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Funny, Jim, Pierre Dorbes of the Red Cross thinks you're article is BS. Come to think of it that entire website looks a little biased.
link to haaretz.com
Phil,
The Jewish vs. Palestinian life was addressed by Wright, and it goes both ways. I'd like to take it a step further, 1.5 million lives for Gilad Shalit. The international community would force Israel's hand for real change (even more real than what is happening now with the blockade) if Shalit were released. Wright was being ridiculous suggesting Hamas give Shalit back w/ out a trade, but I believe now would be the most opportune time for a trade.
Don't forget the endless rhetoric by Nasser, the expulsion of the UN peacekeepers, and the 100k soldiers built up in the Sinai, the port @ Eilat was only a small part.
You've made quite the trade, your passion for your journalistic integrity.
You mean your un-cited source on Wikipedia? I've read many accounts, including those written as manuals for counter-terror/special forces operatives in the US government(FOIA any dork on the street can read some good stuff). No one has ever mentioned 100+ killed.
You are a liar and a confabulator, no need for me to apologize. I'll catch you in another sooner rather than later.
There is nothing smart about starving your constituents, unless of course you don't have to worry about another election (kinda like in Gaza)
Smart if, #1 they don't give a shit about Gazans, or #2 they have all the aid they need.
Cliff, look up Operation Wrath of God. I am not talking about 2006, if someone is going to lie, i am going to call them out. Your defense of "well look what they did here", doesn't fly.
Aren't you using like #3 from the Hasbara handbook, but with a twist, "well i know what he said is a lie, but they did something equally bad here"
Mondoweiss, I should have put those two together, since you are censoring me, maybe you could help me out ;)
where did I say hezbollah hand anything to do with the ship?
what did I lie about? You are about as misleading as this headline. The aid never made it into Gaza, not even the expired medicine that was donated.
C'mon Sumud, if you are going to lie, put the number at least in the 1000s
Can we at least admit these aren't relief ships? They are attempts to break the siege?
Has any of the aid from the flotilla or the Corrie been allowed into Gaza yet?
Whatever you say Sumud, you are not worth my censored commentary. You can follow me on twitter though. I am sure some of your comments will make it on there.
Wow the Anti-semites are coming out of the woodwork for this one. From the comment section we can gather that Jews are responsible for both the Czarist overthrow and starting WWII, waiting for them being the responsible party in the Armenian Genocide. That is the Jew-hating trifecta.
Sumud,
A POW is entitled visits from the Red Cross, yes?
the old they suck worse argument
Who are you kidding Frances, 3/4 quarters of th commentators on Mondoweiss were ecstatic following the Turk's 'martyr operation' on the MM.
Israel won't use nuclear weapons, they didn't use them in '67, in '73, or in '82, there is nothing the Iranians could bring that the Israelis/Americans couldn't counter without the use of nuclear weapons.
If it comes to war, Israel won't hold back like they did in '06. But there will be no need for nuclear weapons. If Hezbollah and Hamas enter a war, Southern Lebanon and Gaza will be turned into a wasteland.
Turkey will sit back and allow it to happen, Saudi Arabia will allow Israeli planes to fly over, and the majority of the Arab world will rejoice.
I pray it doesn't happen, because Iran will do damage to Israel, there will be a ballistic missile barrage like we haven't seen in modern history.
I was called a terrorist, i assumed it was a reference to Menachem Begin. Shmuel, why not go after the person who called me a terrorist?
You guys are so lame. And a Holocaust denier to boot, classy!
So someone who is responsible (partially) for bringing peace between Israel and Egypt is now a terrorist huh?
I see you don't want peace, lucky he didn't live in Egypt, he would have been assassinated by one of your brethren.
center-point to Israel, slicha
Shmuel, denying the connection between Israel and the Jewish people is silly. You guys can use all of your anti-Israel mumbo-jumbo which you are all so fond on here, but at the end of the day, there is a great connection.
Not all Jews are Zionists, but the state of Israel is an important aspect in the lives of the majority of Jews and is a center-point of Judaism, much like Mecca is a center-point to Israel.
It's good to know talking about gassing Jews is fair game on Mondoweiss.
Or Islamic states, sorry.
Great, the Jews are the enemy of all mankind, again.
This is silly, do you think this same church would allow a discussion by a group who wants to to desecrate the name of Martin Luther, or better yet would a Mosque have a similar discussion about the evils of Islamic Terror or the abolishment of one of the 22 Arab countries around the world?
You guys are unbelievable. Now one one-state solution, where everyone is treated equally isn't a .good enough, well what is? The twisted commenters on Mondoweiss are making it quite clear that their real intentions are a Jew free ME.
The worst thing about it is the Palestinians are the ones who suffer for your twisted mentality. All it does is give them a false hope that everything will turn back to how it was prior to Israel's creation. Just like the Mr. Zakkai said, you guys sit on your glass towers, while the Palestinians suffer.
Now that the cat is out of the bag, can any of your goons come up with a better solution than Mr. Zakkai's? Lay it out on the table, is it a Jew free ME, if that is the case, then just admit it, you are fooling anyone anymore.
Here is the keynote speaker at the UCI hate fest getting owned by a Palestinian woman.
link to youtube.com
The Michael Oren debacle was a mere drop in the ocean of hate which MSU propagates on the UCI campuses.
"From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free"
link to youtube.com
You missed article 1-30. don't kid yourself. The likud charter is a sympton of Palestinian terror also.
When the Palestinians get their own State, they can make their own immigration policies.
Kane,
To say that Meshal doesn't support the destruction of Israel without mentioning the Hamas charter is one thing, biased reporting, I see it everyday. To reference the Likud charter, without mentioning that their leaders now support a two state solution, based on the '67 borders, is utter hypocrisy. I thought you had integrity, this post proves otherwise.
Why not talk of Krygystan or Uzbekistan on here. This is what a real ethnic cleansing looks like. The Palestinians are treated like kings compared to this. But no outrage, no protest.
link to cnn.com
Looking forward to see how you guys try to spin the latest terrorist attack.
link to haaretz.com
I love how you people think that we can just turn back the clock and 'start from scratch.' Why stop there, we should just bring back the Ottoman Empire, LOL you guys are laughable.......
What's done is done, we can't go back to pre-1947 borders.
The legal borders are considered the green line which is internationally accepted.
Man, why am I now censored?
Shlomo Sands has been debunked Taxi, The Khazarian myth that you love to latch on to is just that a myth. It is an just another weapon in your anti-semite arsenal.
link to nature.com
link to cell.com
LOL, Sayanim, did you just read Gideon Spies(pretty good book) or something, you toolbox.
oh give me a fucking break, who are you Ann fucking Coulter.
Is that the same Alan Sabrosky who tied Israel to 9/11? No anti-Israel motivation in his writing huh?
link to 911falseflagarchive.blogspot.com
Are you a truther Hayate?
Wouldn't allowing zero aid, medicine, or diesel fuel but better evidence?
Hayate, where the Gazans going to go?
Thanks for the response Avi, I still don't see how that is ethnic cleansing.
The situation in Gaza is horrible, the siege is a disgrace, and the Gazans deserve much more. All I was saying is it doesn't sound like ethnic cleansing to me.
The situation in Gaza is somewhere in between what I say and what you see, it is crap, but it is not ethnic cleansing.
Here is more info on what Israel attempted to send to Gaza and how it was not accepted by Hamas
link to haaretz.com
Hamas didn't allow in any of the aid.
Hayate,
Does this sounds like ethnic cleansing:
link to newsblaze.com
Hayate,
Where would they go? Do you believe that Israel is just really inefficient @ ethnic cleansing?
Why did Israel pull out of Gaza and vacate their settlers if they wanted the Palestinians to leave? If there is true ethnic cleansing why does Israel ship in goods, provide the Palestinians with electricity, and allow them in for medical treatment?
I doubt the medical supplies that are allowed into Gaza, by Israel, are expired.....
The true identity of the Mavi "peace activists"
link to israellycool.com
Has Hamas allowed the aid into Gaza yet?
The truth about the flotilla
link to flotillafacts.com
Melka,
here is a pretty good run down of the military in Turkey. I found it interesting.
link to turkishforum.com.tr
What have you seen so far Melka?
its a fascinating topic.
Potsmoker,
can you tell me how on earth you consider the PKK terrorists, but no Hamas or Hezbollah?
Lareine this is a good point — in theory. In practice, if the IDF wants you dead, you cannot stop them from killing you, nor can any Palestinian or solidarity activist.
Unless you are the superman K'OK
The 'real' Ken O'Keefe, an American hero (until he denounced his citizenship anyways)
link to youtube.com
Blah blah Shingo, you are obviously delusional and arguing with you is futile. Have a good night.
That is fine but not assumed. When someone says RIP Israel, I'd like to know what they think whoever "kills" Israel would do with the Jews.
You said RIP Israel, by advocating (or foreseeing) a 'dead' Jewish state, where do you propose the Jews go? If you are going to say RIP Israel, you need to explain it.
Avigdor Lieberman is an asshat, care to explain the comparison?
Are you joking Shingo, look at the hopper(the big plastic thing on top which is pretty obvious.) Do you know what a paintball gun is? Have you ever shot one? If that wasn't a paint ball gun, what was it?
When you deny everything, even the most obvious of things, it makes every argument you make in the future suspect.
Shingo(Or should I call you Helen Thomas)
Where do you think the Jews of Israel should go?
Israel was founded by mostly secular Jews, you are confusing them with Hamas.
And nothing, Shingo was denying they were there, I was proving they were.
There is obvious evidence there are paintball guns, its been posted on here a hundred times. For the 101st time Shingo, look at the 50 second mark.
link to youtube.com
The inter-workings of the IHH according the the Captain of the Mavi Marmara.
link to youtube.com
Melka
link to youtube.com
Look @ around 51 seconds. There is your hopper.
As for the pumping of the gun in the other video, who knows. was the gun even being fired? was it a non-lethal projectile? No one knows, the video was poor and without context. But somehow you guys all believe it's the execution of a 19 year old Turk.
KO'K is a terrorist because of the people he associates himself with. His 'story' is pure fabrication also, the facts are not on his side. He claims that he subdued 3 Israel soldiers, after they fired from the helicopters and killed his 'brothers.' Why would the Israelis shoot from a helicopter and then after that land on the ship w/ paintball guns and revolvers on their sides. If they went on the ship with the intention to kill, why wouldn't they initially board with rifles?
No one believes that shit, accept maybe the bots of Mondoweiss.
Were you on the ship Shingo? That is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth.
Who did you get yourself from the terrorist Ken O'Keefe?
So first they fired from the helicopters?
Next they stormed the ship, with rifles and cover fire from the helicopters.
Did the soldier O'Keefe disarmed have a rifle? Or did he have a non-lethal projectile(most likely a paintball gun as they are obviously seen in the initial IDF video released) and a 9mm on his hip like the Israelis claim. The more you read his story, the more it is obvious the Israeli's version was the truth and he is lying about his 'brothers' being killed first.
Why isn't anyone bitching about his dual loyalties, wait i guess he renounced his US citizenship, NM.
The guy is a traitor and a liar, no one other than the far left conspiracy 'news' sites give his tail a minute of publicity.
Another Pallywood superstar if you ask me.
Wouldn't this dipshit be numero uno on Israel's hitlist? why didn't they just kill him?
If you guys are going to make outrageous claims, you need to fill in the wholes you swiss cheese looking douchebags
its something like a 20 year old algerian, 10 members of parliament and 4 something i can't quite read it.
aren't you a nuclear scientist also?
Sorry Shingo, but that makes absolutely no sense at all. Keep on trying to convince yourself though, it's fun!
I looked at the video again, are you guys sure something is being discharged? wouldn't there be some sort of flash at the end of the barrel?
there are so many holes..... so many holes.........
huh? it is a paintball gun or some other time of non-lethal gun, hence the pump action melka.
do you know what carbine means MRW?
For those who have no clue about weaponry:
link to isayeret.com
LOL MRW, why would a special forces soldier choose to use a pump action instead of a semi-auto/auto rifle? I am sorry dude but you are really stretching here.
There is not an army in the world, let a lone a special forces unit, that would use a pump action rifle in combat. LOL!!!!!!
what do you know about rifles anyways? other than a google search?
Shingo,
I don't get it, so Israel came in firing, but still managed to get three of their soldiers taken hostage by unarmed individuals, who were being assaulted by attack helicopters?
Am i missing something? seriously is that how you think it happened? There are some major issues with your guys' theory here, i'd like someone to fill in the wholes.
How does a group of unarmed peace activists take control over elite special forces soldiers who are shooting to kill while still on the helicopter?
LOL MRW, so they brought on long range rifles onto the flotilla? you are funny dude.
The blood is that of Israeli soldiers which were beaten upon arrival on the ship also. This beating and kidnapping is why their commander gave the order to use live fire and 'shoot to kill'
Not too worry it will all come out, along with Erdogan's association w/ IHH and their association with terrorism.
Bring on the international probe, this is one of the few times where Israel doesn't have anything to hide and the truth will be on their side.
is that the same GPS signal which was scrambled by the IDF before boarding the ship?
LOL, where did you come up with that, are you pulling news out of your kiester?
Taxi,
is that how you treat all women?
That video is pretty suspect. Also what kind of rifle are the Seals using? I don't believe there is a tactical rifle on the market which requires a pumping action, but there are many paintball guns which do.......
Who knows though, that video is pretty indistinguishable.
Also the 'unedited video' what is that proving? That the 'peace activists' shot slingshots at the choppers, they kidnapped israeli soldiers, and they israelis were aiming at the legs at one time during the confrontation.
LOL,
the gun isn't even being discharged!!!!! hahaahahahaa
you guys are awesome, LOL!!! the moment of death!!! all that is missing is something leaving the barrel of the gun!
Hebrew has a lot to do with the cult of victimhood. The language was reinvented for a colonial enterprise
The language pre-dates the Holocaust, Ben-Yehuda, many say the father of Modern Hebrew, immigrated to Palestine in 1881. I don't see the connection.
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Wow pretty long list