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what there to now that he was living on someelse's land and that a criminal enterprise gave him the "right" to do so simply because he wanted it. he is a thig and a criminal and should have never been in palestine
Witty your problem is you seem to think justice demands positive outcomes for everyone but that simply is not the case. when somepeople have acted in illegal and amoral ways justice takes away from them. just because the jewish invaders of palestine lose their loot doesn't mean they didn't get justice.
my bad
except in the jewish state which was gerrymandered to make sure the jewish population would have a majority wouldn't have respected those property rights. almost all of the agricultural land was in the hands of arabs and there was no way they were going to let that stand even if they didn't decide to go to war. secondly while the jewish argeed to a partitian to gain political control they were only 70-% of the poplation the arabs didn't want to give up any of their land which they had been promised over 30 years before hand
the negev was land that was conquered in their war of conquest
your pro palestine right up until the pint it means giving them their legally mandated rights??? your not pro palestine nor pro peace you pro Israel and pro Israel dominance
every fascist state appears to be a democracy to its chosen group that doesn't mean it one. when the native population is killed off, is not given the right to vote or intimidated so they won't that isn't a demcracy that is something else.
everyone always talks of turn swords into plowshares but there comes times when plowshares must be forged into swords and to beat the drums of war. there comes a time when the peaceful must go to war to ensure that they aren't destroyed. Israel is going to force the a war its in its nature.
because people like you demanded and made sure that their criminal ancestors got to keep their loot. go back a generation or two and the vast majority of Israel weren't bornb in palestine but else where and they should go back there and give back there loot. sorry but the whole they should get away with their crimes because they got away with crimes meme people like you push is stupid and offensive
perhaps but the sentiment of criminals not benefiting from their crimes is
last time I checked hamas never waged a war to steal other people's land because they wanted it Israel did. to say that Israel is not the aggressor is idiocy and contempible beyond all belief
if you fall prey to it its because those you are mocking are that messed up.
what innocents. probably every single person killed by Hamas in "Israel" has benefited from crimes against the palestinians. Israeli mind set and actions are just like that of the Nazis. You refusal to see the sameness shows you for a fanatic
technically hamas doesn't engage it terrorism because they don't use the fear involved they are trying to use atritional warfare
you fell prey to Poe's law
well if this law was used honestly to oppose true terrorism it would make illegal to send money to Israel
just because something is not one's intention one can still do something and one still bears the responsibility for said outcome
how can you delegitimize something that was never legitiamte
well yeah those that willfully commit evil acts do need to and should be punished your problem is that you seem to think Israel should get away scot free for 60+ years of criminal evil acts
You mean the palestinian's lands
yes Israel was insured a jewish majority thanks to gerrymandering
religions don't have homelands. an actual jewish nation died over 2000 years ago. the palerstinian people aren't a myth and they weren't created in 68. palestinian nationalism started in the 1800's
I have
why should we feel empathy for him. the man has a history of attacking those who question the official Israeli/jewish version of events
Wrong witty is it is not their property if they got it through theft it is the property of those it was stolen from Control does not confer ownership
So criminals should be rewarded for the crimes that is the nature of justice to you?
actually the kids took a position that would have been to the side of the car had he choose not to run into them
last time checked the wholesale slaughter of one fifth of a state's population counts as an adverse effect on said population
Does this mean the US can require all the Israel firsters to sign an oath requiring them to put the interests of the Us ahead of any and all foriegn countries?
that kinda of my view as well. I feel military action or at least the threat of it needs to be there not because I want war which I don't. I wish there was a peaceful solution but there isn't so I feel the non peaceful one should just be used sooner rather than later for the benefit of everyone. the longer the wait the worse it will be.
if pollard is released I think Obama and top admin officials should be impeached.
it angers me greatly the way the US lets Israel get away with killing and putting into danger so many of our citizens.
what is excessive of the taking of thievies their loot?
My big thing against that was should I have to finacially support something I disagree with to have my opinion matter on it
well I don't know that much about it but I do think it is telling that the pro Israel people have painted the palestinian people as wanting war but it was the jewish people who stockpiled weapons prior to the Nakba
their were polish crimes against the jewish population of that state though they were not entirely innocent them selves
we need to lock up more of Israel's spies not release the ones we have punished
that still implies some sort of choice on the palestinians who had there land and state TAKEN by nothing less than naked aggression and force
it was the given by the palestinian people I have the objection too
We were GIVEN, completely gratis, the ‘territory’ for our homeland State, by the people of Palestine,
um no it wasn't. that is a bald face as a lie can possible get
no it provide jews with a state in a land most of them weren't even living in. it was the opposite of self determination people out side of a territory deciding its political status by definition is not self determination. self determination is defined as the People of a Territory Deciding Their own Political Status
But as you have already admited the jews aren't an ethnic group but a religioin and religioins have no right to states. also no it was about recognizing "their" right to the land it was telling them they would get land owned by others
doesn't matter since balfour was irrelevant due to its voiding conditions being met. also a state must be created through self determination and any one honest must admit that Israel's creation was the exact opposite of self determination
not to mention that the claim of "non jewish communities" applying to religion implies that the jews aren't a people and merely a faith
to add I should also note your reference to WW1 it should be noted that prior to the hienious promises to the jewish people of other people's lands the british and french agreed to independence be given to the peoples of the arab world. there reneging on said agreements does not mean they weren't made.
balfour is irrelevant as its voiding conditions were met. also the UN charter supercedes any previous agreement to give the lands of other to the jewish people. there is nothing legal about Israel. its creation was a flagrant violation of law, custom, and tradition.
more empty words with no teeth behind them. an american president needs to go to Israel you have this amount of time to get your act together or we mess you up.
real easy to demand self determination after the side you support used thuggery to gain an advantage
does any one else get the feeling that the same people and kinds of people that want a oath of loyalty to Israel as a jewish state are the ones who get angry when it suggested that maybe some jew in the US put ISrael's interests ahead of the USA interests
except it not there land. stealing something doesn't make it yours.
so than you admit Israel is illegitiamate?
I hate the whole unjust to remove current occupents argument. it makes a precedent that pushes to avoid justice rather than ensuring it. in my opinion it doesn't matter how long they lived there if they did not gain it in a legit manner than they have no right to be there.
Israel wasn't self determination. self determination is when the people of a territory decide there own politcal status not those who don't live there.
the moment they entered occupied territory with the intent to settle so it could be annexed they ceased being civilians and became military assets. that being said killing should always be avoided whenever possible though I fail to see how a peaceful solution exists. the only real solution is an outside invasion of Israel from Europe and the states.
bingo. IT seems to me that so many people demand an inhuman level of restraint from the palestinians while excusing whatever crimes of Israelis through human emotion.
the kind of feelings created by the Israelis that the Palestinians live in rarely generate rational decisions.
these kinds of things will continue until someone imposes a real cost on Israel for these illegal and inhumane actions.
bingo. Someone needs to tell the Israelis that consensus is when a broad group of people support something not when just you and the superpower who rubber stamps for you agree to it.
short answer other democracies don't have to worry about losing their state because the people they stole it from get their rights.
um trees conduct eletricity. if they didn't there would be no trees exploded because of lighting strikes
a state's right to exist is vested in the legitimate expression of self determination.
its not ethnic cleansing if they don't have any right to be there
This may be a difficult concept for you but if they are they through means that are illegitiamate than to remove them is not ethnic cleansing because they would have zero legal right to be there. I'm one of those who would like to remove Israeli jewery to make way for the return of palestinians but only if the palestinian family wants to return but than I believe something must be done for that displaced family. unlike an Israeli I believe in making sure all humans get their rights.
not surprising. the kind of casual sustained brutality that is Israel's bread and butter just doesn't happen naturally. it requires pressure from above for it to happen.
the problem with saying there is a legal version of zionism is to say there is a legal version of stripping people of lands and rights for another people's wants. in my book at least that always illegal and always wrong( discounting of course what required to rectify such crimes)
well I for one don't see how how anything short of a UN or NATO invasion on behalf of the palestinians will net a peace that will have anything resembling real justice.
that's a great point but that is also exactly the reason why people need to push for palestinian to be able to go back. to reward Israel crimes is to encourage every despot to hold on to his war gains so they can keep them.
its all well and good to be practical but I can't see how basically rewarding people for crimes is the way to go. Every single jewish household that is living on stolen land needs to pay some sort of cost for their crimes. and the crimes they benefited from. I have been called an anti semite before(I'm not I like jewish people and think they have every right to be in palestine. if they would have used legal and moral means to gain the land I would have had no problem with it) but I think that if a palestinian want to return to his/her lands he should be allowed to and the deed for all devolpment be given to him. those living their that aren't moved so he can live on his land can just pay them rent. anything that rewards the jewish people for taking away other people's rights should be considered. It seems to me that the people deemed "reasonable" are those who advocate stripping away right from those that have them whiling giving things to people who have no right to them.
Justice without greater greater injustice in other words no justice as jewish would get of scot free for decades of crime
what a surprise Israelis have no use for the law when it gets in the way of what they want even if it is their own damn laws. this is a society that clearly needs to have something done to clean it up.
Am I the only person who is offended by the use of the word de-legitimize. it offends in two ways the first being you think Israel is legit but has gone bad and are ctitcizing it. it impliues you think something of it that you don't. the second way it offends( and this is me) is that you think Israel was never legit. and by using the word it implies you thought so.
the geneva conventions and the Nuremburg principles are international law which is what those are based on are.
I find it telling the comments about how this official kept talking about how the BDS was making Israelis feel. Says something about a society that the feelings of those who commit all the crimes listed under the Nurenburg principiles but the actual pain suffering and death caused upon the victims of those crimes doesn't warrant a mention. you need no prophecy to know the path Israel walks will only end in fire, ash, and ruin.
birth right unplugged is something I think you should look into
wait is really true that birthright tourists are encouraged to have sex with IDF troops?
honestly I don't think Israel will change without a looming threat of US or EU military action against it.
its not Sadism. sadism refers to sexual pleasure derived from the causing of pain and suffering.
Sorry witty but their legal right to retun is not ethnic cleansing. removing people illegally on land to put the legal owners back on fdoesn't qualify as ethnic cleansing plus no is talking about removing them from palestine just from the land the palestinian owners wish to return to.
Mr.Weiss I would like to thank you for this post. it is something near and dear to me that we should understand and explore the why of things which this post does. To stop anything from happening one must know why it occurs.
My heart goes out to victims not those who have commited crimes against them
I think that there is either a translation error or that Israelis are for more bloodthirsty than we thought
this line:Hamas operatives would position innocent civilians near IDF tanks to prevent IDF soldiers from shooting at them.
basically accuses hamas of putting civilians near IDF tanks to prevent either depending on how you read it from shooting their tanks or the civilians
so paying people to move onto stolen land is a legitimate charity. they keep digging at the hole they way they are their going to hit magma soon.
ah yes the we must do what is feasible. screw feasible lets do what the LAW demands
your missing something though. the Jewish family had the choice to return the palestinian one didn't.
of course you'd applaud them. they ask the palestinians to wait longer to get their right and give the Israelis more time to ensure they will never get them
Funny japan is actually menaced(North Korea and China) while the only threats Israel suffers are of its own doing making. The double standard yet lives
So because their parents managed to get away with crimes until they died the victims of those crimes and their decendents should be denied justice. I'm sorry but to feel sorry and say that the current Israeli occupents of stolen land should keep it because of the time they managed to keep their grubby hands on is insulting and makes a mockery to the rule of law.
So the jews taking land is justice but them getting it back isn't. sorry but the palestinians getting their land and the ISraelis being removed is the only thing that is just.
also you seem to use the same tactic as many pro Israeli people doing say well they can have the craps and do what ever. I can never get the arrogance you people have in demanding the palestinians be stripped of more rights. I feel bad for those people whose lives will be wrecked by following the law but tough for them. they have zero right to it.
um the answer is simple because their parents were denied the chance. I'm sorry but well the clock ran out is just not a good enough reason to prevent justice for the the vicitms of crimes against humanity
the problem being there is no such thing as israeli self determination
If you support Israel than you don't support self determination your just spitting on the concept. All you have done is show you don't understand the concept or believe its ok to commit crimes to try and pretend people have rights they don't. the vast majority of those jews at least in my opinion don't have the right to self determination. they aren't their legiatimately so as far as I'm concerned their irrelevant. the only true self determination would only be involving those whose ancestors were there legitimately before the war that stole the palestinians right to self determination from them.
when they prevent justice from happening yes
while it maybe that some left lets not pretend that the arab nations were as white as snow in the morality row after the war.
I don't know about others but for me for a state to have the right to exist it must be the result of true self determination meaning the wishes of the legiatimate resident population.
which could be argued was a valid Cassus belli (latin for case of war)
last time I checked 2500 years is more than 1600 years
that's because there are more people who speak that language
says something that a school that is trying to teach muslims and if i understand them right help them take their place in making america great is painted as extreme and radical while a jewish school actively promotes another state one which has attacked this one and no one bats an eye.
Most people however only have one loyalty when it comes to states and its the one they reside in and are a citizen off. A jewish citizen of america shouldn't care about Israel they should care about the USA.
so expecting and demanding a legal right is wanting a national privilage. seems to me your argument is not about stop a palestinian "national privilage" but about making sure a jewish one stays intact.
Sad that's what passes for maorality among them