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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed. - "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • Israel's right wing Zionists, Palestine's militant resistance are political winners after Gaza slaughter
    • Gideon Levy is extreme left ? God help Israel.

    • Given the state of Israel's education system the right wing will be in power indefinitely. The kids are educated not to think.
      But what sort of an economy will Israel have ? "Jewish genius" is fine but it has to be nurtured. And a lot of Sabras are not being educated.

      link to youtube.com

      "The issue is larger than "are there enough dollars to educate our children"
      the issue is "do we WANT to educate our children""

      In Israel the answer is "no"

    • 68 seats for the fruitcakes. Would like to know how Israel funds itself going forward. As in who pays the taxes to support the right wing parasites.

      It was interesting to contrast the right wing vitriol , especially that of Bennett, with the suffering of Israeli business during the massacres. A lot of economic damage that didn't tally with the nonchalance of the cruelty.

    • They are invisible in national duh culture but more than a few of the most interesting Americans are native Americans.

  • Richard Cohen says he married Israel and has been faithful during ups and downs
    • Strategically valuable my ass- who is going to fight ISIS ?

    • I think there is a picture of Joan Rivers in an attic somewhere that looks like Israel, warts and all and then some

    • A big part of journalism is romanticizing its subjects. And Cohen does this wonderfully. But Israel is not the woman he married. She never stopped mainlining YESHA and after her teeth fell out she started to become psychotic. She's locked herself in a room now with all her guns and she'll only take food under the door.

  • I see five bears
  • Judaism's hijacking by Zionists drives 70% of secular Jews to marry non-Jews-- Koppman at Huffpo
    • I guess most American Jews below the elite level have no idea that the morality stuff was to be dumped as soon as Israel got the nukes and that it is no longer fit for purpose. Couldn't the Dersh educate them ?

    • This is classed under US politics but it's not. It's the Jewish crisis par excellence.
      Get that new classification up pronto.

  • As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new settlements in West Bank
    • link to mondediplo.com

      "During the wars in former Yugoslavia the architect Bogdan Bogdanovich coined
      the term “urbicide” to describe the destruction of cities in the Balkans. In
      Palestine the violence has targeted the entire landscape. A trail of
      devastation stretches as far as the eye can see: a jumble of demolished
      buildings, levelled hillsides and flattened forests. This barrage of
      concentrated damage has been wrought not only by the bombs and tanks of
      traditional warfare, but by industrious, vigorous destruction that has
      toppled properties like a violent tax assessor.
      A concrete-and-asphalt ugliness now mars some of the most beautiful views in
      the world. Hillsides have been carved up for bypass roads to Israeli
      settlements. On either side of the road Palestinian homes have been
      destroyed, olive trees uprooted and orange orchards razed, on behalf of
      enhanced visibility. All that remains is a no-man’s land topped by
      watchtowers. In the hostilities, the omnipresent bulldozers have as much
      strategic importance as the tanks. Never before has such an innocuous piece
      of equipment augured such violence and brutality.
      Unplanned development is not at issue, nor are the concrete jungles of
      Israel’s Mediterranean coastline nor the forces of heartless capitalism. No,
      I am reminded of the efforts of the former Soviet Union’s Gosplan, as if
      this destruction was being overseen by a state planning committee and the
      wilful hand of Israel was striving to erase the past. The twin mind-sets of
      construction and destruction have long coexisted here. In the 1950s
      thousands of pine trees, not olives, not oranges, were planted to wipe out
      traces of destroyed Palestinian villages; agricultural development was then
      hailed as a hallmark of civilisation. But today, in thrall to the forces of
      destruction, the gardener’s hand has turned against the land, slashing and
      plundering, uprooting, displacing and depopulating. All geographical
      settings contain intelligible signs and landmarks that bear witness to the
      narrative of history; but the painful realisation on entering Palestine is
      how profoundly the topography has been altered: the landmarks have been
      erased, producing disorientation."

      Weizmann has a must read book about this sickness

      link to amazon.com

  • The Palestinian message to Israel: Deal with us justly. Or disappear
    • link to haaretz.com

      "Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has reportedly told Israel that if negotiations with the United States about establishing a Palestinian state within the 1967 lines fail, he will transfer responsibility of West Bank lands to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "

    • It's weird, isn't it ? Surely Russia can say "what about Assad" ? Othersie it's double standards and anti semitic to pick on Russia.

    • link to haaretz.com

      "At the same time, though, a policy involving wasteful use of firepower was revealed, which reduced stocks to worrying levels following limited hostilities that took place on just one front. The result must prompt a reexamination over the way in which the IDF builds its land-based forces and trains them for their new tasks, taking strategic changes in the region into account."

      That Gaza as Amalek policy is really self defeating , not just morally

    • Sumud 1 Hasbara and Systematic nihilism 0

    • Thanks for the link, Pixel. Even more shocking is that it didn't work.

    • I think the Palestinian message from Gaza to Israel was that the fraud is over. Put up or STFU. No more bullshit. Give us our rights. We are not afraid to die for them. We do not accept facts on the ground. We are the facts.
      You are the terrorists. You have destroyed your society instead of destroying us.

  • Elizabeth Warren says killing Palestinian civilians is 'the last thing Israel wants'
    • He's tweeting a lot of sense these days Krauss.
      St Paul was the same, you know. Happened on the road to Damascus rather than the highway to Gaza .

    • I have to thank MJR for this insight

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg
      "Netanyahu is a fucking barbarian and so is everyone in his government".

      so is Warren.

      Israel kills civilians "pour encourager les autres". And it doesn't work.

  • Yale Protestant chaplain says Americans must curb Israel so as to curb anti-Semitism
    • What a find. Thank you, just . A reference

      I'm going through the earlier July stuff now and here are the highlights so far

      link to theguardian.com
      "For Israelis, the nightmare of your son's phone ringing, unanswered, wipes away all the self-confidence that citizens of the Jewish state have built for themselves. That fear burrows into a national psyche that defines what Israel is about for its Jewish majority – a country that was founded and its entire military force built up so that no Jewish child should ever be captured and spirited away again. No other political arguments or realities apply. As far as they are concerned, that is Israel's core purpose."

      A rare burst of Shavit clarity
      link to haaretz.com
      "What will be will be as the situation unfolds, but it’s already clear that the way things were until a few weeks ago is gone. The bubbles we’ve lived in have burst. The years of calm are over. "

      link to theguardian.com
      "So we’re left with a one-state solution, operated on ethnically segregated apartheid-style lines, in which a large section of the population has no say in who rules over them, indefinitely. But it’s folly to imagine that this shameful injustice will continue without an escalating cost for those who enforce it.
      The conflict’s eruptions are certainly coming thicker and faster. Despite heroic Israeli efforts to fix the narrative, global opinion has never been more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But the brutal reality is that there will be no end to Israel’s occupation until Palestinians and their supporters are able to raise its price to the occupier, in one way or another – and change the balance of power on the ground."

      link to theguardian.com
      "Gaza air strikes are a necessary show of force for Israel
      Hamas, bankrupt and friendless, hopes to use violence to win support. Israel cannot do otherwise than act"

      PresidentPeres ✔ @PresidentPeres
      All approaches to #Hamas by the intl' community to recognize #Israel and make #peace were denied
      We cannot accept death, there is no compromise with bombshells and no compromise when there's danger above the head of mothers and children

      Dersh special
      link to haaretz.com
      Hamas, not Israel, is the real enemy of the Palestinians
      "To Gaza’s innocent civilians: Demand a ‘Gaza Spring’ and rid yourself of Hamas’ violent theocrats and kleptocrats, who love Palestinian children less than they hate Israel
      The real enemies of the Palestinians are those Hamas leaders who do in fact love Palestinian children less than they hate Israel. That’s why they are prepared to use these children as human sacrifices in their efforts to destroy the nation state of the Jewish people.

      There will be peace between Israel and the Palestinians only when the Palestinians overthrow or vote out the violent theocrats and kleptocrats of Hamas—or unless Hamas can be induced by the citizens of Gaza to change its destructive policies. The alternative will be a Gaza in which civilians continue to pay the heavy price for Hamas’ hatred of Israel and contempt for its own citizens. "

      link to ft.com
      "Israeli policy has left the Palestinian Authority toothless and discredited, its land eaten away by the continuing occupation of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. But Israel’s reputation in the world is also eroding, and it is an illusion to think it can remain an oasis of peace and prosperity in a region on fire, so long as the Palestinians have no prospect of a viable state of their own."

      The UK newspapers were way ahead of the curve. Zionism lost 66 soldiers, wasted much ammunition and, most of all, suffered unimaginable losses in the hasbara division.

      It is so interesting to see how many commentators underestimated Gaza and the will of the people there to take charge of their lives .

    • People are sick and tired of Israeli exceptionalism. Maybe it's fine in Hebrew to class the Palestinians as Untermenschen but it looks dreadful in English. And BDS is not possible" because it's too like the 1930s". Well, guess what ? Gaza looks far too much like the 1940s to a lot of people outside the bubble.

      And Israel lost the celebrity war this time around. Seriously.

      Gorenberg has a good article in Ha'aretz about the failure of the Likud formula
      :
      link to haaretz.com
      "Netanyahu taps into two contradictory currents in the Israeli psyche: The Holocaust trauma of helplessness, and belief in force as the only solution."

      Israel can't kill over 500 kids and claim helplessness.

      Israel is entitled to tell itself that the Palestinians are Amalek but as a sovereign nation it has to live with the consequences.

  • 'NYT' continues using discredited figures suggesting parity between Israeli and Palestinian attacks -- Updated
    • Will the NYT ever get around to talking about Lehava and the fragility of Israeli democracy ?

      link to forward.com

    • Mouin Rabbani wrote on his Facebook page on Tuesday, “When an army reaches the point of destroying apartment buildings as if it were a municipal engineer, it can no longer be considered a serious army.”

  • Israel's information iron dome
    • This article is real keeper. The inner workings of Zionism are fascinating. Press propaganda to get Yossi Israeli doped up on hasbara and 40 kids per class to remove all traces of independent thinking.

      Palestinian schools must be far more civilized. I bet Palestinians have a far higher incidence of noor al ain, the light in the eyes, than Israelis. There is no such thing as a free lunch after all.

    • Adelson does the money, bibi does the politics and the teachers of israel manage the kids in operation YESHA forever. And every 3 years the lawn is mowed. And it was rilly great while it lasted. But all good things come to an end. The papers were just selling Yossi his own prejudices.
      But Hamas changed the rules. Israelis in bomb shelters. A terrible beauty is born. The right wing cannot hold.

      Where does Zionism go from here?

    • Super analysis

      But press propaganda can only get 95% approval if the population has been "seasoned" via the education system

      link to haaretz.com

      " There is no discussion about the topic of racism in the school and there probably will not be,” the principal admits. “We are not prepared for the deep, long-term process that’s necessary. Even though I am constantly aware of the problem, it is far from being dealt with. It stems in the first place from the home, the community and the society, and it’s hard for us to cope with it. You have to remember that another reason it’s hard to deal with the problem is that it also exists among the teachers. Issues such as ‘human dignity’ or ‘humanism’ are in any case considered left-wing, and anyone who addresses them is considered tainted.”
      Threat of noise
      Prof. Yoram Harpaz is a senior lecturer at Beit Berl Teachers College and the editor of Hed Hahinuch, a major educational journal. Recalling the recent promise of Education Minister Shay Piron that classes in the first two weeks of the coming school year will be devoted to “emotional and social aspects of the summer’s events,” including “manifestations of racism and incitement,” Harpaz observes that schools in their present format “are incapable of dealing with the racist personality and identity.”
      He adds: “The schools are not geared for this. They can only impart basic knowledge and skills, hold examinations on them and grade the students. In fact, they have a hard time doing even that. In classes of 40 students, with a strict curriculum and exams that have to be held, it is impossible to engage in values-based education.”
      Yaron, a senior lecturer in sociology at Ashkelon Academic College, emphasizes how important teachers and the principal (and the education system in general) feel it is to stick to the curriculum and the lessons schedule – two islands of quiet amid a risk-laden reality.
      “Doing this makes it possible for the teachers not to enter a dynamic sphere, which obligates openness and is liable to open a Pandora’s box, too,” he notes. “The greatest threat to the teacher is that there will be noise – that someone will complain, that an argument will break out, etc. That danger looms especially large in subjects that interest young people, such as sexuality, ethnicity, violence and racism. Teachers lack the tools to cope with these issues, so they are outsourced, which only emasculates educational personnel even more.”
      The demand for quiet in the schools is not only an instrumental matter, deriving from the difficulty of keeping order in the classroom. There is also an ideological aspect involved. In general, there is a whole series of subjects that are not recommended for discussion in schools, such as the Nakba (or “catastrophe,” the term used by Palestinians to denote the establishment of the State of Israel), human rights and the morality of Israeli army operations. This was one of the reasons for the warnings issued by Tel Aviv University and Ben-Gurion University of the Negev during the fighting in the Gaza Strip about “extreme and offensive remarks.”
      Harpaz: “In Israel, the most political country there is, political education has not been developed as a discipline in which high-school students are taught how to think critically about political attitudes, or the fact that those attitudes are always dependent on a particular viewpoint and on vested interests.”
      What, then, can be done? According to Harpaz, the solution will not be found in discussions between the homeroom teacher and the students. Nor is a condemnation, however late, by the education minister sufficient. A more radical change is needed.
      “Values and outlooks are acquired in a lengthy process of identification with ‘significant others,’ such as teachers,” Harpaz explains. “This means that every aspect of the schools – patterns of teaching, evaluation methods, curricula, the physical structure and the cultural climate – has to change in the direction of becoming far more dialogical and democratic.”
      And he has one more recommendation: not to flee from political and moral dilemmas, or from possible criticism. “Our leaders are so fearful of criticism, but they don’t understand that critical education is what generates close ties and caring. We get angry at those we love.”

      And G-d didn't design Israel's education system. Right wing Zionists did. It's a feeder for the IDF. And the IDF can't run the occupation like it used to. System crisis.

      American Jews of the same age do not grow up in the same system of hate and narcissism.

      Also how are those Israeli kids supposed to compete internationally ?

  • Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade
    • Thanks for the link Kay

      this was on Wikipedia about the MGs

      " In 1969, Duck Dunn and Booker T. Jones, in particular, had become enamored with The Beatles, especially their work on Abbey Road. The appreciation was mutual, as The Beatles had patterned a lot of what they did on the M.G.'s. John Lennon was a huge Stax fan who fondly called the group, "Book a Table and the Maitre D's" (in 1974, Lennon facetiously credited himself and his studio band as "Dr. Winston And Booker Table And The Maitre d's" on his original R&B-inspired instrumental, "Beef Jerky".). Paul McCartney, like Dunn, played bass melodically, without straying from the rhythm or the groove. It was obvious through each of their playing that they admired one another. After being locked away in the Memphis studio, when the company embarked on the "Hit the Road, Stax!" tour of 1967, The Beatles sent limos to the airport and bent down to kiss Steve Cropper's ring.[citation needed] The M.G.'s had no idea, until then, of the impact they were having on the rest of the world. Lennon was quoted as saying he always wanted to write an instrumental for the M.G.'s".

    • and it's the end of the notion that Gaza is sui generis and not part of the Palestinian nation . Sharon's disengagement lies in ruins

    • Walid

      I wonder what sort of pressure was put on Netanyahu from outside. Obama hates him already but the war was a disaster for the Jewish diaspora, very bad for the Israeli economy and very very bad for hasbara. They could kill as many as they wanted but they couldn't manage the repercussions.
      Netanyahu is a complete spoofer.

    • Were you aware of the Israeli Palestinian conflict last april, Gene ?
      link to ft.com

      “I call on all responsible elements in the international community not to run to recognise a Palestinian government of which Hamas is a part or which rests on Hamas,” Mr Netanyahu said in remarks before the weekly meeting of his cabinet.
      “Hamas is a terrorist organisation that calls for the destruction of Israel, and the international community must not embrace it. This will not strengthen peace; it will strengthen terrorism.”

    • Gene

      It's the economy, stupid. Zionism is going to fall over the economy. Yossi Israeli likes lawnmowing but if his back is to the wall he prefers shopping.

    • The difference this time is the economic damage done to Israel. 51 days was twice as long as the previous lawnmowing episodes.
      And the South of Israel was into bomb shelters very frequently
      IDF had a very bad war.

      If Israel breaks the terms the rockets will probably come out again.

      MJR has a good analysis
      link to mjrosenberg.net

      Israel puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose

    • I can't wait for
      a the AIPAC conference
      b Yom Kippur

      link to haaretz.com

      "Without a formal discussion, without a vote, in laconic telephone updates with members of the security cabinet – that is how the government of Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu in August 2014 approved a cease-fire agreement with a terror organization. The same Benjamin Netanyahu who ran for election five years ago, after Operation Cast Lead, on the platform that the mission had not been accomplished, that Hamas rule had to be destroyed and that he was the only one who could do it.

      Netanyahu's conduct during the 50 days of fighting in Gaza highlighted the gap between his statements and promises and the reality. The prime minister, who was the most strident in his statement against Hamas, ended the confrontation with the organization in the weakest position. All he wanted was to achieve a cease-fire at just about any price. When the opportunity came, he simply grabbed it and ran."

      Remember what Shavit said when Kerry offered a deal that was more favourable to Israel than the one Netanyahu accepted ?

      link to haaretz.com

      " But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ruined everything. Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a “strategic terrorist attack.” His decision to go hand in hand with Qatar and Turkey, and formulate a framework amazingly similar to the Hamas framework, was catastrophic. It put wind in the sails of Hamas’ political leader Khaled Meshal, allowed the Hamas extremists to overcome the Hamas moderates, and gave renewed life to the weakened regional alliance of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      The Obama administration proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends. The man of peace from Massachusetts intercepted with his own hands the reasonable cease-fire that was within reach, and pushed both the Palestinians and Israelis toward an escalation that most of them did not want.

      So that is why everything now hangs in the balance. Hamas is exhausted, but fanning the flames time after time. Israel is showing restraint time after time. Netanyahu and Ya’alon are still managing a battle against those who may very well entangle Israel in a real war. But the way Kerry played into the hands of Turkey and Qatar, and the extremist Palestinians and Israelis, has created a situation that is still quite dangerous.

      If Israel is forced to ultimately undertake an expanded ground operation in which dozens of young Israelis and hundreds of Palestinian civilians could lose their lives, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry. "

      Obama hated Netanyahu's guts before July. I bet the hatred runs even deeper now.

    • Biggest Israeli casualty was ha tourism business
      Ha IDF deterrence was also gravely wounded.
      Ha Hasbara is paralysed
      Ha economy lost $60m per day
      Ha ha ha

    • Isn't it just perfect ? Beautiful piece of music .

    • link to theguardian.com
      "The Palestinian government has urged foreign states with citizens serving in the Israeli military to investigate them for alleged war crimes committed during the current war in Gaza.

      Riad al-Malki, the Palestinian foreign minister, wrote to the governments of the UK, US, France, Australia, Canada, South Africa and five Latin American countries on Tuesday, reminding them that all states are obliged under international law to investigate alleged violations, including war crimes, committed by their nationals. Malki said that governments should warn their citizens that they could be liable for investigation and prosecution.

      Thousands of soldiers with dual nationality are conscripted into the Israel Defence Forces, while non-Israelis also volunteer under the IDF's Mahal programme, which invites Jews from other countries to serve in combat and support roles for up to 18 months. The IDF did not respond to a request for figures.

      Malki's letter, which was also sent to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, sets out the requirements under international law for governments to investigate alleged violations over which they have jurisdiction, including the actions of their nationals."

    • Bernie Sanders won't be happy
      link to youtube.com

      Naftali "Hamas is committing self genocide" looks stupid now
      link to youtube.com

      What will US senators say now ?
      link to youtube.com

      Mark Regev unlikely to get a bonus this year
      link to youtube.com

      Great work done by Jon Snow
      link to youtube.com

      and Dr Mads Gilbert

    • Ceasefire according to the 2012 deal- what happened to those conditions ? Israel broke every single one of them.

      Massive political clusterfuck in Israel ahead. Bennett and Lieberman say no to ceasefire and Netanyahu has 38% approval. 95% Jewish approval for the carnage - they are hardly going to give in on the siege just like that.

      The economy is already slowing down.

      Time is tight for Zionism to pull a rabbit out of the hat

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