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  • My family's Nakba story
  • 'NYT' reporter says Palestinians must make 'concessions... they have long avoided'
    • @annie

      Hmmm...
      I never claimed that 476 defined what was Jewish or Israeli, I was simply replying to Talknic's bogus interpretation. And you are correct, all or part of it could be Palestine by treaty, but that is hardly a position endorsed on this blog, it is mondocorrect to declare East Jerusalem as Palestinian.

      And I have read the entirety of the comment policy including the part concerning personal attacks which you personally routinely ignore in favor of your like minded friends. Rarely does a pro-Israeli comment pass without torrents of juvenile name calling (who says stupid, stupid man anyway?). It is abundantly clear that the site preference is not to encourage discussion between opposing views but to chase off whoever disagrees.

      But of course this is Adam and Phil's site and they make the rules. And they obviously give you wide latitude in interpreting those rules. Including an overly generous interpretation of site violation. BTW, nothing in comments policy about ethnic cleansing so I guess you get to make up some of your own rules.

      So lets stick with bare facts. Muslim population of Jerusalem...
      1967 54,963
      2011 281,000
      That's strange, it seems to be increasing.

      And regarding "Judaization", Jerusalem has been majority Jewish for over a century and the Jewish people are indigenous to the area. That's liking making water wet.

    • @talknic You keep posting propaganda nonsense! Why?
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      In a futile attempt to provide some balance in this echo chamber that you and your friends have constructed ("To publish a diversity of voices to promote dialogue on these important issues." Flat out lie )

      There is nothing in 476 that defines part of Jerusalem as the State of Palestine. There is nothing that precludes it from finally being recognized as Israel by treaty. It does refer to Arab territories (noticeably avoiding the name of a State, thereby admitting it is not Palestine) but I reject your RACIST conclusion that it therefore belongs to Arabs.

    • You were unaware that the Palestinians demand the division of Jerusalem? That they have made it a red line issue? I seriously doubt that. But nice attempt at a snarky comment.

    • "I have a question for the Times. What “concessions” ..."

      1. Jerusalem
      2. RoR

  • Updated Security Council resolution calls for East Jerusalem as Palestinian capital, Israel says UN creating 'second Hamastan'
    • What a farce, of course no country should support it. No state or person with half a brain would support a process that is formulated to provide to the Palestinians nearly everything they demand in the absence of the Israelis agreeing to provide everything they demand.

      And in return the Palestinians are pretending to offer an end of all claims that they are wholly incapable of delivering.

  • 'Desperate' Senator Graham promises 'violent backlash' by Congress if Palestinians go to UN
  • Bypassing Israel: The necessity of recognition in European capitals
    • Essentially every state in the international community has made it clear since at least the 1970s that the Palestinian people are entitled to a sovereign state on the 22 percent of Mandatory Palestine that Zionist forces did not conquer in 1948.

      Nonsense. A small fraction of states the have recognized Palestine have additionally recognized its borders based on 1967 lines.

  • Debunking Netanyahu's propaganda on Jerusalem
    • No sense in Fisking the entire essay as so much up front is just plain wrong...

      2. False. This statement denies the existence in Jerusalem of Christian Israelis, Arab (non-Jewish) Israelis, atheists, Druze, etc... All of whom have the right to vote. Ridiculous.

      3. Jerusalem is not the capital of Palestine despite Palestinian claims to the contrary. Perhaps, God forbid, it will be some day. But it is not today.

      4. Nonsense. Local farmlands happen to include those within Israel itself. And goods from Israel are not imported, there is no border or customs between Jerusalem and Israel.

  • Israeli attacks on Al Quds University give new meaning to 'academic freedom'
    • What a remarkably context free story. Peaceful hacky-sack and Frisbee playing students are stormed by evil Zionists for absolutely no reason at all.

      Totally believable.

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  • Israel bans renowned doctor and human rights activist Mads Gilbert from entering Gaza for life
    • They are not, if the good Dr. would like to go to Gaza through Egypt he is free to try. Except of course the Egyptians have closed their crossings for going on 3 weeks, with barely a peep from the Mondos.

  • The UN can bring peace to Jerusalem by moving its headquarters there
  • As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new settlements in West Bank
  • My life during the war
    • Strangely missing from this essay is either her support of Hamas' decision to refuse ceasefires or her disgust with their actions that are bringing ruin to Gaza.

  • Crisis in Rafah: Palestinian civilians trapped trying to escape Israeli onslaught (Updated)
    • At 6:30 am, 90 minutes before a 72-hour ceasefire was slated to go into effect, Israeli authorities alleged...

      Where are you getting that Israel said it happened before the cease-fire?

  • Remnick gets the timeline wrong
    • Israeli investigators knew the next morning the three had been killed because one of them placed an emergency “100” call, and there was an open recorded line as they were shot.

      Nonsense. They did not "know" they had been killed. They may have suspected it but they did not know if one child or all had been shot and they did not know if they had been murdered or wounded. They "knew" they were dead when they found the bodies.

  • First night of Israeli ground operations kills 27 Palestinians; Ambulances come under fire attempting to retrieve the injured
  • Report: Hamas offers Israel 10 conditions for a 10 year truce
    • amigo says: What,s to negotitiate about.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      There is a list of 10 items right up top that they can start negotiating about.

    • @pjdude

      Sorry to confuse you but that was a rhetorical question, of course airports and industrial zones are not human rights. Everyone (but you) knows that.

    • @amigo

      Who said anything about elections?

    • @Kay24

      So an airport and an industrial zone are basic human rights? Is lobbing rockets at a civilian population also a basic human right?

    • @a blah chick

      The Palestinians themselves said that Hamas is out of the governing business, so why would they be in charge of negotiating peace/truce?

    • Wow. Some balls.

      Israel has zero incentive to allow Hamas to profit from their rocket attacks, and every reason not to. Step 1, Hamas stops shooting. Step 2, the Palestinians (not Hamas) sit down and negotiate terms for peace and/or truce.

  • Ceasefire. Tightening the Gordian Knot?
    • @Justpassingby

      No. They rejected their demands.

    • Hamas is a failure. I agree. But with Israel and Egypt’s control of Gaza’s borders no government could succeed.

      Nonsense. The "government" of Hamas could succeed by ending the very policies that Israel and Egypt object to.

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
    • @taxi

      Did you even read your own link? DIME weapons are not illegal under International Law, they are not biological weapons, there is no definitive evidence they cause cancer and their purpose is to limit the range of casualties. Their purpose is to reduce collateral damage, they are not some (ridiculous) cancer bomb.

      More importantly, there is no military corroboration of their use, just a bunch of doctors taking a wild ass guess because they do not understand what they are looking at.

  • Urgent call from Gaza civil society: Act now!
    • What B.S.

      If Gaza wants this round of fighting to stop the first step is simple and obvious to everyone except these authors - stop shooting rockets and mortars.

  • Israel's message to the Palestinians: Submit, leave or die
    • pjdude says: the palestinians have zero obligation to cave to your sense of entitlement.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Yes, they have zero obligation to seek a peaceful solution, and they have not. They have zero obligation to compromise, they have not. They have zero obligation to seek anything other than the defeat of the Israelis, and they have not.

    • @Mooser

      So you would only be satisfied with a one station solution that eliminates Israel and makes the Jewish people a minority subject to the whims of their enemies?

    • Israel has in fact left us with only one workable, just and lasting way out: a single democratic state in Palestine/Israel that guarantees the individual and collective rights of all its citizens.

      100% agree. Judea and Samaria should become Israel and every resident should be offered Israeli citizenship.

  • Understanding 'militant' as a cover-up for civilian deaths, and other ways international law helps clarify the Israeli attack on Gaza
    • @sumud

      A new low for Mondoweiss, defending the attack of population centers with unguided (indiscriminate) rockets.

      Article 51(4) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: “Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited.”
      link to icrc.org

    • @Sumud. That depends on the target...

      No, it does not. Rockets do not have targeting systems, they are launched indiscriminately in the general vicinity of places. Each one is a war crime.

    • @eljay
      >>>>> As far as I can tell, Sderot and pizza parlours are “certain points or areas”

      Yes, because the Geneva Conventions provide absolutely no context to help understand why they do not permit the bombing pizza parlors. That must be totally confusing.

    • @crone

      What point are you trying to make?

    • @elijay

      That's ridiculous, the Geneva Conventions in no way permit the terror you would seek to condone. What it means is that genuine military targets are not off limit due to the presence of protected persons.

    • BTW. Rockets and mortars from Gaza do not become war crimes only when they kill or main. They are war crimes when they launch.

      Even when they are launched by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, controlled by President Mahmoud Abbas.

    • Further:

      Geneva Convention IV
      Article 28 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.”

  • The 'so-called peace process' and Gaza 'siege' -- Mohyeldin conveys Palestinian despair on MSNBC
  • Chomsky and BDS
    • @Talknic

      Ugh. any excuse to repeat the same tired nonsense...

      UNGA 194 afforded the same RoR for Jewish Arabs from the Arab states
      Correct. None at all for both parties

      Strange UNGA res 194 was adopted IN 1948.
      And it does not provide the RoR. Claims based on subsequent agreements such as Geneva would have to be retroactive to satisfy Palestinian claims. Work on your reading comprehension.

      Same for Jewish folk who’re still stateless refugees
      What Jewish folk are you referring to?

      The UN says it was DEFINITION OF A “REFUGEE” UNDER PARAGRAPH 11
      No, the UN did not. Your link in no way establishes that in 1948 the International norm for refugees was that they possessed the RoR.

      Bullsh*t! Name another country accepted into the UN under similar circumstances
      Every new member. Every single one.
      link to un.org

      Can’t while the US exercises the UNSC veto vote
      Does not change any facts.

      The law only comes into effect when broken. All law is binding and effects all states equally.
      There was no law and nothing was broken. The Israelis were not bound to any GA resolution by joining the UN

    • @SQ Debris

      Hague Agreement? Really? Please point out where you find that "right" in the Hague Conventions. And as for the Law of Return, that is not a right found in International Law, it is a right bestowed by the State of Israel to all Jewish people regardless of their race.

    • RoHa says: It is, but, more importantly, it is a moral right.

      You are correct that I do not recognize the importance of your so called moral right. You moral right does not trump actual laws and treaties, it does not trump Israel's national rights, and it does not provide the Palestinians with the right to eliminate the state of Israel by making the Jewish people a minority.

    • The RoR as espoused by the Palestinians is not International Law, specifically the claim that whatever law the "right" rests on (what is that anyway?) is retroactive back to 1948 and includes the never ending magical ability to pass that "right" to children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc...

      That 194 is restating existing law would make sense if the RoR was an accepted norm in 1948 (it was not) or if 194 referred to the supposed right or the supposed International Law (it does not).

      Further, Israel was accepted to the UN in the same manner as everyone else, if the GA thinks they got stiffed then they should toss Israel out. But there is nothing in the resolution that elevates GA resolutions into law for Israel and Israel alone.

      Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 and 11 December 1948 and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representatives of the Government of Israel before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,...

  • Israel needs no proof to kill Palestinians for teens' death, Israeli colonel says
    • Woody Tanaka says: You’re, as typical, spewing garbage.

      Garbage? The headline of the story is a lie, there is no record of the Colonel making that statement. It is a lie and you know it.

    • @Kris

      Comprehension of what? This story offers"Israel needs no proof to kill Palestinians for teens’ death" as a quote by the Israeli Colonel. Which is of course a bald faced lie. Nothing in the link proves otherwise.

    • Referring to whether or not the murderers received direct orders from superiors...

      “We don’t feel that (such orders were) actually necessary,”

      And somehow or other you twist that into...

      "Israel needs no proof to kill Palestinians for teens’ death"

      Exhibit A for the well deserved reputation of Mondoweiss

  • 'Haaretz' conference trumpets tired word 'Peace' (when the only solution is 'equality')
    • Every usage of the word ‘Peace’ hurts our cause...

      So says the co-founder of "Peace"Power magazine. Too funny.

  • 'Washington Post' conflates anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism
    • Now why in the world would anyone conflates anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism? Perhaps it is the realization that any old anti-semitic trope can be dusted off so long as one is careful to replace "Jew" with "Zionist". Amply demonstrated by numerous commentators right here at anti-Zionist Mondoweiss.

      Yes, the two concepts are distinct and yes there is plenty of legitimate anti-Zionism, but to pretend there is not a huge overlap is foolishness.

  • Tourism under occupation
    • The Jerusalem ID does not "forbid" anything at all, in reality if you wish to vote in a national election then you should be a citizen of that nation - a nearly universal truth.

      He should have applied for Israeli citizenship instead of an Israeli passport.

  • 'Kill those who rise up to kill us' -- a prime minister's chilling tweet
    • @talknic

      I presume from your all purpose cut and paste comment that you do not consider what the Palestinians choose to attack as Israel, which is of course .. idiocy. Nobody, and I mean nobody, other than yourself and Hamas (nice company) subscribe to the weird set of theories you have assembled.

      And for the record, you have no interest in peace. You and your quixotic website have the singular purpose of trying to prove that you are right and everyone is wrong.

    • It seems pretty clear that the injury to the child can be laid at the feet of those who chose to attack Israel. And that the majority of the comments above simply seek to provide cover for further Palestinian rocketry.

  • BDS lays the basis for a true peace process
    • @seafoid

      Then maybe the FT (and most everyone here) needs to as honest with its readers as you are willing to be. The true, unlisted goal of BDS is to eliminate the Jewish state. Get the BDS proponents to state this forthrightly and just watch their support evaporate.

      The BDS can only succeed by masking its goals and enlisting useful idiots.

    • @Naftush

      You forgot a biggie, subtract everyone who subsequently obtained citizenship in another country thereby ending their status of "refugee". Interestingly this includes many high level Palestinian politicians.

    • How positively Orwellian. "BDS lays the basis for a true peace process", wherein peace is the liberation elimination of one of the two parties to the peace agreement.

  • Palestinian unity deal pits Netanyahu & Congress against White House
    • ...US Congress dogs loyal only to Netanyahoo...

      @Annie

      I see you have dumped our entire thread down the memory hole. You could spare yourself the trouble if you put an end to the anti-semetic nonsense that all or parts of the US Government is owned or controlled.

    • @Annie

      Great, I will let his organization know that Mondoweiss has declared him a traitor to his country and that he is both loyal to and is owned by a foreign power.

      Anyone else? Surely there must be?

    • @Hostage

      My "shitty little Republic" is the United State of America.

      And I am sure, as is your way, that you will respond with an absolute flood of obscure and tangentially connected links but nonetheless, Israel does not owe the Palestinians compensation unless the two parties agree to it. The UN, apart from meaningless GA resolutions, has not determined otherwise and the Palestinians have for years agreed to the concept of an International fund.

    • just says: Totally insane that Israel collects Palestinian money ...
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      Indeed. Israel should collect enough to pay off the past due utility bills and then simply refuse to assist the Palestinians any further. Make them do their own tariff collections.

    • ...US Congress dogs loyal only to Netanyahoo...
      ...cretins in the US Congress are like Pavlov’s dogs...
      They will do whatever their masters in Israel tell them.

      Namely? Who in Congress is loyal to Netanyahu only? Who is owned by Israel? Who in Congress are you declaring to be traitors?

    • @Kay24

      Hamas is “dangerous” only to those who brutally occupy the Palestinian territories.

      Palestinian territories = Every square inch of Israel.

  • Scene of NY derailment that took four lives is a disgraceful mess six months later
  • John Legend derides portrayal of Palestinians as 'demographic challenge' in speech at Penn
    • @StCuthbert

      I am no more concerned of the Judaization of Jerusalem than I am of making water wet.

  • Another prominent liberal Jew runs away from the Zionist label
    • amigo says: Well , for closers it is not Israeli territory.
      ---
      Where in your argument did it become Palestinian territory? More "it is their's by default" reasoning?

    • @hostage

      The ICJ advised...
      Advised? As in a non-binding opinion? Still not Palestinian territory.

      Several international and national courts, including the Palestinian High Court ...
      The Palestinians say it is Palestinian? Quelle surprise!!! But still not Palestinian territory.
      The General Assembly called...
      Correct, "Palestine" is the correct geographical reference. But still not Palestinian territory.

      In 1948 the government of Israel blah, blah, blah...
      Bitching about Article 28 is entirely off topic. Still not Palestinian territory. Gaza and arguably Area A are Palestinian territory, anytihng beyind that remains to be determined.

    • If it was wrong to occupy and take Palestinian territory in 67 ...

      Well for openers, it was not (is not) Palestinian territory.

  • NBC’s ‘Dig’ gets $6.5 million from Israel to film in E. Jerusalem while Palestinian residents lack drinking water
    • East Jerusalemites pay 47% of the city’s municipal taxes, but receive a limp 5% of the revenue back in benefits.

      Citation?

  • Israel’s ongoing colonization prolongs Palestinian suffering and devalues international law
    • @Kay24

      Is that some form of counter argument or just another of your (supposedly banned) ad hominen attacks?

    • @talknic

      What a hypocrite. That the descendants do not possess a RoR is an argument that you regularly put forth.

    • @tree

      a) UNHCR’s definition of refugees does not constitute international law. More importantly, it does not grnat the RoR.

      b) "Family members/dependants" does not equal descendants.

    • In addition to that, and equally important, all Palestinian refugees have the right to return.

      This of course, is simply not true. Even if International Law were contorted enough to provide rights to all the actual refugees, there is nothing to support the contention that descendants are equally entitled.

  • Obama outmaneuvers Netanyahu, at last
    • Right of Return of Palestinian refugees to which Israel agreed as a condition of its membership...

      100% False

  • Kerry's Last Ditch Effort
  • Thousands of Israeli soldiers protest 'their hands are tied' while serving in the occupied territories
    • @Zach

      Because he knows that he can get away with it. Because instigating, filming and then blogging with mock indignation is practically an industry.

  • Ari Shavit blames breakdown of talks on Arabs' 'anachronistic political culture'
    • @Woody

      That the API passes on defining the terms of the RoR, leaving this open to interpretation, in the only reason the Palestinians themselves endorse it. As I said, if it were explicitly defined to include what "most everyone understands", the Palestinians would have nothing to do with it.

      Further, the Palestinians have no interest in " few Arab neighborhoods". Their demand is for the Old City and the Kotel. They (and you) demand what the Israelis hold most dear and then cry for a lack of a peace partner when they cannot have it.

    • ritzl says: Well…

      None of which answers to your comment of how many were built during this round of process. Not started, not as part of a multi-year program. Built. Your words.

      And you left out the part where the Israelis agreed not to and why building in areas the Palestinians will never receive matters in the least.

    • @Annie

      The provided link is the one in the blockquote that makes the actual claim. The link you refer to does make that claim, but of course it is flat out wrong.

    • @ Woody

      To quote the great Clint, "Deserve's Got Nothing To Do With It". The API is going nowhere unless it is more specific on the RoR and explains why Israel should agree to divide Jerusalem.

    • @ ritzl

      The point is to respond to the comment directly above, hardly a mystery. As for what was actually built during this round, feel free to provide some citation. Please include anything where the Israelis agreed not build.

    • Correct. The announcements did not matter in the least. They were not built, just announced. Irrelevant has the Palestinians been willing to agree to peace.

    • An average of 50 apartments was built daily in the West Bank throughout the U.S.-backed negotiations launched last summer, the nongovernmental organization said in a report issued Tuesday.

      This is incorrect, nor is it claimed in the provided link.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit
    • @Walid

      Why is that? I am sure that any minute now Talknic will show up to inform you that:
      a) These descendants are not entitled to the RoR
      b) The Palestinians do not claim a right for descendants.

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile
  • Palestinian writers bring Gaza's hardships to American audience
    • @woody

      Of course it is understandable, Gaza is a territory that is extremely hostile to Israel and its people, there are no reasons other than humanitarian to permit entry to Israel.

      And I apologize for the Egypt comment, I should have been more clear so it would not go over your head. What I meant to communicate is that the essay above has nothing to say about Ali's attempts to leave Gaza through Egypt.

    • Barred (understandably) from entry to Israel to travel to Jordan. No comment on whether Egypt barred entry to fly to Jordan.

  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor
    • Woody Tanaka says: And your editing is the exact opposite of honest.
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      My "editing" in no way distorted the message, which is available in its entirety just a few inches above. And no, I have no intention of picking from your ridiculous choices. The Palestinians do not intend to provide #1 if they gain power and Israeli citizens who identify as Palestinians are not without freedom and human rights.

    • @puppies

      Of course I object to that, as does the vast majority of the non-arab world. And I suspect that if the BDS crew were to be honest about their real intentions its support would dry up and they would fade away.

    • @Woody

      Let's try that the other way around. If you have no problem with what the Jordanians did with the indigenous Jewish population then you have no right to assert the non-existent RoR.

    • @pjdude

      Moronic analogy, but nonetheless...

      1) If you replace your cat with a dog, you will not have a cat.
      2) I did not use the word destruction.

    • Really? Your answer is to invoke The Blood Libel?

    • @seafoid

      Sure. When the Jordanians controlled part of Jerusalem they were very tolerant of the Jews. They kindly and politely helped every one of them to leave.

    • @unverified__5ilf90kd

      Probably because neither Herzl's promises nor the dead letter partition plan constituted legality.

    • amigo says: BDS and resulting 1SS will sort out... And neither will it be called Israel ...
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      Refreshing honesty. BDS is intended to eliminate the state of Israel.

  • Where is Sarah Ali?
    • talknic says: Under the Peace Treaty with Egypt and the crossings agreement of 2005. Israel IS the Occupying Power.
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      I am sure that makes sense in the fantasy world that you have constructed for yourself, however in the real world Israel exercises no control over that border.

    • Heinous actions?

      Please explain how Israel can prevent a Gazan from travelling to Cairo and from there to Amman?

  • 'Contractually obligated' to say the peace process is alive, Aslan told Americans to get ready for one state
    • @amigo

      4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.

  • Explicit censorship of Palestine solidarity work is becoming the new normal on American campuses
    • Really? You people are law students? And you believe there is a First Amendment issue here? Was NU "chilling" their rights when they permitted your cohorts to chant “Long Live the Intifada” and to bullhorn that the President of Northeastern is a “Zionist Goon"?

  • Video: 8-year-old boys stopped by soldiers-- 'you were about to throw stones'
  • The NY Times' unbalanced coverage of the BDS movement (Updated)
    • The article fails to note that refugee return is a right guaranteed by international law. Right of return was enshrined in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 13), and the right of return for Palestinian refugees was affirmed by UN Resolution 194 in 1948. Major human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International state that the right of return of Palestinian refugees is protected by international law.

      False.

      The UDHC is not law, UNGA 194 is both non-binding and provides no rights and the opinions of human rights groups do not constitute law. And none on the above even begin to address the Palestinian's unique definition where both descendants of citizens of other counties both remain "refugees".

  • Poll: If two-states collapse, Americans overwhelmingly favor 'democracy'
    • It appears that if the 2SS solution collapses most Americans would prefer that a single state emerge. Of course, that single state would be Israel from the river to the sea excluding both Gaza and Palestinians not currently residing within. Non-Israeli residents would presumably be offered citizenship if they were interested in becoming loyal Israelis.

  • Disenfranchised: How the NYT spins the status of Palestinian land
    • Sumud says: How predictably dishonest.
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      The entirety of his comment was two inches above in plain view, for anyone to see. And the balance of his statement in no way mitigates the hateful, racist, violent call for ethnic cleansing.

      All of which you apparently support.

    • @talknic

      For about the millionth time, the resolution you are in love with does not assign territory to anyone, nor does it name "both parties". Palestine is not named, the UN does not get to award territory and their official position is that borders need to be negotiated.

      And despite your carefully constructed fantasy world, Palestine has not been a state since 1922. Even the Palestinians do not engage is that nonsense.

    • There is no way in hell you will be allowed to live in peace in the middle east. Neither will your grandchildren, their grandchildren and their grand-grand-grand children. You will be fought against till you are utterly crushed and removed from Arab lands...

      How refreshingly honest.

    • @Talkback

      The UN never recognized Palestinian borders, in fact when the UN accorded to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations they specifically declared that borders needed to be negotiated.

      And once again, UN 476 does not grant anything to the State of Palestine.

    • @talknic

      - UN 476 does not assign territory to either party
      - Why "peace in Palestine"? Because Palestine is a geographical area they desire peace within.
      - Ummm... So what?
      - Looking forward to mods ever doing their jobs and putting an end to your constant childish insults.

    • In official parlance they are the occupied Palestinian territories: meaning the land belongs to Palestine and it is occupied by Israel.

      This is 100% incorrect. The UN has never officially declared that the territories belong to the State of Palestine, the PA, PLO or any other concoction of the Palestinian Arabs.

  • Mohammed Assaf banned from performing at FIFA World Cup
  • Do SodaStream's workers have the right to vote? Roger Waters asks Scarlett Johansson
    • Do they have the right to vote?
      Yes, They have the opportunity to vote in any election the Palestinians choose to schedule.
      Do they have access to the roads?
      Mostly yes. However, there are roads that for security reasosn are Israeli only.
      Can they travel to their work place without waiting for hours to pass through the occupying forces control barriers?
      Probably yes. Is there some eveidence that every Palestinian Sodastream worker waits for hours every day at roadblocks? I doubt it.
      Do they have clean drinking water?
      Yes
      Do they have sanitation?
      Yes
      Do they have citizenship?
      Palestinian citizenship? Who knows? Ask the Palestinians.
      Do they have the right not to have the standard issue kicking in their door in the middle of the night and taking their children away?
      Has this actually happened to any Sodastream worker? Or is this just more hyperbole?
      Do they have the right to appeal against arbitrary and indefinite imprisonment?
      Typically yes.
      Do they have the right to re-occupy the property and homes they owned before 1948?
      I doubt any Sodastream worker owned property anywhere in 1948.
      Do they have the right to an ordinary, decent human family life?
      Yes. Decent jobs provide for decent family life.
      Do they have the right to self determination?
      Yes, but no more than the Israelis.
      Do they have the right to continue to develop a cultural life that is ancient and profound?
      Yes.

    • kma says: I assume Johansson knows occupied Palestinians can’t vote.
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      They could if the Palestinian leadership would allow for elections.

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