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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • 'New Yorker' defends Rosenberg (and use of term 'Israel firster')
    • "Because, to paraphrase Sarah Schulman who saw I/P up close and had a personal transformation of her activist soul, “Once you see it, it is clear.”"

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      "On a presidential visit to Israel in 2008, Bush travels to Bethlehem by car rather than helicopter against the wishes of the Israelis because Rice wants him to see “the ugliness of the occupation, including the checkpoints and the security wall…for himself and [because] it would have been an insult to the Palestinians if he didn’t.” The barriers were taken down, the convoy traveled at speed, but Bush got the point, according to Rice: “‘This is awful,’ he said quietly.”

  • Netanyahu says, You also refused to bomb Auschwitz
    • Jewish pride has been mangled to produce YESHA.
      Jewish pride doesn't go with militarism . The militarists will eventually be defeated. What will be left in the wreckage ?

    • I think the case of the Hungarian Jews is one of the saddest. They survived until 1944 . The Germans were already losing the war. The Allies knew about the death camps. And the Hungarian Jews were betrayed.

      Hungary is still suffering because of this.

    • Israel has to grow up. Invoking the Holocaust over a regional power realignment is an insult to the millions of Jews who were murdered by the Nazis and their allies. The most appropriate way to honour their blessed memory is to fight for the human rights of everyone in the region, regardless of religion.

    • It wasn't just the Americans who abandoned the Jews of Hungary in 1944.

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      In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest. One man stood out among them, Dr. Rudolf Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation and even keep order in the collection camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price of 15,000 to 20,000 Jews - in the end there may have been more - was not too high for me.

  • Blasting Obama as 'blurred,' McConnell assures Israel lobby that bipartisan Congress will authorize 'overwhelming force' against Iran
    • Israel is talking itself into doing something that is against its own long term interests.
      Like a father who screams blue murder at his son and then has to really hurt him to retain his credibility.

      Israel can't afford a long drawn out conflict. The moden Israeli economy developed after Egypt was neutralised in 1978. The capital flows are very sensitive. Israel is most vulnerable in its financial underbelly.

      An attack on Iran would be lashing out. There wouldn't be any sense of control. The Israelis need to call Bibi's bluff. He's like Captain Schettino of the Costa Concordia with his salute off the coast of that island.

    • For Israel it's
      too high
      too far
      too soon

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    • "We share these interests with Israel. We have exactly the same interests," he said.

      Namely who gives a **** about the working people of the US.
      No money for schools in Michigan but unlimited resources for Israel's wars.
      I wonder what the bond markets will make of it.

  • 'We are you and you are us,' Netanyahu says-- but Obama thumbs him with talk of Palestinians and diplomacy
    • Saudi Arabia is just a Muslim version of Israel

      would you prefer to be orthodox +female in Bnei brak or orthodox and female in Taif ?

    • Poor Bibi

      Ohh, can't anybody see
      We've got a war to fight
      Never found our way
      Regardless of what they say

      How can it feel, this wrong
      From this moment
      How can it feel, this wrong

      Storm.. in the morning light
      I feel
      No more can I say
      Frozen to myself

      I got nobody on my side (AIPAC don't count)
      And surely that ain't right
      And surely that ain't right

      Ohh, can't anybody see
      We've got a war to fight
      Never found our way
      Regardless of what they say

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    • "you are not us and we are not you."

      Life is bigger
      It's bigger than you
      And you are not me
      The lengths that I will go to
      The distance in your eyes
      Oh no I've said too much
      I set it up

      That's me in the corner
      That's me in the spotlight
      Losing my Zionism

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    • "My supreme responsibility as Prime Minister of Israel is to ensure that Israel remains the master of its fate"

      It's 45 years too late , dude

    • ...I think that, as you said, when Americans look around the Middle East today, they see one reliable, stable, faithful ally of the United States, and that's the one that puts the gasoline in their cars and it's Saudi Arabia.

  • Three harsh critiques of the lobby
    • I think if you look at the amount of money the US has spent on wars in the Middle East in the last 10 years and where the money could have gone in terms of health, education and social protection the role of AIPAC goes beyond foreign policy. Every dollar wasted on permanent war is a dollar taken from some American citizen (and borrowed from China).

    • How can Israel attract facebookers?
      Who do they have? Netanyahu, war criminals, Lieberman, torturers, the Hebron settlers, neofascists, Danon, racists.

      You can put the most expensive lipstick on a pig and give it a flash website and spend millions on PR for the creature but you can't make anyone love it.

    • Jenny Tonge and the reaction of the establishment probably the most interesting.
      She's just extending current trends a few decades out.

      the other day I found a load of internet comments about Israel I filed back in 2007

      Some of them are very funny

      "If the bike/car had been in my family for several generations and some jerk who had never set foot anywhere near the bike/car and tried to claim that his ancestors once had it thousands of years ago, well, I'd laugh in his face.
      Or worse, if he tried to claim it was his bike/car because he or his mother converted to a particular religion that he claimed used to have ownership of the car/bike, well, he'd be considered looneytunes by any thinking person. "

      Some things haven't changed

      Saamidun - 01:53pm Feb 6, 2007 GMT (#57 of 85)
      Well they got to call them every name in the book. Its to keep up the myth- at least in their minds- that criticism of Israel is either

      1- not new

      2- not done by Jews


      3- self hating Jews

      "It is the deepest thing in the zionist psyche - that it needs enemies."

      "The only time the average American gets news about Israel is when there is a terrorist attack. Otherwise the average American doesn`t get any news about Israel or Palestine at all. In-depth knowledge about Israel/Palestine is limited to those who are politically active on either the left or the right. That is the minority of US citizens. Typical US response to the Israel/Palestine conflict is to throw up your hands and declair that both sides are bound and determined to kill each other forever, so there is nothing the US can do to bring peace. And as long as casualties on both sides are limited to a politically acceptable level, there is no reason to even pay attention. Average US opinion doesn`t go any deeper into the issues than this: "Jesus was a Jew, so those Israeli`s must be OK guys, Arabs/Muslims are terrorists so they get what they deserve". All without knowing the slightest bit who Sharon is, or who Hamas is. Much less Olmert or Abbas.
      Most americans are woefully ignorant of the complexity of the conflict. If more americans saw the iDF using Palestinian boys as human shields (as reported only days ago by haaretz), saw the summary executions of accused terrorists without trial, saw the cluster bombing of Lebanon, and knew the real story of the occupied trerritories, they would not be so blindly supportive of Israel. they would recognise that both parties to this confluctyy are equally intransigent, and frankly, insane. the narrative we hear is that "palestinians are terrorists" and Israelis are good, democratic people who just want to be left alone. Jakoba, you have swallowed a massive lump of dung about the behavior of the state of Israel, as has the American public. Your narrayive is laughably simplistic. We have two large holes in the concrete of central Manhattan, partly thanks to our uncritical support for morally repugnant Israeli policies. Most Americans would be ashamed, if only they would read a newspaper...

      If Americans really knew what`s going on in Israel they`d change their view. For me and every other American I`ve ever know who`s gone to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza there has been an amazing realization that Jimmy Carter is more right than wrong.

      In time, most American`s will NOT support Israel. So you can flap all you want but in stock market terms Israel is a good short."

      Meir Shalev - Yediot Aharonot - [Translation of speech at May 3 rally] "Forty years of occupation are forty years of no education, no health, no personal security, no welfare, and also no proper military training - and the result is all too visible. But the urgent need for a vision to guide us to a better future is something which your successors will have to address, not you. From you we expect and demand just this: go home. Goodbye."

      The truth of every word that Gideon Samet has written is deeply shocking, not only because of its total accuracy (indeed it was in Hebron 1968 that our national catastrophe began), but mainly because of the hopelessness of the present regime vis-a-vis the rampaging settlers and their cohorts. And at the same time we see admirable capable honest people in Labor, shorn of any official ability to do anything. Is there no way to stem this disasterous tide?

      'Tossers such as efjay are cheapening the charge of anti-semitism to the point that it is becoming almost meaningless.'

      the Israeli people also have to ask themselves
      what their governement made out of the past
      6 months with (relative) quiet:

      To be honest, pretty much nothing.

      Neither a counter offer to the Arab league,
      nor any own diplomatic initiative, I am afraid
      that`s simply not good enough.
      Exactly what would another Israeli invasionof Gaza accomplish? It might make Israelis feel good for a day or two, but it will NOT, repeat NOT, bring any sort of peace. For those that advocate this path, I have a simple question ... How many Palestinians (or non-Jews to those that object to that name) will Israel have to kill to achieve peace? Hundreds? Thousands? millions? all? When people are forced to answer that question, the path Israel is on becomes very problematic. It is impossible for Israel to achieve any semblance of peace by force any more. During biblical times that may have been possible (my massacring the enemy) but that is no longer possible. So if force will not work and is counterproductive, what path should Israel follow? I know what I think, but it is time for Israelis to address that very difficult but obvious question. "If not force, WHAT?"

      "Today, Israel and its Western defenders insist, genocidal anti-Semitism consists mainly of any attempt to take away and to refuse to uphold the absolute right of Israel to be a racist Jewish state. "

      In the meantime everything has deteriorated.

    • Winston Churchill's testimony to the 1937 Peel Commission on Palestine

      "I do not admit that the dog in the manger [ Palestinian Arabs in Palestine] has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. . .
      "I do not admit that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race. . . has come in and taken their place."

      Israel was founded on this thinking. It's run on this thinking.
      And now it is 2012. And the world has changed utterly

  • How Tony Judt broke with exclusivist ideology
    • Victor Klemperer's diaries are worth reading. Despite everything that happened to him, he never lost his humanity and compassion.
      Judt carried his until the end. That is why he rejected Zionism. The cult is devoid of compassion.

  • VIDEO: UCLA students walk out on IDF campus event
  • Young activist disrupts AIPAC panel about 'Israel on Campus'
    • From the same link

      "The foundation-stone of Ḥasidism as laid by Besht is a strongly marked pantheistic conception of God. He declared the whole universe, mind and matter, to be a manifestation of the Divine Being; that this manifestation is not an emanation from God, as is the conception of the Cabala, for nothing can be separated from God: all things are rather forms in which He reveals Himself. When man speaks, said Besht, he should remember that his speech is an element of life, and that life itself is a manifestation of God. Even evil exists in God. This seeming contradiction is explained on the ground that evil is not bad in itself, but only in its relation to man. It is wrong to look with desire upon a woman; but it is divine to admire her beauty: it is wrong only in so far as man does not regard beauty as a manifestation of God, but misconceives it, and thinks of it in reference to himself. Nevertheless, sin is nothing positive, but is identical with the imperfections of human deeds and thought. Whoever does not believe that God resides in all things, but separates Him and them in his thoughts, has not the right conception of God. It is equally fallacious to think of a creation in time: creation, that is, God's activity, has no end. God is ever active in the changes of nature: in fact, it is in these changes that God's continuous creativeness consists"
      The Baal Shem Tov would have supported justice for the Palestinians.

    • It's really important for US Jews to stand up to the Zionist machine. Israel can still be saved. I think this quote of the Baal Shem Tov (aka the Besht) , the founder of Hasidism, should be read out at every disrupted Zionist meeting

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      "As long as a diseased limb is connected with the body, there is hope that it may be saved; but, once amputated, it is gone, and there is no hope."

    • The pro-Israel lobby is today deployed like a juggernaut against any rational discussion

    • What about MJ?

  • Watch live video from OccupyAIPAC
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      The president has just turned to a section of the speech that may be seized on as its lasting message: "Already, there is too much loose talk of war."

      He quotes Teddy Roosevelt: "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

      To observers of the president's drone strike campaign against Al Qaeda militants, his killing of Osama bin Laden and his expansion of the war in Afghanistan, the phrase may resonate.

      But it's the very opposite of what many in the crowd were hoping for, which was that he would speak loudly.

    • Gideon Levy and I couldn't agree more with him

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      "For now, Obama may be unable to prohibit Israel from a military adventure in Iran without offering serious quid pro quo. After all, we are talking about the prime minister of Israel. But one day the rope could snap and the whole thing could blow up in the face of power-drunk Israel: Israel doesn't know when to stop, and it could pay dearly as a result."

    • "You use the suffering of the Syrians to whitewash Israeli criminality. You use suffering ELSEWHERE to downplay suffering in Israel-Palestine."

      Hasbara 101

      "The Israel-Palestine conflict is a COLONIAL conflict in which the indigenous Palestinian Arabs and Bedouins have been pacified (for the most part)."

      It's a dysfunctional colonial conflict in which the natives who have been swept under the carpet are now moving the house backwards to the distress of the colonists.

    • I thought the section on Zionism was way too long and this part was unwarranted :

      The following verses (from the 23rd chapter of Exodus) present Zionism in a nutshell :

      I will send my terror upon all the people whose land you invade, and they will panic before you. I will send hornets ahead of you to drive out the Hivites, Canaanites, and Hittites. But I will not do this all in one year because the land would become a wilderness, and the wild animals would become too many to control. I will drive them out a little at a time until your population has increased enough to fill the land and I will fix your boundaries from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the southern deserts to the Euphrates River. I will help you defeat the people now living in the land, and you will drive them out ahead of you.

      Make no treaties with them and have nothing to do with their gods. Do not even let them live among you! If you do, they will infect you with their sin of idol worship, and that would be disastrous for you. (Scripture quotations are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright 1996. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc, Wheaton, Illinois 60189. All rights reserved.)

      The ADL and the Dersh would have a field day with it.

  • Ahmed Moor in WaPo: Harvard One State conference 'informed by the uncontroversial view that all people are created equal'
    • The Europeans were prime culprits. It was easier to foist their "Jewish problem" onto the Arabs than to face up to it.

    • "For some, everything that happens in the Middle East is viewed through the prism of what is best for the Jewish people"

      They got 60 years and they messed it up. They now have a militarist state that is more dangerous for Jews than anywhere in the Diaspora. 30% of Israeli Jewish kids are hungry. What is the point ?

  • Scott Brown tries to score points on Elizabeth Warren by calling on Harvard to cancel One State conference this weekend
    • The Zionists work by 1) screaming blue antisemitic murder and 2) destroying all potential opponents militarily and both of these modes of operation look tricky in 2012 now they have lost control of the narrative.

    • "she firmly believes in a two-state solution,"
      That train left years ago.
      Presumably she also firmly believes in sub prime mortgages.

  • In 45 minutes with Obama, Goldberg asks repeatedly about Iran, nothing about Palestinians
    • This article is worth reading in full for what it says about the ineptitude that led to the war in Iraq. Which is now being repeated. So much for the Democrats .

      But there is also this insight which says so much about Israel

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      "On a presidential visit to Israel in 2008, Bush travels to Bethlehem by car rather than helicopter against the wishes of the Israelis because Rice wants him to see “the ugliness of the occupation, including the checkpoints and the security wall…for himself and [because] it would have been an insult to the Palestinians if he didn’t.” The barriers were taken down, the convoy traveled at speed, but Bush got the point, according to Rice: “‘This is awful,’ he said quietly.”"

      And some day the American people are going to see the issue in the same way and it will be very bad for Israel.

  • If you name your group 'Emergency Committee for Israel,' do you get to call people bigots when they say you're an 'Israel Firster'?
    • They really went after MJ Rosenberg in the NYT and there was such a rabid intensity about the assault and I wonder if they know what they are doing.

      I thought it was like a grown man running across town in a rage in his pyjamas determined to thrash his kid. And everyone watching. And he can't catch the kid. And nobody knew that this man was like that before.

      It's never this open. They must be desperate.

    • Rosenberg/Weiss/Horowitz/Blumenthal/Vilkomerson on one side
      Dershowitz/Kristol/Foxman/Rubin/Krauthammer on the other


      digital photography
      Kodak film

      vs old man trousers pulled up way above the waist

      vs age

      vs death

  • 'Under Attack': the Golani Brigade's treatment of Palestinians in Al-Khalil/Hebron
    • The Fairuz song is perfect.

      ما شاء الله

    • I think it could all run beyond Israel's control reasonably quickly. I would be concerned, if I were an Israeli policymaker, about how much solid diplomatic support Israel is likely to have over the next few years as the situation continues to deteriorate and Israel moves further to the right.

      I think the biggest worry for Israel has to be how the hasbara works on those now in their 20s in Europe and the US. They have talked themselves into it in Hebrew but getting the goys onside in English is a total different kettle of metaphors.

    • There apparently is no other way to continue the Jewish presence in Hebron. It has become so poisoned that they need 24 hour army backup.

      I don't know how any Israeli Jew can raise kids in Hebron . What parent would willingly place a child in such a cauldron of hatred? Imagine the psychological damage and stress the kids suffer. I suppose it's all linked to AIPAC and the cult of Zionism and then some.

  • J Street's call for Iran diplomacy earns ire of Jewish establishment
    • "The best question came from from Rabbi Basil Herring, executive vice president of the (Orthodox) Rabbinical Council of America. Noting the difficulty in destroying Iran’s underground nuclear installations, Herring asked if Israel would consider “the use of tactical nuclear weapons in areas that aren’t so populated, or in the open desert? To show the Iranians that their lives are on the line, that Israel won’t go quietly?”"

      And this is all kosher lemehadrin is it?
      What an appalling mess Israel has become. Religious leaders openly calling for the use of nuclear weapons. Rav Basil Fawlty should take a good look at himself in the mirror. Next time he reads Torah he should stop moaning about the Pharoah. Major Jewish Organisations are the empire now.

  • The last time a Democratic president took on Benjamin Netanyahu...
  • Consequences of an attack on Iran are no joke
  • Responding to commenters on recent bannings
    • Are the CZ not the footsoldiers and the JZs the Brahmins of the whole Zionist project in the US ? the CZs are the ones Fox programs to. why else would it be rabidly pro Israel? Who else votes pro Israel? There aren't enough Jews to make it worth the Republicans' time in terms of votes .

    • It's a pity he's away. People take things very personally.
      And it's the hours before the dawn.

    • "But hey i understand that you may not want your site to be singled out by “the community” as a pig troth for antisemites thereby minimizing the power of the arguments that are being made here about jewish power and it’s leaning to protect israel."

      I think that's it. It's like a bullfight. Israel/YESHA has already been pierced . The target is still some way off but it will come. The coup de grace will require cunning and skill and no baggage.

    • We already knew all the hasbara Walid.

      I have yet to come across a decent defence of Israel .

    • Chaos

      All the banned comments are currently with an investment bank in Wall St. They will be repackaged and given a AA rating by S&P and sold to Sovereign Wealth funds. Nothing is ever wasted. Everything is used.

    • That's a lovely post, Kathleen.

    • It's so interesting. The Zionists class all anti-Zionism as antisemitism.

      Antisemitism is about persecuting Jews because they are Jewish.

      The Lobby and Zionism are not about Judaism itself but about the abuse of power by a group of Jews with power and their support base. The issues are competence and integrity rather than inherent Jewishness.

      Say Israel was a stock company and an analyst from say JP Morgan looked at it and wrote a "sell" report that outlined all of the reasons why the stock was going to tank. It wouldn't have anything to do with the Jewishness of the management. It wouldn't be antisemitic to recommend to investors to dump the stock.
      It would relate to management competence.

      And that's why Israel is in trouble.

    • Getting rid of Witty is a real step forward.

    • "when in fact there are many Jews who are not Zionists, including Adam and me and Jeff Blankfort, too"

      What %? 5 ?

      When it all falls apart the US Jewish community will be rent asunder. There are far too few who engage the tikkun olam and far too many who are tribal. It is a very Jewish tragedy.

      Israel would collapse tomorrow if enough people in Eretz America stood up to the hoodlums.

  • Journalists Mike Murphy of NBC and Donna Brazile of CNN to speak at conference promoting Iran war
    • link to

      Confirmed Speakers:
      President of the United States Barack Obama
      Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
      Israeli President Shimon Peres
      Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta
      Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
      House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
      Senator Carl Levin (D-MI)
      Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-CT)
      Senator Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
      ...and many more!

      I wonder how much they can keep on pretending that support for Jewish ethnocracy is Progressive .

      "The Progressive Case for Israel: Liberals Supporting the Jewish State
      Support for the U.S.-Israel relationship across the political spectrum is the key ingredient to ensuring Israel's safety, security and very survival. This session features some of America's most well-known progressive leaders, making the case for why progressives do and should support the Jewish state.

      The Honorable Al Green (D-TX)*
      Member, United States House of Representatives
      The Honorable John Perez (D-CA)
      Speaker of the Assembly, California State Assembly "

      how many Occupy leaders will be at AIPAC ?

  • The Israeli case for war in 'The New York Times'
    • Very interesting haaretz comment
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      Israel will demand the US maintain the veto vote in the UNSC and ignore the illegal settlements and demand the Palestinians negotiate on Israel's terms or Israel will attack Iran. The US might think Israel is mad enough. The Palestinians will be screwed again
      talknic 01.03.12 16:21

    • DB expands on the theme of Bibi and Obama in this slam dunk from the New York Review which is worth reading in full.

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      Barack Obama from the start of his presidency has exhibited an almost exclusive taste for the dignified part of government. During the BP oil spill, his remoteness from the plod and toil of problem-solving showed day after day. That was a “teachable moment,” if ever there was one: a public catastrophe that implicated the environment and energy resources close to home for all Americans. The moment escaped this president, as the nuclear disaster in Japan has also escaped him. He never broke a sweat as he could have—literally and figuratively—by descending into the muck on the spoiled Louisiana beaches. Few presidents have ever seemed farther than Obama from being “in the thick of things.” The impression came back as he left Washington with Netanyahu triumphant, and took a plane for Ireland to speak of hope and peace.

      On May 26, at the urging of the President, the Senate and House voted to renew the Patriot Act. Obama signed it with a teleportable pen, from France. He has said that he would look to the future, not the past—a slogan that nullifies the large part of justice that consists of accountability—but here was an element of the Bush-Cheney past that he chose to project into the future with as little discussion as possible. Obama’s real trouble has come, however, in his attempts to inhabit the present. He is slower to react than most people, far slower than most politicians. He gave away six months of the health care debate without pressing his initial advantage while the resistance sprang up all around, the Tea Party was created, and congressional enemies gained on him. He let the controversy over his birth certificate blow up to absurd proportions over two and a half years before dispelling all doubts at a stroke in a press briefing that was hastily called and testily managed. At present, he is waiting for Afghanistan to calm down and let him withdraw troops on a deliberate schedule. But things can flare up while you are waiting, or flare up elsewhere and set back every cautious preparation.

      The position of a moderate who aspires to shake the world into a new shape presents a continuous contradiction. For the moderate feels constrained not to say anything startling, and not to do anything very fast. But just as there is trouble with doing things on the old lines, there is trouble, too, with letting people understand things on the old lines. At least, there is if you have your sights set on changing the nature of the game. Obama is caught in this contradiction, and keeps getting deeper in it, like a man who sinks in quicksand both the more he struggles and the more he stays still. This is one lesson of his passage from inaction in Egypt to action in Libya, and from his summons of reform in Cairo in June 2009 to the guarded speech from the sidelines in May 2011.

  • Emergency Committee for Israel fires pro-war propaganda blast at Obama
  • Dershowitz claims he 'exposed' CAP and Rosenberg, and calls out Barbra Streisand
    • The Dersh will get what Rupert Murdoch got . They both ruled by fear. Nobody would touch them. They both went too far. Murdoch got his comeuppance last year. The Dersh's awaits.

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      The game is up for Rupert Murdoch. The head of News Corp has held sway over Britain’s media industry for a generation. Prime ministers have feared and feted him. He has outwitted regulators and outgunned rivals. Now, suddenly, it is all unravelling. The media mogul has lost his touch. These things happen.
      News International, Mr Murdoch’s London-based company, is under criminal investigation for alleged telephone hacking and illegal payments to police officers. Scotland Yard has 50 officers on the case. Executives have been accused, under the protection of parliamentary privilege of perverting the course of justice. The allegations about the activities at the tabloid News of the World have stirred a wave of public revulsion. With advertisers threatening a boycott and the prime minister endorsing calls for a public inquiry, the company has announced the closure of the best-selling 168-year-old Sunday title.
      There was a time when the businessman who built News Corp would have gripped such a crisis at the outset.
      Watching these politicians throw bricks has been to realise that the News Corp spell has been broken. There has always been something faintly hysterical about the charge that British politics has been held helpless hostage to the Murdoch empire. He has never been as powerful as his enemies imagined. For all that, it has been instructive to watch the fears of retribution draining away; and, with them, Mr Murdoch’s power.

  • Just in time for Netanyahu visit, neocon ad in 'NYT' attacks MJ Rosenberg and CAP
    • They are not afraid of Muslims. Maybe the ordinary schmucks of Israel are (if they aren't they must be independent readers who can think for themselves ) but the psychopaths in charge aren't. They want total spectrum dominance. Plus they want the IDf to continue as is milking $3bn a year from American taxpayers. Why did Israel bomb the crap out of Lebanon in 2006 and of Gaza in 2008? Because all opposition must be crushed at source. And because Israel is driven by war.

      This is the DNA of Zionism.

      How is our glorious country ploughed?
      Not by iron ploughs
      How is our glorious country ploughed?
      Not by iron ploughs
      Our land is ploughed by tanks and feet,
      Feet Marching
      Our lands is ploughed by tanks and feet,
      Feet Marching
      What is the glorious fruit of our land?
      Its fruit is deformed children.
      What is the glorious fruit of our land?
      Its fruit is orphaned children.

      link to

    • I wonder what the people in Israel think. Not all help is helpful.

    • It names M.J. Rosenberg of Media Matters and says he is a bigot

      "It was a technique which the Zionists were to employ throughout their struggle. The technique of promoting damaging personal attacks on those who stood in their way rather than trying to counter their arguments."

      "Such non conformists were subtly made aware that their jobs might be at risk, their books unpublishable, their preferment out of the question, their public reputations vulnerable if they did not renounce the heresy of anti Zionism "

      Publish it not, Mayhew and Adams, 1975

    • It's war.

      Of course they have to bring in the Nazis. Check.
      Antisemitism. Check
      anti Jewish check
      Libels check
      Defamation check
      Slanders check
      Iran check
      Hate check

      The only thing missing is the reference to matzos

      Look at the telephone numbers of the sponsors.

      This is Zionism in action in broad daylight.
      These people are not going to go quietly.

  • Netanyahu seeks Iran conflict, extremist reaction to knock out Obama
    • Even with all of that Iran is a risk that can't be controlled. If they go to depose the government for the sake of Israeli, Saudi Arabia could be in trouble. The US economy is very fragile and it can't afford oil at $200 a barrel. Even 1% er psychopaths like their economic growth.

      Even with neofascism there are certain limits that must be respected.

      Economics did for the Nazis in the end, remember.

      Israel is taking a massive gamble. It reminds me of the ghost dancers of the Sioux who thought they were invincible . Or the Bankers at Lehmans who were sure they'd be bailed out.

      The other thing is that the US can stay stupid longer than Israel can stay solvent.

    • There is something almost mythological about Bibi's desire to ignite a massive regional conflagration in order to finish off the Palestinians.

    • Israel has 2 built for purpose mid air refuellers and a couple of converted Boeings. Any mission to dump bombs on Iran will hinge on these and they are the weakest link in the chain.

      Israel is in a very bad place if the leadership needs a risk like Iran to work out.

    • The Samson option and the Masada cult should have been dumped years ago. If Israel deliberately fires nuclear bombs to secure regional hegemony for a few years what is the point of Israel?

      Fukushima turned much of the world against nuclear power. Nuclear bombs would turn the whole world against Israel.

    • Teddy loved war until his own son was killed.

      link to

      "In his own place, Roosevelt proudly sent two of his sons off to fight, only to be devastated when his youngest boy, Quentin, was killed flying a combat mission over France.
      But his ferocity of spirit could not make up for his accumulated political mistakes, and he was left to public and private exertions that succeeded chiefly in exhausting him. Quentin’s death was the last crushing blow: the Rough Rider who had loudly romanticized war as uplifting and even ennobling sobbed over his poor “Quentyquee.” “What made this loss so devastating to him,” Morris observes, “was the truth it conveyed: that death in battle was no more glamorous than death in an abbatoir.”"

      BTW there won't be any Netanyahus dying in Iran .That is the job of Americans.

    • Or to remove the population

    • It's all hopelessly optimistic Dan. Romney is walking wounded politically. Santorum has no chance. The Zionists don't understand what has changed over the last 2 years. Arab revolutions and Occupy are 2 massive developments. The ongoing financial crisis is hurting ordinary people and things are potentially very volatile.
      This is shaping up to be Israel betting the house on a 25% chance.

  • The Rosh Hashanah sermon on Fire Island
    • Yeah Mooser.

      Danon is asked are you racist. He says he's not racist but for "Jewish continuity".

    • I think it's because they know that any acknowledgement of Palestinian rights is going to tear Judaism apart. The neverending peace process is so important to the religion. It gives the impression that something is being done. When the opposite is the case. It's going to be a bitch to unwind.

    • "And he got up and he gave a talk about how the fact that this vote could come up at the UN was proof that the Jews were not considered fully human in this society and never would be."

      What an absolute crock of ****

      Reminds me of Fawlty Towers

      link to

  • Barghouthi and Erakat can reach young Americans
    • WJ

      I think you need to take up the New Testament with Rome. I agree that certain parts of it are anti Jewish. They should really be dumped. The current Pope is not interested in ecumenism with Protestants not to mention Jews.

      Jews as per anyone else should be respected based on their behaviour and not on whatever racist crap is written in some holy book from the Iron age or slightly later.

      The recent price tag attacks on Christian property in Jerusalem are quite disturbing.

    • WJ

      What is your take on the Farhud? Does it chime with the Zionist view that it was a watershed that fits within the framework of the Shoah ?

      The British put down the Palestinian revolt 1936-39 2 years before the Farhud. Are you aware of this ?

      "To compare Israeli warmaking with Mr. Barghouthi’s method of peacemaking is only appropriate if indeed Mr. Barghouthi is intent upon war making as well. He claims to be an advocate of equality and not an advocate of war."

      I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill .
      With what would Barghouti fight a war? Has he ever counselled war?

    • European Jew hatred wasn't anything to do with the Arabs. The Arabs warned the state department in the 1940s that Zionism was a disaster and they were right .

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      The anti Zionist riots in Iraq started when it was clear what the Zionist Jews were going to do to the Palestinians. (Baghdad's Jews were amongst the first Jewish victims of the Zionists. They won't be the last.)

      And what they actually did was far worse that anyone ever imagined. Who could have visualised Gaza in 2009 as the fate of the fellahin of Southern Palestine ?

      Even if the Jews needed a state they could have paid for it.

      "the stated goal of unity negates the use of religious imagery when other images would suffice."

      When Israeli Jewish kids no longer paint Stars of David onto missiles you might have a point.

      "the Zionist project was necessitated by a coming storm"

      And what do you have to say to the people of Iran? Do they deserve what Israel has planned for them ?

      Zionism is a Jewish tragedy.

    • How does it look to Palestinian Christians who had nothing to do with European antisemitism or the pogroms or the Shoah ? 80% of them have been driven out of their own country by Zionism. Is the Jewish view the only one permitted ?

      Ithink the whole thing just shows how stupid it was to build the Zionist project in Palestine. The Iraqis warned the US about this all through the 1940s.

    • Why do young americans have to be reached? Why can't they find?
      What happens to all the kids who go to university ? Don't they learn anything about how the world works ?

    • Who does Israel have to counter them?

      Danny Danon.

      link to

      He is very wooden.
      What young Jew can make persecution sexy ?

  • Will the US act as Israel's proxy against Iran?
    • "In particular, Netanyahu wants Obama to state unequivocally that the United States is preparing for a military operation in the event that Iran crosses certain "red lines," said the official; Israel feels this will increase pressure on Iran by making clear that there exists a real U.S. threat."

      It's so appalling that all the major Jewish organisations back this.
      Bibi should be in a secure psychiatric wing.

  • Ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous
    • The US takes 25% of global resource consumption annually. 5% of global population . This has very little to do with Israel. It is more about US imperialism. US waste should be a much bigger issue than it is.

      All those obese Americans who drive everywhere are self motivated. Another takeaway pizza . Israel doesn't come into it.

      AIPAC is a political lobby that aligns Israeli goals to US imperialism. It will be a real b"tch when the US turns on Israel.

      I was skiing last week. We had a big fall of snow that melted on the Wednesday. There was one spot in the middle of a sidewalk that caught my attention. It had been joined to a big snowdrift on the edge of the sidewalk that was still huge but over the course of the day became separated. I was thinking of Israel. Distance sucks. Of course it melted faster than the snow on the edge of the sidewalk.

    • Taxi

      khalaas ya'ni

      It is only getting interesting now. The Ziobots are all the same. Jewish exceptionalism and privilege trump Palestinian rights every time. The debate is going to happen here first. Why not be part of it ?

      Nobody doubts your integrity or commitment to the sha'ab al 'arbi. Count to ashra and get back in there.

    • AIPAC is most dangerous to the Jewish community. Tikkun olam endures. Insane militarism doesn't. AIPAC has all of the community's eggs in one basket. Israel will lose that one war.

    • I think the US Military Industrial complex is far bigger than AIPAC. AIPAC rides on the coat tails of US corporate psychopathy. It is a little Satan.

  • Gorenberg on why one state is a non-starter: Jews would have to pay higher taxes or receive fewer services
    • Multiculti works in most places. India is one of the best examples.
      Switzerland is also good.

    • He is demagoguing against multiculturalism itself.

      He is a Zionist. The ultra Zionist Jpost shot itself in the foot with this multikulti op ed last July

      link to

      While there is absolutely no justification for the sort of heinous act perpetrated this weekend in Norway, discontent with multiculturalism’s failure must not be delegitimatized or mistakenly portrayed as an opinion held by only the most extremist elements of the Right.

    • There already is one state. Jews like their benefits. Who wouldn't? What mouth foaming right winger wouldn't want to reduce 50% of one's fellow citizens to a state of subcontinental penury and convince oneself that there is no alternative and what's more that it is all sanctioned by G-D ?

    • "Jews would have to pay higher taxes".. .

      They are currently subsidised by the Palestinians they have driven into perpetual penury. Israel's government expenses are far higher than the capacity of Jewish taxpayers to support them .

      Take away the free land and the water and the raw materials the occupation provides them, take away the captive Palestinian markets for crap Israeli products they can't sell anywhere else and Israel enjoys a standard of living that has no bearing to its actual productive output.

  • Dershowitz wants MJ Rosenberg fired for daring to stop Iran war push
    • Annie

      You need to sit down and have a nice cup of tea ;)

    • MJ Rosenberg should take this fight to the Dersh and the rest of the Zionist douchebags . They have been doing this for 4 generations.

      "The Foreign secretary's hatred of the Jews was not hidden. it was only too apparent in New York. It gave colour to the view that Ernest Bevin wanted Jews crushed"

      It was a technique which the Zionists were to employ throughout their struggle. The technique of promoting damaging personal attacks on those who stood in their way rather than trying to counter their arguments."

      "Such non conformists were subtly made aware that their jobs might be at risk, their books unpublishable, their preferment out of the question, their public reputations vulnerable if they did not renounce the heresy of anti Zionism "

      Publish it not, Mayhew and Adams, 1975

    • That vignette by MJ Rosenberg is full of wisdom and decency.

      Very similar to the sentiment expressed by that Iranian filmmaker when he won the Oscar. Who can stand up honestly for hatred and fear mongering ?

      And of course it reminded me of this :

      link to

    • "Publish it not" is a wonderful compendium of Zionist career destruction and assassination both of character and of body and the Dersh just continues the gruesome tradition. It's about time the Jewish people stood up to their hoodlum cousins in Israel and AIPAC.

  • BDS Victory in Japan: Distributor drops Ahava because of the company’s illegal practices
  • Iran's Oscar win reveals Israeli movie-goers to be brainwashed bumpkins
    • The country is in the spell of a redundant ideology and that covers the universities as well.

      There are not so many independent thinkers in Israel- everything is subordinate to the army. Even the liberal arts.

      Elik Elhanan on the militarist cancer that is at the heart of Israeli society

      link to

      start at 15.00

  • 'Christ at the Checkpoint' conference brings Evangelical leaders to Bethlehem
    • They should talk to this priest while they are over

      "Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Custodian of the Holy Land and head of the Franciscan Order in Israel, was responding to incidents that included painting slogans on the Narkis Street Baptist Congregation, on a Christian cemetery on Mount Zion and on the Greek Orthodox monastery in the Valley of the Cross. The slogans included "Jesus is dead," "Death to Christianity," "Mary is a whore" and "price tag.""

      And this is magnificent

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      "This letter, though, is not about religious Jewish Zionism and its destructive effects on Israeli policy. It is about the Christian version of the same belief. This Christian version of Zionism matters deeply, not just because theology intrinsically matters, but because it is overwhelmingly clear that American evangelical-fundamentalist Christian Zionism affects US policy toward Israel and the Palestinians in distressing ways. It is one reason why the United States stands almost alone in the world community in supporting Israeli policies which our international friends generally find intolerable if not immoral and illegal.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, we wish to claim here that the prevailing version of American Christian Zionism—that is, your belief system—underwrites theft of Palestinian land and oppression of Palestinian people, helps create the conditions for an explosion of violence, and pushes US policy in a destructive direction that violates our nation’s commitment to universal human rights. In all of these, American Christian Zionism as it currently stands is sinful and produces sin. We write as evangelical Christians committed lifelong to Israel's security, and we are seriously worried about your support for policies that violate biblical warnings about injustice and may lead to the outcome you most fear—serious harm to or even destruction of Israel.

      We write as evangelicals to you, our fellow evangelicals. On the shared basis of biblical authority, we ask you to reconsider your interpretation of Scripture, for the sake of God, humanity, the United States, and, yes, Israel itself, the Land and People we both love."

      Evangelicalism will fall with Zionism unless the right steps are taken now

  • New Republic says 'all of western civilization' could be threatened by Iran
    • I have heard at least 2 Israeli leaders refer to "the free world" as a justification for an insane assault on another Muslim country. I thought I was back in the 1980s .

    • "All of Western Civilization Could Soon Be Threatened By a Nuclear Iran..."

      This schtick is Aarne-Thompson-Uther type 20C, which includes other not necessarily Israeli or Zionist fairytales that address paranoia and mass hysteria.

      link to

    • link to

      According to transcripts released by the State Department, Kissinger, who was Haig's deputy, said to Garment: "Is there a more self-serving group of people than the Jewish community?" Kissinger is Jewish.
      Garment, also Jewish, replied: "None in the world."
      At this point, Kissinger was quoted as saying "What the hell do they think they are accomplishing?"
      Kissinger went on: "You can't even tell bastards anything in confidence because they'll leak it."

    • Western civilisation yada yada. What is civilised about drones and torture and Jewish settlers , Israeli white phosphorous and burning Qur'ans ? The US is let down by the stupidity of its leaders and the ignorance of its soldiers.

      Iran has a glorious culture. What has Israel produced to match Rumi ?

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  • 'Kissinger believes Israelis are in panic and will attack Iran' (2010)
    • I think Israel attacking Iran will be like the ABN Amro deal that killed RBS . Everyone knows it was stupid now but at the time nothing would stop RBS.

      RBS bought ABN Amro in 2007
      link to

      timescale 5 years

    • Panic attack treatment is available for Israel

      link to

    • Israel would have been so much better off losing the 1967 war and sorting out the Palestinian issue then and there. The last 45 years of occupation have corroded Israeli politics and society to the point where now the only logical thing to do is attack Iran. It is all very sad. Militarism does not work long term. The soldiers should have been put back in their box a la Turkey .

  • Forward: 'Israel and most US Jewish orgs are beating drums of war'
    • "Just now, Israel and most American Jewish organizations are loudly beating the drums of war [against Iran]"

      The German people learnt the lesson of World war 2 . The Russian people did too.
      Why didn't the people of Israel?

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