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  • 'Heart-wrenching, harrowing, transfixing' -- NYT needs to end blackout on Blumenthal
  • 'This land is ours. All of it is ours': Meet the Netanyahu cabinet members focused on fighting BDS & annexing the West Bank
    • "please help me with my logic… There are many different passages in the Bible describing God’s gift of the land'

      I recommend that you take a refresher course in logic, and then take up the issue with God yourself. If you can track him down, that is. He's a pretty elusive and slippery character, and he has good lawyers.

      "Does that mean settlements are to expand indefinitely, over what are now Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq?"

      Yes.

    • "On the first, I think the “only” is contained in the assumption that their God is all powerful …"

      Seems a reasonable conclusion to draw.

      "On the second point, ...So this is sets a condition for those actions."

      Mere legal niceties. Why let them spoil the fun?

    • Good to see you posting again, Zofia.

      "First of all it is not as if everything was calm and that it started on 29 November,"

      Indeed not. Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne in 1944.

      The King David Hotel was blown up in July 1946.

      Zionist violence starts at least from the first time Zionists bought a bit of land and used force to drive away the tenant farmers.

      But it is important to remember that the Zionists were the invaders.

      According to the 100% super-reliable Wikipedia
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      Lehi allegedly said, "We accuse Lord Moyne and the government he represents, with murdering hundreds and thousands of our brethren; we accuse him of seizing our country and looting our possessions. We were forced to do justice and to fight".*

      The Zionists were in the process of seizing the country long before then.

      (*If this quote is accurate, Lehi were guilty, not merely of terrorism, but, much more seriously, of misuse of commas.)

    • "Tzipi Hotovely explained she is on a mission to convince the world that Israel inherited the occupied Palestinian territories from God."

      It will be hard going to convince that very large part of the world that does not believe in God, and pretty tough to convince the part that does believe but want to see at least a signed deed of transfer.

      She will have better chance if she can get God to appear at the UN and confirm her claims.

    • "It depended entirely upon the Jews following His commandments. If they did not, they would be expelled from the land with great suffering. This part is vivid and clear.

      They were expelled from the land. By the Bible’s logic, that means they broke the deal."

      1. If commandments not followed, then expelled.
      2. Expelled
      3. Therefore commandments not followed.

      If that is the Bible's logic, it commits the fallacy of transposed conditional.

      1. If it is raining, the streets will be wet.
      2. The streets are wet.
      3. Therefore, it is raining.

      But it isn't raining. A water main has burst.

      To make the argument work we need an "only".

      1'. Only if commandments not followed, then expelled.
      2. Expelled
      3. Therefore commandments not followed.

      (1' is equivalent to "if expelled, then commandments not followed.)

      Does the Bible slip an "only" in somewhere?

      "But in this second coming it says NOTHING about driving out the inhabitants."

      But the earlier parts of the Bible seem to suggest that driving out inhabitants is a jolly good thing to do. What's wrong with doing it again?

  • The crisis of the American Jewish community
    • "Oh well, Holy Land, they’re not making any more of it. "

      Not so fast. What about the artificial island idea? If the island is built by Holy Landers off the coast of the Holy Land wouldn't that be Holy? Would it have to be within Holy Territorial Waters, or can it be beyond them? Would it have to be built with Holy Material from Holy Land? (I'm sure Saudi Arabia would happily contribute some Holy Builder's Rubble from the Makkah-Madinah part of the Hejaz. Lindisfarne is too small to contribute.)

      Or can ordinary building material be made Holy by blessing it, the way Holy Water is made Holy? Slip an Irish priest couple of quid and a bottle of Jamesons and he'll happily do the job.

      "The less Jews there are, the more Holy Land for each Jew. "

      [Ahem!] " The fewer Jews there are …", if you please. Or even if you don't.

      As far as I am concerned, the more Holy Land for everyone, the better.

      Or am I thinking of Holy Ground?
      link to oldsaltblog.com

    • "JVP Jews by and large are just leftists who happen to be Jewish, and they are not the future of the Jewish community. They are radical assimilationists who, as every analysis shows, will by and large not perpetuate Judaism in any meaningful way in the next generation or two."

      Do you mean that they will not influence many other Jews, and always be a minority, or that by not perpetuating Judaism they and their successors will cease to be Jews?

      If the JVP Jews influence a sufficiently large number of Jews, and this influence passes on from generation to generation, then more and more Jews will become ex-Jews, and leave no Jewish offspring. This will lead to a notable reduction in the number of Jews in the American Jewish community, and that reduction will be part of the "future of the Jewish community".

      " So they don’t matter in the long run."

      Don't matter in what way? If they can have a notable impact on US policy, that will matter.

  • Israel will imprison soldier, 19, for publicly criticizing the occupation
  • Kim Philby's last straw
    • "RoHa,
      Your link is to a book by an Anti-Semitic white -supremacist:"

      So what? He still could be right.

      I haven't read the book myself, so I can't judge it. Some reviews suggest his evidence doesn't quite clinch the case, and that he needs a good editor. (And don't we all?)

      But since it is clear that

      (a) Israel had a motive
      (b) Israel has a record of assassination as an instrument of policy

      it seems reasonable to keep Mossad on the list of suspects (without claiming guilt) until the actual guilty party is discovered.

    • "some significant father-son divergence"

      There certainly seems to have been some. One one stage it looks as though Kim was sent to spy on his father.
      Interestingly, both of them were British intelligence agents, and they both threw their lot in with the people they were supposed to spy on.
      The father became a Muslim and worked for Ibn Saud.
      The son became a communist and worked for the Soviets.

    • "Let’s not forget that JFK was allegedly assassinated by a conspiracy that included the mafia, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret service, the Dallas Police, anti-Castro Cubans, pro-Castro Cubans…and I’m sorry if I forgot anyone… So, sure, while we’re at it, why not include “the Zionists”?"

      Here you go.

      link to amazon.com

      I don't know who did kill JFK. (Though I'm pretty sure it wasn't me.) The Lone Crazed Gunman story is as fishy as the indestructible passports, but beyond I cannot go.

    • Not just any old academic Arabist, but a damned important player in the whole business.

    • Not literally. Sirhan was too far away to get any of RFK's blood on his hands. Also, he was in front of RFK. RFK was shot in the back at very close range.

      But are you suggesting that the involvement of a single Palestinian in the assassination of RFK excuses the putative involvement of the Government of Israel in the assassination of JFK?

    • "Instinctively pro-Arab"

      More than just instinct. His father was the splendidly named Abdullah Harry St John Bridger Philby.

      link to en.m.wikipedia.org

      link to darulrahma.blogspot.com.au

  • The grotesque injustice of Obama's speech at the Washington synagogue
    • Given the current position of the Canadian Government, I'm pretty sure “fuck Canada” would count as anti-Semitic as well.

    • "A world in which prizes are handed out to politicians in the hope that they will do something right. "

      Let's not give up. It might work one day.

  • Losing public opinion on BDS, activists turn to 'lawfare'
    • " relocated to Istanbul, Turkey."

      And not to one of the many other Istanbuls that everyone talks about.

  • JVP to Obama: 'Shared values' means opposing Israel's systematic discrimination against non-Jews
    • "I would probably have been self-righteous and judgemental like you. Instead I had to deal with a whole bunch of stuff that you wouldn’t ever understand."

      I'm glad you avoid being judgemental about Mooser.

    • I should point out that Kipling was saying that the white man had a moral obligation to improve the lot of the natives he ruled over.

    • "The Palestinians are not the easiest of partners."

      Indeed not. Some of the cheeky buggers think they've got rights.

  • Sam Harris and the dangers of false atheism
    • "Blake wrote of it, and its sublime mystery."

      I remember it from my schooldays.

      Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
      Bring me my Arrows of desire:
      Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
      Bring me my Chariot of fire!
      Singin' doo wah diddy diddy down diddy doo.

    • I don't like the dusk. I don't actually rage, but I do close the curtains against the dying of the light.

      And it means "down diddy doo."

    • link to fragrantica.com

      But, seriously, I frequently ask "what do you mean by X", and hardly ever receive answers.
      Why is that?

    • What do you mean by "spirituality"?

  • Israeli activists meet with FIFA head Sepp Blatter to tell him: Israeli Football Association deserves a 'red card'
  • Pro-Israel wealthy Jews feature in 'Forward,' Christie roast, and U of Michigan censorship
    • "no one has authority in matters of definition"

      Ahem!

    • Mooser, I suspect that quite a few of those "self-haters" are really just misguided. They want to be good, properly Jewish, Jews, but they don't know how, and nobody can tell them how to be Jewish.

    • "“And since making Israel disappear would require the disappearance of seven million Israeli Jews, "

      Just as making East Germany disappear required the disappearance of more than sixteen million East Germans.

    • Mooser, with all this new anti-Semitism that hophmi and Yonah are so concerned about, these days I cant tell the difference between The Jewish Daily Forward and the Völkischer Beobachter.

  • Obama equates Israel's creation to African-Americans gaining right to vote
    • 'Shouldn’t it be: “There’s a direct line between supporting the right of the Jewish people to a homeland and to supporting Blacks in America to have a distinct and separate homeland where they can feel safe and free of discrimination and persecution.” '

      Yes. That's what Liberia is for.

    • Quite right, hophmi. The problem has to be solved on the backs of the Palestinians because, as we all know, Jews are much more important than Palestinians.

    • "There’s a direct line between supporting the right of the Jewish people to have a homeland and to feel safe and free of discrimination and persecution, and the right of African Americans to vote and have equal protection under the law."

      I would love to see:

      (a) An argument for the alleged "right of the Jewish people to have a homeland". This would need to include an argument for the implied claim that "peoples" have rights.

      (b) An argument linking that alleged right to the right of African Americans to vote and have equal protection under the law.

    • Another Israeli crime against humanity.

  • The final straw: The real reason why Palestine wants Israel out of FIFA
  • Maybe next time it's Arab Americans who will be interned by U.S. gov't -- Rand Paul launches filibuster
    • "UK Prime Ministers have this nasty habit of being the hanky to catch the POTUS snot whenever he sneezes"

      Aptly phrased!

      I wish I could conjure up a similarly appropriate way of describing the relationship between Australian PMs and POTUS.

  • Netanyahu eulogizes settler movement founder convicted of manslaughter
    • "If you are sanguine ...you will simply anoint yourselves. "

      You are right. This is exactly what Israel supporters do. Very sad.

  • 'NYT' obit turns the murderous settler rabbi into a 'contentious firebrand'
    • Once again I must protest at this slur against the honest, hardworking, ladies of the night who do so much to ease the stresses felt by tired gentlemen.

      Kindly do not compare them with such low-lifes as journalists.

  • The U.S. is at last facing the neocon captivity
    • The U.S. has used this experience to devise their Cunning Plan.

      1. Hand over F35s to Israel, along with details of software and technology.
      2. Israel find it can't keep the planes working, sells everything to China.
      3. China incorporates all this shiny new technology into its planes.
      4. Chinese Air Force falls out of the sky.

      (Possible flaw in plan: assumes Chinese stupidity beyond the norm for officialdom.)

    • "if Arab countries were converted by force into democracies, the people would embrace the change and would also accept Israel as a great neighbor. "

      I seems to me that the more democratic Arab countries become, the less likely they are to embrace Israel.

  • Congress and state legislatures are on the warpath against BDS
    • That song's a bit of a surprise. This is the Happy Song I usually think of.

      link to youtube.com

      Song starts at about 2:59

    • "keep the French from meddling in British control of things "

      Always a good policy.

    • Gah! Take break, man. You have been churning out these lengthy posts non-stop for the last few days, and now this splendid, thumping great, five-parter!

      Get a large whisky, sit back, and give your brain a rest for five minutes, at least. You've earned it.

    • " No one can make you buy anything from Israel. "

      You shouldn't have said that. It will give them ideas. I can hear new laws being drafted even as I write.

    • Only one parent. Yes, still alive. The Queen sent a birthday card, and Her Majesty does not send cards to the undead.

      (She does not want to encourage any sort of revenants, in case one is called Diana.)

    • If he's already been excommunicated, the Jewish commandments no longer apply.

      Salt, fat, and sugar are, of course, the main constituents of my centenarian parent's traditional English vitamin-free diet.

    • All part of my Cunning Plan, Mooser. I intend to get you all excommunicated. Once that is completed, there will be no more Jews, and hence no excuse for a Jewish State.

      And you will be able to eat cheeseburgers and BLTs.

    • "Christmas decorations. Scary blow-up Santas! Lights, lights, lights! And Christmas music!"

      Not only that, but in American shopping malls, as soon as the Christmas decorations go up, they start playing The Red Flag. No just Christians, but Commies as well.

    • 'No group of people – not even Jewish people (who currently have many homelands around the world) – is entitled to a supremacist state or supremacist “national homeland”.'

      No group of people is entitled to any sort of “national homeland” at all.

    • "This goal in effect would eliminate the state of Israel"

      If equal rights for all implies the elimination of Israel, then Israel should be eliminated.

      "and as such is not only anti-Zionist"

      Anti-Zionism is the only moral position. Zionism is evil.

      "but anti-Semitic."

      If you think equal rights for all is anti-Jewish, your idea of Jewishness is very different from Mooser's.

  • Netanyahu: Jerusalem was always the capital 'of the Jewish people alone'
    • "And they picked it up from Soviet anti-Zionism who got it from the Nazis. "

      Actually, Lenin was condemning Zionism as "bourgeois nationalism" before the Nazis had figured out what colour shirts to wear. Did the Nazis ever condemn Zionism?

      But the Soviets were the first to recognize Israel, and stood back while the Israelis got weapons from Czechoslovakia. That's really deep rooted anti-Zionism.

    • "Religiously though, the Moslem claim is just as authentic as the Judaic one."

      Using the internationally recognized RoHa Scale for Holiness, we have established that the Muslim claim is much stronger.

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • "They had their shot, blew it and got kicked out."

      Mooser seems to share this view. Could you expand on it a bit, please, for the sake of the theologically disadvantaged?

  • The burden of remembering
  • What if the Times had sent Rudoren to Selma in 1965?
    • " any number of them may be our brothers-in-law. "

      How did that happen? I haven't got any sisters, and my wife hasn't got any brothers.
      Whoever these guys are, I am not going to lend them my power tools.

    • "Israeli is the Jewish state in the same way France is a French state"

      In what way is France a French state? "French" means "originating in, related to*, or attributed to France". Thus we say "French wine, French intellectual, French foreign policy, French letter". (Occasionally we even say "Frenchman", as an abbreviation for "bleedin' Froggy bastard".)

      But it would be absurd to say that France originates in, is related to, or attributed to itself. So how is France French?

      "I find the BDS position that Jews are unworthy of a country racist."

      But, as far as I can tell, the BDS position does not include "Australian Jews are not worthy of Australia" or anything similar for Jews of any other country.

      "I find the BDS position that Jews can never enjoy full equality racist."

      But, as far as I can tell, the BDS position does not include "Australian Jews can never enjoy full equality with other Australians" or anything similar for Jews of any other country. Where Israel is concerned, full equality for Jews is the aim.

      (*By any relationship other than strict identity. The whole point of the adjective is to inform us of other relationships. Identity we take for granted.)

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