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  • 'New York Review of Books' calls it 'apartheid' and prepares Americans for the end of the Jewish state
    • There are some people who really never really happy unless they have another group to look down on. So they can say, sure my life is shit, but at least I'm not ______enter ethnic group here_____.

  • We're still losing
    • Well Ive been to Haifa University, and it is a very pretty campus.

      When you arrive their as a non degree seeking student, you have to sign a contract saying you won't visit any Arab areas.

  • Support a Palestinian family fighting to stay together under Israel's citizenship law
    • I really like this idea. It's really important to put a face on these sorts of issues.

      Also more Israeli Arabs should come out and tell their stories, the good and the bad. What exactly they want to see for their future. I think both sides use them to their own advantage (pro Israel use them as evidence of a pluralist society, and anti Zionist can point to inequalities between Jews and non Jews), but we really don't get a lot from them, and a lot of the times, the questions are pretty slanted (asking if they feel freer than if they lived in another Arab country other than do they feel they have completely equal rights to Jewish Israelis).

      So can we get more Arab Israelis to come share their stories on this site? How do they feel about being labelled a demographic threat? Do they prefer to segregate themselves from the Jewish population or would they prefer more integration? What do they think of their representation in Parliament, are they effective or are they merely props to support Israel's claim to be pluralistic? Would they like to see political parties based less on nationality and religion but sharing more common values (ie- a liberal or conservative party made up of Jewish and non Jewish members)? Do they feel loyalty to both Israel and Palestine? If there were to be two states, which side would they choose to be part of? What is there vision for peace, one state, two state? How are their relations with Jewish Israelis- include all the good and the bad?

  • 'NYT' carries water on 'Israeli offer' (but there's a hole in the bucket dear Ethan dear Ethan)
  • LGBTIQ activists: 'What we witnessed was devastating and created a sense of urgency around doing our part to end this occupation'
    • But but but, Tel Aviv was named best gay city! They must be self-hating gays.

    • I shall give a State of the Union style standing ovation for this.

      Did all the Hasbraists trolls go away? I haven't seen a lot of the regulars lately. Maybe I'm not reading the comments of the right threads.

  • Dennis Ross: Still present, but not accounted for
    • If Obama wins, there probably won't be a war. I don't think he'll drastically change any policy, but he'll grow enough of a pair that the Pentagon and intelligence community can tell Israel, no you can't do this.

      I think Israel knows this, so they might try to attack before the election. Maybe as the October surprise to ensure a Republican victory. If Obama doesn't offer Israel the full support of the US, he comes off as looking weak on defense to a pretty significant segment of his base and the undecided. If he does put it all in with Israel, he loses the entire antiwar vote and a majority of the younger vote.

      I think Iran knows a second term Obama is better chance than the Republican candidate for negotiations, so they might delay any form of retaliation against Israeli aggression until after November. If Iran doesn't retaliate against an Israeli attack, it could be the final nail in the coffin for Israel, because it shows that the US cannot keep them from going rouge and the other countries might finally wash their hands of them.

      Israel's only hope is to attack Iran before November 2012, and attack them hard enough that Iran has to retaliate.

  • 'Invented' Palestinian confronts Gingrich at GOP debate
    • I guess there are still more racist votes to be won than Muslim or Latino votes, although apparently the Cuban vote is highly sought after in Florida.

      I've met so many Muslims and Latinos who would be great Republicans if it weren't for the R in Republican standing for Racist. The Democrats take their votes, but they don't offer them anything special. They just say, "Vote for us, because the guy who set your mosque on fire or assaults you at night votes for the other guys."

    • If gingrich gets the nomination, Sheldon is going to implant a buzzer in gingrich. If he says the wrong thing, he gets a shock.

  • Quoting Israelis, 'NYT' front pager says Iran will take a military strike lying down (won't even raise oil prices!)
    • And unlike your laughabley incompetent CIA and NSA, our intelligence is never wrong. Don't even get us started on your TSA.

      Your police agencies watch racist propaganda films, if we were in charge, all the Muslims would be in internment camps in South Dakota, and we'd build a huge concrete wall to keep the illegal immigrants out- only instead of building it along the current border, it would be built just north of Mexico City. For security measures, of course.

      BTW, Obama, the check for February is late. We won't charge you interest since you were so nice during the SOTU, but don't push it. Also, call BiBi in the morning, he has some things he wants to talk about.

    • It's to keep readers like my parents happy. They already think NYT is too critical of Israel. They find BBC too critical as well and CNN is "centrist," but the reporting is incredibely low brow.

      If the NYT really started criticizing Israel, I have no idea what they would do. They are very stereotypical NYT "elitist liberals," so they won't switch to the Wall Street Journal, and I don't think the Washington Post is cultured enough for them.

    • PZ, an 18 year old protestor in Bahrain was killed while in police custody.it appears he was tortured, where's your concern about that, you hypocrite?

    • Oh shut up. You don't give a shit about the Syrians. Even if there is regime change, the next Syrian government isn't going to be more pro-Israel. It's just another country your prime minister can whine about falling to Islamism.

  • 'Tablet' says writers who talk about Israel Firsters are channeling Hitler
    • I was being sarcastic

    • Um says the guy who served in the Israeli army while maintaining his US citizenship.

    • But yourstruly, my grandparents survived the Holocaust. They tried to destroy all my family and our religion. We need the state of Israel from protecting us from it ever happening again. So by criticizing it, you're suggesting that there should be another Holocaust.

      If this argument can be made in regards to any criticism, then you can't say anything about them. If you do want to make a criticism, you have to say 4 nice things about Israel and 2 bad things about the Palestinians and neighboring Arabs in the same statement.

    • I submitted it to yo is this racist. I hope he gets to respond. Not like YITR? is an authoritative source on anything, but it's fun.

  • New checkpoint method: gassing Palestinian cars with unknown chemical
    • Wait, what is this supposed to achieve? Wow that is just evil.

    • The US loves testing on brown people. See the Tuskeegee experiments and the recent revelation we were infecting mentally ill people in Guatemala to study how disease progresses over time. Israel is the US's younger sibling watching us put firecrackers in frogs so they could do it too.

    • Here- were going to spray you with shit and you can tell us what it is. Extra credit if you can list all the long term side effects.

      I had a sick idea flash in my mind for a second. What if the IDF started exposing Palestinians to shit that could cause huge spikes in infertility and infant mortality. That would solve the demographic threat- wouldn't it? Considering that European settlers were handing out small pox blankets a few centuries ago, it's not so improbable.

  • 'Pending good behavior,' authorities grant a bookseller the right to live in the city of his birth for 2 more years
    • There was an article on Slate on Adelson's reasons for supporting Gingrich and they specifically mentioned Israel. I didn't know he owns several media outlets in Israel. He's like their Rupert Murdoch or something.

  • Bonanza for Bedouins (the visions of American-Israeli environmentalist Alon Tal)
    • Ugh ugh ugh. If that was the case they wouldn't have been living there for at least 1400 years. Most likely, before Israelis started encroaching on their territory, they could move from place to place, allowing an area of land to replenish itself. By settling on their grazing areas, the Bedouin are not able to allow the land enough time to replenish on its own. I won't even begin to speculate where all that water used for irrigation is coming from or what areas it was providing water to before it was diverted to more "practical use"

      Dr. Tal must be a big fan of the outcome of the supreme court case: johnson v Mcintosh in 1823. Here's the most relavent part...
      "According to every theory of property, the Indians had no individual rights to land; nor had they any collectively, or in their national capacity; for the lands occupied by each tribe were not used by them in such a manner as to prevent their being appropriated by a people of cultivators. All the proprietary rights of civilized nations on this continent are founded on this principle. The right derived from discovery and conquest, can rest on no other basis; and all existing titles depend on the fundamental title of the crown by discovery"

    • Do you think it's a need to prove that they are more "deserving" of the land. That they think, "Silly Arabs, not taking advantage of all these resources. That's why they don't deserve it- they won't recognize it's true potential"

      It's pretty much the same argument made by the American settlers about Native Americans, before they obliterated the native buffalo and wolf populations.

  • The antiwar movement must rise again. Now
    • I agree, that opposition to Mideast wars is much more all encompassing than in Iraq. Some of my friends who went off and joined the military were very gung-ho about Iraq, and I came across a huge swarth of Bush supporters who claimed that it was really WWII that brought us out of the depression and that war was good for the economy, so even if the whole thing is a bust, well all turn out all right. None of these people are singing that song now. I think all the old channels are trying to start the drumbeat for war again, but the public is not biting this time. We can't judge by the Republican debates, since its a very pre-selected group and they're part of the war machine themselves. When the troops from Afghanistan start coming home, and there's no GI Bill or social programs waiting, and the solution for their high unemployment is another war with Iran, it's not going to be a pretty sight.

      I understand what's to like about Ron Paul's foreign policy. If the economy were stronger, I would consider a vote for him, although he would need to be 3rd party and not as a republican. But I haven't found a job in over a year and before that I was working retail and making under 20,000 with no benefits. I really need to put the economy ahead of my foreign policy wishlist for now. Although I'm not sure I'll vote for Obama either. I'm probably staying home or voting for a more leftist 3rd party. Maybe voting for FDRs reanimated corpse as a write in. NJ is in the bag for Obama, although they pretend it's up in the air every election cycle.

      Also, I like having my birth control pills and access to women's health services. When I got kicked off my parents insurance, I was able to get the Pill for cheap at PP. The Republicans scare me a bit on those issues, even Ron Paul. I'm looking for jobs anywhere at this point, and if I end up in a state that's not as woman friendly, I'd like to have some women's health access.

  • New additions to the Mondoweiss comments policy
  • The agenda behind the anti-Muslim film screened to NYPD: protecting Greater Israel
    • BTW- who is the Mondoweisser who comments on Gawker all the time? They link back to this site a lot, and make references to subjects and events discussed here. Honestly, I really enjoy your comments there.

    • I had the local CBS news affiliate on, and they were talking about the bishop of New York becoming a cardinal and how he was planning his trip to Israel. Blah blah blah holy sites, meeting with leaders, throwaway comment about visiting Muslim sites too. (this station must seriously cater to old Jews, because any Antisemitism in the area goes top billing and not a word about this story this week) They had some rabbi on raving about the good relations the bishop has with the Jewish community.

      My mom came in the room, and said, "Some Jews will fall for anything"

  • Bad career move by Tilda Swinton
    • I still can't wait for the movie with him and the wolves.

    • Her career kind of rests on being an outlier. Her adrogynous looks and her less commercial roles, I don't think Hollywood studio heads are going to be that concerned about it. She's just being "edgy" and "controversial", she's not Rachel Ray in a scarf that slighly resembled a keffiyeh. Besides, the picture is in British Vogue, while they have their own Zionist forces, Palestinian solidarity is not such an anomaly there. She's shaking the boat, but not too hard.

      Weinstein releasing Miral had a much greater impact than this will.

      If she makes a statement at an awards show, or wears the scarf in the US, maybe, until then it's edgy fashion.

    • Ugh, that shit bothers me so much. If there was an equally famous Arab talent who could pull it off, maybe. But he's a British Orthodox Jew. Some of his fake Kazych language was Hebrew. It comes off as supremely condiscending, regardless of his political views.

      Secondly, the Egyptians already made this movie. it was called El Diktator. It was absolutely terrible. Funny for the first 15 minutes, but the rest was painfully bad. I don't remember why my friend and I didn't leave during intermission.

    • Let's not get too carried away here with Mel Gibson. His issue with Jews is more of the classic Antisemitism, not about Israel.

      I did really like the Beaver though. Suffering from depression and the effects it has on the people around you, it really moved me.

      I kind of wish he would do the movie on the Maccabees. Antisemitism aside, he really pulls out all the stops when it comes to historical epics, and he doesn't whitewash the violence. He's the only director I know who could shoot it with the characters speaking in Aramaic and not romanticizing the story. Less about the oil lasting for eight days, more historical guerilla warfare against the Assyrians.

    • HBO is premium TV, it's meant for upper middle class to upper class households who subscribe to the New York Times. Their vision of the extreme left is Bill Maher. Its firmly Hollywood establishment. (there was a documentary love letter to Israel and how wonderful they are to refugees on last month). If you want to see a change in tone from Hollywood, you're not going to get it from HBO, at least when it comes to Israel/Palestine.

      Really, the only things that I really enjoy is Breaking Bad and the Walking Dead, neither of which deal with anything foreign policy related. Anything else is recorded for mindless entertainment.

  • Video: Atlanta Jewish Times publisher's tearful anti-apology
  • Ynet manufactures new threat to promote Ben White book
    • Sorry I didn't come back to add my brilliant contributions, but here they are:

      Godzilla
      King Kong
      the inevitable fight between Godzilla and King Kong
      Predator
      Ninjas
      Ron Paul
      My demographic terror plan (young Jewish women having lots of half Arab babies)
      The secret plan that all Muslims in the region are going to choose a date and time and collectively let out a tremendous fart.

    • I'm sorry, I also forgot... UFO attacks. I think extra terrestrials have some claim over the temple mount that's 100,000 years old. I guess everyone wants that piece of land don't they?

      Zombies are another potential threat. Zombies are known antisemites. Israel would be surrounded by hostile zombie neighbors. There aren't enough bullets to shoot all those oncoming zombies in their heads

      Vampires are also antisemites. Werewolves are equal opportunity devourers.

      Meteors. Israel may have nukes, but they don't have a space shuttle or bruce willis to launch into space to stop it.

      I'll think of more threats throughout the day.

    • We can't forget the most dangerous threat to
      Israel... Dinosaurs

  • Why Christian Zionism is nothing short of outright heresy
  • Military indoctrination at Nazi death camps stokes... universal democratic values!
    • Well I wouldn't be surprised if their are two reactions.

      One, especially among young adults, who are sheltered from the ugliness of the Occupation, is blind patriotism and support for the country.

      The others, probably have some experience dealing with the other side and have seen some of the uglier behavior in the Occupied Territories. They might work with Arab population regularly, and can not view them merely as the "other". Recognizing similarities in the methods of dehumanization, or breaking a suspect down might make them slightly uncomfortable.

  • Report: Israel to give US only 12-hour warning before attacking Iran because Netanyahu doesn't trust Obama
    • Well the problem is the US is not in Iraq to shoot the weapons down.

      Do you think the Israelis would even listen to us as this point? Especially in an election year where the almighty Jewish campaign contribution is on the line? They know very very well that we won't touch them. Even if someone had the balls to make that threat, the lobbyists will start buzzing and the SuperPAC money will churn and somehow congress will pass a resolution stating that the American military can not shoot at an Israeli anything.

      Yes I'm aware this is not how it works... But no matter what we tell them, Israel will attempt to circumvent us and try to make themselves the victims of mean old antisemite Obama.

    • Maybe they assigned lots of Jewish sailors on the ship? Don't make the Iranians shoot them, these are potential Aaliyah recruits!

    • Well israel could show good will and halt the construction of new settlements. I'm not entirely sure why you think the outcome should be anything different, what new and bold steps towards a peace deal are the Israelis offering? The Palestine Papers from last year revealed that the Palestinians offered numerous concessions, including drastically cutting back the concept of a Palestinian controlled East Jerusalem and cut a huge percentage of the number of refugees that the Israelis would be responsible for and the Israelis still said no. I think it's the responsibility of Israelis who want peace via two state solution to ask their leadership, "What exactly are you holding out for?"

    • I think the Saudis are trying to promise that they would make up for any shortfalls that would come from the absence of Iranian oil on the market, but I'm not entirely sure they can actually do it.

  • Children in Nabi Saleh play their favorite game called 'Mustafa Tamimi' during weekly protests
  • New book Palestinians in Israel explores the contradiction of the ‘Jewish and democratic’ state
    • The plight of the Native Americans in the United States and their ongoing problems is actually a really fascinating topic. It does make you really really angry, especially when you look at the statistics on how the remaining Native Americans live today.

  • Obama begins push for Jewish support in 2012 by touting the 'unbreakable bond' between Israel and the US
    • It's really sad that mass suicide is really the only way to draw attention to the issue.

      Also, Americans have weird ideas about border security. Some might get off on the idea of shooting non violent civilians attempting to cross a border, especially if those people are darker skinned and poor.

  • The Mondo crew hosts WBAI’s 'Beyond the Pale' to discuss Ron Paul, Dennis Ross and the myth of Obama's 'Jewish problem'
    • Its a common technique in property law. If the government owns the land, the Palesinians that used to live there have no legal right to claim it. If, however, the land belongs to a private citizen, the Palestinians can use the papers that they have prior to 1948 to claim ownership of the land.

      Is uggest you look very closely at land ownership laws in Israel. If the land leased to the property owners or is it outright sold? I have a feeling it's probably leased because that is the only way to you could effectively banning the sale of land to Palestinian families. It also ensures if the land is abandoned, it goes back to the government, and Palestinian families could not squat on the land and claim ownership via that method.

      I'm not a lawyer in property law, but I had a friend explain to me how foreigners "buy" land in Egypt. If there are any lawyers, who have access to Israel property law codes, they should settle this debate.

  • Shlomo Blass honors Martin Luther King... and does Blackface
    • Anytime anyone shows a MEMRI video, I'm going to link this right back. Got that Hasbra trolls? This video will haunt you!

    • Not just leftists but everyone in Israel should ashamed of that video.

      I'm curious of the Israelis of American dissent, seeing blackface, they don't have an initial gut reaction of disgust? Al Jolson aside, blackface and mistrel shows are a very dark spot in US history. In fact, there has yet to be a case where blackface comedy doesn't manage to trot out old negative stereotypes. I see they got the African savage cannibal stereotype down to a tee. Congrats, latma, next time I want to see Mammy and little black sambo.

      Also there is no way you can claim that blackface doesn't have the same cultural stigma that it does in the US. The Dutch Zwaarte Pete, Santas black faced little person servant, is some racist shit. A clue something might be racist is if you can't find a person of African descent to help you make your video, or after reading your script, you are too embarrassed to show it to a person of African heritage because it's just that damn offensive.

      Not to mention Caroline Glick, she should hand over her US passport in shame, because she had a hand in creating this shit. Seriously, it's like she left the US for Israel because she didn't feel she could express her racism enough here.

      This is what happens when racists try to produce satire.

    • I had to look that up. OMG, it's terrible. I always thought the whole international pavilion thing was such lameness. No, you can't experience a country and culture from a gift shop a restaurant and a short ride. Its for fat corn fed Americans who can't be bothered to expand their cultural awareness except for a few stereotypes (France= wine and cheese, Germans drink beer, Mexicans wear sombreros and eat tacos, and Africans are savages in loin cloths with spears) Considering how expensive it is to go to Disney World, a trip to Europe would probably me a much more rewarding experience.

      Anyone who is concerned about Jerusalem should be sighing in relief that it was never completed, because it would have been terrible. How do you suck the soul out of something and take away any historic meaning to a place- have Disney recreate it for you on a plot of land in central Florida. There was absolutely nothing to gain except Israel gains another forum to declare Jerusalem to be theres and theres alone. Which is what they were trying to do in the Millenium Village pavillion they set up.

      Here's some more on the Millenium village controversy:
      link to washingtonpost.com

      Wow, that really really made me mad.

  • 'NYT' and 'Haaretz' and world opinion are now greatest threat to Israel, Netanyahu reportedly said
  • 'Forward' says many Jewish university presidents feel 'loyalty' to Israel
    • My experience is University presidents are tremendous dick nozzles. There is so much dirt and corruption going on, it really depresses you.

      I went to GW, which is Foggy Bottom in DC, which is a very nice historical area with pretty townhouses,which the University demolishes to build super luxury dorms. Also, despite the fact that there is a huge lack of classrooms and administration space, the space that was once the old University hospital is being developed primarily for commercial use so they can rent out the space to businesses. And the tuition is one of the highest in the country.

  • Video: Settlers claim olive oil as 'Israeli'
    • I think their decision to plant non- native trees to the area and altering the landscape with little or no forethought to the long term consequences, as an attempt to prove how modern and sophisticated they are as opposed to the "primitive" local population is a strong indication of lack of respect for the land.

  • US Congress stomps on Palestinian 'Sesame Street' but funds Israeli version
    • How much does it require to produce the show? Is there a way the money can be donated to the CTW privately in order for them not to pull the plug on it. I know, there are a lot of things Palestinians need ahead of Sesame Street, but small things like this help a lot.

      I'm willing to use all the money I didnt spend on Israeli products because of BDS to help keep Palestinian Sesame Street on.

      (I'm taking all the food my mom buys that comes from Israel or is made by Israeli companies to the food bank. My mom thinks I'm gorging on hummus, dates, and yaffa oranges. Should I keep doing this if my moms response is to go back to the store and buy MORE of this stuff? It feels like Im not really helping the cause)

    • I think the point of Sesame Street was to help provide an educational material for urban children whos parents may not have been able to afford to send them to preschool. When it comes to exporting the series to other countries with different cultures, I think Children's Television Workshop rightly believed that the material provided should be culturally relevant to the child in order to be more engaging and prepare them for entering their own schools.

      I think one of the reasons the United States sponsors the international versions is that Children's Televison Workshop is very protective of the characters they use and want to have 100% creative control over the whole process. If Israel or any other government steps up and starts funding it, they're going to want to have more editorial control and pretty soon, Bert, Ernie, or Big Bird might say or do something that goes against the brand. Also, the most important thing about Sesame Street is that it is not commercially funded. So the kids aren't being brainwashed into mindless consumers, like other children's brands ie Disney or Viacom's Nikelodeon. Yes the CTW produces merchandise, but it maintains a quality control standard. You dont see Sesame Street candy or sugary cereal. Again, by having countries investing money into Sesame Street, they can demand license to use the characters in their own advertisements.

      Honestly, I consider Jim Henson and his creations to be national treasures. By funding different versions of Sesame Street to show to kids all over the world, it's like the Unites States is sharing our treasure with the rest of the world. Especially with children, who often get the short end of the stick in a lot of countries. There is lots of things about USAID I consider wasteful, but Sesame Street is not on that list.

      I think depriving Palestinian children Sesame Street is petty and cruel. The children aren't responsible for any political actions the Palestinians are taking.

  • Gingrich says his backer's 'central value' is Israel (and NBC drops the subject)
    • True Hawaii is gay marriage and medical marijuana. Not worth saving.

    • You can look up Adelsons records of philanthropy. He has two pet causes- Republicans and Israel.

    • But the Russians are willing to pretend to be Jewish, nominally in some cases.

      I'm talking about inviting those hard core evangelicals who watch the 700 club, read the left behind series, and really only care about the Jewish state till judgement day. The CUFI crowd, Glenn Becks, and the Santorums of America. How long before the Jews start taking them in because they'd keep the "white" population in the majority and they would form an Anti-Arab block in government. Plus they could put the Evangelicals as soldiers in the army to make up for the lazy Ultra Orthodox Jews who won't serve. They would be all for living in settlements in areas that have historic ties to Jesus, no matter how dangerous it was. They may be able to squeeze an extra "holy land" tax on them, because they're not Jews, which can be used to provide funds for supporting the Ultra Orthodox.

      Unless there is a major swing in Israeli policy, I give them 10 years before they start considering this option.

    • Hawaii and Guam serve as strategic points because they provide a stop over between the Western coast of the united states and east Asia.

      It's not very likely, but plausible at some future point, China might covet one of these locations. I don't really see it happening, but maybe a future Chinese government may have more expansionist aims.

    • There may come a point where in order to counter the Demographic threat, the Israeli government could hold their nose and let non Jews into Israel, provided they're super anti Arab.

      Adelson is Jewish.

  • Jesse Lieberfeld is a, a fake, b, about to be swallowed by a whale, c, the Jewish future
  • Santorum's pulp hasbara
  • MLK and the peace process
    • I kind of feel like Sharpton is a bit of a fraud- he looks for opportunities for money and publicity. I think he cares very much about black issues, but on everything else, he follows the trends. I don't think he's a great candidate to support the Palestinian cause. I think the best people to represent the movement are young educated articulate Palestinians and anti Zionist Jews who do not fold under the tremendous pressure. Both groups are the ones most significantly affected, and it dispels the notion that there is some predetermined cause for Arabs and Jews not getting along, and that the source of this conflict is more political than religious.

      Also the one state solution needs to be promoted much more strongly as a serious and legitimate option. I think the Palestinian population at large, and not the political leadership, needs to be informed exactly how it is much more viable than a two state solution. Young people from both sides can come together and come up with ideas how to handle issues such as a national reconciliation, religious freedoms, refugee status, how to control extremists from both sides,etc so there's a blueprint as to how this whole process will work and people will be less freaked out over the whole thing.

  • Reports of Mossad role in assasination shine light on Israeli hypocrisy
    • I can imagine the outcry if Iranian agents, or Palestinian for that matter, murdered a scientist at the Technion, who just happened to be working on some new drone technology. The widow and the kids would be making the rounds crying on television and talking about what a family man he was, how nice and kind he was, and how he was so smart, and using his intelligence to make the world a better place (by building drones...). They would hold up his cute little daughter and say, "How could you let this girl grow up without a father, you monsters!!!"

      Apparently only white people get to separate their work from their family lives. Everyone else can't be a father, a husband, a friend, a neighbor, a scholar, a patriot (true, im not fond of the Iranian regime, but if Israelis on this board can crow about their patriotism, Iranians can too) etc... Non white people can only be nuclear scientists, as if they mean he lived in his castle on a hilltop where it was always stormy, constantly scheming how to find new ways to make Israelis lives that much worse, alongside his hunchbacked assistant. If his wife or kids were in the car, the Israeli media would only say- "well, they should have recognized he was a bad man plotting to hurt people and not ridden in a car with him."

  • Oh, the outrage! 'Haaretz' runs 'Pinkwashing' piece from NYT!
    • Haha being named the Best Gay City for 2011 is absolutely meaningless.

      Here is the truth behind your precious prize

      1. American Airlines wants to sell more tickets to Tel Aviv so they decide to promote TelAviv to gay people, hoping when they go to Tel Aviv, they decide to fly American Airlines. In fact, they have some great package deals right now.

      2. Israel wants to market Tel Aviv as the gay destination. They pay American Airlines for the honor. This is common in marketing. Like how every company has some award from JD Power and Associates, the company basically bought themselves the prize.

      3. If this was the result of a vote, Israel internet trolls can flood the votes. Stephen Colbert does this a lot, finding an online poll with a write-in candidate and instructing his audience to write in his name.

      link to gaycities.com
      43% of the vote?!? And New York got only 14% New Orleans only gets 4%. This doesn't just hint of ballot stuffing, it's flashing ballot stuffing with a neon sign.

      Enjoy your fake award

  • Today in Pittsburgh, Jesse Lieberfeld, 17, will deliver a hammer blow to American Jewish support for Israel
    • Seriously??? Your point has been completely invalidated by that definition.

      Here is the definition of a nation from Wikipedia: A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, and/or history. In this definition, a nation has no physical borders.

      It is impossible to leave a "nation", because you'll still share the same ethnicity, descent, or history with that nation.

    • Anyway Witty, my earlier point can be made using this example:

      My friend says: Your mom is a really nice lady, it's too bad she's racist.

      If I take the Zionist route, I can end my friendship with this person because he called my mom a racist. My mom is totally not a bad person, why would he call her a racist! He must be racist to think my mom is racist. After all she only wants to make sure the grandchildren are Jewish and keep the tradition going. It's anti semitic to assume that's not a positive.

      Or I can take the universalist approach: Yeah it's a shame. If I marry an Arab guy, I hope he has the patience to deal with this. Regardless, once I start giving her grandchildren, she's going to be so happy she won't not care what their ethnic or religious makeup is.

    • I think that's the paradox of Judaism. We can consider ourselves a race or a religion.

      If Judaism is only a religion, then eee is right and I am not Jewish.

      If Judaism is a race, then even if I reject everything that Judaism stands for, I am still Jewish, because I can't change my DNA.

      The best thing about eee, is that he's already admitted to being atheist, meaning he views Judaism as a race, and not a religion (since as an atheist, he rejects the religious aspect of Judaism). Therefore, he can't wave his hand and declare non religious anti zionists as not being Jewish.

      Black people may have many bad things to say about Michael Steele or Herman Cain, however, nobody denies that they're African American.

      I think eee views people like me and Jesse as "Uncle Toms", he was just not aware of that phrase.

    • People in general are sheep. It takes a person with a position of leadership, someone who is valued for their opinion to set the example for their followers.

    • So Witty, if your Jewish family is actively racist against Arabs, you shouldn't call them out on it?

      Example- I lived in Egypt for an extended period of time, so I have a lot of friends of Arab or Muslim descent. One of my friends is a pilot for Egypt Air and he comes to the States every few weeks or so on business. When I go visit him, my mom will cheerfully ask what I'm going to be doing in New York, when I tell her I'm going to meet the pilot, her face and voice harden up in an instant. This is with someone with who I have zero romantic interest in. She does not have this reaction when I brought home a Latino boyfriend or any other race, religion, or nationality. She's already told me several times that she does not want Arab grandchildren.

      Please tell me how this is different than if I lived in Alabama and my mom or dad would freak out that I'm dating black men.

    • It's just as hard when it's your own family that disagree with you.

    • I fully appreciate what non Jews go through when they attempt to join the conversation, and I really admire them for facing the challenges that come up when discussing this topic. I was probably a bit of Zionist mouthpiece when I was in Middle School and early in high school, because my only information on Israel came from the Synagouge or my mother. I would say keep fighting the good fight.

    • At the time, the Arab world was not progressive, hostile to anything new, including a great deal of hostility to anything that rocked the boat.

      Actually, at that time the Arab world was at its most progressive. They were very anti-colonial, which means they bared a deep animosity towards Britain and France for the decades of colonial rule. They sought to assert themselves as independent of their former masters. They also attempted to avoid becoming entangled in the Cold War as a client state for either the United States or the Soviet Union. So the refusal to go along with US policy goals would probably make them appear hostile to the West, in terms of US Cold War policy.

      The main reason there was not much talk about the Arab world, was primarily because there were really no Arab voices on the global stage to talk about the crisis. The only people really focused on the region were policy makers (white men in the state department) or Jews. The leading Arab figure at the time, Abdel Nasser, was considered a Soviet client by the mid to late 60s, so it's very doubtful that any news media discussed what he said at all. If Americans thought anything about "Arabia", it was some fantasy of Lawrence of Arabia and 1001 Nights.

      So it's not surprising that Dr King would not mention the Arabs specifically, but he did make his opinion on colonialism and US Cold War policy very clear. It would be safe to assume he included North Africans and the Middle East when he talked about Africa, or the third world in general.

      Witty, please read some history books not written explicitly in the pro-Israel perspective. I'm getting tired of correcting you.

    • Sympathizing with the Jewish people's plight doesn't mean he supported taking the land of an indigenous population. He was very critical of more militant black groups who condoned the use of violence against white people, or believed that white people were inferior to blacks, but it doesn't mean he didn't understand where they came from.

      I'm sure if you asked him today what the best way to deal with the situation, he would say a one state solution where Arabs and Jews had equal rights and the state was explicitly not a "Jewish, Muslim, or Christian" state. So in the terms of Zionists, he would want to anililate Israel.

    • I know, but if the spiritual leader of the community can't take a stand- who will???

    • segrevasion now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!!- eee

      eee, Southern white Americans and South Africans believed they had a great system that was worth preserving too. The uppity black people didnt know their society and needed to be reminded, with violence if necessary, to maintain the social order theyhad constructed. History doesn't look back on them kindly.

    • No there are more of the purebred Jews who don't support Israel than you think... a lot of the times were very quiet about it because it upsets our family members when they learn about our views.

    • That's the response that makes my blood boil. There's plenty of things the American Jewish community can do. The most obvious thing is switching from sending tzedacha to the JNF and pick an organization that has a real track record for activities that don't further the occupation.

    • I'm sorry Witty, but this entire generation is idealistic. We grew up with Oslo and we expected peace and a two state solution. How many people in their twenties do you interact with anyway? I would suggest going to your friends and ask their children or grandchildren what they think about the situation.

    • There's a third group, which is the Jewish kids who just avoid thinking about the topic all together. Usually they're the product of interreligious marriages or they're like my brother, who just really could not give two craps either way. My brother's focus is on CNBC and his fraternity brothers. He did go on Birthright, but it was for a free vacation and his frat brother was going too.

      Both sides want to claim these as our own (zionists claim they haven't settled down yet and non zionists stress their lack of connection to the Jewish state), but I think they are their own unique group.

    • Yes, somehow interviewing 400 Jewish undergraduates at the Hillel might not get you the most accurate picture of what all undergraduate Jewish youth is thinking. What about all the Jews who don't actively participate in Jewish life on campus? I went to GW, which has a very large Jewish population, yet most of us were involved in other activities. Did the people doing the research go down the list of registered students and call anyone with a Jewish last name?

    • This is exactly the same thoughts I went through, as well as a lot of my friends.

      What it came down to was justice vs. ethnic identity. My Jewish friends and I who are not zionists view the conflict in universal terms- we've put aside our own ethnicities and focused on the facts on the ground. It's recognition that our upbringing comes with a bias, which can distort our world view. The people I know who still support Israel feel they are culturally obliged to support Israel, and when you start challenging them with facts, they shut down and go into auto response.

  • Sundance Film Festival to feature doc on system of control in longest-running occupation
  • Breaking report: US/Israel military drill cancelled, after US tells Israel to back off
    • I think it's really about the events this past week. The Iranian scientist plus the Foreign Policy piece. It's just too much.

      I don't think the US is really going to start changing its stance on Iran, or it's relationship with Israel, but had they gone through with the doing the military excercise, then it's another provocation Iran can add to the list of: Evidence that the United States and Israel want to go to war with us. The United States really does not want this war. Nobody can say that besides Ron Paul, because they are all chasing AIPAC dollars and votes, so the Republican candidates will bluster on about how Obama is weak on Iran, while Obama keeps his finger in the dike hoping that he doesn't have to change his policy of "seriously concerned about the Iranian situation" until Novemeber. The Likud government in Israel knows this is what he's doing so they're going to keep up the pressure and hope that a crisis with Israel and Iran will lead to Obama's defeat.

      I don't have a lot of hope left for Obama, but if he wins in November, my one wish is his first phone call is to curse out Bibi and spend the next four years sticking it to him every chance he gets. When he writes his memoir, he needs to include a chapter called 101 reasons Bibi is a dick.

  • 'NYT' Travel section features visit to another planet
    • Eh- it reminds me of people who carry on and on about how luxurious and beautiful Dubai is, while intentionally ignoring the ongoing abuse of expat labor. I couldnt enjoy myself at all because I looked at every worker wondering how much they were paid and when was the last time they saw their family. So whenever I see some travel special where the host is gushing about being treated like royalty in Dubai, I get a little angry. It's the same kind of anger I get when I read this article. Its certainly possible to enjoy a trip to Israel, but it involves a certain level of selfishness to actively ignore things you feel are wrong.

    • I propose he goes back to Jerusalem after changing the name on his passport to Mohammed Abdullah, his country of origin to Jordan, Lebanon, or Syria, while wearing a keffiyeh and he takes the same exact trip and writes about his experience then. I'd be fascinated to hear about his opinions of those fascinating security sweeps

  • Bibi throws in with GOP, Democratic base turns critical, and Israel finally becomes partisan wedge issue like abortion -- Blumenthal
    • Easy, all you have to do is look at what other organizations he funds. Then you get a very good pictures of what his intention is

  • Palestinian hackers occupy an Israeli government website
    • What bout asherpat... I you google his name- he comments on a whole lot of other sites too. Always about Israel. Danmazella too. I've seen witty on some other sites too, but I don't think he's paid.

    • Of our resident hasbarists, who do you think is getting one of these paychecks?

  • Why aren't the best and the brightest in our MSM?
  • WINEP official says U.S. strategy is aimed at provoking 'Pearl Harbor' that justifies war with Iran
    • I may not like the Iranian government, but angry speeches aside, they have been shown remarkable restraint against attacking the US or Israel the past few years. How would the United States react if Iran were planting bombs on cars of Lockheed Martin employees? Israeli government officials and the public at large are howling for the blood of a Saudi kid who published credit card info. They found a drone that the US was using to spy on them.

  • 13 year old Palestinian girl in wheelchair victim of hit and run by Israeli settlers
    • It reminds me a bit of the end of Natural Born Killers when Tommy Lee Jones was the prison warden and the prison was overcrowded and tensions were rife, but he was arrogantly strolling through the prison oblivious to the impending chaos. When the prison exploded into riots, there were just too many prisoners that he got surrounded, even when the prison guards tried to protect him. I think the directors cut shows his head on a pole at the end.

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