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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed. - "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • An exciting night at the opera: 'Klinghoffer' opening dominated by protest and heavy police presence
    • Thanks Philip and "Gute Besserung" as they say in German

    • Is Philip Munger involved in this production ?

      Philip Munger says:
      June 18, 2014 at 1:45 pm
      I have tried to follow the performance history of Death of Klinghoffer since its premiere in 1991. At the time, I was seriously considering writing an opera about Edward Teller’s role in Project Chariot, a late 1950s plan to use four hydrogen bombs to create a new harbor in northwestern Alaska. I wanted to model it somewhat after John Adams’s first opera, Nixon in China, so was interested in how Adams’s voice was developing in his second opera.
      All through its history, some individuals and Zionist organizations, and members of the Klinghoffer family have objected to one aspect of the opera or another. The first objection to which Adams responded was his depiction of some of the Klinghoffer’s friends, and his creation of fictional characters to portray them. They were perceived to be caricatures of some sort of Jewish stereotype. Adams deleted the scene. At least two scholarly papers have been written about how this deletion marred the opera’s form and balance.
      The most authoritative person to claim the opera is anti-Semitic and romanticizes terrorism is the curmudgeonly Richard Taruskin, now a professor of musicology at Cal Berkeley.

      As recently as last winter, the LA Opera pulled out of a co-production of the opera, leaving Long Beach Opera to produce it alone, which was a heavy financial burden for the company.

      The most often-performed extract from the opera is a set of choruses, depicting displaced Jews and displaced Palestinians, in turns. They are choral masterpieces. Before September 11th, 2001, the Boston Symphony and chorus has programmed the work to be performed that fall. They cancelled after numerous complaints that the choruses “romanticize terrorists.”
      The composer’s responses to criticisms and cancellations over the work’s 23-year history are studies in restraint. The opera is more like an oratorio or passion than what we generally consider to be an opera. More opera-like than most of those by fellow minimalist Philip Glass, Adams really does succeed in having a neutral point of view. Apparently that isn’t enough for some who are upset whenever Palestinians are treated even-handedly in comparison to Israelis or to Jews.

      On the other hand, my cantata, The Skies Are Weeping, which you refer to above, does not take a neutral point of view. When some local Zionist friends suggested I change it to give it a neutral point of view, I replied that to do so would not honor Rachel Corrie’s memory. My work, like Adams’s, has been criticized for “romanticizing terrorism,” by which the complainants are referring to Rachel Corrie. I find that characterization of her to be deeply offensive.
      I was looking forward to seeing this opera in the HD format. Adams’s Dr. Atomic was presented that way by the Met two seasons ago, in a vibrant production. This sucks.

  • B'Tselem video: Israeli soldiers blindfold and detain 11 year old disabled child
    • "According to a Veteran's Administration study
      Half of the Vietnam combat veterans suffered from what Psychiatrists call
      Many vets complain of alienation, rage, or guilt
      Some succumb to suicidal thoughts
      Eight to Ten years after coming home almost eight-hundred-thousand men are
      still fighting the Vietnam War "

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      And almost 6 million Israeli Jews are still fighting WW2 while suffering from the symptoms of years of Ziocaine abuse

    • Those pictures of IDF soldiers with their petty cruelty always feature a really white Jew straight outta the forests of Poland in a uniform with a gun. 70 years on, still a failure. Still can't live in peace. Still fighting ww2.

      No surprise that Amos Oz's mother took her own life, I think. She saw what Israel was. And would become.

    • "Notwithstanding Israel’s actions, the unwillingness of the Palestinians to accept a growing Jewish presence predate 1967 by over hundred years."

      Looking at what actually happened you'd have to say they were right.
      Just look at those IDF pictures of soldiers abusing Palestinians.
      Why can't Israel be a normal country? Because it's run on trauma.

    • @ mgsoulcraft

      "I’ve read this site with an open mind for a while but it is shameful And she is the worst of the worst -"

      Annie is a legend.

      THIS is the Wurst of the Wurst
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      And you should go to Arutz Sheva for your intellectual nourishment

    • "But that’s how the world goes on, people do no never remember. "

      And remembering nothing.

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      And Jews are the same as everyone else.

      It really shows up the optimism that Jewish texts can influence how people behave in the real world where Jews have power. All that sensitivity and morality turns out to be for self hating losers in the Diaspora.

    • I think "Kiryat Arba" is as bad as Gaza. It's like a psychotic version of Judaism.
      If Judaism needs Hebron Judaism needs to be reformed. I imagine most Jews in Hebron are mentally ill.

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      And this is supposed to be tikkun olam. Those prayers are less than worthless. A mitzvah in Hebron is less valuable than a fart in Brooklyn.

  • Chomsky at 85
    • I have a lot of time for Chomsky but the days when Jews got to monopolise the discussion are over, khalaaas.

      Ken O'Keefe was wrong about the revolution in Egypt but he was right about the world turning on Zionist nihilism towards Gaza

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      around 4 minutes in

      And it's precisely because Jewish mismanagement of the Palestinian issue that this is the case. Chomsky is as entitled to a platform as Umm Majid (age 85 , refugee from Jaffa) in Beach camp in Gaza. We need to hear more Palestinian voices because this is their issue too.

      Nobody knows hos this struggle will end but it certainly won't be decided exclusively by Jews. That's just a recipe for disaster.

      Get all the old Jews in suits off the stage and start listening to young Palestinians and deprogrammed Sabras.

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      Zionism is too murderous to be a viable virus with a future.

  • NYT takes on Europe's recognition of a Palestinian state
    • Caroline Glick would have been at home in the Vichy Government in WW2.

    • “Any nation wishing to declare independence should meet three essential elements: a strong central government, control of defined territory and security.”

      Says who?

      The bots have spent the last 70 years pauperizing the Palestinians but it doesn't matter. They had their chance and it's gone. Zionism has nothing to say.

  • 'Settlement endorsement should be put on a par with racism, sexism, homophobia and anti-Semitism' --British pol
    • It's a good speech but the problem goes way deeper than the settlements.
      They were built so there'd never be a Palestinian state . The key issue is how Zionism views the Palestinians.
      Getting rid of all the settlers will never happen but it wouldn't solve the main problem either.

    • The bots are losing senior members of the Tory party. That's a sign of how isolated Zionism is.

    • "Laurie Penny, who is herself half-Jewish, spoke for many Jewish people when she wrote in the New Statesman that ‘The moral basis for Israel’s persecution of the Palestinian people is eroding fast. It is not anti-Semitic to say “not in my name”.


      This summer was a turning point for a lot of people.
      When Jewish identity is built around the slaughter of innocent people the identity needs to be revised.

    • "Perhaps we could have a gathering of British Mondoweiss supporters some time."

      A Mondo conclave would be some weekend.

  • Identities of minors who admitted to killing Mohammed Abu Khdeir to be revealed Monday
    • They poured petrol down this throat and set it alight.
      And plead insanity. They were educated to hate.

      It is the Zionist system which is insane .

  • Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel's mainstream critics
    • I think the main thing about the latest manifestation of "anti-Semitism" is that it has nothing to do with baseless hatred of Jews and is instead a form of constructive criticism.
      If Bots want the other form it may well return.

    • -"You say this because you hate Jews"
      -"No, it 's because your drinking is going to kill you."

    • Wheeling antisemitism around to defend to defend the cruelty of Zionism is not advisable.
      There is no word or concept that can make Zionism respectable now.

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      "Where are the rock stars expressing solidarity with Israel’s right to defend itself or pausing between songs to explain that every day is harrowing for Israeli civilians who are attacked by rockets and threatened by terror tunnels leading to their homes, playgrounds and streets?
      They feel bullied by a confederacy of industry “liberals,” who dismiss anyone who doesn’t uphold the party line of Israel as an oppressor and the cause of all evil in the region.
      “I just get so emotional, I try not to post too much,” says Regina Joskow, director of publicity at Rounder Records. “I feel like I bang my head against the wall when I share reality, not a bleeding heart fantasy.“
      Instead of going toe-to-toe with rhetoric, she does the only sane thing she can think of. “I’ve been blocking and unfriending people like mad,” she says. “I really hate seeing people’s true colors.”
      What Joskow is referring to are doctored images, such as that of beach-goers in Tel Aviv cheering the deaths in Gaza, which are reposted endlessly - because it promotes a depiction of Israelis as dehumanized brutes.
      Though Waters’ virulently anti-Semitic statements reflect a fringe sentiment, Balsam says, he, too, has noticed a flood of misinformation about Israel and Gaza.
      “I give artists like Rihanna the benefit of the doubt,” he says. “It’s normal for a well-intentioned person to see all the blood and death and want to say something about it. Sometimes they get out ahead of themselves before they’ve had a chance to educate themselves and think things through.” "

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
  • British Parliament sends a message to Obama: the people see Israel as a 'bully'
    • There are Jews, especially Sephardim, who see beyond the hatred and towards solutions

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      Um Kulthum's most enduring piece, "Inta Omry," is immediately recognizable to anyone with even a passing acquaintance with Arab culture. It can elicit tears in the most hardened person. Each time the song is played my eyes well up and my heart is completely open to the emotions of lost love and personal obsession that connect the listener to the heart of the classical Arabic poetic tradition. This was the same tradition adopted and adapted by the dozens of poets whose bold work marked the "Golden Age" of Sephardic Jewry

      When we begin to see the fault-lines dividing people in terms of the human -- how people actually live their daily lives -- then we will better be able to unite those who hate one another. The unifying factor of culture, of music and its magical effect on us, is something that has been sorely missing from a vast majority of the discussions regarding the Middle East and its recurring dilemmas. Bringing the discussion back to the simplicity of the human is an important desideratum, regardless of the many forces that have sought to monopolize the discourse and contour the discussion to suit their parochial purposes.
      Listening to the voice of Um Kulthum is perhaps the best place for us to start this dialogue."

    • Kaufman

      "It is not Jewish for the Israelis to do that. They are harming the image of Judaism, and terrible outbreaks of anti-Semitism are taking place. I want to see an end to anti-Semitism, and I want to see a Palestinian state. "

      A better class of Jewish politician, unimaginable in the US

    • 5 Ulster Unionists. The most backward Parliamentarians in the House of Commons. Also chosen people, originally colonists, also ran a bigoted statelet. People also have problems with education and challenges with dead memes.

  • Deconstructing John Kerry's address to the Gaza Donors Conference
    • "The IPE is a comprehensive plan for Palestinian economic growth in the billions of dollars. And this effort is not about donor projects or corporate social responsibility; we’re talking about real investment. We had McKinsey & Company come in and make analysis of every sector of the Palestinian economy and make a determination about those areas where you could actually reduce unemployment from 21 percent to 8 percent in a period of three years. We’re talking about real investment that produces real jobs and opportunities for thousands of Palestinians, and that is what is going to make the difference over the long term. "

      - I wonder what allowance McKinsey made for the Zionist destruction fetish.
      And Kerry never thanked his real friends- the lobby money and how kind they are .,

    • I don't understand why the Israelis signed up to Oslo, shmuel. Did they feel vulnerable after the fall of the Soviet Union? They don't give a shit about Norway even now and all that leftist peace crap. So why did they sign up ? Why didn't they leave things like the nukes - ambiguity?

      Because the minute they signed up to Oslo they created expectations outside Israel and that is why the House of Commons voted against them this week. Diplomacy is serious. Why did they internationalise the Palestinian issue ?

    • "The United States will continue to work with our partners to find a way forward”.

      "Continue" is the wrong verb. "Begin" would be more appropriate

    • "So I say to you clearly and with great conviction: The United States will continue to work with our partners to find a way forward". /

      We support Israel's right to refuse medical treatment for its rabies and we wish it well with homeopathy.

  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • I imagine the fear that Israelis have as a scene where are 2 kids in a room looking at each other. One is an Israeli Jew and the other is not. The second child moves towards the first child who immediately starts screaming and gets into a complete state . The second child hands the first child a flower and smiles. The first child cannot understand what has just happened.

    • "a firm conclusion that everybody except “the Jews” is indecent. And it seems to count very heavily on them not being so decent either. -"

      It takes a lot of gore to get into the appropriate Zionist mood for the mitzvot, Mooser. But because it is the land of Israel even the gore is blessed.

    • Here is another Fairuz song I love - Zourouni which means "visit me"

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      I always think about poor Quds under the bots and how so many people from the Middle East are banned from visiting the city

    • I hate that . It's WEST Jerusalem that's insane

      Al Quds, East Jerusalem, isn't

      Ya qudsu
      Ya qudsu

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      "Ashrawi concluded: “We would like to thank the British people, the thousands who lobbied their members in parliament, and the religious leaders, trade unions, artists, and civil society at-large who stood up in the name of justice. We would also like to thank those Israelis who courageously called upon the British parliament to recognise the state of Palestine.”

      Decent people supporting decent people.
      Why is it so hard for so many Zionist Jews to access this part of themselves ?

    • Total waste of time. Expecting good faith from Israel is pointless.

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      "Speaking on Israeli radio after the vote the UK ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould, insisted that Israeli officials should not dismiss the vote.
      Although Gould reiterated that the vote would not mark a change in government policy, he added: “I think it is right to be concerned about what it signifies in terms of the direction of public opinion.”
      He added: “Separate from the narrow question of recognition, I am concerned in the long run about the shift in public opinion in the UK and beyond towards Israel. Israel lost support after this summer’s conflict, and after the series of announcements on settlements. This parliamentary vote is a sign of the way the wind is blowing, and will continue to blow without any progress towards peace.”
      Speaking on background, other UK officials have also suggested that the frustration with Israel and the government of Binyamin Netanyahu is echoed at the top of the British government where David Cameron’s support for Israel’s “right to self defence” during the recent Gaza war was answered after the ceasefire by Israeli settlement announcements – characterised as “galling” for No 10.
      For his part the leader of Israel’s opposition, Isaac Herzog, described the British vote as a defeat for Netanyahu’s increasingly troubled foreign policy that in recent week’s has seen the Israeli prime minister engaged in diplomatic disputes with the US, the UN and Sweden.
      “This is another echoing failure from [Binyamin] Netanyahu and [foreign minister Avigdor] Lieberman,” said Herzog."

    • Ottaway's speech reminds me of what Max Hastings wrote in July

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      So much sympathy for the Shoah but when the "special people" start killing children and it's clear they could care less about 2 states the opinion formers in the West who gave them the benefit of the doubt start wondering what exactly the point of the Jewish state is.

      Losing these people should be a red light for Zionists. Maybe someone could translate it into Hebrew so they can understand it.

      And hanging over it all is the nature of statehood and power. Nothing is permanent. Zionism is just a phase.

  • In the last days of 'Operation Protective Edge' Israel focused on its final goal -- the destruction of Gaza's professional class
    • "sending an unmistakable message that unless Palestinians in Gaza abandon resistance and accept ghettoization and mass-imprisonment, Israel’s campaign of mass destruction and killing would resume. "

      That's going to happen to Jews again if those are the rules. Because history is not over. A very dopey Irish comedian used to end up his shows with

      "It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice"

  • Shlomo Sand resigns from being Jewish. Totally. Mostly. Almost
    • Ebola. You have to follow procedure to the letter in order not to get infected if you are a health worker with exposure to the virus. It is possible to transfer the virus from the outside of a protective suitbto the hand and a moment's thoughtlessness can lead tonthe hand touching the face from where the virus gains access to the.body. Ebola becomes more contagious the sicker the patient gets. Zionism is like a trauma virus. Poor judaism with its diaspora morality had no chance.

    • Sand is a Mensch. By resigning he obviously thinks Zionism is going to bring Judaism down with it. He is probably right.

  • Tablet types Rev. Shipman as elite, anti-semitic WASP
    • All this framing of opposition to Zionism as anti semitism starts off from the notion that goys hate Jews just because and that Jews do not have agency and cannot be responsible for anything.

      And sorry Israel and the wider bot community but you got your state and you have to grow up.

    • "And I’m not saying that’s you. At all. I don’t know you. But I know people like that … -"

      It's the same meme all the time. You can't criticize Israel because you hate Jews.
      And the answer to that it is to say that you come to this subject out of love for Judaism because where this is headed is not good

      As George Kennan said about South Vietnam

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      No matter the military arguments, “the spectacle of Americans” attacking “a poor and helpless people, and particularly a people of different race and color,” wreaked “psychological damage” to America’s global image. He stressed “that there is more respect to be won…by a resolute and courageous liquidation of unsound positions than by the most stubborn pursuit of extravagant or unpromising objectives.”

      And it's the same for Israeli Jews. The spectacle of Israeli Jews killing defenceless children looks really bad on TV and anti-Semitism has the square root of nada to do with it.

      As someone quoted in Haaretz recently said

      "My observation of the way change happens is that pressures build up and then all of a sudden there’s maybe an event that precipitates it and things change all of a sudden."

    • Dickerson

      Those evangelical stats are really interesting. The north won the civil war but they didn't win the peace. Reminds of this John Trudell video where he talks about "drunken Indians" who refused to become white.

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      And Southerners in a similar fashion refused to become rational Northerners...whatever rational means...but it sure as hell doesn't mean Jesus wants you to be rich visions of Christianity...

      Life is so strange .. and war is so inefficient in changing how people think

  • Jewish groups stand up against media lies about Muslims and police surveillance of Muslims
  • Wiesel lauds settlers for 'strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem' -- and expelling Palestinians
    • @Catporn

      And Fox using gay rights as a stick to beat brown people with- it's incoherent
      How many Fox viewers would be happy with a gay child ?

    • We should also look at it in a rational framework and imagine what a rational Zionism would look like.

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      I never thought you'd be a Zionist because Ziocaine is so passe.
      But today, if you think that I don't know about depression and emotional pain,
      You're insane, or you're a fool who hasn't paid attention to a word that I say.
      In a way, I can't help but feel responsible, I always knew that you were insane
      With your pain, but I never thought you'd be a ziobot because Ziocaine is so passe, hey.

    • Weisel has zero spirituality if he can talk about Palestinians the way he does. He's just iterating trauma. So much emotional poison. Israel says the Nazis won.
      Gaza says the Nazis didn't win. Noor el ain.

      Zionism is just one big dose of emotional poison. Incapable of empathy. No idea where they are going. Emotionally distorted. Twisted reality. Virtually nobody's thinking.
      Very hard to relate to if you don't get the indoctrination.

      We really need to look at Zionism in a trauma framework.

    • "It is a “shame” that the foremost survivor does not share my political views, but so it goes. - "

      Hardly surprising. It could have been anyone so he's more than likely to be closer to the popular mindset and you are smarter and more thoughtful than that .
      It's a pity there are so few people like you in Israel.

    • I think this song goes with the writing

      "The other night you said you might try to kill that thing I love
      It is too strong for you"

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      And they have spent the last3 generations trying to kill the thing the Palestinians love but they'll never succeed. Palestinian energy is ultimately stronger than Zionist trauma.

      Qahwe dayman

    • That is a fantastic piece. A real keeper. Wallahi.

    • "Life is hardly ever fair"

      As Christopher Isherwood observed, " Life is not so bad if you have plenty of luck, a good physique and not too much imagination "!!

    • It takes a lot of practice

    • I despise warmongers who use the issue of Western gay lifestyles to demonise brown people so they can be dehumanized and attacked.

      Maher is an asshole. He knows nothing about same sex relationships in Asia.
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      Christian societies in fact have been amongst the most backward in accepting same sex relationships, as a trip to Alabama will prove. Even groovy US states like Vermont were very late coming to the party.

      And it wasn't that long ago that Matthew Shepherd was beaten, tortured and left to die in Wyoming because he wasn't straight. Who the fuck are Americans to lecture Muslims on homosexuality ? Is there only one way to express your sexuality ?

    • It's really excellent, Kathleen

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