why this resolution speaks of 'fulfilling visions' rather than making things happen is that it will not change a damn thing, nor is it intended to.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 17, 2014 at 6:50 pm

      Germany is not a member of the security council and of course is known as being VERY 'sensitive' about Israel. There is no way in hell they would put their name to anything being seen as remotely 'anti Israel'.

      I suppose my point is that there was a quite servicable proposal from a neighbouring country - Jordan - on the table, but the European powers just had to interfere to water it down and make it more palatable for the last remaining European colony in the Middle East. I've become extremely cynical about the European powers - they were never exactly pro-Palestinian, but there was a time when they were definitely less bad than the Americans. Now, they are hard to distinguish.

    • Seems pretty toothless to me. The usual vague blurb about 'both sides', complete with meaningless verbs like 'urge', 'look forward to', 'encourages'. No consequences for Israel if it doesn't abide by the resolution.

      Then we have this:

      ''OP1. Affirms the urgent need to attain, no latter than 24 months after the adoption of this resolution, a just, lasting and comprehensive peaceful solution that fulfills the vision of two independent democratic and prosperous states, Israel and a sovereign contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security within mutually and internationally recognized border;''

      ''Fulfills the vision''? What's that supposed to mean? Is this a cosmetics ad or a UN resolution? Is there actually any difference between the two?

    • ''a French version with input from the United Kingdom and Germany. ''

      Seriously, what the hell? What have three European countries got to do with the Middle East? What business is it of theirs?

      Could you imagine if, say, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt were to draw up a UN resolution concerning a dispute between France and Germany? They'd be laughed out of it. That's the white man's privilege, I suppose.

  • US feels the heat on Palestine vote at UN
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 16, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      '' The Israeli public, like Lieberman, understands that the Palestinians will never agree to the kind of subjugation they are being offered.''

      Do they though? I think that would require a level of perception and sensitivity which most Israelis seem to lack. I don't think most Israelis even think Palestinians are being 'subjugated' at all. They reckon Palestinians are doing OK for themselves - or would be if they weren't foolish enough to vote for 'terrorists' - and should be grateful to Israelis for allowing them to exist on 'Jewish land' at all.

      I think the Israeli public, like Moshe Dayan, are happy enough to live with the solution of no solution. They would happily continue with the current situation indefinitely - ie, with the Palestinians more or less under control, the occasional outburst aside, and with the rest of the world wagging their fingers, but doing nothing of substance to rein in Israel. For your average Yossi, what's not to like? I think most of them refuse to ask themselves any hard questions, such as how long can such a situation endure. History would suggest not very long, but Yossi prefers to see himself as a victim, tell himself that the Iron Dome is more than an expensive US funded toy, and that all is well.

      It isn't.

  • Collective punishment of 1.8 million human shields in a prison -- Newsweek dares publish the truth of Gaza
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 14, 2014 at 6:24 pm

      Yes, and lets not forget that Israel was of course an enthusiastic supporter of the Apartheid Regime in Pretoria, though they like to airbrush that out of their history, like so much else.

      Just as nowadays, nobody will ever admit to having supported the South African regime - including some white Saffers, the vast majority of whom DID in fact happily support Apartheid - some day it will happen that nobody will openly admit to having supported Zionism. Thankfully, the internet will make it less easy for them to whitewash their past.

    • What's interesting about this piece is that there wasn't the usual almost obligatory attempt at 'balance and backpeddle' - ie, all the official Israeli denials and 'explanations', as well as 'balancing' details about the terror inflicted on Israelis by having their beach barbeque interuppted by sirens.

      If anything remotely positive is to come of the Gaza massacre, maybe it is that it is simply no longer possible to be a defender of Israel in polite society. I don't believe the Gaza assault was a game changer in the sense that Israel stooped to new lows - it in fact did nothing it had not done many times before, in many parts of the Middle East - just that it is now impossible for Israel to hide its criminality, a criminality which is supported with glee by the huge majority of its Jewish population.

      I've always said the day will come where admitting to be a supporter of Israel will be akin to admitting to supporting South African Apartheid. Maybe that day is coming.

  • PA considers ‘re-defining security coordination’ with Israel in wake of Palestinian govt minister death
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 12, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      ''He is not going to prejudice these crucial upcoming meetings with an abrupt termination of security arrangements with Israel, which can then be politically manipulated against him by Israel and the US, who are pretty much standing alone in support of Israel’s policies.''

      I'm with Walid here, as usual. I don't buy these kind of excuses.

      No matter how supine Abbas is - and he is certainly the most supine Palestinian 'leader' in history - the Israelis will always have an excuse to condemn him. Even now, days after a minister was killed by the IOF, Bibi is blaming Abbas for 'incitement' which led to a harmless attack on the Israeli embassy in Athens.

      Abbas can't even travel outside Ramallah, within the territory he ostensibly controls, without the explicit permission of the occupation authorities. Time not only to suspend 'security cooperation' with Israel - the 'security' is only for Israeli squatters anyway - but to dissolve the farce that is the PA.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 12, 2014 at 1:49 pm

      And there we go with that word again.... 'incitement'.

      In the real world, actions have consequences, and unpleasant actions tend to have unpleasant consequences. In Zio-la-la-land, however, any reaction, however minimal, to decades of murder, land theft and ethnic cleansing, is simply 'incitement'.

      Always, always the victims.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 12, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Maybe it's just me, but I keep hearing the word 'incitement' over and over again from hasbaroids these days. It seems that reporting, or protesting against, any form of Israeli violence is 'incitement' and should be condemned, while the violence which led to the 'incitement' mustn't be mentioned.

      A bit like how during/after the Gaza war, all the hasbaroids - including at least one regular here - were far, far more concerned about factual reporting of the massacre - which of course was 'incitement' - than they were about the killing of children and the wiping out of entire families.

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 11, 2014 at 11:26 am

      Yeah, you're probably right.

      Just shows the absurdity of the post Oslo notion that the PA 'control' the OPT. A Palestinian - and a PA minister no less - is dead, with the suspected involvement of the occupation forces. And yet the Palestinians still have to beg the Israelis to attend an autopsy. What a sick joke.

      BTW having said that I don't take seriously the PA threats to end their Quisling style arrangement. It's all bluster. They have too much invested - in every sense of the word - in maintaining their position as Israel's West Bank lieutenants.

    • A question: Why the hell was an Israeli doctor permitted to do an autopsy? The dead man was not Israeli, and his death did not take place on Israeli territory. Do Palestinian doctors get invited to autopsies of Israelis in Israel? Of course not.

      So now even autopsies have to be 'balanced' to prevent any accusation of being 'anti-Israel'. It's as though the PA are saying that they are not trustworthy and that the result of any Palestinian autopsy has to be confirmed - or not - by the White Man.

    • As always in such situations, it's instructive to imagine a role reversal.

      Just think for a moment about what would happen if an Israeli minister was killed in a 'clash' with armed Palestinians. Hundreds of people would be arrested within hours, homes ransacked, and several killed. The West Bank would be under - even greater - lockdown. Obama, Cameron, Hollande et al would loudly and unambiguously condemn the 'barbaric attack against the Middle East's only democracy'. The Guardian would have a minute by minute live blog with comments allowed, instead of the oh-so-cautiously worded piece they dare to publish on this. CNN, the BBC, Sky News etc would have rolling updates with prominent coverage. And so on and so forth.

      But when the dead man is a mere Palestinian, and the alleged killers are the Israeli occupying forces, all we can hear is the sound of crickets. Reminds me of the silence when a Palestinian-Jordanian judge was murdered by Israel a few months back. Again, just imagine the reaction if an Israeli judge were killed by Palestinians. We'd never hear the end of it.

    • I was wondering the same thing, Annie.

      Plus, how can he definitively say something did not happen, simply because he did not see it, or claims not to have seen it? This was a chaotic, fast moving event with about a hundred people present, by the journalist's own account. So unless he had his eyes fixed on Abu Ein the whole time - and why would he? - there's no way he can know for sure that he was not hit by a soldier.

    • Well, if a 'reliable Israeli journalist' quoted by Anshel Pfeiffer said something, it MUST be true.

  • Mamdani's 'holistic' challenge: Anti-Zionists must persuade Jews they can only be safe by dismantling the Jewish state
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 10, 2014 at 5:32 am

      ''Israeli Jews only have to look around them to see Arabs cannot live in peace with each other. The Arab hate of fellow Arabs is only exceeded by the Arab hate for the Jews.''

      Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that the above is true.

      Surely it proves that a - The establishment of a Jewish state in the midst of the Arab world was a monumentally stupid idea, one of the most catastrophically idiotic actions of the last century.

      And b - that Israel, surrounded by all that implacable murderous hate, is surely doomed.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius December 9, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      Well spotted!

      It's amazing how he has said straight out that anti-semitism is a GOOD thing - provided that it encourages more Jews to help correct the 'demographic problem' that's keeping Israelis awake at night with angst over the birth of yet more Palestinian babies. Zionism in a nutshell indeed. Anti-semitism isn't a bad thing in and of itself, it's merely a tool to help Zionism.

      All that said, I'd be really interested in evidence for the claim that '' french Jews are arriving there by the hundreds every month.'' Not that it really matters - the entire Jewish population of France could up sticks for Israel, but it still ain't gonna save Zionism.

  • Poster questioning Zionism makes her feel 'unsafe', Wellesley student says
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 25, 2014 at 12:13 pm

      I've seen this before but it never gets old. Did this little fool have any idea who she was dealing with? Did she really think her usual tactics - saying ''Oh I'm Jewish and I'm SO offended so you MUST stop it!'' were going to work with Finkelstein? I love when the camera keeps panning back to her. She wasn't expecting that, was she? She must be mortified that she ever opened her silly little mouth.

    • ''Reason enough?''

      Yeah, sounds like mob rule to me. So because x number of people say something is 'offensive' that means it is? You don't have to give a reason or argue your point, just say ''I'm offended by this'' and that's enough? Well, it has been for Zionists thus far I suppose.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 25, 2014 at 5:52 am

      Annie,

      Concern trolling is all the rage among hasbarists at the mo - Richard Silverstein had a piece about it. Oh, we're SO sorry about all those children killed in Gaza! If only Khamas didn't use them as human shields and fire rockets from schools, they'd be alive today. I fully support the Palestinian people freeing themselves from the oppression of Khamas.

      But with people like this young woman, I do think her 'concern' for Palestinians is genuine.... up to a point. She's young and naive, and probably brainwashed by a Zionist family from birth. She probably really does think that because she worked in a clinic in Ramallah for a few months, that shows she really really cares. Of course, the reality is that her 'concern' for Palestinians lasts only as far as they do not threaten the Jewish supremacist state. That's why she's so 'uncomfortable' with posters like this. It forces her to question everything she's grown up with, and to acknowledge the fact that the Israel she supports is the very antithesis of the 'liberal values' she also claims to believe in.

      link to richardsilverstein.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 24, 2014 at 5:53 pm

      What does that even mean? ''Peace through health care''? So she went on some juncket to some clinic in the West Bank for 2 months, and is back full of all her aery fairy ideas about ''co-operation'', ''friendships across barriers'', 'dialogue'' etc. Occupation you say? What's that?

      She sounds like she really hasn't got a clue.

    • ''she sounds, confused.''

      Yup. So she's '' pro-Palestinian, pro-Israel, Zionist''? Eh? In another generation, she might have been pro-Apartheid, pro-RSA, AND pro-black.

      But when push comes to shove - or even at the slgihtest provocation such as this - these 'liberal' Zionists show their true colours. They want to be patted on the back for being 'pro Palestinian' and are so smug in their little bubble that they don't know how to cope when that bubble dissolves.

      And yes, she is a baby. So she feels 'uncomfortable'? Deal with it, sweetheart. Isn't political debate supposed to make you feel uncomfortable, to challenge your preconceptions? Wouldn't be much point otherwise, would there?

  • Israel lost the British elite after Gaza onslaught, UK ambassador says
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 25, 2014 at 8:16 am

      So a 'newspaper' which is one of the many mouthpieces of House of Saud is now the source of forward looking analysis, is it?

      It's amusing how Zionists have all fallen in love with the Saudis. Not so long ago, their spokesman were writing lurid books about 'Hatred's Kingdom''. All it takes is a few pro-Zionist editorial and SO much will be overlooked.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 25, 2014 at 8:12 am

      @Straightline

      Not one of these is a front bencher. In fact, though I live in the UK for part of the year, the only ones whose names I even recognise are Corbyn - a well known anti-war activist - and Kaufman.

      So I still maintain that not a single major UK politician condemned Israel by name. If you can find an explicit and unambiguous condemnation of Israel by a minister or party leader, I'll happily stand corrected. But I monitored their statements pretty closely during the war, and all we got from the likes of Miliband, Cameron, Hague etc were explicit and unflinching condemnations of Hamas, with the usual ''Israel has the right to defend itself but must show restraint'' platitudes.

      ''The tide has turned in the UK – next hopefully Australia. ''

      I wish I could agree but I just can't. See also the above mentioned fact that none of the parliamentary party dared to show their faces in the recognition of Palestine debate.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 23, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      ''People like Osborne will mouth the platitudes .''

      It's a bit more than 'mouthing platitudes', sadly. Remember the vote on recognising Palestinian statehood last month? Not ONE member of the parliamentary party attended. Many - including in Labour - complained that it was 'unfair' that they were being asked to vote on such a motion at all. Also, Britain continues to trade with Israel, run its foreign policy in the region largely on Israeli/US interests, and will never ever vote 'yes' on any UNSC resolution critical of Israel. So it's a bit more than a few soundbites for the media, unfortunately.

      ''but the ground is shifting and if it is politically attractive to change tack they’ll do it''

      Perhaps, but the fact remains that it is NOT politically attractive for UK politicians to be anything other than slavishly pro-Israel. Like I said, other than Warsi, not a single front bench politician dared to condemn Israel this summer. If you're saying that UK politicos don't have any great love for the East Med kip then I agree. But it scarcely matters. There are lots of political incentives for them to 'support' Israel, and absolutely none for them to support Palestine. That may change at some point, but there's no sign of it happening any time soon.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 22, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      ''And it is made even more interesting by the fact that Israel has this desperate neediness alongside the limitless cruelty. Please love us. ''

      I think that was true - and probably still is true among the dwindling of self-styled 'liberal' Israelis - but I reckon more and more, with Israel rapidly shedding its 'liberal' veneer for all the world to see, Israel has become a Millwall onto the nations. Nobody likes us, we don't care.

    • Seafoid,

      Snow has always been a critic of Israel. His demolitions of Mark Regev are the stuff of YouTube legend, and he has been guest of honour at functions for the MAP - Medical Aid for Palestinians - charity. The Gaza massacre didn't change his views. Also, Channel 4 News is considered 'leftist' and doesn't represent the British 'elite.' If you look at the rest of the mainstream British media - the BBC, Sky News, all the major newspapers - they are all terrified of that phonecall from the Israeli ambassador. Even The Guardian, which is laughably accused of being 'anti-Israel' is little different form the NYT these days.

      The political class is the same. As many as 80% of the Tory parliamentary party are believed to be card carrying members of 'Conservative Friends of Israel' and it's not much different among the other major parties. With the exception of Baroness Warsi - who resigned her post - not ONE major UK politician condemned Israel by name during this summer's slaughter. Not one. But they all rushed to specifically condemn Hamas and at most 'urge Israel to show restraint'.

      Among the UK people, the situation is very different, as it so often is. I think there used to be some post-holocaust sympathy for Israel, but that is withering away. During the massacre this summer, I was pleasantly surprised at the universal disgust for Israel I encountered everywhere. At demonstrations, we recieved support and encouragement from passersby. The 'elite', however, are a whole other story.

  • First they came for the Palestinians . . .
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 22, 2014 at 8:00 am

      As far as I know, Niemoller's words were never put to paper by the man himself, so nobody is certain what the order of victims in his poem was. However, you are correct in saying that Communists were the first victims of the Nazis to be rounded up, so it is more likely that the poem began ''First they came for the Communists''.

  • Netanyahu's 'battle for Jerusalem' can't end well for any of us
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 22, 2014 at 8:25 am

      The words of ''Zahrat al medaen'' were written by Said Akl, a Christian Lebanese 'Phoenician'' poet - ie as far from a pan-Arabist or Muslim extremist as it's possible to be. The music was written by the Rahbani brothers, who were Christian, as of course, is the great Fairuz herself.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  • Israel sows despair and senseless violence
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius November 19, 2014 at 10:38 am

      It now seems to be routine for Israeli police to shoot Palestinians attackers on the spot. In this case, there may have been a good reason, given the extreme violence they were inflicting. But we had the same thing with the alleged hit and run drivers a few weeks ago, and with the man who supposedly shot Glick.

      When you see this, you can understand why Israel's intelligence is so lousy. Instead of interrogating the suspects and getting valuable information from them, you shoot them on the spot? Real clever.

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