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Yes I wish I'd understood that and included that insight. Thanks gents
I should have echoed Shmuel's point about Lia Tarachansky and Eitan Bronstein in the post. Lia is a dear friend of mine, and a wonderful journalist.
(Myself I am more agnostic as to the larger question; in the US context, many fora are unbalanced, and yet I urge friends to accept some of those invitations to participate)
I think you might be. I've heard that Tapper is disenchanted with the project. I sure hope he gives voice to that.
I completely agree with you Ellen. The great opportunity this bill represents is an effort to grow a political movement around an outrage. I came to these issues as an American angered by pro-Israel factor in Iraq war.... This is analogous
let's start with Robert Cohn, Fagin, Twain's essay against the Jews. There's a Jew in War and Peace, I believe, in a rural scene, a caricature-- will dig that out later
Thank you for this sharp intervention
Dug it. Keep ramblin!
I take your point Chris, but I'd point out that the Times used to have a policy of not using information from an anonymous source unless there were two independent sources making the same assertions. The policy was always a kind of a figleaf, but it spoke to a journalistic concern that people who weren't willing to use their names had an agenda. The Times is nervous about this issue here, which is why Landler stacks up the official's bona fides.
Yes, and what about all those Israeli anonymous sources who told Jeffrey Goldberg 2 years ago that Israel was going to attack Iran in 6 months? Shouldn't Landler have told us about those manipulative threats?
Thanks Henry for clarification. I will update Egelko i.d.
He also speaks Arabic and has spent years in Arab countries. That has surely washed out any Zionist indoctrination...
I ascribe his weakness to careerism. And as the popularity of our site shows, many Jews have gotten off Zionism, many of them long ago.
Thanks David, excellent points. And those threats of civil war have been explicit in Israel
I'll change it, Joshua.
PS. Thanks much for the argument re Sirhan Sirhan. I have long argued just this point, that Americans have never fully considered the costs of supporting establishing a Jewish state in Palestine, which include the attack on the USS Liberty, 911, the killing of Rachel Corrie, and the rage toward RFK. This of course leaves out the endless wars that the State Dep't also predicted in '47-48
Thanks Geoff. Corrected also by Marc
Thanks for correction, Marc. It was an anti-Catholic dating policy at that Protestant University. I misspoke!
And I'd add that Joshua Landis characterizes this as a sectarian conflict. It didn't begin that way, he says; it is now.
Thanks Leander. Henry Norr also pointed this out. Appreciated.
Thanks David, thanks Chase. Going to correct. Phil
Thanks M, I have once again learned from the Comment section. My neighbor is Welsh and I will now provoke him.
Thanks MLE, Important data point. This is now The Sore Point, Phil
This is completely disingenuous. When I visited Gaza in '09, a woman living in a tent, whose home near Beit Hanoun had been destroyed 6 months before so as to facilitate the land invasion, said to me, "They treat us like animals." Her cry touched my soul, in that new Warsaw Ghetto built by Jews; and later I was moved when Jimmy Carter said, They are treated like animals. Our use of this metaphor bespeaks our belief in the dignity of all human beings, and our respect for Palestinian civilization.
Thanks Piotr, I grew up with the wise men of Chelm. Thanks for that
OK; enough of the 911 stuff for this thread. If you want to have the conversation, I think you should go elsewhere. We have bigger halibut to grill here
Thanks for that. Missed that article. I want to find it.
Thank you MRW. I heard broadcasters saying that this morning. Do they know? Let's everyone take some deep breaths.
Donald, my wife agrees with you too: McCambridge's being Catholic was relevant to the anecdote. But I say, avoid the anecdote, if you're not going to go near the religious identification of your main subject, who actually makes a lot of his Jewishness in his book. That's why I see a double standard, in transparency
I dont see this item as a one-sided display of anti-Zionism, though yes, I'm dubious about the philosophers' ability to square that circle...
And as for your musings, the Jewish state exists and has a track record. If and when a more fair regime replaces it, please count on me to stand up for equal rights inside it.
the great inhibition on ending slavery, among those who knew it was wrong in the 1850s, was the fear of reprisal.
Thanks Michael! Registered. But I felt the concerns were the focus of the piece
I agree with you about the merits of the book, Ira. It's superb scholarship, and focuses on three incidents in foreign policy and the ways that the peace process served to delude the participants, the Palestinians, in a cruel manner. Khalidi's argument is important and inarguable, and I've touched on it in earlier posts. I will return to its central points soon, but wanted to break out the lobby piece because it often came up in the speech the other night and also because I push the opposite view here so often it only seemed fair.
Of course. But the Altalena came after the founding of the state. Now they had to clean up their act and consolidate their power. Why didn't they do an Altalena when they heard the Irgun was going to ethnically cleanse JAffa or massacre the residents of Deir Yassin? Because they needed them then.
Cliff we censor stuff, and I censored some of this post b/c we dont want the thread taken over with intemperate namecalling between you and Hophmi. Phil There are excellent substantive points but intemperate namecalling is a red line for us
Hophmi, I dont buy this. I read in Koestler Promise and Fulfillment that the Palmach worked closely with the terrorist groups; they knew exactly what they were doing. Hand in glove. The condemnations were lip service. (And I assume there is some of this dynamic now in a population under the imperial heel...)
Phil
Thanks for pointing that out, I agree; it's the opposite of damning with faint praise-- Endorsing with faint condemnation.
RJL so you defend actual denial of rights to a population of millions based on ethnic distinction out of a fear of prospective discrimination by the other side? That's not even two wrongs make a right. It's I can do wrong because you would do worse!
Thanks Citizen. I'm sure Annie was on it, but sometimes I'm slow to rise, Phil
Folks, I stripped a thread from this post that delved into the causes of the Holocaust, and Jewish presence in the German elites between the wars. We've said over and over again, we find this subject distasteful/grotesque and if you want to discuss it, go somewhere else, we're going to censor it. We feel that we are trying to break new ground in the American discourse on the Palestinian issue, and that's a giant goal. The Jewish presence in the American establishment is part of that discussion, which is why we published Henry's piece, which is based on demonstrable fact; but this is also a sensitive question and tone is everything. This site is about community building, creating a new political space, and I'd urge commenters to be thoughtful about the ways that words can offend. Thanks, Phil
Agreed. And that will transcend religious distinction
Thanks Citizen; acknowledged.
Play on Mea culpa. Reporters should be issuing Mea culpas. But he aint, that I'm aware of
Thanks for that Kathleen; I forgot that there was such a solid bloc. Unbelievable. I should amend post to reflect these very solid #s, if anyone wanted "cover." Phil
I dont think it's bull at all. The American Council for Judaism folded up in 1967.
Thank you Parity
your mom sounds like my mom
Missed that. Thank you Donald
But Hophmi what about her statement that to publish a book containing her thoughts would have been suicide? Isn't this damning of our political culture?
Hophmi, There is no necessity for me to research that, a fact I learned from an earlier commenter. I take the piece on its face: If she deems his religion necessary for that reason, she ought to have provided that information. Phil
I'm thankful for all commenters on this thread for hearing Fran as I did... She's got a booming voice
Such a simple and important way of phrasing it; thanks light
Thanks Joe
Thank you for this list. Nadia Matar, incredible.
The Titanic? I saw the Titanic and I thought it was great!
So the woman I fell in love with and married and has been The Rock in my life is my enemy?
Thanks Annie, should have included that language! Phil
Wait it's a stereotype I have of the WASP establishment too. In 71 after considerable complaint Harvard Law School finally got a Jewish dean. Mandarins behave like mandarins
I never called myself a liberal Zionist. Have never been one
and "most"? That's collective punishment
What about Friedman's followup email, Piotr? Do you believe that only a moron would fall for that?
Brilliant, thanks
Thanks, helpful Piotr. I agree
And if an ideology collapses in the light of certain realities (democratic rights to minorities, decline of anti-semitism in the west, militant sparta dependent on a superpower for legitimacy), that would make it... history
Dan I think it's a mistaek to say that they're my favorite people. Yes I am of the privileged highly educated group in the US, and I live in a white neighborhood; and I chart these attitudes closely, and would be hypocritical if I said I wasn't privileged. It doesnt follow that they're my favorite people. I am proud of having diversity in my friendships
Interesting that you asks Jews to undertake that labor. Implicit: we find repugnant those critiques of Islam that come from Christian/Jewish sources. This is a sensitivity that many people respect. I regularly slam the Catholic church for pedophilia scandal. I dont delve into the liturgy to find its justifications there. Above my pay grade
my mother's lecture serves:
2 wrongs dont make a right.
(particularly applied to your own behavior-- not someone else's; jesus was eloquent on that score)
Agreed, David, and I think we know where he got those assumptions, inside a liberal Jewish community that he has not challenged. He's a communitarian, I sense.
Thanks for sharing that Lysias.
He said he wished he had gone to the US of A
I had no idea what was going on, any more than any other American. The first country I visited in the middle East was Syria, in 2006. Never called to Israel till I began to understand what Zionism was...
Hostage, I had the impression you were still in favor of Partition resolution of 47. Am I wrong?Have you changed, evolved?
Thanks Mooser. Smart; I'm going to study that list afresh.
Mooser I don't understand the significance of the list of anti-gun organizations. Are you saying that the anti-Israel lobby isn't nearly as widespread in the U.S.?
Also I take your point re Bull Connor, but I think it helps Americans understand apartheid over there, in American terms,
Phil
I think you patronize Lindsey Graham who whatever his ideological depravity puts on a brilliant show as a prosecutor. He's a smart guy. Though yes I would like to know why he believes what he believes
Thanks subconscious,
My knowledge here is of course borrowed from my friend; and I should have said that my friend believes that Obama is being cast as Yazid and Shemr as Shemr..
Yes I agree they should read Shlomo Sand.
I meant: that even these lib Zionists fear the rise of anti-Semitism in the west and therefore think they need a Jewish state. I think we need to interrogate this belief
Thanks Piotr, helpful intervention