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  • Israeli paper investigates 50-year-ago attack on 'USS Liberty,' while US papers leave it in the letters column
    • Most commenters here will need to read my comment of a few days ago around 15 times (with at least several hours between readings) in order to experience the exhilaration of connecting the most likely narrative with the most reliably sourced facts.

      But some of the commenters here are afflicted with quite high intelligence; for them, the deprogramming process will require at least 25 readings.

    • The lesson of the USS Liberty is one that should be studied carefully by other states: if you find yourself in a hot war, and you are allied with a global superpower, and that superpower is providing you diplomatic cover and supplying you with needed weaponry, then: identify a major nearby asset of theirs, and bomb the fuck out of it.

      And make sure not to kill only "grunts"; also kill highly trained telecom and field intel people.

      And make sure to not finish the job, but leave badly wounded survivors and witnesses -- the more bitterness and hostility the better. You can rely on the survivors and the families of the dead -- an unusually smart and tough-minded demographic with deep connections to the superpower's military class -- to shrug off a whitewash.

      If you can pull this off, then you get a half-century (and counting) of diplomatic and military support.

      Probably this very moment, Syria is following a plan of similar deviousness and cunning, and bombing the fuck out of Russian-supplied, Russian-manned command and control infrastructure.

  • The dark secret of Israel’s stolen babies
    • And the number of Yemeni Jews who attempted to return to Yemen?

      The answer to this question should tell us something about the big picture.

      Radical leftists are in the business of deception and distortion.

  • Former AIPAC official says Israel should get no US aid without ending 'oppressive' settlements
    • Phillip Weiss misconstrues Greg Slabodkin's piece as "another sign" of something that is "breaking". Here is Mr. Slabodkin articulating a similar left-liberal anti-AIPAC line nearly seven years ago, and in the same publication.

  • Ozick says Obama needs 6-volume history of Jews on his bedside table
    • ... this prejudiced statement: “By replacing history with fantasy, the Palestinians..."

      The "pre" is an appendage, selected to advance the radical leftist agenda. Ozick's views are judiced -- they are judgements based on ten thousand pieces of evidence.

      ... and ignore their anti-Palestinian racism.

      Anti-Palestinian racism exists in Jewish Israel, but it's a racism whose reach and intensity are far below what is common throughout the ME&NA which is rife with centuries old sectarian and ethnic hatreds.

      It's anti-Arab survivalism and self-preservationism that burns bright throughout Jewish Israeli society.

      Radical leftists lie. They lie for power they don't deserve, and power they abuse horrendously whenever they hold it.

  • Evening march to Cuomo's suburban house is latest action against his blacklist on boycott
    • Boycotters discover that they have aroused others to boycott them.

      This discovery is unsettling, so constitutional protection from counter-boycott is demanded.

      Is there any town in the world that would choose to be governed by radical leftists?

  • Video: All hell breaks loose in Knesset as Zoabi demands apology following Israel-Turkey agreement
    • Governments throughout the middle east will also have public arenas where elected representatives of aggrieved minorities will deliver in fiery tones their complaints and accusations before loud and angry elected representatives of the overbearing majority.

      But it may take a hundred years.

  • Clinton marshals African-American surrogates against BDS to stop pro-Palestinian influence 'in the public narrative'
    • ... and Cornel West said the party was “beholden to AIPAC ...”

      If Cornel West believes AIPAC wants Iran to receive many tens of billions of dollars, and the further weaponization of Iran's proxies on Israel's doorstep, he's not smart enough to listen to.

      Either that, or he's not honest enough to listen to.

  • Harvard scholar calls for US-Israel treaty to 'lock in' special relationship before young Democrats end the romance
    • the jim crow analogy would work better if the territory where jim crow was enforced constituted around 2% of a massive region whose peoples had precious little experience with, or knack for developing, institutions for checking elite power, and who were frequently themselves embroiled in inter-clan struggle and often outright warfare, and who did not even have a clear cultural preference to not practice slavery

      the jim crow analogy works if, additionally, in that surrounding 98% by area, 95% by population, the enduring political styles were so overwhelmingly despotic, whether outwardly monarchical, theocratic or secular-dictatorial that the relatively free white people of the enclave would have surely preferred a fight to the death to being subsumed by any of the surrounding powers

      the jim crow analogy suffers insofar as jim-crowness itself was an institution the governing power was committed to maintain in perpetuity, rather than a least-bad transitional arrangement; the jim crow analogy works better if jim-crowness itself had been a preferred means of maintaining an angry, non-productive, religiously incited and thus weaponized populace on the part of the leadership of the struggle against jim crow, for that leadership's own despotic ends

      if the context of jim crow had been remotely as described above -- remotely, it's worth repeating -- the purveyors of jim crow, the american european whites, presuming an inkling to survive, would have had little choice but to unleash great destructive force on the populations of the savagely aggressive surrounding region

      and in so doing they would have had to deafen themselves to the whines and bleats of a tiny contingent of self-described progressives whose hatreds were imagined as nearness to a just god

  • Hillary Clinton supported Iraq war because of Israel, say Matthews and Landler
    • Did you see where he says that Israel could be “wiped out.” By Palestinians firing rockets?

      I did not see it. Neither, actually, did you. It's something you decided to concoct.

    • ... to smear Walt and Mearsheimer as anti-Semites.

      From 59:55, Christopher Hitchens on: AIPAC, Rabin's declaring the aspiration to Israeli independence from AIPAC, the undeserved self-congratulatory flavor (and nudge-wink undertones) of Walt and Mearsheimer, and most of all, the delusion that the conflict with jihadism is a consequence of Israel-Palestine.

  • 'Either Assad or we'll burn the country' - An excerpt from 'Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War' (Update)
    • By "easily stand by in the face of plausible evidence of foreign incursion" -- not the best choice of words -- I meant that the society would so easily disintegrate under external threat.

      It did disintegrate, not mainly because of foreign meddling, but because of the deep hatred of the people for life under the regime.

      There was a huge incentive -- huge -- for the regime to inculcate its people, and most certainly its elite, with a sense of the danger of the "imperialist Zionist" foreigner and their "Wahabist & Salafist lackeys". Russian and Iranian intel would have been available to shore up such notions, if indeed evidence for such existed.

      In the first weeks and months of the carnage, there were many high level defections from the regime.

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    • How, how, how am I expected to believe that a dictatorial regime, a regime with complete control over education and media, could fail so miserably to communicate to, to propagandize, its masses of the danger of foreigner incursions and the need to prevent the shattering of their society, mass death and dislocation?

      The peoples of China, Russia and dozens of other states, while often holding serious grudges against their regimes, would not so easily stand by in the face of plausible evidence of foreign incursion.

      Parsimony tells me that the hatred felt by the people of Syria for their regime was profound.

      Even if true that U.S. & Israel would want to gain advantage by a Syrian collapse, the idea that Syrians would so easily allow their homeland to be smashed without popular resistance, is only something that a radical leftist would hold to; they need to believe junk to shore up their fantasy that the problems of the Arab world are in the main caused by western imperialism.

  • After wins abroad, BDS conference in West Bank sees local traction
    • .. a population without disposable income beyond the very basics of life ..
      .. as absurd, to refer to a similar situation, as asking the barely surviving people under German occupation ..

      Palestine is not even in the bottom 50 economies in both of the World Bank measures of Gross national income per capita (2014); it ranks 149 by the "Atlas method" & 158 by "PPP", both, out of 213 economies.

      By both measures, it surpasses Nicaragua, Honduras, Bangladesh, Kyrgyz Republic, Tajikistan, Cambodia, Yemen, Afghanistan.

      By the first measure it surpasses Pakistan, falling by the second measure just short of that nuclear power.

      By the first measure only, it surpasses Egypt (not occupied, no war for 40+ years), Bolivia, Vietnam, India.

      PDF Gross national income per capita 2014, Atlas method and PPP

  • President Donald Trump faces his greatest nemesis -- Mexican Muslims
  • 'We don’t want to find ourselves in a position like apartheid South Africa': A report from Israel's first national conference against BDS
    • Antony Loewenstein:

      The current mood in Jewish Israel is nationalistic, belligerent, fearful and contemptuous of Palestinians, pro-military and intolerant of dissent. International media is being blamed for Israel’s poor global standing.

      --

      Reflections of a Lebanese woman in Israel | Carol Jahshan

      As a Lebanese woman who grew up in Beirut and made the move to the United States at age 22, I think it is fair to say it was an unusual choice to spend a 3-month sabbatical in Israel at the end of 2015. Add that my father was born in Haifa in 1948 and left with his family for Lebanon at that time [..]

      [..] at the end of a 3-month working collaboration at Bar Ilan University, there was no doubt that this visit had been a very positive and eye opening experience for me on many levels. It is an experience that I wish were much more common amongst my fellow Lebanese because of the humanizing and understanding it added to my perspective on Israeli society and especially regarding Israelis themselves, who I grew up knowing only through the lens of news reports and conversations that were invariably unfavorable.

      [..] as a proud Arab woman, nothing I have ever done was as profoundly countercultural as applying for an educational leave to work with an Israeli colleague for a semester at Bar Ilan University in Ramat Gan. I wrestled with telling my family that I had made this decision. When I did, I was met with resistance at first, then reluctant encouragement, and many questions.

      “Why, of all places, would you want to visit Israel?” I was asked more than once.

      “You won’t be allowed into the country, or if you are it will be a very difficult, humiliating experience.”

      I was told that if people knew I visited Israel, I might never be allowed back into Lebanon.

      “Be careful.”

      “Don’t share photos of your trip on social media.”

      “Don’t talk about politics with anyone!” (In Israel? Now that I have been there, I think that is a funny one!)

      I was told not to let my own friends and extended family know I was going.

      I [..] wondered whether it would be wise to let people in Israel know that I am Lebanese. After all, this was a country that had invaded Lebanon on more than one occasion, a fact that had made a big impression on me and my generation growing up.

      [..] I landed at Ben Gurion airport and was permitted entry following a brief and I must say, pleasant, interview consisting of a few short questions and ending with a wish for a good stay. The ease of this process was the first surprise of my trip.

      For most of my first week or two, I kept to myself. Largely, this was due to anxiety on my part. Anxiety that told me “if I interacted with people, they would realize I was Lebanese and I might be discriminated against or possibly worse.” [..] It turned out that I had no need to be anxious. I let people know that I was from Lebanon and was met with smiles. I let people know that my father was born in Haifa in 1948 and that same year his family took him to Lebanon where he lived most of his life. More smiles and friendly curiosity. I was welcomed “home”. I was invited into a variety of people’s homes for Shabbat dinners. This was not the reception I had expected at all. [..]

      One of the most moving interactions came from an Israeli man who had served in the Army in Lebanon. Without talking about politics, without talking about right or wrong, he apologized to me personally for the damage that the incursions caused to the Lebanese people. Another Israeli man expressed his concern and empathy for the Arabs of ‘48 (of which my father was one of the youngest) and I understood that here was a man who very simply wanted good relations and who did not have ill will towards Arab people, or to me, in any detectable way.

      I wanted to cry when I heard these men. The idea that such thoughts existed in Israel, especially by former soldiers, was something that never, ever would have occurred to me. The human element of the interactions I had in Israel as an Arab woman had broken through the rhetoric I have heard for years [..]

      A few weeks into my stay, I contacted a relative of my father [..] I never could have guessed I had so much family in Israel, people who remembered my father and his parents, people who my brother and sister and I had no idea even existed. It is hard to describe what such a discovery is like. I met people from Nablus, from Nazareth, and from Haifa who shared stories with me of my father when he was a young man and had come to visit just before the 1967 war. During this reunion, I was overwhelmed in turns by warmth and sadness [..]

      [..] As we drove through Northern Israel, I realized how many Arabs live here, and that it would be possible for me to get along just fine in Israel speaking only Arabic. This was another surprise. In all of the conversations I had ever had or heard relating to the political situation surrounding Israel, the existence of Israeli Arabs was simply never acknowledged. All of a sudden, when listening to a Hezbollah threat to bomb Haifa, I realized that threats like these are ultimately threats to my own family members and many other Arab people. Now, knowing many Israeli Jews and Arabs personally, and understanding the fabric of Israeli society better, these threats sound indefensible from any perspective whatsoever and, despite the rhetoric, would be just as deadly to the Arabs as to the Jews living in Israel. Another insight I did not have before spending time in Israel.

      I came to Israel with no political agenda, but given my background, I had a powerful desire to visit the West Bank and see it for myself. I talked to residents of Ramallah and heard about the challenges they encounter in their daily lives. I visited the Aida refugee camp in Bethlehem and understood the serious effects that the circuitous separation wall has on economic infrastructure and the ability of Palestinians to engage in work, access water conveniently, and seek the closest healthcare and educational services. I also saw the interplay of religious differences within the Territories, where the Christian minority has the added difficulty of living within increasingly conservative Muslim communities in which religion and politics freely mix.

      My sense of the injustice that Arabs living within the Territories face was never more acute than when I visited my family in Nablus and stayed in the same home where my father had stayed nearly 50 years earlier. This old house, which was once a place of happiness and gathering for my father’s family had now become a neglected, worn structure in a depressed community where the weight of oppression hangs in the air.

      While I was there, my cousin pulled out a box of old black and white photos. This brought back to life lost days of a seemingly completely different world. I saw my young father and many relatives in their youth, all smiling and being together in celebration. [..]

      [..]I found an apartment in the Shuk Ha-Carmel area. I was immediately struck that in the market there were Druze villagers and Arab women happily doing business alongside Jews wearing kippas. The intricacies of life in Israel and the many misconceptions held by people who have never visited were there for me to see once again.

      As a woman living in Tel Aviv, I felt safe and respected. I was never stared at or harassed. (I wish I could say the same thing about my experiences in Beirut.) Despite the fact that the right-leaning government tacitly endorses abysmal treatment of Arabs in the Territories, there is a stark contrast in the way other groups like gay people, Ethiopians, and women can thrive in Israel as compared to how they are treated elsewhere in the region.[..]

      [..] my own Arab Israeli family. There was agreement that they would not want under any circumstances to be ruled by either the PA or Hamas. There were family members who felt that Israeli Arabs are not treated equally and have a harder time advancing economically and socially as a result, and others who were very proud of their Israeli citizenship and of Israel. As I would expect in any country, especially within a minority group, there were a variety of opinions on the current political situation, on ways to integrate the West Bank and Gaza into some form of peace arrangement, on the intentions of various political leaders et cetera.

      [..] not only do the Druze feel at home in Israel, they are willing to fight for the country. Again, this is something I would never have guessed before my trip even though my own mother is of Druze background. I had never heard of the Baha’i or many other groups that live in Israel. So, the Jewish and non-Jewish segments of Israeli society are not in any way the monolithic entities I had imagined. It is, in fact, quite complex.

      [..] I was surprised to realize that there are so many Israelis who strongly oppose the indefinite continuation of the Occupation, and who enjoy good relationships and true friendships with Palestinian and Israeli Arabs. But the government’s position remains strongly in favor of the Occupation, which based on my experience in Lebanon, plays directly into the hands of activists enrolling moderate people into a hateful position regarding Israel and adding to the burden of future generations. Not only do I believe an agreement between the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza is an ethical imperative, I also believe that in practical terms ending the Occupation will go a long way to undermining the political attacks on Israel into which otherwise moderate Arabs are drawn. Of course anti-Semitism and Israel hatred will continue. I am not naïve enough to believe that attacks driven by this will stop. But I do think they can be diminished over time, and if there is going to be a successful peace process, however imperfect, it will be hard to start while so many Palestinians remain hopeless for their own future and their children’s future.

      My black and white image of Israel has been shattered. [..] I will never view that the Occupation is good for anybody [..] But I see that there is tremendous decency in Israeli society [..]

      Some Arabs may view me as a traitor and in fact, I have already been called one. But my loyalty is to decency and to people living the best lives they possibly can [..]

  • The occupation of the American mind, documented
    • Americans' Views Toward Israel Remain Firmly Positive

      .. 62% of Americans saying their sympathies lie more with the Israelis and 15% favoring the Palestinians. About one in four continue to be neutral

      Trend, 2001 to 2016 (first graph):
      - Sympathy for Israel has a peak at 64% in '13; valley at 51% in '01
      - Sympathy for the Palestinians has a peak at 20% in '07, a valley at 12% in '13

      First table: With one exception, in every age/pol/relig category, including 18-29 year olds and dems, isr:pal support is > 2:1, with the highest level -- those who attend worship weekly -- it's > 8:1.

      The exception is 'no religion' which is 41:29 (and 30 for both/neither/noOpinion)

      Suport for Israel both among republicans and democrats has increased over the last decade. Among democrats, support was lowest (since '88) at 37% in '94. Among republicans, support was lowest (since '88) at 45% in '88.

      Acc'g to the pdf, page 2:
      - TotFavorable:TotUnfavorable towards Israel, over 1989-2016 was at its lowest, 45:45, in '89; was 48:43 in '92; and now it's 71:24
      - 'Very favorable' towards Israel is at an all time max (30) since '89; its min was 8 in '89
      - 'Very unfavorable' towards Israel has hit a max of 16% a few times since 1989, but has remained in the 5% - 8% range for the last 10 years

      This is worth repeating: Support for Israel both among republicans and democrats has increased over the last decade.

      The decade of BDS, the decade of dishonest radical leftist rhetoric. Thinking Americans observe the realities of the region: the behavior of Arab state and non-state political actors, the stated objectives of the Islamists, and the desperate efforts by literally millions of Arabs to flee their Arab-controlled homelands.

      American politicians reflect what Americans observe and conclude.

      There's a lot of daylight between not wearing rose-colored glasses in regard to Israel, and, the inane denialism of radical regressive leftists.

  • Video: Meet the brave shoemaker who filmed Israeli soldier executing a Palestinian
    • Arab, grew up under Saddam, lived through U.S. invasion and sectarian violence.

      Opposes Western leftist grievance mongering and incessant wailing about American capitalism and American foreign policy and Zionism.

      Opposes Western leftist apologetics for Islamism (like at Mondoweiss, where nary a word is spoken about the Islamist incitement behind these suicide stabbers).

      Faisal Saeed Al-Mutar, progressive activist, who engages and networks with other Arabs hungry for honest conversations about Arab society and politics, secularism and overcoming sectarianism.

      Does not believe Arabs are too dumb for such conversations.

      Understands it's a long game.

      Warsaw ghetto, my ass.

  • NYC Council bill to track campus anti-Semitism is attack on Palestine activism, advocates say
    • Kane: ... Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli scholar who advocated for the rape of Palestinian women to deter militant attacks.

      I'd never heard of Mordechai Kedar before, but in a few minutes' research, as I suspected, Kane's slur is groundless.

      ... I, Dr. Mordecai Kedar of the Department of Arabic at Bar Ilan University, am an avowed feminist – a fact to which the male and female Jewish and Arab students who participate in my “Gender Issues in the Islamic World” seminar will attest as I see that as more important than the subject matter.

      It follows that I am absolutely opposed to any type of violence towards women, and certainly against that violence which has sexual connotations.

      [..]

      It can be said that throughout the Arab world sexual violence and rape are an inseparable part of the many conflicts that are tearing the Arab world into shreds. Rape during conflicts is a weapon of war that has terrible psychological effects for the victim and her family, and its purpose is to subjugate them mentally, sow fear in their hearts and paralyze them militarily. This finds its expression in the Arabic proverb: “Death but not shame”, meaning “I prefer death to humiliation”, because shame in that culture is worse than death.

      And now, for the radio interview. I was asked by the interviewer how one can deter a suicide terrorist-bomber, the kind that does not fear death. My laconic, prompt answer was the standard one used in the Middle East, that is, that the threat of raping the wife or mother of the terrorist is the only threat that could prevent him from a suicide attack. It goes without saying that I did not even hint at the possibility that Israel could or should commit such a travesty as to act in that fashion.

      [..]

      Unfortunately, there are those who are exploiting what I said to badmouth me [..] I am sure that whoever is doing this is motivated by goodwill, excessive morality and sincere fear for the rule of law and the image of the State of Israel, and not, heaven forbid, by any political disagreements or cultural divide with me or any of the institutions of which I am a member.

      Source: Mordechai Kedar On Rape, the Culture of Shame - and Radio Interviews

      Alex Kane: Radical leftist. Casual liar.

  • Palestinian citizens of Israel respond to poll showing Jewish support for expelling Arabs from country
    • Number of Arab(-Turkish-Persian)-Muslim majority states with Jews being no more than a half of 1% (if not literally 0%) of their population: Dozens, representing perhaps 100% of such states.

      This, when millions of Jews in the region are indigenous to the region.

      Number of Jewish states able to tolerate Arab-Muslims being more than 20% of their population: One, representing fully 100% of such states.

      This, in spite of obvious discomfort and hostility among some sub-populations on either side of the divide. The ratio hasn't changed much for generations.

      On Planet Mondoweiss, the word "racism" is used quite a lot.

      It's a desperate effort to deceive gullible readers, and to distract from big, difficult truths about mid-east societies.

      The lying never stops.

    • Mizrachi Jews tend to support a harder line against Arabs than Ashkenazim. This is well known.

      Mizrachi Jews have deep cultural memory from centuries of living under Arab-Muslim rule. While it's widely acknowledged that there were good periods in some lands, the Mizrachim -- these carriers of "Arab DNA" -- seem to believe that that with Arab political actors, one must maintain a healthy paranoia, and show toughness.

      Also interesting: in a fairly short time, all the lands in the region -- Morrocco to Pakistan, Turkey to Iran -- went to being nearly completely judenfrei. Few of these countries have flourished.

  • Most Jews want to expel Palestinians -- Pew's ugly portrait of Israel
    • ... vicious against the minority, cruel towards their neighbors, steal what they want, kill without conscience, and are sadistic in their treatment towards unarmed civilians ...

      It's almost as if Israelis are gradually adopting the norms of the region.

      An acclimatization.

      A survival strategy.

    • Interesting how nearly a quarter of Israeli Muslims say U.S. support for Israel is either "not supportive enough" or "about right".

      My speculation is that these are the Israeli Muslims most able to think their way out of their indoctrination. They observe their cousins in Arab-Muslim majority lands languishing under authoritarian rule, if not fleeing by the millions at great personal risk.

      My speculation is that these are the Israeli Muslims who have a fairly clear-eyed view of what life would be like under Arab-Muslim majority rule.

  • Study: 'NYT' portrays Islam more negatively than alcohol, cancer, and cocaine
    • Dorgham Abusalim:

      ... what could only be described as the Ayan Hirsi Ali Problem ...

      From today's news:

      Bangladesh considering dropping Islam as official religion due to rising Islamic extremism - Breaking News - Jerusalem Post

      Bangladesh may soon drop Islam as its national religion due to an increase in extremist attacks by Islamic groups targeting the country's minorities, the Daily Mail reported on Thursday.

      The supreme court has begun a hearing which would challenge Islam as the primary religion of roughly 90% of the Bangladesh population.

      The hearing comes after a slew of attacks against the country's minority populations, including Hindus, Christians and Shi'ite Muslims. Many of the attacks have been attributed to radical groups in the region, including those with ties to ISIS.

      Bangladesh received its independence in 1972 following the Bangladesh Liberation War, and established itself as a secular democracy. The country adopted Islam as its official religion in 1988 through a constitutional amendment, although there has been growing sentiment in Bangladesh to return to more secular policies.

      I would like radical leftists to explain how some prominent citizens of Bangladesh have come under the sway of Robert Spencer and Ayan Hirsi Ali. (I say prominent because it's not a trivial thing, especially in a young democracy, to achieve a hearing by the supreme court.)

  • US writer Kristian Davis Bailey is racially profiled, arrested, strip-searched, detained, silenced, traumatized on trip to Palestine
  • Israel detains Washington Post bureau chief in Jerusalem accusing him of ‘incitement’ --updated
    • Booth -- WaPo reporter, direct eyewitness -- still has not denied that an Arab woman made an offer.

      (International news reporting: competitive industry. Reliable eyewitness accounts that can clarify murky events, cut through government spin, are "gold".)

      Instead he gets non-eyewitness Eglash to speak on his behalf: they want to “put the incident behind them and move on”. Pretty sheepish. Comes across like spin.

      Eagle-eyed Ms. Robbins understands what this strongly implies.

      And countermeasures are called for.

      Weave a conspiracy narrative around some of the facts, assert that it's true:

      it’s a witch hunt using a faux alleged passerby as prompting the instigation of an investigation

      Now there's some homecooked Mondoweiss excellence.

      It would be eksellenter, mind, if there were a reliable eyewitness.. and maybe one will emerge. Maybe he's waiting for his broken bones to heal. Maybe he's waiting to escape out of that hellhole. Then he'll be free to tell what he saw and heard.

      --

      israel killing palestinians is the right headline, because they did

      Don't you think People kill some other people, in a place does an even better job in providing readers with a concise description of what happened?

    • tree flaw 1: 'without foundation' means EXACTLY: no reason to think the reporters were guilty of the purported wrong (of offering to pay for a show)

      tree flaw 2: Eglash arrived on the scene after Booth and Taha were taken aside for questioning. she did not witness the encounter with the woman; clearly stated in one of those linked articles

      tree flaw 3: modern cell phones are amazing. lots of megapixels. everybody got one. (and the arab woman may have even offered skilled and experienced photography expertise by one of the "children".

      i don't think you're unintelligent. just another wilfully lying fact-denying spin-it-for-hate mondoweisser

    • the guy who pushed the man was a Druze, according to publically avail info

      a stabbing had just been thwarted.

      to make that super clear for crazy cat ladies: an attempt to pierce flesh, with a knife, causing severe injury or death

      the situation was volatile; people had been warned to stay away. (medics quickly arrived, girl is in recovery)

      video edited to make it seem like out-of-the-blue viciousness, an old technique, for the benefit of muddle-minded hysterics

    • blah-blah-blah chick, your comment is gibberish. You misrepresent, then you vent like a child deprived of candy.

      The officer said that the passer-by said he heard an Arab woman offer the reporters some photogenic sumud theater for payola. (ToI)

      faux-journalist Allison Deger naturally omits this.

      So, after a bit of investigation, the guard determines the reporters were not about to buy the service.

      Significantly, Booth and Taha have not denied that the offer by the woman was not made. This all happened many hours ago now; it takes seconds to tweet a simple denial. Indeed,

      Eglash, speaking on behalf of her colleagues, said they wanted to “put the incident behind them and move on.” (ToI)

      This suggests a conscious decision by these world class media to "neither confirm nor deny" an extremely salient point of fact about a story with international reach. Agenda? Bias?

      Lying hamasbarats like blah-blah-blah chick often rely on inane juvenile rhetoric in place of thinking. I wonder if it ever worked on a geometry test. (I believe there are schools where this is encouraged.)

      It is sobering to contemplate living under a political arrangement that would meet with her satisfaction. The millions who do, yearn to GTFO, and when the opportunity arises, that's what they do.

    • Should 500 days vs. half an hour warrant the "same fuss"?

      I will not rush to accuse you lying troskyites of considering these on par, in your effort to squeeze a few drops of hate juice out of this damp rag of a non-event.

      Rather, I expect you to argue that it was generous and gracious of the proud and deeply indigenous, anti-imperial persians to require anything less than a thousand days to vet their wapo reporter.

      The radleft ideologues again loudly demonstrate their racism, this time by implying that "brown people" can't be expected to respect press freedom more than 1/8000 as much as zio-ashkenazim.

  • Congress seeks to undermine Iran deal by linking Iran with ISIS
    • [The above comment was supposed to be follow-up to a comment that got eaten. Original follows. Perhaps the moderator can repair.]

      .. Adelson’s statement that Obama should detonate a nuclear bomb in Tehran ..

      By selective quotation and absence of context, this is a highly misleading account of what Adelson said.

      I hate to imagine living in a world where Stalinist liars like Phil Weiss have significant influence.

    • I do realize that Weiss wrote

      .. his call to nuke Iran

      and that

      .. Adelson’s statement that Obama should detonate a nuclear bomb in Tehran ..

      is from the i24news link. That story is also weak, but at least provides a bit of context. Which Weiss elides.

    • Mondoweiss does no heavy lifting -- does no independent investigation, does not cultivate and vet sources, provides no historical context... Mondoweiss skims the news, gleans factoids, weaves an inciteful narrative according to preordained conclusions.. floats in a bubble of "priveleged" sanctimony.. despicably shallow yellow journalism.

      --

      Here are two serious articles that provide depth about Iranian actions in Iraq after 2003.

      The Shadow Commander
      Qassem Suleimani is the Iranian operative who has been reshaping the Middle East. Now he’s directing Assad’s war in Syria.
      By Dexter Filkins
      Qassem Suleimani -- great Iranian intelligence master, leader of Quds Force
      http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander?currentPage=all

      What We Left Behind
      An increasingly authoritarian leader, a return of sectarian violence, and a nation worried for its future.
      By Dexter Filkins
      http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/28/what-we-left-behind

      --

      Whatever America's failures in deciding to go into Iraq -- and there was a serious case for and against, plus, no serious opposition from Arab governments or the Arab street -- it's just a Trotskyite fantasy that America's intent was to inflame and destroy according to some nefarious plot cooked up by the Israel Lobby.

      Trotskyites are sad puppies at having no power in America; they rarely recognize how unworthy they are of holding power.

      America worked hard, and spent big in blood and treasure (and domestic popularity, and international standing) trying to provide Iraq with some semblance of workable governing institutions. America was perhaps too "non-racist" in believing that a passion for accountable governance on the Arab street could overcome the megalomaniacal sectarian passions and allegiances that made the casual murder of institution-builders (mostly fellow Arab Muslims, as we've come to expect) commonplace.

      And, as demonstrated in the articles referenced above, Iranian networks -- money, weapons, intelligence, logistics, fighters, jihadi suicidists -- played a large role in the breakdown.

      Phil, your "la-dee-da, it's all to do with the Jewish billionaires, and I'm the brave truth-to-power guy" routine.. it's.. I just don't see how you can keep it up.

      Does anyone serious take you seriously?

  • Why my books are not published in Israel
    • Would an 1840's slave with literary talent who rode the underground railroad to Chicago refuse to have her work published in Alabama?

      Gandhi in British India?

      Would Ayn Rand have refused to have her work published in Communist Moscow in the 1950's?

      Western Arab radicals and their radical Trotskyite apologists appear to have a special talent for camouflage. They show great care to not step too closely to the taboo on forms of engagement that might be seen as undercutting the eliminationist fantasies and hysterical dehumanizing incitement preferred by their tougher comrades embedded in the established networks that control money, weapons and the heavily propagandized education on the Palestinian street.

      Meanwhile, for those who care to know, daily life in Palestine, when objectively assessed, including self-reported experience of life, is near to or better than that of some 1/3 of the nations on the planet.

      In particular, life in Palestine compares favorably not only to life in the least fortunate countries in Africa and the Middle East (including of course those presently embroiled in hot sectarian war -- it would be an obscenity to try drawing conclusions by comparison with these).

      No: life in Palestine compares favorably to countries that have not known full out civil or cross-border war for one or two or more generations: Egypt, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, South Africa, India, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Viet Nam, Philippines, Morocco.

      http://report.hdr.undp.org/
      http://worldhappiness.report/

      Whatabouterry -- it's deep, especially to people curious about why the world is the way it is, and people interested in lived progress.

      On the other hand, those who insist that "supremacist settler-colonialism" explains pretty much everything, and hold to a juvenile narcissistic equalism -- such people are unreachable by facts.

  • Fact Check: MSNBC’s Palestinian loss of land map
    • I will ask readers to reflect on the fact that the plan associated with map 2 would secure private land rights -- homes, farms, and business -- of all residents. Remember who recommended it, who accepted it, and who rejected it.

  • Goldberg says the root of the conflict is the Palestinians' anti-Jewish 'narrative'
    • Possibly, Annie recognizes the intent of my comment. If I made the argument straight on, rather than sideways, that would transgress taboos this site strenuously maintains.

      diasp0ra, you certainly aren't seeing it. (And you stuffed a thousand words in my mouth that aren't there.)

      I'm familiar with your talking points.

    • Phil Weiss:

      And they have some cause for reviling Zionism. 750,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes in 1948 ..

      They reviled Zionism sufficiently to launch a war with eliminationist intent before the naqba. You know this.

      In 1890, the House of Saud's long-term regional rivals, the Rashidis, conquered Riyadh. Ibn Saud was 15 at the time.[12] He and his family initially took refuge with the Al Murrah, a Bedouin tribe in the southern desert of Arabia. Later, the Al Sauds moved to Qatar and stayed there for two months.[13] Their next stop was Bahrain, where they stayed briefly. Their final destination was Kuwait, where they lived for nearly a decade.[13]

      In the spring of 1901, Ibn Saud and some relatives – including a half-brother, Mohammed, and several cousins – set out on a raiding expedition into the Najd, targeting for the most part tribes associated with the Rashidis. As the raid proved profitable, it attracted more participants.

      ..

      While observing Ramadan, he decided to attack Riyadh and retake it from the Al Rashidi. On the night of 15 January 1902, he led 40 men over the walls of the city on tilted palm trees and took the city.[13] The Rashidi governor of the city, Ajlan, was killed in front of his own fortress.

      ..

      On 15 June 1904, Ibn Saud's forces suffered a major defeat at the hands of the combined Ottoman and Rashidi forces. His forces regrouped and began to wage guerrilla warfare against the Ottomans. Over the next two years he was able to disrupt their supply routes, forcing them to retreat.

      He completed his conquest of the Najd and the eastern coast of Arabia in 1912. He then founded the Ikhwan, a military-religious brotherhood which was to assist in his later conquests, with the approval of local Salafi ulema.

      During World War I, the British government established diplomatic relations with Ibn Saud. .. diplomatic missions were established with any Arabian power who might have been able to unify and stabilize the region. The British entered into a treaty in December 1915 (the "Treaty of Darin") which made the lands of the House of Saud a British protectorate and attempted to define the boundaries of the developing Saudi state. In exchange, Ibn Saud pledged to again make war against Ibn Rashid, who was an ally of the Ottomans.

      After Darin, he stockpiled the weapons and supplies which the British provided him .. After World War I, he received further support from the British, including a glut of surplus munitions. He launched his campaign against the Al Rashidi in 1920; by 1922 they had been all but destroyed.

      The defeat of the Al Rashidi doubled the size of Saudi territory .. negotiated a new and more favorable treaty with the British ..

      In 1925, the forces of Ibn Saud captured the holy city of Mecca from Sharif Hussein, ending 700 years of Hashemite rule.

      By 1928, his forces had overrun most of the central Arabian Peninsula.

      ..

      With the uprising and subsequent decimation thereafter of the Ikhwan in 1929 via British air power, the 1930s marked a turning point. With his rivals eliminated, Ibn Saud's ideology was in full force, ending nearly 1400 years of accepted religious practices surrounding the Hajj [annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca], the majority of which were sanctioned by a millennia of scholarship.

      Source

      Indigenous populations, conquering, getting conquered. Dealmaking with powerful foreign empires, Muslim and Christian. Blood in the sand. Opportunistic theological reinterpretations.

      Hard land, hard times, hard men.

      Meanwhile, a few hundred miles to the northwest, thousands of Jews worked purchased land.. draining, tilling, planting.. building homes and barns.. sometimes fending off bandits. These Jewish men and women also became hardened.

      Shall we vilify them all? We at our keyboards, in faraway prosperous lands?

  • Set up? Video appears to show Israeli soldier placing object next to Palestinian killed in Hebron (Update)
  • State Department forced to retract statement suggesting Israel incites violence
    • That video.. the walking.. the singing.. it might be the 773rd most violent, aggressive, and intolerant group political action seen in the ME/NA within the last seven days.

  • Scenes from the Gaza fuel crisis
    • It’s absolutely unbelievable that America doesn’t impose a per-visit fuel limit at all gas stations for at least one day a year. In addition to providing Americans a brief and sorely needed lesson in resource limits, it would provide an opportunity for a day of some male bonding and street-theatrical bonhomie, especially if women were required to stay home for the day.

      No matter what anyone says, Gaza has an abundance of cars less than ten years old and at least one commercial area showing: no damage from the 2014 summer war; a women's dress shop containing a nice display window; a gas station decoratively painted in a most charming manner; and a good number of seemingly well fed, neatly dressed and able-bodied men.

      These men might be more productive if they had a government that was less militancy oriented and more development oriented, which might emerge if the present government were inclined to having the legitimacy of their mandate tested via open electoral competition with other voices. A rejuvenation of the political environment might contribute to Egypt reviewing its policy of keeping the border closed the better part of 24 hours a day/7 days a week/365 days a year for the last decade.

      Thanks, Dan.

  • Netanyahu's 44 seconds of silence at UN are being widely mocked -- 'pathetic,' 'creepy'
    • The Palestinian militant organisation Hamas, which is dominant in Gaza, said "we bless the killing of settlers in the West Bank".

      Spokesman Husam Badran said: "We call on our people in the West Bank to carry out more quality operations like the [one] today.

      "This is the only solution which is supported by the masses of our people everywhere."

      Israeli couple shot dead in West Bank - BBC News

      Hamas spokesmen issued similar laudatory statements in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping of the three Jewish teens prior to last summer's Gaza war. Presuming the spokesmen didn't have inside knowledge of the events, they make these statements without knowing if the action was an actual political act.

      A non-politically motivated act -- robbery attempt, personal vendetta, American-style gun-nut shooting -- is unlikely but not impossible to imagine.

  • Coulter's point is that Republicans pander on Israel to win donors, not voters
    • "Anyone with a pulse knows I am pro-Israel and against the enemies of the Jewish people. I have a whole chapter in my current book praising Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. It's the people attacking me who couldn't care less about Israel or Jews," she said.

      "The hypocrites who are mad at me are the ones who support anti-Israel college professors, who refuse to condemn Islamic barbarism, who supported the overthrow of Mubarak for the Muslim Brotherhood, who spread the deadly libel that Jews in America are only successful because of 'white privilege.'

      "There has been a huge spike in anti-Semitism across Europe due to the massive influx of Muslim immigrants. The same people in a faux uproar about my tweets are also leading the charge to import Muslims into the USA. Half a million girls in the U.S. are now at risk for female genital mutilation. I doubt their dads are voting for pro-Israel politics. I'm the one who just wrote a book about these problems."

      Ann Coulter Calls Fury Over Jewish Debate Tweet "Fake Outrage": "I'm Pro-Israel" - Hollywood Reporter

  • Which nation spends more on its military: Iran or Israel?
    • Other Iran to Israel ratios:

      - 10:1 by population
      - 76:1 by area

      Iran borders 7 other nations, of which 6 are 90%+ Muslim (7th, tiny Christian Armenia, has a teensy shared border).

      All nations (territories) Israel borders are 50%+ Muslim; Israel is of course the only 50%+ Jewish state.

      Maybe Iran can bring peace to the region by offering to the Jews or Arabs of Israel-Palestine one or two 76ths of its territory...

  • AIPAC spending estimated $40 million to oppose Iran Deal
    • I have no such problem.

      It is a deep, demonstrable truth that countries can do fine without a constitution, and, that countries can fail miserably with finely written high minded constitutions.

      You, talknic, are now being accused (1) of knowing this very well (a compliment to your extensive knowledge of world affairs), and, (2) of using a crackpot argument to incite Israel hatred.

      Taking (1) and (2) together constitutes a case of rank dishonesty.

    • Does talknic wish Israel to leave the company of states like U.K., Canada, Saudi Arabia, New Zealand, and join the company of states like Yemen, Iraq, Syria and North Korea?

    • .. mountains of money ..
      .. just how much money AIPAC is hemorrhaging ..

      So..

      About 6M Jews in U.S.

      Say half are in a position to make donations (in the workforce or retired, not in a dire financial situation): 3M

      Say one quarter of those are "on the right": they believe that Iranian hegemonic ambitions should be thwarted, and that the Iranian regime should be made to feel some pain, for its support for Hezbollah and Hamas, and for its support for Iraqi Shiite militants (that helped turn the U.S.-led regime change war {whose intensive de-Baathification provided a significant boost to the prospects of many Shiites} into a protracted "sectarian" {warlordian? kleptarian?} civil war with a very large number of deaths): 0.75M

      If a similar number of U.S. Christians feel the same way -- that is, 0.75M drawn from the tens of millions of evangelicals -- you have a total donor pool of 1.5M.

      To raise $30M for a campaign, you'd need twenty bucks per person.

      That's not the way it actually happens of course. There are $100 cheques and there are $1000 cheques.

      But it's by no means an outlandish amount money.

  • Deconstructing Netanyahu's response to the Iran deal
    • Trotskyites admire dictatorships, and regularly offer up spirited apologetics for dictatorships.

      What Trotskyites rarely do, however, is come out and say: The dictatorship that we wish to impose on you will be good for you. You're gonna like it.

  • In Israel, racism is standard procedure
    • If you don't demand that purity, the absolutely correct and proper line, then there's a certain feeling you don't get to experience.

  • Families in Khuza’a forced to live in shipping containers as politics prevent Gaza reconstruction
    • There's a Hamasbara handbook too bryan.

      The article baits with human suffering, and switches to Hamasbara talking points.

      Your recap of the summer war neglects claims that Hamas networks were being established in the WB in the hopes of launching a coup against the PA; if such claims are pure Israeli deception, one must explain how reconciliation-supporter Abbas did not deny such claims, indeed treated them as plausible.

      Related to this is that the PA supplied IDF with intelligence on gaza targets, and, that Egypt kept Gaza shut from the south (and pretty much kept its own mouth shut throughout).

      Tell the truth: You, and Dan Cohen, consider the advance of the Iranian-supported Gaza Islamists to be a good thing, the best available response to the cruelty and corruption of the (ethno-religiously promiscuous) Israel/PA/Egypt, and ultimately, American, alliance.

      And while you're at it, take ownership of the view that the rejectionism/eliminationism that preceded the naqba was good and just.

    • 100% of the blame on Israel?

      0% of the blame on Arab priorities & choices?

      The misery is real. Its use is cynical.

  • Ilan Pappe on the western awakening and what it means for Israel/Palestine
    • A thing that Bennet, Nasrallah, Netanyahu, Meshaal (and I, though no statesman) all agree on (if for markedly different reasons) is that the Nov/1947 borders are completely irrelevant.

      Evolve.

    • I believe it was not 7% but 4% prior to the onset (1880's) of European Jewish immigration (no source for that offhand).

      Of greater relevance: by 1947, there would have been a small number of 4th generation progeny from the earliest immigrants, a larger number of 3rd generation progeny, etc. (The math is not hard.)

      Of even greater relevance: You champion a position that, given realities on the street and in the region, is likely to result in many Arabs remaining stateless and in refugee camps for generations.

    • Pap[p]e keeps repeating the claim that Israel is a “European colonial project”.

      And the State of Utah is an "upstate New York colonial project".

      And the upscale real estate market ($20 million+ condos) in London are a "Russia-China oligarch colonial project".

      And repetition creates truth.

      Marxists have a lot of trouble understanding that shit happens in the world -- good shit, bad shit -- outside the confines of their brittle ideologies.

    • If a tree falls in the... Wait! An even better question:

      If a group of Marxists repeat to one another many times daily that their position on Israel-Palestine is based on a commitment to human rights, freedom, equality, opposition to land-grabbing and social justice, does this render false the existence in the region of an ongoing widely shared sacralized naqba-preceding and continually reinforced commitment to eliminate through force of arms the Zionists from the river to the sea?

  • Front-page attack in New York Times says BDS movement is driven by minorities' 'hostility toward Jews'
    • Download PDF

      At 3M visits/year, ranks 57th of 141 countries (p. 363) despite the border security, the violence and the relatively high prices. (Ranks 83rd by population, p.361.)

      In the ME/NA region (p.18), yeah, "only" 7th of 16, but.. the report omits 3 countries in the region (also) at war. Also, 5 of the 6 countries that rank higher are oil monarchies that spent gazillions of petrodollars on splendiferous tourist-centric infrastructure.

      Keep the hysterical comments coming; Israel is bound to collapse eventually.

  • No Palestinians need apply to new Israeli government-- and American liberals don't notice
    • A deeply inane article, rife with tanker sized logic holes, shallow analogies, and utter denial of the challenges Israel faces.

      Three things jump out: (1) denial that the 1947 war isn't over. (2) Fatuous presumption that 100% of Arabs are dumb (i.e. that none voted for parties other than "their" one ethno-party), a presumption that should be profoundly embarrassing to you "anti-racists". (3) Since you guys are humiliated -- yet again -- that Israel demonstrates orderly transition of government flowing from a deliberative coalition building process -- sans shooting and imprisonment -- and demonstrates this before an Arab world whose nearly every nation is either in flames or in lockdown (and yet somehow -- in your mind -- is on the very brink of offering "social justice" to its masses), you.. how to describe it?.. flail? yelp? divert?

      You guys are truly the Al Sharptons of Israel-Palestine journalism!

  • MSM's platform for Pamela Geller is equivalent to normalizing David Duke and Nazis
    • Pamela Geller, David Duke, James North and Philip Weiss have a lot in common.

      First comes the all-embracing ideology, then facts are found, others ignored, all in service of the ideology. And the world is no clearer for it.

      After years of tension, anti-American sentiment ebbs in Pakistan

      Anti-American sentiment appears to be going out of style.

      The shift has come as Pakistanis appear to be looking closer to home for the causes of — and answers to — the country’s woes, according to interviews with residents, analysts, and current and former diplomats.

      Those observers say the change is being driven by a Pakistani middle class that is now more supportive of American drone strikes — which have declined precipitously in recent years — particularly since a school massacre by the Taliban that killed about 150 students and teachers in December. And as conflict spreads in the Middle East, there is a growing recognition in Pakistan that sectarian violence in Muslim countries isn’t all driven by the United States. The Obama administration’s efforts to quietly rebuild relationships here are starting to have an effect, analysts say.

      You should stop treating every violent act by Islamists as a natural response to Imperialism. You should stop treating every fatuous, craven statement by Islamic apologists as worthy of respect.

    • It’s true that no Muslim Americans showed up to protest Geller’s event..

      Simpson was born in Illinois. Nadir Soofi was born in Dallas. (source)

      You may have a case, depending on how we interpret terms like Muslim Americans, or protest, or most particularly, true.

    • Annie away, you say?

      My posts have been held up for a mere hour or two recently, and not the usual 24.

      I had some weird theories bouncing around my head on that, but it's all clear now.

    • Imagine a cartoon contest to draw the most hideous caricature of a Jew ..

      It's easy..

      if you try

  • Gaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk
    • Rereading, I must confess that I've failed my own math challenge. Apologies to Walid and Marnie for the misquotes.

      It should be:

      not a penny = not a dime = $20,000,000,000

    • .. the viciousness and sadism that the likes of you incessantly accuse the people of Israel of being responsible for.

    • I'm noticing what I believe to be insincere, manufactured outrage. Faux-outrage. Having little to do with the death and suffering of guerilla war, little to do with how the IDF conducts its side of that war (particularly in comparison to how such wars are fought elsewhere). It has everything to do with a pre-existing certainty that Israel's cause is evil, and that of Hamas (on which point, subsequent comment to follow) is noble in comparison.

      This is chapter 41 in its entirety from the report:

      "We were about to launch the rocket and then one of the soldiers yells at them not to shoot because he could hear people inside the house"

      Unit: Infantry • Rank: First Sergeant • Location: Northern Gaza Strip

      When a [combat] engineering unit enters a house they blow up a wall, open up a hole, enter and then start by throwing grenades into the larger spaces. A grenade inside a house is super intense – within seconds the whole place is full of smoke. The platoon commander throws a few grenades into the larger spaces, you turn on a flashlight fixed to your weapon and start shooting at all sorts of places. And then he and his team go in first. One platoon was about to ‘open’ a house with a MATADOR (portable anti-tank rocket), and there was a field interrogator – usually that’s a reservist who speaks Arabic who comes around with an electric megaphone and shouts really loudly that if anyone is in the house they should come out. They were about to launch the rocket and then *** yelled, “Don’t shoot” because he could hear people inside the house, he saved an entire family. They found this family in one of the houses and moved them to another house, a two- minute walk from there. It was very weird, protecting them. We put them in the guest room. They were all sitting there on a sofa, on a mattress, sitting and not saying a word. There were a few kids there, and a few women and someone who was definitely the father. He had the air of a father. *** guarded them first, and he had a bag of jelly candies in his pocket and he said he didn’t know whether to give them some. In the end we did give the kids some candy. This is a dilemma we knew from Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). You have no reason to be nice to a Palestinian at a checkpoint – he won’t like you any better for it. You’re a son of a bitch, you’re oppressing him with this checkpoint you’re manning. And he said the same thing: “These kids, what’s going on now is for sure the most traumatic thing to have ever happened in their lives until now – if I give them some jelly candy will they really feel any better? What kind of crap is that?” In the end he did give them candies, ‘cause they were cute. And we brought them water, and then we realized they weren’t drinking or eating because this was during Ramadan and we had barged in before their Ramadan meal. An hour later somebody came around to escort them to the main route and bid them good luck.

      This is the voice of a sensitive young person thrown into a harrowing situation.

      May every war now being fought, and every war yet to be fought, produce such testimony.

      But it -- and much else that I've sampled in the document -- provides nothing close to evidence for war crimes, nor for the viciousness and sadism that the likes of you incessantly accuse the people of Israel of being.

      Looking at the named funders and supporting organization on page 3, it appears that, at heart, this is war testimony with a purpose, an agenda in place before any shot was fired. It's a politicized production.

    • In the above comments we find:

      a) Israel vilified for overvaluing their civilians (by waging war when a few "firecrackers" kill a few civilians)

      b) Israel vilified for overvaluing their fighters (treating fighters as having the value of civilians)

      The contradictory claims just keep swooshing to and fro.

      As it turns out, Israel lost about 70 soldiers against some 3 civilians, and Hamas lost (if memory serves) maybe 700 fighters against some 1400 civilians.

      There is a huge difference in the ratios, with Israel "spending" 23 soldiers, and Hamas "spending" 0.5 soldiers, to "account for" the loss of each one of their own civilians.

      Gaza needs better government.

    • 1 penny = 1 dime = 20 billion dollars

      Math is is easy.. on planet Mondoweiss

    • From public sources I calculate that 0.5% of U.S. defense spending provides 13% of Israel's defense spending.

    • Brutal? Vicious?

      The ideologized mind is a wonder to behold.

      The video shows an arrest by professionals of a healthy, well-built twenty-something. (Of course, we have no context.) The man is resisting by clinging to a 3 year old girl as a shield. It looks as if the whole thing goes down with not a drop of blood shed.

      From 0:38, we see the cop gingerly extricate the girl from the fray, cradling her just the way a man should. With the girl safe, the cop returns his attention to the main event. Then the girl, suddenly intrigued by the cop's bald pate, reaches out to give it a stroke. This is very funny. Also funny is the cop's lightning head flinch -- it is after all still a highly charged situation; he recovers in an instant, and allows her to proceed with a tender massage! (Who needs cat videos?)

      From 0:48, "mom" (finally) approaches to retrieve the girl from the cop; he hesitates: can this woman be trusted with the precious cargo? mom almost wrenches the girl's arm from its socket. The girl appears to be less comfortable with "mom" than cop.

      There is a gratuitous slap at 1:19, probably as traumatic as the first two minutes of training of a recruit in either the IDF or Hamas.

      This could be a training video for how to do things right. I hope a lot of American cops watch it. I very much hope Arab cops watch it.

      And again: the ideologized mind is a wonder to behold.

  • Forgiving the anti-Semites
    • The "200 years unpublished because jewish power" claim is one of the sillier claims flying around the internet. I've seen it often enough from transparent jew haters; I didn't expect to see it on MW.

      An interesting feature of this claim is that, although you can demonstrate its silliness with some research, it's easy to do so by mere 'thought experiment', assuming you've got your eyes at least half-way open.

  • Marking Memorial Day in Tel Aviv with Kahanists and Combatants for Peace
  • Obama's long & passionate Monday with Saban, Foxman, Hoenlein and other Jewish leaders demonstrates power of Israel lobby
    • Philip Weiss levels the charge -- twice -- that the rich powerful Jewish Zionists are behind an alteration of the president's calendar:

      .. he cleared his schedule for Jewish leaders ..

      .. the President is clearing his calendar to talk to Jewish leaders ..

      Nowhere in the article is any evidence provided that an alteration of the president's calendar took place.

      The confabulist-fanaticist tail appears to be wagging the truthspeaking dog.

  • CUFI Leader John Hagee confirms Christian Zionism is anti-Semitic
    • A highly intelligent guy like Ben Norton understands that it's just as easy to spin Hageeism as an ideology infused with love for Jews, a loving concern for their eternal souls, and containing notions of Jews being "almost there" and needing a prayerful nudge.

      But Norton's real religion, anti-Israelism, compels him (and Blumenthal) to spin it the other way: "Antisemitism!!"

      It's quite transparent: the more people trash talk Hagee, the weaker the alliance between the American heartland and Israel.

      Not a bad tactic, and not new.

      I suspect a highly intelligent guy like Ben Norton also has opinions about some influential Islamic constituencies, and their notions of Jewish lives and Jewish souls. But Islamophilia is an arrow in the quiver of anti-Israelism, so on that subject he will stay silent.

    • Questioning the wisdom or realism of Hirsi Ali's call for an Islamic "Protestant Reformation" is something I can see a smart person doing.

      But attempting to tarnish her by calling attention to Martin Luther's anti-Judaism? F*ck, that's dumb. Says much about Blumenthal, and about 'just' for cheering him on.

  • Two-state-solution is at last disputed in Israeli elections (though not 'nation state of the Jewish people')
    • Philip Weiss, your second to last paragraph is remarkable, so I'll remark upon it.

      The “security diplomatic” initiative would seem to refer to the demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state, ..

      Such an initiative has no need of such a demand, and you provide no evidence that Herzog-Livni favor making such a demand, whether the evidence is drawn from election rhetoric or from prior statements or actions indicating serious commitment.

      .. language that Palestinian leaders have indicated they will not accept.

      The link appears to promise an article about the "Israel as a Jewish state" question and the case for rejecting it. However, the linked article is about a different subject, and mentions the non-acceptance in one sentence.

      And as for “the unequivocal definition of the State of Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people,” ..

      Herzog-Livni are reiterating a core value of the Israeli street. Oppose this value all you wish, but again you've made no case that Herzog-Livni would insist that any parties involved with a plausible security-diplomatic initiative sign on to such a definition or value. As many have pointed out, these symbolism-heavy distractions didn't get in the way of accords reached with Egypt and Jordan. (Israel could "define" itself, idiotically, as sushi-centric and hummus-phobic, and there still could be diplomatic advances. Ditto for Palestine.)

      .. it was Netanyahu’s legislation that called for just that that caused his government to collapse last year.

      The link appears to promise an article about the fall of the coalition. The linked article (which is unusually superficial and screechy .. "politicans care about power!", "politicans are egotistical!") is mainly about how rickety the coalition was from the get-go (and who didn't already know that?). It mentions the actual collapse and "the controversial bill to define Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people" ever so briefly.

      .. amid widespread outrage ..

      Finally, an article that's actually about the 'Jewish nation-state' bill.. except.. it demonstrates Dahlia Scheindlin's outrage, and contains not an iota of evidence for any widespread outrage.

      I'm not defending that particular legislation. I'm noticing political writing lacking in self-awareness of its failure to make its case.

      Finally, about those wild and wacky Israeli coalition governments, as I wrote a week or two back:

      I sometimes wonder what goes on in the minds of the elites of the Arab world -- all the "Ministers of the Interior", the oil and public works ministers, the judges, the UN representatives who drearily cast votes condemning Israel for "violations of international law", and their jet-setting, shopaholic families -- when they behold an Israeli election, noisy and bloodless. What do they make of its aftermath, the coalition formation process, with personalities as disparate as Livni and Lapid, Bennet and Lieberman, all agreeing to join a governing cabinet?

      Throughout the region, and well beyond, political power remains for the most part wielded by vicious unaccountable alpha-of-the-pack wolves, their power maintained by networks of paid thugs.

      "Whatabouterry" -- it's deep.

  • Leading NY institutions discuss the Nakba -- and there is not a Palestinian in sight
    • About those long quotations 'tree' hauls out..

      They refute a brand of Zionist historiography -- "We never expelled anyone! They all fled! Jews would never think of such a thing!" -- that one doesn't really hear much anymore. It'd be hard to find an Israeli who would claim it. Consider: Khirbet Khizeh was published in Israel in 1949, was widely read and discussed, and was even required reading in highschool for years. (Maybe it still is; I don't know.)

      The quotations don't do as much work as 'tree' seems to think.

      They pertain to tactics discussed or adopted in 1936 and later. This does not tell us much about the central thrust of Zionist thinking prior to that time. And it doesn't tell us much about realities on the ground at the time which drove the Yishuv, justifiably, to consider such tactics.

      There can be no hope of understanding that time without considering the many instances of Arab violence carried out from 1920, well before Jewish groups adopted similar tactics. This had a huge impact on the Yishuv leadership's perception of what was possible in regard to Arab and Jew living side by side.

      And much of that Arab violence was against Arabs (in rhyme with what's happening today in a lot of the ME & NA), violence by al-Husseini's total-dominance seeking, hyper-rejectionists against Arabs that wouldn't toe the line; during some periods, Arab victims outnumbered Jewish victims of the radical Arab nationalists.

      The relatively high functioning institutions of the Yishuv by that time -- the political parties and councils of elected decision makers, institutions for land use planning, education, philanthropy, medical services, self-defence (in reaction to hostilities), etc. had persuaded some Arab notables that a Zionist political entity of some kind was likely, was tolerable, and even beneficial to Arab residents. Those state-building efforts were legal under the Ottomans, then the British. Of course, many illegal activities -- arms smuggling, killing, immigration -- did come about, but not without provocation (the British, naturally self-interested, broke promises to both Arab and Jew), and they emerged rather late in the already 50+ year history of the Yishuv.

      Also, the Yishuv knew there were millions of Jews in Europe facing considerable danger (one wonders if even they fully understood it). The Yishuv couldn't possibly hope to provide refuge to at least some of those millions with belligerent irregulars nestled in densely Arab areas under loose Jewish control.

      So there were good reasons for Ben-Gurion and the other leaders to entertain transfer by then, just as there were good reasons, indeed very good reasons, for responsible Arabs to sit down to internationally administered negotiations and seriously work towards a 'good enough' deal.

      On Planet Mondoweiss, like other organs of Hamasbara, hysteria reigns. The Zionists may as well have sailed in on warships, waving about Rothschild money on good days, brandishing rifles on bad ones, greedily seeking to pillage Arabs.

      You'd never know that a Jew ever drained a single swamp or built a single barn!

      Hey, world! We need to do 1947 all over again, 'cept this time, the good guys, the ones honestly declaring their intent to ethnically cleanse, oughtta win!

      Thoughtful people ain't having it.

  • Netanyahu speech is 'destructive' of 'bipartisan, immutable relationship' between US and Israel, Rice says
    • “You have a head of state who happens to be a maniac” – Norman Finkelstein on Israel

      And yet, if the election does not go Netanyahu's way, he will relinquish power.

      I sometimes wonder what goes on in the minds of the elites of the Arab world -- all the "Ministers of the Interior", the oil and public works ministers, the judges, the UN representatives who drearily cast votes condemning Israel for "violations of international law", and their jet-setting, shopaholic families -- when they behold an Israeli election, noisy and bloodless. What do they make of its aftermath, the coalition formation process, with personalities as disparate as Livni and Lapid, Bennet and Lieberman, all agreeing to join a governing cabinet?

      Throughout the region, and well beyond, political power remains for the most part wielded by viscious unaccountable alpha-of-the-pack wolves, their power maintained by networks of paid thugs.

      Yemen's former president Ali Abdullah Saleh is suspected of amassing $30bn-$62bn of assets during and after his time in power, UN experts have said.

      They said Mr Saleh was believed to have transferred much of the wealth abroad under other names.

      Yemen is the poorest country in the Middle East.

      The report said Mr Saleh's assets included property, cash, shares, gold and other valuable commodities spread across at least 20 countries.

      Yemen ex-leader Saleh 'amassed up to $60bn' - UN probe - BBC News

      The low estimate, $30bn, equal to some ten years of U.S. funds provided to Israel, for one guy's private fortune.

      Thousands of Arabs who stood against this thuggery in recent years, many brave young men and women, are dead or languishing in prison. Many of those were targeted because they expressed political views on social media.

      What we are doing on these sites.

      Whataboutery: it's deep.

    • .. but the placard he’s holding shows not the cartoon, but rather ..

      If the cause is so noble, why must the proponents so frequently lie?

    • She needs thousands of Israeli shekels for make up (wasted effort) and acts like the Queen of Zioland ..

      White hot hatred of the cruel and greedy is perhaps not the worst sentiment. But it needs to be calibrated.

      The Arab world's first ladies of oppression

      "Every revolution has its Lady Macbeth," sighed one Middle East expert in Paris. The dictators' wives are all very different, united by the varying degrees of hatred they inspired, eye-watering fortunes, expensive wardrobes and often a state-sanctioned so-called "feminism" or, like Asma al-Assad, charity work as a public distraction against the brutal realities of the regime.

      Leila Trabelsi, the politically ambitious wife of Tunisia's Zine El-Abidine Ben Ali, was easily the most detested, a monstrous symbol of nepotism and corruption, whose embezzlement of state wealth made Imelda Marcos's nearly 3,000 pair of shoes seem trifling. Trabelsi sparked the sense of injustice that flamed the revolution, keeping a mafia-style hold of the nation's economy, siphoning off riches to her and her husband's family, who were thought to control 30-40% of the economy, running everything from customs to car-dealers, supermarket chains and banana importations. She and her relatives are accused of ordering people from their homes if they wanted their land, confiscating their businesses if they thought they could profit from them. Trabelsi took archaeological artefacts to decorate her palace rooms while her daughter and son in law flew in ice-cream from St-Tropez for dinner parties.

      Described as the woman who sparked the Arab spring, Trabelsi, who liked to be called "Madame La Présidente", inspires dread in the public imagination. A book by her butler recently described how she would ritually sacrifice chameleons to supposedly cast spells over her husband and how she punished one cook by plunging their hands into boiling oil. From exile in Saudi Arabia with her husband Ben Ali, the couple are seeking to appeal their sentencing in absentia last year to 35 years in jail accused of theft and unlawful possession of large sums of foreign currency, jewellery, archaeological artefacts, drugs and weapons – the first of several cases against them. After they fled, $27m (£17m) in cash and jewels, guns and 2kg of drugs were found at one of their lavish palaces outside Tunis.

      Meanwhile, Suzanne, the half-Welsh wife of Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, benefited from a fortune of billions in a country where around 40% of the population lives on less than £1.20 per day. She is now being investigated alongside her husband on allegations of crimes against the state and has relinquished disputed assets worth nearly £2.5m. Before the Egyptian revolution, whole newspaper pages were "allocated" to cover Suzanne's "charitable engagements" and "actions" for women. But like Trabelsi, this was a facade. The Tunisian first lady headed several official women's rights bodies, awarding herself prizes for feminism, while grassroots feminist democracy campaigners saw their members regularly beaten in the street by the regime's police and political prisoners were raped in torture cells. Similarly, Suzanne Mubarak would jet off to meet Arab leaders' wives to talk about women's issues while independent women in Egypt were being heavily repressed.

      Suzanne, 71, whose father was a doctor and mother a nurse from Pontypridd, married Mubarak when she was 17 and he was a 30-year-old army officer. One account described her lying weeping on the palace floor, refusing to leave during the uprising.

      Whataboutery: it's deep.

  • Second UK-based Israeli drone factory shut down by protesters
    • Palestinians have called on governments to impose an arms embargo on Israel, and not to buy arms from Israeli companies..

      We must restore sanity to the world, so that when international-law-abiding, human-rights-promoting weaponry-starved judenrein nations of the world like Pakistan, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Algeria go shopping for arms, their main suppliers continue to be international-law-abiding, human-rights-promoting nations like Russia, U.S., China.

      Further, let us all work hard to believe that these latter nations (along with France, U.K., Germany, Italy, etc. which have not had enemies at their borders for a generation or three) produce weapons that would never harm a Gazan child.

      While we're at it, let us all work hard to not think about the twelve ongoing armed conflicts, of which eight involve radical Islam, that have each taken more life in 2014 than the summer Gaza war.

  • A place where Palestine doesn't exist (Notes from a Zionist education)
    • Imagine a world where most people belonged to one of two mutually hostile tribes. One tribe insists that water boils at 99.4C; the other, that water boils at 99.7C. Each tribe promotes its own "narrative" and strictly enforces taboos against entertaining the narrative of the other.

      The claims appear incompatible, but, with a properly enlarged perspective, it turns out both claims are constituents of a larger truth. Internalizing the larger truth requires some serious study.

      Tribes have to prepare their youth for productive participation in society. There are constraints: on time, on intelligence and curiousity, on empathy. It's costly and risky for either tribal leadership to expend the resources necessary to enable the larger truth to take hold broadly.

      Complex social organizations, in order to endure, need machinists and nurses, and they need them to be loyal.

      They also need specialists in geopolitics, which remains a fairly amoral undertaking, and suitable for only particular kinds of personalities.

      So you've penetrated a bubble of tribal indoctrination. That can make a person feel heady, as if having taken flight, as if they now see the way the world is. It can make one resent the tribal leaders for disincentivizing the pursuit of the knowledge that reveals the severe incompleteness, or even the outright falsehoods, of the indoctrination.

      One may be tempted to embrace, in a facile manner, the opposing tribe's narrative:

      .. they have been continuously marginalized and massacred..

      .. these terms insist that Palestinians aren’t quite human..

      One may become a moral peacock, disconnected from the actual responsibilities that must be borne to maintain a measure of security in a harsh world.

      One also might try to learn about the opposing tribe's indoctrination story, along with its omissions, distortions and fabrications; that tribe's taboos, and how they're enforced.

      It's a lot to learn, and it's made difficult with many liars, professional and amateur, working hard, like settlers, to occupy real estate in your brain.

  • Stanford petition misrepresents resolution to divest from occupation
    • Exact quote:

      Only 11% of Palestinian households with at least one member in the family traveled outside Palestine during 2012, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) said Monday.

      It's a very strangely worded stat. Maybe a language thing. I don't think I badly misrepresented it, but better would be: "Only 11% of Palestinian households had one or more members travel outside Palestine during 2012.."

    • David Palumbo-Liu,

      You say:

      .. illegal practices, practices that do great harm and damage to a captive population. Period.

      But the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics reported that 11% of Palestinian households traveled outside Palestine during 2012, to visit relatives and friends, for religious purposes, for leisure and for business or work purposes. Are you claiming North Korea - style captivity? Can you clarify?

      You say:

      We now know that Israel knew the youths were already dead when it used the pretext of the search for the youths for its brutal and illegal act of collective punishment ..

      I'm not sure who this we is, but, I'd like to know if you favor requiring police to halt the investigation of a kidnapping in progress upon hearing gunshots on a cell phone. It would be an unusual preference.

      The Louise Hewlett Nixon Professor and Professor of Comparative Literature at Stanford University should consider coming out and saying that the cell phone recording altered the probability that the youths had been killed, but offered nothing close to certainty.

      You write:

      The United Nations found, between July 8 and August 27, 2014:

      2104 Palestinians killed, of whom were 1,462 civilians, including 495 children and 253 women.

      Is the professor satisfied that the U.N. performed an independant investigation, or are they repeating figures provided by Hamas? Is the professor aware that Hamas has a deep interest in inflating its civilian casualty numbers, and may be tempted to report armed 16- and 17-year old militants as civilian children, and armed female militants as civilian women?

      Regarding

      .. the ardent and systematic effort on the part of the Israeli government to collectively punish a population, destroy its infrastructure, and terrorize its civilian population

      There is important context missing in this characterization of the summer war: the stated goals of Hamas; that Israel was acting in concert with the Palestinian Authority and the Egyptian security establishment; that the PA had recently learned that Hamas was preparing a coup against the PA in the West bank; finally, that the PA provided target information to Israel, in order to inflict severe losses against Hamas personnel and command and control capabilities.

      This information is necessary to have a fuller picture of this war.

      Again, this action was unleashed upon a captive Palestinian people on the pretext that Israel was searching for the missing youths.

      Repetition does not make things true. The best analyses I've read are quite clear: neither Israel nor Hamas wanted this war; the kidnapping and murder of the youths was carried out by a Hamas cell supported by a Hamas network; the higher political levels of Hamas did not have prior knowledge of the operation, but applauded it publically when it became known.

      The sequence of events I've described is quite public, and is not, so far as I know, contested by either Israel or Hamas.

      On what basis do you claim otherwise?

      If there is no such basis, you risk earning a reputation as a purveyor of falsehoods

      with which Stanford cannot be associated without casting real doubt as to its commitment to the standard of ethics it professes.

      You wrote:

      [I]n accordance with international human rights conventions, the population of an occupied territory is supposed to be under the protection of its occupier.

      Those conventions are important, and are surely intended to apply to a civilian non-combatant population upon cessation of hostilities. Those conventions couldn't possibly apply to a territory of weapon-bearing militants openly calling for the destruction of the occupier and engaging them militarily.

  • Palestinian youth face psychological trauma and educational neglect following Israeli detention
  • Since when is the Southern Poverty Law Center a pro-Israel organization?
    • But how do you feel about Israel as a Jewish State, created at the expense of the indigenous Palestinians who were driven out from their homes in 1948

      Looking at the "Arab World" in the broad sense -- all 22 countries in the Arab League, including Palestinian territories -- and including Israel in that super-region:

      by area, 99.84% is "Arab" (actually, "Arab and other"), 0.16% is (green line) Israel
      by population, the corresponding percentages are 97.8% "Arab" (not-Israeli), and 2.2% Israeli (of which 80% are Jewish)

      These numbers tell us something about the world as it really is.

      (My argument is not about religion, but as an aside, a comparison that included all Muslim majority countries would include Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia and others, and would result in a more dramatic disproportion, easily more than 99.9% to 0.1% by area.)

      Now, the "Arab League region" is very broad (and non-contiguous). Some member states (Comoros, Djibouti and others) are far from Israel-Palestine. Also, not all member states consist of Arab peoples. (It *excludes* (Persian) Iran and Turkey, significant Muslim geopolitical actors).

      Consider a much more focused comparison, a region consisting of Israel and key neighbouring "frontline" countries that warred with Israel in '48 and '67. This would exclude (powerhouse) Saudi Arabia, plus, Yemen, Oman, gulf states, and again, (powerhouse) Iran.

      This region includes, along with Israel, only Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Palestine (as conceived by the conventional two-state solution).

      (Passing comment about the religions in this region: the population of this region is 96.3% gentile, 3.7% Jewish.)

      If there were a Palestinian state:
      - by area, the region would be 98.8% Arab and 1.2% Israel ===> the most important statistic of this comment
      - by population, 95.1% would have majority-Arab nationality, and 4.9% Israeli

      If Israel annexed Palestinian territories:
      - by area, the region would be 98.4% "Arab" and 1.6% Israel
      - by population, 92.2% would have majority-Arab nationality, and 7.8% Israeli

      Rejectionists consider a solution where Arabs control more than 98% of the region for 92% - 95% of the people unacceptable.

      (We pause to fantasize about U.S., Canadian or Australian "two-state solutions" in which indigenous peoples controlled more than 98% of the land, the Europeans less than 2%.)

      The rejectionist strain was dominant in Arab politics going back decades prior to 1947. That year, a proposal even more favorable to Arabs than 98.8% to 1.2% was suggested by the nations of the world, a proposal accepted (through gritted teeth) by the Zionists. This proposal had no requirement for the displacement of a single family from home, farm, or business.

  • Auschwitz revisited
    • Yazidi militia makes public request for Israeli help | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

      (JTA) — An official in a militia organized by Iraq’s Yazidi minority has issued a public call for Israeli assistance.

      Lt. Col. Lukman Ibrahim, speaking to Al-Monitor, said the militia needs weapons and aid, and would like Israeli assistance so it can fight Islamic State, or ISIS. He said the Yazidis support Israel and fight similar enemies.

      Israel has yet to respond to the Yazidi request.

      The militia, with 12,000 members, was organized in August to defend against ISIS, which has persecuted and killed the minority since capturing Yazidi cities last year. Most of the fighters are untrained.

      “We appeal to the Israeli government and its leader to step in and help this nation, which loves the Jewish people,” Ibrahim was quoted as saying by Al-Monitor. “We would be most grateful for the establishment of military ties — for instance, the training of fighters and the formation of joint teams. We are well aware of the circumstances the Israelis are in, and of the suffering they have endured at the hands of the Arabs ever since the establishment of their state. We, too, are suffering on account of them.”

  • Palestine, an Islamic issue?
    • Claimed by Ahmed Moor:

      Palestinian society is not Muslim

      West Bank: Muslim 80–85% (predominantly Sunni; also nondenominational), Christian 1.0–2.5%, Jewish 12–14%
      Gaza: Muslim 98–99 % (predominantly Sunni), Christian 0.7%

      Demographics of the Palestinian territories (sourced to CIA)

      From Muslim Beliefs About Sharia | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project:

      Support for sharia as the official law of the land among Muslims is 89% in the Palestinian territories (compare to 29% for Lebanon, 56% for Tunisia).

      Among those who support sharia as the official law of the land, support for its application to non-Muslims is 44% in Palestine, thus, .44 x .89 = 39% of all Palestinian Muslims; compare to Lebanon at (.48 x .29 =) 14% and Tunisia at (.40 x .56 =) 22%.

      Among those who support sharia as the official law of the land, support for the death penalty for leaving Islam is 66% in Palestine, thus, .66 x .89 = 59% of all Palestinian Muslims; compare to Lebanon at (.46 x .29 =) 13% and Tunisia at (.29 x .56 =) 16%.

      If you check the PEW report, you'll find the Palestine numbers are fairly close to those of Jordan and Egypt.

    • Benny Morris, writing in a book review [Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948By Hillel Cohen~ed.], in 2008:

      Cohen's learned book, especially its lengthy citations from Zionist intelligence reports and from Arab letters and memoranda, incidentally sheds light on a rarely illumined aspect of Palestinian nationalism (and one that indirectly "explains" at least some of the collaborators). From the first, the nationalism of Palestine's Arabs was blatantly religious. Almost all the "nationalist" statements Cohen quotes were couched in religious or semi- religious terms. We are dealing here with an Islamic nationalism.....

      ......

      This Islamism colored the Palestinian national movement from its conception. When, in 1911, the Jaffa newspaper Filastin attacked land-sellers, it declared: "All land belongs to God, but the land on which we live belongs to the homeland [watan], at the command of God." "Islam does not forgive traitors," village mukhtars were told by urban nationalists in 1920. In 1925, the mufti of Gaza, Hajj Muhammad Said al-Husseini, issued a fatwa forbidding land sales to Jews. The Jews, he said, were no longer a protected people (as they had been in the Islamic world during the previous thirteen centuries). ..

      A more comprehensive fatwa against land sales was issued by the ulama (the authorities on law and religion) of Palestine in January 1935.....

      The founding declaration of the Higher Arab Committee, the executive body chaired by Hajj Amin alHusseini that was to lead the Palestinians both in the 1936-1939 Revolt and in the 1947-1948 war against the Yishuv, referred to the Palestinian National movement as "the holy national jihad movement." The following year, in July 1937, those who supported the British Peel Commission recommendations--to partition Palestine into Arab and Jewish states--were denounced as heretics, whereas those destroying Jewish property would be declared saints.

      Ideologically, it is only a short leap from these utterances to those of the Hamas .. It would appear that the secularism of Fatah, the political party led by Yasir Arafat that dominated the Palestinian national movement from the 1960s until the turn of the century, was a cultural aberration, something of an illusion, an ideological patina in part adopted by Palestinian intellectuals and politicians to win over hearts and minds in the largely secular West. And yet, when looking at footage of Arafat on his knees in a mosque at prayer, five times a day, day in, day out, and of Fatah suicide bombers on their way to destroy a bus or restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv declaiming the certainty of meeting up with virgins in paradise, one may be permitted to conclude that the secular declarations of the 1980s and 1990s were mere window dressing, and did not really reflect the spirit of Palestinian politics. And no sooner had the grand old man of Palestinian politics departed the scene than Hamas won the first--and free--Palestinian general elections in which it participated.

      Cohen indirectly establishes a particular connection between collaboration and the nature of Palestinian nationalism, though he does not explicitly dwell on the matter.

      The Tangled Truth | The New Republic

      There are portions of the Morris article that are not flattering to the Zionists. The text I'm quoting pertains specifically to the thesis of the present article by Ahmed Moor.

  • Why Charlie Hebdo offends me
    • Hello Hicham Tiflati. I have some remarks.

      Charlie Hebdo believes that freedom of expression should have no limits ..

      Maurice Sinet, a former cartoonist at the magazine, was dismissed for..

      So, they do in fact believe in limits. Everyone (maybe excepting a few crank libertarians) accepts some notion of limits. We don't argue about allowing sex-with-cadaver magazines at the supermarket (though there would be buyers).

      There's no hypocrisy. There's editors making choices, which happens everywhere, every day.

      These editors chose a lot of "poke the fundamentalist Muslims", and they also chose a good amount of "poke the Orthodox Jews" and "poke the Zionists", all very well documented.

      In one instance, they rejected "poke a high born political prince for marrying Jewish money". A choice.

      Sinet .. was accused of being anti-Semitic

      As i wrote on a different thread:

      .. 1982 radio interview, shortly after a terrorist attack on Jews in central Paris, in which the cartoonist said: 'Yes, I am anti-Semitic and I am not scared to admit it... I want all Jews to live in fear, unless they are pro-Palestinian. Let them die.' Siné later apologised.

      " ' Anti-Semitic' satire divides liberal Paris"

      If any Charlie Hebdo writer ever said or wrote something resembling:

      Yes, I am anti-Muslim and I am not scared to admit it... I want all Muslims to live in fear, unless they are pro-Enlightenment. Let them die.

      .. even if they later apologized, we probably would have heard about it.

      -- (back to your article)

      Being critical means targeting everyone. Satire means touching everyone’s sensitive spot.

      You can't possibly believe this. Take it back, quick!

      .. the right to ban shows of Dieudonné M’bala ..

      Muslims and Jews walk French streets as minorities knowing that some around them were active, willing participants in acts of physical destruction of members of those minority communities. Were any entertainer to include as part of his show sweaty, leering, jeering suggestive comments that accounts of the organized killing that took place in Algeria or Morocco in living memory, were -- ha-ha, hee-hee -- contrived or overblown, comments intended for the delight of frustrated, disaffected young people, the French authorities, I believe, wouldn't have it.

      .. I am confused about where we draw the line between free speech and hate speech ..

      It's not a small topic, but here's one starting point.

      "Your worldview is wonky because x. Your political claims are groundless because y. Your policies will be counter-productive because z. You are foolish. You are dishonest." ==> Free speech

      "The killing of your relatives is deliciously amusing. By mere virtue of birth into your ethnic or religious community, you are loathsome." ==> Hate speech.

      .. and, more importantly, who draws such limits

      Those who govern. In lands with consent of the governed, this can be very unsatisfactory. The alternatives are worse.

      I am offended because I believe that [Ahmed Merabat] deserves the same attention as the ones whom he died defending.

      I did see articles specifically about him, and video in which his brother-in-law spoke about him.

      After a planned, well-orchestrated group killing, I don't think it's tenable that "we" (media producers and consumers) think/feel about the cop who had the shitty luck of being in the way at the time and the intended vicitims in quite the same way. What differences would have relieved your being offended?

      And finally, I am offended because I believe that all kinds of terrorism should be condemned and dealt with, including the killings of people by drone attacks in Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, etc., not just the crimes being committed by brown people

      Do you think the targets of this recent action, satirists and random Jewish grocery store shoppers (as opposed to military targets, like soldiers, or aircraft or munitions manufacturing, storage or service facilities, among other possibilities) were chosen by the planners mainly to dissuade Western powers from continuing their actions in brown people lands? I don't think that's likely. Demoralizing the citizenry is likely one objective, but more importantly, in my view, is a desire to inflame the west to more aggressive and costly action -- the hunting and killing of more brown people -- thereby eliciting even greater enthusiasm among brown people both in the west as well as in brown people lands, to adopt the jihadist Al-Qaeda ideology, an ideology whose stated goal is the destruction of the west under an emergent caliphate. I think the planners want more and more brown people to actively support that ideology, through militancy or by apologetics & propaganda work.

  • It's not the cartoons-- a contrarian perspective from a Muslim cartoonist
    • From your question it's clear you're ducking my point.

    • Der Sturmer, through cartoons and text: You Jews are, by virtue of race, filthy vermin. Whether half-Jews, atheists, converts to Christianity.. no matter.. same disgusting race. You stab us in the back in time of war. You rob from us by corrupt business practice. You despoil our people with your vile culture. We will free ourselves of you..

      Charlie Hebdo, through cartoons and text: You, the aggressive, conservative Muslims, from the blackest Somali to the whitest European convert, are.. loopy. You expect us to gingerly tiptoe around your gargantuan sense of your own authority. You demand that we sit quietly in the face of your outlandish bluster about supreme authority derived from ancient texts. And you do so here, in our ancestral lands, where we carry deep memory of power-mad ecclesiastics and the long fight to bring them down. You whip up hysteria among your uneducated, promising a great caliphate to dominate us. Well, listen up: we want to liberate your own youth from.. you, to better enable them to emerge as full participants in our imperfect, wealthy but unequal, non-violently competitive, boozy and lusty civilization. And, holding to the notion that such a thing is possible, we mock, in addition to you, those among our own who would say to you, "We will free ourselves of you.."

    • .. 1982 radio interview, shortly after a terrorist attack on Jews in central Paris, in which the cartoonist said: 'Yes, I am anti-Semitic and I am not scared to admit it... I want all Jews to live in fear, unless they are pro-Palestinian. Let them die.' Siné later apologised.

      " ' Anti-Semitic' satire divides liberal Paris"

      If any Charlie Hebdo writer ever said or wrote something resembling:

      Yes, I am anti-Muslim and I am not scared to admit it... I want all Muslims to live in fear, unless they are pro-Enlightenment. Let them die.

      .. even if they later apologized, we probably would have heard about it.

  • How Salaita’s critics have distorted the Salaita report
    • The proliferation of pro-Palestinian faculty, tenured and otherwise, on campuses across the country seems to vitiate the theory that pro-Israel donors could derail faculty hirings even if they wanted to.

      Yeah, as I wrote elsewhere back in September, while I’m not sure if Prof. Salaita got his first tenured position before or after releasing his book Israel’s Dead Soul, he most certainly advanced through the many preliminary stages of the hiring process at UIUC well afterwards. Somehow this all slipped under the penetrating radar of The Lobby.

      It appears that a lot of people have little trouble believing, “They’re everywhere, they’re connected, they’re rich and they’re powerful” simultaneous with “They failed to suppress a known belligerent early and quietly in a hiring process, and subsequently launched a suppressive action at a time and in a manner that resulted in a major backlash.” Now, both might be true, but, to believe that they’re both likely takes a fair bit of conjuring.

      Hey AIPAC / Jewish Lobby: all of a sudden maintaining lists is hard? There are these courses in data management you can take, y'know.

    • .. the adult prime suspect [Ben-David] had once attempted to kill his own infant daughter.

      Court documents showed that the suspect confessed to trying to strangle the girl and was only prevented from achieving his aim when his wife walked in on him during the attempt, he said in a confession to police at the time.

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/suspects-hit-abu-khdeir-with-a-tire-iron-before-burning-him/

      Ben-David lived in Har Nof (http://forward.com/articles/202895/suspect-in-abu-khdeir-killing-claims-to-be-the-mes/), West-J, inside the 1949 line.

      The J-Post quote above says the Khdeir murder was rooted in revenge for the three yeshiva students abducted and killed by Hamas operatives in June. That's true, but in excluding what is known of the ringleader's tendency to "go nuts" in a non-political context, it's quite misleading.

      There's been no suggestion that Ben-David is/was part of an aggressive settler, price-tag, sort of gang.

  • Israel lost the British elite after Gaza onslaught, UK ambassador says
    • Phil Weiss: a nationalist ideology that has a religious basis [..] the girl gangs in the streets of Jerusalem attacking Palestinians are the fruit of such an ideology

      Claims of unicausality in political history are nearly always untenable. (Or, going with your metaphor, for there to be fruit, many preconditions are required, a complex of constraints / range limits on seed, soil, light, temperature, disease, insects, and more.) In this specific case, I'll remind you that several European nations have "established" religions.

      Also:

      Arab Spring and the Israeli enemy
      Abdulateef Al-Mulhim
      Saturday 6 October 2012

      [..] The Arab-Israeli conflict is the most complicated conflict the world ever experienced. On the anniversary of the 1973 War between the Arab and the Israelis, many people in the Arab world are beginning to ask many questions about the past, present and the future with regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

      The questions now are: What was the real cost of these wars to the Arab world and its people. And the harder question that no Arab national wants to ask is: What was the real cost for not recognizing Israel in 1948 and why didn’t the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars? But, the hardest question that no Arab national wants to hear is whether Israel is the real enemy of the Arab world and the Arab people.

      I decided to write this article after I saw photos and reports about a starving child in Yemen, a burned ancient Aleppo souk in Syria, the under developed Sinai in Egypt, car bombs in Iraq and the destroyed buildings in Libya. The photos and the reports were shown on the Al-Arabiya network, which is the most watched and respected news outlet in the Middle East.

      [..]

      The real enemies of the Arab world are corruption, lack of good education, lack of good health care, lack of freedom, lack of respect for the human lives and finally, the Arab world had many dictators who used the Arab-Israeli conflict to suppress their own people.

      These dictators’ atrocities against their own people are far worse than all the full-scale Arab-Israeli wars.

      Abdulateef Al-Mulhim, Commodore, Royal Saudi Navy (Retired)

      http://www.arabnews.com/arab-spring-and-israeli-enemy

  • Despite attempted coverup, Israeli border policeman arrested for murder of Palestinian teen during Nakba Day protest
    • Those reports did not come out after the killings were revealed, just as you suggest. Indeed, they came out at a moment when those without inside knowledge couldn't know that a political act (as opposed to a purely criminal one) had taken place. Yet here was Hamas declaring heroism.

      Keeping in mind that the bodies were discovered on June 30, here is a Reuters report from Thursday, Aug 21 (article makes reference to Wednesday, the day before) :

      A top Hamas official said members of his militant group kidnapped three Israeli teenagers whose deaths in June provoked a spiral of violence that led to the war in Gaza, the first acknowledgement of the movement's involvement.

      Hamas, which controls Gaza, has up to now refused to confirm or deny Israeli accusations that it masterminded the abduction and killing of the three young men, one of them a joint U.S.-Israeli citizen, in Hebron.

      "There was much speculation about this operation, some said it was a conspiracy," Saleh al-Arouri told delegates at the International Union of Islamic Scholars in Istanbul on Wednesday, according to a recording of the meeting posted online by organizers.

      "The popular will was exercised throughout our occupied land, and culminated in the heroic operation by the Qassam Brigades in imprisoning the three settlers in Hebron," he said, referring to Hamas's armed wing.

      (my bold added.) http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-mideast-gaza-kidnapping-idUSKBN0GL0YQ20140821

      Allowing for the possibility of error in translation, I suppose Hamas official al-Arouri calls what his operatives did imprisoning to justify calling the action heroic.

      In any event, it remains to be seen whether the arrested Israeli Border Police officer will be called heroic by any prominent Israeli public figure for killing the Palestinian youth on Nakba Day. I'm not sure why Kay24 & amigo are so confident (or hopeful) on this matter; the murderers of Abu Khdeir were not praised.

    • Kay24:

      They seem to think these criminals are heroes, after all they killed Arabs.

      amigo:

      He will be a hero to all those most moral army boys and girls.

      From around June 15 (after teens abducted on 12th):

      In its first statement on the issue, Hamas praised the kidnapping but did not claim responsibility.
      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/israel-raids-hamas-kipdnapping-netanyahu

      --

      Mashal did not confirm that Hamas was behind the kidnapping, adding that "if there will be a confirmation that a Palestinian group is behind the kidnapping – we should applaud and take off our hats to them."

      In an interview with Al-Jazeera, Mashal said that he "blesses the hands of those who kidnapped them, since the Palestinian prisoners should be released from the Israeli prisons."
      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4533751,00.html

      --

      Hamas praised the kidnapping but did not claim responsibility. In a message sent to journalists, it referred to "the success of the kidnapping" and said that "the movement pays tribute to the heroes who are behind the kidnapping."
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-pm-accuses-hamas-of-kidnapping-3-missing-teens-1.2676182

  • 'Tip of the BDS iceberg': Kuwait excludes Veolia from $750m contract
    • I'd wonder whether this decision has much more to do with local circumstances -- bribes from competitors? skimming opportunities? -- than with sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians and solidarity with their cause.

      If the sympathy and solidarity are genuine, Kuwaiti elites have come a very long way:

      Before the 1990 crisis, some official sources estimated that Palestinians in Kuwait were about 400,000,[13] others estimated them to be about 450,000. [..] By 1995, there were only 26,000 Palestinians in Kuwait [..]

      The terror campaign after the war started as early as the arrival of the Kuwaiti forces on February 26, 1991. Kuwaiti militants were quoted saying that they would shoot suspected Palestinians when they found them in their apartments. Four main militia groups and two state institutions participated in a concerted effort to terrorize and persecute Palestinians in Kuwait. Two of the militias were headed by the state security officers Adel Al-Gallaf and Hussain Al-Dishti. The third was headed by Amin Al-Hindi, a gangster who specialized in rape, torture, stealing, and killing. The fourth was the group known as August 2nd, which specialized in psychological warfare against Palestinians. The army and the police forces represented the two state institutions that were involved in this terror campaign.

      ..

      The Crown Prince returned to Kuwait on March 4, 1991, ten days before the Emir. As the terror campaign increased, he became wary of the atrocities committed against innocent people. Therefore, he issued instructions to Kuwaiti police officers not to mistreat Palestinians on nationality basis only. Nevertheless, police centers became headquarters for the oppression and persecution of Palestinians in the country. On March 19, the government resigned under criticism of inefficiency.[41]

      Abdullah Al-Nibari, who was the spokesman of the opposition group "the Democratic Forum," called for the formation of a national-unity government that would include opposition leaders. Moreover, opposition groups called for the removal of the three senior figures of Al-Sabah family who held the portfolios of Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Interior ministries. These were Sabah Al-Ahmed, Ali Al-Khalifa, and Nawaf Al-Ahmed, respectively.[42]

      The three shaikhs were unhappy when they knew that they were not included in the new government that was formed on April 1991. In particular, Shaikh Sabah Al-Ahmed was the most outraged. Therefore, he backed the defiance of the Younger Sabahs for the Crown Prince. A new wave of terror started by the militias, the army, and the police against innocent Palestinians in an attempt to disturb the peace the Crown Prince was trying to restore. This provoked the Crown Prince to acknowledge the abuses in a speech aired on TV, on May 26, 1991.[43] He also vowed to prosecute anyone responsible even if he were his only son, Fahd.[44] He added that residents of Kuwait were living in the "shadow of terror, fear, and fright," and that certain elements were detaining residents of Kuwait and handing them over to police stations where they would be "tortured." He also urged the senior officers of the Ministry of Interior Affairs to "remove disillusioned and bad elements in the Ministry who do not want security and stability as much as they want fulfill their desires."[45]

      In defiance, a hysterical wave of persecution against Palestinians spread in the streets, neighborhoods, and homes, the following day. People were beaten, harassed, and taken to police centers to be tortured without any reason other than being Palestinians.[46] Moreover, majority of senior police officers (about 80) presented their resignations, in protest to the Crown Prince's speech. The New York Times4[47] reported that they were fired. However, the biggest defiance to the Crown Prince's bid for peace and public order came from the Young Sabahs, known as the "goon squad."

      As early as March 5, 1991, Kuwaitis became aware of the existence of a group composed of members of Al-Sabah family whose aim was to punish and assassinate opponents, as Chairman of the Gulf Bank of Kuwait Abdul Aziz Sultan told the ABC-TV's "Nightline."[48] According to a Western diplomat, six or seven of the younger members of Al-Sabah family shortly after February 27 commandeered armored personnel carriers and took over army checkpoints to "ferret out and abuse Palestinians." They also formed goon squads to carry out special attacks.[49] Although their names were not published in the American media, the American Embassy in Kuwait gave the Crown Prince a list of them.[50] They were Jarrah, Du'aij Al-Salman, Nasser Al-Ahmed, Ahmed Fahd Al-Ahmed, and Fahd Sa'ad Al-Abdullah, the Crown Prince's son. In addition, Bassil Salem Sabah took over the Nugra Police Center in the largest Palestinian neighborhood.[51] Their militias kidnapped, tortured, and killed Palestinians indiscriminately, without trial or due process.[52]

      The Young Sabahs acted as vigilantes despite warnings from the Crown Prince that they would be hanged "from the lamp-posts" if they continued such acts. ......con't

      Palestinians in Kuwait: Terror and Ethnic Cleansing

  • Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?)
    • Both phrases use the passive tense.

      An alternate first phrase could start Islamists fire rockets at innocent Israelis

      An alternate second phrase could start Zionists murder Palestinian children in Gaza

      You can place these with the original phrases into a 2x2 choice matrix. Of the four available combinations, two provide incitement against an enemy. A third choice might be suitable for a message of "fanatical non-violence".

      The 4th, Obama's, is what you expect from a (purported peace-oriented) statesman.

      In making her specific complaint, a blah chick provides a glimpse into the working of an ideologized mind.

      If she'd quoted solely the second phrase, this would have provided a significantly superior hamasbara experience to many site readers.

  • Salaita firing turns into a 'catastrophe' for University of Illinois
    • One thing that is sorely absent in the campaign to overturn the UIUC Salaita decision is the employment of the very kind of speech that many in the American academy believe -- passionately -- to be acceptable, even laudable, from scholars.

      So, in addition to the all of the commentary about speech rights, encroachments by administrations and boards onto academic turf, employment policies, contract law, activist strategy and so on, to really establish the protection, and moreover, the advancement, of the emerging public intellectual paradigm, the campaign must include issuance of continuous short bursts of public statements like the following:


      I hate waking up only to realize that the UIUC Board of Trustees still exists.

      While Salaita’s future hangs in the balance, the UIUC BoT are engaged in protracted struggle over who can buy the biggest yacht.

      The UIUC spokesperson receives money to justify, conceal, and glamorize the firing of professors. Goebbels much?

      Supporting UIUC puts you in company of Republicans with sexual fantasies about killing Muslims. Enjoy your new buddies, employment contract literalists.

      I don’t give two fucks what the “UIUC” policy says. The BoT ALREADY destroyed academic freedom and is destroying Salaita right now.

      Chancellor Wise fires tenured hires and blames it on her Board. Psychiatry hasn’t yet accounted for this sort of derangement.

      The trustees dislike it when people call UIUC devoid of integrity. It must really anger them when somebody describes water as translucent.

      Instead of whining–which, to be fair, is Chancellor Wise’s oxygen–trustees should be glad I called them “trolls,” the kindest word I can muster.

      Do you have to visit your physician for prolonged erections when you see pictures of fired professors from UIUC?

      What do you say to the children of the professors you have fired?

      The logic of “contract law denialism” deployed by UIUC, if applied in principle, would make pretty much everybody not a sociopath a “contract law denialist.”

      The above pseudo-tweets are based on a selection (approx. one half) of Steven Salaita's tweets of the single day July 16.

  • 'Common Dreams' website traps Hasbara troll spewing anti-Semitism
    • Steve Macklevore @ August 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm:

      In over three decades of pro Palestinian activism, I’ve never heard a anti-semitic comment. Indeed the vast majority of Palestinian supporters bend over backwards to ensure that there is no hint of anti-Semitism in their work or discussions.

      Never heard? Or gone out of your way to ensure you haven't? Give a watch. You only need to watch from about 0:55 for about 1 minute, especially the 10 secs or so starting at 1:26.

      I know MEMRI has an agenda, and does not represent the entire Muslim world, etc. I also know they've been criticized for mistranslation & selective editing -- back in 2004. I've found very little in the way of compelling debunking of any of their work in recent years.

      That public meeting -- in Sydney, Australia -- looks to me to be an actual thing in the world. How can such things not inform your view of the world?

  • Top legal scholars decry 'chilling' effect of dehiring scholar Salaita
    • Corey Robin, satirizing Nelson:

      In other words, the more ignorant and ill-informed your speech, the more it is protected by academic freedom.

      How about: the more knowledgeable and deeply informed an academic is about Isr-Pal, the less tolerance we should have for his spewing, in public, boilerplate 1964-era rejectionist talking points, sexed up with the style of hip, entitled youth?

  • The Combined Jewish Appeal's deep complicity in Israeli crimes
    • They disingenuously and absurdly contend that Israel is “fighting against the Palestinian shackles of international Islamism ..

      Support for sharia as the official law of the land among Muslims is 89% in the Palestinian territories (compare to 29% for Lebanon, 56% for Tunisia).

      Among those who support sharia as the official law of the land, support for its application to non-Muslims is 44% in Pal, thus, .44 x .89 = 39% of all Pal Muslims; compare to Lebanon at (.48 x .29 =) 14% and Tunisia at (.40 x .56 =) 22%.

      Among those who support sharia as the official law of the land, support for the death penalty for leaving Islam is 66% in Pal, thus, .66 x .89 = 59% of all Pal Muslims; compare to Lebanon at (.46 x .29 =) 13% and Tunisia at (.29 x .56 =) 16%.

      You'll also find the Pal numbers are fairly close to those of Jordan and Egypt. A feature of the neighborhood? Caused by Zionism?

      Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

      I have some trouble believing these numbers myself, mainly because in much of the video I've seen of interviews with Pals, or even of Pal demonstrations, I just don't observe the same "vibe" seen during MB demos in Egypt before last year's coup, or even many street demos in England. The "hobby sociologist" in me is at odds with the PEW numbers.

      I take it the MW stance is that those numbers can't possibly matter. The numbers do matter.

  • New J Street platform parrots Likud as membership continues to shift left
    • I erred.

      Of course, I meant "disingenuousness", which is a heck of a lot syllables. I might have gone for "dishonesty", but I have trouble discerning willful lying from good old fashioned motivated reasoning.

    • 1. Ron Smith's 1st para after the bullets includes:

      To suggest that the most important demand is to protect the “security needs of Israel” is at best hypocritical, and perhaps sociopathic.

      (my bold)

      Interestingly, in the linked J Street page, the word "important" occurs in the body exactly once. It's in:

      [The IDF] cannot defeat Hamas’ ideology – or more importantly the Palestinian quest for freedom – without an incomprehensible level of death and destruction.

      The ingenuousness of Ron Smith being now fully apparent, I stopped reading. (I did appreciate that the dishonesty appeared so early on grounds of time efficiency.)

      --

      2. That both J Street and Mondoweiss can so blithely downplay Hamas’ loathsome ideology is evidence of a philosophical tolerance for civilization destroying over civilization building worldviews. I myself am unable to maintain such a low opinion of the capacity of the Palestinian Arab mind -- I've seen far too much counter-evidence to pull it off.

      But even if we pretend that talking like Boko Haram (or AQ or IS, etc.) doesn't imply wanting to behave thusly, MW embraces a rejectionist position that national security elites of Jordan and Egypt (and other Arab nations) have long ago not only rejected (on blogs and at cocktail parties), but have demonstrated a willingness to spend blood to suppress.

      MW's astonishing political denialism mirrors the political denialism that The Gatekeepers robustly decried as predominating in their homeland.

  • Hundreds of scholars say they won't engage with University of Illinois unless decision to block Salaita is reversed
    • Steven Salaita = Caroline Glick

      Escalate! Escalate! Escalate!

      Many more dead babies on the way.

    • To get perspective on Salaita, make a few simple substitutions to his public statements:

      “At this point, if Cheney appeared on TV with a necklace made from the teeth of Iraqi children, would anybody be surprised?"

      “Hamas, take responsibility: if your dream of a theocratic Palestine is worth the murder of children, just fucking own it already.”

      "Note how the Germanic soul was pure and uncorrupted until it encountered Poles. Same old colonial discourse, different geography."

      What do these all demonstrate? Deep complacency about reducing complex human affairs to cartoons; embracing a single narrative whole-hog; hipsterish, sanctimonious showboating.

      These are not desirable qualities for the university classroom.

      Amazingly, here's part of his actual, verbatim "Pinned Tweet": "it's better to teach than to berate or shame."

      That's a fine slogan, but I don't see much evidence that Salaita has the slightest notion of what it means to engage with someone who doesn't already share his deeply held biases.

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