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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • 'The New York Times' throws another sop to lovers of Israel
    • I can imagine Ivri's idea of sexy- - strips for Cast Lead morale boosting , runs checkpoint humiliation programs, looks great in shades and uzi, never reads books other than the Torah and doesn't understand Israeli patriarchy and how she is used

  • Tell your congressperson: Don't attend Netanyahu's speech
    • Bibi is a wild motherfucker and a chaos monger. I've been watching a few films with the kids recently. He is a stock movie villain like Mandrake in Epic

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      kids get a lot of chaos packed into 2 hours at the cinema but it always ends well. And it's the same in the MSM. But in the real world the trauma just goes on and on for anyone unfortunate enough to be an deemed an enemy of Zionism.

    • Zionism wants Iran to go though the same hell as Libya all so that Israel strings things out for a few more years of paranoia and hatred

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      "Libya has a practice of not seeking help for psychological problems, and the few trained psychologists and psychiatrists have very limited experience of treating trauma and consequences of torture and war,” the report said.

      “In addition, severe social stigma exists regarding those affected by mental illness. Psychiatric symptoms are attributed to the act of pagan symbols like the evil eye, magic or sorcery.”

      Ahlam Chemlali, one of the Dignity field workers, recalled how “videos of rape and torture were so widespread and popular that people would name characters from the videos, like the ‘butcher from Misrata’ or the ‘rapist from Brega’ as if they were actors playing in a horror snuff movie. Filmed torture seems to have been a consistent way of spreading or exposing fear.”

      The report recalls the exhilaration in Benghazi when the Libyan revolution began in February 2011 but concludes that both the short-term consequences of the internal conflict and the long-term legacy of 42 years of Gaddafi’s rule remain unaddressed."

      The short term consequences and the long term legacy issues around setting up a Zionist base in the levant were never addressed either.

  • Burnat and Barghouthi are reportedly assaulted during West Bank demonstrations
    • He must have been tortured systematically . The bots advised the Yanks in Iraq on torture. It's all about control. Who is top dog. You do what I say

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      "The report suggests Abu Zubaydah was a broken man after his extensive interrogations. In CIA documents he is described as having become so compliant that “when the interrogator raised his eyebrows” he would walk to the “water table” and sit down. The interrogator only had to snap his fingers twice for Abu Zabaydah to lie down, ready for water-boarding, the report says."

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      The memo described ten techniques which the interrogators wanted to use: "(1) attention grasp, (2) walling, (3) facial hold, (4) facial slap (insult slap), (5) cramped confinement, (6) wall standing, (7) stress positions, (8) sleep deprivation, (9) insects placed in a confinement box, and (10) the waterboard.”[32] Many of the techniques were, until then, generally considered illegal.[12][73][76][86][94][95] Many other techniques developed by the CIA were held to constitute inhumane and degrading treatment and torture under the United Nations Convention against Torture and Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.[73]

      As reported later, many of these interrogation techniques were previously considered illegal under U.S. and international law and treaties at the time of Zubaydah's capture.[73][94] For instance, the United States had prosecuted Japanese military officials after World War II and American soldiers after the Vietnam War for waterboarding.[94] Since 1930, the United States had defined sleep deprivation as an illegal form of torture.[12] Many other techniques developed by the CIA constitute inhuman and degrading treatment and torture under the United Nations Convention against Torture, and Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.[73]"

      Don't forget the Zionist rationale for this

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      "Terrorism has altered the landscape in many areas, including the rules of war and engagement, law, investigative and interrogation techniques, and the detention of enemy combatants. Journalism is no exception"

      Torture is the price of the "Jewish state". If you want to have all those powerful mitzvoth in one place you need sons of bitches to manage the perimeter of the force field.

    • His true face has worms growing out of it.

    • More Hastings on the car crash

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      "But I have also watched the soldiers of the Israeli Army that I once loved disport themselves among the Palestinians like other arrogant occupiers through the ages, displaying at best casual rudeness, at worst murderous brutality.
      Israel aspires to exploit its military dominance to create irreversible facts on the ground in the West Bank and Jerusalem, heedless of Palestinian rights.
      Ahron Bregman, the Israeli whose history of the Occupation I mentioned above, now lives and works in London rather than in his homeland. He ends his book by saying that all successful imperialist powers have sought to persuade subject peoples to work with them, allowing them to gain some advantage despite being conquered.
      Ahron Bregman, the Israeli whose history of the Occupation I mentioned, lives and works in London rather than in his homeland.

      He ends his book by saying all successful imperialist powers have sought to persuade subject people to work with them, allowing them to gain some advantage despite being conquered.

      Israel has never felt a need to offer this, says the author. Instead, it treats the Palestinians merely as tiresome blots on a landscape that many Israelis believe is rightfully Jewish anyway.

      For those who loved what we thought Israel used to be, it is heartbreaking to see what it has become today. That the crisis is giving rise to some ugly displays of anti-semitism in parts of Europe is utterly contemptible.

      But it is also contemptible that some apologists hurl charges of anti-semitism at all Israel’s critics – many of whom are admirers of so much that this great nation has achieved. Most of us merely attack Israeli excesses as we do those of Russia, Burma, China, Syria, the US or any other government that deploys disproportionate violence against those at its mercy.

      Israel’s people deserve a less unworthy leader than Netanyahu, and a higher vision than that of reducing Gaza to rubble.

      This can breed only a new generation of alienated, embittered Palestinian radicals, who will sustain their desperate struggle through decades to come. "

  • Like the Wind, We Will Be Free: How being detained at Ben Gurion airport during a family trip to Palestine reaffirmed my identity
    • " It is the human condition that directs the social condition, not vice versa."
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      the bots can try to turn Palestine off but they'd have more success trying to make a perpetual motion machine

      Zionism is such naïve ideology

  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • There is a bigger tectonic shift going on between the GOP and the Dems over issues like debt and healthcare and the bots are just a marginal wedge even if they have oversized influence.
      So maybe this particular episode will be covered up but if I were a bot strategist I'd be very worried for 2-3 years down the road. The trend is not good for Israel.

  • In Iraq and Syria the US sanctions its allies while its friends back its enemies (got that?)
    • The wars in Syria and Iraq are linked to the global economic situation and the stasis in US politics . The GOP won't accept healthcare reform but loves war spending. GOP pols don't do the dying either.

      Remember the logic of war

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      "Capital must be destroyed in order for liquidity to be usefully deployed once again — especially if it is to deliver investment returns.
      Hence, why wars are so hugely useful for dealing with economic depressions. They permanently and effectively destroy capacity. Not just the surplus capacity that plagues the system, but core capacity, which serves a genuine economic need. Indeed, it’s the need for the capacity to be reinstalled that in many ways justifies a return on investment again."

      Syria will be a super growth market once the war is over.

  • Letter from a Texas Maximum Security Prison: A personal reflection on Martin Luther King Day
    • Gamal

      Denning dismissed one of the Birmingham Six's appeal on the basis that, if it were accepted, then it meant all the police involved had fitted them up. The prospect of this was "such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that these actions should go any further."

      Very like this unforgettable sketch by Peter Cook called the biased judge (based on the trial of Jeremy Thorpe)

  • Diaspora Jews are not in 'exile,' they are at home
    • "“Nobody should ever feel the need to barricade themselves on stolen property in order to feel safe or at home.” -

      Sah kalamik wa sah kalam ummik

      Avigail Arbabanel nailed the problem with the shaab al yehudi al Israeli last year

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      "Trauma also creates something that in family therapy we call ‘destructive entitlement’. It means believing that our own suffering justifies inflicting suffering on others. This has been identified as a key mechanism in what we call in family therapy, ‘intergenerational transmission of trauma’. It obviously applies in groups and societies in general. Jewish Israeli parents do not see their children as being brainwashed. Only those of us on the outside see it that way. What they see is that their children are taught what they think is the correct way to look at the world and their place in it. What they failed to see is that their worldview is not a legitimate one, but rather the sad and unwell worldview generated by trauma. If you understand any cult, you understand Israeli society. Yes, when people have trauma war is more attractive because they think it is what is going to preserve them.

      They might crave peace but it is no more than an unattainable fantasy to them and a dangerous one at that. The most important principle in life to someone with trauma is survival, and at all cost. Paradoxically of course, trauma will often lead people to a path of self-destruct but this is only another expression of the self-contradictory nature of a psychology driven by trauma. Israel is entirely motivated by the idea of the survival of the Jewish people at all cost. Since trauma also causes a serious impairment in empathy (it is now observed in brain scans!), it is possible to inflict terrible harm on others in order to survive. The limbic (mammal) logic behind it is while I am at risk for my life, empathy and compassion are a luxury I can’t afford. Of course our prefrontal cortex tells us otherwise, but guess what? Trauma causes us to have limited access to the higher functions of the PFC, which is why compassion, empathy, self-awareness etc, are impaired. It’s lethal cocktail. It’s human (not specifically Jewish) and it is extremely dangerous when entire societies (with a lot of fire power and a well organised state bureaucracy) are based on this kind of psychology as I think Israel is, the US and for example, Germany during and between the two World Wars"…

      no need to say anything else.

      Israel is a very sick society. The only sane people in it are the 48 Palestinians.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • "However, I think this is a good move. It has the potential to expose the nefarious Israeli interference in American affairs. "

      I think so too. The bots have this power trip thing but they forget they are a minority wedge whose biggest risk is getting caught in a stand off between the 2 power blocs.
      And there is no love lost between Obama and the GOP now.

      He threw out the idea of a $300bn levy on wealth to fund programs for the poor and middle class- very interesting way to play on the economic concerns of ordinary Americans to the detriment of the GOP . If Israel goes too far the bots could be hoisted up as an enemy of middle America too.

  • Gaza war blowback? Palestinian stabs 13 on Tel Aviv bus.
    • Speaking arabic in West Jerusalem can be very dangerous.
      And it's an official language in Israel and everything.

      Rivlin's response is pure PR. His media tactics can't cover over almost 50 years of state sanctioned hatred.

    • Big deal if Israelis get stabbed- do they honestly expect security after last summer's savagery that had over 90% approval ? The occupation is now on balance sheet. Kids freeze to death in Gaza and Israelis expect life in their bubble to proceed as normal . Why ?

  • To counter radical Islam, we must confront our own hypocrisy
  • Palestinian Bedouin dies as Israeli police fire tear gas on funeral procession
    • MSM coverage is aimed at general readers/listeners.

      I gave up reading Sunday newspapers in the UK after I went to Palestine. There was too much of a gap between what I saw and what they published and I figured the situation must be similar in other areas. I watch ITN news every so often on satellite and I find it very basic. But great graphics.

      Finance is another example. They don't want to get a bank run going so they'll usually say everything is fine.

  • Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks
    • It's amazing that Hatikva- the hope of a Jewish state- turned into a right wing oasis of fear and loathing.
      That the only allies Israel has in Europe are the far right.

      I suppose it explains why the Nazis worked with the Zionists back in the day to solve the "Jewish problem".

    • It's

      Slán leat

      Bu there are far better insults in Irish for the morons in the Israeli embassy

  • #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique
    • If you change the Jews to Zionists it's a reasonable fit

      " Jews have too much power in the media. "•

      Given their size in terms of the population I think this is a fair point . look at the NYT

      Jews chase money more than other British people.

      Not fair to single out Jews ahead of Oxbridge grads, Gujuratis and Chinese origin but also fact based

      • Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people. •
      This is also based in fact for Zionists

      Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.

      Defo for Zionists

    • . Jews have too much power in the media.
      • Jews chase money more than other British people.
      • Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people.
      • Jews talk about the Holocaust too much in order to get sympathy.

      What is so anti-Semitic about those 4 ?

  • Two Palestinians are killed near Gush Etzion settlement bloc in West Bank
    • Walid

      the guardian has some detail

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      They were obviously showing the general around and some spy must have tipped off the bots.

      But they'll never forget Imad Mughnieyh, will they ?
      Or Yehya Ayyash.

    • "This looks like a deliberate provocation to sink the Iranian nuclear talks. "

      Hezbollah might remember it as a favor to be returned in kind at the right time

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • And when people link this to Judaism it's going to be very messy.

    • "yonah fredman January 17, 2015, 4:54 pm yes, chet, i believe the jew hatred by middle Eastern Arab Muslims in Europe has its roots in the Palestinian Israeli conflict. - "

      Do you think, Yonah, that a few more Palestinian dead will bring the Muslims around to admiring Israel, as the IDF strategists believe ?

    • There's a Jewish centre in Enge in Zurich that has security guards outside it on Jewish holidays. And that's because of what the IDF gets up to in Gaza.
      And it's very sad.
      But apparently Zionism doesn't give a shit about Jews in Europe.
      Because Gaza needs its beatings.

    • Page: 156
    • When you see Rula Jebreal talking about inclusiveness or read Bintbiba on how she sees things it's pretty clear that going over the dark side was the only way to keep Zionism going.

      So I wonder how long more it will linger.

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      If you, if you could get by
      Trying not to lie
      Things wouldn't be so confused
      And I wouldn't feel so used

      And where is the Jewish Luke Skywalker ?

    • Pride is not appropriate . Shame would be better

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      "A year ago, with another wave of hate crimes in the background, I visited a high school in Jerusalem. There were students there who declared they hated all the Arabs, that they did not want to see Arabs anywhere — “Not in the street, not in the mall, not on the light rail” — alongside others who offered a more complex message. Research and surveys in the last 20 years show that the strength of the first group has grown steadily, while the second group is shrinking and going silent. Hatred has become a major component in the personal and group identity of our youth. It is present all the time, and sometimes, in some places and depending on the events, it also rears its head toward immigrants and leftists.
      Then a month ago, in honor of Jerusalem Day, dozens of students banged on doors in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City while crying out, “Destroy the seed of Amalek,” “The Temple will be rebuilt, the mosque burned,” “Mohammed is dead,” and “Death to Arabs.” "

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      "Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
      This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival.
      Israel’s right-wing politicians instinctively know they need to reassert daily that the occupation is a military and moral necessity. This is why they keep explaining why a Palestinian state is an existential threat to Israel, and why Israel’s left has been selling empty illusions for decades. Of course, their case has been strengthened enormously by the second intifada and the shelling of southern Israel. But the constant fanning of fear not only serves Israel’s right politically. It also provides Israelis with a justification not only for the status quo, but for the expropriation, oppression and humiliation of Palestinians that Israelis have participated in for the last 47 years, to preserve the occupation.
      All of this is all-too-human. Only a few have the human strength of Moreh’s interviewees to look into the camera and say: “We did terrible things, and most of them could have been avoided if only the political leadership had realized that the occupation is Israel’s catastrophe.” Most Israelis, like most humans, need a narrative that justifies Israel’s actions as inevitable. "

      or bitterness

    • They still have mass conscription 7 decades later. Something failed. The model is broken, even if they frankensteined Hebrew.

    • I have met Israeli Jews and heard hasbara live and in real time. It's very interesting in the flesh but also depressing, the standardization and the lack of thinking.

  • I’ll blow out a candle, again, this year
    • What did the Palestinians do to deserve Zionism?

      2 separate peoples - the Jews had to mould themselves to the role of oppressors and the Palestinians had to become the sufferers.
      Which people is more damaged? It's not clear at the moment.

  • The legacy of Joan Peters and 'From Time Immemorial'
    • "World renowned historian Barbara Tuchman raved: “This book is a historical event in itself, a discovery that has lain in the dark all along until its revelation by Joan Peters’s unrelenting research. It could well change the course of events in the Middle East.”

      Tuchman wrote "the march of folly" . Zionism deserves its own chapter.
      Finkelstein's "image and reality of the Palestinian conflict" destroyed Peters' credibility.

  • ICC opens war crimes inquiry into Israel over Gaza war as Palestinians prepare another UN resolution
    • Muslims despise the double standard on Israel. Zionism is violence.
      Ultra dangerous because if others choose violence who is to say they are wrong?

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      "Veteran CNN anchor Jim Clancy stepped down on Friday, one week after a series of Twitter posts in which he mocked pro-Israel tweeters on a thread discussing the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
      Neither CNN nor Jim Clancy gave a reason for his departure, which was reported by AdWeek. Clancy had worked at CNN for 34 years. "

    • "Prosor slammed the Palestinian’s last foray at the Security Council in particular, because “It didn’t address Israel’s long-term security needs. It didn’t demand an end to Palestinian terrorism. And it didn’t recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.”

      and in East London a poster advertising Holocaust Remembrance day is defaced with the word "liars"

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      Zionist violence + political influence + global deflation= ultra dangerous

    • It depends Jeffy. Take out KPMG - sounds fairly drastic, dare I say Masada like. For a court defenestration sometimes no violence is needed especially when the people turn against the hero. That is what the bots are afraid of. A stitch up. So they'll scream and scream and scream. But the essence of tragedy is the remorseless working of things. And contingency is so cruel.

    • "In advance of the Palestinian government’s official ascension to the International Criminal Court (ICC) in three months, a prosecutor for the court has opened an inquiry into possible war crimes carried out by Israel."

      It would be so good to hear Shmuley Facepalm respond to this by noting that "they always come for the Jews".

    • "“The Palestinians are under the impression that the United Nations is their personal vending machine,” said Ambassador Ron Prosor on Wednesday at the Security Council in a debate on Middle East Peace. "

      I can imagine Arthur Seyss-Inquart saying the same to anyone objecting to the treatment of the Jews in the Netherlands during World War 2.
      The notion that certain people have the same rights as others is abhorrent to Nazis and those who channel their spirit.

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • Spot on Bornajoo

      Israel can only be cruel to the neighbours because it has a qualitative military advantage. Bullies are the same everywhere- stand up to them and they have no balls. Iranian nukes would change the balance of power and turn Israel back into a small country with very little strategic depth.

  • On CNN, Boteach lectures two prominent Muslims about freedom they 'enjoy' in US and Israel
  • 'Protest in the form of a prayer': Dream Defenders demonstration in Nazareth makes connections from Ferguson to Palestine
    • Someone like her couldn't live in Israel, even if she were Jewish - because of the humanity that Zionism denies people.

      There is a deep trauma that drives Israel's behavior and I have seen something like it in the fear of people who can't believe they are worth anything. Everything for them is bad, there is no point in hoping for things to improve. Zionism is such a grim mental framework.
      It belongs in trauma studies.

    • She's a poet- I have one of her books. This is one of her poems

      Wandering Around an Albuquerque Airport Terminal
      by Naomi Shihab Nye

      After learning my flight was detained 4 hours,
      I heard the announcement:
      If anyone in the vicinity of gate 4-A understands any Arabic,
      Please come to the gate immediately.
      Well -- one pauses these days. Gate 4-A was my own gate. I went there.
      An older woman in full traditional Palestinian dress,
      Just like my grandma wore, was crumpled to the floor, wailing loudly.
      Help, said the flight service person. Talk to her.
      What is her
      Problem? we told her the flight was going to be four hours late and she
      Did this.
      I put my arm around her and spoke to her haltingly.
      Shu dow-a, shu- biduck habibti, stani stani schway, min fadlick,
      Sho bit se-wee?
      The minute she heard any words she knew -- however poorly used -
      She stopped crying.
      She thought our flight had been cancelled entirely.
      She needed to be in El Paso for some major medical treatment the
      Following day. I said no, no, we're fine, you'll get there, just late,
      Who is picking you up? Let's call him and tell him.
      We called her son and I spoke with him in English.
      I told him I would stay with his mother till we got on the plane and
      Would ride next to her -- southwest.
      She talked to him. Then we called her other sons just for the fun of it.
      Then we called my dad and he and she spoke for a while in Arabic and
      Found out of course they had ten shared friends.
      Then I thought just for the heck of it why not call some Palestinian
      Poets I know and let them chat with her. This all took up about 2 hours.
      She was laughing a lot by then. Telling about her life. Answering
      She had pulled a sack of homemade mamool cookies -- little powdered
      Sugar crumbly mounds stuffed with dates and nuts -- out of her bag --
      And was offering them to all the women at the gate.
      To my amazement, not a single woman declined one. It was like a
      Sacrament. The traveler from Argentina, the traveler from California,
      The lovely woman from Laredo -- we were all covered with the same
      Powdered sugar. And smiling. There is no better cookies.
      And then the airline broke out the free beverages from huge coolers --
      Non-alcoholic -- and the two little girls for our flight, one African
      American, one Mexican American -- ran around serving us all apple juice
      And lemonade and they were covered with powdered sugar too.
      And I noticed my new best friend -- by now we were holding hands --
      Had a potted plant poking out of her bag, some medicinal thing,
      With green furry leaves. Such an old country traveling tradition. Always
      Carry a plant. Always stay rooted to somewhere.
      And I looked around that gate of late and weary ones and thought,
      This is the world I want to live in. The shared world.
      Not a single person in this gate -- once the crying of confusion stopped
      -- has seemed apprehensive about any other person.
      They took the cookies. I wanted to hug all those other women too.
      This can still happen anywhere.
      Not everything is lost.

  • Netanyahu's Parisian follies
    • Who gives a sh#t about the Israeli election? It's not as if Lapid or Lapdog are going to change anything. The good ship Israel is set in the direction of the cliff and no vote is going to change that.

    • He's a drone as soon as he starts opening his mouth

    • Guardian obituary of Mike Marqusee, another Jewish radical who was far too thoughtful to swallow the bullshit and thuggery of Zionism.

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      "In If I Am Not For Myself (2008), he melded together, in characteristic fashion, his own family history, political theory and close reading of canonical religious texts, separating out Jewishness from its co-option by the state of Israel. "

  • Why do Muslims object to depictions of their prophet?
    • Yonah, habibi

      "The Arab world doesn’t deserve analysis, only the Zionists deserve analysis. Maybe because you don’t do analysis. You only do condemnation. - "

      I can do analysis as required but the need of the hour was to take down your outrageous claim that Jews and Christians are supermen compared to Muslims. And that ignores the role of contingency in life. Plus the environmental catastrophe unfolding needed a mention.
      I really think Zionism has been a disaster for the land of Israel environment wise.

      If you disagree do please justify your stance.

      You don't need me to tell you Egypt is a lakhbatah gaamidah.

    • Yonah

      It conceives itself as an improvement on Judaism, the same way the Iphone bettered whatever Nokia were doing .
      Judaism and Islam got on pretty well until recently. The people of the book.

      Islam has more Judaism elements than Israel nowadays. That's sad.

    • "Muhammad copied (or shall we say Muhammad’s angel didn’t have to copy, because there was only one source to begin with) Judaism. He hoped/expected Judaism to declare him the continuation of their tradition. - "

      Take a different angle.Yonah.

      Muhammad was an entrepreneur with a genius for business. Like Ray Kroc. He saw the McDonalds brothers aka Judaism had a superb product but really poor marketing. So he came in, took the best elements, added the marketing and the rest is history.

      Judaism meanwhile only has a few restaurants 1300 years on with waiters like Shmuley Facepalm.

    • "The Muslim world has been confronted by the superiority of the western world in the following categories: education, science, technology and economy. "

      That is crap, Yonah. the lifestyle of the Palestinians who lived in Palestine before your crowd turned up was sustainable. the lifestyle of today's IDF cult members is not.

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      "Humans are “eating away at our own life support systems” at a rate unseen in the past 10,000 years by degrading land and freshwater systems, emitting greenhouse gases and releasing vast amounts of agricultural chemicals into the environment, new research has found."

      Israel is right up there with the degradation.

      Israeli Jews say they love the land and it is a fetish, definitely but from the Carmel fire to the Maccabi Games bridge disaster via the the concrete spread all over Israel and the OT, Zionism has been a disaster for Ha eretz.

      You are not any worse than the Americans but the people who lived there before the bots turned up were better shepherds of the land even if they didn't have digital porn at their fingertips.

    • What's good for the goose must be good for the gander. Claiming ownership based on a religious book like the Torah is nuts if Islam is a joke.

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • Amigo

      What really emerged from all the analysis when he died was what a waste of time he was.

    • Thanks. What sort of qualifications are required for burial in the Mount of Olives ? It sounds like having the status of close to Saladin's tomb in Damascus.

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      "Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, has compared his Israeli counterpart Binyamin Netanyahu to the Islamist militants whose attacks in Paris left 17 dead, saying both had committed crimes against humanity.
      “Netanyahu has committed crimes against humanity the same like those terrorists who carried out the Paris massacre,” he told reporters in televised comments.
      His comments risk fuelling the increasingly tense relationship between the two countries after the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, criticised Netanyahu for attending the anti-terror solidarity march in Paris at the weekend."

      There is a huge split developing between moderate Muslim leaders and Israel over the nihilism in Gaza . It's made possible by the clear lack of support for Israel in Europe and the fading power of the US in the region.

      All Israel will have soon is the bought whores in Congress.

    • The human capacity for self delusion is boundless.

    • Violence is political and has to be addressed politically.
      "Security" is a crock of shit when people are forced to resort to violence.

      Cracking down on violence a la Israel and Ulster Unionism contaminates the society doing the crackdown and just makes the search for a solution harder.

      Ulster Unionism is a real mess now. There is no going back to the status quo ante.
      The death last year of Ian Paisley, the Lieberman of Ulster, put this into very clear focus .

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      "Sad. No doubt about it, I felt sad when I heard of his death. Sad for his devoted and formidable wife, Eileen, heartbroken in the new hush of her sitting room with the fierce books on the shelves, the little china pandas in the glass cabinet in the corner. Sad for his family.
      But sad too about the lives that were squandered due to the destructive politics Paisley relentlessly hammered into his people. His booming voice ricocheted off the Armagh drumlins when he preached at Drumcree, and Billy Wright and his gang loaded up their guns, another generation of sectarian killers led to believe that God was on their side.
      It was a voice I’d been hearing since it boomed across the fields from the Free Presbyterian church when I was a child in Derry. It was macho and outrageous and scary, but there was a strong element of vaudeville about it too. Women tittered at his jokes about good Protestants breeding to beat the Catholics. Men chuckled and said the “Big Man” said it like it was.
      Listening to the tributes, the slimiest from Alastair Campbell, the most difficult and stiffly dignified from Peter Robinson, the most poignant from Martin McGuinness, I remembered the three little Quinn brothers, burned to death in their home in Ballymoney after apocalyptic warnings from Paisley over the rights of the Orange Order at Drumcree.
      I remembered Billy Mitchell, a forlorn former loyalist paramilitary who told me he’d been into rock and roll until he started going to Paisley’s rallies in the 1960s and dropped rocking round the clock in favour of preparing for doomsday. He killed two men and never forgave himself.
      I remembered Mrs Reavey from Whitecross, whose sons were murdered by loyalists. She died a few years ago still waiting for Paisley to apologise for saying they were in the IRA when he knew well that they were not. "

    • Jon

      Are they buried in East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem? I know the mount of olives cemetery is in East Jerusalem- is that where those 4 unfortunates were buried ?

  • Israel campaigns to block UN human rights findings on Gaza onslaught
    • "Israel campaigns to block UN human rights findings on Gaza onslaught" seems to chime very poorly with "they always come for the Jews"

      Why don't they come to bring certain high ranking Jews to the Hague ?

  • Jews around the world know 'deep in their hearts they have only one country, Israel' -- Netanyahu
    • Yonah

      I guess Giles' ethnic group hasn't been bombing the neighbors with white phosphorous recently. All this "and they always come for the Jews" is nauseating given what happened last summer.

    • Burg is a truth teller. Extrapolating current trends the future looks grim. If jews really were chosen they might see their nation heading for the buzzsaw. But they are just as grubby and shoddy as everyone else. And as shortsighted.

    • Takes responsibility for its own fate by hiding behind 42 US UN vetoes.
      Israel is as independent as a pilot fish.

    • "Jews around the world know ‘deep in their hearts they have only one country, Israel "

      Says the J-hole

      And meanwhile over at the Guardian Hadley Freeman writes that it is anti-Semitic to say “Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other Britons”

      link to

      It's anti-Semitic to say Zionists are arseholes.

    • "the resilience of an ancient people that has overcome every obstacle and adversity, and has risen from the dirt."-

      only by adopting hatred and violence and dropping all the happy clappy shit like Jewish ethics and decency and other things that made Jews weak in the eyes of the indoctrinated of the cult.

    • Heart disease is dreadful. I didn't realise so many Jews suffered from it.

      What a dope Milikovsky is.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • ” He wanted a big march to cover up the fact that his policies led to the worst massacre in French history. "

      Even invoking Jewish fingernails that claim is preposterous.
      the Revolution was fairly bloody as were the Nazis.

    • A very impressive open letter to young Muslims by Luc Besson, translated.
      Such a contrast to the nihilism of Zionism

      link to

      "My brother, if you knew how badly I hurt for you today, you and your beautiful religion that has been so sullied, humiliated, and singled out. Forgotten are your strength, your energy, your humour, your heart, your fraternity. It’s unfair and together we will repair this injustice. We are millions who love you and who are going to help you. Let’s start at the beginning. What is the society we’re offering you today?

      It’s based on money, profit, segregation and racism. In some suburbs, unemployment for people under 25 is 50%. You are marginalised because of your colour or your first name. You’re questioned 10 times a day, you’re crowded into apartment blocks and no one represents you. Who could live and thrive under such conditions?

      Profit comes before all else. We cut and sell the apple tree’s branches and then are shocked there’s no fruit. The real problem is there, and that’s for all of us to resolve.

      I call on the powerful, the big bosses and all leaders. Help this youth that has been humiliated and which asks only to be part of society. The economy is in the service of man and not the reverse. To do good is the greatest of profits. Dear powerful, do you have children? Do you love them? What do you want to leave them? Money? Why not a world that’s more fair? That would make your children the most proud of you.

      We cannot build our happiness on the misfortune of others. It is neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim. It is just selfish and it leads our society and our planet straight into a wall. This is the work we have to do beginning today to honour our dead.

      Terrorism will never win.

      And you, my brother, you also have a job to do. How can you change this society that’s being offered to you? By working, by studying, by taking up a pencil rather than a Kalashnikov. That’s what’s good about democracy, it offers you the noble tools to defend yourself. Take your destiny in hand, take the power. It costs 250 euros to buy a Kalashnikov but not even three euros to buy a pen – and your response can have a thousand times more impact. Take the power, and play by the rules.

      Take power democratically, helped by all your brothers. Terrorism will never win. History is there to prove it. And the beautiful image of the martyr walking in both directions. Today there are a thousand [assassinated Charlie Hebdo journalists] Cabus and Wolinskis who have just been born.

      Take the power and don’t let anyone take power over you. If those who are presumed guilty of this tragedy really are, know that these two blood-spilling brothers are not yours, and we all know it.

      It would at most be two weak-minded individuals, abandoned by society and then abused by a preacher who sold them eternity … Radical preachers who play on and make your misfortune their business have no good intentions. They use your religion only to their advantage. It is their business, their small business. Tomorrow, my brother, we will be stronger, more connected, closer. I promise you. But today, my brother, I cry with you."

    • Walid

      the number of disaffected Muslims is quite small in contrast to the ones who just want to live and let live in Europe. Milikovsky is selling a shoddy Jewish version of ISIS to French Jews who live in a multicultural society that is far richer than Israeli IDF obedience and cultural nihilism.

      Zionism has run out of road and nothing Mili vanilli does can change that. If you read what he said in the grand synagogue he is a lost ideologue, not a catalyst for change.

      link to

      Look at the guy translating. He looks much more intellectually secure than anyone indoctrinated into Zionism via Hebrew monoculture.

      1% of French jews went to Israel last year. That wouldn't even cover the birth rate and it's probably haredi losers.

    • I'd love to meet the 2 of you

    • Walid
      Longer term having Erdogan playing the Sunni extremist card could destabilize Turkey.
      It's not for nothing that Ataturk wanted a secular state.
      There are 3 sizeable populations and if they hadn't murdered all the Armenians there would be 4. I wouldn't say those borders are set in stone.

    • She's an employee, not a friend

    • Milikovsky spoke to the congregation and it had to be translated. So that means that the dog whistles were less effective .Hard to translate Zionist bullshit into the language of reason.

      the memes are very interesting. Zionsim is so nuts.

      link to

      And then the crowd start singing but no hatikva

    • It's kosher to murder Palestinians but killing Jews is a sin against humanity . WTF are Muslims supposed to think ?

    • Mayhem's Zionist crap about the European muslim bogeyman is racist grade bilge.
      Like most most hasbara., All the Muslims I know are decent people who want the same things for their kids as white people viz spaghetti bolognaise and free music downloads.

    • Erdogan has a big problem taking the ISIS side in that war , Walid given that 20% of Turks are Alevi shia and another 20% or so are Kurds.

    • He was worried about being thrown under the bus by Obama .

    • Zionism IS thejooz TM. Netanyahu is their leader, appointed by God. Only miserable defeatists like Mooser and Bornajoo stand in the way of Jewish destiny. To Hebron ,infinity and beyond. Anyone who disagrees will be cast out into the wilderness.

    • The Jpost link is interesting
      link to

      "It's horrible that Jews are murdered because they are Jewish and intellectuals are killed because they are intellectuals," he said in reference to the two separate attacks in the French capital."The State of Israel not only offers its condolences but also offers any help needed. We have extensive experience and sorrow from the war on terror," he added. "

      Maybe it makes sense in Hebrew where the only good Gazan is a dead terrorist.

    • "the grim reality of a Europe that is succumbing to enormous pressure from its burgeoning Muslim populations. The cat is out of the bag – it is way too late for interfaith hug-fests and such delusional dilly dallying" -

      link to

      recent convert to Islam, Queen Elizabeth ruthlessly beheading innocent U.K citizens under Sharia law #FoxNewsFacts
      link to

    • I think the lesson, Yonah, is that YESHA logic is understood far beyond the fuzzy 'disputed' borders of Erez Israel.

      Chuck Schumer can stand at a rally in NY and say "no ceasefire!" to huge applause but it may blow up later.
      You can buy Congress but money can't buy you love or even security.

      link to

      "All the seeds of ultra-nationalism and messianism that have been planted over the past several years are germinating now and blooming in the flower beds of rot. All of the Israeli hatreds have reared their heads in the wake of the kidnapping of three yeshiva students whose place of learning is in the heart of the occupied territory. All of the destructiveness and the intolerance for other views, all of the unity and the falling into rank in Israel have now assembled for the biggest display of ultra-nationalism ever. All the seeds of religiosity have sprouted into a mass prayer service led by the television broadcasters, every single last one of which has volunteered for propaganda duty. No one questions the mass arrests, the re-imprisonment of the Palestinians who were freed in the Gilad Shalit exchange deal, the arrests of members of the Palestinian parliament, the deportations to the Gaza Strip and the warmongering. Anyone who does has sealed his own fate. "

      Some of the seeds bloomed in Paris. And that shouldn't happen.
      but neither should YESHA. And life is very messy, even for Messianists .

      And stop whining.

      You need someone likeWinston Wolf to come in and sort out Israel . The problem seems to have gotten out of hand.

    • link to

      "On the BBC, an Israeli woman called Hava, the daughter of Holocaust survivors from Poland who has been living in France since 1995, said Sunday that in the last few days she has stopped feeling secure as a Jew in France.

      "We have to not to be afraid to say that the Jews are the target now," she told BBC reporter Tim Willcox at Sunday's unity rally in Paris. "It's not only the-"

      Willcox interrupted and compared the attack, which came as French security forces were surrounding the assailants who killed 12 people at French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo two days before, to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, saying: "Many critics, though, of Israel's policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffered hugely at Jewish hands as well."

      When Hava began saying that the two situations could not be compared, Wilcox broke in again, saying: "But, you understand, everything is seen from different perspectives."

    • Vive la difference

    • the photo is interesting.

      Poland (Tusk) has no more Jews. The Palestinians paid the price
      Germany (Merkel) murdered all the Jews . The Palestinians paid the price
      France (Hollande) supports Israel. The Palestinians pay the price
      Israel got the land of the Palestinians. Everyone is a winner. Except the Palestinians.

    • Netanyahu is such a miserable turd. How he became king of the Jews is one of life's great mysteries.

    • "the state of Israel is your home"

      Imagine coming home to see someone butchering a child , then turning around and shaking your hand.

  • 'With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France': Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper
    • "These incidents in war-torn Gaza hardly compare to the deliberate cold-blooded murder of defenseless journalists "

      This boils down to the notion that because there is a Jewish state with an army there is no such thing as Jewish terrorism. Everything the IDF does is legit under the fog of Jewish war.
      And that is completely nuts.

      Imagine if Israel could produce an artist as talented as PJ Harvey . Imagine if it had an education system that could encourage someone like her.

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • Climate models are better than finance models and getting better. Climate change goes on meanwhile.
      Never came across a credible Zionist or a credible denier.

    • "Aliyah rates from Western Europe alone were up 88 percent since last year—with roughly 8,640 immigrants as compared to last year’s 4,600"

      And how many Israelis did reverse Aliyah/Yerida out of dodge to get away from the insufferable racism? Surely their houses are available. French Jews considering moving to Israel have to swap a multicultural modern society for a backward racist one. It's a hard sell as the aliyah numbers show.

    • No. They are all Amalek in Gaza. And Israeli is truth and light and has to kill them all.

    • "Any deliberate targeting and killing of innocent civilians is equally repugnant."

      Except if the world's most moral army calls them terrorists and there are civilians living in the area and it's the fog of war and it's the khamas in which case it's Manichean and unfortunately we do everything to minimize deaths including shooting to the head.

    • Roha

      So the modellers made everything up. Great news that Hurricane Sandy was imaginary
      and that California drought was a dream.

    • Taxi

      2 very impressive counter mainstream systems to deal with big problems are

      1. the Danish returning jihadi program
      link to

      2. how spain deals with out of control kids
      link to

      Scott Atran on why default approaches are so shit

      link to

    • French "aliya" down to Israel is not gonna happen. Bukra fi mishmish.
      The picture of the butcher Netanyahu standing arm in arm with Hollande is nauseating.

    • They are as funny as jokes about hook nosed Jews counting money on the entrails of the working class.

    • Democratic values- what are they, Jon? I don't think you know anything about democracy. Over in Israel you are all nuts.

      And "we are all French Jews"- no we aren't.

      We are all human.

      Or else every woman, of course

    • Of course you will, Mooser. It will be a much more modest Judaism.

    • Walid

      I think you have a lot of dangerous trends coalescing - the Euro deflation crisis- Muslim suburbs in Paris like Sarcelles have 40% youth unemployment, the ISIS war which is really about the broken post WW1 political settlement in the Middle East, Muslim reaction to Israeli brutality in Gaza, Saudi meddling and general political incoherence. Plus Le Pen in the background as Hollande 's poll ratings are around 15%. And people like Freedland in the Guardian whine about savagery but turn a blind eye to it when it's Jews in uniform doing the killing.

      But the Jews vs Muslims thing seems to be the most worrying.

    • All political responses to something like this have to be interpreted as leaders speaking to their bases. Bibi's meanderings are meaningless to anyone who wasn't indoctrinated in Hebrew in a Jewish school. He says nothing to me about my life.

      I think the attack on the Jewish deli is going to be more significant longer term. Israel's "fuck you" only works if Arab governments can keep a lid on popular revulsion at Israel's ways.
      And they can't.

      So Israel can go postal in Gaza but the blowback means innocent Jews are going to die. And dreams that the diaspora will all move en masse to Israel are pie in the sky.

      Somebody needs to step in and defang Zionism before the house falls down.
      Zionism is a joke that has gone on for far too long.

    • link to

      "During a brief period in the 1980s of government-supported pluriculturalism (a term that, in the case of France, referred to the active bridging of differences between groups) and the rise of a common enemy in the far right, Muslims and Jews cooperated in organizing SOS Racisme, the movement to counter discrimination. Mandel suggests that the coalition between Jewish and Muslim youth organizations was always unstable, because Jews could separate the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians from the struggle for religious tolerance in France, whereas the Muslim groups could not. The first Gulf War, in 1991, marked an end to the idea of pluriculturalism among Jewish and Muslim youth and the final triumph of the binary narrative of Jews versus Muslims — of us versus them. "


      link to

      Nothing to do with this of course

      "On August 20, Mr. Netanyahu was recorded on film expressing his deep shock at the beheading of an American journalist by the knife of an Islamic State murderer. Truly, a wicked deed.
      On August 19, just one day before that horrific execution, the prime minister approved the killing of an 8-month-old baby together with his mother, in the hope that the father would be with them and also be killed. "

      Israel is ultra dangerous for Jews now. Either life is sacred for everyone or for nobody.
      And I can't see that many wanting to move to the kip either.

    • 4 hostages killed in a Jewish supermarket in Paris.
      The killer was interviewed by a TV station and said he attacked the place because it was Jewish.

      4 more to add to the tally for Cast Lead. What is good for the goose is kosher for the gander.

    • "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made use of the attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo to call on the West to support the ongoing Israeli occupation of Palestinian land and to undermine the EU vote on a Palestinian state in the name of the “war on terror”. -"

      PFO Bibi

    • "satire in the hands of the powerful or privileged is just cruel "

    • And ISIS are very good at restoring municipal electricity systems and internet databases- who are the people behind them, another mystery.

    • Israel's wars did destabilize Lebanon, Ivri. Why does Judaism need so much war anyway?

      Mossad is overrated. A bit like Bar Refaeli.

    • We have to draw the line between satire and blasphemy. I don't think cartoons of Mohammed in pornographic poses are satirical.
      I don't believe those people deserved to die mais je ne suis pas Charlie.

      And Dawkins' Nobel comment is stupid. Did anyone in Trinity College Cambridge ever write as well as Hafez or invent anything as delicious as Tabbouleh or have the ability to move people like Um Kulthum ?

  • The moral hysteria of Je suis charlie
    • "On 11 January, an estimated 1.6 million people took to the streets of Paris to voice their solidarity with those murdered at the hands of radical Muslim terrorists and proclaim 'Je suis Charlie' (I am Charlie). But not everyone in the city felt comfortable with that idea. Many Muslims throughout Paris chose to stay away - some of them even stating 'Je ne suis pas Charlie' (I am not Charlie). Imam Amrani meets members of this community and investigates their reaction to the 'Je suis Charlie' movement"

      link to

    • More hysteria
      link to

      "An enlightened France of Émile Zola defended, more than 100 years ago, two goals that were actually one: Equal rights for Jews and the freedom of speech. In an article published in May 1896 in Le Figaro, “In Defense of the Jews” – even before the Dreyfus Affair blew up – Zola wrote, “While we seek to bring peace, a handful of crazies, idiots and schemers scream at us every day: ‘Kill the Jews! Massacre and exterminate the Jews! Bring back the stake and the dragonnade!’” There is nothing more idiotic than this, nothing more disgusting, he wrote.

      When a million, maybe even two million, French people go into the streets today to protest and protect the freedom of speech from the crazies of Islamic extremism, these words of Zola’s should not be forgotten. The other side of the equation cannot be forgotten. The bullets fired at the offices of the magazine reached all the way to the kosher supermarket, and this was far from a coincidence.

      More than at any other time in its history, the fate of France is entwined with the fate of its Jews. And if it loses them, sooner or later it will also be lost."

      Stop the fucking madness of Zionism and nobody will bat an eyelid at Judaism.

    • link to
      "Daphna Poznanski, president of the Association des Francais en Israel, said Netanyahu's appeal was "just words," and charged that Israeli leaders have been making such calls for years without taking any concrete steps to make immigration easier for French Jews.

      "In any case, I am against an aliyah of fear, one should want to come to live in Israel for idealism," she said.

      While not addressing Netanyahu's words directly, a French embassy official who spoke at the rally also encouraged French Jews to stay put.

      "The Jews of France have been afraid for many years and they have a right to feel safe," said Deputy Ambassador Gilles Pecassou. "But Jews have a place in France and without them France would no longer be France.""

    • Je suis Juif. Je soutiens le Tsahal quand il tue des enfants a Gaza.
      I am Jewish. I support the IDF when it kills children in Gaza.

    • It looks fairly incoherent given the silence over Gaza but I don't think it's a set up.
      The gulfies' war in Syria and Iraq is real.

  • Don't let's go to the war of civilizations again
    • Just a few who can be considered as collaborators. But many of that subgroup were Jewish leaders.
      And that was the greatest tragedy. And it's too explosive for anyone in Zionism to talk about now. So let's talk about 1948 and the glory of 1967 instead.

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