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I don't mind admitting I am a Zionist, but would like to say there are Zionists and there are Zionists.

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  • PA considers ‘re-defining security coordination’ with Israel in wake of Palestinian govt minister death
    • As usual a report by Deger oozing with blatant bias.

      Abu Ein died yesterday morning before 11:00am from “a blockage of the coronary artery,” where “the bleeding could have been caused by stress,” according to the preliminary findings of the autopsy the Israeli Ministry of Health said this morning. “The poor condition of the deceased’s heart caused him to be more sensitive to stress,” the report continued.
      .....“The Israelis asked to have one of their doctors present and we agreed so that there is no doubt about the findings and there can be a complete condemnation,” said al-Sheikh, adding, ”The cause of death was because the soldiers beat him, fired intensive teargas and prevented Abu Ein from reaching the hospital on time. There is no other narrative.”

      This assertion is so political biased - the truth isn't important, foremost is the Palestinian narrative. Why haven't other protesters died before in similar circumstances? Palestinian protesters regularly put the IDF to the test with their routine confrontational demonstrations that deliberately aim to generate violence to implicate Israel.

      Jordanian officials under the dictates of their leaders no doubt have said "he was assassinated by Israeli occupation forces" with nothing whatsoever to prove this. Their aim is simply to incite.

      Israeli officials have refused to sign the completed autopsy report, stymieing the dissemination of the results

      How ridiculous is this statement - Israel would sign an autopsy report that is based on lies and pro-Palestinian propagandist claims!

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • Following a joint autopsy, the Palestinian doctor concluded that he died as a result of a blow to his body, not of natural causes. The Israeli doctor said the 55-year-old’s death was caused by the blockage of a coronary artery.

      There you have it, one doctor gives an explanation for cause of death, while the other gives an interpretation that does not explain the death, but satisfies the pro-Palestinian propagandists and contributes to the inflaming of tensions.
      Watching this video you see how one of the Palestinians strikes at the soldiers with his flag pole 
      link to theguardian.com Israeli soldiers naturally respond to a clear act of assault.

    • Certainly his trial did not meet the accepted standards of reliability or justice in civilized societies.

      And the Palestinians set the standard?
      link to reuters.com
      Is this what we would get from implementing a Palestinian state? I fear yes. While Israel is repeatedly vilified there is an unattended lack of awareness of the human rights violations committed by the Palestinian government authorities.
      Refer 'Hidden Injustices -A Review of PA & Hamas Human Rights Violations in the West Bank and Gaza' at http://jij.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Hidden-Injustices.-Human-Rights-in-the-PA-7.4.13.pdf

  • For the first time Israel's high court wrestles with legality of punitive home demolitions
    • Sorry to inform you blah chick but there is a war going on at the moment in Israel-Palestine.Just as collective punishment was used by the Allies to successfully end WWII Israel is being forced to resort to the same tactics.

      Rabbi Avihai Ronsky, the former Chief Rabbi of the IDF, wrote (link to tikkun.org) that both the Hebrew bible and modern history give precedents for the proper way to deal with the Palestinians.

      And what are these precedents? The first is a biblical massacre from Genesis 34 in which Jacob’s sons, Simon and Levi, killed every male civilian in a tribal city after a local warlord raped their sister and then demanded her hand in marriage. The second precedent comes from World War II, per Ronsky’s words:

      “Only with a sharp blow will we make it clear that Jewish blood is not cheap. [Just as with the massacre in Genesis 34], the same goes today: only by dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused millions of deaths, did the U.S. bring an end to World War II.”

      Indiscriminate collective punishment should be the last resort if the Palestinians decide to return to the violent strategies of their initifadas. In the meantime punishing those who raise and nurture and give succor to murderers should be strongly discouraged.

    • On numerous occasions they readily condemned the slayings to the press

      Total rubbish!

      Mother of Uday Abu-Jamal recited a chilling poem just a day after Jerusalem synagogue massacre: 'I brought up my children on Islam.'

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188190#.VIJkr8kr3Ws

      The Abu Jammal family got in the act, celebrating the "martyrdom" of their relatives - before police swooped in and arrested several of them....

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187615#.VGvCdPmUdas

      Israel has very little choice when it comes to stemming the tide of violence from Palestinians, who just want to stir up trouble. Those who are in complicit in murderous crimes should be held to account as they are in any democratic society; signs of weakness by the Israeli authorities are seen as victories, encouraging others to commit similar dastardly acts.

  • Living in the aftermath: Palestinians in Gaza struggle under the siege to rebuild
  • It's always been a holy war
    • It's all too convenient to dismiss what people have to say because of who they happen to be. It's a giant cop out to cut the discussion by resorting to accusations of islamophobia.

      Let me say that I could well post a heap of suras from the koran that abrogate those posted by jd65. Also I don't need the expositions of Robert Spencer to make my point - there are many others who are prepared to call a spade a spade and not be suffocated by inane political correctness.
      The mere foundation of the state of Israel puts the Islamic holy book, Qur'an, in doubt. Despite the fact the God is supposed to be angry with them, the Jews have their own state. At this point a conflict appears – a conflict between reality and sort of an illusion stated by the Qur'an.
      link to jewishmag.com
      The state of Israel came into this like a slap on the face of every Muslim. Here were the Jews, a despised people whom God had abandoned, whose very existence had depended so heavily on the toleration extended to them by Muslim states, turning up in force and receiving at the hands of the infidel powers a land that had been part of the Islamic umma for almost fourteen hundred years

    • Is it so hard to answer this question civilly:

      Annie, would you say that the murder of the 4 rabbis can be justified?

      instead of getting into the usual bullying tactics deployed with defenders of Israel?

    • I certainly know what the mother of one of the killers was thinking as she publicly celebrates her son being a shahid.

    • Who started this holy war? By how many centuries does Islam with its in-built antipathy toward dhimmis (Christians and Jews) predate Zionism?

      This discussion which should openly include full consideration of Islam manages somehow to avoid any direct mention of it!

  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • @Robbins -
      "Since Iraq would keep the Jews' property, Sharrett worried that the first immigrants from Iraq might expect the Israeli government to compensate them for their losses - leaving Israel with the double burden of compensating nonrepatriated Palestinians and Iraqi immigrants"

      Jewish Property Claims Against Arab Countries by Michael R. Fischbach (Columbia University Press) 13 Aug 2013 

    • @horizontal, I'm happy to give you $20 to leave the planet.

    • Tell me Seafoid how much financial compensation did those Jews receive who were forced to leave their property in Arab countries because of persecution?

  • Debunking Netanyahu's propaganda on Jerusalem
    • Robbins, you only nitpicked my last comment (everything else I said is irrefutable?) and now an Israel Police investigation is saying that the two Jewish men were ambushed by four Palestinian teens - read http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.628545

    • Inflammatory propaganda - you have to be kidding!
      To ignore the primary role that Islam plays in the whole picture is like designing a vehicle without considering what terrain it has to traverse.
      Jerusalem is at the center of incitement, orchestrated by the head of the global jihad's branch in Israel, Sheikh Raed Salah. For years, he has been trying to inflame the situation. For years, he has been inciting under the slogan "Al-Aqsa is in danger." This is a historic slogan. The copyright belongs to the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Salah adopted it. Read 
      link to ynetnews.com
      , a Yemenite Jew, who writes about Salah, would take great exception to Kurz's blanket insinuation that Israel is based on a system inherently racist to nonwhite Jews.
      And another racist attack against Jews in Jerusalem only a few days ago - http://www.theage.com.au/world/two-arab-suspects-arrested-in-fresh-jerusalem-knife-attack-20141125-11t2z7.html
       

  • Hate attacks in Jerusalem and Israel include one by settler girls
    • Palestinian taxi driver avoids driving into religious Jewish areas

      Over the past month, five Israelis and a foreign visitor have been deliberately run over and killed or stabbed to death by Palestinians. Thankfully now there might be less chance of some renegade Palestinian driving his vehicle maliciously into innocent passers-by in the street.

  • Revisiting 'Graveyard of Numbers': Israel refuses to return remains of Palestinian militants as a punitive measure
    • And Eljay makes his 7746th posting repeating the exact same terms as he always does - oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and zio-supremacist, omitting the word 'ethnic-cleansing' this time through some inexplicable oversight.

      True to form Eljay makes remarks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    • In previous cases, following the police investigation, the bodies of perpetrators were returned to families who held funerals for them, some of which spiraled into violent Palestinian protests. Israel has invariably abided by due procedures, while its enemies have time and time again pursued cruel, hateful measures.
      Hamas has always shouted out that it will reek havoc on Israel when its own militants get killed. Hamas continues to celebrate the brutal murder of innocent people, making it plainly evident that Israel has no-one with whom to negotiate. Israel needs to explore new ways to deal with the current wave of attacks. No nation in the world can allow such heinous acts like those perpetrated in Jerusalem this week to sway its resolve.

    • Israel may be alone in using the dead to actively try to punish the living

      What rubbish! You so conveniently block out of your mind what doesn't suit your vanilla agenda. Israel was held to ransom over the bodies of three of their soldiers in 2004, having to barter hundreds of convicted terrorists in exchange. What a punishment for the living is that, for the families of those who see those who murdered their loved ones being freed.
      Israel perfectly justified in not released the bodies of the murderers - http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/israel-not-releasing-terrorist-bodies/2014/11/19/

      As one commenter so aptly said, "The graves are turned into shrines. It encourages more terror."

      Israel has to find ways to give less and less opportunity to potential murderers to gain from their evil acts.

  • This is not yet an intifada, Palestinians say
    • Kay24, you can't tell the difference between people who are killed whilst protesting violently or firing rockets or planning terrorist attacks and innocent people who are killed in cold blood!
      Are Palestinians going to screw up good and proper now by giving Israel every good reason to clamp down heavily on them?

  • Running for Gaza: Linda Wafi's marathon journey for Palestinian children
    • there was a big fear in 2006 after Hamas was elected that they would force women to wear hijabs, Those fears, she said, were not realized

      However UK courts accepted the evidence on oath, supported by expert evidence, that the fears of women in Gaza were sufficiently real to grant asylum to women from Gaza on the basis of misogynistic actions by Hamas against women - refer http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/22/asylum-seeker/

      Hamas has begun enforcing some Islamic standards of dress for women in  the PA; women must don headscarves in order to enter government ministry buildings.
      Honor killings are a problem in the PA; the Hamas government has not moved to stop these killings and may have set up infrastructures which participate in them. etc etc
      Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories

      There was a Mondoweiss response to the Beinart piece with a rather pathetic rejoinder to Beinart's assertions:

      Beinart should understand that the struggle for “individual liberty and accountable government” will only fully take place once Palestinian rights are truly honored and Palestinians themselves can take full agency over their lives and the society they want to build

      If a people oppress and victimise their own people then the expectations cannot be very high that will treat them and others very differently if and when the barriers come down. Where's the sense of mutual sympathy and concern for one's fellow man? It seems like Islamic political dogma is much more important in Gaza than human compassion.

      So Robbins it seems that your blindspot grows bigger by the minute. Maybe you could pick up a cheap copy from one of your Hamas contacts of the Babes Of Hamas’ pinup calendar that has apparently been selling rather poorly.

      From Operation Protective Edge it seems that women and children in Gaza are most useful to Hamas as human shields than they are for other purposes.

    • The Pro-Palestinian Left's Hamas Blindspot - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/08/the-pro-palestinian-left-s-hamas-blindspot.html

    • Try doing this in Gaza itself which is a cesspit of misogyny 

      link to theguardian.com

  • Sea change down under: Ex-Australian Foreign Minister announces himself a 'Friend of Palestine'
    • Shingo you can't have it both ways. The Australian published the original guff from Carr about his Arabophilic epiphany. To advance full and open discussion the reply from Magid was printed.
      Seems like you managed to circumvent the paywall very easily as most people can do.
      Murdoch does a much fairer job than Fairfax who have adopted a biased left wing perspective where they censor opinions that don't agree with their soggy politically correct agenda.

    • Typical stupid tactic of demeaning the person as a way of avoiding having to deal with the discussion points.

    • Thank you Straightline for a proper perspective.

    • @lysias you have started your quote with "The crisis came in the last months of Gillard’s term" after starting off your remarks with "That was widely speculated at the time of Rudd’s ouster in 2010"

      The problem with your false conjecturing is that Gillard's term ended in June 2013. The Palestinian recognition question only came up prior to the end of her term.

      The decision process in the Labour Party as to who was best to lead was based on other considerations - to blame it on a 'Zionist' conspiracy is the usual hysterical claptrap that comes from people who want to blame the Jews for everything (i.e. anti-semites).

    • @annie, for your information here 'The Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust' at

      link to bbc.com

      This reference to 'Muslim supporters of Israel' is also interesting
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      i wonder if she’s even been to palestine!

      I wonder if you Annie have been to Israel.

      Ahmed is opposed to the occupation of the Palestinian Territories, but admits that she doesn't know how Israel can relinquish control over a region hosting "a virulent Jihadist ideology" and leaders calling for her own destruction.

    • @lysias, your source for "largely as a result of Zionist pressure"?

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