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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
by Pamela Olson on May 21, 2013 18
"There’s been a sea change"
i like that sentence it goes well with my "a breath of fresh air"
and then there,s “the other side of the story.” further down
and finally “on behalf of a foreign power” (this one from american)
nice .............it all fits together like this
"There’s been a sea change"....."a breath of fresh air"............. “the other side of the story.”......................“on behalf of a foreign power”
very funny -if anything 9/11 caused americans to pay attention to what is "really" happening "over there" -
if 9/11 was a move on the board in the game of chess being played between america and china -the board being green and red -then the arab spring is a calculated domino effect- type move only the chinese could conceive off-(thats the way they play) with syria being the last piece -then now is the time for israel to strike a decisive blow to end the game before it deteriorates into a joke
Palestine and the Left
by Jacobin Magazine on April 22, 2013 15 says
"Much of the energy that in the past would have found its home in student antiwar movements has migrated to the cause of Palestine."
i agree with this statement and interesting enough there is a connection between the
the left and marxism both in south africa and left support for palestine
lets take the following examples
1.link to en.wikipedia.org
2.link to en.wikipedia.org
The Weather Underground Organization (WUO), commonly known as the Weather Underground, was an American radical left organization founded on the Ann Arbor campus of the University of Michigan. -------The Weathermen disintegrated after the United States reached a peace accord in Vietnam in 1973, after which the New Left declined
South African Communist Party (SACP) is a political party in South Africa. It was founded in 1921 as the Communist Party of South Africa by the joining together of the International Socialist League and others under the leadership of Willam H. Andrews.-------In exile the influence of the SACP grew as communist states provided the ANC with funds and arms. Patient work by the ANC slowly rebuilt the organisation inside South Africa and it was the ANC, with communists in prominent positions, who were able to capitalize on the wave of anger that swept young South Africans during and after the Soweto Uprising of 1976.
is it possible that the boston bombers were connected to left wing communist groups in america who have taken up the fight of the palestinian cause in america much in the same way as the weather underground or sacp
Russian folklore
Three crows also refers to a tale of three crows (a father, mother and son crow) bothering the king.[3]
link to en.wikipedia.org
just some random 3 crows trivia -disregard
Palestine and the Left
by Jacobin Magazine on April 22, 2013 8 says
"This does not leave us in a very clear place. The political force that can forge a clear national liberation strategy does not exist, and it is Palestinians and Palestinians alone who can forge such a force."
and
"The question of Palestine is a question of justice. That is why we do not hesitate to take sides."
equals
forge such a force to take sides..............................
Modern left-wing terrorist groups in the United States developed from remnants of the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers and extremist elements of the Students for a Democratic Society. During the 1980s both the May 19th Communist Organization (M19CO) and the smaller United Freedom Front were active. After 1985, following the dismantling of both groups, there were no confirmed acts of left-wing terrorism by similar groups.[5]
link to en.wikipedia.org
so if i understand you correctly Bhaskar Sunkara (editor of jacobin) you are saying that in order to bring about justice for palestinians a force is needed to counter right wing terrorism and that this counter will forge a just solution for arabs in palestine
jim crow talking to huckleberry finn on the walkie talkie in the movie "Capstone"
houston :this is eagle one
eagle one: go ahead
houston:we have a 4 crow sunday
eagle one:affirmative houston 4 crow sunday
a wave of sand.a hail of stones.a dome fallen.a capstone revealed
Double standard on killing collaborators
by Phil Weiss, with Adam Horowitz and Annie Robbins on April 20, 2013 21
so all 3 wrote this statement which means that you all stand accused of collaboration by unknown persons
in 3 months from now there could be a full scale attack on israel-there will be a call to arms
will you respond or not
yes or no
The War of Ideas in the Middle East will become the seige of israel
will you stand with the jews in israel or its enemies
yes or no
not interested in your ideas ,i have heard them all-just a simple
yes or no
continuing on from my “Great Pacific Garbage Patch,”issue
-what can be done right away -someone needs to make a start and send a fishing trawler out there and pickup the garbage thats being dropped off
instead of red war we should support green peace and make a difference
James Canning says:
April 20, 2013 at 2:38 pm
"Yes, Israel/Palestine is “the urgent moral issue of our time”."
could not agree with you more-
there is one other moral issue just as urgent -the........
“Great Pacific Garbage Patch,”
link to telegraph.co.uk
these 2 issues are what concern ME most -the i/p conflict and the garbage patch
luckily the garbage posted on this site does not add to the garbage patch
"lets fix palestine"
only an american could come up with that comment while drowning in a sea of garbage
"chomsky surfed the wave,obama surfed the sand,a hail of stones followed by burning smoke"
Isaiah 27:1 - In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.
Extremists & traitors
by Adam Horowitz on April 17, 2013 says
"That a “settler son” was the appropriate hypothetical to compare to the “traitor son.”"
a question for you mr horowitz-moving away from the middle east
so which "son" was responsible for the bombs in boston
more importantly who provided the manifesto that sets the action in motion
the "settler" son or the"traitor" son ?
by Marc H. Ellis on April 16, 2013 1
"Speaking of Judith Butler "
judith butler wrote this one
The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.
well what can i say-myself being one of limited stuff upstairs can barely grasp what this women is trying to say but since i like to use altered templates to paint new canvases lets give this one a go
The move from a (personal belief) account in which (relegion) is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of (priesthood power) in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.
power corrupts the very system and brings about a new painted canvas using altered templates that give birth to a higher power so power is neccesary as a catalyst and only a means to an end as real power as that which exists in personal belief and derived from belief in G-d endures
survival comes first and relegion provides the will and intent
(my theory of altered templates has yet to be published)
right now in israel and in judaism we are in the grip of an altered template and rebirth is imminent
and that judith butler is a good thing-i wish you well with your "parting of ways"
there are 3 sides to a coin -heads tails and edge.the edge the hand of G-d both seen and unseen
RJL says:
April 16, 2013 at 10:26 pm
"is the naive hope they will be spared the hatred directed towards the Jew."
in south africa when the zulu,s would march in protest with shields and clubs the sound they made was scary.your white skin became a liability whether you were pro anc or not.
link to youtube.com
watch the whole video -it changes to english
Shingo says:
April 17, 2013 at 4:10 am
"Sorry, but South Africans who live there, disagree with you."
remember this from 1994-i was there
the best part comes at the end -truly prophetic
link to youtube.com
just says:
April 11, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Iranians love pistachios as well, but cannot afford them due to the sanctions
absolutely -the iranian figs are good too, especially the round ones
i have started boycotting all arab products and encourage everyone i meet to do the same.i feel that arab states have failed there palestinian brothers and should be providing aid to them instead of the west
i read today that qatar and libya had to bail egypt out because america did not give the egyptians there billions of dollars in"aid".
on the other hand i will continue to buy iranian products as i believe that they do not deserve the bad reputation we are told to believe
thats all for now
I enjoy pistachio ice cream– B&J’s makes the best.
Danaa says:
April 10, 2013 at 1:53 pm
"When are people going to face the truth? israelis and American jews have very little in common other than a tenuous ethnic/religious affiliation."
i have to agree with you here -i just hope that all those billions of hard earned dollars jews have donated to israel over the years will have been well spent
lets face it -even a combat unit needs a good pair of boots.
Inanna
The whole thing is off .totally inanne.i wonder if they have them in syria.probably not.why waste bullets when the war is not over.
Allison has missed the point.she needs to dig deeger and find out what has changed.because i have a feeling that the palestinians are hoping that the sunni cavalary have finally come to their aid.
Citizen says:
April 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm
"drop the towels, and stand with slingshots drawn and aimed?"
sounds more like a cockfight than a riot
RJL says:
April 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
" And all the nations surrounding Israel are crumbling,"
well stated
sardelapasti says:
April 7, 2013 at 1:25 am
"mcohen – What does “spirituality” mean?"
link to en.wikipedia.org
The term spirituality lacks a definitive definition,[1][2] although social scientists have defined spirituality as the search for "the sacred," where "the sacred" is broadly defined as that which is set apart from the ordinary and worthy of veneration.[3]
thats what wikipedia says
i have my own definition based on personal experiences -i will give you an example of what happened to me 2 years ago
i went for a walk while on vacation along the beach -then onto the rocks -i walked for sometime and came to a sheer drop off and could not go on-but for some reason i decided to
in the distant i could see a beach with sand but to get there i had to walk up a mountain path and go around the drop off-it was a narrow path and difficult but i persisted -i was a little anxious because by this time it was near sundown and i did not want to walk back in the dark
eventually i reached the beach and started walking along the sand
there was a cliff on one side and the ocean on the other
i saw something white moving in the small rocks at the base of the cliff and wandered over-to my utter disbelief it was a small dog lying on its back wedged in between 2 rocks and what i had seen was its leg moving around
i went up to it and saw a trickle of blood from its mouth dried on the sand so it must have fallen off the cliff and got jammed -the cliff was at least 5 meters high -i looked at its eyes and could see it was slightly blind
i put it in my shirt in a sling and decided to walk up a dry riverbed coming down the mountain-it was difficult and my feet were bleeding when i got to the top
there were houses and i put the dog down and asked a lady to watch the dog while i walked back to the car park a few kilometers away so i could take the dog to a vet
anyway i passed a caravan park and for some unknown reason decided to stop in at the reception and ask if anyone was missing a dog
they told me the maintenance guy was missing his dog and they called him over
i told him about the dog and we decided to go back to where i left it on the sidewalk
when we got there it was his dog -he just picked it up and cradled it in his arms -did not say a word
as i was standing there i decided to go home and said goodbye -i looked down at the dog in his owners arms and the dog looked at me-and it smiled-
i excitedly pointed at the dog and said -hey did you see that-and everyone said what -what is it -but the moment was gone so i left
the dog had wandered down the mountain and because it was half blind had fallen over the edge
sometimes i think about what happened -what made me go to that beach
over the years other things have happened to me.i get a feeling about something and act on it but there is no rational answer
you feel it -you know it exists-but what is it ?
thats what i would call spirituality-the unseen edge-you keep turning the coin but it alludes you and then one day you start to believe
the hand of G-d
3 sides to a coin-heads,tails,edge-the edge is the hand of G-d both seen and unseen
""young people are likely to intermarry at the "most secular points in their lives." I.e., before they grow up and worry about getting a proper visa to heaven. ""
a book i recently read by E.L Doctorow "City of God" is worth a read
the trick to surviving intermarriage in my opinion is that the mutual spirituality of the union should be stronger than the individual
Philip Weiss on April 6, 2013 says
"Her piece ends with the statement that as someone who is herself intermarried, she thinks intermarriage a good thing. But there is a lot of fingerwagging along the way:"
intermarriage is a good thing because it opens the doors to relegious experimentation.a little bit of this and a little bit of that all mixed together in a pot,nicely stirred and suddenly you got a brand new relegion
how about some new laws-
you can eat pork-but it must be baptised by a cantor from LA to make it kosher
you can can drive on sabbath-but only if your car has a kippah
you can have a christmas tree- but it must be dipped in horseradish
you can have chicken soup-with singapore noodles
the permutations are endless
3 sides to a coin-heads,tails,edge-the edge is the hand of G-d both seen and unseen
how many sides to a coin ?
most people say 2---heads and tails-this and that
but it is three -heads ,tails,and and the hand of G-d
the hand that you can see and the hand that is hidden
Citizen says:
March 31, 2013 at 4:32 pm
"It’s time to ask Anne Frank what she thinks about Asmaa’s plight."
to ask anne frank or to replace anne frank with asmaa ??
CITIZEN (of the world ) you are so close ,you can do it,in your mind you have already replaced anne frank with asmaa but the reality is not quite there yet
the israelis are almost like the nazis-----------almost (co close yet so far)
and then when they do become the new nazis you can do it CITIZEN(of the world)
you can replace the jewish anne with the palestinian asmaa
7 degrees of seperation ......MR CITIZEN(of the world)
thats all thats seperates the israelis from the nazis
7 degrees
susan1 says:
April 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm
link to monabaker.com
hey thanks for the link-will add it to my stash.......
of links.
gee_ avi says
>I don’t celebrate holy days, especially ones based on fairytales.<
gee avi -----how about this fairytale
Early Ottoman rule
Hebron in 1839, after a drawing by David Roberts
The expansion of the Ottoman Empire along the southern Mediterranean coast under sultan Selim I coincided with the establishment of Inquisition commissions by the Catholic Monarchs in Spain, which ended centuries of the Iberian convivencia (coexistence). The ensuing expulsions of the Jews drove many Sephardi Jews into the Ottoman provinces, and a slow influx of Jews to the Holy Land took place, with some notable Sephardi kabbalists settling in Hebron.[92][93] Over the following two centuries, there was a significant migration of Bedouin tribal groups from the Arabian Peninsula into Palestine. Many settled in three separate villages in the Wādī al Khalīl, and their descendants later formed the majority of Hebron.
During the 1929 Hebron massacre, Arab rioters slaughtered some 64 to 67 Jewish men, women and children[148][149] and wounded 60, and Jewish homes and synagogues were ransacked; 435 Jews survived by virtue of the shelter and assistance offered them by their Arab neighbours, who hid them.[150] Two years later, 35 families moved back into the ruins of the Jewish quarter, but on the eve of the Palestinian Arab national revolt (April 23, 1936) the British Government decided to move the Jewish community out of Hebron as a precautionary measure to secure its safety. The sole exception was the 8th. generation Hebronite Ya'akov ben Shalom Ezra, who processed dairy products in the city, blended in well with its social landscape and resided there under the protection of friends. In November 1947, in anticipation of the UN partition vote, the Ezra family closed its shop and left the city.[151]
Rabbi Yechezkel Sarna, a survivor of the 1929 massacre, now wished to reopen the former Hebron Yeshiva.[166] In the spring of 1968, without government consent, Rabbi Moshe Levinger together with a group of Israelis posing as Swiss tourists rented the main hotel in Hebron[167] and then refused to leave
link to en.wikipedia.org
continuing on from my post it is interesting that Malachi was also a lesson in tithes
"The Hebrew Bible, in (Genesis 25:29-34), tells the account of Esau selling his birthright to Jacob. This passage states that Esau, returning famished from the fields, begged Jacob to give him some of the stew that Jacob had just made. (Esau referred to the dish as “that same red pottage”, giving rise to his nickname, Hebrew: אדום (`Edom, meaning “Red”).) Jacob offered to give Esau a bowl of stew in exchange for his birthright, to which Esau agreed."
exchanging a birthright for a pot of stew.exchanging land for food.this obligation works both ways -if settlers (JACOB) want to take land in the west bank as a "birthright" then they must provide "a pot of stew" to the arabs (ESAU) who lived there.this then is the tithe as mentioned in Malachi
The prophet Malachi connected the observance of tithing obligations with blessings from God:
Bring the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in My house, and test Me now with this, says the LORD of Hosts, if I will not open for you the windows of heaven, and pour out for you a blessing, that there shall be more than sufficiency. Malachi 3:10
take the trip into the past to see the future---days of darkness ,a wave of sand
today i spun the dice and choose a page from the chumash and Malachi came up and with it the story of jacob and esau attached.interesting because the area known as beit el is mentioned -jacobs dream took place here and he put down a marker by pouring oil on a rock.
link to en.wikipedia.org
today that area is a settlement in the west bank and considered illegal under un law but settlers dispute this saying the land was sold to them by the arabs
link to en.wikipedia.org
The Hebrew Bible, in (Genesis 25:29-34), tells the account of Esau selling his birthright to Jacob. This passage states that Esau, returning famished from the fields, begged Jacob to give him some of the stew that Jacob had just made. (Esau referred to the dish as "that same red pottage", giving rise to his nickname, Hebrew: אדום (`Edom, meaning "Red").) Jacob offered to give Esau a bowl of stew in exchange for his birthright, to which Esau agreed.
take the trip into the past to see the future---days of darkness,a wave of sand.
link to socioecohistory.wordpress.com
link to en.wikipedia.org
gamal
how right you are-it is the sons of Ra that will carry the arab spring forward into the open revolt and bloody conclusion that is inevitable.
days of darkness a wave of sand
annie
"how leo strass of you. so, you think the jewish zionista terrorists (aka ‘setters’) will determine the future?"
the hilltops are strategic bases so it is the future that will determine the settlers destiny not the other way around
kalithea says
"darkened soul" ,.... "wolfed down some snacks,"........"no relief in sight."
i eagerly await your midnight hour post...aaaaaahhhhhhhhwhooooooo
american
you confusing the horse with the chicken.
israel is only one small slice of what is going on in america.
this is not about who identifies with what,this is a jewish problem that american jews are trying to solve with the help of an american president
small stuff compared to china or russia even europe.
if you read both speeches by obama in cairo 2009 and jerusalem 2013 they have had 3 main points which seem to correspond to each other.
jerusalem speech
1.peace is necessary
2.peace is just
3.peace is possible
cairo speech
1.The Holy Koran tells us, "O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another."
2.The Talmud tells us: "The whole of the Torah is for the purpose of promoting peace."
3.The Holy Bible tells us, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
chomsky wore his hawaian shirt and surfed the wave of hurricane sandy.
obama wore his white shirt and surfed the wave of sand .
the hour glass has turned .
Sumud says:
March 23, 2013 at 11:50 am
"Do you really think you can spout this hasbara crap here and not be corrected? People aren’t really as dumb as you hope."
SPOUT
to gush forth in a rapid stream or in spurts. 2. To discharge a liquid or other substance continuously or in spurts. 3. Informal To speak volubly and tediously. v.tr.
SPROUT
To begin to grow; give off shoots or buds. 2. To emerge and develop rapidly. v.tr. To cause to come forth and grow.
to spout or sprout
to fly upon an eagles wing
down below voices of hope do sing
softly first as we soar
swooping closer to hear the roar
of freedoms mighty call
one land for all
alex kane
"President Barack Obama received a hearty welcome----he has given Israel carte blanche to continue to violate international law with impunity."
obviously you have access to the inner circle of decision makers otherwise why would you make the above statement,but what if the opposite is true
in the speech made in cairo obama said
"At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop."
there is a new government in place,the relegious parties are out of the picture and the bible is not the road map to peace as some believed
link to timesofisrael.com
Weather plays havoc with final hours of Obama visit
Winds, dust clouds ground presidential choppers, lead to cancellation of formal airport farewell ceremony
By Matti Friedman March 22, 2013, 1:54 pm 4
bethlehem on Friday, awaiting a belated President Obama amid a sandstorm (photo credit: Channel 2 screenshot)
link to washingtontimes.com
A violent sandstorm that kicked up in Jerusalem on the last day of Mr. Obama’s trip grounded President Obama’s helicopter Friday, making it unsafe for Mr. Obama to fly to Palestinian-controlled Bethlehem.
It’s the second transportation mishap of Mr. Obama’s three-day historic trip to Israel. Before the president’s arrival, Mr. Obama’s steel-plated limo, known as “The Beast,” broke down and the Secret Service had to replace it.
SEE RELATED: Obama vows ‘never again’ at Israeli Holocaust memorial
During the morning, Mr. Obama toured Yad Vashem, Israel’s museum dedicated to the Holocaust, and the skies were clear.
But within a few hours, biting winds and flying sand made helicopter travel impossible to Bethlehem, about a 30-minute drive from Jerusalem. Mr. Obama’s 30-car motorcade was then forced to drive at a snail’s pace through the hilly roads and then clear a checkpoint to get to Bethlehem, where he visited the Church of the Nativity, believed to be the site of the Jesus’ birth.
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seven days will bring days of darkness a wave a sand
7 years has passed-
Apr 17, 2006 - Eleven people were killed and over 60 wounded in a suicide bombing during the Passover holiday near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv, at the Rosh Ha'ir shawarma restaurant, site of the Jan 19 bombing. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
well that is basically the crux of the matter.to the victor goes the spoils,at least the jews have history on there side-check out those ancient coins with hebrew writing on them
positively ancient-see the history -take the trip into the past to see the future
left wing hypocrites lol
susan 1
i agree with you -america is out of control-the whole thing started with rock and roll and now its out of control
just ignore these americans they are so unwithitnoshit
countrys is spelt countries
love mike
ec ru.........et tu.....................brute
""There were other people there too you know.""
you forgot to mention the last sentence of my link-the hobbit houses you remarked on .
but not this-why
"Before World War II there were still about 1,300 Jews in the Ghetto, but 289 were deported by the Nazis and only seven returned."
""You continue to misinterpret history due to your Judeo-centric myopia. ""
when i visited venice i took a trip to the synagogues.chabad has a office there .they were quite beautiful.
here is the link-take the trip ,see the future in the past
" The Jewish Ghetto
The Jewish Ghetto, the world's oldest, remains intact and is still marked by dark porticos, peeling paint, laundry hung out to dry, and windows placed so close above one another that you're back aches just thinking about the low ceiling."
link to jewishvenice.org
really i find your comments "morally repugnant" when you post this crap
"And you DO attempt to minimise the fact other groups were targeted when you try to claim special status for Jewish suffering. A claim that is both incorrect and morally repugnant."
i used to be a Slave to the rhythm.
now i just tremble with the treble
light annie and everyone other ,,,,,,,
"" what i am suggesting is that israeli arabs view themselves as a conquered people hence the idea of “slave mentality”
No, that better describes the Israeli view of Palestinians.""
what is it you do not understand about the arab spring-the arab people have not been truly free from the tyranny of despots for centuries
in egypt they dispose of one and elect another-arabs in order to be truly free need to seperate church from state
it is that simply
annie
". so if you enslave or conquer someone, it is because that someone has a slave mentality?"
not what i said
i said that they have the mentality of a conquered people-they did not have that before 1948 -do not twist my words
but now that you mentioned it arabs that lived in what is now israel lived under ottaman rule before 1948 so the point i am making is that they have always been a conquered people going back hundreds of years
all from wikipedia-look it up
Mamluk (Arabic: مملوك mamlūk (singular), مماليك mamālīk (plural), meaning "owned"; also transliterated as mamlouk, mamluq, mamluke, mameluk, mameluke, mamaluke or marmeluke) is an Arabic designation for slave soldiers.
1516: The Ottoman Empire replaces the Mamluks in Palestine after Sultan Selim I defeats the last Mamluk Sultan Al-Ashraf Qansuh al-Ghawri at the Battle of Marj Dabiq (Aleppo) and the Battle of Yaunis Khan (Gaza)
1517: Sultan Selim I makes a pilgrimage to Jerusalem on his way to the final defeat of the Mamluks at the Battle of Ridaniya (Cairo). Selim proclaims himself Caliph of the Islamic world.
1518: Abu Ghosh clan sent to Jerusalem to restore order and to secure the pilgrimage route between Jaffa and Jerusalem
1535–1538: Suleiman the Magnificent rebuilds walls around Jerusalem.
1541: The The Golden Gate is permanently sealed.
1546: On 14 January a devastating earthquake shook the Palestine region. The epicenter of the earthquake was in the Jordan River in a location between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee. The cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Nablus, Gaza and Damascus were heavily damaged.[55]
1555: Father Boniface of Ragusa, Franciscan Custodian of the Holy Land, repairs the Tomb of Christ (the Aedicula) in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. This was the first time the tomb was opened since the visit of Saint Helena in 326. It was carried out with the permission of Pope Julius III and Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, and with funds from Philip II of Spain who claimed the title King of Jerusalem[56]
1604: First Protectorate of missions agreed under the Capitulations of the Ottoman Empire, in which Ahmad I agreed that the subjects of Henry IV of France were free to visit the Holy Places of Jerusalem. French missionaries begin to travel to Jerusalem and other major Ottoman cities.
1624: Following the Battle of Anjar, Druze prince Fakhr-al-Din II is appointed the "Emir of Arabistan" by the Ottomans to govern the region from Aleppo to Jerusalem. He toured his new provinces in the same year.[57] He was deposed and hanged a decade later by the wali of Damascus
1663–5 Sabbatai Zevi, founder of the Sabbateans, preaches in Jerusalem before travelling back to his native Smyrna where he proclaimed himself the Messiah
1672: Synod of Jerusalem
1700: Judah the Pious with 1,000 followers settle in Jerusalem.
1703–1705: The city revolts against heavy taxation. It is finally put down two years later by Jurji Muhammad Pasha.[58]
1705: Restrictions imposed against the Jews.
1744: The English reference book Modern history or the present state of all nations stated that "Jerusalem is still reckoned the capital city of Palestine"[59]
1757 Ottoman firman is issued regarding the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
1771–2: The renegade Christian Mamluk ruler of Egypt Ali Bey Al-Kabir temporarily took control of Jerusalem with 30,000 troops, together with Daher el-Omar and Russia (who had also instigated a Greek revolt as part of the Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774).
1774: The Treaty of Kucuk Kaynarca is signed between Catherine the Great and Sultan Abdul-Hamid I giving Russia the right to protect all Christians in the Ottoman Empire.(Same rights previously given to France (1535) and England)
1798 Patriarch Anthimios of Jerusalem contended that the Ottoman Empire was part of the God's divine providence to protect the Orthodox church from Roman Catholicism and Western secularism.
interesting fellow rasool
i wonder if he is connected to the campaign to connect south africa to israel when it comes to sanctions and apartheid
from wikipedia
""In addition to Cabinet ministers, there are a number of Members of Parliament as well as councillors in the various provinces.[who?] The former Western Capepremier, Ebrahim Rasool, is Muslim (Rasool is currently serving as South Africa's Ambassador to the United States of America).""
james
old story out of africa
they gave nelson 200 suits when he got out of jail
annie
what i am suggesting is that israeli arabs view themselves as a conquered people hence the idea of "slave mentality"
annie
"about 30% of the population consisted of slaves, but paid and slave labor seem to have been equally important."
interesting point.could explain why no real leadership has emerged amongst israeli arabs after 60 years.a slave mentality.
nelson mandela was heavily involved with jewish intellectuals before he went to trial
link to en.wikipedia.org
so that is the reason for choosing south africa as a starting point for sanctions.the rectification of mistakes made in the past ,both connected to the ideals of british colonialism,one in south africa and one in israel
let me see now ,which bright spark at the london school of economics thought this up
the same bunch who are fiddling around in egypt trying to take arab society to the next level
open democracy and company
well before any advancement can take place the islamic scholars need to re-examine what role islam can play.because survival comes first and relegion provides the will and intent.malaysia could play a role
link to en.wikipedia.org
survival includes things like work ethic,innovation,etc and less time spent comtemplating the navel
it is here that israel can play a crucial role through education but arabs need to free themselves from that slave mentality and israelis need to free themselves from that spartan mentality
first came rivers of blood ,then came the locusts,days of darkness to follow.
the plagues will inflict both societies because they they are tied to the same source of belief
for sure
from ripleys wtf aka wikipedia
" According to Oxford Dictionary of Islam the word 'Kafir' means: 'Unbeliever. First applied to Meccans who refused submission to Islam, the term implies an active rejection of divine revelation
In a number of tribes located South of Natal in South Africa, the word "kafir" is used synonymously with, "native."
The Arab slave trade from East Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years.[33] Male slaves were often employed as servants, soldiers, or laborers by their owners, while female slaves, including those from Africa, were long traded to the Middle Eastern countries and kingdoms by Arab and Oriental traders as concubines and servants.
deliciously
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ron iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii c
is it not
especially as obama has roots in east africa,...no wonder he liked watching the movie Lincoln,however some republicans preferred to give it a miss
link to dailykos.com
home of the brave land of the free ,shoot the brits and steal there tea
linking south africa and israel is purely a propaganda exercise by the arab american lobby to sway american opinion in the hope that what america did in south africa by dismantling apartheid will also work in israel
its a good move especially now with obama in for another 4 years and left wing jews supporting the arab lobby with bds and what not.
the eventual aim of the arab lobby in america is to try and cut off funding to israel which will impact on military spending and so weaken israels defence against an attack by arab forces
obama has met with arab and jewish groups and obviously he will ask for concessions from both sides and offer guarantees to ensure that a suitable settlement takes place with a minimum of bloodshed as happened in south africa
israel is not south africa and it is no coincidence that there exists a jewish state in this day and age
my advice to you mr obama would be to leave israel off your itenerary altogether and rather visit The Roman Theatre in Amman, Jordan built by Antoninus Pius
as the jews say on passover-"next year in jerusalem"
not sure what Antoninus Pius would have to say about his theatre-all those past empires who attempted to rule in jerusalem are long gone including the arabian empire
segerated buses reminds me of america-not the rosa parks bus story but the other more interesting one
link to en.wikipedia.org
""Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters are noted for the sociological significance of a lengthy road trip they took in the summer of 1964""
can you imagine this same bus taking the trip in 2014 ,50 years later through saudi arabia ,iran,iraq,lebanon,israel,egypt and libya
the peace bus
people will line the roads with flags and wave,women will wear brightly coloured head scarves and the men will shake there beards
take the trip
see the future in your past
wahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
hey what about that egyptian chickie that was posting all that anti american filth on twitter and got the award -the go home do not come back award.
virginity tests -what sought of society pulls that kind of stunt on women
eradicate and educate
annie
here is a few facts on south africa that you might have missed-seriously -south africa is not a good choice to use for the bds campaign
Rape
Main article: Sexual violence in South Africa
South Africa no longer has the highest rapes per capita, but rape and sexual violence is still a problem.[15] The incidence of rape has led to the country being referred to as the "rape capital of the world".[16] One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year.[17] More than 25 per cent of South African men questioned in a survey published by the Medical Research Council (MRC) in June 2009 admitted to rape; of those, nearly half said they had raped more than one person.[18][19] Three out of four of those who had admitted rape indicated that they had attacked for the first time during their teens.[18] South Africa has amongst the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world.[20] [21]
In March 2010, at a rally on a university campus, the former president of the African National Congress Youth League Julius Malema sang the lyrics "shoot the boer" (Dubul' ibhunu[20] – "Boer" is the Afrikaans word for "farmer", but is also used as a derogatory term for Afrikaners).[21][22] His singing was compared to similar chants by deceased Youth League leader Peter Mokaba in the early 1990s, "kill the boer",.[23] which had previously been defined as hate speech by the South African Human Rights Commission.[24] Recently, Julius Malema was summoned for the criminal offence of hate speech by Solidarity and Afriforum in the Southern Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg to explain his actions.[23] On 16 May 2011 the judge in the case ruled that the use of the phrase was incitement to genocide.[25] In 2011 Afriforum youth and the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU SA) brought an application forward against ANC youth league leader Julius Malema at the equality court over his singing of the song. Afriforum argued that "Boer" referred either to Afrikaners or farmers and that Malema was a public and influential leader, openly singing lyrics that incited violence towards an ethnic group, which constituted hate speech. TAU said, that it was not about the intent but how the message was perceived by the targeted group or the group that felt targeted. ANC lawyers argued that the contentious lyrics were taken completely out of context and that the word "ibhunu" or even "boer" did not refer to Afrikaners, but to the system of apartheid. Expert witnesses stated that the chant, the words, could spur to violence, especially marginalised people.[26] On 12 September 2011, Judge Lamont ruled that the singing of the words shoot the boer amounted to hate speech. He also declared the singing of the song in any capacity to be illegal stating that he finds no possible justifications for singing the song. The ANC has announced that they will appeal the ruling.[27]
On 8 January 2012, after giving a speech at the ANC Centennial 2012 celebrations in Bloemfontein, South Africa, president Jacob Zuma sang the same "shoot the Boer" that had been the subject of Julius Malema's hate speech conviction
interesting -a call to arms
a tad odd
thats me spot on
have not quite mastered the blockquote-how is that done
i will swop you a free prophesy -a farmers one - if you instruct me on how to blockquote-fair trade ?
law of return ,right of return,turn right at return,law of the right
jews have been returning to israel for centuries what is it you people are mumbling about.
link to whc.unesco.org
Masada is a dramatically located site of great natural beauty overlooking the Dead Sea, a rugged natural fortress on which the Judaean king Herod the Great constructed a sumptuous palace complex in classical Roman style. After Judaea became a province of the Roman Empire, it was the refuge of the last survivors of the Jewish revolt, who chose death rather than slavery when the Roman besiegers broke through their defences. As such it has an emblematic value for the Jewish people.
cliff-WAKE UP
jewish nationalism-----http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
The Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE),[2] Hebrew: מרד בר כוכבא or mered bar kokhba, was the third major rebellion by the Jews of Judaea Province against the Roman Empire and the last of the Jewish-Roman Wars.
Zionism, whether religious or secular, revisionist or liberal, based on biblical prophecy or not, is an ethno-nationalist movement.
false equivalence ?
Pan-Arabism, Nationalist notion of cultural and political unity among Arab countries. Its origins lie in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when increased literacy led to a cultural and literary renaissance among Arabs of the Middle East. This contributed to political agitation and led to the independence of most Arab states from the Ottoman Empire (1918) and from the European powers (by the mid-20th century).
supposed?what is supposed,what does not exist
and what about the mondoweiss supporters club -whats your equivalence ?
arab nationalism ?
hi annie
perhaps you may have read this------in any event why qusra-
'Palestinians may have faked price tag attack'
By BEN HARTMAN, TOVAH LAZAROFF
02/28/2013 22:02
Police suspect Palestinians vandalized 6 cars in Kusra village in order to falsely claim a price tag attack by Jewish extremists.
link to jpost.com
diceman has spoken
leviticus 6-26
6 “‘I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove wild beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country. 7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. 8 Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.
This video, recorded December 27, 2012 by a B'Tselem volunteer, documents a Jewish settler
B'Tselem volunteers,are given cameras by B'Tselem to make videos
righto he is not part of B'Tselem but a volunteer
so lets get B'Tselem to vouch for him
itzik check this out for me please and get the cameramans name so we can confirm if the video is a fake -do it sunday otherwise the article will disappear
happy now
marc b
annie
the "israeli settler" is a fake.itzik just confirmed it for me.not even a jew.the best part.reading the comments.the stories are getting wilder by the minute which can only mean one thing.the wolves are hunting.tell your friend to stay away from qasur
taxi
oh man i love it -what can i say
got any more ?
in any event tonight i spin the dice
i will get back to you on what the Diceman has to say about it
taxi
obviously you need to read up on the temple pecking order
first the cohens .....at the top -the priests
second the levites
and at the bottom the bottoms
which are you then-a bottom or a top ?
could i advise for you to clarify this question as it may have some impact on your position, so to speak -in the pecking order-also known as the Order of Pecks in the vatican
james canned why you say this rubbish
what you say ,what is thinks,who is this man "thinks",who think he is messiah...what he tell you that -that young man with white towel around him he is asking old man if he know thinks the messiah but the old man says "he don,t thinks so"
no thinks not come -he already here
boknaaier
"career men and women with backbones....
pamela
admittedly,these days, optional extras like backbones are rare,but frontbones are still quite common among the younger crowd.make no bones about it one has to pick ones bones very carefully.remember it is not always the donkey that gets you home ,but the rider
citizen
better read this first before you speak of ROR
link to academia.edu
the problem of the "right of return"-a possible solution
the countries that house the palestinian refugees surrounding israel could swap land for people with israel .israels borders are enlargened to accomadate displaced arabs.land from lebanon ,syria, jordan and egypt could be added to israels geographical borders and in return those refugees are given israeli citizenship and settled on that land.
the surveyors who divided up the ottaman empire made a mistake in not creating larger borders for israel by not taking into account population growth and this must be rectified.
of all the countries in the world israel has one of the oldest records of its geographical borders as stated in the bible.
this was not taken into consideration and must be rectified
this is it -a possible solution to peace between arab and jew
prisoner x and prisoner y
the king who wore a black hat has gone to his people. he stands before the black stone awaiting judgement.i hope his heir will rule wisely and make peace with israel.
the sole strategic objective of jordan is to secure access to a port on the meditterean by linking the west bank and gaza. this will cut israel off from dimona and eilat.that is the only real obstacle to peace and a 2 state solution.obama has to somehow convince israeli leaders that giving up land in the south will gain permanent borders in the north.and peace with its arab neighbours. now is the time to secure a deal while syria and lebanon face uncertainity and the west bank and gaza face ongoing and increasing israeli aggression
something has to give -you can feel the tension as the middle east is wound up to breaking point-syria is where the chaos is destined to rise and it will spread.the king who wears a black hat stood before the black stone his hands open,awaiting his fate.his queen gone to her people.
(Hint: it’s the flip cover release button.) Hasbara Fail.
woody you must be having trouble telling the woody from the trees
the link you gave is for an american sniper rifle -israeli sniper rifles are different
pal hasbie fail
whats more the photo was most likely produced by someone connected to
mondoweiss
pal hasbie fail all round
whats more look what the google search for "israeli sniper rifle" came up with
link to google.com.au
what is a real concern is how many times the same image is posted under the search
without doubt this anti israel propaganda was produced in america
well a king who wears a blackhat has lost his queen.his protection.he now stands before the black rock hands open ready to receive what fate has brought him.perhaps knight takes king
Ali Abunimah's discovery of it.
really-the same guy from the great gaza greta diasaster
he discovered it
palestinian hasbara at its finest-
you can almost imagine the team sitting around the table -come on you guys keep the ball rolling-go go go ...we got to keep the pr campaign going-come up with something,anything....olo
only problem is the picture is a fake-its not a sniper rifle scope the- red parts are the give away
if he was as then as now
then when the facts came out
then if because in 2010 and it is now 2013 because he is there
and that is all there is to it
who was he ?
nobody knows who nothing at all
but bob thinks its very funny
he who laughs now will cry later
let no tears flow at all
save them for a rainy day
shutupyourface ignorance breads butter
all the better to spread my dear
gee avi…………………..It must be a relief to be able to edit Wikipedia.
“See the Lavon Affair as just one example among several well-documented examples.”
examples of what -influencing american and british positions on israel
what has that got to do with jewish refugees from arab countries-absolutely nothing
in fact in 2005 those israelis that took part in the “lavon affair” were awarded citations by the israeli government
gee avi
"But tell me, did professor Shenhav himself write that Wikipedia entry that includes the term “refugees” which you cite as proof of….something?"
why would i need proof -my friends are iraqi jews who left iraq and israel for a better life elsewhere
link to en.wikipedia.org
The critical change in Iraqi Jewish identity occurred after the violent Farhud or pogrom against the Jews of Baghdad, on June 1–2, 1941 following the collapse of the pro-Nazi Golden Square regime of Rashid Ali al-Kaylani. At least 180 Jews were killed during two days of riots, and the Baghdadi Jewish community was irreversibly hit. After the Farhud, Jews began fleeing Iraq at an increasing rate.
Zionists be lying. What else is new?
come come avi -lazy thinking
you should consider a third force a wedge that is not zionist nor supports zionist ideology but supports jews worldwide including those jews called israeli.
israel as a country is only 60 years old and still evolving,a project in its infant stages,who knows what the future holds.
but the "country" that is judaism is going from strenght to strenght
Gee avi
Refugees my foot. which foot left or right
so according to you the whole claim is a lie,there were no refugees-is this the same guy in the haaretz article
link to en.wikipedia.org
Shenhav is a well-known figure in Israel as a public intellectual and as one of the founders of the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow Coalition, a social movement founded in 1996 by descendants of Jewish refugees, Olim, from Arab countries, which defines itself as an extra-parliamentary movement seeking to challenge the ethnic structure in the Israeli society.
annie
here is a paragraph from the article
""". War crimes have no statute of limitation. Perpetrators are liable to punishment individually and victims are entitled to compensation in the same way as Jewish victims are now paid compensation of billions of dollars for their suffering in Nazi slave labour camps. The Japanese also compensated the Allied soldiers for the same. The guilt about civilians is much greater.
Eitan, you may be able to contact one of the Israeli commanders of the camps and you may get some confessions from them - to relieve their conscience before they pass away.
Justice shall prevail, however long it takes.
Due to importance of your question, I have taken the liberty to circulate it to friends.
Salman Abu Sitta""""
the link to the full article here link to zochrot.org
the attempt to equate the holocaust with the nabka is quite obvious
annie
arab palestinians are entitled to a absolutely hard core full reclaim.books mansions teepees horses kennels buffalo the lot
heres why........-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
A body representing the Jewish refugees, the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries (WOJAC) estimated in 2006, that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued at more than $100 billion, later revising their estimate in 2007 to $300 billion. They also estimated Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the state of Israel).[3][9][26][27] estimated by Sidney Zabludoff to be at minimum $700 million in period prices and $6 billion today.[9] The organization asserts that a major cause of the Jewish exodus was a deliberate policy decision taken by the Arab League.[28] In 2007, a Jewish advocacy group JJAC (Justice for Jews from Arab Countries) has too alleged that Arab League members formulated a coordinated policy to expel or force the departure of the Jewish population.[29][30][31]
itzik yes you -i am talking to you -habib-give the palestinians there books back NOW ......WHATever
but the director did make a good point.why had no one claimed the books.all property should be reclaimed, so why not start with the books.after all the "people of the book"as the jews are called by moslems value books more than people.
how ironic said gin to tonic
dear susan abulhawa
could you please elaborate on the concentration camps you mentioned in your article.this site has a strict policy of not allowing nabka and holocaust denial statements.
i myself found little evidence of concentration camps in israel since its founding
voting machines and talking heads
tonight i spun the dice -opened a random chapter and judges came up -the story of deborah and barak -i always try to read into what the diceman reveals to me -this is the story for those who do not know
Judges 4:8-9
Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go." "Certainly I will go with you," said Deborah. "But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh. (NIV)
Judges 4:14-16
Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day the LORD has given Sisera into your hands. Has not the LORD gone ahead of you?" So Barak went down Mount Tabor, with ten thousand men following him. At Barak's advance, the LORD routed Sisera and all his chariots and army by the sword, and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. Barak pursued the chariots and army as far as Harosheth Haggoyim, and all Sisera's troops fell by the sword; not a man was left.
now thats a good story on any day -sure beats cnn and the drones from mars
there are 2 baraks who come too mind but anyone know a deborah?
"I drank her wine and gobbled the chicken and laid........... "
hey hey hey things must be looking up mr weiss
anyway its a problem that i have been grappling with for some time.how do you stick with the tribe and not be that "zionist" everyone dislikes.
which to choose and which is right as the song goes.as an ex south african i regret not standing up to the afrikaaner government as some of my friends did.some like les who spent a year in jail -awaiting trial or other jews who joined the anc and took a stand.it was not hard because the choices were obvious and apartheid was blatantly wrong but as long as it did not impact on my life too much i turned a blind eye to the injustice and i regret that, even if i believed that my allegiance was to the white tribe first and foremost.
israel is more complex than the south africa as i believe that the jews do have a claim ,and it has always played a central role in jewish life
next year in jerusalem-every year you say it at passover
ask any person what word connects with jerusalem and they will say jew
however when you take into account the jewish relegion as a whole -a way of life then israel is only a part of that whole
and it is here that we must decide which to choose and which is right
firstly my allegiance is to the jewish tribe-no question
secondly i believe that israel is not "my country" but exists only in my relegion as "my country" so my allegiance is to the country i physically reside in -as long as it respects my right to practice my faith,but spiritually i owe my allegiance to israel.
thirdly because my allegiance to israel is spiritual then all matters connected to that spirituality-justice ,morals,etc must be upheld and it is at this juncture that i find myself back in south africa and wanting to turn a blind. because the moral situation in "my country"does not look good man-you dig
so how does one go about supporting the jewish tribe but at the same time fix the moral problem-
easy -you apply extreme pressure to the spiritual leaders of the jewish faith-your local rabbi -complete revolt against the priesthood ,jesus of nazareth style and get them to bring about change
if you sit in a car with the engine running and a hose pipe connected to the exhaust pumping gases into the car you will die-the rabbis say this is suicide and is forbidden
but they themseves drive cars and pump those same gases into the earths atmosphere yet there is no ruling on pollution that kills because the laws are outdated
well the same with the israel/palestinian conflict-why are there no just rulings worldwide -not only in israel but world wide-you dig man
ok thats it -waffle over
easy -
wishful thinking my friends. when the oil and gas start to flow, when the rail link from eilat to ashdod is completed israel will be booming and its neighbours will come begging
think about it -2 months ago israel bombed gaza and now the turks are building a huge hospital.
it is israel that is situated in the middle east, not america
great to see these guys standing up to the anti israel propaganda-the fact that they are also pro palestinian and seeking a peaceful solution for both sides is encouraging
good post mr nguyen
did you know that it is only 32 km from misgav am to tyre as the crow flies..........The Bible makes several references to Tyre, including
the Book of Isaiah (23),
The last "burden" in this section pertains to the city of Tyre
(23:1-18). Those who traded with her will be dismayed when they hear of
her fall, a destruction to come at the hands of the Chaldeans. For
seventy years Tyre will be forgotten, but then restored. The fruit of
her "labor" will be devoted to the Lord and His people.
the Book of Ezekiel
3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.
the Book of Mcohen
as the sea causeth his waves to come up.
eljay
unfortunately what normanf writes is true regardless of where you aim to please just do not sneeze
egyptians are running out of bread right now and syrians are killing each other right now.
michele flournoy
christine lagarde
1+1=2
spot on.sort of.
south african jews donated millions of dollars to israel and in return israel protected jews and jewish interests.israel also had military ties with the south african defence establishment-the upgrade of mirage fighter jets for instance but lets us not forget that some of the afrikaaner establishment supported the nazis and the
whites only policy was based on aryan attitudes.
today in south africa oil rich arab countries have invested heavily in south africa and are actively engaged in converting black south africans to islam.that is what is driving the anti israel sentiment.it is a readily available attitude among africans that can assist the islamic cause.the slogan of islam from cape to cairo is a reality
good article and i like the posting of alternatives-
at the moment the idea of linking companies from arab and middle eastern countries to the equivalent israeli companies that bds has singled out for boycott as the go to alternative to buy from is being given serious thought
a list of arab companies that could provide alternative products to that of israeli companies is being drawn up and will be published in early march
one of the reasons that i support buying from arab companies is that the profits will trickle down to the palestinian man in the street and arab companies could then sponsor palestinians in the west bank in the form of jobs and setting up of educational institutions all at the expense of the competing israeli companies
bds can only work if it has a strong political message combined with realistic economic aims
valley of tears and obama,s visit
in 1976 i spent a few weeks in israel stayed on a kibbutz and picked bananas like a good monkey,18 years old and just out of high school.
anyway i did a day trip with an israeli from the kibbutz and some friends.on the way back we stopped at this memorial on the golan heights.it was pieces of tanks and other battlefield equipment welded together.the whole area was nothing but ground and small hills,no trees -it was lifeless.i asked the israeli what happened here and i will never forget his answer-terrible things he replied
when the arab spring started i decided to do some research to try to understand what was happening in the middle east and then the civil war broke out in syria and i came across this in wikipedia
link to en.wikipedia.org
the article is worth reading because one can get an idea of what it took for jews ,israeli jews mostly,to take back a land that was once ours.
america and russia each backed there man and israel was the last man standing at the end of the day.
with that victory came a debt and after iraq more so
russia is pulling out of syria and assad whose father ruled at the time is facing expulsion.mubarak is gone
obama is coming in spring (without a peace plan) and a debt will have to be paid-obviously the gas and oil discovered in israel will come up for discussion but what of the arabs called palestinians -what will they get
now is the time for settlements-not in the west bank-but with america and with the palestinians.