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JeffB--none of what you wrote comes even close to addressing the question posed here, namely, can anyone provide evidence that, “Palestinian Arabs have avowed as their goal the killing of all Jews.”
Whirlygig--are you seriously suggesting that the German invasion of France (after the French suffered 92,000 soldiers killed in the space of weeks), the subsequent partitioning of the country into one part fully occupied by Germany and the other with a collaboration government installed at Germany's behest, had little or nothing to do with Jews being rounded up and deported? While there were surely French men and women who eagerly participated in that, does it matter for nothing that the penalty for acts as mild as reading underground newspapers (among other things) was death? Are you aware that the SNCF lost several thousand employees who were executed for sabotage and other subversive acts? How do you think a trainman would have fared if he had told anyone that he was refusing to participate in running a train carry deportees out of conscience? While you have perfect knowledge how events played out, that was not always the case at the time, even among Jews. It is little short of extortion to punish the current owners of the SNCF for acts that occurred during a period of military occupation some 70+ years ago.
Good point! I am sure you will be sympathetic to Nazi claims that their reprisals and atrocities in France, Poland, the Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere were often precipitated by partisans attacking German troops. Puts a different spin on it, right?
The answer to that charge should always be along the lines of, "If supporting the Palestinians against Israeli repression (or any formulation along those lines) is anti-semitic, then yes, I am an anti-semite. What of it?
You might want to rethink that, as 'Last Stands' seldom work out well for those making the last stand. Not that you would ever do that, because I suspect in your mind a last stand would be the fulfillment of some prophecy, i.e. not a bug but a feature. Your doomsday schtick is quite frightening to normal people.
How in the world does your analogy apply to Waters? I am pretty sure he doesn't work for an Israeli company, and he sure as heck isn't Israeli, so how is his right to speak out constrained in the same way yours is at the Indian company you work for?? "Respectful, charitable and guarded" is transparent code for "No serious criticism if you are not Jewish!" Doesn't work that way anymore, if it ever did.
Negotiations or discussions with people who believe they were gifted something by God have been, and will be, a waste of time. Rational discussions with people holding irrational beliefs have no way of succeeding. This situation will only change when a Jewish-only Israel is no longer a viable proposition due to the combined pressures of the withdrawal of knee-jerk American support, BDS, demographics, and other inexorable factors. Whether it will end somewhat peacefully or in a horrifying Samson Option event will be left to the fanatics, so I suspect the latter will be how this plays out.
Mndwss, thank you for linking to that Clinton video. Hillary's absolute joy and merriment at a death she helped cause, and a horrific death at that, is downright sociopathic and frightening. It makes no difference whether or not the Colonel was a bad guy, the circumstances and method by which he was killed were monstrous and beyond the pale. God help us all if she becomes the next President.
Some things to remember:
1. All attacks by Palestinians are unprovoked.
2. All attacks by Israeli forces are retaliation for unprovoked attacks by Palestinians.
3. Attacks by Palestinians are random.
4. Retaliatory attacks by Israeli forces are pin-point.*
*Despite the pin-point and well-planned nature of Israeli retaliation, women and children inevitably end up dead or maimed. In this case Israeli soldiers cry and blame it on the Palestinians, because it is ALWAYS their fault.
What makes me sad is that when Israel collapses of its own weight (assuming it doesn't take the world down Masada style!) people like you will emigrate to the USA and other countries where you can continue to spew your racist hatred.
C'mon, just Google 'Islam Mortal Enemy Judaism' and see for yourself.
Dissing Muslims is an automatic reflex for the ADL, they can't help it. As a previous commenter pointed out, they could have just as easily used an example from their own religious community to point out the threat the bill posed. But that would not have allowed them to kill two birds with one stone: killing the bill and further sullying Muslims. It's was a twofer they couldn't pass up.
Taking that photo shows reals guts, knowing that that guy with the gun could shoot you with almost total impunity. Yes, there would be an investigation, but we all know how those work out in the end.
Naftush, thank goodness you feel that way about the learning to aim thing. Perhaps you have some influence and could do something to improve that and reduce the number of children Israeli forces always seem to end up shooting. I am sure you will agree that it is a horrendously high number that should really be zero. Once their aim improves I expect the toll of dead children to go way down.
Well, they must be anti-semitic, that's the only explanation.
The settlers are all fanatics, that's why they are living there. Some are just worse than others.
"You wrote that your family worked very hard to maintain your Palestinian identity and to keep you from becoming ‘Americanized.’ Can you please explain what aspects of Americanization were most offensive to you and what aspects of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?"
Talk about chutzpah. Imagine for a moment the gnashing of teeth and cries of anti-semitism if someone asked a similar question about any of the Haredim living apart in the USA?
"Your people". In poker they call that a 'tell'.
Even a psychopath might decide against using nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons to get rid of someone in their midst, simply because it would result in their death too. Your argument is like a husband telling the wife he beats regularly that he is really not that bad a guy because he could kill her but chooses not to.
In the USA, in less enlightened times, some very light-skinned black men and women would 'pass for white'. That is, they denied any black heritage and acted as if they were 100% white. It was also not unusual to read about marriages being annulled when one party discovered the deception. While we are not perfect, we have come a long way since those days, and hopefully some day Israel can too.
You forgot the communists...
I wasn't aware that the many war graves in Europe and around the world, the countless war monuments and museums, the Armistice/Memorial Day ceremonies, and the myriad more examples of remembrance were due to Jews. Thank you, and apologies for my ignorance.
Poorly played attempt at diversion, but to answer the question you pose (Why?): I think it is safe to assume that some Palestinians are not overly concerned about the Holocaust for the same reason that some Jews were not overly concerned about the suffering of Germans post WWII.
If that happens the USA will once again be the receptacle for the detritus of failed right wing regimes (referring to those who support them, not the victims), and those 'ethnic nationalists' will continue to exert their influence on US foreign policy, only now from deep within. For an example of that, look to how the US has maintained a ridiculous but cruel embargo on tiny Cuba for more than 50 years thanks to those who long for another Batista-style government.
Is it really acceptable to call someone out here using a slur? Would it be acceptable if I were to address someone here by writing 'you Jew you'?
If only. I suspect we will be seeing you back on these pages under a different name quite soon.
Thank you for sharing that. It sounds very similar to the case of Chinese immigrants in Thailand in the 19th century. Unlike Thais, they were assessed a poll tax. Now, on the face of that it seems unfair. But by paying the poll tax they were exempt from corvee labor requirements, which required most Thais to work on projects for for their lords for weeks or months during a year. The exemption was one of the reasons that allowed the Chinese to prosper in business, because having to up and leave for corvee labor was not very conducive to running a business enterprise. It goes to show how a selective sharing of 'facts' can really warp an proper understanding of any issue.
I don't have a problem with dual citizen for ordinary citizens who by accident of birth hold two citizenships. However, those in senior government positions who will be making important decisions affecting the well-being of the USA, oh yeah, you bet I have a big problem with dual citizens of ANY country occupying those positions. At that level you should only have one loyalty, and that is to the constitution of the government and people you are serving. Seems like a no-brainer, but I imagine the cries of anti-semitism are already being shouted in this case.
Annie, I hope that this site doesn't censor or ban JeffB. His unfiltered Zionism is very instructive and I think the more people are exposed to it the more they will see just how sick and twisted it is.
Wow! Just read minutes ago about a four year old girl killed by Israel in retaliation for the death of one of theirs and then read the first panel here. Purity of arms and all, you know.
America's 'full acceptance' of Jews is a problem? Is there any difference between that sentiment and the sentiment of some KKK member bemoaning the race mixing that is leading to the destruction of white culture?
"Yeah, but whaddabout [insert name of country with horrible human rights record]?" is a really weak defense strategy.
You can't be serious? The racism behind what Kerry said could not be clearer than if he had spoken of the threat of a 'demographic timebomb' to the USA posed by Hispanics, or blacks, Asians, or any other 'other'. I can't imagine the thickness of the Zionist filter that makes you unable to see that. What a burden, never being able to take that off, not even for a second.
I would be very pleased if I saw an editorial in the NYT calling for a boycott of the USA until it turned over Bush, Cheney et al to the Hague for their crimes in the countries you name. I think their are many, many Americans who would share that feeling.
If it was funny I wouldn't care, even if it does make fun of my WASP heritage. But it is just not funny. Do they make money on these things? If so, how?
Back in the late 60s my family moved to Europe and I attended an International School. On our school bus were a small group of Israeli kids. I knew very little about the Israeli/Palestine issue and had no opinion either way, but I recall being disgusted by the glee with which several of the boys told us about how in some youth military training camp shooing practice consisted of shooting dogs in the desert. They saw nothing wrong with that at all.
Given the journalist admitted her ignorance about the political issues involved, it would seem she is a prime candidate for some kind of sponsored study-tour so she could get the viewpoint of the Palestinians impacted by these projects. I know the Israelis spend millions each year on similar ventures. Is there any money available for things like this on the Palestinian side?
Given the duplicity and deception by which Israel obtained its nuclear weapons capability it is certainly easy to understand why they refuse to trust Iran. People who lie, cheat, and otherwise deceive often do so because they believe everyone thinks like they do. I don't know if Iran intends to follow the Israelis in that fashion, but it wouldn't bother if that turns out to be the case. In the absence of any regional effort to ban nuclear weapons, which is a non-starter given Israel's intransigence on that topic, I could not blame Iran at all for wanting some too.
Nit-picking, for what purpose I am not quite sure. In any case, I believe that a good portion of the people in the areas you mention are there because they were driven off the land they originally inhabited.
The history of the Chinese people in the USA is replete with stories of severe discrimination, including pogroms which saw Chinese communities destroyed and inhabitants killed, discriminatory laws, and laws preventing or limiting their immigration until relatively recent times. I wonder if Americans of Chinese ethnicity spend a lot of time worrying about a return to those days, and also wonder if there are Chinese groups actively persuading them to return to their homeland in China? I am not Chinese, but I suspect that a lot of them would find the idea of China being their homeland quite offensive.
That is a terrible tragedy for the family involved, but when you are a soldier of a brutal occupation force you are fair game under the rules of war, sleeping or not. Furthermore, I doubt very much that you have ever shed a tear or thought for the hundreds of Palestinian children who have been maimed or shot dead for throwing stones. It's always different for your side isn't it? Israeli soldiers are killed by inhuman terrorists, but Palestinian kids shouldn't throw stones if they don't want to get shot. About sums it up doesn't it? The world is running out of sympathy for you.
In a moment I am going to click a few keys and buy a copy for my sister with the instruction to pay it forward by buying a copy for someone else. I encourage everyone to do likewise. Let us get this on the NYT Best Sellers List.
...with 200+ nukes. Given Israel's Samson Option I find that far more frightening than the prospect of Iran having a couple.
Yeah, a real whodunnit.
Sorry, I seemed to have missed the part where new US citizens have to swear their loyalty/allegiance to the Christian state.
What a way with words you have! I think you might have a future in the Israeli diplomatic corps!
Well, we just learned that the US has an agreement to turn over intercepts made on US citizens to Israel, so you can add that to their bag of tricks.
What is really disgusting about these types of events is that if the US government had a spine and used one one hundredth of the potential leverage it has it could snap its fingers and make this stop in a heartbeat. Instead, our politicians are now considering giving Israelis across the board free access to the USA.
Imagine the brouhaha if a white person in the USA was to say something along the lines of, "We need a white ethnic homeland somewhere so we can have a 'locus of pride'. Actually, we do have white people saying that from time to time and they are instantly and routinely condemned as racists. If there was ever any doubt that Zionism is racism it has surely been expelled by now.
I am going to go out on a limb here and venture that had Einstein been a supporter of Zionism you would think he was the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I hope fnlevit will not mind my summarizing his rather long copypasta:
"Whaddabout the Western Powers treating some Germans after the war even worse than the Israelis treated the Palestinians?"
Exactly the same, great comparison, and totally justifies Israeli behavior! Thanks for sharing!
For the sake of argument, let's assume the author is correct and the Palestinians have no case. How, then, do you justify Israel maintaining such a right for Jews?
Funny isn't it how Israel has no problem accepting right of return claims that are some 2,000 years old and backed by no physical evidence or documentation (Jewish? Welcome aboard!), but categorically rejects claims dating back a mere 65 years or so and in many cases well documented. Nothing unfair about that!
I agree with you, it is not fair to condemn vile racists without taking into account the positive things they have done as well. Entirely fair and understandable. I feel the same way when I see people constantly dissing old Adolf, without even mentioning that he helped save Germany from economic ruin, gave the world the autobahn, helped create the Volkswagen, and other positive achievements. So partisan, so unfair!
I am glad you brought this up. Israel's Samson Option, mentioned by senior and mainstream Israelis a number of times, is far and away the biggest terrorist threat to the world as we know it, with any other threats a distant second. Here is the gist of the Samson Option, stated in brief by Israel's senior military historian Professor Martin Van Creveld:
"Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under."
What is particularly frightening is that whereas most terrorists lack the means or ability to carry out their threats, Israel has more than enough nukes and other weapons to make good on this one. In a nutshell, if they don't get their way they will take the world down with them. If ever there was a good reason to be on a terror watch list and subject to severe sanctions this would surely be it. Unfortunately we now live in what Justin Raimondo terms Bizarro World, a world in which everything is the opposite of what one would normally expect, and Iran, with no nuclear weapons and no history of attacking other nations for many generations is now the greatest threat to world peace. You just can't make this stuff up.
Anyone else find it odd that the fake KKK marchers sport a sign calling for beheading? I don't recall seeing the KKK doing that, seems lynching was the much preferred and all American method. Perhaps this poster was recycled from an anti-Muslim poster from a similar effort by the person who created this video.
I am sick and tired of seeing these people advocating for war on the flimsiest of evidence and in violation of international and even US law. Julius Streicher found out that you don't actually have to pull a trigger or drop a bomb to be convicted of a crime against humanity, and some day these thugs should face a similar reckoning. A good start would be with those who lied us into Iraq, many of whom are active participants in cheerleading an attack on Syria.
If the goal is the stop Assad from using chemical weapons (assuming that was true) how is any limited action going to effect that? That's a rhetorical question, because anyone with an IQ above that of a plant knows that cruise missiles will not be able to stop the use of chemical weapons and might lead to further disaster if a depot is breached and gas gets out. It also gives Assad the motive to disperse all the chemical weapons, where they could then fall into the hands of Al-Qaeda, rebel factions, or God knows who. If Assad is really the ruthless madman they depict, then any attack would increase the possibility he would further use those weapons. One thing is crystal clear, this proposed action will not protect the Syrian people. It is all BS, because the real plan is to degrade the Syrian military and remove any threat to US and Israeli plans for the region. Next stop: Iran. I am hoping the American people say enough and back that up with action, but I am not optimistic. If any incident involving Americans getting hurt or killed can be tied to Syria, support for any US military action will zoom to 90%. I am sure there are parties hoping or even planning for just that.
Ostensibly this is all about saving the people of Syria, and yet we need only look at Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya to see with crystal clarity what is in store for them.
The US government has pushed my hypocrisy meter to its max reading with all their crocodile tears for the people of Syria. The US is a player in the war in Syria and is as much responsible for deaths there as is Assad. More so even, since any ruler, democratic or otherwise, will fight to the end to prevent the overthrow of a country's government, particularly when foreign forces are involved. What is really sick is that while the US is so, so concerned about the Syrians, they don't give a rat's ass about the charnel house the Egypt has become under their military government. So unconcerned that it will not stop the spigots of US dollars and weapons going to support those mad-dog killers.
On a related note, is it not possible for a Nobel Peace Prize to be withdrawn? If that committee had any self-respect they would have done so long ago. Think what a message that would send if they were to man up and do that.
The USA is now completely under the rule of men, not law. Our leaders do what they want because they have complete immunity to the laws that ordinary Americans are bound to follow. Nothing will change until these people are charged and convicted for the laws that they break.
If this was the pittance you suggest, Israel would not be fighting so hard every year to not only keep it, but to increase it. In any case, thank you for so clearly describing this as the corporate welfare scheme that it is, which provides anothe reason for ending it.
Can you please explain how a RoR apparently exists for any Jew in the world, even converts, but not for the Palestinians? How does that work?
You think thumping is an amplification of pounding?? If anything it is the other way around. Quite a reach there though.
I would love to know what her 'further research' turned up.
That she isn't feminist enough?
Not well known to the public?
Not published anything worth noting?
In the end, who ended up being the 'Optimum Choice' ? Anyone know?
Why do we let ourselves get bogged down in these games? At the heart of this issue is the fact that a group of people believe they have a covenant from God to live on this piece of land. Everything else is a diversion. No logical arguments, concessions, or trades are going to change their minds because they believe the land is theirs from God. Time is wasted on peace efforts with people who don't want peace, while meanwhile Palestinian territory disappears every day. The only way this might possibly end somewhat peacefully is if the US and others stop bankrolling Israel and the US stops running interference for them at the UN and other world bodies, combined with increased boycott efforts.
I want to make a general point, namely that this thread and all the threads here are perfect examples of what a game changer the Internet has been. In the past the rare positive articles dealing with this issue in newspapers would be quickly followed up with hasbara letters, and that would be the last word on the subject. Now, the minute Zionists try to spin events with their BS 'facts' readers can respond to point out their lies. I am surely not the first to say it, but the rise of the Internet is probably the worst thing to happen to Zionists since they pulled off their heist.
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