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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • Spanish Jews resisted oppression in tunnels and, exiled, clutched their keys
    • The Spaniards are mongrels like every other nation. There is no purity. It's everyone who ever passed through. Visigoths raped and slept with locals and widened the gene pool. Same as the previous wave of visitors. And the one after.

      Spain went in for pork products in a big way post Reconquista. So much jamon. Just to put a point on it. We are not Muslim. We are not Jewish.

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  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • Great idea. Hebrew needs to be depoliticised as well. Ladino is a normal langage. Hebrew isn't.
      Not with all the IDF crap in it.

      Allen Ginsberg on Vietnam rather than the Israel car crash but the sentiment is the same.

      Smoke some grass and relax. Drop the nonsense
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  • Jewish and Palestinian women are segregated in Israeli maternity wards -- Chomsky
    • What's wrong with segregation, Dabakr? It stops Jews breeding with goys. And that is the only way to prevent intermarriage and save Judaism !

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    • "Another 373,000 children are suffering from deep trauma and require desperately needed psychosocial support that is severely lacking in the Gaza Strip. "

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      And onward, towards the ends of the east
      an eye still gazes toward Zion
      Our hope is not yet lost
      The hope of two thousand years
      To be a free nation in our land,
      The land of Zion and Jerusalem

      Such Middle Eastern tones to the music as well , of course.

      As a great Jew, Neil Postman , once observed, the history of the human group is in many ways a struggle against the veneration of crap.

  • From SJP to JVP to Open Hillel, the joint struggle is transforming the campus debate
    • “I believe the Islamophobic narrative is so pervasive, and people often don’t reflect about who is benefiting from this narrative and its repercussions. As a Muslim in America, I face the consequences of the misrepresentation of Muslims in the media through discrimination on a daily basis, but the Muslims overseas, such as the Palestinians, face it even harder. The Islamophobic propaganda campaign driven by the imperialist powers, such as the U.S. and Israel, dehumanizes Muslims overseas and thereby justifies violence against them.”

      It is disgraceful that Jews are involved in Islamophobia given the 24/7 whining about anti-Semitism . All of the moral stuff is so flimsy when compared to the lure of power, isn't it ?

    • "which alleges that UCLA is one of the nation’s most anti-Semitic schools. "

      At UCLA, Jews are treated worse than Dalits , are they ?

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  • HRW: Palestinian children pass out, vomit, from farming with illegal pesticides on Israeli settlements
    • There are no industrial standards for Jews in the West Bank. They can cut corners, they can use poisons or pesticides that are banned in Israel, they can dump toxic waste, they can dump sewage and they do all of it because Israel does not give a fuck about standards when it comes to where Palestinians live.

      The level of cruelty, shortsightedness and cynicism goes way beyond whatever moral cover Judaism could possibly give.

  • Obama's long & passionate Monday with Saban, Foxman, Hoenlein and other Jewish leaders demonstrates power of Israel lobby
    • There is a real patronizing angle to Zionist discussion about Iran- Iranians are shifty, they can't think strategically, they have no rights to power, only Israel is special.

      Give us a break.

    • You said it , Annie . Israel wants to destroy Iran for the sake of destroying it. Sowing trauma elsewhere in the region to go with Gaza and Lebanon and the West Bank and Egypt and Iraq. Because they can.

      And this is supposed to secure a Jewish state into eternity.

      Nothing gentle or mindful about Zionism. It's more like cancer

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    • "Shalom" is the worst possible greeting for an ideology such as Zionism which breathes "fuck you" through every sweaty and grubby pore.

    • I think kashrut is very unfair to shellfish.

      When it comes to lobbying , ritual Muslim and Jewish butchers are on the same team.

      It would be great if eating kosher made Jews moral but it's ludicrous to think it could in the face of the evidence.

    • "They’re worried about something that they are busy bring about "-

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      "Real understanding lies in finding simplifications that bring order to disparate facts. Such was the nature of Rutherford’s discovery and of his understanding; and why he felt able to reveal his findings to the Manchester Library and Philosophical Society. But Rutherford’s task was easier in one important sense: the world he laboured to make sense of was unchanging and unaffected by our understanding, if not necessarily our observation, of it. The same is not true of business and finance." Or Zionist influence

      Jewish plutocracy and stagnant wages on Main St are an unstable combination.

      Inequality has gone too high, too far , too soon

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      Why empires fall.

  • Baptism of Kardashian/West daughter moves celebrity press to place Jerusalem to Israel
    • Today's Turkey (maybe tomorrow's Kurdistan) but what would have been Armenia if the Turks hadn't killed everyone.

    • Kardashian is a representative of a parallel reality known as celebrity so she fits right in with Zionism. She came to fame via her ass and Jesus rode to Jerusalem on an ass so there is something to work with there.
      Have to say though that her trip to Armenia to draw attention to the 100th anniversary of the genocide was impressive. Most TMZ users have no idea where Armenia is or was and Turkey likes it like that. Kardashian has a bit more depth than the other denizens of planet Celeb. Imagine getting involved in politics!

  • The most massive child abuse in the world
    • Gaza is Jewish holocaust trauma live

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    • There are also societal attitudes of shame towards mental health disorders , problems with drug addiction, and pharmacies that are not well regulated -

      Same in Libya

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      "“Libya has a practice of not seeking help for psychological problems, and the few trained psychologists and psychiatrists have very limited experience of treating trauma and consequences of torture and war,” the report said.
      “In addition, severe social stigma exists regarding those affected by mental illness. Psychiatric symptoms are attributed to the act of pagan symbols like the evil eye, magic or sorcery.”
      Ahlam Chemlali, one of the Dignity field workers, recalled how “videos of rape and torture were so widespread and popular that people would name characters from the videos, like the ‘butcher from Misrata’ or the ‘rapist from Brega’ as if they were actors playing in a horror snuff movie. Filmed torture seems to have been a consistent way of spreading or exposing fear.”

      Israel does the snuff stuff in Gaza. Trauma 24/7 from the experts. Because they are so civilized.

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      "Hassan, who has worked at the mental health center since 1991, spoke a lot in our conversation about the meaning of psychological treatment during periods of unrelenting and continuing trauma. “I came to the conclusion that such treatment is not ethical,” he said. “For 23 years, I have been trying to help children living in trauma, but there is no guarantee that they will not be affected again. It’s as if I am just preparing them to deal with something worse. You cannot provide true psychological treatment when the patients have no protection, no guarantee that it won’t happen again and soon, when what causes trauma never ends,” he said. "

  • Israel could reduce anti-Semitic violence by not calling itself the Jewish state, Finkelstein says
  • White House 'trolls' Netanyahu by co-opting infamous UN cartoon to sell Iran deal
    • Patti Smith

      At heart, I am a Muslim,
      At heart, I am an American,
      At heart, I am a Muslim,
      At heart, I am an American artist,
      And I have no guilt...

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      Zionism is a cheap knockoff of Judaism

  • Faithwashing: the Muslim Leadership Institute and the academic boycott
    • Hoppy

      Say someone claimed to do regular work at a feminist club and then spent most of his time online posting the most misogynistic crap- that would be very like your shtick.

    • The only Muslims I can see Hoppy reaching out to are people like Walid Shoebat.

  • Rand Paul greeted by neocon opposition, in $1 million ad calling him 'dangerous'
    • Bipartisanship over Israel is vulnerable the longer the economic crisis lasts. Without wage inflation the GOP can't sell the American dream to voters. Economic uncertainty means ppolitical instability. Voters don't need Israel, which is a key weakness of American Zionism. Opportunistic pols will depart from bot scripts when it is politically profitable to do. Empires fall. The way of the world.

  • Hurt by the Israel lobby, Obama kisses it goodbye
    • Israel is anti progressive (try painting Palestinian births at checkpoints as progressive), anti-Semitic (dangerous for Jews) and anti democratic.

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      As for theocracy, what is the basis for Israel's claims to Palestine? The Bible, FFS.

  • Bibi talk: 'New York Review of Books' trivializes Israeli fascism
    • I like Shulman. He is a scholar for whom the certainties of Zionism are cheap and meaningless. He understands power and the madness of crowds and how far Israel is from Jewish concepts of morality. He reminds me of Akiva Orr, RIP.
      For Yossi I the failure of the system is unthinkable but for someone like Shulman the imbalances make it very likely.
      The pity of it all.

  • Double standard in US political culture: BDS is fine for Indiana, not Israel
    • Terrorism is such an interesting word when used by a country devoted to systematic dehumanizing violence. We are supposed to be appalled by terrorism and take the systematic dehumanizing violence for granted.

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      "Another technique, used in Sejarah during the current conflict, is to drive armed carriers into buildings, often family homes, creating holes in the walls through which to deploy soldiers. The soldiers “immediately get saturated inside the buildings themselves … moving, because it’s so dense, between the one house and the other. Like worms moving inside apples.”
      In this manner, architects can become “archaeologists of the present”, piecing together how things unfolded – which building was destroyed by artillery, which by tank fire, which by bulldozers. Weizman now leads the Forensic Architecture team at Goldsmiths, University of London – a unique project that provides “architectural evidence” for international prosecution teams, political organisations, NGOs and the UN. Their investigations include drone strikes, violence by state security forces on the Ixil Maya people in Guatemala and the use of white phosphorous in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead. They’ve also looked at Israel’s tactic of “knock on roof” warnings, which has been used extensively in the most recent conflict in Gaza.
      Cities are always about the links between buildings in the street, networks, infrastructure. When war happens in the city, people die in buildings, the majority in their own homes,” Weizman tells me. By carefully examining those buildings, you can find architectural evidence. If the Gaza conflict were ever to make it to the International Criminal Court, Weizman supposes he’d work with the prosecution: “We would show where there’s a violation of international law in the way in which buildings are attacked.” In this way, architects could play a role in reconstructing and therefore resisting violence."

    • If the Palestinians were all gay, hoppy, they wouldn't be on Israeli calorie plans.
      Just fancy that!

      But straight Palestinians are a threat to Jewish freeloaders on the West Bank.

      Parasites are actually very important to ecological balance , unlike Jewish settlers, hence my use of the term freeloader.

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  • DEAL!
  • 12 pretty good signs you're vacationing in an apartheid country
    • Mikhael

      Hebrew is the language of the invaders.
      You can spin botulism around it but Hebrew wasn't spoken as a patois around Jerusalem for over 2 millennia.

      And no Palestinian calls al uds Yerushaleyim, as the first name on the Arabic sign.

    • 14 .

      You notice that all the road signs in the indigenous area have the language of the conqueror first and that even when they use the indigenous language below they give the names of the towns as the conquerors pronounce them.

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    • "Its multitudinous skyscrapers project financial global might. But almost every one of the 30 people at this house is forbidden to visit the great city, and the seashore too, because of their origins. -"

      13. You stand on a hill near an indigenous village at night and look toward the forbidden coast which is bathed in electric light . You compare it to the darkness of the indigenous areas and remember that even light is political.

  • Philosophy prof who likened Palestinians to 'rabid pit bull' ignites protest on CT campus
    • Zionist coherence is very hard now. Philosophy has been road tested over millennia but Zionism was cobbled together in a few years last century and the stresses are really showing.

    • Gaza rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

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      Put the fucking lotion in the IDF basket, Gaza
      Pessin is the dog barking in the background

  • On Netanyahu's apology to Palestinian citizens of Israel
    • Netanyahu's apology is like a Fox apology. The damage is already done, the circus has moved on and sorry is cheap. No change next time around.

  • Israel spying scandal comes to light one week before Iran negotiation deadline
  • In Israel, the mask is finally off
    • Catalan
      There is no nuance to zionism, it is as subtle as racism.
      Whataboutery and indifference to israeli cruelty are the hallmarks of the bot in my book.

    • Yonah

      The Foreign Minister at the time- what was his name? He was quite decent. Israel never had a FM like him afterwards. The moment passed and Israel went rightwards and became more cruel.

    • Bintbiba

      I read recently about the Battle of Aughrim in Ireland , 1690 . The Irish lost. The soldiers were stripped of all valuables and left to rot on the battlefield. A commentator noticed how pale their skin was , a whiteness on the land.

      And if you look at Irish people today we are so pale.
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      That is continuity. The music is part of that. There is so much knowledge in the music. Palestinians have the continuity too. Israelis do not. One reason they are so vulnerable to demagogues and Biblical horseshit.

    • The Fed and the one percent are driving the US over the cliff. I don't think it's advisable, myself. Certainly not in a democracy.

      Janet is hopeless.
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      Watch as Wall St's fantasy about Main St wage inflation crashes and burns this summer. Equities are trading at 27 times average earnings over the last 10 years.
      Credit is priced with zero risk margin.

      too far
      too high
      too soon

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      Also, catalan, it's very hard to maintain the façade of neutrality as a bot, innit

    • PFO

      Cruelty in the name of land is the same everywhere
      Jews whining about how they are treated in the US
      as a comfortable minority is a joke.

    • She didn't go into that. I just saw the sadness in her eyes.

      Reminded me of gol na mban san ár, the crying of the women after the slaughter, composed in Ireland in the late 1500s after another English massacre

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      You have to keep going but it's very hard

    • I met a Tamil refugee today. From Jaffna. Left 5 years ago after the Government killed up to 70,000 Tamils in the final battle against the Tigers. She said it was hell. I was thinking about American middle class Jews in universities whining about their sense of victimhood.

    • Seuss saw racism in Korea or somewhere after ww2 and wrote the book. He wouldn't have been a Zionist.

    • Is Israel about a mask or is it something else ?

      Handsome liberal democratic gay friendly eternally sexy Dorian Israel has a dark secret. He swapped reality for eternal hasbara. Every vile deed of moral degradation leaves its mark on a picture hanging in Gaza which shows a very different Dorian.

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    • Gaza saw Israel without the mask from day 1. Cruel heartless bastards wearing Stars of David.

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    • Israel is a very sick place. BDS will help it re enter reality.

  • Jeb Bush bashes Iran talks as 'foolish' and hails Israeli settlements as 'new apartment buildings in Jerusalem'
    • Bornajoo
      I wouldn't bet on Hillary. She was the establishment candidate in the 08 primaries but Obama won as the economy collapsed.
      Same thing could happen this time if the S&P 500,, valued at 27 times average earnings over 10 years, blows up again. Warren could win huge with her anti Wall St risk taking stance. She would also be the first female president.

    • The GOP is hopeless. Very few votes to get over the line in Zionism.
      The GOP need to get Latinos rather than rich Zionists.

  • Washington 'sits shiva' for the 2-state solution
  • The liberal Zionist lament: Joe Klein and Jodi Rudoren try to explain away Israeli racism
    • Maxi

      the dual fantasy of helplessness and unlimited power

      and Yanks are beginning to see through it


    • Rudoren is in danger of being left isolated while the people move on, like a homophobe as the population went over to the side of gay marriage. Repeating hasbara memes may not be career enhancing for much longer.

    • This paper is very interesting on the subject of bias "

      The Role of Decision-Making Biases in Ireland's Banking Crisis

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    • Of “Israeli Arabs,” Klein asserted incredibly, “their loyalty is to Israel.” -

      They can't have any Palestinians on to speak for themselves because they'll only say something incoherent, right, Joe ?

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      "Slim Williams delivers a stump speech in blackface. This was an important part of nearly every minstrel show -- a performer delivers a political speech filled with puns and malaprops. The speaker's demeanor is reminiscent of the pomposity of Zip Coon; he aspires to great dignity, wisdom and intelligence, but his hilarious mangling of language always makes him appear foolish and ignorant."

      And now Sabras are at it - and Jews were so prominent in desegregation and everything

      ya salaam

  • American Jews are taking back their power from Israel
    • Hoppy should talk to some Muslims via his outreach programs to see how they viewed Protective Slaughter.

    • Good old Jew hatred. Nothing to do with Sabra sons of bitches who think cruelty is politically effective

    • What age are you, Hoppy? Israel is like a FRED process- Fast Rise, exponential decay
      It'll be even more odious next year and you think the kids are gonna go with Likud ?
      Go for a lie down.

    • Israeli Judaism went this way
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      American Judaism went off in other directions

      Impossible to triangulate

    • The speech and the arrogance and the racism of the election finally cracked the monolith.
      Israel had been running on fumes for some time. In Hebrew it's fine to decide peace is pointless but they never translated successfully into English. Israelis do not give a f$ck and the penny finally started to drop for Americans. Bad faith .

      The bots took away the fig leaf of hope and they are paying for it now. Hope is for goy losers, they thought..

      I can imagine well intentioned anti BDS activists who wanted to take a stand against something they felt was unjust because Israel would deliver a better way. The stab these people got in the back is unforgivable. Bad faith is the essence of Zionism .

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      "Netanyahu's reelection takes away pro-Israel students' most powerful tool: the existence of a government committed to peace. "The situation has gotten so bad, so indefensible, that, over the past year, the pro-Israel community has given up on defending Netanyahu's policies. Instead, on-campus activism consists of harmless events about Israel’s startup scene or innovative water conservation research. Even “defensive” actions by pro-Israel groups against student government BDS resolutions no longer target the foundation of the BDS movement (that there are human rights violations occurring and that the best way to stop them is to cut ties with those complicit in them), for while they often lack critical context, the citations in the BDS resolutions about Israel’s human rights violations are ironclad. When the pro-Israel camp cannot present an alternative to the cycle of violence, it is very hard to oppose loud, angry students who say they have the answer. - "

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  • I want my country back
    • Parasites are fascinating, Just. Such a key part of nature. Why wouldn't similar processes work on our brains ? Plutocrats and their memes- exactly the same

      Zionism reminds me of cordyceps with Judaism as the ant

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      or as this snail
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    • Wall St is deluded.

      Inequality is bad for equity valuations

      Earnings in the S&P 500 look good because of low interest rates, low labor costs, low commodity prices, cost-cutting and tax optimization but not because of better sales -
      there has been almost no sales growth for the last 4 years. In other words, earnings have increased but not because companies are doing more business.

      It's all going to come crashing down .

    • "I want my country back"

      Even if it was released from the clammy grip of the bots the plutocrats would still be holding it by the balls.
      Get rid of all rent seekers and give Main St wage increases.

    • You need to incorporate mind altering parasites

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      And mindsuckers - Zionism is one of those
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    • Rudoren reminds me of Mencken in his old age, when the country he analysed and skewered so expertly in his middle age suddenly became alien to him. The kids grew up and they thought differently to him and there was nothing he could do about it.

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