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  • Scholars ask to have their names added to 'Professor Watchlist'
    • "The newly inaugurated U.S. administration has created an atmosphere of violence, "

      As far as I can tell, the atmosphere of violence was created by the opponents of the new administration.

  • The emergence of the Just Jew
    • "Keith’s comment dismisses antisemitism based upon the existence of the rothschilds."

      He doesn't dismiss anti-Semitism at all. He just points out the the picture of persecution evoked by Litvin was not the whole story.

      Your indictment of me is more complex, but it seems to turn on the idea that any questioning of Yonah's orthodoxy is anti-Semitic.

      I think it is permissible to question the authenticity of Anne Frank's Diary.

      I suggest that Jewish separatism was a contributing factor to anti-Semitism. (I don't recall saying that this justified persecution.)

      "He is enemy to Jewish languages"
      I think that creating Modern Hebrew was a bad idea. I also think that reviving Cornish is a pointless enterprise.

      "the jews are too few to deserve the option of cultural survival."
      I don't think any group deserves that, regardless of the size of the group. I think some cultural practices are better for supporting human flourishing than others, and I would like those practices to continue and to spread.

      All these positions are, apparently, contrary to Yonah orthodoxy, but are they anti-Semitic in a more conventional sense? If not, I will continue to suggest that you are obsessed with finding Jew-hatred under every bush.

      For you, Yonah, the sides seem to be Jews vs. everybody.

    • "Equality and justice means getting rid of Assad in Syria, ISIS in the Middle East, "

      Currently, getting rid of Assad and getting rid of ISIS are incompatible goals. Assad is one of the main opponents of ISIS.

      (Of course, Assad has to go eventually. This man is so evil that he supports Trump's migrant ban. What could be worse than supporting Trump?)

    • I think Mooser is hinting that you are forgetting the s in "Rothschild".

    • OK, Yonah. Now is your big chance. Point out exactly what is anti-Semitic about my comments or Keith's comments. If you succeed, I'll stop saying you are nuts.

    • So, up to now, Jews haven't been just?

      Are we allowed to say that now?

    • "When directly asked about the growing incidents of anti-Semitism in the U.S. ..."

      Growing incidence. But is it growing?

    • "As members of a second-class minority community, Jews served as scapegoats for centuries and were abused by people of different religions, ethnicities and nationalities. "

      All the fault of the Gentiles, of course.

    • "Jews went through a slow process of emancipation in their adoptive European countries"

      Adoptive? Is this a suggestion that a Danish Jew isn't as Danish as a Danish Christian?

  • Trump's dim view of Palestine-Israel
  • 'New York Times' on Palestinians sounds like it's opining about 'Negro Problem'
  • Poll: Canada's politicians drastically out of touch with public on Israel
    • "Israel is the Mideast’s only democracy"

      Even if true, why is this so important? Democracies can, and do, commit evil.

      "...has more historic and legal claims to the disputed lands of Judea and Samaria ..."

      What are these historical and legal claims? Israel was created in 1948. The West Bank was not part of its territory.

      I can only see two bases for claims.
      1. Conquest. But modern international law rejects conquest as a basis for claims.
      2. Israel is the immediate successor state to a State of Palestine which encompassed all Palestine. But you deny that such a state existed.

      "than the so-called “Palestinians”, since there isn’t now nor has ever been a country called Palestine."

      The Palestinians are the native residents, descended from native residents. That gives them a very substantial claim, regardless of whether or not there ever was a country called Palestine.

  • Liberal supporters of Israel slam Trump's 'terrifying' comments-- some saying Jews need to keep a majority
    • No, nothing to do with ships. A petard was a device for blowing open gates, or blowing holes in walls. It was supposed to function like a shaped charge. The word is a technical term in English, though it derives, it seems, from the French for "fart".
      Nonetheless, I am not prepared to make any assumptions about the force of French farts.

    • "Rav Rick is now being hoist on his own petard."

      Hoist with his own petard, not "on". A petard is a bomb. If they didn't teach you that at school, sue.

  • Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it's never a scandal
    • There are suspicions that Israel conducted a test in the Negev, and another in the Indian Ocean. No confirmation, though.

    • "Obama got reelected; and his deal with Iran is one of the greatest achievements of a very good presidency. "

      Bollocks. If he had any guts he would have said no deal was necessary and lifted all sanctions.

    • "I believe that because that’s how the world works"

      That is a reason for suspecting something, but not for believing without evidence or argument.

      "because a lot of very smart people in the liberal establishment believe it"

      And why do they believe it?

      Going along with the crowd is not a good reason for believing something, even if the crowd is the fashionable set. Or even if the crowd is actually people of intelligence.

      "and because the New York Times and Washington Post are documenting some of it, with the fervor of Watergate. "

      And newspapers never peddle fake news, do they? Wait for the full story to be revealed before rushing to judgment.

      Credulity, thy name is Phil.

    • "“all you have to do is recognize that just one person you consider smarter then yourself believes in the torah and Talmud and you can then more easily accept it as an necessary practice that you yourself have not learned the full knowledge of yet”

      It will astonish MW readers to learn that I consider quite a few people to be smarter than myself. Nonetheless, I also consider it possible that those people can be mistaken about at least some issues. Therefore, I follow my own judgment. If I accept their views, it is my judgement that they are likely to be right.

  • Jewish groups battle over Trump's choice for Israel ambassador
    • Of course! That one.

    • Don't play innocent with us, Keith. You know perfectly well that, as soon as you introduce a standard issue national health service, the whole country is taken over by Communists. Within minutes commissars are rounding up dissidents and sending them off to the re-education camps where they will learn to appreciate Facebook Marxism-Leninism.

      This has happened in every country that has introduced a proper healthcare system, and you want to hand over the USA to the Reds.

  • Netanyahu comes to Trump meeting under pressure to kill Palestinian state
    • "“In Sweden.. Who had believed..”

      Fine bit of fake news, there. A number of newspapers are saying that Trump was claiming that there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden the previous day. Not so. He said nothing of the sort. What he said was pretty rambling and incoherent, and apparently was a reference to a TV program he saw the previous day, but the newspapers in question decided their version of his words was more exciting.

    • It has to be "for X" if X is followed by "to+ verb".

      "an example for us to follow"; "an example for him to learn from"; "an example for the students to think about"

      Otherwise, as far as I can tell, both are acceptable. "To" seems to be more common. But, regardless of whether we set an example to or for the lower orders, let us make it a good one.

    • "but never V as the last one."

      Good. I get enough of SOV at home.

      "also in finnish we have the form ... (Minä also translated to I)"

      Thanks. Much more interesting than all this hysteria about Trump, and easily as relevant to the I/P issue as most of it.

      " Would be easier on a piece of real paper.."

      Most things are.

    • So the Russians aren't as sensible as I thought. What is the most common patter? SOV? VSO? OVS?

      (Even languages with fairly invariant word order do have variations. Restrictive clauses in English and Swedish often use the interrogative word order.)

    • Not really relevant to the I/P problem, but language can be interesting, and we have discussed linguistic issues before. English is, of course, the only language the world needs, but for historical reasons

      many people end up speaking in all sorts of peculiar ways, and doing really funny things with the words. Verb placement is a good example.
      Sensible people, such as the Russians, put the verb between the subject and the object. (SVO)
      Classical Arabic, I am given to understand, prefers the VSO order, but can also use the SVO order. But Welsh is less flexible. Either the main verb or (for periphrastic tenses) the verb "to be" must come before the subject. You have to beat a Welshman with a stick to make him put the subject first.*
      Weirdos like the ancient Romans and the Japanese like to leave the verb till the end of the sentence. Germans do the same with participles, which is very German of them.
      You'd expect the Chinese to be sensible, and a lot of the time they are. SVO is standard. But frequently, for creepy Oriental reasons known only to themselves, they use a 把 construction to produce an SOV sentence.

      And that's just a start. There are much stranger things in the linguistic woods.

      (*This is probably a good thing to do to a Welshman regardless of where he puts his verbs.)

    • Love it. Thank you.

      I hope one day I can get round to learning a bit more Finnish. I love the sound of it.

      The question of case ending or postposition is the sort of thing that leads to unseemly brawls in bars where linguists gather.

      The case endings of Latin and Russian are clearly case endings. Both nouns and adjectives are declined. The endings vary according to the class of noun or adjective.

      The postpositions of Japanese are clearly postpositions. They are invariant, and are regarded by native speakers as separate words. They follow the nouns, not the adjectives.

      A lot of Finnish endings look like postpositions (yes, I remember a bit of the grammar) but they are attached to nouns and adjectives, and follow the rules of vowel harmony. For these reasons I would call them case endings.

      But I'm not going to say that in a bar.

    • Page: 78
    • Cruel? I'm going soft in my old age. It's been weeks since I last nailed anyone's head to the floor.

    • "ally (= liittolainen in finnish!!!"

      And this, perhaps, explains why I forgot the few words of Finnish I managed to learn,

      Though I still regret it.

  • 'We cannot divide the land': Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav on bridging the gap between Israelis and Palestinians through Arabic literature
  • Israel demolishes home of 100-year-old Palestinian woman leaving her homeless
    • But remember, Citizen, that they are hated just because they are Jews. Nothing to do with them knocking down Grandma's house and running over Great-uncle.

  • New Israel Fund response to Ben Gurion harassment reinforces very system it claims to oppose
    • A great deal of scepticism is in order where the Daily Express is concerned. Nonetheless there are a large number of reports from a number of different countries. It is difficult to avoid thinking that there may be some truth in some of them.

    • I have to read as well as write? That's too great a task under my current conditions.

    • Keith, one would think that Lysistrata had no daughters.

    • Lot was such a dodgy character that I would rather he he didn't remember me.

      I'm sleep deprived, jet lagged, and cold. Be prepared for a few more typos.

    • "we all must immediately conform to the ideas of a few immigrants? I tend to think it’ll go the other way. "

      British, European, and Australian experience shows that it often doesn't. The immigrants often form " communities" which maintain the oppression of the country of origin.

      And while we are waiting for the refugees to conform, they are causing a lot of trouble in the process of learning that an unaccompanied woman is not asking to be raped.

    • "How can these glass ceiling “feminists” protest against Trump and not protest for the right of Third World women (and children) not to be bombed by US/NATO? "

      Perhaps they think that the bombs will break some of the glass ceilings.

      I find an apparent inconsistency between feminism and support for Muslim refugees. Many of the male Muslim refugees seem to have no interest in supporting women's rights. Allowing them into a country is detrimental to the rights of the women of that country, and does nothing to raise the status of the Muslim women refugees. *

      Far better to stop the wars. At least the Muslim women would not be at the mercy of the traffickers.

      (*I suspect the mods do lot like me saying this. The fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed is seductive.)

    • Let us know when he does.

      (I'm travelling now, so these comments are being posted from airports.)

    • Keith, no point trying to deny it. We've long had you pegged as an unreconstructed Soviet mole, and we love you for it.

      The KBG colonel's uniform in your closet might have been swapped for an FSB one by now, but you are still faithful to the cause. No doubt Putin will soon give you another well-deserved medal for your service.

      Let us know when it does, and we will give you a cheer.

  • Israel's efforts to erase Palestinian history reflect 'incremental genocide,' Ehrenreich says
  • To oppose Trump, Jews must join the fight against fascism and Zionism
    • "The Jews have the major claim to being the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine "

      In what possible sense of "indigenous" can American, Polish, or Australian Jews be classed as indigenous inhabitants of Palestine?

      "the newly manufactured ‘Palestinians’ are mere usurpers."

      Whom did the "Palestinians" usurp, and when did this usurpation occur?

      "when the xenophobic local Arab population got ‘shirty’ about a Jewish sovereign presence in their midst. "

      I see you have learned that xenophobia is supposed to be be a Bad Thing, but that actually depends on the nature of the foreigners. When those foreigners intend to take over your country, and either drive you out or subjugate you, xenophobia is fully justified.

    • "home for centuries of – guess who? The Palestinians” Where is there a shred of evidence for that? It is all surmise and supposition ..."

      So who was living in Palestine in the centuries before the Zionists turned up?

      'Arab leaders repeatedly rejected the notion of a unique “Palestinian Arab” identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of “Greater Syria.” '

      And why does it matter whether or not they had a unique "identity"? They were living in their own homes in their own country, and they were dispossessed. That was wrong regardless of their "identity".

    • 1. What is a "national identity"?

      2. Do Jews have one? (Bear in mind that Jews are, at best, only a c-nation. Comparisons with p-nations and n-nations are likely to be misleading.)

      3. Does anyone have a right to "express" a "national identity"? If you answer "Yes", proceed to the following questions.

      4. What arguments support the idea that there is such a right?

      5. What forms of expression are permissible?

      6. What limitations are there on the expression of this "national identity"?

      In the specific case of the creation of Israel, the expression of national identity was achieved through theft, murder, ethnic cleansing, and lying. There cannot be a right to do wrong.

  • Rand Paul warns neocons will 'scurry in' with Abrams, and Kristol says that's anti-Semitic
    • "Wonder what Reich and Co. would have done of the hysterical color revolution Liberal crowd ..."

      For the sake of my own mental health, I refuse to speculate, save that (since I am currently recalling the delights of Private Eye) I expect it would qualify for top spot in Pseud's Corner.

    • Or he could go nuclear and accuse Rand Paul of poetry.

    • Oooh, yes. We must avoid all ideas that Trump supporters are rational beings who made a rational choice, even if we have to invoke psychoanalytic jargon, Reich, the Frankfurt School, and French postmodernists to do so.

    • "The British PM , Theresa May is claiming that she managed to get Trump to support NATO 100%"

      And now German troops have entered Lithuania, heading for the Russian border.

      No, "now" means now, not 1941.

    • "Kristol says that’s anti-Semitic"

      And so it is. Everything is.

  • SJP demands that NYU president speak out against email threatening Muslims, Arabs and anti-Zionists
    • I don't know the relevant law, but I'd be surprised if an e-mail of that sort did not warrant investigation by law-enforcement authorities.

  • Israel's settlers clear path to annexation with new land law
    • And I thought she had a good chance of becoming president. She's blown it now. Expect some terrible scandal, assassination (by a crazed, Muslim, terrorist, of course), or similar obstacle to crop up.

  • British uproar at Trump policies doesn’t extend to Netanyahu, yet
    • Yes, but I can't persuade myself that bearing false witness is going to help in fighting the devil.

      I'm not sure that the wall will be very effective, but it might help. When you have a unstable, crime-ridden, southern neighbour, with a shonky economy, and which is largely run by criminal gangs, a wall seems a useful precaution. I think the Canadians should start building one now.

    • Ms Davies didn't mention the rights of Americans, though she probably cares about the rights of American Muslims and American women.

      If Trump is discriminating against male, non-Muslim, non-migrant, American citizens, the media has yet to start making a fuss about it.

      When it does, perhaps Ms Davies will get worked up about that, too.

      But, since she is British, I'd prefer to see her get worked up about the Yemen war.

    • "Nor have I, yet, heard of a case of him discriminating against legal migrants to the USA."

      Got it! The ham-handed extension of the travel ban to include migrants with green cards and similar residence visas who happened to be outside the US when the ban was imposed. They were people who had already migrated, and were discriminated against.

      So I'll rephrase it. I haven't heard of Trump discriminating against legal migrants who are in the USA.

    • “I don’t know enough about Palestine and Israel – it’s complicated and a sensitive topic. But what Trump is doing is obvious. He discriminates against women, Muslims, and migrants – and many people belong in one or all of these categories,” Davies said.'

      Ms Davies has just soaked up the fashionable talking points peddled by the popular media. They don't talk about Palestine and they do talk a lot about Trump, so she gets terribly worked up about what she has been told about Trump, but has not made an effort to learn about Palestine.

      (I must say that it isn't obvious to me that he discriminates against women. Are there any actual cases of Trump denying women jobs or positions because they are women?

      Nor have I, yet, heard of a case of him discriminating against legal migrants to the USA. )

  • Rights group: Israeli online incitement towards Arabs doubled in 2016
    • And tight lipped, too, I should think.

      But Lord Gnome's financial interests make him a staunch supporter of Israel.

    • Seldom does anything I read on MW - or anywhere else - alleviate my stony-faced gloom, but I did actually smile, slightly, at your invocation of Private Eye.

      I don't know whether it still is, and I still would, but it used to be funny, and I used to enjoy it.

      Thanks for the reminder.

  • Why Trump is even thinking about naming pro-Israel apparatchik who opposed him to high position
    • I think the Israeli Jews expect the others to stand apart from them. And especially from their daughters.

    • Incidentally, why do Jews have to stand apart?

      (I may sound a bit unsympathetic here, Mooser, but I'm not really clear about why citizenship and equal rights in the USA are such a source of suffering. Here, yes. We, dammit, have to vote! Federal elections, State elections, local elections ... It never ends. And it applies to Australian Jews as well.)

    • "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart – except in Israel – from the rest of the population "

      And when the people among whom they live suggest that, if Jews stand apart from the nation, then they have no real loyalty to the nation and cannot expect the benefits of being a member of the nation, does that same covenant require Jews to accuse the nation of bigotry and anti-Semitism?

  • Israeli soldier who 'mistakenly' killed Palestinian teen will not face manslaughter charges
    • Eljay, we are already in that era. The other horsemen are struggling to catch up.

    • "in the Trump/Netanyahu world where criticism is damned as “fake news” but fake news is forged minute-by-minute within the seats and corridors of power,"

      It is the world as it was long before Trump was born. The recent use of the term "fake news" was promulgated by Trump's opponents to refer to the realities being exposed on the internet. I have no doubt that Trump's minions will create their own flood of fake news. All governments do this, and I see no reason to suppose Trump's will be an exception. The adage "do not believe anything until it has been officially denied" still applies.

      But any idea that Trump has inaugurated an era of fake news is simply tosh.

  • Legalizing the theft of Palestinian land has been Israeli policy since Day 1
    • " land theft has been a policy of Israel since day 1 "

      But it can't be theft, because it is absolutely legal. It's written down there in Israeli law.

      So there is nothing to complain about.


  • Land Grab: Israeli Knesset passes law legalizing expropriation of privately-owned Palestinian land
    • No need to apologise. * I am assured by the ghosts of Chaucer, Shakespeare, Lamb, and Wodehouse that, as a non-native speaker, your efforts will be rewarded and your mistakes forgiven.

      No such forgiveness for native speakers, though. It will be the outer darkness and the torments of the fiery pit for some of them.

      (*Though perhaps I owe an apology to King Gama.)

    • Glad to help, Mooser. Sad to say, there are people who take umbrage at my little tips, and think I am some sort of monster for offering them.

      If, for a moment, you give me your attention, I will tell you what I am: I'm a genuine philanthropist — all other kinds are sham. Each tiny grammar error and each logical defect in my erring fellow-creatures I endeavour to correct. To all their punctuation slips I open people's eyes; and little plans to make them reason clearly I devise; I love my fellow creatures — I do all the good I can — yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! And I can't think why!

      Well, not everybody. I exaggerate.

    • Pssst! Kaisa, you are doing very well with English, but here's a little language help.

      "If our foreign minister would have had acted like that with a Palestinian leader, he would probably have been “shot down” from his post"

      Don't copy Yonah's usage. He can smell out a judeophobe, but not his own bad grammar.

      (When I lived in Sweden, I learned about five words of Finnish. Sad to say, I've forgotten even those now.)

  • The centrist US political system will defeat Trump
    • "Really?"

      Well, of course. If all those people got so worked up about a mere ninety day travel ban on Iranians, they are bound to be even more strongly opposed to a war against Iranians, aren't they?

      And I bet they will wear really natty hats.

    • I'm expecting even larger demonstrations against Trump's inclination towards war with Iran.

      What colour hats should the demonstrators wear to show how much they care for the Iranians?

    • "“naked shorts” which occur so fast as to be undetectable."

      If they are undetectable, how do you know whether you are wearing them or not?

      For the sake of my fellow citizens, I'll stick to the old style opaque shorts.

    • "Systematically undermining a popular candidate from her own party and carrying extraordinarily negative ratings involving her own candidacy, Clinton handed a victory to an easily-defeated right-wing hotel developer and reality television star. "

      Easily defeated? I seem to recall that he succeeded in knocking out every other Republican contender in spite of opposition from his own party and the MSM.

      This is just another attempt at avoiding reality, only instead of blaming the Russians, it's blaming Clinton.

      The reality is that a very large slice of America doesn't like the tripe that "the Left" has been droning on about, and has seen no benefits from the policies. Deplorable they may be, but there are enough of them to elect a President.

  • Israeli supermarket chain glorifies army killer on grocery bag
    • I'm not sure that English speakers who do not know the grammar of their own language will profit much from seeing the Latin.

  • Obama fostered spread of nuclear weapons because of his naivete, says head of Council on Foreign Relations
    • Here's something from PCR to cheer you up a bit, Keith.

      (I must say that I would think that the nickname "Mad dog" might have been a bit of a clue.)

    • This suggests that China will have a strong interest in protecting Iran from major disruption. That could make things interesting.

    • They were right. You were peddling a conspiracy theory. Mind you, they were wrong if they were suggesting that there wasn't a conspiracy. That email reveals the conspiracy.

    • "The United States warned repeatedly that if Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons, that would constitute the crossing of a red line, and there would be serious consequences. He proceeded to use chemical weapons several times,"

      Who used chemical weapons?

      "Instead, the United States ultimately worked with Russia on a diplomatic solution to getting rid of the chemical weapons."

      The way I recall it, it was Syria and Russia who worked out the plan, and the US sulkily tagged along.

  • 'Israel receives more US military aid than every other country in the world combined' -- New York Times reveals
    • Interesting. Since the US MSM hates Trump, and Trump seems to be a very strong supporter of Israel, could the US MSM start criticizing Israel as a way of attacking Trump?

      Naaah. Too much to hope for.

  • Israel has had a 'Muslim ban' from the start
    • "Israel was set up as the nation state of the jewish people."

      There was no need for such a state. And it was completely wrong to set up this state in a territory already occupied by other people, and to drive out many of those native occupants.

      "It is a haven from a world that has on multiple occasions committed genocide against us. "

      And yet Jews in Australia are safer than Jews in Israel!

      "There are 22 Muslim Arab nations I believe. Only one tiny jewish state. "

      And the relevance of this?

      " But the author seems to not care that Jews are banned from living and praying and owning property in most Arab countries."

      A direct result of the activities of the Zionists in dispossessing the Palestinians.

      " The only propaganda is the one emanating from site like this that tries to hide behind human rights to deny Jews their own rights."

      Jews have no more rights than any other human beings.

    • "There is a need for the existence of a Jewish state”.

      No there isn't.

    • The Israeli wall is to keep out people who have a right to Palestine.

      Trump's wall is to keep our people who have no right to the USA.

  • Jewless Holocaust. Israel first.
    • So if we nasty judeophobes want to get rid of the Jews, we should love them, and then they will all disappear?

      OK, Mooser, I'm going to adore you to oblivion.

    • "they are all too much and that is why one could only wish that Holocaust Memorials actually achieved something eventually. "

      Achieve what? No more mass murders? Are you some sort of vegetarian sissy?

    • 'The proposed alternative would make a conceptual separation through the use of dashes: “The Holocaust—the systematic state-sponsored extermination of six million Jews—and the millions of other Nazi victims.”'

      So punctuation does matter, after all?

  • Under Trump we cannot expect 'the system' to protect us, but we can protect ourselves
    • And a superfluous comma crept in there. I donate it to MW, as long as it gets used correctly.

    • '“Our people have the right to decide which cultures are invited. It is that simple.”


      I would think so. If you (perhaps you and your ancestors, over centuries) have put in the effort to develop a society in which at least some of the laws and customs reflect your high values and ideals, it seems to me that you would have a prima facie right to exclude migrants from cultures in which those ideals are not held.

      This is especially the case when experience has shown that quite often those migrants do not change their attitudes, but continue, though ignorance, indifference, or contempt, to practice customs which subvert those ideals.

      "Can we disinvite the culture that propelled tRUMP into the white house,"

      No. That is not a foreign culture,. It is the culture of your heartland, and may well be the majority. If you don't like the ideas of those people, try to persuade them to change their ideas.

      "Seriously, this is a religious ban,"

      I can't see it as a religious ban, but rather as a ban on people who the US authorities (not just Trump) see as a possible threat. If it were just to ban Muslims because they are Muslim, then Indonesia would be on top of the list.

      "which goes against the current u.s. constitution which has been in place for +200 years"

      I'll leave the constitutional wrangling to the lawyers, but I'm pleased to see that you want to maintain the traditional laws and customs of your society.

    • I have no objection to demonstrating opposition to a speaker's ideas. I have no objection to a bit of heckling. But I do object to shutting down the event.

    • Bit tricky if he's still wearing them.

  • Jewish groups slamming Trump on refugees are hardhearted when it comes to Palestinian refugees
    • "trumpette was a slimeball long before being elected as prez "

      I'm pretty sure that's not my fault, either.

    • It's official, then. Trump's presidency has fried people's brains.

      Nowhere did I compare Turnbull to Trump. Turnbull attained the status of slimeball long before Trump was elected. It is all his own work.

    • An empire is usually somewhat larger than an egg. I think it is perfectly possible to acknowledge that empires sometimes do good while at the same time maintaining that some particular empires, or empires in general, are, overall, bad things.

    • "been nasty to Australia"

      Well, been nasty to that slimeball Turnbull. I don't know how anyone couldn't.

      But we could do with the US being nasty to Australia a lot more often. Sufficient kicking might make our establishment decide it was time for Australia to slightly reduce the brown nosing.

      (Australian independence would be too much to hope for.)

    • Reaction to Trump's immigration policy has exhibited more craziness than a week of Japanese TV commercials.

      Two things to emphasize.

      1. Palestinians have a right to live in Palestine.
      2. Somalis do not have a right to live in the USA.

  • To report honestly, US mainstream editors must stand up to Israeli propaganda machine
  • What would Anne Frank do?
    • " you start with a defense of citizen’s ball point pen, and characterize it as a type of historical curiosity rather than the denialism that it represents. "

      I characterised it as scepticism. This is a basic requirement for all scientific and historical research. I credited Citizen with good sense, and saw no reason to impugn his motives.

      "This shows that your seriousness is only in your language but not in your character."

      Eh? So you don't think I am a serious judeophobe?

      "i have seen judeophobic literature and cartoons focusing on anne frank as a type of comic figure, something for the charlie hebdo (hustler magazine cartoons) part of our personalities. that is what this post and citizen’s comment represent to me."

      And what about this post makes you put it in the same class as that material?

      "the historical educational conjecturing is just the icing on the cake."

      So you can't actually point to any specific jew-hating in the comments.

      "i grew up twenty years after the german nazi european slaughter of the jews in german controlled territory and it is part of my family history."

      I was born in Britain in 1946. The aftermath of WW2 was all around me. It is certainly part of my family history. (As is WW1) But I don't let that dominate my life or my thinking about the world.

      "world war II was the start of the modern era in a way and the slaughter of the jews was an important feature of that war,"

      As was the torment of Asia under the Japanese.

      "but i can smell a judeophobe. sometimes i’m wrong. but not in this case, dude."

      Since just about everyone smells like a judeophobe to you, you are bound to be right some of the time.

      But that doesn't answer the questions about the educational value of the diary.

    • I do not really expect answers from Yonah, of course. As far as he is concerned, it is self-evident that everything is an expression of Jew-hatred.

      "the value is in the story and that it happened to her and that her diary survived and we can hear her voice, her age. it’s an important documentation of her experience, which is important, vital given the era in which she lived and her tragic circumstance. "

      That is, of course, the value of the diary. But do we really need to burden our children with that detail? Is it desperately important that they need to know so much about that one story?

      Yonah probably thinks the Holocaust was the most important event in history. Well, Richard Gombrich seems to think the Buddha's enlightenment was the most important event in history, and I think it was Chaucer's invention of the English Language. The actual most important event was civilized nations making the declawing of cats illegal, but schools do not make the legislation compulsory reading.

      If we are to instruct our children in the grim past, in the hope they will not do it again, why the Holocaust? The Holocaust was neither the greatest nor the most recent example of man's inhumanity to man, and I do not see its motive as being any more reprehensible than the motives of other mass slaughters.

      Why, then, is a Holocaust story regarded as essential? Why not, as you hint, Annie, collect Rawan Yaghi's writings, and have those read instead?


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