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One summer in Germany, a while back, I met many returning US kibbutzim. The exuberance and energy was affecting. Influenced by that, a few months later in college I started to physically protest/jeer from the Israeli perspective. On one occasion we all headed to the Cleveland City Club to hear and jeer Chomsky. Between our interruptions (which he handled gracefully with a "noted" and went on), I heard him speak about water theft. For some reason, being as swept up in the Uris-like glow about Israel as I was, I had never heard (listened?) or asked about anything remotely disturbing about Israel. Afterward I started asking basic questions like, "If this is true, how can one people do this to another people, and we cheer it on?" and got few even marginally responsive answers. All the contradictions between Israel-reality and Israel-myth that appear here, were present even then. The veil was pierced and my perspective flipped almost immediately. It was the '70s, Kent State, and we were supposed to be FOR civil rights. FOR everybody. I felt grossly stupid and more than a little betrayed. My former physical tactics and experience mirror what goes on here an in the larger net world. I understand the desperate need (by Israel) to clamp the lid down hard (and keep it clamped) on the deeply troubling reality of everyday Palestinian life. It also suggests that just one little glimmer of reality that gets through can make a difference, one person at a time. One never knows which glimmer that might be...

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  • The secret location for a debriefing on Palestinian art at the Guggenheim
    • So the "Debriefing" was/is performance art as part of the exhibition? Did I understand that correctly?

      God do I feel old.

    • "...begs the question..." To put it mildly. :)

    • Curious behavior. Is this another version of Israeli cultural absorption, like falafel and maftoul? Why do they care so much about pre-48 Palestinian art to go to all this trouble to invent a story and present it in this way? Was this maybe some Israelis scamming a few bucks on the backs of Palestinian artists?


      And where is all the art stolen from Palestinian homes in West Jerusalem anyway?

  • No responsibility. No morality. No comment. No boycott.
    • "Perhaps the article is more receptive to LZ ears if the term disputed is used..."

      Great point oldgeezer. It does seem like a sort of "lingua franca" in LZ circles and/or the accepted price of entry/"credibility" in the broader intra-Jewish discussion.

    • Yeah MHughes. I think I understand what he's trying get at, but he "Overton Windows" himself in the wrong direction, imho. I think he accepts most of the legitimacy of the position he's trying to argue against and starts his argument from there. It's a thought process akin to Palestinians accepting the annexation of Jerusalem, its suburbs, E1, and the Jordan Valley and starting a two-state negotiation.

      I just think "complexity" is best unscrambled with direct contrasting alternatives rather than acquiescence (partial or otherwise). Mr. Cohen effectively makes the case that "settlement boycotts" are not anti-semitic, but does that mean he believes that boycotting Israel is? It's not clear he does NOT [believe boycotting Israel is anti-semitic]. If he does, there's a ton of subtext here to be unpacked BEFORE getting to any meaningful forward-looking discussion, let alone one on the static historical "what ifs?" you mention. It becomes an unnecessarily variegated and easily sidetracked discussion.


    • "disputed territory"?

      "settlement boycott"? (as opposed to all Israel?)


      What's up with that?

      How can one possibly hope to motivate change when one strenuously advocates in averages?

      Once again... aww screw it.

      I think the author's heart is probably in the right place.

  • Over 1,000 faculty members sign statement condemning 'Canary Mission' blacklist
    • If a business wanted to hire someone with the extremely valuable (and equally rare) combination of vision, courage, self-actualization, and perseverance, Canary Mission would be the FIRST place to go.

      It's a frickin' recommendation if you ask me.

  • NetanyaBOO!: Page Six punching bag Benjamin Netanyahu heckled at 'Hamilton'
    • Now picture how the intentionally-multi-ethnic musical "Hamilton" would play in Israel.

      It wouldn't. Period.

      Ayelet-baby - BooBoo's minister of racism, er, culture - would defund it.

      There's an ugly analogy for BooBoo's conspicuous and disruptive attendance at "Hamilton" but I can't get it right. Something along the lines of "blood diamonds aren't so bad because they clean up just fine", but that's not quite rotten enough.

  • Honor Edward Said's legacy by supporting BDS
    • Go Corbyn!

      He seems to be successfully navigating the anti-Palestinian attacks, fitfully but successfully. He may create a political model for others if/when he's ultimately successful.


  • Shmuley Boteach seeks to blackmail Obama over his legacy
    • So Boteach is a racist occupationist and Wexler is a racist segregationist. What portion of the Jewish "rainbow" do they collectively represent?

      I'm starting to think the struggle isn't about some Jewish position of leadership for Palestinian justice in what seems to be somewhat self-defined as an issue on which Jews must be leaders, but rather a struggle for a consistent, non-insular morality from which Jews (as a named moral force for good, eg. JVP, NOT as individuals who already have the morality) might join the fight sometime in the future pending the outcome of some lengthy internal debate.

      The rest of us are moving on relatively quickly.

      Go Corbyn!

    • Yeah amigo. That Power performance was completely unhinged. People who are afraid of Trump's "finger on the button" should stop extrapolating. Any administration that could produce that performance is one to be very worried about. Here. NOW.

  • 'Beholden to AIPAC' -- progressive senators Warren, Murphy, Brown sign letter seeking to limit Obama's actions
    • Hi Mooser. I just think there are competing dynamics. The wholly unaccountable, power, change-resistant dynamic that has so much annexation/border-expanding inertia at the moment and for the foreseeable future, vs. the embryonic equal rights broad-consensus moral dynamic.

      Imho the annexation inertia won't be countered by the nascent, yet ultimately overwhelming, rights dynamic before Palestine is absorbed into a single state. In the end, "the moral arc of the universe" (firm believer in that), wins via the like-to-like (Apartheid/Hafrada) clarity, awareness, and legal precedents that the annexation vision of the new state will bring.

      Idk. I won't live to see it, but I believe an equal rights version of Palestine-Israel will happen.


    • Point taken echinococcus. It felt wrong when I wrote it. My bad.

      Beyond that you and I are just going to disagree on the dissolution of '67 Israel. Sadly it exists as a repressive, colonial Jim Crow state. I don't believe anything is going to happen to roll that back border-wise ever. I'm just hopeful that whatever the new single state is called becomes (can become) one with equal rights.

    • Hey Phil, why can't you just say "occupied Palestine?" You just ran an article by Jonathon Cook decrying the "erasure of Palestine." Surely not being able to call Palestine by its name propagates that erasing (literally, if for no other reason).

      Why do you participate in the "erasure of Palestine" in your writing?

      The borders are defined, the world recognizes it, and using the name Palestine has no bearing on any one-state, two-state considerations (as Palestine is being inexorably absorbed by Israel). Not getting the reluctance. Just thought I'd ask directly.


  • UC Berkeley reinstates Palestine class, rejecting pressure from pro-Israel groups
    • So cool. Next time this course is offered it will have 52 enrollees. Yay AMCHA!

      All these efforts at quashing pro-Palestinian activism, or just simple, non-boilerplate discussion of what's really going on in Palestine, are almost certain to have the opposite of the intended effect. They triple they notoriety/awareness without countering the basic, seldom-heard-publicly facts. In fact they reinforce the credibility of the Palestinian side of the story by showing - in full view - a small dose of the unacceptable (ie. a non-shared value) repression the Palestinians in Palestine live with/under every single day.

      At the risk of being repetitious, there's nothing the anti-Palestinian crowd can try to do at this point to keep the lid on a foul, generations-long situation which is scratching and clawing its way out into the open, that won't backfire on them. The basic situation is credible, irrefutable, ongoing, and repugnant to most normal people so ANY publicity can only reinforce those fundamentals.

  • In Brookings poll, most Dems say $38 billion aid package to Israel is 'way too much' while the GOP is split
    • I really like Telhami/PIPA/WPO/UMaryland use of specific, informational questions in their polling. They really frame the opinion "fulcrums" in specific terms and generate immediately relevant and transferrable (if there ever came a desire) policy commentary/suggestions.

      His polling also consistently shows the the US public isn't stupid or unhinged. When presented with enough info to make a decision they seem to make a rational one.

      It's also a bit puzzling (or something) that he works for Haim Saban's shop at Brookings and still produces such accurately representative (imho) polling data - usually negative and/or contrary - on Israel.

  • US aid deal gives green light to Israel's erasure of Palestine
    • Since you used sneer quotes around "truths," please give an example of an obstructing "truth" from the ooccupied, suppressed, and colonized Palestinian side. Or are those the Palestinian "truths" you sneer at?


  • 'NYT' editorial on US military aid leaves out Palestinians because it knows it would lose the argument
    • Is Sen. Leahy (iirc) going to go forward with his hearings on the legality of this aid, absent a certification that it adheres to US human rights LAW?

      Oh never mind. That possibility (Ie. the smallest wisp of a hint that maybe not all is quite right/legal with aid to Israel) is probably not in the NYT editorial either (should I have read it?).

      Just curious, but does the NYT disallow comments on all their editorials, or just ones on Israel, or just ones where they [must] KNOW they're so completely divorced from reality as to invite overwhelming amounts of vicious and well-deserved ridicule?

  • If I speak at your conference, conservatives will be upset, liberals will congratulate themselves, and the colonised won't be helped
    • Wow!

      Thoughtful, eloquent, important, and RIGHT!

      There are quite a few really interesting and relevant issues raised and suggested in this letter. Without writing 5000 words (bo-ring) perhaps they might be congealed by asking if the/some AAI members "study" Palestinians and Palestinian culture (ie. Palestinians as objects, or even worse as done-deal "historical" objects)?

      Thank you Professor Hage. Remarkable piece. Right decision.

  • 'Where do you want it?': Israeli soldier taunts unarmed Palestinian man before shooting him
  • Two women's boats set sail for Gaza in effort to break blockade
  • More insultingly stupid propaganda for Israel in the 'New York Times'
    • Well said MHughes.

    • Yeah. Yeah. Even if you suspend your giant wall of disbelief for a sec and give Rudoren credit for a tiny sliver of truth, the US Declaration was quickly followed by stable, yet living/amendable, black-letter Constitution guaranteeing basic rights and capable of adding more.

      End of Israel analogy and the whole "shared values" manipulation.

      But then, we are now in the process of importing Israeli "values" (c.f. anti-BDS legislation) designed to shred or ignore our written Constitution and make us more like Israel. So maybe Rudoren gets the last "ipso facto" laugh after all.

      And both major party presidential candidates (and at least the last two presidents) say "Amen! Hallelujah!!"

      Sad. Tragic actually. How does one shifty little perrenial [known] bad-actor backwater country have SO much global reach that it can make seemingly everyone else abandon all our ideals and/or aspirations and adopt its diseased/repressive-as-first-resort/Jerry-Springer-show-racist political pathology as our own?

      And the trolls say just asking the question is a proverbial "trope" and assert that we ban burkinis (and worse, like defunding health care for the poor in the US to provide record military/repression/killing aid for Israel) because we have independently deemed that to be in our own best interests to do so. Heh. Right-y-o.

      Thanks for these articles PW and DJ and (((JN))). They really highlight the chasm between what is and what we have been rhetorically "nose-ringed" into believing "is" is. (h/t Boomer for the Juan Cole link the other day)

  • The right to educate
    • Great comment jd65.

      I was kinda going the other way. Instead of comparing to homogenize and obscure, I was wondering out loud if the current treatment of Palestinians is unusually harsh by historical standards.

      I think it may be, probably as a function of the power differential, but there seems to be some gratuitous infliction of pain mixed in as well.

      Reading this article, I got a feeling of hopelessness just out of frame due to the incessant and unbelievably granular anti-Palestinian attacks. That made me curious whether there might be specific lessons learned in comparable initially-hopeless struggles, if any, that might inform the current Palestinian struggle. Some models of incremental perseverance and/or micro-deliverance.

      The courage of these people and the others you mentioned is astounding, but I suspect not limitless.

      Just ruminating.

    • Are Palestinians and Palestinian educators unique in these efforts to quash their message, and frankly, them personally. It seems so, currently anyway.

      But how about historically? Have other groups, like say labor organizers/"fairness" educators in the '30s (probably a bad example) been treated this harshly by forces with vested interests in seeing that their compelling moral high ground does NOT get mainstreamed?

      I think what's happening today to even Palestinian educators who play by all the rules may be unique. But maybe not.

      Again, genesto said a while back that "We are all Palestinians." So in the sense that this thought-destruction (for lack of the right word) is happening/is allowed to happen to "them," it's happening to all of us. The nature of US Constitutional democracy is changing before our eyes. I mean this in the most sincere way possible...Palestinians and the Palestinian message are the amphibians of our political ecosystem.

      Or, shorter version: "First they came for the Palestinians. ..."

      Thanks Ms. Elia.

  • Trump could be bumpy for Jews
    • "The ancestors of most Jews experienced the worst of being outsiders, “vermin,” “parasites,” and Jews have a learned aversion to governments that persecute, and to proud majoritarian mobs." - See more at: link to

      Come again. Is that a joke?

      If "Jews" (following from the deplorable generalization in the article) keep sending Billions in annual federal aid to the motherland thus quite literally depriving poor people in Alabama of health care, that's a choice that "Jews" make (and broadcast).

      If "Jews" don't like being the objects of scorn then stop doing bad/selfish stuff that hurts people. Simple. Or maybe better, if it's bad for "Jews" to be singled out don't write an article that singles out "Jews" as particularly vulnerable. If elected, Trump is going to be bad for a lot of people.

      "Bad for Jews" has such a sour privileged taste to it. Who cares? We're all in this TOGETHER. Or are we? Wait, now I'm not so sure. (See how that works...)

      Trump is only the conduit not the instigator. As this article so perfectly illustrates, this is a self-inflicted concern - if it is a concern at all.

      And for PS sakes, If your worried about how "Jews" are perceived and/or singled out, don't crow about how Hillary is going to be good for "Jews" when she's going to be bad for the vast majority of the other people on the planet.


  • Amos Oz would never stand in the street in Tel Aviv shouting 'Kill all the Arabs'
    • Good one Boomer. Thanks. It's amazing how seamlessly the Zios fit or try to fit into Cole's observation on perceptual manipulation with their "Palestine never existed." schtick. It's like they innately know the formula, but then screw it up with their breathless "explicit-ness."

    • Wow. Wonder if other student-led classes have been cancelled by Chancellor whim, or is this the only one?

      If this is the only one, isn't that the sound of a line being crossed? Or was that line crossed long ago?

    • Yeah well, a lot of people say Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, and maybe Lebanon shouldn't exist, either with words or vile deeds. What's the "anti-" word for that (so we can all start saying it) and why should we care about Israel any more, or less, or differently?

      Yeah, yeah. Cue the profoundly sophist and artfully irrelevant "43 Arab countries..." rationalization cloud.

  • Why I single out Israel
    • Great point yourstruly. It sure seems like Trump is uniquely positioned to do just that, but for some reason he isn't likely/won't pull the trigger on it. It's like he doesn't actually want to win.

      But then Hillary could also win easily if she would just be honest about stuff, and especially if was sincere about wanting to stop the evisceration of the middle class. But she isn't either.

      Weird election. Both candidates [knowingly] putting forth the worst possible positions/personae and asking for votes. Both going to great lengths to show/demonstrate the gaping chasm between the peopke they represent and the people they say they represent. I hope voters take note and vote third party and REALLY throw it all up in the air with about a 35% NEITHER vote.

      The signs of the proverbial system actually coming apart at the seams are there this time. One can only hope that something politically buildable happens in 2016.


  • Israeli government projects 'ethnic cleansing' on Palestinians
    • Are we still discussing the ebb and flow in the conditions required for two states, or is this a "Biibs is a loon" article?

  • NYC city council anti-BDS bill meets resistance from protesters
  • After building a protest movement, West Bank village of Nabi Saleh steps back from weekly Friday protests
  • New call for US investigation into killing of Palestinian-American teen in West Bank
    • Being an American was probably what got him killed. He assumed he had every right to go where and when he wanted to go. Aka freedom.

      Sadly, exercising freedom appears to be a capital offense in Israel. More alarmingly, those Israeli mores are creeping/done creeped into our US political culture as the reluctance to investigate this shows. US citizens should be very on edge about this trend. We're next.

      As genesto said a bit ago, "We are all Palestinians."

  • 'NY Times' rigs a purported news article to push U.S. escalation in Syria
    • Thanks JLD. Very informative vid. Ritter is great about stressing the same mechanical pattern of "disinformation" tells us intervention is imminent and in process.

      He had the audience (and me) repeating it with him. I really had no idea that it was that mechanical, but it appears to be.

      Tweeted it and one of the #DemExit folks retweeted, so it got some play. Thanks again.

  • Pro-Israel groups declare 'lawfare' on BDS movement in Canada
    • Maybe a coalition of various advocacy groups can be formed to initiate/pass SLAPP legislation in Canada.

      Sounds like a sharp rise in frivolous lawsuits is in the works there.

  • The United States of Innocence -- the worldview of Major Todd Pierce (retired), Part 2
    • PS. It would be REALLY interesting to see a panel sometime with Pierce and Bacevich on it. There's a lot of commonality between them and some differences on emphasis (critical need/effect of the draft maybe, past and future) and/or rate of the approach of any societal reckoning. They would really synergize each other's world views, imho.

      Maybe at a MW convention....

    • Brilliant interview Phil. Pitch perfect, contextual, and dire.

      There are so many absolutely spot on thoughts, patterns, and observations.

      FWIW I'd add and/or emphasize that the societal cratering we're locomoting toward will be vastly more precipitous, severe, and unexpected than any of the previous implosions Maj. Pierce cited because of the unprecedented comprehensive success in concealing the intermediate effects (aka warning signs).

      Thanks to both of you.

  • There's no room on campus to be progressive and pro-Israel
  • Many leftwing Israelis are leaving the country -- 'Forward' breaks an important story
    • Hi Marnie. I had thought that Ms. Zonszein had considered Israel her home as well.

    • Echino, I'm getting your anger but not your reasoning.

      PS. "Meistervolk?" Seriously?

    • @echino

      Israel is going away by its own hand. It may take a while but unless they go full Nazi on the Palestinians the Zionists have skillfully and inexorably maneuvered themselves into a minority position in what they call "their" own country.


    • Mairav Zonszein has some courage but she's leaving. Haneen Zoabi, who faces bigger and more numerous threats to life and liberty, is staying and slogging it out.

      I understand the elements of truth in what you're saying Marnie, but I'm sticking with my original comment. The cut-and-run attitude/ability and the seemingly complete unwillingness to work with "others" of the Jews who MW seeks to influence to make Israel better, help Palestinians, show that not all Jews are violently racist and/or repressive Zionists, or some other good purpose, negatively impacts the effectiveness of the message here.

      I believe it's an important message but I question whether a large chunk of the target/receptive audience is even capable of acting on that message because of artificial/self-imposed constraints.

      That's why I asked, "Why?". Why is Mairav Zonszein leaving the "Jewish State" when Haneen Zoabi is not? I believe that's a more complete and important discussion than the lone fact that Ms. Zonszein is leaving.

    • Compare to the Joint List types who stay and fight for what they believe.

      These timid lefty Jewish-Israelis would rather bail than ally with their [natural] non-Jewish moral allies. The far bigger story is "Why?"

      I don't pretend to understand the ease with which these lefties-of-convenience abandon their country/"Jewish State" and leave it to others - non-Jews - to fight their all-too-real battles. And frankly, they carry that defeatism/feebleness/lack of courage their new host country.

  • Liberal Zionists see 'window of opportunity' for two states in last three months of Obama administration
    • Great questions Boomer. Especially the last one. I have no idea.

      My only motivation for that comment was that the APN types SAY they want a Palestinian state but never quite get around to ask for (or even recommend) one directly. These sporadic, spasmodic LZ tizzies are the Shakespearean "...tale
      Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
      Signifying nothing."

      It must be hell for them to doom themselves to be forever oblique and tangential.

    • @Boomer I pretty much agree with your observations but draw the opposite conclusion.

      The Zionists have lost.

      The seeds of Zionism all-but-notional demise were embedded in both the premise and the entitled, excessive implementation right from the start.

      I don't know if Israel would accept (as opposed to desire) a Palestinian statelet because I believe they know that that would inarguably complete the definition of, and broadly perceived moral equivalence to, South African Apartheid. No more ambiguity.

      Similarly they're hosed if the DO NOT do something to physically segregate end masse and simply occupy in perpetuity. That's half de jure, half de facto One State and becomes equally inarguable to suppress the political and human rights of more than half the people under your control forever.

      Lose-Lose, imho. Timing TBD, but the enabling ambiguity seems to be fading in real time (though glacially so).

      Agree about the refugees though, should they wish to come.

    • If it's two STATES they "want" the biggest and quickest thing Obama could do is recognize Palestine as, you know, a STATE.

      Stroke of the pen kinda stuff. He did it for South Sudan.

  • Marc Lynch warns against the U.S. escalation in Syria
    • Aye Danaa. The mysterious brother. Probably tended by one of the equally mysterious, chimeric, letter-signing pediatricians.

      I don't know. Perhaps the Nobel committee can sort it all out. ;)


    • Thanks gracie fr. Good articles.

      It was interesting to note that Clinton was notionally FOR diplomatically encouraging Assad to liberalize prior to 2011 but changed her view when the Israeli government changed its view around that time.

      Coincidence? Who knows.

    • A) "The outside actors include: the U.S.; Russia; Turkey; Iran; Saudi Arabia; Qatar ..." - See more at: link to

      Israel didn't make the list for providing military and medical support for Nusra/al Qaeda/whatever they're called now?

      B) That photo of the kid is very likely a fake. Are a few hundred thousand MORE human beings now going to die because of a fake photo that reinforces a preconceived notion based on an imperial aim osmotically implanted by endless media cheerleading that is now grudgingly embraced by former "skeptics" thus removing all obstacles to a few hundred thousand MORE dead human beings and the lucky ones living in a fiery hell of our making? The self-enforcing death circle/spiral is as astounding as it is obvious. Even as it plays out in this article.

      Fake photo: link to

      C) I hate to use a movie cliché to sum it up, but that's where we're cartoonishly at on this intervention death-cult sickness - grudging or otherwise: "The only way to win is not to play." Period. That's the starting point and the ending point. The "anti-Nike" motto: "Just DON'T do it!"

      There were and ARE ways to get rid of Assad (if that's the honest objective) without turning the lives of 25M human beings into a hellish mess. Apparently it is NOT the honest objective because we did not (and are not) pursuing those diplomatic/non-violent methods. So using Assad as a rationale for death and destruction is the sign of either a dupe or a naif.

      D) Democracy (or just stable and/or consensual political institutions) has to be organically developed. Without that organic basis the inevitable result of intervention and destabilization is a worse outcome. Rule #1. Failure to heed this rule results in an argument - witting or unwitting - FOR the worse outcome.

      E) The principal, long-term, and perhaps unrecoverable disaster of this election is that voters who would normally oppose Clinton's perpetual war fetish/freak are now going to vote FOR that option. Again, no more obstacles to killing anybody any time for any reason in any quantity. The cost to the planet (and the US) will be extreme and enduring.

      I hope I'm very wrong.

  • Beyond the flag
    • Nicely done Ms. Elia.

      Once again you beautifully translate a wispy poetic thought into prose with real world application.

      I really enjoy your writing.

  • Syrian death tolls and the kinder gentler jihadists
    • Thanks Keith. It was a good article sans the "war criminal" contention/opinion.

      He certainly wasn't before we intervened. Don't know how you save 25M human beings from being ruled by head-chopping, cage-burning, liver-eating animals (ntm the sick-boy-throat-slitting "moderates") by laying down - by not fighting back.

      If Assad is, Obama, HRC, Bush, et. al., are as well. And as you say Lincoln too. Truman didn't need to nuke a city. He could have nuked a military base. Etc. Etc. Etc.

      IDK. I'm tired.

  • #PayPal4Palestine campaign urges PayPal to serve Palestinians, not just Israelis
    • There may be some shaming leverage here:

      link to

      Schulman apparently has a social conscience for non-Palestinian types. Also PayPal is possibly in a sensitive biz position because it's heading in new directions after splitting with eBay. It may be sensitive to bad publicity which this blatant discrimination will draw out.

    • What's with the appeal to reason as a correcting force/mechanism? US Treasury does business...? Pfft.

      PayPal isn't doing this for any valid or rational reason. They're doing it because they desire to afflict Palestinians at the behest of the GoI. Period.

      The correcting force is to afflict back. Somehow.

    • Edit: It's just bizarre that they keep on trying.

      The inconceivable "innateness" of the "we must be obeyed" mentality of Israelis (as perfected on Palestine and Palestinians) that propels these coercive efforts despite the more destructive (to themselves) side effects is astounding. It's way beyond blinkered. It's like gravity (the invisible force sense) of the mind or something. I don't know.

    • Great question amigo!

    • Hmm. The Jewish CEO of Paypal does business in every other country in the world except Palestine.

      I wonder if the vaguely-worded California anti-BDS applies to Paypal. This would certainly seem to be a boycott against a specific ethnic group. The absolute proof being the 1 of 203 condition.

      Goodbye CA state revenues PayPal.

      Actually this boycott drives a stake through the heart of that, and similar, legislation, but suggests that if such legislation is worded universally it might help Palestinians.

      The Israelis and their sycophants here are out of options for coercing Israel-friendly behavior from free people. Not only is it unconstitutional, near as I can tell the side effects are ALL worse for Israel (from their perverse, like-us-or-else PoV) than the problem-that-isn't-a-problem (BDS) they're trying to crush.

      It's just bizarre.

      Thanks WD. Important stuff of the hoodathunkit (Palestine solely targeted in the entire world is beyond even my cynicism) variety. A pristene example of the needless challenges/affronts Palestinians and Palestine face solely because Israel covets their land and resources, wants to humiliate them, or more likely both.

  • ADL took US cops to Israeli prison, occupied Hebron and settler winery during counter-terror seminar
    • To expand...

      I'd REALLY like to see that last not-so-hypothetical play out.

      The Muslim cop's Israeli escorts would immediately take the side of the crazies. If the US cop was armed, there could be a weapon drawn on Jews by a Muslim on a zealously-maintaining Jews-only street in illegally-occupied Hebron where the escorts would have respond with force or the Netanyahu government would lose its settler bloc and fall.

      Headline/law enforcement grapevine: Israelis shoot US police officer for violating racist protocol/asking questions/provocation/being uppity/protecting himself/resembling a Palestinian/no reason/whatever. (Some of which would be seen as good things in some police circles, no mistake.)

      Hmmm. Popcorn.

      Of course the Israelis could avoid risking this not-so-hypothetical by simply not asking any Arab/Muslim officers on this tour. Or heck, if that would be unacceptable in some circles they could just set up separate (but equal, of course) itineraries for the questionable officers.

    • Counter-terrorism techniques, eh?

      How do the Israelis define terrorism again? Human beings who on any given day they - collectively or individually - simply don't like? Must repress! The only rule is there are no rules? The beatings will continue until morale improves? (Which btw seem to be the takeaways from this grand experience. Woe is us.)

      It would be illuminating for these repression tourists (er, police administrators), and for the rest of us to see their reaction, if some Palestinian got hold of their Hebron schedule in advance and tried to walk down a Jews-only street while the tourists were observing potentially-transplantable Israeli "policing" techniques.

      It would be double interesting if an Arab or Muslim attendee declared that heritage and asked some mild "what if..." questions while walking down a Jews-only street during one of these jaunts. I suspect the fundie settlers there would go uncontrollably nuts.

  • 'Democracy' and 'terrorism' and the parameters of thinkable thought
    • Yes!

      In three words or less you completely change the conversation.

    • Great article.

      This lays out why I object so much to the use of "the occupied territories." It's a phrasing/framing intended to completely negate Palestine and Palestinian identity in conversation. As Annie pointed out/corrected me a while back it's Israel-occupied PALESTINE. Or just occupied Palestine.

      As mentioned in thus article, specific names have power and meaning, and autocorrect the opposite message in real time. Not using proper names (Palestine) accepts and perpetuates the overt dismissiveness of the oft-repeated generic framing.

      This is particularly important when most Americans believe it is Palestine that is occupying Israeli territory.

      link to

      Sorry to be repetitive but with Avigail's article and this one there seems to be an uptick in the discussion of effective language surrounding this multi-generational travesty. This seemed relevant.


  • France's burkini ban is a dangerous, Islamophobic assault on feminist values
    • Je suis la burkini. :)

    • Vikram, he was mocking the ugly thinking behind the burkini ban by showing how ugly it is when applied to another religion.

      By using the nuns this way he was actually holding them up as exemplars-of-purity-and-goodness in order to contrast the French hypocrisy and bigotry.

    • Heh. Good one.

    • All the women in France who don't like being told what to wear by the state should wear them as a fashion statement. Let the police sort it out.

      I can see them carding women for religion and arresting/publicly undressing only the Muslims.

      Who thinks up this shit?

  • Israeli military clears Israeli military of war crimes in Gaza
  • Scottish football fans raise over 100,000 pounds for Palestine following flag controversy
    • Every once in a while a story pokes out out of the fog of cynicism and vitriol that really gives you a lift.

      People are getting it!! Lots of people! (...and acting on it.)

      Great story.


  • A new milestone: BDS at the Olympics
    • OT now, but I never knew this:

      link to

      "Almost no one seems to be aware that even if the U.S. were a perfect country today it would be bizarre to expect African American players to stand for the Star Spangled Banner. Why? Because it literally celebrates the murder of African Americans.

      Few people know this because we only ever sing the first verse. But read the end of the third verse and you’ll see why the Star Spangled Banner is not just a musical atrocity, it’s an intellectual and moral one, too:

      No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
      And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
      O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

    • Colin Kaepernick, a starting NFL quarterback sat down during the national anthem to protest racism in the US.

      link to

      Good on him.

    • Agree genesto.

      Not only signify, but serve as a metric of progressive sincerity, honesty, and universality. If one doesn't front or simply include Palestine in one's progressive "palette," one is an unprincipled gutless fraud, incapable of acting progressively on any issue.

    • You may be right catalan. It is the wrong forum for applying pressure on Israel, but since ALL the "right" fora have been eliminated over the course of this 70 colonization/ethnic cleansing with the slaughter of human beings mixed in PRN, this becomes the default "right" forum because it's the only one left.

      Blame the GoI for funneling protest here by it's total, abject, omni, and generational failure to even attempt to resolve it's illegal and amoral behavior.

      BTW NONE of those flare ups you mention has been going on for more than a decade. That makes this one first in the queue for notoriety and resolution.

      I have to say it's Israel's special hands-off [non-] treatment under international law that is shredding that law. Expect more of this type of protest if that process is not reversed. All the advocates of death out there will be increasingly unrestrained, there will be many more prolonged failures of the institutions charged with resolutions (especially given that the advocates of death are in charge of them), and high-profile, globally-publicized events like this will become increasingly political as disenfranchised seek to bring attention to their ongoing plights.

    • Less normalization does seem to be the trend. Great!

      I wonder if African athletes shook (were required to shake) the hands of RSA athletes in anti-Apartheid protest years or if this is a new rule because it's Israel.

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