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  • Israel's new Asian allies
    • One day Israel may be relying on a Chinese veto at the UN, not a US one.

      Not a chance. It is not in China's interest. China has a sizable Muslim population and it does not want trouble within its borders. Don't forget that Tiananmen Square was to quell the uprising the Uighers (Muslims).

      I suspect that Jonathan Cook does not speak Chinese. He should rely, therefore, on the insights of Chas Freeman, who does.

      The Middle East and China

  • Racism is in the air: Video showing racist exchange between Israelis and a flight attendant goes viral
    • American, your AF Colonel friend is right, and not just about obedience. My uncle was head of one of the most elite sections of the AirForce, their top pilots. I was staying with him one time when he and my aunt went out to the mess for dinner with friends. He came back with a heavy heart. He was going to have to let his top pilot go. The guy got drunk. I said, "That's all?" He said yes, if you can't hold your liquor when your feet are on the ground, it means you can't take g-force under battle flight conditions. You have to go. My aunt told me later that my uncle used Saturday night drinks to determine who had the right stuff early on in their training.

    • And why they were rude? In part, back where they came from, politeness was something reserved for higher society, and only within the higher society. On top of that, properly accented Polish sounds rather rude to more eastern Slavic speakers, with klipped and missing vowels, and “hard” consonants, so the perception of rudeness (as an object of emulation) was amplified (similarly, proper British accent may sound patronizing, amplifying the perception which is also based on actual behavior).

      Astute observation.

  • Jewish groups that blindly support Israel make US and European Jews potential victims of violence -- Avnery
    • “Swedish state radio asked the Israeli ambassador if Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism,” he revealed. “That’s disgusting and insane. The claim that Jews bear responsibility for anti-Semitism is one of the most ancient expressions of anti-Semitism.”said Bali.

      No, it's not. It's a logical question to ask these days. The Irish have a wonderful declarative phrase, "You've brought it on yourself."

      Do you think there is no consequence to the actions of "The Jewish State," as Netanyahu insists, and the kingdom of Jews worldwide, whom Netanyahu claims he represents? This isn't WWII. And no one is persecuting Jews just for being Jews (that only happens to Muslims today with the distinct urging in the US of rabid pro-Israeli Jewish activists). Your lying king of the Jews is about to address our Congress to foment war, which will kill more American progeny, in contradiction to his own intelligence service stating there is no Iran threat. Honey badger don’t give a shit. Your warring king of the Jews thinks nothing of murdering and torturing the indigenous people of the land you stole.

      So if you re going to insist on your own country and state it can only be made up of Jews, then hike up your pants and take responsibility for what you wrought like a man. You're in the big leagues now, and international criticism comes with the territory. Deal with it. But you don’t get to invoke 70 years ago as an excuse, or a brickbat. Times have changed.

    • while sicko Wahhabism manifested by ISIS and like groups has nothing to do with Islam. Tarring all of Islam because of a few terrorists is as wrong as tarring all of Christianity because of organizations like the KKK.

      Oh come off it, Walid.

      You expect Americans to understand Wahhabism? They don't even understand their own federal monetary system. Nor do they perceive the need to. Ninety-five percent of them are vaguely aware that they were once in the top-10 of educated countries 40 years ago, but have no clue that they now lead the top of the bottom half. Americans are uneducated idiots. Seriously lacking. Corresponds to the vaunted "meritocracy" taking over.

  • Univ of Toronto faculty await answers in JDL's disruption of divestment event
  • Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack
  • 'American Sniper' is an antiwar movie
  • No one's talking about peace in Israeli election, U.S. liberal Zionists are warned
  • Netanyahu's disaster: speech cost 'omnipotent' lobby a veto proof majority for Iran sanctions
    • Not in the Senate. Netanyahu has killed that.

    • You're right, seafood, but we won't see the net effect of that until 2018. That's going to be a big wake-up call. Oddly enough, I believe it will be because the PDO and AMO are going negative. (That's the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, respectively.) The two of them will be completely negative by 2020. Chinese, Japanese, and Russian scientists--who are not under the western spell--have published significant papers (unreported here) describing the cold spell that will last until 2036 (some Chinese scientists are saying 2068.) Nothing concentrates the mind like cold that is killing citizens, and wreaking havoc.

      As for the economy, it was the abdication of its congressional duty when the Republicans controlled both houses from 1995 to 2007 that caused the financial mess coupled with the Bill Clinton admin's utter failure to understand the federal monetary system. (When the US government is in surplus, the people are in deficit.) God save us from a Hillary presidency; she's taking advice from Larry Summers, an arrogant idiot. The only person on the Hill who knows what s/he is doing is Stephanie Kelton, the Chief Economist for the Democratic Senate budget committee.

    • Irishmoses, the Lobby only has to convince 535 congressmen for a PR win in its estimation.

      The Lobby has no control over the long-tail effect on the greater population.

    • It would be able, under this deal, to break out to a nuclear weapon in a short time, and within a few years, to have the industrial capability to produce many nuclear bombs for the goal of our destruction.

      Hey, Dirtbag, you can't make a nuclear weapon out of a fuel; you need metal. The output of gas centrifuges is a GAS (fuel).

      Maybe if you'd actually made your own nuclear weapons instead of stealing them, you'd know that.

    • Bill Kristol:

      I’m sure that, as a former secretary of state, you’d have no problem getting a ticket to the speech — but if there’s some problem, do let me know and I’d be happy to put in a word with the Speaker.

      A former Secretary of State AND a former First Lady needs a Fox announcer, a self-proclaimed Israeli fanboy, to swing the Speaker of the House?

      Even in levity, Kristol is as tone deaf as Netanyahu. The Jews control Congress meme? Seriously? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion line?

  • Stanford petition misrepresents resolution to divest from occupation
    • @seafoid, re: Deep Dish,

      There was a group that played on the streets of Manhattan--specifically 6th Ave and around 51 St.--that was doing what Deep Dish is doing. I would always stop and give them whatever spare change I had. It was not what was popular then. I loved it, but then I had been making synthesized music for about two years by that point. Whoever they were they were waaaay ahead of their time.

    • @JeffB,

      annie is right in February 10, 2015, 10:33 pm. I have Hasbara-Fatigue so I'm not up for copying the string of links I could detailing events from April, 2014. (It would mean going through a bunch of PDFs to get the link at the bottom.) They're in the archives here, anyway. Israel initiated the war. Period.

      They discovered the tunnels as a result of bombing Gaza.

      You an attempt to rewrite history all you want, but there are many us who preserve this stuff contemporaneously.

  • A cosmopolitan's regrets: Roger Cohen on the Jewish condition
    • Got that right, and he's really stupid about it.

      There is a language Moscow understands: antitank missiles, battlefield radars, reconnaissance drones. Bolster the Ukrainian Army with them and other arms. Change Putin’s cost-benefit analysis. There are risks but no policy is risk-free.


      For what it's worth, the only Russian analyst worth listing to, or reading, is Stephen Cohen. Roger is a hack at it.

    • Till I read that story I will find the Zionism unconvincing

      He's getting older. He's looking for religion.

  • Speech to AIPAC could give Netanyahu his out
    • Netanyahu isn't a religious leader. He was elected, and with only 740,000+ votes at that. No comparison, none at all.

    • And he’d get full attendance of Congress after all!

      Smart politicians should avoid showing for his speech; meaning the ones who have already said they won't appear in Congress. They're going to get clocked.

    • but as a representative of the entire Jewish people,” Netanyahu said

      Really. This might come back to bite a lot of people in the ass.

      Why do American Jews let him get away with this?

    • I fuckin' agree with Krauss. What a line, Seafoid! Loved it.

  • In historic vote, UC Student Association endorses call for divestment in support of Palestinian rights
    • It's only your personal definition of anti-semitism that is being offended, hophmi, not the world's. Perhaps you should drop it. You'll feel better.

  • New leftwing anti-semitism is when Jews feel 'attacked' over Israel's conduct
    • @pabelmont,

      You are addressing an important point. It's mission-creep. Why should anti-semitism elbow its way to the class? And I like your point about political speech being recasted as hate speech.

      We need to guard against that.

    • ;-) He was a New Yorker, from the accent, Brooklynish.

    • Good point, ritzl. The cover page of the doc says "Ira Forman."

    • Oh, oh, oh, I almost forgot what I heard at the bar (Repub) last night. I listened with a pen. This small group of over-50s (seven of them) were talking about Netanyahu coming. The talk was spirited. A couple of them were full FOX-on damn the torpedoes serves Obama right. Three of them were incensed at what Boehner did. They were pretty informed. Discussion of the Logan Act, and who had the right to set foreign policy. One made the point that if Israel was relying on the US to stop Iran, then it should let the US "fuckin try it its way first," "My god, the US has the power to do it, not Israel, so it should just STFU." "Yeah," says another, "Israel can't negotiate with the Palestinians after 65 years, since when do they know from negotiations." Then, one started complaining about Israel, and how "this country is too much into our government," "who does Netanyahu think he is," Netanyahu could have met with congress privately," "he thinks he runs this country." "He hates Blacks," said another. "Nah, he hated Clinton too."

      Then one of the Fox-ons (named Jack) who was having a side conversation with another blurted out, "You know this is getting into anti-semitism territory,” and the bartender told him to pipe down. I didn't hear what provoked it, but the others objected saying we're just having a conversation fercrissake, it's our country, it’s our Congress, we pay for them.

      Then the quiet guy (isn’t there always a quiet guy?) the one nursing his drink watching me write stuff down, said, "So the question has to be asked, what's wrong with anti-semitism if you don't hurt anybody? If you just dislike them, for whatever reason. You can say I don’t like so-and-so, no one labels you. Jack, you hate Muslims, you never met a Muslim in your life, but you hate them. All of them, just because they exist. [Jack tries to defend himself.] So what’s wrong with anti-semitism? It’s a label, it doesn't mean squat now what it meant then. Maybe they'll wake the fuck up, and stop killing women and children, and be glad they’ve got a nice place to call home.”

      That broke the party up. As he was leaving, the quiet guy came by and said, “Did you get all that down?" What's that line from Star Wars about a change in The Force?

    • Thanks, annie. Jeezuss, you are johnny-on-the-ball. ;-)

    • When did the State Dept come up with that edict?

    • If your identity is so wrapped up into one state you should ask yourself: why don’t I live there.


  • Gideon Levy's argument for Netanyahu
    • @Walid,

      Fired him for not being sufficiently solicitous to Zionism. Accused him of being anti-semitic. Tarred him and took his income away.

    • Giles, he isn't? I thought he said he was.

    • Iran's secret weapon: Netanyahu, prime minister of Israel
      The prime minister insists he must speak to Congress to stop a nuclear deal with Iran, but he's actually sabotaging Israel's most precious asset.
      By Barak Ravid | Feb. 8, 2015 | 3:55 AM
      link to

      Read. A taste:

      Shapiro told them of the White House’s fury at the trick Netanyahu cooked up with the Republican Party leadership; of the U.S. administration’s total loss of faith in Israeli Ambassador to Washington Ron Dermer; and of the grave impact this would have on relations between the Obama Administration and a future Netanyahu government. “Ultimately, this will have a price,” a source briefed on the meeting quoted Shapiro as saying.

      And it’s not just the White House. Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein, who visited Capitol Hill last week, was stunned by the depth of the anger he found. He met with Democratic congressmen who are sworn friends of Israel, but now feel betrayed by Israel’s prime minister. “I’ve never encountered such tension, even when I came a few years ago to talk with congressmen about freeing” Jonathan Pollard, Edelstein said.

      This is the comic campaign that is referred to in the article. Starts out with Netanyahu talking to Obama. As the article says, Netanyahu made have already had his last phone call with Obama.
      link to

    • Is that what's next here after getting your career destroyed, losing your income, and finally your reputation and good name?

      (What happened to Helen Thomas after a brilliant 60-year career still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The only high-visibility Jew that I remember coming to her defense was—it was vague at best—was Keith Olbermann while he still had a MSNBC show. Hell, this blog was started because of what Ivanka's hubby did to Phil.)

    • As Jerome Slater wrote, “Levy is not only amazingly courageous, honest, and principled: he’s almost never wrong.”

      He also gets published, which is how you hear his thoughts to begin with. There are a lot of "amazingly courageous, honest, and principled" people on this side of the pond, but the hoi polloi don't hear or read them because pro-Israel media forces make sure they aren't heard or read.

    • Levy must be reading this blog, because several people here have been saying the same thing for weeks.

  • Do we really want Benjamin Netanyahu guiding U.S. foreign policy?
    • @JohnO,

      The government has no problem lobbing words like treason about either. It just sentenced a black CIA whistleblower to jail for 80 years for supposed treason. His crime? They think, they assumed, he passed classified info to NYT journalist James Risen. Proven in court? No. But best be safe, anyway, right? IIRC, the whistleblower was not even allowed to see what it was that he was supposed to have passed along...for national security purposes, of course.

  • Biden will skip Netanyahu's speech
    • @annie,

      OK. here are the remaining numbers:

      Congressman Clyburn: 202-225-3315 [mailbox full, call Monday]
      Congressman Grijalva: 202-225-2435 [mailbox full, call Monday]
      *Congressman Lee: 202-225-2661 [okay to call this weekend]*
      Congressman Meeks: 202-225-3461 [phone doesn't answer]

    • @annie,

      Calls from ordinary people will make a difference. It will be the complaints that will make the difference. They are expecting the jewish rolodex to be in full force. It is very rare for ordinary Americans to bitch. When it happens they get heart attacks, so it doesn't matter if the pro-israeli phone tree is out in full force. it's when ordinary people start bitching that they inhale quickly.

    • @annie, here are the phone numbers for the congressmen who have stated they won't show up.

      Congressman Lewis: 202-225-3801. [Have to wait until Monday until you can leave a message.]

      Congressman McGovern: 202-225-6101: [Can leave a message this weekend. So far.]

      Congressman McDermott: 202-225-3106: [Can leave a message this weekend. So far.]

      Congressman Blumenauer: 202-225-4811: [Have to wait until Monday until you can leave a message.]

      Congressman Butterfield: 202-225-3101: [Have to wait until Monday until you can leave a message.]

    • @annie,

      It's a new meme they re trying to introduce: that Bibi = the US President. I have to remember to call the ZOA and call them a bunch of dual-loyalty terrorists next week. The utter nerve of this guy.

      Here's the ZOA's phone number: 212-481-1500

    • Mort Klein, president of the 30,000-member Zionist Organization of America. “It’s really an anti-American, anti-patriotic position to take.”

      Another dual-loyalist.

    • In other news Commentary notes in a review that Bob Hope wasn’t as broadly influential as other major comedians and comes to the obvious conclusion as to why : “He Wasn’t Jewish.”

      Hope was more influential. Commentary is playing with its short and curls again. Name one Jewish comedian who had his stature at the same time.

    • “We will, of course, be publicly condemning any Democrats who don’t show up for the speech—unless they have a doctor’s note,” said Mort Klein, president of the 30,000-member Zionist Organization of America.

      Really? What if the American people decide to primary everyone who shows up or gives Netanyahu a standing ovation? Thought of that yet?

    • Can you imagine Pelosi and the others during the 1776 war? There wouldn't have been a USA if they'd been around and in control.

  • Why now? Story breaks that US teamed with Israel in assassinating Iranian 'agent' in '08
    • Kudos to you, annie, for doing that. I spent years doing that kind of work, initially not because I wanted to show the writer up, but because I was alarmed that I was missing a lot of news and 'how could I have'? How could I have missed something so seminal, sort of thing. I was shocked. The circular references, the bullshit, the use of friends and self-sourcing. The complete abdication of government officials failing to do due-diligence. Glad you're recording this here for posterity. I've now developed a nose for this BS. ;-) and the sad thing is that they get away with it, and we have to spend hours undoing it.

    • annie,

      repeating so many unconfirmed claims: “Mugniyah was also credited with quarterbacking the bombing of the Marine and French paratrooper barracks at the Beirut airport in 1983″

      Yeah, when he was 21 and Hizbollah didn't exist. Of course, this will probably be listed as fact soon on Wikipedia. OTOH, we have Victor Ostrovsky who wrote the Israelis engineered the bombing of the Marines, if I remember correctly.

    • All it proves is that Jews control media in a big way. (I concur with annie and Phil's pov.) You honestly think this would get printed if an intel leak ran counter to what the US pro-Israeli group wanted with March 3 looming? This is the joined values line.

      This is big-bad-Iran propaganda in advance of His Nibs' speech. It's so transparent. And then the dissemination: 128 articles? C'mon.

  • Lawrence Summers says BDS movement is 'persecuting' Israel
    • I've referenced this article here so many times here, I can't count. From it: "Palestine [called Filistina] was under Egyptian rule UNTIL the middle of the 12th century BCE. The Egyptians' administrative centers were located in Gaza, Yaffo and Beit She'an."

      From Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho:
      By Ze'ev Herzog, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University specializing in social archaeology, ancient architecture and field archaeology. Ze’ev Herzog has been the director of The Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology since 2005, and serves as archaeological advisor to the Israel Nature and National Parks Protection Authority. Appointed as Visiting Scholar at University of Pennsylvania (1978/9), Harvard University (1984/5; 1989/90; 1996/7) and at New York University (2002/3).
      link to

    • @Mooser,

      And, uh, see if somebody can hook up a generator to Mr. Herzl.

      ;-) Or at least a backseat bobblehead tchotchke.

    • Normalization BTW is an Arab term.

      Crock of shit.

      [BTW, you'd have to speak Arabic to know, wouldn't you.]

    • 1) They aren’t Palestinian lands.
      2) That’s where the Jews settled. Israel is how they became a nation and the state of Israel is how they became emancipated. States are how nations exercise their rights.

      Oh, Lord. Read Hostage's archives.

      Barring that, here are ancient maps :

      "Reference Map of Palestine showing Political Divisions at time of Christ"
      link to [link]
      • The Century Atlas of the World Prepared under the Superintendence of Benjamin E. Smith, A.M.,
      Managing Editor of the Century Dictionary, Editor of the Century Cyclopedia of Names,
      Fellow of the American Geographic Society, Etc.
      Published by The Century Co., New York, 1900.

      "Map of Boundaries of Districts in Roman Times"
      link to [link]

      "Map of The Assyrian Empire and the Region about the Eastern Mediterranean, 750-625 B.C. – PALESTINE"
      link to [link]

      "Map of Ancient Palestine 1851." Drawn and Engraved by Rupkin, Published by Tallis & Co. London.
      link to
      Published-by-Tallis-and-Co.-London. [link]

      "1862 Johnson Map of Palestine"
      link to [link]

      "Detail Map Of Palestine Before al-Nakba signed by Moshe Dyan"
      link to [link]

      "Map of First Jewish Colony in Palestine 1878"
      link to [link]

      "Map of Palestine 1917"
      link to [link]

      "UK National Archives: proposed post-war distribution of territory (1918)"
      link to
      gt6506.jpg [link]

      "PDF of the UK National Archives images in their Maps in Time collection"
      link to [link]

    • To pick western Europe as an example Christiandom needed to emerge as a common national identity to handle the military threats coming from the Vikings, Muslims and tribes to the east.

      Handle the military threats coming from "Muslims and tribes to the east?"

      The Christians were the threat. As Sir Steven Runciman, a leading historian of the Crusades wrote, "There was never a greater crime against humanity than the Fourth Crusade". Which was the Frankish Christians against the Muslims and Eastern Christians. Their barbarity was beyond belief.

      Furthermore, they sacked Granada in Spain, and Cordoba, and wiped out the incredible Islamic advancements, and renamed or claimed them as their own. When they were the dummies of Europe. It was the Moors in Spain who brought culture and science to The Dark Ages.

      When the crusaders captured Jerusalem on the 14 th July 1099, they massacred the inhabitants, Jews and Muslims alike, men, women and children. The killing continued all night and into the next day. Jews who took refuge in their synagogue were burned alive. Muslims sought refuge in the al-Aqsa mosque under the protection of a Christian banner. In the morning crusaders forced an entry and massacred them all, 70,000 according to an Arab historian, including a large number of scholars. The Temple of Solomon was so full of blood that it came up to the horses" bridles. The chronicler Raymond of Aguiliers described it as a just and wonderful judgement of God. Even before the killing was over the crusaders went to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre "rejoicing and weeping for joy" to thank God for his assistance. Muslim prisoners were decapitated, shot with arrows, forced to jump from high towers, or burned. Some were tortured first. Neither was this an isolated incident. It was wholly typical. When the crusaders took Caesarea in 1101, many citizens fled to the Great Mosque and begged the Christians for mercy. At the end of the butchery the floor was a lake of blood. In the whole city only a few girls and infants survived. Soon afterwards, there was a similar massacre at Beirut. Such barbarity shocked the Eastern world and left an impression of the Christian West that has still not been forgotten in the third millennium.

    • Israeli policy in Gaza is about as humane as is possible when bombing a civilian population that is so dense and young.


    • From "Is Anti-Zionism Anti-Semitic? Jewish Critics Speak" by Edward C. Corrigan, Winter 2009, Volume XVI, Number 4, (even quotes Phil)

      In March 1919, U.S. Congressman Julius Kahn presented an anti‑Zionist petition to President Woodrow Wilson as he was departing for the Paris peace conference. The petition was signed by 31 prominent American Jews, including Henry Morgenthau, Sr., former ambassador to Turkey; Simon W. Rosendale, fomer attorney general of New York; Mayor L. H. Kampner of Galveston, Texas; E. M. Baker of Cleveland, president of the Stock Exchange; R. H. Macy’s Jesse I. Straus; New York Times publisher Adolph S. Ochs; and Judge M. C. Sloss of San Francisco.26 Part of the petition read:

      [We] protest against the political segregation of the Jews and the re‑establishment in Palestine of a distinctively Jewish State as utterly opposed to the principles of democracy which it is the avowed purpose of the World’s Peace Conference to establish. Whether the Jews be regarded as a “race” or as a “religion,” it is contrary to the democratic principles for which the world war was waged to found a nation on either or both of these bases.27

      26 Alfred M. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection II: What Price Peace? (North American, 1982), pp. 768‑769.

      27 “Jewish Anti‑Zionist Petition Presented to President Wilson in 1919,” American Jewish Alternatives to Zionism Report, No. 52, p. 138. The text of the statement is reproduced here at pp. 135‑139.

      Also, printed in the NYT, March 1919.

    • Well, I’ give MJ one thing, looks like he’s turning out to be a Mensch, a Louise Mensch

      My thumbs-up emoticon didn't publish. Good one, Moose. Reminds me of that American student on a Birthright trip in Blumenthal's vid: Who's Yahoo.

    • If you’re talking about the Nazi-Zionists in Palestine […..], this is not real political discourse. It’s anti-Semitism trying to use semantics to avoid being called by its name.

      Anti-semitism? No, it's not. And Lenni Brenner would beg to differ with you.

      not real political discourse

      It's political brickbats. So what?

    • JeffB

      No serious historian denies that the territory of Palestine was run by Jews at least 600 BCE to 73 CE.

      Then why was everyone speaking Greek?

  • Israel gets trashed at the 92d Street Y
  • Netanyahu is a paper tiger
    • The best quote from that article was:

      [...] a senior Joint Chiefs of Staff officer who regularly briefs the U.S. high command was willing to speak bluntly in exchange for anonymity. “There’s always been a lot of support for Israel in the military,” the officer said, “but that’s significantly eroded over the last few years. This caps it. It’s one thing for Americans to criticize their president and another entirely for a foreign leader to do it. Netanyahu doesn’t get it. We’re not going to side with him against the commander in chief. Not ever.”

      My emphasis.

      Edit: Forget to add that this was written by Mark Perry, who also broke the Petraeus-in-front-of-the-Senate story in what? 2010? 2011? where Petraeus said that Israel was harming US national interests. So Mark Perry, imo, was tapped to pass along a message.

  • Zero (0) Palestinians quoted in 'NYT' piece on rift between US and Israel
    • Good comment of yours in Phil's article, Donald.

    • Mooser, sorry about the Seahawks.

    • Phil, really liked this piece.

    • Uhhhhh.

      It makes scant reference to all the substantive causes of a fallout between the countries, for instance the latest announcement of Israeli colonies in the occupied West Bank.

      It makes scant reference to how the majority of America is perceiving this. Israel, in its myopic stupidity, thinks this is an Israeli/Presidential./Congressional issue, as if the people out here are, as Shep Smith said, a bunch of morons. As if the only people Israel should be concerned with are those in power in DC.

      Just read the comment thread, this is Pixel's:

      “You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.”

      – John Viscount Morley, On Compromise, 1874

      No shit, Sherlock. In fact, when you silence him, you harden his views. The Netanyahu/Boehner public spectacle is the door for many in my part of the land to express their views. Government of Israel lurkers here on MW would be surprised how they really think. Really surprised.

      HuffPo is reporting that [link that you can't tell is a link] "Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer Pokes Fun At Critics Of Netanyahu Invitation." This man is an Ambassador to the US apparently. He mocks us? He fucking mocks us?

  • The betting line on Netanyahu's speech to Congress
  • Netanyahu speech could allow Obama to 'take on the Jewish lobby' as he took on Cuba lobby -- Indyk
    • And Boehner concluded that this was bad form.

      You mean Wallace, right?

    • Phil, okay, found this:

      Chris Wallace says in this clip that he was at the White House on Wednesday morning when Boehner announced that Netanyahu had been invited and "had accepted this." Wallace said a top White House official told him they found out when Boehner announced it to the press. Starts at :35 sec.

      The invitation and the acceptance were announced at the same time.

    • I don't think so, Phil, otherwise Kerry would have known. Raimondo reports this exchange:

      The shock waves are extending in all directions in response to this act of political sabotage, reaching even the far-right shores of Fox News, where anchors Chris Wallace and Shepherd Smith engaged in a most unusual dialogue, pillorying the usually sacrosanct Israelis. In response to a reading of the above Indyk quote, Wallace averred:

      "And to make you get a sense of really how, forgive me, wicked, this whole thing is, the Secretary of State John Kerry met with the Israeli Ambassador to the United States for two hours on Tuesday, Ron Dermer, the [Israeli] ambassador, never mentioned the fact that Netanyahu was in negotiations and finally agreed to come to Washington, not to see the president, but to go to Capitol Hill, speak to a joint session of congress and criticize the president’s policy. I have to say I’m shocked."

      Digging the dagger in a little deeper, Smith commented that “it seems like [the Israelis] think we don’t pay attention and that we’re just a bunch of complete morons, the United States citizens, as if we wouldn’t pick up on what’s happening here."

      link to

      When it was publicly announced, it was a fait accompli as I recall. He had accepted.

    • Get a load of this: a correction at the bottom of the NYT's story on Netanyahu calling Harry Reid:

      Correction: January 30, 2015

      An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.

      Julie Hirschfeld Davis contributed reporting from Washington, and Jodi Rudoren from Jerusalem.

      I say bullshit. What's this statement for? The record? So people in the future can rewrite what happened?

  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • So are Alan Hart's three-part series on Zionism. He was there covering the '67 war. His three-volume books are full of remarkable details. He was covering the event for a British network and is not relying on memory. He has the footage.

    • This and the Iraq coverage (especially NYT's) are why newspapers aren't trusted anymore, and why newspapers have declined. It's certainly NOT the internet, which is simply a delivery system.

      The laughable point is that owners/editors think people didn't or couldn't catch on. The idea that people--citizens--would avoid a genuine truth-telling organ on paper because they couldn't get it on their device is one of the great arrogances and self-deceptions of the 21st c. so far.

      News editors and owners have created their own demise.

  • Netanyahu speech scandal blows up, and 'soiled' Dermer looks like the fall guy
    • The timing of Adam Curtis' latest film BITTER LAKE couldn't be better with this tempest brewing. Too bad Americans can't see it without using a VPN (Virtual Private Network) product. There are free ones you can download to spoof that you live in England. If you get that far, google BBC iPlayer to access it.

    • It will almost certainly blow over with time.

      Everything blows over with time. What's your point?

    • They need to lay off the Viagra in Tel Aviv.

    • Dermer, from the NYT

      “My understanding was that it was the speaker’s prerogative to do, and that he would be the one to inform the administration,” Mr. Dermer said.

      A Legislative speaker's prerogative to run a separate foreign policy than the Executive? Did this jerk study Civics in Florida? Does he not know about the separation of powers and what they are for?

      I love the former Israeli Ambassador calling Dermer a political operative, not an ambassador. Dermer needs to be removed, recalled.

    • They're mutually exclusive, Pretext. Your rep needs to hear that all is not as Israel thinks exists here. That the US is not 100% behind Israel. I would love Netanyahu to come and talk to a 1/2 or 1/4 full Congress.

      WHAT a photo-op for Israel.

      To see Congress,and not the country, fractured is a picture worth a thousand words. Those reps and senators know they risk their own re-election if they stand for ovations.

  • Finkelstein on Joan Peters's legacy (and Dershowitz's legal troubles)
  • State Dep't says Netanyahu speech is not inappropriate, disrespectful, humiliating or embarrassing
    • I think we should call the Israeli Embassy in DC. They're so sure America is behind them.

      Here's their main number: (202) 364-5500
      Here are their departments. Pick your poison: link to

    • Yes, annie, I was mixing him up with someone else. But he did live in NYC for over a decade, so he's hip to American ways. Maybe too hip.

    • This is the kind of bullshit you get when you get rid of the professional Foreign Service Arabists in the State Dept., which the neocons engineered while Reagan was recuperating for two years. That's why we're so Israel/Jew-centric in our foreign policy. We have supposed separation of church and state domestically but not in our foreign policy, and it's getting worse. Our congressmen don't even have time to pay attention to, and deal with, the growing middle-class and student poverty in this country because of this insanity, and because the majority of Jews in Israel don't know how to make peace.

      Adam Curtis' latest film is up on BBC's iPlayer. It's called Bitter Lake. 2:16:00 It will be available until around Feb 25. He had 26 terabytes of BBC footage in Afghanistan to play with, as well as the rest of BBC's morgue. People should watch it.

      Where is Chas Freeman when you need him?

    • Bennett is from Brooklyn.

    • @JeffB,

      But if I’m wrong then so what. Israelis mostly want war with Iran. American Jews want peace with Iran even on less than ideal terms. Jews are allowed to disagree, that doesn’t mean they are getting a divorce.

      So what, you ask? The majority of Americans don't want war. Two percent of the population doesn't get to determine foreign policy.

      It is also within character for them to use Israel as a wedge issue to fundraise, which they did in 2012.

      Then the pro-Israelis should desist, shouldn't they, if they are so superior and ethical. But they don't, do they? So don't put this on the Boehners of the world.

    • And you ignore this in Goldberg’s piece:

      “There is hypocrisy . . . . against the arguments of the Republicans.”

      That's the preamble for this:

      But the manner and execution and overall tone-deafness of Netanyahu’s recent ploy suggest that he—and his current ambassador—don’t understand how to manage Israel’s relationships in Washington. Netanyahu wants a role in shaping the Iranian nuclear agreement, should one materialize. His recent actions suggest that he doesn’t quite know what he’s doing.

    • fyi, tho everyone says it was the “brainchild of Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer”

      Yeah, as if it's a 'Let Mikie do it" commercial. Netanyahu, led around by the nose by Dermer? "Ronnie made me do it."

  • Menendez bags on Iran sanctions, and congressman says AIPAC demands deference to Israel over US
    • Jonathan Tobin, if you're reading this:

      Neither Yarmuth’s faith nor his relationship with J Street can justify these remarks. They are an echo of the worst sort of anti-Semitic stereotypes put about by Israel haters.

      We're Americans here. We are absolutely entitled to hate what Israel is doing, just as we will criticize other nations. Take your tripe and shove it,

    • Call his DC office and say thanks: 202-225-5401

  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • If there’s going to be bombs and timing involved . . . .

      they should do it while Netanyahu is addressing Congress. Just like Israel hit Gaza, breaking the four-month cease-fire, the night Obama was elected.

      (And hit the airport first, so Netanyahu can't get home.)

    • Taxi, looks like you were right.

  • Jim Crow's polite sons
    • Read this from Mondoweiss in 2010:
      The Lost Lesson of the Civil Rights Movement

      Why has everyone forgotten the prodigious contribution of Ella Baker? Because she was a woman. She is the civil rights titan.

      Charles Payne wrote, I've Got the Light of Freedom in 1997 (?). His book contains transcriptions of taped recordings from the Civil Rights Era participants. It's the testament for me.

  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • @ivri

      Netanyahu is not Head of State. The US President is.

      This is not "internal political fights." It is not "usual political theater in the US." It is interference in our foreign affairs that affects the national security of the USA; namely, me.

      The Executive, per the Supreme Court (1937), has the 'sole organ' doctrine in foreign policy. It is not for the Legislative branch of the US government to run a competing foreign policy up the flag pole and get a second-in-command from a foreign country--an extremist who thought nothing of massacring 2,000 civilians last summer because he could--to tell the American President or its people why it should inch toward WWIII.

      Maybe you Spartans in Israel get your jollies from war and carrying big-ass guns, but if you want to take on Iran, do it on your dime and with your own people. Not ours.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • The Supreme Court signed into law "the 'sole organ' doctrine" in 1937. The President (the Executive/State Dept) is the sole organ for foreign policy. You cannot have competing foreign policies coming out of the Legislative and Executive branches.

      Furthermore, the President of the US is Head of State. Canada's Head of State is the Queen. Israel's Head of State is Rivlin, not Netanyahu. Obama and Kerry are absolutely correct in their stance not to meet with a Prime Minister if they don't want to.

      The dual-loyalty Emergency Committee for Israel needs to study American civics before they pontificate, and defecate all over the US Constitution.

    • At the very least, sedition.

    • And Gawker found the flight plans. Turns out the Dersh has been flying on Epstein's plane since 1997, and he was not accompanied by this wife and daughter as he opined. It was a bevy of girls with no last names.

    • If Netanyahu torpedoes the negotiations, American Jews and Israel will be blamed. Period. No contest. The spectacle of appearing before Congress will stand as evidence. And judging from the reaction last night at the bar, even the wonkiest pro-Repub/Israel supporters don't like the disrespectful slap at the Office of the President.

      Read Colonel Pat Lang's take: Boehner should read the constitution and the law.

      I think Boehner is a traitor.

  • Diaspora Jews are not in 'exile,' they are at home
  • The ‘hasbara’ tweeps who brought down Jim Clancy, and their ties to Israel and the Israel lobby
    • This article needs to go viral. Good job, Allison.

    • So what? it's a 140-character world.

    • Cripple is NOT a derogatory term. Look it up. And who are these cruise directors determining which speech is "appropriate." I have the Merriam Dictionary to keep me warm. Bitch there.

      Just because some guy who works with disabled people claims so, doesn't make it so. People can be crippled by any number of events; so can animals, the economy, and a business.

  • Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks
    • I know no one has the time to watch it, but Gordon Duff at Veteran's Today highlighted a 1992 BBC three-part series on GLADIO and what they call the stay-behinds. It's here on link to Absolutely fascinating. But the screen quality is poor, and its 2 1/2 hours long. The value of watching it is the thoroughness, quite remarkable.

      The stay-behinds are neo-nazis and extreme right-wing soldiers initially left over from WWII and now left over from the Cold War run by the secret services of the US and the European countries as agents-in-place. The deal is to control--now, after the demise of the USSR--local politics and spread fear in the population via terrorism in order to introduce the political direction they want. Whereas before they used the stay-behinds to fight the USSR (the fear of communism taking over). Now they are killing fellow civilians.

      Indybay has a 2009 documentary called "NATO's Secret Armies (2009)"— 47 minutes.
      In 1990, alarming evidence of NATO-sponsored terrorist attacks came to light. This is the shocking story of Operation Gladio; a tale of espionage, conspiracy and political violence. This film shows how the Right subverts democracy by using fear to push a population in a certain direction.
      link to
      A US Ambassador and another official, both retired, say at the end says that Gladio is entrenched and operates today. Worth the 47 minutes.

  • French terror attacks contribute to Israeli's isolation

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