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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/nov/20/gaza-murderous-melodrama/ "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • The Israel Lobby on campus in Illinois: A challenge for BDS
    • "It is unacceptable that a visiting professor essentially hired by the Israel Lobby is charged with teaching the one class offered at UIUC on the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict"

      It takes a lot of work to keep America in the dark. It is unacceptable to the Lobby to have it any other way. But they won't have the younger generation.

  • Hasbara PennBDS wrap-up: Pro-Israel students are ignorant
    • They are all the same. I have been reading the same crap from them for a decade and there is zero humanity.

    • " Israel is in fact mostly populated by people of Arab or mixed Arab descent. "

      That is the great weakness of Israel. They didn't have enough first world Jews who wanted to live in their Altneuland. So they took whatever they could . Quality diluted and the implications are playing out now before us. 1977 was the turning point. The year the Sephardim took over. And look what they have done to Jewish democracy and the rule of law.

    • Hardly as nonsensical as Zionist history, Shmuel.
      There was loads happening to AD 70. Then everything stopped and the world began again in the 1880s.

      If you do have any details of the proto Israeli nation at at any time through the Dark and Middle and early modern ages do feel free to post them.

    • "Was there a shared cultural memory of hodgepodge nations like Iraq or Lebanon, who featured unwise mixtures of different people with seeming randomly installed monarchies"

      That is pathetic.

      They lived together for millenia, dude. Everyone in Lebanon speaks the same language and has for 1300 years. They didn't have some grandfather making up a lingua franca in the 1890s like Israel did. What childrens songs did the Jews of Lvov and Rabat share? What festivals did they meet at? Which days of the week would they interact at the market ?

      Israel is artificial par excellence . It is to authenticity what Mc Donalds is to haute cuisine.

    • Israel wasn't a nation when it was founded. There is no medieval poetry that describes the Israeli condition. There is no shared cultural memory that goes back more than 60 years. They had to invent one. So they have an ideology instead of a history. And the sort of stuff that you could get away with in an ideology 60 years ago is very dated now. Imagine the US run on the racial thinking of the 1940s. That's Israel. They are really in a bad way. Even if everyone in Israel swears blind loyalty to the cult it's very obvious to outsiders how nuts the whole project is.

    • This about China but it really reminded me of Israel

      link to nybooks.com

      "Even our own most personal emotional memories are soaked in an all-encompassing, all-pervading ideological culture…. Within a few decades, they took from us our ability to express suffering and sorrow. They took our ability to express love. What they gave us instead were fraudulent stand-ins…. Even today we do not have an authentic, untainted cultural vehicle with which to record our lives…. Other countries have it. Even the poorest and most backward countries have it."

    • Dershowitz said the answer is that the Jews didn't steal the land.
      - He says there was nobody in the house at the time

      If American Jews start understanding that their Israeli cousins stole the land it won't be long until the end.

  • MSNBC: Israel trains Iranian terror group to kill nuclear scientists
    • Didn't you know dude? Terrorism is sanctioned by G-d if it saves Israel from an unspeakable military fantasy.

    • link to youtube.com

      Start at 16.00

      Former Israeli soldier and current peace advocate Elik Elhanan, a founding member of Combatants for Peace, addressing military aid and militarism within Israel

    • The thing about Iran is that Israeli pressure to go to war is right out in the open. There is no coyness as there was over Iraq. The Holocaust justifies everything including industrialised mass murder in Iran.

      link to haaretz.com

      "Nonetheless, when push comes to shove, when all the other options have been exhausted, when there is no other avenue left, when it’s yes or no, do or die, kill or be killed – then I think that most Israelis and Jews, including myself, will support a military attack. And the only way to prevent such a risky and dangerous development is to stop the Iranian nuclear problem dead in its tracks, and to stop it now.

      Otherwise, in all likelihood, with grave doubts and terrible misgivings, the planes, will be dispatched, the missiles will be launched, the troops will be landed and the bombs will then explode. Because the phrase “Never Again”, however grossly misused and cynically manipulated throughout the years, was actually meant for this very moment. "

      The deluded Israeli code of Holocaust, paranoia, nationalism and militarism.

  • As Khader Adnan struggles through his 55th day on a hunger strike, a reminder that he has not been charged with a crime
    • The progressive have a super editorial in this month's issue about detention without charge and how degraded the judicial system of a country becomes when habeas corpus is dispensed with. Israel has been doing this for years. The notion of justice in Israel is essentially meaningless.

  • Where is the Bedouin Intifada?
    • Winnica

      "Specifically on the matter of Palestinians who are Israeli citizens, or those who are permanent residents in Jerusalem, their lives are far better than the readers of Mondoweiss imagine. They aren’t perfect, and they leave much to desire, but they are vastly better than you’d think"

      Specifics. What do you think readers imagine about the lives of Palestinians in Israel ? how do their lives compare to those of Israeli Jews? Discuss the implications of not serving the army in a militarist society where the education system is built around military service and an air force pilot is more likely to be rewarded with a senior educational post than a qualified teacher.

    • "This arbitrary administrative detention is legally incompatible with the most basic international standards of human rights, because it is without any specific charge against the prisoner. These arbitrary detentions depend on the military file and “secret evidence” which cannot be seen by the detainee or defense lawyers. This file is prepared by Israel intelligence and is “collected” illegally."

      Israel is such a joke of a country. The only way to approach it is to suspend one's critical faculties and enter the world of the absurd.

      All of those nice Jewish boys in the US who go into the law- does any of them understand how Israeli law has been degraded since 1967?

      Do Israelis understand the importance of Magna Carta to the development of Western concepts of law and the state? Do they realise what their country has done to these concepts in the name of YESHA ?

      link to en.wikipedia.org
      Magna Carta is an English charter, originally issued in the year 1215 and reissued later in the 13th century in modified versions. The later versions excluded the most direct challenges to the monarch's authority that had been present in the 1215 charter. The charter first passed into law in 1225; the 1297 version, with the long title (originally in Latin) The Great Charter of the Liberties of England, and of the Liberties of the Forest, still remains on the statute books of England and Wales.

      The 1215 charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties, and accept that his will was not arbitrary, for example by explicitly accepting that no "freeman" (in the sense of non-serf) could be punished except through the law of the land, a right which is still in existence today.

      Magna Carta was the first document forced onto an English King by a group of his subjects, the feudal barons, in an attempt to limit his powers by law and protect their privileges. It was preceded and directly influenced by the Charter of Liberties in 1100, in which King Henry I had specified particular areas wherein his powers would be limited.

      Despite its recognised importance, by the second half of the 19th century nearly all of its clauses had been repealed in their original form. Three clauses remain part of the law of England and Wales, however, and it is generally considered part of the uncodified constitution. Lord Denning described it as "the greatest constitutional document of all times – the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot".[1] In a 2005 speech, Lord Woolf described it as "first of a series of instruments that now are recognised as having a special constitutional status",[2] the others being the Habeas Corpus Act, the Petition of Right, the Bill of Rights, and the Act of Settlement.

      The charter was an important part of the extensive historical process that led to the rule of constitutional law in the English speaking world, and it was Magna Carta (rather than other early concessions by the monarch) which survived to become a "sacred text".[3]

    • "Here’s an example: the median number of years of education among Jews and Arabs in Israel in 1961 was respectively 8.25 vs 1.5."

      I'll try to be kind. Can you verify the data ? Education in Israel is run by the state. So if the data is correct Israel spent virtually no money educating its palestinian population between 1948 and 1961 . Why would this be? What info have you go on Israeli spending on education for Palestinians post 1948 ?

    • I cannot imagine what it must feel like to arrive home and find that your house has been destroyed by Jews who claim they are closer to god than you are.

    • "There has to be a reason that large numbers of Israeli Bedouin men voluntarily serve in the IDF, including many who serve in career capacities."

      No other jobs. Israeli policy. compare and contrast state spending per head on Jews in the Negev and on Bedouin.

      Winnica- a word of advice from Scotland :

      You cannae polish a turd.

    • I see. Easing the Israeli load of occupation was counterproductive and long term bad for Israelis. They have come to a point now after 43 years of iterations where the occupation demands some very difficult/stupid calls . They are debating launching a war on Iran. The settlers openly discuss ethnic cleansing.

      One point that hasn't been mentioned much on Mondo is that Israel is going through a house price bubble . Every time I open Ha'aretz I am confronted by ads for apartments in Tel Aviv. They crowed about the bubble in Herzliya.

      link to herzliyaconference.org

      click on "the Herzliya indices" and go to slide 17.

      In the aftermath of a bubble house prices typically lose 70% of the value gained beforehand. That's the experience of over 30 years of data from the OECD.

      Israel is looking at a very hard landing . When house prices crash the economy is going to have a difficult recession.

    • "the Israeli occupation would have been far more difficult without a vast network of collaborators "

      In what way? It was never a bed of roses. The occupation is vile and the blackmailing of people recruited as collaborators is one of the darkest stains on Zionism. Don't forget that Palestinian GDP per head is 10% that of Jewish GDP per head. How has collaboration helped anyone other than Israel ? Most of the 14000 Palestinians held in detention without trial are there on the word of collaborators. Cui bono?

    • "unequivocal condemnation of collaboration are problematic".

      Can you expand on that, Shmuel? I find collaboration one of the worst aspects of Israel's divide and conquer strategy.

      I agree with the point about the Bedouin- even if some of "their people" did stuff in 1948, that has no bearing on their rights today. Israel just used them and doesn't care about them now. Zionism is a brutal ideology.

  • Today in Palestine
  • After 55 days of hunger strike MSM finally reports on Khader Adnan
    • In 1988 Ishayahu Leibowitz wrote: "If the status-quo continues (and the keyword is "if"), hooliganization - or perhaps we ought to say Nazification - of the people and society in Israel - will be inevitable".

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  • Musings on Post-Apartheid Israel
    • 2 things will need to happen in Israeli Jewish society when it all falls apart.

      Firstly the Holocaust will have to be dealt with. It is not an excuse for regional destruction.

      link to haaretz.com

      "Nonetheless, when push comes to shove, when all the other options have been exhausted, when there is no other avenue left, when it’s yes or no, do or die, kill or be killed – then I think that most Israelis and Jews, including myself, will support a military attack. And the only way to prevent such a risky and dangerous development is to stop the Iranian nuclear problem dead in its tracks, and to stop it now. Otherwise, in all likelihood, with grave doubts and terrible misgivings, the planes, will be dispatched, the missiles will be launched, the troops will be landed and the bombs will then explode. Because the phrase “Never Again”, however grossly misused and cynically manipulated throughout the years, was actually meant for this very moment."

      Secondly Jews are going to have to realise that this "Chosen people" shtick is metaphorical and has no bearing on real life . AIPAC is a crowd of mediocrities. The Palestinians have been held hostage for 3 generations because of Shoddy iron age thinking that has a hold on modern day Israel man. The reconstruction of the temple is a mental construct. The Aqsa mosque will not be destroyed so don't even think about it.
      Jews are valued members of global humanity . But that's it. They aren't worth WW3.

    • To be honest I don't think Israel is going to be able to manage the post apartheid transition very well. There are so many dependent Haredim AND Israel is responsible for 60 years of pauperisation of the people of Gaza and the other refugees and 43 of the people of the West Bank including East Jerusalem (all off balance sheet) and they can't even now arrange a distribution of wealth that keeps poor Jewish kids from hunger.

      http://www.yadeliezer.org

      Israel needs capable brains working on this and instead it is all headless chicken Iran the sky is falling down BS

    • Mostly on Palestinian ground , Woody.

    • Reparations won't do much for the landless refugees. Affirmative action will be needed whatever else is decided. Gaza has a decent education system and these people will need jobs and that will mean quotas.

      Reparations will bankrupt Israel. That's why they are pushing on with Yesha and talking about ethnic cleansing as the only "just" solution to the palestinian issue

      link to amazon.com

    • Annie

      This presentation has the definitive stats.

      link to herzliyaconference.org

      Slide 6

      2005-2009 Haredi growth rate of 4.2% per annum versus 3.1% for '48 Palestinians and 1.6% for educated Jews

      Slide 5 is also very interesting

      Project the trends out for 20 years and Israel will be either national socialist or bankrupt or maybe even both similtaneously.

    • Isr/Palestine will need economic justice. That will mean affirmative action.
      Israel could become an economic centre for the region but that would need guts and honesty. The question is how much damage Zionism has done to the future of the Jewish presence in the region. I wonder if many Israelis won't just give up. They have dug themselves a very deep hole .

      Peak oil will change everything anyway. The Israeli economy is based on the Western empire of the OECD nations and once the oil goes that's in big trouble. The Palestinians will have less trouble adapting.

  • 'Commentary' covers its eyes and makes Palestinians disappear
    • They tried it in 1938.

      Even if they had what difference would it have made to the Soviet Union's war capacity ?

    • :Had Hitler coordinated the invasion of Russia with a Japanese attack in the far east"

      Why would Japan have attacked the Russian far east? there is nothing there other than forest and tundra

    • Financial defeat is more practical , Woody. Short the bonds. Israel is dependent on the goodwill of international investors. And who's going to bail it out?

    • There is something I notice about Israel the more I look at it. Beyond the arrogance, the sunglasses and the nukes there is something missing.
      Israel is too earnest and tries too hard. The emotional instability that calls for the entirety of Congress to show its obeisance to the chieftain. The ineptitude behind the cruelty. The Jewish exceptionalism shtick and the banality of the Jewish State. The topics at the Herzliya conference. The Jews in Wall Street they rope in to speak at it. The Jews that don't want to go there. The provincial buzz of Tel Aviv. The chasm between Hebrew and English. The fact it is not part of any union of states. The need to be loved and constantly reminded of it. The neediness. If Israel was a woman what sort of woman would she be ? Far too complicated for a relationship.

      What my Israeli colleague once asked . "What if the West decides that the land belongs to the Palestinians after all ? "
      The feeling that it could all disappear as miraculously as the six day war appeared.

    • Click on the bit on the herzliya site that is

      "Adi Mintz, Fmr. Chairman, Yesha Council"

      And you get the pdf.

      It is basically what Danny Danon says here

      link to aljazeera.com

      and dressed up in the language of justice

      Ethnic cleansing in the name of peace!
      Rape in the name of love !

      BTW did you know about Danon disease ?

      link to en.wikipedia.org
      In MALES the symptoms of Danon Disease are more severe. Features of Danon Disease in MALES are:

      * An early age of onset of muscle weakness and heart disease (onset in childhood or adolescence)
      * Some learning problems or mental retardation can be present

    • Tobin is just channeling the latest settler hasbara- that the only just way to solve the Palestinian problem and bring peace is to ethnically cleanse Palestine.

      It was presented at the Herzliya conference by the ex chairman of YESHA and it is appalling. It's in Hebrew but Google Translate slide 20

      link to herzliyaconference.org

      Israel to annex 62% of West Bank (ie Israeli definition ie no East Jerusalem for the Palestinians ) and 300000 Palestinians (presumably in addition to those in EJ)

      38% of WB to become a self service Palestinian area run by a divisional sales executive

      Gaza refugees to be relocated to north East China
      Other refugees outside Isr/Pal to be resettled in Sinai, Jordan or UAE

      Forget about your Palestinian state and forget about human rights. Forget about Judaism as well, really . This is to bring the Jewish people closer to G-d remember.

    • i can't remember who it was but i saw recently quote from a writer who lived through the 1933-45 period in Germany and he said that the Nazis had always said about doing something to the Jews but it was so outrageous and nobody believed them and was only the war that made it possible. and I think it's the same with Israel and the Endlösung of the total ethnic cleansing of the palestinians. They are building up to this . And it is so outrageous. And their whole system is built around it-. and if they go for it there will be an Israeli Götterdämmerung just like the German one in 1945.

    • " i see no real progress for the Palestinians and time is running out"

      Honestly. For nations there is no such thing as time running out . There are times that are worse than others but the notion of history being over is lame
      I think Israel is Eastman Kodak in 2003

  • A lull on this site
    • Even without going into the prehistory some of the stuff the Zionists did while Jews were being exterminated was sick. Like negotiating with the Nazis to save a couple of thousand Zionist Hungarian Jews while the rest, almost half a million ,were sent off to Auschwitz and death.

      link to fantompowa.net

      In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest. One man stood out among them, Dr. Rudolf Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation and even keep order in the collection camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price of 15,000 to 20,000 Jews - in the end there may have been more - was not too high for me.

  • Khader Adnan, political prisoner held without charges, is near death after 53 days of hunger strike
    • Paul Auster reminds me of David Mamet . Tribal hysteric . All respect lost for them

      Obama of the parish of hope and change signed some law that allows the US to detain citizens indefinitely without charge along the lines of the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians . It is the end of 900 years of Magna Carta .

      "The army must release all the administrative detainees or prosecute them, in accordance with due process. "

      Due process doesn't exist any longer in Israel for non Jews. It's pre medieval.

  • Settlers spray 'Death to Christians' on a monastery, 'Death to Arabs' on a school and 'Mohammad is a pig' on village entrance
  • Leading Zionist historian was first to say 'Israel Firster'-- in 1960
    • I wonder what Louis Brandeis would make of Israel now.

      "The "rebirth of [the Jews'] independent homeland" was "an event pregnant with incalculable opportunities for creativity and enrichment.""

      Where did it all go wrong? Creativity around cruelty and oppression and the enrichment of the 1%. Israel could have been so much more. Imagine having a poet or a filmmaker instead of Danon in his position.

  • Bruising Judt, Fukuyama says Arabs aren't ready for liberalism
    • (Just as there are plenty of climate scientists who argue against global warming now.)

      None credibly.
      It's not like US politics where there are 2 echo chambers and you can live in either and fit the facts to your belief system .
      It's about physics and the effects of fossil fuel burning on our environment. There will be no escaping the consequences. Fox won't be able to talk them
      away. No Tea Party to put the ice back in place.

    • It's very disappointing to see Roha come out with stuff the Koch Bros pay for.

      Anyone who wants to understand what is happening to the oceans and coral because of Co2 should put an eggshell in a bowl of vinegar and monitor what happens.

      Nature adapts but it needs time and we don't have any time.

    • Roha

      Co2 is already changing the PH level of the oceans. There is more that can be safely absorbed. There are indications that the Messiah is going to come with your ice age. Wearing a red tutu. But I wouldn't bet the planet on it.

    • Piotr

      The world's ecosystem is going to collapse by the end of the century. Runaway climate change. Caused by our addiction to oil and endless economic growth. We don't know how many people will die. The US is right at the forefront of the madness. A mere 150 million people died in the wars of the last century. A collapse of the food supply in Asia would kill multiples of that. Indonesia in the 50s is neither here nor there.

      The idea that the West is some kind of benign phenomenon is deluded.

    • "[My students] are fortunate not to live in a world where ideas could be translated into monstrous projects for the transformation of society, and where being an intellectual could often mean complicity in enormous crimes."

      American elite smugness there. The dismantling of the American social net 1980-2012 would not have been possible without the support of the academy. Where did all those working class jobs go? And what are we going to do with Cleveland ? Where is my pension fund?

  • Would you buy a used metaphor from this warmonger? (Niall Ferguson's 'creative destruction' echoes Rice's 'birth-pangs')
    • Hey Philip

      Are you running a car hire business? I heard CVN 68 was smashed up real bad on the New Jersey turnpike by a very lovable and earnest elderly French couple who couldn't figure out the exit system. CVN 73 was rented out to some Canadian backpackers. CVN 74 ended up in Vegas in a trailer park and had to be towed back East after one of the staff saw it on Google Earth.

    • He says

      "The double-dip recession. Oil prices are on the way down thanks to concerted efforts of Europe’s leaders to reenact the Great Depression. An Israel-Iran war would push them up, but the Saudis stand ready to pump out additional supplies to limit the size of the spike."

      He doesn't understand the oil market . Saudi couldn't stop the Libya civil war jacking up prices in 2012. He doesn't understand the psychology of the stock market either. Hundreds of millions of western savers will see their mutual funds tank for the sake of 5.5 million Israelis. Why?

    • He didn't get a great review in the New York Review either

      link to nybooks.com

    • That Ron Paul excerpt is fantastic.

      Some Israeli wonk was quoted in the FT:

      link to ft.com

      " Israel's fundamental position remains the same. Iran's nuclear progamme must be stopped one way or another. "

      Poor Israel. Used to be a real hunk back in the 60s. All the women turned their heads when he walked by. Now he's in his 60s and couldn't get through the day without his Viagra. Still thinks he's 20.

    • David Bromwich did a total hatchet job on Ferguson's academic capabilities in the New York Review recently

      link to nybooks.com

      Ferguson is what someone in the Review said about Gingrich- "the thoughtless person's idea of a thinking person'.

    • They are attacking disabled and poor British citizens as it is
      link to guardian.co.uk
      link to guardian.co.uk

      and now the Iranians are in their sights. The Tories are an unmitigated disaster.

      As Muhammud Ali would have said " I ain't got no quarrel with them Shi'a"

      link to youtube.com

  • Abunimah highlights 'turning point' boycott conference
    • Jewish democracy is idealistic. Imagine what a Jewish democracy would look like. Imagine if everyone in Hevron was allowed to vote.

      YESHA is idealistic.
      The whole idea of the Jewish Sparta is idealistic. Like that is sustainable.
      The notion that actions are without consequence is idealistic. All those vetoes and then you need diplomatic cover and it's not there .
      The Israeli belief in technology and Jewish exceptionalism is idealistic. How come Israel is such a mess ?

      The notion that the neighbourhood is rough and Israel is the villa in the jungle is idealistic. You have to make the connections between imperialism and local politics. The whole system is broken. Israel will have to be reformed and the Palestinians are at the heart of it.

    • Was there much security at the conference? I can imagine the Zionists regressing to the mean and taking people out as they have been doing for the last 100 years. Especially when the argument is being lost.

    • This insane hysteria about the conference tells us something about the moment we are in,” said Ali Abunimah, a co-founder of the Electronic Intifada news site, in his keynote speech at the conference. “In terms of the battle of ideas, we are in the end game.”

      Israel's strength - the US Jewish link- will ultimately be its weakness since there is no point in a "Jewish" military state that has nothing to do with the values of Judaism . The further they oppress the Palestinians the further they turn away from their own religious values. The hasbara is already beginning to fall apart and hysteria can't compensate. They can get any schmuck rabbi to sign off the torture and the demolitions

      link to hartman.org.il

      but it stinks and they know it

      Israel is no good unless it's built around permanent defensible values

    • JStreet and the rest of the pro Israelis are going to reduce the concept of antisemitism to nothing. Like that boy who pretended he had a wolf problem . And you know what happened.

  • Settlers attempt to burn another mosque in Nabi Saleh and graffiti 'death to Arabs' near Ramallah
    • It's not deafening silence. It's slurring anyone who protests with the curse of "antisemitism", whatever that is supposed to mean today.

  • Organizers say pro-Israel filmmaker with controversial past deceives, disrupts Penn BDS conference (UPDATED)
    • I watched the Himel video on youtube of some thing at Concordia uni and he sells the antisemitism things that Jews can't get free speech schtick but anyone who buys that needs to go to Hebron and see what is done on the back of it.

    • TBH it sounds a bit like the problem in US media where there are 2 echo chambers - one for the liberals and one for the right. Himel represents the Ziobot echo chamber . They all listen to each other and read the same blogs. No point in arguing with them. Never the twain shall meet. Until someone on the other side pulls it off. By then the game is up for Israel.

    • Mooser is under contract to the Rand Corporation, Winnica, so if you try anything underhand they'll sue your ass.

  • Live tweeting from the Penn BDS conference
    • What could be wrong with that, ADL?

      Lenny Bruce said at Carnegie Hall 1961 that there is no right or wrong. There is just need. And Israeli Jews need the standard of living of theirs that is based on the exploitation of the Palestinians. They don't see their economy as wrong. They just see their needs. Any change to that means they lose money. The ADL will fight this tooth and nail.

      Some US newcaster said it is better to be successful when you don't destroy your prinicples but it has gone way past that for the ADL.

    • I was listening to Azealia Banks 212 thinking about BDS. She's very vulgar and the song is very aggressive but/and seems to get what Israelis and the Lobby are worried about

      Ayo (ayo), I heard you're riding with the same tall, tall tale
      Telling them you made some (made some)
      Saying you're grinding but you ain't going nowhere
      Why you procrastinate girl? (-nate girl)
      You got a lot, but you just waste all yourself
      They'll forget your name soon (name soon)
      And won't nobody be to blame but yourself,

      What you gon' do when I appear?
      W-when-when I premiere?
      Israel the end of your lives are near
      This land been mine, mine (too) (x2)

    • Where is the Israeli De Klerk ? Will probably be from Likud.

      I wonder who is the Israeli Andrei Sakharov

      link to nybooks.com
      "Sakharov was a man of civil society, not a party politician. He left us this legacy:

      • Patience and fidelity to principle

      • Pluralism and willingness to compromise—we must accept that honest disagreements will occur

      • Tolerance

      • “The better—the better” (exactly unlike Lenin’s “the worse—the better”)

      • The patriotism of free peoples: a nation that persecutes another nation cannot itself be free

      • Fidelity to historic truth

      • Renunciation of violence

      I conclude with some words of Leszek Kołakowski that, I am convinced, reflect Andrei Sakharov’s view: “No victory is irreversible, no defeat is definitive. That is what makes life worth living.”"

      Zionism doesn't meet any of his principles. What a doomed ideology

    • BDS is about racism. Israeli Jewish racism.

      51 years ago Lenny Bruce (who was Jewish) was in Carnegie Hall in NYC and one of his themes was the generational difference between anyone over 55 and his generation over the question "would you want one of them to marry your sister ? " He gave an incredible performance that looked at how ludicrous the racism of the Klan was in 1961.

      A white woman or a black woman?
      "You are a white. The Imperial Wizard. Now, if you don't think this is logic you can burn me on the fiery cross. This is the logic: You have the choice of spending fifteen years married to a woman, a black woman or a white woman."

      And he nailed it. 51 years ago.
      "So you are not concerned with white or black any more are you ?"

      What Israeli Jewish brother would have his sister marry a Palestinian woman ?
      51 years on Israeli Jews are the updated Klan with their small minded bigotry

    • It's a pity it's booked up Kathleen. I think you would add a lot to it.
      On the other hand it's fantastic to think there is so much interest in the topic.

      Maybe next year the conference can take place at Carnegie Hall.

    • The retreat action from the Jewish organisations over BDS and what happens to Israel is going to be brutal.

      They will resist change until there is no point in resistance. This is their biggest fear for Israel :

      link to youtube.com

      sometimes I feel so insecure....

  • Occupy Oakland's landslide BDS endorsement
    • It's about justice everywhere

      Zionism is about injustice .

      Our aspirations overlap; our struggles converge. Our oppressors, whether greedy corporations or military occupations, are united in profiting from wars, pillage, environmental destruction, repression and impoverishment. We must unite in our common quest for freedoms, equal rihts, social and economic justice, environmental sanity, and world peace.

  • Both sides are wrong in the ‘Israel Firsters’ debate
    • I read something during the week about median wages per hour in the US which have been unchanged in 30 years. Do many Americans know this? Is anyone mad about it? It would be interesting to compare with median Israeli wage growth over the period and connect to all the aid that goes to Israel.

    • Israel fister might be closer to the mark

    • I think "Israel Firster" is a very wishy-washy term and it doesn't convey much in the way of meaning. I prefer "Israel borg". Even "Likudnik" is sufficiently pejorative .
      "Likudnik neocon capitalist war monger" is another good one.
      Putain de Likud de bordel de YESHA merde is the French

      Israel firster sounds like some kind of candy.

  • Archbishop Desmond Tutu endorses PennBDS conference
    • The ADL site links to this :

      link to jewishphilly.org

      Fascinating.

      Jewish Philly. Look at who's in. They talk about "the reality of the State of Israel" . Do they understand what Likud is doing ? That the State of Israel no longer exists? That is has been replaced by Erez Israel ?

      "BDS does not stand up to the rigors of academic inquiry." Why does the whole community get involved in an academic discussion? Does this ever happen in the physics department?

    • The is link to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism and Research Center

      Surely they must have studied Lieberman and Danon

    • That is powerful stuff.
      Compassion and justice for a people who are suffering. The Palestinians have put up with enough Zionist crap.

  • Dershowitz justifies war on Iran (and Iraq? again?)-- and Mort Zuckerman rides shotgun-- in fresh attacks on BDS conference
    • Begin was the father of Likud. They won the 1977 election and Israel has followed them since then.

    • "Professors at the University of Pennsylvania who support BDS are complicit with evil."

      link to haaretz.com

      "It is the duty of the international community to prevent evil and nuclear [weapons] from coming together. That is the obligations of most of the leaders of the free world, one which they must meet," Peres said.

      Great hasbara relay there from the Dersh . I imagine when he dies he'll be put on a Zionist horse in the manner of El Cid.

      Does this evil shtick still work with dumb Americans? It would get laughed out of town in Europe.

      Evil is Knieval. Denying people their humanity is not part of Judaism and is plain wrong. Bombing other countries is wrong. Leave the decent people of Iran out of Israel's Palestinian problem.

      And there is no access to the free world for the people of Gaza.

  • Alumni donor threats and more Nazi analogies as the world awaits Penn BDS conference
    • What difference does it make?

      link to youtube.com

      Re Israel- I am so very sickened, I am so sickened now

    • I was a member of the Palestine Solidarity group in London in 2001 and I remember one meeting where the subject of a boycott of Israel came up. There was one very sympa Jewish lady who was vehement on the subject. No way- it would be no better than what the Nazis did. And I think Israel knew that they could always hide behind what happened in the 1930s.

      I had no idea in 2001 how bad Israel would get over the next 10 years. The idea that Israel would carpet bomb Gaza never entered my head. I honestly thought Israel would allow a Palestinian state within a few years. Now Israel has destroyed the peace process and exposed it as the hollow sham it always was . For the first time since 1967 Israel is losing control of the narrative. It richly deserves sanctions. It has betrayed the memory of those who died at the hands of European anti semites.

    • The white southern gentlemen still control the money. Freedom isn't enough on its own . The Palestinians have to get their due from Israel.

      Zionists feel they deserve everything they've stolen.

    • Panic in the streets of Mass.
      I wonder to myself

  • Sullivan says passionate American supporters of Israel create a 'problem,' conflating interests
    • Alison Weir's blog headlines with "Analysis on Israel, Palestine, and the American connection. I am not the British historian. Please stop threatening her."

      Zionist thuggery goes back a long way.

    • Sullivan is a US imperialist. Regime change in Iran FFS. Why doesn't the US get out of the Middle East and give the local people the chance to order their own future ? What does the US understand about the region anyway ?

  • Israeli officials say Iran's 'existential threat' is-- braindrain of 200,000 'best and brightest'
    • "Israeli officials believe the continuous threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon would lead as many as 200,000 of their best and brightest citizens to leave for the United States and other Western nations. That is the “existential threat” Israeli officials worry about, not that Iran could destroy Israel"

      Maybe the best and brightest don't want to live in a theocracy run for the benefit of the settlers. Maybe they have figured out how bad the education system is and how things can only get worse. Maybe they don't want to pay the taxes for YESHA.

      Israel is like a bully with a loud mouth that has just met a challenge it can't master
      and is screaming for Mommy.

  • Barghouti: Attacks on the Penn BDS conference reveal panic that Israel is losing hearts and minds
    • Carl Safina says "a country either serves justice or it doesn't". Israel doesn't.
      He says "justice comes from the same place being human comes from : compassion."
      Israel is too afraid to think of others. That's the generous reading.

    • "this is precisely what Israel and its lobbies are running scared of, the effective and sustainable challenge of Israeli apartheid and colonial rule.”

      What they are really afraid of is the reaction of the Diaspora when they find out that contrary to the mythology of the return to Zion as being somehow sacred it has in fact become profane and twisted and has nothing to do with holiness or bringing people closer to God. Zionism is a fraud, in other words. This is not what 2 millennia of Jews prayed for. They didn't pray in Lublin in the 1750s for white phosphorous . The light they imagined on the return to the land was of a different sort. Zionism is just another form of imperialism.

    • If equality and justice would destroy Israel, what does that say about Israel?

      Zionism is no longer Jewish

  • When Desmond Tutu got the ‘Penn BDS’ treatment
    • Why all the kneejerking? Danny Danon makes it quite clear. He is proud of apartheid and US Jews should be too because, after all, Danny is working for them.

      link to english.aljazeera.net

      These are Israeli Jews who know that they do religious work by claiming the land
      So why come over all coy about it? They don't. Is it the Diaspora
      mentality?

  • Penn's president condemns article likening BDS conference to Nazism as 'counter to her personal values and civility'
    • Haaretz reported the soldier was scared. All that propaganda ingested from birth. Zionism is without compassion and expects no compassion. It is a form of autism

    • It's hysterical.

      Imagine what they'll be like in 5 years' time.

  • Blumenthal: Netanyahu seeks regime change in US and Iran
    • 'We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
      Louis Brandeis

      Pabelmont

      Do you know the Monthly Review? They have some great analyses of the economic system that would fit well in that piece of yours.

      link to monthlyreview.org

      The United States, Europe, and Japan are involved in a descending spiral. Up to now, capital of generalized monopolies has retained the initiative and tirelessly pursued its sole objective: the growing accumulation of monopoly rent, which, in turn, produces the runaway growth of inequality in the distribution of income. Moreover, the growth of the latter itself is weakening. This inequality increases the impossibility of monopoly rent finding an outlet in expansion of the productive system and leads headlong into the growth of the public debt, which offers a possible outlet for the investment of excessive surplus profits. The austerity policies implemented do not permit reduction of the debt (which is their avowed objective) but, on the contrary, produce its continuous growth (which is the real, but unacknowledged, objective). Despite the victims’ protests, the electoral majorities (including the left) do not challenge the economy of the monopolies and consequently allow the descending movement to continue indefinitely. Naturally, the growing inequality calls for increasingly authoritarian political management internally and militarism on the world scale.

    • The Super PAC influence and the Supreme Court decision in 2010 that allowed corporations to spend unlimited amounts on federal elections are very destabilising and have implications for democracy in the US.

      link to nybooks.com

      "Beneath the turbulent political spectacle that has captured so much of the nation’s attention lies a more important question than who will get the Republican nomination, or even who will win in November: Will we have a democratic election this year? Will the presidential election reflect the will of the people? Will it be seen as doing so—and if not, what happens? The combination of broadscale, coordinated efforts underway to manipulate the election and the previously banned unlimited amounts of unaccountable money from private or corporate interests involved in those efforts threatens the democratic process for picking a president"

      I'm reading "the view from lazy point" at the moment and Carl Safina says that modern corporations were essentially illegal at the foundation of the US. The founders would never have tolerated the malign influence of Zionism either.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of the United States democratic system, said "I hope we shall crush ... in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country".

      Franklin D. Roosevelt, in an April 29, 1938 message to Congress, warned that the growth of private power could lead to fascism:

      The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power

  • Penn boycott conference is target in viral scare game
  • The Iraq war coverup: What did AIPAC do and when did it do it?
    • What is wrong with the Romney thread? None of the posts appear now, other than the 14 that were there earlier.

    • "some Jews really did push the Iraq war, out of a perceived Jewish interest-- supporting Israel right or wrong"

      I wonder for how much longer the Israelis can pull this one off . You must support torture and depleted uranium because you are Jewish and we are Israel and we do this in your name. .

  • So the U.S. military doesn't want to attack Iran and neither does Israel. Who does?
    • MRw

      What would happen if China sold all of its t-bills ? Any view as to what would transpire at the next t bill auction ?

    • The free world schtick is about 20 years out of date. China is propping up the dollar in 2012.

    • American

      The empire is the US economy. Built around waste and disposability and permagrowth. The US consumes 25% of all resources consumed worldwide. That is not some special interest group. It is the whole country. All of those American consumers. Any American with a pension scheme. All part of the system. The fact that they can but Middle East oil at any tank station- that is empire. It does not benefit everyone in the same way but that is the empire. Empires always have ruling classes and the US empire is no different. Was the British empire socialist?

  • Who's the moderate? Romney teams up with anti-Muslim speakers, Greater Israel advocates
    • Newt ran out of money in December. It's high octane bullshit and it's very expensive.
      Adelson had to bail him out.

      The pro occ anti Muslim thing is ultimately down to campaign finance and who pays for the ads. Why do politicians have ads anyway ?
      The only ones with pockets deep enough to fund the politicians are the sociopaths such as Zionists like Adelson.

      link to nybooks.com

      "Beneath the turbulent political spectacle that has captured so much of the nation’s attention lies a more important question than who will get the Republican nomination, or even who will win in November: Will we have a democratic election this year? Will the presidential election reflect the will of the people? Will it be seen as doing so—and if not, what happens? The combination of broadscale, coordinated efforts underway to manipulate the election and the previously banned unlimited amounts of unaccountable money from private or corporate interests involved in those efforts threatens the democratic process for picking a president. The assumptions underlying that process—that there is a right to vote, that the system for nominating and electing a president is essentially fair—are at serious risk. "

    • Romney is no moderate

      Abortion

      Gingrich supports federal ban or constitutional amendment banning abortion
      Romney says the issue should be left to individual states

      Economy

      Gingrich says he would balance the budget within five years with deep spending cuts
      Romney says he would cut corporate tax rates and focus on job growth

      Health care

      Gingrich would starve Obama's healthcare law of cash so it cannot be implemented
      Romney would issue an order giving back authority for healthcare to states

      Gay rights

      Gingrich against gay marriage, but says same-sex couples should have legal protections
      Romney opposes letting gay people marry, serve in the military or any government recognition of their relationships

      National security

      Gingrich says greatest danger is rise of radical Islam inside the US
      Romney wants increase in US's already substantial military budget

      Poverty

      Gingrich proposes that children should be put to work to learn the work ethic
      Romney says cash handouts to the poor trap them in poverty

  • Anti-Defamation League reprises debunked quote in attempt to discredit Helena Cobban and Penn BDS conference
    • All Zionist organisations are familiar with the dark arts of the media. The narrative is in trouble and they want to muddle through somehow. And Israel is a sacred mission. To get closer to Moshiach. So you can do whatever.

  • Mossad chief held secret talks in DC with top U.S. officials
    • I have the feeling the Mossad is one of these elite organisations that is going to be found out to be run by incompetents, just like Lehman Bros and Silvio Berlusconi's Italian Government. The Zeitgeist seems to have developed a habit of destroying reputations and the Israelis, God love them, seem to belive that Mossad is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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