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America's 'full acceptance' of Jews is a problem? Is there any difference between that sentiment and the sentiment of some KKK member bemoaning the race mixing that is leading to the destruction of white culture?
"Yeah, but whaddabout [insert name of country with horrible human rights record]?" is a really weak defense strategy.
You can't be serious? The racism behind what Kerry said could not be clearer than if he had spoken of the threat of a 'demographic timebomb' to the USA posed by Hispanics, or blacks, Asians, or any other 'other'. I can't imagine the thickness of the Zionist filter that makes you unable to see that. What a burden, never being able to take that off, not even for a second.
I would be very pleased if I saw an editorial in the NYT calling for a boycott of the USA until it turned over Bush, Cheney et al to the Hague for their crimes in the countries you name. I think their are many, many Americans who would share that feeling.
If it was funny I wouldn't care, even if it does make fun of my WASP heritage. But it is just not funny. Do they make money on these things? If so, how?
Back in the late 60s my family moved to Europe and I attended an International School. On our school bus were a small group of Israeli kids. I knew very little about the Israeli/Palestine issue and had no opinion either way, but I recall being disgusted by the glee with which several of the boys told us about how in some youth military training camp shooing practice consisted of shooting dogs in the desert. They saw nothing wrong with that at all.
Given the journalist admitted her ignorance about the political issues involved, it would seem she is a prime candidate for some kind of sponsored study-tour so she could get the viewpoint of the Palestinians impacted by these projects. I know the Israelis spend millions each year on similar ventures. Is there any money available for things like this on the Palestinian side?
Given the duplicity and deception by which Israel obtained its nuclear weapons capability it is certainly easy to understand why they refuse to trust Iran. People who lie, cheat, and otherwise deceive often do so because they believe everyone thinks like they do. I don't know if Iran intends to follow the Israelis in that fashion, but it wouldn't bother if that turns out to be the case. In the absence of any regional effort to ban nuclear weapons, which is a non-starter given Israel's intransigence on that topic, I could not blame Iran at all for wanting some too.
Nit-picking, for what purpose I am not quite sure. In any case, I believe that a good portion of the people in the areas you mention are there because they were driven off the land they originally inhabited.
The history of the Chinese people in the USA is replete with stories of severe discrimination, including pogroms which saw Chinese communities destroyed and inhabitants killed, discriminatory laws, and laws preventing or limiting their immigration until relatively recent times. I wonder if Americans of Chinese ethnicity spend a lot of time worrying about a return to those days, and also wonder if there are Chinese groups actively persuading them to return to their homeland in China? I am not Chinese, but I suspect that a lot of them would find the idea of China being their homeland quite offensive.
That is a terrible tragedy for the family involved, but when you are a soldier of a brutal occupation force you are fair game under the rules of war, sleeping or not. Furthermore, I doubt very much that you have ever shed a tear or thought for the hundreds of Palestinian children who have been maimed or shot dead for throwing stones. It's always different for your side isn't it? Israeli soldiers are killed by inhuman terrorists, but Palestinian kids shouldn't throw stones if they don't want to get shot. About sums it up doesn't it? The world is running out of sympathy for you.
In a moment I am going to click a few keys and buy a copy for my sister with the instruction to pay it forward by buying a copy for someone else. I encourage everyone to do likewise. Let us get this on the NYT Best Sellers List.
...with 200+ nukes. Given Israel's Samson Option I find that far more frightening than the prospect of Iran having a couple.
Yeah, a real whodunnit.
Sorry, I seemed to have missed the part where new US citizens have to swear their loyalty/allegiance to the Christian state.
What a way with words you have! I think you might have a future in the Israeli diplomatic corps!
Well, we just learned that the US has an agreement to turn over intercepts made on US citizens to Israel, so you can add that to their bag of tricks.
What is really disgusting about these types of events is that if the US government had a spine and used one one hundredth of the potential leverage it has it could snap its fingers and make this stop in a heartbeat. Instead, our politicians are now considering giving Israelis across the board free access to the USA.
Imagine the brouhaha if a white person in the USA was to say something along the lines of, "We need a white ethnic homeland somewhere so we can have a 'locus of pride'. Actually, we do have white people saying that from time to time and they are instantly and routinely condemned as racists. If there was ever any doubt that Zionism is racism it has surely been expelled by now.
I am going to go out on a limb here and venture that had Einstein been a supporter of Zionism you would think he was the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I hope fnlevit will not mind my summarizing his rather long copypasta:
"Whaddabout the Western Powers treating some Germans after the war even worse than the Israelis treated the Palestinians?"
Exactly the same, great comparison, and totally justifies Israeli behavior! Thanks for sharing!
For the sake of argument, let's assume the author is correct and the Palestinians have no case. How, then, do you justify Israel maintaining such a right for Jews?
Funny isn't it how Israel has no problem accepting right of return claims that are some 2,000 years old and backed by no physical evidence or documentation (Jewish? Welcome aboard!), but categorically rejects claims dating back a mere 65 years or so and in many cases well documented. Nothing unfair about that!
I agree with you, it is not fair to condemn vile racists without taking into account the positive things they have done as well. Entirely fair and understandable. I feel the same way when I see people constantly dissing old Adolf, without even mentioning that he helped save Germany from economic ruin, gave the world the autobahn, helped create the Volkswagen, and other positive achievements. So partisan, so unfair!
I am glad you brought this up. Israel's Samson Option, mentioned by senior and mainstream Israelis a number of times, is far and away the biggest terrorist threat to the world as we know it, with any other threats a distant second. Here is the gist of the Samson Option, stated in brief by Israel's senior military historian Professor Martin Van Creveld:
"Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under."
What is particularly frightening is that whereas most terrorists lack the means or ability to carry out their threats, Israel has more than enough nukes and other weapons to make good on this one. In a nutshell, if they don't get their way they will take the world down with them. If ever there was a good reason to be on a terror watch list and subject to severe sanctions this would surely be it. Unfortunately we now live in what Justin Raimondo terms Bizarro World, a world in which everything is the opposite of what one would normally expect, and Iran, with no nuclear weapons and no history of attacking other nations for many generations is now the greatest threat to world peace. You just can't make this stuff up.
Anyone else find it odd that the fake KKK marchers sport a sign calling for beheading? I don't recall seeing the KKK doing that, seems lynching was the much preferred and all American method. Perhaps this poster was recycled from an anti-Muslim poster from a similar effort by the person who created this video.
I am sick and tired of seeing these people advocating for war on the flimsiest of evidence and in violation of international and even US law. Julius Streicher found out that you don't actually have to pull a trigger or drop a bomb to be convicted of a crime against humanity, and some day these thugs should face a similar reckoning. A good start would be with those who lied us into Iraq, many of whom are active participants in cheerleading an attack on Syria.
If the goal is the stop Assad from using chemical weapons (assuming that was true) how is any limited action going to effect that? That's a rhetorical question, because anyone with an IQ above that of a plant knows that cruise missiles will not be able to stop the use of chemical weapons and might lead to further disaster if a depot is breached and gas gets out. It also gives Assad the motive to disperse all the chemical weapons, where they could then fall into the hands of Al-Qaeda, rebel factions, or God knows who. If Assad is really the ruthless madman they depict, then any attack would increase the possibility he would further use those weapons. One thing is crystal clear, this proposed action will not protect the Syrian people. It is all BS, because the real plan is to degrade the Syrian military and remove any threat to US and Israeli plans for the region. Next stop: Iran. I am hoping the American people say enough and back that up with action, but I am not optimistic. If any incident involving Americans getting hurt or killed can be tied to Syria, support for any US military action will zoom to 90%. I am sure there are parties hoping or even planning for just that.
Ostensibly this is all about saving the people of Syria, and yet we need only look at Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to see with crystal clarity what is in store for them.
The US government has pushed my hypocrisy meter to its max reading with all their crocodile tears for the people of Syria. The US is a player in the war in Syria and is as much responsible for deaths there as is Assad. More so even, since any ruler, democratic or otherwise, will fight to the end to prevent the overthrow of a country's government, particularly when foreign forces are involved. What is really sick is that while the US is so, so concerned about the Syrians, they don't give a rat's ass about the charnel house the Egypt has become under their military government. So unconcerned that it will not stop the spigots of US dollars and weapons going to support those mad-dog killers.
On a related note, is it not possible for a Nobel Peace Prize to be withdrawn? If that committee had any self-respect they would have done so long ago. Think what a message that would send if they were to man up and do that.
The USA is now completely under the rule of men, not law. Our leaders do what they want because they have complete immunity to the laws that ordinary Americans are bound to follow. Nothing will change until these people are charged and convicted for the laws that they break.
If this was the pittance you suggest, Israel would not be fighting so hard every year to not only keep it, but to increase it. In any case, thank you for so clearly describing this as the corporate welfare scheme that it is, which provides anothe reason for ending it.
Can you please explain how a RoR apparently exists for any Jew in the world, even converts, but not for the Palestinians? How does that work?
You think thumping is an amplification of pounding?? If anything it is the other way around. Quite a reach there though.
I would love to know what her 'further research' turned up.
That she isn't feminist enough?
Not well known to the public?
Not published anything worth noting?
In the end, who ended up being the 'Optimum Choice' ? Anyone know?
Why do we let ourselves get bogged down in these games? At the heart of this issue is the fact that a group of people believe they have a covenant from God to live on this piece of land. Everything else is a diversion. No logical arguments, concessions, or trades are going to change their minds because they believe the land is theirs from God. Time is wasted on peace efforts with people who don't want peace, while meanwhile Palestinian territory disappears every day. The only way this might possibly end somewhat peacefully is if the US and others stop bankrolling Israel and the US stops running interference for them at the UN and other world bodies, combined with increased boycott efforts.
I want to make a general point, namely that this thread and all the threads here are perfect examples of what a game changer the Internet has been. In the past the rare positive articles dealing with this issue in newspapers would be quickly followed up with hasbara letters, and that would be the last word on the subject. Now, the minute Zionists try to spin events with their BS 'facts' readers can respond to point out their lies. I am surely not the first to say it, but the rise of the Internet is probably the worst thing to happen to Zionists since they pulled off their heist.
Your analogy fails on a number of levels, but particularly on waiting times. I pass through LAX from overseas once or twice a year. The lines for US citizens are rarely that much shorter than that for foreign nationals, and I usually wait for up to an hour. One time the wait with customs inspection was just shy of two hours. In any case the facilities are air conditioned and completely the same for citizens and non-citizens. I can't speak for JFK, but at LAX I have never seen fewer than a dozen or so immigration officers, and there are always a number of other officials to direct people in lines and field questions. Having said that, the experience is sub-optimal at LAX for everyone, but orders of magnitude better than the illegal checkpoint in question here. Nice try though.
I suspect he is waiting for word from his immediate superior on what the talking points should be for this one.
Of course not, and thanks for making that point!
Despite the recent surveillance disclosures, I think you attribute a level of competence to the NSA/CIA far in excess to that which is deserved.
Henry David Thoreau broke the law. Rosa Parks broke the law. Daniel Ellsberg broke the law, Martin Luther King broke the law. There is a long and glorious list of Americans who 'broke the law' to make our country a better one, and it's not just 'leftists' who fall for people like that.
Not that there is any doubt that Zionism is racism in its unadulterated form, but it is nice to see that even Zionists are coming clean on that.
How do you hold these two thoughts in your head at the same time without it exploding? That it is unreasonable for people expelled from a land within the last 60+ years to expect to be able to return, but entirely reasonable for people claiming to have been expelled from the same land over 2,000 years ago to claim a similar right?
Here we go again with the inferior culture trope: If only Palestinians had a different (meaning = better) culture they would take the high road and commit suicide rather than throw stones at their occupiers.
Yes, and I am sure you will agree that attacking densely populated urban areas and killing and critically injured hundreds upon hundreds of women and children (see Gaza) is a deadly crime that cannot continue. Right?
So Mondonut, following your logic you must believe that the populations of countries occupied by the Nazis during WWII had no right to violent resistance under International Law? The Warsaw Uprising was a criminal act, right?
If Klein is right just about every other comedian should be a Palestinian.
Zionism is a political movement, and its adherents are known as Zionists. Likening Zionism and its adherents to a cancerous tumour is no more outré than doing the same for other racist political systems, whether Apartheid and its followers, German National Socialism and its followers, the Aryan Brotherhood and its followers, and so on ad nauseum.
Aljazeera English today is nothing like the way it was a few years back. The constraints imposed by the owners in reporting on Libya, Syria, Egypt, etc. are very evident nowadays. With the US launch things can only get worse. I used to watch it all the time a few years back on satellite, but stopped after it became very apparent they were not reporting, but cheerleading events in Libya. I tuned in the other night to see a featured guest drone on for the entire segment about what a traitor Bradley Manning was, with nobody on to rebut or offer a countering view. I would have thought I was watching Fox except for the logo that told me otherwise and the fact I can't get Fox on my dish. Be prepared to be disappointed.
I am glad that Chomsky mentioned the Luis Posada case. Every presidential press conference should have at least one reporter asking the President why this man walks free in the US.
For the hard core Zionists, fence sitting is the same as being actively opposed to Israel. You're either with 'em or agin 'em.
We are now fully in an era of pre-crime, wherein Iran (and anyone else) must be destroyed for even the possibility that they may one day be able to create a nuclear bomb or anything else that could conceivably threaten Israel, a logical extension of Israel's 'Beggar thy Neighbor' policy. The only question in my mind now is whether or not the US can stop this madness before it is pulled down by it.
Indyk is not representing Israel, he is working on behalf of the US government. Is it really unreasonable to ask for someone without a long history of being very partial to one of the two sides in the negotiations?
There is a way to see YouTube video URLs so that they start when you want. I found this, but there may be other methods:
Add the following hash to the end of the link: "#t=1m20s" where "m" = the minutes and "s" = the seconds.
For example heres a video that is 1 minute and 45 seconds long, I only want to show the part that begins at 1 minute and 19 seconds till the end.
Why does anyone on the Palestinian side continue to play this game with the Israelis? They have made their end game abundantly clear, and all they are engaging in is delaying tactics that result in a continued chipping away of what little the Palestinians have. I can guarantee that nothing positive for Palestininans will come from this. Absolutely guarantee it. If this was a gambling forum I would be will to stake some cold cash on it.
Very similar to the situation in Thailand and probably a number of other US allies.
Take out a piece of paper. Draw a line down the middle. In the left-hand column write down the name of any Hollywood movies that portray Jews and/or Israelis in a positive light, or deal with aspects of Jewish history such as the holocaust. You can start with the movie reviewed above. If you like, you can make a separate sub-column for all the holocaust and WWII-themed movies that come out every year. If your wrist isn't too sore after all that writing, in the right-hand column write down the names of movies featuring positive portrayals of Arabs, that deal with the plight of Palestinians, that have roles for Arabs other than as terrorists or bad guys, etc. I know your hand may be sore after you finished column 1, but I promise you column 2 will only take a minute or so. Now look at both columns. Notice any difference?
On 3 Mar 2001, a Thai 737-400 exploded on the tarmac. Interestingly, the Thai Prime Minister at the time was to board that flight during the next 30 minutes. Popular with the masses, he was and is hated by the elites that run the country, so much so that he was deposed in a coup a few years later and then convicted of a relatively minor crime to keep him away. His sister is PM now and quite popular, but hated by the same crowd, who feel, with some justification, that she is a proxy for her brother. Back to the explosion, initial reports said that traces of an explosive were found, and it was strongly suspected that this was an assassination attempt, but later it was found that it was a center tank explosion like the one on TWA Flight 800 and another airplane in the Philippines. Any investigation by Thai authorities would have to be taken with a very large grain of salt, there would have been no such thing as an impartial investigation dedicated solely to finding the truth. I find it interesting that in this case too traces of explosive were found and then one day 'not found'. The wreck sat at the gate for some time, I passed in once with my family on the way to board our plane, always a reassuring sight, not! BTW, if I recall correctly, it was relatively intact, burnt in the center. A steward was on the plane at the time and died in the fire.
Excellent observation. It would be interesting to hear Obama's justification, but the chances of any White House 'journalists' asking the question are probably pretty slim.
Hophmi, for once I agree with you! Societies can indeed change, and quickly. The best example I can think of is how oppressed Jews became the oppressors in Palestine.
I couldn't find the source for the Meir quote in the link.
1. Yes it is. The difference is that in most civilized countries the police/military response is not routinely lethal and/or result in long terms of imprisonment. ESPECIALLY for children.
2. Putting aside the issue of whether or not they are being 'used' by others, I think you will have a very difficult time persuading legal authorities, or anyone else for that matter, that children or even adults throwing stones constitute 'soldiers'.
Your's was a very, very weak argument. Please re-read the Hasbara manual or consult with an advisor.
Seriously, is there a flow chart for hasbara arguments out there? If not, someone (not me!) should create it. In these responses I have identified three tactics among the many. The first, by hopfmi, is that the author is a nut so what he says has no value. The second, by dimadok, is that the Ben-Gurion quote is fake. The third, from a book citation, can be summed up as, "Ok, he said it, but it was taken out of context." Anything to avoid addressing the argument or the facts.
hophmi--you keep doing this and it is getting annoying. Instead of engaging in argumentum ad hominem, why don't you address the issues raised? Such as: Are the allegations of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis true or false? Did Ben-Gurion say that, or not? Since you so frequently engage in arguing against the character or background of the person rather than address their argument or facts, I can't help but surmise that you know what they are saying is true and you have no other argument against it. If you are going to argue effectively for Zionism you need to start addressing the issues and facts and stop the diversion tactics.
Just---You need look no further than the comment preceding yours for one answer to your question.
Although I am a Yank, years of working with Brits and living overseas has seen me absorbing their use of 'flog' in the sense of to sell or promote, e.g. He was flogging newspapers for a living.' I am sure I am not the first reader to wonder why someone was accusing Phil of promoting Israel!
Alice Walker is a US citizen. Her tax dollars and her government's policies, as I am sure she is well aware, go a long way to support Israel and its apartheid activities. She therefore has every right to focus a small part of her efforts on rectifying that situation. As she lives in the USA, I am not sure how she would boycott the country in any case. Using your standard, even Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, etc. & etc. could never have accomplished what they did.
She's the real deal. Gutsy and doing what we should all be doing on a daily basis when it comes to the government officials wreaking our foreign policy on the rest of the word. I wrote her once about something and she took the time to write me back right away, and it wasn't just a boilerplate response. I have sent Code Pink money and it is time to send them some more.
Israel's PR efforts have finally jumped the shark.
Just imagine what it must be like to be Palestinian--first to be told you don't even exist, and now that your dead children are not even dead!
In all the Asian countries I have visited or lived in, skin color is an obsession to an extent that you would be hard to find even among Western racists. Alabaster white is at the top of the scale and darker shades at the bottom. This is seen as normal, and hardly worthy of comment, even by those with darker skin tones, who have internalized those values and will quite openly tell you how ugly their skin color is and how beautiful white skin is. It should therefore be no surprise that the opinions of Africans or black people in general are not very positive, even if they have had zero actual dealings with them.
Oh Goodness, Annie, I meant this to be a reply to the comment byIL1948. I am sorry to make your work even harder.
Fair enough, let's start with these then, others can add to this if they wish:
IDF: State-backed terrorists
Israeli West Bank Wall: Apartheid Wall
Israeli treatment of Arab citizens: Separate but equal
Recent Israeli attacks on Syria: Naked, unprovoked aggression against neighboring state
This story is linked now on Reddit. The fourth most popular comment so far claims that Mondoweiss is a white supremacist site and 'the they are the sons of Stormfront'. A few comments down is this gem, "Mondoweiss is relatively known-- for their antisemitic and far left leanings. Not a particularly good source of journalistic integrity." It gets worse from there.
Shocking decision, what kind of journalists would attend such a program? I just wrote them, thanks for the address Seafroid.
Thanks Sumud. I couldn't get your link to work, but googled and found it here:
link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com
This brouhaha has brought out the full panoply of hasbara tactics and leads me to a question. Has anyone ever categorized them neatly somewhere? The tried and true ones I have seen used in this episode so far have been:
1. Pooh-poohing: Initially from a hasbara on another site: It's not a big deal, what's the fuss? Doesn't mean much (He was quick off the gun and probably hadn't received marching orders yet).
2. Lies: He didn't intend this as a boycott, the chips that keep him alive are from Israel, etc.
3. Whatabouttery: What about the plight of the disabled in Arab countries?
4. You need to hate them too: Arabs are so much worse than Israelis, Palestinian culture is uniquely evil, etc. This is the one I detest the most, this trying to get others to hate the people you hate.
Another fav I have seen elsewhere is 'Na-na, you did it too': You Americans didn't treat the Indians nicely so you have no right to talk.
If this has been done I would appreciate the link, and if not it is something that should be done.
How would Israel (or the US, or the UK, or the...) deal with an armed rebellion financed by foreign powers and featuring a large number of foreign fighters, some linked to Al Qaeda and other fundamentalists? I doubt brutal crackdown would begin to cover what you would see. Let's be honest here. Assad might not be an angel, but this is a war that was conceived far away from Syria, and kept going by outside forces. Faced with that, most countries would resort to any means necessary to defeat it.
I frequent a forum that has a hasbara who is always quick to post on any topic involving Israel aka Palestine. When this story broke he was quick to write words to the effect that it was no big deal, meanlingless, etc. Apparently those higher up the Zio-chain thought otherwise.
Simple rule in operation in the USA: If the other country is not Israel, any ties are fair game. If Israel, it's anti-semitic.
First a few drops, then a rivulet, followed by a stream, and some day a torrent that no dam can hold back. Congratulations Palestine!
Official word now is that they are brothers from Chechnya. So, those hoping they were white got their wish, but those hoping they were not Muslim probably didn't. In any case Chris Matthews is once again completely wrong, although he probably did get a nice shiver up his leg.
I am just so damn tired of Zionists telling me how Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims are evil and how I should fear/hate/dislike them. This brings to mind an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm from Season 8 that I recently watched. In a nutshell, the Palestinians patronizing a Palestinian chicken restaurant were characterized as possessing a deep and abiding hatred of Jews, to the point that they applaud en masse when Larry David prevents a Jewish friend wearing a kippah from entering the restaurant. That entire episode would be worthy of discussion here, if it has not already been so.
I hope you are right Annie, but seeing that we see events and discussions of the I-P issue without the participation of a single Palestinian it wouldn't surprise me.
Tyler? Is that just an Arabic name that happens to sound like our English Tyler, or was there a western Tyler somewhere in the family tree? Genuinely curious, not going anywhere with this question.
The Soviet Union supported a government promoting a secular society in Afghanistan. The US made sure that was destroyed. Iraq under Saddam was a secular society. The US made sure that it was destroyed. Libya was a secular society, the US did its level best to make sure that it was destroyed. And now the US is working on destroying Syria and its secular government. Anyone see a pattern here?
Israel and the USA need Turkey on board in order to pursue their designs on Syria and Iran, thus the apology.
The vastly disproportionate representation of any group is certainly worthy of comment and examination. Doubly so when substantial numbers of that same group seek to influence US foreign policy towards another nation.
Israeli needs Turkey on board for the Syria and Iran campaigns, so makes perfect sense. Not really an apology either. Very much akin to the "I am sorry if [what I did] bothered you" genre of faux apologies.
There must come a time when even the most die-hard Obama supporter must realize that he is the exact opposite of the man they thought they were voting for. Surely that moment must have arrived by now for anyone who had hoped that he would be some kind of game-changer in this arena. It's over, done, and time to forget about him playing anything other than a destructive role here. Anyone know where Elizabeth Warren stands on the I-P issue?
I find it absolutely mind boggling that people who deny Palestinians the right of return to a place they were expelled from within living memory can at the same time support the right of return for Jews whose ancestors may have lived there several thousand years ago!
There is not much that will make me vomit, but this is very close.
This would only come as a shock to those who get their news from CNN, Fox, or their local newspaper. That is to say, about 95% of the US.
The day that the US government denies native Americans rights available to other Americans based solely on their ethnicity is the day that I will see any equivalence of this story to the plight of the Palestinian people.
Has anyone painted the names of all the young people the Israelis have killed on that wall they built? If not, they should paint their name and picture on it. One caveat, keep the space for each image/name small, otherwise they might run out of space before too long.
Hophmi, can you provide us with any details on how he deserved to be shot? Did he throw a stone, or act in a furtive manner, or was this just one of those 'accidents'?
The difference between the two situations could not be greater. On the one hand you have North Korea making a nuclear threat and possibly having the means to deliver on it, and on the other you have Iran, which according to US security agencies does not even have a nuclear bomb program. And yet, by way of contrast, US authorities, while taking the NK issue seriously, are constantly downplaying the threat, while at the same time trying to scare us to death about the 'threat' posed by Iran.
This is one of those things you couldn't make up. If you saw it in a movie you would say it was too ridiculous. A country with nuclear weapons, a certifiably crazy leadership, and likely possessing the ability to deliver said weapons to North America actually threatens to do so, and the powers that be are all, "Nothing to see here, move along." At the same time, a country with no nuclear weapons, with no ability to deliver them to North America, and that has not threatened to do so, is being treated as if it is posed a mortal danger to world peace, and must be dealt with immediately by the US through war. All that at the prodding of a tiny, tiny, country thousands of miles away from the USA. Any Americans responsible for this sideshow distraction are in dereliction of their duty, and God help them if North Korea actually follows through in some way.
Oh, if only Obama would have the balls to tell the Israelis, "I've got a deal for you--Pollard for Vanunu. How 'bout them apples?".
See: Distinction without a difference.
Switzerland is not and never has been a medieval kingdom. Closer to the mark might be San Marino? Seafroid's point remains a good one.
'Doing something' about the Internet would be at the top of my list if I were a Zionist.
Every Palestinian from age 10 on up should have a video recording apparatus that is on 24/7, and videos like this should be uploaded for the world to see. I am aware that there are efforts like that underway. If anyone knows of one that accepts PayPal please let me know.
Compare and contrast his reaction to being caught perpetrating what even a KKK member knows is an offensive stereotype with the butthurt that results when some ignorant Chinese kids or British royal dresses up as a German soldier for a costume party. Somehow that's different and worthy of unending scorn until the appropriate amends are made and educational programs put in place.
I am a bit surprised that the usual suspects have not shown up here yet to inform us that:
1. It was not a child, it was a man.
2. It was not just an ordinary man, it was someone about to place a bomb in a kindergarten.
3. Even though the above means it is not really a big deal, taking a photo is not right and we acted quickly to punish the offender.
4. The US treated the Indians far worse...
I think they could. They could dream up a character who held fast to his beliefs rather than deny them.
Even so, Hagel would possibly be an improvement, but puleeze everyone, remember the high hopes you had for Obama?
I understand that Lorne Michaels pulled this at the last minute, but made it available on the web. If that is correct, could his making it available immediately like that be a form of protest at being pressured to drop it? Just thinkin'.
BTW. Hulu only works in the US and a few other countries, and to get Hulu overseas involves a big hassle with some kind of workaround. For those of us overseas something on Youtube is best.
Good point. I wonder how much time the FBI spends trying to entrap disturbed and manipulable members of the Jewish community into planning acts again Arabs, Muslims, or Palestinians? My guess is pretty close to zero.
Haven't a clue what you are getting at with your reply. Can you try again please?
People in the not-too-distant future will look back on this era of subservience to Israeli interests slack-jawed in wonder, not believing how such a tiny country was able to control what on paper is the most powerful country on earth, and get it to do things that were inimical to its interests. Shame on Hagel, who could have taken a principled stand but instead rolled over like a whimpering dog.
The Hasbara will spin it as an aberration, and say that the fact that this is coming out is proof the system works. That will be followed by a less than gentle reminder that more than a few US states and some European countries practiced involuntary sterilization up until the 1980s, therefore making this not so much of a sin. The latter tactic is from the same play book they use when they bring up the dismal treatment of native Americans by the US to justify their treatment of Palestinians. There is nothing they cannot or will not spin. Think Saddam's spokesman in the closing days of the US invasion, the guy who was denying things that were happening right behind his shoulder on TV screens. As a true believer that didn't faze him, just as similar events won't faze the Hasbara.
Note too, that as short as this article is she managed to attach some kind of identity (leftist professor, teenage boy belonging to a community of Jews who believe in Jesus) for the two Jews who were wounded, but it's just "Two Palestinians" for the two people who were MURDERED. A lot more information is contained in that omission and the brevity of this piece.
How can Cohen write, "There is in history no right of return." Isn't the whole modern day basis of Israel founded upon the right of Jews to return to their promised land?? Does he really want to go there??
We can't bemoan or complain about a state of affairs unless we are prepared to completely and irrevocably alter our life to do something about it?? Seriously? I am 'wallowing in victimhood' because I point out an extreme case of bias but am not prepared to abandon my family to pursue a career as a movie mogul?
My apologies if you were being sarcastic, sometimes that doesn't come through well in written form.
The chance that my 'movie' would receive any kind of distribution in the US is close to zero. The people making movies know that, surely you do too?
Thanks Cliff. Just for the ducks of it I googled a subgenre of films dealing with a Jewish issue, namely "Holocaust Films", and up comes a Wikipedia page listing, what, 250+ different films dealing with the subject (50 documentaries during 2000-2010 alone, not to mention countless dramas, etc.). Now, of course there is nothing wrong in portraying that horrible part of our collective history, and not all of those are Hollywood films, but you can see the problem here when you google "Nakba films' and come up with something like four documentaries dealing with that, not a one of them a Hollywood production. When you stack the other list against that it is overwhelming, completely disproportionate, and telling.
That's good, thanks, and if you think hard enough you might be able to come up with a couple more. Bear in mind none of those deals with Palestinians, and you say they contain 'fair' depictions, which really is damning with faint praise isn't it? I bet if I asked you (or any other avid movie-goer) to come up with a list of Hollywood productions that portrayed Jews and/or Israel positively it would start with Exodus and continue on for several pages. This movie is just part of a long Hollywood tradition.
Serious question here. Can anyone list any Hollywood movies or TV features that featured a positive depiction of Arabs or Muslims in, say, the last 50 years? How about any movies or TV shows that were sympathetic to the Palestinian cause? If the list is too long perhaps you can save it to a web site and post the URL here :)
Jimmy: You hit the nail on the head. How do you reason or deal with people who base their claim to a land on ownership conferred by God several thousand years ago? You can't, using any rational or modern-day methods. Recently the Zionists let in several thousand tribal people from NE India who claim to be Jewish based on a dream a visiting Christian pastor had in the 1950s. So, people born in that area and whose ancestors have lived there for generations (Palestinians, who many Zionists claim do not even exist as a people) cannot even return for a visit, but people who have no provable connection either genetically or religiously can settle there permanently based on their allegedly being Jewish. Gotta keep the numbers up dontchaknow? You can't make this stuff up! It is an untenable situation for a number of reasons, and given that the hard-core Zionists have threatened to destroy the world if they don't get their way a happy ending is unlikely. It will unravel when the US stops bankrolling and running interference for them. When that will happen who knows? But it will happen one day.
That an easy one to answer, and at the root of the entire problem. Zionists believe that Jews were given title to the land by God a few thousand years ago. So, in their minds, Jewish = Inalienable right to live there. This mindset is impervious to any rational argument, and the reason why the Zionist experiment will end very badly for those on both sides.
Thanks for asking Hophmi. I think we 'won' the nomination of someone despite strong Zionist opposition. That is a first, so very important. Our prize, hopefully, will be a foreign policy that puts American interests first and foremost. A longshot, but it looks like we may be headed in the right direction.
P.S. So sorry your pick didn't make it.
This is good news. Al-Jazeera English does present in-depth features and cover subjects that the US media ignore or shy from. They also engage in real journalism, and anyone used to the 'soundbite's and one minute coverage offered by US network news will be delighted to see news figures allowed to speak in complete sentences, even entire paragraphs! Moreover, they do not deal exclusively in topics related to the middle-east, and offer wide coverage of events around the world, often in the form of documentaries and interviews.
Having said that, in the last year or so constraints (biases) in their coverage have become quite noticeable. I first noticed this with their Libya coverage, when they completely jumped on board the "Khaddafi is the most evil dictator in the world, he must go" line, which was coincidently in line with the viewpoint (instructions?) of their Qatari owners. Ditto for Syrian coverage, and I think they have also been remiss on Bahrain as well.
Contrary to the expectations of many who have not viewed the channel, Israeli figures and spokespersons are given ample time to offer their opinions, defend policy, and participate in debates. One would think that would delight the pro-Israel crowd, but given the fact that the Israeli spokespersons usually end looking like evil fools as they seek to justify acts that to non-Zionists appears to be completely beyond the pale and in violation of just about any standard of human behavior. For this reason alone you can see why opponents will not be very keen to have the network made more widely available to the US public.
Still not sure if this will come to pass, but if it does I pray to God that Hagel really is as pure as Caesar's wife because as I write this there are people who are going through his kindergarten records to find something, something, they can use to quash his nomination.
Great posters and backstory, thanks for sharing!
This line really galls me:
"I know I share similar views of many past and current American elected officials, as well as Israeli leaders"
As if sharing the views of elected officials of the very nation that employed him as a spy is some kind of endorsement! You really couldn't make this stuff up, it is that unbelievable. Future generations are going to look back on Israel's 'special' relationship with the USA and wonder how that was tolerated for so long.
With all due respect to those still believing that Obama will nominate and fully support Hagel, let me humbly suggest that doing so brings to mind the Internet definition of insanity, namely "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."There is nothing, nada, zip in Obama's history or behavior that suggests he would make what amounts to a radical move in American politics, or in any way offend AIPAC.
P.S. I would so love to be wrong about this.
I find it telling that so much of the pro-Zionist effort is dedicated to persuading people that the 'enemies' of Zionism (Palestinians, Arabs, Islam, etc.) are a species apart and deserving of our fear and hate. When your prime goal is persuading people to hate entire categories of other people it is probably a good time to take a look in the mirror and rethink what you are doing.
Seriously folks, where is this idea that Obama will pick Hagel coming from? Ask yourselves, is there anything in the President's record that suggests he would pick someone with anything other than a near perfect approval rating from AIPAC? Wishful thinking, but it will NEVER happen. How many campaign promises does he have to break, how many times do you have to get burned, before you realize that when push comes to shove Obama is not going to rock any boats, especially when it comes to the Middle East.
The line beginning with "As Jews" should follow the Mandela quote, as per the ad. I was left wondering how I didn't know Mandela was Jewish!
You were there? You have seen the full tapes? You spoke to the witnesses? You have no knowledge of the myriad times Israeli authorities have been caught lying? I am going to go out on a limb by guessing the answers to the above questions are No, No, No, and No. Go back and consult the Hasbara playbook again, surely they have suggestions that will improve your next effort.
If powerful Israeli interests in the US think that Hagel has record that is "...unique in its animus towards Israel”, how in the world can anyone think that Obama would dare nominate him? Is there anything in President Obama's record indicating he would do something like that?
Several people have commented here about the different treatment meted out to Israelis and Palestinians by Israeli authorities. This difference was very starkly in evidence recently:
November 20: “Israeli man with ax attacks US embassy in Tel Aviv” Several warning shots were fired, and although a security guard was injured the attacker was arrested unharmed by police.
December 3: “Palestinian ‘with axe’ killed by Israeli forces in West Bank” This man was followed by security for looking suspicious, and then chased until the vehicles collided. He then allegedly came at the Israelis wielding an ax and was shot dead.
In case anyone missed it:
Case 1: Israeli attacks an embassy wielding an ax–warning shots fired, captured unharmed.
Case 2: Palestinian chased and rammed because he looks suspicious, then allegedly approached soldiers carrying an ax–shot dead, no warning shots.
I would not be so quick to accept the Israeli story that he had a plastic gun. It is entirely in the realm of possibility that it was planted, if it indeed even existed. The Israelis don't have a stellar track record, everything they say should be looked at very sceptically.
Imagine the tsunami of revulsion if he had written of another 'friend' this way:
And he thought the only way Nazi Germany could survive is, well he once told me, by killing all the Jews. I thought that may have been a bit of an exaggeration, but despite that, it didn’t affect my friendship, my admiration, indeed my love for him.
The mask is slowly slipping off Israel, and at this rate it will not be long before it has entirely slipped off. Important mainstream Israelis as far back as the 1960s (Golda Meir) and more recently military historian Martin van Creveld have threatened that Israel will take the entire world down with it before they go down. With their stockpile of nukes and nuclear missile enabled submarines they are entirely able to do just that. A nation making that threat is the very definition of a terrorist state, without even taking into consideration all the myriad acts of terrorism they have deployed against the Palestinians and others since the foundation of their state.
Something like a 100:1 kill ratio (Israel vs Gazans) with Cast Lead, but the Palestinians are 'Producers of Death'. You can't make this stuff up!
Vanadalism is not a crime in any jurisdiction, full stop. People are free to vanadalize to their heart's content. Having said that, I don't think I have ever met a vanadal, even in high school.
It fills me with rage to think that my government (US) bankrolls and runs interference for this kind of behavior, and worse. Imagine the humiliation, a boy on a horse telling a grown man to get out because he is Arab, and ordering around soldiers as if he was their general. The sense of entitlement, the chutzpah, it's world-class.
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