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  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:54 pm with 1 replies

      And Israel's 'friends' in the junta that came to power through a coup d'etat?

      Yup, they're real honest brokers.

      By their friends ye shall know them.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:49 pm with 1 replies

      ''Egypt and Jordan are perfect cases in point. ''

      Do you mean when Israel sent in a gang of typically inept Mossad clowns to try to murder Khaled Meshal in Amman, ended up getting caught and risked the death sentence?

      I hardly think trying to commit state-sponsored murder in another country's capital constitues a 'perfect' track record.

      BTW I see you speak of 'borders'. Could you provide a map with Israel's internationally recognised declared borders?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      I wonder do they also supply nappies to the IDF boys? Given that they're not known for showing courage in battle, I suspect they might need them.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 10:13 am

      ''the supposed “Palestinian people’s honor”''

      One of the classic anti-Arab smears propounded by Israelists for decades has been that Arabs are irrational, emotional and concerned about their 'honour'. Yet any fool can see that it's the Israelis who are motivated by a 'shame and honour' mentality. Look at how they responded to the loss of a few of their precious professional killers in Gaza a few days ago - they went on a rampage killing tens of people, just out of wounded macho spite.

      And any 'proposal' which involves the people of Palestine renouncing the right to defend themselves against IDF monsters isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 9:46 am

      ''Meanwhile, Kerry and el- Sisi and most probably Blair are in Egypt discussing the future of the Palestinian people!''

      Nope, not Blair. He's partying in London. Watch a Channel 4 journalist following him around to ask why he isn't in Gaza:

      link to blogs.channel4.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 9:44 am

      Like a certain Mondoweiss poster, the EU foreign ministers seem far more agitated about anti-semitic attacks than they are about the 6OO dead of Gaza.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 9:42 am with 2 replies

      ''Hamas resorts to violence, which is often indiscriminate and targets civilians – also due to the lack of precision weapons. ''

      But how can Hamas 'target civilians' when it has no guiding systems on its weapons? Plus, due to Israeli censorship, we don't hear of all the rockets which land close to any of Israel's many military facilities. The Beduin who died a few days ago due to rocket fire lived close to the nuclear plant of Dimona, which was presumably the target. And other than him, and on settler 'bringing food to the troops' - whatever that means - ALL of Israel's casualties thus far have been soldiers.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis
    • Funny, isn't it? A rocket which knocked a tile off a roof in Sderot, or interrupted a barbeque in Ashkelon, is a war crime so appalling that hundreds of civilians must be killed 'in response'. And if you disagree, you'll be reminded that Israelis live in constant threat of a deadly barrage of missiles, and spend their days running fearfully for cover.

      Yet now, suddenly they want to downplay the threat. A rocket lands a mile from the airport, but that's not a problem, even after MH 17? Sorry, but when you've spent the last decade telling the world how deadly these rockets are, you can't really turn around now and say they're harmless just because they threaten the tourist season.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:55 pm with 3 replies

      Israelis might have to get used to this sight:

      link to live.aljazeera.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:44 pm

      bilal

      And the people are a hundred times friendlier too.

    • Apparently, Bibi has asked John Kerry to use his influence to reverse the FAA decision not to fly to Israel. Good luck with that. No government will want to be seen compromising its people's safety after the Malaysia Airlines disaster. No, not even for Israel.

      Bibi clearly is NOT a happy camper. This isn't quite the lovely little 'lawn mowing' episode he had wanted.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:08 pm with 2 replies

      Not only that, but the very first thing the IDF did in their last World Cup Special - Lebanon July 2oo6 - was to bomb the runways at Hariri International Airport in Beirut.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      Well, the Qataris are masters of playing both sides. They also rolled out the red carpet for Shimon Perez a few years ago. And while they host a US military base half the size of the country itself, they also have Taliban offices, and were the first destination for the Taliban fighters released in exchange for that US soldier/deserter a few months ago. Perhaps the tiny size of Qatar, and its on/off - but mostly on - enmity with big brother next door, leads them to playing all sides of every game.

      link to i41.tinypic.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:04 pm

      I lived in Riyadh for several years, and at a party at the French embassy I got talking to this guy from one of the top Saudi families. In all my years there, he was the ONLY Saudi I ever met who had a single good thing to say about Israel. ''They have the right to live in peace and defend themselves'', he said, as though he were John Kerry, adding that if he wanted, he could travel to Tel Aviv any time, and be welcomed there.

      I felt like telling him: Don't fool yourself. For the Israelis, you're just another dumb Arab. The fact that you lower yourself to deal with them will only make them despise you all the more.

      But I didn't bother.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 4:01 pm with 1 replies

      The same.

      I always wish some journo would say to him: ''You come from a prosperous, liberal democracy with equal rights for all. If Israel is as dangerous as you say - with millions of traumatised people cowering in bomb shelters every day - why on earth did you choose to take up residence there, when you could be in sunny Melbourne?''

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 3:41 pm

      That's what I think now.

      Israel is claiming to be at war, with 'a barrage of missiles targetting millions of Israelis' blah blah blah.

      Well, if Israel is at war, then Israel is a war zone. And given the huge criticism made of MA for flying over a war zone last week, I doubt any airline is going to take the risk just now. They couldn't say they wren't warned, could they?

      And yes, if BG is out of service for some time, the Israeli ghetto is cut off. What are they going to do? Beg the Jordanians to allow them access to the big bad Jew hating world? Ha!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 3:38 pm with 4 replies

      NEVER underestimate the treachery of the polygamous Khaleej sheikhs.

      Aren't there also rumours that UAE 'intelligence' were complicit in the Al Mabhou murder?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      State Dept has issued statement warning against all 'non-essential' travel to Israel and the WB. Will enraged hotel owners be urging Bibi to call a halt? Or is Israel really as steadfast as it likes to think it is?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 3:13 pm with 3 replies

      You clearly haven't been keeping up. 24 hours - and the rest. Several major airlines have suspended flights to Israel 'until further notice'. That sounds like a lot longer than 24 hours.

      And even if flights are restarted quickly, in this climate of aviation nervousness following the Malaysia Airlines disaster, people aren't going to be queuing up to fly to Israel. There goes this tourist season. It's a paltry matter in the face of the loss of hundreds of lives, but this war is going to cost Israel billions. Like I said, the privation doesn't compare to what hte people of Gaza or even the WB have been suffering for years, but for spoilt Israelis, it will hurt.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm with 1 replies

      I don't necessarily think there's anything secretive going on.

      Remember that following the Malaysia Airlines disaster, airlines are going to be very, very nervous about flying anywhere near anywhere that could be called a war zone. It's simply not worth the risk for them. And even if the ban on flying to TA is soon lifted, huge damage has been done. In this nervous climate, people are going to think twice about flying to Israel. There goes the image of 'Brand Israel' as a fun Mediterranean destination - never mind the war. Just think - all those years and all that money spent trying to promote Israel as a sex tourism destination, all gone with one rocket.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 2:03 pm with 6 replies

      ''Forty members of the UAE "aid convoy" which entered the Gaza Strip last week have been revealed as intelligence agents. They were, it is believed, trying to collect information about Hamas and its infrastructure in the besieged territory.

      According to one informed source, a local Palestinian recognised one of the agents as a soldier in the UAE armed forces. He contacted the security forces in Gaza who took the agent in for questioning. ''

      link to middleeastmonitor.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm with 1 replies

      On the contrary, it's an EXCELLENT sign!

      Bang goes this year's tourist season. Bang go all those holidays those poor beleaguered Israelis were looking forward to. Air Canada has recalled a TA-bound plane in mid-flight. This will cost them millions a day.

      The country which put Gaza under sadistic siege for years is now getting a teeny tiny taste of its own medicine. And not one moment too soon.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      Air France and KLM have followed suit, suspending flights until 'further notice'.

      Like I said, this is a miniscule fraction of the suffering the people of Gaza have been going through for years, but then, Israelis are infinitely more pampered than Palestinians and will feel the pinch. Oh, and are people still saying that the rockets are only 'targetted at civilians'? Hitting BG - which Hamas have clearly been trying to do for ages - is a master stroke.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 1:09 pm with 9 replies

      I can't find the link, and in any case I'm loath to link to the lying amoral toad, but I remember when Israel killed journalists in the last Gaza war, Mark Regev went on Al Jazeera and essentially said ''They're not journalists, they're Palestinians''. For Israel EVERY Arab is a legitimate target, and they know that when they kill them, there will be zero uproar anywhere that counts. Israel is deep deep into fascist territory now.

      BTW not exactly on topic, but I can't think of anywhere else to put it: The FAA has suspended American flights to Israel for 24 hours following a rocket hit 1km from Ben Gurion airport. That's this holiday season shot to hell then. It seems churlish to talk of such a minor thing when civilians are being slaughtered in their hundreds but Israel is not used to privation. This will hurt.

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm

      ''I don’t get it- these were political activists, socialists, idealistic kibbutz builders striving to make the desert bloom.''

      No they weren't. Zionism has ALWAYS been about contempt for the indigenous population of Palestine. Israel could never have existed without the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of people.

      And the 'idealistic' Labour Zionists you describe were always adamant that workers' rights applied to Jews only, and Arabs had no place in their Zio lala land. There was never any such thing as an innocent Israel. Only in the deluded day dreams of soft Zionists like Chomsky.

  • Netanyahu's latest 'cartoon evidence': racist image identifying Muslims with terror
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 4:56 pm with 1 replies

      Yes, they're shite. They look like they were churned out by a 1st year student in Graphic Design. Or maybe even a kid with whatever Microsoft tool does that sort of thing.

      BTW this poster was being pushed by Israeli media a week or so ago. It purports to be a 'hamas poster' used in Gaza, urging civilians to act as human shields. But as was quickly pointed out, the poster has never been seen anywhere other than IDF propaganda sites. Also, Arabic speakers noted the use of diacritic marks in the poster, which is odd, as diacritics are almost never used in these cases. Then there's the fact that the style is oddly reminiscent of Israeli propaganda cartoons.

      So my guess is that it was the work of the same spotty 1st year Graphic Design student, with a bit of help from one of MEMRI's translators.

      link to s14.postimg.org

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 3:20 pm with 3 replies

      It also shows how comically overrated Israeli 'intelligence' is. I think it was Robert Baer who said the only thing in which Mossad excel is PR. Think about it: Gaza is under constant Israeli surveillance and siege, and although Hamas seem to have done a good job at weeding out collaborators, there are surely plenty of informers there too. And yet it seems the IDF didn't have a clue what lay in wait for them, just like they had no idea what hit them - quite literally - in Lebanon.

      Is there a single thing - other than the ability to inflict mass brutality - in which Israel is NOT overrated?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 2:38 pm with 4 replies

      Cartoon agitprop for a cartoon nation. A horror cartoon.

      Imagine if the leader of any Muslim nation published a cartoon associating a guy in a kippa or a woman in a Jewish headcover with terrorism. MEMRI would seize on it, and news channels the world over would have it as headline news. Abe Foxman would decry this outrageous anti-semitism. Obama would condemn it. But because it's Muslims, it's OK.

      And what's with the baby carriage? Never mind that those dumb schmucks don't know that women in Gaza don't use those US style contraptions - even if they could buy them - I wonder if it's implying that babies are legitimate targets?

      It is, isn't it?

  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm

      ''Now play “The Hatikvah”! Go ahead, play it!''

      And the stern little nod from Rick. LOVE it!

      link to youtube.com

      BTW didn't the Israelis steal their national anthem, just like they stole their country?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 3:49 pm with 1 replies

      Hmmmm...... going by this reply, you'd almost think some Zionists WANTED there to be anti-semitic attacks in Europe? But that would NEVER happen, would it?

      But I've got news for you: It'll take much more than a few hundred French Jews to save Israel. Much, much more.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 3:35 pm with 3 replies

      LOL Mooser very good. I don't think hophmi's problems amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world though.

      BTW it's always so funny when you take the piss out of someone and then, right on cue, they do EXACTLY what you were mocking them for. I said a few days ago that while hophmi was curiously silent about the mass slaughter being inflicted by his hero army in Gaza, he remains TERRIBLY sensitive to 'anti-semitism' taking place in another continent. Poor guy is so traumatised he forget to offer us his justification for why Israel has bombed yet another hospital.

      Priorities, priorities.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 3:30 pm with 1 replies

      Interesting.

      I agree that the only thing acceptable is a TOTAL end to the siege, with, preferably, all border crossing manned by EU or UN personnel. Any 'relaxing' of the crossing points will just mean that Israel will reimpose the siege with even greater vengeance once the world looks away, which it will very soon.

      Problem is: There is no way Israel will consent to a total lifting of the siege. Meshaal said today that he won't accept anything less, but who knows, it may have been bluster. Abbas is almost as untrustworthy as Bibi. I have also read that the Egyptians are open to 'changing some details' on 'their' proposal for a 'ceasefire'. Let's see.

    • ''I wonder if Obama has told nietanhayu to cease and desist and Israeli is getting as much revenge as it can before the boom is lowered on their heads.''

      I think it may be more likely that Bibi has hinted to Obama that he wanted a way out. So Obama is 'pressuring' him to accept a ceasefire, which Israel will reluctantly, magnanimously accept, so offering him a face-saving exit. And yes, I do think the vindictive rage which is such a characteristic of Zionism will lead to the rampage being stepped up even further before any ceasefire. A bit like how the humiliated IDF covered South Lebanon with landmines before running away in the July war.

      Obama doesn't make demands of Israel. Quite the opposite. I don't think Obama would have made such an open call for a ceasefire if he hadn't OK-ed it with Bibi first.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 1:57 pm with 7 replies

      ''Just a small remark- 40 million dollars had cost those home-made rockets alone.''

      Where are you getting your numbers from? Does Hamas make budgetary announcements? Got a link?

      In any case, $4o million is a relatively paltry sum. Your joke of an ''Iron Dome'' cost hundreds of millions for an elaborate PR stunt. But I suppose it's most American taxpayers footing the bill, so who cares?

      ''Millions were spend building bunkers- don’t you think they could’ve been spent better?''

      Hmmmm.... lemme think. I guess Hamas could have invested in trade and commerce. Oh wait, no, Gaza is under siege and cannot trade with anyone. I suppose they could have built more infrastructure? Oh wait, Israel will bomb that to smithereens at the first opportunity.

      You hasbarats need to update your talking points.

    • The Moldovan nite klub bouncer is talking about banning Al Jazeera from operating in Israel.

      The Middle East's only democracy, the serene villa in the jungle of the backward Arab masses.

      Not.

  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated)
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 13, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      And the 'target' himself - the Gaza head of police - survived.

      Reminds me of the 1983 bombing of a Beirut mosque, intended to kill Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah. He survived, 80+ worshippers did not.

  • Massacre in Gaza: At least 60 killed in Shuja'iyeh, over 60,000 in UN shelters
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 6:23 pm

      Massive celebrations in Ramallah, with thousands on the streets, many waving Hamas flags. Seems some of them stormed a near-by 'settlement' too.

      Fatah must be almost as worried as Bibi right now. They've been shown up for the spineless collaborators they are, even enabling the massacres in Gaza, whereas Hamas have put up stiff resistance, particularly if the story of the captured soldier is true. The Palestinian people are not fools, and may now demand more from their 'leaders'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      Al J E's Jerusalem correspondent claiming that ''Israeli sources'' are saying that Hamas do have an Israeli soldier but that it's most likely he's dead, not alive. I wonder how they'd know though. Clearly, the guy QB are claiming is captured did not return to the barracks, so he's either dead or captured. Not sure how the IDF can know which is which - it's clear that their intelligence in Gaza is pretty poor.

      Also on AJE, Osama Hamdan seemed to confirm that a soldier had been captured. Still all very unclear.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 5:55 pm

      Yes, I fear that - assuming the soldier has indeed been captured - the rage and spite of the IDF will lead them to redouble their massacres. Already, suburbs in the East of Gaza have had electricity cut off. It's going to be another horrible night, I fear.

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    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 5:42 pm with 3 replies

      It's all very confusing. I don't think the IDF themselves have made any comment, but some sources are saying that the guy was on a list of 'fallen' soldiers last night, but that that post had since been deleted. Also, Hamas themselves, as opposed to Qassam Brigades, haven't confirmed the capture. However, it took them several hours to announce the death of the 15 soldiers yesterday, so I wouldn't expect them to admit the guy was captured yet.

      I do think it's more likely than not that the QB are telling the truth. So far, they've shown themselves to be a more trustworthy source than the IDF< which admittedly isn't saying much. And I don't think they'd risk stirring up such celebrations, only to have it revealed they were lying to the Palestinian people. But it's really hard to know what's going on. The only way to know for sure is if Hamas produce the soldier holding today's copy of 'Al Quds'. Let's see.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      IDF apparently saying the 'captured' soldier is dead.

      We only have their word, versus that of Qassam Brigades, but I believe the latter.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:50 pm

      Yes, AJE showing live pictures of people out on the streets in Gaza and Ramalllah, celebrating the news.

      No doubt those who had nothing to say about Sderot Cinema will be tut-tutting at those primitive Palestinians celebrating what by any standards is a formidable and legitimate military achievement.

      On a related note, Bibi is deep deep into shit creek.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:38 pm with 6 replies

      I can't decide if the capture of the IDF solider - appears to be an 'elite' Golani brigade member - is good or bad. On the one hand, it's great that Hamas has a bargaining chip - we all know how the Israelis fret over their precious soldiers.

      On the other, Israeli rage and vindictiveness - both of which should NEVER be underestimated - might lead them to do what they do best, and then some: blow up civilians in huge numbers. And if they kill the captured soldier, well then, they might say, that's war, and some sacrifices are neccessary.

      What does anyone think? Help me out here!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:26 pm

      Jd65,

      I'm not implying that you value Israelis lives more than Palestinian lives, and I'm sorry if my post could have been read that way.

      But yes, I do think it odd that, when nearly 1oo Palestinians have been murdered in 24 hours, you think it 'intellectually inferior' that some of us are not crying over the deaths of IDF soldiers. These men chose to sign up for a brutal regiment in a brutal army. Had they lived, they would very likely have killed yet more Palestinians. It is precisely the fact that Israel is able to kill without consequence that has enabled them to carry out massacres like this on a regular basis.

      So no, I'm not going to mourn these deaths, and I don't see anything 'intellectually inferior' in that position. Anyway, I've said what I have to say on this, so maybe best to move on.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      Hard to say how it could play out..... it's true that the IDF bombed Gaza heavily when Shalit was captured, but if they repeat that, I doubt Hamas would hesitate to execute the captive. What Israeli leader wants to be seen as the man who sacrified one of their precious soldiers?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:10 pm

      Yes, but what are Qatar actually DOING to stand up for Gaza? Announcing a cut in gas sales to any country that supports Israel? Of course not.

      Don't forget that only a few years ago, Shimon Peres received the red carpet treatment in Doha. With friends like the qataris, who needs enemies?

      link to matthewmachowski.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:07 pm with 1 replies

      And this time, they'll have a much harder time convincing the world to feel sorry for a poor, innocent young boy who was 'kidnapped'.

      If this story is true - and it seems to be - then Bibi is deep in the doggy doo. The capture of a live IDF soldier is more of a benefit to the resistance than 1o dead ones. This is big.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      Ayman Mohyeldin tweeting that Hamas has announced the capture of an Israeli soldier.

      link to twitter.com

      I hope they've got heavy duty nappies over at IDF Central.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 4:00 pm with 1 replies

      What's 'too many people' seafoid? Israel murdered 15OO in 'cast lead' and the siege only intensified.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:58 pm with 2 replies

      ''Why all of you use the words “massacre” and “slaughter”? ''

      Eh..... because we've got these high fallutin' new items called TV's.

      They haven't discovered them yet in start-up nation?

      And I'm not going to check your profile. If you have the link I asked for, it shouldn't be a problem to find it.

      '' IDF is defending the Israeli civilians from all those war criminals shooting missiles on Israeli cities and towns.''

      But they're not doing very well, are they? More Israelis - albeit soldiers, becuase unlike the IDF, Hamas is not targetting civilians - have been killed in the past few days than in the past few years.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      I hope so too, Walid.

      Abunimah's tweet said Obama mentioned a cease-fire along the lines of 2O12, ie, where the siege will be lifted at some unspecified time, ie never.

      I'm wondering where Qatar is in all this? Hamas, as MB, is supposed to be their ally? Apparently Israel 'refused' to deal with them as a ceasefire broker, presumably for that reason. But I hope Hamas aren't daft enough to allow Egypt to be a 'broker'.

      BTW I did not know that about the July war. I know the Khaleejis were behind Israel - they came close to openly admitting it, but then back-peddled when the scale of the slaughter became obvious. It was clear this was a planned war to 'kwash de kheezbalakh', surely as a back-door way to attack Iran.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      Yes, I remember the same after the Mavi Marmara massacre.

      For hours after the news broke, the hasbarists were nowhere to be seen, which is unusual for them. Then, after several hours, they were back in a swarm, all of them spouting the exact same propaganda lines. It was hilarious how just about every single one of them was an instant expert in the obscure 'San Remo treaty', because there was supposedly - though not really - some line in there that justified the assault. Obviously hasbara central had put out that talking point, and they all ran with it. It was comical to see.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      Again, you're not reading my posts. These guys were 'elite' career soldiers. They chose to make a life out of killing. But that's OK because they were 'indoctrinated'? Are we back to the ''Israelis as victims even when they're killers' line? Sounds like something I'd read in the hasbara handbook, not Mondoweiss.

      And I think a better comparison is with white South Africans, not Germans in the Nazi era. These guys may be 'indoctrinated' but they are free to travel and access international media. Many of them WERE born abroad. But they want to preserve their racial priviliges at the expense of Palestinian lives. They do not deserve my pity, just my contempt.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:41 pm

      LOL! Another brain-washed bot! There's not a scrap of evidence that your Iron Sieve has saved a single life, for all American taxpayers' generous charity.

      And since I have no intention of going anywhere near your shithole of a country, your expensive piece of junk is of no use to me.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      ''US President Barack Obama told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he has serious concerns about the rising number of casualties from clashes between Israel and the Palestinians.

      Obama spoke by telephone to Netanyahu for the second time in three days. He told him Israel has the right to defend itself and he reiterated US condemnation of attacks by Hamas against Israel.

      "The president also raised serious concern about the growing number of casualties, including increasing Palestinian civilian deaths in Gaza and the loss of Israeli soldiers," the White House said in a statement describing the conversation.

      [AFP]

      Since the White House has announced this publicly, it does seem they are laying the ground for a face-saving exercise for Bibi. Same thing happened in the July war eight years ago. Israel goes on a rampage, puts itself up shit creek, and the US is asked to bail them out.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:36 pm with 2 replies

      He will say that Obama 'pressured' him into a ceasefire and he had no choice. Also, he'll concoct some reason to say their 'objectives have been achieved'.

      But yes, the even more extreme Israeli right will accuse him of being 'soft'. Which means that, if the siege remains, there'll be another 'lawn mowing' episode a year or two down the line. Walid is right: Hamas must insist, as far as they can, on having the siege lifted. If not, Gazans will be sitting ducks the next time - and there WILL be a next time - some Israeli 'leader' needs to appear macho or test new weaponry on lab rats.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      Elizabeth,

      ''they have been indoctrinated fron childhood.''

      And yet some Isarelis manage to break free of that indoctrination. Not many, but a few. Your line of thinking implies that adults do not have responsibility for their actions if they have been 'indoctrinated'. These men CHOSE to sign up for a notoriously brutal 'brigade'. They CHOSE to fight in a war which has already killed hundreds of innocents. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? Nah.

      If they had lived, it's highly likely they would have killed Palestinians, and felt absolutely no remorse. In fact, they'd probably have been very happy about it. So please, don't ask me to care about these trained killers. You've never heard of the phrase 'Live by the sword, die by the sword'? These men chose to live by the sword - or rather, the heavily armoured tank and F16 - and very likely have Palestinian blood on their hands. This time, they were at the wrong end of the sword. You're going to have to forgive me for not shedding tears over them.

    • Ali Abunimah is tweeting that Obama wants Netanyahu to call off the war.

      I have a suspicion that, if this is true, it has much less to do with the massacre of civilians than with the fact that an unacceptably high number of precious occupation soldiers have been killed, and Bibi is up shit creek. I'm guessing - again, assuming the story is true - that Bibi asked Obama to 'pressure' him into accepting a ceasefire. That way Israel will save face and extricate themselves from this quandary of thier own making. I mean, if Obama cared about civilians, wouldn't he have opposed the 'war' from the start? He must know that, when the IDF goes on the rampage, huge numbers of Palestinians die.

      link to twitter.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      ''I can still muster the intellectual ability to understand that saying you “don’t care” about a person being killed – even if this person is a soldier on the wrong side of history – is morally wrong. ''

      Sorry, what 'intellectual ability' are you referring to? I see nothing intellectually inferior about saying that if someone chooses to make a career out of serving in an army which has killed thousands of innocent civilians, and took part in an operation designed to kill many more, then I'm not going to cry if that person is, for once, on the wrong side of a bullet. Would you prefer if he had lived to kill yet more Palestinians?

      It's quite interesting that you seem to have a lot more to say about occupation soldiers killed in battle than about the hundreds of Palestinian civilians who were their victims.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 2:55 pm with 3 replies

      Whatever money Gaza gets from Qatar is a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of dollars in annual charity handouts Israel gets from the US. ''Start-up nation'' couldn't even afford to fund the lousy sound and light farce known as the 'Iron Dome'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 2:49 pm with 5 replies

      ''Much more noise than light.''

      Odd phrase, from someone who has just written a head-scratchingly inarticulate comment.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 2:38 pm with 2 replies

      '' they did not deserve to die''

      They were part of an invasion force which has killed hundreds of civilians in a week. What fate did they 'deserve'? Do you think it would have been better if they had been allowed to continue to slaughter civilians? Isn't death an occupational hazard when you join a brutal army?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      A bit like how much vaunted 'liberal Zionist' David Grossmann publicly supported the July war on Lebanon...... until his own son was killed. And then he expected people to feel sorry for him. And while I can feel sorry for a father who has lost his son, he didn't much care about the many, many Lebanese fathers who had lost their sons - most of whom, unlike Grossmann's son, were not combatants but civilians.

      Scratch a 'liberal Zionist', you'll find a Kahanist. Nine times out of ten. At least.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 1:23 pm with 9 replies

      So they 'asked' them, did they? Got a link? I mean, a direct link with a direct quote from a Hamas official, not a hasbara site. And even if they 'asked' them, there wouldn't be much they could do to stop tens of thousands of people, would there?

      Not to mention the fact that many people reported that they were fired upon by Israel even when fleeing their homes. The ''we asked them to leave so it's OK if we kill them'' line is dead. You need something else, and you need it quick.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 1:15 pm with 1 replies

      They are NOT conscripts - and even if they were, they're still soldiers and therefore legitimate targets. They are members of the professional Golani brigade.

      Do you think any of them give a damn about Palestinian casualties? Of course not, they were there to inflict them. And even if one is 'brainwashed', you still have a choice. These men chose to serve in a brutal occupation army, and as such have to live or die with the consequences.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 1:13 pm with 1 replies

      Are you being serious? These are adult men who CHOSE to go and fight in a brutal occupation army. They're not even conscripts - the Golani Brigade is an 'elite' unit of career soldiers. If you choose to enlist in an army, there's always the possibility that you will be killed in action. Of course, this being the IDF, they likely thought that they'd just get to play high-tech computer games, pressing buttons and watching Palestinians die from a safe distance. But that didn't happen.

      What do you think these men were in Gaza to do? Distribute medicines? No, they went there to kill, and kill as indiscriminately as possible. But instead of killing - although they may very well have killed Palestinians before their own deaths - they were killed by the resistance. And we are supposed to 'care' about them? Since when do soldiers killed in battle evoke sympathy?

      As for your claim that the Zionist hoodlums will seize on our comments, again, I couldn't give a toss. They invent and misinterpret stuff all the time, and - at best - coldly shrug off the deaths of children. So I'm not going to feign concern for trained killers who were killed by the resistance, for fear of being labelled 'anti-semitic' - which every single person who supports the Palestinian cause is labelled as anyway.

      So hasbarists are allowed to applaud the deaths of children, but we're not allowed to be unconcerned about the deaths of members of an invading army? Please.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 1:06 pm with 1 replies

      I'm not sure why I bother posting on this thread, as about seven posts of mine have been languishing in pre-mod for ages, but there's actually very little independent evidence of the efficacy of the Iron Dome. One Israeli defence expert went so far as to say that not only is the Dome not that efficient, it's a complete fraud which hasn't intercepted a single rocket.

      This article claims that the reason there have been fewer casualties from rockets than before is not due to the Dome, but rather to the fact that there are better shelters and warning systems in place, and that Hamas rockets are even less powerful than they used to be:

      link to csmonitor.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 12:22 pm

      LOL! Very good. Right from the start, As'ad Abu Khalil warned Arabs against seeing Erdogan as a saviour. As usual, he was right.

    • Not sure if anyone will read this - I've about 5 comment in the above thread still in pre-mod, even though much later comments have been approved - but according to Ben Whyte, more IDF soldiers have been killed in this 'war' than in the last two assaults on Gaza combined.

      This shows that even in the most extreme conditions, besieged from air, land and sea, you cannot stop resistance. They must be crapping themselves at IDF Central. They thought it would be just a nice summer episode of 'mowing the lawn'. Not quite.

    • Thanks, I did not know that.

      So not only is Wael having to witness unimaginable horrors, but his life is in danger too. What unbearable stress. No wonder he broke down.

      And the thing is, he knows that if he were to be 'accidentally' killed, nobody who counts would care. After all, he's only an Arab, isn't he?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 11:37 am

      It's been confirmed. 13 members of the 'elite' Golani brigade killed last night in Gaza.

      Like I say, I will not mourn their deaths and the number of Israeli victims - almost all of them combatants - is still tiny compared to that on the Palestinian side. But this will hit Israel hard. They're used to having things their own way, with 'war' as a kind of high-tech video game. If this goes on, Bibi will be crawling to the US looking for a ceasefire. But Hamas won't accept one which doesn't involve a lifting of the siege.

      And tragically, whatever happens, the ones who suffer will be innocent Palestinians.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 11:11 am

      Seems Netanyahu will give a speech live on Israeli TV at 8 this evening.

      I wonder why? It won't be to explain the 70 or so Palestinian deaths - most Israelis couldn't care less. Perhaps he is to put on his best solemn voice and announce the loss of 15 courageous heroes battles khamas terrorists. He will tell the brave Israeli people to be steadfast in the face of such agonising loss..... or maybe not. Should be interesting, and probably stomach-churning, to hear what he has to say.

    • Where's hophmi? Still getting counselling because he's so offended by some 'anti-semitic' comment he heard on YouTube?

    • I don't care about them either, but the Israeli public does. Their deaths are a drop in the ocean compared to the massive number of Palestinian casualties, but Israel has no stomach for deaths among 'their own'. If it's true that 15 'elite' IDF soldiers have been killed in one night, that's a big deal.

    • I posted this elsewhere, but think it deserves a re-post.

      Al Jazeera's bureau chief, a hardened and experienced reporter, is so overwhelmed by the horror that he breaks down live on TV:

    • Erdogan will talk the talk, but he won't walk the walk. Even after the Mavi Marmara massacre, relations with Israel were downgraded but not broken off. However, the Turkish public is very pro-Palestinian so Erdogan has to make a show of caring.

      ''Only ONE nation (guess who?) has shown unwavering support, and openly justifies the ongoing sloughier of mostly civilians, ''

      Sadly, that's not true. The FCO just issued a statement saying ''Israel has the right to defend itself' and again blaming Hamas. Canada and France are also full square behind Israel. In fact, almost all Western nations are, even if they utter platitudes about 'proportionality'.

    • I just saw that.

      If true, it would 'explain' the particularly virulent nature of the Israeli attack. Zionism is extraordinarily vengeful. David Hirst reported that, in Beirut in 1982, Sharon would call up air strikes killing dozens or even hundreds, in a fit of rage or pique. For the Israelis every one of their 'elite' professional killers is worth a hundred Palestinians.

  • Palestinians celebrate report that Hamas captured Israeli soldier
    • Don't you just love when anti-Palestinians claim to speak for Arabs?

      In the Fatah bastion of Ramallah last night, thousands were out on the streets, waving Hamas flags and celebrating the alleged capture of the soldier. Hamas popularity is higher than ever in the Arab world. Do you really think Palestinians base their alleigances on what some polygamous Gulf sheikh thinks? Have you ever actually MET a Palestinian, Ivri?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 11:57 am

      Too late to edit my last post - meant to say that the fact Hamas have released no current photos/vids of the captured soldier would indicate that he is probably dead, or close to it.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 21, 2014 at 11:53 am

      Seems the Moldovan nite klub bouncer is urging a boycott of Arab businesses:

      link to l.facebook.com

      So BDS is fine when it's not used against Israel? 'Coz then it would be 'anti-semitic'.

      So now we've got threatened strikes by usually quiescent Israelis Palestinians, and in the West Bank, they're waving Hamas flags. Is there a big shake-up in the making?

    • The IDF is still neither 'confirming nor denying' the capture of the soldier.

      What that means is that he is MIA, and almost certainly in the custody of Hamas. The only question is whether he is dead or alive. The fact that Hamas has not produced any photos of him, nearly 24 hours after announcing his capture, would indicate that the latter is more likely.

  • Video: Resistance activists down power line in West Bank
  • Hamas wants to pile up 'telegenically-dead Palestinians for their cause' -- Netanyahu, on television
    • The Zionists are going NUTS - literally. Well, I mean they always have been nutty, but now it's plain for the world to see.

      Their 'we are the victim' line is just impossible to sell, with hundreds of dead civilians, many of them children, and almost all the Israelis casualties being soldiers. Even an AIPAC hack like Blitzer has to admit it.

  • Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 6:10 am

      ''It’s a tragedy that it had to happen''

      It didn't 'have to happen', you fool. It happened because Israel - and I'll repeat in block caps because you're still not getting it - CHOSE TO BOMB EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW IT WAS NOT BEING USED FOR MILITARY PURPOSES.

      That clear enough for you?

      And it's not a tragedy. It's a war crime.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm

      ''Yeah, strange that I don’t spend every waking moment here. ''

      Oh I dunno. You do seem to spend quite a bit of time here when you think you can play the poor Jewish victim card.

      ''Obviously, Israel came to believe it was a legitimate target, ''

      What Israel 'came to believe' is entirely irrelevant. Either it was a legitimate target or it was not. And since even the IDF have admitted that it was not a weapons depot, nor was it used to fire rockets from, then it was NOT a legitimate target.

      ''If the hospital were being used as a launching pad, you’d still criticize bombing it, wouldn’t you?''

      Well, you know what they say: IF my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You still don't get it, do you? The hospital was NOT used as a launching pad, and nobody is claiming it was. So stop trying to divert attention away from the fact that you are justifying the bombing of a hospital by indulging in hypotheticals.

      '' your cause is political, and has nothing whatsoever to do with international law.''

      Someone who has defended the murder of hundreds of people, a quarter of them children, is lecturing us on 'international law'? Surreal, but that's they dying art of hasbara for ya.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 3:56 pm with 5 replies

      Hophmi,

      Are you suggesting that this hospital - which was NOT a weapons depot, as the IDF themselves admitted - was a legitimate target? It sounds as though you are.

      Strange how Hophmi comes out of the woodwork after days of silence, only to defend the mass murder of civilians and the bombing of hospitals. But hey, apparently someone in Paris said something 'anti-semitic' so anything the IDF do is kosher.

  • Israel warns media they are at risk of 'injury or death' because Hamas ‘exploits journalists as human shields’
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 10:07 am

      Even for this hardened professional, it's all too much:

      link to twitter.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 9:58 am

      Seems journalists crossing into Gaza are being forced to sign a waiver saying Israel is not responsible for anything that happens to them in Gaza:

      link to twitter.com

      A Palestinian cameraman has already been killed. Of course, he's only an Arab so the world won't much care. But what if a white journalist working for a major Western channel were to be killed? What then? Probably nothing.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 7:48 am

      @seafoid

      Most Israelis who protested in '82 were more concerned about the 'soul of Israel' and the 'damage to the Jewish psyche' than they were about dead Palestinians. Remember that during the horrific siege of Beirut, when up to 20000 civilians were killed by Sharon's bombs, the vast majority of Jewish Israelis were very enthusiastic about it. It was only when IDF goons started getting picked off by Hizballah, and when the 'soul of Israel' was hurt, that they started experiencing a moral crisis of sorts.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 7:42 am

      As I've said several times before, until he went to Gaza, Beaumont's work as The Guardian's Jerusalem correspondent had been disgraceful. His 'articles' read like IDF press releases, and when Israel was conducting its West Bank rampage last month, Beaumont was busy reporting about........ social tensions between different Jewish groups on a beach near Jerusalem.

      Now that he's seen the full horror of Israel, he cannot but tell the truth. I hope he never goes back to being the IDF's Guardian stringer again. Somehow I doubt he will.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm with 1 replies

      Exactly. This is a threat, not a warning. The journalists are big boys and girls, they already know reporting from a war zone is dangerous. The Israelis are pissed off because their little war hasn't been as sweet as they expected, and damned journalists had the temerity to see them shooting kids for fun. That cannot be allowed.

      BTW I doubt they would target a high-profile presenter on US news like Ayman. It's the Arab journalists we should be really worried about.

  • Arrests without charge of American beating victim's relatives in Jerusalem leave State Dep't 'deeply concerned'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 8:46 am

      Didn't Israel's new friends, the Kurds, play a very important role in the genocide of the Armenians?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 20, 2014 at 8:45 am

      The only Kurds that Israel has been in love with for more than a few months are the Iraqi Kurds. It has been at best indifferent to Turkish Kurds - like I said, it was close to the Turkish military regime, and Mossad were supposedly instrumental in the capture of the Turkish Kurd leader Ocalan.

      The Iraqi Kurds are useful in that they can help further destablise an Arab country, Iraq, and they have oil, of course. The Turkish Kurds don't offer the same benefits, and Turkey is way too powerful to take on anyway. I'm sure the Israelis would love to love the Iranian Kurds too, but sadly for them, and the other 'divide and conquer' types, most Iranian Kurds feel Iranian first, Kurdish second and have no desire for independence.

      BTW this is a good article about Iraqi-Israeli relations. They're not quite as straightforward as some would have you believe.

      link to english.al-akhbar.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 5:34 pm with 8 replies

      Plus, I doubt Erdogan has killed too many Kurds. It was the military regime - which like so many nasty right-wing regimes the world over, was close to Israel - which caused tens of thousands of Kurdish deaths. Strange how the hasbarists only started fretting over the Kurds - and started to consider recognising the Armenian genocide - when relations with Turkey started to sour following the Mavi Marmara massacre.

      But Israel was much more comfortable with the Turkish junta than with the democratic goverment of Erdogan. A bit like in Egypt, where normal service, sadly, has been resumed.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      LOL! The Israeli concern for the Turkish Kurds is just SO touching!

      Wasn't Mossad believed to have been behind the arrest of Kurdish leader Abdullah Ocalan?

      And didn't Israel have excellent relations with the Turkish military regime while it was killing tens of thousands of Kurds?

      Of course, if Erdogan were to drop the rhetoric - because sadly, that's all it is - against Israel tomorrow, the Kurds would be forgotten just as soon as they were remembered.

  • Israel is in a pickle
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 5:18 pm with 1 replies

      Yes, I agree.

      The Israelis have no stomach for casualties - their own casualties, not those of Palestinians who are of no value - and the IDF really isn't much of an army, despite all the hype built on victories which took place before most of today's IDF grunts, and even some of their fathers, were born. This generation of IDF goons were raised to think that 'military service' involves harassing pregnant women or kids at checkpoints, and consider having a stone thrown at them to be a war crime. When faced with a real enemy in Hizballah, they ran away. Literally ran away.

      Now, Hamas may not be as slick as Hizballah -and in fairness they operate in a much more difficult environment - but as you say, they are not the fanatical clowns they were only a few years ago. They have learned, in the harshest of circumstances. The suffocating siege means they have very little to live for, so they will fight with a determination not usually seen amongst the mammas' boys of the IDF, who really want to get back to their Ipads and espresso machines. So it seems Hamas are going for broke. Sadly, whatever happens, the people of Gaza will continue to suffer tremendously. But they seem to have figured that if they're not killed today, they will be in 2 years or whenever the next 'lawn mowing' takes place. So why continue to endure?

      BTW on a slightly different note, seems the IDF is 'warning' journalists that 'they can't be responsible for their safety'. Sounds more like a threat than a warning to me. The Israelis are in a huff, big time.

      link to twitter.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 3:39 pm with 2 replies

      ''The victorious party dictates the terms of the ceasefire, not the other way around. ''

      LOL! Hophmi - who has had nothing whatsoever to say on Israel's slaughter in Gaza as he's too busy sniffing out 'anti-semitism' lurking in dark corners - thinks this is a real war. How many dead Palestinian children constitutes a 'victory', Hophmi?

      ''You can bray on about how Israel is massacring civilians, but if that’s true, they’re doing a terrible job.''

      No. If Israel is 'trying to protect civilians' it's doing a terrible job. By all accounts, the vast majority of Palestinians murdered by Israel - 33O at last count - have been civilians, and a quarter of the total are children. What military objective is gained by murdering entire families watching TV? If these people were not disposable Arabs, but sacred Israeli Jews, do you seriously think you would not be calling this a massacre? Your convoluted 'maths', probably suggested to you by some hasbarasite, is nonsense.

      ''Like Arab dictators, autocrats, and terrorists, you claim victories that are not there''

      Or like the Israelis, who are still rather hilariously claiming that they defeated da kheezbalakh in their last World Cup special. And nobody is claiming a 'victory'. Just that this little episode of 'lawn mowing' hasn't turned out to be quite as much fun for the IDF as they might have hoped, even if the Sderot Cinema brigade are lapping it up.

      ''The Palestinians would be greatly served if they were totally defeated.''

      Rule 34654 of Hasbara: Always, even in the same post where you shrug off hundreds of dead Palestinians, claim that you care - you really really care - about Palestinians.

      Fools noone, hophmi. Hasbara is dead as a do-do.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 1:05 pm

      IDF have announced the deaths of 2 of their soldiers who were killed 'fighting terrorists'.

      Of course, it's a drop in the ocean compared to the 3OO and more Palestinian deaths, but Israelis lack the resilience of Palestinians, and will not tolerate a daily drip drip of Israeli casualties. Like I said, the IDF are world beaters at killing children from a safe distance, but when it comes to fighting the enemy face to face, they're really not all that.

      Of course, spite and wounded macho pride -both Zionist characteristics - might well lead Bibi to double up on the air strikes and murder many more innocents, just to prove how tough he is. But it does seem that the ground invasion won't be the lovely little war this has been for the IDF thus far, which presumably is why they delayed it as long as possible.

    • Annie, I agree.

      While obviously it's the people of Gaza who are suffering horribly, Bibi has got himself into a bit of a bind. I suspect he and the rest of Israel's elite thought this would be a nice episode of 'mowing the lawn, reassuring the Israeli public about how tough they are, killing a few hundred Gazans, gaining a great marketing opportunity for the 'Iron Dome' and maybe getting to test out some new lethal weaponry as well. Then, after a week or so, they would draft some ridiculous 'ceasefire' agreement which Hamas would be desperate enough to sign, Israel would have shown the world its 'deterrence' and plans could be put in place for the next Gaza massacre 2 or so years down the road. And, of course, the chance to exploit the media distraction of the World Cup was too much to resist.

      However, it hasn't quite turned out that way. The suffering in Gaza has of course been horrendous, but, while Hamas are no Hizballah, they have shown more resilience and ingenuity than Israel bargained for. And while the US, UK et al have predictably and cravenly stood by Israel 100%, the carnage is so one-sided that not even a pliant media can cover it up. So it's hard to see what Israel's end-game is. For all the macho talk of a 'ground invasion', the mammas' boys of the IDF aren't nearly so great at fighting man to man as they are at killing children. So what's next? Just wanton destruction for the sake of it? I'd like to think the world wouldn't allow it, but of course they would, and do.

      BTW a Qatari newspaper has printed details of a Turkish-mediated ceasefire plan. You can read Hamas' conditions here. They sound eminently reasonable, which of course is why there's not a chance in hell that Israel will accept them. But at least they can't use the pretext of ''Hamas refusing a ceasefire'' to justify the bombing.

      link to live.aljazeera.com

  • NBC reverses; Mohyeldin to return to Gaza to cover 'Palestinian side of story'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 4:49 am

      I never thought I'd see the day when Mondoweiss would link me to Selena Gomez twitter feed! Anyway, I clicked on the link and amidst breaking news items such as ''Selena looks stunning while out in Ischia, Italy for dinner,'' it does seem Ms Gomez' handlers have been on to her, as some of her later tweets seem a bit defensive. ''Pray for peace'' and ''selenagomez: "And of course to be clear, I am not picking any sides. I am praying for peace and humanity for all!"

      But still, it may be yet another chink in the hasbarist armour. And I expect this to be the last time I check Selena Gomez' twitter feed!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 19, 2014 at 4:42 am

      Yes, I'll admit that I have noticed that too!

      He is lovely.

      Which is part of the problem as far as the Zionist hoodlums are concerned - not only is Ayman intelligent, bilingual and extremely competent, he's handsome too. We can't have Arab men being so attractive on our TV screens. And 'showing empathy' for children being blown to bits minutes after he was playing with them? No, can't have that.

  • Hasbarapocalyse: Naftali Bennett says Hamas committing 'massive self-genocide'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 5:33 pm with 4 replies

      Blitzer is still pushing the line that the IDF were 'aiming at some sort of target' and that the deaths were 'accidental'.

      He deserves no praise whatsoever.

  • How can Human Rights Watch conclude an Israeli didn't want to kill 4 boys on the beach?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 4:32 pm with 1 replies

      There have been numerous occasions when the IDF have targetted Palestinian kids for fun. And that's not at all surprising when you think that Israelis are raised in a culture of hatred for Arabs, where all Arabs are seen as enemies just waiting to kill any Jew if they get the chance. Add that to the fact that IDF soldiers almost never suffer any consequences for killing Palestinians, and you have a climate where murders like this are seen as quite acceptable. Except this time, the world's press was there. Which makes it an awkward PR problem for Israel, but not a moral quandary that too many 'liberal Israelis' will lose any sleep over.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 3:30 pm with 3 replies

      The Guardian's Peter Beaumont - who has been very pro-Israel until now, and who witnessed the beach massacre - specifically said that the gunner turned around and deliberately targetted the boys. He also said that he and other journalists were frantically trying to warn the gunners that they were only kids. There was also half a minute between the first and second blast which killed 3 of the boys, which is more than enough time to get a good look. Doesn't the start-up nation provide its naval gunners with binoculars?

      Also, what the hell would khamas militants be doing on a beach, in the full light of day, with half the world's press and Israeli gunboats just offshore? Absurd. HRW is whitewashing Israeli war crimes - again.

  • Obama humiliates Muslim guests at White House Ramadan event, endorses Israel’s Gaza assault and NSA surveillance
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      Meh. Any Muslim who chose to attend that farce deserves to be humiliated. In fact, agreeing to attend was in itself a humiliation. They should have heeded the call to boycott the 'interfaith' whitewash.

  • Activists occupy UK govt office demanding end to arms trade with Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 6:06 pm

      Good god, Zionists really really are addicted to victimhood, aren't they?

      Fifty people are murdered by their bombs in one day alone, and Jon goes to YouTube to hunt down some video to allow him to wallow in victimhood? Psychotic.

      You're not a victim Jon. You're a shill for a mad, murderous state.

  • Mohyeldin's boss at NBC rallied 'Jewish passion' for Israel when 'it is physically threatened'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 5:30 pm

      OK will give it a look! Thanks for the link.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 5:04 pm with 1 replies

      Yes. If you watch the interview with Gleen Greenwald on Democracy Now, linked somewhere in this thread, he says that NOTHING puts more terror into the heart of US 'journalists' than the thought of 'offending' the Zionist hoodlums. It really is absurd, and while things aren't great over here, they're nowhere near as pathetic as in the US.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm

      Glenn Greenwald wrote an expose of how AJA went out of its way to ingratiate itself with the US - read Zionist - elites in order to get their licence. You can find his article in the Guardian archives. Problem is, the Americans who watched AJE did so precisely because it offered an alternative to CNN et al, not for more of the same. Which is why nobody now watches AJA. What's the point?

      I wonder what will happen to Mohyeldin now. Will he be taken off Middle East stories altogether? Will he leave NBC? I think he should resign, and tell the world exactly why. It is clear that he cannot maintain his integrity as a journalist in US network 'news'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 4:57 pm

      Well yeah, it can happen that you accidentally hit 'send' but since the tweet would instantly show up on the screen, the obvious thing would be to delete it immediately if indeed you 'never meant' to send it. I'm not buying Rihanna's excuse, but I am enjoying watching the narcissist squirm.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 3:44 pm with 2 replies

      ''"She deleted it because it was never meant to be tweeted. She didn't even realize it was a tweet until she started hearing from her fans,"

      Seriously, what the fup is that supposed to mean? ''It was never meant to be tweeted''? So she just wrote something into her twitter feed for a lark, but never meant to tweet it? What?

      And so what if it 'offended' people? Big deal. Some people might be offended by Rihanna's compulsive exhibitionism, but that doesn't seem to bother her. I suppose she didn't fancy having to do obeisance to Abe Foxman, so the tweet had to go. Amusing and pathetic, really.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 2:27 pm with 2 replies

      Ayman maybe thought he could change US media from within, that he could be a voice for the humanity of Palestinians amid the sea of Zionist talking heads on American TV.

      Well, now he knows that is impossible.

      I hope he resigns from NBC and returns to AJE. And I hope he gives interviews and writes articles about why - for the crime of humanising Arabs and having the gall to be there when Israel committed slaughter on a beach - he had to be removed.

    • Story of my Mondoweiss life! So many times I make a long post which spends hours - occassionally more than a day - in pre-mod, only to see that other posts which were written much later are already up.

      I don't want to be critical, as I love the articles and commentary here, and I appreciate the fact that we're allowed to participate for free. But it is frustrating to see your comment languish in pre-mod while the discussion moves on.

    • Living as I do in the UK, I sometimes curse British media, especially BBC, for their cowering to the Israeli point of view.

      However, when I hear about events like the above, I realise that, bad though the British mainstream media is - and it is bad - it's nowhere near as dire as its US counterpart. Mohyeldin's former AJE colleague Shireen Tadros still reports on Gaza for a Murdoch channel, Sky News. Channel 4's Jon Snow gave Mark Regev a dressing down live on TV last week, and his colleague Jonathan Miller is still giving heart-wrenching reports from Gaza. Even the BBC interviewed Ali Abunimah, who took them to task for their woeful 'coverage' - though I suspect that's damage limitation following the thousands of people who took to the streets to protest them, of which I was one.

      So it's a case of 'everything is relative', I suppose.

  • Israel's iron fist
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 2:46 pm

      Absolutely.

      I thought the 'start up nation' economy was thriving? Isn't that what they're always telling us? If so, why the need for Yank charity? And wasn't Israel meant to be all about Jews doing it for themselves? Why do they want to depend on Gentiles who, like all Gentiles, are really anti-semites just waiting to get out, however nice they may seem?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      I'm not sure Israel's slaughter has a 'purpose', other of course than slaughter itself, and the all-important need for Bibi et al to show the dumb Israeli public how 'tough' they are.

      I suspect that Bibi didn't envisage this 'war' going on for longer than a few days, maybe a week, and that they were hoping Hamas would accept the lousy 'ceasefire'. I don't think they have any plan. The IDF are too chicken to go futher than a few KM inside Gaza, and by their own admission they've already hit any 'targets' in the strip. So really, it's now just slaughter for the hell of it. Probably plays well with brainwashed Israelis, but how will it end? The stated aim of ending the rocket fire will not be achieved, just as it wasn't in the previous massacres. So has Bibi overreached himself?

  • 'Heartbroken' at 'horrifying' killing of boys, State Dep't says Israel must do more to prevent civilian deaths
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 1:30 pm with 1 replies

      You're comparing the loss of an airplane to an advanced army pounding hospitals, beaches and homes?

      You're not that bright, are you?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 1:00 pm

      I actually get a bit of schadenfreude watching how this State Dept drone's body language shows clearly that she is horribly uncomfortable at having to...... make even the teeniest tinyist criticism of Israel. She seems far more upset about having to 'criticise' Israel than she is about the murder of the 4 boys.

      Future generations will see how the world's most powerful nation cowered in front of a minor Levantine garrison state, and wonder how it could ever have happened, and for so long.

  • First night of Israeli ground operations kills 27 Palestinians; Ambulances come under fire attempting to retrieve the injured
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      Check out international law on the subject. It's fairly clear and specific about what is and is not permitted. Not that you or Israel care.

    • Israel has just destroyed an apartment complex housing fifty people. These are the 'targets' they are aiming for.

      Where is this macho 'ground invasion' aimed at rooting out da khamas? Is it all just more willy waving designed to impress the braindead Israeli public? Seems so.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 18, 2014 at 11:02 am

      I may have said this before, but it's ironic that so many of the most moving dispatches from Gaza have come from Peter Beaumont. Until now, his 'articles' as The Guardian's Jerusalem correspondent have been a joke - they have read more like lightly edited IDF press releases than the reports of an impartial journalist.

      But now that he himself is running for cover under brutal Israeli bombardment, now that he sees the full horror of what Israel inflicts on a helpless population, he cannot help but report what he sees. It's a bit like how even Thomas Friedman couldn't help but point out the horribly indiscriminate nature of IDF bombardment when he was cowering from it in Beirut. He, of course, went back to shilling for Israel once back in the safety of New York. Let's hope Beaumont doesn't do the same.

  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 5:43 pm

      Given how often Israel has bombed hospitals in this particular 'war' alone, why would anyone be daft enough to use a hospital as a shield? Perhaps Jon has been asleep for the past week - indeed the past half century - but Israel has no compunctions whatsoever about bombing hospitals.

      But hey, they give 'warning' to people in comas to evacuate. That's so good of them.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 5:41 pm with 2 replies

      Yes, there's something sick about the macho, quasi-sexual names they give to 'military operations' which are basically massacres of children playing football, disabled women in rehab centres, and elderly patients in comas. Does this make them feel like heroes? Does this convince the dumb Israeli public that their pimply, gum chewing conscripts are real soldiers?

      In a brainwashed society, anything is possible.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 5:16 pm with 1 replies

      In fairness, the Prussians were clever folks and pretty good fighters.

      The Israelis? Not so much.

  • Tel Avivians brave sirens for clothes in NYT story about 'Fashion during wartime'
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 5:15 pm

      A 'ground battle'? LOL! Who are they fighting against in their big tanks? Demolishing tunnels and firing missiles at hospitals is a 'battle' for the IDF these days?

      I hope your brave boys don't have to raid the local shops for food, as they did in Lebanon, since thanks to the sadistic Israeli siege, shops in Gaza aren't all that well stocked.

      Meanwhile, those stoic Israelis endure the great privation of having to cancel a champagne reception. Never has a population endured so much with so little self-pity.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 1:59 pm with 4 replies

      Hilarious how Mahane thinks Israelis are so brave and resilient - what with having to endure the huge sacrifice of missing world cup matches and fashion shows due to sirens. Shows how he, and Israelis in general, haven't' got a clue.

      Put Israel under siege for years and bomb it to bits every other year, and see how brave and defiant Israelis would be. Going by how quickly their plucky IDF boys ran away from Lebanon, and how they are pissing their pants at the thought of a ground invasion in Gaza, I have a funny feeling Israeli society would fall apart.

  • NBC reportedly orders Mohyeldin to leave Gaza -- after he criticized State Dep't
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm

      Mohyeldin was there, along with his former AJE colleague Shireen Tadros.

      Now, of course, he's not. How convenient.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      If I was Jon Snow or any other interviewer, this is one question I'd ask Regev/Freiburg:

      ''If Israel is such a dangerous country, with its terrified citizens cowering helplessly under the constant deadly barrage of Khamas missiles, why the hell did you leave a prosperous liberal democracy like Australia to take up residence there?''

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      True that. I also got the feeling a while back that they were starting to become more 'balanced' on Palestine - ie doing the BBC thing of equating a scraped knee in Sderot with a slaughtered family in Gaza. However, their coverage of this war has been pretty good.

      Another bilingual journalist - who covered Gaza alongside Mohyeldin during 'cast lead' - is the excellent Sherine Tadros. She too left AJE recently, and is now with Murdoch's Sky News. British media isn't quite as craven as its US counterpart, though still bad enough. I wonder how long she'll be knocking at AJE's door again, having been asked to tone it down by Murdoch News?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Have NBC made an official statement on this? How will they justify removing an experienced bilingual correspondent, who has covered Gaza for years, in favour of a non-Arabic speaker with no experience in the region?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 2:02 pm with 1 replies

      Hate to say I told you say, but I predicted last week that it was only a matter of time before Mohyledin got the old heave-ho.

      Even I didn't think it would be quite so little time though. Some pretty strongly-worded telephone calls must have taken place.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      The only thing 'stomach churning' about that editorial is that the WP is trying to cover up Israeli atrocities by shifting the blame onto the resistance. Submit and leave yourselves open to the next round of massacres in about 2 years time, or die. That's the message.

      You and the WP need to do a bit better than that.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 1:51 pm with 2 replies

      I said it was only a matter of time, but I didn't think it would be so little time. NBC will go back to 'covering' Gaza by monolingual English speakers in West Jerusalem.

      Mohyeldin will either be shunted to covering the breaking news of cats getting stuck in trees in Idaho, or asked to leave. Not sure why he ever left Al Jazeera, to be honest.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm with 5 replies

      You're welcome. I do think Snow might have been a bit harder on Regev at the start, and pushed him more on the circumstances surrounding the boys' deaths, but I loved how he finished by calling Regev a coward, while the latter babbled away incoherently.

      Like I said, Snow and Regev have a bit of a history, and Snow has won hands down, every time. Here's a classic:

      And this is another interview, done not by Snow, but by his equally no-bullshit Channel 4 colleague Mark Thompson. Here is Regev getting flustered trying to defend the IDF not allowing the Red Cross to reach starving children during 'Operation Cast Lead':

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius July 17, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      ''Ayman Mohyeldin of NBC witnessed the killings. But he was not featured on the broadcast last night.''

      Sadly, as I've said before, it's probably only a matter of time before Mohyeldin either 'moderates' his coverage or finds that his contract at MSMBC is not renewed, after which he will be shunned by all US networks. An articulate, talented, handsome Arab man who refuses to sugar-coat Israeli monstrosities for the 'Merkin audience is a mortal danger to hasbara. Which is why I don't expect him to last long on American screens.

    • This is an interview by the great Jon Snow of Channel 4 News with the odious Mark Regev - real name Mark Freiberg. It's well worth watching, and is a welcome antidote to the cowardice of most Western 'journalists' when it comes to Israel. Regev and Snow have a history of sparring, and every time, Snow has shown Regev up for the lying, heartless bastard he is. Snow's contempt for Regev drips from every word he speaks:

      link to channel4.com

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