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Iran and Turkey are the two most interesting countries in the world today for the reason you identify: independence.
I have always wondered if the West would allow a Middle Eastern, an African, or even a South American nation (like Brazil) to truly develop "without supervision." We will have our answer soon.
Notice that America has been pressuring South Korea since they showed the gall to contract to build nuclear reactors in the Emirates...without American involvement.
If you truly are a settler, then you can return to Europe, I guess. But which Anglo tribe are you going to evict? The Danes, the Saxons, the Angles, or the Picts and Scotii? England has been invaded so many times, I doubt any "real English" from King Arthur Days even remain.
The problem with your "we all settlers" point is it becomes ridiculous when taken to extremes. America dealt with its prior crimes against Native Americans by making them citizens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Native Americans, if they choose, can fully participate in American life.
So much for your comparison.
What do you think would happen to Israel if it ever used a nuclear device on Europe?
Van Creveld is just regurgitating the "rabid dog" meme to cozy his way back into the Israeli elites. He used to write good stuff, but notice how he's disappeared from the blogs after the "we could hit Rome" comment.
Apparently, we white people don't appreciate anyone implying that nuclear devices might be used on us.
Intermarriage is helping with that.
You don't really need to steal a Western inclusive democracy anymore. You can just declare it. But then you need to have a State of All Your Citizens. And that sucks if you are an Ethnic Supremacist.
The stealing is required in this case because G od "gave" the land to the mythological patriarchs before he asked the Palestinians to move.
I love ribbing fundies with this paradox: If God is love, then why didn't he arrive with Uhauls and a map to the Palestinians own land of Milk and Honey? I mean if having Jews in the Holy Land is necessary for God's Divine Plan, then is offering a relocation bonus to the natives too much to ask?
Yes. It's nice to see "better use" arguments employed to justify ethnic cleansing, isn't it?
No, Israel invented water. The Phoenicians (Lebanese) invented oxygen. I now a have the strange desire to build the world's largest sandwich.
Is the Ukrainian in charge of rooftop monitoring? You don't want a real birth spoiling a summer of Birthright.
I'm still trying to imagine what pick up line "Dudu" the rooftop Lothario used on that girl?
Actually, he went out for coffee and never came back. She was still naked on the roof.
He did humiliate her.
That is real reason she pressed charges.
Even more amusing is the comparison of this case to the case of an Israeli housing official demanding sexual services in exchange for a lease. I think we can all agree that falling for a lounge lizard's cheezy pick up line is vastly different than a government official using his official capacity to coerce sex.
BTW, both participants certainly shine in this incident, don they? They waited only 15 minutes after they met to have sex on a roof?
I thought only rock stars could do that.
"Dudu" (the man's alias) must have an amazing pick up line.....
Except in the Hawaiian Islands.
Down the memory hole.....actually still fact checking Joan Peters.
I always say, the more Palestinian land Israel covets, the more evil the Palestinians become. Zionists truly, madly, deeply believe that they will turn the Palestinians into the Navajo.
But this "Jewishness in Israel" concern is really an oxymoron for a self-described "Western democracy." All Western democracies are redefining themselves, however haltingly, in line with their demographics. That's the admission ticket for a democracy.
What Israel wants is "equality" and "Jewish primacy." They cannot have former if they have the latter.
My favorite Obama angle is this: He's telling people that just because he's sucking up to Israel before the Mid-terms that doesn't mean he won't get tough on them next year.
Right.
When he had 59 senators and huge majority in the House, he caved. But when he loses his majority in the House--and possibly in the Senate--he will become the next Eisenhower?
Laugh or cry. It's your choice.
On the bus?
You know, Mooser, whenever I think of Hitler I always think of Hezbollah. Don't you? The connection is obvious: Nazi Germany was an expansionist country with a long history of militarism. Nazi Germany had one of the world's biggest armies.
Hezbollah is a minority party in a tiny country with a military so weak it can't even protect its own borders.
Isn't Horowitz's "logic" impeccable?
Similarly, my 7-year-old shoots hoops, so clearly he's Lebron James.
You still have hope in Obama?
I have some seaside real estate in Arizona to sell to you.
You forgot: Use Bronze Age text to justify evicting the natives.
Whenever the fundies tell me that the Bible is the "inerrant" word of God, I always ask, "So it should be lawful to stone adulterers and kill our own disobedient children?"
Strangely, I never get an answer.
So how do we American get to vote for Clegg?
Or the fact that he mght actually be a human being. Facts can persuade people, regardless of he audience.
I think it's time for Cameron to take one of those AIPAC-funded "educational trips."
This bleating about Israel is just "cover" for an attack on yet another Muslim Nation. Recall, how the road to peace in Jerusalem supposedly went through Baghdad. Now it runs through Tehran.
Tomorrow it will run though Damascus. Then Riyadh......
"Other Americans will read the reports from Fallujah and, as Jefferson said, tremble for their country when they reflect that God is just."
That's why most Americans won't read them. And that's why we have the Fox News's filter to protect us from such inconvenient truths.
Actually, Barak's best quote is this: "we will see it as a legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the Lebanese state, not just to the Hezbollah."
Wanna bet he will be singing a different tune if Hezbollah sees it as legitimate to hit any target that belongs to the State of Israel?
This is a very important point: How free are we if our message is unpopular? To my mind, not very.
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, like most penman, he underestimates the power of the sword.
Lots. And I live in a nice neighborhood.
Your comment says a lot more about your life experience than it does about contemporary America.
I think people in Beirut and the Emirates would disagree.
And slavery was an early artifact of American life...yada, yada, yada.
Is there no current practice in Israel that Israelis don't blame on England or the Turks? We can sell Arabs land because of the Ottoman laws. We can hold you in admistrative detention because the British taught us that during the Mandate.
If America had settled Israel, I think Israel would justify Jim Crow.....oh, right, they do.
You know, Mooser, as a gentile, it's very amusing watching all this Jewish naval gazing. William Manchester ridiculed a similar trait manifest in Victorian England. Apparently, a severe fog had stopped passenger boats from traveling to England and a London newspaper ran this headline: "Severe fog, Continent cut off."
I wonder if that editor's grandchild now edits Carolyn Glick's columns?
This is going to make a great episode on "Curb Your Enthusiam."
I think Oren is Funkhouser.
Chomsky's argument is convincing if you mention that the US also calls Saudi Arabia "moderate."
But the difference is that Israel actually humiliates American politicians, which cannot be explained away as "service to the Empire."
Maybe the influence of "the Lobby" doesn't fit with his Marxist paradigm? I love Chomsky, but is refusal to believe that support for Israel is anything but a vessel for American imperialism is a very weak argument.