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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • The Palestinian message to Israel: Deal with us justly. Or disappear
    • It's weird, isn't it ? Surely Russia can say "what about Assad" ? Othersie it's double standards and anti semitic to pick on Russia.

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      "At the same time, though, a policy involving wasteful use of firepower was revealed, which reduced stocks to worrying levels following limited hostilities that took place on just one front. The result must prompt a reexamination over the way in which the IDF builds its land-based forces and trains them for their new tasks, taking strategic changes in the region into account."

      That Gaza as Amalek policy is really self defeating , not just morally

    • Sumud 1 Hasbara and Systematic nihilism 0

    • Thanks for the link, Pixel. Even more shocking is that it didn't work.

    • I think the Palestinian message from Gaza to Israel was that the fraud is over. Put up or STFU. No more bullshit. Give us our rights. We are not afraid to die for them. We do not accept facts on the ground. We are the facts.
      You are the terrorists. You have destroyed your society instead of destroying us.

  • Elizabeth Warren says killing Palestinian civilians is 'the last thing Israel wants'
    • He's tweeting a lot of sense these days Krauss.
      St Paul was the same, you know. Happened on the road to Damascus rather than the highway to Gaza .

    • I have to thank MJR for this insight

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg
      "Netanyahu is a fucking barbarian and so is everyone in his government".

      so is Warren.

      Israel kills civilians "pour encourager les autres". And it doesn't work.

  • Yale Protestant chaplain says Americans must curb Israel so as to curb anti-Semitism
    • What a find. Thank you, just . A reference

      I'm going through the earlier July stuff now and here are the highlights so far

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      "For Israelis, the nightmare of your son's phone ringing, unanswered, wipes away all the self-confidence that citizens of the Jewish state have built for themselves. That fear burrows into a national psyche that defines what Israel is about for its Jewish majority – a country that was founded and its entire military force built up so that no Jewish child should ever be captured and spirited away again. No other political arguments or realities apply. As far as they are concerned, that is Israel's core purpose."

      A rare burst of Shavit clarity
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      "What will be will be as the situation unfolds, but it’s already clear that the way things were until a few weeks ago is gone. The bubbles we’ve lived in have burst. The years of calm are over. "

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      "So we’re left with a one-state solution, operated on ethnically segregated apartheid-style lines, in which a large section of the population has no say in who rules over them, indefinitely. But it’s folly to imagine that this shameful injustice will continue without an escalating cost for those who enforce it.
      The conflict’s eruptions are certainly coming thicker and faster. Despite heroic Israeli efforts to fix the narrative, global opinion has never been more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But the brutal reality is that there will be no end to Israel’s occupation until Palestinians and their supporters are able to raise its price to the occupier, in one way or another – and change the balance of power on the ground."

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      "Gaza air strikes are a necessary show of force for Israel
      Hamas, bankrupt and friendless, hopes to use violence to win support. Israel cannot do otherwise than act"

      PresidentPeres ✔ @PresidentPeres
      All approaches to #Hamas by the intl' community to recognize #Israel and make #peace were denied
      We cannot accept death, there is no compromise with bombshells and no compromise when there's danger above the head of mothers and children

      Dersh special
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      Hamas, not Israel, is the real enemy of the Palestinians
      "To Gaza’s innocent civilians: Demand a ‘Gaza Spring’ and rid yourself of Hamas’ violent theocrats and kleptocrats, who love Palestinian children less than they hate Israel
      The real enemies of the Palestinians are those Hamas leaders who do in fact love Palestinian children less than they hate Israel. That’s why they are prepared to use these children as human sacrifices in their efforts to destroy the nation state of the Jewish people.

      There will be peace between Israel and the Palestinians only when the Palestinians overthrow or vote out the violent theocrats and kleptocrats of Hamas—or unless Hamas can be induced by the citizens of Gaza to change its destructive policies. The alternative will be a Gaza in which civilians continue to pay the heavy price for Hamas’ hatred of Israel and contempt for its own citizens. "

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      "Israeli policy has left the Palestinian Authority toothless and discredited, its land eaten away by the continuing occupation of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. But Israel’s reputation in the world is also eroding, and it is an illusion to think it can remain an oasis of peace and prosperity in a region on fire, so long as the Palestinians have no prospect of a viable state of their own."

      The UK newspapers were way ahead of the curve. Zionism lost 66 soldiers, wasted much ammunition and, most of all, suffered unimaginable losses in the hasbara division.

      It is so interesting to see how many commentators underestimated Gaza and the will of the people there to take charge of their lives .

    • People are sick and tired of Israeli exceptionalism. Maybe it's fine in Hebrew to class the Palestinians as Untermenschen but it looks dreadful in English. And BDS is not possible" because it's too like the 1930s". Well, guess what ? Gaza looks far too much like the 1940s to a lot of people outside the bubble.

      And Israel lost the celebrity war this time around. Seriously.

      Gorenberg has a good article in Ha'aretz about the failure of the Likud formula
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      "Netanyahu taps into two contradictory currents in the Israeli psyche: The Holocaust trauma of helplessness, and belief in force as the only solution."

      Israel can't kill over 500 kids and claim helplessness.

      Israel is entitled to tell itself that the Palestinians are Amalek but as a sovereign nation it has to live with the consequences.

  • 'NYT' continues using discredited figures suggesting parity between Israeli and Palestinian attacks -- Updated
    • Will the NYT ever get around to talking about Lehava and the fragility of Israeli democracy ?

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    • Mouin Rabbani wrote on his Facebook page on Tuesday, “When an army reaches the point of destroying apartment buildings as if it were a municipal engineer, it can no longer be considered a serious army.”

  • Israel's information iron dome
    • This article is real keeper. The inner workings of Zionism are fascinating. Press propaganda to get Yossi Israeli doped up on hasbara and 40 kids per class to remove all traces of independent thinking.

      Palestinian schools must be far more civilized. I bet Palestinians have a far higher incidence of noor al ain, the light in the eyes, than Israelis. There is no such thing as a free lunch after all.

    • Adelson does the money, bibi does the politics and the teachers of israel manage the kids in operation YESHA forever. And every 3 years the lawn is mowed. And it was rilly great while it lasted. But all good things come to an end. The papers were just selling Yossi his own prejudices.
      But Hamas changed the rules. Israelis in bomb shelters. A terrible beauty is born. The right wing cannot hold.

      Where does Zionism go from here?

    • Super analysis

      But press propaganda can only get 95% approval if the population has been "seasoned" via the education system

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      " There is no discussion about the topic of racism in the school and there probably will not be,” the principal admits. “We are not prepared for the deep, long-term process that’s necessary. Even though I am constantly aware of the problem, it is far from being dealt with. It stems in the first place from the home, the community and the society, and it’s hard for us to cope with it. You have to remember that another reason it’s hard to deal with the problem is that it also exists among the teachers. Issues such as ‘human dignity’ or ‘humanism’ are in any case considered left-wing, and anyone who addresses them is considered tainted.”
      Threat of noise
      Prof. Yoram Harpaz is a senior lecturer at Beit Berl Teachers College and the editor of Hed Hahinuch, a major educational journal. Recalling the recent promise of Education Minister Shay Piron that classes in the first two weeks of the coming school year will be devoted to “emotional and social aspects of the summer’s events,” including “manifestations of racism and incitement,” Harpaz observes that schools in their present format “are incapable of dealing with the racist personality and identity.”
      He adds: “The schools are not geared for this. They can only impart basic knowledge and skills, hold examinations on them and grade the students. In fact, they have a hard time doing even that. In classes of 40 students, with a strict curriculum and exams that have to be held, it is impossible to engage in values-based education.”
      Yaron, a senior lecturer in sociology at Ashkelon Academic College, emphasizes how important teachers and the principal (and the education system in general) feel it is to stick to the curriculum and the lessons schedule – two islands of quiet amid a risk-laden reality.
      “Doing this makes it possible for the teachers not to enter a dynamic sphere, which obligates openness and is liable to open a Pandora’s box, too,” he notes. “The greatest threat to the teacher is that there will be noise – that someone will complain, that an argument will break out, etc. That danger looms especially large in subjects that interest young people, such as sexuality, ethnicity, violence and racism. Teachers lack the tools to cope with these issues, so they are outsourced, which only emasculates educational personnel even more.”
      The demand for quiet in the schools is not only an instrumental matter, deriving from the difficulty of keeping order in the classroom. There is also an ideological aspect involved. In general, there is a whole series of subjects that are not recommended for discussion in schools, such as the Nakba (or “catastrophe,” the term used by Palestinians to denote the establishment of the State of Israel), human rights and the morality of Israeli army operations. This was one of the reasons for the warnings issued by Tel Aviv University and Ben-Gurion University of the Negev during the fighting in the Gaza Strip about “extreme and offensive remarks.”
      Harpaz: “In Israel, the most political country there is, political education has not been developed as a discipline in which high-school students are taught how to think critically about political attitudes, or the fact that those attitudes are always dependent on a particular viewpoint and on vested interests.”
      What, then, can be done? According to Harpaz, the solution will not be found in discussions between the homeroom teacher and the students. Nor is a condemnation, however late, by the education minister sufficient. A more radical change is needed.
      “Values and outlooks are acquired in a lengthy process of identification with ‘significant others,’ such as teachers,” Harpaz explains. “This means that every aspect of the schools – patterns of teaching, evaluation methods, curricula, the physical structure and the cultural climate – has to change in the direction of becoming far more dialogical and democratic.”
      And he has one more recommendation: not to flee from political and moral dilemmas, or from possible criticism. “Our leaders are so fearful of criticism, but they don’t understand that critical education is what generates close ties and caring. We get angry at those we love.”

      And G-d didn't design Israel's education system. Right wing Zionists did. It's a feeder for the IDF. And the IDF can't run the occupation like it used to. System crisis.

      American Jews of the same age do not grow up in the same system of hate and narcissism.

      Also how are those Israeli kids supposed to compete internationally ?

  • Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade
    • Thanks for the link Kay

      this was on Wikipedia about the MGs

      " In 1969, Duck Dunn and Booker T. Jones, in particular, had become enamored with The Beatles, especially their work on Abbey Road. The appreciation was mutual, as The Beatles had patterned a lot of what they did on the M.G.'s. John Lennon was a huge Stax fan who fondly called the group, "Book a Table and the Maitre D's" (in 1974, Lennon facetiously credited himself and his studio band as "Dr. Winston And Booker Table And The Maitre d's" on his original R&B-inspired instrumental, "Beef Jerky".). Paul McCartney, like Dunn, played bass melodically, without straying from the rhythm or the groove. It was obvious through each of their playing that they admired one another. After being locked away in the Memphis studio, when the company embarked on the "Hit the Road, Stax!" tour of 1967, The Beatles sent limos to the airport and bent down to kiss Steve Cropper's ring.[citation needed] The M.G.'s had no idea, until then, of the impact they were having on the rest of the world. Lennon was quoted as saying he always wanted to write an instrumental for the M.G.'s".

    • and it's the end of the notion that Gaza is sui generis and not part of the Palestinian nation . Sharon's disengagement lies in ruins

    • Walid

      I wonder what sort of pressure was put on Netanyahu from outside. Obama hates him already but the war was a disaster for the Jewish diaspora, very bad for the Israeli economy and very very bad for hasbara. They could kill as many as they wanted but they couldn't manage the repercussions.
      Netanyahu is a complete spoofer.

    • Were you aware of the Israeli Palestinian conflict last april, Gene ?
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      “I call on all responsible elements in the international community not to run to recognise a Palestinian government of which Hamas is a part or which rests on Hamas,” Mr Netanyahu said in remarks before the weekly meeting of his cabinet.
      “Hamas is a terrorist organisation that calls for the destruction of Israel, and the international community must not embrace it. This will not strengthen peace; it will strengthen terrorism.”

    • Gene

      It's the economy, stupid. Zionism is going to fall over the economy. Yossi Israeli likes lawnmowing but if his back is to the wall he prefers shopping.

    • The difference this time is the economic damage done to Israel. 51 days was twice as long as the previous lawnmowing episodes.
      And the South of Israel was into bomb shelters very frequently
      IDF had a very bad war.

      If Israel breaks the terms the rockets will probably come out again.

      MJR has a good analysis
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      Israel puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose

    • I can't wait for
      a the AIPAC conference
      b Yom Kippur

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      "Without a formal discussion, without a vote, in laconic telephone updates with members of the security cabinet – that is how the government of Israel under Benjamin Netanyahu in August 2014 approved a cease-fire agreement with a terror organization. The same Benjamin Netanyahu who ran for election five years ago, after Operation Cast Lead, on the platform that the mission had not been accomplished, that Hamas rule had to be destroyed and that he was the only one who could do it.

      Netanyahu's conduct during the 50 days of fighting in Gaza highlighted the gap between his statements and promises and the reality. The prime minister, who was the most strident in his statement against Hamas, ended the confrontation with the organization in the weakest position. All he wanted was to achieve a cease-fire at just about any price. When the opportunity came, he simply grabbed it and ran."

      Remember what Shavit said when Kerry offered a deal that was more favourable to Israel than the one Netanyahu accepted ?

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      " But over the weekend, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ruined everything. Very senior officials in Jerusalem described the proposal that Kerry put on the table as a “strategic terrorist attack.” His decision to go hand in hand with Qatar and Turkey, and formulate a framework amazingly similar to the Hamas framework, was catastrophic. It put wind in the sails of Hamas’ political leader Khaled Meshal, allowed the Hamas extremists to overcome the Hamas moderates, and gave renewed life to the weakened regional alliance of the Muslim Brotherhood.

      The Obama administration proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends. The man of peace from Massachusetts intercepted with his own hands the reasonable cease-fire that was within reach, and pushed both the Palestinians and Israelis toward an escalation that most of them did not want.

      So that is why everything now hangs in the balance. Hamas is exhausted, but fanning the flames time after time. Israel is showing restraint time after time. Netanyahu and Ya’alon are still managing a battle against those who may very well entangle Israel in a real war. But the way Kerry played into the hands of Turkey and Qatar, and the extremist Palestinians and Israelis, has created a situation that is still quite dangerous.

      If Israel is forced to ultimately undertake an expanded ground operation in which dozens of young Israelis and hundreds of Palestinian civilians could lose their lives, it would be appropriate to name the offensive after the person who caused it: John Kerry. "

      Obama hated Netanyahu's guts before July. I bet the hatred runs even deeper now.

    • Biggest Israeli casualty was ha tourism business
      Ha IDF deterrence was also gravely wounded.
      Ha Hasbara is paralysed
      Ha economy lost $60m per day
      Ha ha ha

    • Isn't it just perfect ? Beautiful piece of music .

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      "The Palestinian government has urged foreign states with citizens serving in the Israeli military to investigate them for alleged war crimes committed during the current war in Gaza.

      Riad al-Malki, the Palestinian foreign minister, wrote to the governments of the UK, US, France, Australia, Canada, South Africa and five Latin American countries on Tuesday, reminding them that all states are obliged under international law to investigate alleged violations, including war crimes, committed by their nationals. Malki said that governments should warn their citizens that they could be liable for investigation and prosecution.

      Thousands of soldiers with dual nationality are conscripted into the Israel Defence Forces, while non-Israelis also volunteer under the IDF's Mahal programme, which invites Jews from other countries to serve in combat and support roles for up to 18 months. The IDF did not respond to a request for figures.

      Malki's letter, which was also sent to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, sets out the requirements under international law for governments to investigate alleged violations over which they have jurisdiction, including the actions of their nationals."

    • Bernie Sanders won't be happy
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      Naftali "Hamas is committing self genocide" looks stupid now
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      What will US senators say now ?
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      Mark Regev unlikely to get a bonus this year
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      Great work done by Jon Snow
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      and Dr Mads Gilbert

    • Ceasefire according to the 2012 deal- what happened to those conditions ? Israel broke every single one of them.

      Massive political clusterfuck in Israel ahead. Bennett and Lieberman say no to ceasefire and Netanyahu has 38% approval. 95% Jewish approval for the carnage - they are hardly going to give in on the siege just like that.

      The economy is already slowing down.

      Time is tight for Zionism to pull a rabbit out of the hat

  • Israel's decades-long effort to turn the word 'terrorism' into an ideological weapon
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      "SodaStream to decide whether to shut down controversial West Bank plant

      CEO says this is solely a business decision and company is not giving in to 'financial terror' of BDS movement.

      SodaStream will decide within two months whether to close the West Bank plant that prompted a high-profile boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign against the Israel-based beverage machine maker, CEO Daniel Birnbaum said Wednesday.

      The Israeli beverage maker’s decision has nothing to do with the “financial terrorists” who organized the boycott, said Birnbaum. The BDS campaign turned U.S. actress Scarlett Johansson into a darling of Israel supporters when she quit her role as Oxfam representative over the charity’s insistence that she could not represent SodaStream if she were to remain with Oxfam.

      "The considerations will be purely financial, and do not include the European boycott on manufacturing in the territories," said Birnbaum. "Nor [will they include] the various calls to boycott products of the company because of its location in Ma'aleh Adumim. The boycott is a nuisance, but does not cause serious financial damage. We are not giving in to the boycott. We are Zionist." "

    • Ha'aretz had a super interview with Haim Oron, the former head of Meretz, the other day

      Netanyahu is a total liability, even if Israeli society is set up ideologically to adore him . They are going to have to reconfigure education in Israel to survive.

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      “But Netanyahu’s behavior,” Oron continues, “led Abbas to conclude that Israel’s aim was to go on playing with negotiations, because Netanyahu understands that without this game, the whole world will gang up on him. In practice, his intentions aren’t serious – it’s make-believe negotiations. I definitely sensed that Abu Mazen was in despair over Netanyahu. ‘You don’t want it, the Jews don’t want it’ – that’s the refrain I hear from leading Palestinians. In fact, it’s gone so far that there is a big argument among them about whether to pursue a dialogue even with people like us. They say, ‘You’re good people, we know, but you’re part of the cover, the deception.’”
      If Netanyahu had entered into serious talks with Abbas in 2009, where would we be today?
      “I know there are many left-wing Israelis who believe that there is no longer a chance for an agreement. I’ve always thought that, after a tough internal debate, a Palestinian majority will accept the Clinton blueprint, the Geneva Agreement. Only a blind person could not have noticed the coalition that arose recently, of the Jordanians, the Saudis, the PA and the Egyptians. It spoke in the clearest terms about a preference for a two-state solution to quell Islamic ferment and radicalism, along with a desire to alleviate the plight of the Palestinians. Netanyahu has never taken advantage of the opportunities that were presented to him, despite the very real danger that we will ultimately be left without an interlocutor like Abu Mazen.
      “I believe that Netanyahu is simply psychologically incapable of signing off on the partition of Jerusalem and a return to the 1967 borders,” Oron continues. “During his terms, we’ve seen a disproportionate preoccupation with Iran, under the illusion that we can cope with that danger alone. Billions of dollars were poured into that effort, which had an additional motivation: to change the agenda and, by inflating the Iranian issue, obscure the major danger we face, namely the conflict with the Palestinians.”

      “Three approaches have been dominant in Israel recently. One says: ‘There’s no alternative, we must maintain control of the territories, and in the end we will subjugate them.’ This is the view of Naftali Bennett and Avigdor Lieberman. The contrary approach states that we have to strive to find a solution, otherwise we endanger our survival. In the Netanyahu era, a third thesis, which is gathering momentum, has emerged: that since there is no solution, we need to manage the conflict. Both Netanyahu and [Defense Minister Moshe] Ya’alon espouse this approach. They want to see two Palestinian entities: a weakened one in the West Bank under Abu Mazen, and a ruling but weakened one in Gaza, under Hamas. "

      the contrary view seems the most likely to pass

      From the appropriately titled album "it will end in tears"

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      Zippy at 3.11 gives the pronunciation

      Integhnational teghogh

    • The Ashkenazim have the German r so they say teghogheesm instead of terrorism.
      I am pretty sure the original Hebrews did not pronounce r like the Germans do.

    • I think bibi's worldview is dead . It had a good innings- almost 40 years

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      Worth listening to in full. It's Bernie Sanders' stem as well.

      Killing children caused revulsion around the world. Maybe he believes they have 22 other countries to go too but the general public in the West doesn't.

      The propaganda machine in Israel is ultra slick and they can reach Yossi Israeli's hate gspot pretty much instantly but as ever the problem is translating the memes from Hebrew

      "In his speech, Rosen-Zvi said, “I want to single out two things that seem new and very frightening to me. First, the death of soldiers no longer creates the same public pressure as in the past. It’s a new mechanism and different from what we knew, when coffins created a sense of revulsion that led to criticism and media pressure. It seems that now death creates togetherness and at the same time invites more death in order to justify it.
      “Second,” he said, “I want to single out the normality of violence against the left. At anti-war demonstrations in which I participated there were Kahanist gangs walking around shouting ‘death to Arabs and leftists,’ and chasing demonstrators to beat them up, and they did beat them up. People were afraid to disperse and avoided walking home alone. Nobody was shocked and they aren’t now either, the condemnations were against extremism of all types, from both right and left, as though right-wing journalists also walk around with bodyguards.” This last was a reference to Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy, who hired a bodyguard after receiving numerous threats over his critical writing and interviews about the war.
      Prof. Menachem Lorberbaum, chairman of the graduate school of philosophy, criticized Givati Brigade commander Col. Ofer Winter, who reportedly justified the massive civilian casualties resulting from the assault on the Rafah area following the abduction of 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin, who was later declared dead by Israeli authorities. Lorberbaum quoted Winter saying that “whoever kidnaps has to know that he will pay a price. It was not revenge. They simply started up with the wrong brigade. ... This population is hostage, but I think that it’s also a partner. ... I’m not absolving them of responsibility so quickly.”

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      "A hundred and sixty-six channels lit
      To train that animal shit

      Who wanna hold hands with this sicko malnutritionist
      Soaked in newspeak?
      Dirty words paralyze words and infect shit
      Insofar as the ineffectual bed for elections
      Development arrested
      Trapped in the Cuckoo's nest
      Looking for the nexus
      If it's wild like that y'all found
      infrared scope in the clutch of a tyrant

      Devil in a blue skyline with clean conscience
      Save the gesture
      But can't save the children, weren't worth the effort"

      This is not about terrorism. This is Palestinian self determination. Palestinians are there and they want their rights.

  • WATCH: Ultra-Zionists protest Muslim-Jewish wedding saying miscegenation is 'gravest threat to the Jewish people'
    • Sharon on the haram as sharif was like bibi bombing gaza- to show the untermenschen who is in charge and also to do a public bollock scratching to impress yossi israeli. Oslo was already dead by 2000.

    • Levinger started the settlement business outside East Jerusalem with his own 'occupation" of Hebron. And the moderates followed his example. And now there are 800,000 settlers!
      That deluded audacity. The "Zionist responses" designed to provoke a gasp of breath -"how can they be that stupid and shortsighted?". And they are , consistently.

    • Surely the occupation is the biggest threat.

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    • Individuals who are socialized have control over what they say even though their immediate thinking reaction to something may be quite different. Israel as a society seems to have lost this capacity.

      It's not looking good for Hatikva.

    • Zionism has this habit of being led by extremists- Levinger in 68 in Hebron, for example. Sharon in 2000. The moderates follow the outliers and facts are created. The right wing runs rings around the left.

      It's very unstable now and it's very like the process that happens in the head of an abuser who goes on to commit despicable crimes.

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      "I never met anyone who I believed to be beyond understanding. However reprehensible the behaviour, it usually makes some sort of sense when examined in the context of the individual's history. The problem with the bad or evil judgments is that they offer no strategy for intervention, other than detection and punishment. We need to understand much better what drives these people, usually men, who use children to gratify their distorted needs. Then possibly such tendencies could be detected early enough to offer useful interventions before the behaviour has become consolidated into its final destructive form."

      Zionism is well advanced on the road to its final destructive form . This wedding scene is an important step on that journey.

  • Our new look
  • Salaita's hire set off fundraising alarm at U of Illinois, per emails to chancellor
    • The new layout :

      Did you drop the last 100 comments button deliberately ?
      Will it be possible to copy comments ? Would be nice when replying , especially to bots

      It looks very nice BTW . Elf mabrouk wa Allah ya'teekum al afya

    • If everything was upfront and transparent it wouldn't be Zionism. It's a marginal player with influence at the top- it can't fight in broad daylight. And they moan about Hamas hiding amongst civilians.

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    • I imagine oil money seeps into economics courses

  • My life during the war
    • @ Pulaski

      Ha'aretz mentioned him in conjunction with "a spike in anti Israel sentiment" aka humanity

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      "After weeks of behind the scenes strategizing, the Creative Community For Peace (CCFP), a non-profit organization started by Hollywood moguls to counter the BDS movement, has enlisted Hollywood’s biggest stars in support of Israel.

      The petition, the largest of its kind representing bold face names from television, film and music, will appear Sunday in such trade publications as The Hollywood Reporter, Billboard and Variety, and also major U.S. newspapers.

      Though the past few weeks have seen a spike in anti-Israel sentiment, expressed by Rihanna, Selena Gomez, Mark Ruffalo, Coldplay Penelope Cruz, Javier Barden and most recently Russell Brand, among others, there have been few celebrities rallying for Israel, save for Joan Rivers, Jon Voight, Howard Stern, Bill Maher, Mayan Bialik and Roseanne Barr. "

      We and all of our friends in Hollywood hope for a speedy end to the conflict so that artists can resume travel to Israel and see for themselves the country's thriving democracy, its rich culture, and its people's profound desire for peace, once again allowing the power of art and music to bring people together,"

      Hopefully they can fit into a taxi and go visit Beitar Jerusalem and then join in a protest at a mixed marriage, afterwards taking part in a price tag attack.
Wasn't Rob Reiner featured on Mondo last week asking to pick Palestine's leaders ? I read somewhere that was into civil rights. But obviously not for Amalkites.

    • They are remarkable. Must have come from very strong families.

      Like Fink

      "it was precisely and exactly because of the lessons my parents taught me and my 2 siblings that I will not be silenced when Israel commits its crimes against the Palestinians"

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      Regarding parenting
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      "The study tracks the formation of a key personality trait known as the "locus of control" – people's subjective belief in their ability to influence their life which is formed in infancy and stabilises in adulthood. Psychologists claim that people can be classified along a continuum on the locus of control scale.
      At one extreme are people with a very internal locus who believe they can entirely direct the course of their own lives. At the other are people with a very external locus who believe their life is entirely determined by luck or fate (or Benjamin Netanyahu) and feel they have little power to change things. Most people are somewhere between these two extremes.
      Warn Lekfuangfu and Nele Warrinnier, two members of the CEP research team which analysed the data, said previous studies show that, compared with people who have a strong external locus of control, those who have a strong internal locus tend to invest more in their education, live a healthier lifestyle and search for a job more intensively when unemployed. "Our study simply offers new evidence that they also tend to make better parents as well," the academics claim."

      The ongoing crisis in Israel includes a parenting crisis.

    • "All of our relatives went in different locations and we lost connections with all of them."

      89 families have been wiped out by Israel
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      “When an entire family is killed, society’s primary source of support is lost,” Hassan Ziadeh said in a phone call from Gaza. “When Israel targets entire families, it is destroying a social institution.”

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      "This is what the masses clamored for in the biggest protest during the war — for quiet for the south. Quiet. Simply quiet. Who could be for terror and against quiet? “Send me quiet in a box, from a distant land,” wrote the poet Yona Wallach.
      This must be Israelis' most self-righteous and revolting demand. They want quiet and the hell with the surrounding noise and its causes. Let Gaza suffocate and the West Bank bow its head, as long as we have quiet."

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      The Jewish Chronicle, a British newspaper, has apologized for running an advertisement for a charity raising funds for the crisis in Gaza. In response to controversy over its decision to run the ad, The Jewish Chronicle’s editor, Stephen Pollard, issued a statement Thursday explaining that the ad was not an expression of the newspaper’s editorial view, which he said is separate from its commercial operations.
      “The ad was approved by the chairman of the JC, who has no involvement in editorial decisions, as an ad for humanitarian aid which nowhere makes political or partisan points,” Pollard wrote.
      The ad features an image of a Palestinian child and states: “Thousands of children in Gaza … are injured, homeless and living in fear. They desperately need medical supplies, shelter, food and water right away.”
      Pollard wrote that he and the newspaper “are entirely supportive of Operation Protective Edge, as our coverage has demonstrated.”

    • It's daily doses of trauma , never ending abuse of power . It's systematic evil.
      And apparently this is what all those Jews down the centuries prayed for. I can't accept that.

    • This would be a good tune for the superhero

      link to

      Israel can't stop won't stop
      But there's a price for overdoing it

  • The new center
    • link to

      Picture of children playing 'funeral' in Gaza. They mirror what they see. So heartbreaking

    • MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 4h

      Netanyahu is a fucking barbarian and so is everyone in his government.

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      "I quit my synagogue when High Holidays rabbi announced "now is a time for hate" a few years ago.This year's services will be INSANE."

      link to

    • Yom Kippur this year should be a festival of repentance but is more likely to be an orgy of hypocrisy.

    • I'm sick of the lot of them. Zionism is follow the lowest scumbag. And they call decent people self hating. What a joke.

    • I was talking to a friend who visited a psychologist about a work problem with a bully. The behavior really got to my friend and he had trouble sleeping.

      The psychologist said 4 things

      1. It's not your fault
      2 you are right
      3 it's very hard to deal with disturbed people
      4 you need to get away from that person if you can

      And I was thinking about this for the people of Gaza after I read the following article by Gideon Levy

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      "We must admit the truth: Palestinian children in Israel are considered like insects. This is a horrific statement, but there is no other way to describe the mood in Israel in the summer of 2014. When for six weeks hundreds of children are destroyed; their bodies buried in rubble, piling up on morgues, sometimes even in vegetable refrigeration rooms for lack of other space; when their horrified parents carry the bodies of their toddlers as a matter of course; their funerals coming and going, 478 times – even the most unfeeling of Israelis would not allow themselves to be so uncaring.

      Something here has to rise up and scream: Enough. All the excuses and all the explanations will not help – there is no such thing as a child that is allowed to be killed and a child that is not. There are only children killed for nothing, hundreds of children whose fate touches no one in Israel, and one child, just one, around whose death the people unite in mourning"

      1 Gazan kids are right- they are entitled to live
      2. It's not their fault that Israel kills them
      3 Israel is deeply damaged and an impossible neighbour

      I posted this today already but I think it's worth another airing

      Israel is a manufacturer of trauma for the people of Gaza

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      " Hassan, who has worked at the mental health center since 1991, spoke a lot in our conversation about the meaning of psychological treatment during periods of unrelenting and continuing trauma. “I came to the conclusion that such treatment is not ethical,” he said. “For 23 years, I have been trying to help children living in trauma, but there is no guarantee that they will not be affected again. It’s as if I am just preparing them to deal with something worse. You cannot provide true psychological treatment when the patients have no protection, no guarantee that it won’t happen again and soon, when what causes trauma never ends,” he said.
      “What is at issue here is a lot more than individual, separate cases,” he continued. “Even when there is no war, there is no stability in the Gaza Strip, and in a situation like this, how can psychological treatment help? One political decision on Israel’s part — lifting the blockade — could do a lot more good than all of the psychological treatment performed in Gaza and all of the quantities of money invested in them. The long-standing blockade limits our field of vision, our broader outlook, our creativity. The occupation is not only of land. The blockade is not just of goods, objects. The occupation is also cognitive, of one’s will, of feelings and thoughts. The siege is also over the ability to hope.” "

      Gaza had nothing to do with the Shoah. It's not Gaza's fault that Zionism never dealt with that uber trauma. It's not Gaza's fault that Israel's leaders don't want to educate the Jewish kids of Israel.

      And it is insane to think that Israel can continue the status quo without suffering a collective mental breakdown. It may have already started.

  • Hillary Clinton just lost the White House in Gaza -- same way she lost it in Iraq the last time
    • I think Mrs Clinton is a heartless bastard, not too far off where Cheney is. But it doesn't sound right. She's going to trade on her femininity to get the big job and launch wars in which lots of brown people die.
      Maybe just call her a nightmare.

    • It's also linked to oil and the need for a divided Levant/ Arabia/Egypt - comparing the region to South East Asia and the freedom Malaysia had to develop is interesting. India was given independence with a population of 500million but Levant/Arabia/Egypt was divided into many countries - also divide and rule. Each small country has a small elite even though the language of all is shared.
      The region is run for outsiders and will be as long as there is oil and as long as Israel exists. Kida, ya'ni

    • @ Yonah

      50 years for one woman one vote is deluded, with all due respect.
      Climate change is already reducing the availability of water in the levant.
      Things will be very difficult by 2025.
      Sanctions on Israel may have already started by then.
      Those bastions of yeshiva thinking etc- how are they going to be funded when the thinkers start leaving Israel ? It has prolly started already.

    • Thanks GC. It's such a powerful song. Says a lot about Israel and Gaza too.
      And Ferguson. Grown fat on swallowed pride. The scars of the past are slow to disappear

      Here is another Irish song that works with small kids, different style to Christy Moore

      link to

    • Just

      I have a question about Freedland's choice. Say you have to choose between Zionism and liberalism - can Zionism still be Jewish ? And what would be the point of Judaism then ?

    • "I’m not clear on how Israel is the primary problem for people in Iraq or Syria or Egypt or Saudi Arabia or various other places."

      I think for Syria and Egypt, Israel's warmongering led to the focus on militarization in both societies, to the detriment of progress.
      Compare Egypt to say Argentina. Why does Argentina have a civilian government now? Why will Egypt never have a civilian government ?

    • "Rather, it speaks volumes about their odious OCCUPATION."

      link to
      "When Israelis and Palestinians appear fated to fight more frequently and with ever-bloodier consequences, and when peace initiatives seem to be utopian pipe-dreams doomed to fail, the liberal Zionist faces something like an existential crisis. For if there is no prospect of two states, then liberal Zionists will have to do something they resist with all their might. They will have to decide which of their political identities matters more, whether they are first a liberal or first a Zionist. And that is a choice they don’t want to make. "

      MJR has already decided, sort of .

      Another angle

      link to
      " Hassan, who has worked at the mental health center since 1991, spoke a lot in our conversation about the meaning of psychological treatment during periods of unrelenting and continuing trauma. “I came to the conclusion that such treatment is not ethical,” he said. “For 23 years, I have been trying to help children living in trauma, but there is no guarantee that they will not be affected again. It’s as if I am just preparing them to deal with something worse. You cannot provide true psychological treatment when the patients have no protection, no guarantee that it won’t happen again and soon, when what causes trauma never ends,” he said.
      “What is at issue here is a lot more than individual, separate cases,” he continued. “Even when there is no war, there is no stability in the Gaza Strip, and in a situation like this, how can psychological treatment help? One political decision on Israel’s part — lifting the blockade — could do a lot more good than all of the psychological treatment performed in Gaza and all of the quantities of money invested in them. The long-standing blockade limits our field of vision, our broader outlook, our creativity. The occupation is not only of land. The blockade is not just of goods, objects. The occupation is also cognitive, of one’s will, of feelings and thoughts. The siege is also over the ability to hope.” "

    • Thanks for the link in the first place , Philip. The links here are so insightful in terms of building up a picture of what is happening.

      Jonathan Freedland argued recently in the New York Review that only people like Shavit (and Bernie) have the gravitas to talk to Israelis and help it change direction .

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      "Perhaps this is a weakness, but Jews tend to listen to those who argue from inside rather than outside. Witness the Haggadah’s distinction at the seder table between the wise son and the wicked. Technically, all that separates them is the grammatical difference between the first and second person. What does this mean to you, asks the wicked son; what does this mean to us, asks the wise son. But that distinction makes all the difference.
      This contrast in tone might be why Judis has drawn fire from the very writers who lavished praise on Shavit, Leon Wieseltier among them. Judis’s book is rigorous, well sourced, and well argued and he has Zionist credentials of his own (he volunteered to fight for Israel in 1967 but was too late). But at times his prose strikes the wrong note, as if he is less concerned to win over Jews than to expose their moral failings. In view of his thesis that American Jews have made, and can make, the difference in the Israel–Palestine conflict, he might have done more to persuade rather than alienate them.

      This, perhaps, is the ultimate role of the much-derided liberal Zionist. They are better placed than most to move Zionist, including Israeli, opinion. Finkelstein concludes his philippic against Shavit with a declaration that, despite the “original sin” of its creation, Israel’s fate is not set in stone. It can take a first step toward closure, consigning the past to the past, and perhaps even toward reconciliation, with a “formal acknowledgement of what happened in 1948.” For an Israeli patriot such as Shavit, profoundly committed to his country, to have written this powerful, complex, absorbing book and for it to have received the plaudits it has suggest progress toward that necessary goal."

      That argument was killed in a drone strike mid August

      And Shavit can shove it.

    • Walid

      "The US has just realized that its creation has become a runaway train and has a hand outstretched to both Iran and Syria for their help in trying to stop it"

      Never going back. Wrong way on a one way track.

      I'm sure Iran and Syria can be persuaded to help for the right price.
      Would Syria ask for the Golan back ?

      The big picture is Sunni leverage and Israel's regional policing role exposed as a fraud.

      The US needs Israel for er Middle East security, per Oren and the rest of the bots. Why doesn't the IDF take on ISIS ? Because you can't fight a war where the locals hate you and that goes for basically all of the Middle East as far as Israel is concerned.

    • The system is in serious trouble.

      This was on the FT site a while ago

      "Surely the lesson emerging from the last six years is that central banks can firefight but they can fix very little."

      This could also be relevant for Israel :

      link to
      " Barry Posen, a respected academic at MIT, argues in a recent book that if the US were to cut its defence spending from 4.5 per cent to 2.5 per cent of gross domestic product America could force its allies to defend themselves and release $75bn a year to help rebuild the nation back at home.* "

    • I think whoever is elected POTUS is going to be a sociopath. Most powerful position in the world, funded by plutocrats, a deluded economic system headed for 4 degree global warming on current settings - what are the chances of an Atticus Finch turning up, honestly ?

      Time for a dose of Trudell

      link to

      He talks about being spiritually disconnected from the past, cancers of greed and war, nobody is taking responsibility - that's where Zionism is at too.

      "No spiritual relationship to their own descendants"

    • That part of the US is a bit like Australia- very fragile and unsuited to European population levels. I didn't think CC would hit so quickly.

      I'm in Europe- have been watching the flowers struggle this summer- roses were badly hit- only about half bloomed. Now it's September and there are still buds waiting for the right moment to burst forth. That lack of predictable weather for agriculture is going to be existential for food production given the population load of the planet.

      I dread the storms winter will bring. There is so much more energy in the atmosphere and last winter was brutal.

      Syria's war was driven initially the climate change refugees.
      Iraq is also about water.

      link to

      The Middle East may have been the area of the Bible but if the Tigris dries up before Basra and the Nile reduces its flow to Egypt what sort of chance does Israel have of avoiding the chaos long term ?

    • I don't think Janet Yellen's magic is going to bring the US economy as far as Q4 2015. Stagnation may be well entrenched by then. Hill has no economic policies other than more neoliberalism- ie more money for the 0.01 percent. They really need it. The employed as a percentage of population is back down to levels last seen in the mid 70s. A lot of Americans have given up on the job market. Wages are not rising in any meaningful way for the average punter and retail is suffering. If people don't have more money in their pockets they can't spend it and the economy can't grow.

      This will probably be the number one issue come the election, especially if Wall St crashes and housing prices start falling again.

      So Hill is more likely to fall over finance. As someone she is married to once said "it's the economy, stupid" .

    • ISIS the biggest problem in the Middle East just as the dem primaries start. Que sorpresa.

      And here's a tikkun olam update- 2 mothers explain what Israel's water policy in Gaza means to their kids

      starts at 2.30

    • It seems strange that ISIS crops up as "the biggest problem in the Middle East" just as the democratic primary season is about to start.
      ISIS was nowhere 2 years ago.

    • This video has less commentary

      link to

      Bernie's use of Netanyahu's talking points as well as of the hand to get people to STFU is noted

    • Why do you think climate change will be such an issue in the South West next year, Philip ?
      I imagine eventually it will expose the US political system for the oligarchical joke it is. The amount of space Israel takes up in it is such a sign of how twisted the priorities are and I can't see that continuing when climate change really gets going.

    • Israel can't afford a war of attrition, Yonah. The economy is already slowing down and the bank of Israel has limited interest rate leverage given the low level of interest rates. If 95% of Israeli jews support the carnage it means only 5% of Israeli jews understand economics and what determines their standard of living.

    • Maybe there have been so few protests against Assad because the public figured out he would become an ally in the war against ISIS LOL.

    • Private eye magazine have a cartoon about Obama that goes like this

      Obama 2008
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      Obama 2014
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    • Phil

      You remind me a bit of Harry Dent, who has predicted 12 out of the last 2 recessions.
      Israel is doomed but not just yet.

    • Krauss
      "The Financial Times, one of the world’s leading business news organisations, is recognised internationally for its authority, integrity and accuracy."

      Their slogan is "without fear of favour"

      But they can't do it consistently on Israel although they do have some excellent articles that show that Israel is circling the toilet bowl.

      Money is still holding a lot of people back from speaking their minds on Israel.

      But it's a minority of a minority who pull the strings and they are due a serious correction.

    • "Famously, Hillary Clinton lost her bid to be president in 2008 six years before the election, when she cast a vote for the Iraq war."

      No Dem is going to call out Israel for the racist cruel vindictive deluded tinpot ethnocentric provincial kip that it is. Unless someone can show me where the alternative money for a 2016 run is going from.

      Voting against Iraq was easy but against Israel, in 2016? Too early I bet.
      the cause is not yet lost in middle America, ya salaam.

    • Israel is a car crash as this FT editorial shows.
      Is it anti-Semitic to say Israel has gone off the deep end?

      link to

      "First, Israel, a mature democracy, is frequently subjected to a double standard that is not applied to other states. To criticise Israel for its intervention in Gaza is not anti-Semitic, even though some of the Jewish state’s supporters claim it to be so. A distinction can be drawn between those who criticise Israel and those who demonise it, subjecting it to opprobrium well beyond what would apply to any other nation. In London this month, thousands marched in protest at Israel’s actions in Gaza. Why have there been few such demonstrations against the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, now responsible for 150,000 deaths?

      It is also reasonable to ask whether Europeans today display an indifference towards anti-Semitism that is not evident when there are attacks on other faiths. Across Europe those demonstrating against Israel use crude anti-Jewish slogans and images to press home their case, but there is rarely a public backlash. An example of such indifference came in London last week when the manager of a J Sainsbury supermarket store withdrew kosher food from the shelves for fear that anti-Israeli protesters might attack the shop. By doing so, the store appeased Israel haters. It also deprived religious people in Britain of their rights.

      The hope of all must be the creation of a Palestinian state alongside a lasting guarantee of Israeli security. Europe’s political and religious leaders must redouble efforts in the fight against all racism. They should defend religious liberty and the right of people of all faiths to practise their religion without fear or intimidation.
      The alternative – a world of bigotry and intolerance – is a menace to us all."

      And when Israel is a global centre of bigotry and intolerance, with zero interest in granting Palestinians their rights, what is a thinking person to do ?

  • The day the settlers left: Gaza during the 'Disengagement'
    • This is a real gamechanging moment in the struggle for Palestinian rights.
      Israel has completely lost the plot. 4 Jewish civilians killed, over 2300 Palestinians and Netanyahu goes apeshit over 1 Jewish child.

      And the world gets it now.
      Jews have to reclaim their religion from Zionism. It's never nice watching a relative fail to deal with addiction. But leaving the drugs to work without treatment is the worst a relative can do.

  • As Salaita's case becomes a cause, U of Illinois issues declarations on 'civility'
    • How come the Mensches now are mostly Palestinian ?

      Maysoon Ziyad interview in Ha'aretz

      link to
      "Zayid has clear answers about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “The supremacists want superior status to be granted, based on faith, and the indigenous population refuses to be subjugated ... We all know the wall lets through thousands of Palestinian laborers without permits, daily. If security allows these people to be the workforce, I see no reason they shouldn’t be granted equal rights. Everyone would get along just fine if the Palestinians were granted equal rights and let out of their cage. There are extremists everywhere, including America ... Once everybody is granted freedom and equality, the extremists will no longer wield any power.”

      The solution to the conflict, in her view, lies in establishment of a single secular democratic state between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. She addressed this issue on the Daily Beast website last year. “I support one secular state, and ... doing so does not make me anti-Semitic, delusional, or genocidal,” she wrote, adding that “being a secular state with equal rights does not deny the Jewish people their identity… Many will say, ‘But one state denies Israel’s right to self-determination’ ... If your right to self-determination means denying the lion’s share of the indigenous population equal rights then it is not an internationally recognized human right …”

      She adds, at the end: “Make it crystal clear that I am not a normalizer, that I believe there is an oppressed and an oppressor. I am an advocate for equal rights and one secular state that is a safe haven for all its citizens. I am against the killing of civilians by anyone at any time. I am a hardcore advocate for nonviolence.” "

      Hatred makes Zionism's ass look enormous

  • A visit to the East Jerusalem hospital treating children injured by Israeli strikes on Gaza
    • You do need to do dirty stuff at the national level to successfully tweak the effectiveness of the mitzvot at the local level. Believers need quiet to communicate with g-d and the odd murdered (Arab) child is a small price to pay for the peace of mind that goes with the dairy and meat issue.You have to do your pre Sabbath shopping pre the Sabbath, obviously, for example. To communicate with the unspeakable you do have to do the unspeakable sometimes, Mooser.
      It's all controllable and it will never take over entirely, oh no. There are very smart people in charge .

      Justice, revenge, justice, revenge, madness , justice, revenge, madness madness

    • The systematic evil that keeps Jon's income where it is relative to Gaza- it takes a lot of work, you know.

    • Deeper into depravity - but what would you expect from Israel ?

      link to

    • From 2009, post Cast Lead, which seemed particularly brutal at the time but of course was just a warm up to what is transpiring now

      link to
      "Seven Jewish Children - a Play for Gaza

      Caryl Churchill

      No children appear in the play. The speakers are adults, the parents and if you like other relations of the children. The lines can be shared out in any way you like among those characters. The characters are different in each small scene as the time and child are different.


      Tell her it's a game

      Tell her it's serious

      But dont frighten her

      Dont tell her they'll kill her

      Tell her it's important to be quiet

      Tell her she'll have cake if she's good

      Tell her to curl up as if she's in bed

      But not to sing.

      Tell her not to come out

      Tell her not to come out even if she hears shouting

      Dont frighten her

      Tell her not to come out even if she hears nothing for a long time

      Tell her we'll come and find her

      Tell her we'll be here all the time.

      Tell her something about the men

      Tell her they're bad in the game

      Tell her it's a story

      Tell her they'll go away

      Tell her she can make them go away if she keeps still

      By magic

      But not to sing.


      Tell her this is a photograph of her grandmother, her uncles and me

      Tell her her uncles died

      Dont tell her they were killed

      Tell her they were killed

      Dont frighten her.

      Tell her her grandmother was clever

      Dont tell her what they did

      Tell her she was brave

      Tell her she taught me how to make cakes

      Dont tell her what they did

      Tell her something

      Tell her more when she's older.

      Tell her there were people who hated jews

      Dont tell her

      Tell her it's over now

      Tell her there are still people who hate jews

      Tell her there are people who love jews

      Dont tell her to think jews or not jews

      Tell her more when she's older

      Tell her how many when she's older

      Tell her it was before she was born and she's not in danger

      Dont tell her there's any question of danger.

      Tell her we love her

      Tell her dead or alive her family all love her

      Tell her her grandmother would be proud of her.


      Dont tell her we're going forever

      Tell her she can write to her friends, tell her her friends can maybe come and visit

      Tell her it's sunny there

      Tell her we're going home

      Tell her it's the land God gave us

      Dont tell her religion

      Tell her her great great great great lots of greats grandad lived there

      Dont tell her he was driven out

      Tell her, of course tell her, tell her everyone was driven out and the country is waiting
      for us to come home

      Dont tell her she doesnt belong here

      Tell her of course she likes it here but she'll like it there even more.

      Tell her it's an adventure

      Tell her no one will tease her

      Tell her she'll have new friends

      Tell her she can take her toys

      Dont tell her she can take all her toys

      Tell her she's a special girl

      Tell her about Jerusalem.


      Dont tell her who they are

      Tell her something

      Tell her they're bedouin, they travel about

      Tell her about camels in the desert and dates

      Tell her they live in tents

      Tell her this wasnt their home

      Dont tell her home, not home, tell her they're going away

      Dont tell her they dont like her

      Tell her to be careful.

      Dont tell her who used to live in this house

      No but dont tell her her great great grandfather used to live in this house

      No but dont tell her Arabs used to sleep in her bedroom.

      Tell her not to be rude to them

      Tell her not to be frightened

      Dont tell her she cant play with the children

      Dont tell her she can have them in the house.

      Tell her they have plenty of friends and family

      Tell her for miles and miles all round they have lands of their own

      Tell her again this is our promised land.

      Dont tell her they said it was a land without people

      Dont tell her I wouldnt have come if I'd known.

      Tell her maybe we can share.

      Dont tell her that.


      Tell her we won

      Tell her her brother's a hero

      Tell her how big their armies are

      Tell her we turned them back

      Tell her we're fighters

      Tell her we've got new land.


      Dont tell her

      Dont tell her the trouble about the swimming pool

      Tell her it's our water, we have the right

      Tell her it's not the water for their fields

      Dont tell her anything about water.

      Dont tell her about the bulldozer

      Dont tell her not to look at the bulldozer

      Dont tell her it was knocking the house down

      Tell her it's a building site

      Dont tell her anything about bulldozers.

      Dont tell her about the queues at the checkpoint

      Tell her we'll be there in no time

      Dont tell her anything she doesnt ask

      Dont tell her the boy was shot

      Dont tell her anything.

      Tell her we're making new farms in the desert

      Dont tell her about the olive trees

      Tell her we're building new towns in the wilderness.

      Dont tell her they throw stones

      Tell her they're not much good against tanks

      Dont tell her that.

      Dont tell her they set off bombs in cafes

      Tell her, tell her they set off bombs in cafes

      Tell her to be careful

      Dont frighten her.

      Tell her we need the wall to keep us safe

      Tell her they want to drive us into the sea

      Tell her they dont

      Tell her they want to drive us into the sea.

      Tell her we kill far more of them

      Dont tell her that

      Tell her that

      Tell her we're stronger

      Tell her we're entitled

      Tell her they dont understand anything except violence

      Tell her we want peace

      Tell her we're going swimming.


      Tell her she cant watch the news

      Tell her she can watch cartoons

      Tell her she can stay up late and watch Friends.

      Tell her they're attacking with rockets

      Dont frighten her

      Tell her only a few of us have been killed

      Tell her the army has come to our defence

      Dont tell her her cousin refused to serve in the army.

      Dont tell her how many of them have been killed

      Tell her the Hamas fighters have been killed

      Tell her they're terrorists

      Tell her they're filth


      Dont tell her about the family of dead girls

      Tell her you cant believe what you see on television

      Tell her we killed the babies by mistake

      Dont tell her anything about the army

      Tell her, tell her about the army, tell her to be proud of the army. Tell her about the family of dead girls, tell her their names why not, tell her the whole world knows why shouldnt she know? tell her there's dead babies, did she see babies? tell her she's got nothing to be ashamed of. Tell her they did it to themselves. Tell her they want their children killed to make people sorry for them, tell her I'm not sorry for them, tell her not to be sorry for them, tell her we're the ones to be sorry for, tell her they cant talk suffering to us. Tell her we're the iron fist now, tell her it's the fog of war, tell her we wont stop killing them till we're safe, tell her I laughed when I saw the dead policemen, tell her they're animals living in rubble now, tell her I wouldnt care if we wiped them out, the world would hate us is the only thing, tell her I dont care if the world hates us, tell her we're better haters, tell her we're chosen people, tell her I look at one of their children covered in blood and what do I feel? tell her all I feel is happy it's not her.
      Dont tell her that.
      Tell her we love her.
      Dont frighten her."

      Bukra fi Dowlah Yehudieh. Bukra fi mishmish.

    • At the time this seemed extremist but it was nothing compared to the orgy of death that Netanyahu unleashed

      link to

      "The secretary-general of World Bnei Akiva, Rabbi Noam Perel, called for revenge of the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens, the bodies of whom were found Monday.
      "An entire nation and thousands of years of history demand revenge," Perel posted on his Facebook page, shortly after the bodies were found.

      "The government of Israel is gathering for a revenge meeting that isn't a grief meeting. The landlord has gone mad at the sight of his sons' bodies. A government that turns the army of searchers to an army of avengers, an army that will not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins," Perel wrote, alluding to the biblical tale of David, who killed 200 Philistines and gave their foreskins to King Saul as the bride price for his daughter."

      "The disgrace will be paid for with the blood of the enemy, not with our tears," Perel concluded. "

      He could prolly get a job with JStreet now.

    • link to

      "A mortar bomb fired from Gaza killed a four-year-old Israeli child in a border collective farm on Friday, Israeli security sources said."

      Stand by for Yossi Israeli to go postal. Israel was supposed to end the agony of Jewish kids being killed. Killing hundreds of Palestinian kids was supposed to make Jewish kids safer. Jews are especially sensitive about losing kids etc.
      Palestinians of course should be used to it by now and of course they have no emotional feelings since they are Orientals. We even offered them greenhouses, the ingrates. We are Jews and we repair the world by trying to bring them in line, for their own good. Is that right, Jon_s? Please correct as necessary. I am working from memory.

      Netanyahu will claim revenge for this totally appalling death and order another 500 dead Gazan kids.

    • The only way any of these kids could ever get to Jerusalem was to be injured by the IDF. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the families aren't allowed to Israel's indivisible bullshit capital

  • Coming Soon: A new Mondoweiss
  • Jodi Rudoren loves a winner
    • If it was morally legitimate one would have expected Israel to cauterize open wounds - compensate the refugees, tie up the legal work, at least leave them with something instead of hanging in the wind. But Zionism could never do decency which is why the question remains open and 1948 is never finished. Gaza is another flare up of 1948.

      And Israel now is hardly going to make it. The notion that European Jews suffering from "anti-Semitism" will shut up shop and move to the Jewish moral latrine on the Med to feel safe is laughable.

    • It's Time To Stop 'Managing' the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and Just End It

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    • Why do things we find beautiful undermine power?
      link to

      Things like rights for Palestinians

    • "There’s a longstanding conventional wisdom that Israel doesn’t do well in wars of attrition,”

      $60m per day, can't afford to compensate Jews in Southern Israel, economy slowing down

      Israel can't afford much more. The government wouldn't last- they are already all over the place

      And the PR damage is out of the park.
      They even lost MJ Rosenberg FFS.

      The notion that history is over and Israel has won- I don't buy it
      It's the longue duree that counts.

  • 'Ads Against Apartheid' is going national
    • Gaza will have to be rebuilt and nobody is going to put money in if the siege is still being run.

      Poor Israel is going to have look at Gaza differently.

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      "Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu threatened to escalate the fight against Hamas, vowing the group would “pay a heavy price” after a four-year-old Israeli boy was killed by a mortar attack from Gaza, the first Israeli child to die in the six-week conflict."

  • Waging resource warfare on Palestine
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      "UN agencies and countries donating financial aid to the Palestinians are demanding that Israel lift its blockade on trade and movement in to and out of the Gaza Strip as a precondition for any future reconstruction plan.
      The donors, led by Norway, are making the call because of the scale of physical destruction during Israel’s Protective Edge military operation in Gaza, which Robert Serry, a senior UN official, this week said would be about three times the extent of damage caused by Operation Cast Lead in 2008-9, until now Israel’s most destructive war against Hamas.
      They want a relaxation of the current regime – under which Israel meticulously vets imports into Gaza of construction and other materials that it says might have dual-purpose use for military ends, such as building tunnels – because it would slow what is expected to be a massive rebuilding effort to a crawl.
      Pierre Krahenbuhl, commissioner general for the UN Relief and Works Agency, said it would take 15 years or more to rebuild if the current regime were not relaxed."

  • 'We made a mistake. There is a sickness inside our community' -- Jacob Ari Labendz in the synagogue
    • They have hollowed out Judaism. It's a shell now.

      Cordyceps is worth watching if you haven't seen it
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      But Cordyceps serves a natural function. What is the purpose of Zionism? To drive all the Jews in Israel over the cliff of fascism ? For what ?

      That someone has to go to a synagogue and state the bleeding obvious- Israel has lost it. Is it not understandable? Does it have to be spelt out ? Do people still believe the tikkun olam self-medication ? The world is going to have to repair Judaism. (Yes Mooser, not everyone) And it's going to hurt

    • In the week that 200 Jewish thugs descended on the wedding of a Jew and a Muslim to protest the Rassenschande it's interesting to look around the world at other models of religious coexistence which will be required post Zionism

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      "saaNsoN kii maalaa pe simruuN maiN pii ka naam

      apne mann kii maiN jaanuuN aur pii ke mann kii Ram

      With every breath I take, I chant the name of my beloved I know of my heart, and God knows of the heart of my beloved

      yahii merii bandagii hai, yahii merii puujaa

      This is my salutation [and] this is my prayer.

      ek thaa saajan mandir meN aur ek thaa pritam masjid meN

      par maiN prem ke rang meN aisii Duubii ban gayaa ek hii ruup

      One lover was in the temple and another in the mosque but to me, immersed in the joy of love, both seemed same"

      Take it away, Nusrah Fateh ali Khan

      Zionism is such a dismal, petty and miserable ideology

    • Very impressive

      "Whether we love Israel or not, we made a mistake when we forgot about the richness of our heritage and its temporal and geographical breadth"

      I happened to be listening to this while reading it

      There is so much more to life than the nihilism of Zionism. Jews can and do do way better.

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • What will actually happen is that the Israeli Jewish poor will be shafted.
      The song is always the same. Beitar Jerusalem fans think the elites are on their side but it's all time dependent, suckers.

    • I think Israel is losing the FT readership , if the comments here are any barometer

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    • Bibi's endgame is giving everyone in Israel a pony. And the Palestinians are taken in by passing gypsies. If you build it they will come. Inshallah.

      They have 22 other states. There never was such a thing as Palestine. He has been spouting the same shite for over 40 years.

  • 'NYT' op-ed calls on Jews to abandon liberal Zionism and push for equal rights
    • The NYT is McDonald's compared to Mondo which is at least a 1 star Michelin.

      NYT info content is less than 15%. Like beef fed on GM corn and antibiotics.
      Rudoren is a complete joke.

      Israel's world is slowly falling apart and the NYT is serving up hasbara dated to at last 1977.

    • Things have changed a lot since 1974 when Kinky friedman wrote "they ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore"

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      "He says, i ain't a racist but aristitle onassis is one greek we don't need
      And them niggers, jews and sigma nus, all they ever do is breed.
      And wops n micks n slopes n spics n spooks are on my list
      And there's one little hebe from the heart of texas is there anyone I missed ?

      Well, I hits him with everything I had right square between the eyes.
      I says, i'm gonna gitcha, you son of a bitch ya, for spoutin' that pack of lies.
      If there's one thing I can't abide, it's an ethnocentric racist;
      Now you take back that thing you said bout aristitle onassis.

      No, they ain't makin' jews like jesus anymore,
      We don't turn the other cheek the way we done before."

      And ethnocentric racism doesn't really suit Judaism either

    • He is fu$king nuts. A complete headcase. "We must defend ourselves and be just". Why don't you stop murdering children, Ari? Do you think it goes down well in Galut ?

    • He's an eminence grise of Zionism which translates to weirdo in Galut.

    • "but you now see rifts opening up in the American Jewish community, especially under this lunatic government [in Israel]. "

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      "Here’s an abridged version of the events of the past week. Security cabinet member Tzipi Livni, the justice minister, stated that carrying on negotiations with Hamas in Cairo was a mistake: “We need to go on deterring the Palestinians,” she averred. Another member of the cabinet, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, used his Facebook page to lash out at the policy being dictated by the prime minister: “If we are talking seriously about the security of Israel’s inhabitants, we need to understand that there is no other possibility than a determined Israeli move with one aim – to vanquish Hamas.”

      In the midst of the Cairo talks, yet another cabinet member, Economy Minister Naftali Bennett, called for an “immediate halt” to negotiations in the Egyptian capital, in favor of adoption of the approach he is promoting, which he calls “unilateral enforcement.” Under this scheme, Israel will be very generous on the humanitarian side, and at the same time will batter Hamas relentlessly, using the “lawnmower” method, as he put it.

      In reaction, Lieberman mockingly said Bennett is “a minister who suffers from amnesia.” And Bennett, after being scolded by Netanyahu in the security cabinet meeting on Wednesday of last week, and afterward in a press conference, issued a terse statement to the media: “One does not conduct negotiations with a terrorist organization. Period. My opinion on this will not change.” ""

    • "They lie to us and then they lie to themselves about lying to us"


    • Dresden was a war crime. Winners are never punished.
      One of the worst things the Brits did in 1945 was send back Russians who had fought with the Germans at bayonet point to Stalin's soldiers and certain death.

    • A housing crash in Israel is probably 40% likely. Higher if deflation takes over in the Eurozone.

      Punters are waiting for zero VAT - a very bad/good sign, depending on your stance on justice.

    • All of the spin coming from Hasbara central- whether Isis is Hamas, the Palestinians are evil,. they are backward, we love gays, we repair the world, Bar Refaeli is to die for- ignores the key issue of Palestinian rights.

      If the only way Israel can exist is by denying Palestinian rights, Israel has no future. And it really doesn't matter how many twinks are in the IDF, frankly.

    • Meanwhile Shavit holds the line for the forces of darkness in Ha'aretz. What a crock of avshit.

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      "But none of Israel’s sins can justify the return of Israel-hatred. Winston Churchill bombarded Dresden, Franklin Roosevelt bombarded Tokyo and Harry Truman destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No decent man in the world thinks that because of these disproportionate acts these great leaders became war criminals. Bill Clinton attacked in Serbia, Tony Blair attacked in Iraq and Barack Obama attacked in Afghanistan. No honest person in the world believes that because of those strikes Britain and the United States are illegitimate.

      Only when Israel makes massive use of its power and only when Israel displays ugly fringe phenomena is the response a denial of its very right to exist. Only when Jews act like any other nation would act in similar circumstances is the result a rage at their very existence.

      Anti-Semitism creates certain obligations. First of all, it sets a challenge before the world’s nations – don’t go back there. Western culture will cease to be a culture if it allows the ancient hatred to make it lose its senses again. But anti-Semitism also sets a challenge before Israelis, from right and left. The nationalists among us must finally understand that we are not China or Russia; we’re not a superpower. Both because of our values and our circumstances, we don’t really have a prospect for living by our sword alone.

      The liberals among us must also understand that we’re not China or Russia, not a superpower. We’re a tiny minority-nation under attack, and sweeping criticism of this nation is like sweeping criticism of the black, gay or Yazidi minority. Despite the Zionist revolution and Israeli sovereignty, we’re still Jews. As Jews we must defend ourselves, and as Jews we must stand for justice. "

      Justice is meaningless when basic rights are completely ignored.

      But there is good news

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      "The army’s spending demands are so big that treasury officials fear that the budgets over the next three years will be subjugated to military needs at the expense of civilian spending. The problem is made worse by concerns that tax revenues will be smaller than expected amid signs that the economy is slowing. Those concerns become all the more acute if Israel enters into a war of attrition with Hamas, which would both debilitate the economy and increase defense costs."

  • In Photos: Thousands pack Rafah streets for funeral of top Hamas commanders
    • One of your rabbis demanded 300 Philistine foreskins for killing 3 Jews but the exchange rate has obviously inflated along with the Israel real estate market.
      And you're a fairly educated Israeli- I can only imagine the extremism in the poorer districts of Tel Aviv.

    • I find it incredible that you live less than 20 miles from Gaza and you have no idea of life there. Have you ever visited Gaza? Did you ever speak to anyone from Gaza ?

    • Apparently none of the kids Israel murdered today had any legal representation either.

    • It's run by Jews, Jon. I'm sure if you ever find yourself on the other side of the fence you won't say it's Likud's fault. The system you are such a part of is only possible when Gaza is treated as it is. That is the price of your Jewish Disneyland.

    • "I was driving home , after doing my pre-shabbat shopping "

      1 Very few Gazans can afford a car
      2 there are over 200,000 living in Un Shelters, not at home
      3 Over 10,000 homes have been destroyed
      4 80% don't have enough money to go pre Shabbat food shopping

      Bastards in Tel Aviv run the system for you

    • What happened to Kastner after he moved to Israel, Jon? He collaborated with the Nazis.

    • Would classing it as a Hannibal procedure make it acceptable, Jon ?

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      "Assassinations of Hamas commanders could make Netanyahu the hero
      Such successes sink both the group’s morale and ability to carry out operations from Gaza. They’re also popular with Israelis suffering in the south. "

      Delighted for Jon and his neighbours who have been having trouble sleeping recently.

  • Democratic Party leader echoes Netanyahu's new theme: Hamas equals ISIS
    • Zionism desperately needs lots of "look over there! " . They don't wany anyone looking at what has become of Dorian Israel.

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      "And more than securing Israel’s security, ending the occupation is a matter of securing Israel’s soul. What strikes me most about interacting with Americans on this issue, even political and informed Americans, is how many don’t fully comprehend the rise in ultra-conservatism and ethno-nationalism in Israel. People don’t want to think of Israel as that kind of country, and so they shut their ears to it. Yet the evidence grows every day; Netanyahu’s cabinet is virulently extreme, the fringe right-wing parties grow more powerful, the racism and bigotry of the street protests more and more explicit and unafraid. Look, just today, we learn that the Israeli government is targeting the family of Mohammed Abu Khder, the 16 year old Palestinian who was burned to death by Israeli terrorists. This is the type of ugliness, of nastiness, that is seeping into the firmament of Israeli society. This is what journalists like Gideon Levy and Max Blumenthal have been investigating in their work, and this is why they are considered so dangerous: because they threaten to expose to progressive people the reality of the growing reactionary nature of Israel’s internal politics."

    • QE isn't working. War is the old reliable.

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      " Capital must be destroyed in order for liquidity to be usefully deployed once again — especially if it is to deliver investment returns.Hence, why wars are so hugely useful for dealing with economic depressions. They permanently and effectively destroy capacity. Not just the surplus capacity that plagues the system, but core capacity, which serves a genuine economic need. Indeed, it’s the need for the capacity to be reinstalled that in many ways justifies a return on investment again."

      It is such a sick system.

      BTW growth in Iraq is back to 8% now. Imagine that in the US.

    • @MJayRosenberg · 21h

      Hillary still in talks with AIPAC to get permission to say something about Michael Brown.

    • And of course Arbeit macht frei , Peres is a statesman and Israel is deeply sorry.

    • Is there any chance ISIS might be a sockpuppet to justify more military spending and boost a flagging US economy ?

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    • Israelis are really suffering
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      "War delays start of Israeli soccer season
      The league opts not to hold every match in the north, where all is quiet."

      The terrorists must be punished
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      "Gaza severely short of water for drinking and bathing
      A major consequence of the water shortage, caused by Israeli strikes, is the outbreak of skin disease and other infections.
      Even in normal times, more than 90 percent of Gaza’s water is unfit for drinking because Israel requires the Palestinian Authority — which is responsible for the water system — to make do with the groundwater located in Gaza itself, despite the enormous growth of the Strip’s population. This has led to constant overpumping, which in turn has resulted in seawater and sewage contaminating the groundwater. Therefore, people depend on the purification plants for drinking water. "

      And to think the bots say Gaza could have been Singapore 2.0 ! FFS.

      No daylight between the US and Israel. Otherwise civilization is in danger.
      Israel may have to go fully fascist in order for civilization to be saved.

      Is this G-d's plan ? Call toll free now.

    • "cited the oppression of women, Christians and gays as a shared program."

      Good old gaymosexuals and lesbitarians, endlessly recyclable in Israel's hasbara.

      Meanwhile 46% of Israelis disapprove of homosexuality.

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