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I don't mind admitting I am a Zionist, but would like to say there are Zionists and there are Zionists.

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  • Media obsesses over 'free speech' in Charlie Hebdo case while ignoring Israeli targeting of journalists
    • Yes, Mossad assassinated him in London in 1987

      @zaid, you choose to believe this when there is no definite proof. Naji al-Ali worked in Beirut, Kuwait and finally in London and his deceptively simple (and prolific) drawings targeted Arab governments, Iran, America and Israel. It is just as likely that he was murdered by an Arab who didn't take a fancy to his depictions. However it is convenient to dump everything on to Mossad - throw enough mud and some of it will stick.

      "Colleagues reported that weeks before his death he was warned not to attack Arafat, then in exile in Tunisia and much criticised for his authoritarian style and lack of accountability. "You must correct your attitude," he was told in no uncertain terms.

      On June 24 he published a cartoon lampooning the PLO chief and a woman friend - a highly sensitive issue for a leader who always claimed to be "married" to the Palestinian revolution. Less than a month later, he was fighting for his life in a London neurosurgical ward after being shot in the face at point-blank range.

      Shortly afterwards, British police arrested a Palestinian student named Ismail Sowan. He turned out to be a double agent for both the PLO and Mossad, Israel's intelligence service, and claimed his controllers had been briefed on the plan to kill al-Ali. The affair triggered a furious row between the UK and Israel.

      Sowan was convicted of possessing arms and explosives. The family are convinced to this day that the murder was carried out on Arafat's orders. But no one was ever charged."

      Refer http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/10/israelandthepalestinians1

  • 'Spiral,' 'threat,' 'polarization,' or 'full-scale popular campaign for Palestinian freedom' -- reactions to the ICC move
    • @robbins, all the hullabalu because Israel is sick and tired of being pushed on to the 'succumb to the Palestinian pressure agenda merry-go-round' and the incessant intractable demands. Israelis want an end to the constant politicising of the 'Palestinian' cause and an end to the virulent campaign to delegitimize and criminalize Israel.

    • @taxi, yes we know the whole Muslim world with the help if their left-wing confederates hates the Jewish upstarts. We know the Israel's Muslim neighbours would like one of their vurulent Islamist proxies to start a regional war. Is Israel going to kowtow to such obvious pressure tactics? I don't think so. Forced into a corner any animal will come out fighting to ensure its survival. With the US pushed more to Israel's side than ever before the PA can start looking for funding its bureaucrats from other sources.

    • The rapist-victim metaphor again and again. How about some constructive thought instead of using deliberately emotive language. Anything to keep the pro-Palestinian cause alive, to keep the fires burning, going to the ICC is like flogging a dead horse - it will do absolutely nothing to advance the prospects for peace.

  • Ari Roth is fired by DC Jewish center -- after staging Nakba play
    • Jews are supposed to be free to go about undermining Israel in the name of free speech while nobody gives a rats arse about the tactics of the pro-Palestinian camp? It seems like MW is quite willing to support anything that slams Israel, but with true hypocrisy is totally blind to the other side which is much much worse in its behavior.

      Should Jews be permitted to put on theatre that extols the efforts of the Nazis in exterminating Jews? Where's the limit? Isn't it about time that Jews who support Israel don't give free licence to Jews who think it is OK to help the efforts of the enemy? This is not a free speech issue per se but an issue of not committing treasonable activities - not doing things to unnecessarily endanger or damage the position of Israel in the eyes of the world. There are plenty of other people doing this - so why lend them assistance?

      Palestinian journalists are repeatedly arrested in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for reportedly criticizing the policies and leaders of the PA and Hamas. This regular assault on freedom  of expression does not seem to bother the Western countries that fund the PA, or Hamas supporters from all around the world or Mondoweiss.

      "During the peace talks, the director-general of the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group criticized his own government, declaring, "There is no freedom of expression in our areas." A Palestinian blogger was arrested by the PA for starting a Facebook campaign called "The People Want an End to Corruption." A West Bank university lecturer was arrested for criticizing Mahmoud Abbas on Facebook. The former information minister was shot after calling for reforms in the PA. This bullying and intimidation is intended to deepen the frustration and hatred in Palestinian consciousness and provoke hostility toward the Jewish people."

  • PA considers ‘re-defining security coordination’ with Israel in wake of Palestinian govt minister death
    • As usual a report by Deger oozing with blatant bias.

      Abu Ein died yesterday morning before 11:00am from “a blockage of the coronary artery,” where “the bleeding could have been caused by stress,” according to the preliminary findings of the autopsy the Israeli Ministry of Health said this morning. “The poor condition of the deceased’s heart caused him to be more sensitive to stress,” the report continued.
      .....“The Israelis asked to have one of their doctors present and we agreed so that there is no doubt about the findings and there can be a complete condemnation,” said al-Sheikh, adding, ”The cause of death was because the soldiers beat him, fired intensive teargas and prevented Abu Ein from reaching the hospital on time. There is no other narrative.”

      This assertion is so political biased - the truth isn't important, foremost is the Palestinian narrative. Why haven't other protesters died before in similar circumstances? Palestinian protesters regularly put the IDF to the test with their routine confrontational demonstrations that deliberately aim to generate violence to implicate Israel.

      Jordanian officials under the dictates of their leaders no doubt have said "he was assassinated by Israeli occupation forces" with nothing whatsoever to prove this. Their aim is simply to incite.

      Israeli officials have refused to sign the completed autopsy report, stymieing the dissemination of the results

      How ridiculous is this statement - Israel would sign an autopsy report that is based on lies and pro-Palestinian propagandist claims!

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • Following a joint autopsy, the Palestinian doctor concluded that he died as a result of a blow to his body, not of natural causes. The Israeli doctor said the 55-year-old’s death was caused by the blockage of a coronary artery.

      There you have it, one doctor gives an explanation for cause of death, while the other gives an interpretation that does not explain the death, but satisfies the pro-Palestinian propagandists and contributes to the inflaming of tensions.
      Watching this video you see how one of the Palestinians strikes at the soldiers with his flag pole 
      link to theguardian.com Israeli soldiers naturally respond to a clear act of assault.

    • Certainly his trial did not meet the accepted standards of reliability or justice in civilized societies.

      And the Palestinians set the standard?
      link to reuters.com
      Is this what we would get from implementing a Palestinian state? I fear yes. While Israel is repeatedly vilified there is an unattended lack of awareness of the human rights violations committed by the Palestinian government authorities.
      Refer 'Hidden Injustices -A Review of PA & Hamas Human Rights Violations in the West Bank and Gaza' at http://jij.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Hidden-Injustices.-Human-Rights-in-the-PA-7.4.13.pdf

  • For the first time Israel's high court wrestles with legality of punitive home demolitions
    • Sorry to inform you blah chick but there is a war going on at the moment in Israel-Palestine.Just as collective punishment was used by the Allies to successfully end WWII Israel is being forced to resort to the same tactics.

      Rabbi Avihai Ronsky, the former Chief Rabbi of the IDF, wrote (link to tikkun.org) that both the Hebrew bible and modern history give precedents for the proper way to deal with the Palestinians.

      And what are these precedents? The first is a biblical massacre from Genesis 34 in which Jacob’s sons, Simon and Levi, killed every male civilian in a tribal city after a local warlord raped their sister and then demanded her hand in marriage. The second precedent comes from World War II, per Ronsky’s words:

      “Only with a sharp blow will we make it clear that Jewish blood is not cheap. [Just as with the massacre in Genesis 34], the same goes today: only by dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which caused millions of deaths, did the U.S. bring an end to World War II.”

      Indiscriminate collective punishment should be the last resort if the Palestinians decide to return to the violent strategies of their initifadas. In the meantime punishing those who raise and nurture and give succor to murderers should be strongly discouraged.

    • On numerous occasions they readily condemned the slayings to the press

      Total rubbish!

      Mother of Uday Abu-Jamal recited a chilling poem just a day after Jerusalem synagogue massacre: 'I brought up my children on Islam.'

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188190#.VIJkr8kr3Ws

      The Abu Jammal family got in the act, celebrating the "martyrdom" of their relatives - before police swooped in and arrested several of them....

      Refer http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187615#.VGvCdPmUdas

      Israel has very little choice when it comes to stemming the tide of violence from Palestinians, who just want to stir up trouble. Those who are in complicit in murderous crimes should be held to account as they are in any democratic society; signs of weakness by the Israeli authorities are seen as victories, encouraging others to commit similar dastardly acts.

  • Living in the aftermath: Palestinians in Gaza struggle under the siege to rebuild
  • It's always been a holy war
    • It's all too convenient to dismiss what people have to say because of who they happen to be. It's a giant cop out to cut the discussion by resorting to accusations of islamophobia.

      Let me say that I could well post a heap of suras from the koran that abrogate those posted by jd65. Also I don't need the expositions of Robert Spencer to make my point - there are many others who are prepared to call a spade a spade and not be suffocated by inane political correctness.
      The mere foundation of the state of Israel puts the Islamic holy book, Qur'an, in doubt. Despite the fact the God is supposed to be angry with them, the Jews have their own state. At this point a conflict appears – a conflict between reality and sort of an illusion stated by the Qur'an.
      link to jewishmag.com
      The state of Israel came into this like a slap on the face of every Muslim. Here were the Jews, a despised people whom God had abandoned, whose very existence had depended so heavily on the toleration extended to them by Muslim states, turning up in force and receiving at the hands of the infidel powers a land that had been part of the Islamic umma for almost fourteen hundred years

    • Is it so hard to answer this question civilly:

      Annie, would you say that the murder of the 4 rabbis can be justified?

      instead of getting into the usual bullying tactics deployed with defenders of Israel?

    • I certainly know what the mother of one of the killers was thinking as she publicly celebrates her son being a shahid.

    • Who started this holy war? By how many centuries does Islam with its in-built antipathy toward dhimmis (Christians and Jews) predate Zionism?

      This discussion which should openly include full consideration of Islam manages somehow to avoid any direct mention of it!

  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • @Robbins -
      "Since Iraq would keep the Jews' property, Sharrett worried that the first immigrants from Iraq might expect the Israeli government to compensate them for their losses - leaving Israel with the double burden of compensating nonrepatriated Palestinians and Iraqi immigrants"

      Jewish Property Claims Against Arab Countries by Michael R. Fischbach (Columbia University Press) 13 Aug 2013 

    • @horizontal, I'm happy to give you $20 to leave the planet.

    • Tell me Seafoid how much financial compensation did those Jews receive who were forced to leave their property in Arab countries because of persecution?

  • Debunking Netanyahu's propaganda on Jerusalem
    • Robbins, you only nitpicked my last comment (everything else I said is irrefutable?) and now an Israel Police investigation is saying that the two Jewish men were ambushed by four Palestinian teens - read http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.628545

    • Inflammatory propaganda - you have to be kidding!
      To ignore the primary role that Islam plays in the whole picture is like designing a vehicle without considering what terrain it has to traverse.
      Jerusalem is at the center of incitement, orchestrated by the head of the global jihad's branch in Israel, Sheikh Raed Salah. For years, he has been trying to inflame the situation. For years, he has been inciting under the slogan "Al-Aqsa is in danger." This is a historic slogan. The copyright belongs to the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Salah adopted it. Read 
      link to ynetnews.com
      , a Yemenite Jew, who writes about Salah, would take great exception to Kurz's blanket insinuation that Israel is based on a system inherently racist to nonwhite Jews.
      And another racist attack against Jews in Jerusalem only a few days ago - http://www.theage.com.au/world/two-arab-suspects-arrested-in-fresh-jerusalem-knife-attack-20141125-11t2z7.html
       

  • Hate attacks in Jerusalem and Israel include one by settler girls
    • Palestinian taxi driver avoids driving into religious Jewish areas

      Over the past month, five Israelis and a foreign visitor have been deliberately run over and killed or stabbed to death by Palestinians. Thankfully now there might be less chance of some renegade Palestinian driving his vehicle maliciously into innocent passers-by in the street.

  • Revisiting 'Graveyard of Numbers': Israel refuses to return remains of Palestinian militants as a punitive measure
    • And Eljay makes his 7746th posting repeating the exact same terms as he always does - oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and zio-supremacist, omitting the word 'ethnic-cleansing' this time through some inexplicable oversight.

      True to form Eljay makes remarks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    • In previous cases, following the police investigation, the bodies of perpetrators were returned to families who held funerals for them, some of which spiraled into violent Palestinian protests. Israel has invariably abided by due procedures, while its enemies have time and time again pursued cruel, hateful measures.
      Hamas has always shouted out that it will reek havoc on Israel when its own militants get killed. Hamas continues to celebrate the brutal murder of innocent people, making it plainly evident that Israel has no-one with whom to negotiate. Israel needs to explore new ways to deal with the current wave of attacks. No nation in the world can allow such heinous acts like those perpetrated in Jerusalem this week to sway its resolve.

    • Israel may be alone in using the dead to actively try to punish the living

      What rubbish! You so conveniently block out of your mind what doesn't suit your vanilla agenda. Israel was held to ransom over the bodies of three of their soldiers in 2004, having to barter hundreds of convicted terrorists in exchange. What a punishment for the living is that, for the families of those who see those who murdered their loved ones being freed.
      Israel perfectly justified in not released the bodies of the murderers - http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/israel-not-releasing-terrorist-bodies/2014/11/19/

      As one commenter so aptly said, "The graves are turned into shrines. It encourages more terror."

      Israel has to find ways to give less and less opportunity to potential murderers to gain from their evil acts.

  • This is not yet an intifada, Palestinians say
    • Kay24, you can't tell the difference between people who are killed whilst protesting violently or firing rockets or planning terrorist attacks and innocent people who are killed in cold blood!
      Are Palestinians going to screw up good and proper now by giving Israel every good reason to clamp down heavily on them?

  • Running for Gaza: Linda Wafi's marathon journey for Palestinian children
    • there was a big fear in 2006 after Hamas was elected that they would force women to wear hijabs, Those fears, she said, were not realized

      However UK courts accepted the evidence on oath, supported by expert evidence, that the fears of women in Gaza were sufficiently real to grant asylum to women from Gaza on the basis of misogynistic actions by Hamas against women - refer http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/22/asylum-seeker/

      Hamas has begun enforcing some Islamic standards of dress for women in  the PA; women must don headscarves in order to enter government ministry buildings.
      Honor killings are a problem in the PA; the Hamas government has not moved to stop these killings and may have set up infrastructures which participate in them. etc etc
      Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories

      There was a Mondoweiss response to the Beinart piece with a rather pathetic rejoinder to Beinart's assertions:

      Beinart should understand that the struggle for “individual liberty and accountable government” will only fully take place once Palestinian rights are truly honored and Palestinians themselves can take full agency over their lives and the society they want to build

      If a people oppress and victimise their own people then the expectations cannot be very high that will treat them and others very differently if and when the barriers come down. Where's the sense of mutual sympathy and concern for one's fellow man? It seems like Islamic political dogma is much more important in Gaza than human compassion.

      So Robbins it seems that your blindspot grows bigger by the minute. Maybe you could pick up a cheap copy from one of your Hamas contacts of the Babes Of Hamas’ pinup calendar that has apparently been selling rather poorly.

      From Operation Protective Edge it seems that women and children in Gaza are most useful to Hamas as human shields than they are for other purposes.

    • The Pro-Palestinian Left's Hamas Blindspot - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/08/the-pro-palestinian-left-s-hamas-blindspot.html

    • Try doing this in Gaza itself which is a cesspit of misogyny 

      link to theguardian.com

  • Sea change down under: Ex-Australian Foreign Minister announces himself a 'Friend of Palestine'
    • Shingo you can't have it both ways. The Australian published the original guff from Carr about his Arabophilic epiphany. To advance full and open discussion the reply from Magid was printed.
      Seems like you managed to circumvent the paywall very easily as most people can do.
      Murdoch does a much fairer job than Fairfax who have adopted a biased left wing perspective where they censor opinions that don't agree with their soggy politically correct agenda.

    • Typical stupid tactic of demeaning the person as a way of avoiding having to deal with the discussion points.

    • Thank you Straightline for a proper perspective.

    • @lysias you have started your quote with "The crisis came in the last months of Gillard’s term" after starting off your remarks with "That was widely speculated at the time of Rudd’s ouster in 2010"

      The problem with your false conjecturing is that Gillard's term ended in June 2013. The Palestinian recognition question only came up prior to the end of her term.

      The decision process in the Labour Party as to who was best to lead was based on other considerations - to blame it on a 'Zionist' conspiracy is the usual hysterical claptrap that comes from people who want to blame the Jews for everything (i.e. anti-semites).

    • @annie, for your information here 'The Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust' at

      link to bbc.com

      This reference to 'Muslim supporters of Israel' is also interesting
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      i wonder if she’s even been to palestine!

      I wonder if you Annie have been to Israel.

      Ahmed is opposed to the occupation of the Palestinian Territories, but admits that she doesn't know how Israel can relinquish control over a region hosting "a virulent Jihadist ideology" and leaders calling for her own destruction.

    • @lysias, your source for "largely as a result of Zionist pressure"?

    • When we see more people of the calibre of Dr Qanta Ahmed, standing up to defend Israel will the tide turn.

      Dr Qanta Ahmed is a deeply committed Muslim who speaks up strongly for Jews and Israel and denounces Islamist extremism. The courageous New York physician and academic will be in Australia this month for Project Rozana, an initiative in which partners, including Hadassah Australia, are trying to improve medical services for Palestinians.

      She says that she has been called “a Zionist in the guise of a Muslim”. I look forward to hearing her constructive words instead of the divisive crap that Bob Carr's delivers.

      Read about her http://www.jewishnews.net.au/a-muslim-voice-for-israel/38389

    • @John Salisbury, start writing your letter to The Australian newspaper which has just published a resounding rebuff from the proprietor of The Australian Jewish News to Bob Carr's ludicrous epiphany.

      "Hamas has shown considerable technical skill building rockets, missiles  and tunnels but these skills should be harnessed to improve its people’s lives. Instead of encouraging constructive dialogue, Carr plays to the victim mentality. Therein lies the difference between those who welcome an integration of Palestinian and Israeli economies to the benefit all rather than the destructive negativity of Carr. Sadly, he is no friend of Israel or of the Palestinians"

      Read http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/bob-carr-is-no-friend-of-israel-or-palestinians/story-e6frg6zo-1227119909004

  • Root cause of current crisis is Israeli government effort since 1967 to transform East Jerusalem into a Jewish city
    • For some perspective about terminology refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Jews, where we see the term   denoting Jews living in the Arab World.

      Some Jews might have referred to themselves as ‘Arab’, but 'others may regard 'Arab Jews' as simply shorthand for 'Jews of Arab lands' or 'Arabic-speaking Jews', and identify as 'Arab Jews' while definitely not regarding themselves as 'Arabs'.

      “The principal argument against the term "Arab Jews",[by whom?] particularly among Jewish communities descended from Arab lands, is that Jews constitute a diaspora and ethnic group, not simply a "religious" group, and that use of the term "Arab" suggests otherwise.”

    • Jerusalem is a holy city and an arab city, in palestine. it was built by arabs, muslim arabs, christian arabs and jewish arabs. it is in the middle east, not europe

      Robbins is waving her black Arabist flag - the way she speaks she could be representing ISIS.

      Hypocritically she is not exhorting Turkey to give Smyrna back to the Greeks and saying nothing about muslim arabs, muslim turks, muslim africans who are taking over Europe in their mushrooming anti-Western enclaves.

      Jerusalem must not be a divided city. Under Arab domination the different religions who live there have never been free to practice their religions as they are today.

      And by the way there are Arab Jews in this world but no Jewish Arabs.

    • Ignorance is bliss for RobertB.

      The Temple Mount compound, which holds the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque, is considered the third holiest site in Islam but the holiest site to Jews as the site of the two ancient Jewish temples.

      By law, under arrangements Israel instituted after capturing the area in 1967, Jews are not allowed to pray at the site.

      Israel has done an enormous amount to appease Muslims who go into apoplexy whenever Jews start asking for their democratic religious rights.

  • New Amnesty International report accuses Israel of committing war crimes in Gaza
    • Get with it Seafoid - Hamas defeated Israel in the last Gaza war, aided and abetted by the anti-Israel media, their leftie lackeys, the power mongering of the OIC and politically compromised, cowardly governments (mostly European) compelled to placate burgeoning Muslim populations in their midst.

      what’ll happen when the IDF loses a war

      Hamas boasted the victory of the "resistance" — muqawwamah. The first to congratulate the organization was senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, who on Aug. 5 released a recorded message. Other Hamas spokespersons — Khalil al-Hayya, whose son was killed during the operation and Sami Abu Zuhri who, throughout the fighting, gave  interviews to the media proclaiming that Israel was defeated by the resistance. Once again, they claimed, the resistance succeeded in defending the Palestinian people.

    • Amnesty International's sham report accuses Israel of wrongdoing while producing no concrete evidence. The report ignores documented war crimes perpetrated by Hamas, including the use of human shields, as well as firing at Israeli civilian population centers from within schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian neighborhoods in Gaza. The report does not mention the word "terror" in relation to Hamas or other armed Palestinian groups, nor does it mention tunnels built by Hamas to infiltrate Israel and perpetrate terror attacks.

      Meanwhile in Israel, investigations are currently underway by several bodies, inside and outside the IDF, into over 90 incidents. In comparison to Israel's probing procedures, Amnesty's report was written by local "field workers" with no independent verification of their claims.

      The Israeli foreign ministry has questioned why the fieldworkers who conducted the interviews were not named in the report, and their credibility  “never questioned.” It said “extreme bias” was displayed in Amnesty’s recommendations.

      “Hamas is not mentioned, as if the group has no responsibility for the bloodshed; meanwhile, the report dismisses Israel’s security challenges,” the statement said.

      All very typical and predictable. In typical fashion Israel found guilt with no proper evidence and no mention of Israel's defence. Refer http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/PressRoom/2014/Pages/Response-to-Amnesty-report-on-Gaza-conflict-5-Nov-2014.aspx 

  • Shaking the campus from the US to Palestine
    • Roha, the Jewish people never gave up hope that they would one day return to their home in Israel. For a long time, this desire for a homeland was merely a vague hope without any concrete plans to achieve it. In the late 1800s Zionism was born, a political movement dedicated to the creation of a Jewish state. A state of Israel was seen as a necessary refuge for Jewish victims of oppression, especially in Russia, where pogroms were decimating the Jewish population.  This has nothing to do with colonialism.

      Zionism was primarily a political movement. The early Zionists sought to establish a secular state of Israel, recognized by the world, through purely legal means. The Arabs living in Palestine vigorously opposed Jewish immigration into the territory and the idea of a Jewish homeland. There were many riots in the territory, and the British came to believe that the conflicting claims were irreconcilable. In 1937, the British recommended partition of the territory.

      To suggest that the Zionists clearly intended from the start to dominate and/or expel the Arabs is absolute baloney – the Zionist were only responding to the way in which the Palestinian Arabs reacted to their growing presence.

      The British were unable to come up with a solution that would satisfy either Arabs or Jews, so in 1947, they handed the problem to the United Nations, which developed a partition plan dividing Palestine into Jewish and Arab portions. The plan was ratified in November 1947. The mandate expired on May 14, 1948 and British troops pulled out of Palestine. The Jews of Palestine promptly declared the creation of the State of Israel, which was recognized by several Western countries immediately.

      However, the surrounding Arab nations did not recognize the validity of Israel and invaded, claiming that they were filling a vacuum created by the termination of the mandate and the absence of any legal authority to replace it. The Arabs fought a year-long war to drive the Jews out. Miraculously, the new state of Israel won this war, as well as every subsequent Arab-Israeli war, gaining territory every time the Arabs attacked them, territory required to secure the country from repeat attacks.

    • Horizontal seems very keen to disseminate myths.
      Myth no 1:

      for a people who had been living more or less peacefully with the Jews for a thousand years

      Horizontal claims this is "an understandable position" and I would agree for people who don't have the true welfare of the country at heart and are only acting on the basis of fear and xenophobia, hence it is not a justifiable one. It is predicated on the anti-democratic dhimmi principle that has operated in Arab society for centuries. This statement by Horizontal 

      didn’t want British-enabled immigration to artificially swell those numbers to where the native Palestinian Arab population would be in the minority

      reinforces what I am saying about the narrow-minded Arab mentality that is saying it is alright for some Jews to be living amongst us but we have to dominate them.

      Myth no 2:

      The Peel Commission advocated a binational state and consequently it was very logical that

      Ben-Gurion walked away from a British-brokered proposal in 1939

      This was a dreadful proposition for the Jews who at that time were facing very severe restrictions on immigration - a death sentence potentially for European Jewry.

    • So the campaign is all about

      Resisting Racism and Colonialism from the US to Palestine

      OK, please explain why the sole focus is on Palestine. The Zionists who first began arriving in numbers during the 19th century could hardly be classified as colonialists as they paid legitimately for barren land, usually owned by absentee landlords, who did not nothing except luxuriate in Istanbul, Cairo or Damascus.

      Why are these people not insisting that white Australians return Australia to their rightful owners the aborigines and white Americans return the land they stole from the the Red Indians? Surely the crime of white racists coming to these countries and raping, murdering, pillaging and plundering the local inhabitants and then relegating them to a subservient existence is far, far worse than what allegedly happened in Palestine.

      In Palestine the native inhabitants were never willing to entertain a significant Jewish presence and they had their Arab brethren in the neighboring countries to come and bat for them to ensure the conflict would never get resolved other than in their favour. They have never been prepared to accept anything less.

  • B'Tselem video: Israeli soldiers blindfold and detain 11 year old disabled child
    • @robbins should know that the motive has always been there. Notwithstanding Israel's actions, the unwillingness of the Palestinians to accept a growing Jewish presence predate 1967 by over hundred years.

  • Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel's mainstream critics
    • @Walid, Mooser, eljay, Rich et al - I urge you to post the web links that testify that you have ever spoken out publicly against anti-semitism.

    • @Walid, amazing how just a few words can convey so much prejudice. Do you have the same feelings about racism against blacks, misogyny and homophobia?
      The act of being anti-semitic should be just as heavily criticised as it was when people had more sympathy for Jews. Today the left wing pendulum has swung into new territory and the fashion is be anti-America and anti-Islamophobia; concern about anti-semitism has been relegated in importance, but that says nothing to deny the sorry fact that its prevalence has not receded.
      We know all too well that anti-semitism has been around for a long time and those who have their political barrows to push don't like it to get in the way of their mealy-mouthed agendas.

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • @Philip, you don't want to be a party pooper - is that why you won't tell us the whole story?
      1. Members of the UK government, which backs a two-state solution, completely abstained from the vote.
      2. The vote is non-binding and it was initiated by a backbencher from the opposition Labour party.
      3. The UK House of Commons has 650 MPs of which only 286 actually voted in this debate, 364 did not.
      4. A number of high-profile figures were reportedly uncomfortable with the motion and did not show up.  Neither PM David Cameron nor Labour leader Ed Miliband was in the Commons chamber for the start of the debate.
      5. By ignoring this debate and abstaining, rather than voting against it en masse, the UK government effectively handed a symbolic, tokenistic victory to the opposition, and a victory for Palestinian beligerence and terrorism by upping the anti rather striving for a negotiated, secure settlement with Israel.

  • Academia, the 'battleground' in the Palestinian solidarity movement
    • What about the largest Palestinian university by admissions Birzeit University which has instituted apartheid against Jews on its campus? (refer Amira Haas controversy reported in Haaretz).
      This reveals gross Palestinian hypocrisy. Carrying out boycotts when your own behavior is much worse.
      In the same way as Rabbi Lewis is being vilified there is total blindness to the widespread hate speech coming from imams that can be found all over YouTube.

  • Fineman and Robinson blast Sam Harris and HBO for promoting ignorance about Islam
    • Please Robbins do we have anybody that corroborates Wasserstein's view besides Misterioso who just reproduces Wasserstein's whole paper without thought (a link would have sufficed)?

      Have a listen to Wasserstein to understand exactly what he means when he says that Islam saved the Jews.

      Living as dhimmis, paying the jizya and succumbing to ceaseless subjugation and humiliation the lot of a Jew in the Muslim world was at least better than that in Christendom. At least there was some hope. Wow!

      That is hardly cause to flatter Islam, prepared to let Jews and Christianity survive, people of the Book, so generously (sic) giving them three fantastic options - conversion, subjugation or death.

    • Professor Andrew Bostom gave two interviews which introduced the factual basis for the obscenity-laden Maher-Affleck kerfuffle on HBO which has been almost entirely obscured. Read
      link to andrewbostom.org the interviews can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niAf4BCR3Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHE06voubA

      Bostom's reaction to this guff from Misterioso:
      "This is the sheerest idiocy. Just look at historical Palestine where the devastating Islamic conquests effectively wiped Judaism--and Christianity-- out, other than vestigial remnant communities of brutally subjugated dhimmis.

      "Moreover, look at the basic demography of Jews over this 600 year period from the mid 13th through the mid 19th centuries. In the md 13th 90% of the world's Jews lived in Islamdom, and 10% in Christendom; by the mid 19th century those numbers were reversed due to ..what.."Islamic salvation?"

      So Professor Wasserstein's views seem to be at odds with those experts who say that Jews experienced periods where they flourished under Islam, but nonetheless identify periods of great persecution, forced conversion from Judaism and Christianity to Islam, and above all, the imposition of the dhimmistatus of forced humiliation and oppression of non-Muslims. Jews were wiped out from the Arabian peninsula. Christians were wiped out from North Africa. It would seem at times more accurate to say that Judaism survived despite, not because, of Islam.

      The Wasserstein lectures seem to be essentially little better than propaganda to make Islam look good.

  • Abbas calls on UN Security Council to end the occupation
  • Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?)
    • There is no moral equivalence or valid comparison between the actions of Islamic extremists in their ever-increasing numbers and those of Israelis defending their very existence.
      The dolly arguments here are like the ones we hear complaining that our Australian government should stop Jews who go to fight for the IDF as well as Muslims who join ISIS.
      The falsity of this argument is that the Jews who support Israel don't threaten the very fabric of our western society in the way that radical Muslims do.
      Let's keep a proper perspective and not get distracted by those who are pushing their anti-western, anti-zionist agendas.
      The misguided followers of Islam are responsible for screwing up our world with their supremacist ideologies and unfortunately with the complicity of their deluded supporters they keep on finding excuses for shifting the blame from themselves on to others.

  • Russell Tribunal finds evidence of incitement to genocide, crimes against humanity in Gaza
    • Looking at the members of the Russell Tribunal it is obvious that to qualify to be on this panel the only requirement is that you are a confirmed Israel basher. The Russell Tribunal is clearly nothing more than a kangaroo court.

  • Israel carries out extrajudicial killing of two Palestinians suspected in Israeli youths kidnapping
    • A bunch of MW apologists speak out in defence of two Palestinians who were armed to the teeth with lethal weaponry, suggesting that the IDF should have pussy-footed around and sent them an invitation to come out from their hiding place instead of killing them. No security force anywhere in the world would spare any effort to take out terrorists who clearly in this case had one thing only on their minds.

  • Russell Tribunal on Palestine: Delegitmisation of Israeli apartheid has to happen in the courtroom too
    • @MRW, I agree with the opinion expressed in the story I mentioned - therefore it is MY opinion.
      Nothing can refute the fact that when a pro-Palestinian activist makes anti-Zionist mieage over the memories of massacred Jews their actions reek of vile anti-semitism. Just because one deluded Israeli refusenik backs her position doesn't give her any justification to exploit the memory of the dead, who would turn in their graves at the thought of her disgusting opportunism.

    • About Ewa Jasiewicz:
      Jasiewicz chose to daub anti-Israel graffiti on the walls of the Warsaw Ghetto, which is effectively a huge Jewish cemetery where over 100,000 Jews died in the Ghetto between its construction in 1940 and its liquidation in 1943, mainly from starvation, disease and random killings by their German guards. It is not a place to daub political graffiti, much less anti-Israel graffiti. If Israel had existed in the 1930s, it is possible that many of the Jews who died in the Ghetto, or were taken from there to their deaths, would have been saved.  I also don’t know if Jasiewicz thought about the use of boycotts as a discriminatory weapon by the Nazis to separate Jews from wider society, before exterminating them; however she did think about boycotts of Israel, because she helped hold a Palestinian flag marked with ‘BDS’ (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) against the Ghetto wall. If anti-Zionists like Jasiewicz want to avoid being accused of antisemitism, she should not have adopted antisemites’ lowest form of attack, by desecrating a Jewish cemetery.
      link to blog.thecst.org.uk

  • Hamas is just as bad as ISIS and worse than Boko Haram -- Israeli government propaganda
    • Robbins, here is one other media outlet that corroborated what MEMRI had reported
      link to telegraph.co.uk

      Most media who report from Gaza rely on sources that are compromised. They don't speak Arabic and their stringers always have to watch over their shoulders for the Hamas police who control what they can say -
      refer link to washingtontimes.com

      Lastly unlike yours my comment is right on topic as it exposes the lies that Mondoweiss writers are happy to propagate in defence of their beloved Hamas.

    • @amigo, please spare us the same old obfuscations and distractions.
      We are not discussing the charter of one of Israel's political parties but you have to go there - like a moth that is attracted to the light.

      Not one refutation of my assertions about the bellicose intentions of Hamas - just the usual bluff and off topic hot air that is bread and butter Mondoweiss.

    • Deger happily ignores whatever refutes her line of argument. She overlooks key parts of Meshal’s speech on 7 December 2012 made after he had returned to the Gaza Strip to mark Hamas’ 25th anniversary:

      “First of all, Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it. Second, Palestine was, continues to be, and will remain Arab and Islamic. It belongs to the Arab and the Islamic world. Palestine belongs to us and to nobody else.”

      Refer link to algemeiner.com

  • Achieving a hudna and ten years of calm in Israel/Palestine
    • @talknic,  apparently is unable to hold any kind of civil discussion that stays on topic. I was talking here about the familiar deceit of Hamas in pushing for a hudna.
      All he can do is wind back the same recording in his one track brainand play back those boring, irrelevant remarks of his over and over again.

    • DaBakr is bang on.
      We've heard all this hudna crap before. Way back in 2003 we had a comprehensive article discussing this Hamas ruse of the hudna.

      "Hudna has a distinct meaning to Islamic fundamentalists, well-versed in their history: The prophet Mohammad struck a legendary, ten-year hudna with the Quraysh tribe that controlled Mecca in the seventh century. Over the following two years, Mohammad rearmed and took advantage of a minor Quraysh infraction to break the hudna and launch the full conquest of Mecca, the holiest city in Islam."

      "As for Hamas, they have proven time and again their commitment to a tactical hudna — replenishing their strength during the quiet periods, then returning with increased deadliness. As recently documented by
      The Washington Institute, Hamas agreed to no less than ten ceasefires in the past ten years, and after every single one returned freshly armed for terror. Hundreds of Israeli citizens have paid for these hudnas with their lives."

      Read link to honestreporting.com

  • Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants
    • According to Shingo left wing fascists are fine.

    • While MW pettifoggs Israel deals with existential threats.
      While Israel resorts to rough tactics to fight an enemy, that enemy practises truly brutal methods with gays by persecuting them relentlessly.
      The Israeli objectors have been appropriately condemned by Israeli Defence Minister Ya'alon at
      link to jpost.com.
      Labor Party chairman and opposition chief Isaac Herzog put it aptly:
      “I’m not saying that mistakes aren’t made. There may have been [as mentioned in the letter], and Israel’s military history is replete with them. But there are ways to lodge protests and to bring these issues to the attention of the relevant authorities. I also think that there are ways to bring about change whenever one has a sense that an injustice has been committed, but not by encouraging the refusal of orders or launching a global media campaign that is damaging, the price for which will be paid by us, the citizens of Israel.”
      And so we see it, the obsessed delegitimizers like MW drooling at this fresh opportunity to slander Israel, which they continue to do to the neglect of the bigger picture.

    • How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?
      Yes, it sounds rough but the alternative is rougher.

  • Occupied Religion
    • While Jews get back to living and making Israel a more vibrant, energetic, thriving and productive nation the Palestinians start planning the next assault, whether it be by war or lawfare.
      The Palestinians deserve all the difficulties they face because of their unwillingness to accept that the Jews have established the state of Israel with the imprimatur of the United Nations.
      And Marc thanks for telling us about the politicising by the YWCA - another Christian organisation that is appeasing its Islamic confederates and remains silent about the fate of Christians in the Arab world. Tota hypocrites.

  • 'Ads Against Apartheid' is going national
    • How many innocent children got killed when the Allies were fighting the Nazis? Hamas in their fascist theocratic anti-semitic state are the new Nazis. allbeit fortunately without the same firepower. The blockade by Israel and Egypt has at least prevented Hamas from inflicting worse damage on Israel. Their lack of ability to succeed in their aims does not disguise their malevolent intentions.
      All we hear from Kay24 are bleatings about the unfortunate deaths of innocent civilians and of course he picks on children because their deaths tug on the heart strings the strongest.
      If he was really concerned about the children per se he would be exhorting their Hamas leaders to stop firing rockets, one of which has now killed a 4 year old Israeli boy.
      If he was truly sincere with his concerns about the fate of innocent children he would be speaking out the loudest about what has been happening to the much larger number of children dying in Syria.
      But no. the I/P conflict is where he devotes all his energies because he is a confirmed Israel basher.

    • We don't want this ugly, divisive propaganda in Australia and when it appears it gets eradicated and the Israel bashers lament
      link to facebook.com

  • In Photos: Thousands pack Rafah streets for funeral of top Hamas commanders
  • Air strikes and rocket fire resume as Gaza negotiations collapse
    • In the same way as you don't grant somebody a driver's licence until they pass an exam or you don't allow somebody to purchase a gun unless they meet certain criteria.

    • If the way that the Hamas negotiators are operating in the current round of talks in Cairo is any indication it is clearly apparent why any efforts for a peaceful resolution between Israelis and Palestinians have always failed -   their position remains belligerent and uncompromising.  Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel's security into total jeopardy.

  • Six arrested in civil disobedience at Federation offices in Philly
    • @mooser, there is no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. As long as the Palestinians allow Hamas to speak and act on their behalf they sacrifice their right to be treated as equals in this conflict. The Palestinians have to find new leaders who are not entrenched in inconsolable anti-Zionist dogma.

  • Who broke the ceasefire? Obama blames Hamas against the evidence
    • UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon speaking on behalf of the UN (that generally gives Israel a very rough ride) condemned "in the strongest terms" the reported ceasefire violation by Hamas and had demanded that an Israeli soldier that was thought to have been captured in Gaza be released immediately.

      The Secretary-General condemned in the strongest terms, the reported violation by Hamas of the mutually agreed humanitarian ceasefire straight after it had commenced. He was shocked and profoundly disappointed by these developments, remarked Ban's spokesman in an official statement.

      Seems like Obama's team is in good company on its call of who defied the ceasefire truce.
      Israel has no choice but to totally destroy Hamas' military arsenal.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20
    • @shingo, does that make you elated? Obviously you are more interested in attacking Israel than peace.
      Hamas practices taqqiya galore.

    • Here we have Shingo, Mooser Djinn - all prime exhibits of the anti-Zionist ethos.
      MW comes to the party with censorship cum bluster as my comments were circumcised.
      Dismissing information with ridicule makes a great mockery of the anti-Israel cause.

    • Trapped in Gaza: How Hamas punishes reporters for the truth

      as reported in The Australian newspaper's premium content: link to theaustralian.com.au

      HAMAS is not just targeting Israel­i civilians, threatening Gaz­ans, executing alleged collaborators in large number and using civilians as humans shields.

      It has another terror tactic: intim­idating foreign journalists.

      "Journalists who have taken pictures of Hamas operatives preparing to shoot rockets from civilian structures and/or fighting in civilian clothing have been threatened by Hamas operatives and had their equipment confiscated.

      Reporter Peter Stefanovic, of the Nine Network’s news, stationed in Gaza, received a surge of abuse and threats when he tweeted that he had seen rockets fired into Israel from near his hotel, in a civilian area.

      Pro-Hamas tweeters said Stefanovic was 'passing and fabricating information to Israel ... from GAZA'. Another account wrote: 'You are
      a cretin. Are you working for the IDF' and 'in WWII spies got shot'.

      ..con't..

  • Video: Mark Regev, deciphered
  • To my Jewish friend (you know who you are)
  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
    • @qualtrough, your remarks are pure nonsense. Given the nature of the international community to hypocritically harp about every single thing that Israel does, you see Israel taking every conceivable step to prevent the killing of innocent civilians. Israel doesn't need to give the pro-Palestinian media any help.

    • @shingo, totally absurd comment. Are the IDF soldiers hiding in schools, hospitals and homes like the Hamas perfidists?

    • @robbins, what do you bloody well expect? Should they be handing out lollies and shouting Allah Akbar.These soldiers are bonding in preparation for a dangerous ground assault against a insidious enemy. Baruch Hashem to these soldiers! May they celebrate again when they put paid to the Hamas terrorists who want to destroy them. It is them or us!

  • 10 Years after the Advisory Opinion on the Wall in Occupied Palestine: Time for Concrete Action
    • Richard D. Heideman, International Human Rights Attorney and author of
      "The Hague Odyssey" spoke at a National Press Club book launch of his landmark book.link to youtube.com

      When Israel constructed a terrorism prevention security fence in an attempt to stop suicide bombings and other violent acts, the UN General Assembly - defying its own charter - requested an advisory opinion about the security fence from the International Court of Justice at the Hague. Israel's opponents question the legality of the barrier, with some even calling it an “apartheid wall.”

      In The Hague Odyssey, Richard D. Heideman, noted international attorney and advocate for victims of terrorism, challenges the Court and presents a compelling and insightful defense of the absolute right and obligation of the State of Israel, as every other nation, to protect her citizens.

      Given what is happening now and could well happen in the immediate future I imagine most Israelis would be very grateful to have a security barrier in place.

      Read more at link to thehagueodyssey.com

  • 'Operation Protective Edge' begins: Gaza rocked by Israeli airstrikes as Palestinian militants shoot at Jerusalem
    • ended in a truce that Israel has repeatedly violated

      Since January 1, 2013 there have been over 140 rockets fired into Israel so it is totally ridiculous to be just drawing attention to alleged Israeli violations. Israel tends to respond to situations that are brought upon it i.e. it retaliates against attacks stemming from Gaza rather than initiating attacks without a valid reason.
      Hamas with all its vitriol and hatespeak deserves all the punishment it gets. Blame for any harm to the citizens of Gaza rests with its bellicose leaders.

  • Fear of anti-semitism accusation did not stop Presbyterians from witnessing occupation
    • How many of these Presbyterian dissemblers will personally sacrifice using Caterpillar tractors on their private property, Motorola-based mobile phones devices or HP computer products and printers?
      This only goes to highlight that BDS is a political strategy based on hypocrisy and insincerity.
      A church spokeswoman estimated the value of Presbyterian holdings in the companies at $21m. Wow, this is really going to slug Israel economically! It will make absolutely NO difference.
      Has the Presbyterian Church made any resolutions to condemn the widespread demise of Christian communities across the Arab world? Do they pay anything more than lipservice to the ruthless, slaughtering of Christian minorities by ISIS, which is sacking churches, dispatching suicide-bombers to market-places, and has no regard for civilian casualties. Do they bother with the horrendous persecution of Christians in Pakistan or are they more concerned not to ruffle the feathers of their Muslim friends whom they have lured into inter-faith charades?
      This disproportionate attitude, reeking of anti-semitism, reflects a campaign aiming to delegitimise the Jewish state - a campaign which has its priorities totally skew-whiff.

  • Conflicted coverage shows: 'NYT' is now disputed territory
    • You guys are so keen to diminish the spectre of European anti-semitism because you don't want to put your Muslim mates offside.
      You complain about what the NYT doesn't say but you are far worse, covering up and lying about the imminent threats to European Jewry from a deadly cocktail of left wing Muslim inspired and traditional right-wing anti-semitism.
      Jewish Agency head Natan Sharansky expects the French number to exceed 5,000 this year. That would be about 1 percent of France's total Jewish population, which compares with 3,300 in 2013 and 1,900 in 2012.
      Israel is naturally an attraction for economic reasons as it has been ranked the 17th most competitive economy in the world.
      The Zionist project is well and truly thriving.
      Remember nobody is forcing you to read the NYT. Maybe you would feel better if you stick to MaanNews or Al-Jazeera.

  • UNESCO group votes to protect ancient Palestinian terraces from Israel's wall
    • @Talknic, I am supposed to be impressed because UNESCO approved the renaming of the Auschwitz extermination camp!?
      I am supposed to be swayed by your derogatory, abusive language that lapses into the same old anti-Zionist rhetoric where you can't avoid drumming up the word Nazi?
      No interest in the Caves of Maresha and Bet-Guvrin in the Judaean Lowlands as a Microcosm of the Land of the Caves that have also been
      listed for World Heritage status in Israel. Because this isn't about UNESCO doing good things and preserving cultural sites of significance it is all about registering sites under the banner of “Palestine,” it
      is all part of a hypocritical political agenda.
      In link to jpost.com
      an Israel official remarked:
      “These votes are just a farce. They have nothing to do with any professional and cultural criteria. They are 100 percent political. The Palestinians have already hijacked UNESCO,” the official said.

    • UNESCO is all about politicising the I/P conflict to the advantage of the Palestinians.

      UNESCO that deletes ‘Israel’ from title of its exhibit on Jewish ties to Israel to satisfy pro-Palestinian sensibilities at
      link to timesofisrael.com
      and rebuffs Israel when it attempted to have the Shoah mentioned for the 50th anniversary of the UN in 1995.

      UNESCO that lost American support when it went ahead and gave Palestine member status, a move that ignored efforts to bring the two sides together in genuine peace talks, not talks where Israel was being pressured and bullied into a strait-jacketed position.

      UNESCO, from which both the US and UK pulled out during the 1980s, when they were legitimately concerned about waste and corruption within the organisation at that time under Senegalese Director General Amadour-Mahtar M’Bow.

      UNESCO which waited until 1974 to start passingly a succession of anti-Israel resolutions in connection with its control of Jerusalem, after ignoring the dreadful damage and desecration that had been inflicted on Jewish heritage sites in East Jerusalem prior to 1967.

      UNESCO has no prestige and honour, being a disingenuous, one-sided partisan operator, suspiciously silent when a Palestinian mob destroyed Joseph's tomb, a major Jewish shrine in Nablus, and built a mosque on the site.

  • Kidnapped
    • So Mondowiess' resident Jewish apologist Marc Ellis has been called upon to cobble together some more ambiguous pseudo-sympathetic words about these innocent teenagers whom he is now willing to say have been kidnapped when before they were merely 'missing'.
      I had posted elsewhere on MW (refer
      link to mondoweiss.net)
      about this event and at that stage there had not been a word said about this sordid affair.
      Can someone tell me that what I have said in my post is not validated by this disgusting cartoon that appeared on Fatah’s Facebook page
      link to algemeiner.com
      And while Israel searched for the abducted teens, Palestinian Authority Chief’s Wife, Amina Abbas, apparently underwent treatment at Tel Aviv Hospital. This illustrates a fundamental difference in the morality on both sides of the conflict - there are those who hand out candy when they kidnap children, and there are those who provide medical care for family members of their enemy.

  • Israeli army seals Hebron, saying Hamas is responsible for abducted teens
    • Hamas may have stopped short of claiming responsibility, but have not hesitated in praising the apparent abduction. Palestinian militants have repeatedly threatened to kidnap Israelis and have been itching for an opportunity to put Israel under the hammer by using captured Israelis as bargaining bait. In summary Hamas is morally responsible and their hateful attitude is good reason for Israel to see that there is no genuine Palestinian partner for peace.

  • The world was right about Iraq-- though Israel got its 'Clean Break'
    • @Talknic, your usual legalistic gobbledegook.

      It has been illegal to acquire territory by war

      As Israel's security has been threatened repeatedly by attacks from neighbouring states and belligerent forces within those states, Israel is obligated under Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations and its inherent right to self-defense to use whatever means are at its disposal to defend itself. These fundamental requirements of self-protection clearly override any categorical argument that Israel has been acquiring territory by war.
      The territory set aside for a Palestinian state following the UN Partition Plan in 1947 was abrogated by the Arabs.
      Following the 1948 War of Independence Israel was not occupying any territory, because there was no sovereign presence that existed at the time in that area. There was not much serious complaint about the illegal 'occupation' by the Jordanians in the bulk of that area.
      My Australian government has had the courage to steer away from the emotionally loaded word 'occupied' in favour of the term 'disputed' that truly reflects the situation.
      And as for the matter of settlements there were NONE till after 1967.

  • Think back to 2003. . . the year the U.S. didn't invade Iraq
    • No doubt the blind naysayers will complain that I am not on the topic. However what choice do I have when nobody at Mondoweiss says a jot about the three Jewish teenagers who have kidnapped in the West Bank?
      By there being no response to my last post where I mentioned this event can I assume that nobody has anything to say, that nobody here cares? Does the fate of three innocent teenagers not matter because they happen to belong to settler families?
      Tell me that what I have said is not validated by this cartoon that has appeared on Fatah's Facebook page
      link to algemeiner.com

    • As long as the Palestinians have amongst them the kinds of people who will kidnap and threaten to kill innocent teenagers (refer
      link to nydailynews.com)
      then their cause will never succeed. The world will never tolerate this kind of barbaric behaviour that sits at the core of Palestinian society. The world sees what Islamists are doing everywhere and knows that a Palestine would ultimately just be another undemocratic Islamic hotbed.
      The reason that the conflict has gone on for so long is because of the total unwillingness of Muslims to accept the presence of a Jewish sovereign state or homeland in the Middle East. This has nothing to do with settlements or 'occupation' as Ari Shavit has pointed out. Since the Zionists started arriving in Palestine a fundamental animosity was stirred up against them by Arab leaders, which culminated in sectarian violence like the 1920 Jerusalem riots, that are the roots of the current conflict. The OIC has held the world to ransom over the I/P conflict.

    • @anthonybellchambers, it would pay before you go on wild speculations to read something to sober you up to the fact that "Iraq was a war for American interests as perceived by those who have the power to make those decisions. It was not a 'war for Israel'" at
      link to jewishvoiceforpeace.org
      Just because there are no noises at the moment about Israel has nothing to do with weakness, it is because for a change there is a focus on international events that do REALLY matter. Israelis would be relieved that there is some respite from the incessant, irrational barrage of biased, disproportionate behavior that is constantly levelled at it.

  • Meet Aryeh King: The brash right-wing settler bent on evicting Jerusalem's Palestinians
    • What's the point of doing a take on a right winged Jewish fundamentalist? For every Aryeh King you'll find a hundred malevolent fundamentalists on the other side, whose hate for Israel is manifest.

  • Houston stadium security detains soccer fan for waving Palestinian flag as 'racial slur'
    • I am no expert on the right to free speech under your First Amendment, but I do know that there are limits to free speech. Given the tendency
      of soccer fans to get very emotionally charged at soccer games it seems very prudent of the ground staff to have asked Hammad to curtail
      her flag waving.
      It seems odd that the BBVA Compass Stadium have a set of rules that according to Hostage et al are in breach of the First Amendment.
      I know the story oft mentioned about free speech and how there are limits to it e.g. it is not permitted to shout "Fire!" in a public place just because you feel like exercising your rights under the First Amendment.

    • My apology - I got the score wrong. Israel won 4-2.
      Also the team colors of both sides are apparently the same, so I can understand why Hammad, coming from a culture with a victim mentality, would react to 'a sea of blue and white'.

    • Robbins is not gracious enough to tell us the result of the game. Israel won 2-0.

      my colors vibrant and loud against a sea of blue and white

      This is the distorted impression that Buthayna Hammad provides. If you
      read this report from the match
      link to chron.com
      you find out that it was "a pro-Honduras crowd" and "A few Israeli flags were also sprinkled here and there among the festive crowd."
      Yes Robbins - a few Israeli flags, not a sea of that blue and white color combination you love to hate. As usual we see Palestinian supporters
      twisting reality to give a politically advantageous false
      impression.
      I took a peek at the BBVA Compass Stadium guidelines that only permit

      Banners, signs and/or flags no larger than 4 feet tall by 8 feet wide as long as they do not obstruct any stadium or event signage, do not contain commercial messages or offensive material, do not obstruct view for other guests and are relevant to the
      event.
      Any banners or signs that do not fit these guidelines may submit a request for entry in writing to Guest services ...

      I have italicised where Buthayna Hammad would have clearly infringed. Her flag was not relevant to the event other than to offend some
      members of the crowd.

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