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thanks for sharing this interview publicly Philip, i've already 'liked' and left a comment on youtube. Faisal's art is deeply moving and meaningful, the more it spreads, the more people it will 'touch'. i'm very relieved, elated, and grateful he's here in the US reaching americans, they need it most!!
you can't be serious. crimes are crimes, PERIOD!, regardless of any history. the izraeli occupation and apartheid are illegal, i.e. CRIMES. by your pathological line of reasoning, if people murder your family, the world can justifiably defend the culprits by claiming the murderers have a history in the area of your house. your comment is insane hasbara at its best, or as you put it, the devil with his detail thing...AGAIN. if you want to be a real human being, then minimally, you will need the following: 1. heart, 2. conscience, 3. eyes that see clearly or a strong pair of glasses, 4. education in international and humanitarian law, and human rights.
i love Falk, he is cut-throat and nails the truth down hard, but i disagree with one thing he suggested. After he reiterates Obama's statement of “I can promise you this: Political leaders will never take risks if the people do not push them to take some risks. You must create the change that you want to see. Ordinary people can accomplish extraordinary things.” ........Falk says, "Possibly, there is some remote hope to be found in these inspirational words...". BUT...Palestinian leaders have already created some change that their people wanted to see and pushed them to get, they gained statehood at the UNGA. a very significant, historical "extraordinary" step....and they were immediately severely punished by the US (and of course izrael) when they got it.
Obama's hypocritical thuggery and empty rhetoric is only sinking the US deeper in izrael's quagmire which translates into an increasing national security threat to all americans worldwide. i'm wondering whatever came of that CIA report several years ago that predicted izrael's fall within 20 years. how much more hated can we/they get before serious repercussions start playing out in reality. it's already at disastrous levels with all these f***ed up wars. with izrael hell-bent on attacking iran, it's only a matter of time before the world pukes out the wretched poison of our foreign policy.
i'm very surprised nobody is considering the very real possibility that the soldier did in fact shoot and kill the boy who has since been missing from someone's family. what real evidence is there that this child was NOT shot and killed? who says he wasn't? Ali Abuminah? how would he know? and why would he not raise this specific concern himself, but instead says, "There are no other images to suggest that the photographer actually fired at the person in the image in this case,"...and then just leaves it at that ?
so, because there are no further damaging images of the boy dead (which would indeed be an all-too-obvious egregious dereliction of so-called IOF 'ethics', so much so that the soldier would not likely ever post them) it means the boy wasn't shot??? what kind of illogical reasoning is this other than a dangerous assumption taken as fact?
put simply, we do NOT know if this boy was shot/killed or not, period! and if the soldier's telling the truth that he found the photo online, we will never know the truth of the status of this boy. furthermore, not considering (and investigating) a possible tragic outcome for this child in this unbelievably violent situation depicted in the image only normalizes such wicked izraeli behavior even more....as if it typifies zionism's darkness SOOOO much (which it does) that the rest of us, by almost expecting it, have hence unwittingly fallen into an apathetic complacency with it.
nor will Bob likely report on how the izraeli kill mission in Gaza last November was instigated in the first place (at a time of calm with no rockets from Gaza) by....none other than....more of the same: izrael murdering innocent Palestinians.
i hope someone in the audience demands Abrams to explain exactly how his wife's comment would be perceived and acted upon if the word "Palestinian" was changed to "Jewish"
Code Pink is some of the greatest, most effective PEOPLE POWER ever! i hope they turn the whole planet PINK. they rock the world!
wow. occupied much, US??? just the first two words alone, followed by the qualifying rest, of the Daily News title "FORUM FUROR: 4 Jews tossed from BDS meet at Brooklyn College." is nothing short of intentionally inciting a massive feeding frenzy of pro-izraeli trolls whose gluttony for power/domination-thru-strife/corruption is utterly insatiable.
well, i'm laughing! it's really beyond comical stupidity how scuffed up the pro-izraeli zionists have become by their own self-undoing. what fools! oops, i mean, what champions of self-delegitimization!! then again, if they insist on shooting themselves in the foot, maybe we shouldn't be giving them guns...just a thought. lol
uh, satire...right?
and if you are not fake?
then you are hopelessly misaligned, quit spewing your filthy zio-junkie hasbara.
we the people of the world are on to you!
time for an American Spring against our corrupt government for willfully allowing izraeli-minded zionists to occupy it as well as 'we the people'. we are exponentially endangered (and hated) at all levels all around the world by the zionist maniacs.
i'm just always so amused (actually disgusted) at how zionists scream against violence (usually involving twisted conflations, fabrications, manipulations & paranoid psychosis), then vehemently attack NON-violent tactics as if the two opposing tactics, violent & non-violent, are equal in nature. simply put, they spazz out over ANYTHING other than 100% unquestioned acceptance and compliance with their criminally corrupted world view & policies. even more amusing is that they don't see the glaring contradiction in this...or...that we won't see it. zionists are nothing but a pathetic clown show, on paper thrones wearing paper crowns.
This just made my day!!! Despite the complaints of this report being 'all talk, no action' this report leaves one seriously horrendous gigantic stain on izrael which izrael can never bleach out..not one iota..no matter what it says & does..or doesn't. instead, this stain will remain exactly what it is: an indelible, atrocious deeply embedded shameful blotch now smeared all over every pro-zionist face. yes, yes, THIS report is indeed a historical marker for the face of zionism. ohhhh for the evil of zionism to be so grotesquely disfigured by TRUTH!! well, all i can say is: BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!!
it's far beyond absurd how easy it would be for IOF to prove their claim that Mohammed had a fake gun (plastic gun has now morphed into metal, lol). all the IOF needs to do is simply release the entire duration of unadulterated, unedited, un-manipulated RAW film footage captured by the security cameras which every checkpoint has.
but NOPE, IOF has not released any of it...because:
1) said footage was "accidentally" deleted just like when Jamal Julani was attacked by izraeli lynch mob in Zion Square back in August. all the crucial video evidence proving suspects' guilt was irreversibly deleted.
2) said footage shows no such fake gun (and IOF hasn't yet manipulated the footage into fabricated lies).
THIS in conjunction with changing details and particularly the total media black out (reuters journos not even allowed to show ID papers, B'Tselem journo beat up/detained, etc) shows izraeli forces to once again be the real culprit of terrorism via murder of a child in cold blood. they only dig their own grave deeper....and deeper...while demonstrating how moronic izraeli forces are to think we the people of the world are too stupid to see right through their hasbara...especially when IOF had the idiocy to abuse reuters journos. uh, not too smart izrael!
this is absolutely pathetic!!!!!!! like there aren't enough heinous izraeli crimes already to motivate abbas to join the ICC immediately????? he uses the sickening weak rhetoric of "IF" izrael carries out E1 construction??? "IF"???????????????? unbelievable!!!!!!!
yo, abbass, you disgusting little wimp! listen up! in case you haven't paid attention to the PEOPLES' SUFFERING...Pals have been imprisoned, tortured, murdered, oppressed and ethinically cleansed for DECADES. it's called GENOCIDE, you idiot!
DO NO WAIT TO JOIN ICC....JOIN NOW! prosecute for ALL past WAR CRIMES, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND ALL BREACHES OF INTERNATIONAL & HUMANITARIAN LAW!!!!!!!! BRING YOUR PEOPLE JUSTICE....FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!
"Gaza today and tomorrow."
the "today" part of this sentence - as if Erlanger is silently snickering with evil thoughts of: "and they wonder why we bomb the children, heh heh heh"....as if being dressed in camouflage could ever possibly justify murdering innocent children.
and the "tomorrow" part of this sentence??? - a clear threat against humanity that izrael will continue to do just that, bomb and murder more innocent children.
...but i’d hardly call the discussions accurate or honest. ‘radical islam’, for example: is there really any other kind?
do you honestly believe that ALL islam is radical, that there is no 'other kind'??? are you seriously that significantly ignorant???? it's arrogant ignorance like this that harms all life. very sad when it's a simple choice to educate one's self, and in this world of global strife and suffering, there's no excuse not to. you have as much blood on your hands as the 'radical islamist' criminals from your irresponsibility in not educating yourself. you're pathetic beyond reason.
so send NATO troops in to enforce relocating the illegal squatters. izrael has zero mindset to move any of them out, and they will NEVER accept a 1SS. any such one state entity will be overwhelmed with apartheid abuse, violence (squatter violence, that is, as Pals will never allowed to be armed), human rights violations against Pals on a scale never before seen, etc. etc. it will deteriorate into a black swamp of hell real fast.
people are profoundly naive and out of touch with reality to think the 1SS is the answer. it will never work because izrael refuses peace and their whole fascist existence is based on a 'jewish' state, certainly not a state with the majority of citizens being Pals. that's completely out of the question for zionists. and if they are 'forced' into a one-state entity....it is certain that Pals will be abused, detained, tortured and punished mercilessly...and izrael will cover it up and disallow any outside independent investigations or independent journalists.
"They show how a commitment to Jewish history as Behar interprets it trumps his professional ethics."
then he's neither professional nor ethical, not even close.
Buttu's remarks are VERY damaging to Pals: "With Israel's latest announcement, the ball rests with the international community."
NOT TRUE!!!!!! Pals can sue izrael at the ICC for this CRIME. Pals have the power now, so give it back to them, Buttu! very very irresponsible remark.
and Ali Abuminah??? i am SHOCKED that he would so quickly devalue to zero Pals' new statehood by saying: "Will there be real, concrete action -- including sanctions -- to force Israel to halt, and begin to reverse its illegal colonization of the 1967 occupied territories?......Sadly, that is unlikely, which means that yesterday's vote was nothing more than a hollow gesture. Israel's announcement should draw attention back to cold, hard reality: there is no 'two-state solution.' "
is he out of his mind?????? PALS NOW HAVE LEGITIMATE LEGAL RECOURSE AT THE ICC!!!!!!!! which means that yesterday's vote was EVERYTHING!!!! what an idiotic thing for him to say, especially when he knows better!!!!!!!!! i'm so thoroughly disgusted with his truly harmful rhetoric. hey Ali, EGO CHECK!!!
and Daniel Levy? "If President Obama is not up to trying again, this time with muscle, then the conversation to start having with Israel's leader should be about democracy rather than separation."
LOLLLLLLLL, is he serious?????? izrael has NEVER been about democracy and NEVER will be, period! doesn't matter what they spew out their mouths, izrael has been a brutal apartheid from the beginning, they do not want it any other way!! who is Levy trying to fool?? what a joke!
borders based on the green line is already a huge compromise, any further compromise is more injustice to Palestinians.
those thinking this is merely a show of racism are missing the far more sinister pathology of narcissism, the incidence of which is extraordinarily high among pro-izraeli zionists, and it is blatantly obvious. expecting a narcissist to show morality and respect on anyone else's definition of both terms is beyond laughable, not gonna happen cuz nothing exists as real outside their world view, which is pathological...and more often than not, also extremely dangerous.
i just wonder why the author of the article, which was very good, and others, too often fail to mention that "armed resistance" against occupation is LEGAL:
UNGA Resolution A/RES/33/24 of 29 November 1978:
2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;
UNGA Resolution A/RES/3246 of 29 November 1974:
3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle; …
7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;
plus many other UN resolutions confirm/reaffirm the same thing repeatedly: e.g., UNGA Resolution A/RES/34/44 (23 November 1979), UNGA Resolution A/RES/35/35 (14 November 1980), UNGA Resolution A/RES/36/9 (28 October 1981), etc. etc.
"I know, Jews are scarred by the Holocaust and by persecution in Europe. They tried to wipe us out."
it is long past time to effectually address the scarring of Gazans. unlike the Jewish holocaust, an atrocity NEVER to be tolerated, the Palestinian holocaust has lasted decade after decade after decade, generation after generation after generation. the magnitude, severity and chronicity of Pals' physical, psychological and spiritual scars are shockingly unprecedented.
imagine the Jewish holocaust lasting over 60 years. the point is: it didn't, it wouldn't, and it's a sure thing it will never happen again. but...can't say the same for the Palestinians. think about that.
excellent article, BRAVO!!!!!!!! now, how can these people get interviews on mainstream networks? it would be great if this information was splattered all over US news media, however they can...through written articles to interviews or guest speakers on msm news channels! heck, at the very least, even a youtube video documentary of these scholars (and others) discussing these facts, if not a specific film for this purpose! whatever it takes to get the facts pounded into the US powers that be!
Rudoren doesn't come across to me as being particularly human, far from it, in fact...so it's no wonder she said something this obtuse, appalling, and utterly absurd. She herself has a long way to go before she can claim understanding humanity to even the slightest degree.
this is fantastic!!! and the list is growing, a little green flag that says southissouth added two new events in real time as i viewed the list (both in the US).
thank you much for this article Mark Ellis, i always enjoy reading them. of particular interest is what you've shared from Haber:
"He said that Hamas rocket-fire was deliberately provoked when Israel broke the cease-fire so that Israel could do a little 'spring cleaning,' deplete Hamas's arsenal of weapons." ...and... "He told me that this happens every few years, and that I should expect it to happen in another few years."
this is nothing short of solid evidence of war crimes and crimes against humanity. i'm sure Pals will find this VERY useful when they gain statehood and head to the ICC.
so, BRAVO! to you Mr. Ellis for sharing it, BRAVO!!!
i'm sorry allison, i have a serious problem with their "targets are specific"...sooooo they are specifically targeting the innocent civilians they've murdered, including babies! i hope and pray someone in the world prosecutes them straight to hell for that. the targets are not surgical or specific, and it's no wonder they celebrate it, as evidenced in the sick tweets by the IDF spokespeople i read in another article here.
here's the same little baby girl in the video in this article, filmed obviously just minutes earlier than the above video since she's still alive in this video.
WARNING: this is VERY graphic, shocking and extremely disturbing to see!!! link to youtube.com
personally, i'm deeply traumatized, i'll never be the same again after watching this. i've already contacted multiple human rights orgs, including B'Tselem and Amnesty...and i also contacted a well-known muslim international human rights lawyer in Washington DC to pursue prosecuting izrael for this horrific war crime.
hey Phil, why didn't you point out to Rozenfeld that their violation of the truce and murder of a boy in Gaza started all of this in the first place???????? what a missed opportunity!!!!
Thank you Alex, Adam and Annie...thank you ALL for this article and especially for keeping us updated and informed, it's much easier to read everything here than to check all the different tweets and news sites. (just now liked the page Annie referenced) THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!
this really sickens my heart and soul. like everyone else decent, i dread the brutality unfolding and the number of innocent people being brutally murdered AGAIN. it's another OCL happening... i hope Egypt and the entire international community slams izrael hard enough to end this crazed massacre NOW.
hey jon, wanna know the real solution? there would be NO bombs ever raining down in izrael if izrael 1) lifted the illegal siege and 2) complied with and abided fully with international law. in other words, izrael brings this on themselves...it's called self-delegitimization, and izrael is the world champion of that!
boo hoo, izrael is scared....so they start murdering innocent CHILDREN, as always! just before today's murder-mania they shot Hamid Younis Abu Daqqa in the chest (which takes precision aim and is thus deliberate/intentional murder). before Hamid....oh let's see....HUNDREDS of innocent children bombed or gunned down in cold blood. and the blood letting by rage-crazed zionists continues...on and on and on.
settlements being illegal makes all those who dwell within them equally culpable...period. and the more we tolerate, accept, remain silent about the terminology of "settlers" instead of calling them what they really are: illegal settlers/squatters/criminal immigrants, the more we contribute to normalizing this metastatic crime.
O!M!G! - you can't be serious!!!! you're actually equating ILLEGAL settlements per INTERNATIONAL LAW with "vitriolic anti-semitism"?????....LOLLLLL!!! are you out of your mind? do you honestly believe Homo sapiens sapiens are that dull-witted that they can't see the blatant idiocy of your reasoning? this is the most amusing hasbara imaginable. indeed, zionists have not changed...not one little bit...still trying to deceive with pathetic and pathological illogic. so, uhh, tell me, since WHEN does illegal automatically mean anti-semitism (it's a rhetorical question)? LOLLLLLLL!!! next!
perfect! i love it! let jews in america expose the true savages: geller, for one...how apropos!
it didn't appear in comments, i knew he wouldn't expose his own incompetence. so i left the same comment (but added, "Let it be known, then, that you, sir, are a genuine, authentic fraud.") on his stupid (but very public, haha!) ME forum facebook page for all his little flunkies to cogitate on.
great comment Blake. but what a convenient omission by pippi pipes in all his undertakings, especially with his big harvard PhD in, of all things, history! LOL. he's authentic and qualified, alright...at being a fraud!
i just wrote the following to pippi longstocking regarding his article on "Rampaging Islamists" because he has a PhD in history, not religion/comparative theology, not middle eastern studies, and definitely not Islamic studies, so he's hardly qualified. i doubt it will pass moderation to appear:
Dr. Pipes, your gross lack of education specifically in Islam, per se, immediately disqualifies you from discussing the meanings of Islamic teachings as well as the context from which those teachings stem from...both of which are indeed critical to a proper understanding of Islam, as is the case in any religion. This article (as well as the comments) is primarily fear and hate-mongering dribble drabble. You need to take responsibility for the harm this ignorance results in since you are contributing to a very dangerous separation in the human population. You haven't a clue how serious your contributions are, obviously. And if you do, you can never associate the word peace with your name..NEVER. The very least you could do, which you do not do, is consult mainstream reputable Islamic scholars for their input on all this "rampaging"...they have all emphatically denounced violence and state clearly that Islam opposes violence, even in the face of such blatant insults which purposely incite. They do NOT condone the rampaging one iota. Yet you fail to bring this to the attention of your readers, thus your silence is complicit in spreading falsities which harm. Ethically, professionally and personally, you should be ashamed of yourself. I can state with absolute certainty that men of integrity do not abide by such complicit silence to promote fear and hate.
Daniel Pipes who's supposedly 'qualified' needs to be exposed for his grossly misguided interpretations and selective targeting of Islamic references purposely out of context to fear and hate monger....and for ethical misconduct in abusing said qualifications.
this reminds me of Bush's speech of lies selling the american population that iraq had WMD's
please, there's a thing called a dictionary...try using it.
exactly, annie...those last lines hit me the hardest. i'm still reeling in awe.
omg, this is incredibly profound and powerfully moving...absolutely heart-wrenching. BRAVO to Mark Gonzales and to you Phil for sharing this extraordinary response!! BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVOOOOOO!!!!!
"For one thing, it would be anti-Semitic, or pretty darned close. And what if we make them so mad they won’t give us Judaism back, and keep it for themselves?"
what??? you've got to be kidding me! first, i'm not jewish, so please forgive (and/or correct) my ignorance. zionism is neither a race nor a religion, rather a [diabolical] political movement which has nothing to do with Judaism. and from what i understand, zionism has hijacked true Judaism, much like the islamist extremists have hijacked Islam...neither have anything to do with the true religions. i think we all need to start pushing as hard as we can the clear and critical distinction between zionism and Judaism to stop them from claiming that zionism IS Judaism, it is NOT...they are diametrically opposed.
calling zionists savages is not anti-semitic, zionism itself is anti-semitic! zionism is all lies which go directly against God according to hundreds of thousands of Jews worldwide who follow the teachings of the Torah, so how can they possibly give you Judaism back when it's not even theirs to begin with??? they CAN NOT have or keep what's not theirs! true Jews have never lost Judaism. do not give zionists that kind of power over you in their bullying to claim it for themselves! we all must demand that Judaism belongs to the real Jews, it's yours, not theirs and will never be theirs, and they cannot steal that truth! who cares if zionists equate zionism with judaism? let's all make that their problem, not yours! zionists aren't jews, so criticism of zionism is not anti-semitic.
i don't give a damn how mad they get, so what! let the little bullying imps get mad, they will never change the truth and i for one will never shut up or give up the truth. i am more than fed up with their aggressive bullying, we need to stand up strong against them at all times in all ways, regardless.
"Mondoweiss attempts to mislead its dittohead readership"
so says a pro-z bobblehead. tell me something (no, no, i don't mean deny, i mean explain): why are zionists the #1 anti-semites (please learn the definition of who and what 'semite' refers to)? and....why on earth (literally) is peace the real existential threat to izrael? never mind, they're rhetorical questions. bobble, bobble, bobble goes the head on the dashboard, especially on bumpy roads.
"So who wants the job?"
me! i would implement the most severe sanctions down to the marrow, cut all aid and trade, kick out all ambassadors/diplomats, refuse & remove any membership to all international orgs, and encourage all nations do the same....until they comply with all international & humanitarian laws and get OUT of the west bank, end the siege on Gaza, allow Pals, UN or NATO troops to monitor/secure borders. their structures can remain, Pals can use them or do whatever they decide with them.
hey, where's Anonymous these days? why aren't they spazzing out and going on the warpath with nation-wide (and global) protests and all their cyber tricks against izraeli occupation of american policies?
i'm glad to see it's being covered on CNN...an entire section with multiple articles about the leaked tapes. in the article "In new tape, Romney casts doubt on peace for Israelis and Palestinians", they link to Mother Jones and include a couple of Hanan Ashrawi quotes (this woman should be president)
surely, you jest. now i'm really laughing, LOL. but if on the off chance you're not joking, well, then if you won't stand...try sitting.
omg...i busted out laughing at this article/video. thanks phil & alex, i needed a good laugh! haha hahaHAHAHAHA! good job Mother Jones! romney, what a floundering dunderhead.
i.e., here in america, we are occupied by izrael. lovely. so what else is new...
uh, what??? you can't be serious. are you kidding? this is a non-argument, completely empty...vapid.
"...I refuse to accept that it’s OK for anyone to kill or hurt another person..."
you fail to see your own contradiction: it was the film makers who instigated and delivered the initial harm...and THAT, too, is NOT OK. it doesn't matter if you don't understand how that harmed so many around the world, this isn't about "you"....it's about all of us.
eljay, i agree...this isn't about the extremists, everybody know their reactions cannot be tolerated. nothing justifies the violence, destruction and death...nothing ever will! you say: "I cannot accept that the provocativeness of a cartoon or a movie ... can or should ever be used to justify violence, destruction and death." but it was "used to justify violence & destruction"...both by the film makers who knew very well in advance it would elicit violence and destruction...and still they went ahead with releasing it, thus 'using' it for that very thing: violence and destruction. the extremists used it to justify the same plus death too. and innocent people everywhere got used for the ego-tripping both sides stubbornly insisted on, and it was the innocent ones who lost their lives.
given that there is no justification EVER for such violence, the real questions are: how tolerant are any of us towards the vast majority of muslims who were indeed seriously hurt and anger (rightfully and understandably so), but who also condemned the violence and did not react violently themselves? how much can we embrace what it means to co-exist with other religions or other people who feel things differently than we do? how willing are we to respect those differences and/or learn from them? alternatively we may ask: how egotistical, oppressive and arrogant will we insist on being which only harms others? how willing are we to take responsibility for ourselves to choose peace and NOT intentionally provoke the sleeping grizzly?
"Apparently they’re not capable enough, because they riot, destroy, burn and kill. Over cartoons and a lame, cheap-ass movie."
that's not fair. first: extremists' love for their prophet/religion is not what's misguided in any religion, their hearts are in the right place. love has no boundaries whether highly educated or 'backward' folk. however, the violence of their reactions is criminal, it's inexcusable and unacceptable. second: 'cartoons and cheap-ass movie'? very disrespectful of you. maybe from your un-insightful perspective they are. but you cannot judge or dictate what is sacred to another or how sacred it should be or not, everyone feels that for themselves. those involved in the film and cartoons knowingly intended to provoke violence which makes them each a willful act of extreme endangerment and a security threat for humanity everywhere, not to mention a profound destruction of peace worldwide and a wasting of hard earned efforts as well as the resources poured out and the loss of thousands of lives for the last decade. that is the reality, yet you minimize the situation to 'cartoons and a lame, cheap-ass movie'. that is a sad and scary denial of the reality, whether any of us agree with the reality or not doesn't matter, it's still the reality we must deal with in this world.
i have a doctorate degree, does that make me a better person than a 'backward' villager? nope, not one iota! i also have american diplomats in my immediate family working in the ME who are now extremely endangered because of this 'lame, cheap-ass' movie. i am beyond terrified for their safety and absolutely outraged at everyone involved: those who made the film to intentionally provoke this violence and those who intentionally reacted with murder and may still react with more of the same violence...they're all criminally responsible for what they've chosen to do. they could have all chosen peace, but they didn't ... and much harm has resulted. it's not over yet, it's still spreading. people need to take responsibility for their choices and learn to respect differences.
reality check: there are hornet nests out there, like it/agree with it or not, they exist. simple wisdom: don't disturb a hornet nest, innocents get killed.
it's NOT freedom of speech when it involves knowingly eliciting violence, it is endangerment...and it is criminal. americans can't say one word of criticism about izrael without US legislation being slammed against us which annihilates our freedom of speech, but americans can put out a hate-mongering film that gets innocents killed and the US defends that? sorry for venting all in this reply, but i'm sick and tired of all the disrespect, ignorance, intolerance, violence etc. etc... i'm just disgusted, appalled and downright outraged at all of it. i hope to God my family is safe. when it gets personal, it's no longer a 'lame, cheap-ass movie', it's an unacceptable and inexcusable criminal reality, the same as murder
annie, just a hunch...geller sprinkles her cheerios with narcissus :-)
ahhhh, ok...got it! thank ya much! the ???? immediately gave it away, it makes sense now. haha, i can hear exactly the mood your inner voice had...but it's not too dramatic, more like spot on! :-)
btw, the 'z' in israel is my way of referring to zionism...it's become routine habit. same for not using any caps since it's faster and more convenient typing comments, short messages, etc. without them.
sorry Mooser, i didn't realize that phrase had or originated with pejorative meaning (i don't gamble either), and i've never used the phrase with that intent. i could have easily said call a leaf a leaf...just call it what it is.
yes, very true and an important issue...but as you know, even if they weren't exclusively jewish, they'd still be illegal, so that's what i'm addressing.
"We cannot move past this ideological gridlock so long as continued settlement growth is not understood as illegal (it is) and those who object to this growth are portrayed as bigoted (we aren't)?" .... why the question mark, Annie...are you questioning something here? if so, what? has this not been long ago established as fact?
part of holding izrael accountable is keeping the language consistent. for example, the words "settlers" and "settlements" are misleading. both words must reflect the criminality inherent in them. "settlements" should always consistently be preceded by "illegal" because they are illegal. international law is law, period. and "settlers" should always consistently be replaced with "criminals" or "squatters" or "illegal immigrants" or "land thieves"or just "illegals". if everyone makes a conscious effort to use the correct language to call a spade a spade each and every time, there is no way to silence us. the pro-izraelis can scream all they want, cancel events, get in our faces, throw hysterical tantrums...but they cannot stop the truth, nor the growing awareness of this truth which is reinforced by and reflected in the correct language. insisting on this correct language hammers in the truth, it bombards people when heard repeatedly, non-stop...and very soon an immediate association between "settlers"/"settlements" and criminality takes hold with a firm grip that's not easily forgotten.
too often i don't encounter this correct language in either writing or speaking, rather i'm once again exposed to the commonly used words of "settlers"and "settlements". such wording tolerates izraeli crimes. it lets izrael off the hook and ignores reality...as if it's so long-standing that the criminality of any or all of it no longer matters due to apathetic complacency. incorrect wording downplays the magnitude, severity, frequency and relentless defiance of law while simultaneously, it weakens the crimes committed, even normalizes them...and it also weakens the battle for exhausted Palestinians. izrael fabricates enough lies and fake excuses, we should definitely not make milk and cookies out of the daily crimes they're really doing.
we should always reference the multitude of violations against international law as a backdrop to izraeli crimes to keep them in the spotlight.
HR 35 does not support tolerance and diversity, it supports absolute INtolerance of our constitutional rights and decreases diversity of thought. leave it to the histrionic hasbara minions to take the truth and twist it until it pukes out the opposite, cached in a 'positive' tone of utter falsity.
oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! the majority clearly voted no, it's very audible in the video. that obama intervened to ensure it went through is only going to further enrage the entire ME, probably incite more terrorist attacks against us. zionism is an existential threat to peace, to this whole planet.
"driven by extremists who don’t understand the basic rule of law." i don't mean to be argumentative, but i completely disagree with this. these zionist extremists know and understand perfectly well what the basic rule of law is, which is why they purposely defy, deny, and ignore the law. their parasitic survival depends on manipulating what they know about it, a further indicator of how they clearly scoff at the law (which they do understand) by thinking themselves above it, like all criminals. i really don't think it's helpful to use rhetoric which seemingly excuses them or eases their accountability by saying they don't get it. these criminals get it, and they must be held to full account and prosecuted. i get so tired of the often too-weak language used. the world needs to get bold and stand up to izrael, not politely say in a weak, obsequious way, "gosh, i'm so sorry, maybe it's just you didn't understand us". BS! there is no excuse for their crimes, period.
sardelapasti - thanks for clarifying your point, i understand. "those who are trying to ban every comparison to 1939-45" are the blind majority. and, as we all know, murder is murder, it cannot be qualified by which form is better, bomb or bullet vs oven...nor is a massacre of many at one time any less barbaric than cooking one at a time. the same evil intent is present. fortunately, intelligents don't need anyone punching holes through the zionists' laughably weak hasbara and criminal whitewashing as the inherent, barefaced idiocy of both screams volumes for itself and is immediately self-evident to any and every decent human being.
"the Zionist haven’t lighted the ovens. Yet." ...oh really? tell that to the families of the thousands murdered...see if they agree. not to mention how the Zionists' strategy is to cook one at a time so as to be nearly imperceptible (to the blind, that is). to the extent your comment is dishonest and irresponsible is to the same extent izrael keeps on 'lighting the ovens'.
below is copy/pasted from CNN article:
Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee and head of the PLO Department of Culture and Information, also condemned the ruling. She said that the evidence shows Corrie was "deliberately murdered" and that the Israeli court has victimized her again.
"We must make sure that Rachel Corrie's death is not a senseless incident," Ashrawi said in a statement. "It must be stressed that Israel's habit of blaming the victim and exonerating the criminal is not (only) applied to Palestinian victims, but also it has extended its reach to international solidarity activists and victims of Israeli violence."
i think anyone considered a state party national can file a complaint demanding investigation/prosecution of izrael by the ICC; Rachel's case is international and deserves proper and true justice obtainable only in an international, independent court. this case should be eligible for ICC, despite occurring on land with non-state status, since Rachel is an American and the perps are izraeli nationals. there is no justice otherwise.
don't kid yourself, the zionists will never give equal rights to Pals, it goes against every fiber of their zionist being. this notion of "provides equal rights for all" is a fantasy, a pipe dream, a falsity that will never be realized, unfortunately. i'm convinced that there will either be a two-state solution or, as long as izrael has the backing of major world powers (which it's always had), a perpetually unresolved one-state apartheid where Pals suffering continues, if not worsens. in other words, Pals will see no increase in rights than they already have, regardless of any legislation.
and the world lets them...that is what appalls me most. they are too criminally sick to change themselves, it's too deeply ingrained in their identity. but that the international community hides it, sweeps it under the rug, makes excuses for it, redirects it....flat out lets them get away with such torture and cruelty is blatantly unconscionable at best. i'm relieved to see it reported, but that alone won't stop it. the world needs to come down hard on izrahell and any country (especially the US) who supports them...and i mean HARD. severe punitive sanctions, withdrawal of all aid, refusal to allow their participation, kick out their ambassadors & diplomats, ban them from international orgs, etc. etc. but...do you see anyone saying, "ok izrael, bye bye! you are done here in my country until you STOP behaving as the sociopathic nazis you've become." uhh...nope! and so the izraeli abuse, torture and terrorism goes on and on and on and on....and on and on and on... and the world allows it.
paranoia and narcissism are so deeply ingrained in the z-psyche, it catapults psychopathology into a whole new dimension of evils not seen anywhere else in the entire history of this planet. and the wounds these IOF (Insanely Obscene F***ers) inflict upon the innocent people from their relentless torture leave unhealed scars that bleed for a lifetime. that zionists are completely oblivious how they themselves are wholly responsible for the hate, disgust and outrage they incessantly invite upon themselves and indeed receive from the international community is another hallmark of how profoundly diseased they are. they only isolate themselves further in their own rabid existence.
meanwhile, back at the zionist ranch, the z's lounge proudly shining their diabolical knuckles on their chest thinking: "HAH! we did it! we won! HA HA!!! slowly, bit by bit, day by day, and only by breaching international law, we have indeed created a 'reality on the ground' that everyone is finally..FINALLY (whew!)..convinced cannot be changed. my, my...aren't we the ever-so-clever ones! those idiots have no idea. zionism WILL rule forever! let us be very clear: do NOT fool yourselves, we will NEVER allow this one-state jargon to touch our privileged existence! HA HA!!!" .....and everyone else just sits there and says, "well, yeah, true...[sigh]"
NOT ONCE in this article did anyone ever bring up enforcing international law, nor did they even touch upon the possibility of other states/countries bringing iZrael to account for such breaches. plus, not one mention of consequences: no punishments, no sanctions, no end of aid, no kicking them out of important groups...absolutely nothing! another CLEAR SIGN that the world has given in to zionism and thus helped cement their apartheid goals. an apathetic complacency has befallen humanity globally...and it is WE, the international community, who thus fail the Palestinians as much, if not more, than the psychopathic Z's.
if anyone thinks a one-state solution is the answer, wait until they see the civil war that naturally erupts. the war-mongering, power-hungry, paranoid narcissistic ideology of zionism is far more resilient and stronger than what most realize, it is the very core of their identity, it IS their very stability. they are nothing without it, they cannot thrive, period. no creature on earth will willingly stop breathing upon request, and if it's forced...well, survival mode kicks in. imagine the ensuing bloodshed. THAT is the reality.
it'd be far easier to remove 700,000 illegal squatters back beyond the green line, whether they like it or not...law is law...and send in NATO or UN troops to maintain peace at the borders. in addition, the international community needs to grow a pair of gonads and really tighten the screws on izrael. if anything could be successfully 'forced' onto the zionists, it should be compliance with international law.
"...no matter how far it spins into vile apartheid thuggery."
this is seriously, gravely, disturbingly understated...more like: speeding exponentially as murderous criminal terrorism, which it truly is.