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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed. - "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • US friends of Israeli army stage fundraisers with NBA teams and NY rabbi
    • That Torah for the day encapsulates the Jewish prison. How to triangulate between tribalist violence and the wisdom of the elders while ignoring the moral content of the books.
      Donneil Hartman was mentioned. He used to write crap like that every week in Haaretz. It can be summarised as good Jews who do dirty things.

  • NYT's opening to a 'fringe voice' excites rage from Israeli army, journalism, business leaders
    • When the people on the NYT comments
      Get up and tell you where to go
      And you've just had some kind of Ziocaine
      And your mind is moving low
      Go ask Bibi
      He's a know nothing

      When logic and proportion
      Have fallen Hebrew dead
      And the Dersh is talking backwards
      And Geller’s off her head
      Remember what the dormouse said;
      Feed your head
      Fuck Zionism

    • "Radical left" is such a bot giveaway. Atticus Finch would be classed as a radical left extremist in Israel.

    • The people over at +972 are very impressive. They really understand Zionist psychosis and they haven't had their sense of morality surgically removed.

      "The silent majority of #Israelis represented by @lilacsigan responding to @nytopinion About how Israel treats dissent"

      They are the same silent majority who needed 24/7 gore in August. The silent majority who stayed schtum all the years YESHA was being built.

      Israel respects all dissent and if you disagree Lerner will kick your head in.

  • The Greater Gaza Plan: Is Israel trying to force Palestinians into Sinai?
    • The issue is larger than "are there enough shekels to educate Israel's children". The issue is "do they want to educate" Israel's children. And the answer is "no".

    • Whatever Israel does to Gaza will be visited on the Sabras eventually, assuming they are still around. Zero sum games tend to work like that.
      And the future is going to be awfully long while the notion that history has ended is not likely to provide any comfort.

    • The Sinai is mostly desert so wouldn't be able to support much of a population even if it had a bigger area than Gaza. Where would the water come from? Gaza is entitled to the water from the aquifer.

      I think the bots seriously underestimate what the inevitable collapse of Gaza into a pit of disease is going to mean for the wider Judaism. Pottery Barn rules will apply and it'll be very hard to whine about WW2.

      Israel is a middle aged man who is slowly going insane.

  • ISIS wants us to come in and bomb Arabs (Rouhani and Matthews agree)
    • ISIS play the US like a violin

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      "The turning point was the beheadings last month of two US journalists by members of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, or Isis. Once videos of their killings were posted on the internet by Isis, their deaths amounted to virtual public executions.
      Bill McInturff, a Republican-aligned pollster who along with a Democratic colleague conducts the closely watched Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, said the change in public opinion had been “sudden”. That poll showed 61 per cent of respondents thought military action against Isis was in America’s national interest."

      Chelsea Manning has it right

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      As a strategy to disrupt the growth of Isis, I suggest focusing on four arenas:
      • Counter the narrative in online Isis recruitment videos – including professionally made videos and amateur battle selfies – to avoid, as best as possible, the deliberate propaganda targeting of desperate and disaffected youth. This would rapidly prevent the recruitment of regional and western members.
      • Set clear, temporary borders in the region, publicly. This would discourage Isis from taking certain territory where humanitarian crises might be created, or humanitarian efforts impeded.
      • Establish an international moratorium on the payment of ransom for hostages, and work in the region to prevent Isis from stealing and taxing historical artifacts and valuable treasures as sources of income, and especially from taking over the oil reserves and refineries in Bayji, Iraq. This would disrupt and prevent Isis from maintaining stable and reliable sources of income.
      • Let Isis succeed in setting up a failed “state” – in a contained area and over a long enough period of time to prove itself unpopular and unable to govern. This might begin to discredit the leadership and ideology of Isis for good.
      Eventually, if they are properly contained, I believe that Isis will not be able to sustain itself on rapid growth alone, and will begin to fracture internally. The organization will begin to disintegrate into several smaller, uncoordinated entities – ultimately failing in their objective of creating a strong state.
      But the world just needs to be disciplined enough to let the Isis fire die out on its own, intervening carefully and avoiding the cyclic trap of “mission creep”. This is certainly a lot to ask for. But Isis is wielding a sharp, heavy and very deadly double-edged sword. Now just wait for them to fall on it.

    • "And he says jihad is rooted deeply in Islam"

      Maybe if Jihad been rooted in Judaism in the 30s certain tragedies wouldn't have happened .
      Muslims know how to defend themselves against capitalism.

  • Can the US Congress bring justice for the Palestinians?: A response to Robert Naiman
  • Lutheran activists fear new church leadership will stifle criticism of Israeli occupation
    • Probably the people in the exercise yard of wherever IDF deserters are imprisoned.

    • The purpose of a system is what it does. Lutheran contact with mainstream Zionist Jews gives respectability to the occupation in the name of interfaith dialogue

      Listen to Max Blumenthal's Russell Tribunal presentation on what all those Israel firsters supported in Gaza this summer.

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      Remember how Hillelesque Rav Rick Jacobs was in standing up to the madness last July

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      “As you know, the conflict in Gaza has intensified. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the Israeli soldiers killed in action, with our brothers and sisters in Israeli, and with all who are in danger.
      When the conflict began, the Reform Movement made a decision to join Stop the Sirens, a community-wide campaign, coordinated by Jewish Federations of North American (JFNA), to provide relief and support to the most heavily impacted Israeli communities. We did this rather than creating our own campaign to support our Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism (IMPJ) congregations and the vital work the IMPJ itself is doing because we thought it was important to show support for the larger communal effort.
      We encourage all members of Reform congregations to continue to provide funds and donations to their local Jewish Federations to assure that continued funding will be available in the coming weeks as it is likely that the current crisis will not end in the next few days. Our ongoing support for Israel and its citizens will continue to be desperately needed. ”

      Rick is a great man for interfaith bullshit while Israel runs the brutality 24/7

    • Supporting Zionist nihilism is not the Christian thing to do

    • "Front and center for some Christians is repairing broken relations with the mainstream Jewish community. "

      the ultra extremist mainstream Jewish community

  • 'Jews Against Genocide' take the blood bucket challenge at Yad Vashem
  • Netanyahu heads to New York to ‘refute all the lies’ and praise ‘the most moral army in the world’
    • "Fear, more and even more fear mongering. This is all he does. The bogey man is everywhere. "

      He is talking to his indoctrinated people. They are educated to think in a paranoid fashion. Only the IDF can save them from Hitler in Gaza. 40% of IDF officers are religious Zionists for whom Gazans are vermin.

      Blumenthal discusses it here
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      "More time on the Holocaust could mean more study of its universal implications, of the obligation to question authority and to oppose racism. In practice, it will mean less study of general history and of the long fruitful periods of cross-fertilization between Jewish and non-Jewish cultures. Instead, students will get more training in experiencing the Holocaust as an immediate terrifying reality. But this is only an extension of the existing trend: Ironically, as the time since the Holocaust grows, Israeli education devotes ever more energy to passing on its post-traumatic stress to the next generation."

      That is the system and why Netanyahu speaks at the UN as he does . That is also why the memes die outside Hebrew.

    • Gershon Goremberg knows the cult intimately

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      "Netanyahu has built his career by tapping into the twin currents of victimhood and exaggerated trust in power. The unplanned war in the south initially served him well. But, as it dragged on, he could no longer satisfy the fantasies on which he had relied.

      First, a word about the Holocaust index: As Ori Kashti reported on Wednesday, the Israeli Education Ministry plans to boost the proportion of high school history study devoted to the Holocaust. That's no small task, given the how much of the existing curriculum is already devoted to that subject, not to mention the prodigious investment in what's become the de rigueur 12th grade Holocaust tour of Poland.

      More time on the Holocaust could mean more study of its universal implications, of the obligation to question authority and to oppose racism. In practice, it will mean less study of general history and of the long fruitful periods of cross-fertilization between Jewish and non-Jewish cultures. Instead, students will get more training in experiencing the Holocaust as an immediate terrifying reality. But this is only an extension of the existing trend: Ironically, as the time since the Holocaust grows, Israeli education devotes ever more energy to passing on its post-traumatic stress to the next generation.

      The range of individual Israeli responses is vast. As a society, though, Israel shows the classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress: Being constantly alert for the next danger, which will be perceived as the original, overwhelming danger. Not only does the screech of a motorcycle sometimes sound like an air-raid siren, the instant response to a barrage of rockets is instinctually that we are threatened with annihilation, that we are once again utterly alone in the world, and that force is the only solution.

      This is one reason, not the only one, that the Israelis who most emphasize Jewish victimhood are often the ones who are most certain that we can only solve our problems militarily. You can't reach arrangements with Nazis - so goes the thinking, sometimes explicit, sometimes implied - you have to defeat them totally. "

    • The ongoing crisis in hasbara. He has no fresh material.
      All of those tired memes that don't work in English any more.

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      "Netanyahu lives the dual fantasy of helplessness and unlimited power more than any Israeli politician since Menachem Begin. While Begin personally escaped the Holocaust, Netanyahu embodies second-hand trauma. "It's 1938 and Iran is Germany," summed up his perception of our enemies, between whom he refuses to make distinctions. His military threats against Iran expressed the hubris that is the opposite pole of the fantasy. Netanyahu's contradictory tone of perpetual fear and overconfidence has resonated with a large piece of the Israeli public. He speaks what they feel."

      Nobody else feels like that .

      Your praised little hasbara gifts you spent your money on
      And stuffed me with
      Didn't amount to anything
      The attention I need is much more serious
      A kind of weight you couldn't lift
      Even if your cheap career depended on it , Milikovsky
      I need someone much more mysterious

    • Bibi is full of shit

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      "Yet Israel faced another challenge. We faced a propaganda war because in an attempt to win the world sympathy, Hamas cynically used Palestinian civilians as human shields. It used schools -- not just schools; UN schools -- private homes, mosques, even hospitals to store and fire rockets at Israel. As Israel surgically struck at the rocket launchers and at the tunnels, Palestinian civilians were tragically but unintentionally killed. There are heartrending images that resulted, and these fueled libelous charges that Israel was deliberately targeting civilians. We were not. We deeply regret every single civilian casualties.
      And the truth is this: Israel was doing everything to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties. Hamas was doing everything to maximize Israeli civilian casualties and Palestinian civilian casualties. Israel dropped flyers, made phone calls, sent text messages, broadcast warnings in Arabic on Palestinian television, all this to enable Palestinian civilians to evaluate targeted areas. No other country and no other army in history have gone to greater lengths to avoid casualties among the civilian population of their enemies. (Applause.)
      Now, this concern for Palestinian life was all the more remarkable given that Israeli civilians were being bombarded by rockets day after day, night after night. And as their families were being rocketed by Hamas, Israel’s citizen army, the brave soldiers of the IDF, our young boys and girls, they upheld the highest moral values of any army in the world. (Applause.) Israel’s soldiers deserve not condemnation but admiration, admiration from decent people everywhere. (Applause.)
      Now, here is what Hamas did. Here is what Hamas did. Hamas embedded its missile batteries in residential areas and told Palestinians to ignore Israel’s warnings to leave. And just in case people didn’t get the message, they executed Palestinian civilians in Gaza who dared to protest. And no less reprehensible, Hamas deliberately placed its rockets where Palestinian children live and play. Let me show you a photograph. It was taken by a France 24 crew during the recent conflict. It shows two Hamas rocket launchers, which were used to attack us. You see three children playing next to them. Hamas deliberately put its rockets in hundreds of residential areas like this -- hundreds of them.
      Ladies and gentlemen, this is a war crime. And I say to President Abbas, these are the crimes, the war crimes, committed by your Hamas partners in the national unity government which you head and you are responsible for. And these are the real war crimes you should have investigated or spoken out against from this podium last week. (Applause.)
      Ladies and gentlemen, as Israel’s children huddle in bomb shelters and Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense knocked Hamas rockets out of the sky, the profound moral difference between Israel and Hamas couldn’t have been clearer. Israel was using its missiles to protect its children. Hamas was using its children to protect its missiles. (Applause.)
      By investigating Israel rather than Hamas for war crimes, the UN Human Rights Council has betrayed its noble mission to protect the innocent. In fact, what it’s doing is to turn the laws of war upside down. Israel, which took unprecedented steps to minimize civilian casualties -- Israel is condemned. Hamas, which both targeted and hid behind civilians -- that’s a double war crime -- Hamas is given a pass.
      The Human Rights Council is thus sending a clear message to terrorists everywhere: Use civilians as a human shield. Use them again and again and again. And you know why? Because, sadly, it works. By granting international legitimacy to the use of human shields, the UN Human Rights Council has thus become a terrorist rights council, and it will have repercussions -- it probably already has -- about the use of civilians as human shields. It’s not just our interests. It’s not just our values that are under attack. It’s your interests and your values.
      Ladies and gentlemen, we live in a world steeped in tyranny and terror where gays are hanged from cranes in Tehran, political prisoners are executed in Gaza, young girls are abducted en masse in Nigeria, and hundreds of thousands are butchered in Syria, Libya and Iraq, yet nearly half -- nearly half of the UN Human Rights Council’s resolutions focusing on a single country have been directed against Israel, the one true democracy in the Middle East; Israel, where issues are openly debated in a boisterous parliament, where human rights are protected by the -- by independent courts, and where women, gays and minorities live in a genuinely free society.
      The human rights -- that’s an oxymoron, the human -- UN Human Rights Council, but I’ll use it just the same. The council’s biased treatment of Israel is only one manifestation of the return of one of the world’s largest prejudices. We hear mobs today in Europe call for the gassing of Jews. We hear some national leaders compare Israel to the Nazis. This is not a function of Israel’s policies. It’s a function of diseased minds. and that disease has a name. It’s called anti-Semitism. It is now spreading in polite society where it masquerades as legitimate criticism of Israel.
      For centuries the Jewish people have been demonized with blood libels and charges of deicide. Today the Jewish state is demonized with the apartheid libel and charges of genocide -- genocide. In what moral universe does genocide include warning the enemy civilian population to get out of harm's way, or ensuring that they receive tons -- tons of humanitarian aid each day even as thousands of rockets are being fired at us, or setting up a field hospital to aid their wounded? "

      And here's Martin Lejeune on what Israel did to Gaza's infrastructure

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      Zionism is rabid

    • Mason had some very interesting other points

      -Gaza mosques have social function- they feed people
      -No accountability for drones. Extension of policing to airpsace. Increased stress for civilians
      -Difference between Israeli army rules of engagement and normal army- eg British army who have a lawyer around They would ask "what is the risk to us of a breach in international law. " IDF just don't care.
      He thinks there are genocidal narratives on both sides
      Rwanda was analogue. Social media v dangerous in terms of spreading genocidal thoughts.
      Context of incarceratedpopulation.
      No contact between Isr Jews and Palestinians

      Had a look at Blumenthal as well
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      He is so clinical.

      Hartufim- word used to indicate dead soldiers on IDF radio but also means they can kill palestinian civilians.
      As soon as the word hannibal blazed across Israeli army radios the bombardment started. Goldin was killed. The objective. How Israel treats its people.
      Religious zionists are 40% of IDF officers.

      He really understands the DNA of Zionism, the heartlessness, the savagery and he presented so many cases.

      And Lejeune

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      In 2009 Israel declared Gaza enemy territory. No right to compensation.
      8 years to get to third world country via 3 wars and embargo
      One third of population homeless
      And it's a reference for the attrition policy against Gaza's infrastructure

    • Netanyahu is a snake oil merchant who specialises in Jewish manifest destiny.

      The American version had native people as Gazans.
      Black Elk understood what happened.
      "The Wasichus had slaughtered all the bison and shut us up in pens. It looked asbthough we might all starve to death. We could not eat lies'.
      From Black Elk speaks , page 185

    • Thanks Gracie.
      4:50 - "the Israelis have a blip? and 2 drones so they can triangulate everything . that would be probably.. be possible to rerun the tape over the entire 50 days bit by bit and datacrunch it for every impact. There is no mystery about what has happened ."

    • Good luck to Netanyahu. Maybe he can do in New York what he failed to do on social media.

      He's such a hero. So brave.

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  • When Rouhani says blaming ISIS on Islam is Islamophobic, is anyone listening?
    • Jeff, Baby

      "War doesn't change anything", Doc Bryan says. "This place was f#cked up before we came and it's f#cked up now. I don't personally believe we liberated the Iraqis. Time will tell.""The American people ought to know the price we pay to maintain their standard of living " Espera says .

      Generation Kill page 348

      Possibly a bit over your head:

      Pru and Roy and Nelson retreat into their room and he sits a while and watches while Judy, the remote control in hand, bounces back and forth between The Cosby Show, some ice capades, and a scare documentary about foreigners buying up American businesses, and then between Cheers and a drama about saving a fourteen year-old girl from becoming a prostitute like her mother. So many emergencies, Harry thinks, so much canned laughter, so many actors' tears, all this effort to be happy, to be brave, to be loved, all this wasted effort.

    • ISIS is the West's baby

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      "Even by the standards of Iraq’s turbulent history, its past few decades have been unusually relentless. Just since 1980 Iraqis have experienced three major wars that wrecked the country’s physical infrastructure and left perhaps half a million dead; an attempt at genocide that permanently alienated Iraq’s five million Kurds; a ten-year siege under the UN’s “Oil-for-Food” program that devastated the economy, ruined the middle class, and forced the most talented into exile; an American invasion that shattered national pride and stoked bitter divisions; and a civil war that displaced as many as 4.7 million Iraqis from their homes and has driven a deep, perhaps irreparable chasm of mistrust between Iraq’s 60 percent Shia Arab majority and the once-dominant 20 percent Sunni Arab minority. Excepting perhaps the Russians from 1914 to 1953, few modern nations have been so cursed by ill luck for such an extended period."

      the disposable heroes give a great intro to the 91 war

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      Some of the sunni men now in ISIS were kids in Fallujah in 03

      So many things never make it into the narrative and this is a classic of the genre

  • Abbas calls on UN Security Council to end the occupation
  • Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders get off Israel bandwagon, for once
    • " to ensure that no assistance is diverted to Hamas, support the Palestinian Authority’s effort to govern in Gaza, and discourage Palestinian unilateral measures at the United Nations and International Criminal Court that bypass direct negotiations and undermine the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations."

      And Abbas spoke at the UN to say that bullshit is over.
      Rich nihilistic Jews can go suck on it.

  • Netanyahu erases the boundary between world Jewry and Israel in celebration of 'our country'
    • The Milikovsky ring that links him to a field in Poland and a bowl of borscht over 400 years old

    • You face increasingly virulent and even violent anti-Semitism BECAUSE
      Israel will remain a source of danger for Jews, no matter where they live

      The Jewish people indeed always unite when faced with great challenges, and the past year was no exception.

      Who named Netanyahu king of the Jews ?

  • Ohio treasurer fights divestment from the 'beacon of American values' in the Middle East
  • Another scholar cancels at U of Illinois, saying school doesn't 'protect faculty from donors'
    • Samir Amin has an interesting article in the latest Monthly Review about modern fascism.
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      I think this explicit plutocrat interference on campus is a very worrying sign of the way things are going. Another is the discussion that rule by "law and reason" may be preferable to democracy

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      "Of the many excellent philosophers of democracy working today, John Dunn of Cambridge university is the one best attuned to its paradoxes. His new book, Breaking Democracy’s Spell, collects four lectures given at Yale. One of them, “Diagnosing Democracy’s Power”, shows how easily democracy can fall wide of its aims, particularly in America. While never undervaluing the people’s right to choose their leaders, Professor Dunn draws a sharp distinction between that and self-government. “No one inspecting the United States today could sanely conclude that it is governed by its people,” he writes – granting at the same time that the people’s right to choose their rulers is not for nothing.
      People in the west are not good at distinguishing “a happy accident from a magic formula”. Democracy is not a synonym for good government. For most of history it has been the reverse. Democracy, in Prof Dunn’s view, may be not just indifferent but hostile to law and reason. Forced to choose, most people would probably prefer law over democracy. "

      That's what's happening in Israel now.

      Who shall be happy ?

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  • Ads Against Apartheid comes to Chicago's south side
    • The "no smoking" sign below the ad is funny.

      Do not smoke this shit, in other words

    • DaBakr

      I must do some research on pathologies of abuse. Zionism has a big case of that.
      Zionism is some sort of mental disturbance at this stage.
      Lovely people individually but a real messed up system.

    • If Israel is part of the Western world why is it in the Middle East ?
      They might as well have ads complaining about all the neighbouring countries that have muezzins chanting at 6am. If you don't like it, why did you move there ?

    • That Zionist ad shows the lunacy of Zionism.
      Reminds me of what Brzezinski said. The notion that a nation of 6 million disciplined people can control that area indefinitely using violence is insane.

      Imagine the Hutus taking over 25000 square miles of Idaho and then advertising in Europe that the Americans have 49.5 other sates and that the hutus should have that one.

  • Rosh Hashanah After Gaza
    • Israel is so depressing

      Here's a decent song to lift the mood a bit

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    • Those Jewish texts will save Israel, Mooser. I just have to put them to the donors.

    • Rosh Hashanah . Next year will be full of the same bollocks from the bots

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      "Senior officials in the Prime Minister's Office said the Palestinian leader's speech "was full of lies and incitement. This is not the way a man who wants peace speaks."
      Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, too, claimed that the speech proves Abbas "doesn't want to and cannot be a partner for a reasonable political settlement."
      "Abu Mazen complements Hamas by perpetrating political terror and making false accusations against Israel," Lieberman added, referring to Abbas. "As long as Abu Mazen chairs the Palestinian Authority he will perpetuate the conflict. Abu Mazen proves time and again that he isn't a man of peace, but is Arafat's successor in various ways."
      Abbas used his address to announce that he is seeking a UN resolution that would set a deadline for Israel to pull out of Palestinian lands captured in the 1967 war.
      Likud Central Committee Chairman MK Danny Danon said that Abbas' annoucement, like his 2013 speech, pursues "an instant solution that has no basis in reality."
      He said that unilateral steps by the Palestinians would be met with unilateral steps by Israel.
      "Any unilateral declaration by Abu Mazen must be met with the instatement of sovereignty on Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria," he threatened"

    • Rabbi Jacobs has eyes just like Max Blumenthal's .

    • A thought for Rosh Hashanah

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      "On August 20, Mr. Netanyahu was recorded on film expressing his deep shock at the beheading of an American journalist by the knife of an Islamic State murderer. Truly, a wicked deed.
      On August 19, just one day before that horrific execution, the prime minister approved the killing of an 8-month-old baby together with his mother, in the hope that the father would be with them and also be killed. "

    • link to

      1. I cannot determine the meaning
      Of sorrow that fills my breast:
      A fable of old, through it streaming,
      Allows my mind no rest.
      The air is cool in the gloaming
      And gently flows the Rhine.
      The crest of the mountain is gleaming
      In fading rays of sunshine.
      The loveliest maiden is sitting
      Up there, so wondrously fair;
      Her golden jewelry is glist'ning;
      She combs her golden hair.
      She combs with a gilded comb, preening,
      And sings a song, passing time.
      It has a most wondrous, appealing
      And pow'rful melodic rhyme.

      3. The boatman aboard his small skiff, -
      Enraptured with a wild ache,
      Has no eye for the jagged cliff, -
      His thoughts on the heights fear forsake.
      I think that the waves will devour
      Both boat and man, by and by,
      And that, with her dulcet-voiced power
      Was done by the Loreley.

    • There'll need to be some distance between the people and the land.
      "Why can I not speak? You' re not so unique" would be a good starting point for the discussion of this sensitive aspect of the future relationship with Ha eretz, the mythical and dangerous land of Israel.

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      Very strong echoes of the legend of Lorelei

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    • That is a very thoughtful post, yonah. It must be very hard to think about your people and the big risks the people at the top are running. The other day Shmuel said " Israel is a militaristic ethnocracy, rooted in a romantic-nationalist ideology and born out of extreme trauma (both experienced and inflicted)." And nobody chose to be born into that.It's not easy for ordinary people there to see beyond the parapet. The IDF memes are probably very comforting for a lot of people.

      Following the Lehman collapse (Greenspan 'shocked' that free markets are flawed, November 23, 2008) Alan Greenspan told the New York Times “I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organisations, specifically banks and others, was such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders.”

      It's probably the same over at the IDF.

      At the end of the day it's about people, isn't it? But everyone, not just the Sabras.

    • Rosh Hashanah after Gaza

      It must feel very uncomfortable for those Golani boys , washing off all that gore, picking off the bone fragments, and then having to think sacred thoughts.

    • "It’s tragic because so many of the young American Jews who choose not to raise Jewish families don’t even know what they’re discarding.'

      Perhaps it is even worse than that. Perhaps they do

    • Peter Beinart is calling on the rabbis not to talk about Israel: -

      When routine bites hard,
      And ambitions are low,
      And resentment rides high,
      But emotions won't grow,
      And we're changing our ways, taking different roads.

      Then Israel will tear us apart again.
      Israel will tear us apart again

    • "Rabbis can bring the wisdom of Jewish text and tradition to deep questions about the Israel we want to create. We can look to rabbinic laws concerning the establishment of a just society for insight into creating a country that reflects Jewish values. "

      I'm sorry. I think Israel needs emergency psychiatric treatment. The wisdom of Jewish text? Like the 300 foreskins ?

      Israelis often tell well meanng American co-religionists they don't understand. And they really don't.

      What can you do about these guys ? Can Peter Beinart get through to them ?

      Additional chants from last night: “Gaza is a cemetery”, “This is the Land of Israel, the country of Jews” link to

      WATCH: Israeli racists sing last night “School is out in Gaza/ They have no children left there”
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      Go ask Elizabeth Tsurkov what she thinks about Jewish texts putting an end to nearly 50 years of insanity.

      The rich people who hold the purse strings know nothing is going to happen. They have US Judaism by the balls.

      you can read all about it but it is far worse than this :

  • Russell Tribunal finds evidence of incitement to genocide, crimes against humanity in Gaza
    • Thanks Just

      In other news, how about this 2010 Gaza poem from Lilian Rosengartner, a well known self hating Jew ?

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      "A friend reminded me of this timely poem by W H Auden:

      “ September 1, 1939
      Now I and the public know
      What all school children learn
      Those to whom evil is done
      Do evil in return.”

      I leave you with a short poem written on our journey.


      You have risen from
      Ashes of the holocaust
      To become your own enemy.
      We weep for you.

      You should have learned so well
      Man’s inhumanity to man
      Is hell.

      We are your brothers and sisters too."

    • Did the tribunal mention the number of entire families that Israel wiped out ?

    • There is something seriously dysfunctional in Israel society, Elisabeth. Israelis individually are wonderful people but the collective is a mess. Palestinians have to get on with it- they have no power. Israelis do and every morning they make the wrong choice. How Israelis think about Palestinians is a huge part of the problem. How they educate their children is crucial.

      Israel is a tragedy . And that photo I linked to above goes against all the Israeli framing of the Palestinians, who are portrayed as monster, inhuman, barbarian, all the easier to kill them.

      Even if it became free tomorrow Palestine would be a mess. Years of pauperisation and brutality will do that. But the biggest losers in this whole mess are the people of Israel. They destroyed their society for YESHA . And they had so much going for themselves in 1967

    • What is sad about Israeli society, Shmuel, is the social engineering that was required to get that 95% approval for the summer carnage. Palestinians are as wonderful and as fu $$ ed up as people anywhere. Israelis by contrast are lost. They could become a normal society but it would be too damaging for the status quo.

    • 'Palestinians are human and capable of the entire range of human behaviour'[

      Palestinians seem to get a more rounded education, Shmuel. They are less likely to think the world hates them. That must have an impact on behavior.

    • Naftali Bennett famously accused the people of Gaza of self genocide recently. I accuse Zionists of self dehumanization via the following photo comparison

      1. The Palestinians, brimming with humanity

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      2 The poor lost bots, overflowing with hatred

  • 'Civility' is for dancing classes, not universities, and is tool of pro-Israel political operatives -- Franke
    • I think it's more like a controlled space slow social breakdown like Japan in the 1930s.
      If the brain had anything to do with it, it would not have been possible to turn Japan into a consumer state in the 1950s.

      Israel is running Holocaust iterations and they are coming to the core of Zionist logic now.

      "that pro-Palestinian ideas are out of place, or are misplaced."

      When the Nazis sent the entire patient population of the Appeldoorn jewish Mental hospital to Auschwitz they also sent their nurses to take care of the patients on the way. And when the train arrived at Auschwitz the nurses were sent with the patients to the gas chamber. Pro Jewish ideas and ideas about the care of Jews were out of place in Auschwitz.

    • The problem with Zionism is that it takes up too many evenings

    • Great feed, Dickerson

      Why do things we find beautiful undermine power ?

      link to

      I honestly don't think Americans are going to accept society Israel-style with 95% indoctrination and violence as the default social value.

      Nihilism has a limited shelf life. It's too intense to be viable long term.

      They can big up the threat from Islam but honestly, who do they think they are fooling?

      Americans have loads of space, live well away from the Middle East, were never conquered post 1780, not even in ww2, and they come into this century minus any major trauma.
      The conditions that gave rise to Israeli paranoia are very specific to Israel.

    • At the end she states,

      “I recommit to an uncivil university,” making a “solemn pledge to continue inciting a new generation of students that refuse an obedience to orthodoxy and threaten to disorder settled notions of belonging, dispossession and identity on this campus and in Israel/Palestine.”

      What an impressive lady . Compare to the Dersh, for example, and what he has done to his intellectual credibility for money.

      Mario Savio would recognize her courage

      link to

      There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop!

    • "Rigor is an academic norm. Making arguments backed by evidence is an academic norm. A willingness to reexamine our settled premises in the service of understanding a problem more fully and more carefully is an academic norm"

      The bots can't play "making arguments backed by evidence". they have nothing to say so they have to go back to teacher and whine about civility, as if there is any in the Occupied Territories.

      Another example of how desperate they are. It's top down, driven by rich donors and built on hypocrisy while the resistance is grassroots and runs on logic

  • Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and 'NYT' buries the news)
    • a year of peace and make sure you finish that desert

    • reporter Laurie Goodstein begins by saying that leftwing and rightwing rabbis are hesitant to bring the Klukluxklan up lest they divide their congregations.

      reporter Laurie Goodstein begins by saying that leftwing and rightwing rabbis are hesitant to bring Jeffrey Dahmer up lest they divide their congregations.

      "Rabbis who are critical of Israel’s action in Gaza are afraid to say so in their shuls because they are afraid of angering donors– even though younger members of their flock agree with them. -"

      the Jewish prison

  • What Max Blumenthal saw in Gaza
    • "And educated seculars always find one another"

      Don't even have to be educated. Humanity always finds connections. It could be the light in a curious child's eyes or the smile of an old guy smoking shisha.

      I think Gaza is the graveyard of a certain version of Judaism, the currently dominant version.
      What really protruded from all of the words written about Gaza this summer was how isolated Jews in denial actually are. The longer the carnage went on, the fewer supporters they had. And they couldn't fight it. They couldn't do anything.
      Oren couldn't cheer them up , Dersh was useless, Shmuley looked like the asshole he really is.

      And they just don't get it

      link to
      "The aggressive criticism in Europe of Israeli policy is neither anti-Semitism, nor is it a natural political reaction of people of conscience and sound morality. It is mainly a platform for people who are a good deal more interested in showing themselves than they are in showing the evils of the occupation. "

      Military reporter for awful Israel HaYom poses for grinning photo in front of bombed Gaza mosque (via @BarakRavid):

      Chemi Shalev @ChemiShalev • 6h
      Death toll of 10 soldiers in less than a day bound to cast dark cloud over Israelis' morning; most were not prepared for such a price

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg • 3h
      J Street supported Gaza war. It doesn't deserve to exist. link to via

      link to
      "Where are the rock stars expressing solidarity with Israel’s right to defend itself or pausing between songs to explain that every day is harrowing for Israeli civilians who are attacked by rockets and threatened by terror tunnels leading to their homes, playgrounds and streets? "

      Israel is descending into madness like Japan did in the 1930s. It must be all trauma driven.
      The pathology of Zionism. Another argument against the establishment of Israel- they should have been treated for Holocaust trauma before sending them anywhere.

  • Israel carries out extrajudicial killing of two Palestinians suspected in Israeli youths kidnapping
    • I got a rosh hashana message from Judaicawebstore.
      link to
      "what a year it's been. Israel continues to grow and prosper despite its numerous challenges reflective of the ultimate Jewish value, life itself"


      these guys wanted to sell me stuff to support the carnage in Gaza. What did that have to do with "the ultimate Jewish value" ?


    • It would be easy enough to bring nihilism into the picture Naftush. If you want to run an occupation you do have to look after the natives. Do you want ISIS to explain it to you ?

    • “Extrajudicial killings” -what were the American forces doing in taking out Osama Bin Laden?

      Abu Mazen gives you 3 years to GTFO of the OT. You can take your whataboutery and your sick justice (sic) system with you

      link to

    • If the Palestinians had guns would extrajudicial killings by them be acceptable, Jon ?

    • And Protective slaughter- did it bring back the 3 kids ?

    • The Qawasmah family are not going to take this lying down, I bet.
      YESHA only works as long as both sides play by the rules. There are too many settlers on the roads who think they belong there. It would be easy to kill them in numbers but this doesn't happen because a code is observed.

  • Israeli refuseniks expose Occupation’s dark underbelly
    • I think the minuscule number of Israeli dissenters means Israel is virtually guaranteed to collapse. In nature, diversity helps to protect. Monoculture is most exposed to tail risk.

  • Goldberg tries to police view that Israel's actions fuel anti-Semitism
    • "It’s always wrong to blame Jews for Israel’s abuses. -

      the concept of Birthright is very tricky , isn't it ?
      Why would people associate Jews in the diaspora with Zionism ?

      Is it supposed to be like a Fed put, with all the upside and none of the downside ?

  • Palestinian babies not included on Israel gov't list of most popular names
    • De facto if not de jure, Shmuel.

      There is no quality control in that area in Israel.
      Any rabbi can say whatever he wants to the Yediot Idiot or to the soldiers as they prepare to go into Gaza.

      It's very like Israel's attitude to international law.

    • It would SO embarrassing for the most popular name for a boy in Eretz Israel Hashlemah to be Muslim since Muslims do not count as fully human under rabbinic law.

    • I think I know why. Mohammed is the most popular boys' name amongst Muslims and ven in a country like the UK with a small Muslim population it comes in the top 20. It would probably be top 5 in Israel given that Jews are likely to choose from a wider range of names (Ari, Whiney, Needy, Sleepy, Dopey, Yossi etc )

  • Homegrown jihadis and the limits of the Israel lobby
    • Israel always says that the Middle East is a dirty neighborhood, a jungle, take no prisoners sort of area. And ISIS would probably say the same. It's not Chevy Chase, is it? It's the only language they know. It's for their own good.

    • And post Protective Slaughter we are supposed to believe that Israel is on our side? Why ?

    • Behind the guys with the knives is an army of administrators. They got Mosul's electricity sorted out in a few hours. They have serious money and resources behind them. They are more efficient than the US was in Iraq. No issues round loyalty in Iraq. They saw a problem with the Sunni population and they went for it and the Iraqi army was bought to run away.

      I don't like them but they are far more than their NYT coverage.
      And they know how to play Americans like a violin. They know where that foreign adventure G spot is and they tickle it like the pros they are.

      Behead 2 Yanks and 6 years of Obama stay at home no more wars dissolves in 2 days.

      link to

      "The Cook Political Report on Friday noted the return of the “security Mom”, voters once focused exclusively on domestic issues but who shifted after the 9/11 attacks to worry about the “safety” of their children in an unstable world.
      The turning point was the beheadings last month of two US journalists by members of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, or Isis. Once videos of their killings were posted on the internet by Isis, their deaths amounted to virtual public executions.
      Bill McInturff, a Republican-aligned pollster who along with a Democratic colleague conducts the closely watched Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, said the change in public opinion had been “sudden”. That poll showed 61 per cent of respondents thought military action against Isis was in America’s national interest.
      Although he admits it may be “harsh” to say, “when foreign policy matters, it is when American lives have been lost”.
      The beheadings had the biggest impact of any news story followed by Americans in the past five years of his polling. “This was a big deal,” he said."

      This is also a very good analysis

      link to

    • ISIS is very like the early Zionists- a well funded well armed well trained crowd of foreigners want to establish a state in the Middle East, using extreme violence against a disorganized Arab army.
      No interest in human rights, ends justifying means. Ask Ari Shavit.

    • Is beheading a few westerners as bad as murdering 500 children? I'm not sure.

  • Naive? At a Jewish spiritual retreat center, I insist on talking about Gaza
    • Another thing, Shmuel. Cultures do dumb down especially when a lot of thinkers leave and the values of the ignorant dominate. Sayed Kashua is the latest in a very long line. A lot of the people who could have enriched Israeli culture are living abroad now.

      I think about say Orthodox girls and what kind of cultural inspiration they are likely to get in monotone IDF YESHA Israel.

      Israeli culture doesn't seem particularly blessed with resilience. Maybe that's a better way of putting it.

    • Great comment, Shmuel

      I do think the culture is a big part of the problem. Trauma as well, obviously. But what is it in the educational system that overrides what kids inherit from their families about living a good life with respect for other people? Do you think it's all down to trauma ? It seems like the culture wasn't strong enough to show people another way.

      And yeah, of course there are deep aspects and Israel has poets and some great artists but at the height of the madness in July what was coming out with 95% approval was pathetic. And it's so hard for thinkers to stand up to that.

    • Invitation only, Gene. Sorry. You need to keep talking to your therapist and maybe when you are older if you make enough progress we could think about inviting you. But you have to engage first.

    • Mooser

      If the US army or the Russians ever have to, shall we say, mop up resistance to a peace deal in Israel/Palestine that involves maverick ex IDF it won't be pretty.

    • Maybe they are called filisteeni in Arabic and they don't need p.
      The ignorance is breathtaking.

    • German is a great language if you need to construct a word- they clip together - you can call anything a wahn/mania - eg Sausage + Wahn, Building + Wahn, Money + wahn
      Zionism is a Landwahn

    • Blood madness

      I would have expected someone like you to be able to stand back and take a nuanced view of the madness that Israel went through in July but 95% is pretty comprehensive so even people like you were roped in .

      July 18, 2014, 7:45 am We are hoping and praying for the safety of our soldiers, in battle with a vicious enemy and for the innocent civilians on both sides. - See more at: link to

      No awareness of why Gaza might want to lose the occupation or what sort of PR damage Israel was doing to itself.

    • Jon

      "On the post itself, it’s always amazing how the extremists on both sides echo and mirror each other. The Jewish man who wants to get rid of the Palestinians mirrors the Palestinians who would like to see us gone… -"

      Your descent into Blutwahn during July was fascinating . Most people just want to see Israelis living in peace with Palestinians but Israeli society will have to be reformatted for that to happen. It would be far better if you stayed- otherwise you'll bring the same crap to wherever you go next.

    • Shmuel

      Take another settler colonial society with an invented identity- Ulster Unionists- and look at what happens when the memes break down after the natives gain their rights.

      Israel has a massive identity crisis coming up. Who exactly are Israeli Jews and can they be Israeli without going to war every 4 years ?

      I think language has a lot to do with how issues are framed and how ideas are shared.

      And if Israeli culture were deeper maybe it would have been able to withstand the encroachment of the right wing IDF/settler Weltanschauung into most of the important areas of Israeli public life.

      When it all goes tits up the Israeli Jewish people will still be there but what sort of identity will they have ?

    • It's very interesting to listen to people like Hass and Finkelstein talk about the influence their parents had on their thinking and compare it to the 95% of Israelis who supported the last round of carnage in Gaza. It must be related to how Israelis are educated . Because how did 95% of the people become so indoctrinated that they can't see beyond the Hebrew bubble?

      If you think it's not the Hebrew issue- what is it? Is it a specifically Jewish insularity problem? My guess is that the language has a lot to do with it. Israel is so out of touch with the rest of the world.

      No cultural continuity and a lot of stuff was made up on the spot in the 20s and 30s. Zionism is full of shit. It has to be in order to run apartheid successfully.

      The overwhelming belief in violence as the answer to Israel's systematic problems. What exactly is the problem in Israeli culture and where does it come from? Answers on a postcard.

    • link to

      "In _Teaching as a Subversive Activity_ (1969), Neil Postman
      and Charles Weingartner argued that "crap detectors" have
      played a key role in history:

      One way of looking at the history of the human
      group is that it has been a continuing struggle
      against the veneration of 'crap.' Our
      intellectual history is a chronicle of the anguish
      and suffering of men(and women) who tried to help their
      contemporaries see that some part of their fondest
      beliefs were misconceptions, faulty assumptions,
      superstitions, and even outright lies. (p. 3)."

      Would it be possible for Lynn to rise above the barbs and do something that recognizes just how crap Zionism has become ? Forget about what the bots say- just stay focused and try to show them how deluded they are . No need to even mention palestinians.

      I like the idea of sitting shiva for tikkun olam . It would make a great workshop.

    • If I were Lynne Lopez S I would take a different tack with the morons. I wouldn't say anything about Gaza. I'd just talk about hypocrisy and the difficulty of inner peace while harboring feelings of hatred

      When a man finds no peace within himself it is useless seeking it elsewhere, as they say in France.

    • This "spiritual" defence of barbarism reminds me of an interaction between Shavit and Levy on Israeli TV

      link to

      Shavit: Gideon, You want a secular, democratic state. You’re worse than the extremists among the Palestinians.
      Levy: Terrific. OK. Perfect. Anti-Semite.
      Shavit: And this is a kind of anti-Semitism, an unwillingness to recognize the right of the Jewish people to self-determination.
      Levy: [Just] say Nazi.
      Shavit: No, this is an extreme anti-Israeli approach that you spread like poison around the world. And then you call it demagoguery. This is demagoguery of the worst kind, your demagoguery.
      Levy: I’m a little tired of Ari Shavit. Who tries to have it all. It is … I want to refresh people’s memory, once and for all. We came to a country inhabited by another people.

      Margalit: Oh, delegitimizing of Israel. We understand.
      Shavit: Then let’s leave. That’s why you’re not worried about Iran, because you agree with Ahmedinejad. You think we should go back to Austria. That’s what you’re saying.
      Levy: [Just say] Adolf Hitler.

      Israel has a particularly shallow culture- they ensured that when they dropped everything in favour of a dead language and moved to a land virtually none of them had any familiarity with.

      India has a much more resilient culture with far more real life experience to fall back on

      "The four standard methods for dealing with conflict : conciliation, placating with gifts, sowing dissension and using force. It is easier to employ a method earlier in the order than a later one . Placating with gifts is twice as hard as conciliation: sowing dissension is three times as hard and use of force four times as hard."

      Kautilya, the Arthashastra

      " One must always be vigilant, without a moment's carelessness, against the eight sins that the mind perpetrates

      Kamam or craving
      Krodham or anger
      Lobham or greed
      Moham or attachment
      Pride "

      Man's primary duty is toi keep all these things at a safe distance from himself"

      Sai baba

      China too

      "Those who assist a leader by means of the Tao do not use arms to coerce the world, for these things tend to reverse - brambles grow where an army has been, bad years follow a great war.

      Weapons are inauspicious instruments, not the tools of the enlightened. When there is no choice but to use them, it is best to be calm and free from greed, and not to celebrate victory. Those who celebrate victory are bloodthirsty, and the bloodthirsty cannot have their way with the world"

      Sun Tzu

      Even the US

      "The first peace, which is the most important, is that which comes within the souls of people when they realize their relationship, their oneness with the universe and all its power, and when they realize that at the centre of the universe dwells the great spirit and that this centre is really everywhere, it is within each of us"

      Black Elk

      Poor Judaism. So lost.

      Zionism was just one big inherent mistake.

  • The rabbi at the shitshow
    • "For 47 years this imaginary left has been keeping its fingers crossed for the occupation. It’s not that it supports it, heaven forbid, but haste (and extremism) is from the devil. In fact, this left perpetuates the occupation; it’s the pretty face that stands behind it. - "

      It stands side by side with the imaginary brigades of Progressive Jews of the USA

    • "BDS is annoying, but will amount to nothing of note. If you study,BDS had very little to do,either time change in SA."

      Complacency combined with Jewish smugness can be so dangerous

      link to

      "Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said on Thursday the credit crisis had exceeded anything he had imagined and admitted he was wrong to think that banks would protect themselves from financial market chaos.

      I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organisations, specifically banks and others, was such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders,” he said.

      Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, defended himself, saying that virtually no one had foreseen the meltdown of the mortgage market, or the inadequacy of banking capital standards in preventing the collapse of institutions such as Bear Stearns."

    • Israel has previous on destruction of charity for Gaza- second flotilla I think and there are probably more cases. they also trash Gaza exports- It's is a cruel, inhuman system they run there. They hate Gaza because it reminds them of 1948 and what they did and the early 40s and what Jews did not do

      link to
      The anonymous soldier in Barnea’s article also recounts a similar event prior to the Shujaiya massacre:
      We got close to Kibbutz Nahal Oz and then they gathered us together. You know how it is in the army - when told to gather, you gather. Waiting for us was a bunch of Breslev Hasidic Jews singing “Messiah, Messiah,” dancing and bouncing around. We formed a circle around them, and a bunch of fighters danced with them in ecstasy
      Israel’s ground assault on the Gaza Strip began late on Thursday 17 July, with tanks receiving orders “to open fire at anything that moved.” Over the next few days, the Shujaiya district of Gaza City was subjected to intense and indiscriminate bombardment, including 600 shells fired by an artillery battalion and 100 one-ton bombs dropped from the air.
      Rontzki’s speech to Israeli soldiers recalls his time as Israeli army chief rabbi, when, in 2009, he told religious students that troops who “show mercy” towards the enemy in wartime will be “damned.” During Israel’s so-called “Operation Cast Lead” massacre in 2008-09, the army rabbinate under his leadership distributed inflammatory publications that referred to the massacre as “a war on murderers.”
      Rontzki was one of the founding members of Itamar, a fanatical Israeli settlement colony near Nablus, where has also led a yeshiva, or religious seminary."

    • They are so scared of BDS.
      The mask will be removed and everyone will see what has become of organised Judaism.

    • Aliyah (going up) is no longer an appropriate word to describe moving to Israel, a failing state run by sociopaths.

    • There has to be some outlet in Jewish society for the feelings of people who know that what Israel is doing is wrong. Otherwise Zionism is going to sink .
      There is just too much difference now between the original Hillel and the modern Hillel and the money can't hide it any more.

    • Zero self awareness

      link to

      "Anti-Islamic ads will begin appearing on 100 New York City buses and two subway entrances next week, but transit officials have rejected an ad from the same group that includes the phrase "Killing Jews."

      The six approved ads show an image of beheaded American journalist James Foley standing next to his killer.

      The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by blogger Pamela Geller. She says the campaign highlights points about Islam ignored by government and media. "

      And nobody says anything

    • link to

      Clif Brown says:
      July 29, 2014 at 11:57 pm

      What gives value to Judaic ethics over the centuries was made possible by the inability to be the power in the world or in any region. This denial allowed the maintenance of an ethos distinct from might makes right. It could not be corrupted because it was prevented from tasting the apple of power. The alternative to utter despair under continual oppression was keeping the faith, for otherwise the suffering would have been meaningless.
      Now the apple of power is being eagerly devoured and my impression is that if questions of ethics from the Judaic tradition were posed to most Israelis, the answer might be, “what the hell are you talking about?!” And yet there is a remnant that is closely held – the idea of being the victim, even in the absence of any oppressor…it is like an empty shell…a container with no content…carrying the ark with no covenant inside and no understanding that anything should be inside. Or perhaps a better analogy is that the ark was dropped and nobody noticed.

    • They will say anything for money. The incentives are all wrong.

    • "Donors" AKA plutocrats and the major orgs like Hillel decide everything even if as now the hasbara is nonsense. And something about Jewish culture keeps most people in line.
      Part of the pathology of Zionism.

      link to

      “I can’t talk to you until this conflict is over,” one relative writes me. I don’t know if she’s joking. Except I haven’t heard from her.
      One of my Jewish writer groups becomes about responding to “anti-Israel commenters,” and not about writing.
      I have to get off of Facebook. I feel so alone.
      I remember feeling this way before Iraq. I did not believe there were WMDs. I did not think the invasion was a good idea. I did not want my boss at the Jewish paper – a super liberal guy – to write an editorial in favor of the war. He did.
      I remember this feeling from the last Israeli incursion into Lebanon. It seemed like a bad idea, but saying so publicly seemed to be an even worse idea. For a few weeks, that is, until most other people came around.
      “We just have to wait it out,” my husband says now, noting how history vindicates liberal positions. He doesn’t oppose rooting out Hamas, just the Israeli victim mentality that accompanies it. I know he feels even lonelier than I do, one of the last card-carrying Meretz Israelis left in America.
      Will everyone else come around on this subject?
      From the pictures of the recent pro-Israel rally at the United Nations, I doubt it. But I don’t need them to come around. I just wish I was allowed to express a different opinion without being called naïve, simple or a self-hating Jew.
      All my life I was taught that the beauty of Judaism is that it’s vibrant, open to debating many different opinions. I wonder if that was ever true.
      And in the end, I wonder if any of it matters – what we post on Facebook, what we comment on others’ posts, all our mindless social media chatter.
      Some pundits say that the court of public opinion is the war. If so, we Jewish liberals are the casualties. "

    • no more silent consent or loud indifference

      link to

    • This discussion really belongs in "US politics" (aka the ongoing crisis in Judaism).
      Leshaw is a prominent example but the issue is far deeper than just her case and the impossibility of speaking coherently about Israel.

      link to

      "“I hear a lot of pain over the current tension between the terrible, terrible things that are happening to people in Gaza,” says Rabbi Amy Schwartzman of Virginia’s Temple Rodef Shalom, “and the feeling that Israel needs to defend itself.”
      “Judaism has a moral standard…. When that morality is compromised, we need to talk about it publicly.”
      The frequent unwillingness to do just that – not to mention the vitriol with which such questions are often greeted – has meant that for many the only option is silence, or anonymity.
      A recent college graduate who asked not to be identified says: “There definitely is this huge discomfort and shame…. The past month has been really difficult. There’s really huge tension where I’ve felt like, ‘where the hell do I go?’”
      Unlike some who say they aren’t going to synagogue right now “because I don’t want to deal with what I’ll hear” (as one person put it), this young woman attended services on a recent Friday night “because I was feeling really emotionally torn.... But also out of curiosity, I didn’t know what [my rabbi] would say.”
      “Then the rabbi was saying all these things about peace, but never said the words ‘Palestinians’ or ‘Gaza’.” Ultimately the congregation was urged to attend a pro-Israel rally.
      Rabbi Jill Jacobs, Executive Director of T’ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights, reports that soon after the upsurge in hostilities, a donor with strong Israel ties told her that his children “don’t want anything to do with Israel, and they don’t necessarily want anything to do with Judaism”; at about the same time, a woman who grew up in “a very strong Jewish community” told Jacobs that “her social values aren’t lining up with what she’s seeing coming out of Israel.”
      “I think the Jewish community has just been so tone-deaf about this,” she goes on. “It’s completely tone deaf to what’s in people’s minds.”
      Another anonymous speaker, who’s worked in the organized Jewish community for years, says that “with the younger generation… their set of values is one that’s based in universal justice, tolerance of the other, particularly of the disenfranchised.”
      He adds: “Here they look at a situation where there is a dissonance… and the dissonance is deepening all the time.”
      Even those who haven’t witnessed a pulling away from Israel or the community report what Rabbi Peter Knobel, rabbi emeritus of Beth Emet The Free Synagogue in Illinois called “frustration and a tremendous amount of pain… I think what people are looking for is something to give them hope and they’re beginning to despair that this is a permanent problem.”

    • "To the wicked, everything serves as pretext." ~ Voltaire

      link to Lerner @LTCPeterLerner • 5h
      #Gaza terrorists launched rockets that smashed within the Strip near Shifa hospital. Nothing todo with #IDF!

      Leshaw either supports this or she doesn't. There's no trangulation afterwards.
      Israel is very, very unwell.
      Gatekeepers like Leshaw should get out of the way. Israel needs a mom who can take over and bring the kid to a medical facility where it may have to spend the next decade. That Ziocaine abuse is really hard to deal with within the community.

    • Israel has been morphing for some time . The pathology of its descent into the final destructive form is very like the process by which a man becomes a paedophile.

      link to

      "Jim Gamble, the founding head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said there was a theory that men such as Bridger and Hazell became caught up in a "spiral of abuse"."They begin to want more, they want access not to still images but to video images, and then they want to get more real experience."

      You think one example like the Abu Khdeir murder is the pits , that it can't get any worse, but you have to take the longer view, that the process that drives the behavior is not yet finished because the people who run the model are still iterating away.

      July was an important step in the descent but by no means the end.
      you must be so proud.

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