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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed. - "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • Rabbi in Ohio U. controversy leads group that denies there's an occupation
  • ASA statement on Salaita: An 'assault against the Program in American Indian Studies at UIUC '
    • Just

      I would go further and ask what Zionists are doing interfering with university issues when Zionism is a total cult where no questions are tolerated- hardly the sort of background that can be expected to add anything to education. ...

      I miss Neil Postman.

    • I would like to know WTF Zionism has to contribute to the study of Native American issues other than being the Palestinian equivalent of manifest destiny.

  • Life after a massacre: The story of Ahmed and Mahmoud
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      According to a recent study by the Palestinian Authority, Israeli bombings in the Gaza Strip razed about 17,000 homes, and estimated reconstruction to about $7.8 billion, two and a half times Gaza's gross domestic product.

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      Don’t name the dead children.
      The people must not know the names
      of the dead children.
      The names of the children must be hidden.
      The children must be nameless.
      The children must leave this world
      having no names.
      No one must know the names of
      the dead children.
      No one must say the names of the
      dead children.
      No one must even think that the children
      have names.
      People must understand that it would be dangerous
      to know the names of the children.
      The people must be protected from
      knowing the names of the children.
      The names of the children could spread
      like wildfire.
      The people would not be safe if they knew
      the names of the children.
      Don’t name the dead children.
      Don’t remember the dead children.
      Don’t think of the dead children.
      Don’t say: ‘dead children’.

      And don't think of all the injured children either
      Say "Israeli Jews are moral people"

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      "Tell her they want to drive us into the sea.

      Tell her we kill far more of them

      Dont tell her that

      Tell her that

      Tell her we're stronger

      Tell her we're entitled

      Tell her they dont understand anything except violence

      Tell her we want peace

      Tell her we're going swimming"

      Or otherwise jerk off to pictures of IDF women who served up death in Gaza

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  • 'NYT' finds a model relationship for Palestinians and Israelis: collaborator and his handler
    • I don't think that Israel thought much over the Gaza operation other than releasing some summer steam and ratcheting up support from Yossi Israeli via the blood of innocents, comme il faut.

      If they had thought about the potential to cleave a wedge between US Jews under 40 and sabras they wouldn't have done it.

    • Sassan

      Nice try but it seems you have no idea of the PR losses sustained by Israel in July/Augu

      There was nothing Ayaan Hirsi ali or Jewish music execs could do

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      Where are the rock stars expressing solidarity with Israel’s right to defend itself or pausing between songs to explain that every day is harrowing for Israeli civilians who are attacked by rockets and threatened by terror tunnels leading to their homes, playgrounds and streets?
      They feel bullied by a confederacy of industry “liberals,” who dismiss anyone who doesn’t uphold the party line of Israel as an oppressor and the cause of all evil in the region.
      “I just get so emotional, I try not to post too much,” says Regina Joskow, director of publicity at Rounder Records. “I feel like I bang my head against the wall when I share reality, not a bleeding heart fantasy.“
      Instead of going toe-to-toe with rhetoric, she does the only sane thing she can think of. “I’ve been blocking and unfriending people like mad,” she says. “I really hate seeing people’s true colors.” What Joskow is referring to are doctored images, such as that of beach-goers in Tel Aviv cheering the deaths in Gaza, which are reposted endlessly - because it promotes a depiction of Israelis as dehumanized brutes.

      24. “I give artists like Rihanna the benefit of the doubt,” he says. “It’s normal for a well-intentioned person to see all the blood and death and want to say something about it. Sometimes they get out ahead of themselves before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves and think things through.” For example, when asked whether there had been anyone encouraging Selena Gomez to clarify her “Pray for Gaza” post by adding that she wasn’t “picking any sides,” her publicist replied “no comment.”
      like #FreePalestine? “It’s usually within character,” he says. “Any normal person has to feel for this tragedy. I view Rihanna’s post as innocent. Everyone’s allowed to have his or her opinion. And hopefully they’ll educate themselves.

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      But it is also contemptible that some apologists hurl charges of anti-semitism at all Israel’s critics — many of whom are admirers of so much that this great nation has achieved.
      Most of us merely attack Israeli excesses as we do those of Russia, Burma, China, Syria, the U.S. or any other government that deploys disproportionate violence against those at its mercy.Israel’s people deserve a less unworthy leader than Benjamin Netanyahu, and a higher vision than that of reducing Gaza to rubble.

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      "For Israel, this is a war against Hamas that started a few weeks ago. Outsiders increasingly see it as war against Gaza for years, and against Palestinians for decades. In that environment, it doesn't matter who fired at the UN school."

      The NYT can spin that hasbara music but nobody's dancing

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    • "Hamas has global religious ideological agendas that are very very dangerous"

      Called justice. Runs in traditional Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Catholicism and the Protestant Churches as well as all traditional religion.
      Zionism dies if it comes into contact with justice.

  • On the use of provocative analogies (Nazism, fascism)
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      "Yeshayahu Leibowitz understood this already 60 years ago, when he wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.”
      Less than six years after the creation of a sovereign state with a powerful army, Leibowitz wrote that the “real religious and moral meaning of our political rebirth and the return to our hands of the use of force” would be a severe test for Jews who were too accustomed to being victims. “Can we prove capable not only of suffering for these values we exalted, but also acting upon them?” he asked. “It’s easy to suffer, physically and materially for values, even to sacrifice our lives: that necessitates only physical courage which exists in surprising quantities among all human gatherings. It’s difficult to suffer for values, when this suffering means also giving up things which are also seen as values.”
      In the decades after 1967, Leibowitz would be excoriated by the right wing for his fierce criticism of the occupation which he, perhaps inexcusably, described as “Judeo-Nazi.” But he was speaking as a fervent Zionist who was one of the first to see how the success of Zionism meant we had to realize we were no longer victims and that victory came with a moral price. It was “the great test we are faced with by national liberation, political independence and sovereign power — as a nation, a society and a culture which for generations had the privilege of mental and spiritual enjoyment in exile, foreign-rule and self-impotence.” "

    • Israel doesn't respect international law or the laws of war.
      Not a good sign in terms of fascism.

    • I think Nazism is not the fullest expression of absolute evil. At least they left behind a functioning global climate .

      Climate denial and what it will mean in places like India mean the Kochs are probably worse than Hitler given what is going to happen in terms of global food.

    • He was a seer . Thanks for the video, Shmuel. It's a keeper.

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      "I vividly recall Yeshayahu Leibovitz in a talk I attended where he asserted how evil it was for Israel to be engaged in an occupation of another people. He predicted it would tear up Israeli society and compromise the moral standing of its soldiers. "

      I don't think it matter if you call it Nazi or not. It's a slow suicide, and that is all that counts.

  • Ohio University filibuster: harangue or free speech?
    • Bobcat for Israel shows that hasbara is dead.
      Gay marriage advocates never gave up- why can't Zionists argue their corner any longer? Why the need for all the timewasting horseshit ?

  • Yale Jewish center to hold 'intellectual' panel on storm over ousted priest's comments-- without inviting the priest
    • "It says that “Jews are worried,” because of demonstrations in Europe that remind us of 1939'.

      How do ordinary people who are sickened by Israel hold Zionism to account? Every other avenue is cut off so BDS it is. It's not 1939redux. It's upholding a racist social order.

    • People are sick of the duplicity and brutality. Israel has no interest in a Palestinian state and whining anti-Semitism and shutting down debate isn't going to stop the criticism. It's not like they have any hasbara to defend their behaviour either.

    • And rilly stupid in assuming that history has ended and happily ever after y colorin colorado.

    • I wonder for how much longer the bots will be able to shut down debate over the Zionist car crash in the Levant.
      Perhaps it would help if every victim of theirs could point out the systemic nature of what is happening to the media.

      Zionism is paranoid .

  • Photo-cartoon making Tutu into Hitler is published then taken down by South African Jewish paper
    • Message to bot everywhere - don't mess with justice seekers.

      Don't mess with Archbishop Tutu

      Take it away, Sidney

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    • Hitler of course monitored everything that went on in Germany via his secret police

      And so does Israel in the territories

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      "When I enlisted into the intelligence unit, I thought I would deal with prevention of terrorism and do whatever was necessary to protect national security. Throughout my service, I discovered that many Israeli initiatives within the Palestinian arena are directed at things that are not related to intelligence. I worked a lot on gathering information on political issues. Some could be seen as related to objectives that serve security needs, such as the suppression of Hamas institutions, while others could not. Some were political objectives that did not even fall within the Israeli consensus, such as strengthening Israel’s stance at the expense of the Palestinian position. Such objectives do not serve the security system but rather agendas of certain politicians.

      I had a really hard time with some of the things we did, as did the people who were with me in my section. Regarding one project in particular, many of us were shocked as we were exposed to it. Clearly it was not something we as soldiers were supposed to do. The information was almost directly transferred to political players and not to other sections of the security system. This made it clear to me that we were dealing with information that was hardly connected to security needs.

      We knew the detailed medical conditions of some of our targets, and our goals developed around them. I’m not sure what was done with this information. I felt bad knowing each of their precise problems, and that we would talk and laugh about this information freely. Or, for instance, that we knew exactly who was cheating on their wife, with whom, and how often"

      But of course Jews wouldn't do that

    • This and Galloway beaten up and death threats against the young woman who was involved in the fake blood ice bucket- the people who speak for Israel have lost it.
      Israel is going down when this is all they can do.

  • Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants
    • Surely BDS is insignificant Palikari? Why would you even bother mentioning it ?

    • Mooser

      As Neil Postman, a true Mensch, once said

      "One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of crap"

      And this insight is very Zen when talking about Zionism. Or any other systematic thuggery.

    • Violence and injustice are not Jewish values

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      "Our power thankfully gives us the privilege and the obligation to ask, "Will you sweep away the innocent with the guilty?" (Genesis 18:23) The debate is certainly about the wellbeing of our soldiers and our citizens. But, it is also about what we have wrought in Gaza. Saying, "We're heartbroken, but it's Hamas' fault” is a kanei ratzutz (a bent reed used as a sop to our conscience) if we could have defended ourselves without the carnage and/or if we could have avoided the situation all together.
      I also believe that the wellbeing of my children and society is best served by moving beyond endless cycles of violence. Hillel the Elder saw a skull floating in water and declared, "You were drowned because you drowned others. Those who drowned you will themselves be drowned” (Pirkei Avot 2:7). The big picture is that violence doesn't serve our interests. Neither does injustice: "The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and justice denied" (Pirkei Avot 5:11). "

    • "In the largest act of conscientious objection in Israel in more than a decade, more than 40 "

      There are 176,500 soldiers in the IDF and "more than 40 are conscientious objectors". There are more transsexuals in the IDF than people of conscience. Total brainwash.

    • What is most disturbing about this is the amorality and the fact that so many Israeli Jews are "just following orders".

    • "For D., happened after he was released from the military when he saw the movie, “The Lives of Others,” about Stasi agents from communist East Germany, who eavesdrop on people and invade their personal lives. “I was horrified,” he said. “On the one hand, I identified with the victims, with the oppressed side, whose basic rights were denied. On the other hand, I suddenly understood that in my military service, I was on the side of the oppressor, that we are doing the exact same thing, only in a much more efficient manner.”…"

      Couldn't have happened at school while he was being brainwashed. And how many Israelis ever make the connections ?

    • Blackmailing people who need urgent medical treatment is despicable. It's another of the profoundly cruel costs of a dud Jewish state.
      Deir Yassin didn't justify it and neither does this.

  • Israeli military demolishes West Bank dairy factory benefitting orphans despite court appeal
    • "Israel is J lee Cobb"


      This ban on copying top class insights in the comments is really annoying.
      I was thinking of starting a sub but Phil can forget it as long as the ban runs.

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      "At the moment, it still seems possible to prevent the truce from breaking down at the end of this month. But the almost complete absence of reconstruction work in Gaza and Hamas’ difficulty in presenting any real achievements from the war are increasing the risk that the fighting will resume.
      Under the cease-fire agreement Egypt brokered in late August, the parties are supposed to return to Cairo around September 25 to negotiate over a longer-term truce. Hamas has recently been sending conflicting messages. Its military wing says it will resume the war if the organization’s demands aren’t met. But Moussa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of Hamas’ political wing who lives in Cairo, says the possibility of progress in the talks must first be thoroughly explored.
      As Haaretz reported on August 31, senior Israel Defense Forces officers have advised the government to be generous about easing the partial blockade of Gaza, on the theory that starting to repair the massive damage Gaza suffered is essential to prevent renewed fighting. Among other recommendations, they urged significantly easing movement through the border crossings and expanding Gaza’s fishing zone.
      Netanyahu and Ya'alon's political bind
      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon appear to understand that such steps are necessary, but are caught in a political bind: Hamas will present any such measures as concessions wrested from Israel by the fighting, which in turn will expose Netanyahu and Ya’alon to further criticism from their already unhappy right-wing base. "

    • I think we need a new movement called Tikkun Israel

      Tikkun Israel (Hebrew) is a new Hebrew phrase that means "repairing Israel " (or "Zionism is really f#cked up ") which suggests humanity's shared responsibility to heal, repair and transform Israel given that the Jewish diaspora is apparently not interested.

      In Judaism, the concept of tikkun olam originated in the early rabbinic period. The concept was given new meanings in the kabbalah of the medieval period and has come to possess further connotations in modern Judaism. This was all dismissed as gibberish by the early Zionists and the results are pretty sick so we have to try to help before it all goes down in flames.

    • Thank you Kelly. Israel has an apparently incurable mental illness.

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      "One may say that this single-opinion politics reflects public opinion. That the unity of the people and its uniformity are positive phenomena - but they are not. This depressing unity reflects intellectual paralysis and ideological stagnation. When was the last time a new idea was raised here, however small? An idea that has never before been uttered? Everything is turning upside down in our region, except for Israel’s policies: Its wars are revolve around preserving the status quo.
      And what is the Israeli chorus asking for? That the occupation continue, the blockade be extended and that life in Israel be quiet. A second opnion, just like after visiting a doctor? Here there is no second opinion; there is barely a first opinion - and it is yesterday’s opinion.
      Between most of the political parties in Israel there is only one party line, and it is a line of conservatism and pretending. The two-state solution, for example, is seemingly the view of the majority; most parties support it and no one has done anything to carry it out. The opposite is true; Israel - that of the right and of the center-left - has done everything to destroy it. The success was made a long time ago and two-state solution has died. Few applauded, even fewer acted; and the most important thing, no one offered an alternative idea, even when it was quite clear that the solution was no longer relevant.
      This stagnation will give birth to a disaster; this single-mindedness forebodes tragedy. It is not just a case of losing one’s way, but of harm to democracy, too. And what exactly will we get in the elections if the Netanyahu government - the most right-wing in the history of Israel - falls? A government to the right of it, maybe similar. If once it was common to say “two Israelis, three opinions,” now, three Israelis barely hold one opinion - and it is very right-wing. What is even worse is that this opinion belongs to yesterday. "

  • University of Illinois trustees vote to reject Salaita reinstatement
  • Ohio student leader who dropped bucket of blood for Gaza receives vicious death threats
    • Perhaps spend a lot of time listening to Azealia Banks - possibly because their grandparents met her parents on the freedom rides when the Zionists worked so hard for civil rights.

    • The abuse is very misogynistic too. Appalling language. Hard to believe Zionists are so fond of the gay community when they can come out with such abuse against women.

    • One of the big selling points of Zionism and the return to Shangri La was that there would be Jewish policemen and Jewish farmers and Jewish traffic wardens all in one Jewish state.
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      And now we see Jewish death threats and Jewish psychopaths and it is really so good to see such variety in the community.

    • “Not only must the Palestinians be released from their oppression, the Israelis must be released from their fear.” -

      Reform the education system.
      The IDF needs scared citizens to get the pork barrels.

    • "We Jews marched for civil rights" but they didn't cost anything, unlike civil rights in Erez Israel.

    • Yom Kippur has been extended for an extra 24 hours this year.

  • J Street can't tie Israel's latest 'illegal land grab' to cutting US aid
    • Israel probably won't be around by 2060. It needs treatment now.

    • J Street should think outside the box and link up with funding from sympathetic people in Germany . How much would they need anyway ?

    • J street's problem is funding. They are like a woman trying to leave prostitution who keeps going back for the money. They have no choice other than to say what their donors want them to say.
      Appealing to the better nature of their donors is pointless. They are bastards.

      Finkelstein nailed it in that Defamation video. Those rich Jews from NY and Miami are the worst thing that ever happened to Israel. They are also behind Prof Salaita's agony.

    • Livni is a Hebrew Version of Hillary.
      She's as much part of the system as her right wing opponents.

  • ISIS and Israel allies against a Palestinian state
    • The other thing about the stupid Bibi comparison is that Hamas executed maybe 15 collaborators while Israel blew up more than that number of whole families.
      But you won't hear that in Israel. So many key points never make it into the discourse in Hebrew.

    • Israel's insistence that the Palestinians are barbarians took a big hit during the last round of child killing.

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      Israel runs a protection racket in Gaza and the currency of the system is massive doses of violence so nobody gets to uppity and starts looking for their rights.

      A lot of people saw that close up in July and August.
      And 95% Israel Jewish approval was the gilding of the turd .

  • The rise of 'If Not Now' and the collapse of the pro-Israel consensus
    • It didn't really matter without Jewish agency, Mooser. If the rabbi and Moshe had a big argument going back years in Vitebsk in the 16th century nobody in London knew about it.

      Now the power factor magnifies it and it means the crash is going to be far worse.
      A lot of the nonsense is on the internet too ie forever. That 's also fairly serious.

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      "Israel's finance minister Naftali Bennett has given an unapologetic interview to Sky News, accusing Hamas of using their own civilians as human shields, adding that "you fight back - there is no proportionality when you fight terror."

      Did the Nazis ever put the Shoah in that sort of frame, I wonder . They could have, if Israel can.

    • It's not so much a void in the Jewish community as a black hole.

      Private eye magazine in the UK in the current issue has 2 letters from Jews on 2 different subjects. One is Jewish ritual slaughter (shechita) and the other is from an IDF apologist who claims that the Gaza death toll was manipulated by the Palestinians, that Hamas killed its own people when bombs dropped short and that the stats are not to be trusted. Rhe guy who wrote about shechita says Jewish law has very strict rules against killing animals for sport.

      Someone, ideally a rabbi, should designate Palestinians as honorary animals so that they can't be shot just for fun. It would be kosher.

      And what a mess it all is.

  • Salaita speaks out and warns of a 'Palestinian exception' to the first amendment and academic freedom
    • "Steven Salaita talks about his termination". Could some PR hack not come up with formulation to bring anti abortion activists on board? A coalition of the willing against the bots. Flush them out into the light, their ultimate nightmare.

    • And the lobby in DC is Zionism's magic underwear.
      But it's very soiled now.

    • Salaita has a teaching moment here alright and he could use it to draw attention to the thousands of people whose careers have been destroyed by Zionism.

      “It was a technique which the Zionists were to employ throughout their struggle. The technique of promoting damaging personal attacks on those who stood in their way rather than trying to counter their arguments.”
      “Such non conformists were subtly made aware that their jobs might be at risk, their books unpublishable, their preferment out of the question, their public reputations vulnerable if they did not renounce the heresy of anti Zionism ”
      Publish it not, Mayhew and Adams, 1975

  • Freed by Gaza, Spiegelman calls Israel out as a batterer
    • Of course!

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      "main component of the "authoritarian personality" is being susceptible to anti-Semitic ideology and anti-democratic political beliefs"

      We'll prolly have to organize a conference to nail the diagnosis down

    • Louise is no Mensch.

    • Shalev was worse than Dersh, who is a cartoon character anyway. He does not accept Israeli responsibility for what is going on in Israeli society.
      That's pathetic.
      Hamas have nothing to do with how Israeli education is run or where Israeli money is spent.

    • Mooser

      the Torah doesn't get too granular but this stuff would be covered under the injunction not to be a loud mouthed asshole who alienates everyone around him.

    • Israel's diagnosis goes way deeper than "batterer". There is a personality disorder on top of victim mentality, a lack of compassion, untreated trauma going back 4 generations, delusions of grandeur and a chronic addiction to violence, severe communication difficulties, Jerusalem syndrome and social ineptitude. That's just page 1.

    • The motive was revenge, explained thus

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      "For Israelis, the nightmare of your son's phone ringing, unanswered, wipes away all the self-confidence that citizens of the Jewish state have built for themselves. That fear burrows into a national psyche that defines what Israel is about for its Jewish majority – a country that was founded and its entire military force built up so that no Jewish child should ever be captured and spirited away again. No other political arguments or realities apply. As far as they are concerned, that is Israel's core purpose."

      and thus

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      "In Israel there is a special sensitivity to kidnappings, as we saw in the Gilad Shalit case, and as we are seeing now. But the response should be carefully considered: This is a serious terror attack that requires a harsh response, and those responsible must be found."

      and with and overdose of self righteousness

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      "Last week, at the funeral of the three Jewish teens, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke of the huge moral chasm between us and the Palestinians. "

      500 kids later they went for a ceasefire

      The US got over 911 but Israel can't get over its Palestinian thing.
      And the Palestinians are the rational ones now. Life is funny.

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      "Can I feel sorry for myself as well as for my enemy? Surely I can. For the sorrow springs from the same source: their failure to bring back with them to the homeland that beautiful and ideal dream in which the space where they flourish leaves the same, or enough space for me. "

    • And 95% approval and bombing hospitals as well as centres for the disabled and this

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      "Many years ago Golda Meir engaged in hyperbolic overgeneralization when she said that peace will come “when Palestinians love their children more than they hate Israel.” Most Palestinians love their children. Many do hate Israel, because they have been taught to hate for generations. But more and more of them are coming to realize that the real enemy is not Israel, which left the Gaza Strip in 2005 and offered to leave most of the West Bank in 2000, 2001 and 2007. The real enemies of the Palestinians are those Hamas leaders who do in fact love Palestinian children less than they hate Israel. That’s why they are prepared to use these children as human sacrifices in their efforts to destroy the nation state of the Jewish people."

      and this
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      "Because although the occupation itself has hardened Israeli hearts and turned them callous, it is Hamas that planted the seed of the poisoned plant that is now infecting Israeli society with chauvinism and ethnocentrism and intolerance and racism and bloodthirstiness and anti-democratic tendencies. Because the more Hamas’ persists in its horrid ways, the greater the danger that Israel will follow in its path."

      they have made their bed and they lie for it

    • From a parallel literary universe, Harry "Rabbit" Angstrom, who has converted on the advice of Shmuley B

      Pru and Roy and Nelson retreat into their room and he sits a while and watches while Judaism, the remote control in hand, bounces back and forth between The Bloomberg Show, some IDF capades, and a scare documentary about Iranians buying up American businesses, and then between old Joan Rivers videos and a drama about saving a fourteen year-old girl from becoming a thinker like her mother. So many emergencies, Harry thinks, so much canned laughter, so many actors' tears, all this Zionist effort to be happy, to be brave, to be loved, all this wasted effort.

      And re Joan Rivers- this is very funny

    • Gaza turned a lot of people off. MJR's 'Netanyahu is a fucking barbarian" comment captured the moment.

      What doesn't get enough attention is the collapse of basic civic values in Israeli society. There is no trust, no space for justice or curiosity . It's run by other values now.

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