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  • 'Jewish cow' is udderly superior to all other cows in the world, Netanyahu says
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 28, 2015 at 4:48 am

      I thought so too. But no. It's for realz.

      Satirists must hate Bibi. They have put him out of business.

  • Untold Stories: First-ever US Nakba Museum opens in Washington DC
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 1:18 pm

      Except that David Grun had everything to do with the Nakba, and Al Husseini had almost nothing to do with the Holocaust.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 1:16 pm with 7 replies

      Oh get a grip and stop whining! There are Holocaust museums and memorials in cities all over the world, including a huge publically funded one in Washington. This, despite the fact that the Holocaust had nothing to do with the US, and that there is not a similar memorial to such things as slavery which had a LOT to do with the US.

      It's quite chilling how Zionists are so angered by any acknowledgement of Palestinian suffering. Your heart felt concern for the Hoa Chinese, however, is touching. Did you just come up with them yourself, or can we expect to hear frequent mention of the Hoa Chinese as the latest hasbara whataboutery tactic?

  • 'NY Times' helps Israel whitewash the killings of four boys playing soccer on Gaza beach
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      Thanks. I see little difference between the Guardian and the NYT these days. They are obsessed with 'anti semitism' and the 'soul of Israel'. They've even got Hadley Freedman - whose normal stock in trade is Kim Kardashian and name dropping about Jamie Dornan - on the case. It's interesting because, as I said above, take away the single issue hasbarists who only post on I/P threads they've been alerted to, most of the Guardian readership does not appear to be pro-Israel at all.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 1:59 pm with 1 replies

      Beaumont is pissed off because this nonsense directly contradicts his first hand evidence. He reported that he and other journalists were frantically waving their arms and shouting ''They're only kids!'' at the gunship. He also said that there was about half a minute between the first and second shots, and that the gunship carefully switched its aim to target the boys. In his mind, and that of the several other journos who were there, there was absolutely no doubt that the boys were deliberately murdered.

      I must say in general though, that Beaumont is quite cowardly when 'reporting' on I/P issues. He relies heavily on official Israeli sources, whom he mostly quotes uncritically. He's angry here because his personal testimony was contradicted, but a courageous reporter he is not. And notice, as usual with the Guardian, that comments are closed on this article.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 10:57 am

      Interesting, didn't know 'CiF Watch' had changed moniker!

      And you're right about the hasbarists flooding any CiF discussions on I/P. One thing I've noticed though, is that they often miss some discussions- probably because the GIYUS microphone failed to alert them - and then the comments tend to be much more pro-Palestinian. So I would say that, absent the single issue hasbarists who flood certain threads, the Guardian readership is on the whole not pro-Israel, though the same cannot be said for most of their hacks.

      I remember the live blogs they had during the last Gaza massacre were relatively un-censored, and, aside from a few hardcore hasbarists, overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian. The CiF Watch brigade must have known about these blogs, so I wonder if their absence indicates that even they knew they could not defend something quite so indefensible?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 9:48 am with 1 replies

      Baghdad Bob was at least funny, and you always got the impression that he knew perfectly well that what he was saying was BS, but he didn't have much choice.

      Lerner doubtless believes his own propganda though. And how fitting that he's a Saffer. As soon as white supremacy ended there, he ran off to the last country where it still exists.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 5:30 am with 3 replies

      ''The Guardian'' has long had an unspoken - but very obvious - policy of rarely opening comments on I/P threads, and when they do, the moderators watch them like hawks. These threads end up looking like a Swiss cheese, with perfectly reasonable comments removed for no apparent reason.

  • Is BDS practicing a double standard with respect to Arab countries?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 6:02 am with 1 replies

      Agree 100%. Boycotting 'the settlements' but not Israel itself makes absolutely no sense - as far as Israel is concerned, the 'settlements' are a part of Israel. It's just another example of how 'liberal Zionists' support non-violent resistance - provided it doesn't harm Israel at all. Boycotting only the 'settlements' amounts to a slap on the wrist, at the very most.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm with 1 replies

      I seem to recall reading somewhere - probably right here on MW - that not so long ago our friends the 'liberal Zionists' actually encouraged boycott of Israel. That was part of their ''Oh, gosh you know I'd really support the Palestinians if only they'd adopt non-violent resistance'' hypocrisy. Of course, their idea of 'boycott' was similar to Beinart's, if not even weaker - a symbolic, slap on the wrist style of thing which would do no harm to Israel, but would allow them to feel even smugger about themselves.

      Now, however, with BDS poised to actually make a difference, we're back to the old 'singling out Israel', ''anti semitism', 'but what about......' nonsense. Which just confirms what I've long believed - 'liberal Zionists' don't want any resistance - violent or non violent - to Israel. At all. The only 'resistance' they approve of is the one which does zero harm to Israel, ie, no resistance at all. What a bunch of craven hypocrites they really are.

  • Supreme Court slam dunks the Israel lobby on Jerusalem, 6-3 (and Rubio, Oren, and Engel are angry)
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius June 12, 2015 at 2:58 pm


      I have read that the Roma lost proportionatly more people than any other group targetted in the Holocaust, including the Jews. However, because, far from being Special Snowflakes, the Roma are Europe's most despised minority, they don't count in the victimhood stakes.

  • International calls rise for FIFA to suspend Israel
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 19, 2015 at 2:40 pm

      @NickJocW ''Furthermore, if it seriously thinks itself European it has no business claiming Palestine.''

      That's one of the many fundamental contradictions of Zionism. When it suits, Israelis are ''European'' and describe themselves as alien to all the weird shenanigans of the orient. On the other hand, they claim that they are the indigenous people 'returning' to their 'homeland' in Palestine, with more right to the land than Palestinians who can trace back their ancestors for hundreds of years.

      Zionism really is daft.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 19, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      Israel is as shit at football as it is at just about any other sport - other than simulated 'grin 'n' point' as in those obviously staged 'look at that wonderful Iron Dome intercepting that dastardly missile' pics. So it would not be missed if kicked out of FIFA - it's not like their presence will ever trouble any major tournament. Still, I agree with Bornajoo and others that the chances of the corrupt FIFA kicking them out are virtually zero. That said, all credit to those who signed this letter, and no credit to the Jonathan Freedland Guardian for burying it away in the back corner somewhere.

  • Gush Shalom: Abolish 'Jerusalem Day' - the settler holiday
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 19, 2015 at 2:46 pm

      If this had been a Muslim trying to kill somone because they had served him non-halal meat, we'd never hear the end of it.

  • What if the Times had sent Rudoren to Selma in 1965?
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 18, 2015 at 11:32 am

      ''Palestine was a pretty retched place.''

      And if there's one thing I hate, ''Jeffy B'', it's a ''retched place''.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 17, 2015 at 4:44 am

      The use of the words 'fulminate' and 'throngs' really struck me too. In one way it was far from the most offensive part of this puff piece on a wannabe ethnic cleanser, but it sums up Rudoren's attitude. It's classic anti-Arab racism, really - Arabs, not like nice civilised Jews like Shaked, are irrational, emotionalistic creatures who live by mob rule. In fact, as you say, Ashrawi is highly educated, articulate and cool-headed. I would also say she is moderate to a fault. She's about the last person you can imagine 'fulminating'. Which is more than can be said for Shaked and most of the Likud nutters.

  • 'So wait, the Nakba is…?': Listening to Israelis discuss the Nakba
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 17, 2015 at 4:35 am


      Yes, good comment. I do agree that much Zionist opposition to recognising the Armenian genocide has to do not only with the importance of the Israeli-Turkish relationship, but also to the 'stealing our holocaust' narcissism. The Armenians, like the Jews are also a succesful, well-off ethnic minority in the US, and the Zionists don't want any 'competition' in the sympathy stakes.


    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 16, 2015 at 3:58 pm with 3 replies

      Haven't the Israelis started making noises - though never translated into action - about the Armenian genocide after falling out with Turkey due to the Mavi Marmara massacre? It was around the same time they suddenly discovered the cause of the Turkish Kurds, even though they actively supported the Turkish military when it was waging war with, and killing tens of thousands of, Kurds.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 16, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      ''the “left” (which in Israel means conciliatory toward Palestinians) ''

      No. No it certainly does not! It means ''trying to give the IMPRESSION of being conciliatory towards Palestinians, while in practice supporting - or at the very least not opposing - every war, siege and occupation practised by Israel''. Some of the worst war crimes have been committed by 'moderate' Israeli governments.

      Support for the Gaza massacre was well above 90% in all surveys done this summer. Quite a few Israelis didn't think the 'war' had gone far enough. Very very few thought it was too harsh. The 'left' in the sense you portray it is virtually non-existent in Israel. The mask has fallen. What you see is what you get.

  • Netanyahu appoints Ayelet Shaked—who called for genocide of Palestinians—as Justice Minister in new government
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 12:41 pm

      ''May the day come when a single Arab Prime Minister has to go through the six weeks of democratic coalition building the current Israeli Prime Minister has just gone through.''

      We can now add the political history of Lebanon - where coalitions are very much the norm - to the long list of things hophmi has no clue about.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 12:39 pm

      '' I thought it did have a whiff of anti-semitism about it. ''

      Meh. If it had been a tuna sandwich they'd have said he was a very fishy character. The Sun specialises in silly word play, but some people are just desperate to find 'a whiff of antisemitism' everywhere. Could you imagine if Labour had a Muslim leader? There wouldn't be a barely detectable 'whiff' of Islamophobia about the tabloids' coverage. There would have been an all-emcompassing stench.

      ''I hope someone asks Maureen Lipman for her reaction :-)''

      You mean she's still here? I thought she'd run off for safety to Israel, rather than stay in a country so horribly antisemitic that it is seriously considering electing a Jewish PM.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 12:03 pm with 5 replies

      Not on topic but I can't find a more appropriate place for it.

      While I'm hoping for a Labour victory in tomorrow's UK elections, I'm sort of dreading the ''anti-semitism'' hysteria from the meeja if Miliband becomes PM. The elections haven't even taken place yet, and they're already at it, or at least the Jonathan Freedland Guardian is, claiming that a silly cover story in The Sun is 'anti-semitic'.

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      Thankfully, most readers are mocking the writer for his spurious 'anti-semite' accusations, but still, you can tell that the anti-semitism industry is rubbing its hands in glee at the thought of a Miliband victory. It'll be impossible to say a word against him, because that might be 'antisemitic', you see.

  • Gaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 12:20 pm


      But weren't they 'shoot and cry' films? As in, ''Yes, Israeli soldiers did terrible things but they were just a few bad apples led astray by incompetent leaders and provoked by the tewwowist keezbalakh.''. The usual fretting over what war does to the 'soul of Israel' rather than to the Arab men, women and children whose lives are destroyed by it?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 9:29 am

      I think the 1982 invasion of Lebanon was the very last time anyone could say, with even a tiny shred of plausibility, that joining the IDF was in any way justifiable. The siege of Beirut changed all that, even among some Zionists. They've been fretting about the 'soul of Israel' ever since.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 6, 2015 at 4:15 am


      Not that I'd trust the NYT above the journalists who were actually there and saw the boys being murdered by a warship, but can you tell me where, exactly, that article claims the boys were killed by an air strike?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 5, 2015 at 6:22 pm with 1 replies

      Your brother served in the IDF in Lebanon? Yikes!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm

      All your 'argument' shows is that the 'world's most moral' army, for all its fancy boys' toys, killed way more civilians than Hamas did, even proportionately. Nearly all the Palestinian dead were civilians. Nearly all the Israeli dead were militants. The same was true for the July war on Lebanon. It's obvious the IDF is targetting civilians.

      Oh, and this new hasbara tactic of concern trolling about the people of Gaza is ludicrous. You must think we're all thick as two short planks if you seriously believe anyone here thinks you give a toss about the people of Gaza.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm with 10 replies

      The IDF never even entered Beirut. That had been the original plan, but with the usual cowardice that characterises that 'army', they stopped outside the city, laid it to siege, and in the usual cowardly IDF fashion, bombarded it from the air. In his excellent book, David Hirst describes how Sharon, in a fit of pique, would call up airstrikes that could kill hundreds of people in one go.

      If they had entered Beirut and not just indulged in indiscriminate bombing, civilian targets would probably have been much lower, but IDF casualties much higher. However, the chances of dealing a decisive defeat to the PLO would also have increased. However, for Israel, protecting their 'soliders' always comes first, and that is one of the reasons the IDF is such a lousy army, propaganda to the contrary aside.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 5, 2015 at 5:54 pm


      Are you going out of your way to display your ignorance?

      If by 'beach kids' you mean the 4 Bakr cousins, they were NOT 'struck from above'. They were shot by gunboats who had just fired at the beach, and then, half a minute later - easily enough time to know who they were aiming at - targetted the boys. Journalists Ayman Mohyeldin and Peter Beaumont, who had been playing football with them only moment earlier, witnessed the killings. They said that they were frantically gesturing at the ships and shouting ''They're only kids!'' but STILL they were murdered.

      There is really no doubt that these boys were deliberately targetted. All of this was very widely reported at the time, but I guess you somehow managed to miss it. Seems that there's a lot you manage to miss.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 4, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      Finkelstein is correct. In Israel, soldiers are much more precious than civilians. I think that's partly because just about every Israeli - or at least Israeli Jews, who are all that count - has been a solider at some point. This includes women, even though, despite the hasbara about the IDF being such a female-friendly army, only 3% of combat forces are women.

      Then, as Finkelstein says, there's the fact that Israel is a macho 'Spartan' society, where 'deterrence' is crucial to the national psyche. The death of soldiers wounds in a way that the death of civilians -insofar as anyone is a civilian in a country with universal conscription - ever can. Add to that the racism which is rampant in Israeli society and one can see just how sick the joke of the 'world's most moral army' really is.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 4, 2015 at 1:14 pm with 13 replies

      Morality aside, the IDF's unwillingness to take -- as opposed to inflict - casualties is their fundamental weakness as a fighting force. That is why, for all their technical superiority, they have not won a war for 4O years.

      A real army has to be prepared for the fact that some, maybe many, of their members will not come home after a war. In Israel, by contrast, ''soldiers'' consider ''war'' to be a good chance to post some sexy pics on their Instagram page. The IDF's best known invention, the Merkava tank, is basically an armoured cocoon. I suppose that's what comes of a whole generation growing up thinking that being a 'soldier' means harassing pregnant women at checkpoints. And that's why when, faced with a courageous, committed fighting force in Hizballah, the IDF ran away. Twice.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 4, 2015 at 1:04 pm

      I was going to say the same. Even these soldiers - brave as they are to come out like this - have been ziowashed. Take this for example:

      “What we understand is that the IDF has changed its way of fighting, basically abandoned the ethical code without having any conversation, without having any discussion. It’s a mad doctrine, and the IDF didn’t adopt it formally. Even some people in the general staff think it’s mad, but this is the way we fight.”

      The IDF never ever had an 'ethical code'. How does this young man think the siege of Beirut, which killed 2000 people, the vast majority civilians in 1982, probably well before he was born, fitted into the IDF's 'ethical code'?

  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:33 am

      And where did all the millions of Jews in the 'diaspora' come from?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      Also, if Zionism is the answer to the Jews' problems, how come it took them two millenia to come up with it? Those Jews expelled from Spain could have gone to Palestine, but chose to remain in Europe instead. Even today, with the existence of the ''Jewish state'' nearly all Jews who have the option of living in a prosperous Western nation will do just that, rather than taking up residence in a glorified Levantine ghetto.

  • Israeli army can't stop patting itself on the back for helping Nepal victims
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 8:12 am

      Your sick joke of an 'army' bombed hospitals and rehabilitations centres.

      And now we're supposed to praise them because they put up a few tents to make a Potemkin hospital?

      You must think the rest of the world is as hopelessly brainwashed as Israelis are.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 6:41 am with 6 replies

      A hasbara effort wouldn't be complete without a 'field hospital'.

      I remember literally every single hasbarist was droning on about how Israel had established a 'field hospital' on the 'borders' with Gaza during last summer's massacre. As though treating a few carefully vetted Palestinians - probably collaborators and their families - somehow neutralised the horror. Can 'jons' tell us about the current status of said 'field hospital' or did it endure only as long as hasbara required it to endure?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      Ask Nepalese hotel owners and tour bus operators what they think of Israeli tourists and their obnoxious, culturally insensitive behaviour.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      According to what I have read, yes.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      ''Like all good stories in Israel, it is a very fierce debate with very passionate views on both sides…''

      This seems to be the standard hasbara response to anyone who points out the less than liberal aspects of Israeli society. I heard the same thing recently when someone mentioned the fact that ''secular'' Israel does not recognise secular marriages. ''Oh, but you see these things are fiercely debated in the vibrant democracy that is Israel''. So what? Fact remains that any Israeli who wants a non-religious wedding has to go beyond Israel's 'borders' to obtain it.

  • 'Baltimore Is Here': Ethiopian Israelis protest police brutality in Jerusalem
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 9:33 am

      How can anyone be 'racist' towards Israelis? They are not a race. Indeed, according to Israel's own government, they're not even a nationality.

      And of course you are right in saying that many Israelis are indigeneous to the region. These are the 2O% of so who are Palestinian, as well as a small minority of Jewish Israelis whose presence in the region long predated the colonisation by Eastern European Jews.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:28 am with 8 replies

      The entire society is built on racism against the indigenous people of Palestine.

      It would be amazing if Israelis were not also racist against other 'foreigners'.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 2, 2015 at 5:27 am

      Same old same old. Yes, Israel has 'problems' but because it's such a 'vibrant democracy' where everyone is so politically aware and engaged in lively debate, they're 'trying to work it out'.

      Could Ms. Aynaw give us any concrete examples of how the situation is 'improving' for Ethiopian Jews? And no, choosing one Ethiopian to display herself in a 'beauty' contest does not count as an improvement.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius May 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm with 1 replies

      Events like this make it so very clear that Jews are not a race, nor an ethnicity, nor even a 'people' - to use the almost meaningless term preferred by Zionists these days. Jews are members of a religious group who have little or nothing in common with one another other than religion. An Ethiopian Jew has no more in common with a Polish Jew than an Ethiopian Christian has in common with a Polish Christian.

      If Jews really saw each other as belonging to the same ethnicity, racism like this simply could not happen, particularly not in the ''Jewish democracy''.

  • Avi Shlaim on liberal Zionism, the 'dead' two-state solution, and colonial pizza
    • ''Ben-Ami claims that Israel will eventually end its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and help to create a Palestinian state.''

      I simply do not understand how anyone as well informed as Ben Ami can make such a statement.

      When, precisely, does Ben Ami think that ''Israel will eventually end its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and help to create a Palestinian state?'' If that's what Israel intends to do, why not do it..... now? For the past several years, Israel has enjoyed the most peaceful period of time since the creation of the statelet. Surely, if they were going to end the occupation, this would be a perfect time to do it? Instead, we've got ever increasing 'settlements', overtly racist rhetoric from mainstream politicians, and Sderot Cinema.

      Could it be precisely because occupation has become so cost-free, that Israel has no intention of ending it? Not that it ever did, but it does amaze me how anyone can say, with a straight face, that Israel is going to end the occupation. Some day.

  • Using the dead: the 'NYT' works with Israel to justify military service
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 26, 2015 at 5:02 am

      I have heard that in many polls of ''Israelis'', Palestinians are often omitted, though this isn't mentioned when the results are published. Take the polls done during the summer massacre, where approval ratings for the killing spree were well to the north of 90%. Given that about 20% or more of Israelis are Palestinian, they surely could not have been included in the survey. Yet most refer to those surveyed as simply ''Israelis''. Could you imagine if pollsters in the US systematically excluded black people from their polls, and claimed that the results were representative of all Americans?

  • Understanding the Jewish National Home
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 19, 2015 at 11:46 am


      For many centuries, there were very large communities of Jews in the Middle East, notably in Alexandria, almost within spitting distance of ''the Holy Land''. Yet very very few of these Jews chose to live in ''Israel'', even though they could easily have done so. If Jews have been 'yearning to return to the promised land' for so long, why did Jews who lived right next door not feel motivated to do so?

  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 1:56 pm

      You're right. You haven't travelled much. You also haven't read much, nor have you conversed much with anyone outside your Ziobubble. Nobody I know of in the pro-Palestine community believes in a 'two state solution'. Even if they felt that were a desirable outcome, they know that Israel's insatiable greed for land has rendered that impossible.

      And Israel does not have a 'right to exist'. Neither does the UK, or Iceland, or Burkina Faso, or any other state. Nation states exist until they no longer do. Israel wasn't around 70 years ago. It's entirely possible that it will not be around 70 years from now. It's almost comical how Israelists think that having existed for a paltry 3 generations - when circumstances have been almost entirely favourable to them - somehow guarantees Israel's future. Nation states have existed for much longer and still been confined to the dustbins of history. The same, sooner or later, will be true for Israel. It's a matter of when, not if.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      Ah, so I'm the one duped by propaganda about Iran, eh? Khamenei is an unsavoury leader in many ways, but even his critics agree that he is not corrupt and lives quite modestly, as do most of the Iranian political class. And as I've said before, you know Sweet FA about Iran. It is not a 'closed society' at all. I know you haven't been there, but I have, and people discuss politics in a way which would be unthinkable in the Gulf dictatorships Israel has such a crush on.

      Anyway, since you have an expertise on Iran unsullied by any propaganda, perhaps you can provide me with sources about those 'palaces' - plural - personally owned by Khamenei?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 11:07 am


      What a disingenuous post. The Shah's Iran was a US client, much like the Gulf states Israel is so chummy with. Why would they have a problem with a regime which reinforced the pro-US, pro-Israel status quo in the region? It's the idea of an independent Iran which bothers them.

      Oh, and spare us the concern trolling over the Iranian people. Like you give a toss. As you say, Israel was quite in love with the Shah's brutal regime, to the point of helping to train the notorious Savak secret police. Please dont' try to pretend you care about the people of Iran. Nobody believes you.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 11:01 am

      But David, Yugoslavia didn't 'decide to break up', like a couple divorcing. Aren't you forgetting the series of bloody wars, particularly regarding the seccession of Bosnia? The Belgrade government opposed this until almost the end.

      Then there's ''Kosovo'', carved out of 15% of Serbia, very much against the will of the Serbian government and people, who consider it an illegal theft of their sovereign territory. Yet there it is, recognised as a nation state by most Western countries, though not by the UN. Does ''Kosovo'' have a right to exist? Did Serbia have a right to exist within its legal borders prior to the creation of ''Kosovo''? Most of what's euphemistically termed the 'international community' would agree on the first question, but disagree on the latter - for their own geopolitical purposes. What about Sudan? Did Khartoum have any say in having much of their country shaved off to make an 'independent' nation?

      What I'm saying is that nation states exist or they don't. They don't have a ''right'' to do so.

    • ''. Under the current geopolitical system, where there is no world government, there is no system of law higher than that of the sovereign state which could say that Israel does not exist, or must cease to exist. It therefore has a legal right to continue to exist.''

      But yet nation states come and go all the time. In my lifetime -- and I'm guessing yours too - nations such as the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and East Germany - to name but a few - have ceased to exist. On the other hand, nations including Kosovo, Croatia, Slovenia, East Timor and the George Clooney Republic of South Sudan - again to name but a few - have come into existence.

      If Israel has a 'right to continue to exist', why did the same 'right' not apply to Yugoslavia or the USSR?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 18, 2015 at 5:32 am

      ''Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated''

      You really take pride in your cluelessness, don't you? Khamenei doesn't have any 'palaces'. He lives very modestly, and last year went to a state-run, presumably sanctions hit, Iranian hospital for treatment for his prostate cancer.

      You must be confusing him with Israel's Gulf buddies, who would have flown for treatment to the US or Switzerland in private jets with gold plated taps.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius April 16, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      'Catalan' thinks it's all about him!

    • ''t there is something for Israel to fear. ''

      Of course there is. An Iran reintegrated into the world economy and power structure is a serious threat to expansionist Zionism.

    • ''s Israelis (not Jews, but for rhetorical convenience called Jews)''

      But only when they're 'victims'. You'd never hear a Zionist saying ''Jewish soldiers shot dead a Palestinian boy today''. In fact, if anyone else did, they'd be whining about 'antisemitism'. But they're happy to refer to Israelis as 'Jews' - even though between a fifth and a quarter of Israelis are not Jews - when it suits the eternal victim agenda.

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