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Retired. Married for 24 years to Palestinian-American, Quaker. Myself of Jewish descent, non-religious. Classical musician (cello). Run my own website,, for which I do all the programming (PHP, MYSQL). Favor an international intervention, as a "deus ex machina", to rescue Palestinians, Israelis, and USA from the tail-wags-the-dog AIPAC-et-alius. This probably means doing an end-run around USA's UNSC veto and doing more-or-less coordinated BDS at nation-state level. Non-Action on Global Warming is a far bigger threat to all the world than the 63-year non-action on Israel/Palestine. On this topic, I am truly hopeless: "I cry a tear for the soon to be late humanity."


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  • 'Heart-wrenching, harrowing, transfixing' -- NYT needs to end blackout on Blumenthal
    • YF: Rejected not "identity" but uniformity with the hard-line Zionism that rejects any principled criticism (and which rejects support for all of BDS).

      My sense is that among, for instance, the Open Hillel crowd of young people, are Jews who are fiercely determined to maintain a Jewish identify -- why else bother with Hillel? -- but fight the (to them as to me) un-Jewish claiming-to-be-communal demand for uniformity. That pro-Israel "community" was zilch historically, before 1930, even before 1967, but got a shot in the arm from Israeli militarism after June 1967. It badly, very badly indeed, confused their understanding of Jewish community or of Judaism. There's a back-swing today.

  • Rand Paul gets the 'soul' of the American people: stop killing Muslims on global TV
  • Now there's a 'Birthright' for those over 26 and intermarried -- 'Honeymoon Israel'
    • With FIFA under USA's attack, does FIFA respond by attacking USA (and thus Israel) or by cozying up (a quasi plea bargain or immunity deal)?

    • SS: Palestinian (or other Arab)? Lovely question. Thanks.

      I am intrigued by the allowing (not requiring) intermarriage. Sounds a bit like trying to get the children to be raised "Jewish" (that is to say, in context, RWZionist).

  • 'NYT' again acts as Netanyahu's mouthpiece -- wrongly suggesting he wants talks with Palestinians
  • 'This land is ours. All of it is ours': Meet the Netanyahu cabinet members focused on fighting BDS & annexing the West Bank
    • There's quite a bit of land in Central America of which the descendants of certain earlier "owners" might well say, echoing these Bible-Thumping Israelis, "It's all Mayan". I don't believe that American Navahos or Apaches etc get very far with that argument, but they -- sadly for them -- aren't granted Chosen-People-Hood by US Pols and certain casino owners.

  • Obama equates Israel's creation to African-Americans gaining right to vote
    • A nice on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand statement. A little heavy on the dear, sweet, little Israel stuff but Obama is a politician and is probably concerned with getting Hillary or another Democrat elected. No sense enraging Jewish donors or Jewish voters.

      Now, if BDS were to bring enough Americans to demand serious action, Obama could make almost the same speech, but say that international law and human rights, etc., etc., demand action, and that action would not be contrary to Israel's security -- merely to its (ahem) grabbiness. But the time for that speech is not yet.

  • Sheesh: A conservative response to the special relationship
    • Geo Lakoff is confused, at least as far as applying his strict-father theory to "conservative" politicians.

      The latter strongly (how strongly? Let me count the ways!) support giveaways to entities they approve of, usually successful corporations, but in this case, a successful nasty pipsqueak regime, Israel. These strict-father folks -- although more than adequately skinflinty and denying and strict to the poor, the sick, the workers, the old, and all other human needy -- actually like to dole out favors, profitable contracts, tax breaks, regulatory relief, even the opportunity to draft legislation (such as the Cheney energy statute drafted in secret by big-energy honchos) and to draft treaties (such as the draft TPP protection-of-international-investors treaty misleadingly called a "free trade treaty") for submission to Congress. These "conservatives" believe in the use of extra-large shovels to shovel out treasure from the federal fisc for the benefit of these sorts of "deserving rich" and require no work or anything else from them in exchange, not even much in the way of paying taxes.

      (Liberals are also contradictory: although they support the sick, the lame, the poor, the old, etc., they also support the big-banks, big-energy, big-defense, etc. And, of course, big-Zion.)

  • The end of hasbara? 'NYT' readers question US support for apartheid
    • Good analysis. If the NYT prints reader comments (I gather in the print edition), even if they choose more "balance" for their own "picks", it means that (while they have not given up championing Israel, hence the differently slanted NYT "picks") they are ready to show, in print, what is actually going on in the general perceptions.

      They've dipped a toe in the, to them, freezing waters of truth-telling, Took long enough.

      Anyone want to start a pool on the day the NYT's "news" pieces from Jerusalem include quotes from Palestinians as of equal weight with quotes from Israeli Jews and citations of international law as if it were a norm rather than an ancient and obsolete text, an inexplicable and bizarre hobby-horse of a few misguided souls.

  • Maybe next time it's Arab Americans who will be interned by U.S. gov't -- Rand Paul launches filibuster
    • I imagine I don't join Rand Paul in all his positions, but on these matters he is right on -- and a hero of our times. "Writs of Assistance". I read a whole book about them once, by Malcolm Freiberg, a Massachusetts historian.

      Who'd have thought they would pop up in a Congressional speech today?

  • Edward R. Matthews
    • Phil: " I’d make this challenge to him: Bobby Kennedy died in part because our policy in Israel and Palestine maddened a Palestinian American– 20 years after George Marshall, the secretary of state whom Matthews honored for “character” on his show the other day, said that US recognition of Israel would lead to endless unrest. It’s now been almost 70 years of unrest in that region, extending into neighboring countries in part because of neoconservative warmongering, with a massacre in Gaza just last summer. Maybe it’s time for our country to go back to the drawing board?"

      Glorious idea. Not to the drawing board just yet, but if "Edward R" wants to recite that little bit of history and his enormous respect for G. Marshall and love for Bobby K, and point up the connections and history, all 70 years of "unrest", and point as well to today's Zionist moneyed war-mongers busy renting the Republican Candidates and tying them to war with Iran, the American public would get a valuable history lesson and maybe respect State Department folks a bit more who give good advice.

  • Understanding the 'S' in BDS: It's time to demand sanctions on Israel
    • "In addition to that, the United Nations as an international body and its member states hold a legal obligation “to take joint and separate action in co-operation with the [United Nations] for the achievement of… universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms".

      Well, hmmm. And the Fourth Geneva Convention requires its signatories to "ensure respect" for "the convention" "in all circumstances". And I take "ensure" to imply acting, not merely speech-making, in furtherance of the convention. So, yes, sanctions.

      And we've seen none against Israel. And we wait.

      The problem is a problem of will, a problem of states overcoming the pressures (economic, military, diplomatic) -- especially those imposed by the USA -- in favor of acting to ensure human rights for a small people who have no oil, no army, not even many terrorists (!), and are thus negligible my most realpolitik measures -- which accounts for why the Palesinians have been neglected.

      Perhaps this may change. BDS has had some successes and especially in Europe the people are pressing their governments. (Even the USA Congress is a bit worried.)

  • Civil Rights Groups Tell Gov. Pence: Don’t stifle free speech -- Support for BDS is not Anti-Semitism
    • Let's see whether, in the good governor's eyes, a belief in civil rights (Americans') trumps the political expediency which caused the legislature to act.

  • 'NYT' obit turns the murderous settler rabbi into a 'contentious firebrand'
    • Of course, the NYT folks are paid -- they are on salary and hope to remain so. But they may also be "true believers". It would surely make the job much easier! Prostitution is (perhaps) the world's oldest profession, and these people are nothing if not professional.

    • Touchy, touchy! NYT obits are often politically altered, trimmed, adjusted, modified, prettied.

      Example: when Richard Arens died, NYT wrote up a lovely obit, just lovely ( link to ) except that it neglected to mention that Arens (brother of Moshe Arens, an Israeli Defense Minister) was an ardent proponent of Palestinian rights and for a time a member and official of a group that I was media chairman of, called: SEARCH for Justice and Equality in Palestine/Israel.

      Careless of mother NYT! But you cannot include every good thing in an obit, can you?

  • The Missouri History Museum's Palestine Exception: A case study on how the St. Louis Jewish establishment exercises power & privilege
    • Once again, censorship because of pressure from moneyed Zionist voices. Together with a readiness by Levine to hear and be sympathetic to that pressure.

      Levine was not scurrilous originally, because originally she allowed the event to be scheduled.

      She was not anti-Palestinian then; but later. She saw no need for other voices then; but later. She did not require other voices (police voices?) w.r.t. Ferguson, no balance needed there, early or later! And no other voices needed for the Mexican tragedy.

      So Levine is not naturally a censor, not naturally a requirer of balance (by other voices) on all issues of current events. But becomes a censor and a requirer of balance when told to do so by moneyed Zionist voices.

      Your American society and its rules (most of them -- see below) at work!

      Here's a wrinkle. The Museum appears to be some sort of a public institution. It might therefore be subject to the First Amendment, in which case it cannot properly censor speech because of content. It has not suggested that it cancelled the event to prevent riots, fire, or brimstone (Ha!). So has it not violated the event's organizers' constitutional rights by this cancellation?

  • The U.S. is at last facing the neocon captivity
    • Phil: Fantastic historical essay. thanks.

      However: " * * * at last had come into the White House were able to sell a vision of transforming the Middle East that was pure wishful hokum but that they believed: that if Arab countries were converted by force into democracies, the people would embrace the change and would also accept Israel as a great neighbor. "

      Phil, you write "but that they believed" ?? Do you have evidence of that?

      Some people take orders, or take direction for purposes of careerism who say things that they don't at all believe, maybe things that they've never thought about. If Israel told you to say something, would you necessarily believe it?

      Witness Jeb Bush tangling himself up recently about the Iraq war. He was stumbling, trying to remember what his handlers had told him was the "right" answer -- the "right answer" today, maybe not in 2003, when nearly the whole Congress said what their handlers told them was the right answer, "Yes to war!!!". Who knows what a politician believes? Especially in this age of big-money-openly-renting-politicians-mouths.

  • Congress and state legislatures are on the warpath against BDS
    • DS: Students are trying to use BDS as political speech to achieve a political goal. That's consistent with the constitution. By contrast, some governments are trying to limit political speech and politically-motivated action by legislating against such speech and action. Some at least of that (the speech part) is inconsistent with our constitution.

      Also, the 1947-50 war was started by Jewish terrorists who acted first against the British to induce UNGA action and British withdrawal. Later but still before Israel self-declared, there was many terrorist attacks by Jews against Arabs, as at Deir Yassin. "War" as between states did not start until rather late in the game and long after Jewish terrorism had already expelled many Palestinians, who in general had no arms and no military training and could not fight a war though they might have wished to do so.

      The "war" came long after the Jewish Agency claimed to accept the UNGA 181 but saw it come to nothing as the Arabs rejected it. Therefore, Israel was not in any sense a fulfilment of UNGA 181. Rather, it was the fruit of an act of terrorist aggression by Jews against Arabs aimed at dispossessing them and seizing their land -- at which it was successful.

  • Netanyahu: Jerusalem was always the capital 'of the Jewish people alone'
    • Are broken cameras and broken heads sufficiently similar to broken glass that we may fairly call "Jerusalem day" (as celebrated ) a rebirth of "kristallnacht"? Seems mighty fascist to me.

  • 'NYT' public editor faults paper for failing to quote Jews who support BDS
    • ADL is a Zionist organization -- and therefore not a Jewish organization (even if it is an organization chiefly or entirely peopled by people who, like me, label themselves "Jews", it is religious and that religion has little to do with old-fashioned Judaism).

      Do Jews, by any chance, tell the story about the Golden Calf, perhaps each year as part o the Passover seder?

  • 'So wait, the Nakba is…?': Listening to Israelis discuss the Nakba
    • "These kinds of answers make you realise that they have never even thought about how the state of Israel was created."

      Hunh?? No, it means they never heard the word. But, of course, this itself is strange, because, wasn't there a recent Israeli law passed to make it illegal to celebrate the Nakba (or to do it on Israeli independence day)? You'd think the law might have recited the N-word. But, it might have used a Hebrew word for catastrophe.

  • 'Forward' ad on all the great ways to be Jewish doesn't mention Israel
  • The 'New York Times' is now a pro-Israel weapon. Who decided that, I don't know
    • JM: Agreed. The oligarchy (not democracy) is in full control. Also of NYT of course.

      Thus the president's outrageous hewing to the TPP line, including "fast track". The whole thing is a by-global-business, for-global-business, maybe even "of" -- global-business enrichment tool disguised as a trade (or "free" trade!) treaty. The oligarchs hire the congress, hire the president, and get the treaty they want, not a treaty the people should want. FAST TRACK passed the senate today. The up-down vote to follow soon I'd guess.

      And our progressive (so he hinted once) president is OKing oil-drilling in the most fragile environment -- the arctic. And slow-walking on climate change.

      Don't have kids.

  • Rubio calls out Clinton over settlements -- and his biggest donor funds one
    • Don't you just love the way people can be confused between a group of financiers and a group of large Jewish donors? Guess it's basically the same guys wearing different hats. (What did the Protocols say? I never read them.)

      When I complain about governance bi the BIGs and mention BIG-ZION and BIG-BANKs as different categories I never fail to think of the likelihood of overlaps. Jewish banksters? Who'd a thot? Monsanto run by a Zionist? Could be! and not necessarily Jewish either, for that matter. Big-Health-Insurance run by a friend of Israel? why not? Defense industries? don't get me started, but they'd have different reasons for wishing to keep the arms race racing in M/E.

  • 'NYT' plays shameless propagandist for Israel's threats to kill Lebanese civilians
    • Is this all a "signal" to Hezb to stop interfering with the war in Syria? To stop helping Iran to aid Shi'a? To stop hurting the Al-Qaeda affiliate that Israel is working with? Or is it just time to test (and demonstrate to the weapons-buying crowd) some very new Israeli weapons which flatten whole towns?

  • Matthews says Bush is pandering on Israel to get 'huge money', but his guests won't help him out
    • Why do newspapers ever report on bad stuff, anywhere? If they cover even one "bad stuff" story and don't get a "Why do you pick on XXX", their way should thereafter be clear to pick on (I mean report on) places people really care about, such as *gasp* Israel. If they then get flak (why do you pick on Israel), they can say," well, aren't you picky and focused! When we reported on XXX where were you complaining about misplaced focus?" the focus is inh the complainers, not in the reporting.

  • 'Forward' reports what 'NYT' covers up: Jews for BDS
    • As to the NYT story: Is there an anti-Pulitzer prize that can be awarded for the worst example of such horrible "journalism"?

    • Imposing preferences (for Jews) on other Jews? It's all part of Zionism's principal raison d'etre, namely, fear and the teaching and propagation of fear among Jews, especially the fear of the wiping out of the "Jewish People". Jews must be taught that they must protect the "Jewish People" who have -- it would seem, under that teaching at least -- no reason to exist other than to fear and avoid being wiped out.

  • Rubio's biggest backer says U.S. must be 'global military power' so that we can sustain Israel
    • "the young Jews living here who really do not understand how much Israel means to them". So, he knows better than all Jews in America including those who don't know what he believes he knows.

      AND he doesn't seem to love America; no sign of it here anyhow. He makes himself seem to be not just an Israel-Firster but an Israel-Onlier: "I worry about that because I really believe that a strong America is the greatest factor which insures a great Israel and a sustaining Israel. A weak America poses a threat to the future of Israel. So I concern myself about the United States, our economy, and the general situation in this country." (bold added).

  • Ilan Pappe on the western awakening and what it means for Israel/Palestine
    • Pappe sees the disconnect between knowledgeable people and the political elites. And doesn't quite understand it, although he does know about political money (in Australia).

      In my view, on this topic (governmental paralysis I/P) as also on the topic of governmental paralysis on climate change, what appears to me is that our (USA and maybe all Anglophone countries) have chosen to make politicians, in effect -- in real effect -- quasi if not actual psychopaths. That is to say, our politicians put short-term advantages to themselves ahead of all other concerns, and far ahead of any kind of moral concerns and ahead of any concerns whatever for the lives of people, whether in existence or in future. And the reason they have so transformed themselves is that the big-money-in-politics has made them subservient to the controllers of big-money-in-global-business, the CEOs that I call our "oligarchs". The oligarchs pull the strings on all government matters that matter to them, usually money matters but also Zionism (as we so well know), and weapons-to-the-people (NRA as front for gun manufacturers). And the politicians have grown so used to kao-tao-ing to the money that they not only don't think twice about it but are in fact chosen by the big-money-boys as candidates in the pre-primaries according to their readiness to act the part, to act as a psychopath if they are not one in fact. and the oligarchs have none but short-term financial interests themselves (apart from Big-Zion perhaps, which has a single-issue concentration which shuts out humanity as surely s money-concentration does). So the oligarchs meet my definition (perhaps not the usual one) of psychopath, and seek their own short-term gain though the heavens fall, and this is particularly noticeable in their putting the kibosh on action to mitigate climate change, where the USA has been monumentally indifferent to future calamity.

      Pappe should not be in doubt about the inaction of the politicians despite the progress of opinion of the citizenry. The system is built to make the opinion of the public effectively irrelevant.

  • 'NYT' and 'MSNBC' leave Marco Rubio backer's Israel agenda out of the story
    • Right Debakr. A slip of Phil's pen so to speak. The article mentions he is a big supporter of Israel only once. ZIONISM is, of course, the issue, not Jewishness. Braman's Jewishness is likely to be the source of his Zionism, but so what? Even if he were a billionaire Christian Evangelist Zionist, Zionism and support for Israel are what's important, not Jewishness, in this political context, namely, bribery or its near equivalent in support of Israel.

      However: "We don’t learn that Braman is Jewish– and that he believes that Israel’s creation revolutionized Jewish life in the west. " So, we actually see that he is not only Jewish and a Zionist, but that he believes that the creation (and presumably the continuation indefinitely) of Israel is a strengthener of his kind of Jewish life in the USA. He doesn't need Israel as a safe haven nor in any other way than to bolster his life here in the USA. At a guess, he supports racism there to avoid it here. (A non-Jewish Zionist mightn't care about strengthening Jewish life in the USA.) He's a Zionist because of the nature of his Jewishness, just as many anti-Zionist Jews are anti-Zionists because of the nature of their Jewishness. So perhaps his Jewishness is relevant.

      After all.

      And, O/T, I also believe that Zionism has transformed Jewish life in the USA, most dreadfully and regrettably. Jewishness used to be centered on religion or community and is now a sort of horrible you-must-agree-with-the-program fifth-column political platform.

    • TPP? Russia? ISIS? Syria? Where better to broaden his education than Israel! Better than a university. And all that money!

  • Front-page attack in New York Times says BDS movement is driven by minorities' 'hostility toward Jews'
    • just: Maybe "international openness" refers to the welcoming committee at BG airport and the frequent humiliate-them-and-then-send-them-back actions.

    • They should welcome him wearing a kippa but not draped in an Israeli flag. Good grief, how insensitive. An agent provacateur?

    • Irish -- Listening to Obama, it may be that the new " I’m not now nor have I even been a member" thing is criticism of TPP (cf. Elizabeth Warren). That is, the new "communism" is criticism of global-capitalism-protected-by-sovereignty-abandoning-treaties-and-agreements (NAFTA and friends, now the proposed TPP and TTIP). Also BDS and other perceived-to-be-anti-Israelism, but not so much!

    • Irish -- good points! Imagine trying to agitate for a change in the statutes in a country where there is a "criticizing Israel is a felony" statute. Let's see how it might go:

      Citizens, I ask you to join me in demanding a change in the laws of our great country. I demand enactment of a statute which explicitly allows citizens and guests in our country to speak and to publish criticism of any country for violations of international law , where those violations have been stated by the International Court of Justice and by the UN Security Council. After all, if such speech and publication are not allowed, how will our citizens demand changes in the foreign policy and trade policy of our country in regard to any country which has been determined to be such a violator of international law? And also, how will our public be informed of these facts if such speech and publication are punishable? I refer you all to the law presently known as Section 12345 of the Penal Statutes which makes it a felony to criticize Israel.

      Might scrape by. Then again, might be held a thinly-veiled criticism of Israel.

  • 'Israel should extend the right of return to all Palestinian refugees' -- Jebreal in 'The Nation'
    • lysias: All those kindly folk appointed by Hillary Clinton? Caesar's wife was quasi-Caesar ? And now she wants to be the real thing? And the fems will support her because she is biologically female. (Isn't Netanyahu's wife rather famous for interfering with appointments?)

    • They don't act as if in retreat. They act as if they were on top of the world, safe from all threats, as if granted full immunity and full impunity for all crimes. The army, the border police, the judiciary, the settlers, the government.

    • All praise to Rula Jebreal and to The Nation, which has surely turned an important corner in choosing to publish her essay.

      Some "liberal Zionists" have decried BDS if applied to all of Israel, presumably because they fear an Israeli backlash against the perceived "destroy Israel" or "Israel is illegitimate" message of such an all-Israel-BDS. They say it will be counter-productive. Just BDS the OPTs they say.

      Well, today there are no more than the merest stirrings of any all-Israel-BDS movement, tiny progress in getting the Palestinian story "out", but already Israel has become the most right-wing, racist, really, really scary place that it is easy to imagine (easy to imagine it becoming, that is, for people steeped in a pro-Jewish outlook, as I am).

      So it is (to my mind) a toss-up whether all the pro-Palestine work people are doing is actually for the best. If it is having any effect at all, it appears to be eliciting the worst from Israel. Maybe it is only such a "worst", and indeed something far worse than we've seen yet, that will catch the ethical sensitivity of the EU and USA.

  • Netanyahu deputy charged with administering Palestinians says they are 'beasts, not human'
  • Bedouin village razed 83 times must pay $500,000 for demolitions, Israel says
    • I do so expect. And I am so sad to see the rest of the nations allowing this sadism without taking a strong action to stop it. It's like those cultures which think (the men think) it's OK for men to beat/rape their wives. the police and courts do not intervene. In the case of I/P, the UNSC and EU and USA just treat it like the most natural of things, "That is what governments do, my dear!" they explain.

    • "making 2SS impossible" is just hogwash. If Israel is allowed to maintain its settlements, then it may of course prevent 2SS. that's true. But it's a big "if". If Israel is not strong-armed, it'll be apartheid til the heavens fall. And no 2SS.

      OTOH, if Israel is strong-armed, then it will presumably do whatever the strong arm demands. That would be the theory. And I cannot imagine a "power" (EU, UNSC, whatever) going to all the trouble to force Israel to do a negligible thing. Removing all or most settlement buildings and settlers is what I'd expect any strong-arming-power to demand. And that is not a negligible thing.

      But it is not the "E1" settlements or any other settlements that seem to make 2SS impossible. It is that blessed love-child, Israel.

    • I meant "wave land deeds", not "waive land deeds".

    • The villagers must apply, loudly and with as much fanfare and help as possible, for a grant from the EU to pay the fine and to pay for rebuilding.

      This is a quintessential Israeli crime which can understood on many levels -- but one of those levels is that it is a test of EU (and USA for that matter) tolerance for Israeli state terrorism and state theft, here theft from indigenous people who waive land deeds.

      If the people of EU learn of this (the learning is of course of great importance) and rear up on their hind legs and demand that their countries pay this fine for the Bedouins, there may be a foo-fur-ah which might [1] stop Israel in its tracks, [2] get the EU to recognize the essential racist continuation of the Nakba, now 67 years after 1948, as something that must be recognized as such, commented upon, and stopped.

      BTW, even though many countries say, from time to time, that they recognize Israel as a state with a defined territory and define that territory as Israel-48, Israel itself clearly doers not do so, as its asserted or so-called annexations of Golan and East Jerusalem show clearly. that being the case, Israel has no foot to stand upon to support a claim that the Negev is "Israeli territory" and that it has a right to dispose of it as it wishes. The Negev, as all of Israel, is occupied territory only, and all countries should start to refer to it that way until peace treaties define actual agreed and recognized borders.

  • Senator Cardin's double standard on nukes in the Middle East
  • An open letter to Pamela Geller
  • Jeb Bush flipflops on brother George because he needs character reference for the Israel lobby
    • When a waiter spills the 47% beans, it gets reported. Spilling the Israel beans, maybe not so much.

    • One is tempted to refer to Israel as a hornet's nest in the Middle East which needs very much to be eradicated. Query for Mr. Alex Benjamin: Should one give in to the temptation?

    • Keep it all public, let Israel hang out in public. Good for the USA to see The Lobby (™) in action, to see the politicians bending to the oligarchs who own everything in the USA, and why shouldn't they also own the republican (and other) candidate-hopefulls for president?

  • Not a single Muslim is quoted in 'NYT' profile of Geller
    • Be interesting to see someone in USA, say Texas, advertise (or stage a cartoon contest regarding) a far-right rabbinical statement (as some of Israel's military rabbis seem to have made) saying that it's OK to kill non-Jews in Israel's occupation (perpetual "war") against Palestinians. You know, quoting this (extreme) rabbinical position as if it were an across-the-board position of Jews generally.

    • As a result of Geller's horrible assault on Muslims by Transit Ads, New York's MTA has now banned all political advertising: link to

      This bans Geller but also bans pro-Palestine ads (to say nothing of all other political advertising).

      From reading the present post, I imagine that NYT did not mention the NYC ban triggered by Geller in the story about Texas.

      MW should.

  • A response to the 'Washington Post' blogger who calls me an anti-Semite
    • He says, does he?, that AIPAC is just like the rest of American political corruption, no different and no worse? If Big-Oil can attempt to bring on the end-of-the-world by opposing action on climate change, where's the harm in a much less-severe-in-outcome attempt by AIPAC to subject America to pro-Zionism, with the attendant discomforture of (merely) millions of Palestinians, especially when that discomforture has the benefit of bringing on feelings of euphoria among (not merely !) (one does not say "merely" of Jews!) millions of Zionist Jews ? Are not all lobbies severely blinkered single-purpose eyes-on-the-prize me-first damn-the-torpedoes-aimed-at-others organizations?

      Yes, where is the harm? so quit qvetching (if you are Jewish) and otherwise quit complaining, Mr. Weiss!

  • MSM's platform for Pamela Geller is equivalent to normalizing David Duke and Nazis
    • Imagine a cartoon contest to draw the most hideous caricature of a Jew, a la Die Sturmer for example. Would this be characterized as an "exercise in free speech", as "hate speech", as "incitement to violence" (but whose violence?), or what?

      The deliberate attempt, by full frontal public speech or "art" to attack the sensibilities of any people should be viewed as "hate speech" whether or not made subject to civil or criminal penalties. if someone is hurt in a business like this from the fully (if sadly) predictable violent response that we've seen, there should at least be civil damages agasint the organizer (Geller, here).

      Little boys, it is sometimes said, like to pull the wings off flies. But it is not nice, not to be encouraged. Fie on the press for not taking this line in the first paragraph and skipping all the other paragraphs.

  • 'NY Review of Books' says Tony Judt didn't really mean it when he called for the end of a Jewish state
    • Phil: I think you got this one right. After the fact negators of other people's writings are not to be believed. Especially so many years later.

      A question about the word "anguish" as in your: "it anguished liberal Zionists to hear anyone thoughtful come out against the idea of a Jewish state".

      I've never had a serious operation without anesthetic, but I imagine that "anguish" might be a correct description of my feelings in such a case. But I never see it written ijn such a case. I see it written only about Jews. It is a sort of trade-mark and it has long felt to me that it is a mask, a cover-up, for something that truly (and surely) has other names: "cognitive dissonance" for example. But when I read the writings of such liberal Zionists as express themselves in print, I don't see C.D. much less "anguish". I see rationality or close to. And sometimes I see what seems to me dishonesty, but not always. But not "anguish". For one thing, I do not see the outburst of feeling for the Palestinian victims of Hitler's holocaust-of-Jews and of Israel's Nakba-of-Palestinians.

      Am I wrong? Is the "anguish" really there? Is the care for Palestinians really there? Is, perhaps, the fear of being called "self-hating" really so strong as to suppress all these human behaviors? Or is the "anguish" about other things entirely? Do today's anti-Zionist Jewish youth feel "anguish" for acting against their elders or have they been blessed with mental health and see the world directly and simply (and IMO correctly).

  • 'Washington Post' buries Carter's statement that 'situation in Gaza is intolerable' in last paragraph
    • "Carter gets cold shoulder" could be the more important story although it's ambiguous in impact. To those who regard Carter positively, the snub is pro-Palestine because anti-Israel and anyhow those who regard Carter positively are likely to be (ready to be) pro-Palestine.

      OTOH, some regard Carter negatively and would regard the cold shoulder as natural or even "so what"-ish.

      But of course a reader ought to wonder why Carter went there in the first place (although Israel seems the place all American politicians go, doesn't it?) And to wait for the last paragraph to find out seems a bit -- slow in coming to the point.

  • Gaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk
    • Nevertheless, and notwithstanding, and other high-sounding phrases of mitigation, these soldiers and their officers (up to the highest!) are described by Israel-apologists as "the most moral in the world".

      Could be. What do we know of other armies? Taking ISIS for comparison, perhaps Israel would come out ahead. USA? Russia? China? North Korea? South Korea? Guatemala? Chile? Most of Latin America under the dictators? I have no personal experience to guide me and have read no testimonies, but fear the worst.

      What does seem clear is this: putting international law to one side for the nonce, this behavior by IDF does not seem to me ethical, not even "Jewish" as my limited experience of what "Jewish" might mean leads me to suppose. Especially when I recall one particular detail of Gaza-2014: it was a preplanned "lawn-mowing" Dahiya-style operation, that is, a deliberate mass-killing, triggered by an Israeli assassination and then justified as response to the (to the assassination responsive) rocket fire out of Gaza. That is to say that all that killing and destruction of property cannot be seen simply in terms of laws of war-in-progress but should be seen as felony murder, that is, as killing etc. done in the course of what was initially and "ab ovo" an Israeli crime, a deliberate and law-breaking (felonious) aggression (war-in-initiation). The murderous onslaught and slaughter conducted by Israel was not necessary, was illegal, and should not have occurred.

      In that view, saving the lives of Israeli soldiers "as Israeli civilians" at the cost of Palestinian civilian lives is sickening -- saving the lives of people ordered to be, and who became for the while, murderers is more like it.

  • Palestine’s moment of truth for the International Criminal Court
    • Well, yes, impossible and inconceivable that ICC should ignore. But, then USA has ignored CLIMATE CHANGE, a far, far, far worse matter involving all of human-kind (and all other life forms, what with ocean acidification, melting arctic and antarctic, clearing of tropical forests, etc.) rather than merely (as people who count only with numbers might say) 10 million (?) Palestinians.

      We are dealing with psychopaths here -- people who ignore other life. Why should ICC be any different?

  • Is it a crime to own your own land?
    • This tale of deception and theft by the government of Israel acting, it must be said, very much with the consent and admiration of at least its Jewish subjects -- to say nothing of the consent and admiration (generally without informational foundation) of many Jews outside Israel -- explains to those with eyes to see, ears to hear, and minds willing to understand the passionate anti-Zionism of so many others.

      People who know little of the largely settled bedu of the Naqab (whom Israel persists in describing as settled in unrecognized places, the word "unsettled" describing Israel's wilful failure to recognize what all Palestinians and the British had recognized) might enjoy reading a charming little book, A Bedouin Boyhood by Isaak Diqs.

  • Spanish Jews resisted oppression in tunnels and, exiled, clutched their keys
    • Great story!

      "522 years later, the Spanish government issued a draft law granting Spanish citizenship to descendants of Jews exiled under the infamous expulsion order"

      It's a pattern: Where Christians, Muslims, and Jews are concerned, laws of return (so far) seem always for Jews and not Muslims.

  • Annals of the lobby: Edwards is a bad girl, Zakaria posterizes Saban
    • When the breakup becomes more acceptable, more "the done thing", there will be plenty of rough talk: the prisoners will by then have become free. Morally speaking, the former prisoners of Zion, thin starving skeletons who haven't had the benefit of a soul-cleansing scream at the former prison guards, will be quite loud. "Frankly, Mr. Netanyahu, Zionism sucks; now crawl back into your hole."

    • Not to mention that, as well as enjoying the apparent support of a theoretical underpinning (if that is what Strauss provides), many.most politician and ditto Zionists are psychopaths by which I mean that they put their own desires ahead of everyone else's welfare and have no sympathy for anyone else. Or, in other words:

      "A sense of entitlement, unremorseful, apathetic to others, unconscionable, blameful of others, manipulative and conning, affectively cold, disparate understanding of behavior and socially acceptable behavior, disregardful of social obligations, nonconforming to social norms, irresponsible.

    • Israel has been far more than an ally to the USA for so long that taking positions against Israel itself, or against its practices, or against elements of the alliance -- or against elements of the special relationship: George Washington, are you turning over in your grave? -- probably requires a bit of explanation.

      One can decry ISIS without explanation, but not Israel, for the people have learnt much from our misguided and misguiding MSM, and that much must be challenged and refuted.

      Are young Jews offered BIRTHRIGHT? Then one must offer them a fairly complex BIRTHWRONG. And the same goes for politicians and Zakaria's (pundits?).

      Mondoweiss fills this need but the politicians and pundits who wish to inject the Mondoweiss "line" into MSM need to do some educating.

      I think they will.

  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • The idea of turning a serious evil into a (countervailing) skit is simply wonderful, as is the reset.

      It concluded: “We affirm a Jewishness not tied to state violence. A diasporic Jewishness that welcomes critique and speaks truth to power. We refuse to be complicit in our words, in our actions, or in our silence, to the massacres perpetrated in our name.”

      Terrific. In fact EVERY activity reported here was amazing, funny, lighthearted, ethically-correct, in one word: "PERFECT".

  • As pressure rises on Robbie Williams and UNICEF over Israel gig, conflict of interest emerges between singer and NGO
  • 'Baltimore Is Here': Ethiopian Israelis protest police brutality in Jerusalem
    • Kris, It is indeed complicated for them, but it is not the situation in Israel "on the ground" that is complicated, but the condition of their souls, consciences, loyalties, communal relationships, etc. They have made themselves (or if born to it have been made) prisoners of Zion and cannot escape back into humanity (or back into being Jewish in a pre-Zionist sense).

      They are tied up in a tangle of knots and knots are complicated. Anyone who has had even slight difficulty speaking out (for instance, afraid of being called antisemitic or "self-hating" or being afraid of death threats, as I used to occasionally receive by telephone) can see how much more complicated it could be for anyone caught inside the belly of the beast.

      Of course, it is their duty to escape their prisons.

  • David Horowitz to OSU: 'Jews didn't expel the Arabs in 1948' and 'the occupation is a huge lie'
    • Correction Needed: I have never, never !, heard a Zionist to call for "balance" when an unbalanced pro-Zionist discussion was in question. "Balance" is only for unbalanced pro-Palestine discussions.

      I remember being on a balanced panel (4 speakers) on I/P in 1980s and somehow the topic arose, how should the territory of I/P be re-divided. I suggested 50/50 -- each country to have equal amounts of farmland, seashore, mountains, desert, etc. The Zionist panellist had a marvellous apoplexy as i recall. And that is due to "balance" -- no apoplexy if no Zionist on the panel. Or, to put it another way, no apoplexy from a pro-Palestinian at a discussion if there is no pro-Palestinian at the discussion.

      Have discussions of Zionism/Israel at Hillels typically called for "balance"? What would the rules say?

    • Horowitz: "Great day for America when you support terrorists."

      I read in link to: Richard Silverstein that Israel is supporting Al-Qaeda's affiliate Al-Nusra Front in Syria (as I suppose are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states). Point is this: TODAY (tomorrow is another day!) it pleases our masters in the USA to apply the poisonous label "terrorist" to Al-Qaeda and its affiliates. So when various countries are helping this one to knock against Assad and also against the Shi'a (and Iran), they are aiding terrorists-on-the-list.

      So, Mr. Horowitz, it's a great day when Israel supports terrorists such as al Qaeda, isn't it. Mr. Horowitz, what did you say?

      (Probably the USA should revise its list of "terrorist" organizations, because much of the list doesn't make sense now if it ever did.)

    • Brewer: Thanks. Even the idea of laughter clears the air.

    • Some of these guys must be sociopaths or even psychopaths. (The settlers seem especially to exhibit psychopathic behaviors: gratuitous cruelty, etc.. Politicians and the CEOs of large corporations are often psychopaths (read: The Wisdom of Psychopaths, Dutton).)

      Lying with a straight face is beyond many people, but not beyond Horowitz, apparently, and not beyond many people whose behavior, including honesty-dishonesty-behavior, is driven by social and monetary rewards.

  • Two videos to challenge my liberal Zionist friends
    • Phil: will you speculate on why the president mentioned Dorothy Thompson at all, and what, again your speculation, what he will do next with her name, her reputation, her activities, and her treatment?

  • Night of horror at Ben Gurion airport for two French music students
    • This was a beautiful report of an awful experience. Most awful, of course, is not the wait and the animalistic manner employed by Israel's gatekeepers, but the denial of entry and the denial of a right to visit the music schools, etc.

      This account should be published in a big newspaper. If France's media are less under-the-thumb-of-its-own-AIPAC than the USA's MSM are, perhaps one newspaper can be found which will publish this.

  • Adelson told Jeb Bush that Baker's speech to J St speech cost him 'a lot of money'
    • "Self-hating" as a trash-talk epithet to blacken the reputation of

      someone who disses something you want him to respect (at least if that thing is Israel or perhaps one of its often hard-right policies)

      is nothing new. It is devilishly marvellous in its idiocy. "Self-hating" (is anybody, anybody?, really self-hating?) is clearly a ridiculous description for anyone who proudly (and at some risk to his reputation) bucks a trend.

      I have never, not once, seen anyone who uses the "self-hating" epithet refer to any clinical or other evidence of such a psychological disturbance. Are all those Israeli post-Zionists "self-hating"? Or so regarded by some? By whom?

      What can we learn from people who (still) use the epithet any more? Maybe marc.b 's snarky use of "self-hating" is a way to say that that epithet has at last lost its usefulness. Let us hope so.

    • Wonder how the other oligarchs (big-banks, big-ag, big-defense, oil, coal, etc ad naus) will feel about the openness of this display of buying political favors. And how will voters feel if they learn (but will they learn? who will dare to tell them? Is Colbert still there?) about this buying-up of the Republican candidates in advance.

      There's a civics lesson in there somewhere. Do they still teach "civics" in high school?

  • UC Riverside removes Sabra hummus following student concern over connection to Israeli occupation
    • "stating that the request was easy since there are so many alternative brands and that they don’t want to sell products that upset or offend any students on campus."

      Removing Sabra and Tribe brands is not "selling" anything, but the switcheroo WILL likely offend some students. Dining service cannot avoid offending someone. Battle is not without wounds and injuries. BDS is battle. merely non-violent.

  • Haneen Zoabi's power and vision (and answers to Theodore)
    • She is so brave, yanni. As to Zionism, halas! She is filled to overflowing with the dignity of accepting all human beings and denouncing all tyranny and racism (even when they are sometimes called "democracy").

  • End the two way arms trade between the UK and Israel: Letter by Manchester Jews for Justice for Palestinians
    • "British-based banks, like Barclays and HSBC, finance weapons companies which sell to the Israeli military."

      As I read it, this is a call for people and companies and institutions to divest from and boycott such banks as well as from Elbit, etc.

      If so, this is a sort of double-whammy for these banks. The call is for everyone to get clear of (boycott, divest) these banks (owners of shares to sell, depositors to remove deposits, borrowers to cease borrowing, etc.) and for the banks, for their part, to "clean up" by stopping lending to or owning stock in "companies which sell to the Israeli military."

      Is this the intent?

  • Jewish groups stand in opposition to hate speech and all forms of Islamophobia
    • Many politicians rank high on the sociopathic inventory tests. They don't feel the effects of their cruelty on others, but they like being cruel. Look at all those republicans trying to slash all budgets for "people" while amping up the budgets for "defense" and surveillance (of Americans!). Geller is part of that world, just a little more "out there" and "up front". And telling lies is nothing for those people.

  • Obama's role model to journalists -- Dorothy Thompson -- turned against Zionism and was silenced
    • Thanks Gil. New to me and very refreshing. A near-presidential candidate silenced by The Lobby (tm) or its predecessors. If memory serves, Hillary Clinton was once a friend with Mrs. Arafat. Hmmm, not recently mentioned.

  • Earlham Student Senate passes resolution in support of divestment from Israeli occupation
    • Friends using consensus agreements to do the right thing is impressive, a model for other communities, though not necessarily a model to be strictly emulated -- what with the divisiveness the Zionist opposition always inspires.

      I would like to know about any students at Earlham who may initially not have been comfortable with this outcome (when it was first discussed). What made them change their minds? How have they become comfortable with the outcome?

  • Is there room for liberal Zionists in an anti-Zionist movement?
    • I think someone may have a "therapy" idea here. Yes, a Zionist (and that includes almost any "liberal Zionist") is a racial supremacist. Agreed.

      But some of them may be accessible by appeals to their better angels, if only various fears for Jewish safety can be overcome and fears of Jewish-grotesqueness (that is, racism, KKK-ism, etc.) increased.

      That's, after all, the theory of beginning with I-feel-your-pain messages of, yes the holocaust was awful and we understand where your fears come from. We acknowledge that you and your feelings and fears are estimable and not to be derided.

      But then you go on with saying that there will never be another holocaust, but Jews in America could easily lose their privileges if Jewish-Power (AIPAC) becomes perceived as a subversive movement to subject America to domination by Jews. The way to fight that perception is by a 1960's civil rights effort (human rights effort) on behalf of Palestinians who want, after all, no more than what anybody wants, safety, decency, respect, dignity, a life. why should it be so important to American Jews to deny these things to Palestinians?

      Etc. therapy model. BTW, what are the Open Hillel folks saying, the ones who are not yet "on board" with BDS?

    • This article is, at many points, incomprehensible to me. Perhaps Moor uses shorthands and historic allusions that I don't recognize.

      Putting that criticism to one side, let me say that looking to ultimate conversations, long-continuing dialogues, and unending shilly-shallying is not the only game in town, not the only crisis.

      There is a short-term crisis right here in the USA in the form of legislation nearing votes in both houses of congress seeking to establish punishments for EU (and perhaps other) countries which practice any sort of BDS efforts. This demands big efforts in the USA to turn around.

      It also presents a crisis to the EU countries. Although none of them has established red-blooded sanctions against WB-products and the like, there are halfhearted efforts to demand proper labelling of WB-products, and this feels (in Israel) like a tightening of the noose of BDS. The EU may not like being pushed around by our Congress which has already in so many ways shown itself corrupt, AIPAC-ridden, imperious toward the P5+1 process, etc. But I don't think one can count on EU to thumb its nose at the USA's Congress and laugh at a sanctions regime in the USA aimed at themselves. Businessmen always want to keep doing business after all.

      So, a near-term crisis to go along with long-lasting dialogues. Wonder what the "liberal Zionists" in the USA will have to say about the anti-BDS legislation.

  • One rocket from Gaza outweighs 6 Israeli incursions and 67 attacks
    • This is good stuff. Facts.

      Another good thing is arguments. It would be valuable to get into text what Norman Finkelstein said about the unfairness of the "international law" types blaming Hamas and other Gazans for firing un-aimable "rockets" and mortar shells into Israel as, you know, war crimes. He makes much in that speech of how little damage was done by them, and this essay says about the same.

  • Finkelstein goes to Syracuse and the opposition stays home
    • just watched the video. NF is magnificent when he analyzes anything, and, here, especially when he analyzes (1:00 - 1:22 ?) the 'choices' that international law as interpreted by HRW and AU and I suppose Israel and USA allow Gazans: the choice between dying slowly and dying immediately, because their fighters are restricted to fight ONLY from unpopulated places in that most densely populated place AND are not allowed to fire into Israel any weapons available to them (such as the 'enhanced firecrackers' which both Israel and Hamas, each for its own propagandistic reason, call 'rockets' ; and mortar shells) because these weapons cannot be aimed and thus impermissibly endanger Israeli civilians. It was a powerful analysis, and I was left breathless. (BTW, is Israel allowed to fire mortar shells?)

    • Mooser: It was in here, in the essay:

      I attended Dr Norman Finkelstein’s event Thursday afternoon, pad in hand, ready to record the rantings of the dissenters – those champions of scholarly discourse, moral outrage, and the policies of the government and people of Israel.

      Who could stay home when this self-hating, Jewish-people-hating, delusional ex-professor would address malleable ears? Selfishly, I eagerly anticipated hearing the challenges of those who must rise to counter Norm’s claims. Sadly, with a couple of exceptions, those standing by Israel’s policies chose to stay away.

    • "self-hating, Jewish-people-hating" -- well, which is it? "Self-hating" was always a weird locution, absurd on its face, maybe a power-play by whoever said it ("Look, I can mouth garbage at this guy, I am really powerful and he is really not"). On the other hand, "Jewish-people-hating" makes perfect sense -- it is part of the definition of "antsemitic". It also was rather wierd when applied to self-identifying Jews, but who ever require logic of Zionists?

      It was always a shorthand for this:

      It is an invariable rule among the Jews I hang out with that a Jew (in our group) is the loyal servant of "The Jewish People" as represented by Israel and never, never, never says a cross word about Israel. we Jews watch each other's back. AND YOU DO NOT, YOU DISLOYAL CUR.

      But to say it that way reveals that there is something rather arbitrary going on: that a group that a person does not declare himself a part (Jewish people as represented by Israel) of can demand his loyalty and damn him if he fails to give it. so of course, the long version is never given, just the short-hand ("self-hating").

  • 'Israel First'-- for gay couple who hosted Ted Cruz
    • "And if the boycotting of Reisner and Weiderpass’s businesses allowed people to talk about the effectiveness of boycott as a tool to fight for human and civil rights."

      Very nice point, Phil. And that could also grow into a discussion of the Republican/IsraelFirst amendment to remove trade favors for countries (or is it just EU countries?) that boycott/sanction Israel (or any territory controlled by it).

      It is really disturbing to see gays "forget" about insults to themselves in the USA and cozy-up with politicians who would deny them civil rights BUT who praise Israel for its human-rights to gays (how about to Palestinian gays, hmmmm?).

  • It's time-- again-- for BDS to end oppression
    • Excellent history, parallels, application to Palestine. Thank you Lloyd Nyarota.

      I have often complained about the "mere words" with which the nations at UNGA and UNSC have expressed support for Palestinian rights. Perhaps I am wrong to complain. Getting the behemoth of strong, coordinated international action going is always a long process (there is much inertia and many countervailing economic and other pressures). It can hardly start without an early period of "mere words" and countries like Rhodesia, South Africa, and Israel can reliably be expected to ignore "mere words". So I suppose I should be happy that in 1980, 8 years before PLO recognized Israel, UNSC demanded the removal of all settlers and dismantlement of all settlements (UNSC-465/1980) -- mere words though they proved to be,

  • Mark Shields blasts Adelson for 'making foreign policy for the United States'
    • But by giving to the Republicans, they're hoping (and often succeeding) to keep the Dems in line as well. Watch and listen to Madame Clinton and Warren and Sanders.

    • Pataki advises "that all presidential candidates [be required to] agree to terminate any deal President Obama makes with Iran as a prerequisite to receive support".

      Is this not a direct quid-pro-quo, that is (in this context) an out-and-out bribe? Even if the money is paid as a "campaign contribution"?

  • AIPAC-backed legislation targeting BDS movement advances in Congress
    • Most "pols" have long ago made peace with the devil (political money). It's not just Israel, but selling-out to PROMOTE human-rights abuse is pretty low. OTOH, why would monied people pay to promote virtue?

  • Thorny issues
    • Excellent analogy. Prickly!

      Definition of a very long time used to be "until Hell freezes over." Now it can be redefined as "until Israel seizes Jewish property as 'absentee property' ".

  • EU must take stronger action to sanction Israel following high court decision banning boycott
    • Right on! If (as all "statesmen" know but only a few say out loud) the settlements are illegal (that is, violate the Fourth Geneva Convention), the right step is to demand Israel remove the settlers and dismantle the settlements (read UNSC 465/1980). But if such a demand were to be made again (as it has not been), it must escape from being "mere words" (as UNSC-465 was) which Israel can ignore by being backed up with enforcement sanctions. There is no other way that I can see.

      Someone should really ask EU ministers [1] if they really wish to see justice and 2SS, and if so, [2] what they see as a realistic mechanism of EU intervention to help make this a reality. Whatever can they say but "sanctions"?

  • Using the dead: the 'NYT' works with Israel to justify military service
    • SG: Her grief is real and if you take an expression of her grief as vilification of Israel, then you are wrong. It was vilification, but not of Israel. IMO Mondoweiss also does not vilify Israel, but only its crimes and especially its ongoing crimes. If you take vilification of Israel's crimes as vilification of the country itself, then you must take the position that Israel's crimes are inseparable from itself. If that is true, then too bad for a lot of people.

      Her statement was vilification of Israel's leaders, their arrogance, their refusal to negotiate peace with Egypt -- and of their mis-use of the war-dead and those who mourn for them. She says this. It is clear. And it is not vilification of Israel as a country.

  • Accusations of anti-Semitism roil Stanford campus as student coalition denies discrimination charges
    • I couldn't say that while standing on one foot, but otherwise it fills the bill for an Israeli. since I am not an Israeli I could imagine an Israeli saying: I do not advise anyone anywhere what to buy or with whom to contract or how to vote or act as a member of any legislature or government. speaking merely for myself, and advising no-one, my intention is not to buy * * * from OPTs.

    • Agreed. However, to avoid the antisemitism rap, they should have [1] tape recorded it all (like videos of police at work) and [2] asked her how, in light of her known pro-Zionism, she would vote on divestment.

      Hint: you can be a Zionist without being a Jew and vice-versa. But I assume her Zionism was by then already known.

  • In defense of Cornel West's prophetic voice
    • People become aware of important problems at different times, even though in some sense the information is available. Info on Palestine first got to me in 1980, though I married a Palestinian in June 1967 (she was quiet on this until 1980, out of fear that my Jewish background might make me a Zionist, though I never heard much about Israel either).

      Climate change has been named by scientists way, way back, but is still badly understood in the political "echelon" by people who have deep gut understanding of people and politics but little understanding of "nature" and "science".

      MLK may have been a Zionist out of a sincere conviction based on the holocaust and without information on Nakba etc. (like many older Jews in America). OTOH it may have been a political "compromise" to win friends at the cost of a dispensable people. How often have we heard that "some of my best friends are Jews" said by people excusing either their own Zionism or their failure to be active anti-Zionists -- based on the often correct presumption that their Jewish friends are Zionists. I once attended a Friends Meeting where the joke that "some of my best Friends are Jews" played out, sadly, in the prominence of a Zionist agitator.

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