"The balance of justice does not result from punishing the past, in pendulum swings of mutual injustices. It results in forming a consensus based on the will of the present electorate(s) achieving a viable future.
If refugees are assisted, that is the healing, that is the justice. Removing another family from their home is not justice."
Boy, you really do have a problem with the fact that Germans are at fault when it comes to talking about WW II. Why else your frequent, if not frantic, references to German victims? "Gustloff" was well known before Grass spilled the beans - it's just that nobody gave a damn about what, e.g., Walter Kempowski had to say about it...
Please, stop manipulating history to make it suitable for your own agenda.
"If Grosser was not Jewish and a victim of the Nazis he would never have been considered as a speaker in the first place, and not defended against criticism from Jewish leaders and Israeli diplomats."
Really, who defended Grosser in the days before his speech? After all, it was Grosser's own decision, against the tide of critics, to speak on 9th November.
And why do you say that it is a problem that Jews speak on the day when the Nazi-pogrom called "Reichspogromnacht" is commemorated?
However, reading Norr, there is one question that comes to my mind: What’s his point, i.e. what does he propose?
Avoiding the Shoa? Even forgetting it? By remaining silent here, Norr not only restricts himself to describing NPR’s own policy – he seems to be eager to make room for rather sinister conclusions…
One of my personal intellectual heroes, Marc H. Ellis, strongly warns against the exclusion of Shoa memory and commemoration. There must be a third way, beyond shutting up about the Shoa or using it to legitimize the ongoing Nakba. There’s got to be a third way!
Commemorating the Holocaust => supporting Israeli settlements and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?
If this is what it takes to practice solidarity with Palestinians, then thanks but no thanks...
"Chomsky’s inability or unwillingness to accept Israel’s primary responsibility for its crimes against the Palestinians and will only add that the most significant of these, the ethnic cleansing of the Nakba in 1948, and the seizure of the West Bank, Gaza with the further expulsion of Palestinians to Jordan were carried out by Israel without the backing of any imperial power, something Chomsky and those who support his position do not mention."
And here we go again - the tender embrace of oppotunism
I don't really get your point - I take it you call all this solidarity with the Palestinians. How is this solidarity different from what hardcore-right-or-wrong-my-Israel Likudniks practice, i.e. trying to silence critics of what they call the right cause?
Anxiety breeds hatred breeds bigotry.
Three Jewish boys playing football in a cage - who needs Palestinians anyway? That's how I see the message of the pic.
"The balance of justice does not result from punishing the past, in pendulum swings of mutual injustices. It results in forming a consensus based on the will of the present electorate(s) achieving a viable future.
If refugees are assisted, that is the healing, that is the justice. Removing another family from their home is not justice."
Couldn't agree more.
Boy, you really do have a problem with the fact that Germans are at fault when it comes to talking about WW II. Why else your frequent, if not frantic, references to German victims? "Gustloff" was well known before Grass spilled the beans - it's just that nobody gave a damn about what, e.g., Walter Kempowski had to say about it...
Please, stop manipulating history to make it suitable for your own agenda.
"If Grosser was not Jewish and a victim of the Nazis he would never have been considered as a speaker in the first place, and not defended against criticism from Jewish leaders and Israeli diplomats."
Really, who defended Grosser in the days before his speech? After all, it was Grosser's own decision, against the tide of critics, to speak on 9th November.
And why do you say that it is a problem that Jews speak on the day when the Nazi-pogrom called "Reichspogromnacht" is commemorated?
However, reading Norr, there is one question that comes to my mind: What’s his point, i.e. what does he propose?
Avoiding the Shoa? Even forgetting it? By remaining silent here, Norr not only restricts himself to describing NPR’s own policy – he seems to be eager to make room for rather sinister conclusions…
One of my personal intellectual heroes, Marc H. Ellis, strongly warns against the exclusion of Shoa memory and commemoration. There must be a third way, beyond shutting up about the Shoa or using it to legitimize the ongoing Nakba. There’s got to be a third way!
Commemorating the Holocaust => supporting Israeli settlements and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?
If this is what it takes to practice solidarity with Palestinians, then thanks but no thanks...
But what is the consequence of this? Delete Israel?
Linda, what's your problem? Chomsky's lack of anti-Zionist commitment?
Come on, bob, title, page, paragraph, statement!
Thanks, Keith.
See, Phil, that's why I love your blog so much! You have got the power to admit to mistakes. And to start again. Good for you!
Liebermann's accent reminds me of the fact that some of the most radical settlers from, say, Kiryat Arba, speak with a thick American accent...
"Chomsky’s inability or unwillingness to accept Israel’s primary responsibility for its crimes against the Palestinians and will only add that the most significant of these, the ethnic cleansing of the Nakba in 1948, and the seizure of the West Bank, Gaza with the further expulsion of Palestinians to Jordan were carried out by Israel without the backing of any imperial power, something Chomsky and those who support his position do not mention."
And here we go again - the tender embrace of oppotunism
Well, Phil, of course. After all, Jeff Blankfort's gotta eat... ;-)
In addition to that - in Abu Tor - a Palestinian neighborhood in Jerusalem - resides the Willy Brandt Center.
Awesome story. Thanks!
I don't really get your point - I take it you call all this solidarity with the Palestinians. How is this solidarity different from what hardcore-right-or-wrong-my-Israel Likudniks practice, i.e. trying to silence critics of what they call the right cause?
Ellis is not a rabbi...