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I wonder where the struggle between universal human rights and - “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel” is headed "Either we are all sacred or none of us is" Paul Fourhorns Tenoso

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  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • Ban Ki Moon on no going back to status quo
      He means US foreign policy wrt the Palestinians too
      All those know nothing talking heads like Dan Senor...

      Scott Atran: 'US foreign policy is set by people who've almost no insight into human welfare, education, labour, desires or hopes'

      wa nuss

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    • I think a lot of diplomats agree with him on the root causes. The status quo has to go.

      It can't be whatever Israel wants.

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      "UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon tells Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon: "I appreciate Israel's security concerns. You need to protect your people from rockets and I strongly condemn the rocket fire. But your military response is causing many civilian casualties. I hope we will be able to see the end of this violence as soon as possible."

      "My message during this visit was first, stop the violence immediately. Second, return to dialogue, and third, we need to address the root causes of this conflict. Returning to the status quo will not bring a solution." "


      " Germany's Foreign Ministry says it appears that a German-Palestinian family has been killed in Gaza.

      German media reports have identified the family as a Palestinian couple and their five children who all carry German passports. The reports says all seven were killed in a recent air strike by the Israeli army. (AP) "

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      "Bei den israelischen Angriffen kam auch eine siebenköpfige Familie mit deutscher Staatsangehörigkeit um. Der 53-jährige Ibrahim al-Kilani aus Beit Lahia im nördlichen Teil des Palästinensergebiets sowie seine 47-jährige Frau Taghrid und fünf Kinder im Alter von 4 bis 12 Jahren seien unter den Toten, bestätigten die Rettungsbehörden am Dienstag in Gaza. Die Familie sei am Montagabend bei einem Luftangriff auf ein Gebäude in der Stadt Gaza getötet worden. Der Ingenieur habe 20 Jahre lang in Deutschland gelebt und in der Zeit auch die Staatsangehörigkeit für sich und seine Angehörigen erworben, sagte ein Familienmitglied in Gaza. "Wir müssen aufgrund mehrfacher Hinweise davon ausgehen, dass es sich bei den Toten um diese Familie handelt", sagte eine Sprecherin des Auswärtigen Amts am Dienstag in Berlin."

    • Hamas is basically the son of the Nazis for Zionist Jews. And its mother is Amalek.

      There is no nice way to shift Israel from its comfortable intransigence

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      "The current situation is preferable in the eyes of everyone crowded into the center and worried about the danger of changing direction. No matter how bad the current situation is, a sharp turn creates a fear of the unknown.
      Everyone has gotten used to the occupation. Many in the center are disgusted by the daily violence, the cruelty to civilians, the children who are shot for the “self-defense” of soldiers wearing bulletproof vests and armed head to toe. But no one speaks up and draws conclusions.
      All the young Labor and Yesh Atid MKs who ostensibly are leftists — or were leftists in their previous careers in the media — keep silent. If only we could say they’ve been bought off with money and favors. But they’re not corrupt or greedy, they’re just helpless. The disaster of Israeli society is that this is the human material that goes into politics"

    • Which is linked to this

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      "The foreign ministers of Germany, France and Italy have condemned what they say is a rise in anti-Semitism in their countries amid protests against the conflict in Gaza. From AP:

      In a joint statement the ministers said Tuesday that "anti-Semitic rhetoric and hostility against Jews, attacks on people of Jewish belief and synagogues have no place in our societies".

      While the ministers say they respect freedom of speech, they say they will do everything possible to fight "acts and statements that cross the line to anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia"."

      Synagogue in Belfast attacked twice as well.

      Zionism is turning into an absolutely massive clusterfuck.

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014
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      "Travelling to beautiful seaside San Diego from Jenin or Jerusalem would ordinarily be a huge treat. But right now, for Mariam, Ayala and other Palestinian and Israeli teenagers participating in the Hands of Peace dialogue program, being far from home is excruciating.
      “It’s been a hard day for me,” 18-year-old Mariam, who is from a religious Muslim family in Jenin, in the West Bank, tells Haaretz in a Skype interview. “Reading posts on Facebook about children and people dying. My mom just called me. The fact that people are dying and no one is doing anything about it ...” Her voice trails off and she begins to cry quietly. "

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  • Mr. Modi-- do not court apartheid Israel in my name
    • Modi is the same as the bots. He hates Islam.
      Palestinians have no right to be in Erez Israel and for Savaks Muslims should all go to Pakistan.
      Ayodhya is the BJP's version of the third temple.

      Modi is like an Indian clone of Netanyahu from the "business genius" bullshit down to the ethnic rabble rousing, the vitriol and the incitement.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis
    • Israel is first and foremost a money racket for a privileged group.
      This airline news is seismic. Think of all the years of anal israeli airport security, the systematic humiliation of palestinian flyers, the requirement to roll up 3 hours pre flight, the ignorance of the staff, the intimidation and now suddenly gaza blows a hole in their whole link to the outside world. Way bigger than capturing a soldier. Air france and delta essentially told bibi he no longer can guarantee security in tel aviv.Couldn't happen to a more deserving despot.

    • Why are they more concerned ?

      Because business is economic growth and the Israeli housing market could crash if things get out of hand. Business is really serious. It is one of the main cards holding the whole structure up. Even more serious than whatever crap Bibi says in congress.

    • Maybe the Israeli business community will call a halt to the madness. Business is business, after all

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      " International airlines halted flights to and from Israel indefinitely on Tuesday, citing security concerns in an unexpected twist to the two-week-old conflict in Gaza.
      Delta was the first carrier to halt flights to and from Israel after diverting a flight carrying 273 passengers bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport to Paris following “reports of a rocket or associated debris near the airport in Tel Aviv”. The Federal Aviation Administration halted all flights by US-based airlines to and from Israel, a move followed by Air France and Dutch airline KLM.
      A spokesperson for Air France announced the airline had suspended all flights due to the “evolution of the security situation in Israel”. “The decision ... will come into effect immediately and remain until further notice,” he added.
      The surprise decision is likely to alarm the Israeli government and business community who have so far seen relatively few economic repercussions from the conflict. It will doubtless deliver a substantial blow to the tourism industry – the one sector that has already suffered during the conflict."

      Zionism has always had this extreme vulnerability to the intervention of reality to its grandiose plans to subjugate the Palestinians. In many ways it's like a real life Tweety Pie cartoon with the IDF as Sylvester

    • Goy airlines refusing to fly to Eretz Israel Hashlemah is serious shit.

      The Dersh weighs in with a premium rant
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      "Hamas’s decision to fire rockets in the direction of Ben-Gurion Airport may well have ended any real prospect of a two-state solution. Whether the regulators and airlines that have stopped flights to and from Israel link to are right or wrong, this stoppage cannot possibly be tolerated by a democratic country that relies so heavily on tourism and international travel

      The international community, which has a significant stake in protecting international air traffic from terrorist rocket attacks, must support Israel’s efforts to stop these attacks—permanently. If Hamas is allowed to shut down Israel’s major airport, every terrorist group in the world will begin to target airports throughout the world. The shooting down of the Malaysian airliner over the Ukraine will be but one of many such tragedies, if Hamas is allowed to succeed. An attack on the safety on Israel’s airport is an attack on the safety of all international aviation. Israel is the canary in the mine. What Hamas has done to Israeli aviation is a warning to the world. In its efforts to prevent Hamas from firing rockets at Ben-Gurion Airport, Israel is fighting for the entire civilized world against those who would shoot down civilian airliners. The world should support Israel in this noble fight, and in the process help preserve any realistic chance for a two-state solution. "

      The Dersh is clearly demented.
      Basically the Palestinians either risk death in a series of noble massacres to restore "deterrence" or else get apartheid.

    • He could prolly get Congress to fly in sympathy

      but Dick and Jane are not going to be expected to risk their asses for him, not after last week.

      Another MH17 would be the end of a few airlines. And that is more important than Zionism, frankly. Many things are.

      The only way to get the rockets to stop without a deal is to ratchet up the civilian deaths to 2 or 3 thousand + and try to crush Hamas. His room for manoeuvre on that is also severely restricted.

    • There seems to be a high correlation between white skin colour and Zionism. Who wouldathunk ?

    • Maxi

      Iron Dome is a waste of time. It's not good enough to protect apartheid.
      The only way Israel can guarantee the airways is to decide on peace.

      The way things are going in the Middle East now with water and general political failure , if the bots don't do the decent thing now they are going to get ISIS or some variation of 10th century wars of attrition down the road.

      And if others start lobbing missiles into Greater Tel Aviv the IDF won't be able to do much. Dropping the laws of war and the Geneva conventions (how did the Newseum put it ? "Terrorism has altered the landscape in many areas, including the rules of war and engagement, law, investigative and interrogation techniques, and the detention of enemy combatants") cuts both ways. There will be no quarter given.

      It is building into a catastrophe.

      They really do not have any more time to pussy around.

    • I think it's cos MH17 went down last week and Hamas hit a house near Tel Aviv with a rocket, Walid.
      BG airport is the only connection the Shtetl on the Med has to the world.

    • David Gardner in the FT

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      "Paradoxically, Israel wants to weaken but not overthrow Hamas – the cynical military expression is “mowing the lawn”. For beyond Hamas lies the unbridled savagery of movements such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), which already has followers in Gaza and the Palestinian refugee camps up and down the eastern Mediterranean that serve as universities of jihad.

      The blockade of Gaza by Israel, and now by Egypt, has turned it into a vast, open-air prison, in which Hamas is the warder. The siege increases its power. The tunnel network it uses to arm itself and keep some semblance of an economy alive is so much bigger than previously assumed that one Israeli army spokesman called it Lower Gaza. It would be so much easier to monitor traffic into Gaza if the borders were reopened on top. This would mean accepting the Fatah-Hamas unity deal – subject to an end to violence – with the Palestinian Authority policing the frontier. But all that would require real negotiations on a Palestinian state. Without that, the wolf of Isis will appear at Israeli and Palestinian doors sooner or later, turning these futile contests almost into wistful memories. "

    • This is interesting

    • Yes Sumud but it's Messianism and history is over and it's Eretz Israel Hashlemah, the perfection of man and government

    • Israel is worse off now than it was 2 weeks ago. The occupation has finally gone onto Yossi Israeli's balance sheet. Burston explains

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      "Much of Israel is in quiet mourning over an unthinkable possibility: That this horrible reality is the way things are going to be, off and on, forever.
      Having exacted horrific, if largely unintended, civilian casualties, Israel cannot simply opt for the application of ever greater force.
      But with a government divided in its goals and held at permanent gunpoint by the hard right, our leaders offer neither hope nor new ideas"

      There was a piece about Moshe Dayan and Gaza in Haaretz recently

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      “Let us take stock with ourselves. We are a generation of settlement and without the steel helmet and the gun’s muzzle we will not be able to plant a tree and build a house. Let us not fear to look squarely at the hatred that consumes and fills the lives of hundreds of Arabs who live around us. Let us not drop our gaze, lest our arms weaken. That is the fate of our generation. That is our choice – to be ready and armed, tough and hard – or else the sword shall fall fro our hands and our lives will be cut short.”

      They were ready and armed, tough and hard, very hard, cruel bastards really, followed Jabotinsky in detail but Jabotinsky was wrong. Because the other side can get some weapons, not quite as high tech, and they can apply the same logic of pain that Israel does.

      So Saturday marked the failure of Jabotinsky thinking.
      And that's a BIG loss for Israel. Israelis as losers.

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      " Can I feel sorry for myself as well as for my enemy? Surely I can. For the sorrow springs from the same source: their failure to bring back with them to the homeland that beautiful and ideal dream in which the space where they flourish leaves the same, or enough space for me. "

      Gaza wants that space

    • Is was wondering if that mightn't have been an attempt by the Yanks to pull Israel in line and throw Hamas a few ceasefire concessions .

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war
    • Lucy Aharish is a Palestinian TV anchor on Israeli TV
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      "The previous day, Benzi Gopstein – a merry Israeli trouper from Kiryat Arba in the West Bank – was a guest on the current-affairs program she hosts on Channel 2 (“Sihat Hayom” – “Talk of the Day”). Gopstein expounded his doctrine about Arabs’ place in Israeli society (according to him, they have none) and argued with the members of the panel, with the elephant standing right there in the room – in this case, the program host, an Arab woman, who sat there, doing a slow burn until she reached boiling point.

      On Monday, Aharish began her program with a calm, well-considered monologue. When reality-show refugee Dan Manu tried to defend Gopstein’s appearance, Aharish pulled out all the stops, releasing the feelings she had kept inside for so long.

      “Do you know what it’s like to be a minority in this country? I hope you never find out what it’s like to be a minority,” she told him, and shared some of the experiences of a person living between two societies and feeling like a hated stranger in each of them. "

      Go female Palestinian journos!

    • There is of course the religious angle to the butchery

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      It had to be Fox, didn't it ?

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      "O God, do not remain silent;
      do not turn a deaf ear,
      do not stand aloof, O God.
      See how your enemies growl,
      how your foes rear their heads.

      With cunning they conspire against your people;
      they plot against those you cherish.

      “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
      so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”

      With one mind they plot together;
      they form an alliance against you—

      the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
      of Moab and the Hagrites,

      Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
      Philistia, with the people of Tyre.

      Even Assyria has joined them
      to reinforce Lot’s descendants.[b]

      Do to them as you did to Midian,
      as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,

      who perished at Endor
      and became like dung on the ground.

      Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
      all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,

      who said, “Let us take possession
      of the pasturelands of God.”

      Make them like tumbleweed, my God,
      like chaff before the wind.

      As fire consumes the forest
      or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
      so pursue them with your tempest
      and terrify them with your storm.
      Cover their faces with shame, Lord,
      so that they will seek your name.

      May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
      may they perish in disgrace.

      Let them know that you, whose name is the Lord—
      that you alone are the Most High over all the earth."

      a.Psalm 83:1 In Hebrew texts 83:1-18 is numbered 83:2-19.
      b.Psalm 83:8 The Hebrew has Selah (a word of uncertain meaning) here.

    • Mark Regev vs Jon Snow 2014

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      "France's foreign minister said on Tuesday that the 600 person death toll in Gaza was not acceptable and that Israel had to immediately stop "the massacres and attacks", Reuters reports:

      "It was not acceptable that a country was threatened by missiles and that missiles landed on it, but the response must be proportionate," Laurent Fabius told TF1 television.

      "When we are talking about 600 dead, it is obviously something that we can't accept. The massacres and attacks must stop immediately." "

    • Marie Barf
      That is really appalling

    • "Third, in these spaces Israel is losing the propaganda war, despite its vast resources of trolls and misinformation experts."

      There just aren't enough trained bots to turn social media on message.
      As Brzezinski said "The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream." And social media proves that, at least in terms of hasbara.

      Lots of 'neutral' people are interested in Gaza and most in Europe at least are sickened by Israel's murderousness. And the hasbara is hopeless. It doesn't help at all.

  • Gaza onslaught is p.r. problem for Israel's 'moral authority' -- Albright
    • True but everyone who flew out of Jewish Disneyland on a foreign plane in recent days and was expecting to go home by the end of the week is inconvenienced. And Israel won't budge on Hamas' conditions. So the foreign airlines may not return for some time.
      And that's not good for business. El al will jack up prices.
      And it's high tourist season , when Israeli hotels make 40% of their profits.
      And it's a war of choice for Israel.

    • Haaretz is in war mode. There is a lot of spin in the articles.
      Israel is weaker now than it was before the 3 teenagers were kidnapped.

      Their only air link to the outside world is compromised FFS. Yossi Israeli can't go on holiday.

      Did Jon S fly to the States? Maybe he won't be able to fly back. He might have to return via the
      Allenby crossing, behind all the Palestinians LOL.

    • I thought dbroncos's post was really good
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      "God bless Hamas. They're fighting as best they can against American tax payer financed F-16s, Apache gunships, armed drones, tanks and professional soldiers. They're fighting not because they want to but because common decency demands it. Living year after year under the racist Zionist yoke is unbearable. Let the voices of those of us who are protesing all over the world ring in the ears of brave Hamas fighters, who are little more than a citizen soldier malitia and who are risking their lives and paying the ultimate price for the cause of freedom. Hamas may not win the battle but Palestinians will win the war for liberation."

    • Madeleine (500,000 dead Iraqis) Albright is hardly in a position to talk about moral authority. She's another Jew who lost family members in the Holocaust who went over to the dark side.

      Zionism traded Jewish diaspora moral authority (however deluded) for political power . And they liked the guns so they dumped the moral stuff altogether.

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      "Yeshayahu Leibowitz ....wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.” "

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre
    • No class. That was my first impression of Eilat as well.

    • "The rebels take to the hills and leave their homes."

      That was 1948. They were just ordinary people. Most were forced out.
      Actually now in Israel it's like a repeat- all the decent ones are being forced out by the headcases.

      And their leader
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      "Netanyahu followed by saying what we are seeing from Hamas is an example of Islamic extremism. He compared them to Isis, Hezbollah and Boko Haram. Netanyahu said that the Islamist group does not want a two-state solution.
      In the face of such terror Israel has no option but to defend itself ...We will do what we have to do to defend ourselves"

      What a sick individual
      Do what they want to delegitimise themselves, more like .
      He's really ratcheting up attacks on Jews in Europe.

    • BBC Arabic reporter attacked while on air by Yossi Israeli

    • It's a very emotional time, all the bad news, the dominance of evil narratives, the ongoing suffering of a brutalized people mixed with the hope that their hell will come to an end.

    • Listening to the National, thinking of all the people in Gaza.
      I hardly know them . Hope they are staying alive . I have arms for them

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  • Burning children
    • They have no consistency in the hasbara. First Hamas killed everyone and now the IDF acted with restraint.

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      "Israel's ambassador to the US, Ron Dermer, has reportedly said that the Israeli army should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for its “unimaginable restraint” in Gaza.

      Dermer was addressing the Christians United for Israel Summit in Washington and, despite some heckling, his speech was "warmly received", according to the Times of Israel. It quotes him as saying:

      Some are shamelessly accusing Israel of genocide and would put us in the dock for war crimes. But the truth is that the Israeli Defence Forces should be given the Nobel Peace Prize… a Nobel Peace Prize for fighting with unimaginable restraint."

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice
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      "Al-Jazeera has said that Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, who made inflammatory comments about the broadcaster yesterday, bears responsibility for the safety of its crews after two warning shots were fired at its Gaza office, Haaretz reports.

      A rocket has hit a house in Tel Aviv."

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      "Celebrities from Selena Gomez to Mia Farrow a-Twitter with sympathy for Gaza
      Clearly, it’s far more fashionable for stars to show concern about the Gaza’s plight conflict than to argue Israel’s position."

  • Ramallah, July 20 and 21
    • Amira Hass from last week
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      “Lack of faith” is the common explanation for why the demonstrations do not spread. A leftist activist who went to the demonstration Wednesday suggested that her daughter join here. The daughter – “much more extreme than I am,” according to her mother – refused. She said: “don’t believe that the demonstrations will achieve anything and that the price we’ll pay for clashing with the soldiers – injured, dead – is worth it.” The Palestinian Authority and its agencies have a schizophrenic, confusing discourse: on the one hand speeches and denouncements of the occupation and on the other hand, habituation to its dictates. The PA’s official radio station is playing these days of military conflict militant music about martyrs and liberation, while the security agencies continue to oppress Hamas activists. On Wednesday night, members of the Preventive Security force stopped the Palestine Today TV channel from broadcasting live shots of Palestinian police forcibly breaking up a demonstration of young people in Jenin who were trying to reach the military checkpoint.
      Such leadership does not inspire the faith that can lead an uprising if one breaks out. “For a popular struggle against the occupation, that people are talking about all the time, a strategy is needed, a plan and patience,” says Ifaf Ghatasheh, a member of the political bureau of the Palestinian People’s Party (formerly the Palestinian Communist Party). But there is no faith that the current leadership of the PLO, headed by Mahmoud Abbas, wants or is able to lay out such a strategy not now, and not without far-reaching changes that will take a long time.
      Under Abbas, a style of authoritarian rule has been created, in which he makes decisions almost alone, without taking other positions in Fatah and the PLO into consideration and without consulting people who are more in tune with the public than the advisors around him, particularly intelligence chief Majid Faraj. If he would consult others, he would hear from some of them from the beginning of the escalation that on the one hand he should support Hamas’ demand for international guarantees for the ceasefire and on the other hand, he should talk about the obligation to avoid more bloodshed and destruction.
      There is an outrageous contrast between Abbas’ role as a level-headed statesman who is discussing a ceasefire today, and the public disparagement of his abilities and the attitude to him as a tyrant. His logical and humane position and the great suffering must stop is perceived by many as another link in his policy of “subcontractor” for the occupation. This interpretation screams of a lack of faith.
      Along with this goes a lack of faith in the entire political system, which is still torn by the rivalry and animosity between Hamas and Fatah, which has grown stronger over the past month. Fatah as a rule does not show solidarity with Gaza. Fatah cannot denounce Hamas rocket fire publicly because at this point the popular support for the rocket fire (especially as a symbol of Palestinian resilience in the face of Israeli power) is broad. Fatah cannot support the rocket fire openly because this will clash with Abbas’ position and will reveal that Hamas is indeed winning in the contest over who is a more patriotic, worthy and successful leader.
      When the Palestinians have so many reasons for their lack of faith in their leadership, the geographical disconnect also affects the ability of the protests to spread. The Palestinian enclaves that Israel created in the West Bank and East Jerusalem experience the occupation differently, with varying degrees of severity. Thus the Israeli policy of suppression is expressed differently in each enclave. And responses to it develop in each enclave. Absent a strategy and faith in the leadership, the responses remain local and limited."

      Maybe Gaza will change the dynamic.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship
  • Jews must take action against Israeli brutality
    • I'm with Mooser on this. Israel is not Judaism's responsibility. But it's going to get the repercussions.

    • Things have come to a very sorry pass when there is a need for a group calling itself Jews Against Genocide .

      there are Jews against circumcision, prejudice, racism, war, Obama, human trafficking etc but Jews against Genocide is really saying something.

  • Dear American media, I’m asking you to simply tell what’s happening in Gaza
    • 10,000 Israelis die every year from smoking related illnesses.
      But the IDF needs money so the butchery of the Palestinians continues. It is always about incentives.

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      "First, although anxious, we use statistics to help prevent us from truly fearing for our daughter’s safety. So far, more than 1,000 missiles have been fired into Israel with relatively few casualties. “The odds of actually being hit by one of these rockets is like winning the lottery,” our Israeli friend says. “Except you have a better chance of winning the lottery"

      Self defence my ass

      "Staying the course, our daughter will understand on a whole new level what it means to be part of a society that has to fight for its freedom and democracy"

      Freedom and democracy my ass

  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • Ya Walid

      shufti baqa

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      "El Al says cancellations and a slowdown in new reservations will cut its third-quarter revenues by $30 million, to $40 million."

      Business damage at least $300 million so far is my guess

    • Some very sad pictures of the damage Israel has inflicted on ordinary life in Gaza pour encourager les autres
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      It's a sick mentality

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      "But the response should be carefully considered: This is a serious terror attack that requires a harsh response"

    • Why did he bother going to Umadunya ?
      The status quo is dying.
      Nice that it happens under Obama's watch. Zionism reaches the logical end of the road of cruelty.

    • Remember last week and the optimism ?

      "According to Haaretz reporter Anshel Pfeffer an IDF officer described last night’s onslaught on Shuja’iyeh as Israel “taking off the gloves.”"

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      "The hasbarists prefer to deny the success of Zionism, thus allowing them not to recognize its failings.
      Yeshayahu Leibowitz understood this already 60 years ago, when he wrote in his seminal essay “After Kibiyeh” (collected in “Judaism, Human Values, and the Jewish State,” edited by Eliezer Goldman, Harvard University Press 1995) of “the fear of losing religous-moral supremacy, which is easy to hold on to when there is no risk to it and difficult under other circumstances.” "

      And they have completely lost that now.
      BTW that book looks really interesting.

    • It's media chess. Israel doesn't want to give Hamas a PR victory in front of Yossi Israeli, not now with all the dead soldiers when all they did was some garden maintenance.

      Hamas will stay schtum for at least 6 months well after any ceasefire. And get a PR victory in front of Yossi.

    • Maybe Yad Vashem will say something

    • Superwoman is en route to save hasbara

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    • "Hamas media strategy relies on deaths of civilians" is rich coming from him.

      Israeli cruelty relies on killing masses of civilians pour encourager les autres. Gaza now is no different.

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      'The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example for everyone'. Original documents of the time showed that Sharon personally ordered his troops to achieve "maximal killing and damage to property", and post-operational reports speak of breaking into houses and clearing them with grenades and shooting"

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      "The Palestinian Ministry of Health has warned of an impending "environmental disaster" if Israel continues to block Gaza paramedics from retrieving bodies of the deceased in the Shujai'iya neighborhood: "

      "The head of operations in the Middle East for the International Committee of the Red Cross has condemned "in the strongest terms" the shelling of the al-Aqsa hospital earlier today"

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      One of fathers of boys killed on gaza beach says his house attacked by israeli forces

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      several bodies thrown out of gaza building by Israeli blast. Rescuer workers, volunteers enter. Building crumbles on top of them.

      @RichardEngel GOOD JOB . SO HAPPY

    • This cast lead video has most of the themes of Protective shoot-ourselves- in-the-foot

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      There is something very postmodern about Israel's mix of PR and senseless cruelty.

    • $100bn is such a crazy amount of money to have wasted on a project like YESHA. They could have turned Israel into a world leader in so many fields but they couldn't resist the land.

    • I think Hatikva was based on this song

      It certainly is now

      Nihilism, Nihilism über alles,
      Über alles in der Welt,
      Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
      Brüderlich zusammenhält.
      Von der Golan bis an die Roten Meer
      Von der Med bis an den Jordan,
      |: Nihilism ,Nihilism über alles,
      Über alles in der Welt! :|

    • 126000 views on youtube.
      That's viral

      Goes with the pics from last week of the beach and the Sderot cinema as Palestine 3 Israel -5000.

    • But what are Presbyterians thinking ??

    • Hey Mooser

      This should go into your thesis

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    • Mooser

      Do you know that reworked Fred Allen joke that goes :

      You could stuff all the sincerity in Israel's government in a flea's navel and still have room left to conceal eight caraway seeds and a Zionist's heart.

    • "A bit like how the humiliated IDF covered South Lebanon with landmines before running away in the July war."

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      Tikkun Olam

      Chappatte is the cartoonist and he is half Arab. I think a lot of Israel's difficulties in the West are due to the perseverance of these talented 2nd 3rd and fourth generation Arabs who are not afraid to show the true face of Zionism to the world.

    • I think it'll be more of a slow burner like the decline of Sony. Israel is not going to get rabid attachment rates typical of their grandparents from the generation that sends selfies of its genitals to other members of the generation. Israel is just not as exciting or as compelling as that.

    • Twitter cuts out zionist media management. Careerism can't be used to scare or intimidate users. Ya salaam.

    • Israeli society was more rational in 82. The Russians hadn't arrived and the secular jews were still a majority. Now the russians, settlers, orthodox and ultra o have the majority and they are for the birds.

    • 40 million is what it costs to run YESHA for one WEEK. In 47 years that makes over $100 BILLION. Dim and Mehane could have been educated with a teeney weeney portion of that and there would still be money left over to give Hoph a compassion transplant.

  • CNN headline: "100 people killed today in Israel, Gaza fighting"
    • That is a lot of IDF hits in 24 hours.
      Added to the economic cost, I wonder if it might be the beginning of the end for netanyahu. Yossi Israeli is not fond of quagmires.

    • I think the CNN headline underlines the damage done to the Israeli education system by the money flow to YESHA> Very poor use of English.

      the correct phrase is of course

      100 people killed today by Israel; Gaza fighting

      Very tricky, English prepositions , especially for Torah students

  • Video: A beautiful brother went looking for his family in the death zone (Updated)
    • It's really shocking. You can feel the fear of the others watching it.
      And that basically is Erez Israel Hashlemeh in Palestinian level 5 of hell where the Galilee is Level 1 .

    • I think he got the platinum ostracization package.

    • Amazing how many views and it's exactly what Israel does not want the world to see. They were so pissed off about the beach photos last week. Zionism needs the old journalism model more than the New York Times does.

    • The whole story is very disturbing.

      Jeffrey Goldberg accused Richard Goldstone of having committed a “blood libel” here:

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      Goldstone was put under severe pressure in South Africa :

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      Goldstone turned here :

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      Netanyahu jumped in here :
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      "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the United Nations on Saturday to retract the Goldstone Report following the regret expressed by former jurist Richard Goldstone regarding the damning report on alleged Israeli war crimes during the Gaza war.
      "Everything that we said proved to be true," said Netanyahu. "Israel did not intentionally target civilians and it has proper investigatory bodies"

      "While Israel has shown to probe itself "to a significant degree" over Gaza war actions, Goldstone wrote, Hamas, who has been in control of the coastal enclave since 2007, "has done nothing.""

      Hostage had a very good post here :

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      Aluf Benn thought there was something good in what happened - naïf

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      Donniel Hartman explained the Jewish prison :

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      "When one calls, however, for the boycotting or international sanctioning of Israel or the forcing of its government to adopt policies which are counter to the expressed will of its democratically elected government, even if one believes that one is doing so for the good of Israel, one is locating oneself on the side of our foes, a side that friends need to be wary of.
      If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
      We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not."

      Goldstone's co-authors responded :

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      And now Israel is again deliberately killing civilians.

  • Massacre in Gaza: At least 60 killed in Shuja'iyeh, over 60,000 in UN shelters
    • Maxi

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      "Meanwhile, army spokesman Peter Lerner said the IDF could not rule out the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by Hamas, despite denials late on Sunday by the Israeli ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor. Investigations were continuing, the IDF said"

    • Mr cupid stunt

      That is pathetic. Hamas is not a government. Gaza is not a country. It is still occupied. Sheja'ieh was not a human tragedy. It was an IDF operation.

    • Apparently Hamas are using Hezb tactics which have their roots in anti Yank activity in Iraq ...Israel of course wanted that war ....

    • Israel is responsible for all civilian deaths.
      Otherwise all holocaust museums should explain that the Jews killed themselves.

    • Thanks Gracie. A keeper.
      A reference for the utter evil of the occupation and the system behind it.

    • link to

      "Four more bodies were identified in Khan Younis under the rubble of a demolished house belonging to the Abu Jama family, raising the death toll in that specific house to 13. "

      Accusing Israel of killing civilians deliberately is a blood libel .
      Israel is deeply sorry

    • Mowing the lawn isn't just cynical- it also expresses the Israeli assumption of eternal fighting superiority

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      "With due caution given the circumstances, it should be noted that in recent years the IDF has had no experience in ground battles in general and in Gaza in particular."

      They just kill via drones and pick off kids with sniper fire.
      And they could hardly send in the Checkpoint Sunglasses Battalion.

      I think they had a similar shock in 1973 before the Yanks started the resupply.

    • The Goldstone report was pulled because the bots objected to the assertion that Israel deliberately killed civilians. And they are doing it again.

      The Sderot cinema is probably the most powerful image to come from the whole situation. Israel doesn't care about civilian casualties. It's all linked to the memes of Zionism.

    • Support now comes qualified

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      "David Cameron also spoke with Netanyahu, reiterating "the UK's strong support for Israel's right to take proportionate action to defend itself from" Gaza rockets, while expressing condolences over the Israeli deaths and concern over the "mounting civilian casualties in Gaza.""

      Meanwhile Yossi Israeli wants to raze Gaza to the ground because a few Golani soldiers were killed

    • The lawnmowing exercise must be doing serious damage to the q3 economic figures for Israel if so many people are spending so much time in bomb shelters.

      link to

    • link to

      "Gantz spoke of the need to persevere in carrying out missions and of the moral duty to defend the citizens of Israel without inflicting unnecessary harm on enemy civilians. The pressure on him and the government is mounting. There is enormous sensitivity in Israel to losing soldiers in combat. Paradoxically, it is greater than the sensitivity to the loss of civilian lives. "

      It's not a paradox- that's Zionism
      Sadly the goys see things differently

      and what about this ?

      "The Israeli public, most of which adapted with admirable serenity to rocket fire on the home front, will now have to also bear the burden of combat deaths. The wild rampage on social networks is not exactly assisting in dissipating passions. An exaggerated wave of rumors spread yesterday. At its low point, not only were the names of victims posted on ‘whatsapp’ before families had been notified, but pictures of coffins prepared at a central base for casualties in Shujaiyeh were shown as well. This was long before the media were allowed to report the casualties. If reserve soldiers were responsible for this it is scandalous"

      you are just sitting down on a couch in Sderot watching the cinema - you don't expect nice Jewish boys to die .

    • I don't think any of the carefully calibrated arguments would stand up in front of a serious court. Zionism reminds me of Lehman Bros. Dodgy models and when it goes down a lot of people will be very happy.

    • Haaretz is clearly heavily censored. Usually it's good for Israel info but it's shit this weekend.

    • 2008 is such a long time ago. Delegitimisation wasn't even discussed at Herzliya back then.

      Israel is stuck between the risk of killing too many civilians and the risk of losing too many NJBs (Nice Jewish boys) . Hasbara has been in better shape and Israel also needs to get the tourists coming back in.

      It's a big decision in a town called malice.
      Most of that Likud bravado is horseshit at the best of times and Bennett is
      even less connected to reality.

    • Hezb's situation was different. The bots went home suitably chastened.
      Here the bots will continue the siege.
      So no listening to Obomba without concessions from Israel.

    • 1 day of rockets costs Israel's hotels $15m.

    • KSA and UAE. pulling The strings post MB in Egypt, deeply reactionary .Only qatar standing up for Gaza. And people everywhere .

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