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I do believe that Tel Aviv University is built atop a formally Palestinian village. Also I believe they when the Jewish community ceases to avert their gaze from the true reality of Israel s founding, their founding myth hasbara must be altered which will then not be able to overcome the impact of the Truth which is the Nakba. No amount of truth-twisting, omissions, deflections can successfully dance around the cold reality of a disaster that rivals the Holocaust in the magnitude of the violation of a basic and Universal Code of Ethics to not kill. Israel's actions and behavior since then are a perpetuation of savage and aggressive Zionist policies to take all of Palestine and somehow expel all others. For the only democracy in the ME with the most moral army in the world, that believes in healing the world, that fights only defensive wars, where winning Noble prizes trumps the immorality Operation Cast Lead, et al. , these are lofty goals that if attained, will rank right up there with our own (i.e. the USA) destruction of Native American society and culture plus stealing their land.
The unified message of our MSM regarding the Syrian situation is that the U.S. should "do something" to stop this humanitarian disaster---which had been engineered by the U.S. and Israel.
As Citizen mentioned, the PNAC check list is almost complete: Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia, all nation-states that are a threat to stymie region-wide hegemony for Israel, have and are being militarily neutered by our mighty war machine.
Zionism apparently does need constant wars to maintain the fiction that tiny Israel, surrounded by aggressive neighbors must protect itself , and in the process bomb other surrounding countries and violate air space with impunity.
If only Harry Truman were alive today to see the monster he helped create.
He makes a good point that Zionist ferociously reject all challenges to their mantra narrative which does not allow a course correction to their self-destructive behavior and thought. (My attempts to have a dialogue with a true-blue Zionist have resulted in head-shaking despair). If they would read about the true history of the establishment of "their" country (I.e. the Nakba) by Jewish historians, it could prove too shocking to their sensibilities and would offer an insurmountable obstacle in reconciling Jewish values with its behavior.
More anectdotal evidence that Zionist do indeed believe themselves to be exceptional beings and thereby racists to the core. This is also a prejudiced claim to make but a sentiment Wallace would have approved-- before his transformation in his final years as a repentant sinner. The odds that Zionist will one day accept the demonized Palestinians as their equal are pretty low.
The Likkud's by laws states its opposition to a two-state arrangement which lays bare the perverse hypocrisy that regularly emanates from the mouth's of Zionist and their legions.
A pivotal and dramatic moment during the McCarthy Communist hearings in the '50's was attorney Joseph Welsh defending a participant being mercilessly grilled asking McCarthy: "have you no sense of decency, sir?" Spectators in the court room burst into applause having witnessed a man confront the tyrannical bully, and which effectively opened the backed up floodgates of stifled anger at the sordid and evil manipulation of Congressional power. Having been exposed, McCarthy rapidly lost power and influence.
Chuck Hagel had the chance to expose Zionist bullying but morphed before our eyes into an apologetic, craven coward. The stage is set for a "Joseph Welsh"' moment to finally spotlight the hijacking of our Government by a foreign power whose agenda calls for the U.S. to fight its wars , to its colonial expansion into lands not its own, and to protect it from the opprobrium of the world community of which it is, nevertheless, a pariah.
If there were not: controlled media, hasbara, AIPAC, Likkudnits, Jacobtinskys, Abe Foxmans, et al., the sheer weight of the fabric of injustices committed against the Palestinians will cause a collapse of this perverted colonial experiment. The Universal Code of Morality does not condone ethnic cleansing, genocide, apartheid, and the daily humiliations and threats to personal safety endured by them.
As Obama said, the status quo is not sustainable. The Zionist experiment can not succeed. However, as long as Obama (like his predecessors) cravenly grovel at the feet of Israel, this historical aberration will continue to artificially supported.(Vichy and Quisling come to mind)
No mention of the Right of Return? The Palestinian diaspora community have waiting for several decades to return to their homes. If a final Agreement does not include a fair resolution of this issue and put to a vote, it would not be ratified.
Carter is the mythical figure who takes away the car keys from his drunken brother to prevent a tragedy. Carter speaks the truth about Israel and has predictably been pilloried for having done so.
Whenever his critics visit the Holocaust museum in D.C., they should note that Carter (and Weisel) was the prime mover in its construction.
Here is where N. Finklestine speaks the truth: End the conflict by requiring loose-cannon Israel to recognize and honor the large number of U.N. Resolutions it has ignored and dismissed ( except for the 1948 Partition Resolution--181). We give this criminal experiment billions which is excellent leverage if the fools--our leaders--use it wisely. The contentious issues are addressed: ROR, Separation wall, settlements, E. Jerusalem. We are a nation of laws, right. We do believe freeing oppressed people (E.g. Viet Nam) don't we? Our bonding with Israel is subverting our national ideals.
Extremely disappointing that the senators who voted against the Resolution were maneuvered to conflate disapproval of Israeli government policy with Jews in general, whether the self-hating type or zealous Zionist partisans. For those who know the historical background of this conflict, this episode infuriates as we can not comprehend how reason can not prevail, rather than allowing might (I.e. intimidation) to trump " right."
I do hope that the bright yet highly impressionable student leaders read up on the subject and return to the issue prepared to do battle wisely.
I cancelled my subscription years ago because of the stridency of their attacks on Clinton (e.g. Whitewater, their cause célèbre: the WSJ even offered its numerous editorials in bound volumes for sale) and because of columnist like Stephens who sees the I/P conflict through the eyes if a former editor of the Jerusalem Post, which he was.
The info Pollard gave to Israel was used to bargain with Russia to allow the immigration of many thousands of Russian Jews into Israel. It also passed along classified advanced tech info to China.
And the gullible U.S. " has Israel's back"?
An "anti-Israel rant"?? Actually, it was a factual account of Palestine's history--past and present. Because Israel has demonstrated its maniacal and homicidal tendencies, it would not be a "rant" to report them.
Both speakers' messages may make their fellow members uncomfortable, but the crimes of Israel must be exposed so that this criminal entity will be brought to justice.
It is pathetic to look at the expectant children's faces wondering what kind of violence they have experienced or witnessed. also sad is the thought that as millions took the streets to protest the Iraq war and Occupy Wall Street, it did not deter Bush/Cheney and Blair nor the likes of Goldman Sachs from pursuing their evil ends. As to the war reference, I note a pattern of decisions by our foreign policy elites to have involved us in conflicts pre-ordained by the Project for a New American Century (cf. A Clean Break)--Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, and Somalia and Iran. Examine the list which is relevant to understand that our foreign policy which should advance our interest, actually benefits Israel in its desire to shape a New World Order-- with our resources.
A normal state, run by reasonable adults would take note of protests such as these, examine the incident/policy that elicited the protests, and determine a rational response whether it be a review or cessation of said policy. Israel though, is not a normal state but, as N Finkelstein describes it, a lunatic state. It acts with impunity because, with the holocaust providing moral armor, it believes it is immune from international criticism, U.N. Resolutions, State Department wrist slaps, et al. It's Zionist goal is to take all of the land from the Med to the sea, and next...hegemony in the M.E. (a new Zionist world order). Sound conspiratorial? Unfortunately, it happens to be their agenda. ( See:"A Clean Break"--authored by Wolfowitz , Perle, Feith, Wurmser...)
The committee also includes Ros-lehtinen, the spear carrier for the Lobby, and Eliot Engle, democrats ranking member. I just sent a note to Ed Royce, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs committee, expressing my misgivings of the objectivity of the panel and the suggestion that a reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah would constitute a threat to the state if Israel.
I will also call the L.A. Times this morning for their failure to mention the U.N. Human Rights Commission's decision to demand settlement construction to cease and withdrawal and withdrawal from the Occupied Territorities, as well as Israel's unprecedented decision to withdraw from the Commission. (Algemeiner, a pro-Israel blog claimed that it would amount to ethnic cleansing if the settlers were forced to leave???)
We are witnessing a time in our nations' history similar to the McCarthy era when threats, intimidation, and powerful groups like AIPAC et. al rule the day. We are in need of a Joseph Welsh, who called out McCarthy on national television.
What caught my attention was Goldberg's concession that Israel is self-destructing because of its Zionist inspired actions that defy Universal codes of morality e.g. Settlement building, Operation...., killing journalist, defying U.N. Resolutions...My belief and hope is that when the World knows the facts about the creation of Israel, the Nakba, false flag operations against the U.S., Occupation atrocities, et al all of God's children with a.heart will turn against this aberrant historical criminal enterprise and demand Justice. Our job: educating the public, hounding our politicians, injecting our viewpoints in public forums. Israel --yes ; Zionism--no.
I feel the same level of rage that I now have regarding the Palestinian issue that I had during the Viet Nam era. All of our protest/demonstrations seemed to have no effect on war time policy. It took Watergate and Congressional defunding to finally stop the war.
Congress has been totally compromised as well as the Executive branch, so that our task is more difficult. It's time for the U.S. to catch to the rest of the world.
The poem was beautifully written.
These same tactics were essentially used by the Gestapo and the Stasi to spy on one's neighbor both totalitarian states.
Slater's essential point is irrefutable: that by profiling a state or person and to omit informing the reader that this connoisseur of fine wines is living the high life on land that has been ethnically cleansed of its indiginous population, is not presenting an accurate reality. Imagine presenting Joseph Stalin as a doting father who weeps when his dog dies and omit the fact that he was paranoid mass murderer of millions of his own people. Ruderon has not yet grasped the Zionist delusion that by depicting Israel as a beacon of light to all nations citing its many Nobel prize winners and technological prowess, the world will overlook the brutal facts if its origins ( I.e. Nakba), the pre-emptive strike against Egypt igniting the '67 war, the murderous USS Liberty attack, Mossad death squads just to name a few crimes in a very long list. Slater's description of Israel as a pariah state among nations is accurate and a painful observation for a Jew who follows the Judaic precepts of rationality, enlightenment, and the goodness of helping one's fellow man. Ruderon must get up to speed with the true realities of the I/P conflict and not be another conduit for AIPAC inspired hasbara. Slater is right to bemoan the soiling of Judaic precepts by this rogue monster called (Zionist) Israel.
This underlines the Zionist meme construction of a common distorted narrative that includes victimization and a constant threat to justify war crimes and the brutalization of the Palestinians among other atrocities. This is in addition to the use of the "law" and select U.N. Resolutions to righteously declare their innocence and declare that they have done nothing wrong. ( see the debate on RT television: Crosstalk, "What Occupation")
Surely, our upstanding Jewish community will rise up after they understand that the principles of Zionism does not fit well in Torah precepts and in practice it has spawned a murderous ruling class whose policies will eventually be the undoing of Israel as they envision it.
Bravo indeed! Here in los Angeles, which has sizable and vocal Jewish community, the Melrose area, where a billboard is located, is extremely ethnic (Cantor's Deli is renowned). There will undoubtedly be vigorous efforts to have it removed.
One more brick removed from the base of the Zionist structure.
Uh oh! Just remembered: Biden once said: "I am a Zionist"!
Nothing wrong with Jews marrying shiksas or goyim, but it's the Zionist part that is troublesome. My daughter married a pretty nice Jewish man who does not endorse the Zionist manifesto and, like many of his generation is not a true believer in its cause.
Your activism is worthy and for a just cause. The true face of Zionism is coming into focus here in the U.S, in spite of the hasbara that effectively silences the opposition, and makes whores of our Congress (and President).
You may believe that your efforts are futile but understand that the arc of history favors the just cause and as the ugly face of Zionism emerges, the human soul will reject this Evil and the floodgates will break allowing the sewage to escape in a torrent.
The Zionist cult needs a real, imagined, or contrived threat to justify its militaristic policies and to dilute its critics message. The result is: attacks against Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq, Syria, the use of disproportionate force, Seperation walls, billions from U.S. taxpayers, et. al. Without the 'threats", it would have to better justify its apartheid and ethnic cleansing ways. Our cooperative MSM would prefer to report on a lurid attack on a sovereign nation, than a boring account of Palestinians on hunger strikes, or settlers poisoning olive trees.
I sometimes imagine how powerful it would be if the likes of CNN, and CBS, would show footage of Palestinians being evicted in the early hours with settlers standing by to move in, or the little boy begging soldiers not to take away his father for "stealing" water from his own well. Just as we are becoming more aware of how bullying can cause enduring emotional harm on young people, we can only imagine the horrible trauma the Palestinians are subjected to when they witness their loved ones being brutally mistreated by the IDF and the settlers.
It does not seem to matter to the Zionist cult to bring the world to the brink of Armageddon even if the evidence is inconclusive that it's contrived existential- enemy Iran has designs to drop the bomb. It does though fit into its agenda to gain hegemonic power over its neighbors so that it can fulfill its grand Zionist goal of having all of Palestine because "God" promised it to them.
"It is sufficient that three or four will try to arouse provocation.". There they go again.
One bad guy in a wild west saloon prompts the sheriff to burst in, guns blazing, (the crowd is harboring the bad guy it is believed) until he finally nails the crook.
This seems to be Zionism 101: the false syllogism--1/. All Palestinians are terrorist;2/Marwan is a Palestinian;3/therefore, Marwan is a terrorist.
Blacks in the American South, and of course-south Africa, faced the same type of discrimination.
Another nail in the coffin of Zionism brought about courtesy of the "most moral army in the world".
I was confused as well. I had believed that an IDF boot's normal position was On the neck of a Palestinian--not on the hands.
Using biblical texts as a source from which to draw generational hatred seems essential to maintain the "victimhood"mind set that is used by Israel to justify its perverse policies of apartheid, ethnic cleansing, barbaric policies and disingenuous hasbara. The ethical model of: love thy neighbor as thyself, has been replaced with: we must kill them (i.e. amalikites) before they kill us. A poisonous Zionist doctrine insidiously seeping in to Judaism?
Just as the Southern slaveholder had to de-humanize the Negro, the same situation exist in I/P. When one Israeli soldier whose name was well known, was exchanged for a few thousand Palestinians, the message sent by Israel was clear. The Southern Simon Legree's were also very determined not to allow them to learn to read for fear that they would begin to understand how they were being exploited, and revolt.
The Zionist use the Holocaust to inoculate their unjust cause from criticism and apparently adopt a victim driven agenda that allows them with a clear conscience to ignore the opinion of the world community undeterred by U.N. Resolutions, the Internationl Criminal Court, and if it ever joined the NPT, would likely ignore their rules as well. BDS would awaken the slouching beast, non-violently.
Great response, one devoid of emotion but devastating in the
Bright light of truth. Giladg asks why there may be a need for these roadblocks? If one has a heavy boot on your neck (for 65 years), the offending party should have no doubt why there may be some anger build up expressed against the booted one.
The debate created by Beinert's work is essentially about the values inherent in Judaism vs. the values and goals of (colonial) Zionism. The former provides a prescription in living a spiritual and moral life to achieve a better world for all, versus the Zionist goal of ruthlessly gaining ownership of all of Palestine without too much regard for lives of others who are not Jewish ( non-Ashkanazi rather) while suspending any ethical or moral codes that may apply.
The ethical dilemma faced by young Jews who study Torah and Talmudic teachings must be great when they see on U-tube scenes of families being evicted in the dead of night with settlers moving into their hones at day break, or of a little boy begging IDF soldiers not to arrest his Dad for 'stealing' water from his own spring, not to mention Operation Cast Lead. And all this being done by the most "moral army" in the world.
The moral chasm is too great to reconcile by today's generation and it will widen with time. After the fading away of the likes of Livni, Bibi, Peres, and Liberman, key us hope that the next generations will be less Masada-minded and more willing to join the world community.
Yes, thank you very much for betraying the hopeful constituency you had during and after your election who believed that you were a pragmatic idealist who came to office with the right view of the Problem that has existed in the ME for over 60 years. After your Cairo speech we were hopeful, but AIPAC and it's true believers in your Administration quickly reined you in. Now we have the reality of Netanyaho lecturing you in the Oval office, lecturing our own Congress, endlessly repeating standard hasbara regarding Iran etc. Instead of bold leadership, we have another President who is willing to hasten the decline of our country's influence in the world and to bring us to edge of a cliff to again fight another war of choice as we did in Iraq, a war fought for Israel's interest, not ours.
I believe it was Oren who just recently made the claim to the main stream audience that Econ activity in the west bank had increased by 25%. And they now claim that the Palestinian economy is non-sustaining? If one can not dazzle the audience with brilliance, then try to baffle them with b.s. I wish it was true that the world can see through the disingenuous hasbara and outright lies spewed by the likes of Oren and Regev, but I sense that we are not at a tipping point in our truth crusade to start a free fall defection by the true believers in the Zionist dreams.
One of the many ugly faces of Zionism being exhibited. No remorse, ruthless, pure evil----all acts immunized by their quest for Manifest Destiny and blessed as pay back to the world for allowing the Holocaust to occur. The Palestinians are merely"rocks in the road " sometimes confused with "beasts who walk on two legs".
Dimadot: In your Zionist curriculae, are there not several chapters on the Zionist massacres of innocent civilians? Of entire villages being bulldozed after all inhabitants slaughtered? Does Deir Yassin ring a bell? At least you demonstrated a love for life by planting beautiful trees on those sites to suck up the blood. Are you not familiar with the Nakba? Over 750,000 were forcibly removed (or were threatened with death) from their homes and villages, their land seized? These were civilians who now live in squalid camps or outdoor prisons. Zionist are their existential threat.
Again Dimadok provides the Zionist psychological constructs for Soldier Eisner's temper tantrum caught on tape blaming the constant harassment of protesters in the ME 's only democracy. People who protest are bothersome and deserve a back-hand swipe once in a while.
This is a very important point implicit in his remarks that Zionist goals-establishing a Jewish nation on the backs of the indiginous people desecrates the moral and ethical principles of Judaism. A nation-state that rationalizes Operation Cast Lead, the Nakba, Jewish only roads, murderous pre-emptive wars, killing Americans on the USS Liberty et al is a rogue, pariah state shunned by the world community(except for freedom-lovin America.). It is insult to the spirit of America after WW2 when we purportedly fought the bad guys. Now, arguably--we are now "them"
Smndoersken: your Lamentations on why Israel receives all of this negative attention when other countries of the world community have far worse records is that the occupation has not been a short term aberration but one that has lasted more than 50 years which considerably weakens your moral equivalence argument.
To justify the Occupation because Israel is "at war" is an assertion based on the false premise that because it is at war, it can do whatever it must do to subdue their attackers. Hence, check points, walls, night time home raids .......are necessary. Not to understand that illegally occupying another's land will naturally result in violence is not using intelligent reasoning.
Mooser: zohar is the "foundational work in the literature of mystical Jewish thought known as Kabala..."..source Wikipedia. Followers are mainly Hasidic Jews. Your attempt at humour is admirable but can not conceal your ignorance.
Any Jew who professes to live guided by the Torah,Talmud or the Zohar should be deeply disappointed with the non-religious nature of Zionism which is evil, aggressive colonialism and all of the brutal realities that come with it. They are seeing their Israel as a pariah among the world community, that simply ignores UN Resolutions that condemn their actions, and who works aggressively through AIPAC to bring our Congress in line to favor Fortress Israel in funding and foreign policy. (if there was no Israel, would the world's attention be focused on Iran?). Israel is becoming an ugly open sore that is an embarrassment to Jews world wide but also a threat to world peace. The Iraq war was fought for the benefit of Israel and we are on track to repeat in Iran. And all of these deadly outcomes are the result of our blind allegiance to an ally which will stop at nothing to achieve its goal of cleansing Palestine and making it a Jewish state from the Jordan to the Med, and some hegemonic street cred in that part of the world.
With so much free time-young macho soldiers-sooo many sheep, it raises some important ethical consideration! ..for the soldiers. Their ethical standards-if they exist-need a workout.
It is disappointing that Finklestine can not see any connection between Israel and the Iraq war and the current campaign to demonize Iran. Is he not aware that the Project for a New American Century was authored by the neocons who later conducted the Iraq war from the White House, a war that benefitted Israel but which shed much American blood and has essentially started the long term decline in our economic standing in the World. We saw the once revered jurist Goldstone genuflect before the Zionist for his grave sin of telling the truth about Operation Cast Lead. His sniveling attempt to appease his fellow tribesmen was chilling.
I credit Finklestine for heightening my awareness of the sordid situation in Palestine and truly hope that he continues to spotlight this crime against humanity in real time and not capitulate to rabid Zionist who believe him to be a traitor in their midst.
Dimadok. Not sure this is real person or the devil incarnate judging by the content of the comment. To justify the killing of Palestinian youths armed only with rocks because they were approaching "sovereign" territory is a testament to the moral depravity that is the result of the Occupation. It is not difficult to imagine why Israel is concerned about its security when it committs such atrocities which inflame each new generation of Palestinians but perversely perpetuates the narrative that Israel is in a "tough neighborhood" and must take all necessary steps to protect itself (I.e, from 18 year old rock throwers approaching sovereign territory- a concrete wall surrounded by concertina wire).
Imagine a Bedouin family living in an apartment?! Where would they park their camels? This action would deal a strong blow to a Bedouin's spirit who would not be used to living a life so foreign to them--even though they will wve running water.
Thank you Rabbis. Judaism --yes. Zionism --No!
Terryscott: while you are living the good life in Tel Aviv, just remember that it is built on a dung heap of immorality, treachery, evil, and violence much like the life of the kommendant of Auschwitz whose home with wife and kiddies was right outside the wall. You are taunting in your comment indicating that the citizens if Israel comparmentalize their morality and ethics as applied to their tribe and a more onerous set of morality for the Palestinians. God forbid that your hasbara does not lose its effectiveness when the Truth is finally known, especially here in the U.S,
A variation on the "alcoholic"metaphor is: one doesn't allow their best friends to drive drunk (for fear of self destruction). And tragically those who are the true believers and their well funded and highly organized enablers (viz. AIPAC) are fueling this inherently evil enterprise which is heroic for the Zionist but on the backs and eventual destruction of the Palestinians ("rocks in the road--Ben Guerion; ..."if they stay, they can live like dogs"-M. Dayan; "a Palestinian is a beast who walks on two legs"-Golda Meir"..
Lest we forget Obama, he of the Cairo speech fame who denounced the settlements as a barrier to peace, now is committing our Nation's economic health in serious jeapordy by threatening to conduct no trade with other nations who buy oil from the nuclear superpower, Iran. These nations include China and India. He has capitulated to the Zionist cabals and continued the downward slope of our national foreign policy and economic interest for the benefit of a pariah state engaged in murderous policies toward the Palestinians, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, policies that our Founding Farthers would react to with horror.
The rabbi inadvertently states the truth that Israel launched a pre-emptive strike in 1967 when four sentences before stated that it was attacked in a war of extermination by its Arab neighbors. Pre-emptive wars launched by Israel have worked well as it has added much valuable territory to its hegemonic quest to be a superpower in its neighborhood. However being an aggressor does not perpetuate the commonly repeated narrative of the small David battling the mighty Goliaths surrounding it.
Utube has a rather large collection of disturbing videos that reveal the brutality of the Occupation. Those dealing with home evictions with its inhabitants thrown out of their homes along with their furniture are equally disturbing, along with those of settlers in Hebron taunting Palestinians.
A Jewish state can not be a light unto all nations when the moral fabric is stained by the dehumanization of Palestinians.
This incident received an enormous amount of MSM coverage with sympathetic narratives for the victims; however the in-depth coverage of the innocent Iranian nuclear scientist killed by the Mossad or its agents received none. The Toulouse incident is being used to make the point that Israel is the only safe haven left for Jews. Having Palestinians in the vicinity would constitute an existential threat.
Operation Cast Lead set the bar high for sheer barbarity but Fallujah and Hadifa have not yet provoked equivalent moral outrage. Yet both followed a similar script of criminal over-reaction believed necessary to terrorize and subdue the perpetrators without regard to innocent civilians. We view IDF brutality in the Occupied Territories
with revulsion yet our military in Iraq and Afganistan have behaved even more shamefully.
Just as the moral fiber of Israel has been soiled by its Occupation of Palestine, so have our wars of choice, including Viet Nam. made our claim to be a light unto all nations a laughable proposition. Eisenhower was prescient with his warning about the military-industrial complex as it needs conflict and wars to perpetuate its influence.
Being a southerner myself, it is remarkable to ponder the notion of a Jewish state where the status of non-Jews would be subordinate. Similarly the notion of Alabama declaring itself a red-neck state with the state religion being Baptist would be antithetical to what I have been led to believe is the the raison d'être of our Republic. At least this has been the American hasbara taught in civic classes.
It seems obvious that this is an AIPAC "asked" policy statement submittal. If these Congresspeople can not discern any difference in the current full-court lobbying effort by AIPAC and the same hysteria that preceded our disaster of the century invasion of sovereign Iraq then it reflects poorly on their judgement and historical memory. Israel is determined to have the U.S, to engage in another international crime where our resources both human and material will be used.
Peters: in your formulae with many variables, you are assigning zero probability to an air attack because of the distance? A hurdle easily overcome by re-fueling as they did against Iraq. Being shot down! Highly doubtful. Bibi's fortitude? His brother was the only Israeli casuality at Entebbe and his father is a Zionist pioneer. I would assign a pretty large value to that variable. I might add the matter of international opprobrium which Israel dismisses because Iran is their "existential threat" and desperate nations committ desparate acts which justifies it. Besides, he actually wants the U.S. to go to war for them as happened in Iraq. Obama is their only hurdle to overcome, as Congress already has made it easier by recent bills introduced recently.
These are excellent references and provide much needed substance which normally lacking when the debates turn on questions of "legitimacy " of the state of Israel.
Hophmi: no wonder you are ridiculed on this site...your attempt to obfuscate this issue by lawyerly debate can not overcome the blatant hypocrisy shown by Israel by its ceaseless crusade to bomb Iran because they may.. one day...possibly , construct a nuclear bomb while Israel will not admit to already having hundreds-- with material originally stolen from the Dimona nuclear site in the U.S.
I suppose that with so many other things to hide from the world ( genocide, apartheid, ethnic cleansing) Israel may find the lawyerly approach best, as the real truth Is too...explosive.
Perez implies that Israel is lathe to send Americans to fight Israel's wars?! He states it is because if this reluctance, Israel afraid to turnover the entire West bank for fear that a war will break out requiring U.S. help?! This is absurd and disingenuous Zionist logic and hasbara rolled into one.
Thank you Harvard students. You are are part of growing movement to stop the evil effects of Zionism and to hasten the liberation of its people.
The more that I learn aboutthe Zionist past and present and countless misdeeds (I.e. Lavon affair, Operation Northwoods, et al) the more that I see the United States--this time--being used so cynically, that if one looks into the future after the Zionst have been exposed as immoral, ruthless, racist, and murderers ( Begin,Rabin,Sharon, Shamir et al) I see the World demanding that Israel be stopped in its pillage. This might even bribg about a conflict aimed at the Zionst using force to bring about a reordering of the Middle East with Israel humbled and then ready to join the new world order.
Thank you ms Elian for organizing this protest. The weight of the evil intertwined in the fabric of Zionism will eventually cause its justifiable collapse.
Why is there no content showing under the headline? Hasbara censor?
Boycot Israel on Campus surely has a defeatist outlook on the BDS movement. I believe all who want Israel to change its behavior must continue to offer dissent to counteract the hasbara spewing from Israel. The status quo is unacceptable.
If this event was well publicized and shown in cities around the world, it would crystallize the feelings of anger and revulsion that any sentient being would have after seeing these images that have seared the conscioness of these young victims. The images cut right through the orchestrated hasbara that AIPAC uses so effectively.
I have been an admirer of Finklestine for bravely dispelling the ugly truths that the hasbara has managed to stifle for so long. For someone familiar with iconoclasm, it is somewhat surprising to listen to him lecturing the young questioner (with lots of dismissive interruptions) about the need to work within the parameters of public acceptance of Palestinian friendly measures ( e.g. Right of return) as the public's understanding of the matter has been shaped by MSM. We need him and Chomsky to be the truth tellers more than we may need their proposed solutions as the ultimate resolution will be a function of future events (I.e. BDS, U.N. actions, Congressional sentiment, wars, et al).
Ferguson is the author of "the House if Rothschild" and was granted access to family records. There seems to be an obvious quid pro quo with his remarkable conclusions about our need to wage war with Israel's menacing neighbor Iran. Pity, he seems so intelligent to have written such well researched books, but to have come to such a sorry, group think solution.
This is appalling and scary as well. The various conspiracies involving suspected Israeli involvement (e.g Operation Northwoods-US Liberty) that I have dismissed as improbable, are now morphing into really plausible conspiracies. The current MSM obsession with the Iran-Israel standoff is just ripe for another Israeli staged false flag operation to provide a pretext. To the barricades!
I believe Adelson, the Gingrich backer,is the chief finder of the Clarion fund. Adelson has the zeal of a convert for Jewish causes and is furiously promoting war with Iran.
We will have to await more signs like this to determine if the wise and sage Obama will emerge from the evil clutches of the lunatic state known as Israel/AIPAC. For those of us who closely follow these events and observe the takeover of our Foreign Policy by the Zionist forces, this could be a breakthrough event in line with the Reagan/Baker denoument after the Iraq nuclear facility bombing and the Bush, senior withholding of aid to Israel ?
The latest assassination should not be surprising coming from this lunatic state. Remember the USS Liberty incident when unmarked planes and boats attacked the defenseless ship during the 1967 pre-emptive war. 37 Americans were killed and when a mayday call went out for help, Secretary of defense McNamara recalled the rescue planes. When the Admiral countermanded that order to resend the rescue planes, President Johnson personally got on the phone and told the Admiral: "I want that ship and every damn sailor sent to the bottom. I will not embarrass our ally Israel." Hehad not been informed that Israel was the culprit.
The delivery to Israel several months ago of "bunker buster" bombs were not defensive munitions. Even Bush refused to supply them knowing what Israel would use them for.
The author's essay expresses the inherent contradiction in the Zionist/Judaism concepts and made more powerful coming from a Jew. This contradiction is lost to those who blindly accept the actions of Israel as acceptable. A nation arising from sin (Nakba) and sustained by brutal force is destined to eventual destruction or radical transformation because of Universal truths one of which is to treat others as you would like to be treated. Along with the Holocaust, the destruction of the Palestinian civilization and it's brutal Occupation will rank highly in rating the crimes our generation.
A cartoon of the I/P situation would show a small circle representing the Zionist entity surrounded by a much larger surrounding circle representing the millions of dispossessed Palestinians. Strong unified leadership of the Palestinians would build a more potent force to overcome the concentrated strength held by Israel and allow the spirit of the Arab Spring to energize their movement.
My understanding is that Matthews supports Israel's policies. There is a link either money or personal that influences his coverage of the IP issue which is favorable to Israel
The most ironic comment today. After a good bong hit, I swear you can hear Mahler's 8th symphony.
Although we who closely focus on Israel's immorality in its many forms and it's malignant influence in our foreign policy, now we watch in disbelieving shock as once again the same neocon voices are being heeded in our government and, as in Iraq, not a day passes that the threat of Iran is the lead story. The hasbara continues to infiltrate all media. The industrial-military alliance needs an existential threat to keep its coffers full and the Israeli lobby uses this fact to further its goal to destroy Iran .This evolution to fascism causes me to realize that regardless of our stupendous error in invading Iraq, we are poised to do it again. Just as Israel needs a major military defeat to alter its ways, so does the U.S.
Lieberman is a loathsome creature, an extreme settler-minded Zionist that who has provided political cover for Israel and was influential in stoking the fears of an Islamic jihad against the West making it more palatable to back Israel instead. His backing of McCain in the last Presidential election was beyond dispicable.
Although he did make comments about Iran which misrepresented its true geo-political ambitions, I found it remarkably replete with important insights into our relations with Israel, certainly ideas that members of our thoroughly comprised Congress and state department would find objectionable and heretical. An excellent article for those of us aghast with our government which seems unable to cast off this devious snake which sits on its shoulder hissing in its ear urging our leaders to adopt policies beneficial to it even if such policies are harmful to our own national interest..
The I/P issue is one that Obama has failed most miserably. I believed that the U.S. finally had a President who had vision with principles to match to break the death grip of AIPAC on our foreign affairs but, whore that he seems to be, we witness a humbled, ball-less man who deems political expediency more important than visionary leadership with our Nation's interests to protect. Providing the bunker busters to Israel will further embolden Israel to attack Iran. And as for the Palestinian issue we still hear talk of a "peace process" which only provides a protective front for more settlements to be built, and further talk of a "two state" strategy that I believe can be considered all but dead. Unfortunately the alternative to Obama would be a Gingrich type which would bring Armegeddon to the world.
The pen is mightier than the sword and the rather large quantity of bitter black karma being amassed by Israel will surely end badly for this "light unto all nations".
We admire your father's dedication and courage to bear this outrage. It seems that of all the corrupting forces denigrating our society's moral fiber is the corrosive effect of our death-grip with the "light unto all nations" (I.e. Israel). Just as in the McCarthy era when the fear of being a considered a Communist was fear inducing, as today to be critical of Israel is to fear being labeled an "anti Semite" with all of the negative repercussions that can bring. We know now that the McCarthy era was a stain in our country's history. Likewise, we will eventually catch up to the rest of the world by finally discovering that the U.S. is being used very cynically by the Zionist to further its immoral actions (occupation, buying our Congress, dictating our foreign policy and encouraging the U.S. to wage wars for Israel's benefit. ). I support your father with the hope that he is eventually freed.
While reading this story and like similar ones, my breathing became rapid along with the feeling of controlled rage as I imagine a family attempting to raise their children and lead lives with dignity and joy when this " light unto thr nations" acts in such a barbarous way while protesting to the world their innocence in this ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and brutal and murderous treatment of the Pakestinians.
A vast majority of the posters are viscerally outraged by the heinous treatment of the Palestinians then and now. I share this outrage and would suggest that this anger not be confined just to this site but to expand it in ways to produce a change. I regularly write-call-demonstrate to express my anger and to offer my own ideas for ways to effect a change from our government's blind allegiance to the Israel lobby.
The U.S. built a huge amount of positive capital from our intervention in WW1 and 2 acting not as conquerors but as a country of highly idealistic, honest and hard-working people. The ZIonist have hijacked our foreign policy for their benefit and are using us as their savior and protector. We must get the message to out to create the groundswell of righteous anger (OWS) to change this.
.. In the face of Muslim genocidal fanaticism.....it seems Zionism must always have an existential threat to maintain the rationale of their inexorable accretion of Palestinian land and the subjugation of its population. Our Congress have been bought body and soul to it's cause. And the U.S. continues to kowtow to this dispicable Zionist government. When will Obama finally say: enough!
This letter should be highly recommended reading for all oppressed Palestinians to give them the strength to endure their harsh and evil oppression, and let them know that their plight can be changed through non-violent protest.
As a rational person who happens to be furious that Israel has bought our congress, et al and repeats the horrors inflicted on the Palestinians as were inflicted on them by the Nazis, I am beginning to scrutize more closely the conspiracy theories advanced by the 9 11 groups, the USS Liberty, Operation Northwood, etc for Israeli/Mossad involvement. Operation Northwood which preceded the Liberty incident (Israeli attack on American ship killing 37 American servicemen) proposes killing fellow Americans to provide pretexts for Cuban military intervention, and the Project for a New American century which likewise proposes a "pearl harbor" type event to provide pretexts for going to war with Iraq all point to Israeli involvement. Could it be true that the Zionist would go this far? The time may be getting closer that we truly understand that the u.s. is only the host to carry out the aims of Zionist israel
The use of logic will not resolve the issues that define this conflict. Obama and Clinton will continue to kowtow to the Zionist no matter how clear the irrationality of their policies. I believe Chomsky and Finklestine are right in their belief that it will take a major threat/defeat to Israel to awaken them from their holy goal to colonize all the land from the Jordan to the Med for a Jewish state. The Palestinians must leave or be evicted for they are "stones on the road" that must be removed( Ben Gurian) or live " like dogs" (Moshe Dayan).
'eee' represents they type of thinking that if followed will eventually lead to an apocalypse for the Zionist state of Israel. In time, the world populace will see how innately cruel is this Zionist colonial movement, the abrogation of any compassion/responsibility for the focible removal of the 800,000 Palestinians from their homes, the on-going ethnic cleansing, and the dispicable insincerity in their "desire for peace' while continuing to build settlements. Israel is tainting Judaism beyond redemption.
Israel and u.s. Insistence on direct negotiations is a transparent act of extreme hyprocisy. When the "peace process"has dragged on for any years with the same basic issues on the table while at the same time more land is expropriated, no reason the Palestinians are skeptical of the good faith intentions of the Zionist. The insistence on sham peace talks are only a cover for the p.r. Push by Israel.
I am beginning to realize that the implistic 2state solution mantra is faulty as the result would still a bigoted and racist state like Israel would continue it's self defeating policies of apartheid, ethic cleansing, genocide and other practices not consistent with teachings from the Torah.
I have also experienced the slow realization that the 2state solution is inherently a poor solution as it would affirm the legitimacy of a racist/bigoted Jewish state-all others accorded inferior status. Bi-nationalism (or the united states of Palestine ) seems more attractive and workable.
And, if Israel would recognize the many U.N. Resolutions addressing the same issues that seem intractable e.g. Right of return, separation wall, land seizure by war, that this would obviate the need to have to negotiate them as demanded by the u.s. And Israel.
Dennis Ross wrote obama's speech so no wonder the tone was pro-Zionism all the way. There are many things he said or omitted that infuriate knowledgeable u.s. Citizens who know the full story (nabka forward). When reading the comments there seem to be a recurring thought: Obama, state department, congress et al have been bought by the Zionist in AIPAC which will grave consequences for Israel, and the u.s. Israel is going to be the ruin of our country.
There is a difference between being anti-Semitic and being anti-Zionist. Zionism, a monsterous mutation of judasm that has only been around for a hundred years and is leading Israel to ultimate destruction because of it's anti-Torah behavior.
When LBJ's aide(w.Jenkins) was arrested for indecent exposure, lbj feared that jenkin's office safe would be opened for evidence. He sent bill moyers his press secretary to clean out the safe containing over 250,000 dollars n cash received be an Israeli frontman for LBJ's "reelection" campaign.
When pressed to launch an investigation, he instructed his staff to not bring up the matter again.
Another example of the Israeli lobby compromising our government in Israeli occupied Washington.
Just as congressman Ryan did a quick read of ayn rand and had a sophomoric epiphany resulting in extreme and unworkable budget proposals, west saw a burning bush on his trip and can not perceive the rotten and evil Zionist plans to continue it's goal of colonizing Israel from the Mediterranean to the Jordan.