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Once again, I beg you to remember, what the Hasbaratchiks do here has nothing at all to do with facts, nothing at all to do with morals, and is a-historical.
The intent of the trolls is to present the Zionist Jew as a powerful, macho guy, who is sure of his (or her) own superiority, and in command of his fate.
They hope this will present an appealing picture.
"Cuz when the penny finally drops, you’re need sedation and hospitalization."
I wouldn't worry on his behalf. The end of a Ziocaine jag is usually the typical Ziocaine amnesia. That's when they forget all the facts presented to them, also forget everything they said, and they come back and say all the same dumb things again.
Ah, but the emotional kick you get from a Ziocaine jag? Better than any drug, and best when enjoyed in like company.
Instead of nursing a beer, we sit around nursing a grudge.
"and I include justice for Israelis whose society is being perverted by a right-wing government with neo-fascist tendencies"
Gosh, who'd a thunk it? And who on earth could have ever expected it. Why, when I think of all the ethno-religious supremacist colonial projects which turned into stable inclusive democracies (and most of those in the midst of even longer occupations and expansionist strategies) and mature societies at peace with themselves and their neighbors, it's just shocking that this happened at all, that anything went wrong. I mean, Jews would move in, use the indefinite "homeland" promise, kick out the British, and eliminate the Palestinians and take their property. What could possibly go wrong?
Your entire comment is predicated on making us share an assumption that Israel is something it isn't. Israel is what it is.
And I, fool that I am will always be, as Mr. Croce says, get all flustered at the Israel-firsters. And yet look at the result; several new commentors (new to me, at least) and some very interesting viewpoints and lots of confirming evidence. Almost want to thank Fredblogs. Maybe I could send him a copy of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Probably frighten him right to Tel Aviv. 'Oy Gevalt, these are the rights they give people in this crazy country? I've got to go somewhere a Jew can be safe!'
"Your ability to reach for the bottom in morality is to be admired..."
Just imagine the liberating effect it could have for a young Jew who is conflicted, and feels himself pulled in contradictory moral and political directions!
"rachel lost her bearings and let it all hang out. when i awoke in the morning the conversation was gone.
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Even anti-Zionists have feelings of decency. I guess the mods. didn't want poor Rachel to embrrass herself so publicly.
"This is insane. Israel is going to become a prison for Israeli’s."
I wish you guys would take me more seriously (well, I wish I could take me more seriously, but let it go) when I keep saying that Jews were always intended to be the primary victims of Zionism. Of course, the Palestinians are suffering more in all terms, but the primary aim was to force Jews back into a ghetto system which was dissolving all over the world. Of course, if Judaism thinks it needs the things Zionism gives it, we are so screwed.
Klaus, you are (not that it is much of an accomplishment) a braver man than me. I decided over 30 years ago I would never set foot in the place. Israel scares me to death.
"How about you simply report his views without labels, like good journalists do?"
Mondoweiss should thank its lucky stars that a sucessful Journalist and writer like you, Hophmi, is willing to offer free critiques and advice. They are worth every penny Mondo pays for them.
I bet Hophmi can't understand why an Army or police force hasn't invaded Mondoweiss headquarters, and made the squatters like him the new owners. There's just no justice in theis world for Jews, huh, Hophmi?
Jeez, Hophmi, I can understand why you are so intent on making Jews appear to be brutal, inhumane, and criminal. All in a day's work for Zionists, always ready to show that Jews can't live with ordinary humans. And of course, all your experience with persecution and anti-Semitism convinces you that a Jewish State and lots of money will always be the reward for that. That I understand. But do you have to make us look so stupid?
Looks like some comments got deported, including some of mine in response.
And I whole heartedly agree with your choice, thanks. Always willing to have my babies thrown out with the bathwater, if you think it best.
"I concede that Israel" Fredblogs
And reality breaths a sigh of relief, knowing that Fredblogs concedes it exists. He was really worried about whether he could chage enough to conform to Fredblog's expectations.
And Fredblogs, thanks for including that well-cited list of countries which "discriminate against Jews immigrating to them.”
Or maybe I should just take your word for it, considering that up til now (or heretofore, if you want to put it like that, which I do) not the slightest teeniest crack in you credibility has ever been exposed.
"A justified discrimination since there are so many countries that discriminate against Jews immigrating to them."
Jeez Fredblah, don't stop there! Just a couple more tiny steps and Israel will be "justified" in gassing people, and slave labor camps. After all, at some point somebody has done all that to us.
"Fredblogs, keep on posting. The more you write the easier it is for people to see the racism in Zionism."
As I have suggested timidly once or twice, that's exactly what he wants! First, there's always the hope that non-Jews will see the racism, arrogance and tribal supremacism in Zionism and conclude it extends to all Jews, thus making them suspicious and fearful of Jews. That is music to their ears. Second, it's a shout-out to any racists and bigots in the community, assuring them they will meet like-minded bigots in Zionism.
So it's a win-win!
"Are you *really* so blind as to believe it?"
I have come to the conclusion that Zionists are in love with anti-Semitism. They consider it their greatest ally and friend. The only thing which scares them is that it is disappearing. But as Fred and the rest show us every day, they know what to do about it. If it isn't there, they will just create it. It serves them two ways: 1) The more they can convince people that Jews are a breed apart, the worse relations between Jews and non-Jews will be, and they plan to reap the benefits.
2) If anti-Semitism can be produced in big enough quantities, Jews may have no choice but to go to Israel. Than, as they did before, they can pick out the better "human material" among them, instead of having to dredge up people from Africa, who they don't even like.
"Religiousist, (if that were a word), not racist."
Oh, that makes it all-right! So as long as the USA deports all of its Jews on a religiousist (sic) and not a racist basis, you're cool with it?
And the Nazis would be perfectly all right as long as they excluded Jews from Germany on a religious rather than racial basis?
"Believe me, you do not want the government asking who’s a Jew and who’s not."
C'mon now, you can't expect Fredblogs to understand American principles of equality and rule-of-law. I mean, it's not like he' lives here, or has had an American education.
"I’ve never heard of that before."
A quick perusal of "gazacalling's" comment archive will show you pretty much what he has and hasn't heard of. And what a proponent of women's rights this man is!
Fredblogs, if you want to say that your idea of Israeli law is simply judgement-by-religion, don't beat around the bush.
But of course, I can understand perfectly why you won't go there. You prefer Gentile justice and administration, even tho the Christmas lights remind you of concentration camps.
Levy, analysing the repurcussions of the racail attacks in Israel in the column you linked asks: "What shall we say then to the world if it closes its doors to Israelis (if they must flee an Israeli collapse) just as the doors are now being closed in the faces of the African migrants, many of whom are fleeing for their lives?"
Can he really be so niave he doesn't know that kind of reaction would be the Zionists regime's fondest dream come true? If the world closes its doors to fleeing Israelis, they will have no choice but to stay in Israel, and be at the mercy of the Zionist regime. What's not to like, for the GOI?
In fact it would not surprise me at all if the GOI in that instance doesn't tell other countries: 'Those Jews belong to us, and you must not take them in, to do so would be an act of (can you guess?) anti-Semitism!'
"lumberjacks and water carriers"
Oh, there's no need to carry heavy pails here. Anytime you're thirsty, just look up and open your mouth.
"Madonna told Tel Aviv- “when peace comes to Israel it will come to the whole world”
And all the Israelis in the audience cried "God Forbid" with one voice.
"modanna is as phony and cheap as Israel."
I'm sort of grateful to her for picking a stage name which told me instantly she was a must to avoid. And I have done so, I think, pretty sucessfully, thank God.
"On Tuesday during a Knesset meeting a Kadima member and advocate for Tel Aviv's social protest movement intensified an anti-African debate by proposing to round up leftists sympathetic to migrants in work camps"
Yes, sir, I just don't see how anything can be done until we have that big Jewish conversation.
And now I'm feeling an overwheming compulsion to play the saprano saxophone. What is happening to me?
Okay, now I know what's been bothering me. Ever since I was old enough to know ethnic cleasing from spiritual fulfillment and self-determination (hint: one doesn't leave bodies behind it) I considered Zionism to have a parasitic relationship with Judaism, that it was something which attacked and attached itself to a weakened creature. And sucked what it needed without regard for the host.
I tried very hard to avoid the idea that the relationship might be symbiotic, but I don't know if that's possible any longer. And that's an awful thought.
Seafoid, I couldn't agree more. Anybody who thinks anything good on IP issues will arise from a "Jewish community" or "Jewish leaders" or allowing "these conversations in Jewish communities", is way off, and it's hard for me not to think they are unclear about what is going on. Not to mention the idea that a discussion of this nature in that place can be had and people will "respectfully hear each other out".
Would have been better if they wrote back: 'Oh, don't worry about cancelling us, we were able to book a Methodist Church for the discussion. You're welcome to come.'
"We should do all we can to widen the circle of young Jews engaging in that conversation. Please open your doors to these young Jews."
I mean c'mon, it's not like they're going to let any Gentiles in or anything.
"Who better to certify that all of the targets were Muslims."
Good one!
Morning after Obama is elected, and he's talking over the transition with the military:
O: 'I'm gonna end all those stupid wars and Bush era policies!'
Military: 'Don't do that! Sure it was a total screw-up when Bush was President, but now that a genius, and incredible administrator, and a man with a super-human yet compassionate sense of justice, (and if you'll excuse me Mr. President, one so handsome with such a great singing voice) is in charge, a real Constitutional scholar like you, why these policies will work great. You're the only guy who can do it!'
O: 'Gosh, you military really do like me, don't you. And you understand me so well!'
Military: 'Just trust us Mr. President. We'd never, ever do anything to make you look bad or catch you in a cross. No, we want you to get all the credit!'
O: Gee, Thanks guys. You know, I think you're right. I am a genius, and the only man in the world fit to go through lists, look at slides and qualified to decide who will die. Thanks for recognising it, and I know I can trust you guys.
Military, after leaving room: My God, what a chump, we played him like cheap violin!'
"but of the relative silence of the Muslim community"
And of course, if Muslims did concern themselves with it (and who says they don't, other than "Simon Broomer"?) than he would castigate them for being more concerned with what goes on in Syria instead of their own countries. And notice the good old weasel-word "relative silence"? Relative to what?
"Don’t feed the troll .
There is nothing new or interesting in his rhetoric, i encountered it a thousand times."
Did you really think that was going to prevent people from bringing up your comments toward Klaus? Or is this just another case of Ziocaine amnesia?
"the spiritual damage affects all of us that count ourselves among half way decent people."
I, too want to be counted among those people, but 1 or 2 percent (on a good day) is not 50, not by a long shot.
"I seem to have lost my copy of Peter Beinart's book in the subway."
Is that better or worse than losing your virginity in a taxicab, as one reputedly dipsomaniacal half-Jewish writer said she did?
"Your logic and motivation elude me."
Wow, if my logic and motivation elude you, don't go looking for your posterior regions two-handed. I don't like Zionism. I believe that Zionism is just as dangerous to Jews as it is to anybody else. The thought of what Zionism will do to Jews if given a free hand world-wide terrifies me.
"I don’t want to argue anything except that the sentence I quoted seems absurd."
You're right, it's absurd to believe that those intent on establishing a regime, with the intent to colonise and take the country from its inhabitants would in any way misinform, minipulate, or sacrifice people if they were co-religionists. I don't know where I get those crazy ideas.
I don't know why I think that whatever people are willing to do to the other they are willing to do to each other. Maybe just a funny idea I get from being a Jew, maybe not.
"My parents didn’t tell me these things. I feel deprived"
I don't doubt that for a second. Look, it's not to late to start believing them now. I'm sure you have the basic groundwork, it'll just take a little effort.
"Don’t get the gentiles upset they will kill us all.""
Yeah, you can tell how scared we are of the Gentiles. Afraid to live near them, afraid to marry their sons or daughters (my God, they would kill us for that. Afraid to compete with them for the better jobs. Afraid to make any money, and terrified of getting involved in politics, lest it trigger a pogrom. Why we're so afraid of the Gentiles we even criticise Israel, making ourselves unwelcome there, just to placate the Gentiles.
You're a plenty smart guy Oleg. Real smart.
“If not Zionism then what is the future that he want’s for the Jews,
the American ones at least.”
I am convinced Phil seems very to much to want what Zionists consider the worst of all fates for Jews. He wants them to live in peace with themselves and with others.
I know Oleg, you get sick just seeing it, but it had to be said.
It's just disgusting, isn't it Oleg, that somebody would settle for peace when victory is sooooo near.
"Oh how the mediocre have fallen."
Oh good old Newclenchner is open to any point of view except the patently ridiculous one that a Zionist might do something wrong. Other than that, he's ready for anything.
"It will serve in such capacity...."
'Gosh, if only a huge burst of anti-Semitism forced American Jews to Israel as supplicants to the Zionist regime, and we could show them just how we feel about them, wouldn't life be one long sweet song'
"why should I see anything good about the Palestinians, whose past history is suicide bombing?"
"Let's see,' says Hophmi to himself as he decides to comment, 'they ban you around here for Nakba denial. I bet I can get away with Nakba denial by inference, tho'
Cause those suicide bombers just came out of nowhere, and nothing ever happened to set off those bombers, it's just the Palestinian nature, huh Hophmi? And after all those Zionists came to Palestine specifically to do them good, too.
"I never said that Judaism was about obedience or hierarchy or groupthink, just that it has a strong (I believe essential) component of collective identity and identification."
Oy, you got me Shmuel. I should know better, and now I look like an ass, which may be more or less humiliating for me than others. I'm not sure.
At any rate, as soon as I read your response it hit me: When is an "essential component of collective identity and identification" ever associated with or even found in the same place as "obedience or hierarchy or groupthink". Can't think of a single instance.
And evets, if you want to argue that the "ghetto" system for Jews is the ideal way to handle the Jewish community, and will be of more benefit to Jews than living as individual citizens, you are welcome to bring it on. I'm sure you can drown me in facts supporting your view.
If you want to argue that making Jews second-class or non-citizens and making them live seperately encourages Jews to be better to each other, go right ahead.
And don't forget to finish up with about a million examples showing that the ways in which Jews relate, politically, socially and religiously to each other in Israel is the best way Jews could possibly live. You know, without any awful Gentiles to oppress us.
You woul;d prefer to bring the disagreement or accusation of crime before a Rabbi or unspecified "Jewish Leader"? And have your dispute or criminal complaint judged by them, using their standards for judgement?
You go right ahead, and welcome to it.
And after that, tell me how we will be advantaged by bringing Israeli-style "justice" and administration to America. I'd love to hear about it.
And then you can finish up with a lecture on the great legal and political accomplishments of Judaism.
Unlike some people I could mention, Beinart knows and has thoroughly absorbed the principle that an inheritance is a gift, not a right.
"Israel does not exist to please American Jews or to be safe haven for
them in case something happens.It will serve in such capacity if needed
but that is not the prime directive so to speak."
I am always amazed, Oleg, at your ability to make statements which to me appear so incredibly stupid, but then you back them up with a staggering array of facts and bullet-proof references.
"to the 19th-20th century Musar movement."
Funny how a simple misspelling turns an ungulate into a lone wolf, isn't it Shmuel?
So tell me Shmuel, if Judaism is a "we" thing (that is not a circumcision joke!) why are you encouraging Jews to consult their own conscience and intelligence? Shouldn't we wait until the Jewish leaders and authorities decide to reject Zionism and follow suit?
What good would doing away with, or even merely correcting in some sense, Zionism do if we lose our essential "we thing" Judaism? Jeez, Shmuel, if we start judging things as individuals and consulting our consciences instead of our Rabbis or........ (you will to write in whatever is considered a "Jewish Leader other than a Rabbi, since I don't know)
I mean, I'm as anti-Zionist as the next fellow, but what is more important, being right with my own conscience and judgements, or being in thrall to the completely and cynically fungible Jewish "we" and "Jewish Leaders" and always waiting for somebody with more Jewish cred to tell me what to do, lest I become un-Jewish?
What profiteth a guy if he wins the fight against Zionism but loses his Jewish soul?
And anytime you want to tell me who the Jewish "we" is, I'm all ears. Kids used to make fun of me all the time about it.
You forgot to add that for the first time in history since Judaism began, Jews are also free from opression or exploitation by other Jews who were able to exploit other Jews because a) the Gerntile society did not interest itself in crimes against Jews, or b) the exploiting Jews were the designated intermediaries between Gentiles and Jews.
This is the great advance in Judaism, and this is what the Zionists are fighting against. The right to exploit and oppress other Jews, without the possibility that Jews can appeal to the Gentile or civil law for respite is the Zionist dream.
"Some people just won’t make an effort."
Considering the augmentations plastic surgeons can make below the neck, it should be a simple matter. After all you only have one nose, not two.
Yup, only himself to blame. And Israel has Socialised Medicine, too.
"Oh you definitely are mistaken. From everything I’ve read from you, America doesn’t enter into your identity, nor into your thinking, at all."
Now don't go away mad, Fredlags (Just...) I don't want you to think I think you aren't good enough to be an American. It's just unfortunate that the union of soviet republics, a place where a man with your talents could have really shone, broke up a while back. After all hasbaratchnik is just a word I made up. But apparatchik was a real job, and paid pretty good.
Oh, BTW, Ferdbloss, I don't want to scare you, but one of the basic tenets of an American is "all men are created equal". Disgusting, isn't it? No allowance for chooseness, no Biblical land deeds. But that's the way it is, as imperfectly as we realise it.
Why would you stay in a place where your true worth can't be recognised?
"Actually Mooser, I’m an American. I believe I have pointed this out to you before, but I could be mistaken."
Oh you definitely are mistaken. From everything I've read from you, America doesn't enter into your identity, nor into your thinking, at all.
But by the way, how can you stand it here, when Israel needs you so, and here you have to see Christmas decorations? When are you going alley-oop or whatever it is?
"from the fundamental moral underpinnings of Judaism."
I didn't know there was such a thing. I thought there were only religious beliefs. And if Fredblogs, as I know he can, comes up with any number of citations showing that Zionism is in the great tradition of "Jewish moral underpinnings" what then?
"I don’t know why you have to hate Israel, but you do."
You tell 'em Fredblobs! I mean, it's not like we have good reason for hating, not like all the good reasons Israelis have to hate Palestinians!
"But the “Shoah festivities” have been adopted into Judaism."
Well, there's no business like....
Anyway, it's nice to know that Atzmon and Fredblogs are on the same side concerning BDS. Scratch an Israeli, and you'll find an Israeli, every time.
"We’re just regular boring people like you Fred...."
Fredblogs a "regular boring person"? Surely not! Why, I don't know anybody who spends all day in front of a computer at a website they hate, trying to lie for a country they don't live in.
"That’s why Phil started this blog in the first place. He was personally burned."
Well, at any rate, that's what the Zionist trolls keep telling us, that this is no more than a way for Phil to settle personal scores or psychological issues. Thanks for adding your voice to the chorus.
"The experience of Jews being afraid of their surroundings is not new."
And what makes it all so horrible is the fact that it never happens to anybody else! Let's take just one example from recent history: the campaign to encourage Africans to come work in the pre-civil-war US. They were offered a large sum just as a sign-up bonus, got a first-class, all-expenses-paid trip on a luxury cruise ship, and when they got here, everybody did everything they could to see they never suffered a moment's discomfort or fear.
Would they have treated Jews like that? I doubt it!
And the things they did to make Asians welcome and comfortable in the US! But Jews had to make it all on their own, in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.
"Israel has a long history of intellectual thievery and cyber crime and is not to be trusted. Ever."
Hey, the Israelis are just doing what God tells them to, and if you don't believe me, ask Him yourself.
And BTW, "I was only following orders" may not get you off at Nuremberg, but they were only obeying Hitler. Hitler wasn't God, you know!
"So: damned if they did it, and damned if they didn’t."
You got it, Winnimuca! When you take your religion, and try to turn it into a nationality, to escape the responsibilities of both, nothing good will happen.
But I don't disparage you for not knowing that, since you're not an American. .
Good old Lao Tzu! Sure, he may be a Chinese sage, but to me, he's just everyday people.
But Shingo, centrifuges go round and round, and fuel rods go up and down (or in and out)! How could the same programming or computers possibly control them? All the centrifuges would hop around like frogs and the fuel rods start spinning really fast. And what would be the harvest of that up-shot?
"The idea that a piece of software designed for one kind of an organization – a manager of centrifuges, say – could inadvertently impact a totally different kind of organization – a nuclear reactor, say – is laughable."
Sure! That's why I have one computer to do spreadsheets, and another one to play music, and another completely different computer to graphics work.
I've got one computer to record music, and another one to play it back.....
I must admit, Winnica, you did one of the best jobs of validating your own ignorance I've seen in a while.
"kind of zionist blood oath or ‘make your bones’ first to actually get a slice of the benefits."
Would it surprise you if those closest to the initial dispossession or those in the military closest to the original Zionist terrorist groups occupy the highest rungs of the Israeli regime?
"and exactly what are the newly acquired attributes that could possibly justify putting all living beings at risk?’
Tanning oil, steroids, and personal ads in Tel Aviv
"and exactly what are the newly acquired attributes that could possibly justify putting all living beings at risk?'
Don't you understand? Now Zionist Jews can, as a final insult to the Gentiles, have a country and a nationality they can think about in the same degraded, exceptionalist, violent way that Zionist Jews think all the Gentiles think about their own country and nationality. Besides, it's a rough neighborhood.
And over on another thread, good 'ol Hophmi is tells us "the history of the Palestinians is suicide bombing".
"It was British Military Intelligence HQ. As such, it was not a civilian target."
One of the side effects of the Ziocaine Syndrome is irony-poor blood.
Okay, chump, it wasn't a "civilian target", I guess instead of terrorism, it comes under the 'biting the hand which feeds you' tenet of Zionism. Want to remind me again why the Zionist terrorists had to go to war with the authors and administrators of the Balfour Declaration? Or was it just a thoughtful demonstration to encourage British-Jewish amity back in Merrie Olde?
"What a bunch of jerks. There’s a time and a place for protests and the middle of a play is neither the time nor the place"
What a bunch of jerks. There’s a time and a place for terrorist bombings and the middle of a civilian hotel, the King David, is neither the time nor the place.
"the left hates the smell of the working class"
That is so awful of them. If anybody ever tells me exactly who "the left" is, I will go right over and set them straight or punch them in the nose!
But apparently this "the left" is an even more slippery and fungible person than "the Jews".
Oh, I do know one identifiable and real component of "the left". You know, all those "extremeist lefty's" who are so critical of Israel and enamored of Palestinian rights! But thank the Good Lord above, nobody here would associate or lend support to leftist ideas like that. It would be, well, leftist.
"I went to college after getting out of the Army, that’s where I first learned what the (relatively) elite thinks of the US military, and most especially of the common grunt."
Woody, you criticise this statement as if Citizen hadn't done his Masters thesis on the subject, and just formed a subjective opinion! You have to learn to respect peer-reviewed sociological research using scientific sampling and data collection! You can't just blow it off.
"(and censoring discussions about it)"
Ah! The link makes it all clear! Click it and learn!
"Strategic thinking is not always a lube for war, it can be the reverse."
And once I perfect the program I'm working on which allows us to see the future infallibly, our strategic thinking should be even more suberb than it has been.
Phil, I love ya! What a guy! So West Point is the "anti-war thinktank", and a conversation around the Jewish dinner-table is gonna redeem Israel, and us happily (well, you can speak for yourself) married guys are the "losers" in the sexual sweepstakes.
You are one hell of a blithe spirit. It's better to stay "forever young" than be the "neighborhood bully" of course, but sometimes I wonder if you couldn't make the desert bloom solely with the precipitation from behind your auriculas. Oh well, perhaps the deeper meanings escape me. It wouldn't be the first time.
"BTW, in additional to being spit on by college students as an X-Army kid, back in the day, I was beaten by Chicago cops for being a hippy-peacenik"
Why Annie, are you saying Citizen is prevaricating or embroidering? On the other hand, doesn't it rain quite a bit, with a sharp wind, in Chicago?
." I just don’t think you yourself have ever been tested as young adults, average age 19, were."
What the hell is this? I was tested, and passed with flying colors! I made arrangements to go to Canada, if necessary, and swore to myself that if I did end up in the military I would desert. And to this day, no one has ever been able to break me of my cowardice in the face of battle, it's the one attribute (and family tradition, I might add) I have been unswervingly loyal to!
I wasn't going to let anybody but me dispose of my life, or make me kill if I could help it. I passed the test.
But don't beat yourself up over it, Citizen (which it's pretty much obvious you are, you protest way, way too much) we all make mistakes when we are too young to know any better. And given our media diet, how on earth could any young man have an objective view of military service? And the desire for approval is almost overwhelming in the young male, and we are very easily manipulated by it. You aren't the only one.
And if you're into Russian writers try Dostoevsky. He wrote a book about me, you know. I'm sure you know the title.
"Exactly what do you think that college people are required to think of the people who choose to join the military?"
Well, it's hard to blame them for being contemptuous of a guy who slogged through years of military service, when he could have gone to college, been recruited by the CIA, and stayed on to do well funded research for the Pentagon.
I'm sorry, Annie. Should've just ignored him. But as I said, I can't stand panty-sniffers.
“Not much,” Col. Gian P. Gentile, the director of West Point’s military history program and the commander of a combat battalion in Baghdad in 2006, said flatly in an interview last week. “Certainly not worth the effort. In my view.”
But not enough to make you resign? Then you're a punk, and if you can live with yourself, you're a psychopath. But of course, that's pretty much a given for an officer.
"Third, I do remember being 19"
So do I, and I wasn't going to take orders from any gaddam insane southern officer. Nor was I going to shoot at people who ate better food than me, and had prettier women.
And I didn't want to die a virgin, but it looks like I'll just have to face up to that.
Okay, so tell me why we were over there killing the Vietnamese at all? And most soldiers didn't need to do what Calley did. Why go through all that noise and expose yourself when you can just call in an airstrike?
"Unfortunately, the opinions of our military leadership are too easily flushed from the bathroom of POTUS"
Yeah all those defense and intelligence officials are begging Obama at the "kill list" meetings every week not to do it. Sometimes they even threaten to frown at the thought of killing innocents.
If you are an officer, and you really think you are being asked to carry out illegal (let alone unprofitable) policies, you must resign. It's not the same as a disagreement over what color to paint the walls in the office.
Les, that's ridiculous, completely ridiculous. Any officer who agreed with you (torture, assasination, war crimes, atrocities and the ruin and death of American men and women) should resign, not just be troubled by it. And they don't.
Well around here, near PGNS, Keyport, Bangor and good old Ft Lewis (home of the Stryker Force, and jumping off point for Iraq) we all consider our soldiers and sailors real heroes. After all we all make our living off them.
"Their college student age peers use to spit on our soldiers when they came home."
Oh really? Got a cite for that? Even one? The only spitting incident I ever heard of was one where VFA louts spit on returning soldiers for 'losing the war'.
But I'm prepared to apologise anytime you find a cite for the "Their college student age peers use to spit on our soldiers when they came home."
Sorry Citizen, it didn't happen. Except of course, for the VFA guys, and I'm not sure you can call them "the left"
"The left makes me as sick as the right does."
Now, if only you could define "the left" and show where it has the slightest impact on your life, you might almost have a point.
"Likewise I hope this site continues its positive trend in staying clear from annoying social liberalism "
So we can spend more time on right-wing, conservative causes like supporting the Palestinians?
What the hell is your game, gazacalling? Whether you like it or not, the Palestinian cause is a social liberal cause.
Please, gazacalling, please go find me the enormous cohort which espouses neo-conservatism, second-class staus for women, a move away from liberal principles to right-wing solution, and the rights of the Palestinians. Yes sir, I can sure see that, a guy with "Stop Killing Babies" on one side of his sign and "Free Palestine from the Zionists, Stop the Occupation" on the other.
I strongly suggest that anybody who wishes to engage "gazacalling" should take a look at his comment archive, especially the posts on women's rights, or rather, how to take them away.
And on a personal note, I find panty-sniffers very creepy.
"I really can’t think of a reason why I should be treated better than a Palestinian."
Well, there it is, Fredblug! The very essence of Jewish self-hatred, huh?
"That’s what the Nazis said about Jews."
Yeah, you can really tell that Fredblogs was profounfly affected by the Holacaust. Just sticks out all over him, donnit?
"disputed territory"
Fredblogs, if I ever, as the song says "swallow something evil" nobody will need to "stick your finger down my throat". Just a few words from you will have, I'm sure, the desired emetic effect.
"Never mind, Fredblogs, I see the 73% you give is from a poll sponsored by The Israel Project;"
Are you trying to say that Fredblogs cited a spurious poll from what we might call a hardly disinterested source? Say it ain't so Citizen! You're shattering my world!
Humm…..’will ever’ and never again’…. destined to be famous last words.
Does anybody besides me remember the China Lobby, and how we were gonna fight it out to the end with Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalists?
" If I know someone supports israel, for any reason, I will refuse to do business with that person."
I'm with you, Woody. If someone thinks it's allright to steal from or hurt Palestinians, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't steal from or hurt a Jew. I really can't think of a reason why I should be treated better than a Palestinian. And I would wager most people here would agree, I'm no better than an "Arab".
"And especially Brown Lab owners."
As of two weeks ago, my doggie's chastity and virtue have been surgically assured. She will devote the rest of her life to selfless service, contemplation and prayer. Besides, she has no difficulty reaching her own escutcheon with her snout.
“I guess according to you, Roha, when black people move to an all-white neighborhood, they’re invading it.”
Hophmi, please don't do this! Just like anybody else, I may need legal help someday. Don't convince me that every lawyer got his reasoning skills from a Crackerjack box.
What a feeble, pathetic attempt at "blackwashing" that was Hophmi. Yet revealing. Gosh, I am wondering, who is the one who thinks when "black people move to an all-white neighborhood, they’re invading it". In school, they taught us an old Yiddish proverb, roughly translated as "He who smelt it, dealt it"
Oh, I'm sorry, Fredblogs. It only took me a few minutes to realise that all we need is your word on it. I mean, based on your record of complete and unbiased credibility, it would be downright churlish of me not to accept anything you say as God's truth.
Fredblogs is a man with a mission! A one-man campaign to prove to the world just how stupid, brutal and inhumane Jews are. That'll show those Gentiles they can't push us around!
"73% of them say they would."
Another blizzard of irreproachably sourced and cited proof. So now we are going to judge people by what "73%" say according to an unamed and uncited poll, (if it was even a poll, not just whole cloth.)? Shall we play the same game with Israelis, and can we include any number of surveys, videotape and books?
"No, just because in every region, and forever, some of the inhabitants just sprout from the ground hating moose."
I thought, oh, for a few glorious seconds, I would get a break in America, but when that fish-stealing, carrion-eating, toupee-wearing raptor edged me out (through methods I will not lower myself to delineate) for National Animal Symbol, I knew it was gonna be rough here, too.