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  • Three settlers stabbed to death and three Palestinians shot dead in turmoil over security measures at al-Aqsa mosque compound (Updated)
    • MHughes, of course we should be wary of Putin. He is the elected leader (= psychopath) of a very large and powerful nation. But we should not succumb the hysteria that is being peddled by the psychopaths of the USA or of such tin-pot countries as Estonia.

    • Even if the lectures are about W. D. Ross?

  • The Spirit of '68 Lives On: Zionism as racism, and the network of lies
    • "the Hebrew Bible. This book is the foundation of western civilization,"

      I expect this sort of tripe from ignorant American Fundamentalists, not from someone who should have had a sound Soviet education.

      The Hebrew Bible is influential, but far from being the foundation.
      The foundation is a collection of sources.

      First, the intellectual heritage of the Graeco-Roman civilization. This included philosophy, literature, science, technology, political systems, and law. Western ethics and western ideas of freedom and equality derive, in large part,initially from Stoic philosophy, which was a major influence on Christian ethical thinking.
      This heritage is why European schools traditionally taught Latin and Greek, not Hebrew.

      Second, the indigenous intellectual heritage of the various non-Roman groups. This included, again, literature and law. The British Common Law system, and the British Parliament, have their roots in the Anglo Saxons.

      Third, the philosophy, science, and technology learned from the Islamic world and China. Many of our mathematical and astronomical terms are Arabic. As far as I know, a portrait of Ibn Sina still hangs in a Faculty of Medicine in the University of Paris. Paper, printing, gunpowder, and the magnetic compass came from China.

      Fourth, stuff we made up ourselves.

      Fifth, in religion, the biggest single influence is the Greek New Testament. The Hebrew Bible is, for Christians, a footnote and prequel to this.

  • Haymarket Books' plan to buy Chicago mansion is latest battleground over Zionism/anti-Zionism
    • The Windy City is mighty pretty, but they ain't got what we got, no sirree.

      Still, let us hope that the civic virtue that used to provide fountains to squirt you will also extend to allowing the sale to go through.

  • Schumer and Macron equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism so as to target BDS
    • Israel has stunned the Americans and is now driving both cars. The American car is much bigger.

      "When Zionism began in the 19th century it was meant ... to help redefine Judaism as a national movement, not just a religion. Nothing wrong with either of those goals! "

      Sir Edwin Montagu, Sir Isaac Isaacs, and many others disagree. They point out that such a redefinition effectively carries the message that British Jews are not really part of the British nation, Australian Jews are not really Australians, and so forth.

      And their fears have been proven justified. Many American, British, etc. Jews have accepted the message and make it clear that their chief loyalty is to Israel. They also complain that some anti-Semites have accepted the message and claim that Jews are not loyal to their countries of birth and citizenship.

      "will loose their citizenship. "

      Am I the only person left alive who knows how to spell "lose"?

  • Bill making it a federal crime to support BDS sends shockwaves through progressive community
    • And once again Jewish plumbing raises its ugly head.

    • "Imagine a commenter writing that Islam is “silly and repugnant”. Or Christianity, or any other faith. "

      Actually, Yoni told us what his ancestors thought about Judaism. He didn't say Judaism was silly and repugnant.

      But just to spare you the strain on your imagination, I will say that I think that Christianity is very silly and rather repugnant, and that Islam is somewhat less silly (but still silly) and rather more repugnant.

    • "Are any of them falsely claiming goods made in and/or of resources illegally exploited from Occupied Territories ???"

      Perhaps not that, but I suspect Liechtenstein is up to something dodgy as part of their war against Prussia.

  • 'Irreplaceable bedrock' of U.S. backing for Israel is threatened by -- intermarriage
  • In move to recognize Palestine, South Australia has overwhelming majority of Aussies behind it
    • And the craven, Zionist-arse-licking, slugs who pollute the benches in Federal Parliament will carefully ignore it.

    • "In an Australian first, women were admitted to degree courses at universities in 1882."

      Universities? There was only one university in South Australia in 1882. It was the University of Adelaide, founded in 1874.

      (Shortly afterwards, I got my first degree from that University.)

  • 'We need to cut their heads off,' Bush said of anti-western demonstrators in Syria in '06 -- Tzipi Livni
    • Another feat of translation. When I first went to Sweden, I lived in Uddevalla, and, once a week, went to the island of Orust to teach classes in Ellös. (Where the open-air dance floor is right next to the fish-drying racks. Ah, romantic Scandinavia!)

      I would spend the night in a small hotel, and then go back to Uddevalla.

      One time a German family arrived at the hotel. (By mistake, surely!) Unusually, the staff of the hotel spoke neither English nor German. The German family spoke neither Swedish nor English. They could, however, understand a bit of English. I was working so hard at stuffing my head with Swedish that I had lost the ability to speak German. I could still understand it, though. So the Germans spoke to me in German. I translated to my primitive Swedish. The Swedes replied in Swedish. I translated to English.

      Fortunately the content was very simple stuff, so it worked. We didn't have to discuss Heidegger.

    • Kaisa,

      Once I was staying in Spain with some Danish friends, and took a tour of the Alhambra with a Danish tour company. On the tour were an Icelandic couple, who had joined the tour in the belief that, thanks to their schooling, they would be able to understand the Danish tour guide.

      I had to translate the guide's explanations into English for them. They understood English perfectly well.

    • Kaisa, if you speak it, it isn't Danish. Danish is belched, croaked, gargled, and groaned. Not spoken.

    • "I have been so proud to mostly remember it, "

      Well deserved pride.

      "but can’t be perfect can I.. ??"

      Why not? Somebody should be, and I'm too old for it.

    • I always win anyway, Kaisa, even though I can't answer the sports questions. The only person in my circles who could, on rare occasions, beat me was my brother, and he's dead now.

    • "Well, whaddaya know: Bont Eastlake holds an opinion on how OTHER people should react to something.,

      But, eljay, Bont has a special insight into these matters, an insight that is denied us mere random white guys. (And I think I'm more random than you are.)

    • Those reactions are human behaviour. All sane adult humans are members of the moral community, and as such have the right to have and express an opinion on the morality of the behaviour of any other members. Eljay has that right in regard of the behaviour of Muslims, even if he isn't one,and you have the right to disapprove of his opinion, even if you aren't a random white guy from Canada.

      And Muslims also have the right to express their opinions of his, my, and your behaviour.

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    • "Who made you the authority in determining the correct response to verbal abuse versus offensive caricatures."

      Eljay isn't claiming to be an authority. But as a member of the moral community, and one who has given the matter a fair amount of thought, he is entitled both to hold and express a view on the issue. As are you.

    • "Freedom of speech applies to speeches against the government that represent you. Not against anyone and anything you feel like having an opinion on. "

      Where do you get this nonsense from? Freedom of speech is linked to freedom of thought, and without that we can make no improvements in human life. Mill argues this in "On Liberty". Read it, and learn.

    • "(P.s. I checked: Cartoons have been published in Finland since 1880's)"

      Thanks, Kaisa. That snippet of information will be stuck in my mind for the rest of my life. It will get in the way of important ideas, and yet serve no useful purpose that I can foresee. It certainly won't help me to pick up girls.

  • Ontario caves to Israel on falsely-labeled wines-- for now, anyway
    • "As for the Canadian government. Don’t expect honesty. Don’t even expect them to be honorable in any way."

      It's a government. Why would I expect anything like that?

  • 'You are thieves of history!' Hotovely tells Palestinians, waving books at them
    • Mooser, when a single girl produces a baby, she's got to come up with some sort of excuse.

    • "They’re no match for palestinian civilians."

      Perhaps not the grown ups, but they do perform pretty well against small children, and even take their bikes.

    • Good grief! I was using my i-Pad, with my cat interfering, and not only hit comma instead of space, but also e where I wanted a.

      Years of carefully nurtured reputation gone in a single mis-stroke!

    • I noticed,that on the WHR site. It struck me as e poor business model. Surely it would be more economical for the tourists to shoot real Palestinians.

    • I suspect that, with their recent, and clearly successful, on-the-job training, the Syrian Army and Hezbollah would be particularly tough opponents.

    • "Yahweh also told the Hebrews, including the tribe of Judah (from whom the “Jews” are descended), that he would remove them from the land if they broke
      the covenant by rebelling against his commandments, which is precisely what occurs in the Bible."

      Mooser pointed this out years ago.

  • Israeli paper investigates 50-year-ago attack on 'USS Liberty,' while US papers leave it in the letters column
    • " why the US government has allowed War Crimes to be committed by and against the United States with impunity and without remorse."

      Some of us think we know why, and I, for one, suspect that " the question of the conduct of both the Israelis and Americans during the attack" will continue to be swept under the rug for the same reasons.

      But I wish you success in your efforts to get the matter resolved.

    • "If you will take that attitude when the victims are your own people how much more will you do so when they are others for whom you do not specially care?"

      If you are a leader, and particularly an elected one, you are likely to be a psychopath who does not really care for anyone.

      But your point can be retained by phrasing it as "others for whom you do not have a special duty of care".

    • And the 5000 or so South Korean soldiers, 500 Australians, and 37 Kiwis. But I don't expect Americans to know about them.

    • @ echinococcus


    • @Bont

      Piffle again.

    • Piffle. What is this malicious agenda?

    • Very OT, but I know this will interest you, Mooser.

    • C'mon, Mooser. Those prisoners were just Arabs. Who's going to care?

    • "we’re not endorsing the conspiratorial view"

      Why not? Is it false?

  • At NY premiere, David Grossman will join Netanyahu minister who boycotts Darwish
    • In the 1950s, films connected with WW2 were aimed at an audience who had first hand experience of that war.

    • "I know that when my grandparents fled Eastern Europe that was a smart move."

      A smart move for lots of Eastern Europeans, Gentiles as well as Jews. But that was your grandparents, not you.

      "and I know the incredible abyss created by the Shoah"

      Even though it was over well before you were born.

      "and the need to respond to that abyss. Zionism is one response."

      Even though Zionism long preceded the Shoah. But I suppose you mean that the Shoah pushed some people towards Zionism. Well, maybe that was a response, but it was an evil response.

  • NBC plays up gruesome crashes in Tour de France-- then blames the riders
  • Join Roger Waters on Facebook Live as he discusses his support for BDS
    • Kay, what is this Russian agenda?

      So far, the the "pariah nation" has been accused of releasing e-mails that showed how the Clinton gang corrupted the US political system. What is next on the list of horrors to be inflicted on the poor American people?

      Geography lessons?
      Enforcing the correct use of commas?

      Or maybe [pause for dramatic effect]

      A national health service!

      [Heavy descending chords]

      Please tell us what those sneaky Russians are actually going to do.

  • London's Palestine Expo defies smear campaign attracting more than 15,000
  • A Declaration for Palestine
    • I like it. But how many people in America (Vermont excepted) are sufficiently familiar with the US Declaration of Independence to recognize the parallels?

  • Israel slams UNESCO World Heritage decision on Hebron as Palestinians celebrate 12-3 vote in favor
    • " living and breathing people who bleed when pricked, "

      I saw you sneak that in. And do Palestinians laugh when they are tickled?

      And if they are wronged?

  • With no electricity in Gaza to run sewage plant, Israel bans swimming as waste spews onto beaches
  • US rabbis touring occupation are afraid to be identified lest their congregations find out
  • Clinton lost because PA, WI, and MI have high casualty rates and saw her as pro-war, study says
    • " Western leaders sternly admonish that Stalin’s directives must be respected, despite the strong opposition of Ossetians and Abkhazians"

      Good to know that Stalinism is still upheld in the West, even if has been rejected in Russia.

    • That's the one. America's bestest ever ally. The ally that doesn't actually do anything to help the US in war or peace, and yet the only one the US doesn't crap all over. The one for whom the US has fought wars even more destructive of civilization than your misuse of commas.

      And when you talk of the dark side of Russia, how about spelling out how many wars Russia has foisted on the world during the last thirty years? How many governments has Russia tried to overthrow? How many military bases does Russia have scattered about the world?

      Set up a comparison table between the evils committed by Russia, and the evils committed by the USA, and see who comes out top.

    • "Now, can we please finally hear what, exactly and demonstrably, is wrong with Russia?"

      1. Winter in Russia is damned cold.
      2. The people talk funny.
      3. They write with marks that look like letters but aren't real letters.
      4. They are more cheerful than they ought to be.
      5. The winters are absolutely brutal.

    • "Trump is taking this country backwards, and into the arms of Russia."

      Backing into Russian arms sounds comforting. The Russian leaders are acting like grown ups, even if the general populace are lousy drivers.

      "The G20 meeting fiasco, sent a strong signal to the world, that Trump does not want to join the international community, but become isolated, and with no strong allies to support us."

      Get a screwdriver and pry the comma key out of your keyboard. You will do less damage without it.

      I suspect the international community will be relieved to be without the USA rampaging around in it.

      As for allies, you'll always have Israel.

  • The Battle for Palestine on US Campuses: a review of 'We Will Not Be Silenced: The Academic Repression of Israel’s Critics'
  • Anti-Semitism accusations against 'Dyke March' prove pro-Israel lobby will torch LGBT rights for marginalized people
    • "Fancy that! Looks like we’ve been speaking Finnish all along, here in the States, too."

      It obviously wasn't English.

    • Siberian, I have to say that I am pleased that the force of my arguments has lead Bont to realise that morality is more important than legality. I hope that he will now see the value of legality in support of morality.

      Also that he will learn the difference between singular and plural.

    • Talkback, I'm guessing he will say that the Palestinians were not a nation, and so had no right to a national home.

      And he'll finagle the concept of "nation" to make sure that Jews are one and Palestinians, Raelians, and stamp collectors aren't.

    • Legality should never be a criterion for our protests against oppression, but if we can show that an immoral act or situation is also illegal, it greatly strengthens the force of the protest.

    • A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine!

    • No group - whether it calls itself a "nation" or not - has a right to a "national home".

  • US Jews must oppose Palestinian boycott, but boycott Israel and bring it to its knees over prayer at western wall
    • But that's the way it is. What they think is chic, unique and quite adorable, we think is odd and "Sodom and Gomorrah"-ble! But the fact is everything today is thoroughly modern.

    • Exactly, Mooser. The world has gone mad today, and good's bad today, and black's white today, and it's a hard day's night today.

  • In war against 'cell phones,' Israeli launches social media app
    • “our cell phones are the number one weapon against us.”

      And Israel claims to have invented cell phones!

  • Amazon pulls blank 'History of Palestinian People' -- which aims to dehumanize in order to subjugate
    • Ungrammatical as well as untrue.
      It should be
      "If the Palestinians had been interested in a compromise of any sort, they would have sought negotiations."

      Do not put "would have" in the "if" clause. Staunch Zionist William Safire would have told you that, if he were still alive.

    • "And the antisemitic hate fest continues."

      So we don't disagree with you because we have rational ground for thinking you are wrong. We disagree because we are anti-Semites full of hate.

      “Is all of the Bible a fable or is some of it true?”

      Regardless of how much of it is true or false, it is irrelevant.

    • ISIS shows no animosity towards Israel at all. Not surprising, seeing that the Israeli Air Force acts on behalf of ISIS.

    • Tedious though it is to respond to Emet, I do so for the casual MW reader who might, in a moment of inattention, think that Emet could almost have a worthwhile point.

    • "Roha, the point is that this land is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people and Jews have a right to live in these lands"

      You will not be able to convince anyone with more than twelve functioning brain cells simply by saying this. You need to provide definitions and arguments.

      By "homeland" you can't mean that all Jews have their homes there. Many of the world's Jews are born, educated, marry, live, and die in homes in other countries.

      You seem to mean "the place where the biological ancestors of modern Jews lived a few thousand years ago" and "the place where Judaism originated".

      Even if we accept both of those claims, how do you then get to the idea that foreign Jews have a right to live there? (I do not dispute the right of Jews born in the territory.) What is your chain of reasoning?

      On the face of it, it seems absurd. Two or three thousand years ago my ancestors in central and Northern Europe were carrying out religious rites* in sacred groves. That would make those bits of Europe my "homeland". Does this give me a right to go to those areas, throw out the people and set up home there? And does the same apply to everyone everywhere? If so, we will have nothing but chaos.

      And Palestine is the place that Christianity originated, so do all the world's Christians have a right to live there?

      So if you want to convince us that European and American Jews have a moral right to live in Palestine, explain how you derive that right.

      (*We do not know what these rites were, but they were probably pretty disgusting.)

    • "a home, clean clothes, food, water, school, friends without soldiers, guns and fear of the house demolitions as part of their everyday life."

      See, that's why peace is impossible. The Palestinians are going to have to make some real concessions and give up those absurd demands.

    • So we have a tricky problem, Emet. Who should have Palestine?

      On the one hand we have the Aramaic speakers, whose claim to Palestine is based on being the "people" whose language was spoken in Palestine about 2000 years ago.

      On the other we have the Italians, whose claim is that of heirs to the Romans. The Romans actually ruled the place for a long time, and planned and built the basics of what is now known as the Old City of Jerusalem.

      What we should do is ask the King of Spain, who still uses the title "King of Jerusalem", to form a committee with the other potential claimants to that title, and then make the decision.

      Do you agree?

    • "Jews, however, ruled Jerusalem for only about 77 years prior to their current illegal occupation."

      Whereas the Romans ruled the city for about 500 years, and the Byzantines for another 200 or so. For most of that time it was called Aelia Capitolina, and was first pagan and then Christian.

    • You keep tossing out these scraps of ancient history, but you never say why they are important.

      As eljay keeps pointing out, none of this stuff gives Zionists any rights to their Jewish-supremacist state or the associated injustice and immorality.

    • Since you think that language defines a "people", then it would seem that the Muslim and Christian Aramaic speakers of Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran constitute a " people". Perhaps it is this "people" who have the right to form a state in Palestine, the territory of their Aramaic-speaking ancestors.

    • Mostly they would have spoken Aramaic (now used mostly by Christians and Muslims in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran) and, for the poncey types, Koine Greek.

      (In the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, built on the temple mount where the Dome of the Rock now stands, probably Latin and even posher forms of Greek would have been used.)

      I know you want to use this linguistic question to try to deny that the Palestinians are a "people", but why does it matter? The Zionists took over their land and denied them their rights. Why does "peoplehood" change the immorality of Zionism?

    • Amazon still sells From Time Immemorial.

  • Trump aides end all doubt about whose side they'll be on in the next great peace process
  • Al-Quds Day protest and iftar in New York shows vigorous opposition to Zionism
    • Sorry to have taken so long to respond. Most of my time has been taken up by the process of moving house. (Where did all that stuff come from?)

      I think that the idea of firm borders has been around for long enough for people to get used to it.

      On your principles Northern Mexicans would have a right to enter the US and go to Albuquerque, but not to go to Detroit (though I doubt any would want to), whereas Southern Mexicans, whose ancestors never travelled that far North, would not. (Unless you think that the Southern border of Mexico has more legitimacy than the Northern border, and thus that people include by that border all have the same rights.) But this seems to me to be a reductio ad absurdum of your position.

      And yes, there are problems, and often injustices connected with changing borders. That sort of thing happens. Border changes lead to changes in people's lives and positions. In 1871 Alsatians stopped being French and became Germans. Instead of "ouah ouah" they had to say "wau wau". And just when they had got used to that, in 1919 they had to change back. More recently, respectable Soviet citizens living in their own country woke up one morning and found they were a Russian minority in a tinpot republic of Estonia.

      I think the only way we can avoid these problems is either to remove all borders or to ensure that borders never change. And neither of these is a practical option at this stage of human history.

      But it seems to me that a border change is, usually, nowhere near as bad as being thrown out of your home and your land.

    • You have made a case for the moral right of at least some (but by no means all) undocumented immigrants to enter those parts of the US * that were part of the traditional territories of their ancestors. I am not sure that this extends to a right to live in those parts, and and even less sure that it gives a right to live in any other part of the US.

      But I see a difference between being prevented from entering part of the traditional territory by the imposition of a new border, and being driven out of home and forced to the other side of the border. The latter is what happened to many Palestinians.

      (*The context of the original story suggests that it is only immigrants to the U SA who are being referred to.)

    • Yes, there are differences. The Zionists also wanted to drive out the locals and set up a Zionist state. Most undocumented immigrants do not have similar desires.

      Nonetheless they do want to live in a country where they have no obvious moral right to live.

    • 'Speakers repeatedly identified the Palestinian cause with the cause of undocumented immigrants, chanting “From Palestine to Mexico: Border walls have got to go!”'

      But they are opposite causes! The Palestinians want to live freely in their own country. Undocumented immigrants want to live freely in someone else's country, as the Zionists did.

  • Israeli musicians to Thom Yorke: Canceling Radiohead show will disrupt Israel's 'business as usual' facade
    • " that they hate almost everyone,"

      Almost? Wimps!

    • "Normalization is the way to go."

      You keep saying that, but Israel rejects normalization. Can you suggest any way the Palestinians could get the Israelis to agree?

  • 34 House Dems condemn Israeli charges against Issa Amro -- follower of civil rights movement and Gandhi
  • Netanyahu says Israel's 'hand is outstretched to peace' -- but he makes a fist
  • Israeli victory in '67 was manufactured in western Europe, not by 'Jewish geniuses' -- Guy Laron at Wilson Center
    • Although Egyptian planes could not reach Israeli bases, they would still have been able to attack the Israeli army as it pushed down through Sinai. Obviously the Israeli commanders wanted to prevent this.

      Nor is it correct to say that Jordan occupied the West Bank. Jordan administered the West Bank by agreement with the Palestinians, not by military dominance over them.

    • "Israel had to go it alone in the world. The Israel lobby must become a force in U.S. life in order to insure Israel’s survival."

      Contradiction here, surely. Getting the support of the USA is the opposite of going it alone.

  • Yakov Rabkin's devastating critique of Zionism: it is opposed to Jewish tradition and liberalism

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