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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • Horrifying details continue to emerge of massacre in Khuza'a
    • It's a war between good and evil according to S Daniel Abraham.
      link to haaretz.com
      "The Allies understood in 1945 that anything less than total surrender by the Nazis and the Japanese would guarantee their continued attempts to kill Americans and the other Allied forces. In those days, the Allies were far more indiscriminate in their bombing than Israel is today. Even prior to the use of the atom bomb, the Allied bombings killed some 25,000 civilians in Dresden, 42,000 in Hamburg and 125,000 in Tokyo.
      Israel is doing everything in its power not to kill civilians, and it would succeed in that goal if not for Hamas' demonic placement of its missile sites in the midst of Gazan residential neighborhood and population centers. When Israel is threatened by Hamas missiles, it sends its citizens into bomb shelters. Gaza doesn't build bomb shelters (for one thing it doesn't want to divert concrete from building its terrorist tunnels), because the Hamas leaders want civilians, children in particular, killed, thereby hoping to turn world opinion against Israel.
      One day, the Gazan people will realize what the Italian people realized too late about Mussolini, that he was never their friend and he didn't care if they died; that's why it was Italians who killed him. And one day the Gazan people will realize what the German people realized too late, that the man who caused them more misery than anyone else in the entire history of Germany was Adolf Hitler. And one day the Gazans will realize that voting into power a government that places missiles mixed in among its citizens' homes, thereby inviting attacks, is a government that despises them and despises their children.
      Unfortunately, this realization does not seem to have come yet to Gazans. And that leaves Israel the responsibility of taking care of its own citizens. A world that is largely indifferent to the fate of Jewish lives can protest against Israel all it wants. But no country would allow another country - one which repeatedly announces its desire to destroy her and even puts that malevolent wish into its national covenant - to go on shooting missiles at her, and infiltrating terrorists past her borders.
      What Israel is doing now is an act of self-defense, and if innocent Gazans die it is by accident on Israel's part and by intention on Hamas' part. How dare anyone, any country, condemn Israel for trying to protect its citizen's lives? Israel sends its endangered citizens to shelters. Hamas makes no effort to build shelters for them. And that is all that one needs to know about the nature of the two sides in this conflict.

      There is often ambiguity in wars. Rarely is it a question of a war between good and evil. This one is. "

  • Hamas mimics Hezbollah tactics, and no one will have stability till blockade is lifted
    • Intifada 3 may have started

      link to haaretz.com

      "Thousands of Palestinians are marching from Ramallah towards Jerusalem. Palestinian ambulances, blaring their horns, are streaming in the opposite direction, carrying protesters wounded by IDF fire at the Kalandia checkpoint." (Amira Hass)

      Fuck Zionism
      link to twitter.com
      In DC and suburbs every synagogue posts this in front: "We Stand With Israel In Its Struggle For Peace & Security." SHAMEFUL LIE.

      And thanks to Mahane for outing himself today.

    • It makes sense that the Hezb would be passing on info to Hamas about how to operate against the IDF. For all the spin they have one significant weakness. They can't tolerate dead soldiers. They absolutely can't. They can dish it out but they cannot take it.

      And they have been running an occupation for 47 years and are quite sloppy when they underestimate the enemy, as they tend to.

      The other thing is their cruelty which means they always kill too many civilians. With smartphones in Gaza the Palestinians can get the images out and the bots are powerless on social media.

      They probably figured the world wasn't going to buy more Zionist bullshit around the unity government.

      link to ft.com

      "Benjamin Netanyahu urged foreign governments not to recognise a Palestinian unity government backed by the militant Islamist group Hamas, saying that doing so would “strengthen terrorism”.

      And the only way the Palestinians can win is in the court of public opinion.

  • How Israel militarized social media
    • Israel doesn't have enough people to control social media as the bots control regular media.

      At the end of the day Zionism is a paper tiger - loads of money but not enough people who give a shit about Israel, whatever it takes, to barbarism and beyond compared to the mass of people outside who have the normal human compassion for victims of oppression.

      Most people have not been educated and indoctrinated in Hebrew and it's pointless thinking they can be brought around to Israel's way of thinking, especially on social media.

      And most Zionist spokespeople are callous, lying, heartless arseholes, which generates its own specific challenges.

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  • U.S. casts lonely vote against establishing war crimes inquiry in Gaza
    • It's SO obvious that Jewish money is behind what the US does wrt Israel.
      And every time they support the thugs at the UN the US loses a little more face.
      And the fact that Israel still needs the bots back in DC shows how weak it is.

  • Gaza massacre is generating ideological crisis in American Zionists
    • Ideological crisis par excellence or why 24 members of the Abu Jame' family had to die - because Israel is with the angels. WTF

      link to haaretz.com
      "Israel vs. Hamas is a war between good and evil "

      BY S Daniel Abraham

      "For Israel to accept or declare a ceasefire at this time will achieve nothing for Israel other than a guarantee of another war with Hamas in a year or two or three. And that is because nothing about Hamas will have changed. Before this war it was committed to the destruction of Israel and to murdering as many Israeli Jews as it could and this commitment remains paramount to Hamas. The only thing that will stop it is the total disarming of Hamas, a terrorist organization that has hijacked a country.

      The United States learned this lesson seventy years ago when it confronted equally implacable enemies toward whom only one strategy could be effective: complete demilitarisation. In the case of Hamas that means, as it meant in the case of the Germans and the Japanese, complete demilitarization.

      A Hamas that is permitted to maintain access to any missiles, any long-range weaponry, or any machine guns for that matter remains a life-threatening threat to the citizens of Israel. Although everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons, no one fears for a moment that it will introduce these weapons in its war against Hamas. Does anybody, including the Israel-haters and assorted anti-Semites who recently demonstrated in Paris, doubt that if Hamas had nuclear weapons it would try and drop them on Israel?

      Israel's goal, therefore, is simple to state, but difficult to achieve. It must wipe out or take possession of all the missiles Hamas has, and it must destroy all the tunnels that Hamas uses to try and infiltrate Israel, and achieve a complete demilitarization of Gaza.

      The Allies understood in 1945 that anything less than total surrender by the Nazis and the Japanese would guarantee their continued attempts to kill Americans and the other Allied forces. In those days, the Allies were far more indiscriminate in their bombing than Israel is today. Even prior to the use of the atom bomb, the Allied bombings killed some 25,000 civilians in Dresden, 42,000 in Hamburg and 125,000 in Tokyo.

      Israel is doing everything in its power not to kill civilians, and it would succeed in that goal if not for Hamas' demonic placement of its missile sites in the midst of Gazan residential neighborhood and population centers. When Israel is threatened by Hamas missiles, it sends its citizens into bomb shelters. Gaza doesn't build bomb shelters (for one thing it doesn't want to divert concrete from building its terrorist tunnels), because the Hamas leaders want civilians, children in particular, killed, thereby hoping to turn world opinion against Israel.

      One day, the Gazan people will realize what the Italian people realized too late about Mussolini, that he was never their friend and he didn't care if they died; that's why it was Italians who killed him. And one day the Gazan people will realize what the German people realized too late, that the man who caused them more misery than anyone else in the entire history of Germany was Adolf Hitler. And one day the Gazans will realize that voting into power a government that places missiles mixed in among its citizens' homes, thereby inviting attacks, is a government that despises them and despises their children. "

    • link to btselem.org
      "Initial findings: 25 members of a single family killed when their house was bombed, apparently without warning

      On Sunday, 20 July 2014, at around 7:00 PM, the home of the Abu Jame' family in the Bani Suheila neighborhood, northeast of Khan Yunis, came under attack.

      Israeli forces bombed the four-story building that is home to the extended family: the matriarch, Fatmeh Abu Jame', her four sons, and their wives and children. The family were eating iftar, the meal that breaks Ramadan fasting for the day.

      B’Tselem’s initial findings indicate that the likely target of the attack was Ahmad Suliman Sahmoud, a member of Hamas’ military wing, who was visiting a member of the family.

      Everyone in the house at the time of the bombing was hurt: 25 members of the Abu Jame' family were killed, as well as Hamas operative Sahmoud. The rest were injured, including at least three of Fatmeh Abu Jame's sons and one of her daughters, who were taken to the a-Nasser medical center in Khan Yunis. Many bodies were buried under the rubble and removed only this morning.

      Information B’Tselem has at this stage indicates that no warning was issued and no warning missile was fired prior to the attack. B’Tselem continues its investigation of the incident.

      Full list of fatalities, according to B’Tselem's initial field investigation:

      The family matriarch:

      1. Fatmeh Ahmad Abu Jame’, 60

      Her daughter-in-law and her family:
      2. Sabah Abu Jame', 35
      3. Razan Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 14
      4. Jawdat Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 13
      5. Aya Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 12
      6. Haifaa Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 9
      7. Ahmad Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 8
      8. Maysaa Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 7
      9. Tawfiq Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame', 4

      Her daughter-in-law and her family:

      10. Shahinaz Walid Muhammad Abu Jame', 29, pregnant
      11. Fatmeh Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame', 12
      12. Ayub Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame', 10
      13. Rayan Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame', 5
      14. Rinat Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame', 2
      15. Nujud Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame', 4 months

      Her daughter-in-law and her family:

      16. Yasmin Ahmad Salameh Abu Jame', 25, pregnant
      17. Bitul Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame', 4
      18. Soheila Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame', 3
      19. Bisan Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame', 6 months

      Her son and daughter-in-law

      20. Yasser Ahmad Muhammad Abu Jame', 27
      21. Fatmeh Riad Abu Jame', 26, pregnant
      22. Sajedah Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame',7
      23. Siraj Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame', 4
      24. Nur Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame', 2

      Two others killed:

      25. Husam Husam Abu Qeins, 7 (Fatmeh’s grandson)
      26. Ahmad Suliman Sahmoud, 34 (Hamas operative)"

    • Israeli women do Gaza strip for IDF

      Facebook campaign calls on individuals to shed their clothes in order to boost soldiers’ morale
      link to timesofisrael.com

      “Think of these pictures any time it gets hard (in any way…),” Beyo advised the soldiers.
      “Remember what you’re fighting for and what is waiting for you back home.”

    • They would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids they keep on killing.

    • There is only one commandment now Mooser

      1.This is Erez Israel hashlemah and if you disagree we'll shoot you, you miserable antisemite

    • He is a liberal israeli.

    • The tweets on his account are really worth reading

      link to twitter.com

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      I honestly believe the media is turning. Goliath is no longer portrayed as David.

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      Just watched NBC (Richard Engel). At last the lobby is losing the media. Praise the Lord!

      Friend's daughter interning at AIPAC. Told parents they're going crazy over media coverage & FAA travel ban. Don't know what to do.

      SWEET.

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      Actually the parents are just acquaintances (no friend of mine would have a kid at AIPAC). But we talk.

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      Matt Duss @mattduss · 6m

      Gaza: No Safe Place for Civilians | Brookings Institution link to brook.gs

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      FADI ELSALAMEEN @Elsalameen · 5m

      Right-wing rabbi’s ruling: Israel may totally destroy Gaza if necessary
      'Deterrent measures to exterminate the... link to fb.me

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      Emily L. Hauser @emilylhauser · 7m

      So far this week I've responded to three Jews of some influence who all argue that Israel can kill whoever it wants in Gaza b/c fuck 'em.

      I was thinking about that Chris Hayes interview with Rula Jebreal. Twitter has the decency of people shining through that TV doesn't.

    • ISIS is too busy mutilating the genitals of the women and girls in Mosul.

      link to irishtimes.com

    • Is the operation in Gaza justified ?

      18-34 47% y /45% n
      65+ 67% y /23% n

      The Dersh is going to die and so will his cohort.
      Think of all the money the bots spend to get a draw in the 18-34 group where most people don't even watch TV news or read newspapers.

      Trend it out 20 years.
      The 18-34s will have kids . 10-17 will be even less fond of Israel. God only knows what stage fascism will have reached in Israel.

      Eventually Israel will drop the US and try with Asia

      link to ft.com

      "The main issue Israel faces is that in contrast to the US, emerging powers like China won't help Israel pursue its political agenda. They don't give a damn about the Palestinians but they don't give a damn about Israel and European Jewish history either. They will buy technology from Israel, buy oil from Iran and then sell second-rate copies of Israeli technology to Iran and watch them fight each other from a safe distance.
      Israel will never have as sympathetic a global hegemon to support it as the present-day United States. Maybe they should cash in their chips now and look for detente with regional powers like Iran and peace with the Palestinians instead of living with the shrapnel in their butt.
      But that would involve giving up that piece of land East of the Wailing Wall and West of the River Jordan and guys like Naftali Bennett think God promised it to him. I'm waiting for someone rational in Israel to call bulls**t on Bennett and other settlers. "

      Israel is not going to make it.

    • Judaism can't fix Israel. It's like expecting a negligent family to turn around a homicidal son and telling the authorities to back off and to hell with public safety.

      As Walt said in FP last year

      link to foreignpolicy.com
      "For realists like me, in short, halting a colonial enterprise that has been underway for over forty years will require a lot more than wise and well-intentioned words. Instead, it would require the exercise of power."

      Judaism should get out of the way. Freedland , Kristol and co are wasting their time writing about Israel. They'd be more productive watching porn. At least nobody would die.

    • Zionism is a butchery cult

      link to irishtimes.com

      "The Israeli ambassador to Ireland Boaz Modai this morning criticised the UN Human Rights Council, saying it protected terrorists.
      Asked on Newstalk FM whether he felt ashamed by the deaths of more than 700 people so far in the Israeli offensive in Gaza, he said: “I don’t feel even a bit of shame; I feel a lot of pride being part of this country. I was also in the Israeli army, the most moral army in the world.”"

    • Abunimah knows Zionism inside out . No wonder they are squirming.

      "The destruction of Palestine continues, so that people like J.J. can sit in New York and pontificate about how American Jews in North America need a spare country so that they can feel safe."

      It all comes back to the Hebrew problem. You just can't say in English what Israelis say about the aravim in Hebrew, the holy language.

      The Jewish part of the country has gone Betar Jerusalem remarkably quickly.

      Palestinians are entitled to ask Zionists "what did you expect ? "

    • I think one of the best quotes about the mess this week was on one of the NYT forums . "Israel was supposed to save Judaism. It may end up killing it. "

    • "The Haggadah tells us, Freedland says, that the wise son addresses the Jewish community from inside the Jewish circle while the wicked son speaks from outside the circle; and the Jewish community dismisses the wicked son’s ideas."

      Particularly useless . It's STFU in more words. Same as this :

      link to hartman.org.il

      "If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
      We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not."

      What does the Haggadah say about social media and bypassing bot control over MSM output ?

      Look at what US media darling Ari Shavit is saying

      link to haaretz.com
      "Who are we fighting? A fascist organization that terrorizes the people of Gaza, oppresses women and gays, and shuns all democratic values of freedom and progress.

      Those who are even slightly forgiving of Hamas are cooperating with a fanatically religious tyrannical dictator. Amos Oz spoke about Israeli neo-Nazis? Hamas are Palestinian neo-Nazis. They’ve turned the first strip of Palestinian land that was granted (relative) freedom into a bastion of totalitarianism. They’ve incessantly attacked Israel for roughly a decade. They staunchly rejected every Israeli attempt to prevent the current escalation. They stubbornly fired thousands of rockets at civilians.

      They’ve employed a sophisticated yet malicious strategy, which has two goals: to kill innocent Jews and force the IDF to kill innocent Palestinians. The murderous terrorist organization that took over the Gaza Strip in 2007, while executing many of its own people, is an organization of war criminals. By no means can they be allowed to win this difficult conflict, and by no means can we show any empathy for the evil they represent. "

      This Zionist clusterfuck is way beyond the capacity of Judaism to fix.
      It's not even about Gaza or the Palestinians any more either - Israel is slowly collapsing in the face of right wing madness.

      Louis Brandeis was Jewish, but from a different age link to law.cornell.edu
      “In a government of law, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”

      (thanks to Dickerson for the quote)

    • “Every time I come here I’m reminded where my family comes from"

      Surely Bloomberg is a Yiddish name

  • Avishai says we misrepresented his views
    • I have been very wary of Bernie Zionists ever since Madoff. Mooser- were you in the club ? You had to be very special to be invited. I bet Hophmi was in.

  • Israeli forces shell UN school where displaced Palestinians gathered, killing at least 9
    • did you read the link? What a mess.
      He's done apologizing for Israel.

      In a similar vein, S Daniel Abraham says Israel vs Gaza is a war between good and evil.
      link to haaretz.com

      I am trying to figure out how that makes Naftali Bennett an angel.
      But my head won't compute.

    • Mooser

      shut up and light those Beelzebub candles godammit

    • "And that, my friends, is how you mash a potato!"

      I wouldn't use it in my latkes .

    • link to electronicintifada.net

      Mads Gilbert: Can I just give you the light side? The light side is the resilience of the Palestinians. This is not a suffering people. This is not a begging people. They stand up. They stand tall.
      My love and my immense admiration for the staff and the volunteers in Shifa. And not to forget the paramedics — the sacrifice, the risk in every mission they do out in this dark city of death and destruction from the Israeli attack forces. My deepest admiration.
      Shifa hospital stands tall. People are tended to. The surgeons, the operating room scrub nurses, they work day and night. Nobody dies because nobody tried to rescue them. If they die it’s because the injury was too devastating for a body to sustain or if they came to us too late.

    • link to twitter.com

      "Why do so many Zionists deny the truth of what Israel is doing to Palestinians? Because even they recognize the truth is unbearable."

      REAL HEADLINE IN HAARETZ: "Owl injured in mortar attack on Israel picking up" link to haaretz.com

      Israeli propagandists "puking out" lies about hospitals hiding weapons, says Dr Mads. Gilbert link to bit.ly

    • They don't deserve neighbours like Spud

    • Rabbi Menachem Creditor Editor, 'Peace in Our Cities: Rabbis Against Gun Violence'

      link to huffingtonpost.com

    • Very interesting replies to Peter Spindoctor

      link to twitter.com
      "Dave Smith ‏@Knight3Black · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner Praying for any harmed or worse. #Bibi, No Mercy; Kill All of #Hamas. #UnitedWithIsrael

      Ahmed Ihmeid ‏@ahmed_ihmeid · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner stop fabricating and telling lies. You kill children and women. You weak and cowards.

      Dani Goldring ‏@GoldringD · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner Hamas just probably killed Palestinians. World opinion and UN will surely lay that body count on Israel.

      kenmc ‏@United_Gaza · 2h

      @LTCPeterLerner fight on the ground you pussy,cowards pic.twitter.com/LPtJrkLPtU

      AdilRajaa ‏@AdilRajaa1 · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner The IDF is the biggest coward army in the world. Your ground troops are useless. We know the real number.

      Chris Jordan ‏@Dubliner76 · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner Israel the world experts on child slaughter. Shame on you!!

      AdilRajaa ‏@AdilRajaa1 · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner We know the IDF is demoralized. Soldiers going AWOL, some refusing to go. The Emperor is wearing no clothes.

      AdilRajaa ‏@AdilRajaa1 · 2h
      @LTCPeterLerner The failure in Gaza will be exposed to the whole world. Your humiliation will be made public."

      Twitter is so different to MSNBC . The bots have no advantage whatsoever.

    • Mahane is probably sad they didn't kill more children in self defence.

    • I wonder what it would take for Rick Jacobs to come off the fence and condemn Israel . Would they have to start eating Palestinian babies ?

    • worth reading in full

      link to lrb.co.uk

      . "As the lawyer Noura Erakat has cogently argued, ‘Israel does not have the right to self-defence in international law against occupied Palestinian territory.’ Its argument that it no longer occupies the Gaza Strip has been dismissed by Lisa Hajjar of the University of California as a self-generated ‘licence to kill’".

      BTW Israel has lost an awful lot of support in the UK over the last 2 weeks. Even the Tories are sickened.

      Heartbreaking.

  • Why Israel's legal justifications for 'Operation Protective Edge' are wrong
    • Israel's legal justifications are bullshit. Israel claims it is abiding by international law. This is pathetic.

      Never trust a violence junkie

  • The swan song of the Israeli left
    • Moving to Israel to become a Zionist is called aliyah in Hebrew. Going up.

    • link to haaretz.com

      "The rise of political vigilantism is sadly not limited to the Shadow or his minions. Nor did it come out of thin air. It follows years and years of waning support and for the left that can be traced back to the beginning of the Second Intifada, perhaps even earlier. During the past decade, Israel has undergone a deep process of right-leaning radicalization: the left now has less than 30 of the 120 seats in Knesset.
      De facto, it is no longer legitimate to be left-wing in Israel. “Leftists” have become such pariahs that during the last elections then-Labor leader Shelly Yachimovich vehemently insisted that neither she nor her party (Labor, the party of Rabin and Peres!) are or ever were left wing.

      The term “leftist”, in fact, has become a derogatory term barely distanced from “Nazi” in its offensiveness. Comedian Orna Banai was fired from an advertising campaign this week, after lightheartedly describing herself as a “weird left-wing Arab-lover.” Being a leftist is so taboo, that you can’t even joke about it.

      What’s left of the Israeli left is these puny, slightly-pathetic, street demonstrations. Now, even that ineffectual means is threatened by extremist bullies, legitimized by the apathy of the silent majority and the blind eye of politicians who profit from hate.

      This is what happens when people are told over and over and over again that the left is “the enemy from within”. It is only a matter of time before they want to “help” the army in its battle against Israel’s enemies. And it is that same pent-up energy, the energy of a frustrated and angry mob, that led to the kidnap and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir"

      30 out of 120 and 11 of those are Palestinian so there are only 19 Jewish left wingers out of 120- less than one sixth
      No wonder Israel has gone to the dogs.

    • Bibi's children


      link to youtube.com

      The slow death of hatikva

    • I never had the opportunity to follow a society's descent into fascism. I was too young for Spain, Italy and Germany.
      But with a Ha'aretz subscription it's now possible again.

      And it reminds me of this (what the Germans did in the Netherlands)
      link to holocaust-lestweforget.com

  • 'No food, no water to revive awaiting certain death...': Horrifying report from Khuza'a village following Israeli attack
    • This is one of the people who Rick Jacobs wants US Reform Jews to support politically, no questions asked. The Jewish prison.

    • link to theguardian.com
      Israel's finance minister Naftali Bennett has given an unapologetic interview to Sky News, accusing Hamas of using their own civilians as human shields, adding that "you fight back - there is now proportionality when you fight terror."
      Asked about growing support for Hamas in the face of increasing bloodshed in Gaza, he called supporters of Hamas "immoral", adding:
      We want to live side by side, it's them who are running after us. We handed them the land and they turned it into a fortress of terror."

    • link to haaretz.com
      "The website “Walla!” published talkback comments on an article about the four children killed on the Gaza beach. Shani Moyal: “I couldn’t care less that Arab children were killed, too bad it wasn’t more. Well done to the IDF.” Stav Sabah: “Really, these are great pictures. They make me so happy, I want to look at them again and again.” Sharon Avishi: “Only four? Too bad. We hoped for more.” Daniela Turgeman: “Great. We need to kill all the children.” Chaya Hatnovich: “There isn’t a more beautiful picture than those of dead Arab children.” Orna Peretz: “Why only four?” Rachel Cohen: “I’m not for children dying in Gaza. I’m for everyone burning.” Tami Mashan: “As many children as possible should die.”

      link to biblegateway.com
      "Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b] Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”

      5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to the Lord.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry."

    • link to theguardian.com

      "In an interview with Sky News this morning British foreign secretary Philip Hammond has reiterated the view that Israel has a legitimate right to defend itself but warned that international sympathy was running out.

      On a visit to the region, he told Sky News that his clear message to Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu was "as the campaign goes on and civilian casualties mount, western public opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less sympathetic to Israel".

      Hammond said Britain was urging Israel to move towards a cease fire but it "takes two to tango."

      He said: "We are appealing to Israel [to consider] their western values and do everything they can to exercise their legitimately right to self defence while minimising the damage caused."

      He added that discussions were ongoing with Hamas, but the negotiations did not involve the UK and "had to be through the channels that Egypt had created".

      Asked about the impact of a UNHCR decision to carry out a war crimes investigation, he said:

      "I think that is a clear message as the campaign goes on and civilian casualties mount, western public opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less sympathetic to Israel. That is simply a fact."

      He added: "It is also the case that the longer the campaign goes on the stronger Hamas becomines politically."

    • Slaughter in Gaza- remember who is watching.

      link to haaretz.com

      :What slices American Jewry into segments is age. Anyone over 70 remembers the Holocaust and is religiously committed to Israel. Anyone over 50 remembers the younger Israel and finds it hard to free himself of its charm. But anyone under 30 experiences a duality: On one hand, he is drawn to the Israel of high-tech and Tel Aviv and night life, but on the other hand, he is horrified by the Israel of the “price-tag” attacks and the exclusion of women. When this duality comes into contact with a hostile left-wing atmosphere, the results are devastating. Many students at Harvard and Columbia and Stanford feel that current Israeli politics makes it hard for them to love Israel.
      Thus when Netanyahu is getting high on the sweeping support of the American Jewish establishment, he is disconnected from reality. He has no idea where the new America stands, and he has no idea where young Jews stand. He doesn’t understand what’s happening at the universities where he himself studied. The first Israeli prime minister to speak perfect English speaks 1970s- and 1980s-era American."

      Israel deserves the crash that is coming.

    • The First Handwringing Brigade of Liberal Judaism is due to parachute in bromides in the next few minutes.

  • On ‘Death to Arabs’ in Jerusalem & Tel Aviv
    • link to haaretz.com
      "Then a month ago, in honor of Jerusalem Day, dozens of students banged on doors in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City while crying out, “Destroy the seed of Amalek,” “The Temple will be rebuilt, the mosque burned,” “Mohammed is dead,” and “Death to Arabs.

      A year ago, with another wave of hate crimes in the background, I visited a high school in Jerusalem. There were students there who declared they hated all the Arabs, that they did not want to see Arabs anywhere — “Not in the street, not in the mall, not on the light rail” — alongside others who offered a more complex message. Research and surveys in the last 20 years show that the strength of the first group has grown steadily, while the second group is shrinking and going silent. Hatred has become a major component in the personal and group identity of our youth. It is present all the time, and sometimes, in some places and depending on the events, it also rears its head toward immigrants and leftists. "

      link to haaretz.com
      "The secretary-general of World Bnei Akiva – a religious youth movement that used to be moderate – demanded this week that Israeli soldiers be turned into an army of revenge and not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins. The head of the Jewish Identity Administration that Bennett established, a former IDF chief rabbi, demanded “state vengeance.” Fully 52 percent of Jewish first-graders study in religious or ultra-Orthodox schools, and most are imbibing the theology that “you [the Jews] are called man, and the nations of the world are not call man.”
      At the demonstration where those who burned a boy alive met up, demonstrators shouted the chant that has taken over the Beitar Jerusalem soccer team: “The Jew is a great soul; the Arab is a son of a bitch.” This isn’t a superficial slogan. In the theology of the generation trained by the establishment’s education system, Jews are told that non-Jews have no soul. Non-Jews have only the same animal spirit that beasts do. Only Jews have a truly human soul, to which the commandment “do not murder” applies. It’s not by chance that the influential ultra-Orthodox kabbalist Rabbi David Batzri said, “The Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are Satan. They are donkeys and beasts.”
      And who will change this? The education minister – who was appointed thanks to secular votes – who ruled that it’s forbidden to sell an apartment to Arabs? And he even based himself on the Biblical verse “Thou shalt show no mercy to them” (Deuteronomy 7:2) – the religious commandment of this generation, which has three elements: It’s forbidden to show favor to non-Jews; it’s forbidden to give them a foothold in the land; and it’s forbidden to pity them.
      The era of self-deception has ended. This is the face of the regime. This is the face of those who control most of the regime’s education and religion. A rabbi like Shmuel Eliyahu, who rails against selling or renting to Arabs and encourages violence against them, has been promoted to the role of spiritual guide to the Magen David Adom ambulance service. "

      Don't forget the elites who feed the monster
      link to haaretz.com
      "Both morality and the rule of law demand equal treatment of all murders. They also demand an acknowledgment of the difference between the deliberate murder of innocent civilians and the legitimate military actions of a government seeking to protect its citizens, even when those military actions cause unavoidable civilian casualties among the human shields widely employed by Israel’s enemies. "

      But liberal Judaism will save the day and Israeli democracy is strong.

    • "As the mobs stroll through the streets, its total toleration from passersby and police deflate any hope I may have in the future of a harmonious Jewish/Arab coexistence"

      link to theguardian.com

    • Or watch the videos

      link to youtube.com

  • 9 Reasons why Israel is under rocket attack 
    • Very well put. Never ever mentioned in the media. Context never is.
      Rula Jebreal should have nailed Chris whatever his name is on that.

    • 10 Impunity
      11 the gap between the cover of the lobby and the weakness of hasbara in the wider world

      And violence works both ways

  • It's time for liberal Jewish bodies to take a stand
    • Liberal Jews should walk away now. Israel is set on YESHA, set on apartheid, set on regular massacres

      link to ft.com

      "As Israel’s political relations fray with the EU – and some question its relationship with the US – Mr Netanyahu’s government is seeking to diversify its economic relations by strengthening ties with faster-growing countries.“The lesson we learnt from the recent experience negotiating with the EU over Horizon 2020 was that Israel cannot put all of its eggs in one basket,” says Naftali Bennett, Israel’s economy minister and head of the rightwing, pro-settler Jewish Home party. “We need to scatter them.”
      Another government official, reflecting on a recent visit by Chinese politicians to Israel, put matters more bluntly: “They don’t care about the [Palestinian] issue,” the official said. “They want to talk about three things: Israeli technology, Israeli technology and Israeli technology.”
      Israel’s economic pivot to the east and south is a welcome development for the majority of Israelis who reject Europe’s growing drive to isolate their country economically over its Palestinian policies.
      However, defence minister Moshe Ya’alon, a leading rightwinger in the ruling Likud party and a sceptic of the peace talks, said he preferred “EU boycotts over rockets on Tel Aviv”. His comments reflected a steelier view within government that Israel is ready to weather economic isolation.
      Mr Bennett, a former businessman who co-founded and sold a successful software company before entering politics, is a principal architect of Israel’s push into new markets. Among leftwing Israelis, he is an object of scorn for his categorical rejection of a Palestinian state. He once compared Israel’s ability to live with the conflict to a man he knew who was able to adjust to life with a piece of shrapnel in his rear end.
      While remarks such as these have made headlines, Mr Bennett has – more quietly – led economic delegations to China and India. His ministry is closing Israeli trade missions in Sweden and Finland and opening missions in China, India and Brazil."

      One super comment below the article

      . link to ft.com

      "The main issue Israel faces is that in contrast to the US, emerging powers like China won't help Israel pursue its political agenda. They don't give a damn about the Palestinians but they don't give a damn about Israel and European Jewish history either. They will buy technology from Israel, buy oil from Iran and then sell second-rate copies of Israeli technology to Iran and watch them fight each other from a safe distance.
      Israel will never have as sympathetic a global hegemon to support it as the present-day United States. Maybe they should cash in their chips now and look for detente with regional powers like Iran and peace with the Palestinians instead of living with the shrapnel in their butt.
      But that would involve giving up that piece of land East of the Wailing Wall and West of the River Jordan and guys like Naftali Bennett think God promised it to him. I'm waiting for someone rational in Israel to call bulls**t on Bennett and other settlers. "

    • Denazification would be a good prototype

    • It's time to bury Zionism and start over

    • link to haaretz.com

      "The toughest talk at the service was made by Israeli consul-general to New England Yehuda Yakov, who reminded his audience of the fact that “Israel still lives in the jungle. As much as we want to wish it away, the jungle is still there.” The threats that surround the country mean that “along with start-up Israel and the multicultural mosaic, we also have to be Fortress Israel, and I don’t say that with any glee, that’s a fact.” His rallying cry to the American Jews in the sanctuary: “We still need you desperately, we need you to understand, we need you to identify and we still need you to explain.” Shrage struck a similar theme, saying that the Jewish state “is in the midst of a dangerous neighborhood - and we can’t expect the state of Israel to behave like the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We live in a blessed place. They live in an extremely dangerous place. ” “I urge you, I beg you - I pray that you will remember what your responsibility is tomorrow ... only we can stand up for Israel, we are in the catbird seat." He entreated them to “not be silent if someone says something about Israel that is negative, jarring, or offensive” because “we are what stands between Israel and destruction in many ways” and that without U.S. support, Israel would be in “triple and quadruple amount of danger” and “it is incumbent upon us to speak up so that blood will not be, god forbid, on our hands.” "

    • "It will take great courage and conviction and you will need to draw deep into the well of Jewish ethics."

      Most of those ethics, however solemn, were developed in the absence of political power. And as soon as the Jewish State emerged they were dumped.
      Now they are tortured daily across Israel.

      And who wants to" draw deep into the well of Jewish ethics" to face the Goldstone treatment ? Who wants the full Max Blumenthal ostracisation package ?

      link to virtualmethodist.blogspot.ch

      "You coasted along
      To larger houses, gadgets, more machines
      To golf and weekend bungalows,
      Caravans when the children were small,
      the Mediterranean, later, with the wife.

      You did not go to Church often,
      Weddings were special;
      But you kept your name on the books
      Against eventualities;
      And the parson called, or the curate.

      You showed a sense of responsibility,
      With subscriptions to worthwhile causes
      And service in voluntary organisations;
      And, anyhow, this did the business no harm,
      No harm at all.
      Relations were improving. A good
      useful life. You coasted along.

      You even had a friend of two of the other sort,
      Coasting too: your ways ran parallel.
      Their children and yours seldom met, though,
      Being at different schools.
      You visited each other, decent folk with a sense
      Of humour. Introduced, even, to
      One of their clergy. And then you smiled
      In the looking-glass, admiring, a
      Little moved by, your broadmindedness.
      Your father would never have known
      One of them. Come to think of it,
      When you were young, your own home was never
      Visited by one of the other sort.

      Relations were improving. The annual processions
      began to look rather like folk-festivals.

      When that noisy preacher started,
      he seemed old-fashioned, a survival.
      Later you remarked on his vehemence,
      a bit on the rough side.
      But you said, admit, you said in the club,
      ‘You know, there’s something in what he says’.

      And you who seldom had time to read a book,
      what with reports and the colour-supplements,
      denounced censorship.
      And you who never had an adventurous thought
      were positive that the church of the other sort
      vetoes thought.
      And you who simply put up with marriage
      for the children’s sake, deplored
      the attitude of the other sort
      to divorce.
      You coasted along.
      And all the time, though you never noticed,
      The old lies festered;
      the ignorant became more thoroughly infected;
      there were gains, of course;
      you never saw any go barefoot.

      The government permanent, sustained
      by the regular plebiscites of loyalty.
      You always voted but never
      put a sticker on your car;
      a card in the window
      would not have been seen from the street.
      Faces changed on posters, names too, often,
      but the same families, the same class of people.
      A Minister once called you by your first name.
      You coasted along
      and the sores supperated and spread.

      Now the fever is high and raging;
      Who would have guessed it, coasting along?
      The ignorant-sick thresh about in delirium
      And tear at the scabs with dirty finger-nails.
      The cloud of infection hangs over the city,
      A quick change of wind and it
      Might spill over the leafy suburbs.
      You coasted along."

    • @ Chu

      All they do is talk. Don't want to upset anyone

      link to theguardian.com

      "For example, on the BBC’s Today programme yesterday, leading the leader of the Reform Judaism movement in Britain Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner said she was “completely heartbroken” by what is going on and that she feels “empathy for both sides”, yet she did not go so far as to say that Israel’s actions are wrong."

      Total waste of space. The UN is investigating war crimes and the leader of the grooviest sect in UK Judaism can't even go so far as to say what Israel is doing may not be prudent.

      Janner Klausner's US homologue is Rick Jacobs, he man the bots sent to the Presbyterians to urge them to prefer dialogue with Israel over divestment

      link to blogs.rj.org

      "As you know, the conflict in Gaza has intensified. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the Israeli soldiers killed in action, with our brothers and sisters in Israeli, and with all who are in danger.
      When the conflict began, the Reform Movement made a decision to join Stop the Sirens, a community-wide campaign, coordinated by Jewish Federations of North American (JFNA), to provide relief and support to the most heavily impacted Israeli communities. We did this rather than creating our own campaign to support our Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism (IMPJ) congregations and the vital work the IMPJ itself is doing because we thought it was important to show support for the larger communal effort.
      We encourage all members of Reform congregations to continue to provide funds and donations to their local Jewish Federations to assure that continued funding will be available in the coming weeks as it is likely that the current crisis will not end in the next few days. Our ongoing support for Israel and its citizens will continue to be desperately needed. "

      Another complete waste of time.

      Liberal Tribalism won't do anything .
      Walt put it very well a while ago

      link to foreignpolicy.com
      "For realists like me, in short, halting a colonial enterprise that has been underway for over forty years will require a lot more than wise and well-intentioned words. Instead, it would require the exercise of power."

      I wouldn't bother calling liberal Judaism

    • Give us a break talking about liberal Judaism- come back when you have neutralized people like the Dersh and Adelson. Something like the von Stauffenberg attempt of July 1944 is required. The extremists are walking all over you.

      A lot of liberal Jewish bodies are taking a stand at airline counters in Turkey wondering when they are going to be able to get home and presumably whining about how Khamas is ruining their holidays and business trips, as if Israel should somehow be immune from the contingency of life, in the country that runs the 47 year old occupation and has suddenly started paying for it.

      " If Israel is to survive as a liberal, democratic nation" and my aunt grows a pair of elf ears .
      Israel was never democratic.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • Bibi is so full of shit. Israeli TV won't show a B'tselem video naming all the kids Israel has murdered and Israel can't deal with the tunnels because they couldn't be arsed when it mattered

      "How Israel botched the battle against Hamas
      The writing about the Hamas's network of tunnels was on the wall but nobody wanted to read it, says a geologist who set up Military Intelligence’s special-operations division. "
      link to haaretz.com

      and now he's bringing in Kindergartens.

      Israel has already bombed rehab hospitals, general hospitals, schools, mosques and family homes .

      He has no idea how much hatred he's engendering for Israel.

  • 'Heartbreaking' is U.S. government's talking point for Gaza massacre
    • "I have just two words about the UN Human Rights Council decision: Get lost." - @Tzipi_Livni

      So it'll be the same schtick as last time. Operation Goldstone. Only acceptable if a respectable Jew leads the team and the bots can intimidate him/her into saying nothing happened.

    • From http://www.WTF.com and link to haaretz.com

      "Speaking at the meeting, Israel's envoy to the UNHRC, Eviatar Manor, charged that the UN Human Rights Council "failed to protect the human rights of Israelis."
      Manor went on to say that the residents of Gaza were not Israel's enemies and that Israel was committed to international law . He charged the council of "pouring oil on the fire." "

    • Netanyahu bringing decent people into his slime world.
      The shame !

    • I am heartbroken about all the Israelis stranded in Turkey.

      They must learn a harsh and expensive lesson about voting for homicidal arseholes like Netanyahu and Bennett.

    • Surely "heartless" would be a more appropriate word .

      Jen Psaki and her gopher are 2 sad careerists. Jen in particular is a desperately poor role model for gingers. Kerry would have been as bad as Bush as well, prolly. Empire men.

      “we have been heartbroken by the high civilian death toll in Gaza but we are heartened by the lobby money, for which we will do anything up to and including cheerleading genocide ” –Jen Psaki, last Thursday.

  • 'We know that Israel has no red line when it attacks us': Civilians bear the brunt as Israel’s offensive on Gaza continues
  • 'Slate' blames Birthright for indoctrinating American Jew who was killed fighting for Israel
    • The IDF glorifies combat death and they have built quite a cult around it.


      link to youtube.com

      "The fallen". Women who die in combat are fallen women. So is Tzipi Livni.

      There is a special holiday to mark all the Jews killed in Israel's many wars of choice. Because the army is the central institution in Israeli life.

      And a young death for Erez Israel fighting terrorists is the most mysterious of all. Especially when the lawnmower is responsible.

      Of course the James Dean of IDF death is Netanyahu's brother.

    • Isn't it?
      I thought Jews were born to show the world how to live .

  • Israel's 'defeat'
    • break the news softly to Israelis

      Has to be a song by the (Gaza) fugees

    • Another 3 today
      Most of them are posthumously promoted . WTF.

    • I think the BG news is more important, Walid.
      It was top of the news all over Europe yesterday. Dick and Jan van Citizen pay attention to things like that. Israel's gate to the world semi shut.

      Even Danon was WHINING, a long way from his usual Obermensch pose.

    • Israel won't accept the Hamas conditions. Because Israel wants everything.
      And that mentality is losing.
      Israel is completely dependent on what the world thinks of it. And that opinion is not what it was.

  • US plays decisive role in Israel's attack on Gaza
    • heartbreaking reminder of close bonds viz drones, NSA, propaganda, torture, DIME munitions, flechettes, white phosphorous, human rights abuses, wars against Muslims and ignoring veterans

    • "The Irish Mirror also reports that the long-time supporters of Palestinian freedom also displayed the number of lives lost in Gaza during a performance of ‘Unfinished Sympathy' - which was met with huge applause from the crowd."

      Amazing song . Very popular in Ireland .

    • Rula is a legend. That was a fantastic interview.

    • link to haaretz.com
      “The whole industry is on the verge of a nervous breakdown,” said the manager of a big travel agency in Tel Aviv, who asked that he not be quoted by name."

      "According to Yossi Fattal, head of the Israel Travel Agents’ Association, “tens of thousands” of Israelis are now stranded

      abroad because of flight cancellations. “What we are advising travelers to do is simply buy a ticket on another airline that is flying to or from Israel in order to get to their destination quickly because the cost of sticking around and waiting for international flights to resume could end up being higher.”

      Since 40 percent of the Israeli travel agency business is concentrated in two months of the year, July and August, the flight cancellations could deliver a severe blow to the industry, he estimated. “We are already seeing cutbacks and dismissals,” he said. “Nothing this dramatic ever happened before because the last time international airlines stopped flying to Israel was during the first Gulf War, and that was in the winter, which isn’t a peak travel season.” "

    • They deserve it. Gaza does it own economic lawnmowing.
      With their special hedge tools they trim 1% off Israeli GDP growth. Yossi gets a lower payrise. Investments are put off. Israelis lose their jobs. The occupation comes right to the centre of the national balance sheet. Israeli bonds investors start asking questions about risk that was never previously priced in. Beautiful. Kteer hilw.

    • "There can be no hope of a peaceful solution ever gaining traction – or these bouts of blood-letting in Gaza coming to end – unless Washington is finally unmasked as Israel’s abettor-in-chief"

      Only way to do that is to open AIPAC and its funding of politicians to fresh air and investigative reporting.
      And the only way to do that is to leverage popular disgust at Israeli war crimes.

      Citizens United and subsequent decisions about campaign finance are at the heart of this. Zionism is as destructive as medical insurance in mangling the US political system. Neither are even remotely sustainable long term on current trends.

      I think Israel will collapse before relevant change happens in the US.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • She was really good.

      Media in general, not just TV, only focus on the now, never on the context.

      Ukraine is all about war, nothing about the systematic pillage of the country's resources by the previous leaders and subsequent economic collapse that led to the situation.

      Gaza is all about rockets, nothing about the evil policies of Israel

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