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I don't mind admitting I am a Zionist, but would like to say there are Zionists and there are Zionists.

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  • The growing ties between #BlackLivesMatter and Palestine
    • This is all about blatant political opportunism - exploiting the people of Ferguson for ulterior political motives, fomenting trouble, hunting for allies in an unreceptive world where pushing one's own unpopular agenda is paramount.
      Anti-Israel activists have set on a deliberate course to hijack the Ferguson and #BlackLivesMatters protests to their own anti-Israel agenda.
      "It’s the strategy we have seen time and again — turn every issue into an anti-Israel issue through exploiting domestic racial divisions."
      "That anti-Israeli agenda, which involves encouraging confrontation with police in solidarity with Palestinians, is helping provide the accelerant to an already volatile situation..."
      Looks like a lot of these pro-Palestinian agitators will be spending time in prison where they will have plenty of time to polish up their manifestos.

  • On the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz
    • On the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz - an event on a scale which has never been matched in history for the shocking dimension of human suffering - some choose to diminish the significance of the Holocaust and use it to divert attention to their own political agendas. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens but today has been reserved.

      The demonstrators who disrupted a NYC Council motion vote commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz show how low some people are prepared to go. This is pure anti-semitism that emanates from the pro-Palestinian movement - invoking the Nakba to distract from the horrors of the Holocaust is despicable behavior.

      Jews don't have a monopoly on the Holocaust and the commemoration I attended tonight acknowledged all the different groups of people who were affected. Jew haters will always demean the efforts of Jews on the world stage and the actions of Jews, who punch well above their weight, are despised ipso facto by dedicated judeophobes the world over (MondoWeiss constituents strongly represented).

      A study just reported in Haaretz comparing high school textbooks in 139 countries and territories shows that just 57 countries describe Holocaust directly. Yes Ellis the lessons remain but from the tone of the remarks around here it doesn't seem that much has sunk in.

      "The International Day in memory of the victims of the Holocaust is thus a day on which we must reassert our commitment to human rights. [...] We must also go beyond remembrance, and make sure that new generations know this history. We must apply the lessons of the Holocaust to today’s world. And we must do our utmost so that all peoples must enjoy the protections and rights for which the United Nations stands."  - United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

  • Living in Israel isn't the solution to antisemitism
    • I am dismayed when I see anti-semitic depictions and I complain if I think it is necessary to do so. I have complained on occasions about the poor taste or wrongful misrepresentations of our ABC and had many of my complaints acknowledged and the matter rectified.

      On the other hand cartoons of Mohammed are not going to stir non-Muslims into Islamophobic rage  - they only really bother the insiders and they don't just complain, they go out and KILL.

    • Is it a false comparison to say that if you can insult the prophet Muhammad, you should be able to poke fun at the Holocaust?

      Loewenstein writes with the pen of the appeasing apologist - drawing a false moral equivalence between anti-semitism and Islamophobia.

      Whereas Jews weather anti-semitism (as they have done for millenia) and take recourse through appropriate legal and media avenues; Mohammedans scream blue murder over the depiction of their prophet (even in plain vanilla terms) and go on murderous rampages when their precious sensibilities are challenged.

      Furthermore, cartoons of Mohammed are at most riling Muslims whose specious views contradict the cultural and social values of our own western, democratic society. You only have to listen to the anti-freedom rants of Hizb-ut-Tahrir in the back streets of Sydney yesterday to see views that oppose our society's basic principles: e.g. ""We rejected freedom yesterday, we rejected freedom today and we reject your freedom tomorrow,"

      Cartoons of Mohammed don't directly stir up Islamophobia as they generally tend to be humorous, satirical representations rather than inciteful, hateful portrayals of Jews that can inject more venom into the fangs of anti-semites and consequently lead to more hate crimes. Muslims, by maintaining a separatist position, not integrating like other minorities into the mainstream of multicultural society, stir up resentment from the rest of the community, who tend to feel that they are not sharing equally in the task of building a nation.

      If Muslims were to show due respect to the multicultural societies in which they live and not keep demeaning our Western democratic values then we might be more willing to accede to their wishes . In the meantime it is totally hypocritical for Muslims to complain about the way in which we speak about them, when they show scant contempt for our way of life, many proclaiming (as in Sydney yesterday) that we would be much better off under Sharia law.

  • The ‘hasbara’ tweeps who brought down Jim Clancy, and their ties to Israel and the Israel lobby
    • @Boomer, he wasn't dismissed - he fell on his own sword.If you are asked for an apology and an apology should be forthcoming and you don't apologize then to resign is obligatory. Clancy suffered from 'foot in mouth' disease which in professional circles is generally fatal.

  • Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks
    • He wants a Europe free of Jews

      Cook is putting words into Netanyahu's mouth to suit his own agenda.

      Netanyahu is perfectly entitled to entice Jews, who are waking up to the sad realities of a mangled Europe, to come to Israel. More Jews will continue to emigrate and it is in Israel's interests to attract those who decide to leave for whatever reason.

      To stretch this to claim that Netanyahu wants ALL Jews to leave Europe is false, shoddy, alarmist rubbish.

  • #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique
    • There is a very strong whiff of a fallacious argument that when Israel is asserting itself that anti-semitism increases and so Israelis are causing anti-semitism. Robert Cohen has been quick to try and dodge the accusation that he is "not falling into the mindset of blaming the victims" however I think he has unfortunately failed to avoid wearing that criticism.

      The spike in anti-Jewish behavior at times like Operation Protective Edge reflects pure and unadulterated anti-semitism, which hibernates in our society until there is the opportunity for people with such inclination to express it. All criticism of Israel or protests related to Israel's actions does not equate to antisemitism. What is clear is that increased reporting of tensions overseas and a rise in anti-Israel rhetoric provides an excuse/pretext to antisemites to act on their beliefs and carry out intimidation directed towards Jews.
      When key players in the media, pushing their own agendas, keep inferring Israel is the sole perpetrator in the I/P conflict, using contrived images of Palestinians to pull at the heartstrings of the politically ignorant, the scene is set for more irrational, anti Jewish reaction. 

      Do Phil or Adam ever consider how much succor they give to anti-semites by running Mondoweiss?  

      Refer http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/falkenstein-why-must-my-friend-be-afraid-to-be-jewish/5656978

    • 1 in 4 British people (25%) believe Jews chase money more than other British people

      Tell me how that anti-semitic attitude has anything to do with Israel.
      And these questions in the survey that also revealed how widespread endemic anti-semitism is and how fundamentally it has nothing to do with Zionism:

      1. Jews think they are better than other people.

      2. In business, Jews are not as honest as most people.

      3. I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew.

      4. Jews have too much power in the media.

      5. Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.
      Jews who think that they can counter anti-semitism if they behave 'better' and kowtow to the sensibilities of the other are fools who have learned nothing from the annals of history.

      What Israel does can generate spikes in anti-semitism but the underlying bases for anti-semitism are fed by more deeply entrenched prejudices.
      Reading Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition (New York: Norton, 2013) by David Nirenberg,  has helped me understand much better at a meta-level the virulent hate that Jews have faced throughout history. Nirenberg's 'brilliant, fascinating, and deeply depressing book' goes a long way to explain the malignant 'noise' that we keep hearing about Jews and their allegedly 'unsavory' behaviours.

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • @seafoid, hasbara (actually public diplomacy) is not one-sided and monotonous like the constant drone of [...] propaganda. Whereas one attempts to deal with facts and offers explanations (hasbara), the other keeps pushing the single-minded, obsessive narrative of [...]. Naturally the term hasbara has to be demeaned - this is a common, cheap debating trick. It means you are trying to get away without dealing with the details of the opposition case by claiming it is based on a single, allegedly wrong premise.

  • ICC opens war crimes inquiry into Israel over Gaza war as Palestinians prepare another UN resolution
    • seafoid, seems to be having a few problems with the world.

      As he draws our attention what is the message?

      In his equation he forgot to add in the item 'Muslim Anti-semitism' and misread 'assertion of Israel as a Jewish state' as 'Zionist violence' which gives a different answer i.e. ultra dangerous becomes Islamic terrorism.

    • "ICC’s new prosecutor on Arab conflicts, how Islam plays a role in guiding her and her vision for the international court"
       
      Al Arabiya asked Bensouda whether she, as prosecutor of the ICC, would refuse a referral, if she didn’t believe in it; she replied “absolutely”.
       
      On whether her religion plays any role in helping her do the job that she has been elected to do, she said: “Absolutely, definitely. Islam, as you know, is a religion of peace, and it gives you this inner strength, this inner ability and a sense of justice. Together with my experience, this will help a lot.”

      Jews, who have suffered from endemic Islamic hatred since the birth of Islam, are to feel confident that Bensouda is best suited to her extraordinary role and responsibility? The world appeases Islam yet again by acceding to a Muslim having jurisdiction over Jews in such irrevocably compromised circumstances.

       
      Refer http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/15/182694.html

      The ICC further diminishes its credibility:

      "But the (ICC) prosecutor (Bensouda) did not actually determine the Palestine qualifies as a “state” under the well-established legal definitions of the term.  Rather, she said that the U.N. General Assembly’s vote in 2012 to call Palestine a “non-member state” is dispositive of the question. In short, she substituted the determination of the General Assembly for her own. The GA is not a judicial body, but a political one. Its determinations are political, not legal. (It also has no power under the U.N. Charter, to create or recognize states.)

      "Statehood, however, is a legal term, with legal criteria (“the Montevideo test”), which involve judgement and the application of law to facts. Of particular relevance is the requirement that to become a state, a territory have a functioning government exercising supreme control in at least part of its claimed territory. The requirements for the creation of a state do not mirror those for its extinguishing. Thus the possibility of a “state under occupation,” to use the Palestinian’s favored term, does not preempt the need for there to first be a state under Montevideo definitions. The Palestinians, however, claim all of their territory is and has always been under the control of Israel.

      "The U.N. General Assembly need not be troubled by such legal problems because it is an explicitly political body. It need not be coherent or consistent, unlike a court. For the Prosecutor to take the judgements of such a body on the application of legal terms in the Rome Statute to particular facts as binding upon the Court is to surrender her independence. The Court’s statute, as well as its press releases, demand and proclaim its independence. Yet decisions like this one violate independence, making it a mere organ of the U.N., and of the General Assembly at that."

      So much for legal niceties ...

      Refer http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/16/icc-prosecutor-undermines-courts-independence/

  • It's not the cartoons-- a contrarian perspective from a Muslim cartoonist
    • @mooser, you encapsulate a closed mentality that ignores what somebody might say and concentrate instead on the 'color of their skin'. What hope is there for rational discussion if you dismiss what somebody has to say because of who they happen to be?

    • No wisdom from Whizdom -
      Oddly he didn't kill or threaten any of the hostages after the initial assault
      Yeh he only killed 4 people so he wasn't such a bad guy!

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • The Syrian Observatory’s total of 76,021 deaths for 2014 compared with its total of 73,447 in 2013, 49,294 in 2012 and 7,841 in 2011 from http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/02/world/middleeast/syrian-civil-war-2014-deadliest-so-far.html. This is a total of over 200,000 people having been killed in Syria in 3 years.

      On the other hand deaths in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 1987-2014 over a period of 27 years are 8500 Palestinians and 1500 Israelis for a grand total of 10,000 from http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000639

      Where is the perspective around here Shingo?

      It seems that one Palestinian death is 200,000/10,000 X 27/3 = 180 times more important than the death of every Syrian.

    • @shingo, you keep on trying to avoid reality to push what seems to be your only concern - the dissolution of Israel.
      You know that Netanyahu and Hollande would not have wanted to give another opportunity for a Muslim misfit to kill some more Jews in France right now hence the security concerns.
      Just as you were dismissive about the terrible death toll in Syria when it was escalating, so you are blind to the bleak prognosis for Jews in a Muslim plagued Europe.

    • The dishonesty in the remarks here is mind-blowing. France has just screwed Israel with its ill-considered vote in the UN Security Council as it has done before when de Gaulle stopped arms shipments to Israel after the 1967 war. The issue with Netanyahu coming to Paris was fundamentally to do with security. For Netanyahu to be prevented from attending the ceremonies in Paris would have delivered yet another insult by France to Israel as it struggles desperately to prevent more Islamic terrorism.
      There will always be your appeasers like Rabbi Margolin, Jews not prepared to wake up to the grim reality of a Europe that is succumbing to enormous pressure from its burgeoning Muslim populations. The cat is out of the bag - it is way too late for interfaith hug-fests and such delusional dilly dallying.

  • 'With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France': Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper
    • @Robbins, you keep twisting reality and making things up - you have no sense of perspective.

      killed more last summer than were killed at the paris office massacre

      Seriously, what credibility can you claim for yourself when you make blatantly false assertions like this.

      According to this report from the Committee to Protect Journalists sixteen journalists have been killed in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 1992 - four were killed in the outbreak last summer. 
      link to cpj.org

      Of the four journalists killed one was killed by an unexploded missile that blew up, two were killed in an Israeli bombardment on a market in the Shijaiyah neighborhood (therefore not specifically targeted), one was killed by an Israel shell fired during a day when more than 60 Palestinians and 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in clashes between Israeli and Hamas forces in Shijaiyah.

      These incidents in war-torn Gaza hardly compare to the deliberate cold-blooded murder of defenseless journalists sitting in their office oblivious of the barbaric act that was about to be inflicted upon them.

    • There is a huge huge difference between wishing somebody would die and actually committing a murderous terrorist act.

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • @tokyobk, take a reality check

      its ok to poke fun at Muslims in ways that would never be done to other groups in polite society.
      Muslims SHOULD be just like the rest of us (no special treatment for deceptively alleged victimhood), but their religion (political ideology) prevents that.

    • Notwithstanding that the disgraceful article was pulled by the IBT is the fact that Greta Berlin, BDS Leader, spokesperson for the Free Gaza Movement responsible for the Gaza flotillas, actually declared this on her Facebook feed:
      “MOSSAD just hit the Paris offices of Charlie Hebdo in a clumsy false flag designed to damage the accord between Palestine and France…Here’s hoping the French police will be able to tell a well executed hit by a well trained Israeli intelligence service and not assume the Muslims would be likely to attack France when France is their freind (sic.) Israel did tell France there would be grave consequences if they voted with Palestine. A four year old could see who is responsible for this terrible attack.”
      "Berlin’s remarks about the Charlie Hebdo slaughter are not the first time she has promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. In 2012, even some Jewish anti-Zionists were angered by her endorsement of a video featuring an obscure anti-Semite named Eustace Mullins, who charged, in the words of Berlin’s tweet at the time, that “Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews.”

      Refer http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/01/08/bds-leaders-promote-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theory-linking-mossad-to-charlie-hebdo-atrocity/
      These kind of remarks demonstrate that the accusations that the BDS is fundamentally driven by anti-semitic precepts are proven.

    • @taxi, have you got some statistics on the number of people killed by islamophobes compared to islamists? And you contend that they are each an "equal grave danger". Amazing logic!

  • Media obsesses over 'free speech' in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists
    • Yes, Mossad assassinated him in London in 1987

      @zaid, you choose to believe this when there is no definite proof. Naji al-Ali worked in Beirut, Kuwait and finally in London and his deceptively simple (and prolific) drawings targeted Arab governments, Iran, America and Israel. It is just as likely that he was murdered by an Arab who didn't take a fancy to his depictions. However it is convenient to dump everything on to Mossad - throw enough mud and some of it will stick.

      "Colleagues reported that weeks before his death he was warned not to attack Arafat, then in exile in Tunisia and much criticised for his authoritarian style and lack of accountability. "You must correct your attitude," he was told in no uncertain terms.

      On June 24 he published a cartoon lampooning the PLO chief and a woman friend - a highly sensitive issue for a leader who always claimed to be "married" to the Palestinian revolution. Less than a month later, he was fighting for his life in a London neurosurgical ward after being shot in the face at point-blank range.

      Shortly afterwards, British police arrested a Palestinian student named Ismail Sowan. He turned out to be a double agent for both the PLO and Mossad, Israel's intelligence service, and claimed his controllers had been briefed on the plan to kill al-Ali. The affair triggered a furious row between the UK and Israel.

      Sowan was convicted of possessing arms and explosives. The family are convinced to this day that the murder was carried out on Arafat's orders. But no one was ever charged."

      Refer http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/10/israelandthepalestinians1

  • 'Spiral,' 'threat,' 'polarization,' or 'full-scale popular campaign for Palestinian freedom' -- reactions to the ICC move
    • @robbins, all the hullabalu because Israel is sick and tired of being pushed on to the 'succumb to the Palestinian pressure agenda merry-go-round' and the incessant intractable demands. Israelis want an end to the constant politicising of the 'Palestinian' cause and an end to the virulent campaign to delegitimize and criminalize Israel.

    • @taxi, yes we know the whole Muslim world with the help if their left-wing confederates hates the Jewish upstarts. We know the Israel's Muslim neighbours would like one of their vurulent Islamist proxies to start a regional war. Is Israel going to kowtow to such obvious pressure tactics? I don't think so. Forced into a corner any animal will come out fighting to ensure its survival. With the US pushed more to Israel's side than ever before the PA can start looking for funding its bureaucrats from other sources.

    • The rapist-victim metaphor again and again. How about some constructive thought instead of using deliberately emotive language. Anything to keep the pro-Palestinian cause alive, to keep the fires burning, going to the ICC is like flogging a dead horse - it will do absolutely nothing to advance the prospects for peace.

  • Ari Roth is fired by DC Jewish center -- after staging Nakba play
    • Jews are supposed to be free to go about undermining Israel in the name of free speech while nobody gives a rats arse about the tactics of the pro-Palestinian camp? It seems like MW is quite willing to support anything that slams Israel, but with true hypocrisy is totally blind to the other side which is much much worse in its behavior.

      Should Jews be permitted to put on theatre that extols the efforts of the Nazis in exterminating Jews? Where's the limit? Isn't it about time that Jews who support Israel don't give free licence to Jews who think it is OK to help the efforts of the enemy? This is not a free speech issue per se but an issue of not committing treasonable activities - not doing things to unnecessarily endanger or damage the position of Israel in the eyes of the world. There are plenty of other people doing this - so why lend them assistance?

      Palestinian journalists are repeatedly arrested in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for reportedly criticizing the policies and leaders of the PA and Hamas. This regular assault on freedom  of expression does not seem to bother the Western countries that fund the PA, or Hamas supporters from all around the world or Mondoweiss.

      "During the peace talks, the director-general of the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group criticized his own government, declaring, "There is no freedom of expression in our areas." A Palestinian blogger was arrested by the PA for starting a Facebook campaign called "The People Want an End to Corruption." A West Bank university lecturer was arrested for criticizing Mahmoud Abbas on Facebook. The former information minister was shot after calling for reforms in the PA. This bullying and intimidation is intended to deepen the frustration and hatred in Palestinian consciousness and provoke hostility toward the Jewish people."

  • PA considers ‘re-defining security coordination’ with Israel in wake of Palestinian govt minister death
    • As usual a report by Deger oozing with blatant bias.

      Abu Ein died yesterday morning before 11:00am from “a blockage of the coronary artery,” where “the bleeding could have been caused by stress,” according to the preliminary findings of the autopsy the Israeli Ministry of Health said this morning. “The poor condition of the deceased’s heart caused him to be more sensitive to stress,” the report continued.
      .....“The Israelis asked to have one of their doctors present and we agreed so that there is no doubt about the findings and there can be a complete condemnation,” said al-Sheikh, adding, ”The cause of death was because the soldiers beat him, fired intensive teargas and prevented Abu Ein from reaching the hospital on time. There is no other narrative.”

      This assertion is so political biased - the truth isn't important, foremost is the Palestinian narrative. Why haven't other protesters died before in similar circumstances? Palestinian protesters regularly put the IDF to the test with their routine confrontational demonstrations that deliberately aim to generate violence to implicate Israel.

      Jordanian officials under the dictates of their leaders no doubt have said "he was assassinated by Israeli occupation forces" with nothing whatsoever to prove this. Their aim is simply to incite.

      Israeli officials have refused to sign the completed autopsy report, stymieing the dissemination of the results

      How ridiculous is this statement - Israel would sign an autopsy report that is based on lies and pro-Palestinian propagandist claims!

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • Following a joint autopsy, the Palestinian doctor concluded that he died as a result of a blow to his body, not of natural causes. The Israeli doctor said the 55-year-old’s death was caused by the blockage of a coronary artery.

      There you have it, one doctor gives an explanation for cause of death, while the other gives an interpretation that does not explain the death, but satisfies the pro-Palestinian propagandists and contributes to the inflaming of tensions.
      Watching this video you see how one of the Palestinians strikes at the soldiers with his flag pole 
      link to theguardian.com Israeli soldiers naturally respond to a clear act of assault.

    • Certainly his trial did not meet the accepted standards of reliability or justice in civilized societies.

      And the Palestinians set the standard?
      link to reuters.com
      Is this what we would get from implementing a Palestinian state? I fear yes. While Israel is repeatedly vilified there is an unattended lack of awareness of the human rights violations committed by the Palestinian government authorities.
      Refer 'Hidden Injustices -A Review of PA & Hamas Human Rights Violations in the West Bank and Gaza' at http://jij.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Hidden-Injustices.-Human-Rights-in-the-PA-7.4.13.pdf

  • For the first time Israel's high court wrestles with legality of punitive home demolitions
    • Sorry to inform you blah chick but there is a war going on at the moment in Israel-Palestine.Just as collective punishment was used by the Allies to successfully end WWII Israel is being forced to resort to the same tactics.

      Rabbi Avihai Ronsky, the former Chief Rabbi of the IDF, wrote (link to tikkun.org) that both the Hebrew bible and modern history give precedents for the proper way to deal with the Palestinians.

      And what are these precedents? The first is a biblical massacre from Genesis 34 in which Jacob’s sons, Simon and Levi, killed every male civilian in a tribal city after a local warlord raped their sister and then demanded her hand in marriage. The second precedent comes from World War II, per Ronsky’s words:

      “Only with a sharp blow will we make it clear that Jewish blood is not cheap. [Just as with the massacre in Genesis 34], the same goes today: only by dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused millions of deaths, did the U.S. bring an end to World War II.”

      Indiscriminate collective punishment should be the last resort if the Palestinians decide to return to the violent strategies of their initifadas. In the meantime punishing those who raise and nurture and give succor to murderers should be strongly discouraged.

    • On numerous occasions they readily condemned the slayings to the press

      Total rubbish!

      Mother of Uday Abu-Jamal recited a chilling poem just a day after Jerusalem synagogue massacre: 'I brought up my children on Islam.'

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188190#.VIJkr8kr3Ws

      The Abu Jammal family got in the act, celebrating the "martyrdom" of their relatives - before police swooped in and arrested several of them....

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187615#.VGvCdPmUdas

      Israel has very little choice when it comes to stemming the tide of violence from Palestinians, who just want to stir up trouble. Those who are in complicit in murderous crimes should be held to account as they are in any democratic society; signs of weakness by the Israeli authorities are seen as victories, encouraging others to commit similar dastardly acts.

  • Living in the aftermath: Palestinians in Gaza struggle under the siege to rebuild
  • It's always been a holy war
    • It's all too convenient to dismiss what people have to say because of who they happen to be. It's a giant cop out to cut the discussion by resorting to accusations of islamophobia.

      Let me say that I could well post a heap of suras from the koran that abrogate those posted by jd65. Also I don't need the expositions of Robert Spencer to make my point - there are many others who are prepared to call a spade a spade and not be suffocated by inane political correctness.
      The mere foundation of the state of Israel puts the Islamic holy book, Qur'an, in doubt. Despite the fact the God is supposed to be angry with them, the Jews have their own state. At this point a conflict appears – a conflict between reality and sort of an illusion stated by the Qur'an.
      link to jewishmag.com
      The state of Israel came into this like a slap on the face of every Muslim. Here were the Jews, a despised people whom God had abandoned, whose very existence had depended so heavily on the toleration extended to them by Muslim states, turning up in force and receiving at the hands of the infidel powers a land that had been part of the Islamic umma for almost fourteen hundred years

    • Is it so hard to answer this question civilly:

      Annie, would you say that the murder of the 4 rabbis can be justified?

      instead of getting into the usual bullying tactics deployed with defenders of Israel?

    • I certainly know what the mother of one of the killers was thinking as she publicly celebrates her son being a shahid.

    • Who started this holy war? By how many centuries does Islam with its in-built antipathy toward dhimmis (Christians and Jews) predate Zionism?

      This discussion which should openly include full consideration of Islam manages somehow to avoid any direct mention of it!

  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • @Robbins -
      "Since Iraq would keep the Jews' property, Sharrett worried that the first immigrants from Iraq might expect the Israeli government to compensate them for their losses - leaving Israel with the double burden of compensating nonrepatriated Palestinians and Iraqi immigrants"

      Jewish Property Claims Against Arab Countries by Michael R. Fischbach (Columbia University Press) 13 Aug 2013 

    • @horizontal, I'm happy to give you $20 to leave the planet.

    • Tell me Seafoid how much financial compensation did those Jews receive who were forced to leave their property in Arab countries because of persecution?

  • Debunking Netanyahu's propaganda on Jerusalem
    • Robbins, you only nitpicked my last comment (everything else I said is irrefutable?) and now an Israel Police investigation is saying that the two Jewish men were ambushed by four Palestinian teens - read http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.628545

    • Inflammatory propaganda - you have to be kidding!
      To ignore the primary role that Islam plays in the whole picture is like designing a vehicle without considering what terrain it has to traverse.
      Jerusalem is at the center of incitement, orchestrated by the head of the global jihad's branch in Israel, Sheikh Raed Salah. For years, he has been trying to inflame the situation. For years, he has been inciting under the slogan "Al-Aqsa is in danger." This is a historic slogan. The copyright belongs to the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Salah adopted it. Read 
      link to ynetnews.com
      , a Yemenite Jew, who writes about Salah, would take great exception to Kurz's blanket insinuation that Israel is based on a system inherently racist to nonwhite Jews.
      And another racist attack against Jews in Jerusalem only a few days ago - http://www.theage.com.au/world/two-arab-suspects-arrested-in-fresh-jerusalem-knife-attack-20141125-11t2z7.html
       

  • Hate attacks in Jerusalem and Israel include one by settler girls
    • Palestinian taxi driver avoids driving into religious Jewish areas

      Over the past month, five Israelis and a foreign visitor have been deliberately run over and killed or stabbed to death by Palestinians. Thankfully now there might be less chance of some renegade Palestinian driving his vehicle maliciously into innocent passers-by in the street.

  • Revisiting 'Graveyard of Numbers': Israel refuses to return remains of Palestinian militants as a punitive measure
    • And Eljay makes his 7746th posting repeating the exact same terms as he always does - oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and zio-supremacist, omitting the word 'ethnic-cleansing' this time through some inexplicable oversight.

      True to form Eljay makes remarks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    • In previous cases, following the police investigation, the bodies of perpetrators were returned to families who held funerals for them, some of which spiraled into violent Palestinian protests. Israel has invariably abided by due procedures, while its enemies have time and time again pursued cruel, hateful measures.
      Hamas has always shouted out that it will reek havoc on Israel when its own militants get killed. Hamas continues to celebrate the brutal murder of innocent people, making it plainly evident that Israel has no-one with whom to negotiate. Israel needs to explore new ways to deal with the current wave of attacks. No nation in the world can allow such heinous acts like those perpetrated in Jerusalem this week to sway its resolve.

    • Israel may be alone in using the dead to actively try to punish the living

      What rubbish! You so conveniently block out of your mind what doesn't suit your vanilla agenda. Israel was held to ransom over the bodies of three of their soldiers in 2004, having to barter hundreds of convicted terrorists in exchange. What a punishment for the living is that, for the families of those who see those who murdered their loved ones being freed.
      Israel perfectly justified in not released the bodies of the murderers - http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/israel-not-releasing-terrorist-bodies/2014/11/19/

      As one commenter so aptly said, "The graves are turned into shrines. It encourages more terror."

      Israel has to find ways to give less and less opportunity to potential murderers to gain from their evil acts.

  • This is not yet an intifada, Palestinians say
    • Kay24, you can't tell the difference between people who are killed whilst protesting violently or firing rockets or planning terrorist attacks and innocent people who are killed in cold blood!
      Are Palestinians going to screw up good and proper now by giving Israel every good reason to clamp down heavily on them?

  • Running for Gaza: Linda Wafi's marathon journey for Palestinian children
    • there was a big fear in 2006 after Hamas was elected that they would force women to wear hijabs, Those fears, she said, were not realized

      However UK courts accepted the evidence on oath, supported by expert evidence, that the fears of women in Gaza were sufficiently real to grant asylum to women from Gaza on the basis of misogynistic actions by Hamas against women - refer http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/22/asylum-seeker/

      Hamas has begun enforcing some Islamic standards of dress for women in  the PA; women must don headscarves in order to enter government ministry buildings.
      Honor killings are a problem in the PA; the Hamas government has not moved to stop these killings and may have set up infrastructures which participate in them. etc etc
      Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories

      There was a Mondoweiss response to the Beinart piece with a rather pathetic rejoinder to Beinart's assertions:

      Beinart should understand that the struggle for “individual liberty and accountable government” will only fully take place once Palestinian rights are truly honored and Palestinians themselves can take full agency over their lives and the society they want to build

      If a people oppress and victimise their own people then the expectations cannot be very high that will treat them and others very differently if and when the barriers come down. Where's the sense of mutual sympathy and concern for one's fellow man? It seems like Islamic political dogma is much more important in Gaza than human compassion.

      So Robbins it seems that your blindspot grows bigger by the minute. Maybe you could pick up a cheap copy from one of your Hamas contacts of the Babes Of Hamas’ pinup calendar that has apparently been selling rather poorly.

      From Operation Protective Edge it seems that women and children in Gaza are most useful to Hamas as human shields than they are for other purposes.

    • The Pro-Palestinian Left's Hamas Blindspot - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/08/the-pro-palestinian-left-s-hamas-blindspot.html

    • Try doing this in Gaza itself which is a cesspit of misogyny 

      link to theguardian.com

  • Sea change down under: Ex-Australian Foreign Minister announces himself a 'Friend of Palestine'
    • Shingo you can't have it both ways. The Australian published the original guff from Carr about his Arabophilic epiphany. To advance full and open discussion the reply from Magid was printed.
      Seems like you managed to circumvent the paywall very easily as most people can do.
      Murdoch does a much fairer job than Fairfax who have adopted a biased left wing perspective where they censor opinions that don't agree with their soggy politically correct agenda.

    • Typical stupid tactic of demeaning the person as a way of avoiding having to deal with the discussion points.

    • Thank you Straightline for a proper perspective.

    • @lysias you have started your quote with "The crisis came in the last months of Gillard’s term" after starting off your remarks with "That was widely speculated at the time of Rudd’s ouster in 2010"

      The problem with your false conjecturing is that Gillard's term ended in June 2013. The Palestinian recognition question only came up prior to the end of her term.

      The decision process in the Labour Party as to who was best to lead was based on other considerations - to blame it on a 'Zionist' conspiracy is the usual hysterical claptrap that comes from people who want to blame the Jews for everything (i.e. anti-semites).

    • @annie, for your information here 'The Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust' at

      link to bbc.com

      This reference to 'Muslim supporters of Israel' is also interesting
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      i wonder if she’s even been to palestine!

      I wonder if you Annie have been to Israel.

      Ahmed is opposed to the occupation of the Palestinian Territories, but admits that she doesn't know how Israel can relinquish control over a region hosting "a virulent Jihadist ideology" and leaders calling for her own destruction.

    • @lysias, your source for "largely as a result of Zionist pressure"?

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