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Canadian, 71, female, WASP, writer, former college English teacher, librarian. A relative newcomer to Palestine/Israel issue.


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  • Responding to commenters on recent bannings
    • Phil, you've not given a satisfactory explanation for banning Jeff Blankfort.

      Can you point to one reprehensible statement by Jeff? Was he warned about forbidden topics before his banning?

      To place Richard Witty in the same category as Jeff Blankfort is an insult. Jeff is a hero, a pioneer of the anti-Zionist movement in America. You say Jeff is your friend, your mentor. This is a disgraceful way to treat a friend and mentor. Do you not understand this? Do you not understand why some of us are so angry?

      You must rescind Jeff's banning. To do otherwise is to commit a grave injustice.

  • Norman Finkelstein slams the BDS movement calling it 'a cult'
    • FreddyV asked you a question, hophmi. Are you going to answer?

      "Would you accept an Israel based on 78% of the land, move the settlers out of Palestine and acknowledge RoR in the form of compensation if that gave Israel peace?"

    • ahadhaadam's comment profile reads: "Israeli ex-Zionist, calling to expose and abolish Israeli Apartheid, to be replaced by one state of its citizens."

      He's living the nightmare, Kathleen. hophmi isn't and neither are you and I. The words abolish and destroy have equal meaning to him, I would imagine.

    • Maybe no one here cares, and maybe BDS will continue to grow (pressure on Israel that leads to negotiation is a good thing) but Arab Land vs Jewish Land will only lead to war and misery.

      Agreed, Tokyobk, pressure on Israel that leads to negotiation is a good thing. Maybe BDS will provide this, maybe in time the US gov't. Perhaps you yourself could help by supporting the Israeli peace movement. Perhaps you do this already?

    • It means what Omar Barghouti says is his goal; to see two states, Palestine next to Palestine.

      Give us a reference for this statement, tokyobk.

  • Twenty Israeli military vehicles descend on village south of Hebron, demolish 22 buildings, displace 120 Palestinians
  • Likud party members issue call to storm al-Aqsa mosque next Sunday
  • Asher Grunis discriminates his way to the top of the Israeli Supreme Court
    • isn’t there a level of self imposed separation wrt some interpretations of judaism anyway?

      Have a look at this article, annie. It appears there are three systems or 'camps', the Sadducean, the Pharisaic, and the Essenes who emphasized small collectivist communities as the means to fulfill the percepts of the Torah.

      The New Jewish Public: Reinventing World Jewry: How to Design the World Jewish Polity by Daniel J. Elazar

      link to

  • The Israel Lobby on campus in Illinois: A challenge for BDS
    • The Lobby analysis, if you can call it that, has become a doctrine, and it’s become a cult, especially on this website.

      David, this is not an argument.

      You've been given space on mondo for an entire article plus rebuttals to make your case. You have failed to do so. You might like to consider that it your own analysis that is flawed

    • Dr. Foltz suggests, for example, that the Israelites derived the concept of the messiah from the Zoroastrian “Saoshyant” savior figure."

      Joseph Campbell in his Historical Atlas of World Mythology, Vol. II, Part I (The Sacrifice) writes this on page 87:

      "The Persian answer to the question of the way of life proper to mankind was in the building and enlargement of a humanely governed world empire under God. The prophet of this mandate, Zarathustra (in Greek Zoroaster)..."

      "The outline of his mythological innovation, however, is distinct and impressive. It is of two contrary creators, a good and an evil, Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu. Good and evil are therefore at the ground of being. They are not merely relative, referential, but are opposed absolutes. They are final terms. Zorastrianism is thus the earliest ethically based religion in the whole history of this subject. The term "beyond good and evil" in this system makes no sense, and is thus deceptive, itself evil, and of Angra Mainyu."

    • Israel is not going to command the loyalty of the generation that is now under age 30.

      Speaking of this generation, seafoid, Bill Moyers has a terrific pair of interviews on his show this week.

      Full Show: Economic Malpractice and the Millennials
      February 10, 2012 | Moyers & Company
      How economic inequality destroys opportunity for the Millennial generation.

      link to

    • do you think it’s power is mostly mythological in nature?

      I'll try and get my oar in before nevada replies, annie.

      The power of the strong Israel lobby is based not only on the US perceived need to control access to oil, but on religion. The lobby draws a great deal of its power from Jewish and Christian Zionists, deluded Israel Firsters who believe in the coming of a messiah or the return of one in Israel. (annie I'm having trouble with your use of the word 'mythological' in this comment. :)

    • annie, I've confused. Is this the David Green who in his 19 comments used your name more that 19 times? Or is this another David Green?

    • They’ve completely absorbed the idea that what is good for Israel is good for the U.S.; or that what is good for Jews is good for western civilization. This is the mentality of highly indoctrinated individuals, but not that of “Israel firsters.”

      These two statements seem peculiar to me. What in your opinion is the mentality of Israel Firsters?

  • Hasbara PennBDS wrap-up: Pro-Israel students are ignorant
    • nope, they’re always hiring.

      Yep, annie. The Zionists' PR war has been ramping up for a couple of years. I'm sure young Shak knows all about it.


      P & A must decide and state clearly who they are: liberal zionists or anti-zionists. We all (trolls included) should know what to expect from mondo's comment policies.

    • Adam and Phil,

      I think you both should take note of what Hostage says here:

      Werdine & Co. pretend that they can’t grasp the simple concept of being an accessory or accomplice to a crime that deliberately targeted a civilian population outside the jurisdiction of the proposed Jewish State. I’m not interested in debating this or continuing to fund a website that provides Werdine and his partners a platform to whitewash Haganah’s role in deliberately erasing 400+ villages, including Deir Yassin.

      Hostage is one of your most valuable contributors to the comment section. He is expressing a view I'm sure others share. You have disappointed many including myself by wrongly banning Jeffrey Blankfort, and now you are giving the likes of Werdine and Shaktimaan a free run to spread their hasbara lies.

      These invaluable 'old hands' as I call them have only so much time, energy, money, and goodwill to spend helping you with this site.

    • You could just tell us, troll.

    • Nice try, troll. I don't have to go to the north pole to know it's cold up there.

      You're fading here. Mondo's knowledgeable old hands are making mincemeat of you. You are not going to enjoy the ride.

    • Why choose [Jabotinsky]?

      Too honest for you, troll? Embarrassing isn't he?

      btw, do you happen to work for that paragon of unbiased journalism, "Honest Reporting Canada? link to

    • What a mindset you show. Shaktimaan, you couch what you say in “nice” language but what it contains is the view of every Zionist.

      '"nice" language you say, john h. Another reason why I think Shaktimaan is a Canadian troll. Canadians are famous for being polite. :)

      link to

    • If anyone objects that this point of view is immoral, I answer: It is not true; either Zionism is moral and just, or it is immoral and unjust. But that is a question that we should have settled before we became Zionists. Actually we have settled that question, and in the affirmative.

      Jabotinsky was quite a piece of work, john h. I expect such ruthless honesty is more than a little embarrassing to today's Zionist apologists. Let's see what Shakti makes of it.

    • Thanks, but I’ve been there a few times already. Have you?

      Spend my tourist dollars in Apartheid Israel? Not a chance, troll. I believe you know what the B in BDS means.

      One of Canada's JDL thugs asked me the same question outside Toronto's Ryerson University a while back when I was going into a Palestinian event. Was that you?

    • I disagree. Imagine how the US would look if it had been in a state of conflict since the 40s, if the lines were drawn down primarily ethnic divisions. Would it feature the relative equality that Israel has? I doubt it. During WWII we actually rounded up all of our Japanese citizens and put them in camps. That, without even fighting any war on our home soil.

      Someone on another thread suggested humorously that Shakti is an East Indian. I stated categorically here on this thread that he is an American, based on his remark about the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII.

      I have reconsidered my categorical statement. I've re-read the paragraph I quote here, gagging again on his ludicrous "relative equality" guff.

      The phrasing of his paragraph now makes me think he is Canadian. We too interned Japanese citizens during WWII, and we have lots of rabid Zionists in Canada, I'm sorry to say.

    • ..., but is inclusive of its non-Jewish citizens as well.

      This is a bald-faced lie. You've let slip that you are an American hasbara troll. You would do well to get over to Israel and see just what a bigoted and racist government you are shilling for.

  • Musings on Post-Apartheid Israel
    • ..., but they are not especially silly as belief systems go, and have their own beauty and profundity.

      Perhaps so, Shmuel. But as far as I know they are bigoted racists who want nothing to do with the Palestinians. Is this not part of their belief system? I confess I've not got over learning what the word 'shiksa' means.

    • Why is [a form of partial celibacy] any more “wackadoodle” than complete celibacy?

      Both are unnatural practices and in that sense both could be said to be “wackadoodle”. With Catholics and Buddhists the rule is that only one person is affected by the celibacy. It is true that this rule is broken on occasion and then it is usually children who are harmed. With the Gerers two people are affected by the celibacy. The woman has no choice in the matter. So to my mind, this makes the Gerers' celibacy practice more “wackadoodle”.

    • "Is it applicable to Catholics or Buddhists?"

      No. Catholics and Buddhists who view sex as an impediment to attaining higher levels of spirituality are generally unmarried priests and monks.

    • Is the term 'wackadoodle' applicable to members of the Gur sect?

    • Anonymous gets it.

      They sure do Kalithea. I wonder how difficult they can make life for the Israeli government. We shall see.

    • Terrific news, Citizen. Let's hope Stanley Anthony Shulster is brought to justice quickly and punished for his unlawful behaviour.

    • Yes, thank you, Sylvia Schwarz, for this informative essay and for all your years of work on behalf of the Palestinians.

  • 'Commentary' covers its eyes and makes Palestinians disappear
    • Many of the settlers came from here, even from Brooklyn. This is a subject that concerns me a lot. Because most of them aren’t originally Israeli, but American fanatics who live in a Wild West fantasy in which the Palestinians are the Indians.

      It's hard to respond to this information, john h. I've known about it for some time but it still leaves me speechless with fury. Palestinian land stolen so these deranged Americans can use it as a movie set!!!

    • Awkward chitchat about snow. Ah, the trials of diplomacy. What's weird is why anyone would think it worth posting on you tube.

    • More of the same, annie.

    • The Hamas /Fatah union report sure had Netanhayu's lips flapping in a hurry the other day. "The end of the diplomatic process" etc etc. As if there ever was an honest diplomatic process towards peace!

      The truth is David Green and his ilk don't want a viable Palestinian resistance coming from anywhere. Period.

      Let's hope the Hamas/ Fatah union is allowed to flourish.

    • Yep, maybe the nuthin stuff is just an excuse to get close to you. I noticed he didn't want to engage me in a debate this morning.

    • annie, I opened David Green's profile link and scanned his 19 comments.

      There were more than 19 "annie"s in those comments. Perhaps he's obsessed with you, perhaps he's one of these strange chaps who likes women to thrash him, perhaps that's what he meant by his 'appropriate behavior' line.

    • Israel fomented the conflict between Hamas and Fatah using an age-old tactic of divide and rule, David Green. Have you forgotten this fact?

  • A lull on this site
    • Jeff Blankfort on Sean's ff feed yesterday:

      "What also rankles, personally, is that "anti-Zionists" Max Ajl and David Green, tribalists to the core, who are in denial re the Lobby and openly pushed earlier for Phil to ban me, not for anything about the Zios and the Nazis or about Atzmon but just for my take on the Israel lobby finally got what they wanted. - Jeff Blankfort"

    • Thomas Rutherford, the Israel Lobby is overseeing a massive online hasbara campaign. To welcome a troll to mondo's comments section is to invite unreasonable comments from tag teams of paid propagandists and volunteer zealots. We've no time for endless rounds of squishy middle debate.

      You say commenters "identified as trolls should be banned." I say identification takes time, proof, money, and preferences. By the banning of Blankfort, P & A revealed their comments policy. Long-time commenters are shocked, dismayed, angry.

      Those of us who will leave March 1 unless Blankfort's banning is revoked know that we can find many worthy-of-support, anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian websites. We can all come up with fine sites.

      Long hours of sitting is bad for old folks; we need to keep moving to stay alive. ';->
      I started as an anti-Zionist activist going to the 5 - 6 pm vigil held each Friday outside the offices of the Toronto's Israel Consulate. The small vigil has been going on for a decade. I left because I felt I didn't know enough about the I/P conflict. Now I feel I do. Maybe I'll go back.

    • Pretty telling stuff, seafoid. Not surprising, in every war there are collaborators. Was is a corrupting force.

    • Again, I think Chao’s sense of urgency is spot on. I really can’t overstate my agreement all the way through.

      Agreed, Dan. This is not a game. Hasbara Central means business. Clarity of mondo's purpose is required to meet this challenge. Phil and Adam must state clearly who they are: liberal zionists or anti-zionists?

      The answer determines comments policy, who is banned, who wants to join.

    • no, it was the same avi, he told me once and i have no reason to doubt him. he was one of my favorite posters and i miss him. even tho he imagined i had censored one of his comments at one time. he is so smart, usually.

      Surprised to hear this, annie. Such different voices. I thought back to his reply to Danna when she expressed surprise upon learning he was a Mizrahi Jew. In that reply, the voice was that of a humble black servant in the American south duly apologizing for keeping secrets from his master. Ironic, amusing, skillfuly written. I shall look for the mondo url.

    • Let’s hope he didn’t get plain bored,

      Avi-G got pissed off, john h. I saw a sharp comment wherein he accused Phil of refusing his comments because he'd used his "forceful and unequivocal voice" to criticize Phil. Avi-G left shortly after, I miss him, to me he was an instant 'old hand'.

    • I assume his post resonated to the spindly bone with you too.

      Spindly bone or not, it never hurts to have a lawyer tag along, Taxi. Did you see how he changed my "wrongly" to "official" to describe Jeffrey's banning. ':>

      It's futile to speculate on the AJP case, so why not get back to discussing the new rules: the ban on discussions of 9/11 conspiracy theories, and on the role of European Zionists and Nazis in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s—for fear of holocaust and nakba deniers. Or so it seems. The rules are vague.

      I'm on record as agreeing with the new rules. I've changed my mind. I was wrong. What P & A have done is quite breath-taking.

      To ban discussion of known facts and expert opinion of historians and historiographers on the holocaust and nakba is to deny us vital knowledge of our recent past. Anti-intellectual to the hilt!

    • And Avi_G, he's not been lately.

    • Guess I’m next for saying this.

      I've only just read your comment, mrw. I joined Sean's ff group early and have made a few comments. See my February 15, 2012 1:54 pm comment above for reaction to Blankfort's firing.

    • Taxi, here's a comment I made Feb 13, 2012 at 8:39 am on the Hasbara PennBDS wrap-up: Pro-Israel students are ignorant thread. There was 1 reply from Citizen.

      "Adam and Phil,

      I think you both should take note of what Hostage says here:

      Werdine & Co. pretend that they can’t grasp the simple concept of being an accessory or accomplice to a crime that deliberately targeted a civilian population outside the jurisdiction of the proposed Jewish State. I’m not interested in debating this or continuing to fund a website that provides Werdine and his partners a platform to whitewash Haganah’s role in deliberately erasing 400+ villages, including Deir Yassin.

      Hostage is one of your most valuable contributors to the comment section. He is expressing a view I'm sure others share. You have disappointed many including myself by wrongly banning Jeffrey Blankfort, and now you are giving the likes of Werdine and Shaktimaan a free run to spread their hasbara lies.

      These invaluable 'old hands' as I call them have only so much time, energy, money, and goodwill to spend helping you with this site."

    • "Blankfort was banned."

      I'm sorry to hear this. How did you hear about it?

    • so fresh posts will be infrequent

      That's not such a bad thing. There are plenty of posts to read and comment on, including the Today in Palestine lists tucked away in the Features file.

      Stay safe, both of you.

  • Leading Zionist historian was first to say 'Israel Firster'-- in 1960
    • "American Jews continued to object to Israel's claim that a genuine Jewish life was possible only in Israel. Abram L. Sachar, president of Brandeis University, at the biennial convention of JWB [Jewish Welfare Board], declared on April 2, 1960 that among Jews there is no room "for Israel Firsters whose chauvinism and arrogance find nothing relevant or viable in any area outside of Israel." Quoted above by Phil Weiss. My bold.

      Wise words by the Brandeis president 52 years ago. He would be appalled to learn how little heed has been paid to his warning. Israel Firsters, awash with chauvinism and arrogance, have taken over the levers of the US government and are now threatening to propel us into a nuclear war. They are in practice if not in law traitors all.

  • Beinart to cast Obama as caped hero of two-state-solution in forthcoming book
    • "he completely evaded that topic."

      Yes, annie, he never said a word about Israel's human rights abuses.

      We must raise the biggest stink we can about Israel Firsters and their control of the President and Congress.

  • Settlers beat shepherd, construction worker, and 60-year-old in separate incidents
    • Who knows, Kate, so many subtle angles, so few hard facts. The woman so harassed at Jerusalem’s Ras Hamis checkpoint has a filed a complaint, we will have to wait and see.

    • PS You are correct about the Likudniks. No Israeli government has been honest in the interminable peace talks. It took wikileaks to show us that.

    • this is a problem with Israelis.

      Chaos, you are giving fodder to our opponents with your blanket "Israelis."

      There are Palestinian Muslims and Christians in Israel, there are also righteous Jews who are working to end the Zionist occupation.

    • The ethnic cleansing is increasing at an alarming rate, Kate.

      The degree of Likudnik depravity is astonishing, and we have no reason whatsoever to believe any 'softly softly' talk coming out of the mouths of a few gov't officials. They are monsters, these people.

  • Would you buy a used metaphor from this warmonger? (Niall Ferguson's 'creative destruction' echoes Rice's 'birth-pangs')
    • ..., Iranian enrichment of uranium has increased from 5 to 20 percent(in terms of quality

      Did the Iranian prof provide a source for this statement?

      "very Zio-centric CBC" I don't think this label is fair as a blanket statement. They are dependent on our Zionist-loving pm for a big chunk of their funding. They are doing their best to 'strike a balance' in I/P coverage.

      Canadians on mondo may wish to join Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, a group formed a year or so ago to monitor the media.

      link to

    • "I appreciate that Chamberlain had noble goals. He was just an idiot."

      Neville Chamberlain lived through The Great War, Chaos. The month the Balfour Declaration was signed, for example, 35,000 British soldiers died in the battle of Passchendaele. I doubt Chamberlain was an idiot. No sane Brit wanted another war in Europe.

      I don't know enough to comment on teta's theory regarding the mental health of Churchill and FDR.

    • I found this item in Kate's list.

      Israel’s PM warns his officials to stop Iran ‘blabber’ first paras.

      "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned his officials to stop “blabbing” about the possibility of an attack targeting Iran's nuclear program, the newspaper Maariv reported on Monday.

      Netanyahu is said to have directed the instruction at a number of military officials and government ministers who he believes have been speaking too freely about a potential Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

      The newspaper, citing unnamed senior officials, said Netanyahu delivered the warning during a meeting with ministers from his Likud party on Sunday.

      The newspaper, citing unnamed senior officials, said Netanyahu delivered the warning during a meeting with ministers from his Likud party on Sunday.

      “Stop blabbing, already,” he reportedly told the officials. “This chit-chat causes huge damage, puts Israel on the front line, and damages sanctions” imposed by the United States and Europe on Iran, the premier reportedly said.

      Maariv’s sources said there was concern that Israel “might be perceived as dragging the U.S. into a war with Iran against its will and endangering the U.S.’s national interests.”"

      link to

  • Abunimah highlights 'turning point' boycott conference
    • Thanks for posting Prof. Davidson's article, Hostage. He's in agreement with the majority of us here in mondo's comment section:

      "[Success in ending the occupation] will have to come in the form a two-front movement: one front building the worldwide boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel, and the second front concentrating on making support of Israel a national scandal in the US and therefore a domestic voting issue."

    • An excellent response to wj's 'poor us we're the victims' nonsense, seafoid.

      Thank you.

    • "Was there much security at the conference?"

      I expect there was, seafoid. My concern was the cost of any extra security measures taken after the shameful Dur letter came out: i.e. Would the conference organizers be saddled with these costs?

      This was a ploy used by the Israel Firsters manipulating the board of governors at York University in Toronto a while back.

      Perhaps we'll hear more about security this week.

  • Organizers say pro-Israel filmmaker with controversial past deceives, disrupts Penn BDS conference (UPDATED)
    • MRW, I sent off emails to two senior execs of CBC's news dept.

      Martin Himel is an indie doc maker and "operates through Elsash Productions Ltd and its subsidiary Hylax Productions .- Canadian television production companies."

    • I imagine someone in the CBC news room is aware of Himmel's lie. Whether they will mention it is another question. Our right-wing Christian Zionist pm is threatening to dismantle the CBC. They tread very lightly these days re Israel.

    • Well, winnica, we now know that he lied about being on assignment for the CBC.

      This extremely biased B'nai Brith Canada 2004 article, Documentary Producer Martin Himel Keynote Speaker at Jabotinsky Memorial states that he spent 20 years in Israel. I'm sure he's a great fave there with the right-wingers.

      link to

    • Nah, I’m much more serious than that.

      Hey, your comment profile says you're "Just a guy who reads a lot."

      Now you tell us you may "decide to publish a "full-scale review of Mondoweiss and its pathologies,..." Scary stuff, troll.

  • Both sides are wrong in the ‘Israel Firsters’ debate
    • [What Marci McDonald has delivered] is a clarion call to Canadians — and to the Ottawa press gallery — to pay attention to how the religious right, especially evangelical Christians who belong to many ethnic groups, is increasingly influencing both foreign and domestic policy. That while growing and gaining greater access to the corridors of government."

      Sean, both Canada and the US have been formed by immigrants; to say there are many ethnic groups in either country is to state the obvious.

      To my mind, Christian nationalism is a very precise term. These folks want to do away with the separation of church and state. They pose a grave danger to hard-won liberties in both countries.

    • MRW, I forgot mondo's new comments rules regarding 9/11 conspiracies; I wish I hadn't. I'm not going to say anything more about the 9/11 material in Matt Baibbi's book. Cheers

    • ...there is an important distinction between ethnic nationalism and religious nationalism.

      Not anymore, Sean. Check out definition 5 from the free online dictionary.

      link to

      Word definitions are always on the move. Christian nationalism is now a dangerous new species of ethnic nationalism.

      eth·nic   [eth-nik] Show IPA
      pertaining to or characteristic of a people, especially a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
      referring to the origin, classification, characteristics, etc., of such groups.
      being a member of an ethnic group, especially of a group that is a minority within a larger society: ethnic Chinese in San Francisco.
      of, pertaining to, or characteristic of members of such a group.

      belonging to or deriving from the cultural, racial, religious, or linguistic traditions of a people or country: ethnic dances.

    • : which American mainstream media pundits are ethnic nationalists other than the dozens of Jewish ethnic nationalists with whom we are all familiar? Are there any at all?

      Yes, something new, Christian nationalism. Canadian journalist Marci McDonald has a new book out on this movement: The Armageddon Factor: The Rise of Christian Nationalism in Canada.

      Here are the Globe and the Star reviews:

      link to

      link to

    • Solipsism: Collins English Dictionary definition n
      (Philosophy) the extreme form of scepticism which denies the possibility of any knowledge other than of one's own existence.
      [from Latin sōlus alone + ipse self]

      You're teasing me, Opaleye, about my mention the other day of self-awareness training and my regular meditation practice. You're a rat :-) I will say no more.

    • No one increases their entitlement to hugs and kisses by repeated acts of injustice and cruelty or by hideous words in defence of these things.

      Not in my family, Martin, that's for sure. Nor should it be the case with the proponents of Zionism. They ask for much, and give nothing in return. Nothing. They are a rotten collection of ingrates.

      btw, I've finished reading Matt Taibbi's 2008 "The Great Derangement: A Terrifying True Story of War, Politics & Religion at the Twilight of The American Empire".

      I liked his assessment of the reasons why a high percentage of Americans believe in conspiracies (truthers' 9/11; Christian Zionists' rapture). Basically, the reasons boil down to lies, lies, and more lies from the politicians in power. But he does tell you in colourful detail what these lies were/are.

      His undercover sojourn with members of John Hagee's Cornerstone Church is related in an outraged but shamefaced manner. He gets to know these poor souls, feels their pain, and despises his own role as liar.

      His experiences with a band of NY truthers is laid out, also a hilarious scene wherein Cheney, Feith, and Kristol get the details of their 9/11 plot sorted out.

      A good read, Martin, thanks for suggesting it.

    • Prof. Emeticus Jerome Slater

      good one, mooser.

    • ...the article contains the absurd claim that Israel has been a strategic asset.

      Shall we give the young politics student a C minus and call it a day?

    • 4) It is clear that those with ties to Israel and the Likud in the press, the D.C. think-tank Archipelago and in Congress are the ones most vehemently agitating for military action against Iran. This is obvious. The question should be : Are these people motivated by a real concern for Israelis, or is their professed motivation a camouflage for other interests which prefer to fly the “pro-Israel” flag?

      My answer to your question: The US imperialists among them do not care one whit for Israelis. They see Israel as a fulcrum, a lever to control the middle east and contain China, India etc.

    • Hi Lyn. The author of the article you cite seemed to think it wrong not to have had a properly publicized foreign policy town hall meeting.

      Yes, I would say Congressman Brad Sherman is an Israel Firster, for this reason and for his long mindless history of voting for Israel.

      One of the criticisms of the term on this thread is that Israel Firsters are not helping but harming Israelis. (The article Brenda cites above has this theme.)

      Yes, Israel Firsters may well be hastening the day the Zionist state is deemed illegitimate. But that doesn't mean the term 'Israel Firster' is incorrect. What it means is that Israel Firsters are crazed fools.

    • Red meat indeed, brenda. Reason enough to get out in droves to support OCCUPY AIPAC.

      Here's the first para of the Haaretz article you cite:

      "We have a prime minister who was elected thanks mainly to donations from abroad. Some 98 percent of the donations that Benjamin Netanyahu received for the Likud primaries of 2005 came from foreign donors, most of them Americans. The phenomenon of raising money primarily from abroad repeated itself in last week's Likud elections."

      p.s. Don't give up on the term Israel Firsters. It is accurate and it is useful.

    • No term will perfectly describe the past and present horrors perpetrated by Zionists in Palestine. Here are my reasons for using the term Israel Firsters:

      The term directs attention to the issue of loyalty; Israel Firsters cannot easily leap from this term to falsely accuse me of being a Canadian Jew hater. This imo is the main reason why they are so alarmed by the term.

      Christian Zionists in Canada and the US have within their ranks some of the most rabid Palestinian haters of all time. There are millions and millions of these sad ignorant people being manipulated by John Hagee and his ilk. The term Israel Firster contains a simple concept, one easier to explain and to comprehend than Apartheid Israel. Many of these ill-educated Christian Zionists are loyal to their home country, and some will be influenced by this new term.

  • Penn's president condemns article likening BDS conference to Nazism as 'counter to her personal values and civility'
    • Nice job, Erasmus. You put me to shame! I was far too soft on Gutmann.

    • One thing about him is that he always engages in ideas and avoids ad hominem attacks. What’s not to like about that.

      Thanks, ToivoS. I didn't know what to think about Sin's comment. I admire him for not indulging in ad hominem attacks. I'm not good at that. When it comes to the trolls, my emotions often take over.

      Self-awareness training and regular meditation practice help but alas don't always work.

    • Chemi Shalev's last paragraph, to my mind, strikes all the wrong notes.

      "It’s true that times have changed, that much water has flowed in the Jordan River and that Israel and Israelis of 40 years ago are significantly different than the Israelis of today. Still, there is something profoundly post-Zionist and even “unJewish,” if you will, in the demand that Israel be held to the same standards as Syria or Egypt or Sudan or France or Britain or even the United States for that matter. Israelis used to have higher expectations and to demand better of themselves but are now becoming increasingly resigned to being just like everyone else, no worse, perhaps, but not much better either. Israel wants to be treated as “a nation like all other nations,” which, Jews know better than most, is nothing to be proud of." (my bold)

      Fatuous, arrogant, dishonest.

    • irrelevant info.Hah.

      I was dumbfounded by the "Esq." after six of the names. Pretentious twits, I thought to myself. Then I googled and discovered they were lawyers. Pretentious twits, I thought again. More irrelevant info, dahoit. :-)

    • Sin Nombre, this is irony, right?

    • Now, that is scary.

      Yes. What's that old adage? "Physician, heal thyself."


      Nick, everyone. "Pile On" as Kathleen often tells us to do. Write to Dr. Gutmann and express your views. Email address above.

    • It sure is outrageous, annie. I've just sent off the following sentences to Dr. Gutmann, the first of which I hate to say was pretty weasely:

      "Thank you for your condemnation of the despicable article by Ruben Gur that appeared in The Daily Pennsylvanian. I urge you to review the propriety of having such a man on the tenured staff of the University of Pennsylvania.

      I am concerned about the students who organized this BDS conference, and the students who will attend it. Please see to it that Gur's ignorant and inflammatory letter does not end up costing the organizers money they can ill afford for extra security measures.

      Thank you."

    • It is, however, neither possible, nor consistent with the value of free expression, for me or the Administration to intervene in the exchange of words that will inevitably occur in the context of highly controversial and deeply emotional issues. It is not an appropriate role (nor that of the University’s), to be the referee of individual’s comments, regardless of how overheated or ill-advised they may be.

      Weasel words, all of them. Disgusting.


      Here are the contact addresses for Dr. Amy Gutmann, President, University of Pennsylvania. I urge everyone to write in support of the conference organizers.

      Email: [email protected]
      Snail Mail: President’s Office, 1 College Hall – Room 100,
      Philadelphia, PA 19104-6380

      Website: link to
      Work tel: 215-898-7221

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    • Note: This has come to me through my Toronto newsgroup. I take it as being very important.

      The Praver Plan is now a new bill: Confiscation of Bedouin Lands Bill – to be passed soon in the Knesset.

      By Dr. Yeela Raanan.

      On January 3rd the Government of Israel published the memorandum of a bill named "Regulation of the Bedouin settlement in the Negev", in which in states the steps to be implemented in order to relocate the overwhelming majority of the residents of the unrecognized villages and confiscate about 2/3s of the land remaining in their possession. As can be expected, the Government of Israel is anticipating resistance to this new bill, so within the bill are violent measures to ensure its implementation. This bill is currently going through the legislative process in the Knesset, and soon will become law.

      You can read about the bill in more detail in the attached file. In the meantime, in a nutshell, this is what the Bedouin are now facing:

      · The bill's main aim is to force the Bedouin to give up the little land they are still holding onto.

      · In order to do so, the bill spells out an intense, violent and destructive process, utilizing family pressure, bulldozers, and incarceration.

      · The bill is written in a confusing manner, so that the majority of the Bedouin community are incapable of even understanding what the government is putting before them. Ironically, they are expected to give their comments via the web...

      · The government is spending a very large amount of money in order to send emissaries to "convince" the Bedouin that accepting this bill is in their benefit. At the same time the media is cooperating with the government and remaining silent regarding all protests and criticisms against this dangerous bill. Thus, the two amazing demonstrations of the Bedouin – of over 10,000 in Beer Sheva and another 6,000 in Jerusalem was not covered at all by the Hebrew media. The media machine the government is utilizing of course also covers the Jewish community, so that even the friends of the Bedouin do not understand why the Bedouin community is not accepting this new bill with open hands…

      Demonstration against the Praver plan and the new bill. Beer Sheva, January 25th, 2012.

      Just a couple of items from the bill will show you the monstrosity of it:

      1. Cynically utilizing family pressure in order to force more Bedouin to accept the bill:

      Members of the Bedouin community are not interested in monetary compensation for their lands, they want the land itself. A person can receive up to 50% of his land in land compensation – IF – he convinces ALL his siblings and cousins to enter the process of the bill and sign that they are giving up their land claims too (again for 50% in land compensation.) however, if any of the siblings feels that he does not wish to play along with the government's plans, and is not willing to sign his land over to the government, then ALL other siblings will receive less land in compensation, and instead some insignificant monetary compensation.

      What does this mean? It means that there will be strife in all the Bedouin families. As all Bedouin are people… they will not always agree. Therefore one person will receive far less land because his brother will refuse to sign his land away. From this point on, they will not speak to each other for generations... and to think that the government is creating this kind of strife within families – is horrendous.

      2. According to the bill, when it is time to "clear" a piece of land from Bedouin this is the process:

      · The prime minister signs that this specific area is now to be cleared.

      · The Bedouin have two weeks in which to clear out everything: structures, animals, trees, people and movables.

      · The government may then demolish anything in the area and incarcerate for two years anyone remaining in the area.

      · The bill also prevents the intervention of the courts, as it states that there is no need for a court injunction to demolish the structures, and that the court may at the most postpone the "clearing" by one week.

      This process will be implemented upon the entire area of the unrecognized villages within five years.

      Where will the people go to? It is not specified. Does the gov't need to provide those it is clearing out with another place to go to? It is not specified. Do the residents of the villages, as they are being cleared off, have any say in where they will have to move to? It is not specified…

      Nowadays the Bedouin do not have sufficient land in order to live their lives in ease. A stark statistic is that each Bedouin that lives in an agricultural community has an average of 1/2 acre of land for agriculture. In comparison every Jewish person living in an agricultural community in the Negev has over six acres. And it is important to remember that many more members of a Bedouin agricultural community actually make a living from agriculture than of the Jewish communities. This bill, if it succeeds, will reduce the 1/2 acre of agricultural lands to 0.001 of an acre per person … meaning this is an end, a total destruction, of Bedouin traditional life and the ability to live off the land. Taking into consideration that about 20% of the Bedouin today live from agriculture… it is devastating.

      Demonstration against the Praver plan and the new bill. Beer Sheva, January 25th, 2012.

      What can you do to help?

      1. First of all – contact your representatives, and ask them to ask Israel difficult questions regarding the policies towards the Bedouin. You have quite a lot of information here and in the file attached. Please feel free to use it.

      2. Help spread this information. Since the Bedouin are a weakened community, the government of Israel feels it can do anything it wishes to this community, and no one will care. Let's show them we care!

      3. Start bombarding the government officials with your faxes, emails, phone calls… Here are the important figures right now:

      · Minister Binyamin Begin. He is the person the gov't assigned to listen to the community and make amendments to the bill according to the needs of the community. (Unfortunately, all he is doing is trying to convince the Bedouin that this is the best deal for them and they must join the process, and officially forgo their land claims…) Email: [email protected] ; Tel: 02-6408022, 02-6703382; Fax: 02-6703386

      · Yehuda Bahar, the one in charge of implementing the plan, head of the Authority for the settlement of the Bedouin. Tel: 08-6268735; Fax: 08-6268729; Email: [email protected]

      · Our Prime Minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, tel: 02-6705512; fax: 02- 5664838

      · The Israeli Ambassador in your area.

      · Your Ambassador in Israel.

      We call to the Government of Israel to take measures concerning the integration of the Arab-Bedouin community of the Negev into the region based on the principles of partnership, equality, human rights, and a future of prosperity for all the Negev residents."

      For more information: Dr. Yeela Raanan, [email protected]

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