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  • BDS is the only means of ending the occupation -- Derfner
    • And is it really appropriate for Mondoweiss posts to be using the vomit-inducing phrase "made aliyah" non-ironically?

    • Liberals of any stripe shouldn't be supporting Israel's existence as anything other than a state of its citizens.

      Stop the presses, an Israeli Jewish writer (who doesn't even have the excuse of having been born in Israel but who moved there from progrom-ridden Los Angeles?) supports BDS as a means to maintain Zionism lite.

  • What’s wrong with the ADL survey and how it could be improved
    • I do resent even feeling obliged to make some of these caveats, considering I'm not the one posting with an avatar depicting the flag of an ethnically cleansed apartheid ethnocracy.

  • South African radicals wanted to kill Paul Simon for violating boycott -- Steve Van Zandt
    • Related:

      Tite Curet Alonso, the legendary 72-year-old Puerto Rican composer, musicologist, and journalist, spent four months helping Paul Simon research roots music for his ill-starred Broadway musical The Capeman. But Alonso says Simon was only interested in adding a slight Latin tint to his own sound, rather than engaging in the kind of cowriting venture that would infuse his score with authentic Afro-Latin color.

      Here's a Curet Alonso playlist with some of the obvious favorites, starting with the politically charged "Anacaona" (RIP Cheo Feliciano, 1935-2014), about a female Taino leader killed by the Spanish:

      Honestly, while I see it as necessary, I hate the business of cultural boycotts and mixing of moral and political judgment with one's stance toward art (and especially music, which in essence is more formal and "about" emotion if anything rather than having propositional content--but that's easy to say when you aren't on the receiving end of oppression).

  • Jewish neocons and the romance of nationalist armageddon
  • In historic interviews, US officials blame end of talks on Israeli land theft
    • Meanwhile Obama refers to the current Ukraine government as duly elected:

      Absolutely shameless and despicable.

    • If you look at the news from Odessa, you can see what anti-Maidan Crimeans might have missed out on thanks to Putin.

    • And when he kicks western NGOs out of Russia, I hope western liberal human rights activists skip the cries of outrage. As if it isn't clear how (many) western NGOs have been used for decades to do the work of western intelligence agencies.

      USAID is already working to in Ukraine to help the media there provide fair coverage of the upcoming elections. Oh lucky Ukraine!

      Some history:

    • Putin's international role is one reason to be hopeful that Israel can at least be stopped from attaining all its regional goals. Russia is one of the few causes for hope on the world scene today, despite its flaws. The historical relationship of Russia to Ukraine is vastly different than the historical relationship of Ashkenazi Jews, who on the best theories of the moment are descendents of Jewish converts without milddle eastern roots, and Palestine. Israel will no doubt try to use Russia's defensive actions against US/NATO imperialism as an excuse for its colonialist ethnic cleansing project, but that is so much of the usual Zionist hot air.

  • Red Card for Racism: Activists demand FIFA kick out Israel
    • (OT: Hello Friendfeed Crew. I have no intention of signing up for Facebook, which I hate for many different reasons. Twitter might be a possibility but for now I'm going to do without, since I'm afraid my impulse control wouldn't be good enough and I'd tweet things (probably under my full name, if I set up an account) I'd later regret. No Facebook>No Twitter>impulse control>extreme introversion>avoidant personality disorder>paranoia>luddite tendencies>look ma, it's a list!)

  • Thousands of Israeli soldiers protest 'their hands are tied' while serving in the occupied territories
    • Unfortunately the Palestinians don't have enough military might to defeat the Zionist infiltrators, so they have to work with the means of resistance they have at hand. I would much rather see a military defeat of Zionism, if it were possible, since that would put an end to this oppression once and for all.

  • Fiddler on the Nakba
    • Yeah, I guess this was my personal Fiddler on the Roof, especially during my teen years:

    • Fair enough distinction, but I still think there are limited opportunities for Arabs, or Palestinians specifically, to get those individual stories about individual Palestinians and other Arabs heard.

    • A Palestinian Jay-Z or Sean Combs? No thanks. Because the youth are the future and they don't need role models to celebrate degradation.

    • I can't picture Terry Gross moving anywhere without someone in a ten mile radius who once gave a blowjob to Lou Reed.

    • Fiddler on the Roof was also one of the few records my parents owned. Watching part of the movie on youtube relatively recently I was surprised (but why was I surprised?) by how kitsch it was. Not sure it is something to aspire to. Maybe the movie version was inferior, as often happens?

      And to Zach S, as Annie has already said, Palestinians and Arabs in general who want to put their story into Broadway or Hollywood or other mainstream form face a lot of resistance. Meanwhile, the mainstream is eager to embrace Jews who want to tell their story, no doubt partly thanks to the large number of Jews in the entertainment/media business. That doesn't necessarily mean Arabs have done as much as they could to get their voice heard in the United States, but they have faced a different set of obstacles.

  • Kerry says that Israel could wind up being 'an apartheid state'
    • Bin Laden issued multiple statements denying responsibility for 9/11 and al Zawahiri is a western operative who regularly met with US/NATO and Turkish officials, per Sibel Edmonds, with some additional circumstantial evidence to support this claim (including the peculiar story of his arrest by Russia). The beginning of this just goes over the standard account of who al Zawahiri is, but it gets better past that section:

      The point of view on 9/11 apparently held by a majority of the world's Muslims is, of course, beyond the pale to even discuss:

      This is what the Pew Forum said about its summer poll on Muslim tensions:
      “Nearly a decade after Sept. 11, 2001, skepticism about the events of that day persists among the Muslim public. When asked whether they think groups of Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks on the U.S., most Muslims in the nations surveyed said no. There is no Muslim public in which even 30% accept that Arabs conducted the attacks. Indeed, Muslims in Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey are less likely to accept this today than in 2006.”

      (chuckcarlos, this second point isn't primarily directed at you.)

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron
    • IDF soldiers deserve bullets, not sympathy. Sorry if that shows lack of nuance. I am not particularly representative of those on the pro-Palestinian side.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount
  • Passover Auto-Pilot
    • Expressing your discomfort with any form of Christianity that is remotely close to the historical mainstream of Christian credal statements doesn't shed any light on the political and cultural issues you write about, although it does explain why Phil Weiss would pick you to be this site's unofficial religious authority in residence.

      I'm really not defending Christianity here. I just think it's bizarre that you are shocked your "more enlightened Christian comrades" would celebrate the resurrection in simple and direct terms.

    • Some Jews I’ve known mock the Easter-driven “He is Risen” church billboards which, surprisingly, aren’t much different from the Facebook postings by our more enlightened Christian comrades in arms. Our thoughts: Christians can’t help themselves. They’re on self-congratulatory auto-pilot.

      How is it self-congratulatory? What hand do Christians think they had in the resurrection? None.

      Look, Christian evangelism frankly bugs me, but how is it self-congratulatory to say "He is risen!"?

  • No rescue!
    • Okay, I will throw out one "proof text" but there are plenty more where this came from. Romans 13:11-12:

      11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

      12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

      Clearly there are "layers" of redemption. Paul would say that believers have been saved from enslavement to sin, but he remains looking forward to a future salvation as well.

      Jesus' moral teachings are over and over again coupled with the prediction of an imminent overturning of the existing social order that has yet to come true. So whatever the crucifixion and resurrection were, Christians have to accomodate the fact that they have not brought about justice in the world; so they continue to hope for a future redemption, beyond their individual salvation. (I find Bart Ehrman's account of the historical Jesus and of early Christian teaching quite convincing overall.)

    • wasn’t the crucifixion supposed to have accomplished that very task?

      Not if you look at it in the context of everything else in the New Testament. It's very clear that post-resurrection, Christians are still left looking to the future in hope. Sorry, I no longer have verses at my fingertips to back that up, but it's pretty consistent throughout the New Testament.

      Anyway I'm irreligious myself. I just find extreme theological liberalism to almost always be intellectually dishonest. People want to keep the force of the claim to divine revelation but then they want to remake their religion to fit their (generally modern, liberal, humanistic) preferences.

      Maybe I should stay out of it, but I am easily trolled by Marc Ellis.

      (The whole "the Messiah has come, but he went away and will return soon" where that's still true 2000+ years later--well, only in religion would you get something like that.)

    • Christians who believe that they have been saved from eternal death by Christ's death and resurrection are not going to stop celebrating Easter.

      Who is your audience for an article like this?

      Christians are to endure in the practice of their faith, not abandon it because justice does not yet rule on planet earth.

      You are either completely out of touch with the main stream of Christianity, or you just don't care and are quite happy to re-make it any old way to suit your beliefs. But who are you and why should any Christian listen?

    • The fundamental mistake here is treating religions that are not primarily about politics or social transformation as though they are.

      It's hard to shake off my Protestant past in looking at this, but speaking as an ex-Protestant Christian, there is no Biblical basis for expecting the redemption of the world prior to Christ's return. Period. (That may not be true in the Catholic or Orthodox traditions.) That understanding hasn't prevented the church from celebrating its rituals over the centuries.

      Your liberation theology decontexualizes Christian social teaching removing its dependence on an expected direct intervention by God. It's basically humanism dressed up in religious garments, in an attempt to look more authoritative.

      And while Christianity might not be solely about individual salvation, it surely is partly about individual salvation. The resurrection is at the very least about the salvation of individuals from the punishment for sin. Whitewash this and you whitewash core Christian theological beliefs.

      If you want to give it a symbolic humanistic gloss, okay, but don't expect to be taken seriously. Again, religious liberals want the aura of authority without submitting to the discipline of what the Bible says, or about what the church says.

      I would add that the attempt to impose a concept of collective Christian guilt on all Christians for what any Christians have ever done is going to fall flat.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel
    • Right, she thinks it's "her turn."

    • I don't know. Hillary seems pretty defeatable in general. I think the Democrats will be making a mistake to make her their presidential candidate. I certainly won't be voting for her, though that doesn't necessarily mean I'd vote for Rand Paul.

      Then again, maybe you are right. The Republicans seem to have a really hard time coming up with anyone buy lunatics and morons to run in their presidential primaries.

  • Stephen Walt: publishing 'Israel lobby' ended any thought of serving in US gov't
    • “I have to pound this into your head: We do not say the Israel lobby was solely responsible for the Iraq war. We say it would not have happened if the lobby had not existed and had not pushed forth.”

      That’s very close.

      Necessary causes, sufficient causes, contributory causes. Philosophy 101.

  • Fear of Arab-Americans in the public square
    • Thank you. I agree that estimate is very low. From the Gulf War, through the period of sanctions on Iraq, and up to the present ongoing (drone oriented) "War on Terror" (whether they've retired that name or not), it looks a lot closer to 2 million. The Lancet study of Iraqi deaths resulting from the Iraq war is over 500,000, I see. I can't say I know much about the methodology for such studies, but based on the destruction wrought upon Iraq, that seems very imaginable.

      Reading Ramsey Clark's The Fire This Time: U.S. War Crimes in the Gulf, back in 1993 did a lot to disabuse me of my illusions regarding my government's conduct of warfare. And the atrocities described there are all pre-9/11, of course.

      That's a lot of cause for anger, alongside support of Israel.

  • Alleged K.C. killer: 'If Jews can have a state of their own, why can't we have a White Christian state?'
    • Is there any documentation for it? I read the Kevin Barrett article and I read him now and then, but I'd like something more than his (or Gordon Duff's) say-so. I find VT valuable in some ways but also very iffy, to say the least.

    • I don't think any other ethnic/religious group could have gotten away with establishing and maintaining (and expanding) an ethnic religious state like Israel, in the same time period in which it happened, and gotten by with so little condemnation, particularly amongst liberals. Liberals and progressives have tolerated a fascistic Jewish nationalism in a way that I do not think they would ever tolerate such things from any other ethnic/religious group.

      (I do not envy this and do not want a white state.)

  • To reach the 'moveable middle' in Jewish life, you must be inside the tent
    • And wait until the full fruits of Obamacare kick in.

      You obviously love drinking that pollyana koolaid.

    • Thank you. And if food is really cheaper now than it was before (which I have my doubts about), it's because it's crap. The inflation in the price of decent food has been very noticeable.

      women have joined the work force in much larger numbers, graduate from college at higher levels.

      Yes, and it isn't it convenient for management that two middle class salaries can't buy the lifestyle that was typically available on one in the past.

      Krauss you sound like you're doing rather well. Take a look around at the rest of us.

  • Amid 'climate of fear' at Vassar, president comes out against 'action and protest' re Israel
  • Dershowitz plays McCarthy, and John Dingell is labeled 'anti-Israel'
    • W.Jones, I've noticed you coming back to these lines before, and since Phil has finally responded for himself, I will chime in and say that as an ex-Christian, I would say that it can be uncomfortable and awkward to be close to someone who thinks that you are headed to eternal torment unless you buy the belief they are selling. Of course in my case, maybe this is made worse by the fact that it's members of my family who hold these views.

      In fact, I think coming from a staunchly Christian background probably made it especially attractive to associate with secular or liberal religious Jews when I was in college. (I also quite simply was surrounded by Jews in my particular social niche at Temple University in the 80.) Little did I know I would arrive at a point where I would be calling out widespread liberal Jewish support for Zionism and asking questions about the extent of Jewish power in general.

      More generally, different people look for different things (maybe very different things) in friendship and define "friend" with criteria that vary from the very loose to the very narrow. For me, a certain amount of shared core values tend to be required for friendship.

  • 6 DC heavyweights tell Kerry, Netanyahu in West Bank is like Putin in Crimea
    • Brzezinski is one of the strategists we may well have to thank for recent U.S. intervention in Ukraine, and for NATO aggressiveness toward Russia, in general. Additionally, we can thank him for beginning the process of destroying Afghanistan (in the name of defeating the Soviet Union). A lot of anti-Zionists are entirely too forgiving of this man.

      In my opinion, Putin did the right thing by going into Crimea.

      Those who can't agree with that should at least be able to agree that the U.S. has absolutely no claim to the moral high ground, not least because it was the force behind the overthrow of an elected government in Ukraine, in the context of Russia's repeated willingness to engage in negotiated solutions to conflicts around Ukraine.

      Since Russia has been on of the most significant checks on an all out U.S. assault on Syria and Iran, let's ask ourselves if we want to see it weakened. Of course, if you feel it has done something worthy of condemnation, I guess there's no avoiding that.

      (I do have to laugh very hard at anyone who supported U.S. intervention in Libya but condemns Russia's military action in Crimea, which consisted largely of simply adding too the troops already stationed there. Didn't Russia get the NATO memo that the only way a country or region can be saved is by bombing the hell out of it?)

  • US is 'absolutely adamant' that Palestine not go to ICC and wreck the peace process -- Power
    • Sunstein is vile as well, with his totalitarian "cognitive infiltration" proposals:

      What can government do about conspiracy theories? Among the things it can do, what should it do? We can readily imagine a series of possible responses. (1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing. (2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories. (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help. Each instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5).

      And I post this as an unreconstructed conspiracy theorist.

  • 'A Painful Price': The escalating war on Palestine solidarity at U of Michigan and beyond
  • Let Pollard go. But first get answers from Tel Aviv
    • Again, I probably shouldn't post shortly after I wake up. I don't think "Jewish American traitor" was necessary--not that he isn't, but what does it really gain to say it that way?

    • Prosecute Arnon Milchan.

    • No. Agents of Israel already get away with too much, constantly. We need to be talking about more prosecutions for Israeli espionage, not the humanitarian release of this Jewish American traitor.

  • Pollard was in it for money, and sold so many dox Cap Weinberger wanted the death penalty
    • And it just adds insult to injury when the Israel's not only rope us into supporting their unjust system and crimes against humanity, but also steal our military and business/industrial secrets. And it's even worse when Israel and its supporters whine and call for the release of someone like Pollard.

      The endless arrogance and lies. My god. There are just so many different reason to be angry with Israel and its agents.

    • I didn't come to this website because Israel spied on us either, but I will definitely run with it. If we are going to reach tea party sympathizers, this is just the sort of thing that might work.

      And truthfully, the more I learn about Zionism (and obviously without assuming the truth of every claim on every "anti-Zionist" website), the more I see it as not only a grave injustice to the Palestinians, but also as a threat to the Middle Eastern, a threat to U.S. national security, a threat to U.S. national interests in general, a threat to what limited democratic institutions remain in the U.S. (if you squint really hard made you can see them), a threat to the political systems in other western countries, and a threat to the world in general, through its subversion (e.g., stealing passports, or more seriously, participating in destabilization of countries which stand in the way of crushing the Palestinians and attaining regional hegemony).

      There is a difference between selling secrets to a foreign government (one which has a history of abusing what it has learned through espionage on the U.S.) and doing what Bradley Manning did or doing what Snowden did (assuming he's not playing a game directed by the government to begin with, which I think is questionable). It's true that there was a profit motive in the case of Assange and, I strongly suspect, in the case of Greenwald, but I haven't since convincing evidence of that in the case of Manning specifically.

      And I guess I am not enough of a "progressive" to completely not care about national secrets being given to a state which, if not an outright enemy, has a parasitic relationship with my country. I'm glad Russia, for instance, is re-emerging as a partial check on unipolar U.S. power, but if I found a bunch of high level secrets about our defenses, I wouldn't pass them on to the Russians. (There are claims, though admittedly without any documentation I've seen, that Israel passed on much of this material the USSR.)

      Sorry, I know you said you're leaving the thread!

    • So it's no big deal that Pollard sold such a huge number of documents to the Zionist Parasite, apparently many hand picked by the Israelis?

      Enough intelligence insiders are pissed off about this and do claim that lives were lost as a result that I think the claims of the security state have some credibility in this case.

  • A British Jew warns US Jewish orgs to heed rapidly-shifting world opinion
  • Loyola student government president vetoes divestment resolution
  • Dateline, Ukraine: How the State Department 'midwives' democracy
    • There definitely is a Word of Life church in Kiev connected to Ulf Ekman, so apparently yes:

      Things just get weirder and weirder. Oh, and here is the movie based on a book authored by Oleksandr Turchynov. I haven't watched it all yet (no subtitles either).

      Some edification from Pastor Ekman:

      However, hostility remains. Anti-Semitism has taken on a new form and become anti-Zionism. Sometimes one can hear anti-Semites say, I have nothing against Jews, but I don’t like Israel or Zionism; as if one can treat the people and their land separately. This is impossible because they are inextricably joined together through the promises of God. Anti-Zionism is merely Anti-Semitism in another guise.

    • Hopefully Bollyn is correct that that is the Word of Life church under discussion (since it's not an uncommon name).

    • More Zionist connections to the coup in Ukraine are emerging:

      The coup in Kiev also made Oleksandr Turchynov the acting President of Ukraine. On February 25, Turchynov assumed the duties of the supreme commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. While some American Baptists are reporting that Turchynov is a pastor or an elder at his church, the Word of Life Center in Kiev, they are missing the point. The Word of Life is a Zionist organization posing as a church. It was established by a Swedish Jew named Ulf Ekman, who created a church called “Livets Ord”, which established evangelical churches throughout the former Soviet Union in the early 1990s with the express purpose of finding and funding Jewish emigration to Israel.

      I can't say I've confirmed all of that elsewhere, yet, but Word of Life is clearly Christian Zionist:

  • Netanyahu mentions 'BDS' 18 times in denouncing movement and its 'gullible fellow travelers'
  • Pelosi calls Israel's creation 'the most spectacular political achievement of the 20th century'
    • At an AIPAC members' luncheon in San Francisco right after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Pelosi was speaking when an alarm sounded.

      "Everybody started getting nervous, scrambling toward the door," Lauter recalls. One person, though, was reading the words of Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem, above the din. It was Pelosi.

      "It actually calmed the crowd. You could see people smiling, saying 'Wow.' This wasn't something done purposefully to show everyone that Nancy Pelosi supports the Jewish community. It actually came from inside her."

      How appropriate?

  • Tax-deductible apartheid: JNF raises $60 million a year for racially-discriminatory housing
    • Yay Philly! I was never involved with any Palestine related activism there (really only briefly involved with any political activism in the mid-to-late-90s) but given the amount of vocal support for Israel in that city (I've seen some pretty big parades there with people waving Israeli flags), it takes guts to get out and demonstrate this way. It's not a huge risk, I would think, but given the level of support for Israel and the local culture, you definitely are risking having someone from the pro-Zionism crowd get in your face.

  • Read the StandWithUs dossiers on pro-Palestine activists for yourself
    • I don't see how this is so different in principle than anti-Zionist/pro-Palestinian organizations providing the background on pro-Israel speakers (including their past statements, organizational connections, names of spouses, etc.), unless private information is being given out about these speakers, in which case it would be good to point out those cases.

      Maybe more organized?

      Is the information on SourceWatch also McCarthyism?

      It's worth seeing what the pro-Israel/anti-Palestine crowd's talking points might be with regard to particular speakers. I feel outrage over Zionism, but I don't feel any outrage over Zionists preparing "dossiers" like these. It seems kind of expected. One's opponents are going to act as opposition! Shocker!

  • Thought experiment. Dateline Ukraine
    • Really good stuff here (via ):

      The alleged Turkish involvement fits in well with what Sibel Edmonds has said about Turkey's role in Gladio B.

      Interesting that in this case, if the reports cited in Moon of Alabama are correct, both Muslim separatist jihadists and Nazis or at least some sort of Ukrainian fascists were utilized in this coup.

    • I recommend taking a look at what Sibel Edmonds has had to say about Greenwald and Omidyar, with the caveat that (a) I wish she had some editorial help with her English and (b) I wish she wouldn't lower herself to some of the mildly homophobic taunts here. All in all, I wish she were more professional, since much of what she has to say seems quite important. (She comes across better in interviews and conversations, I think.)

      There are links to related material at the bottom of those articles.

      (Hey Democracy Now watching American liberals and leftists! Do you remember Sibel Edmonds?)

      Also some of the speculation re: Omidyar on Willy Loman's American Everyman blog has been thought-provoking.

      I also was reading a random anarchist blogger who was going into quite a bit of detail on this subject, but I somehow lost track of the url and haven't been able to find it again.

    • This seems pretty obvious but I will say it. Under Obama, it seems that if anything, covert warfare, the use of proxy armies, and some small-scale partly conventional military interventions are increasing. The Obama administration, especially in his second term, is taking more of a Reagan, G.H.W. Bush*, or Clinton approach to projecting force. It's also forwarding Rumsfeld's vision of an automated military and Cheney's emphasis on special operations.

      Big wars tend to evoke more public pushback, but the show must go on in some form, so it's easier to keep it small-scale and (wink wink) covert.

      *True, there was the first Gulf War, but we bought it at a discount price, as Obama gushed:

      By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful.

      That was March 23, 2008, by the way.

    • I doubt very much that Kerry and Obama have sought this result and must be appalled at recent developments.

      Based on what? Obama is clearly waging a not very subtle cold war on Russia. This is not just, and maybe not primarily, a Zionist neocon thing. This is also a Brzezinski style "encircle Russia" sort of thing. Or a plain old neoliberal attempt to create a "healthy" investment climate in Ukraine.

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