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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • 'No food, no water to revive awaiting certain death...': Horrifying report from Khuza'a village following Israeli attack
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      "The website “Walla!” published talkback comments on an article about the four children killed on the Gaza beach. Shani Moyal: “I couldn’t care less that Arab children were killed, too bad it wasn’t more. Well done to the IDF.” Stav Sabah: “Really, these are great pictures. They make me so happy, I want to look at them again and again.” Sharon Avishi: “Only four? Too bad. We hoped for more.” Daniela Turgeman: “Great. We need to kill all the children.” Chaya Hatnovich: “There isn’t a more beautiful picture than those of dead Arab children.” Orna Peretz: “Why only four?” Rachel Cohen: “I’m not for children dying in Gaza. I’m for everyone burning.” Tami Mashan: “As many children as possible should die.”

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      "Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b] Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”

      5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to the Lord.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry."

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      "In an interview with Sky News this morning British foreign secretary Philip Hammond has reiterated the view that Israel has a legitimate right to defend itself but warned that international sympathy was running out.

      On a visit to the region, he told Sky News that his clear message to Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu was "as the campaign goes on and civilian casualties mount, western public opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less sympathetic to Israel".

      Hammond said Britain was urging Israel to move towards a cease fire but it "takes two to tango."

      He said: "We are appealing to Israel [to consider] their western values and do everything they can to exercise their legitimately right to self defence while minimising the damage caused."

      He added that discussions were ongoing with Hamas, but the negotiations did not involve the UK and "had to be through the channels that Egypt had created".

      Asked about the impact of a UNHCR decision to carry out a war crimes investigation, he said:

      "I think that is a clear message as the campaign goes on and civilian casualties mount, western public opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less sympathetic to Israel. That is simply a fact."

      He added: "It is also the case that the longer the campaign goes on the stronger Hamas becomines politically."

    • Slaughter in Gaza- remember who is watching.

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      :What slices American Jewry into segments is age. Anyone over 70 remembers the Holocaust and is religiously committed to Israel. Anyone over 50 remembers the younger Israel and finds it hard to free himself of its charm. But anyone under 30 experiences a duality: On one hand, he is drawn to the Israel of high-tech and Tel Aviv and night life, but on the other hand, he is horrified by the Israel of the “price-tag” attacks and the exclusion of women. When this duality comes into contact with a hostile left-wing atmosphere, the results are devastating. Many students at Harvard and Columbia and Stanford feel that current Israeli politics makes it hard for them to love Israel.
      Thus when Netanyahu is getting high on the sweeping support of the American Jewish establishment, he is disconnected from reality. He has no idea where the new America stands, and he has no idea where young Jews stand. He doesn’t understand what’s happening at the universities where he himself studied. The first Israeli prime minister to speak perfect English speaks 1970s- and 1980s-era American."

      Israel deserves the crash that is coming.

    • The First Handwringing Brigade of Liberal Judaism is due to parachute in bromides in the next few minutes.

  • On ‘Death to Arabs’ in Jerusalem & Tel Aviv
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      "Then a month ago, in honor of Jerusalem Day, dozens of students banged on doors in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City while crying out, “Destroy the seed of Amalek,” “The Temple will be rebuilt, the mosque burned,” “Mohammed is dead,” and “Death to Arabs.

      A year ago, with another wave of hate crimes in the background, I visited a high school in Jerusalem. There were students there who declared they hated all the Arabs, that they did not want to see Arabs anywhere — “Not in the street, not in the mall, not on the light rail” — alongside others who offered a more complex message. Research and surveys in the last 20 years show that the strength of the first group has grown steadily, while the second group is shrinking and going silent. Hatred has become a major component in the personal and group identity of our youth. It is present all the time, and sometimes, in some places and depending on the events, it also rears its head toward immigrants and leftists. "

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      "The secretary-general of World Bnei Akiva – a religious youth movement that used to be moderate – demanded this week that Israeli soldiers be turned into an army of revenge and not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins. The head of the Jewish Identity Administration that Bennett established, a former IDF chief rabbi, demanded “state vengeance.” Fully 52 percent of Jewish first-graders study in religious or ultra-Orthodox schools, and most are imbibing the theology that “you [the Jews] are called man, and the nations of the world are not call man.”
      At the demonstration where those who burned a boy alive met up, demonstrators shouted the chant that has taken over the Beitar Jerusalem soccer team: “The Jew is a great soul; the Arab is a son of a bitch.” This isn’t a superficial slogan. In the theology of the generation trained by the establishment’s education system, Jews are told that non-Jews have no soul. Non-Jews have only the same animal spirit that beasts do. Only Jews have a truly human soul, to which the commandment “do not murder” applies. It’s not by chance that the influential ultra-Orthodox kabbalist Rabbi David Batzri said, “The Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are Satan. They are donkeys and beasts.”
      And who will change this? The education minister – who was appointed thanks to secular votes – who ruled that it’s forbidden to sell an apartment to Arabs? And he even based himself on the Biblical verse “Thou shalt show no mercy to them” (Deuteronomy 7:2) – the religious commandment of this generation, which has three elements: It’s forbidden to show favor to non-Jews; it’s forbidden to give them a foothold in the land; and it’s forbidden to pity them.
      The era of self-deception has ended. This is the face of the regime. This is the face of those who control most of the regime’s education and religion. A rabbi like Shmuel Eliyahu, who rails against selling or renting to Arabs and encourages violence against them, has been promoted to the role of spiritual guide to the Magen David Adom ambulance service. "

      Don't forget the elites who feed the monster
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      "Both morality and the rule of law demand equal treatment of all murders. They also demand an acknowledgment of the difference between the deliberate murder of innocent civilians and the legitimate military actions of a government seeking to protect its citizens, even when those military actions cause unavoidable civilian casualties among the human shields widely employed by Israel’s enemies. "

      But liberal Judaism will save the day and Israeli democracy is strong.

    • "As the mobs stroll through the streets, its total toleration from passersby and police deflate any hope I may have in the future of a harmonious Jewish/Arab coexistence"

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    • Or watch the videos

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  • 9 Reasons why Israel is under rocket attack 
    • 10 Impunity
      11 the gap between the cover of the lobby and the weakness of hasbara in the wider world

      And violence works both ways

  • It's time for liberal Jewish bodies to take a stand
    • Liberal Jews should walk away now. Israel is set on YESHA, set on apartheid, set on regular massacres

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      "As Israel’s political relations fray with the EU – and some question its relationship with the US – Mr Netanyahu’s government is seeking to diversify its economic relations by strengthening ties with faster-growing countries.“The lesson we learnt from the recent experience negotiating with the EU over Horizon 2020 was that Israel cannot put all of its eggs in one basket,” says Naftali Bennett, Israel’s economy minister and head of the rightwing, pro-settler Jewish Home party. “We need to scatter them.”
      Another government official, reflecting on a recent visit by Chinese politicians to Israel, put matters more bluntly: “They don’t care about the [Palestinian] issue,” the official said. “They want to talk about three things: Israeli technology, Israeli technology and Israeli technology.”
      Israel’s economic pivot to the east and south is a welcome development for the majority of Israelis who reject Europe’s growing drive to isolate their country economically over its Palestinian policies.
      However, defence minister Moshe Ya’alon, a leading rightwinger in the ruling Likud party and a sceptic of the peace talks, said he preferred “EU boycotts over rockets on Tel Aviv”. His comments reflected a steelier view within government that Israel is ready to weather economic isolation.
      Mr Bennett, a former businessman who co-founded and sold a successful software company before entering politics, is a principal architect of Israel’s push into new markets. Among leftwing Israelis, he is an object of scorn for his categorical rejection of a Palestinian state. He once compared Israel’s ability to live with the conflict to a man he knew who was able to adjust to life with a piece of shrapnel in his rear end.
      While remarks such as these have made headlines, Mr Bennett has – more quietly – led economic delegations to China and India. His ministry is closing Israeli trade missions in Sweden and Finland and opening missions in China, India and Brazil."

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      "The main issue Israel faces is that in contrast to the US, emerging powers like China won't help Israel pursue its political agenda. They don't give a damn about the Palestinians but they don't give a damn about Israel and European Jewish history either. They will buy technology from Israel, buy oil from Iran and then sell second-rate copies of Israeli technology to Iran and watch them fight each other from a safe distance.
      Israel will never have as sympathetic a global hegemon to support it as the present-day United States. Maybe they should cash in their chips now and look for detente with regional powers like Iran and peace with the Palestinians instead of living with the shrapnel in their butt.
      But that would involve giving up that piece of land East of the Wailing Wall and West of the River Jordan and guys like Naftali Bennett think God promised it to him. I'm waiting for someone rational in Israel to call bulls**t on Bennett and other settlers. "

    • Denazification would be a good prototype

    • It's time to bury Zionism and start over

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      "The toughest talk at the service was made by Israeli consul-general to New England Yehuda Yakov, who reminded his audience of the fact that “Israel still lives in the jungle. As much as we want to wish it away, the jungle is still there.” The threats that surround the country mean that “along with start-up Israel and the multicultural mosaic, we also have to be Fortress Israel, and I don’t say that with any glee, that’s a fact.” His rallying cry to the American Jews in the sanctuary: “We still need you desperately, we need you to understand, we need you to identify and we still need you to explain.” Shrage struck a similar theme, saying that the Jewish state “is in the midst of a dangerous neighborhood - and we can’t expect the state of Israel to behave like the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We live in a blessed place. They live in an extremely dangerous place. ” “I urge you, I beg you - I pray that you will remember what your responsibility is tomorrow ... only we can stand up for Israel, we are in the catbird seat." He entreated them to “not be silent if someone says something about Israel that is negative, jarring, or offensive” because “we are what stands between Israel and destruction in many ways” and that without U.S. support, Israel would be in “triple and quadruple amount of danger” and “it is incumbent upon us to speak up so that blood will not be, god forbid, on our hands.” "

    • "It will take great courage and conviction and you will need to draw deep into the well of Jewish ethics."

      Most of those ethics, however solemn, were developed in the absence of political power. And as soon as the Jewish State emerged they were dumped.
      Now they are tortured daily across Israel.

      And who wants to" draw deep into the well of Jewish ethics" to face the Goldstone treatment ? Who wants the full Max Blumenthal ostracisation package ?

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      "You coasted along
      To larger houses, gadgets, more machines
      To golf and weekend bungalows,
      Caravans when the children were small,
      the Mediterranean, later, with the wife.

      You did not go to Church often,
      Weddings were special;
      But you kept your name on the books
      Against eventualities;
      And the parson called, or the curate.

      You showed a sense of responsibility,
      With subscriptions to worthwhile causes
      And service in voluntary organisations;
      And, anyhow, this did the business no harm,
      No harm at all.
      Relations were improving. A good
      useful life. You coasted along.

      You even had a friend of two of the other sort,
      Coasting too: your ways ran parallel.
      Their children and yours seldom met, though,
      Being at different schools.
      You visited each other, decent folk with a sense
      Of humour. Introduced, even, to
      One of their clergy. And then you smiled
      In the looking-glass, admiring, a
      Little moved by, your broadmindedness.
      Your father would never have known
      One of them. Come to think of it,
      When you were young, your own home was never
      Visited by one of the other sort.

      Relations were improving. The annual processions
      began to look rather like folk-festivals.

      When that noisy preacher started,
      he seemed old-fashioned, a survival.
      Later you remarked on his vehemence,
      a bit on the rough side.
      But you said, admit, you said in the club,
      ‘You know, there’s something in what he says’.

      And you who seldom had time to read a book,
      what with reports and the colour-supplements,
      denounced censorship.
      And you who never had an adventurous thought
      were positive that the church of the other sort
      vetoes thought.
      And you who simply put up with marriage
      for the children’s sake, deplored
      the attitude of the other sort
      to divorce.
      You coasted along.
      And all the time, though you never noticed,
      The old lies festered;
      the ignorant became more thoroughly infected;
      there were gains, of course;
      you never saw any go barefoot.

      The government permanent, sustained
      by the regular plebiscites of loyalty.
      You always voted but never
      put a sticker on your car;
      a card in the window
      would not have been seen from the street.
      Faces changed on posters, names too, often,
      but the same families, the same class of people.
      A Minister once called you by your first name.
      You coasted along
      and the sores supperated and spread.

      Now the fever is high and raging;
      Who would have guessed it, coasting along?
      The ignorant-sick thresh about in delirium
      And tear at the scabs with dirty finger-nails.
      The cloud of infection hangs over the city,
      A quick change of wind and it
      Might spill over the leafy suburbs.
      You coasted along."

    • @ Chu

      All they do is talk. Don't want to upset anyone

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      "For example, on the BBC’s Today programme yesterday, leading the leader of the Reform Judaism movement in Britain Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner said she was “completely heartbroken” by what is going on and that she feels “empathy for both sides”, yet she did not go so far as to say that Israel’s actions are wrong."

      Total waste of space. The UN is investigating war crimes and the leader of the grooviest sect in UK Judaism can't even go so far as to say what Israel is doing may not be prudent.

      Janner Klausner's US homologue is Rick Jacobs, he man the bots sent to the Presbyterians to urge them to prefer dialogue with Israel over divestment

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      "As you know, the conflict in Gaza has intensified. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the Israeli soldiers killed in action, with our brothers and sisters in Israeli, and with all who are in danger.
      When the conflict began, the Reform Movement made a decision to join Stop the Sirens, a community-wide campaign, coordinated by Jewish Federations of North American (JFNA), to provide relief and support to the most heavily impacted Israeli communities. We did this rather than creating our own campaign to support our Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism (IMPJ) congregations and the vital work the IMPJ itself is doing because we thought it was important to show support for the larger communal effort.
      We encourage all members of Reform congregations to continue to provide funds and donations to their local Jewish Federations to assure that continued funding will be available in the coming weeks as it is likely that the current crisis will not end in the next few days. Our ongoing support for Israel and its citizens will continue to be desperately needed. "

      Another complete waste of time.

      Liberal Tribalism won't do anything .
      Walt put it very well a while ago

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      "For realists like me, in short, halting a colonial enterprise that has been underway for over forty years will require a lot more than wise and well-intentioned words. Instead, it would require the exercise of power."

      I wouldn't bother calling liberal Judaism

    • Give us a break talking about liberal Judaism- come back when you have neutralized people like the Dersh and Adelson. Something like the von Stauffenberg attempt of July 1944 is required. The extremists are walking all over you.

      A lot of liberal Jewish bodies are taking a stand at airline counters in Turkey wondering when they are going to be able to get home and presumably whining about how Khamas is ruining their holidays and business trips, as if Israel should somehow be immune from the contingency of life, in the country that runs the 47 year old occupation and has suddenly started paying for it.

      " If Israel is to survive as a liberal, democratic nation" and my aunt grows a pair of elf ears .
      Israel was never democratic.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • Bibi is so full of shit. Israeli TV won't show a B'tselem video naming all the kids Israel has murdered and Israel can't deal with the tunnels because they couldn't be arsed when it mattered

      "How Israel botched the battle against Hamas
      The writing about the Hamas's network of tunnels was on the wall but nobody wanted to read it, says a geologist who set up Military Intelligence’s special-operations division. "
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      and now he's bringing in Kindergartens.

      Israel has already bombed rehab hospitals, general hospitals, schools, mosques and family homes .

      He has no idea how much hatred he's engendering for Israel.

  • 'Heartbreaking' is U.S. government's talking point for Gaza massacre
    • "I have just two words about the UN Human Rights Council decision: Get lost." - @Tzipi_Livni

      So it'll be the same schtick as last time. Operation Goldstone. Only acceptable if a respectable Jew leads the team and the bots can intimidate him/her into saying nothing happened.

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      "Speaking at the meeting, Israel's envoy to the UNHRC, Eviatar Manor, charged that the UN Human Rights Council "failed to protect the human rights of Israelis."
      Manor went on to say that the residents of Gaza were not Israel's enemies and that Israel was committed to international law . He charged the council of "pouring oil on the fire." "

    • Netanyahu bringing decent people into his slime world.
      The shame !

    • I am heartbroken about all the Israelis stranded in Turkey.

      They must learn a harsh and expensive lesson about voting for homicidal arseholes like Netanyahu and Bennett.

    • Surely "heartless" would be a more appropriate word .

      Jen Psaki and her gopher are 2 sad careerists. Jen in particular is a desperately poor role model for gingers. Kerry would have been as bad as Bush as well, prolly. Empire men.

      “we have been heartbroken by the high civilian death toll in Gaza but we are heartened by the lobby money, for which we will do anything up to and including cheerleading genocide ” –Jen Psaki, last Thursday.

  • 'We know that Israel has no red line when it attacks us': Civilians bear the brunt as Israel’s offensive on Gaza continues
  • 'Slate' blames Birthright for indoctrinating American Jew who was killed fighting for Israel
    • The IDF glorifies combat death and they have built quite a cult around it.

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      "The fallen". Women who die in combat are fallen women. So is Tzipi Livni.

      There is a special holiday to mark all the Jews killed in Israel's many wars of choice. Because the army is the central institution in Israeli life.

      And a young death for Erez Israel fighting terrorists is the most mysterious of all. Especially when the lawnmower is responsible.

      Of course the James Dean of IDF death is Netanyahu's brother.

    • Isn't it?
      I thought Jews were born to show the world how to live .

  • Israel's 'defeat'
    • break the news softly to Israelis

      Has to be a song by the (Gaza) fugees

    • Another 3 today
      Most of them are posthumously promoted . WTF.

    • I think the BG news is more important, Walid.
      It was top of the news all over Europe yesterday. Dick and Jan van Citizen pay attention to things like that. Israel's gate to the world semi shut.

      Even Danon was WHINING, a long way from his usual Obermensch pose.

    • Israel won't accept the Hamas conditions. Because Israel wants everything.
      And that mentality is losing.
      Israel is completely dependent on what the world thinks of it. And that opinion is not what it was.

  • US plays decisive role in Israel's attack on Gaza
    • heartbreaking reminder of close bonds viz drones, NSA, propaganda, torture, DIME munitions, flechettes, white phosphorous, human rights abuses, wars against Muslims and ignoring veterans

    • "The Irish Mirror also reports that the long-time supporters of Palestinian freedom also displayed the number of lives lost in Gaza during a performance of ‘Unfinished Sympathy' - which was met with huge applause from the crowd."

      Amazing song . Very popular in Ireland .

    • Rula is a legend. That was a fantastic interview.

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      “The whole industry is on the verge of a nervous breakdown,” said the manager of a big travel agency in Tel Aviv, who asked that he not be quoted by name."

      "According to Yossi Fattal, head of the Israel Travel Agents’ Association, “tens of thousands” of Israelis are now stranded

      abroad because of flight cancellations. “What we are advising travelers to do is simply buy a ticket on another airline that is flying to or from Israel in order to get to their destination quickly because the cost of sticking around and waiting for international flights to resume could end up being higher.”

      Since 40 percent of the Israeli travel agency business is concentrated in two months of the year, July and August, the flight cancellations could deliver a severe blow to the industry, he estimated. “We are already seeing cutbacks and dismissals,” he said. “Nothing this dramatic ever happened before because the last time international airlines stopped flying to Israel was during the first Gulf War, and that was in the winter, which isn’t a peak travel season.” "

    • They deserve it. Gaza does it own economic lawnmowing.
      With their special hedge tools they trim 1% off Israeli GDP growth. Yossi gets a lower payrise. Investments are put off. Israelis lose their jobs. The occupation comes right to the centre of the national balance sheet. Israeli bonds investors start asking questions about risk that was never previously priced in. Beautiful. Kteer hilw.

    • "There can be no hope of a peaceful solution ever gaining traction – or these bouts of blood-letting in Gaza coming to end – unless Washington is finally unmasked as Israel’s abettor-in-chief"

      Only way to do that is to open AIPAC and its funding of politicians to fresh air and investigative reporting.
      And the only way to do that is to leverage popular disgust at Israeli war crimes.

      Citizens United and subsequent decisions about campaign finance are at the heart of this. Zionism is as destructive as medical insurance in mangling the US political system. Neither are even remotely sustainable long term on current trends.

      I think Israel will collapse before relevant change happens in the US.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • She was really good.

      Media in general, not just TV, only focus on the now, never on the context.

      Ukraine is all about war, nothing about the systematic pillage of the country's resources by the previous leaders and subsequent economic collapse that led to the situation.

      Gaza is all about rockets, nothing about the evil policies of Israel

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