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There's chutzpah in a convicted terrorist being able to write his daughter.
Thousands of Israeli Jewish families will never see their loved ones again, to write them letters, speak to them or comfort them.
This is beyond obscene and what he is demanding is not human dignity but alleviation of his just punishment.
What he has now is more than the choice he offered his victims.
No one has the right to enter a sovereign country without its permission. A country may with hold permission to enter for no stated reason. That is Israel's right under international law and also under its domestic law, with which airlines are required to comply.
Anti-Israel activists are not coming to Israel to make friends with the country but to pursue hostile activities against it. The Jewish people have the right to decide who their guests are. Enemies of the Jewish State will not be welcome in their country, period.
There are certain restrictions on movement and freedom of association but they all have to do with decades of Arab terrorism against Israel. Lifting them depends on the end of the preaching of hatred, incitement and violence on the the other side. The Arabs are not prepared to make peace with Israel today and as long as that remains in the case, certain reasonable limitations on their freedoms will remain in force and it has nothing to do with any Israeli desire to oppress them.
Israel does not have a written constitution but then neither do the UK nor New Zealand. There is no need to rush having one and every free society on earth has evolved based on its own national history and unique set of circumstances. And as long as the entire Jewish people are not in Israel, it would not be appropriate to adopt a single law to govern them for all time. The Jewish State has functioned exactly as intended. Its the richest, freest and most progressive country in the Middle East. This is a country liberal people should be willing to support. True, its far from being the ideal in some respects but I challenge any one to show me one country on earth that has reached a nebulous standard of perfection. Judged by any realistic criteria, Israel is a success story that has rightly caught the human imagination.
There is nothing humane or dignified about starving oneself to death. It will not change Israeli policy. Islamic Jihad is a banned terrorist group. Israel will continue to detain suspects who constitute a threat to the public safety or state security as long as the circumstances require it. Every democratic country practices administrative detention. It is not always always possible or practical to put a suspected offender on trial. He must be locked up when that is necessary to protect the lives of others. And this is not a procedure abused by Israel and it has more safeguards than than that provided for example in US law. Israel faces a daily terrorist threat that simply put, is not going to disappear in our lifetime. That is why administrative detention will remain part of Israeli law.
Israel hasn't occupied Gaza since 2005.
The blame for the plight of its inhabitants rests with the Hamas regime.
Destroying Israel is a greater priority for it than assuring its people have a normal existence.
And benefits of the Arab Spring have not reached the Palestinian Arabs.
Hannah Arendt's fears have proven by the passage of time to be misplaced.
Israel is a healthy and vibrant democracy with a strong civil society, growing economy and confidence about its future.
Its neighbors in contrast are societies sundered by fanaticism, the lack of pluralism, economies on life support or on the verge of collapse and pessimism about the future.
The Zionist experiment succeeded against all the odds. Arab nationalism is dead and the Islamists waiting in the wings to takeover promise only more repression, demagoguery and distraction from the Arab condition.
Israel is not yet a Sparta and American Jews see no reason to abandon their support of the Middle East's only democracy.
I thought the ads were well done. Assimilation won't preserve the Jewish identity. Within a generation or two , today's liberal Jews will be extinct. The few Jews left will be Orthodox and nearly all of the world's Jews will be living in Israel. We're seeing the Jewish Diaspora come to an end for a variety of reasons. As for loving Israel, liberal Jews loved Israel only when Israelis all lived on the kibbutz and now that they no longer do, they don't feel comfortable loving Jews who are different from them. True love means accepting others for who they are and such a love is not only for a season but for all time.
Israelis don't feel guilty because they consider the price of establishing the state acceptable. And they are bemused by criticism from countries that wiped out native peoples to make way for the newcomers. Israel may be the only country on earth to which Arabs willingly sold land to Jews to allow them to create their own state. It would be more accurate to say the Jews did not force themselves on the Arabs, who fled rather than share the country with the Jews. The problem is not Zionist thinking, its Arab thinking that sees the conflict with Israel in terms of a zero sum solution. And as long as the Arabs think in this way, there will be no two state solution and no peace.
Leftists fail to see reality. An ill wind is blowing now through the Middle East. The promise of freedom of the Arab Spring is being consumed by the totalitarian nightmare of the coming Arab Winter. Islamist totalitarianism is taking over one country after another like Communism took over Eastern Europe after World War II. Slowly and surely, we're watching a vast Black Curtain descend over a continent, dooming it to decades of poverty, intolerance, strife and fanaticism. This is not 1989 in Europe but the exact opposite. The Arab World intends to be the exception to the spirit of freedom, equality and openness that swept over the rest of the planet. Edmund Burke warned us that violent revolutions unchecked in their temperament and zeal, lead to worst kind of despotism, the most horrid and repugnant spirit of repression seen among men. We must resolutely reject and refuse to embrace that portentous development which threatens our lives, freedom and all that we hold dear to us. Our principles are not for sale.
The Left is not supporting democrats. Its supporting totalitarian Islamists. Given this reality, an army takeover is the least worst of all the bad options.
Those Arabs every one lauds as a model of co-existence massacred their Jewish neighbors a lifetime ago. Hebron is one of the oldest Jewish cities in the world. It was the first capital of Israel under King David. And as the Bible rightly notes, Abraham insisted on buying the Cave Of Machepelah because he wanted to leave no doubt who owned it. It still belongs to the Jewish people and the Arabs have no right to it. They conquered it and then for several hundred years forbade Jews from going beyond the seventh step of the entrance to their ancestors' tombs. This is a situation that must never be allowed to happen again - and the only way to return the Cave Abraham bought for his wife to the Jewish people is to make Hebron a Jewish city - in fact as well as in name.
Nice piece of desperate spin Norman, but you’re completely off mark. You cannot have apartheid without colonialism, because ultimately, apartheid requires racist segregation and rule by colonists over indigenous people.
The Jews are an indigenous people. In the absence of colonialism, there can be no apartheid.
Israel has mandated that the Jewish religion is the national identity.
The Jewish people are more than the sum of their religion. You present a reductionist argument. Zionists have never claimed Israel is the homeland of the Jewish faith.
The few token exceptions in Israel does not change the fact the Israel is an apartheid state. There is only freedom for 50% of those living under Israeli rule, which is applied by sheer military force.
Arabs in Israel have the right to vote, to own property, to worship and to travel freely. Rights that only exist theoretically in the Arab World.
What’s more, is that during the Arab Spring, it was openly revealed that Israel relies on those dictatorships you deride to maintain the status quo. That makes Israel not only worse than the lot of them, but a clear reason for why those dictatorships even exist.
Again, Israel has not interfered in the right of Arab peoples to chart their own destiny. This makes Israel far better than the lot of Arab dictatorships, that have used hatred of the Jewish State as a diversion from their own illegitimacy and failure to develop their own societies for the benefit of their own people.
The vast majority of Israel's Jews have lived in the Middle East for centuries. They have come home and what happened was a population exchange. There have been countless instances of them throughout history.
Ah yes.... if only that was true about Zionism! The Syrian regime mows down unarmed protesters every day of the week. That is what Arab nationalism has turned Arabs into - people who mass murder their own people.
Zionism has never made the Jewish people do anything like that to their own people!
And you have the chutzpah to talk about pogroms!
Sylvia Schwarz never mentions the real apartheid regimes in the Middle East are Arab countries that privilege Arabs over non-Arabs and which mandate Islam as the state religion. No non-Arab can become a citizen of an Arab country. Freedom of religion is non-existent in the Arab World.
In contrast, Israel's naturalization law is liberal in that non-Jews can become Israeli citizens. The Jewish State moreover is history's affirmative action answer to millenia of homeless, dispossession and genocide. Yes, Jews are privileged in Israel but this is to correct past discrimination and persecution and such preferences are allowed under international law.
Finally, Israel is the only free country in the Middle East. Its neighbors are all governed by dictatorships of one stripe or another - including the Palestinians who are ruled by unelected autocracies. That is already a moral and factual difference.
History will judge the Jewish State quite favorably.
A Jew bought the land from the Israeli government. After complying with the laws of the land, its his property to do with as he wants and Hillary Clinton has no say in its disposition.
As for the Mufti Husseini, he was an ally of Hitler. From where he is sitting now in hell, he is getting his richly deserved comeuppance to see Jews living on what once was his property. Such is history coming full circle!
Heh
Nothing about the Mufti's Nazi connections, his siding in a rebellion against the British and the great harm he did to the Arabs by opposing a reconciliation of the two communities.
May he burn in hell. And oh yes, Jews living on his former property is the ultimate triumph of good people over a very evil man who tried and failed to exterminate them in their own country!
A biased report from a kangaroo court that condemned Israel in advance and made no pretense of an impartial fact-finding.
The truth is when IDF soldiers were attacked, the occupants of the Mavi Marmara lost their status as non-combatants. Their resistance was put down with force. This is legitimate under international law and no other army in the world would have reacted any differently.
Those who seek to beat and kill Jews deserve what they get. And the days when Jews could be beaten and killed with impunity are never going to return again whether the UN likes it or not.
Deal with it!
Palestinian intransigence, violence and terrorism is never discussed by their supporters. They don't want a two state solution. They want to destroy Israel and kill every Jew living there. Any one who denies this is blind to reality. Israel is not a perfect country. But it is an oasis of freedom, progress and enlightenment compared to the savage, ossified and reactionary societies in its neighborhood. Zionism has done a lot of good for the Jews. Israel has made impressive strides in 62 years and with real peace, its development would be even more rapid. But those who hate the country are unwilling to acknowledge it has good people who just want to live like people in other countries around the world do.
Philip leaves out the real reason for the Arab majority in the eastern part of Jerusalem - the Jews were ethnically cleansed from that part of the city when the Jordanians ruled it from 1948 to 1967, erasing every trace that Jews had ever lived there. Much has been done to redress the demographic imbalance. Much more remains to be done to allow Jews to live in all parts of their capital. And it bears reminder the city has had a Jewish majority since the mid 19th Century.
There is no collective right of return in international law. There is only an individual right and even that is conditioned on state sovereignty and meeting various requirements for entry. No country allows any one an unlimited right to enter and stay in it. And since the Palestinians are not Israeli nationals, they do not even have an individual right to return to a country of which they are not by their own consent, nationals there.
There is no contradiction between Zionism and democracy. As a state with a Jewish majority, it has resolved to implement policies that empower Jews - which after all is what any nationalism does for its people. The anti-Zionists overlook the fact that every Arab state in existence is an ethnocracy defined both by ethnic identification - citizenship and nationality are Arab and religion - virtually all Arabs are Muslim. None of these ethnocratic regimes, unlike Israel - are democratic. So Arab nationalism is legitimate but Jewish nationalism is illegitimate. And the irony is compounded by the fact all the Arab states are even more colonial creations than Israel which at least had a basis in international law that acknowledged a long-standing Jewish right of national self-determination in what eventually became Israel. So Zionism is not really an exception to how the various peoples in the Middle East live; it is organically part of the rule.
Then what is goose for the Arabs is equally gander for the Jews as well.
There is no collective right in international law to return to a country... and secondly millions of Palestinian Arabs are denied by their own leaders basic individual rights: to decide to return to Palestine, to settle in an Arab country as full citizens where they already live or to accept compensation if they have no interest in returning. The Palestinian Arab leaders colluding with Arab countries in the oppression and discrimination of Palestinians is the most shameful event in Arab history. History will not forgive them.
Noam Chomsky is a Jewish anti-Semite. As a sovereign nation, Israel has every right to keep Jewish fellow travelers of Arab fascism out of the country. I unreservedly endorse Israel's decision.
Its not about fear of ideas. Every country has the right to refuse any one entry. And you didn't really think Israel would admit an open enemy inside its borders, did you? He does not have the right to express views that are harmful to true peace in the region. That among other things, was reason enough to refuse him entry. Those who truly want a two state solution should welcome Chomsky's exclusion.
Chomsky supported Cambodia's Khmer Rouge. He supported Iran's Khomeinists. And he supports Arab and Iranian fascists who seek Israel's destruction. He is a clear and present danger to Israel's security. He should never be welcome in the Jewish State.
Yep. Its all Israel's fault. As Efraim Karsh documented, the Arab leaders themselves inflicted the catastrophe on the Palestinians. Barghouthi is not being honest when he refuses to hold the leaders of his people responsible for their misery and enforced statelessness to this very day. It is not Israel that is standing in the way of a two state solution.
Funny when you consider gays are routinely persecuted in "Palestine" and around the Arab World and Iran.
Why again is the progressive Left defending homophobic Arab fascists?
The New York Times didn't grant Israel Jerusalem. Its a Jewish city and the vast majority of its residents are Jews. Philip Weiss doesn't like that inconvenient fact. Well Jerusalem will remain the united and eternal capital of Israel, no matter what he says.
Bevakasha Yom Yerushalim!
The same international standards that condemn Israel for exercising its right of self defense, that turns a blind eye to the Iranian nuclear threat and that overlooks human rights abuses in all the Middle Eastern dictatorships.
THOSE international standards.
Treason is always noble - when its something that you're in favor of. But its still treason, all the same.
Israel was no more and no less involved with apartheid South Africa than the Western-ruled countries were. To be sure, the white regime was a problem but its worst aspects could be overlooked to contain a far greater evil - Soviet Communism. When the Evil Empire fell, South Africa's strategic importance to the West went right along with it.
Richard Goldstone voluntarily chose to be a servant of the apartheid machine. He didn't have to. But the Israel-bashing crowd is willing to forgive just about any wrongdoing as long as the guy is own their side. Just keep on changing the subject, folks - and incidentally the Middle East is full of apartheid regimes that have not a single Jew living in them - and on that there is silence.
The Israel-hating crowd just can't stand the life-saving advances in medical care and new drugs Israelis have made to save millions of lives around the world.
Pathetic.
Post-modern anti-Semitism is about denying the national rights of the Jewish people. Anti-Zionism is a form of anti-Semitism because it attacks the Jews alone for having aspirations to their own country like every other people on earth. No one questions Poland's, America's or India's right to exist. The attack on the nationhood of a people is reserved exclusively for the Jewish people alone.
Israel is negotiating now on a two-state solution with America as a mediator because the Palestinians refuse to talk directly with Israel. The real obstacle is the Palestinians' rejectionism in refusing to accept the legitimacy of Zionism. Should that ever happen, peace will finally come to the Middle East. I don't bet on that happening in my lifetime.
Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism. To hate national rights for the Jews, is to hate Jews, period. To pretend otherwise is just sophistry and that is an insult to the intelligence.
I can see why Weiss is defender of Arab fascism - societies in which Jew hatred is mainstream, in which there no democratic elections and freedom of the press, let alone equality for minorities and women. The piece is just throughly dishonest and I might add the Arabs have contributed nothing of note to civilization, unless its rampant Judeophobia, flying planes into buildings and of course the oil. And let's recall here for the umpteenth time that Israel publishes more books in a year than are published in the entire Arab World in a decade. Facts are stubborn things and all this needs to be placed on the record to have a throughly honest discussion about the Middle East.
Its hilarious how the Left evades Goldstone's apartheid record. They're in the position of a defending a man who served a vile regime because it furthered his career. Of course, the fact he bashed Israel in his report, has allowed them to forgive him his past.
How people like him - and those who defend him today can sit in judgment of Israel just leaves one shaking one's head.
Israel had good reason to refuse to cooperate with him and his panel and that reason has now been more than justified.
I am outraged and deeply offended by this perversion of Jewish history to justify an inappropriate comparison of Israel as a Nazi-like state. It is just in bad taste. Israel's acts of self defense against Arab fascist terrorism and mass murder of Jews do not even come close to what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. Its says a lot about the character of the editors who run this website that they allowed this drivel of Holocaust Denial to be posted - and another form of Holocaust Denial is denying the uniqueness of Jewish suffering and torment during the Second World War.
You do know they've been convicted of terrorism and murder. Out of 3 million Arabs, doesn't sound like Israel - is even by your figures - keeping an entire nation in prison.
Interesting. In most countries, the regime's critics just disappear. In Israel, the worst they face is an ordeal at a police station and they're released alive and unharmed to tell the tale.
"Ethnic cleansing" of Jerusalem never bothered the world and the Left when the Jordanians drove every last Jew out of Jerusalem, demolished every synagogue in it, forbade Jews from acquiring property in the city, desecrated Jewish graves and the Kotel and forbade Jews from visiting their holy site. The world was not concerned then about such "racist" practices. It is only roused to fury by Israeli efforts to redress the racist and illegal Jordanian policies of oppression, exclusion, discrimination and desecration of Jerusalem.
Blind support for Israel? LMAO! Its nothing like quite the blind support for Arab dictators and Islamic fascists.
The Left's idea of freedom of speech is to disinvite speakers whose views its disapproves of and if it can't them disinvited, to shout them down, harass them and keep them forcibly from getting their viewpoint across. This is is Leftist tolerance in its true form.
The Red-Green alliance goosesteps in solidarity with the Hamas fascists!
Let's hear it for 7th century medieval Islamic rule in Gaza! And "Free Gaza" is replete with ironic overtones.
The Goldstone Report is a pack of lies written to absolve the aggressor and to punish the victim. It will never lead to to justice, to peace and to co-existence in the Middle East.
The Jews are so wicked that the Zionist lobby should have complete control over the minds of Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz. How did they escape the Elders' control?
Another one of life's mysteries...
The Hebrew Palestinian daily has like a 5% market share in Israel and people buy it less for its Far Leftist, Post-Zionist drivel than they do for "Makor Rishon," which by universal consent, is the best business section in Israel, let alone the entire Middle East.
Protecting a country's existence by your lights is extremist activity. The Shin Bet hasn't done to the Arabs what Russia's FSB did to the Chechens.
The Shin Bet is working hard to disrupt extremist activity in Israel. But Israel has yet to ban radical Islamist associations seeking the overthrow of the state.
This "giant elephant" the Left is defending are Islamist fascists who put women in burqas and have brought back crucifixion as a form of capital punishment.
Three cheers for the Left on Gaza. There are truth and consequences for their vocal support for Hamas.
Israel has the right to keep Islamist fascists out of the country. Entry into Israel is NOT an entitlement. I'm glad to see Prado exposed his true Jew-hating colors after being expelled back to Spain. 1492 has finally been avenged!
With Israel seeking to end the occupation, what is the point of BDS? If the Palestinians want a two state solution, they can have it today.
All they need to do is accept the right of the Jews to their own homeland and that a Jewish State is as legitimate as an Arab one.
The Shin Bet probably found terrorist connections so he was taken into custody on national security grounds. He won't be tortured or killed like happens to dissidents in Arab countries, Iran and Pakistan. Israel is by Middle Eastern standards, a humane society.
What sleazy is leftists on here defending a guy in the service of apartheid. And they have the chutzpah to accuse Israel of being an apartheid state!
Ihsan, we'll do that for you AFTER you Muslims open Mecca to the rest of the world.
Goldstein does remind me of the late Farah Fawcett. A dead ringer!
Chaos isn't familiar with Israel as the Start Up Nation. He sees only one side of Israeli strength. Israel publishes more books in a year than the Arab World does in a decade and it has a great lead in science, technology and culture. The rest of the Middle East lags far behind in ignorance and medieval obscurantism.
Zionism is Jewish nationalism. Its the first and yet imperfect attempt by the Jews to govern themselves in more than two millennia. For all their problems, they have succeeded. All their enemies have is impotent rage mixed with envy at the success of the Zionist experiment in Eretz Israel.
America has every right to assert its sovereignty and to control its borders. But for the Left, foreigners taking up residence in this country now amounts to entitlement rather than a privilege. Yes, I can see why it is outraged at Arizona's very modest law, which by the way, I absolutely do support. Its time America closed its borders to the foreign invasion that's changing America's culture and which is stealing jobs from hard-working Americans.
The bill under consideration has three objectives: 1) to require Israeli NGOs to disclose their funding, 2) to ensure they obey the laws of the country and 3) to prohibit them from undertaking any activity that could harm or discredit Israel or jeopardize its national security. In a democratic society, there are limits to freedom of association and freedom of speech. Israel's Far Leftists - who incidentally dominate these NGOs, must play by the same rules as all the other citizens of the state.
The raw sewage dumped off Gaza for one thing. One would like to see Western peace groups bash Israel less and try to get the Arabs to move from hatred of Israel to improving their own lives.
Incidentally, Israel treated the daughter of the Hamas Interior Minister in an Ashkelon hospital before allowing her to be transported to Jordan for treatment. One had pressed to think of a case in history where such mercy has been shown to an enemy.
Rachel is correct: Israel is a leader in Green technologies long before they became fashionable in the West: to name but a few: drip water irrigation, desalination and solar energy. All of which has improved the quality of life for millions of people around the world. And the care for G-d's things is found in the Torah and in Jewish tradition. I just thought I'd correct the record on here.
Like the Gaza Arabs who trashed the greenhouses left for them and proceeded to pollute their own coast and went into the business of building bombs and rockets. For some reason, the Left isn't exercised about Palestinian Arab lack of ecological awareness and a preference for things militarism over things Green.
If the Jews of British Mandate Palestine had been offered a state with temporary borders on just 60% of the territory, they would have accepted it. There is an irony in the Palestinians rejecting a state because the borders are not to their liking. The Jews in 1947 were in an even more disadvantageous position under the UN Partition Resolution which cut their infant state into three parts but they accepted it because that was the best deal they could get then. They were always willing to compromise on the theory that half a loaf was better than no loaf at all. In contrast, Palestinian Arab intransigence has always been their own worst enemy. That is why they have no state today and are unlikely to have one in the foreseeable future.
Oddly enough, the only country in the world that offered to terminate the Occupation immediately.... was Israel. Who turned that offer down? The Palestinians!
Jerry Haber isn't a Zionist. He is a post-Zionist, another shade of anti-Zionist who rejects self-determination for the Jewish people. The effort to transform Israel into a "state of all its citizens" is in fact a repudiation of the ideal of Jewish self-rule. Such post-Zionists are in favor of every nationalism in the world save the Jewish one.