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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
Throwing stones at passing high speeding cars is attempted murder
period.
Throwing stones at soldiers in full body armor is a form of resistance.
The difference is not that difficult to understand...
/forced truce / How do you force a truce without actually threatening boots on the ground?
I doubt that putting a missile through Assad's window would pose a serious PR problem to Israel , might even get a few cheers.
That's not the question though.The question is would it serve Israel
to topple the Assad regime and the answer to this is we won'd know.
Probably the best thing for us at this juncture is to stay out of it as much as we can, occasionally swatting this or that shipment of arms going where it shouldn't.
So the headline is That Israel stirs the pot.
And the content is that it haven't really decided what to do is at all about Syria
(which is correct)
Contradictions...
//She served in the visual intelligence and monitoring unit.//
Ahmm i can read...
elephantine:
The whole point of Shovrim Shtika is not to deliver hearsay "my friends saw ... i was told that..".
But to give concrete personal evidence of misconduct and unnecessary brutality of the IDF in the occupied territories.
Usually those kinds of incidents occur at a friction point between the military and civilians checkpoints during patrols , raids on wanted or suspected terrorists houses arrests etc.
This particular girl never served in the territories.She was stationed
on the Gaza border inside of Israel proper . She never met Palestinians
she never stood at checkpoints.Her testimony is just a list of usual cliches
about how the occupation is bad (it is but that's not the point).
Her military experience means exactly zero in the context of the occupation
and it's wrongs.I have no idea why would Shovrim Shtika even add her to
their testimonies base.Maybe they just couldn't find any one better.
There are other female testimonies which are qualified like the Girl from Erez crossing or the one that served ad Sahlav.
marc b. unlike you i happen to know what her job title includes.
I don't imagine it or guess it.
Look she did an extremely tedious boring mind numbing and highly important job.
A 4 or 6 hour shifts near a screen which you can't take your eyes of for even a minute.For about two years.
99% percent of the time she was bored to death 1% of it she might have seen action , maybe depends on the years she served through.
No idea.
She never aimed anything, she was watching for attempts to breach the Gaza border, lay charges or ambushes.
If she would saw such an attempt she would call in the unit responsible for the relevant bit of the border.
This is bullshit.
She served in the visual intelligence and monitoring unit.
The only Palestinians she ever saw during her service were seen through a monitor fed by a high def camera.Sitting shifts in an air conditioned office day in and day out.
The rest of her talk is the usual left speak אשמנו פשענו.
I don't really see them as a problem.
Good morning Philip you just found out that
Satmar hasidim are anti Zionists ?
They were so since the very beginning of Zionism.
Theirs is a place in a special kind of hell
where they put child molesters and people who who talk at the theater...
/Jews don’t speak in a single voice./
I am pretty sure that on the Holocaust issue we pretty much all do.
/The world doesn’t speak in a single voice./
Most definitely.
/Humanity is not divided into “Jews” and “world”./
No it's divided a lot more than that.
What was your point ?
/you’re being reductive and insensitive about spiritual historical issues. though/
For my grandmother it's not a spiritual historical issue Phillip.
It's quite a vivid memory from her childhood.
/It has to be respected and weighed by fair third parties./
What the hell does that even mean.
Who are those fair third parties ?
Jews to world : 6 million of our people were murdered.
World to Jews : We are sooo sorry , we deeply respect and sympathize with you.
/Moreover, in the West little is expected from the Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and other non-Western autocracies, whereas the Israeli claim to serve as a "light unto the nations" has been taken very seriously by admirers, or previous admirers, of Israel. Indeed, that so much has been expected of Israel is a high compliment--in some ways even to the Jewish people as a whole. That Israel has failed so dismally to live up to its own principles is a legitimate ground for disillusion, protest, and anger./
That's called double standard thank you for proving the opposite point.
Attack a nuclear capable (so they say) nation (forget the allies and the special relationship).
I do want some of the stuff you have been taking.
Krauss this reminds me an old anecdote.
A Jew call's a Russian nationalist party.
Moishe : Hello is this true what they say that Jews sold Russia ?
Yes : Yes you F$%ing J$%^%^
Moishe: Can you please tell me then where do i get my cut ?
Come to think of it i really should be getting payed for this ...
And Mondoweiss on more than one occasion favorably
wrote about the convicted sex offender Ezra Nawi.
link to mondoweiss.net
How do you guys reconcile all those double standards in your heads?
/. He is an Israeli activist of Iraqi descent, fluent Arabic speaker and gay—making him a person of reverence for everyone from the Advocate to Bernard Avishai/
He is also a convicted sex offender.
But what' a little hanky panky with 15 year old boy (Palestinian) compared to
all those freedom fighter credentials.
I suggest that they don't bother with the trip since they apparently already know exactly what's going on so there really is no point.
10x i'll make sure that the ShBet agents at the BGA will check for signs of recently open mail accounts...
Mossad prefers daisies.
I don't think Phil looks like a daisie.
3) options.
A) Nobody payed attention to him yet.
Hot exactly high profile like Chomsky or Finkelstein.
B) The did pay attention and are not interested in making a fuss.
C) Phil is not an active player he just covers stuff in his own manner one of many,
he does not actively participate in demonstrations or tries to stir shit up.
So let me get this straight.
Two Muslim guys commit a terrorist act with casualties in a major US city.
And all you care to write about is why the media is not acting in a tolerant
PC manner.
Are you for real?
Maybe that's because McCambridge religion had relevance to the subject at
hand you know the whole exorcism thing while Friedkin's not so much.
You really should try stop nitpicking this is getting ridiculous...
The purpose of soldiers is not to die for their country but to make the other
guys die for theirs.
I have lots more if you want...
It might be even worse than you think.
The guide (and i know the type can probably recite her arguments which are dubious in a lot of cases)
has one thing on your side which is a really strong moral argument based on the fact that we really can live on a vegetarian or even vegan diet and don't do it out of convenience and habit.
IE.
In the unlikely case where a one state has substituted Israel
and Jews int that imagined paradise will start getting the same treatment as other Me minorities we can expect Philip to write the same passionate articles on your blog like you do now.
Moihel Toives Philip.
/Our side gets to pick your side's leaders?/
Our side sometimes even gets to hang your side's leaders if they misbehave enough ...
And yes it's democracy.
If people kids or no kids throw stones at passing cars they are trying to kill (and have)
the passengers.
If they are trying to throw molotov coctails they are trying to kill, period.
That makes them a fair game.
The rest is silly semantics.
I discovered him this year only as well, pity indeed.
I am in the middle of Matter right now.
I/P is probably peanuts given the scale of things they are used to deal with.They might deal with earth as a whole and that means they would have bigger fishes to fry.
Obviously they would disapprove , they would disapprove of 99%
of Earth cultures as superstitious and barbarous.
Minds, still can't figure out how or why the basic premise of Culture works ie Minds are moral and beneficial to their inferiors (in general ).
Borza Gobuchul didn't either...
Such a pity, that the man has cancer.
I do so enjoy reading his Culture novels.
Interesting his views on the BDS i would have expected that a man that invented the Contact and SC would be more in touch with the various shades of gray in our pitiful excuse for a world.
I wish him good health or at the very least a good clean death if the former is impossible.
How about you come here and star it chegevara de la shmate ?
Gulag , really ?
What a piece of work you are...
They are dealing with it .
By paying the cynical bugger of every few years.
Interesting, so a situation where a totalitarian dictatorship every few years blackmails it's closest neighbors and their allies into giving it resources and aid that it needs because it's whole economical system is totally fucked up and does so with the threat of nuclear weapons therefore everybody is afraid to touch it and therefore cave in to it's demands is actually such a desirable and sustainable situation that it should be implemented elsewhere.
Is that your argument?
/Philadelphia Coalition for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions against Israel/
What all 10 of you ?
Silly people.
You really should share with people where to you get that stuff you seem to be smoking .
Just one correction it won't end with violence it will continue with it
same as in the last hundred years.
Well at least until everybody get's really tired with it.
Unhealthy by what f'ing standard?
American ,Syrian, maybe French , Korean ,Japanese?
/The country had not aroused my affection, and by then I had learned that to write critically, without sympathy, for the subject at hand was to commit literary suicide. /
She is generalizing about how a writer should have sympathy about what he writes
otherwise his book will be lousy
Either you have trouble with comprehension here Philip or you are
purposefully misleading your readers.
The transcript states that this was an open invitation.
They just didn't bother to attend.
Btw what happened to mooser ?
I suddenly noticed that his usual background noise is absent...
I really enjoy this post Phillip.
The confusion, the revealed hypocrisy in some ...
The suddenly found complexity of the situation (willfully ignored in the other case).
That's a neat trick Qualtrough
first you take everything from a people and than you write on a piece of paper
that they have rights like everybody else, therefore everything is ok.
/ut… a Constitution which ends up giving full citizenship and full rights to the victims was set up by the very imperialists who encouraged the genocide/
Your really should read the Israeli independence proclamation.
I would assume that first you have to say you are sorry.
Than you have at the very least to compensate the surviving indigenous peoples
for the full value of what was taken from them plus interest.
Also eliminate all symbolism that the surviving native people find offensive.
Never been to Israel reads a blog of her cousin who does live there
on the French Hill neighborhood (a settlement btw according to Hamas)
precious...
/ as discussion of BDS is not only forbidden but punishable by law in the Middle East’s only democracy./
Discussion is quite welcome. Calling for BDS is something different then discussion.
And moreover has any BDS proponent in Israel was ever prosecuted for advocating BDS ?
Well then i guess what the Germans did to other German citizens
was all ok. Internal matter nothing more.
link to answers.com
I don't have political cohorts Annie.
But this argument is getting rather silly as usual so i'll just quit.
You have fun...
You really shouldn't let your political opinions interfere with your history reading Annie.
Then you wouldn't make such silly statements.
If you want it to be...
Though that is not the point in this metaphore
/95% of the population who lived there for the last couple thousand years./ Who were they exactly ?
Eeee what's up doc ?
הכלבים נובחים השיירה עוברת...
I can just feel how the local "humanitarians" will react to this piece.
I wonder what they have to say about Bradley Manning
Difference in style , same results if policies succeed no Jewish and democratic state of Israel.
In the first case no democracy in the second no Jewishness. (and democracy )
That's a euphemism for "We don't know what happened but we really
want to blame Israel for it".
People should really wait for the report of Yehuda His. The official report
of the guy who actually made the autopsy.But of cause since nobody here really cares about what actually happened ...
Sure just as soon as you sign some papers and invest
a sizable amount of money you will receive full disclosure.
/But it chooses Caterpillar, a company known to most of AIPAC's membership as the manufacturer of the bulldozer that killed American activist Rachel Corrie, 23, in Gaza ten years ago, March 16. What a signal!/
The world didn't start or end with Rachel Corrie for everybody in the world (on this site maybe but you are kinda fringe) the bulldozers have saved a lot of Israeli soldiers lives that's another way to look at things.
And your problem with this document is what exactly ?
The coroner has not actually published his findings but you guys go ahead
have your usual little shindig...
/ International Economic Zionism/
Oh boy , this is classic...
Maybe cause the apartheid is just in your heads Annie...
You are all free to put a suggestion in front of the Birthright to add
a Join Anarchists against the wall field trip or something of the sort.
Or better yet organize an alternative birthright funded by the PA.
That should be a hoot.
/Nearly all the approximately 300,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem are “residents.” They were born in Jerusalem (like their parents, and their parents’ parents) but despite Israel’s annexation, they are not citizens of Israel./
Permanent residents are permitted, if they wish and meet certain conditions, to receive Israeli citizenship. These conditions include swearing allegiance to the State, proving that they are not citizens of any other country, and showing some knowledge of Hebrew. For political reasons, most of the residents do not request Israeli citizenship.
So if the writer wants to participate as full citizen in the Israeli democracy all she has to do is apply.
You can't eat the cake and leave it full
I would also ask why the writer does not speak Hebrew , since it's the first official language in the state.
Yes go to the ICC
we will respond in kind (maybe after cutting the financial oxygen and maybe not) and have a merry legal fight for decades to come...
Omar Barghouti , the guy who calls for boycott while studying
philosophy at Tel Aviv university.
Some kind of philosopher he is gonna be...
/"I made a mistake, I didn't know there's another nation living here."/
As opposed to what, staying in Germany ?
What a grand idea that would have been.
Itzhak Laor mainstream.
Hhh just as Haaretz is the most influential paper in the country.
You know what it does worth lives not just Israelis for that matter.
How about we start with your and your children lives as a price for peace.
That is so sad.
Babble all you want.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel it's the seat of government and of parliament
and of the judiciary system.
Not recognizing it as such is tantamount to not recognizing the earth revolves around the sun.
/Jews for Palestinian right of return/
And the destruction of the Jewish people right to self determination and sovereignty.
Too fine a difference to the folks around here.
As long as you define yourself as zionist they don't really care if you vote for meretz or mafdal.
You forgot to add that some of his best friends are Jewish...
Same for citizens.
Right of return does not apply to citizens.
You are wrong Annie.
A citizen is a citizen.
Hmm and if Bennet's annexation plan indeed comes to life
Abu Ibrahim will get an Israeli citizenship , i think he will be quite happy with it.
/‘Our work in colonized Palestinian society has taught us that within the Israeli context, femicide is structured by a complex interrelationship between informal Palestinian systems of control and the formal Israeli legal and welfare system./
A. The author talks about her freedoms in Gaza,
that has nothing to do with Israeli legal and welfare system.(Or any where else in the PA authority.)
Inside Israel a man that kills a women (for whatever reason) will go to jail for premeditated murder, full stop.
B.
What about "Honor Killings" (I hate this term or the word honor used in this context) and the oppression of women in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia.,Yemen etc... ?
/As you are the occupier, does the direct relation between occupation and conservatism not interest you/
I don't profit from conservatism in any form.
And i am not sure that a relation between occupation and conservatism
of the Palestinians is inherent.
The middle east is full of conservative oppressive countries
Israel has nothing to do with it.
I'll better let Avi explain himself if he wishes to do so.
You are kind of missing the point Avi
i think the writer would love to air her dirty laundry inside of the Palestinian discourse but it's just not safe for her to do so.
//But what you describe in your article is more fitting for an inter-Palestinian discussion. What Palestinians now need is unity, not division over religious/secular issues.
Simply put, you gotta prioritize./
This gentlemen/women readers is the epitome of hypocrisy.
What Avi says is basically this.
As long as there is this conflict with Israel
Palestinians should not deal with problems in own their society.
No equality for you Sameeha Elwan not as long as we are dealing with Israel.
A classic totalitarian trick, a permanent state of national emergency that forever takes priority over any kind of internal problems.
/P.S. I wish I could write this post in Arabic! I promise I should give it a try./
And why can't you write it in Arabic , perhaps in doing so
you would put yourself in danger from the so much supported on this site Hamas
rulers of Gaza ?
Actually the fired a rocket towards the sea in a rocket test, not at Israel.
And i guess the rest of the info is just as reliable.
Nazareth Elit as a predominantly Jewish populated city near the historical Nazareth.
BTW all those Arab families mentioned in the article moving to it a Christians
that are leaving the Nazareth which is becoming a more and more a Muslim
city.
Not exactly Peter there is a long interview with the reverend
try reading it.
Sorry for the google translate part but it conveys the general idea...
And it would have if the article were talking about Nazareth which it's not.
Do read more carefully next time.
Wanna comment on this articles about Nazrat Jonathan
link to nrg.co.il
link to ynetnews.com
link to community.beliefnet.com
Last weekend G'ovril Nadaf priest tried to break the ban imposed on him and enter the Orthodox Church in Nazareth, a short prayer and light a candle. Entry was made possible only thanks to the fact that some Border Police and IDF officers of the Christian community, accompanied him to the temple.
Since the priest's face by members of the Orthodox Christian community council, run with an iron fist by Dr. Azmi Hakim, from Nazareth member of the Communist Party, protect Nadaf guards accompanying him wherever he goes.
Cause of excommunication: Nadaf G'ovril believe that young Christian community integrate into Israeli society. Is in favor of raising Christian Arabs army or security forces, it supports national service, and he believes that Israel is the anchor and security to the Christian minority living within its borders.
But since the young priest Nadaf and surround him "out of the closet" and announced that they support Israel and are committed to it, opened a Pandora's box Nazareth. Nationalist Breast, always absent - present, from dance beautiful and ancient alleys. Now there is a struggle of a strange coalition, made up of the Communist Movement in Nazareth and Islamist opponents of integration, against the camp of Nadaf. They said of the Nadaf, monistic Line Coalition - Islamic left aggressive smear campaign in the Arab press local and international, social networks and YouTube.
Wrong analogy, we are talking about the deep south right ,
and the term was crocodile bait not crocodile.
/it also applies to using stereotypes that have a racist track record./
And where does being called a crocodile have a racist track record ?
/The most prominent Israeli citizen of Palestinian descent in the Israeli Knesset /
Is actually KM Ahmed Tibi.
Zoabi is just the most annoying one though some Jewish KM annoy me a whole of a lot more the she does with her little provocations.
At least somebody is honest here.
An honest enemy is much better then an enemy hiding behind big word about peace and justice.
Look a again Avi that's the impact of the bullet.
I doubt it.
Hard to admit a mistake especially when you are politicized,
requires integrity.
That is an interesting moral dilemma.
Will Adallah NY or maybe Philip Weiss substitute the money and make
City Harvest choice that much easier ?
link to haaretz.com
Border Police shot dead a Palestinian man near the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron on Wednesday, after the man threatened one of the border guards with a toy gun.
Initial reports indicate that the Palestinian man pounced on a border guard stationed near the Tomb of the Patriarchs, pushed him to the ground and pulled a gun at him. At that moment, a female border guard that was at the scene shot him and killed him. Later, it was revealed that the gun was a fake.
Following the incident, riots erupted at the scene.
It was a bit more fun then that.
He approached the checkpoint near the Patriarch cave gave his id to one of the officers and while he turned his back to run a check on the id pulled the gun
grabbed the officer by the neck and put the gun to his head.
Then he was shot by the officers partner.
In the US this would be called suicide by cop...
I assumed the Ultimate Question includes all other questions ,ergo ...
42 ?
Bad Jews ...
MW opened the door with that postcard i just walked through it.
And didn't MW change it's policy
/because it showed that a significant part of the community wants to talk about Israeli policy in the context of Jewish history and Jewish identity, and do so in a highly critical manner. Clearly a lot of people, including many in our community, want to have these conversations and regard them as necessary to resolving the Middle East conflict. We don’t. We are tired of serving as a platform for this discussion, including in the comment section, and don’t see the conversation as a productive one. From here on out, the Mondoweiss comment section will no longer serve as a forum to pillory Jewish culture and religion as the driving factors in Israeli and US policy./
Anyway
I guess Jewish culture is on the menu again on this site.
חנוכה שמח. לכל מי שחוגג.
link to youtube.com
So Mondoweiss is now attacking Jewish holidays ?
Way to go Philip.
Since you are comparing us to the old American south and we all know how that story ended i would only urge you Philip to be as idealist as Lincoln was
pack your stuff and move from cozy NYC to our neck of the woods (not really important where to) so you can really be a part of the final resolution ...
(With or without the massive bloodletting)
Protecting women's honor ?
What's that ?
Who from ?
Did she ask her "honor" to be protected?
Just a question why in your novel the mixed couple it's the Arab men and his beautiful Jewish wife?
Why not a Jewish men and his beautiful Arab wife ?
I wasn't talking about Hamas they always have been very sincere
about their intentions it's their western "liberal" supporters i am talking about...