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Oklahoma farmer
I'm a retired farmer and have written a play The Prison Called Gaza. Google it for a quick read (it's one act, short, fast, disturbing and cuts no slack for anyone, Hammas or Israel. I'll send anyone a hard copy if they'll give me their snail mail address.
Annie... my perusal of the net is limited but I've never seen this very worrisome prediction. Netanyahu and his group do not intend to settle with a one state or two state solution. Their goal is a Jewish-only country from the Mediteranian to the Jordan river. This "ultimate solution" will evict all Palestinians from Palestine. It includes those who now live in "Israel".
I believe Netanyahu's ultimate aim is a pure race in Palestine that won't be tainted with Palestinians.
How he does this is his secret but it surely appears to be his goal.
He knows there will be extreme anger in the US when he physically evicts Palestinians but he also knows there is nothing the US will do to prevent it. What really pushes him, right now, toward this goal, is the urgent need for him to do it while the US is still the ultimate single force in the world. He won't be able to when we share world power with one or two other nations.....and he surely won't be able when the US is in serious national decline.
I therefore believe what Netanyahu has done to the Palestinians so far, is but faint prelude to the horror he intends to inflict on them in the very near future.
It was well written and good, but too long.
In 1957 Mike W. went to LR to interview Faubus. I was in the LR medschool at the time, a hot bed of liberals of which I was one. I was so ashamed of Faubus and what he'd done to our state and was hoping for a slaughter by Wallace.
Well.....the longer the "ambush" went, the more apparent it was Wallace was out of his water. Maybe it was because Wallace was just getting started as a newsman or maybe he'd had a bad day, but Faubus, my most hated gov., tore Wallace from stem to stern.
You will notice, in the paens to Wallace there is nary a mention of his very first and one of his most important interviews, the one with Orville Faubus.
Now you know why.
They are squatters, not settlers.
Sometime in the near future there will be bumper stickers "Anti-Zionist since 2012"
And "Out of the closet" Anti-Zionist since 2012.
Confession time. I'm gentile...or is it goyim? But whatever... I never had a single antisemetic thought in my body from birth until.... Well...it was well after the '67 war. That war stood in my mind as a magnificent moment for Israel and Jews. In a vicarious way I identified with Jews.... It was easy then as I lived in Hot Springs Ark. and we had a healthy number of Jews and some of my best friends were Jews (cool it, now, forget your "some of my best friends" shit...and "they came to our house" crap cause they were good friends and did come to our house).
So. I identified with Jews and was pleased when some, because I made a few good financial moves, thought I was Jewish . Turned out it wasn't because I was smart....it was by accident.
So...anyway... All smoothed along,,,,,years passed and then I got on the net and began to read it with regularity during retirement. Horrors. That's all I can write is horrors. Horrors..... What were my heros doing? Surely the stuff coming across the computer screen was lies.
But it wasn't. I could not longer...can no longer...believe the US media. My precious Wall Street Journal has become a yellow rag. The Post? A fellow internest like me, K. without a search-for-the-truth bone in his body? The Times? What happened to Reston? Replaced by Freidman and Brooks?
I'm lost....and yet there are the occasional strong voices for humanity that tug me back to hope... Mondoweiss...Annie...Vilkomerson and many many others.
I can't beg you to forgive me for antisemeticism.... I am trying.... you must help me. You must help Israel. You must help Palestinians.
If things get too hot and you need a hideout.. come down to Oklahoma till things cool off. We've got a 24 hour WalMart and it's only 90 miles to Dallas... I mean, what more could you want?
Ooooops... Where's his package? "He" appears rather deficient in that "area".
"Christian Arabs never had it so good living in Israel"???
Proudzionist, you make all of us Palestinians.
Try to forget the content of this post and just look at the top picture. It's fabulous... A truely fantastic photo.
Um.......anyone know when the Cowboys play Washington today?
Shortly after the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, they came under Israeli control and dissapeared from public view for decades. I think Israel used that inexcuseably selfish secrecy to remove any and all references to Palestinians.. Why the heck else would Israel have kept them so secret for so long?
I was in Stockhom Saturday 4 weeks ago...first visit...one day...
Very nice city...clean..walkable..people tall as hell..all slender...polite..purposeful walkers..non smokers (xsmokers notice this)..all-in-all a gracious nation with gracious people.
I get home and Bingo! Sweden votes against admitting Plestine to UNESCO.
What the s..t???? What was the humongous clue I missed? What hint of evil did I not see? Where was it?
I want to go back and slap each and every one in the face and ask them what the hell were they thinking of?
NO NO NO... Not a single one of you has a hint as to what is really going on. Net and the Zionists have suddenly reaslized , all is about to go down the toilet for...and with....them..
Zionists do not trust O for a second term. Get that in your heads. Zionists absolutely don't trust him. They have a very very good reason.
Why? Why, when he's bent over backwards trying harder and harder trying to appease Netanyahu, but to no avail?
Here's why and this is what has Netanyahu and the Zionists scared to death.
Obama may turn 180 degrees against Neyanyahu and the Zionists the second he's reelected. He certainly should considering the way they have treated him (I'd give it a 70/30 chance)(nah...it's another 99% to 1% thingy).'
Got that?....the total refutation of Netanyahu and the Zs has them scared to death so they are going to go fully hard out against Obama from now to election time. Ross' resignation (the axe?) is just the first salvo. All Zionist guns will be spewing unrelenting venom against Obama from now till Nov election night.
Net and the Z's MUST defeat Obama. They have been treating him so savagely..... so now they will reap the harvest of their harassment if they don't defeat him.
Jews everywhere will be under greater and greater pressure to abandon Obama. The tribe knits closer and closer the greater the threat. Therefore they will be told it's the next Holocaust for sure and I'm afraid they will follow the Zionists and completely abandon Obama.
That, dear friends is what is really going on.... Prepare for pounding from now to election.
Ummmm.... It's difficult not to come to some impressions when you're down on Wall Street at closing time. There are an awful lot of long black coats, black hats, frilled shirts and curled locks that come out. And that's presumably just the ones that are hard subscribers to their faith.
I've read your book... Of course you're too modest to promote it but I will ...
ATTENTION! you net addicts... take time to read a book for a change......
Ms Olson may be from a rinky dink town in Eastern Oklahoma but she's made us Okies proud for her being a superb wordsmith. She wrote about her extended stays in Palestine.... Fast Times in Palestine. It's a book everyone should read, so contact her and she'll send you a signed book at modest cost...
That is excellent..... but it doesn't explain why most friends of mine here in Oklahoma would fit exactly in with the Israelis, if transported over there.
someone tell me why Holland voted against it
No gentile ever saw the scrolls until a couple years ago.
They were discovered around 1949 and held by another country for a short time...I think it was Jordan. Israel quickly acquired them and hid them from the world until a couple years ago. I was in highschool when they were found and sort'a followed their story while all the time wondering why the heck Israel would not share them with anyone. Only after getting on the net, did I begin to suspect why Israel was so selfish.
The obvious and only reason, to me, is Israel was taking it's time to erase any evidence Palestine was occupied by anything other than sand and the occasional wandering Jewish tribe. Perhaps proudzionist777 would like to offer another explanation (a logical explanation if you please).
To my utter dismay, my old man's Presbyterian Sunday School Class is 100% behind the Zionists and I no longer ever EVER suggest otherwise. It's a fighting issue with them.
Old Gentiles, as a rule, are like old Jews, they can never change their colors and those colors run blue and white with a Star of David thrown in.
THIS IS NOT FOR comment... but a suggestion.
No one adequately answered my query about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
One foolish person said they were held by gentiles until rescued and released by Jewish scholars...ha. Another thought they were spoils of the 6 day war...not so.
Could you find someone knowledgeable about this, and put her (his) report on Mondoweiss?
Gracias Oklahoma farmer
I think my comment may be called "out of context" but it's been bothering me.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were held in secret for decades by Israeli scholars.... rediculous of itself..with no explanation offered. Was it because the scholars wanted to censor the scrolls by erasing references to Palestinians...or is there another explanation?
Not only have I lost friends, it seems most of them become very angry enemies.
Mrs Abrams filth should be broadcast far and wide. Can you imagine being married to her?
I hope no one thinks I don't care about the Afghanis. I do.... Here is an email I sent 3 days ago to a friend that was so depressed about the Palestinian problem he had stopped following it on the net.
FROM:jerry hoyt to Hy... Message flagged Friday, October 7, 2011 6:16 AMMessage body
Your saying you've about given up on the Palestinians is just about the way I feel. I feel helpless, just totally helpless. It's as if nothing can ever be done for those poor people. No one listens over here...even trying to tell a neighbor can get you in trouble, if not in a fight. Ignorance over here in the US is just about complete. We're a bunch of cattle that have been told Israel over there is wonderful and the Palestinians are nothing but bloodthirsty beasts. And danged near most of us believe it as if it were written in the Bible....
In fact, it is written in the Bible isn't it?
We, you and I, are helpless. There isn't a damned thing we can do. Nothing.
So, why read about the Middle East? Why bother with it? All it does is just get us upset and make us feel even more helpless.
Crap Ben... JFK said "Life's not fair", but surely he didn't mean it was THAT unfair?
You know, you and I worry about our kids and grandkids and just hope and pray nothing serious happens to them. We hope they can get good jobs and raise their kids right, and not get divorces and are able to pay their bills and drive carefully. Such stuff bothers you and me and we worry ourselves some part of each day over just such worrisome things.
And yet, your worries and my worries are as nothing. I mean NOTHING when compared to what Palestinians face every single day and every single night. There is never a sure night they are going to be able to sleep all night and not worry about soldiers coming up to their door, knocking it down with battering rams, or even worse, blowing it to kingdom come with something far more powerful than dynamite. And coming in and ripping the place apart and injuring someone if not killing them. Or maybe worse than killing one of their family, hauling one, or several off to never ever see them again or even know what ever happens to them.
Consider your life, your wonderful life. Count your kids as the luckiest in the world. Every single day, thank the God you worship, that you and your loved ones live in the USA. Also pray to your God, that the good old USA somehow finds its way back to the wonderful country it used to be. Pray that our country doesn't continue down this path of godlessness of torture and wars for no reason and drones that rain unannounced death from so high in the sky you can't even see them.
I'm sorry Ben. I get discouraged too.... but we can't give up. We must work to find a way to turn this enormous ship, this enormously misguided ship, this ship, this USA, we must get it turned around and headed back home where the USA used to be admired and stood tall, and stoodd for something, for something sterling, something wonderful........ ...Where people used to look to our country for guidance and hope.
Our country back then stood for one thing above all...... kindness....
Don't give up on our country... We can't.... for our kids....for our grandkids...for their grandkids...and for the Palestinians of the world.
Ben....send this to your brother, the minister....and ask him if he has the courage to put it in his church bulletin. It would take courage.....but wouldn't his God be pleased with him if he did?
"And the number of Afghans dead? No one knows. No one knows."
Who the hell cares? Certainly not Washington.
I'd call it the Military-Industrial-Israeli Complex that got us into, and keeps us in Iraq, and now Afnam.
Surely, in the back of most Jew's minds is that Obama will be free to do what he wants about Israel if he gets a second term. Never facing another election means never being scared of AIPAC. A President free of AIPAC just might see the Palestinians' problems in a whole new light.
Face facts folks.... To avoid the dread veto, the US needs 5 votes for big boss, Israel.
Forever Guilty Country (otherwise known as Germany) is vote #1. 4 to go..
The UK is as under Israeli control as the US (by the way, what is AIPAC called in the UK? BIPAC? UKIPAC?) Count UK vote #2.
Three to go.
Gabon? Hell yes... Ever hear of a "true" African country that couldn't be bribed? Count Gabon #3
Nigeria? Another hell yes "true" African country. Count Nigeria #4
One to go.
Bosnia-Hertzagovia... Jeeeezzz who the heck can make sense of that mess? Let's go deeper.
Columbia? Well......uh...well.... who the f.... knows?
Portugal? No Israeli-USA help there.
Brazil? Nope.. Brazil is up and coming, not subject to US-Israel control.
So......Israel-US still needs one more vote....... Hillary can earn curls for her cojones here......
Well...........Poor poor Sarkozy. He's no flaming Zionist but he ain't no Phil Weiss either..... Can he forsake his tribe? And be Israeli-US' 5th vote?
What say you?
Of course O. will cave. Neti boy has complete control over O. because O's facing 2012. But if O. wins that election, he will never ever face another, and Israel will no longer have him mewling at their ankles. Guess what then? O. will have an epiphany, suddenly discovering Apartheid, and the myriad of other Israeli evils.
An American President without a modicum of Israeli control?
Hey, you undecided about who to vote for our next President. O. is the man! Or rather, he will be A MAN his second term. Till then, he's Netanyahu's pet puppy.
Phil... this excellent discussion exactly covers the thrust of
Entry 32: ‘The Prison Called Gaza,’ the only play in your Mondo Awards end-of-the year contest Jan 1, 1911
You will recall the grandmother, a devout peaceful Muslim, was pushed by the occupation, to putting on the suicide belt she so abhored.
read very carefully... ".....Lieberman said that the actual border would be the result of negotiations with Egypt, Jordan, and the PA".
Please someone.... why negotiate with Egypt and Jordan unless you have a really wicked plan?
Shouldn't you begin to face the possibility of an Israeli "ultimate solution"? The transfer of all Arabs out of Palestine?
MW... I'm like you....hope O., if he gets a second term, will sock it to Net. But am low scared he won't.
I mean..... let's face it.... O. hasn't shown guts yet.... but????
Remember? Jimmy Carter was years out of office before he began to act Presidential, and talked Apartheid.
But then, Carter folded like a cheap umbrella.
By the way.....is Carter still alive? I haven't heard anything from him since....
Gotta give him credit tho....his apartheid thingy showed spunk.
(momentary spunk)
Taxi... you are a marvel at writing. Short, exactly on target and cover all points perfectly-quickly.... I know inside, what you write is what I should do... but...there is a but.. But it's hard to change.
Ellen.. "..in the early days of the Zionist movement, most all Jews...rejected Zionism.. (as) crackpot(s).." but now? From my observations I'd say very few American Jews call Zionists "crackpot"... Most American Jews cave to them. And that is the core to my problem. Until American Jews absolutely distance themselves from Zionism, I will have trouble with feelings toward them.
Annie...my comment was serious. I rarely ever read comments at any web site but this MW thingy was interesting so I read them. I was surprised in that they were not just well written and interesting but quite civil. Civility is usually quickly lost in most comment sections no matter the site. I thought how all the respondents to my query were people that I'd like to know and would like for them to be my friends.
So, I waded in very briefly. Turns out, my post hit a tender spot and got good return.
Ordinarily I'm right to the point but this is a difficult thing.... I am racist and I am ashamed. That should not be me and yet here I am blaming a group of people for something only a few of them are guilty of. What has happened to me? You ask if as an Oklahoma farmer how many Jews I know... Well... Not too many at this time, but for years I was in another state in a rather cosmopolitan, small town with a disproportionately large number of Jews. I never saw antiSemeticism in that town... I was in business and more than once, non Jews thought I was a Jew. My friends knew I wasn't but when mistaken for a Jew I felt a silly, undeserved pride.
Really Annie...it pleased me when someone respected my business ability enough to mistake me for a Jew.
But something happened one day at my office which was 2 blocks from the Synagogue and had a similar appearance to the Synagogue. As long as I've started this damned thing I'm gonna finish, you can deep six it... probably should....
So... one morning maybe 5-6 young people came in and asked if this was the Synagogue as they wanted to protest something. Uninquistive me said "no, it's 2 blocks that way" and they left. This was about 1964. I haven't the faintest idea what their complaint was but remember distinctly that even before they found out they were in the wrong place, they were quite polite and for sure didn't seem a threat. They did have something of an appearance of hippies, rather neatly dressed hippies.
Well.... 2 days later the local paper, first page, above the fold, had an article about how a gang had gone to the synagogue and caused trouble and were arrested and thrown in jail.
The next day, I talked with a friend, a Jewish friend used car lot owner (later new car dealer) and he was absolutely full of himself how he'd been called to the synagogue and hurried there with friends and "beat the shit" out of a gang of hippies for some reason or other.
Now, I did not see the "to-do" so I can't absolutely say for sure, but in my mind, things just did not add up. The group that came into my waiting room in no way appeared to be dangerous.
It was then that I began to realize my newspaper and my police department and my friend just may not have been quite as neutral as I'd allways assumed them to be.
Now... let's fast forward a jump. In 1967 I recieved a good bundle of money and needed a place to put it for a year or so. I studied and read and worried and finally put it in Standard Oil of California. Just about the next day, the 67 war started and my stock went to shit. I had no idea what the war was about but was so mad I wanted to charter a jet and go over there and get the idiots by the scruff of their neck and tell them to stop that shit. A fantasy of course, but shows you how internationally dumb I was.
Israel whupped up on a whole passel of countrys and I became an Israeli worshipper. I thought they have to be the greatest people in the world.
My stock made a feeble incomplete recovery, but my admiration for Israel was boundless.
The point of this ramble is I was an Israeli firster of the first order.
Then, I get a computer and stumble around in the net and, what does my mind learn?..... the truth... the big truth...
Annie, I get it now. I now see it. I see that Israel controls our media. I see Israel controls DC. I see Israel runs our foreign policy. I see what the real story is, in the Middle East.
I see Israel's policys are ruining the US.
I am... most assuridly anti-Israel.
But I've become racist too.. I've begun to blame Jews everywhere, over the horror of Gaza and the West Bank. It is terribly wrong for me to blame all Jews for those atrocitys as I need to look no further than read MondoWeiss to know all Jews are not Zionists....
But what about my antisemeitcism? Am I totally to blame? Am I an antisemetic because my brain is somehow wired wrong? Is it all my fault? Am I a tiny minded jerk?
Or have I been made this way? Have I been trained to be antisemetic? Has the tribe I've come to detest made me this way? Has Zionism somehow inadvertently made me dislike Jews?
Or Annie...... I don't recall ever reading this....and it sounds really horrible on my part, but I wonder... I really do wonder.... have Zionists planned to make other peoples hate Jews so as to force all Jews into one unbroken, one completely united tribe? A Jews against the world, so-to-speak?
I guess Annie my question really is, what has made me a racist... a person my mother would be ashamed to call her son... a person I'm ashamed to have become...
I don't know... I just don't know
Can't recall when I changed from Gungho Israeli-firster to Palestinian backer. Was gradual...
But am I an antisemite? It's so hard for me to keep my anger at Israel focused on Israel and not let it color my thoughts about Jews in the US. Any of you have the same problem?