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Wow my first hat tip on the interwebs! :)
The new narrative coming from the White House is:
Kerry: Two years left to reach two-state solution in Middle East peace process
link to guardian.co.uk
If the US throws in its hand and opens up the card game to the international community how long before Israel is staring at full South Africa style pariah status. It's already happening on campus' around the globe and that's where it always starts...
"People have said we are a new Rome. We’re probably greater than Rome"
I think that could be an exaggeration.
America is young and some Americans seem to lack historical perspective...
The Roman Empire was the first great western super power. At its height it counted at least 50 million subjects and covered about two millions square miles (about half the size of modern China). Since the dawn of recorded history, the Western world had been composed of city-states—small political entities that often fought and sacked another and resisted attempts to forge large empires.
What was so extraordinary about the Roman Empire was not it size—other conquerors such as the Mongols ruled larger empires—but it is longevity. Rome presided over a large empire made up of multitude of races and ethnic groups for nearly five centuries. In contracts, the great empires of the Mongols, Spain and England lasted for only a few centuries at the most.
link to factsanddetails.com
It's not a problem because he's a Palestinian and although human rights are a nice idea it's naive to think they should apply to Palestinians...
He must have thrown stones because the IDF said so, and they never lie...
Don't imagine this happening to a Jewish child elsewhere in the world and what the reaction would be. That's unfair and Anti-Semitic...
The US and Israel are not to blame here. This kid had it coming to him. You just wait and see, they'll torture a confession out of him soon and then all you bleeding-hearts will eat humble pie...
"Denying the historical ties of Jews to the Holy Land"
link to american-buddha.com
"denying there were 2 Temples on Mt. Moriah (temple mount)"
link to wrmea.org
"denying today’s Jews have ancestral links to each other (sephardim and ashkenazim)and to the ancient Israelites"
link to haaretz.com
Archaeology and genetic science are Anti-Semitic! Who knew :)
I have been following the case closely here in the UK. It has had hardly any major press coverage. The Haaretz article misrepresents the facts quite substantially.
"But the well-built and detailed case was shattered by the tribunal’s ruling. The panel, headed by Judge A.M. Snelson, accepted UCU’s version of all the events in question, and found that most of the claims were no longer valid in any case, due to a change in the laws."
The change in the law actually favoured the case, however the case was not well built as is demonstrated by the commentary by other Zionists in the legal profession. (From an article in the JC link to thejc.com )
One lawyer active in Jewish affairs, Jonathan Goldberg QC, commented: “This enormous but legally flawed lawsuit was an act of epic folly by all concerned which will negatively impact our community for a long time to come. You only bring such showcase litigation if you are certain to win.”
The chairman of UK Lawyers for Israel, Jonathan Turner, also questioned the wisdom of bringing the action. “I had deep misgivings and feared it would fail,” he said. But he called it “a reverse, not a disaster”, suggesting that lessons could be learned on “which cases to fight and how”.
"Julius responded that it was simply a standard anti-Semitic ploy of dividing Jews into good-Jew/bad-Jew categories."
How heinous! Zionists would never do such a thing...
Here is the UCU statement:
UCU cleared of harassment in landmark tribunal
25 March 2013
An Employment Tribunal has found in favour of UCU on all ten complaints of harassment brought by a UCU member who opposed the union's policy on Palestine.
The claimant had been supported in his claim by leading lawyer Anthony Julius. In giving their reasoning the Tribunal stated that 'the proceedings are dismissed in their totality' and 'we greatly regret that the case was ever brought. At heart it represents an impermissible attempt to achieve a political end by litigious means.'
The Tribunal also described themselves as troubled by the implications of the claim, stating that 'underlying it we sense a worrying disregard for pluralism, tolerance and freedom of expression, principles which the courts and tribunals are, and must be, vigilant to protect'.
While witnesses for UCU were described in the tribunal's decision as 'careful and accurate', some witnesses for the claimant were described as appearing to 'misunderstand the nature of the proceedings and more disposed to score points or play to the gallery rather than providing straightforward answers to the clear questions put to them'.
John Mann MP and former MP Denis MacShane were collectively described as giving 'glib evidence, while testimony of another key witness for the claimant was described as 'extraordinarily arrogant but also disturbing'.
UCU general secretary Sally Hunt said: 'I am delighted that the Tribunal has made such a clear and overwhelming judgement in UCU's favour. There are many different views within UCU and wider society about Israel and Palestine and this decision upholds our and others' right to freedom of expression and to continue to properly debate these and other difficult questions.
'This has been an extremely difficult period for the UCU staff and members involved in defending the union's position and I am especially pleased therefore that the Tribunal found our witnesses to be careful and accurate.
'The claimant, while unsuccessful, of course had the right to challenge the union in the courts and will be treated with respect within the union as will his views on this question. Now that a decision has been made I hope in turn that he, and others who share his views, will play an active part in the union and its debates rather than seek recourse to the law.
'For our part, UCU will look at our own processes to see if improvements can be made in line with the advice given to us within the decision. We remain opposed to discrimination of any kind including anti-Semitism and we will work with energy and determination with all who will work with us to oppose it in the workplace and society at large.'
Lots of coverage of this at Mark Elf's site: link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.co.uk
"Those who feel the need to say that there is “nothing terribly unique” about the Holocaust are, in my opinion, driven by anti-Semitism. “Not terribly unique.” What an ugly, cavalier way of speaking about mass murder."
MJ here is an alternative explanation - (BTW I do think it is insensitive to say that).
That some people are not driven to say there is “nothing terribly unique” about the Holocaust by anti-semitism, but rather by incredible frustration at the constant exploitation of the Holocaust for political reasons by certain members of the Jewish community.
The fact is, just mentioning by way of context the factual information that a larger number of Russians or Chinese were killed in the war or that there were an almost equal or larger number of Non-Jewish victims of the Nazis is seen as in some way justifying the extermination of Jews. This is highly irrational and can surely be linked to the collective psychological trauma of the Holocaust.
"I could, if I wanted to, find hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements here. My beloved friend, Phil, should either shut down all comments or preferably screen them for anti-Semitism, Islamohatred and other forms of bigotry."
And yet you provide this rather weak example...
I am a great admirer of your commentary overall but I think you mistake insensitivity for racism here.
"Unconditional support from the US *and* all the countries that follow the US remains I presume."
"The United Nations general assembly voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to recognise Palestine as a state, in the face of opposition from Israel and the US.
The 193-member assembly voted 138 in favour of the plan, with only nine against and 41 abstentions. The scale of the defeat represented a strong and public repudiation for Israel and the US, who find themselves out of step with the rest of the world.
But the coalition against the vote was thin. Apart from Israel and the US, those voting against were Canada, the Czech Republic, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Panama.
European countries such as France, Italy, Spain, Norway, Denmark and Switzerland all voted yes. Britain and Germany both abstained, with Britain saying Abbas had failed to promise he would resume peace negotiations with Israel."
Yes Israel doesn't have an isolation problem, no one in Israel is worried about this:
link to mondoweiss.net
link to electronicintifada.net
link to reut-institute.org
Taking your fingers out of your ears may help...
"Obama went to Israel to try to rescue the state from deepening isolation"
Good luck with that...
"How truly educated are these people who can look at this evidence that, to any honest observer would lead to the conclusion that there is no truth to the religious, but yet still profess a faith in that religion or that religion’s god concept?"
Well I have some sympathy for people who feel a need to engage with some sort of "spirituality". A feeling that there is some mysterious level of understanding or engagement that we can have as humans that is beyond or outside our rational understanding. Religious or spiritual beliefs would surely not be so common in almost every culture if this were not something that humans have a natural inclination towards.
If only people could just accept that their particular "brand" is merely a vessel to finding a universal truth and be satisfied that the only reason that they choose to use that vessel is likely an accident of birth.
Or just choose the one that suits them best without needing to insist that all the other vessels are "wrong" in some way.
The prejudice, intolerance and lack of critical thinking that are actively encouraged in many religious cultures are what have put me off being involved in any organised religion since I was a small child (also I was not raised religious which is usually the primary factor - again an accident of birth).
However I have found much inspiration and insight from Taoist texts and often re-read them for reasons I cannot completely explain - other that they satisfy some part of my consciousness that gravitates toward the "spiritual" side of understanding the world...
How any intelligent person could see the religious texts of any major religion as serious and accurate records of history rather than a heterogenous collection of stories intended to direct one on a spiritual path through parable and example is beyond me...
Exactly, the Bible is not a history book. When fundamentalist Christians take the Bible literally in this way (earth is 6000 years old etc) they are laughed at by educated people for being unsophisticated. When they seek to deny evolution on this basis they are ridiculed.
What is so different in this case?
It's commonly acknowledged in academia and by educated people that most of what is contained in the Bible is simply not historically accurate. This especially applies to the "History of the Jews" as they are the original myth-makers...
So why do so many educated Jewish people feign ignorance of this basic and obvious fact.
Oh there's plenty more where that came from Annie:
"Whereas previously archaeologists had concentrated on the lowland cities where the great battles mentioned in the Bible were said to have taken place, they now shifted their attention to the highlands located in the present West Bank. The results were little short of revolutionary. Rather than revealing that Canaan was entered from the outside, analysis of ancient settlement patterns indicated that a distinctive Israelite culture arose locally around 1200 B.C. as nomadic shepherds and goatherds ceased their wanderings and began settling down in the nearby uplands. Instead of an alien culture, the Israelites were indigenous. Indeed, they were highly similar to other cultures that were emerging in the region around the same time--except for one thing: whereas archaeologists found pig bones in other sites, they found none among the Israelites. A prohibition on eating pork may have been one of the earliest ways in which the Israelites distinguished themselves from their neighbors.
Thus there was no migration from Mesopotamia, no sojourn in Egypt, and no exodus. There was no conquest upon the Israelites' return and, for that matter, no peaceful infiltration such as the one advanced by Yohanan Aharoni. Rather than conquerors, the Hebrews were a native people who had never left in the first place. So why invent for themselves an identity as exiles and invaders? One reason may have been that people in the ancient world did not establish rights to a particular piece of territory by farming or by raising families on it but by seizing it through force of arms. Indigenous rights are an ideological invention of the twentieth century A.D. and are still not fully established in the twenty-first, as the plight of today's Palestinians would indicate. The only way that the Israelites could establish a moral right to the land they inhabited was by claiming to have conquered it sometime in the distant past. Given the brutal power politics of the day, a nation either enslaved others or was enslaved itself, and the Israelites were determined not to fall into the latter category."
Mileikowsky is talking out of his arse...
"In Cairo, Halevi said, Obama failed to acknowledge "Jewish indigenousness in the region," the idea that history -- the uninterrupted Jewish presence in the lands of ancient Israel for more than 3,000 years -- justifies the modern Jewish claim to a state there."
Fraudulent self-justifying ahistorical Bullshit as modern archaeology demonstrates...
"The Davidic Empire, which archaeologists once thought as incontrovertible as the Roman, is now seen as an invention of Jerusalem-based priests in the seventh and eighth centuries B.C. who were eager to burnish their national history. The religion we call Judaism does not reach well back into the second millennium B.C. but appears to be, at most, a product of the mid-first.
This is not to say that individual elements of the story are not older. But Jewish monotheism, the sole and exclusive worship of an ancient Semitic god known as Yahweh, did not fully coalesce until the period between the Assyrian conquest of the northern Jewish kingdom of Israel in 722 B.C. and the Babylonian conquest of the southern kingdom of Judah in 586. "
link to naderlibrary.com
Mayhem and all the other Jewish nationalists like him are a more likely cause of anti-semitism than any in-built prejudice of Gentiles.
History will record that Zionism was not "Good for the Jews"...
"Remember those pictures of Palestinians supposedly dancing on rooftops when the Twin Towers fell?"
Actually I would have thought that the "Dancing Israelis" was a more widely discussed 911 story as far as internet meme's go...
link to abcnews.go.com
Guardian "Likud members call for Israeli annexation of West Bank territories"
How long until this becomes the consensus opinion on the situation in Israel...
2 state solution dead
What to do?
NIE predictions not looking good for Israel for some time now
"how about you take a walk around any european country with a kippah on"
Typical comment from paranoid ethnic nationalist - probably never visited Europe...
Much of Europe is equally or more tolerant of diversity than the US.
Why do you think so many young Israelis are emigrating to Berlin etc?
Russian Orthodox Christmas is Jan 7th ;)
This was one of the reasons we didn't want Veolia.
Who would bear the costs incurred if Veolia were declared bankrupt part way into the £4.7 billion contract?
Taxpayers would be the last in line to get their money back - that's for damn sure...
We were surprised when the deputation was blocked. We just expected a bit of fuss from some of the councillors who are Zionists and to be pretty much ignored. That it developed into a local scandal was opportune for us...
Here's the latest from the Hackney Gazette, this doesn't really reflect well on the Mayor and the councillors involved.
link to hackneygazette.co.uk
It's one of my favourites too...
“David, Martin, Jonathan,
Please refrain from putting any more [embarrasing] responses on this site. You are only giving Dobbs, Miranda Molly, Benjamin and the rest a platform [to make us look stupid and bigoted].
Please any intelligent reader of this page will realise what is going on [we are rabid ethnic nationalists and will continue to defend the indefensible]. They will always have to have the last word, so feel free to follow on after I post this [our arguments can't win in a rational debate so probably time to call it quits before we do any more damage by exposing ourselves in a public forum”
We are lucky to have loose cannons like Jonathon Hoffman here in the UK.
Without his indiscreet revelations link to thejc.com I doubt we ever would have found out about the involvement on UK Lawyers for Israel. He simply can't keep his mouth shut and has a pathological need to crow about the bullying tactics he and his cronies employ.
He encounters significant opposition among the Zionist establishment here as he is an attention-seeker and embarrassment to them. You can see the sort of unsavoury character he is here http://hoffmanchronicled.wordpress.com
Nevertheless Stephen Pollard editor of the Jewish Chronicle "The UK's oldest and most widely-read Jewish newspaper" allows Hoffman to have a blog at the newspaper's website link to thejc.com Hoffman uses this blog to engage in petty feuds and to spew his usual bile and misinformation. I suspect many in the UK Jewish community find it all highly embarrassing and rather distasteful and this may be partly responsible for the JC's plummeting readership figures...
I was in the council chamber when Caroline had her deputation blocked.
Zionists seem so driven by their ideological passions that they cannot think strategically. If they had just allowed Caroline to speak the deputation would probably have been ignored and caused very little trouble - but they had to show her that they could prevent her speech. Well frankly it has backfired terribly on them generating a lot of negative and controversial coverage in our local newspapers.
We had no idea of the revelations that would follow:
link to occupynewsnetwork.co.uk
The comments at the Hackney Citizen article reporting the blocking of the deputation are quite revealing of the mindset of our local Zionists (i.e. pretty unhinged...):
link to hackneycitizen.co.uk
The Hackney Gazette also reported the story:
link to hackneygazette.co.uk
The Hackney Citizen then ran an editorial criticising the decision to block the motion:
link to hackneycitizen.co.uk
Now with the news of Veolia pulling out the Hackney Citizen had run another article which further outlines the role of Luke Akehurst, an employee of BICOM (the UK's closest thing to AIPAC) in blocking Caroline's deputation. He formerly worked in PR for the arms industry:
link to hackneycitizen.co.uk
All in all, the blocking of the deputation has contributed greatly to causing exactly the sort of bad publicity I'm sure Veolia are desperate to avoid.
It is very difficult to hold any of the companies complicit in the occupation accountable, as powerful vested interests go to bat for them behind the scenes.
Here's what recently happened in my local borough in London:
link to occupynewsnetwork.co.uk
It really is an uphill battle...
Places where I have travelled Israeli's have a pretty bad rep...
Us brits do too!
They even talk about it in Jewcy: link to jewcy.com
The Guardian are put under enormous pressure by Pro-Israel activists in the UK and I would imagine there is some support from the US as well as the Guardian website is quite well read in the States as an alternative to US corporate media. This website "CIF Watch" link to cifwatch.com was set up specifically to pressurise their comment section (I imagine it was seen as being influential). I'd speculate that it is one of the top targets on the web for organised Hasbara "advocacy" of the GIYUS, Megaphone, JIDF etc variety. Long standing commentators often complain about the change there, and about the moderation policy.
I cannot comment there anymore as I am "pre-moderated". I think it was for suggesting that some "pro-israel" commentators were being organised and sent from the aforementioned advocacy organisations and pasting links to those organisations. At least those were the comments that were deleted before I got banned.
Seafoid, I'd just like to let you know that I find the black humour in the imagery of your comments a merciful relief during my compulsive efforts to keep abreast of the seemingly endless and grim litany of crimes committed on the part of Israel. It is all so horrifying and needless, and your comments illuminate this in a very eloquent way. Thanks
About bloody time...
Israel and the US grow ever closer together - the US and the UK grow apart.
What was that about "closest allies" again?
Escape Velocity, comments like yours just prove what a delusionary bubble "pro-Israel" consciousness is. You haven't got the faintest idea about europe (apart from your wish to be thought of as Europeans - remind me why Israeli teams play in the euro leagues and Israel is in the Eurovision song contest again?)
The likelihood of Europe following down the Israeli path of myopic racism and paranoid nationalism is slim to none - pan-european open borders being a large contributor to this.
Mayhem, nobody gives a shit about Iran here in the uk. The empty vessel makes the most noise...
Ha ha, well with the way Israel and Israelis are increasingly viewed that sounds like a good approach to ensure an empty guest house and a swift return home. Anyone who has travelled extensively knows that Israelis have a pretty terrible reputation as arrogant and boorish (although I can't really talk because I'm from the UK - hah!).
When I lived in Brighton we encountered a group on the beach who were smashing up the fishermans store sheds to make a fire. Me and a mate (who coincidentally had been on a kibbutz) went over to politely tell them that the sheds belonged to someone and they shouldn't do that. They were Israelis and got right up in our faces, basically offering us out for a fight. What they hadn't realised was that we were with a group of 15, when our (more aggressive) mates came and backed us up they soon came over all contrite and left. That was one of the 1st experiences that caused me to question my previous impression of Israel and Israelis. They were so fucking obnoxious, especially to my friend who had tried to use his kibbutz experience as a peace gesture to them, and then such cowards once it was them who were outnumbered...
Ha ha. Good one DS!
I think the verbatim transcripts being discussed are available to read at the NYT.
link to nytimes.com
They actually are quite infuriating to read - the Israelis come across as complete spoiled brats, rude and arrogant to boot.
I'm not American but I'd wager that if the proverbial "Joe Six-Pack" were to be regularly exposed to this as the actual state of relations between Israel and the USA (behind the curtain) - Israel would be looking for a new patron pretty soon...
Around 2003-5 suicide was the leading cause of death in the IDF, it fell a little after special programs were put in place to combat the trend, it is now rising again.
"Half of the 66 non-combat soldiers who died during their service in 2005 committed suicide. Sixteen soldiers were killed in traffic accidents while on leave, nine died of illness, six died during operations and two died under what were identified as other circumstances."
link to ifamericansknew.org
link to ynetnews.com
Oh and by the way Winnica - using the wellbeing of Israeli citizens as a marker of how well things are going is probably not a winning tactic when occurrences of self-immolation in protest at how bad social conditions are have recently made headline news around the world...
"The well-being of nations isn’t defined by popularity polls, but by hard facts such as economics, trade, the full gamut of diplomatic relations; and by the well-being of their citizens."
So basically you are saying although Israel is one of the most negatively viewed countries on earth, that it doesn't really matter because it has these factors in its favour:
Economics/Trade: utterly dependent on Europe and the US and one US veto away from sanctions and complete meltdown.
Diplomatic Relations: ruined with many previous allies (e.g. Turkey), strained and going against public opinion with most of the EU, disastrous with almost all of the developing world. Good with the US but how long can AIPAC et al hold the fort?
Wellbeing of citizens: One of the worst income disparities in the developed world, rule of law and democratic institutions disintegrating, education system failing due to the ideological pressures of Zionism and Ultra-orthodox, quite possibly the most dangerous place in the world to live if one is Jewish.
Is this really the best that you can do?
Winnica, over 24,000 people were surveyed in 22 countries. The overall trend is an increasingly negative perception of Israel around the world. Two African nations and the US - that's it in terms of good news. How long would you bet on the propaganda working in the US? As many have predicted when the tide turns it ain't going to be pretty, and the US veto is the only thing standing between you and sanctions and full on pariah status. Stick your head in the sand if you want. Tick tock tick tock...
Even with all this great news israel ranked behind only Iran and Pakistan as the country that is most negatively viewed.
Oh well at least you're level with North Korea ;)
link to timesofisrael.com
Ha ha. The bots are getting owned in the comments.
This is why "Brand Israel" is doomed to failure. It only flies in the US and Israel - and it's precarious there now.
The only way it can possibly work is in controlled environments - but then you are preaching to the converted.
As soon as these ideas are put on the open market the result is often worse PR than just hunkering down in a cave in fortress Israel.
It's just going to get worse and worse...
Ha ha. I was there - well done London.
Obviously a hotbed of Anti-Semitism ;)
Hah. There used to be NO subs, Bert trautmann the German goal keeper who played for man city played the final 15 mins of the FA cup final with a BROKEN NECK after being injured in a collision. They don't make em like they used to...
When you've bet the house on PR getting you out of jail free...
But Eric Cantona and FIFA are calling you out as human-rights abusers link to 972mag.com
Someone has f**ked up somewhere ;)
I went down last week. Good vibes. Well done people.
Ha ha. Yes it's like magic isn't it. Those pesky protestors, somehow always managing to "get themselves" killed by Israelis. I wonder how it happens...
Goddamn I love this phrase:
There, I said it :)
Yup a version of this has run in the Guardian today and it doesn't read well for Israel. Slowly the terms of reference are changing...
link to guardian.co.uk
Yes but what does the world think of Nelson Mandela and what does the world think of the Apartheid regime now that it is gone. You should have a long hard think about that...
Hophmi, I think you have a serious bone to pick with Mssr's Gere and Clooney, seriously those guys are obsessed with Tibet and South Sudan and it's out of order. Someone should wise them up about Israel to stop their unfair and discriminatory focus!
"Most of world stood silent when 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, so I don’t really give much weight to world opinion.
Most of world does business with China, so I can’t say most of the world has much credibility when it comes to human rights."
Russia lost 20 million people in WWII, China 10 million, many were killed by the Nazis who were not Jewish, I wouldn't exactly say the world stood by, other countries did have some problems of their own to deal with....
It's pretty telling that within one comment you move from comparing Israel's democracy to the USA, to comparing Israel's human rights record to China... Anyway you're going in the right direction and at least you're in the ball-park now.
You've got to be joking. American democracy was formed when slavery was still common place around the world. When Israeli "democracy" was formed we had the universal declaration of human rights, and yet even with this example to look to Israel chose apartheid. Try again, to the rest of the world you're just a bit better than Iran and North Korea
link to haaretz.com
Israel: making the world a better place
Hasbara truly plumbs new depths of desperation.
Can't they see that this is just like a red rag to a bull for "culture jammer" types.
Every poster for Israel that I see on the tube in London is defaced, it's not because London is full of anti-Semites, it's because a large proportion of the public are sick to the back teeth of Israel's governments and their constant fucking lies.
You haven't understood it. Obviously some Jews support war with Iran, they're all over the MSM and they're members of aipac. "Jews" as a homogenous, monolithic bloc is what is referred to here. You are either a pedant, or you lack comprehension skills.
dms - Here you go, link to tibettruth.com
You won't get any joy from the one-track-minders on this website - god knows I've tried
But pop on over to tibet truth - they might be prepared to step out of their China-focused ghetto and look seriously at what is going on in Israel/Palestine.
"the movement is growing"
Last night on BBC4 I watched the last episode of this documentary series about the fight against apartheid in South Africa.
link to clarityfilms.org
I'm not sure how you would get to watch it in the US but I can't recommend it highly enough.
Reading everyday about the awful reality in Palestine I sometimes feel extremely pessimistic. After watching this series I had a momentary burst of extreme optimism!
There are many parallels to the contemporary struggle of the Palestinians in this series and I'm convinced they are not by accident. It feels like one of those cases where you use one example which is currently acceptable in the discourse to speak of another that is currently taboo.
Check it out people, it's inspiring.
Yeah. He ain't that good:
link to youtube.com
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