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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed. - "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso And what about this from David Shulman : "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” BZU graduate. Big fan of hummus bil lahme and old style Jewish dissent. I believe that Judaism can do way better than Zionism, which is a dead end.

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  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • "Ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have"-James Baldwin.

    • This idea says Israel does not understand the Palestinians. Never did.
      The very act of living in Palestine is resistance. The land is life.
      Balata refugee camp is better than the EU. You are there with your people, your language, the scent of Palestine. And the millions who would swap their place to live in Balata refugee camp, just to be there.

      There she is, over that fence

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      And you would give that up for 50K ? And never hear cheef halich again ?
      Are you nuts ?

    • "Liars and massacrists"

      I can't believe how well Killer Mike's words about Ferguson fit to Israel

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      "But I can promise you today, if I die when I walk off this stage tomorrow, I’ll let you know this: it is not about race, it is not a class, it’s not about colour, it’s about what they killed him for. It’s about poverty, it’s about greed, and it’s about a war machine. It’s about a war machine that uses you. So as I go tomorrow, I might go the day after, the one thing I want you to know is that it’s us against the motherfucking machine!""

      and J-live

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      The radio is quid pro quo
      The videos they show
      All dealing with gangstas pimps and hos (or IDF, Bar Refaeli and Shoah)
      I’m not even trying to turn up my nose
      But I know we got so much more to offer on the low
      They run you like a remote control

    • the real Israel is real ugly

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      Israel to urge court: Drop Palestinian farmers' complaint against settler attacks
      Israeli prosecutors will explain to the High Court of Justice on Monday why it's hard to protect two elderly people from attacks by young Jews.

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      "As the World Bank stated specifically in a report published in March, since 1994, and parallel to the Oslo process, there has been a consistent decline in the Palestinian productive sector and its ability to export, due to Israel's policy of imposing restrictions. "

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      Hassan Usruf, an Arab-Israeli man in his 40s who works as a street cleaner for the Tel Aviv Municipality, claimed he was attacked early Sunday morning on the city's seaside promenade by a group of more than 20 Jewish youngsters

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      "Arafat Jaradat, 30, died while under interrogation by the Shin Bet security service. Every week dozens if not hundreds of Palestinians start down the road he began on February 18.
      Dozens of Israelis whose names are unknown are on a parallel track: the soldiers who make the arrest in the dead of night, the military doctor who examines the new detainee, Shin Bet interrogators in their changing shifts; Israel Prison Service guards, workers at the prison clinic, and the judge who extends the remand.
      True, thousands of others take this road or sometimes a longer and harder one – and stay alive. This is probably what the Shin Bet and the prison service will say in their defense. But from the Palestinian perspective, every stop on the road of detention and interrogation involves enormous physical and psychological pain that the army, the police, the Shin Bet and the prison service inflict intentionally.
      This goes well beyond the suffering that should be caused by taking away a person’s liberty and issuing an indictment. For years, Palestinian detainees and prisoners have complained about sleep deprivation, painful and prolonged handcuffing, humiliation, beatings and medical neglect. By international standards, this is torture.
      Jaradat was not a ticking bomb. He was arrested on suspicion of throwing stones and an incendiary device at Israeli targets. After three days of interrogation the police asked the court (in the name of the Shin Bet) to extend his remand for another 15 days for questioning. The remand hearing took place on Thursday, February 21, at the Shin Bet’s Kishon interrogation facility, in front of a military judge, Maj. David Kadosh. The judge ordered the remand for 12 days.
      Unclear confession
      Kamil Sabbagh, an attorney for the Palestinian Authority’s Prisoner Affairs Ministry, asked the police investigator at the hearing whether there were other suspicions against his client; he was told there were not. He asked whether Jaradat had confessed, and the police investigator answered: “partially.” Sabbagh concluded that Jaradat had confessed to throwing stones.
      Experience shows that the additional days of interrogation – many, considering the minor nature of the offenses – were not intended merely to extract more confessions, but to get Jaradat to implicate others or to gather personal information, even of an embarrassing nature, to use in the future. From reports by detainees to their attorneys, it's clear that sleep deprivation combined with painful and prolonged handcuffing is very common. As we learn at military court and elsewhere, people confess to things they haven't done or implicate others falsely, only to be allowed to sleep. "

      It's a long way from parading in Manhattan

    • From

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      Chief Military Rabbi Brig. Gen. Rafi Peretz recently said the Temple Mount has no religious significance to Muslims and questioned their affiliation to the site.

      “Jerusalem isn’t mentioned in the Koran even once. Not even in a hint. The Arabs are imagining it,” Peretz said at a lecture at the Otzem Pre-Military Torah Academy in Moshav Naveh earlier this month. The lesson was posted on the Kipa website.

      Talking about the recent events on the Temple Mount and the Arab protests that the site was being taken over by Jews, Peretz said “the only mosque any holiness is attributed to is Al-Aqsa. The rest of the Temple Mount has no religious significance.”

      “What is the Al-Aqsa Mosque?” Peretz asked. “It says in the Koran ‘make me a mosque on the edge.’ Al-Aqsa is on the edge. The edge of what? Mecca? The edge of the Arabian Peninsula. When they bow, they bow to Mecca but their backside is turned to the Temple Mount, because the edge for them is the edge of the Arabian Peninsula. So what are they doing on the Temple Mount?

      “Ninety percent of the Arabs don’t know a thing about the Koran. I tell you with full authority. We know better than many of them,” he said.

    • It really is a fantastic song. Not that many from 20 years ago have that.

    • Bought a ticket for a runaway train
      Like a madman laughin' at the rain
      Little out of touch, little insane
      Just easier than dealing with Holocaust pain

      Runaway train never comin' back
      Wrong way on a one way track
      Seems like Israel should be getting somewhere
      Somehow it's neither here nor there

    • Lieberman has no idea how this is going to play out in Galut.
      "We are Jews, we can do what we like" goes down like a lead balloon in civilized countries.

    • Lieberman is a clown. He isn't even a proerr Jew. He doesn't understand the Hebrew Bible.

      Someone who does is Giles Fraser

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      "Of all people, Jews know what it is to live in somebody else’s country, without rights, subject to their laws, subject to their prejudices. The Hebrew Bible itself is a record of the experience and psychological consequences of exile – of being the forced labour of Pharaoh’s megalomaniacal building programmes, of weeping by the rivers of Babylon. And when the story of the Bible finishes and the Jerusalem temple is destroyed by the Romans, a new period of extended exile begins, shaping the collective memory with centuries of religious persecution, collective punishments and eventually mass murder.

      It is not difficult to see why security is extra precious for the Jewish people and why the very idea of a Jewish homeland has a meaning and significance far in excess of that envisioned by the modern democratic nation state.

      But, throughout the Bible at least, this experience of being strangers in strange lands has another consequence: it amplifies the empathy that the writers of the Hebrew scriptures have for migrants and minorities. Thus, for instance, Deuteronomy 10:19 goes as follows: “And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.” Its not a one-off passage. Again and again precisely this formula of expression is used to encourage identification with people who find themselves living in someone else’s country and culture. And this sense of solidarity is such that the Bible insists that both Jews and non-Jews are to be subject to the same laws, the latter having the same legal protections as the former. The Book of Numbers has it thus: “The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord. The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.”

      This passage clearly demonstrates that the latest move by the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, is a direct contradiction of the Hebrew Bible, both in word and in spirit. For the new nationality bill that he and others are currently fighting to get through the Knesset is designed to deny national rights to non-Jewish Israeli citizens. In its supporters’ minds it is supposed to be all about expressing the Jewish nature of Israel, that this is a state whose lifeblood is Judaism. And as its detractors have pointed out, this sets Israel’s Jewish character above its democratic character, defying the founding principles of Israel as expressed in the declaration of independence in 1948. This is bad enough, but what makes the move utterly absurd is that it flies in the face of the very religion that it is designed to protect ."

  • Thanksgiving: The perfect holiday to ruin with politics
    • It also implies that if the Palestinians have the power they can do it. And that is not "good for the Jews".

    • you can still be friends, Giles.

      Just throw word grenades like "Gaza" into the conversation
      and watch the reaction. Priceless

    • Walid

      Bernard Sumner of the band New Order was interviewed recently

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      "Yeah. Punk rewrote the rules, but the big change for me was watching spaghetti western films. Before that, we’d had all these corny John Wayne films where the Indians were bad and the cowboys were good. Suddenly you had these weird, spectacularly shot Italian western films where everyone was bad. No one was the good guy. They all had these emotionally stirring Ennio Morricone soundtracks and that flicked a switch in me."

      This is also very interesting

    • Just

      I was reading about Ron Kennedy of Gatlinburg TN, a native artist who was told by one of his teachers when he tried to counter the official narrative about the treatment of the native people - "If it's not in the history books, it's not true" .

    • It's the economy. stupid Imhofe

      Climate change made its first appearance before Wall St in Quarter 1 2014, when US GDP dipped by an annualized 3% due to one of the country’s worst winters on record. It was the first dip since Q1 2011 and was not related to the usual lags to the domestic economy.

    • With drought in California, the Olglala aquifer slowly running down, fertiliser runoff messing up the Gulf of Mexico and the Arctic Vortex to come this winter the sense of thanksgiving seems to have been wasted very quickly since the late 1600s. It was a fine prize but it's looking very beaten now.

  • #JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine
    • "How many Jews are there who try to beat up armed police officers? -"

      in the hilltop youth ?
      Far too many.

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    • "We will not bend to your fear, we will not accept your pain, we are not going to keep playing that race card, because we know you don’t value my skin,”

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      Killer Mike but he could have been talking to Israeli Jews about their "motherfucking" attitude to Palestinians

      BTW I never knew he worked with EL-P

      whose song deep space 9mm encapsulates the state Israel is in today regarding its relationship with the outside world.

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      Try to buy the farm in Palestine but the land's not yours...
      Why do things we find beautiful (like the innocence of Palestinian children) undermine Zionist power

    • Well said, American. It's not about this case. It's about the system.

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      But now it's all about NYPD caps
      And Pentagon bumper stickers
      But yo, you still a nigga
      It ain't right them cops and them firemen died
      The shit is real tragic, but it damn sure ain't magic
      It won't make the brutality disappear
      It won't pull equality from behind your ear
      It won't make a difference in a two-party country
      If the president cheats, to win another four years
      Now don't get me wrong, there's no place I'd rather be
      The grass ain't greener on the other genocide
      But tell Huey Freeman don't forget to cut the lawn
      And uproot the weeds
      Cuz I'm not satisfied

    • Why are Zionist Jews apparently so pro the death penalty for small time crime?
      Does this apply to white collar Wall St crime too, Jackdaw ? Or is it just for colored people ?

    • Why are all the Zionists on the side of the police? I thought Jews were the driving force behind civil rights. Would they all be for Bull Connor today ?

    • Yes, Walid

    • I didn't realize that after the bots assassinated Yahya Ayyash 60 Israelis died in suicide bombings.

      God works in mysterious ways and sorely tests her people.

    • Think of all the people the bots have murdered, Walid, down the years. Lord Moyne, Egyptian prisoners, The MunichPalestinians hunted down individually, Ghassan Kanafani , Abu Jihad, Sheikh Yassin, etc etc but it never made Zionism sustainable.

      It's as if Ben Gurion made a deal with Satan. Sell us your soul and you can practice all of the dark arts. And he did. And Satan turned out to be just another chancer . And Zionism is still f$cked.

      That 2000 response of Edward Said- and what about the Jews in Israel? "I don't know, I really don't know. "

    • "As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process. "-

      As a Jew I'd be ashamed to be associated with Israel.

    • Why couldn't they have tasered or shot him in the legs ?
      Why did he have to die ?

      How does Israel deal with Jews who act up? Does it shoot them in the head too? I don't think so

  • Israeli occupation stoking 'holy war' in Jerusalem
    • Dabakr

      Collective punishment of the Palestinian people versus 4 grieving Jewish families- it';s the old Jewish fingernail argument and is deserving of contempt.

      Does it honestly matter that someone murdered is Jewish ?
      Are we supposed to go OMG WTF just because they used to sit around the seder table every so often ?

    • One of the boasts that Israel often made after the wall went up was that there was no trouble in Occupied Jerusalem. Their divide and conquer policy of cantonment - there are so many islands of Palestinians now- gave them that assurance. and they were so sure that the carrots of Jerusalem residence and social benefits would keep trouble to a minimum.

      And now they have no idea what to do. Their undivided city- the tram stops in Beit Hanina and Shuafat are shut.

      They can't send in the DF- as they would in the west Bank- because it would hurt tourism. Jerusalem is already a poor city. The output per Haredi is very low, you know.

      Reality vs the bot memes- reality wins every time

  • When Hagee vilifies Obama as 'anti-Semitic,' Cruz and Dershowitz don't walk out
    • J Live wrote this about the African American community but he could just as easily sing it about the poor lost chosen people with their gimp leaders

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      They say they don’t make it like that any more
      They ain’t supposed to
      Time brings change and that’s not what I’m opposed to
      Recognise what the elders had to go through
      So that you wouldn’t have to
      Ask and they show you
      That’s how you build a nation.. civilisation
      We do it throught the music if you don’t use it you lose it
      You show the people clear water how can they refuse it
      But if they never knew it existed they couldn’t choose it

    • Apparently Obamacare is run by the Palestinians who use Obama as a front. That's the catalyst for such an august gathering of fruitcakes and why Hagee calls Obama an anti-Semite.

  • Nationalism vs imagination -- Beinart and Vilkomerson square off over two-state solution
    • There is something deeply absurd about Zionism. This neediness mixed with the cruelty.
      Please understand us.

      It would be more credible if they weren't so needy. If they just went ahead and didn't require hasbara. The great bastards of history never needed to explain.

      I wouldn't laugh at the gratuitous cruelty if they genuinely didn't care. But they really want to be loved. They do not know what they are doing. It's all one big inherent mistake.

    • Israel's core position reduces to "we are Jews and we can do what we like".
      They can mess around with laws all they want but they will not be able to sell apartheid to the world just because they are Jews.

    • The 2SS keeps Beinart in writing and speaking fees.
      He has zero leverage over the Zionist car crash.
      None of the Jewish boy wonders do.

      Smarter than the average bear but Yogi was more professional

    • "The Lebanese constitution was also a a beautiful thing heralded by many, many people as a beautiful design for dealing with members of different ethnic groups. It didn’t really work very well "-

      It probably would have if the strangers hadn't moved in to the house next door.
      Israel has invaded Lebanon 7 times.

    • " They don’t even represent perfect justice for the Jewish settlers on the West Bank who I believe as a matter of principle have every right to live as equal citizens in the West Bank, but in a two state solution would amost certainly be withdrawn by the Israeli government itself because it would not take responsibility for their safety."

      They have zero rights in the West Bank when the guns are removed. they are only there because they have the IDF behind them. They'd never take over the centre of Rome or Manhattan- if they did what rights would they have ?

      I don't see the point of Beinart. Israel is like a runway clown car at this stage and his triangulations, while perfectly formed, have no influence.

  • Middle East Studies Association affirms members' right to boycott Israeli academic institutions (Updated)
    • The Jewish Theological seminary hopes the 1970 Olympics are a success .
      And wonders what space travel will look like in 2001 AD.

  • Israeli bus driver runs over two Palestinians at Jenin checkpoint, killing one
    • "Apparently, Gaza is in further extremis with the horrible weather and thanks to the ‘international community’. "

      And certain Jews in certain universities "don't feel safe" when this sort of thing comes up. Done for them, by "their people" and they don't say anything.

  • Elizabeth Warren visits Netanyahu, even as he undermines US negotiations with Iran
    • Anyone who gets anywhere near to power has to drop the progressive mask and bend prostrate before Jewish power.

      And that is as close to the Elders as anyone in the Middle East needs, frankly. And it's very unfortunate if certain people feel very uncomfortable about that. Because it is a car crash.

    • Walid

      I just ignore it.

      This Mourabitoun development looks really dangerous. Highly provocative.
      Jews have no place up there as long as the occupation continues and while Palestinian refugees are denied the right of return .

      and I would just add that Jewish prayers in Jerusalem since 1967 seem to have been pretty worthless given how things have turned out.

    • More fowda on the way, Walid

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      The Public Security Ministry and other branches of Israel’s defense establishment are advancing a bill to outlaw the organization of Palestinian guards stationed on the Temple Mount to block entry by Jews. The guard corps, staffed by Muslim men and women, has often been at the center of clashes with Jewish worshippers during the past year.

    • Warren is going through a process akin to when newly arrived good looking prisoners in certain prisons have their front teeth removed so they can serve others more pleasurefully,

  • Efforts to suppress Palestinian activism on US campuses won't work
    • Fruitcakes in Israel turning on Hillel and the ADL sniping at Netanyahu over the Jewish state law- sit back and get some popcorn in.

    • Pandora's Box should really be translated into Hebrew

    • They pay people to spread hasbara but it doesn't work any more, Just.
      It didn't work when it really counted, this August.
      Israel has zro respect for human dignity and Zionists can't defend that competently .
      What makes perfect sense in Hebrew comes dripping with cruelty in English, French, Spanish etc

    • Zionism flourished for 2 generations post nakba because of many factors including white guilt over ww2 but also because Palestinian society was still traumatised by the nakba.
      And now it's 3-4th generation and the kids are as good as if not better than their Bot opponents (in large part because they aren't lashed to a dud set of memes)

      So tough titty, Zionism. you had your chance and you fluffed it.

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  • The Minds of Others: An interview with Max Blumenthal
  • Like an unrequited lover, 'NYT' confesses itself heartbroken over Israel's (latest) betrayal of democracy
    • No different to Yonah and his 4 praying rabbis.
      500 kids- big deal. But 4 rabbis .

      He should know his Jewish history

      Hillel the Elder saw a skull floating in water and declared, "You were drowned because you drowned others. Those who drowned you will themselves be drowned” (Pirkei Avot 2:7). "The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and justice denied" (Pirkei Avot 5:11)

      Those old guys seem to have understood human nature much better than the bots do . Perhaps because they grew up in amongst cultural continuity

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      "I am aware of living in one of the most racist societies in the western world. Racism is present to some degree everywhere, but in Israel it exists deep within the spirit of the laws. It is taught in schools and colleges, spread in the media, and above all and most dreadful, in Israel the racists do not know what they are doing and, because of this, feel in no way obliged to apologise. "

    • It's bad news for Jews in the Diaspora. If the only majority Jewish state is ethnically racist by law why should French Jews have equal rights in France ?

    • the ADL has weighed in with Foxman's considerable heft . Bigotry in Erez Israel does not help Jews in the Diaspora, I bet.

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      "The political debate over the proposed nation-state law is undermining the well-established foundational principle of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said on Monday.

      "The current debate over the proposed Nation-State law has undermined the settled nature of this essential element of Israel’s national identity," ADL National Director Abraham Foxman said in a statement. "Attempts to further codify this concept in the Basic Laws are well-meaning but unnecessary."

      Foxman added that "Israel’s Jewish and democratic character, one that defines Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people and grants equal rights and protections to all citizens regardless of religion, is clearly expressed in the Declaration of Independence and other significant legal documents and judicial decisions."

      It's funny that he says "grants equal rights and protections to all citizens regardless of religion'" and not "grants equal rights and protections to all people living in Erez Israel regardless of religion'

      But he is a Zionist, of course.

  • A handful of Wellesley students are trying to shut down discussion of Israel/Palestine
    • "But it is an issue we want to discuss respectfully and without polarizing” the community"

      It's not possible to openly discuss apartheid without polarizing Zionists ,Jon
      the screaming and slurs of anti-Semitism start and that's the end of debate.
      And SJP aren't interested in hasbara talking points.

      how can SJP talk about Gaza to pro Israeli bots? They'll have your talking points. What's the point? How do you talk respectfully to someone who supports the bombing of hospitals ?

    • Great point, Philip.

      The "I don't feel safe" brigade are spoofers.

  • Poster questioning Zionism makes her feel 'unsafe', Wellesley student says
    • Hoppy is more like a dog with a table leg.

      Jews haven't been persecuted for decades, Hoph.
      Unless calling out the bullshit of Zionism counts as persecution.

    • To me Zionism means mind control, cruelty, violence, insecurity, neediness and please love us.

    • Yonah

      you seem to be reverting to insults.
      Have you lost your mojo ?

    • The second couchborne US brigade of ultra sensitive "I don't feel safe" Jews are the paratroop backup to the Israeli sociopaths . all part of the same sick system

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      Bennet and the "I don't feel safers" are part of the same bullshit.

    • I'm sick of Jews saying they "don't feel safe" when anyone starts questioning Zionism .
      Palestinians don't feel safe 24/7.

      Nobody's going to get hurt at Wesleyan or whatever college just because people are sick of the depravity of Zionism.

      "I don't feel safe" is just another way to say STFU

    • Horizontal

      Re control- the bots can't afford a single chink in the wall, otherwise the truth and the light might break through.

  • Palestinian youth hospitalized after being attacked by Israeli settlers in Jerusalem
  • 'What is your religion?' question surprises two American visitors to the occupation
    • I worked in Cairo for a while about 10 years ago and I'll never forget the day Omaima, one of the accountants, turned up for work in her new higab.
      The pressure was on at all levels of society. In our caretaker's village in the delta there was a sign encouraging women to take the veil.

      And you'd visit homes where the women were veiled and see pictures on the mantelpiece of the grandmother swimming in Alexandria uncovered back in the 60s.

      Poor Egypt. Masr Tabaan khaalis

      Such a long way from the days when it had real cultural power.

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  • Palestinian students fear for their lives during attack on train car in Jerusalem
    • Yonah

      Palestinian mothers and fathers and kids wake up in the morning knowing that they are on the front line.
      Just because they aren't Jewish.

    • Fateh class is a great name. It is the name for the PLO and means "open".

    • More news on Yossi Israeli's insomnia

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      "Iranian missiles with pinpoint accuracy that Hezbollah has received are the "real deterrent factor" in its confrontation with Israel, a leader of the militant Lebanese group told Iran's Tasnim News Agency on Sunday.

      “They (Israelis) are well aware that Hezbollah is in possession of missiles with pinpoint accuracy, and thanks to the equipment Hezbollah acquired, and with the Islamic Republic’s support and Hezbollah’s readiness for any future war, this war will be much tougher for the Israelis,” Sheikh Naim Qassem, deputy secretary general of Hezbollah, told Tasnim.

      Hezbollah has received Fateh-class Conqueror missiles that could reach Dimona, Revolutionary Guards Brigidier General Sayed Majid Moussavi reportedly said, according to Lebanese website YaLibnan, which cited Fars News Agency. The missiles have a range of 250 to 350 kilometers and are reportedly fitted with a 500kg warhead. Israel has been worried about such missiles getting into Hezbollah's hands, according to the Associated Press.
      Qassem stressed that Iran also provided training to Hezbollah forces to prepare and launch the projectiles as well as technical know-how to make more missiles, according to Tasnim. "

      Dimona would be some hit.

    • "be based on the principles of liberty, justice and freedom expressed by the prophets of Israel [and] affirm complete social and political equality for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender”. -

      That never happened. Justice is a sick joke in Israel.
      Equality would be wonderful.

      "institutionalise Jewish law as an inspiration for legislation"

      Fabulous. Orthodox law will be magnificent. No sex unless through a kosher sheet.
      Women to be separate from men at all times other than via a kosher sheet.

      Reform and Conservative law will be deeply suspect.

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      "The archbishop of Westminster said he was deeply shocked by his first visit to Gaza on Sunday, and that he had seen “a deeply depressing situation in a devastated region where people are trapped”.
      Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the leader of the Roman Catholic church in England and Wales, toured neighbourhoods of Gaza that were virtually flattened during the 50-day war between Israel and Hamas in the summer. He visited a hospital and an industrial zone that were badly damaged by air strikes and shelling, and an orphanage caring for dozens of traumatised children, some of whom had been given up by parents unable to care for them.
      “I was deeply shocked at the effects of war and endemic poverty,” he told the Guardian. “Pope Francis has said there must be an end to war, and when you see the effect in a place like Gaza it reinforces that.”
      There was little sign of rubble being cleared, let alone reconstruction, he said. “It’s astonishing the number of people with the appearance of nothing to do – people just sitting on the streets. There is only the barest sense of order. This is not an economy that is going to be able to support its population.”

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      "Yeshayahu Leibowitz understood this already 60 years ago, when he wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.”
      Less than six years after the creation of a sovereign state with a powerful army, Leibowitz wrote that the “real religious and moral meaning of our political rebirth and the return to our hands of the use of force” would be a severe test for Jews who were too accustomed to being victims. “Can we prove capable not only of suffering for these values we exalted, but also acting upon them?” he asked. “It’s easy to suffer, physically and materially for values, even to sacrifice our lives: that necessitates only physical courage which exists in surprising quantities among all human gatherings. It’s difficult to suffer for values, when this suffering means also giving up things which are also seen as values.”
      In the decades after 1967, Leibowitz would be excoriated by the right wing for his fierce criticism of the occupation which he, perhaps inexcusably, described as “Judeo-Nazi.” But he was speaking as a fervent Zionist who was one of the first to see how the success of Zionism meant we had to realize we were no longer victims and that victory came with a moral price. It was “the great test we are faced with by national liberation, political independence and sovereign power — as a nation, a society and a culture which for generations had the privilege of mental and spiritual enjoyment in exile, foreign-rule and self-impotence.” "

      Israel continues to fail the test.
      They didn't have enough shared history to make their state work.

  • Israel lost the British elite after Gaza onslaught, UK ambassador says
    • I like your Millwall analogy Maxi but I don't think Israel's position among the elite is as secure as it looks. People like Osborne will mouth the platitudes but the ground is shifting and if it is politically attractive to change tack they'll do it.
      Bourdieu says that ‘the dominant retain their position by constantly changing their stance’.
      Israel's nightmare is being shafted by a big country like the UK.

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      "For the past 10 years, the BBC World Service has conducted a global poll asking respondents if they think specific countries exercise a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world. The 2014 poll, which was conducted before the Gaza conflict, showed that views of Israel had become more positive in some countries, such as Russia and Turkey, but remained unchanged in western Europe and the US.
      In the UK, 72 per cent had a negative view of Israel and in France 64 per cent were negative. In Germany, one of Israel’s staunchest supporters in the EU, 67 per cent thought Israel had a mainly negative influence, compared with just 11 per cent who thought it was mainly positive. In the US, by contrast, more than half of respondents had a positive view of Israel."

      Even the Daily Mail ran anti Israel pieces in the summer amongst the soft porn.
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      I was on holiday in France and the local papers all ran standard agency stuff but where you had opinion pieces targeted at ABC1s there was a lot of criticism of Israel. At a time of economic stress in Europe local elites are not going to waste energy encouraging people to support a country that is nuts.

      I think Israel is losing elite support in Europe and Protective Edge sped up the process. 10 years ago Israel could still fob off activists by flashing the Holocaust card but that doesn't work so well any more

    • I wouldn't be that pessimistic. Elites follow public opinion when the ground shifts and they have no choice .

      The News of the World was once like Zionism is now. Untouchable. But empires fall.

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    • Careerism

      American journalism is bought and paid for

    • It will come down to money versus grassroots sentiment.

      "They got the guns but we got the numbers"

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      Once one in 5 Americans are anti Zionist the game is up

      I was reading about abuse recently and what happens in the brains of abusers. It is a process. Israel's abuse of Gaza is similar. The brain eventually becomes hardwired to cause pain to others and that is what has happened to the collective Israeli brain. there is no longer any logical connection to reality .

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      "Jim Gamble, the founding head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said there was a theory that men such as Bridger and Hazell became caught up in a "spiral of abuse"."They begin to want more, they want access not to still images but to video images, and then they want to get more real experience. And through the internet they realise that they are not alone," Gamble said."

      Zionism is caught up that spiral of abuse. There is no limit to the amount of blood that will sate Yossi Israeli's appetite to inflict suffering on Gaza .

    • Something that nobody in leadership in Israel understands is that it is no longer the 1970s. Those people who wore those wide ties are no longer calling the shots thinking about poor little Israel, that plucky fighter.

      It was pretty clear that Israel was running a punitive campaign designed to terrorise the people of Gaza back to the siege and that Israel didn't care how many people it killed.

      And that's IDF logic. Because we are JEWS and nobody tells us what to do. Which is fine if you run an autarchic economy with no trade with the outside world. But the world is a little bit more nuanced.

      And it is made even more interesting by the fact that Israel has this desperate neediness alongside the limitless cruelty. Please love us. And it is very hard to love a sociopath. Or maybe Israel just has a collective form of paranoid schizophrenia.

      Israel punished Gaza like a group of prison thugs punish a prisoner who refuses to bend to their rules. And this makes sense in Hebrew. Because it's what Shulman calls the parallel world in which Israelis think , the Homeric world of white Israel surrounded by dark forces of Amalek.

      But nobody in the real world buys that .
      And that is why hasbara is in crisis.

    • Jon Snow of Channel 4 who went to Gaza and broadcast from there during the height of the slaughter, represented a lot of the shift in British thinking over Israel as the carnage turned Brits, who are basically decent , objective people who don't like bullshit, firmly against hasbara.

      And all Israel had was crap from morons like Bennett who thought he could translate his Hebraic hatred, which makes perfect sense to anyone Jewish who went through the Israeli "education" system, into English

      If you compare Snow with Bennett it's no wonder Israel lost the UK elite. Snow wiped the floor with Yigal Palmor, one of the chief wizards of hasbara.

      It's very hard to sell rabies as logic.

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      Regev got slapped around by Emily Maitlis on BBC2
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      and the Palestinians had the videos this time

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      While Israeli Jews are educated to see Gazans as vermin and they support IDF policy in reiterating that point they can only sell their peace loving and rational façade to the West if they have decent hasbara. And they don't.
      Because it's incoherent now. Especially in an age where images take precedent over Luntzisms.

  • Hate attacks in Jerusalem and Israel include one by settler girls
    • Mayhem

      That may be momentarily satisfying but if the eternal Jewish capital morphs into 2 zones with no connection to each other you won't have your united city any more. So what do you want ?

    • I feel sorry for settler girls. Born ignorant, never educated properly, prolly lusted after by inadequate settler men, will be left with nothing when YESHA falls

    • Mooser

      the Trader would be the best BB song for the settlers

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      Trader found the jeweled land
      Was occupied before he came
      By humans of a second look
      Who couldn't even write their names in Hebrew
      Trader said they're not as good
      As folks who wear kippot
      Wrote home again and asked, "Please help
      Their breasts I see; they're not like me
      Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
      Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
      I want them off our lakes so please reply
      Signed sincerely."

      Trader he got the crown okay
      Cleared humanity from his way
      He civilized all he saw
      Making changes every single day say
      Checkpoints sprang over the prairies and the hillsides
      Then roads cut through the mountains to the seaside
      The other kind fled to hide, by and by,
      And so sincerely

    • The thing reading something from 1975 is that looking at it now, the Israelis thought time would be enough to kill Palestinian nationalism- instead it has slowly destroyed Israeli society . 95% support for mass murder of children in summer 2014.

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    • I.F. Stone writing in a 1975 issue of the Progressive

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      Editor's note: This contribution by the late journalist I.F. Stone first appeared in our January 1975 magazine. In a week that saw escalated violence between Israelis and Palestinians, our editorial intern, River Heisler, found this essay and thought it appropriate to share.

      I have not spoken in a synagogue for a long time. I was welcome in synagogues when I spoke about Jewish refugees, but the plight of Arab refugees is not a popular subject in synagogues.

      From the beginning of Zionism we have hated to admit that the Arabs were there. We knew they were there, but we pretended that they weren’t. Or we talked about helping them. We didn’t talk about dislodging them- very few of us thought the day would come when we would dislodge a kindred people. Nothing seems to me more dreadful than that, in the effort to resettle our own people, we have been drawn into the terrible moral fate of treating another people with injustice.

      We cannot ignore the problems of the Arab refugees, and of Palestinian national aspirations, nor blind ourselves to their realities. We cannot say that the Jews have a right to yearn for Palestine after 1,900 years and deny the Arabs the right to yearn for their homes after nineteen years. These were their homes; they are not all Bedouins. But anyone who wants to regard them as Bedouins must remember that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were Bedouins. Any Jew with historical imagination who sees the tents of the Bedouins can’t help but see the tents of our forefathers.

      In any case, we are not dealing with Bedouins. The Arab world is in many stages of development. We are dealing with a contemporary people- many radical young people, many good older people.

      Imagine that you are an Arab. Imagine that you were a dentist or a doctor in Jerusalem or Haifa, or that you had a villa along the little Arab Riviera in Jaffa- there were some lovely Arab villas there. Or imagine that you were a farmer, or that you had a business, or that you went to school. Then, suddenly, everything was swept away. You lost your home, your business, your school, your country. You would feel bitter- there is nothing mysterious about that- and you would feel desperate.

      Terrorism is a reflection of that desperation. I do not favor terrorism, and I do not excuse it, but let’s be honest: If the situation were reversed, Jewish boys would be doing what Arab boys are doing. Jewish terrorists did it in 1946 and 1948. They killed women and children in Jerusalem, they blew up the King David Hotel, they destroyed Arab villages.

      The way to end the terror, the way to heal the breach, is first of all to recognize (as Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, recognized from the beginning of Zionism) that this is a struggle of right against right, that there is an Arab side and a Jewish side, that we must find a way to live together. We must begin to see the problem through their eyes, and thus have the right to ask them to see it through ours.

      I want to see Israel live.

      If we do not pursue the path of reconciliation, the Jewish people will be transformed in the span of a generation; we cannot harden our hearts against our Arab brothers and remain the kind of people we have been proud of being for 2,000 years. We will begin to turn our backs on everything we have been proud of, everything that the Bible and the Prophets stand for. It would not be the first time. Now every time God has given the Holy Land back to us, we have gone after strange gods. Now we are in danger of bowing down to the idols of militarism and force and realpolitik.

      Isaiah says, “Israel shall be redeemed by justice,” and for me, this time around, that means justice for the Arabs as well as for the Jews"

    • This is the definitive piece on settler girls and the insane mental world they live in

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    • Rivlin was just playing a few hours of good cop.
      Israel's problems are deeply structural and can't be dealt with by any well chosen words.
      The country has been going in the wrong direction since at least June 1967.

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      "Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
      This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival. "

      And maybe now the process is starting by which they will have to face that fact- that it was all for nothing

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      Inside you're pretending
      Crimes have been swept aside
      Somewhere where they can forget

      Divine upper reaches
      Still holding on
      This ocean will not be grasped
      All for nothing

      Did you really want
      Did you really want
      Did you really want
      Did you really want

      Refuse to surrender
      Strung out until ripped apart
      Who dares, dares to condemn
      All for nothing

      Did you really want
      Did you really want
      Did you really want
      Did you really want

    • He definitely has some sort of personality disorder.

      They are losing control of things in Jerusalem. And the tourism numbers will be hit. Plus the economy is slowing down.
      I hope it tanks. Israel needs a serious shock to wake the fuck up.

  • 'Palestine is an anxiety' for Americans-- Salaita in New York
    • Also Yonah just on the subject of violence. The ONLY reason that Jews have a higher standard of living in Erez Israel is because they have a monopoly on the use of violence.
      the ONLY reason that there are over three quarters of a million settlers beyond Israel's borders is because of the Jewish monopoly on the use of violence.

      And any time anyone on the other side says anything that YOU can construe as advocating violence are we supposed to follow you in going OMG WTF ?

      It's the same thing when Jews die violently in attacks related to the occupation. Are we genuinely supposed to give a fuck given that violence is the currency of the occupation ?

      I still think that what Salaita tweeted was what I said it was BTW. There are enough reasons to be pissed off about what YESHA means to want the settlers gone.

    • Yonah

      The IDF knew those Jews were dead by the time Salaita posted that tweet. That is a fact.

      By the time Salaita tweeted the IDF had spent 6 days trashing Hamas infrastructr in the West Bank andhad killed 2 Palestinians. Also facts

      And you are you bullshit about violence. Why does Judiastan have a monopoly on violence?
      did it ever make Israel safe ?

      Why does everything that come from the Palestinians have to be exclusively interpreted by Jews ? Can't Palestinians be allowed to comment on what they see too ?

    • Yonah you seem to be quite fond of the soapbox yourself. I take my inspiration from Andrew Smithers :

      " Those in pursuit of business are not readily convinced by inconvenient facts. I hope those of us who are in pursuit of the truth can expose nonsense so that it is widely scorned."

    • Yonah

      june 18 Haaretz, the day before Salaita's tweet

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      "While both the efforts to locate and rescue the three yeshiva students and the anguish felt by the great majority of Israelis are very real, there is a growing recognition that the ongoing saga is about much more than their fate. Indeed, for the security establishment, for the government and for the pro-settler camp, it is much more.
      The commanders of the Israel Defense Forces, Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz and GOC Central Command Maj. Gen. Nitzan Alon have made no attempt to hide the fact that as far they are concerned this is the time to “hit Hamas hard.” The operation is called Brother's Keeper, but much of the military activity out in the field is not directly connected to the operational and intelligence efforts to locate the abductees. Over 240 Hamas members have been arrested and sectors have been searched that have no relation to the kidnapping. But there is another motive at work, and the army is hardly trying to hide it. The Islamic movement has slowly rebuilt some of its infrastructure in the West Bank in recent years — aided in part by the return of released prisoners from the Gilad Shalit deal — now is the moment to “shake the treetops.”

      So far, the operation has not lead to any major escalation, with the exception of a number of violent clashes in which two Palestinians were killed. The government’s agenda is also clear, though Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and some of his colleagues are trying to keep it connected to the kidnapping. For two months now, their biggest problem has been how to isolate the new Palestinian unity government and find a way to get the United States and other Western governments to reject the Fatah-Hamas pact."

      Israel didn't care about the 3 kids- it knew they were dead from day 1. It strung the families along, sent Frankel to the UN for the show and everything. The name of the game was about breaking Hamas in the West bank and destroying the unity government.

      When Brother's keeper didn't work they attacked Gaza.

      So that's what Salaita meant when he said he wished the setters were gone. This whole charade was about cementing their power.

    • Yonah

      the 3 kids were not settlers

      the IDF knew they were dead from day 1
      And used the 'kidnap' to carry out a purge on Hamas targets in the West Bank
      And killed several Palestinians

      Salaita's tweet was about that.

      I wish the settlers would get lost too.
      Palestinian lives are destroyed so they can pretend they own the place.

    • Yonah

      The settlers are the main obstacle to a sane Israel.
      And that tweet was no reason for Salaita to lose his job.

      If you want bloodthirsty check out Boteach during the last war in Gaza
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    • Salaita rejects the ideal of “civility” that was offered by the university to justify his firing. -

      Civility is such a cop out .
      And Zionism is hardly civil.

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Samuel Adams

    • "Salaita says that we should treat the conflict as familiar and unexceptional"-

      so true.
      Israel is just another grubby racist polity- no different to Northern Ireland pre 1991.
      Jewish bigotry is nothing special.
      Jewish torture is as banal as Israeli politicians, as grey as overwashed Israeli underwear.

  • First they came for the Palestinians . . .
  • Revisiting 'Graveyard of Numbers': Israel refuses to return remains of Palestinian militants as a punitive measure
    • Martyr is the Arabic translation of the Hebrew world vermin.

    • >In previous cases, following the police investigation, the bodies of perpetrators were returned to families who held funerals for them, some of which spiraled into violent Palestinian protests.

      Yeah Mayhem. The Palestinians should just accept not to get too uppity when the Jews are in charge. Otherwise massa Jew will whup them til they understand real good

      > Israel has invariably abided by due procedures, while its enemies have time and time again pursued cruel, hateful measures.

      Thanks for the laughs

      > Hamas has always shouted out that it will reek (sic) havoc on Israel when its own militants get killed. Hamas continues to celebrate the brutal murder of innocent people, making it plainly evident that Israel has no-one with whom to negotiate.

      Israel killed over 500 children this summer and won't negotiate anything.
      Brutal systemic murder of children and we are supposed to start crying when JEWS are killed OMG WTF

      "Nobody to negotiate with" is bullshit. Hamas offered a long term ceasefire, the Arabs have the 2003 plan and Abbas wants to discuss borders. Israel wants all the land, bas.

      > Israel needs to explore new ways to deal with the current wave of attacks.

      Maybe see the big picture and sue for peace before it's too late . Gd doesn't care about Israel.

      > No nation in the world can allow such heinous acts like those perpetrated in Jerusalem this week to sway its resolve.

      FFS. Rhe British in Ulster tried the hard line for years and eventually gave up. Israel has less political intelligence than the UK.

    • Those special Jewish teams that scour death sites gathering the minutest pieces of flesh before sundown, so important it is for Jews to have everything for the funeral and Israel won't release bodies of Palestinains to families for burial, with the accompanying agony for grieving families - the rank hypocrisy of Zionism is so repugnant.

    • None of the punitive measures Israel impose whether retaining corpses, demolishing homes , torturing etc will deter Palestinians who have had enough. The cruelty is a communication with Yossi Israeli within the confines of the Hebrew bubble to assure him that the heinous crime against humanity of killing JEWS (with tefillin or not) OMG WTF will not go unpunished. Palestinians don't give a f$ck about Jewish sanctity as long as Jews kill Palestinians with impunity and that's just a normal reaction to bullshit.

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      "Last week, at the funeral of the three Jewish teens, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke of the huge moral chasm between us and the Palestinians. "

      That is so laughable. There is a moral chasm alright but it is not as Zionist Jews imagine in to be.

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      "Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat on Friday called for Israel to revoke the citizenship of terrorists' families who support attacks against Israelis.
      "We must be extremely focused [in or efforts] against evil people, to locate them and deal with them firmly," Barkat told Army Radio. "

      Evil . Again, a joke. When Israel punishes with the full force of the law those who kill Palestinians with impunity Barkat can start talking about evil. But not now.

  • Israeli police ransack homes of 40 Palestinians during al-Shaludi home demolition
    • Zionist worship of the land loses the holiness, I think .

      Really defeats the purpose. No point in standing at the holy place having waded through fields of blood to get there. Not even animists would buy the hasbara.

  • David Remnick undermines Israel's one-state president
    • Demonising equal rights in the 1SS "because jews won't accept it" which is code for "only apartheid is acceptable to jews". Remnick is another boy wonder in the mould of Beinart. There is no royal road to a dignified exit for Israel.

      Said had it right.

      YESHA was supposed to kill palestinian rights forever. Over $100bn. Ariel sharon and his salami analogy.
      Now it looks like a vasectomy that delivered twins.
      And Israel has to live with the consequences.

      To paraphrase Mencken, this is about giving Israeli jews what they want and giving it to them good and hard

  • 'My friends, with us tonight is the face of the Holocaust': Boteach talks Israel, Palestine, and genocide with Wiesel and Power
  • Netanyahu's 'battle for Jerusalem' can't end well for any of us
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      "Within the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem under the British mandate, which ended in 1947, "overall Jewish ownership had not exceeded 24 percent." However, in the last months of the mandate, the Jewish forces captured 84.13 percent of the city, later called West Jerusalem, within which Jewish land ownership approached 30 percent. "What was left in Arab hands –East Jerusalem –constituted 11.48 percent" of municipal Jerusalem, reported Professor Walid Khalidi in a study he has undertaken for The Journal of Palestine Studies, now based in Washington, D."

      Atlas of Palestine Stats

      1922 Jerusalem
      Palestinians 83365
      Jews 34439

      1944 Jerusalem
      Palestinians 140680
      Jews 100200

      I think those stats cited by Jon s and Norma Settler come from Peters

    • Jon

      the 1947 UN GA vote was not going to get the 2/3rd majority required so the Zionists asked for a delay.

      And set about armtwisting and threatening.

      France was threatened with economic consequences. the Firestone corp took care of Liberia.
      Robert Nathan, a prominent Zionist , said "we used all tools at hand"
      Delegates of Latin American nations had mink coats sent to their wives.
      Haiti was promised international aid.
      The Philippines was threatened.

      The vote was a joke. The UN had no power to dispossess the Palestinians.
      Zionism has always been the same- Jewish money buys influence.

      The Achilles heel of Zionism is very little general public support for Jewish nihilism.

      And that is what is going to kill Israel.

      "and who knows? "

      History repeats itself. Zionism can't succeed where the Crusaders failed.

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      History repeats itself
      you didn't learn, you wouldn't listen
      you couldn't see the books were on the shelf
      For your concern, you never missed 'em

    • Cheers Yonah !

      I think we are witnessing a very important moment in the conflict.
      I remember being in a sherut in Ben Gurion airport during the last intifada wondering for how long Israel would keep the occupation going .
      I decided to buy a photo book about Israel because I had a feeling it wouldn't last. I wanted a big one with loads of pictures. I ended up buying Magnum: Israel at 50 years.

    • From the same article

      "a new danger is looming: that the situation in Jerusalem will gradually evolve into a Belfast-like reality, with Palestinian terrorist attacks being answered by Jewish acts of revenge. The murder this summer of the Palestinian teen Mohammed Abu Khdeir, following discovery of the bodies of the three Israeli teens murdered in the Etzion Bloc, might turn out to have been the onset of a new and growing epidemic.

      For a few years, it was possible to believe that a convenient interim situation had been achieved, and large numbers of tourists, from Israel and abroad, returned to the Old City. But all that fell apart last summer. "

      Also Yonah - 4 dead on your sad is obviously sad- how do you think Palestinians feel when your side kills hundreds ? Do you think that's sustainable long term ?

    • Amos Harel

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      "For years, Israeli prime ministers have sworn by a commitment to Jerusalem’s eternal unification. But the erection of police roadblocks at the exits from Arab neighborhoods, and the plans for concrete barricades along the old “seam line” between the eastern and western parts of the city, along with the wave of dismissals of Arab workers in Jewish neighborhoods this week – all this serves the opposite goal. Those steps only contribute to the city’s division in practice, and underscore the mutual fears of the two populations. The barricades corroborate the Palestinian argument that the city was never unified, under Israeli rule, and never will be. "

    • Yonah

      It's called feedback. You can't kill 500 kids in 3 weeks and expect everything to stay hunky in the Hebrew bubble. That shit is tragic but it sure ain't magic.

      You leave the Palestinians with no means of getting through to Yossi Israeli other than violence. YESHA was supposed to kill Palestinian nationalism but it's now killing Israelis.
      And it's a system problem like Northern Ireland was.
      The system is breaking down. You can't make people afraid when they are sick and tired of the bullshit.

      It hardly matters that in this particular case they were Jews- what matters is that they were part of the oppressor community and that community thought they were untouchable.
      Northern Ireland was exactly the same. No dose of state violence could stop it.

      It appears as though it's running as most systems of oppression do when the persecuted decide they have had enough. Maybe you think there is some sort of messianic angle to it but there isn't.

      The location is special but the power plays happen everywhere.

    • Yonah

      The murder of those 4 dudes brought the cost of the occupation home to
      Yossi Israeli.

      Fitch have just added to the bill

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      "Fitch Ratings is concerned with the state of the Israeli economy. Fitch did leave Israel's credit rating at A, but lowered the long-term currency Issuer Default Rating (IDR) from positive to stable. The lowering of the IDR is what Israeli leaders feared over the past few months. The downgrade stems from a fear that the Israeli economy is slowing down, from the government's growing investment in security, and from the raising of the government deficit target in the 2015 budget. Fitch's decision has Israeli leaders worried over the consequences it may have on Israel's standing in international markets, as well as on the upcoming credit announcements of Moody's and Standard & Poor's. "

      Ma sha allah

      The name of the game for the 16 oligarchs who control Israel is money. they are nothing special and god doesn't care about their money either. See Torah for details.

      So someone is going to have to tell Yossi Israeli what a downgrade means.
      And that YESHA is now on balance sheet.

      Jerusalem is eternal. Bukra fi mishmish.

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