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  • 'No food, no water to revive awaiting certain death...': Horrifying report from Khuza'a village following Israeli attack
  • On ‘Death to Arabs’ in Jerusalem & Tel Aviv
    • The message of Horton Hears a Who is a lesson in scientific method. To wit: base your ideas on the empirical evidence, regardless of popular hysteria or appeals to "consensus".

  • It's time for liberal Jewish bodies to take a stand
    • "It’s time for liberal Jewish bodies to take a stand"

      What, now? You sure? Maybe better to wait another 117 years before you show signs of a conscience.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • Certainly does. I want to see the movie. I'm trying to imagine the poster right now.

      "What unspeakable horrors lurk in

      THE TUNNELS OF TERROR!"

      If someone can find the online poster generator, have go. Perhaps Phil can offer a prize for the best one.

      Make sure you include an image of the young female star screaming. And wearing the minimum possible for a poster.

  • Speaking to the Deaf: Activists attempt to talk with the Israeli public about Gaza
  • Oh what a lovely war!
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • Locke did not invent the idea of human rights and most liberal western democracies do not claim they are granted by God. One can appeal to human rights without appealing to Locke or God.

      Locke made the right of property contingent on the rights to life and liberty. If property claims infringed those rights, there was no right to the property.

      And while the Israelis might have cleared a swamp or two, they certainly stole a great deal of land.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis
    • "I have my villains and villainous countries all mixed up."

      I'll make it easy for you. Just stick to these lists.

      Villainous countries: not San Marino

      Villains: not RoHa

      [Edit: My wife just suggested there may be some errors in the second list.]

    • "In many ways it’s like a real life Tweety Pie cartoon with the IDF as Sylvester."

      I never thought anything could make me feel sympathy for the IDF, but that does. But however bad the Palestinians may be at times, they cannot be as obnoxious as Tweety Pie.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war
    • Russia is certainly denying the US version of the events, but I haven't seen them refute it yet. Their arguments so far do not add up to proof, and that is what is required for refutation.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice
    • "The IRA did not lob rockets at civilian areas."

      They put plenty of bombs in civilian areas.

    • "The sad thing is, they were a very dignified and proud people, flourishing, farming, fishing, and progressing quite well, until the demons from hell were dumped in their territories."

      Yeah, yeah. But were they producing cherry tomatoes?

  • The fascists wanted to murder us: An eyewitness account of Haifa's anti-war protest
  • Netanyahu's latest 'cartoon evidence': racist image identifying Muslims with terror
  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • I know of no moral principle that permits a "people*" to form a state in a territory largely occupied by people who are not members of that "people", regardless of whether or not that "people" had a state in the territory previously. To do so against the wishes of those others is manifestly unjust. Driving out those others and refusing to allow them to return compounds the injustice.

      (*And what is a "people", and what moral implications does being a "people" carry?)

    • I hope Phil is right.

      Right now the Australian media is full of MH17 and Abbott's efforts to make an enemy of Putin. Gaza is very much a second or third level story. This is partly. understandable because Australians form the second largest national group among the victims. (The largest group were Dutch.)

      But when the Gaza story comes through, the media do seem a teeny bit more critical of Israel than previously.

    • They aren't?

    • Bertrand Russell called this "the fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed".

      We see it in those posters who refer to Palestinians as "beautiful", as though they were Tolkien's eleven folk. I think this actually does them a disservice, in that it makes them seem not quite human.
      I'm pretty sure they are, in general, as boring and ordinary as the rest of us. They scratch where they itch, grumble about their spouses, chide and cuddle their children, and die just as messily as we would if we were being bombed by the Israelis.

  • CNN headline: "100 people killed today in Israel, Gaza fighting"
  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated)
  • Massacre in Gaza: At least 60 killed in Shuja'iyeh, over 60,000 in UN shelters
  • Look at Netanyahu's 'evidence' that civilians are harboring rockets in Gaza
    • I'm not convinced.
      That graphic does not show the Hamas super-computer which develops evil plots. It does not show the pipe organ at which the leader of Hamas sits and plays (rather discordantly) Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor*, to the accompaniment of his own manic laughter.

      Without those details, how can we believe such an incomplete picture?

      (*BWV 565)

  • Video: 'It's a hell of a pinpoint operation' -- John Kerry caught criticizing Israel on hot mic during Sunday news show
  • Nobel peace laureates and celebrities call for military embargo on Israel
  • Arrests without charge of American beating victim's relatives in Jerusalem leave State Dep't 'deeply concerned'
    • The Israelis' aim is to incite the Kurds to rebel against their governments and cause further instability in the region. And, of course, to push their "an ethnic group should have a state" ideology.

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  • Video: Outraged constituents confront CT Senator Chris Murphy over support for Gaza attack
    • " after demonstrators marched on two synagogues in Paris last weekend and clashed with riot police."

      Which isn't what happened, of course. Even in my cynical old age I expected better than that from Reuters.

  • The heart of the problem with Israel: The mass expulsion of the Palestinian people
    • "Zionism chose to establish itself by bayonets."

      Exactly. There was no necessity for it. It was a choice. And that immoral choice created the "sides". You cannot appeal to the "nature of war" to absolve the Zionists. It was their choice, so it is their guilt.

      " Israel established long ago right after WWII is not of that frame of mind. "

      The moral principles of responsibility for suffering in war were known centuries ago.

      "Based upon the politics in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and Saudi Arabia..."

      I understand this concern*, but it is not sufficient to stand in the way of justice. The Israelis have had sixty years to find a way of reconciliation with the people they expelled. They have had forty-seven years to make the people of the West Bank and Gaza full members of the body-politic, with an equal status and equal stake in the stability of the country. What have they done? Only added to the injustice.
      Even now it might be possible** to reverse this policy, to bring about a measure of justice and unite the two "peoples" into a single "people". But they will have to work it out for themselves. I simply demand that the Israelis start working on it.

      (*Though I think it is overblown.)
      (**Optimism from someone of my years!)

    • "The argument that driving out the Palestinian population was necessary to Israel’s creation is that had it not happened, there would have been a civil war and the Jews would have been massacred"

      You steadfastly refuse to recognize the reality and the associated morality of the situation. The Zionist intention, clearly stated, was to take over the country and make it into a Jewish State. This meant that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians would be either expelled or subjugated. The Zionists acknowledged that.

      Expulsion began with the Zionists buying land and then driving Arab tenant farmers off the land. Of course, it became full blown expulsion later.
      Subjugation was foreshadowed by the refusal of the Zionists to become part of Palestinian society and their insistence on setting up a "Jews Only" society.

      Thus, it was the expulsion and subjugation that lead to civil war. To claim that expulsion was necessary to avoid a civil war is a reversal of the reality.

      The Zionist plan and its execution were both grossly immoral from the start. It assumed that the wishes of Zionist Jews were more important than the lives and rights of Palestinians.

      If you cannot see that immorality (and it seems you cannot) then it is clear that you do, in fact, believe that Jews matter more than Arabs.

  • Israel is in a pickle
  • Obama humiliates Muslim guests at White House Ramadan event, endorses Israel’s Gaza assault and NSA surveillance
  • Activists occupy UK govt office demanding end to arms trade with Israel
    • "Try asking yourself why they hate you jon s.this does not happen in a vacuum.

      Cause and effect ."

      But amigo, JustJessr told me "that hatred is irrational and needs nothing to exist.”

      Surely you don't want to disagree with him? If you do, you will be "willfully ignorant and hateful".

      (If hatred were such, I would expect it to be totally random. At one time and place it might be directed towards people with hairy ears, at another towards people named “Geoff”, rather than being consistently directed towards a particular group.

      It seems to me that people who hate either have reasons for their hatred or are taught to hate by those who have reasons. The reasons may be utter nonsense, but they are the reasons nonetheless.

      But it is not fashionable to say that.)

    • "UK military exports to Israel include F16 fighter jets"

      Bit of a surprise. I thought those things were made in the US.

  • Bowing to AIPAC, Senate unanimously passes resolution supporting Israel
    • If I remember rightly, the CIA was holding Khaled's wife and sons at the time he confessed.

      He probably confessed to being Jack the Ripper and sinking the Titanic, too.

  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
    • "your claim is unacceptable because it implies “jews” speak in one voice."

      But my point is that we only hear one voice, and that voice is pro-Israel. So those who don't get out much are likely to think that Jews in general are Israel supporters.

      (Psst! It's "kit and caboodle".)

    • Probably she should, and so should I.

      But for those of us who don't, there is a pretty standard pattern.

      We see a sudden spurt of news stories, documentaries, etc, about the Nazis. Then Israel does something appalling. Then people billed as leaders of Jewish organisations write letters to the papers and appear on TV defending Israel. Jews who criticise Israel almost never make it into the media.

      What are we supposed to think?

    • And let's not forget Operation Candytuft.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      But of course, these were real soldiers fighting other real soldiers. No need for heroic pretence.

    • Well, "Operation Bunny Fluff" would hardly be appropriate, would it?

      I have heard that the names for Israeli operations are generated by a computer programme, but they certainly seem more comic-book macho than the names British and Australian forces use.
      link to alanharding.com
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      I note "Primrose", "Marmalade", and "Claret" in the lists. British North African Operations include "Daffodil" and "Tulip".

  • 'Hamas... is putting their own people at risk' -- State Dep't on Israel killing 4 boys on Gaza beach
    • Sorely missed. His erudite slap-downs of Hasbaristas were works of art.

    • Syria, Iraq, and Libya have their own problems. Demonstrating in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain is very dangerous. The Egyptians are probably exhausted from demonstrations, and the new government would not like it. But that still leaves plenty of Arab countries. Perhaps there are some, but they are not being reported.

      I note that there are demonstrations in the Far East, and even in Thailand despite the military government ban on large public gatherings.

  • To my fellow American Jews
  • What would you do?
    • "universal enfranchisement and equal right to hold property and to participate in political life have been conceded."

      And the result of that was Lloyd George! But, yes, if the English can agree to equal rights for the Welsh, surely the Israeli Jews can do the same for the Palestinians.

  • Jet Blue incident shifts from anti-Semitic story to anti-Palestinian one
    • So far, the story we are getting in Australia is that the rebels do have the necessary missiles, and that they mistook the plane for a Ukrainian military plane. This is very much based on the alleged intercept.

    • And why would the Russians deliberately shoot down the plane? Perhaps to be able to say "Look what those crazy Ukrainians have done now." But they have been trying to keep themselves looking restrained and sensible. If the missile were traced back to them, that would blow it. Big risk.

      The Ukrainian government would like to be able to say "Look what those evil Russians have done now", but they aren't quite saying it yet. And again, there is the risk of it being traced back to them. Are they crazy enough to do it?

      Mistake?

      "Plane at 30,000 feet. Must be a bomber. Shoot it down."

      Or did Corporal Potopov just put his coffee cup on the red button at the wrong moment?

    • Lysias, are you suggesting that a government would tell porkies? Perish the thought!

    • Australian military analysts say that bringing down an airliner from 30,000 feet requires a serious missile system with a highly trained crew, and that the insurgents are not likely to have such a system. The Ukrainian rebels themselves deny that they have the technical capability.

      The Ukrainian and Russian military do have the capability. If one of them did it without authority from the top, some commander is sweating.

      Third party actor? The Black Sea is full of US ships at the moment. Are they within range? Or a ship in the Sea of Azov? Be difficult for a third party to get such a missile system close enough on land. You can't hide it in a false bottomed suitcase.

      A really sneaky third party might find a way of using a Russian missile that was already in place, while the crew were having a tea break. But even James Bond would find that tricky.

  • Sullivan and Leveretts throw in the towel on two-state solution
    • Some people can use semi-colons; some can not.

    • Available, but not free.

    • The phrase"friendly bombs" in the headline to Jones' piece is, of course, taken from one of Betjeman's Home Counties maunderings.

      link to poetryconnection.net

      (I actually quite like Betjeman. The real Betjeman, not the parody Burgess puts into Earthly Powers.)

    • That is one of the drawbacks of this site, MDM. Reply buttons vanish so that debates are cut off half way through. A frivolous comment I made two minutes ago may be published immediately, while a serious one languishes for days or even forever. Commas are misused brutally.

      But that is the way it is, and I, for one, think the overall value of the site is so great that I am prepared to take the rough with the smooth.

      Of course, if I were appointed full time moderator, many of these problems would be alleviated. Including, perhaps, even the ill-formed conditionals! But Phil and Adam have made no offer, even though I only require a modest $300,000 salary, and so I expect things will not change.

    • Who are Sullivan and the Leveretts? Are they people of importance whose views are widely read and respected?

      I noticed this bit, since I was living in Britain at the time of these events.

      "what about the country I grew up in, where pubs and department stores in the mainland were blown up, where the prime minister and her entire cabinet were bombed and some killed in a hotel? I don’t recall aerial bombing of Catholic areas in Belfast, do you?"

      And I recalled that The RAF was also remiss in its duty to bomb Boston.
      link to theguardian.com

      Since Britain is not a country renowned for pacifism, cowardice, or excessive concern for foreigners, Israel's lack of restraint looks all the more monstrous.

  • Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
    • "destruction of the state of Israel would be a fair punishment"

      Of the state, yes, but not of the people.

    • " I for one am not holding my breath."

      I'm surprised you have any left after your penultimate sentence.

      The settlers seem to me to be a problem for which there is no easy solution. From what little I know of them, I cannot imagine them quietly becoming good citizens of a Palestinian state. On the other hand, I cannot see them quietly packing up and going to Israel, and I am not convinced that the more sensible Israelis would be too happy about having yet another large bunch of disgruntled crazies within the new borders.

      Nor is the one state solution going to ease the problem much. The new Republic of South Levant would no longer be a Jewish State. The idea that only Jews have rights to the land would have been abandoned. That too goes against the settler ideology.

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
  • Florida Congresswoman sides with Israeli police over her own brutalized teenage constituent
    • Both in Britain and (even more, I think) in Australia the elected MPs are heavily leant on by Israeli lobbies. But at least Britain has Gerald Kaufmann.

  • Joining Graham, Schumer calls for end of Palestinian unification for sake of Israel's 'survival'
  • 'American Jewish voices are most critical in the world' (to end idea that Jewish lives matter more)
    • "Antizionism or antisemitism? "

      Not "true or untrue"?

      I get confused. When you cry "anti-Semitism" about some claim, I'm never sure whether you mean "this claim is not true" or "the claim is true, but Jews are allowed to do this, and should not be condemned for it".

      For each case, could you specify which you mean in future?

    • Sorry, Gamal. I get carried away sometimes.

    • "If I had been born Rwandan, I would root for Rwanda, if I had been born Syrian, I would root Syrian. I was born Jewish, so I root Jewish."

      Rwandan and Syrian are nationalities. Jewish is not. Would you root for American non-Jews if they were in conflict with non-American Jews?

      "It is my side against your side. I value my side; you value your side."

      Why not value decency, humanity, morality? Why not root for justice?

  • Israel's message to the Palestinians: Submit, leave or die
    • Actually, it was separation, not seperation, the Herzl Zionists had in mind.

      But there do seem to have been others who thought in terms of simply making a Jewish cultural centre in Palestine rather than taking over the whole country as a state.

    • " You didn’t ask a balanced question—you asked it in a way that put the onus on Judaism for the persecution. "

      I was following the structure of seafoid's question. And since the story that I keep hearing is that everyone, everywhere, has always hated the Jews, it seems fairly reasonable to suspect that there is something about Judaism that arouses this universal hatred. People don't all collectively decide to hate a particular group just on a passing whim.

    • 'This is called "blaming the victim". "

      No it isn't. It's asking a reasonable question.

      "... what is it about blacks that led to whites hating them? Or what is it about the Roma, or homosexuals, or whatever. For that matter, what is it about Muslims that makes Islamophobes hate them so much? Why do Israelis often seem to hate Palestinians?"

      All reasonable questions.

      "There are answers, but the answers generally lie more in the pathology of the persecutor and not in the traits of the victim."

      And how can we know this if we don't ask the questions? Asking the questions (without preconceived ideas of what the answers are) and finding the answers could lead to useful ideas about how to alleviate the persecution.

      (Incidentally, if the persecutor does not have any opposition to the traits - or what he imagines are the traits - of the victim, why would he pick on that particular victim?)

      "it’s generally more a question of the larger society learning to tolerate and then completely accept the Other."

      It's generally the Other demonstrating to the larger society that it isn't so different and will support the larger society. If the Other continually cocks a snook at the larger society, it will not be tolerated.

    • "It developed out of something called European antiSemitism."

      What is it about Judaism that led to European anti-Semitism?

      "And there in fact was no answer to European antiSemitism other than emigration"

      Integration? Learning how to get on with the neighbours and become part of society? British and Australian Jews seem to have figured that out fairly well.

    • Astonishing! I agree (partially) with mondonut, Mooser, and yonah.

      A single state is the only possible resolution that comes within hailing distance of justice and morality in general.

      But that will not be just without great changes in the local laws and society.

      And making those changes will not be easy. The parliament can change the laws, but changing society will be a lot harder. (Especially since the area has so many religious loonies who do not recognize the humanity of anyone who is not a member of their own subsect.) A conscious, determined, effort at reconciliation will be necessary, and only the most naive could imagine it will be smooth and painless. (Dear me! Trouble in what is now a lotus-eater's paradise.)

      Right now the Israeli government seems dead set against the idea, and I suspect that a lot of the citizens are equally reluctant to give up their Jewish state, so minds will have to be changed. Plenty of Palestinian minds will have to be changed as well.

      It will take a long time time for the Republic of South Levant to become the Serene and Popular Republic of South Levant, and for the two "peoples" to become one.

      So, mondonut, if you live there, start the process. If you don't, who will?

  • Terror in Gaza: 57 seconds after 'warning,' Israel destroys a house
    • "The Jewish People’s right to national self determination in a state of their own"

      We have repeatedly argued that there is no such right. Either present an argument to support your claim, or stop claiming it. It is simply dishonest to claim it without facing up to the arguments.

      "Jews collectively constitute a national group"

      So Australian Jews are not real Australians, but belong to some other nation? Better throw all the Jewish MPs out of Federal Parliament, then. Federal law says that federal MPs can only have Australian nationality, and no other.

      "and trace their roots to this particular piece of real estate."

      The Welsh can trace their "roots" to Central Europe. That does not give them any rights to Slovakia.

      According to the standard theory, all human beings originate from somewhere in Africa, and yet Africans complained about the British claiming Kenya.

    • "Jitladda Tap-arsa, 20, a female Thai national, ... – Bi Shude, 46, a Chinese national,"

      Good thing they were killed. They might have started having children who wanted to be citizens of the country they were born in.

    • "” Have not the Jews suffered enough all of these years to have a homeland?”…Wolf

      So the principle is "if you suffer enough, you deserve a homeland". How is that supposed to work? What is the connection between suffering and deserving a homeland? Is it some sort of compensation?

      How much do you have to suffer?

      And does it have to be a specific kind of suffering, or does any type of suffering (toothache, failure to get tenure, bombing raids) count? After more than twenty years of marriage to me, does my wife deserve a homeland? And with the piped music in supermarkets, I must surely deserve two.

      Is suffering the only way you can deserve a homeland? If so, people who haven't suffered don't deserve one. But suppose they've already got one. (Found it lying around somewhere, and no one else claimed it.) should it be taken away from them, and given to someone who has suffered?

      And, most importantly, does "deserve a homeland" imply an exclusive homeland, rather than sharing it with other people?

  • Relentless bombing on Gaza continues: Israel kills media worker, 9 people watching World Cup on beach
    • "That is sad, Walid, but what is sadder is what Israel is doing to Judaism."

      What! A boy first lost his parents, and then was killed himself. That is a far greater loss than the end of Judaism would be. You may not agree with me that the world would be a better place without Judaism, but do you really think that bunch of odd beliefs, old stories, and silly rituals is more important than a boy's life?

    • Zionism preceded Nazism.

  • Terrifying tweets of pre-Army Israeli teens
  • Video: Diane Sawyer misrepresents photo of Gazans in aftermath of Israeli bombing as Israeli victims of Palestinian missiles (Updated)
    • Explosive.

      (iPad "corrections" again.)

    • "Even the Arab world has not gotten too excited about Israel’s offensive

      i’m not sure the times of israel is the best source of the sentiments of ‘the arab world.’"

      Though I wouldn't be too surprised if the sentiments were a sort of world-weary "Here we go again."

    • " The Israel Air Force said the deaths were not intentional. ”

      Well, yes, we did plaster the house with enough exploitive to reduce it to rubble, but that was all we were going to do. We certainly didn't intend to kill anyone. That was completely unforeseen. Who would have thought that a bombing raid could kill anyone?

  • White House says US can't stop 'tsunami' of boycott and isolation if Israel won't end 'occupations'
    • " mistaken the Middle East for Finland,"

      What is this supposed to mean? Do they think of Finland as continually peaceful and inoffensive? If so, they know nothing of Finnish nationalism, the civil war, the Winter War, the Continuation War, the Lapland War, and the territorial claims of Finnish irredentists.

    • New Zealand's got enemies?

    • “The fact remains, only a negotiated solution – two states for two peoples – can give Israelis and Palestinians the futures they need and deserve”

      Better to stop thinking in terms of "peoples" and simply live as people.

  • 'Operation Protective Edge' begins: Gaza rocked by Israeli airstrikes as Palestinian militants shoot at Jerusalem
    • And on channel ten's magazine programme, a brief mention of the Israeli assault on Gaza was given the written caption "Act of Agression".

      Can't give you a screen shot, but here's the website.

      link to tenplay.com.au

    • But I was a bit puzzled by the line "and allow for Palestinian sovereignty, security and dignity?"

      Did he mean "allow" (= permit) or "allow for" (= take into consideration, make special arrangements to deal with) ? I have noticed that some semi-literates* seem to confuse the two concepts.

      The Israelis certainly make special arrangements to deal with Palestinian sovereignty, security and dignity. They do their best to crush such things. They do not permit them.

      (*And I have no reason to doubt that US Government officials are anything but.)

    • I like the line "hinting that the current Israeli government is not committed to peace."

      Gee, ya think?

    • "So sad that the folks he was really singing about are being bombed…again. Those indigenous and pesky folks."

      That's the old indigenous folks, of course. Not the nice modern ones.

  • 'Jewish' or 'Israeli' -- NYT, BBC, and CNN make different word choice
    • So in eight weeks you will stop posting here because any spare minute you have will be spent trying to catch up on your sleep?

  • How long can Israel depend on Mizrahi docile loyalty? Smadar Lavie asks in new book
    • " only us Ashkenazim have what it takes!"

      That's because you can learn how to be modern indigenes from watching the right movies.

  • Three of six accused Israeli murderers said to confess
    • "There’s no reason to believe that non-Jews are unable to tell the truth. And there’s no reason to believe that Jews are unable to lie."

      You are questioning one of the fundamental truths here, you anti-Semite. Next you'll be saying that Jews sometimes murder other Jews.

  • Child's beating in Jerusalem brings unprecedented coverage of Palestinian experience to U.S.
    • "There is very little ‘engagement’ here except for the ocassional ‘just vs. citizen’ type Chiomsky debate."

      I repeatedly call on Zionists to present counter-arguments to, or at least criticisms of, my arguments. They almost never do. (Yonah sometimes has a go.)

      I keep asking for arguments and explanations for Zionist claims. Seldom do they come.

      By and large, it is the Zionists who refuse to engage. They toss a slogan at us, and then, after it has been shown to be drivel, toss it again as though nothing had been said about it. We have no partner for "engagement".

    • People get beaten down, and then have been beaten down. The violence against the people is bad enough without adding an assault on irregular verbs.

  • Video: Jewish mob chanting 'Death to Arabs!' stops cars in Jerusalem to check drivers' ethnicity
    • "A word of advice: spend the energy you spend bashing Israel trying to improve Arab civil societies so that they put aside their religious and ethnic difference, and form sustainable democracies"

      A word of advice: spend the energy you spend defending Israel trying to improve Israeli civil society so that Israelis put aside their religious and ethnic differences, and form a sustainable democracy with equal rights for all.

      I would love to see improvement in Arab civil society, but how will that bring justice for the Palestinians?

      " It is the nature of human beings of different ethnicities to fight, unfortunately."

      Only if they are told that they are of different "ethnicities", that this is important, and that some other "ethnicity" is out to get them. Otherwise they can put aside their differences, forget about their "ethnicities", and live together.

  • Chomsky and BDS
    • I desperately hope not. I don't give a hoot about Chomsky, and I don't care whether Hostage is right or wrong about him.

      I just don't want Hostage to leave us.

      His awe-inspiring, supernatural ability to track down and present detailed analyses of the relevant law, treaties, and history, is too valuable to lose.

    • "moral right does not trump actual laws and treaties, it does not trump Israel’s national rights"

      And there you show that you do not understand morality. Morality always trumps law. Actual laws and treaties are imperfect attempts to codify morality, to ensure that even those of shaky morality do the right thing. But Zionists try to use laws to avoid doing the right thing.

      "it does not provide the Palestinians with the right to eliminate the state of Israel by making the Jewish people a minority."

      But nor is there a right for Jews to be a majority. If ROR leads to that, then no wrong has been done.

    • "The RoR as espoused by the Palestinians is not International Law,"

      It is, but, more importantly, it is a moral right. However, I do not expect you to recognize the importance of this. Zionist like to argue law, but they have absolutely no moral sense or understanding at all.

  • Largest British union refuses to offer support for peace talks
    • "It is the right of British workers to refuse to be associated with and/or touch goods illegally produced in illegally settled occupied territories supposedly under Israeli protection on behalf of the people of Palestine."

      And if the union says "our workers won't transport or in any way deal with those goods", then the goods will be effectively blocked from the British market.

    • I haven't kept up with union affairs in Britain, but the old TGWU was a power in the land. British governments, Tory as well as Labour, took it very seriously.

  • Family of Tarek Abu Khdeir calls for his immediate release after brutal beating and arbitrary arrest
    • As I have said before, when I registered my son at the British Embassy to establish British citizenship for him, I was warned (by the British Embassy) that service in any armed forces other than US armed forces could jeopardise his (natural born) US citizenship.

  • 'Survival and well-being of the Jewish state' is a national security interest of U.S., Indyk says
    • @Pat

      Why two states? What is wrong with one state with equal rights for all. Then they can start thinking of themselves as one people.

    • "the long history of conquest, re-conquest and occupation of the land by outside groups"

      Much of it pretty catastrophic.

    • "That someone wants to deny Jews the rights afforded to all other people is much more frightening."

      I think most commenters on MW want Jews to have equal rights to all other people, but not privileges which deny the rights of others. That is why we want Palestinians to have the same rights in all Palestine as Jews have in Australia.

    • What is the point of supporting "the most stable state in the region" if that state is the most hated state in the region, and has only the flimsiest of diplomatic relations with its neighbours? Instead of giving the US greater influence in the area, it reduces that influence.

  • Autopsy report shows Mohammed Abu Khdeir was burned to death; reports spread of other possible abductions
    • Australia's new view comes from pop-eyed traitor Julie Bishop and her boss Tony Abbot.

      The Very Wonderful Julia Gillard (and her Israeli agent partner) replaced and then was replaced by That Nice Mr Rudd. But Labor still lost the election last year.

  • Please, pray for Palestine
    • You want the same sort of thing to be done in Florida? Whatever for?

    • What is the point of this "balance" you want?

      Israel's crimes are not mitigated in the least by the crimes of the Ukrainian junta. Nor is our condemnation of them any less justified if we neglect to mention the killing fields of Cambodia. So why are you so concerned about us "singling out" Israel?

  • 'Forward' normalizes idea that some folks 'hate Israel'
    • 'his famous essay “Shooting an Elephant.”'

      Getting a bit OT, but it always annoys me that that one is continually reprinted in American anthologies. It seems to be there for a "lets have a laugh at the British Imperialists" purpose, and included by people who haven't got the guts to expose Americans to his socialist essays.

      Even more annoying, though, is that the same anthologies also include Thomas' Child's Christmas in Wales, and add a footnote that by "catapult" he means a model of a Roman catapult. Anyone who knows British schoolboy English know that a catapult is the thing sticking out of Bart Simpson's back pocket.

    • Not fair! You've actually read some Orwell. You are not supposed to base your ideas on what the author actually said when the rest of us just make guesses based on something we half heard years ago. It casts doubts on our entitlement to have opinions on subject about which we know nothing.

  • After repeated calls for vengeance, Netanyahu urges Israelis to be 'cool-headed' and seek 'justice'
  • Pro-Israel Muslim-basher Adam Milstein at center of storm over funding of California student elections
  • Liberal Zionists' denial of Israeli racism heightens danger to 'everyone living in this land' -- Blumenthal
  • The Aftermath: Home demolitions and dead Palestinian teen follow Netanyahu call for revenge
  • The rationality of Israel's War
    • Correction: The Lord Chancellor is not, nowadays, necessarily a lord, and, if he is not a lord, sits in the Commons.

    • The Lord Chancellor refused to answer. It is a job title, not a title of nobility, so it incorrect to refer to him as "Lord Chancellor". (Though that would be a correct term of address.). The Lord Chancellor is not, nowadays, a lord, and sits in the Commons. He used to head the House of Lords.

      link to m.youtube.com

      However, George Osborne is not the Lord Chancellor. He is the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Naturally, this makes him the Second Lord of the Treasury, but he is not a lord, either, and is addressed as "Chancellor". He is heir to a baronetcy, which will make him gentry, but not nobility.

      When he leaves the House of Commons he will very probably be granted a life peerage and enter the House of Lords. Then he will be a lord.

  • Chomsky supports portions of BDS agenda, but faults others, citing realism and int'l consensus
    • "They will lose their sovereignty"

      If Jews and Palestinians have equal rights in the land, then the Jews will have as much sovereignty as the Palestinians, just as Jews in Australia have as much sovereignty as the rest of us. How is that a loss or an injustice?

      "and be exposed to a hostile population."

      The Palestinians will also be faced with the residual hostility from some of the Jews. A deliberate effort at reconciliation between the two groups will be necessary for them to become a single group with equal rights for all.

      But that is not an injustice to anyone.

    • Why is it unreasonable and immoral for Palestinians to ask for equal rights in all Palestine? Israeli Jews will not lose any rights. They may lose some privileges, but the inequity in those privileges shows that such immoral privileges should be lost anyway.

  • The world's sympathy cannot be limited to Israeli victims
    • "Arabs have “clans” or “tribes” whereas Jews have “families.”"

      That's one of the differences between old indigenes and modern indigenes.

  • Photo Essay: Israeli soliders destroy Qawasmeh and Aisha family homes in retribution attack
    • " Israel is counting on taking the fight to Jordan "

      And I bet a lot of Jordanians are wondering how they would get the Israelis to go away afterwards.

    • It's the Kiwis who talk funny, not us.
      But Robert Muldoon's famous remark is unbeatable.
      link to en.m.wikipedia.org

    • Not bad going, Penfold, for a country that only exists so that we can make fun of you. Puts you one up on Canada, which seems just as bad as its big neighbour.

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