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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect
  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel
    • "You did not go to Summer school with" Is Code for "they are hopelessly boorish hebrew only provincial arseholes who do not take instruction from metropolitan brahmins such as myself ".

  • On Easter week, Shaath says millions of Palestinians are denied access to Jerusalem
    • Haram al Sharif plus death squad

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      Zionism's holiest of holies is sacred violence.

      Note Israel still doesn't have a building to match the elegance of what came before.

    • Interesting video from Galway in Ireland where the local university voted heavily in favour of BDS recently . The bots must have been desperate to link BDS to anti-Semitism.

      Check out the poster at 47 seconds

      Does anyone have examples of university posters used by the bots in the fight against BDS? Not even Einstein could stop it in Galway

      Meanwhile the fall of Zionism is going to be absolutely brutal when the realization comes to the hard core bots in the US.

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      "In his recent book on global anti-Semitism, “The Devil That Never Dies,” Daniel Jonah Goldhagen observed that America is the one if not only country outside of Israel where an openly Jewish life is possible, where wearing a yarmulke is not a bull’s eye and where children can be dropped off at Jewish schools with absolute assurance that they will return at the end of the day. "
      "The Jews of Europe, Latin America and even Canada have lots to worry about. Hopefully they managed to get through their seders in peace. To read, “Next Year in Jerusalem” at an American Passover table is not an urgent rallying cry but rather a proposed vacation spot. Taken even at their worst, the ADL’s numbers are still statistically, and gratifyingly, small.

      Yet, three Christians who were welcomed into the Kansas City Jewish community were luckless decoys for what were allegedly Miller’s intended targets. At such despairing moments that reveal the limitations and false promises of the Exodus, it is not unreasonable to add a plaintive fifth question to the Haggadah, one that will arguably never lose its meaning or become obsolete: When it comes to hatred, why always us? "

      Why are 2 million Jews incarcerated in the US prison system ? Why always them ?
      Why are Jews shot in Arizona by Minutemen ? Why always them ?
      Why have 20,000 Jews drowned off the coasts of the EU trying to reach Europe in the last 10 years? Why always them?

  • Fear of Arab-Americans in the public square
    • I think BDS worries bots because it has the potential to reduce the Zionist influence in public affairs. Zionists get a lot of bang for their demographic buck and this is not a long term given.
      Most of the media mouths who currently shill for Israel could easily be replaced by more up to date people.

    • Global warming/climate change

    • "Joseph Epstein wrote that the WASP establishment put up a white flag without a shot being fired."

      Sounds a bit over the top. Elites constantly change stance but hold onto their money. Big deal if they rented out some space to a few Hebrews. I imagine the same WASP families own a lot of those Hampton properties 50 years later.

      What Jews did with their new found influence was rather mediocre in the bigger picture. Israel is not going to make it.
      Late capitalism is prone to seizures as well.
      And climate change is coming up on the near side.

  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor
    • How many Palestinians were allowed to stay in Rehavia, habibi?
      The only village left intact after the Jews took over was Abu Ghosh.
      Ethnic cleansing is the spark plug of Zionism.
      There were no accusations of blood soaked matzos in Ottoman Jerusalem.

    • The DNA of the city is tolerance. Zionism is a deluded interlude.
      They have poured concrete everywhere but they still don't understand Jerusalem.

  • Alterman says BDS is helping Netanyahu
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      "It is not complicated. Any half-competent flak knows the drill. Own the bad news. Make sure colleagues and partners are prepared; go public quickly, clearly, and completely; be accountable; be available. Candour is a sign of respect.
      Yet companies delay, underplay and equivocate. Jamie Dimon called JPMorgan’s London Whale trades “a tempest in a teapot”. Oopsie. Losses grew to more than $6bn, heads rolled and a sweeping rethink of the bank’s controls ensued. During Nasdaq’s computer failure last month, boss Robert Greifeld focused on communicating with regulators and Wall Street dealers and, amazingly, made himself largely invisible to the share-owning public. Soon there were calls for his resignation.
      Such missteps are not limited to businesses. They are symptoms of the myopic optimism that characterises our species. If short-term pain can be avoided, we think, things will take care of themselves. They don’t."

      Israel can't do any fixing. All it has is guns and myopic optimism.

    • Patrimony , heartland and homeland are much loved Bot words

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      " I hope the “paper of record” will not, just yet, accept that the geographical accuracy of appellations be trumped by atavistic tribal/folkloric labels, and resort to using the resurrected biblical propaganda of a partisan faction as its benchmark of what constitutes historical scholarship.

      The romantic/sentimental use of “heartland” betrays the origins of this pernicious 19th century ideologising of abstracted ideals of manufactured nationhood, which typically is accompanied by its corrollary, militarism and dispossession of those relegated as extraneous to the imagined and idealised nation. Readers of history for its educational, rather than its selective propaganda functions, will recognise the familiar tragic pattern. "

      She looks like the real thing
      She tastes like the real thing
      My fake plastic Altneuland

    • BDS freaks out the bots because it's grassroots, impervious to money and can't be led by pseudo progressive elite opinion formers such as Beinart and Alterman or anyone who has ever written hasbara in the Guardian.

      Newspaper output can be tightly controlled with enough money but Joe Public is given to volatility if he gets a few uncomfortable facts together (which rarely happens but when it does, get out of the way .)

    • “This is why I recommend paying the Arabs to leave. ”

      Israel is a tiny enclave in the Middle East. Surrounded by goys.
      Crusader Kingdom redux.

    • Mike

      The Israeli government has spent over 100bn dollars on YESHA.
      It diverted a large chunk of almost 50 years worth of taxes to that white elephant , forgoing investment in health, education, family support and social development in Israel. The results are seen in suicides, abuse of women, underperfoming children, maths results and Israel's grim future.

      Hakadosh Baruch Hu has left the building site.

    • None of these arguments advanced by libZios have any credibility.
      Hasbara is still dead.

      Israel decided a very long time ago to bet the house on YESHA. Perhaps Adelson can come around and tell the bots what happens at Sands Casino Macau when the punter loses on black.

  • Passover for Palestine
    • The seder table is a place for questions and they don't come bigger than this :

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      "Is it possible to be a Jewish intellectual?

      How do concepts such as 'ahavat Israel’ and 'solidarity for the Jewish people’ square with the need for intellectuals to remain detached from their national or religious group to retain their moral integrity?"

    • I presume The West Bank will be in lockdown so Israeli Jews can remember their ancestors' persecution by the Pharaoh in the complete absence of any sense either of irony or hypocrisy.

    • The IDF haven't done a long Passover in Gaza since 2009 .
      And the angel of death did appear over the hospital.

  • Alleged K.C. killer: 'If Jews can have a state of their own, why can't we have a White Christian state?'
    • Rudy

      Down to 2 factors IMO

      1. Shoah
      2. Otherness of Palestinians

    • Surely given the gun situation and the power of the NRA everyone is potentially at risk.

    • Is Nurit Baytch not a comedy name? I thought it must have come from the same stable as Ms Cupid Stunt. I thought maybe Nurit had some street meaning I was unaware of.

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    • The notion of a whites only state is nuts in the 21st century. As is the notion of Greater Israel. WTF.

      I note that the SPLC classes Geller along with other hatemongers such as Klansmen and anti-Semites . Very exalted company.

      Bringing Duke in to slur Blumenthal is pathetic, Hoph.

    • Kathleen

      After RFK was assassinated, American gun ownership was in the spotlight. THAT is an intractable issue.

      I can't imagine what the families of the people killed are going through. RIP.

    • It's like the Republican echo chamber. Or maybe it is.
      No facts, just Fox.

      I'd love to see Podhoretz's hate crimes definition.
      Once again the deaths of innocent Jews are used to reinforce apartheid.

  • 'Secret' London conference seeks to link BDS to... terrorism
    • They are afraid of the public turning on them. Like the News of World that weekend.

    • "We are not powerless — far from it. We have the resources. We have the intelligence. Most important, we have unbounded determination.”

      Even moster important- they don't have the popular base.
      It's Estee Lauder lipstick on a pig.

      Maybe Ron should try advanced night repair for sagging hasbara.
      link to

      Special offer now. Get a free hasbara bag worth over $175 when you buy 5 hasbara memes. Bag includes torture, home demolitions, militarization, abuse of minors and the return of the Messiah.

  • Why are two Republican congressmen doing a walkabout on the Temple Mount?
    • The Holy of Holies today would have to be money.
      There is something deeply depressing about faith in red heifers in 2014.

  • About that special relationship...
    • Spain could make it very difficult for Scotland to join the EU pour encourager les autres .

    • "Yaalon is the prism into Bibi’s thinking and he truly believes in American decline"

      If this is for real Israel can't survive.
      Parasites can't kill their hosts . They need to keep them alive to stay alive.

    • Israel is opposed to the US position on Ukraine for the same reason that Spain opposes the breakup of the UK. It does not want a precedent to be set. Israel loves its occupation and Spain wants to hang onto Catalonia.

  • Two desperate anti-Semitism charges, from Foxman and Boteach
  • To reach the 'moveable middle' in Jewish life, you must be inside the tent
    • "I blame the Naderites for the Iraq War as much as I blame Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz"

      This is nonsense.
      The US economy tanked in 2000 with the bursting of the dotcom bubble.
      War was chosen as the only acceptable form of deficit spending acceptable to the plutocracy to get the economy moving again.
      (Today the only acceptable way forward is QE.)
      They spent something like $5tn fighting terrsm. For what ?
      That was a system issue. Nothing to do with Nader voters.

    • Krauss

      Pollution has been exported to China along with US manufacturing capacity.
      Carbon emissions in the 70s were far lower.
      Climate change is underway
      Inequality is back to Gatsby levels

      Who's going to fund the next Dem campaign? Prolly some very nice tech plutocrat . What does he get in return ?

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      "If one meets a powerful person - Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system."

    • "You remind me of progressive friends who urged me to help Ralph Nader in 2000, and not to support Al Gore. What did they accomplish by deserting the Democrats instead of working to change the party from within? Well, they helped to usher George W Bush and the neocon zealots into the White House."

      The problem is that Zionism is 95% Cheney.
      Working from within with 95% Cheney is pointless.
      It's like expecting Murmelstein in 1944 to save Jews.

  • Amid 'climate of fear' at Vassar, president comes out against 'action and protest' re Israel
    • Hoph

      you cross them and I'll nod them in

    • "They’re worried about a self-righteous student activist group who regularly cross the line between activism and intimidation, and political activism and bigotry"

      Is that Hillel ?

    • The only way to stop Zionism is to apply sufficient power to make the occupation uneconomic.
      That is the rationale of BDS.

    • I wonder who came up with the "climate of fear" meme.
      Finkelstein demolished a close relative of it in his famous Waterloo presentation.

      Zionism still tries to hide behind historic Jewish suffering and vulnerability to excuse oppression and the abuse of power in the Territories.

      Jewish weakness/success and vulnerability/impunity - they have played the game so successfully for so long by liberal slinging of the anti-Semitism slur but the war has now landed in the US and they are running out of ammunition.

      The 1967 Kerner Report about the chaos of the late 60s when black rather than Palestinian rights were in play is fascinating when read in the context of today's crisis of Zionist credibility.

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      "What white Americans have never full understood - but what the Negro can never forget- is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it and white society condones it"

      Substitute "Jewish" for "White" and "Palestinian" for "Negro".

      LBJ had 3 questions

      What happened? Why did it happen? What can be done to prevent it from happening again?

      Zionism cannot ask those questions. It is too fragile.

    • "And by the way, this is not Jim Crow. The comparison is, as usual, ridiculous. If we’re in the business of protesting “Jim Crow” policies in other countries, there are a lot of places we could start with worse problems than Israel, "

      "They suck".

      But complacency is the enemy of Zionist sustainability.
      Power thrives by adapting to changing reality and Israel can't do it.

    • "Climate of fear" can only deteriorate.
      If Jewish identity is built around apartheid
      it is not going to be nice. Apartheid is a dirty business

  • The Jewish community must not embrace Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    • It's a hard one, Sumud. Maybe open up international institutions like the World Bank to poor countries.
      Take the Sauds out.
      Israel has to be defanged as well.
      Climate change may make some things happen.

      I hate the vilification of Islam while certain people have never been better off.

    • I think if Hindus in India had US level incomes and women were free agents and had their own money they'd be far less likely to marry whoever their parents decided. Caste wouldn't be long falling apart.

      Higher income Hindus benefit from caste - they have status they wouldn't have in the OECD . They get jobs they wouldn't get on merit.

      If you ever go to Bombay the Taj Hotel is fascinating. It's open to anyone - there are no restrictions on entry- but for most people in the city it impossible to think about walking though those doors.

      India is a different world- it's what the late Middle Ages might have looked like in terms of social organization, I think.

      The Puthirai Vannars live pre Middle Ages

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      Don’t look at us, we are cursed

      "Meet the Puthirai Vannars, the outcastes of Tamil Nadu. A community that has been suffering in silence for ages, in perpetual bondage to the dalits, and living in isolation on the fringes of dalit colonies

      By PC Vinoj Kumar

      Invisibles: exiled as manual scavengers, surviving on left-over food

      Condemned and mute, for centuries they have been washing the clothes of dalits, giving them haircuts, slaughtering dead cattle, and doing other menial sub-human jobs

      Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J. Jayalalithaa should read this. This is bound to infuriate her if she really meant what she said a few years ago while seeking votes in Andipatti, that she believes in only one caste: the human caste. It is bad enough that dalits cannot become presidents in reserved panchayats in Tamil Nadu. But shamefully, things are worse for another invisible community living in the state, a faceless, diminished people who are not even a ‘mere vote bank’ for political parties. A people she may not even know — that they actually exist!

      This is something that is hard to believe. A sin that has been covered up for much too long. Unlike the oppressive patterns prevalent in the nation’s caste society, here the sinned are the sinners! This is the tale of a people who are ‘untouchables’ even for the ‘historical’ untouchables. A shocking revelation of a people twice discriminated and daily trampled over.

      Meet the Puthirai Vannars, the dhobis for the dalits of Tamil Nadu. A community that’s been suffering in silence for ages, in perpetual bondage to the dalits, and living in isolation as ‘outcastes’ on the fringes of dalit colonies. Denied human rights and self-respect, there is no political leader or party or democratic institution to speak up for them in this big democracy that is India.

      Condemned and mute, for centuries, they have been washing the clothes of the dalits, giving them haircuts, slaughtering dead cattle, and doing other menial jobs. To this day, they wash the bloodstained clothes of dalit women in labour, and the clothes of dalit girls who attain puberty. Worse, till a few decades ago, they were shunned as ‘unseeables’. It was a curse to even ‘look’ at them. In those days, the Vannars had to complete their work in the night and stay out of sight of the other castes in the daytime.

      If they ventured out during the day, they had to tie a coconut leaf to their body, which they pulled along wherever they went. The frond swept the ground and wiped out their footmarks. They could not even spit on the ground as the others did so routinely. Instead, they had to spit into a halved coconut shell, which hung from their necks. “This horrible practice had been in vogue for hundreds of years. It was the Justice Party that enacted a law abolishing it in 1932. Once declared illegal, the practice slowly faded out,” says TM Prakash, a social activist working among Puthirai Vannars in the dalit-dominated Tiruvannamalai district. Not much headway has been made after that landmark social reform.

      Today, an estimated two million people from this community are living in the state. “Though we are found in most districts, about 50 percent of the population lives in Virudhunagar, Villupuram and Tiruvannamalai districts. Our people are slaves of the dalits — to the Parayars in northern districts, to the Pallars in southern districts, and to the Arunthathiyars in western districts,” says SB Udhaya Kumar of Ramnad, an upcoming leader from the community.

      There is of course the daily allowance — again in kind. It is the traditional practice of Puthirai Vannars to go around the dalit homes, every morning and evening, begging for food. Rosamma from Cuddalore says, “We cry out standing outside the dalit houses, ‘amma, soru podunga amma’ (amma, please give some food.) They give us leftover food which we collect in a vessel.” For many, it’s a daily khichdi meal — of leftover food from dalit houses. Though in some villages this shameful practice has finally ended, in many others the tradition still continues. "

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      "If given a choice, most Puthirai Vannar families would like to put an end to the practice of begging for food. They long for the day when they can cook at home, for it would give them a sense of self-dignity. But dalits don’t allow them to cook. The reason is not far to seek. When the Vannars beg for food, it destroys their self-worth. The tradition perpetuates the slave mentality, pre-empts and crushes a rebellious spirit.

      “It’s worse than the slavery that existed in the West,” says Professor A. Sivasubramanian, currently doing research on the community. “People bought the slaves there. To a certain extent, they were looked after well because the owners had to suffer losses if they fell sick or died. But the Vannars have no such advantages. Dalits treat them just as slaves but refuse to take their responsibility in terms of welfare.”

      In most ways, this social oppression is the mirror image of how dalits are treated by the upper castes all over India. Till date, in many villages, the Vannars cannot sit in front of a dalit. They are not allowed to take water from their street taps. “When there is a death in a dalit house, we have to perform special duties. We prepare the dead body and make the padai (burial cast). As people walk to the crematorium, we are required to spread sarees on the ground before them to walk on it. After the rituals are completed, we sit down wearing a white dhoti and the mourners drop coins on it,” says Santhappan of Velankani Nagar in Tiruvannamalai district.

      According to another tradition, the Vannars are required to carry the ‘theepantham’ (a flaming torch) during wedding processions. There is fire in their hand, and darkness within.

      Those defying this ancient heirarchy are repressed ruthlessly. There have been instances when Vannars in some villages have refused to beg for food. But they have either been forced to fall in line or driven out of the village. Rosamma of Elanthapet village in Cuddalore district decided to stop this daily house-to-house begging for food, and instead started cooking food at home. But she was forced to go back after direct threats from dalits. “They forced me to eat the leftover food,” she says.

      About two years ago, in Athanur in Villupuram district, a man was forced to eat leftover food by a dalit family. When he refused to eat, they chased him out of the village. The diktat is clear. If you are born a Vannar, you are destined for a predetermined way of life. Live as your ancestors did. Have no dreams or aspirations. Die everyday."

      Judaism should be better than caste. Honestly.

    • FGM is mostly a Nile Valley thing

      It's also prevalent in Kurdistan

    • Islamophobia

      Nothing but the same old story

    • "The problem is people, not religion."

      I think it's the system, Sumud

      “an inherent feature of the international system of law is that it claims a single version of the good life as universally preferable and relies on different mechanisms of force to pursue the issue. There are huge differences in culture, politics and economic power. Those differences are not being leveled as the international system evolves but rather are features of the system itself.” Immanuel Wallerstein

      Most Muslims have zero power in the international system.
      The vast majority are decent people who try to live their lives in difficult circumstances. We should stand with them and sideline the hatemongers.

    • "And let’s assume we agree that the caste system in general and untouchability in particular are oppressive and harmful"

      Caste is a south Asian thing. It is self defeating, in my opinion, because the higher castes have such a limited pick of members and there will always be people in the lower castes with more talent than the average higher caste member.

      If you do think caste is dreadful how do you change it ? I used to work with a Brahmin lady. She worked long hours and would go home through 2 hours of city traffic in Bombay to cook for her family because as a Brahmin she wouldn't eat anything that had been prepared by someone from a lower caste.

      Most parents want their daughters to marry within caste.

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      The only way to get rid of caste would be to raise income levels, I imagine, but that is never going to happen.

    • It seems to be a fringe thing with little traction, very much at home with other hate based groups such as the Klan and people like David Irving.

      4 of
      Hirsi Ali's fellow travelers on this list, among them Geller
      link to

    • link to

      "Pamela Geller has been called “the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead” by the Southern Poverty Law Center, link to Her admirers include Dutch MP Geert Wilders (“You are a hero”), Steven Goldberg, National Vice Chair of Zionists of America (“An American and Jewish national treasure”), and the Nassau County (N.Y.) Federation of Republican Women (they gave her the Guardian of Freedom Award in May 2013). Perhaps emblematic of what makes Geller tick is what she told the New York Times in October 2010: this quote from The New York Times: “If you don't lay down and die for Islamic supremacism, then you're a racist anti-Muslim Islamophobic bigot. That's what we're really talking about."
      Last year, Etzion Neuer, director of community service and policy for the ADL’s New York region, link to said that Geller is fuelling "anti-Islamic bigotry” by demonizing an entire religion. On top of that, despite the fact that Geller sees herself as "a pro-Israel advocate, “Geller doesn’t do us any favors. She muddies the waters because she hands the platform to the extremists in our midst. Instead of thoughtful, fact-based dialogue on the issues, we get incendiary rhetoric and xenophobia.”

      Ms. Geller, Boston has no use for anti-Muslim hate-mongering - for smearing our Muslim friends and neighbors with outrageous, unfounded stereotyping - at any time, and particularly as we approach the anniversary of the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing tragedy. Nor are either Israel’s interests or the fragile cause of Israeli-Palestinian peace served by your provocations. Our trains, buses, and stations – indeed, Western civilization -will fare quite well without the benefit of your “savage” posters.

      Thanks for trying to save us from ourselves, but, please, leave Boston alone. "

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      "A New York Times opinion piece that suggested Israel may be drifting towards theocracy was strongly refuted by an article in Tablet online magazine on Saturday."

    • Islamophobia is not "good for the Jews".
      Definitely not.
      Zionism isn't worth it.

      Judaism should be reaching out to Islam for the post Zionist future.

  • Dershowitz plays McCarthy, and John Dingell is labeled 'anti-Israel'
    • @Libra
      It is sad when the vast majority of respectable Jewish orgs bet the house on apartheid. There is resilience in diversity. Monoculture is ultra vulnerable. That must be somewhere in the Torah. Or the Kashrut laws.

    • J Street is fairly crap anyway so who cares ?

  • For Miliband, the road to 10 Downing Street runs through Jerusalem and Sderot
    • Krauss, on Ralph Miliband, the FT reported that

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      "When Mr Miliband demanded an apology for the Mail’s smear on his father, Mr Dacre refused to back down. Instead, he published a defiant editorial insisting that Ralph Miliband’s world view was “evil""

      This is the article

      link to

      The Mail is virulently right wing.
      Nigel Lawson was a Jewish chancellor and they loved him. Come on.
      Billy Bragg isn't Jewish and they never liked him either.

    • The Daily Mail was outrageous. Called Ralph Miliband evil. Because he was a Marxist, not a Jew. All about votes for the Tories.
      I don't think what Livingstone said was antisemitic. Lots of jews wouldn't vote for him because he didn't have a program that was aimed at wealthy people.

    • The bots have this pathological need to be told by outsiders that they are loved

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      They are simultaneously willfully cruel and desperately insecure.
      Everyone gets brought to YadVashem (which should really be in Poland or Belarus)
      And the bromides.
      But Miliband can't do the full monty. He can't say he supports Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah - the full perfect Israel.
      Neither can Cameron.

      "Life isn't simple for Scottish Zionists, either. "We were always very strong Zionist left-wingers here," says Mervyn Lovat, a lecturer at Glasgow Business School, "but it's getting more and more difficult to be supportive of Israel, especially since two of my sons moved there. I just can't understand why they [Israel] do those things." "

    • I read the Guardian article. I thought Miliband dealt with it quite deftly. Lots of nuance. Reflecting the state of thinking about Israel in the UK. Far less rabid than in the US.
      There are very few votes for Zionism in dear old Blighty these days.

  • 'Not a single person in this room would accept living as Palestinians do, generation after generation'
    • We have a live one.

      "There was never a bid to forge an Arab “Palestinian” identity or country prior to Israel’s establishment"

      There was no gay bear identity pre 1987 either
      What was your point ?

      link to

    • Yonah thinks that a Palestinian majority would be a shocker. But there already is a Palestinian majority in Greater Israel hashlemah.

      Israel basically no longer exists. Jews wouldn't countenance minority status sez Yonah. They already have it- it's just the IDF that makes their larger cut of power possible.

    • What does the Torah say about unintended consequences ?

      Islamic fundamentalism in Gaza is a response to Israeli policy.
      So Israeli fears about the results of Israeli policy in Gaza are laughable.

      The Middle East was the wrong choice of Altneuland.

    • Zionism is not racist. It's Jewish destiny.
      Jewish destiny is racist.

    • @ Yonah

      Oscar Wilde said about Charles Dickens’ The Old Curiosity Shop: “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell without laughing.”

      And one must have a heart of stone to read of Israel's fears of Islamic fundamentalism without laughing.

      Israel pauperised Gaza.

      What does Hatorah have to say about unintended consequences ?

    • Shmuley and Smartarse will never move to Israel. Too poor, too provincial, too far away, too complicated. In a way they epitomise the failure of Zionism.

    • Israel is a poor example of the quality of jewish self rule.$ 100 bn on YESHA looks really naive. Maybe it will all work out and the turd can be polished and sold at Sotheby's.
      The whole region has been damaged by the imposition of Israel on the Levant.
      Arabs are pure orientalism. Jewish militarism has been a disaster.
      Jews can't live as a minority- they already do. The IDF makes it work and it is a very popular arrangement. The 1SS would not involve any border changes....

    • Beinart must surely also be afraid of the collapse of the Zionist narrative and , by extension, Zionist identity.
      Much easier to pretend nothing is wrong and sing about the 2SS.

      When the dam breaks there are going to be a lot of very awkward questions.
      Zionism was never designed for what is coming.

  • Amira Hass predicts Israel's 'colonial project' will eventually fail--but at what cost?
    • This is a great interview

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      "Hass sees herself as a failure, when asked about a 2009 award for lifetime achievement:
      AMIRA HASS: Yeah, I said it was lifetime failure.
      AMY GOODMAN: Why?
      AMIRA HASS: Well, writing for 20 years, and you realize that it doesn’t—these words don’t change and not—and the situation is only worse. And if I wanted to appeal to Israelis and to tell them—to be kind of a messenger and give them the facts, you know, not—it’s only lately that I started with op-eds—or not lately, but my main task is to give facts. And then you realize that people do not want to read. And I always say the problem in Israel is not institutionalized censorship. We don’t have censorship, or to a great—maybe some military, but not that serious. We can write whatever we want, and we have—we can exercise this right of information. But the people don’t have the duty to know. And that’s maybe the failure."

      she also said

      "I think the main—it’s the main, you could say, achievement of the Oslo process, that the benefits of the occupation have been much—have been really entrenched and reached larger segments of the Israeli society..."

      She is SUCH a Mensch. Amazing woman.

      She was wrong about lifetime failure however....

    • Sumud

      I still find it strange that there are so few dissidents. Maybe Stephen Shenfield is right and they have all emigrated. But even that would not stop thinking children being born and gradually questioning their education. 5.5 million people- surely at least 10% are thinking.

      There must be kids in school now who look at the indoctrination thing with an arched eyebrow and ask questions about what went on pre 48.

      Zionism emphasises punishment for those who refuse to toe the line - Zochrot gets a lot of crap, Ezra Nawi was persecuted, that lady who had a relationship with the Tanzim walla in Jenin was also hounded etc- but I would still expect more questioning.

      The total victory of right wing Zionism is its greatest weakness, IMO.

    • "I think the power of Zionist ideology lies in its skill and ruthlessness in manipulating emotions."

      Very well put

      This is a very interesting book about the collapse of a martial ideology and what happens to the memes afterwards

      link to

      Who would you pick to run the space if Israel had to be "dezionified" ? How did they find the people to run Germany in 1946 ?

      I suppose they'd need to have people who understood power and they'd distinguish between the hopelessly rabid and those who have expressed sufficient remorse....

      How would Yossi Israeli take it ?

    • It is such a tight ideology. Very few apostates.
      Efficiency is the quickest road to hell - JH Kunstler.
      There is no backup plan for when Zionism collapses. Entropy is such a bitch.

      Japanese militarism in the 30s and 40s was also nuts but you still had intellectuals who questioned it. Why are there so few mavericks* when it comes to Israel?

      If you had to pick a non Zionist government in a post Zionism vacuum situation who would they have other than the Palestinian politicians from Balad etc.?

      *Maverick meaning "thinks of others not of the tribe"

    • Something I never understood about Hass and Finkelstein. How come they inherited from their parents a burning sense of justice and so few Israeli Jews did ?
      Was the indoctrination so powerful that it overwrote all parental input on this aspect of life ?

    • They depend on trade with and respect from the outside world.
      Israel would be very different if ben gurion airport was shut. It is THE israeli link with the world since all of its land borders are with countries it has nothing to do with. Such a successful Middle East colony.

    • A great book, written before Israel went into overdrive pauperising Gaza.

    • Hass seems to be more optimistic than usual. She said a while ago that her life's work was a waste.
      It must be so hard to plough such a lonely furrow in a land of morons.

    • "Until the Palestinians decide to bite the bullet and deprive themselves of Israeli goods and products, nothing serious is going to happen. "

      The political economy of the occupation means Palestinian produces are either more expensive or non existent, Walid. Israel has built this system.
      Change is going to come from outside.They have total control over the Zionist space but are so weak outside it.
      Israelis are going to be so ashamed to travel outside.
      Sports boycotts, trade boycotts.

      Every time I hear Hebrew in airports I think I should ask the speakers what they thing of ha occupation.

  • Simon Schama's Israel whitewash
  • 6 DC heavyweights tell Kerry, Netanyahu in West Bank is like Putin in Crimea
    • Crimea is a sign of the decline of American power. Brzezinski keeps hammering this point- the Yanks have lost status BECAUSE OF IRAQ and Israel doesn't get it.
      Israel can't play realpolitik anyway- it has no resources and it is utterly dependent on the bots in DC pulling strings.

  • 'There's a lot of anti-Semitism out there' -- Johansson reviews her role as 'new face of apartheid'
    • "She drinks the Kool-aid because she is completely ignorant"

      Twitter has been brutal in terms of the exposure of the ignorance of a lot of celebrities. Showbiz doesn't need much cerebral power. Tits and ass go a lot further.

    • Too little, too late. Some fresh hasbara is what's required. Some creative spin on systematic cruelty.

    • "that a lot of modern anti-Semitism is the result of illegal Israeli activities in the occupied territories and Gaza"

      Justice is not antisemitic.
      That criticism of Zionism = anti-Semitism canard has been well and truly exhausted.
      People are sick and tired of Israel hiding behind the past suffering of Jews.

  • 'In every generation they rise up against us' -- Passover and the Jewish imagination
    • I thought it might have more to do with Middle East hospitality as well as the Muslim insistence on charity.

    • Yonah

      Judaism will get over Zionism.
      It can't end in apartheid.

    • "This web site really is not friendly territory to those who consider Judaism a good thing "

      Au contraire

      Judaism has so much potential post Zionism .
      The US gets by OK post Cheney !

    • “Let all who are hungry, come and eat; let all who are needy come and celebrate Passover.”

      Is that not more a Middle East thing? In Cairo, rich Muslims pay for Iftar feasts in the street during Ramadan and everyone is welcome to dig in.

    • And Pharaoh owns casinos in Macau and is still a cruel bastard.

    • Today's Angel of Death flies an F16 and identifies his victims by their pass issued by the Israeli government.

  • State Dep't tries to clean up Kerry's 'Poof'
    • Inanna

      "It also says that the relationship is not unbreakable, since to continually assert that is a sign of its breakability."

      With all this nonsense about unbreakable bonds, Zionism drives real deep into love song territory and overshoots out the other side into Whine County. Poor Israel.

  • New book explores intersection of Islamophobia and support for Israel
    • Islamophobia, the slow strangling of international law and the reinterpretation of the Protocols in the form of Adelson - Zionism is one ugly mother.

  • Australia opposed Palestinian UN bid because foreign policy was 'subcontracted to Jewish donors' -- report
    • Krauss
      Can you recommend a book where I can read a historic chronology of the influence of zionist money on US foreign policy in the near east? Something that gives the background to the process by which American politicians such as de Blasio are broken in the manner of horses to follow instructions , the reasons behind all those UN vetoes, the media stenography, the farce of 242, the complicity in the expansion of the YESHA project, the role of Diaspora elites in strangling debate, the hounding of dissenters, the use of antisemitism to silence people, the abuse of the memory of those murdered in the Holocaust and the reasons why we are at this particular juncture now.

    • "This is also the importance of John Judis’s book on Truman. He reports similar division inside Truman’s braintrust as there was in Gillard’s cabinet –overwhelming majorities against Partition."

      Truman was over half a century ago.
      Nobody dares write about Jewish money in DC today.

  • Christie will get another crack at not saying 'occupied territories' at NY Adelson fete
    • Christie looks like damaged goods after that bridge fiasco.
      The republicans do not appear to be in good shape for 2016.

    • "the leading organization bringing universal Jewish values to the media and mainstream culture"

      thuggery, intimidation, anti intellectualism, injustice and slavery to money are by no means Jewish and certainly not universal values

  • 'Poof' -- Kerry blames Israel for breakdown of talks (Updated)
    • I used to meet some of them at the Jerusalem cinematheque. Very interested in film.

    • link to

      "Itai Ziv suffers 29 percent disability after shrapnel embedded in his back during Operation Pillar of Defense, but State refuses to give him disability."

    • "Israel countered on Wednesday that it was the Palestinians who had “violated their fundamental commitments” by applying last week to join 15 international conventions and treaties."

      Building more homes for Jews in the territories is not unilateral. Has happened so many times . Thought they could do it indefinitely.
      It's great to see Israel getting its comeuppance.

    • link to

      "U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s statements before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee should not have surprised anyone. They simply expressed the frustration that many senior American officials have been voicing in private conversations over the past week about Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The storm was unleashed because Kerry said out loud what he was thinking.

      Kerry was not speaking Tuesday to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee only as secretary of state, but as a state's witness. He provided a look inside the negotiating rooms at the sequence of events that led to the serious crisis in the peace talks. Kerry’s remarks contradicted the spin coming out over the past few days from the prime minister’s bureau and inflated by the various cabinet ministers.

      The secretary of state adopted the Palestinian version of events and reinforced it. He presented Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ signature on applications to join 15 international conventions as a response to Israeli violation of commitments and not as a step initiated to sabotage the talks. According to Kerry, the Palestinian move was negative and damaging, but Israel’s moves were even worse"

      Brzezinski was interviewed in the NZZ on Sunday. The Dems understand that the world is no longer unipolar. The bots do not.

      This is also noteworthy

      "The focus Kerry places on the settlements as one of the reasons for the meltdown of the talks will be clearly understood in the European Union’s institutions in Brussels and in the various foreign ministries on the Continent. That is precisely what Jerusalem is afraid of. The Europeans have warned Israel a number of times over the past few months that if the talks broke down over construction in the settlements there would be consequences in the form of additional European sanctions. The marking of products from the settlements in European supermarkets is a step waiting on the shelf for implementation. "

    • Bennett is a grade A moron

      link to
      "Bennett to Netanyahu: Israel must annex settlement blocs in response to Palestinian move
      Economy Minister says annexation, coming in response to PA's request to join 15 UN bodies, will be similar to the imposition of sovereignty on Jerusalem and the Golan Heights by previous governments."

    • MHughes

      right wing in the Israeli context means Jewish nationalist, anti rational, semi messianic , 100% of the land, Hevron, f$ck the goys

      Left wing in Israel means right wing everywhere else.

    • Israel dropping the peace process is as strategically coherent as Hefner abandoning his nightly Viagra. The goys need to see the process mentioned on their media in order to believe Israel is interested in peace. Those who have not seen but yet believe are restricted to Zionism.

    • Poof means gay in England. Is Kerry's 'poof' anything to do with the gay pride apartheid and hasbara parade ?

    • Strenger spells it out

      link to

      "In the last months I heard from reliable sources that Netanyahu had reali
      zed that Israel’s future depends on ending the occupation. I have no reason to believe that they misled me. It rather seems that Netanyahu, in the end, cannot change his basic character: His right-wing instincts seem to be stronger than his rational judgment, and he has now ordered ending any contact with the Palestinian Authority.
      It therefore appears that you, Israel’s right-wingers, are winning. In the end Danon, Elkin and Bennett have succeeded in drawing Netanyahu back into his habitual state of mind. You may therefore rejoice, thinking that you have won and what you call the decadent Tel Avivi liberals are losing for good.
      You are not realizing that your victory is Pyrrhic and shortsighted.
      In the long run the price for your seeming triumph is no less than Israel’s future. And the price will not be limited to us liberals: All Israelis and the Jewish People as a whole will bear the consequences of your disastrous thoughtlessness."

      Beautiful thoughtlessness

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