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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • Netanyahu speech scandal blows up, and 'soiled' Dermer looks like the fall guy
    • Dermer is a total toerag. Way out of his depth. A tribute to the later Israeli education and bubble thinking. At least his predecessor could talk coherently even though he was lying.

      I used to love the Fall Guy as a kid

  • Finkelstein on Joan Peters's legacy (and Dershowitz's legal troubles)
    • The settlements are a trap, Walid.

      If there was a Palestinian strategist who could convince the Israelis to dumb down their education system, coarsen their society, mis allocate over $100bn over 40 years and turn the society into an international pariah she would be hailed as Salah a din v2.0

      Zionism will fall over all by itself.
      BDS is about sniping away at the edges like the French Resistance.

    • There is more than one way to skin a cat, Walid.

    • "I generally don’t get on the train if I don’t know the destination"-

      Your train is headed for sociocide in Gaza, Jon. I wouldn't travel with you
      wrong way on a one way track

      there are over 6.5 million LOST JEWS in Israel.

    • "For example, right now I am reading through the foreign relations of the U.S. volumes on the Carter years 1977 through ’80. They are voluminous they run to 3,000 pages. But as you know during that period that’s when the transition occurred between the Labor party which was ejected from office in 1977 and the Likud for the first time takes power"

      Finkelstein is so interesting. He knows about empires and how they rise and fall. He doesn't buy the hasbara that Israel is permanent, get over it and tough titty to the Palestinians who LOST.

      He wants to understand the drivers of the current mess and explore what might happen when the memes break down further.

      In the MBTI system of personality classification, people like him are intuitives. They read between the lines and look for meanings in all things. Focus on implications and inferences, value imagination

      Hasbara bots are sensors. They can only deal with info they already have. They trust whatever can be measured or documented and focus on what is real or concrete. They focus on RULES. In Israel's case what counts are JEWISH RULES.

      It's a gladiatorial psychological combat between 2 different ways of thinking with the biggest unknown being how American Jews, especially the younger ones, will deal with the ongoing poison emanating from Eretz Israel Hashlemah. The fact that they read is one of the biggest risk factors for Zionism.

  • That thrilling, anti-elitist Shas campaign video
    • That Shas video is shit. They play on anti elitism but the Jewish elite fund them to the hilt as Jews.They aren't interested in social justice outside their own miserable tribe- their identity revolves around Torah and not being Palestinian.

    • More hours of state funded schooling but less education

  • Report accuses Israel of targeting Gaza's water facilities
    • What a mess. Jewish inhumanity in Gaza and they think nobody knows about it

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      "The comic actor Maureen Lipman, known for her role as a proud Jewish mother in a series of British Telecom adverts, has said the sharp rise in antisemitic attacks in Britain may prompt her to leave the country.Speaking to LBC after Holocaust memorial ceremonies took place across the world, she said she has considered moving to the US or Israel because of an increase in the number of attacks on Jews.Lipman said: “When the going gets tough, the Jews get packing … it’s crossed my mind that it’s time to have a look around for another place to live. I’ve thought about going to New York, I’ve thought about going to Israel.”"

  • French Jews, surrender to terror in the baguette capital and move to the land of legal terror!
    • You know what, Yonah? Israel needed someone like Ataturk in 1948 to impose rigid secularity (after the ethnic cleansing and sociocide). Build the institutions like the army to keep religion out.

      The mix of Hebrew nationalism and religion is poisonous. The IDF is infected with the virus too. And the Hebron thing- what a millstone.

      I think it was Shlomo Sand who wrote recently about the need to strengthen the Israeli identity- forget about chosenness, just the identity derived from being there in itself.

      More and more people are linking Judaism to Israeli actions against Palestinians. That is not good. You need a separation. But how to do it?

    • "the alarms go off in my head when someone drops in “chosen people” when it is not relevant to the discussion."

      The notion of chosenness drives the iterations. Killing Palestinians as the work of Hakadosh Baruch Hu. Chosenness is at the heart of darkness.

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      "Last week, at the funeral of the three Jewish teens, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke of the huge moral chasm between us and the Palestinians."

      Henry Kissinger once said he wished the Bible had been written in Uganda.

    • 8 out of 10 prefer whiskas. apparently

      Most people couldn't care less about Jews, Yonah.

  • Phila Inquirer publishes a lie: 'Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same'
    • Yonah

      The roots of Zionism are one thing but the flowers are putrid.
      the Nazis did awful things but why is Israel so cruel and heedless?
      And what the Palestinians do to deserve you ?

    • He was a real genius, wasn't he? Such a pity he died so young.

    • Weinthal's goatee doesn't fool anyone about his baldness

    • So if you despise the blowing up of families and the selection and murder of Hebrew speakers and the existence of a middle class in Gaza you are a Jew hater ?
      Why would Jews want to be associated with any of the above ?

      Isn't this sort of stuff more like it ?

  • 'The New York Times' throws another sop to lovers of Israel
    • I can imagine Ivri's idea of sexy- - strips for Cast Lead morale boosting , runs checkpoint humiliation programs, looks great in shades and uzi, never reads books other than the Torah and doesn't understand Israeli patriarchy and how she is used

  • Former Obama aide's thinktank calls for 1/4 of French Jews to move to Israel
    • And Zionists should lighten up. It's far better to have a culture based on laughing at yourself rather than persecuting others

  • Israeli forces detain 10-year old boy and assault his family members in East Jerusalem
    • the photos are always interesting in terms of what they say. In Hebrew speak it's our boys controlling terrorism.
      To many who grew up in a normal society it's white Jews with guns and a native child.
      Why the guns ?

    • This is what all those Jews down the centuries prayed for. If my right hand should forget how to torture kids in Jerusalem.

    • Turkey is very afraid of the repercussions of Kurds getting their act together.
      Most of eastern turkey is Kurdish and rightly belongs equally to the Armenians.

  • Tell your congressperson: Don't attend Netanyahu's speech
    • @Ro Ha

      "Why can I not speak
      you're not so unique ..."

    • Bibi is a wild motherfucker and a chaos monger. I've been watching a few films with the kids recently. He is a stock movie villain like Mandrake in Epic

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      kids get a lot of chaos packed into 2 hours at the cinema but it always ends well. And it's the same in the MSM. But in the real world the trauma just goes on and on for anyone unfortunate enough to be an deemed an enemy of Zionism.

    • Zionism wants Iran to go though the same hell as Libya all so that Israel strings things out for a few more years of paranoia and hatred

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      "Libya has a practice of not seeking help for psychological problems, and the few trained psychologists and psychiatrists have very limited experience of treating trauma and consequences of torture and war,” the report said.

      “In addition, severe social stigma exists regarding those affected by mental illness. Psychiatric symptoms are attributed to the act of pagan symbols like the evil eye, magic or sorcery.”

      Ahlam Chemlali, one of the Dignity field workers, recalled how “videos of rape and torture were so widespread and popular that people would name characters from the videos, like the ‘butcher from Misrata’ or the ‘rapist from Brega’ as if they were actors playing in a horror snuff movie. Filmed torture seems to have been a consistent way of spreading or exposing fear.”

      The report recalls the exhilaration in Benghazi when the Libyan revolution began in February 2011 but concludes that both the short-term consequences of the internal conflict and the long-term legacy of 42 years of Gaddafi’s rule remain unaddressed."

      The short term consequences and the long term legacy issues around setting up a Zionist base in the levant were never addressed either.

  • On the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz
    • There was very little punishment in Germany for those who took part in the systematic destruction of the Jewish communities of Eastern Europe. Nobody wanted to go there so they just left it.

      Israel didn't respect the survivors.
      The Germans paid reparations. Israel took the money.

      Now of course the dead are saints.

      The whole story is so sordid.

    • "Some choose to diminish the significance of the Holocaust and use it to divert attention to their own political agendas. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens but today has been reserved. "

      not in Erez Israel hashlemah, habibi
      all those loser Jews who went willingly to the slaughter didn't fit in the new Judistan

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      "Ultimately, in 1951, Israel’s Yom HaShoah (literally, Holocaust Day) was scheduled close to the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. (NOT AUSCHWITZ DAY) The choice of date was an attempt to focus on those who fought against the Nazis, rather than on those who never had that chance. Those who “went like sheep to the slaughter," as it was phrased in those days, were an embarrassment to the so-called “new Jews” of Israel. The official name of the new memorial day—Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Day—reflected this mindset: It was, in large part, a commemoration of the lucky few who had been able to fight, rather than the unfortunate majority. In effect, Israel’s version of Holocaust memorial day was not a commemoration, but a denial of memory. "

  • Burnat and Barghouthi are reportedly assaulted during West Bank demonstrations
    • He must have been tortured systematically . The bots advised the Yanks in Iraq on torture. It's all about control. Who is top dog. You do what I say

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      "The report suggests Abu Zubaydah was a broken man after his extensive interrogations. In CIA documents he is described as having become so compliant that “when the interrogator raised his eyebrows” he would walk to the “water table” and sit down. The interrogator only had to snap his fingers twice for Abu Zabaydah to lie down, ready for water-boarding, the report says."

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      The memo described ten techniques which the interrogators wanted to use: "(1) attention grasp, (2) walling, (3) facial hold, (4) facial slap (insult slap), (5) cramped confinement, (6) wall standing, (7) stress positions, (8) sleep deprivation, (9) insects placed in a confinement box, and (10) the waterboard.”[32] Many of the techniques were, until then, generally considered illegal.[12][73][76][86][94][95] Many other techniques developed by the CIA were held to constitute inhumane and degrading treatment and torture under the United Nations Convention against Torture and Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.[73]

      As reported later, many of these interrogation techniques were previously considered illegal under U.S. and international law and treaties at the time of Zubaydah's capture.[73][94] For instance, the United States had prosecuted Japanese military officials after World War II and American soldiers after the Vietnam War for waterboarding.[94] Since 1930, the United States had defined sleep deprivation as an illegal form of torture.[12] Many other techniques developed by the CIA constitute inhuman and degrading treatment and torture under the United Nations Convention against Torture, and Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.[73]"

      Don't forget the Zionist rationale for this

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      "Terrorism has altered the landscape in many areas, including the rules of war and engagement, law, investigative and interrogation techniques, and the detention of enemy combatants. Journalism is no exception"

      Torture is the price of the "Jewish state". If you want to have all those powerful mitzvoth in one place you need sons of bitches to manage the perimeter of the force field.

    • His true face has worms growing out of it.

    • More Hastings on the car crash

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      "But I have also watched the soldiers of the Israeli Army that I once loved disport themselves among the Palestinians like other arrogant occupiers through the ages, displaying at best casual rudeness, at worst murderous brutality.
      Israel aspires to exploit its military dominance to create irreversible facts on the ground in the West Bank and Jerusalem, heedless of Palestinian rights.
      Ahron Bregman, the Israeli whose history of the Occupation I mentioned above, now lives and works in London rather than in his homeland. He ends his book by saying that all successful imperialist powers have sought to persuade subject peoples to work with them, allowing them to gain some advantage despite being conquered.
      Ahron Bregman, the Israeli whose history of the Occupation I mentioned, lives and works in London rather than in his homeland.

      He ends his book by saying all successful imperialist powers have sought to persuade subject people to work with them, allowing them to gain some advantage despite being conquered.

      Israel has never felt a need to offer this, says the author. Instead, it treats the Palestinians merely as tiresome blots on a landscape that many Israelis believe is rightfully Jewish anyway.

      For those who loved what we thought Israel used to be, it is heartbreaking to see what it has become today. That the crisis is giving rise to some ugly displays of anti-semitism in parts of Europe is utterly contemptible.

      But it is also contemptible that some apologists hurl charges of anti-semitism at all Israel’s critics – many of whom are admirers of so much that this great nation has achieved. Most of us merely attack Israeli excesses as we do those of Russia, Burma, China, Syria, the US or any other government that deploys disproportionate violence against those at its mercy.

      Israel’s people deserve a less unworthy leader than Netanyahu, and a higher vision than that of reducing Gaza to rubble.

      This can breed only a new generation of alienated, embittered Palestinian radicals, who will sustain their desperate struggle through decades to come. "

  • Like the Wind, We Will Be Free: How being detained at Ben Gurion airport during a family trip to Palestine reaffirmed my identity
  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • There is a bigger tectonic shift going on between the GOP and the Dems over issues like debt and healthcare and the bots are just a marginal wedge even if they have oversized influence.
      So maybe this particular episode will be covered up but if I were a bot strategist I'd be very worried for 2-3 years down the road. The trend is not good for Israel.

  • In Iraq and Syria the US sanctions its allies while its friends back its enemies (got that?)
    • The wars in Syria and Iraq are linked to the global economic situation and the stasis in US politics . The GOP won't accept healthcare reform but loves war spending. GOP pols don't do the dying either.

      Remember the logic of war

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      "Capital must be destroyed in order for liquidity to be usefully deployed once again — especially if it is to deliver investment returns.
      Hence, why wars are so hugely useful for dealing with economic depressions. They permanently and effectively destroy capacity. Not just the surplus capacity that plagues the system, but core capacity, which serves a genuine economic need. Indeed, it’s the need for the capacity to be reinstalled that in many ways justifies a return on investment again."

      Syria will be a super growth market once the war is over.

  • Letter from a Texas Maximum Security Prison: A personal reflection on Martin Luther King Day
    • Gamal

      Denning dismissed one of the Birmingham Six's appeal on the basis that, if it were accepted, then it meant all the police involved had fitted them up. The prospect of this was "such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that these actions should go any further."

      Very like this unforgettable sketch by Peter Cook called the biased judge (based on the trial of Jeremy Thorpe)

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • And this notion that it's dead Israeli soldiers, the reaction has to be disproportionate- who the fuck do the Israelis think they are? The Shia have been around in the area far longer than the bots have and they have as much right to use violence as any IDF grunt.

      The bots have gone nuts from all the abuse meted out to Gaza.

    • I have no sympathy for Israeli soldiers who die when they run into hezb traps. God knows Israel has killed enough Palestinians using informers.
      Live by the sword, die in agony.

      G-d's will, surely

      And if it is a senior soldier that'll be revenge for Mughniyeh.

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      "Jumblatt is the leader of the Druze Progressive Socialist Party, formerly affiliated with the March 14 Alliance, but currently siding with Hezbollah on the Syria Civil War. "

      That is SO Lebanese Druze.
      why do we never hear about the Arslan family ?

    • The Hezb have a balance of power thing going on with the bots. And they have better weapons than Hamas. And Israel can't go postal over dead Jewish boys as it would in Gaza.

      The Wahhabis on the other hand are never going to touch Israel.

    • I haven't been there much recently Bintbiba but that may change.
      I would love to have a shisha on the Edgware Road and catch up with you sometime. Inshallah.

    • Zionism does disproportionate.
      It's why I think it will end in blood.

    • Bintbiba

      when is the last time you had the aroma of the real pine trees in your nostrils ?
      I was in the East Bank of Jordan a while ago and smelt it and it was so powerful.


      the hizb story is so interesting. The bots thought the villagers of the south of lebanon were a pushover in 78 and 82 and they had the SLA to torture them. But something flipped in 82 when they miscalculated and Iran got involved and that was beginning of the end of Israeli impunity in Southern Lebanon

    • Israel is the regional thug so any questioning of its virility has to be met with force.
      It's classic inherited trauma.

  • Diaspora Jews are not in 'exile,' they are at home
    • "“Nobody should ever feel the need to barricade themselves on stolen property in order to feel safe or at home.” -

      Sah kalamik wa sah kalam ummik

      Avigail Arbabanel nailed the problem with the shaab al yehudi al Israeli last year

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      "Trauma also creates something that in family therapy we call ‘destructive entitlement’. It means believing that our own suffering justifies inflicting suffering on others. This has been identified as a key mechanism in what we call in family therapy, ‘intergenerational transmission of trauma’. It obviously applies in groups and societies in general. Jewish Israeli parents do not see their children as being brainwashed. Only those of us on the outside see it that way. What they see is that their children are taught what they think is the correct way to look at the world and their place in it. What they failed to see is that their worldview is not a legitimate one, but rather the sad and unwell worldview generated by trauma. If you understand any cult, you understand Israeli society. Yes, when people have trauma war is more attractive because they think it is what is going to preserve them.

      They might crave peace but it is no more than an unattainable fantasy to them and a dangerous one at that. The most important principle in life to someone with trauma is survival, and at all cost. Paradoxically of course, trauma will often lead people to a path of self-destruct but this is only another expression of the self-contradictory nature of a psychology driven by trauma. Israel is entirely motivated by the idea of the survival of the Jewish people at all cost. Since trauma also causes a serious impairment in empathy (it is now observed in brain scans!), it is possible to inflict terrible harm on others in order to survive. The limbic (mammal) logic behind it is while I am at risk for my life, empathy and compassion are a luxury I can’t afford. Of course our prefrontal cortex tells us otherwise, but guess what? Trauma causes us to have limited access to the higher functions of the PFC, which is why compassion, empathy, self-awareness etc, are impaired. It’s lethal cocktail. It’s human (not specifically Jewish) and it is extremely dangerous when entire societies (with a lot of fire power and a well organised state bureaucracy) are based on this kind of psychology as I think Israel is, the US and for example, Germany during and between the two World Wars"…

      no need to say anything else.

      Israel is a very sick society. The only sane people in it are the 48 Palestinians.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • "However, I think this is a good move. It has the potential to expose the nefarious Israeli interference in American affairs. "

      I think so too. The bots have this power trip thing but they forget they are a minority wedge whose biggest risk is getting caught in a stand off between the 2 power blocs.
      And there is no love lost between Obama and the GOP now.

      He threw out the idea of a $300bn levy on wealth to fund programs for the poor and middle class- very interesting way to play on the economic concerns of ordinary Americans to the detriment of the GOP . If Israel goes too far the bots could be hoisted up as an enemy of middle America too.

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