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  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:33 am

      And where did all the millions of Jews in the 'diaspora' come from?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      Also, if Zionism is the answer to the Jews' problems, how come it took them two millenia to come up with it? Those Jews expelled from Spain could have gone to Palestine, but chose to remain in Europe instead. Even today, with the existence of the ''Jewish state'' nearly all Jews who have the option of living in a prosperous Western nation will do just that, rather than taking up residence in a glorified Levantine ghetto.

  • Israeli army can't stop patting itself on the back for helping Nepal victims
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 8:12 am

      Your sick joke of an 'army' bombed hospitals and rehabilitations centres.

      And now we're supposed to praise them because they put up a few tents to make a Potemkin hospital?

      You must think the rest of the world is as hopelessly brainwashed as Israelis are.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 6:41 am with 6 replies

      A hasbara effort wouldn't be complete without a 'field hospital'.

      I remember literally every single hasbarist was droning on about how Israel had established a 'field hospital' on the 'borders' with Gaza during last summer's massacre. As though treating a few carefully vetted Palestinians - probably collaborators and their families - somehow neutralised the horror. Can 'jons' tell us about the current status of said 'field hospital' or did it endure only as long as hasbara required it to endure?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      Ask Nepalese hotel owners and tour bus operators what they think of Israeli tourists and their obnoxious, culturally insensitive behaviour.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      According to what I have read, yes.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      ''Like all good stories in Israel, it is a very fierce debate with very passionate views on both sides…''

      This seems to be the standard hasbara response to anyone who points out the less than liberal aspects of Israeli society. I heard the same thing recently when someone mentioned the fact that ''secular'' Israel does not recognise secular marriages. ''Oh, but you see these things are fiercely debated in the vibrant democracy that is Israel''. So what? Fact remains that any Israeli who wants a non-religious wedding has to go beyond Israel's 'borders' to obtain it.

  • 'Baltimore Is Here': Ethiopian Israelis protest police brutality in Jerusalem
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 9:33 am

      How can anyone be 'racist' towards Israelis? They are not a race. Indeed, according to Israel's own government, they're not even a nationality.

      And of course you are right in saying that many Israelis are indigeneous to the region. These are the 2O% of so who are Palestinian, as well as a small minority of Jewish Israelis whose presence in the region long predated the colonisation by Eastern European Jews.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:28 am with 7 replies

      The entire society is built on racism against the indigenous people of Palestine.

      It would be amazing if Israelis were not also racist against other 'foreigners'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:27 am

      Same old same old. Yes, Israel has 'problems' but because it's such a 'vibrant democracy' where everyone is so politically aware and engaged in lively debate, they're 'trying to work it out'.

      Could Ms. Aynaw give us any concrete examples of how the situation is 'improving' for Ethiopian Jews? And no, choosing one Ethiopian to display herself in a 'beauty' contest does not count as an improvement.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      Events like this make it so very clear that Jews are not a race, nor an ethnicity, nor even a 'people' - to use the almost meaningless term preferred by Zionists these days. Jews are members of a religious group who have little or nothing in common with one another other than religion. An Ethiopian Jew has no more in common with a Polish Jew than an Ethiopian Christian has in common with a Polish Christian.

      If Jews really saw each other as belonging to the same ethnicity, racism like this simply could not happen, particularly not in the ''Jewish democracy''.

  • Avi Shlaim on liberal Zionism, the 'dead' two-state solution, and colonial pizza
    • ''Ben-Ami claims that Israel will eventually end its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and help to create a Palestinian state.''

      I simply do not understand how anyone as well informed as Ben Ami can make such a statement.

      When, precisely, does Ben Ami think that ''Israel will eventually end its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and help to create a Palestinian state?'' If that's what Israel intends to do, why not do it..... now? For the past several years, Israel has enjoyed the most peaceful period of time since the creation of the statelet. Surely, if they were going to end the occupation, this would be a perfect time to do it? Instead, we've got ever increasing 'settlements', overtly racist rhetoric from mainstream politicians, and Sderot Cinema.

      Could it be precisely because occupation has become so cost-free, that Israel has no intention of ending it? Not that it ever did, but it does amaze me how anyone can say, with a straight face, that Israel is going to end the occupation. Some day.

  • Using the dead: the 'NYT' works with Israel to justify military service
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 26, 2015 at 5:02 am

      I have heard that in many polls of ''Israelis'', Palestinians are often omitted, though this isn't mentioned when the results are published. Take the polls done during the summer massacre, where approval ratings for the killing spree were well to the north of 90%. Given that about 20% or more of Israelis are Palestinian, they surely could not have been included in the survey. Yet most refer to those surveyed as simply ''Israelis''. Could you imagine if pollsters in the US systematically excluded black people from their polls, and claimed that the results were representative of all Americans?

  • Understanding the Jewish National Home
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 19, 2015 at 11:46 am

      @sklein,

      For many centuries, there were very large communities of Jews in the Middle East, notably in Alexandria, almost within spitting distance of ''the Holy Land''. Yet very very few of these Jews chose to live in ''Israel'', even though they could easily have done so. If Jews have been 'yearning to return to the promised land' for so long, why did Jews who lived right next door not feel motivated to do so?

  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 1:56 pm

      You're right. You haven't travelled much. You also haven't read much, nor have you conversed much with anyone outside your Ziobubble. Nobody I know of in the pro-Palestine community believes in a 'two state solution'. Even if they felt that were a desirable outcome, they know that Israel's insatiable greed for land has rendered that impossible.

      And Israel does not have a 'right to exist'. Neither does the UK, or Iceland, or Burkina Faso, or any other state. Nation states exist until they no longer do. Israel wasn't around 70 years ago. It's entirely possible that it will not be around 70 years from now. It's almost comical how Israelists think that having existed for a paltry 3 generations - when circumstances have been almost entirely favourable to them - somehow guarantees Israel's future. Nation states have existed for much longer and still been confined to the dustbins of history. The same, sooner or later, will be true for Israel. It's a matter of when, not if.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      Ah, so I'm the one duped by propaganda about Iran, eh? Khamenei is an unsavoury leader in many ways, but even his critics agree that he is not corrupt and lives quite modestly, as do most of the Iranian political class. And as I've said before, you know Sweet FA about Iran. It is not a 'closed society' at all. I know you haven't been there, but I have, and people discuss politics in a way which would be unthinkable in the Gulf dictatorships Israel has such a crush on.

      Anyway, since you have an expertise on Iran unsullied by any propaganda, perhaps you can provide me with sources about those 'palaces' - plural - personally owned by Khamenei?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 11:07 am

      Dabakr,

      What a disingenuous post. The Shah's Iran was a US client, much like the Gulf states Israel is so chummy with. Why would they have a problem with a regime which reinforced the pro-US, pro-Israel status quo in the region? It's the idea of an independent Iran which bothers them.

      Oh, and spare us the concern trolling over the Iranian people. Like you give a toss. As you say, Israel was quite in love with the Shah's brutal regime, to the point of helping to train the notorious Savak secret police. Please dont' try to pretend you care about the people of Iran. Nobody believes you.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 11:01 am

      But David, Yugoslavia didn't 'decide to break up', like a couple divorcing. Aren't you forgetting the series of bloody wars, particularly regarding the seccession of Bosnia? The Belgrade government opposed this until almost the end.

      Then there's ''Kosovo'', carved out of 15% of Serbia, very much against the will of the Serbian government and people, who consider it an illegal theft of their sovereign territory. Yet there it is, recognised as a nation state by most Western countries, though not by the UN. Does ''Kosovo'' have a right to exist? Did Serbia have a right to exist within its legal borders prior to the creation of ''Kosovo''? Most of what's euphemistically termed the 'international community' would agree on the first question, but disagree on the latter - for their own geopolitical purposes. What about Sudan? Did Khartoum have any say in having much of their country shaved off to make an 'independent' nation?

      What I'm saying is that nation states exist or they don't. They don't have a ''right'' to do so.

    • ''. Under the current geopolitical system, where there is no world government, there is no system of law higher than that of the sovereign state which could say that Israel does not exist, or must cease to exist. It therefore has a legal right to continue to exist.''

      But yet nation states come and go all the time. In my lifetime -- and I'm guessing yours too - nations such as the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and East Germany - to name but a few - have ceased to exist. On the other hand, nations including Kosovo, Croatia, Slovenia, East Timor and the George Clooney Republic of South Sudan - again to name but a few - have come into existence.

      If Israel has a 'right to continue to exist', why did the same 'right' not apply to Yugoslavia or the USSR?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 5:32 am

      ''Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated''

      You really take pride in your cluelessness, don't you? Khamenei doesn't have any 'palaces'. He lives very modestly, and last year went to a state-run, presumably sanctions hit, Iranian hospital for treatment for his prostate cancer.

      You must be confusing him with Israel's Gulf buddies, who would have flown for treatment to the US or Switzerland in private jets with gold plated taps.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 16, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      'Catalan' thinks it's all about him!

    • ''t there is something for Israel to fear. ''

      Of course there is. An Iran reintegrated into the world economy and power structure is a serious threat to expansionist Zionism.

    • ''s Israelis (not Jews, but for rhetorical convenience called Jews)''

      But only when they're 'victims'. You'd never hear a Zionist saying ''Jewish soldiers shot dead a Palestinian boy today''. In fact, if anyone else did, they'd be whining about 'antisemitism'. But they're happy to refer to Israelis as 'Jews' - even though between a fifth and a quarter of Israelis are not Jews - when it suits the eternal victim agenda.

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    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 16, 2015 at 1:54 pm

      ''So which part of what Netanyahu said is wrong, Phil?''

      The fact that you have to ask shows just how deep in Zio doo-doo you really are. How are those 'outreach' sessions going for you, hophmi?

      ''Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly?''

      No. And you know it.

  • Walaa Ghussein on the power (and vulnerability) of Palestinian journalists
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 13, 2015 at 4:47 am

      I've been haunted by that horrible moment since the summer, but that thought never occurred to me before. Now that you mention it though....... I don't think I'll be able to get it out of my mind. Of course, it's not like the Israelis have never targetted Palestinian kids before - just for a laugh - but now you're making me wonder if Mohyeldin's presence was not purely coincidental. And there seems no doubt at all that the navy aimed at the beach deliberately, knowing full well there were children there. The IDF don't usually kill Western journalists - Arab journalists are of course a completely different matter - but Ayman, though a US citizen, is of Arab origin. So maybe they thought nobody would care about some Arab hack who's probably a shill for Khamas in any case?

      Scary thought.

  • Video: Pressure mounts on Robbie Williams to choose between Tel Aviv and UNICEF
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      LOL! So Bibi has been promising 'economic independence' from the US for almost as long as he's been promising us an Iranian bomb?

    • If Israel's economy is so strong, why the massive inequality? Why was the last election fought mainly on economic issues? And, most importantly, why does this 'strong economy' get $3 billion - and counting -- of US taxpayers' money, every single year?

      I thought the whole point of the''Jewish state' was that Jews would be self-sufficient in 'their own' country. So why are they still reliant on handouts from Gentiles who, as we all know, are all anti-Semites just waiting to get out?

  • Does Schumer have any idea how angry his constituents will be if he torpedoes his president on Iran?
    • I definitely agree that the Iran deal is very bad for Israel, though not in the way they claim. If there was ever any suggestion that Iran was aiming for a nuclear bomb - and most experts believe they were not - this deal puts paid to that. So, it's not an Iranian bomb Bibi is scared of, but an Iran which is rehabilitated and integrated into the world economy, but yet is not a US puppet like the Gulf states.

      However, Bibi's ranting and raving has done so much to identify opposition to the deal with being an Israel firster, and as such he has shot himself in the foot big time. Polls indicate that most Americans support the agreement, and will not be in favour of having it scuppered just to keep Bibi. So the more he keeps throwing those toys from pram, the better! Rant on bibi!

  • Iran is 'congenital cheating' 'Islamic power bent on world domination' -- Netanyahu tells US media
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 8, 2015 at 7:58 am

      ''Should we renounce purchase of carpets, and bomb the merchant (who may be an Armenian, but Jews tend to loath the Armenians so it is fine)?''

      Probably more likely to be Azeri. The Azeris are very prominent in Iranian business circles, and are also very well represented in politics - Supreme Leader Ali Khamanei is of Azeri background, as are several high ranking clerics and politicians. The Azeris make up about 2O% of the Iranian population, as do the Palestinians in Israel. Contrast the level of integration.

      But I take your point. Sleazy Orientalist cliches aside, what's wrong with being a shrewd negotiatior? I thought that was generally considered a good thing? And perhaps because he comes from one of the rudest, most arrogant countries on earth, Oren does not understand that it's the norm in high level negotiations to have a bit of 'give and take', and that no one party to the talks gets everything they want. Hence 'negotiations'. But Israel has a rather different interpretation of the term 'give and take'. They take, and everyone else gives.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 7, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      ''The Iranian regime is not nearly as apocalyptic and dangerous as it was in its early stage when Khomeini was alive.''

      Funnily enough, Israel got on quite well with Iran - not officially of course - during the very period when Iran was at its most radical and aggressive. What Israel fears much more is an Iran which is independent yet integrated into the global economy and power structure.

      '' Ari shavit and Jeffrey Goldberg who know more than I do about nukes and war games and balance of power''

      Then clearly you know very, very little indeed.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 6, 2015 at 6:09 pm with 6 replies

      I see that in their desperation, the Israelis are resorting to the nastiest, cheapest Orientalist slurs. Just a few days ago, Michael Oren caricatured the Iranians as duplicitous carpet merchants who will happily swindle you over a few glasses of sweet tea:

      ''Want to purchase a carpet in the Middle East? If so, the first question the merchant will ask you is, “How much do you want to spend?” Seasoned buyers never answer. They know that whatever amount they cite will become the baseline for the negotiation. They understand that the merchant’s smiles, the many cups of tea he serves, his invitations to stroll along the riverbank, are all part of his selling tactic. So, too, are his protests — in response to any offer — of wounded pride. Veterans of Middle East carpet markets expect the give-and-take to be lengthy, even exhausting, but are always willing to leave the shop''

      I mean, seriously? Could you imagine if Time magazine published an article caricaturing Israelis as tight fisted money lenders with hook noses? We'd never hear the end of how 'antisemitic' it was, and this time they might even be right. But of course it's fine when it's Iranians, or Muslims or Arabs, being nastily stereotyped. And this man is a 'diplomat'?

      link to time.com

  • The epic season of spinning Iran deal begins!
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 5, 2015 at 9:01 am

      Keith,

      No, I'm not joking.

      Businesses the world over have long chafed under the Iran sanctions. They don't see why they need to lose out on lucrative trade just to keep Bibi happy. How do oil companies, or any of the other businesses who stand to gain billions from access to an untapped market, benefit from having Iran isolated? They don't. They lose, big time. And American companies will be especially peeved if congress finds a way to maintain or even increase the sanctions, while European, Russian and Chinese companies get all those juicy contracts.

      So in this one case, I would like to see big business prevail over political -- ie AIPAC - concerns.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 4, 2015 at 2:48 pm with 4 replies

      Yeah, although the deal looks good, there is a LOT of potential for 'misunderstanding' and manipulation by the IAEA, which is now little more than an American tool since the departure of El Baradei.

      My hope is that, just this once, big business will get its way. European and American companies must be salivating at the thought of all those lucrative contracts in a country more or less closed to Western investment for years. I'm hoping that pressure from big business will discourage Obama - or whoever - from keeping sanctions on Iran. From what I've heard, big business is sick and tired of being kept out of Iran to please Bibi, and wont' take kindly to having to miss another chance at all those opportunities. Just for bibi and his cartoons.

  • How Obama won on Iran
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 4, 2015 at 6:17 am with 9 replies

      Give it a rest Yonah.

      Nobody is buying it.

      You dislike Iran for one reason and one reason only: They are a rival to Israel. And if this deal leads to them becoming fully integrated into the world economy, a very formidable rival. So spare us with the human rights concern trolling. Nobody believes you.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 4, 2015 at 6:14 am

      ''Israel tried — and the world turned its back. The Arabs tried — and the world ignored them.''

      I surely can't the only one astonished at how Israeli PR is now so closely alligned with ''The Arabs''.

      For decades, it was all about ''the Arabs want to push us into the sea'', ''the Arabs want to destroy Israel' blah blah blah yet now they're in love!

      I'm half expecting Israel to apply for membership of the Arab League any day now.

  • DEAL!
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      Yes, I was thoroughly impressed by Zarif - by his intelligence, eloquence - in a foreign language - and by his persistance in advocating for Iran's legitimate rights.

      And I'll also admit, reluctantly, that I was impressed by Obama and Kerry. And I've never ever been a fan of either. Obama's speech was the best I've heard him give: I think he made it very hard for the GOP and Bibi to scupper this deal, though naturally they will try.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 2, 2015 at 5:04 pm with 3 replies

      Parties on the streets of Tehran and Isfahan!

      It's not often that news from the Middle East makes me smile, but this has!

      The minute I saw that 'cat that got the cream' smirk from Zarif, I knew this was going to be a good day!

      Bibi - nil.

      Humanity - ten.

    • Seems there will be an announcement at 19.00 Swiss time, ie, under an hour from now.

      It's not clear how much detail will be made public - there were indications previously that we will only get a brief 'framework statement', and that the real deal will only happen in June. Let's see!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 2, 2015 at 6:20 am with 5 replies

      ''then this is Iran, the mother of the (carpet) Bazaar''

      Any other tired orientalist cliches about shifty Persians that you'd like to throw in?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      Juan Cole wrote a piece recently about how he thinks the EU countries are sick and tired of the sanctions and if this deal does not go through, will blame it all on Bibi and end the EU sanctions anyway. China has mostly been ignoring UN sanctions and has significnatly increased trade with Iran over the past decade.

      Hard to know what to make of any of it. Reports from Lausanne suggest the French are being 'hardline' but that could be mere posturing. Seems the talks will continue for at least one more day, which could be good or bad, depending on how you interpret it. I do think that in the final analysis, only 2 countries count - the US and Iran. The others are really just there to make up the numbers.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 5:19 pm with 4 replies

      Gareth Porter is one of the best writers on the Iranian nuclear hysteria. His book, 'Manufactured Crisis', is excellent.

      Reading tweets from Lausanne -- not sure how reliable they are - I'm less optimistic than I was only a few hours ago. It seems the Iranians have made all sorts of concessions and accepted huge limitations to what was a legal programme, but the P5 are giving very little in return. It's all give and no take, as usual, for Iran.

      That said, I think Kerry really does want a deal and at the end of the day, only Iran and the US count. So maybe best to stop reading tweets and just wait it out.

      link to amazon.co.uk

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 1:42 pm with 2 replies

      Some sort of deal looks almost inevitable. However, unless it guarantees the immediate dropping of ALL UN sanctions, it would seem very one-sided. I'm sure the Iranians know this, of course, and won't settle for much less, but maybe they'll agree to some 'gradual' dropping of the sanctions which to me would be a recipe for more disappointment and ill-feeling.

  • Netanyahu to stage hunger strike against world peace
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      I think it's stretching it a tad to say that any country hosting refugees is 'embroiled in war'. And if you're going to make that claim, then surely you can make a much better case that a country which is actively occupying another people's land is certainly in a state of war.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 1:45 pm with 2 replies

      Really?

      No war in Iran.

      No war in Lebanon.

      No war in Egypt.

      No war in Turkey.

      No war in Jordan.

      And so on and so forth.

      And Israel is technically in a state of war with several Arab states and of course has its troops stationed permanently in occupied territories. It also massacred 2OOO people just this summer. Hardly an oasis of peace, hophmi.

  • 2200 Palestinian homes approved in East Jerusalem-- even as others are bulldozed
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 2, 2015 at 8:14 am with 2 replies

      So essentially Herzog proposed a ''Palestinian state'' which would not include the 'settlement blocs'' -- they would be annexed to Israel - ''and the implementation of security arrangements that will meet Israel’s needs'' - another way to say the 'state' would be demilitarised and Israel would retain control of its borders and airspace. No mention of Jerusalem or refugees either.

      And this is the great 'moderate' of Israeli politics? Sounds like just another shill for the bantustan solution to me.

  • Video: Max Blumenthal on the ways Zionism exploits anti-Semitism
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 1, 2015 at 2:16 pm

      ''It is unbelievable that she keeps being given the platform to spew her lies, and sell her pathetic books''

      It's not unbelievable at all, Kay. She's telling people what they want to hear, and what most people want to hear is: Muslims, especially Muslim men, are medieval misogynists and Muslim women are victims, but too brainwashed and oppressed to know they are victims. So.. Ayyan to the rescue! Then there's the fact that's shes' an ideal 'native informant' - Muslim -- at least by upbringing - black, and a woman. It doesn't hurt that she's beautiful, of course. And she is A Victim, or at least that's how she portrays herself. ''How DARE you criticise the brave Ayaan! She's a victim of FGB! She's received death threats! Who are you to say anything bad about such a heroine''. So she's untouchable. Pretty much perfect. Never mind that she is morally and intellectualy vacuous.

  • American Voices: What lies ahead for the rocky US/Israel relationship?
    • That's my understanding too. The US has no formal obligations to Israel. It's all bluster about 'eternal friendship' - in one direction only - but nothing set in stone.

  • In Israel, the mask is finally off
    • That is the question.

      Israel is an extraordinarily dangerous place. The combination of nuclear weapons, an enduring, illogical sense of victimhood, a 'fuck you' attitude to the rest of the world and a captive population of racially despised underlings is explosive, to put it very mildly.

      So what to do? No easy solution presents itself, but one thing is certain, the world cannot go on holding Israel's hand and pandering to its every whim and tantrum. When you've got a psychopath with a gun, you don't fret over his 'feelings'. You take the gun off him. Then you can deal with his 'trauma'. But not before.

  • Washington 'sits shiva' for the 2-state solution
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm

      This highly selective outrage is the essence of 'liberal Zionism'. If they devoted one fraction of the anger they express at Bibi's 'betrayal of the soul of Israel' to getting enraged about murder and land theft, them maybe their precious '2 state solution' just might have been possible. But no, they sat back and made excuses while Israel bombed civilians from the sky and stole their land day by day, dunam by dunam. And they think we didn't notice?

      They had their chance and they blew it, time and time again. There will be no '2 state solution'. Tough.

    • ''What also angers us is the dishonesty shown clearly by Netanyahu’s panicked election disavowal of the two-state solution,''

      You gotta love the Israeli 'centre left'.

      They were not angered by the massacre of 2OOO civilians in Gaza

      They were not angered when their dear leader, Tzipi Livni, did something similar a few years ago.

      They have never been angered by the relentless theft of Palestinian land, continued with enthusiasm by another of their leaders, ex Housing Minister Isaac Herzog.

      But no, they are 'angered' by Bibi's 'dishonesty'. Priorities, priorities.

      The 'centre left' have never advanced the cause of justice for Palestine by one milimetere. Quite the contrary, they have been up there with the best of them in killing, harassing and theiving from Palestinians. The 'centre left' have had their chance, many times. And they have failed. Enough of that. One state, one person, one vote. There is no other way.

    • Yes. We don't need nudge and nuance. We need sanctions and international isolation.

    • As often, I think Phill is being a bit too over optimistic and too easy on Obama.

      Nothint in his words indicates any substantive change on America's love in with Israel. The welfare cheques will keep being written, Samantha Power's hand will keep flying up to veto UN resolutions, a blind eye will continue to be turned to the deaths and mistreatment of Palestinians.

      A few words mean nothing to people in Gaza or Jenin.

  • The liberal Zionist lament: Joe Klein and Jodi Rudoren try to explain away Israeli racism
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 12:32 pm

      Maybe the reason she hasn't succeeded in converting to Judaism is because the rabbis weren't too impressed when they found out that she thinks Deuteronomy is a person?

      True story.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 25, 2015 at 11:54 am

      Ugh. A quote:

      ''The Somali-born Hirsi Ali, 45, also reportedly criticized President Barack Obama as naïve in his attempt to negotiate a nuclear arms deal with Iran, arguing that Muslims equate compromise with shame, and that Islamic extremists must be defeated rather than accommodated.''

      Can anyone tell me what qualifies Hirsi Magan to offer opinions on the Iranian nuclear talks? She has no knowledge of the region other than her bumper sticker generalisations. ''Muslims equate compromise with shame''???? WTF? So one fifth of the world's population is incapable of compromising? This woman is an 'academic'?

      If Magan wrote this type of shit about Jews, she'd never have been granted a visa to enter the US, let alone attain celebrity martyr status.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      Exactly.

      It's the same as the 'holocaust uniqueness' nonsense. As the late Peter Novick put it - can't remember the exact words - essentially the likes of Wiesel et al are saying '' Your suffering, unlike OUR suffering, is ordinary.''

      The narcissism and victim mentality of certain sectors of the American Jewish 'community' is deeply unpleasant. Transfer that narcissism to a garrison state armed with nuclear bombs and lording it over a subject people, and who can be surprised at the horrors of Zionism?

  • Why did Herzog run scared? He fears the Israeli people
    • I agree. I do think Phil is being too generous to Herzog. He was basically another Ehud Barak. He'd go through the motions of 'peace negotiations' but has never ever had any intention of a 2 state solution or anything approaching justice for Palestinians. He's been in politics for decades, and so has had plenty of opportunities to campaign for Palestinian justice, if that was what he believed in. Clearly he does not.

      I think we need to get away from thinking in terms of this or that leader. The problems with Zionism are systemic, not down to this guy or that guy.

  • Bill Maher justifies Netanyahu's racism by saying U.S. has done much worse
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm

      Indeed. So he spent 5 minutes in some Tel Aviv bubble and considers himself an expert on what ''Israelis want''? Never mind that what chic Tel Avivians tell visiting US celebs what they want, may not be what they actually want, but realy he should have visited Ariel or Mea Shearim to get a bit more of a balanced view.

      But these are tough times for those who have long hid behind the myth of liberal Zionism. The pretence that Bibi is some aberration who will soon go away was never convincing, but is now completely absurd. The Israelis have shown us what they want, and it ain't peace.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 7:08 pm

      ''He can’t rationally accept the nightmare that Zionism has created in Israel, so he projects his hatred onto the “other,” in this case, Arabs/Muslims.''

      While that MIGHT work for an Israeli or even a US Jew who had been brainwashed by Zionism from childhood, I don't think it'll cut it for Maher. AFAIK, he's not Jewish at all, but a non practicing Catholic - please correct me if I'm wrong. So if he's a Zionist it's because he CHOOSES to be one. He's got no particular stake in that fight. He reviewed what he believes to be the facts and came down very firmly on the side of the country that killed 5OO kids this summer. That's not a 'very good person' in my book.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 23, 2015 at 10:09 am

      I'm not American and I really don't know much about Maher other than what I read here.

      However, from what I do know, I agree with you. Maher seems to be an unashamed bigot. You can't be a ''very good person'' if you believe certain people deserve fewer rights in their own country simply because of their race or religion. A good person would believe that all human beings are equal, regardless of race or religion. By that standard, Maher is far from being a 'very good person'.

  • Netanyahu's victory marks the end of the two-state solution
    • Aggressive? Yes, maybe in the way a kitten is aggressive.

      No to BDS - except in the most watered down form - no to armed resistance, no to travel bans.... in short, no to anything that might actually make a difference. Back to the same old shyte about Israel's 'right to exist' , 'peaceful protest' - but not BDS mind - and the farce of the 'peace process'.

      The likes of Beinart and Freedland remind me of that Japanese soldier in the jungle, who still thought WWII was being fought 1O years after the ceasefire. Out of touch is putting it mildly. Don't these people realise that their ship has long since sailed?

  • UN backs away from including IDF on list of children’s rights violators after pressure from Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 11:23 am

      ''The Israelis allegedly warned of serious consequences if a meeting of UN agencies and NGOs based in Jerusalem to ratify the recommendation went ahead.''

      But what ''serious consequences'' could Israel inflict?

      My guess is that the calls came not from Jerusalem, but Washington.

  • New York Times published piece about Netanyahu’s racism, then rewrote all of it
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 7:16 pm

      I swear you could almost feel the breeze from all that Freedland-esque hand wringing over the 'soul of Israel'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 7:14 pm

      And the thing is... He STILL hides behind the lie that a '2 state solution' is possible!

      Still. Even now.

      I do think libzios of Freedland's generation are a lost cause. They have been so deeply indoctrinated in the cult that there's no way out for them. They have far too much to lose, psychologically speaking, if the facade of the Zionist dream comes crashing down. So they must maintain it at all costs, however daft it makes them look.

      Nice to see that most of the comments were sensible. I find it goes one of two ways with CiF threads: either the hasbrats get a heads up and infest it from the start, or they're pretty reasonable. This was one of the latter, even if there's been a belated rearguard action from the usual suspects.

    • It's been interesting to read the British version of the NYT - The Guardian. Poor Jonathan Freedland had to scrap the editorial he had prepared ready to roll the morning after Herzog's triumph - full of gush about ''a new dawn'', ''a brave choice'' and '' both sides must be ready for painful compromise''.

      Instead, stunned at the blow to his dream castle image of Israel, it's taken him several hours to come up with this predictabIe piece of mourning over the damage to - yes, you've guessed it - Israel's ''image''.

      link to theguardian.com

  • Who can save Israel now?
    • Sick, isn't it? Not even Obama would congratulate Bibi personally, but the EU is telling this criminal to 'count on us'.

    • @wjjones

      I think what the jeffster is saying that, so long as Palestinians give everything they've ever had to Israel, and learn to cal them 'sir', then there really is no need for any unpleasantness.

    • ''Israelis have never indicated they want a strained violent relationship with Palestinians.''

      You're right of course jeffeeee beeee.

      Other than stealing their land, evicting hundreds of thousand of them, destroying their lives, killing them regularly and taking periodic turkey shoots at their homes and schools it's probably true that Israelis have never indicated they want a strained violent relationship with Palestinians.

      What's a bit of ethnic cleansing among friends eh, jeffy bee?

    • ''It was a change election, ''

      No. It never was.

      Let's look at the alternatives, the hopey changey figures. First up, we have Yitzak Herzog, who greatly expanded the 'settlements' during his time as Housing Minister, who denounced Bibi for being too 'soft' during the Gaza massacre, and who openly said Israel will keep most of the settlements. Alongside him, we have Tzipi Cast Lead Livni, butcher of Gaza, who was reveaIed in the PaIestine papers as turning down the most generous offer possible.

      This is 'change' in Israel? No. Or if yes, only in style, not substance. If all these flag waving dorks wanted change so much, where were they when Gaza was being bombed in their name? Not in Rabin Square, that's for sure. No, they were back home fretting about the 'soul' of Israel.

      Zionism is not reformable. Not by Herzog, not by Livni, not by anyone.

    • True. This has just added another layer to the denialism they wrap themselves up in. Already we've had the ''Bibi didn't really mean it when he said there would be no PaIestinian state'' even though he's on record as saying the same thing for years. Then there's the notion that this was all the result of so many poor IiI Israelis living in 'fear'. Would such an excuse ever be offered to the people of Gaza, living every day in infiintely greater fear?

      Even so, it's going to be harder and harder for libzios to maintain the fraud. They were hoping and praying for a result that would allow them to pretend that there was a kinder, gentler Israel just waiting to get out, and instead they got King Bibi.

      Soon, just maybe, they're going to have to acknowledge that Bibi is Israel. There is no liberal Zionism. This is the reality.

  • Netanyahu won. Now what?
    • Did JVP unambiguously and unconitionally condemn the Gaza massacre?

      Does it endorse BDS?

      Does it accept that Palestinians have the right to resist occupation - by violent means, if they so choose?

      Forgive me, but I'm rather cynical about these 'voices for peace' which, when push comes to shove, are only really concerned about the 'soul of Israel'.

    • Excellent article, which describes what I believe to be the inherent pathology of Israeli society. Deep down - or not that deep down - it's all about how the world hates the Jews, and that therefore nothing Israeli Jews do really matters. Everyone will hate them anyway. Combine that with an obsession with 'security', lording it over a captive people, and 2OO nuclear weapons, and you have got one hell of a scary mix. A veritable witches' brew.

      This leader or that leader is really neither here nor there. That said, a Netanyahu victory has been the least worst option. Now it's up to the rest of the world to decide how to deal with a country which has yet again voted in an openly racist leader who has made it quite clear that the occupation should last forever.

      Over to you, world.

  • Israelis go to the polls today--and nobody knows who will win (Updated)
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 18, 2015 at 4:49 am

      ''I can be wrong, but so far the sanctions are hardening the Israelis and not softening them.''

      You most definitely are wrong. Firstly, there are no sanctions against Israel, though there should be. Just a grassroots BDS campaign which thus far has only scratched the surface.

      Secondly, your logic betrays the usual libzio nonsense about how Israelis are so sensitive that we have to pussyfoot around them.... or else we might 'harden' them. Please. Israelis have had several years of almost cost free occupation. Only a handful of civilians have died as a result of the resistance in the past several years. The occupation had so little impact on your average Yossi's life that it was barely even an issue in the elections. And how did Israelis respond to this unprecedented 'peace'? By imposing a sadistic siege on Gaza, bombing it every 2 years, and going even futher to the extreme racist right.

      And you're worried that a few consumer boycotts might 'harden' these poor dolls? No. It's the non stop mollycoddlling of Israel, this idea that you can destroy the lives of millions and still not pay a price, which has 'hardened' Israelis. They've been pandered to quite enough, I reckon. Time for something new.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      More to the point: should she be serving in an occupation army? Not that women actually do much in said army, other than pose for girly pics and accept gifts from Garnier. All PR, like so much about the Zionist entity. So, the flowing locks don't matter - it's not like these girls will be battling on the 'front line', or what passes for it in Israeli massacres.

      And I think you're being generous with her age. She looks about 12 to me.

  • Why I hope Netanyahu will be crushed tonight
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      ''Also it appears that the Arab coalition list leader says he will join with herzog to prevent netanyahu from forming a government. ''

      That's all very well and good, but has he been asked? Didn't Herzog explictly rule out any coalition with non those who don't keep kosher?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      I've heard the same shrugging off of Bibi's comments. ''So one guy says something in the heat of the moment and you tar all Israelis with it?'' Never mind that this 'one guy' has been the dominant figure in IsraeIi poIitiics for nearly a quarter of a century and is likely to be reelected PM yet again.

      This type of 'reasoning' never stopped them from going on and on and on and on about what 'one guy' - who's no longer even in power - said about 'wiping Israel off the map' a full decade ago. Never mind that he didn't even say it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 17, 2015 at 12:20 pm

      Yeah, I think 'libzios' are so desperate to undo the years of Bibi inflicted damage to their precious self image that they are exaggerating the chances of a 'leftist' win. I don't claim any expertise in Israeli party politics, but from what I've read, the most likely outcome is still that Bibi remains PM, albeit in a weaker position than before.

    • Tzipi Livni was the architect of the 'Cast Lead' massacre. She was also recorded, in the Palestine Papers, as turning down an offer from the PA which included everything but the kitchen sink - and maybe that could be thrown in too.

      Isaac Herzog complained that this summer's massacre wasn't 'tough' enough. During his tenure as Housing Minister, he greatly expanded the settlements, nearly all of which he has said Israel will keep.

      These people offer NOTHING except more colonialism and brutality. If Herzog becomes PM, fully expect another killing spree in Gaza within months, as this mild mannered administrator proves he's man enough to lead Israel.

      However, because he speaks nicely, and knows to be polite to his American betters, he will be regarded as the great white hope, and we'II be back to the 'no partner for peace' nonsense.

      In short, a Herzog government will be a complete disaster for the Palestinians, even more so than the status quo. Forza Bibi!

  • Fans of Barcelona basketball team show support for Palestine despite attacks on free speech
    • Not so long ago, FCB invited 'kidnapped' Israeli tank gunner Gilad Shalit as a guest of honour at the Camp Nou. They also invited the actually kidnapped Palestinian footballer Mahmoud Sarsak to 'balance' the invite. Sarsak, to his great credit, refused.

      FCB are not on the side of the angels here.

      link to electronicintifada.net

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      You're possibly too young to remember the extensive sporting boycott against Israel's partner in the 'war on dark people'. I mean, of course, Apartheid South Africa. But go on, walIow in your ''Why are you picking on poor lil baby Israel'' victimhood.

      link to inminds.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      I find that claim very hard to believe, tbh. The Catalans are going to allow agents of a foreign state to police their stadium? And of course, by appearing in a very public forum, with TV cameras and thousands of mobile phones, they are effectively outing themseIves and making themseIves targets.

      I know the Mossad aren't nearIy as sIick as they're made out to be, but this is beyond even their stupidity.

  • 'We aim to shape the democratic and moral alternative in this country' -- an interview with Ayman Odeh
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 16, 2015 at 7:22 pm

      ''What if Herzog and Obama joined hands in Ayman Odeh’s peace march? What if the Israeli crowd grew as enthusiastic for change as Congress was for Netanyahu? The die-hard racists left mutedly muttering on the sidelines?''

      What if pigs fly?

      It will not happen. 98% of Israeli Jews supported the Gaza massacre. Never forget that.

  • Selective voting in the land of Greater Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 14, 2015 at 4:09 pm

      A 2 state solution can practically never happen either.

      Why?

      There is no way in hell Israel can uproot hundreds of thousands of squatters, many of them armed fanatics, without risking civil war;

      As the great David Hirst has said, Zionism has always veered towards its most extreme direction. Israel will never be satisfied with their legally defined borders;

      How to link Gaza and the WB? Unless they have a physical link, Gaza will remain a '3rd state';

      The two states would be just too small and resource poor to exist as independent nations;

      There are probably more reasons that I can't think of right now, but Israel has simply made too many enemies to ever exist long term as a nation state. It's either one state or no states. The '2 state solution' is a chimera.

  • Netanyahu flails against int'l conspiracy, as liberal Zionists seek orange revolution against 'fading strongman'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 14, 2015 at 6:25 am

      '' Yossi and Yossita.''

      Yossita?

      seadfoid, you're a hoot. I'd pay to see you do standup!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 13, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Exactly. With Bibi, the penny was jusssst starting to drop. Even 'libzios' could see what a hidious place Israel was. Of course, they would stilll use the excuse that N'y wasn't the 'real Israel', but as time went on, and Bibi remained in power, pulling out the cartoons and insulting precious Western leaders -- much more precious than kids in Gaza - then it became harder to ignore the horrible reality.

      But if Herzog is PM, it will turn out as you say. We'll be back where we were a decade ago, with talk of 'generous offers', 'painful compromises' and what have you. Been there, done that. Forza Bibi!

    • Funny how the NYT never bothred about the 'settlements' before, but now that they see them as a tool to use against someone who upsets their smug little libzio self-image, they suddenly discover them?

    • The more I read, the more I want ''Bibi'' to win, awful as he is.

      If Herzog wins, the self congratulatory tripe from the 'libzio' brigade will be nauseating in the extreme. ''Orange revolution''? They really haven't got a clue, have they? They're voting in an election in the ''Middle east's only democracy'' not staging a 'revolution'.

      What is it about Isrealis that every thing they do has to be magnified a hundred times over? So when a rocket knocks the tile off a roof in Sderot, it's an 'existential threat', and when they go out to cast a vote it's a 'revolution'. What a parochial little place start up nation is.

  • 'J Street' leader promotes Israeli 'change' coalition that could include politician who called for beheading Arabs
    • You are not splitting hairs at all. You are absolutely correct in saying that Psaki, like all people in her position, does not choose words accidentally, and you are also correct to say that she has NOT condemned Evet Libermann's words.

      Note also how she used the plural 'statements' to refer to Liberman's incitement. What other statements does she have in mind? Followed by ''We would reiterate our call to avoid provocative actions and rhetoric such as this'' the obvious implication is that the 'other side' is also making such 'provocative' statements, when that is not the case at all.

      All things considered, the usual mealy mouthed obfuscation. If this had been an Iranian FM making such comments about Iranian Jews, the White House wouldn't have waited to be asked about it. Obama would have personally issued an unambigous condemnation within hours, and the mainstream media would have never shut up about it.

  • We may not have Netanyahu to kick around anymore
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      ''I see Zionism more as a Dick Cheney minus the warmth and charisma.''

      Now, THAT made me laugh out loud.

      Your comments alone make me love Mondoweiss!

    • From what I've read, Iran simply isn't an issue for most Israelis. They're most concerned with the same sort of things people everywhere are concerned with - housing, jobs, welfare benefits etc.

      Certainly, the suffering of the Palestinians doesn't seem to be at the forefront of their minds. It's as though it were on the other side of the world. So long as Yossi has a job to go to, who cares about Gaza/

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      Classic Freedland indeed. Note how he gives credence to the 'Jordanian option' but backs away - mainly because he doesn't want to inflict more Palestinian human waste on the Hashemite monarchs he, like all Zionists, is so in love with.

      He really is a piece of work. And he's worse now than then.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      But that would involve powers of introspection that most Israelis simply do not have.

    • Richard Silverstein has said that Herzog has explicitly ruled out any coalition with an Arab party. I wonder if that would change if he needed them badly enough? If so, I hope they charge a high price.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 2:28 pm

      I don't think that's an option, is it? I mean that Cast Lead Tzipi might be PM? I thought Herzog was the senior partner in that alliance?

      Anyway, should be interesting to see the horse trading, even if means nothing for the Palestinians. If what both you and I have been reading is correct, then it seems that Bibi will still be PM this time next week, albeit in a weaker position. So maybe the libzios should hold back on popping those champagne corks for the moment.

    • Despite all the libzio gushing over a 'new dawn', the analyses I've read suggest that the most likely scenario is that even if Labour get more seats than Likud, Bibi will still remain PM as he's more likely to be able to cobble a coalition together.

      Let's see.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:39 am

      ''Zionism needs to hurt badly before anyone in the Knesset other than the Palestinian MKs joins the reality based community.''

      Again I agree, seafoid.

      The reason there is almost universal support for expansionist Zionism in Israel is because it is virtually cost free. Oh sure, there are such outrages as having to miss the Holland-Costa Rica penalty shoot out because of a bomb alert, but Israelis really don't know what htey're talking about when they whine about being 'victims of terror'. With Bibi, there was just starting to be a cost for the occupation - increasing international isolation, the rise in BDS, and probably worst of all for those who think they belong to a sophisticated 'start up nation', the embarrasment of being led by a man who communicates via cartoons.

      If Herzog is elected, they can all feel a nice warm glow about having such a polite, reasonable and oh-so-moderate PM. And then it's back to blaming the Palestinians all over again. Not that that ever stopped, but with Bibi, it's getting harder to do so.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:26 am

      I agree, and I'm kind of surprised that some people here seem to think it can.

      Especially when the 'liberal' alternatives are Livni and Herzog. Seriously?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:25 am

      You think that Herzog, who complained that Bibi wasn't being tough enough during the Gaza massacre, whose tenure as Housing Minister included massive expansion of the 'settlements', who has ruled out an alliance with Palestinian parties and who has never ever opposed any of Israel's wars, sieges and killings, is a 'De Klerk'?

      I would say he's another Olmert. If he is elected, I fully expect another Gaza massacre within months, just to show us he can cut it with the big boys.

    • My thoughts exactly.

      The Peter Beinarts and Jonathan Freedlands of this world are praying for a Herzog victory. It won't improve things for the Palestinians one bit, but it will allow them to feel good about supporting racism again. It's all about them, you see.

    • ''Myself I will cheer to see Netanyahu’s back''

      While I will of course take some schadenfreude out of seeing Bibi dumped, if indeed that does come to pass, I've explained on another post why I hope he is re-elected. A Herzog victory will only galvanise the moral hypocrites known as 'liberal Zionists', set the merrygoround of 'peace talks' off again, allowing Palestinians to be blamed for their own occupation, while at the same time watching the expansion of the 'settlements' and the ongoing siege and regular turkey shoots in Gaza.

  • UC Berkeley Israel group wants to ban imaginary word rhyming with intifada as 'triggering, terrifying'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      In my first reply, I referred to jeffieb as 'Yonah' by accident.

      An easy mistake to make, given the verbosity and sheer head scratching incoherence of his - lengthy - post.

      Oh, and he's OBSESSED with BDS, which is great. Probably has nightmares about it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      Not just a great country.

      OBJECTIVELY a great country.

      I mean, it's so obvious that everyone is in awe of a country which lives off foreign hand outs, bombs its neighbours every few months and couldn't survive a single day without stuffing a jackboot in the face of an occupied people.

      Why can't you see that, Mooser? Everyone else can. Especially jeffie b. That's why he made 'aliyah' as soon as he could, just to partake in all this gloriousness. Oh, wait....

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:32 pm

      Not even Yonah?

    • All those dumb rag heads..... living in an environment for centuries and yet had no clue how to make it anything but a 'shithole', till those clever folks from Ukraine and Poland, obviously experts in managing desert climates, put things to rights.

      A bit like how none of those dullards in the region knew how to deep fry a chickpea until someone came from Lvov and kindly gave them the recipe for that well known Jewish delicacy, felafel.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 6:19 pm

      ''I’m making up historical nonsense? You can go to Israel today and see relics all over the place from Judaea. There are tens of thousands of archeological relics and documents attesting to Judaea. You are escaping into total fantasy.''

      For someone so pedantic about the meaning of 'state' you're making a bit of a fool of yourself if you want us to think that the existence of '' tens of thousands of archeological relics and documents attesting to Judaea'' means that Judaea was a 'state'. Obviously it was not. The concept didn't even exist until a few hundred years ago.

      ''They have big Israeli flags in their places of worship. They donate to Israeli causes. They have family there. They visit. They follow the news there. ''

      So what? I follow the news from Israel. That doesn't mean I have any tangible connectiosn with it. And some Jews CHOOSE to put flags or donate to 'charities'. Some non Jews do the same. Some Jews don't. These are choices people make. It's not at all the same thing as stating that all American Jews have some innate connection to Israel.They do not.

      ''Most Chinese have very few tangible connections to one another the Chinese are still a people. ''

      Very poor comparison. The Chinese people speak Chinese - or their ancestors did - have a common origin in China and share - or their ancestors shared - a similar culture. Jews have none of this. The only thing they have in common is religion. They are no more a 'people' than Buddhists or Protestants are.

      ''Of the 3.5m visitors to Israel annually 28% are Jewish most of that from the United States.''

      They don't stay long though, do they? Can't blame them. Life in a prosperous liberal democracy has to be a lot more appealing than life in an autistic garrison state.

      '' If collectives take collective action then Israelis / Jews can take collective action for or against Palestinians.''

      What the hell? A Jew in New York can take collective action against people on the other side of the world, simply because he/she is a Jew? What a tribalist you are.

      '' I’m in favor of of harming Iran because Iran is an enemy of the United States. I’m in favor of Israel harming Gaza because Gaza is an enemy of Israel. ''

      And.... here we go. The millions of people affected by sanctions and siege become simply 'Iran' and 'Gaza', yet when even a tiny fraction of the same is discussed with regard to Israel, it becomes 'collective punishment'. Again you prove that it's impossible to argue for Israel withotu indulging in grotesque double standards.

      ''As a member of the West I’m opposed to the West destroying Israel because among other reasons Israel is a friend of the West''

      Well, I'm a 'member of the West' too - whatever that means - and Israel ain't no friend of mine.

      ''As for BDS being less harsh than either of the above. That’s not all the case. Most BDSers support a ferocious blockade. Individuals differ. But they often advocate a total ban on travel and trade. They often seek a total ban on cultural interchange of almost any type. Something much closer to the sanctions regime imposed on North Korea. And they quite often quite openly seek complete economic collapse. That’s in a society whose advanced economy is absolutely necessary to maintain a food supply above 800k-1.4m people’s worth. Now they often don’t put 2 and 2 together and openly say they seek the deliberate and premeditated death by starvation of 90% of the population of Palestine. One could perhaps excuse them being thoughtless and stupid since they often don’t understand economics and there is a difference between rhetorical flights of fancy into genocidal rhetoric and an actual policy of genocide''

      You made that up.

      Every word of it.

      Must be a strange little mental world you live in.

      Just amazed you haven't long since departed for the lalaland you profess such love for.

      Your bizarre meanderings would seem quite normal there.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      ''The praise that Israel receives is because it objectively is a great country. The Jews came to the poverty stricken, malaria infesthed shithole that was Palestine, and in 100 years with constant opposition from the natives they’ve created a first world country there with a living standard on par with European countries. They came to revive the glory that was Judaea has instead in a century have far surpassed anything the Herodians could have dreamed of. ''

      The only possible reaction to this absurd little brain fart is to wonder why, if Israel is so 'objectively great' and 'glorious', Jeff B hasn't packed his bags long ago.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      Plus, what exactly is 'their own state'?

      Would an American Jew not consider the US to be his/her 'own state' because people who are not Jewish also live there? Is the same also true for members of other ethnic groups who live in multi-ethnic states, which is what most states in the world are?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 12:30 pm

      ''I think you mean state. You are confusing nation and state ''

      No. I mean nation. Why is the United Nations called just that, and not the 'United States'?

      ''y calling themselves Jews (i.e. Judaeans) they have mostly chosen to identify with the ancient state of Judaea and its modern successor Israel.''

      I'll overlook the made-up historical nonsense - Judeaa was never a 'state' nor is Israel a 'successor state' to anything - but if American Jews CHOOSE to 'identify with' a minor Asian state, that is, as you say, their choice. Very few of them have any tangible connections with the place. Most would never live there and many have never even visited. So any 'trauma' they feel, or claim to feel, is through their own choice.

      ''As for “would hate to live” Israel is a pretty nice place to live.''

      Sounds like a parochial, hate infested kip to me. And ain't it funny how all these US Jew'identify with' Israel, yet choose to steer well clear of it? Certainly, few Jews with other options have chosen to take up residence in Israel.

      ''Which is inconsistent with the entire BDS paradigm. If individual are the only thing that exists then Palestinians can’t collectively suffer, they can only individually suffer their individual problems. Similarly Israelis can’t collectively induce that suffering.''

      You're quite obsessed with BDS, which wasn't even mentioned in this discussion until you did, repeatedly. That's great!

      And your logic is faulty. Israelis, as a collective, vote for the governemnts which torment Palestinians, serve in the army which kills them, and live off the fruits of occupation. There are exceptions, but they will generally support BDS, just like genuinely anti-Apartheid white South Africans supported sanctions.

      Intersting to see you are so implacably opposed to all forms of boycott though. You must be thoroughly against the sanctions on Iran, not to mention the siege of Gaza, since you are obsessed with a form of boycott which would, even in its most extreme form, be far less harsh than either of the above.

    • ''I’m not Yonah. ''

      Sorry, must have been the incoherence in your post that made me confuse you two. And now you've gone and added to the confusion by not responding to the right post, so who can blame me?

      ''Part of being in a nation is identifying with that nation.''

      And American Jews, being in the nation of the US, should identify with that nation, surely, and not an Asian nation of indeterminate borders which most of them have never visited and would hate to live in?

      ''While not Israeli, they are cousins. ''

      I've never heard of the concept of being 'cousins' with a nation on another continent. Are they also 'cousins' of the 2O% of Israeli citizens who are Palestinian? Does their suffering 'traumatise' these Californians too?

      '' In much the same way that I by being an American am tied to “the western powers” including those I’m not part of.''

      No, you're not. What a silly thing to say. You can only be responsible for your own actions, not those of others, certainly not of other countries.

      ''I understand. ''

      I don't think you do. The rest of your post is a stream of consciousness non sequiteur.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 10:03 am

      Thanks for missing the point, Yonah.

      The Zionist hoodlums are saying that Jews in California are 'traumatised' by events in Israel, simply because they are Jews, and therefore have to be protected from such hateful words as 'intifadah'. In other words, it's fine to simply say that American Jews are automatically linked with Israel, when the desired result is to pain those Jews as victims and thereby delegitimise criticism of Israel. However, the very same people would be squealing about 'antisemitism' if anyone were to suggest that American Jews should also feel guilt over Israeli war crimes, simply because they are Jews.

      Personally, I don't think either is true. I don't think Jews in California are 'traumatised' by the intifadah - unless they've been brainwashed to think they should be - but nor do I think they should be held accountable for Israel's crime, simply because they are Jews. So my position is consistent. I doub the same could be said for the Zionist hoodlums above.

      Clear enough, Yonah?

    • ''But for the Jewish community, it immediately sparks memories of death, destruction, and some of the bloodiest scenes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.''

      So what they are saying is that members of the ''Jewish community'' feel deeply involved with a conflict on the other side of the world, which few if any of them will have personal experience of. In other words, simply because they are Jews, they automatically feel connected with events in Israel.

      Does that only apply when the connection is with perceived victimhood? In other words, if someone suggested that all members of the on campus ''Jewish community'' were somehow stained by Israeli atrocities, would that be OK? Or would the NYT be writing articles about the ''surge of antisemitism'' if such a thing were suggested?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      So you had to go all the way to South Africa to find an 'antisemitic' comment eh?

      Meanwhile, in the Middle East's only democracy, a Moldovan nite klub bouncer advocates the beheading of his own fellow citizens.

      You have your priorities, jons, and I have mine.

    • ''Din'' means 'faith' in Arabic. Law is something like ''adal'', though I'm prepared to be corrected on that by any of the Arabic speakers here.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 1:54 pm

      ''Jewish students have the right to feel safe at all times ''

      These fools really are beyond parody. So the use of a WORD makes them 'feel unsafe'? WTF? Their self obsession and desire for victimhood knows no bounds.

      '' But for the Jewish community, it immediately sparks memories of death, destruction, and some of the bloodiest scenes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.''

      What the.......? Firstly, very few American Jews have first hand memories of the intifadah. They may choose to 'identify' with people on another continent because they share a religion many of them don't even practice, but it's not like more than a tiny minority of them suffered as a result of it. Most of them would have been pretty young during the last intifadah, and not even born during the first, so how can they have 'memories' of it? Oh yes, I forgot. American Jews are a 'traumatised' community so the rest of us have to pussyfoot around them in case they might burst into tears, like that silly girl in the Norman Finkelstein video.

      The word ''Israel' brings up connotations of violence, misery and ethnic cleansing for many Arab students. Should we ban it too, in the name of an 'inclusive' atmosphere?

  • Neocon meteor Sen. Cotton is funded by Abrams, Adelson and Kristol and loves war a little too much
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm

      ''For me, this is a huge deal. Clinton was supposed to be this AIPAC-friendly hawk and here she is selling them down the river.''

      I'm not sure if it's that, exactly. It's just that the arrogant AIPAC fools badly overplayed their hand. They forced Hilary, and other Democrats, to do something they have never had to do before - to publicly choose between Israel and their own party. And even the most cravan Israel lackey, which Clinton is, had no choice but to defend Obama.

      This is where the lobby slipped up, badly. They have at long last brought their nefarious workings into the harsh light of day, and made Israel a bipartisan issue. As Julia Roberts might say. Big mistake. Huge.

  • On first campaign stop in West Bank, Netanyahu warns that 'radical elements' want to take over Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 9:38 am

      ''If we disapprove of militarism, authoritarianism, colonialism and racism why be cheer-leaders for militarists, authoritarians, colonialists and racists?''

      That is about as willfull a misreading of my post as is humanly possible.

      You seriously think that Herzog - who in his long political career has supported the conquest of Palestine in every way, and who complained this summer that Bibi was not being hard enough on Gaza - is NOT a 'militarist, authoritarian, colonialist and racist'? Are you telling me that Tzipi 'Cast Lead' Livni - is NOT a 'militarist, authoritarian, colonialist and racist'?

      I repeat my question: In what way will a Labour victory improve the lot of the Palestinians one tiny fraction? Could you please tell me, based on your knowedge of Livni and Herzog's political careers, how they will work to end the siege of Gaza, stop the conquest of the West Bank - which Herzog, in his time as Housing Minister, actively encouraged, or cease the daily humiliations, privations and murders ordinary Palestinians have to endure?

      If a 'moderate' leader is elected, libzios the world over will rejoice. Not becuase anything will improve for Palestinians - that has never been a priority for them - but because it will once again allow them to feel good about loving a racist, colonial state with an appalling human rights record. With Bibi, Zionism inches further and further along the road to self destruction.

      Again, if you feel I'm wrong and that Livni or Herzog's record indicates that they are genuine about justice for the Palestinians, please provide details.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 8:29 am

      '' I think the world has had it with Netanyahu lies, war mongering, arrogance and open control of Congress ''

      Which is precisely why I hope he wins!

      With Herzog, Livni or whoever, the lie of 'liberal Zionism' will be taken out for a walk once again, and we'll have another few years of 'negotiations', 'no partner for peace', 'both sides' etc etc. With Bibi, it's much much harder to pretend that Israel is a nice, liberal democracy just like Britain or the US. That is why he needs to stay on.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 11, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      From the article:

      ''Speaking at January’s meeting, EJC President Moshe Kantor asserted that it is “incumbent on the European Union to urgently place combating anti-Semitism as one of its highest priorities because this is a hatred that transcends borders and cannot be dealt with by any single nation on its own.”

      ''one of its highest priorities'' eh? Because the economic crisis in several memberstates, the massive inflow of refugees and illegal immigrants, the war in Ukraine, and so on, are only minor problems compared to 'antisemitism'?

    • ''whose ideology contributed to the assassination of Yitzak Rabin, ''

      Yitzak 'break their bones' Rabin? Sorry, but I'll shed no tears.

      ''brought us the Iraq War''

      Netanyahu was not in power then.

      ''would lead us to war – nuclear war – with Iran,''

      That's what he wants you to believe. The man whose army shat themselves in Gaza isn't as macho as you think. There will be no war with Iran.

      ''The Israeli electorate has grown tired of Netanyahu’s leadership, and he is in a panic about that.''

      He's still the favourite to be PM this time next week. And the Israeli electorate only care about themselves, and the fact that cartoon Bibi makes them look bad. The suffering of the Palestinians, which as the enthusiastic support of most Israelis, didn't even figure in the elections.

      ''In Herzog’s hands, the Israeli body politic can begin a new direction.''

      Do you ACTUALLY believe that? Do you seriously think that Herzog, who complained that Bibi wasn't being 'tough' enough during the Gaza massacre, is going to lead us to a kinder, gentler Israel? Or is he just going to put a 'reasonable' face on massacres, sieges and ethnic cleansing? I strongly suspect the latter.

      What in Herzog's record makes you think he will be a change for the better, in substance rather than style?

      ''It’s irresponsible to hope for continuation in order to prove by catastrophe that past political theories were flawed, when they can be corrected by an election.''

      I don' t even know what that means, but I do know that the systemic and inherent evil of Zionism cannot be changed by electing one racial supremacist rather than another.

    • There's an article in the Guardian about how Herzog is supposedly closing the gap in the elections. The comments are full of ''Herzog sounds like a reasonable guy'' and ''I hope Israelis see sense and get rid of warmonger Bibi'' stuff. In other words, they are falling for the libzio lie that the problem isn't Zionism, but Bibi. Just like before, the problem wasn't Zionism, but Sharon.

      I really REALLY hope that Bibi wins. Nothing will improve for the Palestinians no matter which Zionist fanatic is in power, so it might as well be one who antagonises the world and makes the ugly face of israel impossible to ignore, even for libzios who are experts in averting their eyes.

  • Israel's Foreign Minister calls for beheading Arab citizens and it's not anywhere in the New York Times
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 12, 2015 at 7:04 am

      Have you got a source for that Sharon? And how many of that ''95%'' went to Israel?

      ''the remaining 9 thousand don’t dare say anything “disloyal” or they’d be hanged.''

      Again, I'd love to see a source for this. In any case, since you don't condemn Evet Lvovich Libermann's remarks, I take it you'd be quite OK with this?

    • 3 days on and The Guardian finally takes notes of Lieberman's incitement - in a single throwaway sentence buried deep within an article on the elections.

      ''In contrast, rivals have often sounded inflammatory appeals, not least foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, who suggested about disloyal Israeli Arabs: “Those who are against us, there’s nothing to be done – we need to pick up an axe and cut off his head.”

      So he 'suggested' it, did he? How polite of him. And the word 'disloyal' taken at face value by IDF hack Peter Beaumont. All part of electioneering.

      Could you imagine The Guardian being so nonchalant if an Iranian minister had made similar remarks about 'disloyal' Iranian Jews? We'd never hear the end of it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 10, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      ''MDM: Of course there are two sides. What do you think conflict is made of?''

      It's not a 'conflict'. It's an occupation.

      ''nd yes, I’m suggesting Israel should shrug off, equally egregious trash talking on the Iranian side. ''

      You still don't get it, do you? This is the FM of a country openly calling for the beheading of HIS OWN FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN. Got it? If an Iranian leader did the same about his Jewish populatoin, we'd never hear the end of it, and I guarantee you wouldn't be saying 'nothing here to see' if he did.

      '' The result of not doing so is Netanyahu torpedoing nuclear non-proliferation talks because he would rather impose crushing sanctions and bomb.''

      Lol you're delusional. Netanyahu is the PM of a minor Asian state with no seat at the negotiations regarding Iran. Sanctions are not his to 'impose'. As for bombing, his army ran away squealing from Hizballah and Hamas, so you'd have to be nuts to think they're going to take on Iran.

      ''he crazies on both sides''

      Except that the 'crazies' are high ranking ministers.

      Maybe Israel itself is the crazy one?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius March 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      No, that is not the question.

      The question - to repeat - is:

      ''Please tell me of ANY examples of ANY Arab or Iranian leader making a similar comment about their own citizens.''

      I'm still waiting.

      Oh, and the Nasrallah 'quote' in Goldberg's article is almost certainly a fabrication. But what do you expect from a 'journalist' who once volunteered as an IDF prison guard?

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