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I don't mind admitting I am a Zionist, but would like to say there are Zionists and there are Zionists.

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  • After Palestinian takes gold in Rio for Jordan, Israelis claim his roots are 'Israeli'
    • Jordan is Palestine.

    • Dishonest reporting - milking this story with as much anti-Israel venom as can be mustered . Reading the Jewish Telegraphic Agency story mentioned one gets an impression of a real good news story:
      "Jordan won its first-ever Olympic medal — a gold — thanks to the performance of a Palestinian taekwondo fighter ..."
      "Abu Ghosh is considered a model of coexistence between Israeli Jews and Arabs"
      "under public pressure and protest by left- and right-wing Israelis over what was perceived as an unjust and ungrateful move, most of Abu Ghosh’s residents were allowed to resettle there by 1950."
      "Today, Abu Ghosh is one of a few Arab-Israeli villages with Jewish residents."
      But MW finds a way as usual to twist a story of celebration into another anti-Israel hate binge.

  • Olympian at the checkpoint: why a Palestinian swimmer couldn't train in Jerusalem
    • The Palestinians disgraced themselves with the Munich massacre back in 1972. The Olympic movement has embarrassed itself ever since by never properly acknowledging this massacre at the Olympic Games. The world has been bullied into accepting the Palestinians by the pro-Palestinian propaganda machine; to do otherwise would be to invite terrorism and threats of intimidation to your nation's doorstep.

    • Palestinians competing at the Olympics are an embarrassment. They don't have the wherewithal. Their presence at Rio has nothing to do with them having any sporting prowess; they are showing up just to win propaganda points.

      Mohammed Abu Khoussa, the first Palestinian runner to compete in the 100-meter event in the Olympics ran the worst time 11:89 of all competitors in the heats of the event. He had hoped to beat his current best time of 10:55, especially after just having completed 10 months of training on the African Island nation of Mauritius.

  • Out of 1.8 million Gazans, 250 over age 50 are allowed to travel to Jerusalem to pray
    • @YoniFalic, surely you know that the Temple Mount was relinquished after the 1967 war by Dayan and "the heavy limitations it (Israel) imposed on itself there, contravened in many ways everything that believing Jews pray for every day."

      Dayan’s most significant act on the Temple Mount, which sparked controversy over the years and was widely criticized, was to forbid Jewish prayer and worship there, unlike the arrangements that have emerged at the Machpelah Cave in Hebron where there is also a functioning mosque.

      Dayan decided to leave the mount and its management in the hands of the Muslim Wakf, while at the same time insisting that Jews would be able to visit it (but not pray at it!) without restriction. Dayan thought, and years later even committed the thought to writing, that since for Muslims the mount is a “Muslim prayer mosque” while for Jews it is no more than “a historical site of commemoration of the past…one should not hinder the Arabs from behaving there as they now do.” (I say very gracious indeed).

      The Israeli defence minister believed that Islam must be allowed to express its religious sovereignty – as opposed to national sovereignty – over the mount; that the Arab-Israeli conflict must be kept on the territorial-national level; and that the potential for a conflict between the Jewish religion and the Muslim religion must be removed. In granting Jews the right to visit the mount, Dayan sought to placate the Jewish demands for worship and sovereignty there. In giving religious sovereignty over the mount to the Muslims, he believed he was defusing the site as a center of Palestinian nationalism."

      In other words Dayan was well aware of the propensity of the Muslim clergy to create hysteria at the drop of a hat so he made a sacrifice for the sake of keeping the peace but this in way diminishes the Temple Mount as a site of deep religious significance for Jews.

      That didn't prevent the lies and deceit that emerged in this latest round of Palestinian incitement where Muslim clerics used well-worn libels to stir up anger and hatred in the Palestinian community with unfounded fears of threats to Al-Aksa.

      Read "The Al-Aksa is in Danger" Libel: History of a Lie"

    • How many Jews are permitted to pray on the Temple Mount?
      Answer: 0

  • Video: Israeli soldier throws 8-year old Palestinian girl's bike into bushes
    • @Mooser, the Jews have never compelled Muslims to convert to Judaism. It is Muslims who have given the Jews in Muslim society three great choices - convert to Islam, die by the sword or live as a dhimmi.

    • @Roha, so you say "Don’t settle there, then. No-ones forcing you to.". How about trying the same sentence on the Palestinians who have their claws on Jerusalem?

    • @talknic,

      “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

      ― Socrates

    • @Shingo, you are obviously delighted to tout canards that aren't true if they advance your Pallywag cause.

    • @talknic you should bury you legalistic gobbledegook once and for all because this isn't where the conflict exists today. At its core it has become an existential dispute and the squabbling over territory is only a ruse to feed to the West who can't fathom that a dispute can be over anything beside terrority.

    • I am entitled to live in Australia because I am Australian. Jews are entitled to live in greater Israel because they are Jewish; this is where their roots lie and Israel is the Jewish state.

    • @zaid, you must feel perfectly at home on Mondoweiss with like-minded Jew haters who don't think the Jews have the right to nationhood and self-determination in their ancestral home. Pray tell who has the right to live in historical Palestine, the small unproductive Muslim population of 250,000 in 1800 who possessed nothing akin to an Arab Palestinian identity until the Jews arrived? Then all of a sudden an identity was born out of a xenohobic, knee-jerk reaction to the Zionists who re-invigorated a land in the doldrums.

    • @Annie, you remember the Hebron massacre? Not easy for Jews to settle into a community full of Muslims who have demeaned them throughout history.

    • Ben Gurion made a statement of fact on behalf of the Jewish people; that doesn't present an opportunity to slam Ben Gurion per se. The simple fact of the matter here is that Hebron matters more to the Jews historically and religiously than to any other people and Ben Gurion said it.

    • Pray tell why aren't the Palestinians permitted to use the road now . Could it be because of terror threats and constant friction between settlers and Palestinians? Jews have a right to live in Hebron. According to Ben Gurion Hebron is even more significant in Jewish history than Jerusalem.

    • This is a real chickenshit report. When the big stories break that tell us what really matters like the one today about DFAT (Australia Dept of Foreign Affairs) suspending World Vision Palestine Aid after allegations that charity money has gone to Hamas we don't hear a word.

  • Palestinian Foreign Affairs Ministry to World: Stop issuing useless condemnations
    • Jon66 is spot on.
      And Robbins I ask you:
      can you imagine native americans inciting violence against your American government and roaming the streets in pursuit of innocent civilians with the intention of killing them?

    • @Marnie, old news I suspect but your link is bad. And don't worry I am awake to you and most of all I love the smell of Israeli hummus.

    • Southern section of Jerusalem highway opened last April which includes a 180 meter tunnel beneath Beit Safafa.
      You have a recent picture or reference depicting what you intimated?

    • Always presenting information through the hypocritical MondoWeiss anti-Israel filter:

      No mention of 600 new units, in Arab Beit Safafa.

      "Same territory, same government, everyone involved being a registered resident of the Israeli capital city of Jerusalem, yet the State Dept. has nothing negative to say about the Beit Safafa expansion plan.

      "In other words, the US is upset with Israeli construction in eastern Jerusalem when Israeli Jews receive the housing, but it’s fine for Israel to build in the forbidden zone for Israeli Arabs.

      "In fact, the State Dept. announcement completely ignores the Israeli government’s effort on behalf of Israeli Arabs in Jerusalem, condemning Israel for “denial of Palestinian development that risk entrenching a one-state reality of perpetual occupation and conflict.”

  • Meet Ali Kurnaz, young Democratic leader who lifted Palestinian flag on convention floor
  • The sensitive Zionist -- a review of Natalie Portman's new film
    • Marnie, why not ask Abbas if he will extend his plan to sue Britain for the Balfour Declaration and sue Germany as well for causing the Holocaust and thus upsetting the Palestinians and their supporters?

  • Israelis take on Facebook 'monster' with claims it knowingly incites Palestinian attacks
  • Answering Yair Lapid's (contemptuous) questions about refugees
    • The Afghani refugees are mainly those born in Afghanistan with about 30% direct descendants (first generation). Here we are talking of families who have been directly impacted from the war in their country and not descendants who have no direct link any more with the place from which their dim and distant ancestors may have fled.
      The ruse with alleged Palestinian refugees is the unique definition applied to 'Palestinian' “refugees.” UNRWA count not only those who actually left their homes but those in ALL succeeding generations, presumably forever. Any descendants of Palestine refugee males, including adopted children, are considered eligible for registration.
      @David44, this unique, on-going entitlement for 'Palestinians' in perpetuity is what I believe is and have referred to as "total insanity".

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    • One of those Palestinian 'refugees' Bassem Eid woke up to the fact that UNRWA staff are just out to perpetuate the conflict in order to protect their own jobs; they have no interest in settling the refugee problem so their jobs don't become obsolete. And as he said,
      "Most Palestinians believe that it (right of return) is not realistic any more. When leaders make the same promise for 66 years and do not deliver, most people realize that the leaders are liars. The UNRWA is a liar too because it is part of the battle for the right of return.
      In 2003 we had in Ramallah a very remarkable organization (Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, headed by Khalil Shikaki) that conducted a referendum among the Palestinian refugees.
      The question was “what is the solution that you are seeking from the international community?” Seventy percent of those surveyed said that they wanted compensation. I think that most Palestinian refugees want to be compensated and start rebuilding their lives and dignity. I visited refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, and the majority of the refugees don’t believe that the right of return is realistic."
      As for paragraph 184 of the UNHCR handbook (not the UNRWA handbook by the way) it states following what Ofir has quoted, "Thus, a dependant member of a refugee family may be a national of the country of asylum or of another country, and may enjoy that country’s protection. To grant him refugee status in such circumstances would not be called for."
      This explains why Palestinian refugees are the only people who have been artificially kept as refugees and not been absorbed by host countries. In Jordan, Syria and Lebanon for example Palestinian refugee camps exist because these counties have refused to give them citizenship and have kept them as pawns to oppose Israel.
      Palestinians are actually the ONLY group in the world all descendants of whom are counted as refugees, and they have their very own UN agency, UNRWA which receives over 4 times as much funding and employs 5 times more staff than UNHCR the agency which takes care of all the other world refugees combined. This is total insanity!

  • Israeli officers permitted to open fire on boys with slingshots
    • @talknic, you either have a mind like a sieve or you are unable to view reality except through your anti-Israel lens. Don't you know that Jordan has been turning away Palestinians escaping from Syria since 2012.
      Furthermore Jordan has been revoking the citizenship of Palestinians for some time and because Jordan has been very secretive about such practices and with the world not being too concerned about it (being so obsessed about Israel) not much is known.
      Have you forgotten Black September when Jordan showed just how much it likes Palestinians especially when they want to threaten the hegemony of the Hashemite kingdom?
      Maybe if Arafat had managed to topple King Hussein there may have finally been a genuine foundation established for a Palestinian state.

    • @just, not a word of anger or indignation over the fact that Jordan has over 2 million Palestinians stored away in refugee camps and the percentage of Palestinians in Jordanian society is said to be close to 70%. If you looked at the situation logically you should be shouting out loud about the transgressions of the Hashemite kingdom but in true hypocritically fashion your silence on that score is deafening.

  • Elie Wiesel is Dead
    • I observe the fanatical indignation of the pro-Palestinian mob who complain that a man who fought against racism and bigotry all his life didn't throw his lot in with the Palestinians. It is like watching the vultures flying over a corpse looking for slim pickings.
      When is Phil going to be handing out sweets to the comment that best bags Elie Wiesel?

    • Annie, for your benefit (since you requested it) some direct words from Elie Wiesel.

      Wiesel "defines the modern anti-Semite, first and foremost, as anti-Israel. "It's very difficult to separate between the two," he says.

      "There are anti-Semites who are only anti-Israel," he explains. "Once I thought that anti-Semitism had ended; today it is clear to be that it will probably never end. It might weaken sometimes, but it will continue existing, because in different countries there is no shame in being an anti-Semite. We must remember that anti-Semitism led to Auschwitz. Without anti-Semitism there would have been no Auschwitz."

    • So everybody has to pay homage to the plight of the Palestinians as though that cause sits up there in the pantheon as the worst example of human injustice. Are people at MondoWeiss totally demented with no sense of proportion at all?
      What is particularly insane on this topic is the non-mention of the key phrase 'anti-semitism' which even Obama recognised when he acknowledged Elie Wiesel Raised His Voice Not Just Against anti-Semitism, but Against All Bigotry
      By the tone of the discussion here there is a spiteful undercurrent of Jew hatred in the comments which could well explain why no mention of anti-semitism has appeared to potentially expose the character of the graceless opinion and spite being expressed.

  • Netanyahu's bloody incitement
    • @just, why not pick one of the Neturei Karta to be your go to person? It is bizarre to be quoting someone who will find himself removed from his role and probably much worse if he doesn't do what the regime asks and expects of him. Every synagogue in Teheran has a Muslim overseer - Jews are not given the right to even manage their own houses of worship.
      Listen to Kooshyar Karimi's harrowing account of life as a Jew in the repressive hateful regime of Iran.

  • Family of Tel Aviv attacker tries to understand how star pupil turned to violence
    • Ben Ehrenreich, who wrote this Politico article is one of those Jewish anti-semites admired by Mondoweiss adherents. All this sickening pity evident here for the supporters of those who commit violent hate crimes and not a word for the innocent victims of indiscrimate terror.
      Somehow every attack against an Israeli can be justified because the Palestine cause is pure; this logic is based on an ideological stance that has no basis in rationality or historical truth.
      Palestinians in cahoots with their complicit Arab brethren have had a multitude of opportunities to strike an accord since the Zionist immigration wave at the turn of the 20th century, but time and time and time again it has been apparent that there is one irrevocable item on their agenda and that is to get rid of the Jews.

  • Religious zealots ready for takeover of Israeli army
    • It is totally unacceptable for a military officer to make political statements. For Yaalon to condone what Golan did cannot be countenanced by any country that has a responsible government. Allowing such behaviour could lead to and encourage a complete breakdown of the fundamental fabric of a democracy. If the party/parties in power can be undermined by their own armed forces, a climate is created that can threaten the very security of the nation and create a climate conducive to military coups.

  • The Making of Israel: Zionist settler colonialism in historic Palestine
    • Talknic, your bluster is no substitute for the facts.
      The Jordan annexation of the West Bank was never recognised by the UN or any country other than the UK and Pakistan.
      UN Security Council resolution 465 makes no mention of international law. In fact if you go to the wikipedia discussion on the subject of international law you will find nothing that equates the frequent bigotry of UN resolutions with what is encompassed by international law.
      And I note above that you have not found a rejoinder to my remark about what the LoN mandate (a legally binding treaty) said about Jews being entitled to settle ANYWHERE in the mandate of Palestine.

    • And remember Talknic Jews were entitled under the LoN Mandate to settle anywhere between the river and the sea.

    • I hear this statement over and over and over again

      expansion of settlements defined as illegal under International Law

      Just because the assertion of illegality is repeated over and over again doesn't make it true. Most of the world have had their brains hijacked on this issue by those ignorant of the legal complexities, propagandists and pro-Palestinian sympathisers who follow the dictum "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
      Professor Eugene Kontorovich makes the case debunking the notion of 'illegality' but hacks like Talknic keep harping on about Article 49(6) of the Fourth Geneva Convention (inapplicable), violations of the Hague conventions re the principle that it is illegal to acquire territory by force (inapplicable ), the UNGA resolutions which are non-binding and UN Security Council resolutions under chapter VI which are actually intended to be followed and implemented via negotiated settlements between concerned parties etc.

  • Saying Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is not anti-Semitic
    • @eljay, you utter your meaningless platitudes about supremacist states of any kind and instead of showing a proportional attitude to the situation where you deal in some way with the dozens of much more intolerant Islamic states you constantly harp on about the ONE tiny state that is struggling against all odds to maintain its identity as a democratic Jewish state. You are a duplicitious hypocrite whose hollow utterances obviously resonate in this anti-semitic cesspit.

    • The report of the Regents Working Group on Principles Against Intolerance also declared:

      opposition to Zionism often is expressed in ways that are not simply statements of disagreement over politics and policy, but also assertions of prejudice and intolerance toward Jewish people and culture

      A perfect summation of the ethos of Mondoweiss.

  • Zionism is not really secular
    • Ofir misses out completely on the fact that political-secular Zionism was born from the need to deal with endemic antisemitism in society. Zionism as a primary offshoot from Judaism had to deal with the same societal dangers as did religious Judaism and has not had to co-opt religiosity to justify itself.
      Ofir misses the term 'messianism' in his analysis. Secular Zionism today has transcended the traditional bounds of messianism that was previously rooted just in religion.

  • 'Morbid symptoms' in Palestine
    • the PA is doing its best to frustrate these attacks

      What about a shred of evidence to substantiate this statement.

  • Tom Friedman to work as Cairo taxi driver 'because those guys know everything'
  • 'We don’t want to find ourselves in a position like apartheid South Africa': A report from Israel's first national conference against BDS
    • Coming from the likes of self-hating Jew Lowenstein this sardonic view of the anti-BDS conference is par for the course. With anti-BDS legislation firing up right round the world the BDS movement is in deep crisis and it is common sense for Israel’s advocates to go all out to destroy the BDS movement. Despite the claims here that BDS is hurting Israel and is on the ascendancy the facts of the matter are that BDS has failed miserably with its anti-semitic rhetoric.
      Case in point is this event taking place in my home city today. Intended only for Pallwags it is essentially an emergency meeting where pro-Palestinian advocates are desperately trying to work out how to dig their narrative out of the doldrums.
      Lowenstein can freely attend the anti-BDS event in democratic Israel while the pro-Palestinian event, bemoaning the fact that the media is sick and tired of the anti-Israel battle cry, stages its own version - an autocratic hatefest.

  • Rejected by Brazil, Israeli settler leader Dani Dayan given diplomatic post in US
    • Israel has enough countries in the world with which it can have open and honest diplomatic relations. It would be well advised to give Brazil the finger and let that country stew in its poverty and pollution.
      I fear for their local Jewish population who must be facing the brunt of anti-Zionism i.e. anti-Semitism.

  • Israeli soldier filmed killing wounded Palestinian finds support among Israeli politicians
    • @eljay, reporting from his echo chamber surrounded by alleged Zio-supremacists, has missed out one of the IDF values, namely
      - to prevent pro-Palestinian propagandists from staging and disseminating Pallywood photo-opportunities that muddle the thinking of those still open to reason.

  • Jewish settlers threaten life of Palestinian who shot video of execution
    • @talknic, I am here all right. In typical fashion you blurt out abuse - the only language you know. If you had bothered to follow the previous article through you would have read about evidence that suggests the soldier's action was justified

    • According to a civilian paramedic who was at the scene, those responding to the stabbing incident feared the terrorist was wearing an explosive vest and he was about to detonate it, which is when the IDF officer shot him.

      This paramedic said that the soldiers and emergency personnel began to yell that the terrorist is still moving, and they think he has a bomb on him.

      The eye- and earwitness said he heard it with his own ears, and that if the B’tselem video had an audio recording (conveniently for propagandists never interested in the facts it did not) it would confirm that this is what happened.

      Stepping back from the incident, notice how all blame and responsibility for a terrorist action that was perpetrated by the Palestinian attacker is overlooked. The Palestinian who intended to murder is portrayed as victim. These images are used as propaganda vehicles, the truth not being important, rather the capturing of the media's attention with a slanted propaganda message.

  • Palestinians in Gaza are drinking contaminated water
    • @eljay, your response is beyond a joke. You conveniently avoid the nonsense claim about the output of Gazan water purification plants still being contaminated. As for your idiotic suggestion that Israel should withdraw into Israel proper - this is a sure recipe for suicide with Israel a sitting duck for terrorists bent on its destruction surrounding it on all borders, and you know it.

    • Abuse totally devoid of any rational argument with a regular dose of propaganda seems to be the modus operandi here. Can somebody please explain why the output of a Gazan water purification plant is still contaminated? Sounds like a contradiction in terms. If Hamas spent what they do on digging tunnels on improving their water resources then ..... (maybe)

    • The Gaza Water Crisis has been happening for some time, this is nothing new. Just trotting out the same old Pallywag propaganda - this has nothing to do with Israel's blockade of Gaza.
      "Hamas and the Palestinian Authority in general failed to manage Gaza’s civil affairs. Even prior to the July 2014 Operation Protective Edge, an alarming collapse of Gaza’s physical infrastructures was evident: electricity, sewage, and most gravely, the supply of drinking water.
      "Unlike its provision of electricity to Gaza, Israel currently provides only negligible quantities of water. Gaza’s water crisis was created completely by Hamas, and the Palestinian Authority before it.
      "The 1993 Oslo agreements made the Palestinian Authority responsible for water management in Gaza, and in 1995 the PA established the Palestinian Water Authority (PWA). In other words, from that point on, all matters involving water were in Palestinian hands.
      "Israel’s position must be clear: it is willing to help with the rehabilitation of Gaza’s drinking-water system but not in a humanitarian framework. Instead, this must be done in the context of a binding political agreement entailing the rehabilitation of the civilian infrastructure in return for the destruction of the terror infrastructure."
      We're still waiting for Hamas to bite the bullet - not likely soon given their hateful agenda where the destruction of Israel matters more than the welfare of their own citizens.

  • Zionism is finally in the news, as officials seek to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
    • In your narrow mind Talknic it is "non-Israeli territory" but it has never been the territory of any other sovereign presence in recent times. To all intentions purpose it was terra nullius when the Jews came to settle there and to this day it remains disputed territory with the Jews having the most solid, substantive claim to it.
      Please tell me when this so-called identity known as the "Palestinian people" first emerged to stake a claim to this territory . To my recollection it didn't happen until it was ordained by the KGB in 1964.

    • Correction: I should have said that Talknic did "falsely equate between a colonist enterprise and colonialism".
      Colonialism is defined as control by one country over another area and its people and those who came to settle the land of Palestine were colonists, they were NOT the imperialistic agents identified with any colonial power.
      I don't expect those intent on bashing Israel will be bothered by semantics.

    • @talknic, naturally it's in your interests to falsely equate between a colonial enterprise and colonialism

    • Political Zionism rose as the remedy to anti-semitism that was endemic across Europe in the late 19th century. As a corollary to this anybody opposing Zionism and negating the fundamental premise of Zionism, which was to overcome anti-semitism, is encouraging and fostering a legitimacy for anti-semitism. As a consequence those who demean Zionism by attributing to it falsehoods of colonialism etc are supporting what Zionism was challenging, namely anti-semitism.

      Furthermore those who diminish the significance of anti-semitism do so to justify/rationalize their antagonism to Zionism. For very very many, being anti-semitic is at the core of their opposition to Israel, and they wear their anti-semitism (which of course they deny to avoid any possible stigma) as a kind of badge of honour. "I am not anti-semitic they say but I hate what Israel, the Jewish state, does" - such expressions amounting to justifications in order to achieve one's hidden agenda that is basically predicated on judeophobia.

      Who will willingly accept they are anti-semitic and not attempt to disguise all the trappings like anti-Zionism as it operates today, when there are still many who consider anti-semitism and its associated manifestations repugant in the extreme?

  • El Al captain indoctrinates the passengers, but only in Hebrew
    • Mati, knowing that Islamic terrorists don't discriminate, probably flies by El Al because he doesn't want to get his head blown off and El Al is the airline with the best guarantee that he will actually get to his destination in one piece.

    • @mooser, I think Yonah's conscience like mine cannot hold truck with free roaming Israel bashers.

  • Palestinians grapple with knife attacks as violence enters fifth month
    • Never once the word 'incitement' mentioned. A totally deluded and disingenuous analysis. Extraordinary that forty-six percent of Palestinians are in support of knife attacks against Israelis.
      In the Washington Post read Terror by any other name = There is no justification for Palestinian attacks on Israelis
      "Terrorism begins with incitement and a constant brainwashing of people into a doctrine of hatred and murder, calculated to see their 'enemy' not as individuals or people, but as a dehumanized, false entity that must be eliminated. Every day we see examples of this on Palestinian television, where children’s shows talk of killing Jews, and sermons by religious authorities tell their faithful to raise up their knives. Yet these are not shows run by individuals with an illegal transmitter. These are shows that are commissioned and run on official Palestinian government channels. It is a carefully orchestrated campaign to launch an intifada against Israel by the highest authority."
      Is nobody prepared to take responsibility for this? Everyone making excuses and justifying the unjustifiable.

  • Sayed Kashua doesn't want to write in Hebrew for 'Haaretz' anymore
    • I advocate a two-state solution consisting of two secular and democratic state

      Just as I said a 'fantasy model', completely useless under the current reality. @eljay, you have no credibility.

    • Israel is the enemy

      How can Israelis not feel threatened and antagonistic to their Arab minority when those who reap the benefits of living in Israel speak with deeply entrenched hatred?
      How can any Israeli feel safe and trust any Arab today standing in their vicinity?
      It's like Sayed Kashua who spurns success and widespread acknowledgement for his work in Israeli society because his soul has been poisoned.
      It's like Omar Bhargouti educating himself at Tel Aviv University and using the opportunity to annihilate his benefactors.
      It's like those who get hospital treatment courtesy of Israel turning upon their helpers.
      It's ultimately about violence.
      It's non-acceptance of the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state.
      It's called biting the hand that feeds you.

    • @eljay, if as you say Israel should be eliminated and replaced with some kind of fantasy model that swims around in your head, it is perfectly sensible to look at the practical alternatives. Whatever you might be imagining has no credibility. To replace Israel with yet another undemocratic, despotic Arab controlled state will do nothing to enhance the stability of the Middle East, a region racked already by Islamic inspired violence and terror.

  • Hanan Al Hroub's 'Global Teacher award' is a victory for all Palestinian educators over Israeli occupation and PA corruption
    • From the Times of Israel:

      As al-Hroub accepted her award, Palestinians in the audience waved their country’s flag and some chanted, fists pumping in the air, “With our souls, our blood, we sacrifice for you, Palestine.”

      In her acceptance speech, she reiterated her mantra of “No to violence” and stressed the importance of dialogue.

      The reaction of al-Hroub's vocal supporters shows us a very contradictory message.

      This is clearly meant to be a plain "feel good" story and there are many elements of Hanan's "sell" that are worthy. However the notion that Israel is the source of violence is false. There is a failure to acknowledge self-responsibility and hence a moral failure. "No to Violence" is therefore just code for "No to Israel" and this is not helpful.

      Palestinians must be educated to say "Yes to Israel" as a valid and valued entity in their neighbourhood.

      Pope Francis is a fool and a moral idiot. His endorsement should immediately ring alarm bells.

      Why was my previous post with this content censored?

    • Hardly surprising for a body founded and headquartered in Dubai.

  • Netanyahu slams Abbas in wake of killing of American tourist
    • The paucity of argument here is reflected in the arrogance of the personal abuse.

    • @zaid, you seem to believe that you own the Palestine narrative. Read about 9 Incredible Muslims that Support Israel

      More and more Muslims are seeing the light - apparently it hasn't yet penetrated into your dark cave.

      Who ordains that your interpretation is valid? With the raging conflict amongst Muslims around the world today, a conflagration orders of magnitude worse than the I/P conflict, which Islamic view can be considered 'correct'?

      Can you refute the arguments of each person or even just some? Isn't it supremacist / arrogant to presume that you know better than others?

      You are approaching this discussion full of arrogance and hypocrisy, believing that only you have the true story, completely lacking in openness and humility.

    • @eljay, you hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Did the same search for 'surely' amongst your repetitive remarks and you take the cake! But then I tried Zio-supremacists (1461 results found) - take stock of yourself, you sound like a worn-out 78 rpm phonograph record stuck in a groove.

      Of course on the topic at hand nobody coming out to defend the Canaanite Palestinians.

      MW needs to bring 'Hostage' out of retirement.

    • Zaid said

      surely modern Palestinians are as close as it can get to a Canaanite

      I remember learning principles of logical reasoning and as soon as somebody uses the word surely the alarm bells should signal.

      Zaid has no justification for what he says about the alleged heritage of the Palestinians, who are basically a hodgepodge of ring-ins from all of the Middle East and beyond.

    • Of course I expect my use of a blacklisted reference Elder of Zion to be blocked because it tells a truth that people here don't want to hear so I'll repost the gist here:

      "It is good to know that Palestinian Arabs are in fact descended from Canaanite non-Arabs.

      Except for those named Erekat/Uraiqat/Areikat.

      And the famous Husseini family of Jerusalem, who came in the 12th century. (The Shawishes come from the Husseinis.)

      And the equally famous Nashashibis of Jerusalem, who are of Kurdish/Turkoman or Arabian peninsula origin.

      And the Abu Ghoshes, who came around the time of the Crusades, possibly from Europe.

      And the Barghoutis, who came from the Bani Zeid clan who arrived after the Crusades as well.

      And the Al Khalil family, from Mecca.

      And the Khazens, who are from Lebanon.

      And the Nusseibehs, the oldest Arab family in Jerusalem, who arrived in the 7th century.

      And the Qudwa and Arafat families, who came from Aleppo, Syria to Gaza in the late 17th century.

      And the Ridwans, who came from the Ottoman empire to become leaders in Gaza.

      And the Salibas, from Greece via Lebanon.

      And the Touqans, from either northern Arabia or northern Syria.

      And the Hammoudas from Transjordan.

      And the Zeitawis who came from Mecca to Morocco to Gaza. They are related to the Zaghabs.

      And the Ghassans, who came from Arabia to Lebanon.

      And the Tamimis, who come from the Tamim tribe of Arabia.

      And the Tarabins, who claim to originally come from the Bakom Valley east of Mecca.

      And the Jabaris, who descend from an inhabitant of the Jabar castle on the Euphrates.

      And the Matar family from Kuwait.

      And the prominent Jerusalem family Nammari, who came to Palestine from Spain during the expulsion.

      And the Adwans, who came from the Hijaz.

      And the Dajanis, originally from Arabia but whose first resident came to Palestine from Spain and Morocco.

      And even the Nabulsi family, who are named after the town of Nablus, but Nablus only got that Arabicized name in the 7th century.

      The Murads came from Albania, and settled in Palestine in the 1500s.

      The Al Hafi clan descended from Bishar al-Hafi who lived in Baghdad.

      The Chehaybers are of Turkish-Arab descent.

      And the Hejazis from Arabia, Mughrabis from Morocco, Masris from Egypt, Houranis from Syria, Turkis and Dogmushes from Turkey, Yamanis from Yemen, Jaziris from Algeria, Hindis from India, Kurdis from Kurdistan, Halabis from Aleppo, Trabelsis (Tripoli), Sudanis (Sudan), Faranjis (French), and Shamis (Syria).

      But besides every famous Palestinian Arab clan, sure, everyone else must be Canaanites."

    • Firstly I see no refutation of the fact that the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. There are no other contenders based on any historical source.

      As for the Koran reference I was making the point which I obviously need to emphasize for the naysayers and oldgeezers of our world that the Palestinians are not mentioned or even hinted at in the Koran, but the Children of Israel are mentioned countless times and they are mentioned as the Chosen People, as written in Al-Baqara, Verse 47:

      "O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds."

      They are mentioned as inheritors of the Holy Land which, according to all the Islamic commentators, is Jerusalem and the country around it.

      Also Tawfik Hamid, Egyptian Islamic scholar and reformer, explains that the Koran went even further to consider the Promised Land as the permanent inheritance for the Israelites (26:59) :

      "Thus it was, but we made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the Promised Land)".

      He continued by saying:

      "No Muslim has the right to interfere with the gathering of the Jews in Israel, as this is the will of God himself"

    • @ossinev, the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine, even the Koran acknowledges this.

    • @trainsiberia, your argument is preposterous.

      Without Israel there would have been no sufferings of Arab

      Take stock of over 300,000 Arabs killed in neighbouring Syria before you utter such rubbish.

    • Force’s killing was unusual, taking place near the Jaffa port at a busy commercial location where Palestinians and Israelis often mix. Two Palestinian citizens of Israel and one pregnant tourist were among those injured in the attack.

      If you start reading the wikipedia article on Arab citizens of Israel you will realize that many Israeli Arabs might identify as Palestinian and designate themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel, but that does not acknowledge the fact that many Israeli Arabs don't care for the Palestinian label and all its trappings. More and more Israeli Arabs realize that as Arabs they can get a better deal living as citizens of Israel than in any Arab country.
      For Deger to use the terms 'Palestinian' and 'Israeli Arab' interchangeably is perpetuating a trope.

  • Palestinian citizens of Israel respond to poll showing Jewish support for expelling Arabs from country
    • We hear the fervent catch cry of the anti-Zionists claiming somehow that Jews, who have been suffering under the brunt of an unprecedented spate of attacks under the mantle of the ‘third intifada’, have an innate hatred of Arabs and want to see them expelled from the country.
      First of all the figures reported are inconsistent with the findings of previous studies and the survey itself was replete with misconceptions, but that didn’t stop Horowitz lapping up the misleading conclusions, always keen to push his propagandist barrow despite many fallacies.
      The question asked “Should Arabs be expelled or transferred from Israel.” could be construed as all Arabs by some or as those Arabs sympathetic to the cause of terrorism against Israel.
      “Every respondent will have interpreted the question in their own way, which is bad planning by Pew because it needed just one more letter to make this aspect of the question clearer. The definite article is extremely important in Hebrew, and if Pew was interested in what Israeli Jews think about the presence of Arabs, it should have asked about “the Arabs” not “Arabs” — which would have required one extra letter, a hey.
      “The Israel Prize-winning sociologist Sammy Smooha of Haifa University, who compiles a regular survey on Jewish attitudes towards Israel’s Arab minority and vice-versa, has called the question ‘misleading and vague’.
      “But beyond a general fluffiness with the question, there was a deeper problem with the concepts that it probed. The meaning of ‘expulsion’ was clear, but what was meant by ‘transfer’? The leading Israeli pollster Camil Fuchs, who was not involved in the Pew research, said he understood the word haavara — transfer — to refer to a process by which nobody leaves their homes.
      “He said that while it would be subject to respondents’ own interpretation, it mostly signals the proposal to redraw borders in order to place some Israeli Arabs under Palestinian jurisdiction. Also known as ‘land swaps’, this is a mainstream Israeli doctrine, based on the premise that if a peace deal ever happens, Israel will give up parts of Israel to the Palestinians in return for holding on to some settlements. US President Barack Obama has advocated land swaps as a way to make a peace deal realistic.
      “And so, a question that will have been for some — and we cannot ignore this — expelling all Arabs, for others will have been about expelling or physically transferring some individuals. Meanwhile, there will have been respondents who were just embracing land swaps. Dr Fuchs says that Pew’s sky-high figure resulted from that no-no of polling known as ‘double barrelling’.

  • Uproar in Gaza as Abbas rejects new electricity lines to address power crisis
    • Why can't Annie Robbins respond to my question about whether she has ever visited Israel? I'm sure others would like to know.

    • @Robbins, you talk about hate sites. MW takes the cake. And moreover if you don't like what I say and you prevent me from expressing myself (censorship), you create an environment that resembles what you find in the Middle East outside of Israel. Have you ever been to Israel or do you rely on what you hear from your confederates? Do you believe that dishonesty is going to win your cause?

    • @echinococcus, you clearly belong to the camp that uses lies and propaganda steeped in anti-semitism to advance your cause. Likening the actions of Jews to those of the Nazis is one typical foul tactic that is commonly exploited by anti-semites especially keen to drive a knife into the Zionist soul.[..]

    • This report is fascinating following the other recent post in MondoWeiss about the PA crackdown on West Bank teachers.
      Hearing finally of criticism of the operation of the PA under Abbas' tutelage with this:

      … Abbas has rejected a proposal to build Gaza new electricity lines to support the power sector in the impoverished coastal enclave. The project reportedly received Israeli consent, but failed to get the green light from the PA. The Israeli station added that everything was ready and agreed about, until the PA declared its position of thwarting the plan without explanation.

      Netanyahu is somehow expected to be able to make a deal with the Palestinians with a leadership completely fractured and Abbas about to exit very soon.
      Where is the howling pack of anti-Zionists at the moment? Not even making excuses.[..]
      Pallywags - all of them.

  • PA continues crackdown on West Bank teachers strike as anger with anti-democratic Palestinian leadership spreads
    • The paucity of responses to this article about the corruption of the PA illustrates the true demeanor of MondoWeiss. The Palestinians are just used a vehicle to damn and slam Israel - if there was real concern about the demise of the Palestinians then those who genuinely cared about their plight would come out with full force to criticize the PA that is preventing the Palestinians from self-actualizing and achieving statehood. Instead they stay dormant, hypocrites to the core, waiting for the next opportunity to bash Israel - that's the name of the game.
      And one guy here actually seriously suggests that Hamas should take over the West Bank as though Hamas is any better than the PA!

  • Palestinian fugitive is killed inside Palestinian embassy in Bulgaria; family calls it 'assassination'
    • So Palestinian on run from Israel was ‘assassinated’ in Bulgaria. Drawing conclusions here based on prejudice.
      Bulgaria says there were no gunshot wounds on the body of the dead Palestinian fugitive. According to one of the Bulgarian news reports, the terrorist fell from the upper floor of the Palestinian embassy building. This could suggest that Zayed committed suicide or that it was staged to look as such.
      If Israeli agents managed to penetrate the Palestinian embassy where Zayed was being protected then congratulations to them.

  • British schoolboy questioned for pro-Palestine badge and pro-BDS pamphlet
    • The original remark needs redress - it should have stated it always starts with discriminating against the Jews.

  • Tunnels remain Hamas' most strategic asset in the Gaza Strip

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