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  • American Voices: What lies ahead for the rocky US/Israel relationship?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 27, 2015 at 4:46 pm

      That's my understanding too. The US has no formal obligations to Israel. It's all bluster about 'eternal friendship' - in one direction only - but nothing set in stone.

  • In Israel, the mask is finally off
    • That is the question.

      Israel is an extraordinarily dangerous place. The combination of nuclear weapons, an enduring, illogical sense of victimhood, a 'fuck you' attitude to the rest of the world and a captive population of racially despised underlings is explosive, to put it very mildly.

      So what to do? No easy solution presents itself, but one thing is certain, the world cannot go on holding Israel's hand and pandering to its every whim and tantrum. When you've got a psychopath with a gun, you don't fret over his 'feelings'. You take the gun off him. Then you can deal with his 'trauma'. But not before.

  • Washington 'sits shiva' for the 2-state solution
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm

      This highly selective outrage is the essence of 'liberal Zionism'. If they devoted one fraction of the anger they express at Bibi's 'betrayal of the soul of Israel' to getting enraged about murder and land theft, them maybe their precious '2 state solution' just might have been possible. But no, they sat back and made excuses while Israel bombed civilians from the sky and stole their land day by day, dunam by dunam. And they think we didn't notice?

      They had their chance and they blew it, time and time again. There will be no '2 state solution'. Tough.

    • ''What also angers us is the dishonesty shown clearly by Netanyahu’s panicked election disavowal of the two-state solution,''

      You gotta love the Israeli 'centre left'.

      They were not angered by the massacre of 2OOO civilians in Gaza

      They were not angered when their dear leader, Tzipi Livni, did something similar a few years ago.

      They have never been angered by the relentless theft of Palestinian land, continued with enthusiasm by another of their leaders, ex Housing Minister Isaac Herzog.

      But no, they are 'angered' by Bibi's 'dishonesty'. Priorities, priorities.

      The 'centre left' have never advanced the cause of justice for Palestine by one milimetere. Quite the contrary, they have been up there with the best of them in killing, harassing and theiving from Palestinians. The 'centre left' have had their chance, many times. And they have failed. Enough of that. One state, one person, one vote. There is no other way.

    • Yes. We don't need nudge and nuance. We need sanctions and international isolation.

    • As often, I think Phill is being a bit too over optimistic and too easy on Obama.

      Nothint in his words indicates any substantive change on America's love in with Israel. The welfare cheques will keep being written, Samantha Power's hand will keep flying up to veto UN resolutions, a blind eye will continue to be turned to the deaths and mistreatment of Palestinians.

      A few words mean nothing to people in Gaza or Jenin.

  • The liberal Zionist lament: Joe Klein and Jodi Rudoren try to explain away Israeli racism
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 12:32 pm

      Maybe the reason she hasn't succeeded in converting to Judaism is because the rabbis weren't too impressed when they found out that she thinks Deuteronomy is a person?

      True story.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 11:54 am

      Ugh. A quote:

      ''The Somali-born Hirsi Ali, 45, also reportedly criticized President Barack Obama as naïve in his attempt to negotiate a nuclear arms deal with Iran, arguing that Muslims equate compromise with shame, and that Islamic extremists must be defeated rather than accommodated.''

      Can anyone tell me what qualifies Hirsi Magan to offer opinions on the Iranian nuclear talks? She has no knowledge of the region other than her bumper sticker generalisations. ''Muslims equate compromise with shame''???? WTF? So one fifth of the world's population is incapable of compromising? This woman is an 'academic'?

      If Magan wrote this type of shit about Jews, she'd never have been granted a visa to enter the US, let alone attain celebrity martyr status.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      Exactly.

      It's the same as the 'holocaust uniqueness' nonsense. As the late Peter Novick put it - can't remember the exact words - essentially the likes of Wiesel et al are saying '' Your suffering, unlike OUR suffering, is ordinary.''

      The narcissism and victim mentality of certain sectors of the American Jewish 'community' is deeply unpleasant. Transfer that narcissism to a garrison state armed with nuclear bombs and lording it over a subject people, and who can be surprised at the horrors of Zionism?

  • Why did Herzog run scared? He fears the Israeli people
    • I agree. I do think Phil is being too generous to Herzog. He was basically another Ehud Barak. He'd go through the motions of 'peace negotiations' but has never ever had any intention of a 2 state solution or anything approaching justice for Palestinians. He's been in politics for decades, and so has had plenty of opportunities to campaign for Palestinian justice, if that was what he believed in. Clearly he does not.

      I think we need to get away from thinking in terms of this or that leader. The problems with Zionism are systemic, not down to this guy or that guy.

  • Bill Maher justifies Netanyahu's racism by saying U.S. has done much worse
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm

      Indeed. So he spent 5 minutes in some Tel Aviv bubble and considers himself an expert on what ''Israelis want''? Never mind that what chic Tel Avivians tell visiting US celebs what they want, may not be what they actually want, but realy he should have visited Ariel or Mea Shearim to get a bit more of a balanced view.

      But these are tough times for those who have long hid behind the myth of liberal Zionism. The pretence that Bibi is some aberration who will soon go away was never convincing, but is now completely absurd. The Israelis have shown us what they want, and it ain't peace.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 7:08 pm

      ''He can’t rationally accept the nightmare that Zionism has created in Israel, so he projects his hatred onto the “other,” in this case, Arabs/Muslims.''

      While that MIGHT work for an Israeli or even a US Jew who had been brainwashed by Zionism from childhood, I don't think it'll cut it for Maher. AFAIK, he's not Jewish at all, but a non practicing Catholic - please correct me if I'm wrong. So if he's a Zionist it's because he CHOOSES to be one. He's got no particular stake in that fight. He reviewed what he believes to be the facts and came down very firmly on the side of the country that killed 5OO kids this summer. That's not a 'very good person' in my book.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 10:09 am

      I'm not American and I really don't know much about Maher other than what I read here.

      However, from what I do know, I agree with you. Maher seems to be an unashamed bigot. You can't be a ''very good person'' if you believe certain people deserve fewer rights in their own country simply because of their race or religion. A good person would believe that all human beings are equal, regardless of race or religion. By that standard, Maher is far from being a 'very good person'.

  • Netanyahu's victory marks the end of the two-state solution
    • Aggressive? Yes, maybe in the way a kitten is aggressive.

      No to BDS - except in the most watered down form - no to armed resistance, no to travel bans.... in short, no to anything that might actually make a difference. Back to the same old shyte about Israel's 'right to exist' , 'peaceful protest' - but not BDS mind - and the farce of the 'peace process'.

      The likes of Beinart and Freedland remind me of that Japanese soldier in the jungle, who still thought WWII was being fought 1O years after the ceasefire. Out of touch is putting it mildly. Don't these people realise that their ship has long since sailed?

  • UN backs away from including IDF on list of children’s rights violators after pressure from Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 11:23 am

      ''The Israelis allegedly warned of serious consequences if a meeting of UN agencies and NGOs based in Jerusalem to ratify the recommendation went ahead.''

      But what ''serious consequences'' could Israel inflict?

      My guess is that the calls came not from Jerusalem, but Washington.

  • New York Times published piece about Netanyahu’s racism, then rewrote all of it
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 7:16 pm

      I swear you could almost feel the breeze from all that Freedland-esque hand wringing over the 'soul of Israel'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 7:14 pm

      And the thing is... He STILL hides behind the lie that a '2 state solution' is possible!

      Still. Even now.

      I do think libzios of Freedland's generation are a lost cause. They have been so deeply indoctrinated in the cult that there's no way out for them. They have far too much to lose, psychologically speaking, if the facade of the Zionist dream comes crashing down. So they must maintain it at all costs, however daft it makes them look.

      Nice to see that most of the comments were sensible. I find it goes one of two ways with CiF threads: either the hasbrats get a heads up and infest it from the start, or they're pretty reasonable. This was one of the latter, even if there's been a belated rearguard action from the usual suspects.

    • It's been interesting to read the British version of the NYT - The Guardian. Poor Jonathan Freedland had to scrap the editorial he had prepared ready to roll the morning after Herzog's triumph - full of gush about ''a new dawn'', ''a brave choice'' and '' both sides must be ready for painful compromise''.

      Instead, stunned at the blow to his dream castle image of Israel, it's taken him several hours to come up with this predictabIe piece of mourning over the damage to - yes, you've guessed it - Israel's ''image''.

      link to theguardian.com

  • Who can save Israel now?
    • Sick, isn't it? Not even Obama would congratulate Bibi personally, but the EU is telling this criminal to 'count on us'.

    • @wjjones

      I think what the jeffster is saying that, so long as Palestinians give everything they've ever had to Israel, and learn to cal them 'sir', then there really is no need for any unpleasantness.

    • ''Israelis have never indicated they want a strained violent relationship with Palestinians.''

      You're right of course jeffeeee beeee.

      Other than stealing their land, evicting hundreds of thousand of them, destroying their lives, killing them regularly and taking periodic turkey shoots at their homes and schools it's probably true that Israelis have never indicated they want a strained violent relationship with Palestinians.

      What's a bit of ethnic cleansing among friends eh, jeffy bee?

    • ''It was a change election, ''

      No. It never was.

      Let's look at the alternatives, the hopey changey figures. First up, we have Yitzak Herzog, who greatly expanded the 'settlements' during his time as Housing Minister, who denounced Bibi for being too 'soft' during the Gaza massacre, and who openly said Israel will keep most of the settlements. Alongside him, we have Tzipi Cast Lead Livni, butcher of Gaza, who was reveaIed in the PaIestine papers as turning down the most generous offer possible.

      This is 'change' in Israel? No. Or if yes, only in style, not substance. If all these flag waving dorks wanted change so much, where were they when Gaza was being bombed in their name? Not in Rabin Square, that's for sure. No, they were back home fretting about the 'soul' of Israel.

      Zionism is not reformable. Not by Herzog, not by Livni, not by anyone.

    • True. This has just added another layer to the denialism they wrap themselves up in. Already we've had the ''Bibi didn't really mean it when he said there would be no PaIestinian state'' even though he's on record as saying the same thing for years. Then there's the notion that this was all the result of so many poor IiI Israelis living in 'fear'. Would such an excuse ever be offered to the people of Gaza, living every day in infiintely greater fear?

      Even so, it's going to be harder and harder for libzios to maintain the fraud. They were hoping and praying for a result that would allow them to pretend that there was a kinder, gentler Israel just waiting to get out, and instead they got King Bibi.

      Soon, just maybe, they're going to have to acknowledge that Bibi is Israel. There is no liberal Zionism. This is the reality.

  • Netanyahu won. Now what?
    • Did JVP unambiguously and unconitionally condemn the Gaza massacre?

      Does it endorse BDS?

      Does it accept that Palestinians have the right to resist occupation - by violent means, if they so choose?

      Forgive me, but I'm rather cynical about these 'voices for peace' which, when push comes to shove, are only really concerned about the 'soul of Israel'.

    • Excellent article, which describes what I believe to be the inherent pathology of Israeli society. Deep down - or not that deep down - it's all about how the world hates the Jews, and that therefore nothing Israeli Jews do really matters. Everyone will hate them anyway. Combine that with an obsession with 'security', lording it over a captive people, and 2OO nuclear weapons, and you have got one hell of a scary mix. A veritable witches' brew.

      This leader or that leader is really neither here nor there. That said, a Netanyahu victory has been the least worst option. Now it's up to the rest of the world to decide how to deal with a country which has yet again voted in an openly racist leader who has made it quite clear that the occupation should last forever.

      Over to you, world.

  • Israelis go to the polls today--and nobody knows who will win (Updated)
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 4:49 am

      ''I can be wrong, but so far the sanctions are hardening the Israelis and not softening them.''

      You most definitely are wrong. Firstly, there are no sanctions against Israel, though there should be. Just a grassroots BDS campaign which thus far has only scratched the surface.

      Secondly, your logic betrays the usual libzio nonsense about how Israelis are so sensitive that we have to pussyfoot around them.... or else we might 'harden' them. Please. Israelis have had several years of almost cost free occupation. Only a handful of civilians have died as a result of the resistance in the past several years. The occupation had so little impact on your average Yossi's life that it was barely even an issue in the elections. And how did Israelis respond to this unprecedented 'peace'? By imposing a sadistic siege on Gaza, bombing it every 2 years, and going even futher to the extreme racist right.

      And you're worried that a few consumer boycotts might 'harden' these poor dolls? No. It's the non stop mollycoddlling of Israel, this idea that you can destroy the lives of millions and still not pay a price, which has 'hardened' Israelis. They've been pandered to quite enough, I reckon. Time for something new.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      More to the point: should she be serving in an occupation army? Not that women actually do much in said army, other than pose for girly pics and accept gifts from Garnier. All PR, like so much about the Zionist entity. So, the flowing locks don't matter - it's not like these girls will be battling on the 'front line', or what passes for it in Israeli massacres.

      And I think you're being generous with her age. She looks about 12 to me.

  • Why I hope Netanyahu will be crushed tonight
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      ''Also it appears that the Arab coalition list leader says he will join with herzog to prevent netanyahu from forming a government. ''

      That's all very well and good, but has he been asked? Didn't Herzog explictly rule out any coalition with non those who don't keep kosher?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      I've heard the same shrugging off of Bibi's comments. ''So one guy says something in the heat of the moment and you tar all Israelis with it?'' Never mind that this 'one guy' has been the dominant figure in IsraeIi poIitiics for nearly a quarter of a century and is likely to be reelected PM yet again.

      This type of 'reasoning' never stopped them from going on and on and on and on about what 'one guy' - who's no longer even in power - said about 'wiping Israel off the map' a full decade ago. Never mind that he didn't even say it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 12:20 pm

      Yeah, I think 'libzios' are so desperate to undo the years of Bibi inflicted damage to their precious self image that they are exaggerating the chances of a 'leftist' win. I don't claim any expertise in Israeli party politics, but from what I've read, the most likely outcome is still that Bibi remains PM, albeit in a weaker position than before.

    • Tzipi Livni was the architect of the 'Cast Lead' massacre. She was also recorded, in the Palestine Papers, as turning down an offer from the PA which included everything but the kitchen sink - and maybe that could be thrown in too.

      Isaac Herzog complained that this summer's massacre wasn't 'tough' enough. During his tenure as Housing Minister, he greatly expanded the settlements, nearly all of which he has said Israel will keep.

      These people offer NOTHING except more colonialism and brutality. If Herzog becomes PM, fully expect another killing spree in Gaza within months, as this mild mannered administrator proves he's man enough to lead Israel.

      However, because he speaks nicely, and knows to be polite to his American betters, he will be regarded as the great white hope, and we'II be back to the 'no partner for peace' nonsense.

      In short, a Herzog government will be a complete disaster for the Palestinians, even more so than the status quo. Forza Bibi!

  • Fans of Barcelona basketball team show support for Palestine despite attacks on free speech
    • Not so long ago, FCB invited 'kidnapped' Israeli tank gunner Gilad Shalit as a guest of honour at the Camp Nou. They also invited the actually kidnapped Palestinian footballer Mahmoud Sarsak to 'balance' the invite. Sarsak, to his great credit, refused.

      FCB are not on the side of the angels here.

      link to electronicintifada.net

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      You're possibly too young to remember the extensive sporting boycott against Israel's partner in the 'war on dark people'. I mean, of course, Apartheid South Africa. But go on, walIow in your ''Why are you picking on poor lil baby Israel'' victimhood.

      link to inminds.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      I find that claim very hard to believe, tbh. The Catalans are going to allow agents of a foreign state to police their stadium? And of course, by appearing in a very public forum, with TV cameras and thousands of mobile phones, they are effectively outing themseIves and making themseIves targets.

      I know the Mossad aren't nearIy as sIick as they're made out to be, but this is beyond even their stupidity.

  • 'We aim to shape the democratic and moral alternative in this country' -- an interview with Ayman Odeh
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:22 pm

      ''What if Herzog and Obama joined hands in Ayman Odeh’s peace march? What if the Israeli crowd grew as enthusiastic for change as Congress was for Netanyahu? The die-hard racists left mutedly muttering on the sidelines?''

      What if pigs fly?

      It will not happen. 98% of Israeli Jews supported the Gaza massacre. Never forget that.

  • Selective voting in the land of Greater Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 14, 2015 at 4:09 pm

      A 2 state solution can practically never happen either.

      Why?

      There is no way in hell Israel can uproot hundreds of thousands of squatters, many of them armed fanatics, without risking civil war;

      As the great David Hirst has said, Zionism has always veered towards its most extreme direction. Israel will never be satisfied with their legally defined borders;

      How to link Gaza and the WB? Unless they have a physical link, Gaza will remain a '3rd state';

      The two states would be just too small and resource poor to exist as independent nations;

      There are probably more reasons that I can't think of right now, but Israel has simply made too many enemies to ever exist long term as a nation state. It's either one state or no states. The '2 state solution' is a chimera.

  • Netanyahu flails against int'l conspiracy, as liberal Zionists seek orange revolution against 'fading strongman'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 14, 2015 at 6:25 am

      '' Yossi and Yossita.''

      Yossita?

      seadfoid, you're a hoot. I'd pay to see you do standup!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 13, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Exactly. With Bibi, the penny was jusssst starting to drop. Even 'libzios' could see what a hidious place Israel was. Of course, they would stilll use the excuse that N'y wasn't the 'real Israel', but as time went on, and Bibi remained in power, pulling out the cartoons and insulting precious Western leaders -- much more precious than kids in Gaza - then it became harder to ignore the horrible reality.

      But if Herzog is PM, it will turn out as you say. We'll be back where we were a decade ago, with talk of 'generous offers', 'painful compromises' and what have you. Been there, done that. Forza Bibi!

    • Funny how the NYT never bothred about the 'settlements' before, but now that they see them as a tool to use against someone who upsets their smug little libzio self-image, they suddenly discover them?

    • The more I read, the more I want ''Bibi'' to win, awful as he is.

      If Herzog wins, the self congratulatory tripe from the 'libzio' brigade will be nauseating in the extreme. ''Orange revolution''? They really haven't got a clue, have they? They're voting in an election in the ''Middle east's only democracy'' not staging a 'revolution'.

      What is it about Isrealis that every thing they do has to be magnified a hundred times over? So when a rocket knocks the tile off a roof in Sderot, it's an 'existential threat', and when they go out to cast a vote it's a 'revolution'. What a parochial little place start up nation is.

  • 'J Street' leader promotes Israeli 'change' coalition that could include politician who called for beheading Arabs
    • You are not splitting hairs at all. You are absolutely correct in saying that Psaki, like all people in her position, does not choose words accidentally, and you are also correct to say that she has NOT condemned Evet Libermann's words.

      Note also how she used the plural 'statements' to refer to Liberman's incitement. What other statements does she have in mind? Followed by ''We would reiterate our call to avoid provocative actions and rhetoric such as this'' the obvious implication is that the 'other side' is also making such 'provocative' statements, when that is not the case at all.

      All things considered, the usual mealy mouthed obfuscation. If this had been an Iranian FM making such comments about Iranian Jews, the White House wouldn't have waited to be asked about it. Obama would have personally issued an unambigous condemnation within hours, and the mainstream media would have never shut up about it.

  • We may not have Netanyahu to kick around anymore
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      ''I see Zionism more as a Dick Cheney minus the warmth and charisma.''

      Now, THAT made me laugh out loud.

      Your comments alone make me love Mondoweiss!

    • From what I've read, Iran simply isn't an issue for most Israelis. They're most concerned with the same sort of things people everywhere are concerned with - housing, jobs, welfare benefits etc.

      Certainly, the suffering of the Palestinians doesn't seem to be at the forefront of their minds. It's as though it were on the other side of the world. So long as Yossi has a job to go to, who cares about Gaza/

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      Classic Freedland indeed. Note how he gives credence to the 'Jordanian option' but backs away - mainly because he doesn't want to inflict more Palestinian human waste on the Hashemite monarchs he, like all Zionists, is so in love with.

      He really is a piece of work. And he's worse now than then.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      But that would involve powers of introspection that most Israelis simply do not have.

    • Richard Silverstein has said that Herzog has explicitly ruled out any coalition with an Arab party. I wonder if that would change if he needed them badly enough? If so, I hope they charge a high price.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 2:28 pm

      I don't think that's an option, is it? I mean that Cast Lead Tzipi might be PM? I thought Herzog was the senior partner in that alliance?

      Anyway, should be interesting to see the horse trading, even if means nothing for the Palestinians. If what both you and I have been reading is correct, then it seems that Bibi will still be PM this time next week, albeit in a weaker position. So maybe the libzios should hold back on popping those champagne corks for the moment.

    • Despite all the libzio gushing over a 'new dawn', the analyses I've read suggest that the most likely scenario is that even if Labour get more seats than Likud, Bibi will still remain PM as he's more likely to be able to cobble a coalition together.

      Let's see.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:39 am

      ''Zionism needs to hurt badly before anyone in the Knesset other than the Palestinian MKs joins the reality based community.''

      Again I agree, seafoid.

      The reason there is almost universal support for expansionist Zionism in Israel is because it is virtually cost free. Oh sure, there are such outrages as having to miss the Holland-Costa Rica penalty shoot out because of a bomb alert, but Israelis really don't know what htey're talking about when they whine about being 'victims of terror'. With Bibi, there was just starting to be a cost for the occupation - increasing international isolation, the rise in BDS, and probably worst of all for those who think they belong to a sophisticated 'start up nation', the embarrasment of being led by a man who communicates via cartoons.

      If Herzog is elected, they can all feel a nice warm glow about having such a polite, reasonable and oh-so-moderate PM. And then it's back to blaming the Palestinians all over again. Not that that ever stopped, but with Bibi, it's getting harder to do so.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:26 am

      I agree, and I'm kind of surprised that some people here seem to think it can.

      Especially when the 'liberal' alternatives are Livni and Herzog. Seriously?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:25 am

      You think that Herzog, who complained that Bibi wasn't being tough enough during the Gaza massacre, whose tenure as Housing Minister included massive expansion of the 'settlements', who has ruled out an alliance with Palestinian parties and who has never ever opposed any of Israel's wars, sieges and killings, is a 'De Klerk'?

      I would say he's another Olmert. If he is elected, I fully expect another Gaza massacre within months, just to show us he can cut it with the big boys.

    • My thoughts exactly.

      The Peter Beinarts and Jonathan Freedlands of this world are praying for a Herzog victory. It won't improve things for the Palestinians one bit, but it will allow them to feel good about supporting racism again. It's all about them, you see.

    • ''Myself I will cheer to see Netanyahu’s back''

      While I will of course take some schadenfreude out of seeing Bibi dumped, if indeed that does come to pass, I've explained on another post why I hope he is re-elected. A Herzog victory will only galvanise the moral hypocrites known as 'liberal Zionists', set the merrygoround of 'peace talks' off again, allowing Palestinians to be blamed for their own occupation, while at the same time watching the expansion of the 'settlements' and the ongoing siege and regular turkey shoots in Gaza.

  • UC Berkeley Israel group wants to ban imaginary word rhyming with intifada as 'triggering, terrifying'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      In my first reply, I referred to jeffieb as 'Yonah' by accident.

      An easy mistake to make, given the verbosity and sheer head scratching incoherence of his - lengthy - post.

      Oh, and he's OBSESSED with BDS, which is great. Probably has nightmares about it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      Not just a great country.

      OBJECTIVELY a great country.

      I mean, it's so obvious that everyone is in awe of a country which lives off foreign hand outs, bombs its neighbours every few months and couldn't survive a single day without stuffing a jackboot in the face of an occupied people.

      Why can't you see that, Mooser? Everyone else can. Especially jeffie b. That's why he made 'aliyah' as soon as he could, just to partake in all this gloriousness. Oh, wait....

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:32 pm

      Not even Yonah?

    • All those dumb rag heads..... living in an environment for centuries and yet had no clue how to make it anything but a 'shithole', till those clever folks from Ukraine and Poland, obviously experts in managing desert climates, put things to rights.

      A bit like how none of those dullards in the region knew how to deep fry a chickpea until someone came from Lvov and kindly gave them the recipe for that well known Jewish delicacy, felafel.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:19 pm

      ''I’m making up historical nonsense? You can go to Israel today and see relics all over the place from Judaea. There are tens of thousands of archeological relics and documents attesting to Judaea. You are escaping into total fantasy.''

      For someone so pedantic about the meaning of 'state' you're making a bit of a fool of yourself if you want us to think that the existence of '' tens of thousands of archeological relics and documents attesting to Judaea'' means that Judaea was a 'state'. Obviously it was not. The concept didn't even exist until a few hundred years ago.

      ''They have big Israeli flags in their places of worship. They donate to Israeli causes. They have family there. They visit. They follow the news there. ''

      So what? I follow the news from Israel. That doesn't mean I have any tangible connectiosn with it. And some Jews CHOOSE to put flags or donate to 'charities'. Some non Jews do the same. Some Jews don't. These are choices people make. It's not at all the same thing as stating that all American Jews have some innate connection to Israel.They do not.

      ''Most Chinese have very few tangible connections to one another the Chinese are still a people. ''

      Very poor comparison. The Chinese people speak Chinese - or their ancestors did - have a common origin in China and share - or their ancestors shared - a similar culture. Jews have none of this. The only thing they have in common is religion. They are no more a 'people' than Buddhists or Protestants are.

      ''Of the 3.5m visitors to Israel annually 28% are Jewish most of that from the United States.''

      They don't stay long though, do they? Can't blame them. Life in a prosperous liberal democracy has to be a lot more appealing than life in an autistic garrison state.

      '' If collectives take collective action then Israelis / Jews can take collective action for or against Palestinians.''

      What the hell? A Jew in New York can take collective action against people on the other side of the world, simply because he/she is a Jew? What a tribalist you are.

      '' I’m in favor of of harming Iran because Iran is an enemy of the United States. I’m in favor of Israel harming Gaza because Gaza is an enemy of Israel. ''

      And.... here we go. The millions of people affected by sanctions and siege become simply 'Iran' and 'Gaza', yet when even a tiny fraction of the same is discussed with regard to Israel, it becomes 'collective punishment'. Again you prove that it's impossible to argue for Israel withotu indulging in grotesque double standards.

      ''As a member of the West I’m opposed to the West destroying Israel because among other reasons Israel is a friend of the West''

      Well, I'm a 'member of the West' too - whatever that means - and Israel ain't no friend of mine.

      ''As for BDS being less harsh than either of the above. That’s not all the case. Most BDSers support a ferocious blockade. Individuals differ. But they often advocate a total ban on travel and trade. They often seek a total ban on cultural interchange of almost any type. Something much closer to the sanctions regime imposed on North Korea. And they quite often quite openly seek complete economic collapse. That’s in a society whose advanced economy is absolutely necessary to maintain a food supply above 800k-1.4m people’s worth. Now they often don’t put 2 and 2 together and openly say they seek the deliberate and premeditated death by starvation of 90% of the population of Palestine. One could perhaps excuse them being thoughtless and stupid since they often don’t understand economics and there is a difference between rhetorical flights of fancy into genocidal rhetoric and an actual policy of genocide''

      You made that up.

      Every word of it.

      Must be a strange little mental world you live in.

      Just amazed you haven't long since departed for the lalaland you profess such love for.

      Your bizarre meanderings would seem quite normal there.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      ''The praise that Israel receives is because it objectively is a great country. The Jews came to the poverty stricken, malaria infesthed shithole that was Palestine, and in 100 years with constant opposition from the natives they’ve created a first world country there with a living standard on par with European countries. They came to revive the glory that was Judaea has instead in a century have far surpassed anything the Herodians could have dreamed of. ''

      The only possible reaction to this absurd little brain fart is to wonder why, if Israel is so 'objectively great' and 'glorious', Jeff B hasn't packed his bags long ago.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      Plus, what exactly is 'their own state'?

      Would an American Jew not consider the US to be his/her 'own state' because people who are not Jewish also live there? Is the same also true for members of other ethnic groups who live in multi-ethnic states, which is what most states in the world are?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 12:30 pm

      ''I think you mean state. You are confusing nation and state ''

      No. I mean nation. Why is the United Nations called just that, and not the 'United States'?

      ''y calling themselves Jews (i.e. Judaeans) they have mostly chosen to identify with the ancient state of Judaea and its modern successor Israel.''

      I'll overlook the made-up historical nonsense - Judeaa was never a 'state' nor is Israel a 'successor state' to anything - but if American Jews CHOOSE to 'identify with' a minor Asian state, that is, as you say, their choice. Very few of them have any tangible connections with the place. Most would never live there and many have never even visited. So any 'trauma' they feel, or claim to feel, is through their own choice.

      ''As for “would hate to live” Israel is a pretty nice place to live.''

      Sounds like a parochial, hate infested kip to me. And ain't it funny how all these US Jew'identify with' Israel, yet choose to steer well clear of it? Certainly, few Jews with other options have chosen to take up residence in Israel.

      ''Which is inconsistent with the entire BDS paradigm. If individual are the only thing that exists then Palestinians can’t collectively suffer, they can only individually suffer their individual problems. Similarly Israelis can’t collectively induce that suffering.''

      You're quite obsessed with BDS, which wasn't even mentioned in this discussion until you did, repeatedly. That's great!

      And your logic is faulty. Israelis, as a collective, vote for the governemnts which torment Palestinians, serve in the army which kills them, and live off the fruits of occupation. There are exceptions, but they will generally support BDS, just like genuinely anti-Apartheid white South Africans supported sanctions.

      Intersting to see you are so implacably opposed to all forms of boycott though. You must be thoroughly against the sanctions on Iran, not to mention the siege of Gaza, since you are obsessed with a form of boycott which would, even in its most extreme form, be far less harsh than either of the above.

    • ''I’m not Yonah. ''

      Sorry, must have been the incoherence in your post that made me confuse you two. And now you've gone and added to the confusion by not responding to the right post, so who can blame me?

      ''Part of being in a nation is identifying with that nation.''

      And American Jews, being in the nation of the US, should identify with that nation, surely, and not an Asian nation of indeterminate borders which most of them have never visited and would hate to live in?

      ''While not Israeli, they are cousins. ''

      I've never heard of the concept of being 'cousins' with a nation on another continent. Are they also 'cousins' of the 2O% of Israeli citizens who are Palestinian? Does their suffering 'traumatise' these Californians too?

      '' In much the same way that I by being an American am tied to “the western powers” including those I’m not part of.''

      No, you're not. What a silly thing to say. You can only be responsible for your own actions, not those of others, certainly not of other countries.

      ''I understand. ''

      I don't think you do. The rest of your post is a stream of consciousness non sequiteur.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:03 am

      Thanks for missing the point, Yonah.

      The Zionist hoodlums are saying that Jews in California are 'traumatised' by events in Israel, simply because they are Jews, and therefore have to be protected from such hateful words as 'intifadah'. In other words, it's fine to simply say that American Jews are automatically linked with Israel, when the desired result is to pain those Jews as victims and thereby delegitimise criticism of Israel. However, the very same people would be squealing about 'antisemitism' if anyone were to suggest that American Jews should also feel guilt over Israeli war crimes, simply because they are Jews.

      Personally, I don't think either is true. I don't think Jews in California are 'traumatised' by the intifadah - unless they've been brainwashed to think they should be - but nor do I think they should be held accountable for Israel's crime, simply because they are Jews. So my position is consistent. I doub the same could be said for the Zionist hoodlums above.

      Clear enough, Yonah?

    • ''But for the Jewish community, it immediately sparks memories of death, destruction, and some of the bloodiest scenes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.''

      So what they are saying is that members of the ''Jewish community'' feel deeply involved with a conflict on the other side of the world, which few if any of them will have personal experience of. In other words, simply because they are Jews, they automatically feel connected with events in Israel.

      Does that only apply when the connection is with perceived victimhood? In other words, if someone suggested that all members of the on campus ''Jewish community'' were somehow stained by Israeli atrocities, would that be OK? Or would the NYT be writing articles about the ''surge of antisemitism'' if such a thing were suggested?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      So you had to go all the way to South Africa to find an 'antisemitic' comment eh?

      Meanwhile, in the Middle East's only democracy, a Moldovan nite klub bouncer advocates the beheading of his own fellow citizens.

      You have your priorities, jons, and I have mine.

    • ''Din'' means 'faith' in Arabic. Law is something like ''adal'', though I'm prepared to be corrected on that by any of the Arabic speakers here.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 1:54 pm

      ''Jewish students have the right to feel safe at all times ''

      These fools really are beyond parody. So the use of a WORD makes them 'feel unsafe'? WTF? Their self obsession and desire for victimhood knows no bounds.

      '' But for the Jewish community, it immediately sparks memories of death, destruction, and some of the bloodiest scenes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.''

      What the.......? Firstly, very few American Jews have first hand memories of the intifadah. They may choose to 'identify' with people on another continent because they share a religion many of them don't even practice, but it's not like more than a tiny minority of them suffered as a result of it. Most of them would have been pretty young during the last intifadah, and not even born during the first, so how can they have 'memories' of it? Oh yes, I forgot. American Jews are a 'traumatised' community so the rest of us have to pussyfoot around them in case they might burst into tears, like that silly girl in the Norman Finkelstein video.

      The word ''Israel' brings up connotations of violence, misery and ethnic cleansing for many Arab students. Should we ban it too, in the name of an 'inclusive' atmosphere?

  • Neocon meteor Sen. Cotton is funded by Abrams, Adelson and Kristol and loves war a little too much
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm

      ''For me, this is a huge deal. Clinton was supposed to be this AIPAC-friendly hawk and here she is selling them down the river.''

      I'm not sure if it's that, exactly. It's just that the arrogant AIPAC fools badly overplayed their hand. They forced Hilary, and other Democrats, to do something they have never had to do before - to publicly choose between Israel and their own party. And even the most cravan Israel lackey, which Clinton is, had no choice but to defend Obama.

      This is where the lobby slipped up, badly. They have at long last brought their nefarious workings into the harsh light of day, and made Israel a bipartisan issue. As Julia Roberts might say. Big mistake. Huge.

  • On first campaign stop in West Bank, Netanyahu warns that 'radical elements' want to take over Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 9:38 am

      ''If we disapprove of militarism, authoritarianism, colonialism and racism why be cheer-leaders for militarists, authoritarians, colonialists and racists?''

      That is about as willfull a misreading of my post as is humanly possible.

      You seriously think that Herzog - who in his long political career has supported the conquest of Palestine in every way, and who complained this summer that Bibi was not being hard enough on Gaza - is NOT a 'militarist, authoritarian, colonialist and racist'? Are you telling me that Tzipi 'Cast Lead' Livni - is NOT a 'militarist, authoritarian, colonialist and racist'?

      I repeat my question: In what way will a Labour victory improve the lot of the Palestinians one tiny fraction? Could you please tell me, based on your knowedge of Livni and Herzog's political careers, how they will work to end the siege of Gaza, stop the conquest of the West Bank - which Herzog, in his time as Housing Minister, actively encouraged, or cease the daily humiliations, privations and murders ordinary Palestinians have to endure?

      If a 'moderate' leader is elected, libzios the world over will rejoice. Not becuase anything will improve for Palestinians - that has never been a priority for them - but because it will once again allow them to feel good about loving a racist, colonial state with an appalling human rights record. With Bibi, Zionism inches further and further along the road to self destruction.

      Again, if you feel I'm wrong and that Livni or Herzog's record indicates that they are genuine about justice for the Palestinians, please provide details.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 8:29 am

      '' I think the world has had it with Netanyahu lies, war mongering, arrogance and open control of Congress ''

      Which is precisely why I hope he wins!

      With Herzog, Livni or whoever, the lie of 'liberal Zionism' will be taken out for a walk once again, and we'll have another few years of 'negotiations', 'no partner for peace', 'both sides' etc etc. With Bibi, it's much much harder to pretend that Israel is a nice, liberal democracy just like Britain or the US. That is why he needs to stay on.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      From the article:

      ''Speaking at January’s meeting, EJC President Moshe Kantor asserted that it is “incumbent on the European Union to urgently place combating anti-Semitism as one of its highest priorities because this is a hatred that transcends borders and cannot be dealt with by any single nation on its own.”

      ''one of its highest priorities'' eh? Because the economic crisis in several memberstates, the massive inflow of refugees and illegal immigrants, the war in Ukraine, and so on, are only minor problems compared to 'antisemitism'?

    • ''whose ideology contributed to the assassination of Yitzak Rabin, ''

      Yitzak 'break their bones' Rabin? Sorry, but I'll shed no tears.

      ''brought us the Iraq War''

      Netanyahu was not in power then.

      ''would lead us to war – nuclear war – with Iran,''

      That's what he wants you to believe. The man whose army shat themselves in Gaza isn't as macho as you think. There will be no war with Iran.

      ''The Israeli electorate has grown tired of Netanyahu’s leadership, and he is in a panic about that.''

      He's still the favourite to be PM this time next week. And the Israeli electorate only care about themselves, and the fact that cartoon Bibi makes them look bad. The suffering of the Palestinians, which as the enthusiastic support of most Israelis, didn't even figure in the elections.

      ''In Herzog’s hands, the Israeli body politic can begin a new direction.''

      Do you ACTUALLY believe that? Do you seriously think that Herzog, who complained that Bibi wasn't being 'tough' enough during the Gaza massacre, is going to lead us to a kinder, gentler Israel? Or is he just going to put a 'reasonable' face on massacres, sieges and ethnic cleansing? I strongly suspect the latter.

      What in Herzog's record makes you think he will be a change for the better, in substance rather than style?

      ''It’s irresponsible to hope for continuation in order to prove by catastrophe that past political theories were flawed, when they can be corrected by an election.''

      I don' t even know what that means, but I do know that the systemic and inherent evil of Zionism cannot be changed by electing one racial supremacist rather than another.

    • There's an article in the Guardian about how Herzog is supposedly closing the gap in the elections. The comments are full of ''Herzog sounds like a reasonable guy'' and ''I hope Israelis see sense and get rid of warmonger Bibi'' stuff. In other words, they are falling for the libzio lie that the problem isn't Zionism, but Bibi. Just like before, the problem wasn't Zionism, but Sharon.

      I really REALLY hope that Bibi wins. Nothing will improve for the Palestinians no matter which Zionist fanatic is in power, so it might as well be one who antagonises the world and makes the ugly face of israel impossible to ignore, even for libzios who are experts in averting their eyes.

  • Israel's Foreign Minister calls for beheading Arab citizens and it's not anywhere in the New York Times
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 7:04 am

      Have you got a source for that Sharon? And how many of that ''95%'' went to Israel?

      ''the remaining 9 thousand don’t dare say anything “disloyal” or they’d be hanged.''

      Again, I'd love to see a source for this. In any case, since you don't condemn Evet Lvovich Libermann's remarks, I take it you'd be quite OK with this?

    • 3 days on and The Guardian finally takes notes of Lieberman's incitement - in a single throwaway sentence buried deep within an article on the elections.

      ''In contrast, rivals have often sounded inflammatory appeals, not least foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, who suggested about disloyal Israeli Arabs: “Those who are against us, there’s nothing to be done – we need to pick up an axe and cut off his head.”

      So he 'suggested' it, did he? How polite of him. And the word 'disloyal' taken at face value by IDF hack Peter Beaumont. All part of electioneering.

      Could you imagine The Guardian being so nonchalant if an Iranian minister had made similar remarks about 'disloyal' Iranian Jews? We'd never hear the end of it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 10, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      ''MDM: Of course there are two sides. What do you think conflict is made of?''

      It's not a 'conflict'. It's an occupation.

      ''nd yes, I’m suggesting Israel should shrug off, equally egregious trash talking on the Iranian side. ''

      You still don't get it, do you? This is the FM of a country openly calling for the beheading of HIS OWN FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN. Got it? If an Iranian leader did the same about his Jewish populatoin, we'd never hear the end of it, and I guarantee you wouldn't be saying 'nothing here to see' if he did.

      '' The result of not doing so is Netanyahu torpedoing nuclear non-proliferation talks because he would rather impose crushing sanctions and bomb.''

      Lol you're delusional. Netanyahu is the PM of a minor Asian state with no seat at the negotiations regarding Iran. Sanctions are not his to 'impose'. As for bombing, his army ran away squealing from Hizballah and Hamas, so you'd have to be nuts to think they're going to take on Iran.

      ''he crazies on both sides''

      Except that the 'crazies' are high ranking ministers.

      Maybe Israel itself is the crazy one?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      No, that is not the question.

      The question - to repeat - is:

      ''Please tell me of ANY examples of ANY Arab or Iranian leader making a similar comment about their own citizens.''

      I'm still waiting.

      Oh, and the Nasrallah 'quote' in Goldberg's article is almost certainly a fabrication. But what do you expect from a 'journalist' who once volunteered as an IDF prison guard?

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