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  • Clinton Foundation's 'good friend' Bahrain quashed Arab spring without protest from Sec'y Clinton
  • Let's talk about Russian influence
  • A French, a Palestinian, and a black woman all wade into a pool
    • Test for what?

    • I admit that I am rather too attached to the grossly physical. Unlike those chaps in India, I cannot teleport. My cat can perform the feat with consummate ease, of course, and her diet consists almost totally of the flesh of animals. However, she doesn't eat pie, so that must be the deciding factor.

      (I grew up with cats, so I know their talents. When I told my son that they have invisibility cloaks, can see ghosts, and can teleport, he didn't believe me. He has a healthy, strong, scepticism. But, after three days with our new kitten, he admitted that his agéd father was, for once, telling the truth.)

    • "Krauss, are you saying that you don’t have any limits to your level of comfort with exposure?"

      No, he is saying that an argument that treats the voluntary as analogous with the involuntary is a really bad argument.

    • The Hungry Moths

      Poor hungry white moths
      That eat my love’s clothing,
      Who says very soon
      Ye’ll leave her with nothing,
      Here under the moon
      I make bold to persuade ye,
      Ye may eat all her clothes
      So ye leave me milady,
      Poor
      hungry
      white
      moths.

      Ronald McCuaig (1931)

  • A new milestone: BDS at the Olympics
  • The Palestine-Israel language trap
    • What about half an interest in looking at colons? Is semi-colonoscopy OK?

    • Crotchety, comma-obsessed Australian?

      I'm sure no such person exists.

    • I am indeed humbled. As you noticed, I inadvertently omitted the opening parenthesis in my explanation of the term "superior" man. My inadequate self-cultivation has not developed the virtue of attentiveness sufficiently.

    • "And if you are anti jewish, then why get upset when people call you antisemitic? "

      Usually, when people call you "anti-Semitic", they mean that you are an evil, irrational, bigot. This is rather irritating for the rational opponent of Jewishness.

      "Why not explicitly say, “I am antisemitic and I’m proud to be antisemitic "

      Being rational, as a rational opponent of Jewishness, is an achievement, but surely rationality is one of those minimal achievements, like walking in a straightish line when sober, that justifies only minimum pride.

      And yet, when I see how rare rationality is, I think that perhaps a bit more pride would be acceptable.

    • The Master did not say "The superior man remembers his opening parenthesis as well as his closing one", but he would have approved of the sentiment. He was an editor as well as a philosopher.

    • I'm back in Britain, dealing with estate matters, so I can't write the essay this topic deserves. I will just add some comments to the words of the Master and a blend of the Legge and Moffat translations.

      子路曰:「衛君待子而為政,子將奚先?」
      Zi Lu said, "The ruler of Wei has been waiting for you, in order with you to administer the government. What will you consider the first thing to be done?"

      子曰:「必也正名乎!」
      The Master replied, "What is necessary is to rectify names/a correction of terminology."

      And correct punctuation, of course.

      子路曰:「有是哉,子之迂也!奚其正?」
      "So! indeed!" said Zi Lu. "You are wide of the mark! Why must there be such rectification?"

      子曰:「野哉由也!君子於其所不知,蓋闕如也。
      The Master said, "How uncultivated you are, You! A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve.

      Think before speaking. Check facts are true and arguments are well-formed. The "superior man" (君子) is the exemplary person, the person we should all aspire to be.)

      名不正,則言不順;
      If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things/what is said cannot be followed.

      言不順,則事不成;
      If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. /If what is said cannot be followed, then work cannot be accomplished.

      This applies at many levels. If criticism of Israel is called "anti-Semitism", it will be condemned and rejected regardless of how well founded it may be. If mass murder is called "mowing the grass", it will not receive the condemnation it deserves. Eliminating moral judgement from language is as dangerous as making wrong moral judgments. Clear, careful thought is necessary, and correct use of language is part of that.

      事不成,則禮樂不興;
      When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties/ritual and music will not flourish.

      Ritual and music are not just the standards and the foundation of the social order, they also serve to develop good character and moral behaviour. When they fail, when we no longer have moral standards, we no longer know what is right and wrong.

      禮樂不興,則刑罰不中;
      When proprieties/ritual and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded.

      If we are uncertain about what is right and what is wrong, we must be uncertain about the principles and procedures needed to maintain a just society.

      刑罰不中,則民無所措手足。
      When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot.

      And without those principles and procedures, society will fall into chaos.
      故君子名之必可言也,言之必可行也。
      Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately.

      君子於其言、無所苟而已矣。
      What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect."

      Correct use of language, calling things by the right names, is essential to intellectual clarity. Moral order requires intellectual order, so the superior man maintains his intellectual integrity.

      Analects, 13:3

    • Do you mean that some of those millions of genealogies that prove modern Israeli Jews are direct descendants of first Century Palestinian Jews might be fakes?

      Surely not!

  • Jill Stein defends BDS in CNN town hall
    • OK, hophmi, the article is anti-Semitic.
      So what?
      Tell what claims of fact in the article are untrue. Tell us what arguments are fallacious. Tell us what moral standards are breached.
      Those are the things that matter, not your whines about "anti-Semitism".

  • The politics of Jewish ethnocentrism
    • Mooser, perhaps you should toss the book into the shredder. It sounds as though it is full of anti-Semitism.

      But check with hophmi first. He's the expert, and any minute now he will be answering my questions in order to give us better guidance.

    • Since we are indulging in cod group psychology, I will toss in a little unsubstantiated speculation of my own, based on my own well-substantiated ignorance of Jewishness.

      I have remarked before on the Zionist inability to understand that legality is not the same as morality. My speculation is that this stems from the Jewish concentration on Jewish Law as the guide to behaviour. Jews come to think that the Law is the true embodiment of everything that's excellent. It has no kind of fault or flaw, and they, the Jews, embody the Law. This attitude is then generalized to secular law, so that they believe that anything legal is acceptable.

      Of course, the existence of Jews who do recognise the distinction between the legal and the moral are a fine argument against this speculation. A more likely explanation is that the Zionists have no moral arguments, and so cling to such legal arguments as they can cobble together.

    • "I think that if any comment suggested the self destruction of Islam in the terms used to celebrate Judaism’s failed paradigm, that the commenter would be censored and if not, condemned for islamophobia."

      I'm sure someone would scream "Islamophobia", but I would, again, argue that was not a sufficient reason for banning it.

    • Hophmi, clearly you think this comment should be banned.

      Do you think that no one should be allowed to criticize Judaism, or suggest that it is not a beneficial ideology?

      If not, what is wrong with this particular comment?

      If so, do you take the same position on other religions? (I have criticized Christianity a few times, but I don't recall protests from you.)

      If you do think that we should not be allowed to criticize religions, why do you think that?

  • The breathtaking arrogance of Alan Dershowitz's 'advice' to Black Lives Matter
    • K. Rennet, I hope you are not going to deny the right of paedophiles to self-determination in an island of their own.

  • The last Gaza war worried Scotland's Jews-- for all the wrong reasons
    • Incidentally, is that map supposed to show that Jews dominate Scotland from a headquarters somewhere near Kingussie, or is it just s proposal for a Star of David tartan?

    • "the Jewish people around the world, who have been made to feel they must show their loyalty to it, whatever it does."

      Grown-ups have to decide their feelings and their loyalty for themselves. If they show loyalty to Israel, they bear the moral responsibility for that decision.

  • Beinart calls anti-Zionists 'revolutionaries'
    • "There’s a textbook?! I didn’t know they taught revolution at university. "

      Courses in History, Political Science, and Political Philosophy include revolution and revolutions.

  • Chosen indeed: all 7 letters run by 'NYT' on Mideast article are by Jews
    • "Semitic is spurious"

      I'm not sticking up for Ham, Shem, and the other bloke. (Don't forget that I'm a card-carrying anti-Shemite.) "Afro-Asiatic" just sounds a funny name to me. Seems to cover too much ground. I'd be happy to call them "Tri-consonantal root languages", but probably some of the awkward buggers have stopped using the tri-consonant roots.

    • "Afro-Asiatic" language sounds like a pidgin with Yoruba words and Lao grammar.

    • "Is this fair to non-Jews who may have an opinion?"

      Perfectly fair, when you bear in mind that

      (a) non-Jews should not have an opinion,

      and

      (b) if they wrongly persist in having an opinion, any opinion they have will be totally worthless unless it matches the correct opinion given by Jews.

  • Boycott, from within and without
    • From the TOI article: "She also said it had become almost impossible for speakers like herself to address students on campus in the United States without enduring protests and worse. "

      Does she expect to address a campus audience on a controversial topic without protests? Protests are (or should be) par for the course. If there are no protests, it means that she is a total nobody, and saying nothing worthy of attention. In that case, she might just as well be a university lecturer.

      And worse? If you are not prepared to take a few old tomatoes, you shouldn't be in the public speaking racket.

    • Yep. You're a loony.

      "The Arabs have no rights being there historically."

      So being born there, of ancestors who were born there for many generations, gives no rights?

      How then, do Jews have any rights there? They base their claim on ancestry.

    • "jewish independence"

      What does that mean? Independence from what?

      "sane Israeli"

      [Chuckle]

      Well, supposing such creatures exist, I would hope that sanity brought about morality, and so they would realize the immorality of Israel as it is currently constituted.

  • Palestinian family homeless after Israeli military takes home for military post
    • I suspect actually living through these things might be a teeny bit tougher. I do not want to try it myself.

      I'd rather eat TimTams, stroke my cat, and read nice stories about Katey Koala and Peter Possum. I bet most Palestinian would, too, but they don't always have the choice.

    • Note to the editors.

      I started reading this post by mistake. In future, when Kate offers these lists, could you please add the following to the headline?

      "Warning: Kate's list of Israeli monstrosities. Not for sensitive readers."

    • "Israeli forces expelled a Palestinian family of 10 from their home in the village of Harmala in the southern occupied West Bank Saturday evening, in order to use the house as an Israeli military post."

      Nice to see Netanyahu caring for Palestinians again.

  • Zionists and anti-Zionists march together for two hours in New York
  • White Jews and uppity blacks
    • "He would’ve been happy with Semitic."

      Why? Would it get him a discount at the liquor store?

    • There was a period in the West Indies when Irish slaves were cheaper than African slaves.

    • So far you have given links to three people who all look white to me.

    • Simalcuz: Round eyes, skin in the same colour range as the King of Sweden and the Aga Khan.

      Identity? What's that got to do with. I'm writing about race, not "identity".

    • Incidentally, I notice that, in the picture titled "Emperor Henry VII accepts a scroll of the law from a Roman Jew", the scroll looks as though it is written in Arabic.

    • I grew up with a pretty simple idea of races, based on what they look like. There are white folk, brown folk, black folk, red folk, and yellow folk. Green, blue, purple, and orange folk usually live on other planets. (Though one of the orange folk is running for President in the US.)

      And there are gradations in these, even if we ignore the mixed people. Some yellow folk, for example, are almost brown, while others (my wife, for example) are as pale as Northern European whites, with barely a tinge of yellow. Some whites are very pale, others are close the to whiter shades of brown. And, of course, some browns are almost black, and some blacks are blacker than others.

      Some Arabs are white. Some Arabs are brown. Some are black.

      Some Jews are white. Some Jews (particularly Indian Jews) are brown, Some are black. There are even some who are yellow. I don't know of any red Jews, but I don't discount the possibility.

      Most Ashkenazi Jews look pretty white to me.

    • "Did Salman Rushdie write about this?"

      I hope (faintly) that you are aware that Rushdie is not an Arab.

  • Hundreds of Jews march for 'Black Lives Matter' in New York
    • Inbound, it has to be said that a lot of the chaps who ran and expanded the British Empire were Scots. A lot of the people who colonised the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand were Scots. (Just look at the place names.)

      Now you might want to say that those Scots were not worth their salt, but you cannot deny there were plenty of them.

  • New San Francisco bus ads say: 'Boycott Israel Until Palestinians Have Equal Rights'
    • The world is not confused. The world knows that actions speak louder than words, that the US supports Israel no matter what, and that the State Department condemnations are just fine words for form's sake. No-one expects any butter on the parsnips.

  • Solidifying behind Clinton, foreign policy establishment gins up a cold war with Russia/Iran
  • Sanders-backed candidate in FL says Wasserman Schultz won't 'protect' Israel
  • When the language of genocide offends us more than ghettoizing another people
    • Eljay,

      Of course not lie, but be mistaken.

    • "You said clerics and Imams messed up the religion, but who are you to say that? "

      Someone who is very well equipped to make such judgments.

      If you took the trouble to go to Gamal's profile and read what remains of the archive of his comments, you would see that he has a deep and detailed knowledge of Islamic theology and the history of Islamic thought.

    • Yes, Gamal, it's about time you learned a bit about Islamic culture. I'm sure you've never heard of any of those guys. I hope simalcuz doesn't look through your past comments. Your ignorance has been a constant embarrassment to us all.

      You really should learn a bit of Arabic as well, but I suppose that's too much to ask.

      What sort of name is "Gamal", anyway?

    • You are assuming that God is benevolent and omnipotent. But perhaps he isn't quite as high-powered as he makes out, and didn't pay attention to Miss Hardman's strictures. As a result, he ends up giving vague utterances in shifty foreign tongues. If he wrote much, he'd probably get the commas wrong.

      This is one of the points that Theodore Drange considered in Nonbelief and Evil.

      link to amazon.com

      (See also the brilliant, scintillating and insightful review in Philosophical Inquiry , Vol. XXII, Winter-Spring 2000. Modesty prevents me from naming the reviewer.)

    • "could it be that you are not the center of the universe"

      Anti-Semitic idea, Gamal.

  • Israel calls on citizens to ‘turn in’ boycott activists for deportation
    • Yes, I, too, thought that BDS was totally ineffective, and too trivial for Israelis to notice.

      So I have to agree with you. This is a cunning plot to keep the pestilential rellies away.

  • Israeli soldier shoots Palestinian taxi driver in head by mistake, then Israel seizes his car and entry permit
    • Ehad Othman should have died. Staying alive meant that the Israelis wasted ammunition on him. Those bullets aren't cheap, you know. Add in the wear and tear on the weapon, the cost of medical treatment, and so forth, and you will see that his insistence on living imposed a significant cost on Israel. Confiscating his taxi as compensation was the most moral and justified action in the world.

      Let's hope this is a lesson to Ehad, and he does the right thing the next time he gets shot.

  • Canadian Greens back BDS
    • I don't know about everyone, but I know that I have been waiting for a very long time to get answers to these few basic questions.

      What does "homeland" mean?

      What conditions have to be fulfilled for Land X to be the homeland of Person Y?

      What chain of moral reasoning gives Person Y a right to reside in his homeland?

      What is the basis for these claims of Jews having a "right to nationhood", a "right to self-determination", and a "right to self-determination in their national home"?

      Why do these alleged rights outweigh the rights of the people actually living in the land?

      Why does it matter whether or not the Arabs of Palestine had an Arab Palestinian "identity" before the Zionists arrived?

      Why does it matter whether or not there was a Palestinian state before 1948?

      Will I get answers to these before you get your documentation of Jewish displacement? Find out in the next episode!

    • Fallacy of "pointing to another wrong".

      Whatever happens regarding the rights of the Canadian Indians, it does not diminish the rights of the Palestinians.

    • "And I think tactics like BDS, that make the people and the state of Israel think that they are under assault, and that they have lost allies and friends around the world, is not going to succeed.”

      Perhaps those tactics will not succeed, but what tactics will? (May is, of course, under no obligation to tell us. Pointing out what is not the case does not require one to point out what is the case.) But it would be nice if someone could.

  • Black Lives Matter will defeat the Israel lobby (because the lobby can't debate reality)
    • He followed up with a radical suggestion that it might be a good idea to pay some attention to truth.

    • As I said, it's fashionable. And both the local high school and the police refused to accept my previous self-identification, so I need minority status to get some sympathy on my side in the trial.
      And a bit of support from the ADL would help, too.

    • "Goldberg will be left to make fun of their lack of commas on twitter, or some other trivial matter, "

      Hey! That's not trivial!

    • 'The ADL’s big lie is that they care about other “minorities.” '

      I haven't seen them do much for retired philosophy lecturers, and we're a minority.

  • Dream Defenders statement on the condemnation of Movement for Black Lives platform by some pro-Israel groups
    • How about "attempted genocide", for actions which are performed with genocidal intent, but which don't actually succeed?

    • Seriously, Yonah, you seem to be coming unhinged. I think it is time for you to stop thinking about Jews, Jewishness, and anti-Semitism.

      There are so many things to do that are much more fun, much more worthwhile, much more socially valuable, and much more nourishing for your soul. For example: poring over grammar rules by candlelight, eating TimTams and drinking Chateau d'Cardboard*, ice-skating, re-reading The Great Learning (大學), or stroking a cat whose fur is warm from the sun.

      Try some of that, instead.

      (*Berri Estates Traditional Dry Red, 5l cask, 3 for A$33 when it is on special.)

    • Annie,

      Hurrah for Bollywood!

      (If you've got a dance troupe that outnumbers the Russian Army, why not make the most of it?)

      But I think what Yonah really needs is this:

  • The 'NYT' fails to recognize that anti-Palestinian statements can express bigotry
    • On topic, now.

      Well, of course she writes that. Anti-Semitism is really the only important issue the world has to face, isn't it?

    • Off topic but important news.

      Iran is the first country to ban Pokemon Go

      link to in.pcmag.com

      Anti-Pokemites.

      And ISIS might as well give up now.

      link to thelocal.dk

      They can resist the Iraqi and Syrian armies, Hezbollah and Kurdish militias, Iran and Russia and the USA, but they will not be able to withstand the might of Denmark.

  • Out of 1.8 million Gazans, 250 over age 50 are allowed to travel to Jerusalem to pray
    • Since it is currently a Muslim religious site, this is hardly surprising. We are not allowed to worship Jupiter there, either.

  • Anti-occupation activists stand with Black Lives Matter as Jewish orgs attack movement over Israel criticisms
    • "What Mandate Article says that Arabs coming to Palestine are to be granted Palestinian citizenship?"

      Article 7 says (a) a nationality law shall be enacted, and (b) this law shall make it easy for Jews to get Palestinian nationality/citizenship.

      Nothing in the Mandate says that Arab immigrants shall or shall not be granted Palestinian nationality/citizenship. Aside from making it easy for Jews, there is no proposal for the content of the nationality law.

      (Oops! I suddenly remembered that you think nationality and citizenship are different. I'll go back and put "citizenship" in.)

      But why do you ask? Are you suffering from an attack of Peters?

    • I think that is a good point, inbound.

      Of course, the colonization process in America was immoral, but Zionists have no understanding of morality. They do constantly claim legality for the creation of Israel, as though that were all that is required. If you can show it was illegal, then they will lose that claim.

      Not that Zionists pay any more attention to legality than to morality if it doesn't suit them.

    • "Focused around the dynamic city of Jerusalem"

      Dynamically driving Palestinians out of their homes?

      "Israel’s capital"
      ? Tel Aviv?

      "and home to holy sites for the world’s three major monotheistic religions"

      But there are only two major monotheistic religions. They are Christianity and Islam. Using standard figures, Christianity has about 2,100,000,000 followers (around 33% of humanity) and Islam has something like 1,500,000,000 (21.5%). No other monotheistic religion comes close to those numbers. All the other monotheisms are minor religions.

      The third biggest is Sikhism, with a bit more than 27,000,000 (close to 4%, if you do a bit of imaginative rounding up ) but there are no Sikh holy sites in Jerusalem.

    • Even without the accent?

  • Israeli mayor: No Arabs in our pools because their 'hygiene culture is not like ours'
    • The sheep were stabbed in self defence. Some years ago, we on MW established that sheep are anti-Semitic.

  • Video: Israeli soldier throws 8-year old Palestinian girl's bike into bushes
    • " on Mondoweiss with like-minded Jew haters"

      Anyone who disagrees with you must do so from hatred of Jews, not because they have thought about the issues and come to different conclusions, right? You insist on denying rationality to those who disagree with you.

      "who don’t think the Jews have the right to nationhood and self-determination in their ancestral home."

      What is the basis for these claims of a "right to nationhood", a "right to self-determination", and a "right to self-determination in their national home"? Why do these alleged rights outweigh the rights of the people actually living in the land?

      "Pray tell who has the right to live in historical Palestine, the small unproductive Muslim population of 250,000 in 1800"

      Yes, if anyone has the right to live there, it is the Muslim/Christian/Jewish population of 1800 and those of their descendants who have not given up the right.

      (Unproductive? Irrelevant. But by the 1890s they seem to have become very productive.)

      "who possessed nothing akin to an Arab Palestinian identity until the Jews arrived?"

      Why is this relevant? I keep asking but no-one will tell me.

      "a xenohobic, knee-jerk reaction to the Zionists"

      Again you deny rationality, but it is much more probably that the reaction was a perfectly reasonable dislike of a bunch of foreigners coming into the land with the express intention of taking it over.

    • The Palestinians in Jerusalem were living there before the Zionists came and started driving them out. They aren't settling there. It's their land and their city.

    • "Jews are entitled to live in greater Israel because they are Jewish"

      What is the chain of moral reasoning between "Mooser is Jewish" and "Mooser has a right to live in part of Palestine"

      "this is where their roots lie"

      What do you mean by "roots"? Most Jews are not cabbages. How do "roots" factor into it?

      "and Israel is the Jewish state."

      But Hebron is not part of Israel.

    • "Not easy for Jews to settle into a community full of Muslims who have demeaned them throughout history."

      Don't settle there, then. No-ones forcing you to.

    • "Hebron matters more to the Jews historically and religiously than to any other people "

      The big question, of course, is "So what?"

      And how do you measure how much something matters?

      I'm sure it matters more, personally and sentimentally, to the Palestinians who grew up there, made their homes there, and raised their families there than it does to any odd Jew or all Jews collectively.

    • Good to see Mr. Toner is in fine form. He never disappoints his fans.

  • Sam Harris and the politics of 'good intentions'
  • Israeli racism unmasks Netanyahu goodwill video
    • The Israeli flag is certainly discriminatory against those who don't like English folk dancing.

    • Yep. That girl was at least eight, and she was armed with a bike. And yet he did not quail or falter in his duty. Such heroism!

      The Israel supporters on MW must be bursting with pride.

    • Interesting idea, and worth thinking about. At the moment the most likely solutions involve either the Israeli Jews driving out or killing all the Arabs, or the Arabs driving out or killing all the Israeli Jews, with the former being more probable in the short term.

      I'm a bit puzzled by his requirement that the Palestinian State be always so militarily weak that it poses no threat to Israel. He says " Since the Palestinian state, by treaty obligation, will have a restricted military, and will implicitly be protected by the state of Israel from invasion from hostile outside powers" but says nothing about protecting the Palestinian State from Israel.

    • A bit of Israeli goodwill here.

  • Five US citizens detained, interrogated, denied entry to Israel
    • (Of course, if an Australian government were any use, we wouldn't be allowed to have one. It's a very short leash. Gough Whitlam always looked dodgy, and when it turned out that he thought Australia should have its own foreign policy, it was clear he had to go. Kevin Rudd apparently believed he should put Australia's interests before Israel's. 'Nuff said. Tony Abbot looked perfect, until it became clear that he really wasn't going to play the Global Warming game. Too much Big Money and Presidential prestige involved. Exit Tony. And we've still got that order in for F35s.)

    • The useless drongoes of the Australian Government are now flapping about whether the funds they gave to World Vision have been used to "finance terrorism".

      (There's a three part tautology for you. Drongoes are useless by definition, and the Australian Government by tradition.)

    • Slightly off topic, but here is a BBC story about 400 missing government files.

      link to bbc.com

      Interestingly, they include:
      -a Foreign Office file from 1979 entitled: "Military and nuclear collaboration with Israel: Israeli nuclear armament".
      (This vanished from a set of files relating to arms control. The remainder seem to have survived.)
      - documents on the planning of Jerusalem from its time under British administration
      ('The missing files include a 1918 memorandum by the British architect and civil servant Sir William McLean who submitted a master plan to develop Jerusalem while preserving the Old City.
      The file included 23 photographs depicting the plans including a "panoramic view of Mount of Olives; outer and inner city views".')

      Mice got them, I'm sure.

  • The 'New York Times' is dead set on marginalizing Jewish anti-Zionism
    • "Do you think it might be a privilege to be able to not be concerned (or claim to not be concerned) with your own (or for that matter, the others) identity?"

      No, I think it is a natural state of affairs. Of course, if you are in an unnatural state of affairs, surrounded by crazy people who are obsessed with "identities" and insist in trying to foist one on to you, it would probably hard work to escape from the nonsense. Then you might feel it is a privilege.

      " why would a person be relieved of any concerns about identity,"

      By the knowledge that there will always be a telephone box handy.

    • Annie, as you know, I grew up in a time when concern about identity meant looking for a telephone booth where one could shed one's glasses and suit, and then emerge to save the day. Thus, I regard all this talk of self-identity and self-identifying as petty-minded, narcissistic, self-indulgent, logically incoherent, twaddle.

      "i think not allowing people to self identify however they choose is anti (against) that persons self identity. when you claim a persons self identity is meaningless you deny the person."

      What does "deny the person" mean? When I tell the Korean plumber that, self-identifying notwithstanding, he isn't a member of the Royal Family of Lesotho, does he vanish in a puff of kim chee scented smoke?

      No.

      Then am I telling him that he is not human?

      No. I am telling him that his ideas about himself are wrong. And why is that unacceptable?

      "it’s rude and none of my business how or why a person self identifies."

      It is not always easy to be polite when telling people the truth, but it is sometimes necessary to save people from their own damned silliness. And even more necessary when said silliness adversely affects you. (Such a strain to remember which made-up pronoun applies to which self-identity.)

      But since this self-identity stuff seems to be the current fashion, I am going to self-identify as a fifteen year old girl. I'm looking forward to sharing the showers in the girls' changing room at high school.

    • "are we going to be informed mary was not a virgin?"

      She self-identified as a virgin. That's all you need to know.

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