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Age 59 for a little while. Canadian. Left wing socially, conservative economically. Not right wing tho ;)

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  • Not In Our Name: The Jewish duty to stand with the people of Gaza
    • The withdrawal from Gaza was a cold and calculated attempt prolonging the dispute/conflict. The issue with respect to movement of the settlers from Gaza to the West Bank are well documented and argued. There was a massive increase in settler activity at the same time of the withdrawal.

      What hasn't been kept alive over the intervening years but which was known at the time is that the PA kept asking Sharon not to withdraw at that time as they were not prepared, and therefore not able, to assume control of the area in order to ensure that the (relative) peace could be maintained. Sharon ignored the requests to postpone his withdrawal as it didn't fit his true agenda.

      I also find it amusing how Israel bitc$e5 and whines over unilateral moves yet pats itself on the back for it's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza.

  • Christie slams Obama for creating daylight between US and Israel
    • NY State Senator @bradhoylman should recuse himself from any votes since it's personal. Not that he will do the ethical thing of course.

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
    • Your position, while nicely worded, assumes Israel is the target of aggression or the victim. It's not. Israel is well beyond it's declared borders and even well beyond expanded borders which the international community is/was prepared to accept.

      It is both the oppressor and aggressor. It is targetting a civilian population to defend it's aggression and presumed (by Israel) territorial gains. It uses civilians to create facts on the ground in violation of it's international agreements.

      "While most civilian deaths in actions against Hamas are unavoidable, "

      They are all avoidable. All it requires is that Israel negotiate a just peace and live within international law. The Palestinian people are fighting for their basic rights. They have no real desire to go beyond that. Some rhetoric would indicate otherwise but it is clearly rhetoric. There is no chance that they can acheive their rhetorical goals and, except to a total racist, they are not imbued with a lower iq than the rest of us.

      Israel prefers land acquisition and supremacy over peace.

  • Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder says Israel is using our taxes to 'drop bombs on children' and take land
  • Florida Congresswoman sides with Israeli police over her own brutalized teenage constituent
    • Wow. This is so sick. There is no proof that he participated in the demonstrations or riots. But even if he did. Even if he threw molotov cocktails. It's a non issue. He is a kid. He was subdued and then brutally beaten and stomped. There is no excuse for that. Nothing justified what those police officers did to him. Nothing. If he participated then they could have charged him after they subdued him. And sentenced to house arrest and fined without a charge being laid? What kind of tinpot justice system do they have.

  • Israel viciously bombs Gaza, that's the only truth
    • wow... A cnn reporter just stated that the missiles being used by Hamas are much larger and capable of a lot more damage than the munitions being used by Israel. Another reporter didn't correct her but sort of danced around that and said well the munitions being used by Hamas are capable of carrying warheads up to 400lbs. Very few of the munitions being used by them can carry that kind of payload.

      I don't know her name. I don't watch US news very often. It is amazing what can pass for news or informed comment on US news networks.

  • Palestinian rockets: The conversation no one is having
    • Unfortunately the Israeli government does not have any desire to recognize a Palestinian state. In a recent speech netanyahu described such a state as being without a military, without control of it's airspace or borders, would not be allowed to control who may enter it's territory (pretty sure he specified exit as well but not sure) and one which must accept the physical presence of the idf terrorists, etc, etc.

      The current regime in Israel seeks to legitimize a bantustan arrangement and not a second state.

  • Relentless bombing on Gaza continues: Israel kills media worker, 9 people watching World Cup on beach
    • "I’d support the actions of the Westernized country every time."

      Well it's good you don't think about the issues. The ethics or morality. You're a good little bot. Good boy. Now go lie down.

  • Terrifying tweets of pre-Army Israeli teens
    • Do you think any number of those erase the genocidal racist comments of Israeli Jews? I'm just curious as to whether you are a person of principle or an abject racist.

    • " Wouldn’t it be great if Jews had to come begging to Israel for protection? "

      Well that and they get to point at a trouble spot, plead insecurity, and play on western guilt.

      The current meme I'm seeing on some pro Israeli sites is Netanyahu is doing all he can to avoid an invasion.

      From what? Termites?

    • Anecdotal can work for me, since all of our lives are based largely upon that in many areas. I do have trouble extrapolating that to state that there are no outliers within the Palestinian population that aren't equally depraved. Once you get into populations of any decent size generalities are generally (sic) wrong.

    • I have certainly seen at least one study which quantified the extent to which the educational literature detailed racist beliefs.Hard to guess at the extent to which the teachers and system added to that. It wasn't a tie but it was very close.

      I don't think it's just education though. It's their politicians, newspapers, the opinion makers. In short their society. The hate gives them purpose and commonality.

      But yeah in a western nation they'd be shut down. And in most western nations arrested for hate crimes. Despicable.

    • Yeah I hear you.I read about 4 Israeli news sites and a couple of camera dot org sites. If only to make sure I consider or be aware of the other side. The racism is mind blowing. The calls for complete genocide are so frequent. The dehumanzing constant. It's sad. And often maddening. But mostly sad. When I was a youngster in the 60's I thought we were turning a huge corner.

    • “Shouldn’t take you more than ten minutes to search and find an example or two, and post them here. What’s stopping you?”

      Well ...
      1. It wasn't my contention that they do exist. It was my concession on a minor point of argument.
      2. While I said likely I don't feel like wasting time to prove the certainty of his point.
      2. Minor? Yes as it doesn't justify these tweets. Two wrongs have never made a right.

      God knows how long it has taken me to reply to this as my net connection is dropping about every minute or so. Though that isn't part of what stops me... just created the delay in replying.

    • The porn pictures are pictures that the kids put on their tweets. The author merely copied the tweets and didn't 'use' anything. Used them in a sexualized context? Maybe if you are into necrophillia.... Are you?

      I do agree it's highly likely you can find similar tweets from the other side which would be as vile. I don't think anyone can reasonably doubt that although we haven't see the evidence technically.

      But let's just put to bed the silly notion that Israelis are somehow civilized, nonracist and don't teach hate to their children. Most of us have known it was false all along.

  • U.S. neoconservatives also share blame for Central America child refugee crisis
    • There's a song related to that period that I've always had in my mind. It's written by someone I admire greatly. It's a song which I always have in mind wrt to the I/P issue and it conveys the lengths to which an oppressed people can be pushed. As many not know him Bruce is a declared and avowed pacifist. He has another song which is on topic which is entitled "And they call it Democracy"

      I haven't linked to a video here before and I haven't coded html (too lazy to view source) since the 90's so this may not work but..

      Bruce Cockburn - If I had a rocket launcher

  • State Dep't says Israel has a right to defend itself, but can't say the same of Palestinians
    • "Mistaking missile defense for aggression"

      Missile defense is not blowing up those buildings in Gaza.

    • "Somehow, in our role as “honest broker” "

      You ignored the balance and context. (kidding)

    • Any, and every, state has the right to defend it's citizens.

      No state that is involved in aggressive wars and occupation has the right to claim self defense. Attacks on it's civilians may, or may not, be war crimes but that's a different topic. There is no claim to self defense.

  • Ben Gurion detention guard tells humanitarian worker she is being deported for 'trying to change Israel and make it free of racism'
    • I'm just curious as to what you would call them? They aren't equal to Jewish Israelis. They don't get the same rights, privileges or benefits as Jewish Israelis. I'm not aware of any Arab National Fund which gets 20% of state land which it can dole out based on racist criteria. Did I overlook it?

      So what are they? I would personally hesitate to call them all collaborators. Some are innocent victims of racism and oppression.

    • " I would have thought that Zionists would be especially sensitive about that kind of stuff,"

      Yeah but if you really are a dyed in the wool racist then you wouldn't see it as being in anything other than a good light. Borderline racist may think oops or question how far they went. True racists would think it's merely the truth and people need to accept it.

  • Israel's war is just beginning and has never ended
    • " even though I could replace the word “Israel” by the word “Hamas”."

      Well yes you could.

      The article would make no sense then but you could do it. You could also replace Israel with Ducks.

      There is only one oppressor and aggressor and that is Israel.

  • 'Operation Protective Edge' begins: Gaza rocked by Israeli airstrikes as Palestinian militants shoot at Jerusalem
  • Contradicting Israeli officials, family of Tarek Abu Khdeir says he was attacked while in uncle's Jerusalem backyard
    • " Insufficient to explain away the beating, "

      Well... Yes.... Exactly. That's where you should have stopped. The main issue is two adult cops not only beat but stomped a 15 year old after he was subdued.

      The rest doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he was throwing rocks or petrol bombs either. He had been subdued. He was beat and stomped.

      End of.

    • Didn't Regev avoid the issue though?

      I know all systems are different but the details of Israel's system is something I am not familiar with.

      In the jurisdictions I am aware the judiciary refers to the court system and judges. It doesn't include the police or prosecution services.

      The issue he was presented with was that less than 10% of settler attacks are prosecuted. Totally different issue and the at that stage the judiciary is irrelevant.

      "“I don’t think that’s true,” Regev said. “Everyone…has totally condemned that murder…Israel stands thoroughly against this.”"

      Again he avoids the issue. The interviewer raises the following in terms of the general political environment "this is part of the culture of Israel, hostility towards Arabs, nurtured by Israeli politicians,”"

      The response only deals with the a single event, the murder.

      The world needs better reporters. That interview was a sideshow.

  • Caught in a lie: E-mails prove right-wing pro-Israel donor Adam Milstein gave money to California student candidates
    • I guess I'm an old geezer but I find this story disturbing on so many levels and have since it was first raised here. I was heavily involved in student politics (and later national politics) in the late 60's thru mid 70's. On a student level there were no outside donations. I find it troublesome that potential future political leaders are being taught that money and interests grease the wheels. That representing those that elect them is not the first or primary interest. Our provincial/state/national politics are corrupt enough and will not be fixed when we teach our students that this is acceptable and the proper way for the system to work.

      I'm not surprised that someone like hopmi finds it acceptable. I am surprised that society finds it acceptable in any way.

      Anyway... Just buried the third good friend in a year (one was my childhood sweetheart and fiance) today and maybe I'm just to depressed. But even without the I/P issue and the daily human rights abuses inflicted on millions of people every day this is sort of a capper. I won't argue the rules were broken as I don't know they were but this is immoral on all levels.

    • ", though the equivalent of a lie, "

      No it is a lie. Not the equivalent.

    • " I’ll listen to you bray on about ethics."

      Once again... You have no concept of what ethics means. It's a totally foreign concept to you.

    • You need a good course in ethics. Ethics doesn't rely on a fine line of rules. It's a matter of right versus wrong. What is the right thing to do and why. It's closer to philosophy learning legal codes, laws or rules.

      It's clearly something you don't understand and can't decipher.

    • "The guy gave money to Hillel to donate to pro-Israel candidates for student government."

      Then it's a lie. A lie is an intent to deceive. He knew where the money was intended to go and where it would end up. Technicalities don't erase the intent to deceive. It's not a plausible deniability situation. No offense to US posters but one thing that strikes me through US politicians and news media is that they seem that something must meet the plausible category before that phrase applies.

  • Autopsy report shows Mohammed Abu Khdeir was burned to death; reports spread of other possible abductions
    • In pure slimeball mode Netanyahu steps back calling for calm. In his stead Leiberman steps up and continues the incitement. Truly a vile government and supporters. No different than the worst of terrorists other than they have a better equipped army to terrorize a civilian population with.

      I really don't get how they see themselves as even remotely different than those they hate. There is not one iota of difference between them.

  • Murdered teen laid to rest, as tensions flare in Shufat
    • jon s I get it. You are up against animalistic terrorists. No one here understands, as we do, the impact on peace loving people when one spills the popcorn in a moment of hurry. I get it.

      You are a zionist true and proud. You are a moral beacon. Go beat up with a Palestinian child and regain your pride. Vaporize a household in the name of honour.

  • Please, pray for Palestine
    • You don't think they will ultimately claim something similar to that and get away with it in the western media? That many governments won't stand in line with them and support the purported 'investigation'.

      I do. And all we will be left with is another x years of people arguing which version of events is correct while Israel builds or expands settllements and increase the level of oppression.

      BDS is the only answer left. And even with it I doubt true justice will ever be delivered. I'm hoping for a level of justice acceptable to the Palestinians. I doubt it will reach the level of objective justice.

  • After repeated calls for vengeance, Netanyahu urges Israelis to be 'cool-headed' and seek 'justice'
    • Netanyahu does not seem as much a politician as a smart psychopath. I say that with sincerity. I would truly not want the man living within 10 miles of me even if he was a common citizen. He is dangerous. I hesitate to throw in the word evil but it pretty much fits. The worst part is there are three others in that government that are far far worse.

      "but this racism, this “revenge” is born of the second intifada."

      Sure. It's never the fault of Jewish Israeli's. Never. It can't be. It's the Palestinians fault. It must be. Those wicked wicked people. Sorry but the racism has been evident all along.

  • Liberal Zionists' denial of Israeli racism heightens danger to 'everyone living in this land' -- Blumenthal
    • I'm fully in support of that. That's real democracy. Not the pretend kind Israel espouses.

    • Well the onus for a two state solution rests with Israel. They are the only party to the conflict with the power to enforce a yes or no and so far they've been saying no. Even in his latest speech Netty describes a state with no control over borders, territory, immigration, self defense. In short a Bantustan. That is not a 2ss.

      In the meantime it's also doing everything it can to expand it's borders and limit the territory that could be made into a Palestinian state.

      I'm not a huge poster but I am a frequent reader... I've seen you referred to as an Israel supporter.... If you are then it's incumbent on you to argue for that. I'm a 2ss supporter as well but I'm on the edge. At this point in time Israel is making a mockery of the mere idea and eventually I will no doubt move to the 1ss solution.

  • The world's sympathy cannot be limited to Israeli victims
  • Photo Essay: Israeli soliders destroy Qawasmeh and Aisha family homes in retribution attack
    • Who reads the national post? In all sincerity. It's a vile ad but who cares. I'm long past caring. I don't wish any ill on any Israeli or Palestinian. I don't even equate being Israeli with being Jewish. Not even remotely the same thing. I really don't care how someone labels me. Unlike some I don't want to see Israel destroyed or even it's Jewish character (although I think the implementation is wrong.... I think maybe there can be a way to do it while recognizing universal human rights. not sure about that though...). I believe in judging every individual as an individual based on their own character. Canada has generally been somewhat objective if that means we don't toe the party line. We have backed the Palestinian position or the Israeli position depending on the circumstances. The current Harper government is truly an embarrassment. He is a lick spittle slave and demeans the highest office of this country. The UCC, one of the major religious organizations in this country, has consistently spoken out about the injustice.

      But the national post has always been a second rate trash rag. No wonder they'd run such an ad. I think they may make the top ten but most papers don't market themselves nationally.

  • Israel needs no proof to kill Palestinians for teens' death, Israeli colonel says
    • but but but Netanyahu has all the evidence. He told us so! Did they lose it perhaps? Did he lie? Does a bear ... in the woods.

  • Children's lives in the balance (is one worth more than another?)
    • I hate to seem callous but.... The death of every child is a tragedy. I have seen a parents pain upon losing a child. I have seen the pain still there decades later. The show that is being put on with respect to these three youths is obscene. 21,000 children die each day. Israel has managed to kill so many more than 3. I do extend sincere condolences to the families but it's turned into a circus sideshow.

  • Israel announces identity of suspected kidnappers, still no evidence of abduction made public
    • Can't these others ever get it through their stoneage thick heads that western liberal democracies never have any difference of opinion between political leaders?

      Really? I hope you do sarcasm.

  • From Mississippi to Gaza -- Dorothy Zellner reflects on 50 years of struggle
    • I had great respect for the SDS back in the day. I have greater respect for Dorothy Zellner. Fascinating interview. She has worked so hard for others all her life.

  • Israel maintains gag order in missing teens' case, leading to charge of media 'manipulation'
    • I have no belief one way or the other but isn't their death rather hard to square with the pics of the smiling parents? Unless they've been kept in the dark about what may have happened. It's also hard to square Israel's actions with any desire to get them back alive.

  • In 'turning-point' vote, Presbyterians divest from occupation-linked corporations
    • Before I hit the sack here's what I don't get (well I do but ...). Divesting from companies involved in the oppression is seen as antisemetic. It's seen as anti Israel and anti Jewish. It's seen as being on the Palestinian side. In fact all it does is (help to) level the playing field. It's removes the special privilege Israel has to benefit from, or use, our companies to further the oppression or profit from it. It's not as if we said we will divest from companies supporting Israel and invest in companies supporting the Palestinians. It merely says you can't do what you are doing on our nickel.

      So antisemetism boils down to if you don't support Israel in everything it does, even if illegal, then you are an antisemite. I will die with a clear conscience. I wish no harm to anyone.

    • Well that's due mostly to it being Canada in my opinion. The United Church rarely makes the news. Most religions don't although, because of the current situation, Judaism and Islam do. Their internal issues don't make the news though.

      The last two times I saw a religion make the news here apart from that was when the Salvation Army was ripped off for millions(?) by one of it's employees and back in the 70's when 5 denominations were caught out supplying weapons to African rebels out of their members donations.

      Anyway... I was raised UCC, before I opted for atheism at 15. I'm probably a member technically as I was inducted (or whatever their term is) at the age of 12.... I know a huge number of members.... They aren't going to care on a personal basis what the adl thinks. Since they were listed as one of the top antisemetic threats by the adl I've never heard a single person mention, or discuss, it.

    • No prayers or thoughts for the recently dead Palestinian children though. Yet the church will be accussed of being one sided with the Palestinians. Palestinian kids never count. Nor their families.

    • " And needless to say, no mention of a Palestinian in that room. "

      Zionist balance always excludes the Palestinians.

  • Reform Jewish leader offers alternative to Presbyterian divestment: meet Netanyahu
    • What a ludicrous suggestion. A half century of talking and trying to make Israeli's feel accepted has done nothing but increase the oppression heaped upon the Palestinians.

  • Nighttime Israeli raid on Bir Zeit University yields -- truck full of Hamas flags
  • Mainstream piece lays settler teen abduction at feet of 'illegal' and 'indefensible' occupation
    • I deplore all violence and I mean all. Irecognize it's sometimes necessary. It's high time the media recognize that settlers are not innocent victims or civilians. They are the forward edge of the IDF. Those settler's who bring, or raise, their families while engaged in criminal actions need to be held responsible. They are, at best,unfit parents and, more likely, criminally negligent. I would never take my child into a war/battlezone.

      When Israeli's love their children as much as a loving parent would then there will be peace.

  • Cantor's defeat had nothing to do with religion
    • That's just a passive aggressive way of suggesting that people voted against him due to his religion, ie they're antisemites. It's not an uncommon way to accuse people of many things.

  • Bloom where you are planted
  • Neocon Brooks tells US to deal with Taliban -- so what about Hamas?
    • Governments have always negotiate with terrorists. Any time they want to, that is. I don't know why the press repeats such false concepts let alone why they let politicians get away with such claims without hard pointed questions.

  • Public debate on Zionism sets a crucial precedent
    • Excellent debate. I probably should watch cpac more often as I had no idea they were carrying it. It was nice to a discussion which didn't get bogged down in some of the more emotional arguments.

      Thank you!

  • Brandeis damaged itself by suspending relationship with Nusseibeh, Ratner says in resigning from board
    • This is truly a sad state of affairs. I am not familiar with Professor Ratner. Perhaps I should be. I admire his courage to make a stand. The timing of events would indicate the presidents actions were one of revenge and not based on principle at all. Neither can I condone the students actions. If I ever meet Mr Ratner I will shake his hand for sure.

  • CNN showed 'blatant' bias when Blitzer aired Oren saying 2 killed Palestinians may not be dead -- Munayyer
    • I'm a fairly frequent poster at the guardian (3.7k, just checked) but I avoided that article as I think it was a minefield to start with as it mixes issues. The killings at the museum do indeed to be professional. He is in and out quite calmly. Professional doesn't exclude any one, or group, as the professionalism would be a combination of intent, training and experience and motivation is not a part of that.

      To link that to circumcision issues is a stretch. Some people are against it on principle and some people see it as a wedge to hammer minorities. I am against it as anything but a necessary medical procedure when required as I think adoption of a religion or identity should be exercised as a personal choice when one is an adult. I do not think it should be stopped as it is something which is held dear to the values of many minorities. I'm an atheist and I hope it all goes away but at the very least I hope that within time religions stop inducting membership into the group before a child may choose. Funny aside... My wife was quite religious but never a member of any church. Technically I am as I was inducted at the age of 10 but I am an atheist in practice.

      I do believe there has been a rise in antisemitism, subjectively based on my news reading (totally anecdotal I agree) although I agree with the comments here pointing out the flaws in the ADL statistics.

      To some extent it could be caused by the actions of Israel but I would suggest/feel that is wrong as Jewish people are not responsible for the reprehensible actions of that state. Not wrong as in it's not the cause but wrong as in Jewish people should not be blamed as a group.

      That would not explain the general rise in fear of the 'other'.... Here's my opinion and no I cannot back it up mathematically.

      In part the fear of the other arises from economic issues. If people have what they need they are happy and ignore these types of issues.

      The fear of the other - at the guardian and some other british sites - have been fanned by a combination of right wing bigots and pro Zionist zealots who have joined in the hate fest against Islam under the assumption that Muslims would be the targets of the hate. Judaism and Islam have much in common in terms of practices if not specific beliefs. The hatred has been fanned is directed at all not belonging directly to the national group and culture. They have helped create an us versus them mindset, and continue to do so, without considering that they are not consider part of 'us' (not saying people who think that are right). The law of unintended consequences. Or so ye sow so shall ye reap.

      Hatred only spawns more hatred.

    • And another Palestinian joins the pink mist society.

  • Scene of NY derailment that took four lives is a disgraceful mess six months later
    • "The result is that we can’t even fund basic stuff anymore. It’s really quite sad.
      "

      Even worse, you/we are told we need to make do with less. Some say it's a race to the bottom. I say it's a race to dig the hole deeper.

    • That's truly sad.

      I can understand that winter interfered with the cleanup (not really, just a benefit of the doubt thing) it's now well into spring. What a sad and cruel reminder to everyone. Budgets may be tight but they can't be that tight.

      My condolences on your loss.

  • Netanyahu says Jews invented the idea of 'honoring your father and mother'
    • Hurling is something that people in my region of the world do when we drink far too much Guinness. River dancing (as well as skating) is possible for 6 months of the year. Oh.... You meant Ireland.

  • Israelis are in Nigeria to help search for girls -- Susan Rice
    • Self promotion or not let's hope they are successful. There's no limit to the list of abuses that one has to be critical about wrt Israel. Thumbs up but that doesn't offset the rest.

  • NBA owner Sterling reportedly sought to justify his racism by citing Israeli racism
    • Well we will know if it's contested in a court of law. Odds are there is a very detailed contractual agreement between the owners which permits it.

    • Depro-provera.

      There may only be one zionist racist bigot in Israel. Maybe it's some larger number. Maybe it's the majority. Maybe not.

      Let's not pretend there are no zionist racist bigots. Some with a lot of money and apparently some in positions of authority within Israel.

  • As Israel 'staggers toward the abyss,' criticizing it is now 'the most fashionable cause' on the left
    • I don't understand your reply yonah. I'm not familiar enough with the board to understand why I can't reply to you directly... Probably the level of subthread. Regardless....

      What relevance does your question have?

      Are you suggesting that if she did nothing or didn't care about those genocides then she has no right to care about others? I think both of us would agree genocide is a war crime? Not being aware or involved in (stopping) a genocide doesn't preclude a right to talk about it at some later date.

      Perhaps some events are more relevant to her. Perhaps it's some connection even if it's remote such as family of a casual friend. Perhaps it's because she sees some things in the media more at points in her life and becomes seized with the issue(s).

      If people have to have had some involvement then what relevance does the Holocaust have to most of us and shouldn't we just forget it? I'm sixty. I didn't do it. I couldn't fight against it. So why should I care?

      You seem to suggest that attachment or involvement is required before someone cares, or has a position, in which case the Holocaust should be consigned to the dusty history books that few really care about.

      I don't believe you actually feel that way and, frankly if that's the case then I agree with you. It's something that should never be forgotten and something we should strive to see never happens again to any group on this planet we share.

      Just as frankly, she's right.

  • 'NYT' scrubs 'analysis' that Hamas is 'seen in West as the devil'
    • There was a terrorist group in the north east.

      A Kurdish terrorist group, enemies of Hussein and arguably protected from by the no fly zone.

      Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who later on became the head of AQ in Iraq was associated with them on and off.

  • Five reasons the breakdown of peace talks is a good thing
    • I wish I could share your optimism but I don't. I am hopeful for a peaceful and mutually agreeable end to the situation but that hope fades with each passing day.

      The reality to me is that Israel is a nuclear armed state and to confront it militarily would do more harm to humanity than good. I don't believe Israel wants peace and the desire for it on the other side is questionable for some groups.

      I truly grieve for the victims on both sides.

      I hope you are right. The I/P issue is one that has bothered me for many decades. For many of them I was on the side of Israel. For the last 15-20 years that support has shifted for me as the reality became more apparent to me.

      The only measure I see working is BDS. I have personally boycotted Israeli products longer than the BDS campaign has existed. And yes I do boycott other countries. Not always as a statement against their politics but sometimes in support of my own people and economy.

      I hope I am wrong but I am losing hope. I really am. Maybe it's a bad day.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron
  • Snowden revealed a world of conspiracies I once would have scoffed at-- Bryan Burrough
    • @NickJOCW
      "Krauss: Has this not always been the case."

      No I don't think it has. I'm sure it was for some percentage of journalists but not for the majority who strove to make the next headline scoup, fame, honour, and professional accolades.

      Today journalism is a not as much a profession as merely a job and, when it comes to government, merely an extension of the p.r. department.

      They trade their profession for access. Access being dependent upon being compliant to the message governments want to spread.

  • Tax-deductible US group pushes Israeli control of Temple Mount
    • This effectively incitement to violence and it should be treated as such. I find it ludicrous and disgusting that the three Abrahamic religions can't find a way to share the space. Regardless of that if I promote an action I know will bring a response then the incitement is mine.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine
    • I do hope you are being sarcastic. I agree with you 100% in terms of the letter of the law. The technical letter of the law doesn't necessarily carry over into day to day life though.

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile
    • Well a 5,000+ year old tree. Maybe the oldest. Maybe the oldest olive tree. Many regions, countries claim the oldest, best, first. It's pretty much a norm. Your writing it off to propaganda speaks more about you than about the age of the tree. You could actually verify (short of cutting the tree down) it if you had wanted to but apparently not. Much easier to blame propaganda isn't it.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an
    • I can't imagine what it must be like to be a parent and what it must be like to send your children off to school when the first thing they will see is the barrel of a tank or equivalent. If it occurred outside my door tomorrow and I had a young child he may not worry or appreciate what the sight represented. A Palestinian child sadly knows full well what it means. It may or may not be a violation of international laws but it is inherently an awful crime. A real crime.

      I can only shake my head at the inhumanity that supports such a state of affairs.

      I will likely ignore this thread as there's been no explanations other than derogatory swipes at people who are at least trying to expose the truth whether they are right or wrong. Aren't we all some times. Both.

    • I'm not an armaments expert so I can't argue but I don't see any water source unless it runs up through the armature. It bears a very striking resemblance to an autmated machine gun produced by Rafael industries in Israel. And Israel was reported by Janes to be in the process of deploying remote automated machine guns along the separation barrier.

      So my question is, without argument, do you have any link to the manufacturer of said 'water cannon'.

  • Alleged K.C. killer: 'If Jews can have a state of their own, why can't we have a White Christian state?'
    • My condolences to the families. It is truly despicable to try to score political points with this tragedy. I suspect this sick individual's issues go back a long long way.

  • Florida university president who condemned boycott has financial ties to settlements
    • Statement of changes in financial position track assets and liabilities over the year. It shows the balance at the start of the year.... So there was no change or additional investment. In the year that they were acquired the opening balance would show zero/space. So yeah it's a 10k investment. Not sure of the bond rate but one could expect it to be in line with normal bond rates. Maybe slightly higher or lower depending on the difficulty or ease they were having in raising capital.

  • Simon Schama's Israel whitewash
    • I only managed to 3 of the 5 parts. Like others I thought the entire thing was a bit one sided. I expected that and sometimes you only see what you expect to see. Even the tone of the narration was intended to convey a gentle peaceful nature.

      I did find one part rather out of synch with that. I'm not sure which part it was as they're been erased off the dvr and I didn't have all of them to begin with.

      He is interviewing a settler (40's perhaps) and asks him what territory he wants to see as part of Israel. It takes a couple of digs. The settler tries to avoid the question. Finally he answers with a grin well the Kingdom of David would be nice but it's not that likely now... The grin is more malevolent than light hearted. The camera then focuses on the settler's gun.

      Whether Schama intended this, or perhaps some production staff. Perhaps it slipped through. Regardless it speaks volumes.

  • Appeals court upholds dismissal of anti-BDS lawsuit against Olympia Food Co-op
    • It is very important to make use of every means at our disposal, mainly legal means …

      Begs the question as to what illegal means were/are being considered.

  • 'NYT' readers who objected to calling Abbas 'defiant' have a point, public editor rules
    • Whether it was racist or not I understand the horrors that could drive a people to want their own state at any cost given what occurred in WW II. That is not to say the leaders weren't racist, or the concept wasn't racist. All I am saying is that for the average Jewish person the motivation to sign on to such a concept is obvious. The motivation for the average non Jewish person to support same was obvious. And that's not to say either of those two groups was right. In fact it was the wrong solution in my opinion but the times weren't difficult or hard they were horrific. Good people made bad decisions.

      Now we need to find the right and decent way out of this and that doesn't mean pandering to either side.

    • I know I said I wasn't going to bother to post here again but I guess I'll accept that I'm a liar in some part. I just couldn't resist this one and I did rethink doing it. I read a variety of sites, not only here but even some camera run sites.

      I literally choked on a mouthful of tea when I read this

      Gullible journalists like the New York Times’ Jodi Rudoren are ready willing and able to oblige with sympathetic pieces.

      I can't fathom it. I won't comment on the article other than to say it's devoid of reality or the comments other than to say they're usual racist claptrap. It's amusing (not really) to see the venom while they claim to be defenders of the opposite.

      There is no doubt that Rudoren is one sided in favour of Israel. She may not be racist enough to satisfy some right wing racist Israel supporters but she is one sided.

      I don't see a happy end to this. Israel has truly become a racist state controlled by supremacists. Even if they did the decent thing and agreed to a just peace they'd be facing a civil war. Sure it's their own fault but it's not something I want to see. I can't measure the feelings of their citizens in a collective sense but their political sphere is in control of racists who have full equality with the worst the world has known.

  • Israeli settlers set mosque on fire as UN says settler attacks have quadrupled in last 8 years
    • I don't understand why I only get a reply button to some posts but not others. If anyone cares to explain...

      This is to Annie Robbins below my last post.
      "i think we’re getting bogged down with terminology. let’s start here:"

      No kidding!

      "in fact the israeli supreme court recently claimed their was no ‘israeli’ nationality. :

      I'm well aware of that decision. The fact that an apartheid state comes up with a decision which enforces apartheid division doesn't sway me.

      "i think it might behoove you to differentiate between the project of colonialism"

      Behoove away. I do differentiate between the two. Show me any place I didn't make the distinction.

      "i’d be wary of comparing or identifying jewish terror as analogous to islamic terror"

      I never made a comparison. In fact I explicitly stated that those who resist oppression have a greater leeway in actions than the oppressors.

      "i think it might behoove you to differentiate between the project of colonialism "

      Yadda yadda... I never compared and never failed to differentiate.

      In short... This is my last post and while I was going to post a link on facebook to like minded friends who like me are pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli I will now decline to do so.

      The degree of group think required here is asinine. I will go back to reading and let you fret over your little petty issues on your own.

    • "They can’t do anything because they know it’ll lead to a schism within Judaism. "

      Oh I know they can't do that. I was being sarcastic. Even if they could they wouldn't as they reserve certain laws only for 'the other'. They have no trouble oppressing Palestinians but no intent of holding themselves to the same standards.

    • @just
      "However, being PC with a particular “group” that holds up their religion rather than their politics really makes being “PC” kind of outmoded. "

      I'm not trying to be pc but I am trying to be fair. I am simply not comfortable with blaming Jews as Jews are much more than Israeli Jews. As with terror perpetrated by any other group. I'm not prepared to use a universal label for a subgroup. That you are prepared to do so is fine. I'm not trying to change you.

      @Inanna
      "There wasn’t any need to make anything up. You equated Hamas and other terror groups with Israeli terror."

      No I didn't. I used another example where I was prepared to blame a world wide community for the actions of a subgroup. At no time did I equate or compare the terror undertaken by either side, whether is was right or wrong, better or worse.

      I'm sorry you can't comprehend this. Perhaps it would have been more apparent to you if I specified a group not involved in the middle east conflict.

      @puppies
      "On the one side the “Jewish state” and its supporting population which is by necessity “Jewish”,"

      Agreed that terrorism is both a universal and historical reality. It's been practiced for thousands of years.

      I have no problems with the labels that you may wish to use. I have no intention of changing mine.
      " The easiest way to achieve that is to dismantle the racial supremacist Zionist state, not to take potshots at people’s language."

      I confess to the opening shot but it's a group effort taking potshots at mine since I don't adhere to what you are comfortable with or prefer. As it's the Jewish state with the support of it's Jewish population then why not specifically blame the state or the Jewish people in the state. Jewish Israeli's are a subset of the state. Jewish people in the world are not.

      Regardless I won't change the language I use. It's not incorrect and it's more specific than a broad brush.

      Have a great day.

    • The recurring theme lately is that they favour a 2 state solution and Jordan is the second state. Even those that see the West Bank and/or Gaze as a 2nd state deny it the rights normally entitled to by states.

      In short the zionist who claim to support a 2 state solution appear to be redefining the terms of their own objectives. They don't support what the world sees as a 2 state solution.

    • No I'm not. I agree Palestinians have greater leeway in fighting for their freedom than the oppressor does in protecting themselves in perpetuating the oppression. I made no equation other than to point out I don't believe in blaming actions of specific people on larger groups.

      Please ,other than respond to what I write and not what you make up with things not said.

    • I can't agree with that. Anymore than I can I agree with Hamas (replace with favourite/least favourite group) terror attacks are Islamic terror.

      You want to say Jewish Israeli then fine I guess as the settlers are Jewish. But first and foremost they are Israeli by nationality, the IDF occupies the area and should be preventing them, the nation controls the territory and should be prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law (as if).

      Just imagine a few Israeli houses bulldozed for terrorism. Dismantling the settlements would be accomplished in no time.

    • The terminology needs to be changed particularly within the MSM. They aren't settler or price tag attacks.

      They are Israeli terrorist attacks.

  • Europeans with 'no legitimate claim' to America wiped out indigenous people -- 'totally different' from Israel (Harris)
    • Yes let's roll back all of our laws and norms by a couple of hundred years that we live by so that the zionist enterprise can feel good about themselves or put on a pretty face to the rest of the world.

      Natives in Canada, at least, have been receiving reparations for the past 50 years. There have been apologies and attempts at redress. That process is not complete. More needs to be done. While Canadians have pride in their heritage they take no pride in those actions of their ancestors. And particularly not in the abuse of native children which doesn't seem to hamper the Israeli collective conscience one bit.

      If we roll laws back to that period then genocide and ethnic cleansing was frequently the norm. I struggle to understand why anyone would want to provide ammunition to those who would legitimize or sanitize the horrors of the Nazis. That's taking it to the extreme admittedly but it was only because of the horrors of that period that many of the laws being broken by Israel came into existence.

      This is the 21st century. Unless one is to believe that Israeli's are some form of lesser type of human it's not unreasonable to expect them to follow the laws we have today (and the agreements/treaties that they've signed). There is no argument to be made that they deserve exemption from the laws which govern the rest of us.

  • The NY Times Non-Story of 2013: Israeli abuse of child prisoners
  • Israeli settlement exports from the Jordan Valley down $29 million in 2013 due to international boycott
    • There is no visible, organized BDS movement or group in my area. I have personally avoided buy Irsaeli products (and a few other countries at the same time) whenever possible.

      One product that is difficult to purchase is clementines. They tend to fly off the shelves and if you're a day late then you are out of luck. A supermarket may have a couple of hundred pounds when it gets a shipment.

      A while ago a local superstore have had what I would estimate to be a ton of Israeli (clearly labelled) clementines. I've never seen a display as large for any single item. Despite sales prices the product remained on the display rotting. A few months later they attempted the same thing with the same result.

      Despite the lack of organization and advertising it is clear that people are boycotting Israel products.

      I have seen the same thing with with a pre minced garlic product.

  • On House floor, Gohmert says Blumenthal is anti-Semitic Jew who'd welcome another Holocaust
    • There's something inherently racist in a Christian calling a Jewish person antisemitic. As if Jewish people were not individuals with a range of opinions and beliefs but rather a monolithic group which must fit into a predetermined mold. I'm sure Ghomert doesn't see that of course.

  • Ariel Sharon, whose political career was unhindered by civilian massacres, dies at 85
    • My wife spent two periods of her life in a coma. The second she didn't recover from so no idea but the first time she was able to recall things that had been said to her. Her recall was verbatim and it astonished.

      Luckily for her she had no recollection of being in a coma. She just had these little snippets and had no idea of the time that had passed or where she was. Sadly that means Sharon likely didn't suffer. I don't feel good about wishing that on someone but if anyone deserved it then he did.

    • Sharon was one of the bloodiest war criminals of the latter half of the 20th century. The world is a better place without him. While atheist I can understand how others could find comfort in the thought of him suffering for eternity in hell (along with Arafat quite frankly).

      I'm largely disappointed in the comments of various world leaders. I can understand condolences to his family but beyond that the world is a better place with his passing. I am equally, or even moreso, disappointed in the MSM commentary on his passing. While some have made reference to his connection to the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla it has not been dealt with in a factual fashion.

      This man may be a hero to Israeli's but that reflects on them and their values.

    • "Not long afterwards, I could not find any mention of Sharon having been put into a “medically induced coma”."

      The web has a way of cleaning itself up despite sites that archive pages. I am reminded of the Israeli general who wrote a book detail his use of torture and it's effectiveness. I recall his trip to the UK being cancelled out of fear of prosecution. Attempts to find said general's name are pretty unsuccessful. No doubt it can be found if one knows his name but otherwise the book and events have disappeared from, at least, easy access.

      That leaves the question as to why these things disappear and at whose direction.

  • Israel imprisons Palestinian cartoonist Mohammad Saba'aneh without charge, sparks international demands for his release
    • Oops missed part of the last bit.

      Where are all the right wing zionists who wanted to be hash tag je suis charlie

    • The first cartoon was prescient of his own circumstances and oh so appropriate due to that.

      Israel seems to be heading for a train wreck at an ever increasing speed. Arrogance, blindness and desperation seems to be the only thing left.

      Where are all the right wing zionists who wanted to be

  • Comments Policy
    • btw... I am not being passive aggressive in my apology. I mean it.

    • I do understand. And I apologize. I've been involved in social causes since I was 12 back in the 60's... I have found the past few weeks so frustrating and clearly my frustration gets the better of me at times.

    • Have I violated some rule so drastically that my participation is not wanted? I have had comments in moderation for 7 hours and counting. This has not been a one time thing but has been a continuing issue for quite a while

      I accept moderation but a 7 hour lag while others can communicate with each other seems extreme.

      Yes you have articles to write but many other participants are not subject to this.

      If I've violated some TOS or something then I'd like to know but otherwise I see little point in staying here.

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