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Apartheid colonialism is at the heart of Jewish identity, Gorenberg says.
We can only hope not.
Progress!
"Zionist leaders truly believed that the establishment of a Jewish homeland would benefit the local non-Jewish population"
Horse manure.
Bravo!
How's the book coming on, Phil?
And it always was.
It the glowing realisation that jewish colonialism since Balfour has produced apartheid conditions, and that the jewish colonists in Israel and the West Bank need to be comprehensively de-privileged, which is the basic foundation of the BDS movement.
I'm not sure that colonialist-orientated jews are moving right; what is happening in part is that their colonial views, long held, are becoming intermittently and splutteringly less viable on the 'left'.
Dont forget that Palin met with AIPAC almost immediately after being chosen by McCain.
It's better to think of all the jews who moved to Palestine since 1917 (or even before in some circumstances) and their descendants as 'settlers'. Just as you would with the French in Algeria, or whites in South Africa.
Well, it turns out that many states can be authoritarian and legitimate to a large degree to many of their citizens. But colonial apartheid states will never be legitimate to the native population oppressed to maintain the privileges of the racist colonials, so Israel is never going to have this woman's acceptance.
"It is hard for me to understand how Israel can be reconstituted, can gain legitimacy, until it is accepted by the lady whose handbag Cooper inspected."
Meaning, that such legitimacy is impossible, no?
Israel has long ago delegitimised itself. Some are however waking up the fact.
How long did it take Harvard to pull investments out of South Africa?
Critics of South Africa frequently accuse it of racism in its treatment of black Africans. Sometimes, the charge is apt.
And once again, Israel has been dominantly right-chauvinist for many decades.
Is colonial apartheid a 'grievance'?
Zionism has damaged American pluralism.
"apartheid is a despicable political system that is fundamentally at odds with ... core Jewish values"
Maybe, maybe not.
Notice I am not talking about a Jewish state or a binational state or actual numbers, I am talking about recognition of this basic human rights issue.
In fact, recognition of actual numbers is absolutely essential: hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Palestinians must be allowed to return to Israel. Without any such 'recognition' would become just another way of dispossessing the Palestinians.
Sad to see Etzioni war-mongering.
Why do they persist in trying to defend the indefensible?
Because they're chauvinist bigots?
The obsession with Israel has the same roots, and is just as defensible, as the 'obsession' with apartheid South Africa.
It is in fact an entirely plausible political demand to ask that colonists leave: it is what happened in French Algeria and it is happening in South Africa as well, where the Afrikaaners and other whites 'have no home to go to' but are in fact leaving for Europe, the US and Australia etc as their privileges vis-a-vis the native population are withdrawn. It is also not correct to write that "the land taken from the Palestinians by Jewish immigrants with no right to it barring a Biblical title deed" but much better to say that "the land was taken from the native population by chauvinist colonists backed by European political power, as happened in many other places in Africa, Asia etc". And there is no "uncomfortable echo in her words of the chauvinism underpinning demands from some Jews – and many Israelis – that Palestinians should “go home to the 22 Arab states” -- the latter claims is as if the Apartheid government of South Africa had proposed to expel all black South Africans 'home' to the rest of Africa. Asking colonists to leave is very different from demand for the removal of the native population.
In other words, this defence of Helen Thomas is not enough of a defence: asking for the decolonisation of relations between Palestinian arabs and jews, which will inevitable result in many jews leaving as their privileges are withdrawn, is entirely reasonable demand. In fact it is an essential part of any solution.
The solution to colonial apartheid is decolonisation, which will mean many jews leaving Palestine.
Decolonisation is going to have to be part of any long-term solution - certainly the decolonisation of the relationship between jews and arabs in Palestine and the end of the colonial privilege that Israeli jews currently enjoy i.e. the equalisation of their standard of living with the Palestinians will induce many jews to leave for Europe or the United States.
It reminds me of Clinton supporters efforts to use "music" to counter Obama-mania in the primaries.
Its actually about decolonisation, not getting a 'state'.
The magic of bloggingheads.
Bloggingheads.tv is a great wonder of the modern world.
Legally obliged means little or nothing in international politics of course.
Jewish supremacy is exactly it. Recognisable from Cape Town.
There's no 'decline' of course. Israel has been demonstrating this sort of chauvinism for decades.
It's the chauvinist population that creates the bandit government in Israel. In fact the Israeli government is probably somewhat less chauvinist than the Israeli voters.
Racist settler colonialism is also a sewer. Everything said in its defense stinks of a foul odor.
Is Finkelstein's Gaza book going to appear on Amazon? Not there yet.
And Richard Witty, into the bargain!
The "New Afrikaners" is much better than 'Israel apologists' -- what they are apologising for is apartheid, which is exactly what the Afikaners were about as well.
The point is to include in the characterisation that these people are apologising for ethnic chauvinism.
It's one state AND de-privileging the jewish colonials which is required, just as the end of apartheid in South Africa required de-privileging the white colonials.
It's like reading the New Republic.
Can we see the debate online or podcast?
Israel has never been on the path to peace and so cannot 'return' to it.
Reminds me: is Finkelstein's Gaza book going to be available on Amazon?
Is the book available in English?
It's racist settler colonialism which devours the good parts of every political project based on it. And therefore the problem is the 'occupation plus colonialism' from 1917 onwards.
Bravo, Desmond.
The two state solution is apartheid. Equality calls for the one state solution with an arab majority.
We support Israel in its quest for apartheid colonialism.
Indeed, during Apartheid South Africa, there were lots of people who focussed on White colonial supremacy and not so much on the maltreatment of Africans by African leaders. But anyone who used the latter to attempt to legitimise the former would have been clearly recognised as a colonial bigot. The same with Apartheid Israel.
Has already lost it, I think.
I am still staggered by the amount of money that must be going into this.
I didn't read the whole thing but the central point about Zionism which must be overturned is its colonialism, and so looking for a license for further colonialisation or keeping particular colonies completely misses the point of the one-state solution. People are always squirming to find new ways to validate the racists in the settlements, and you should not fall for any of these proposals.
Colonial apartheid is not legitimate. So the increasing understanding of Israel as a racist colonial project does tend to delegitimise it.
Apartheid is fun for the colonials.
We were just discussing Robert Wright here a few weeks ago, where some of us noted his weakness for 'fakery' in discussions of ME politics. Looks like he's improving. Maybe he reads Mondoweiss...?
link to mondoweiss.net
Where do does the money come for all these fellows at dozens(?) of universities? Even small stipends are a large cash outlay when multiplied up.
Good for you. Enjoy.