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"Either we are all sacred or none of us is" - Paul Fourhorns Tenoso "One has to bear in mind that Israelis live in a largely mythic world, a somewhat modified and vastly simplified version of the Iliad. In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” jon s November 16, 2014, 6:56 am "Hophmi, for participating in efforts to promote Jewish-Muslim understanding , is ridiculed, while Max and David , for spreading lies and promoting hatred , are to be admired." I just think Judaism needs to get back to that justice setting.

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  • The spoils of lawfare, or please do not pet the Islamists: Shurat HaDin's 2012 'Ultimate Mission to Israel'
    • All those cult members live. The ideology in the flesh. The fragility of it all. Visit now while it still exists. I would LOVE to go on the ultimate mission to Israel. But my wife won't let me.

  • The evolution of Peter Beinart
    • Thoughtful as ever, Krauss.

      Property rights for Palestinians within the Green line have the capacity to short circuit the Zionist brain and turn even the most confident Ziobot to a gibbering wreck.

      The history of what they did has been suppressed for all these years because it is toxic to Zionism. They can try to shield it with the gay pride parade in Jerusalem but the rays go right through it and into the DNA of Zionism.

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      The kibbutz mentioned after 4 minutes in the second video shows the problem- they can't face it. they know their history is soiled by the ethnic cleansing of 1948 and they can't deal with it.

  • Another civilian massacre and the savagery of our soldiers
    • "Not one person in the Bush administration has been held accountable for that horrific invasion based on lies and the brutal consequences. Not one! "

      Obama could have acted differently. He decided not to.

    • US Contractors = Mercenaries

    • Super article by the Rev. Giles Fraser

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      "Following this latest massacre in Kandahar there will be much talk of a lone gunman going off the rails. But the truth is more disturbing. One cannot set in place the conditions for easy killing, removing the inbuilt human safety catch, and then simply blame an individual soldier who flips out. And there is no way to ensure that such things do not happen again. This is what happens when soldiers are subject to a systematic process of dehumanisation. The modern idea of a clean and humane war is a total myth. Which is precisely why we ought to think a great deal harder before we start them."

    • Some sad facts

      - The US is an immensely powerful and immensely violent society
      - Brown Muslim people don't count
      - Neither do the soldiers. The mental distress of the grunts who do the killing for the corporations will endure long after the US withdraws in humiliation from Afghanistan, following in the path of the Soviets a generation ago. Many of their marriages will collapse. Many will kill themselves.

  • Reflections After the Harvard One State Conference
    • "The state of Israel is established as a national state for the Jewish people. "


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      "THE STATE OF ISRAEL .....will uphold the full
      social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability
      of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions; and will dedicate itself to the principles of the Charter
      of the United Nations."

      Fail. Epic

  • @IDFSpokesperson tweets inaccurate video and fake civilian casualty statistics
    • It's the same crap as he uses now but the difference is 34 years and during that period Israeli bad faith has been the constant. They have implemented his philosophy to the letter. He killed Oslo. The Palestinians remain stateless. Will Israel get another 34 years of timewasting? Very unlikely.

    • "the Guardian, perhaps the most anti-Israeli mainstream newspaper in the English language"

      Oh dear. The Guardian bends over backwards for Israel.

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      Tonight, in the monthly meeting of Moyle District Council in Ireland, they officially confirmed a twinning with the Gaza City Municipality. This is the 1st official twinning with a municipality in Gaza and any council in Europe.

      Moyle District Council is in the North East of Ireland, and within its district are the stunning Glens of Antrim, Bushmills which is world famous for its whiskey, and the Giants Causeway, which is a UNESCO world heritage site.

    • Such a tragedy that this goon and his Likud buddies took control of Israel in 1977 and never relinquished it. 34 years of procrastination and Israeli democracy on its deathbed.

      The question at 09.30 is more relevant now than it was in 1978 :

      Can Israel remain as a garrison state and a democracy ?

      Those Arabs weren't too shabby even back then

    • /The image is of a child killed in 2009 (warning the photograph is graphic), a death inaccurately attributed to this weekend./


      How many Palestinian children has Israel murdered since January 2009 ?

    • I can't wait for this year's fresh hasbara. Last year's will be hard to beat.

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      "The untold story of Gaza's bloom (sic - apologies for the Israeli education system,) Shiny red sports cars, construction boom and crowded cafes. ..."

      The Gaza flotilla unleashed an infection of Hasbaratic BS

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      The reports, citing military intelligence sources, said that some activists had spoken in preparatory meetings of their desire to “shed the blood” of soldiers and had threatened to kill those who might board their ships.
      “Coming to kill,” said a headline in the Maariv newspaper over a photo of one vessel.

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      They initiated a violent attack against the Israeli soldiers undertaking legal blockade-enforcement actions, while shouting: “Go back to Auschwitz!”

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  • Taking Israel at its word, Florida legislature passes one-state resolution
    • I'd love to see the Egyptian parliament voting for the right of women in Kansas to have abortions and state sponsored healthcare. It's about as relevant as Florida's legislature voting about the West Bank.

  • Liberal American Jews are giving themselves permission to say goodbye
    • Do you come across the American Exceptionalism schtick much in your media diet, Kathleen?

    • Sorry I missed Said but the rest are worth checking out and naming too because they see the Zionist machine from the other side and they understand it more than white people do, IMO.

      One thing that I think will come out of the whole Israel breakdown process is a deeper understanding of the Arab "other" . For years the Ziobots have hidden behind accusations of antisemitism and stresses on the "oneness" of Israeli and American experience and when they eventually cut themselves off from the West via their insistence on apartheid , when their true face is revealed, Americans and Europeans will be surprised to discover the humanity of these Palestinians , these Middle Eastern Arabs.

    • Remnick

      "And yet, as an experiment in Jewish power, unique after two millennia of persecution and exile, Israel has reached an impasse. An intensifying conflict of values has put its democratic nature under tremendous stress."

      The Economist

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      "Having allowed its founding ideology to carry it relentlessly and unthinkingly into what Gershom Gorenburg calls an "Accidental Empire" of radical religious-nationalist settlements that openly defy its own courts, Israel is politically incapable of extricating itself. The partisan battles engendered by its occupation of Palestinian territory render it less and less able to pull itself free. It is immobilised, pinned down, in a conflict that is gradually killing it."

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      Zionism as a force is dead. The people who are actually speaking in the name of Zionism are speaking in religious and metaphysical and mystical truths. They are not speaking in the secular Zionist tradition. A poll two weeks ago—about 70 percent consider themselves to be the chosen people. American Jews think we as Jews are chosen to carry out tikkun olam [social justice]. Israeli Jews think something different—we are the chosen people of God, we are chosen to do anything we damn well please. To take people’s land. Take peoples lives. There is actually no mainstream force standing against the Jewish brotherhood.

      Hannah Arendt
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      The growth of a Jewish culture would cease to be the concern of the whole people; social experiments would have to be discarded as impractical luxuries; political thought would center around military strategy.... And all this would be the fate of a nation that -- no matter how many immigrants it could still absorb and how far it extended its boundaries (the whole of Palestine and Transjordan is the insane Revisionist demand)--would still remain a very small people greatly outnumbered by hostile neighbors.
      Under such circumstances... the Palestinian Jews would degenerate into one of those small warrior tribes about whose possibilities and importance history has amply informed us since the days of Sparta. Their relations with world Jewry would become problematical, since their defense interests might clash at any moment with those of other countries where large number of Jews lived. Palestine Jewry would eventually separate itself from the larger body of world Jewry and in its isolation develop into an entirely new people. Thus it becomes plain that at this moment and under present circumstances a Jewish state can only be erected at the price of the Jewish homeland...

      It is all going in the same direction. They all say the same thing

    • "Remnick believes more in American exceptionalism than Jewish exceptionalism"

      Both are crocks of ****.
      America can't even manage to provide basic rights like healthcare to its citizens. That's exceptional alright - but only in the very worst sense of the term.

    • There are no Palestinians or Arabs on your list, Kathleen. How about Edward Said, Azmi Bshara, Mustafa Barghouthi , the Abunimahs etc.

  • Iran furor masks the real story, Israel's self-destruction -- Tirman at Huffpo
    • "Palestinian statehood prospects are a shambles" implies this is the fault of the Palestinians. It would have been better to say "the Lobby has ensured that Palestinian statehood is stillborn."

  • Exclusive Excerpt: Miko Peled's 'The General's Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine'
    • I picked it up here a while ago and watched it on youtube. He's quite impressive. The facts are lethal.

    • Wow. Very impressive. I suppose it's easier to see the Israeli mess from the outside.
      The first time he went to the States to live he probably would have become aware of the bigotry of his own country compared to the religious tolerance of the US (except towards prominent Mormons, obviously).

  • Report from the Saturday morning settler 'real estate tour' in Hebron
    • The juxtaposition of Jews with guns , the Star of David spray painted onto a palestinian door and the fact the soldiers are there to protect the extremists of Hebron say so much .

    • Here the Zionist project that is Israel is represented by 4 towers.
      The towers stand for Israeli democracy, sustainability, the Israeli economy and Jewish unity

      This is where the YESHA project of the settlers is headed :

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  • 'I refuse to join an army that has, since it was established, been engaged in dominating another nation': Interview with Israeli refuser Noam Gur
  • MJ Rosenberg: why he is trying to stop the next war
    • It's still a pullback. The tone of the piece is very different to what he was writing last week. I presume someone had a word with him about Jewish unity. He seems to be writing to a very specific audience.
      I was thinking of Phil Weiss' mother and her circle for example.
      And it reminded me of this :

      "It was a technique which the Zionists were to employ throughout their struggle. The technique of promoting damaging personal attacks on those who stood in their way rather than trying to counter their arguments."
      "Such non conformists were subtly made aware that their jobs might be at risk, their books unpublishable, their preferment out of the question, their public reputations vulnerable if they did not renounce the heresy of anti Zionism "
      Publish it not, Mayhew and Adams, 1975

    • I thought the piece had echoes of Goldstone. Rosenberg has to pick his battles. But there was a tone of grovel.
      The Ziobots are brutal . Zero tolerance of dissent.

      Which is why the crash will be such a mess when it comes. Monocultures don't do shocks well.

    • "They were both Zionists who dreamed of living in Israel. How amazed and happy they would be to know that a vibrant Israel exists"

      Hard to know. They would have to understand that Judah Magnes lost. Begin won in the end. The result is the Jewish brotherhood. Those born into the wrong religion are persecuted. It is far from the Shangri la imagined in the 1940s.

  • Israeli right wing's vision for West Bank annexation (to 'pull the rug out from under apartheid accusation')
    • Lydda

      I just finished reading this

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      From 1944 . I think it is worth reading in full now that the US may be about to begin the process that ends with it parting company with Zionism.
      The last 70 years have been hell.

      It was all predicted in this .

      -What US mid East diplomats were saying to DC - it is unjust to impose Zionism on the Arab people of Palestine
      -What Arab diplomats were saying - it is unjust to punish the Palestinians for what the Germans are doing to European Jews
      -How the people of Palestine had to be consulted before anything happened
      -How US policy was in danger of being written by private groups
      -How the plan would lead to untold bloodshed

      The extent of Arab support for the Palestinians is clear. As is the fact that Israel was born in sin and subterfuge and backroom pressure.

      It was always a bad idea. It still is.

    • "Revolutions of the peoples whole narrative and perspective
      the don’t come up from thin air and the good wishes
      of some well meaning delusional liberal Americans."

      = "Palestinians are barbarians. Trust us, we are Jews and we are like you"
      And that narrative has been beaten to death with the butt of an Uzi.

    • It doesn't matter what American Jews think. The Palestinian right to self determination has kept the people going for the last 64 years. Palestinians get to decide what works for them. That is what human rights are all about. American Jewish influence has been putrifying to date.

      The "Area C enclave system" is a proposal for a jazzed up tribal homeland. It didn't work in South Africa. It won't work in Israel.

      The Palestinians have to get East Jerusalem back and it doesn't matter what the settlers want. Israel will eventually shaft them.

    • Gosh Robert

      So much nonsense. Where does one start ?

      "By addressing the key points of Apartheid, including voting and citizenship rights within a contiguous space, and unfettered transportation rights (public, not private) between the Palestinian enclaves, will it take the steam out of the anti-Israeli Apartheid movement?"

      Only if it respects all Palestinian property rights.
      Otherwise we move to a parallel universe where Sarah Palin will win the Nobel Prize for Science and Israel still exists in 2035.

      "The Palestinian formal diplomatic position, and Palestinian public opinion, *still* is not yet behind One State. If that transformation doesn’t happen very quickly, won’t that be tacit acceptance of this annexation plan?"

      Translated from the Hasbaratic: The woman has been assaulted. If she doesn't put up any resistance, doesn't she assent to the rape?

      "However, if they don’t change their position in favor of One State, and quickly, then Israel could seek a solution where the enclaves have a relationship with Jordan, and Palestinians who don’t want to live in the enclave system will just mingle in with Jordan"

      The right to live in one's home is sacrosanct. Even for non Jews in Erez Israel.

      The West Bank isn't Jordna's problem. Nobody asked Israel to occupy.

    • The settlers have Israel by the gonads but now they think they can sell this crap to the goys.
      Israel has been driving down a dead end for 45 years and the wall is approaching.

    • This "plan" was actually presented at the Herzliya conference in February by a schmuck called Adi Mintz.

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      I ran it through google translate

      Only in Hebrew because nobody wants this stuff to be seen in english. It's worse than paedophilia .

      Slide 24 : The only just and moral solution for the Jewish people is ethnic cleansing

      Otherwise it contains such gems as

      -Judea and Samaria are part of the national home for the Jewish people given by the League of Nations
      -There has never been Arab sovereignty in Judea and Samaria
      -Newt Gingrich: the Palestinians are invented

      Palestinians problem is that of the entire region. Arab countries, especially Jordan and Egypt must participate in the arrangement.

      Palestinians in Jordan Hashemite state as the state recognized the Palestinians people's national
      Northeast CHINA will be developed for refugees and residents of the Gaza Strip
      Set an international program to rehabilitate the refugees Palestinians - a voluntary settlement in northeastern Sinai, Jordan or United Arab

      "Gaza would be left to be absorbed by Egypt"

      They don't know what to do with Gaza.

      This particular proposal is like some wifebeater who has been beating his wife to a pulp for 40 years suddenly deciding he wants to formalise things. Wife to be confined in a locked room henceforth. Son to be abandoned in front of neighbors house with note.

      Egypt will give any Israeli who tries to implement this fantasy the 2 fingers.
      Gaza is run not by UNDHR principles or international law but by the Pottery Barn rules. Israel broke it. Israel fixes it.

  • Beinart: Time for a Jewish conversation about Jewish power and responsibility
    • "Time for a Jewish conversation about Jewish power and responsibility"

      Maybe time for a conversation about Jewish delusions and the return of Jewish compassion. Less of the sabra and more of the Mentsch.

  • Massacre in Afghanistan
    • Even it was a group rather than one mentally unstable individual, it doesn't really matter to ordinary Afghans who are already sick of American imperial ineptitude and the American death machine

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      Wright did elaborate on this in an interview he gave soon after his book appeared.* “For the past decade,” he said,
      we’ve been steeped in the lore of The Greatest Generation, the title of Tom Brokaw’s book about the men who fought World War II, and a lot of people have developed this romanticism about that war. They tend to remember it from the Life magazine images of the sailor coming home and kissing his fiancée. They’ve forgotten that war is about killing. I really think it’s important as a society to be reminded of this, because you now have a generation of baby boomers, a lot of whom didn’t serve in Viet Nam. Many of them protested it. But now they’re grown up, and as they’ve gotten older I think many of them have grown tired of the ambiguities and the lack of moral clarity of Viet Nam, and they’ve started to cling to this myth of World War II, the good war.
      I never read Tom Brokaw’s book, but if you go back and look at the actual greatest generation writers, people like Kurt Vonnegut—who wrote Slaughterhouse Five—and Joseph Heller, Norman Mailer, and their contemporaries, who actually fought in World War II and wrote about it, there’s no romance at all. In fact, a lot of their work is very anti-war.

      His book, Wright added, “goes into how soldiers kill civilians, they wound civilians.” In Iraq, the shooting of civilians
      was justified in the sense that there were some civilian buses that had Fedayeen fighters in them…. But when you see a little girl in pretty clothes that someone dressed her in, and she’s smushed on the road with her legs cut off, you don’t think, well you know there were Fedayeen nearby and this is collateral damage.
      Overall, Wright said, “the problem with American society is we don’t really understand what war is.” The view Americans get “is too sanitized.”

    • "What we do know is, for the most part, our military's atrocities are covered up and go unpunished. "

      We also know they lost the war.

  • MSM jailbreak: Chris Hayes devotes 2 hours to conflict with panel of 2 Zionists and 2 Palestinians
    • "And regarding his accusing Israel of apartheid policies, by his reference to separate roads for Jews and Arabs. I can tell you categorically that in apartheid South Africa there were never separate roads for Blacks and Whites (there are in Saudi Arabia by the way roads only for Muslims). So if there are separate roads in Yehuda and Shomron, then they are there for reasons that have nothing to do with apartheid."

      1/10 for effort.
      -5/10 for logic

      The security shtick is a little tired in 2012. Especially given Israel was never interested in a Palestinian state

      Who are Yehuda and Shomron ?

  • Israel is sucking up all the oxygen in the White House
    • Those suffering will be

      the Haredim
      The Mizrahim
      The working and lower middle classes
      The poor Ashkenazim
      The Hebrew speakers

      The English speakers will be long gone

    • The discipline is beginning to break down, pabelmont. Corporations don't do free thinking. Nobody ever disses the boss. So the angel investors are starting to see some new analysis. it's at a very early stage.

      Take away US support from the balance sheet and Israel is ripe for a Mitt Romney style corporate restructure.

    • What is the end goal of this system of financialisation Keith?
      I don't believe that anyone is in charge. There are too many f### ups for a big overarching system theory to make sense.
      Deindustrialising the US sounds too much like defecating in its own lunch on the part of Wall St.

    • Yes Mooser

      The Israeli balance sheet is far too big for Israel to manage. They brought in the US as angel investors . The directors could have reinvested in the business but they spent tens of billions building up a project called YESHA.
      The money should have been spent on staff development. Now 50% of the staff are semi rabid. The relationship with the angel investors is beginning to deteriorate. The fallout will be brutal.

      I also think when the split happens 1948 is going to be reopened. I imagine there are a lot of people in DC who know where the bodies are buried.

  • Israel's bogus case for bombing Gaza obscures political motives
    • The 8 Israeli Jews were killed by Sinai tribespeople. I read about it somewhere recently. Israel has retreated from its 40 year long insistence that the Egyptian army be barred from the Sinai. Israelis are no longer welcome in the Sinai.
      Bombing Gaza doesn't need any excuse. Wife beaters don't use them.

  • US attack on Iran would alienate Muslims worldwide -- NPR
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      Page 628

      The minister in Iraq (Henderson) to the Secretary of State
      Baghdad November 1 1944

      "They find it difficult to reconcile themselves to the belief that the the US merely for the sake of internal political experiency is favoring a course in Palestine which in their opinion not only would be unjust but would undoubtedly lead to bloodshed and misery for all concerned. They can perceive no reason for the recent pronouncements and promises of American government and political leaders who should have a complete understanding of the Palestine situation other than a desire to obtain the support of the american Zionists. They are asking whether it is possible that American foreign policy in the future is to be shaped in such a manner as to meet the demands of private pressure groups possessed of ample funds and exercising control over American channels of information. "

      Replace Palestine with Iran and nothing has changed. The game is just much bigger now and the crash will be far, far worse.

  • Stunning photos of woman demonstrator slammed to sidewalk by water cannon, at Qalandiya checkpoint
  • Israel strikes Gaza, killing 11, injuring 16
    • Imagine a post war situation with the IDF unconditionally surrendered where the entire Jewish population of Israel south of Tel Aviv was herded in to a strip of land measuring 6km by 22 km and kept there for 3 generations. Bombed every 2 years . No economic activity allowed. Calorific intake controlled. Nobody allowed out.

      That is what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians.

    • This is what Jewish self determination is .

  • Advice to Zionists from a fellow loser
    • "Phil seems so anxious to cast zionists, as “old, passé, in “the way of history.” As he freely admits, they resemble him–their day, he imagines, is over. "

      I think the former is true. Zionism is too inflexible to work any more. But Phil Weiss isn't . We are all on a learning journey and there's a lot of thinking required and he should look back over the last few years and see what he has helped to build. It's a great foundation. Maybe there's a reaction when he sees someone like Remnick who always followed the rules sticking the knife in to Israel. But the questions the dynamic throws up are much bigger than AIPAC and Bibi. They go right to the heart of Judaism. And Mondo is exploring.

      Even the gender reassigned have to compromise with the world at some stage.
      Life goes by in a flash. the search for love and the search for cash.

      As Yossi Gurvitz implied there is not going to be a happy ending for Israel.And the discussion on what replaces it is urgent. And careerists aren't going to have the answers.

      Be nice to yourself, Phil. There's another 30 years good work in you at a minimum.

    • "The world is embracing more individualistic idiosyncratic ideas of gender and sexuality, planted decades ago"

      How does Rick Santorum fit into the theory ? The world is becoming less tolerant . I think NYC is an outlier.

  • ‏A letter from under attack
    • It's a dead end for Zionism. Turkey shooting in Gaza. What is the point? It's not going to stop the Israeli meltdown.

  • Warning to Obama: 'The Jewish community will remember in November'
    • I third it. That and the Gurvitz piece and someone linked to Remnick in the New Yorker today
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      and it's only 2 months into the New Year and things are only going to get worse.

      The three pieces are all saying the same thing.
      Israel is a car crash.

    • Comments on youtube for the second video

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      Nut&Yahoo is a liar and murderer like most Zionist leaders. They are the ones who brought terrorism to the Middle East. See; Menachem Begin and his Ergun gang. It is disgraceful and treasonous to see American political leaders suck up to these racists.

      66605 23 hours ago 6


      1. 1967 borders? so? all world says that.


      32simas 1 day ago 5

      israel has to deal with their own problems and stop using the USA like their own personal bodyguard

      shroomingnewman 3 hours ago

      This video makes it look like there is real cause for HOPE until you realize it has very little to do with reality.

      lspooner 3 hours ago

      How dare Israel try to influence our internal politics. How dare our worthless political class give them so much as an ear. And how dare our public be so easily manipulated as to attack Obama for one of his only right initial decisions: not marching to war on the word of these treacherous worms.
      MabusZero 4 hours ago

      this is downright creepy and makes me want to vote for Obama. (which of course I'd never do because Ron Paul is much better on every issue)

      trancearmstrong 10 hours ago 3

      wow, traitors or what?!??

    • If this goes viral the comments on youtube will be interesting.

      This one was good

      "No one should ever unconditionally support any state. The very premise is a threat to national security. American 'Israel-firsters' are traitors who put the welfare of a foreign land before there host country. I'm tired of hearing the world 'Israel' during campaigns for the US presidency."

      proteanview 1 day ago

    • Yes Dan but if spend your life in the DC lobby space you don't really care about what is going on down in the boondocks. And history has ended and the Jewish state is eternal.

    • They are going to get their timing all wrong. Israel grew fat on US globalisation and now the jobs have all flown abroad the status quo of the last 30 years is no longer sustainable.

    • They need to be as outrageously obnoxious as possible and then go beyond the point of acceptability. Let their bluff be called.

  • Fact checker fact checker find me a fact
    • This deserves a thread of its own

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      "Ultimately, Oren concludes, the only place in the Middle East where Christians aren't endangered, but are actually flourishing, is in Israel.
      "Since Israel's founding in 1948, its Christian communities (including Russian and Greek Orthodox, Catholics, Armenians and Protestants) have expanded more than 1,000%," he added."

      He should have started counting in 1946 . That would have captured all of the palestinian Christians ethnically cleansed by the Zionists.

  • The radicalization of Yossi Gurvitz
    • Very interesting interview. Maybe next time you go ,Phil, you could talk to Shir Hever who wrote "the Political economy of Israel's occupation" . The meltdown will be a mixture of politics, Judaism and economics and he has good insight into all 3 .
      Gurvitz's white hope is J14 and some kind of socialism but the oligarchs won't allow that. So an economic crash is far more likely. If American Jews cut off the money supply it could get Israel to the table before the situation is lost for Israel.

    • I think it's going to go back to Masada.

    • The hasbaradim are clueless

      • Sir, – On reading Raymond Deane’s letter (March 7th), I came to the conclusion that the writer obviously hopes and believes that if you continuously throw muck at a subject, at least some of it will stick.
      Facts are conspicuously absent.
      Israel is not an apartheid state. Muslim Arabs make up a fifth of Israel’s population and in a recent confidential poll, 80 per cent stated that they did not want to live in an Arab state. Israeli Arabs are to be found in all aspects of Israeli society – supreme court judges, ambassadors and, not least, 14 are members of the Knesset. Hospital and medical care is not separate, as it was in apartheid South Africa.
      Palestinians are among the 7,000 slaughtered in Syria over the past year, but there is not a mention of this in Mr Deane’s letter.
      As one who visits Israel on a regular basis, I can state categorically that all its citizens are treated equally.
      At long last persecuted Jews have a safe haven in Israel. I lived through the 1930s and vividly remember German Jews begging unsuccessfully for life-saving visas.
      Almost half of Israel’s present Jewish population originated from Arab countries. It would be unthinkable that anyone should suggest that these Jews be transported back to Iraq, Iran, Libya, Egypt, etc.
      As the Chinese say, “be careful what you wish for”. – Yours, etc,
      Dublin 14.

    • One of the fruitcakes who will bring down Israel.

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    • " When the pricetag people run out of Muslim targets, they will concentrate more on Christian targets. When that happens, the American Christian right will realize that the Israeli right is hostile to Christianity"

      That's what I thought when I saw the news. The Jewish ultras hate Christians and Muslims equally.

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      "Ariel Ben Yochanan said...
      B"H - Yisrael, please, don't buy into the establishment thought that differentiates between the various xtian denominations just because they say "we love you". It has absolutely no basis, they ALL attribute godly status to subjects other than Hashem and they are now actively worshipping on the Land, an activity that exposes us to great dangers. We are put here to serve Hashem and if we fail to do this basic minimum, well, we'll be in trouble G-d forbid. Are we instructed to restore and preserve their pillars and stones of worship or to destroy them? No need to answer, the question is rhetoric. The fact is that Shilo should not attract xtians, not as visitors, not as workers and not as missionaries. Shilo should repel them. It is true that we are pressed by Ishmael, but running to the arms of Esav is no solution. The war is a three front one: Ishmael, Esav AND the erev rav. We have to be alert on ALL three fronts. See The Three Front War on"

      The Israeli economy is propped up by Christians and Muslims

  • At the heart of the Palestinian struggle, a spirit she won’t surrender
    • Wandering Around an Albuquerque Airport Terminal

      by Naomi Shihab Nye

      After learning my flight was detained 4 hours,
      I heard the announcement:
      If anyone in the vicinity of gate 4-A understands any Arabic,
      Please come to the gate immediately.
      Well -- one pauses these days. Gate 4-A was my own gate. I went there.
      An older woman in full traditional Palestinian dress,
      Just like my grandma wore, was crumpled to the floor, wailing loudly.
      Help, said the flight service person. Talk to her.
      What is her
      Problem? we told her the flight was going to be four hours late and she
      Did this.
      I put my arm around her and spoke to her haltingly.
      Shu dow-a, shu- biduck habibti, stani stani schway, min fadlick,
      Sho bit se-wee?
      The minute she heard any words she knew -- however poorly used -
      She stopped crying.
      She thought our flight had been cancelled entirely.
      She needed to be in El Paso for some major medical treatment the
      Following day. I said no, no, we're fine, you'll get there, just late,
      Who is picking you up? Let's call him and tell him.
      We called her son and I spoke with him in English.
      I told him I would stay with his mother till we got on the plane and
      Would ride next to her -- southwest.
      She talked to him. Then we called her other sons just for the fun of it.
      Then we called my dad and he and she spoke for a while in Arabic and
      Found out of course they had ten shared friends.
      Then I thought just for the heck of it why not call some Palestinian
      Poets I know and let them chat with her. This all took up about 2 hours.
      She was laughing a lot by then. Telling about her life. Answering
      She had pulled a sack of homemade mamool cookies -- little powdered
      Sugar crumbly mounds stuffed with dates and nuts -- out of her bag --
      And was offering them to all the women at the gate.
      To my amazement, not a single woman declined one. It was like a
      Sacrament. The traveler from Argentina, the traveler from California,
      The lovely woman from Laredo -- we were all covered with the same
      Powdered sugar. And smiling. There is no better cookies.
      And then the airline broke out the free beverages from huge coolers --
      Non-alcoholic -- and the two little girls for our flight, one African
      American, one Mexican American -- ran around serving us all apple juice
      And lemonade and they were covered with powdered sugar too.
      And I noticed my new best friend -- by now we were holding hands --
      Had a potted plant poking out of her bag, some medicinal thing,
      With green furry leaves. Such an old country traveling tradition. Always
      Carry a plant. Always stay rooted to somewhere.
      And I looked around that gate of late and weary ones and thought,
      This is the world I want to live in. The shared world.
      Not a single person in this gate -- once the crying of confusion stopped
      -- has seemed apprehensive about any other person.
      They took the cookies. I wanted to hug all those other women too.
      This can still happen anywhere.
      Not everything is lost.

    • See the Woman
      She has a young face
      An old face
      She carries herself well
      In all ages
      She survives all man has done

      In some tribes she is free
      In some religions
      She is under man
      In some societies
      She’s worth what she consumes

      In some nations
      She is delicate strength
      In some states
      She is told she is weak
      In some classes
      She is property owned

      In all instances
      She is sister to earth
      In all conditions
      She is life bringer
      In all life she is our necessity

      See the woman eyes
      Flowers swaying
      On scattered hills
      Sundancing calling in the bees

      See the woman heart
      Lavender butterflies
      Fronting blue sky
      Misty rain falling
      On soft wild roses

      See the woman beauty
      Lightning streaking
      Dark summer nights
      Forests of pines mating
      With new winter snow

      See the woman spirit
      Daily serving courage
      With laughter
      Her breath a dream
      And a prayer

      John Trudell

  • Al Jazeera asks, 'What role does the pro-Israel lobby play?'
    • AIPAC feeds Israel into the grinder of history

    • "If an Israeli prime minister decides that he has to avoid the threat of a second holocaust through pre-emptive measures that I would require no advance notice to understand why I would support the right of Israel to survive in a dangerous world."

      That sentence doesn't make sense. And it throws 67 years of post world war 2 international law out the window. Pre emptive war in the name of avoiding a ludicrous made up second holocaust which is really code for eternal regional hegemony is totally illegal and utterly unacceptable. Israel is not the centre of the universe and never has been.

  • Freedom Funnies: ‘You Can’t Just Continue’ Part II
    • It's also a nonviolent way of saying " **** Israel" !

      I studied with one of Jacir sisters at Bir Zeit. They are related to the Jacirs from Bethlehem and are wonderful ambassadors for ahla Filisteen.

  • Israel Firster
    • "It (Aipac) does not work directly for the state of Israel or its government.”

      It works for a select group of Israeli and American sociopaths while 30% of Jewish Israeli kids go to bed hungry every night.

  • NY activists protest Batsheva Dance Company performance in Brooklyn
    • Oleg

      If you don't like capitalism why didn't you move to Belarus ?

    • Batsheva looks very similar to Batsh*t
      B-a-t-s-h - what else does your brain work out when those letters come together ?

      So how about replacing one with the other?
      For example. "I heard Netanyahu speaking at the AIPAC conference. The guy is totally batsheva".

  • 'NYT' helps Netanyahu bury Palestinian issue
    • The notion that Israel can somehow "bury the palestinian issue" is such a load of crap. Tomorrow morning regardless of what Bibi has done in the US, 3.5 million Palestinians will wake up and face the day with no rights, no citizenship, no freedom of movement, no social security.

      Israel's number one challenge will never be swept under the carpet or buried or carpetbombed successfully. Reality is bigger than Zionism .

  • Israel's lobby (updated)
  • 'Forward' joins 'New Yorker' in embracing MJ Rosenberg
    • Very good analysis. It is not going to end well for Israel.

      "Netanyahu knows that young American Jews are split, with the growing Orthodox community solidly in his corner, and the less observant and secular majority—a majority that is increasingly assimilated and uninterested in Jewish learning—losing their attachment to Israel. The Prime Minister clearly feels that the fervor of the few offers him more than the disillusion and drift of the many"

    • Occupying Gaza is insane. It always was. Why would any country in its right mind take responsibility under no outside pressure for a massive refugee camp with zero resources ?

      And even the topography argument is nuts. Why take on all that population over a period of time where population growth is greater than 2 % per year?

    • I think the citadel that is the New York Review has to fall before we can start talking about a Jewish spring. Just a few weeks ago they ran a piece about Hebron by arch Zionist Jonathan Freedland. That is just not kosher.

      link to

    • This was a comment by the editor of the satirical magazine private Eye to an inquiry into the media in the UK

      "A reasonable editor could not have thought 'I must hack into a murdered girl's phone' … those things seem to me self-evidently unreasonable."

      Highly relevant to to Israel. It is self evidently unreasonable to run an apartheid system. How did the country dupe itself for so long? Why didn't anyone in the US stop them?

    • Well said Krauss. It's not about Bibi. Even though he is worse than the opposition. Kadima ran Cast lead so it's not like they are My Little Pony either. It's about the whole Israeli system. Including the judiciary. The army. Everything.
      They bet their country on YESHA. And the check is about to be served

    • "Nearly half the population has no rights, on a racial basis. They have had no rights for 45 years, and they're impatient, and nonviolent, god bless them."

      Maybe someone can explain why Israel decided to occupy the remnants of Palestine back in 1967 and why they continued to do so for 2 generations. What was the point?

  • 'New Republic' says Obama 'detests' Netanyahu and treats him shabbily
    • "Israelis still recall with disbelief how Obama refused to honor Bush’s written commitment to Ariel Sharon—that the U.S. would support settlement blocs being incorporated into Israel proper. "

      Israelis will one day be thankful for this.

      G-d punished both Sharon and Bush for the abomination. Sharon is now a vegetable and Bush got Lehman Bros. Prayer works, dudes.

  • Jon Stewart's Triple Threat
    • The lobby is going to be skewered by the wider socio economic reality of the US. There's going to be a retrenchment . Freeloaders screwing American taxpayers will see their cashflows shrink. This could be a huge play for the democrats in 2012.

      Did anyone see a full page ad in the New Yorker Oct 2012 p.35 with MSNBC media celebrity Ed Schultz proposing the american jobs, manufacturing american products, in america, argument ?

  • Video: Newt snoozes waiting on AIPAC, but hardly misses a beat
    • If I was in al Qaeda I would mash up that AIPAC bit with verses from the Koran and make it go viral. Judaism doesn't need Orthodox fruitcakes threatening jihad on Shia Islam.

      Brand management is about limiting the uglier side of the brand and having some clown in a kippa at AIPAC is brand destructive.

    • Sure. Most of the Jews I know wear kippas. But that's a private thing. It signifies a personal decision to live life in a certain way. It shouldn't get caught up in war mongering. I think that does great damage to how people are likely to interpret the meaning of the kippa.

    • The kippa on the guy behind the AIPAC lectern is scary.
      It says that the religion has become so enmeshed in insane imperial militarism and there was nobody in charge to stop it.
      Nobody should wear kippas to AIPAC.

  • Friedman warns war could hurt American Jews
    • Israel doesn't get the meaning of the financial crisis and what its impact on regular Americans is. As long as credit was plentiful and jobs were stable and house prices were rising, middle class and poor Americans could indulge themselves with a little war in the middle East.

      But things are very different in 2012.

      link to

      "Today the 20th century model of the American dream faces the same kind of crisis the 19th century version experienced 100 years ago. International competition and technological advances mean that the American factory worker’s earnings and opportunities are depressed in the way farmers were going to the wall 100 years ago"

      Israel never did anything for US take home wages. It's the economy, stupid

    • TBH I don't think the sociopaths who run Israel care too much about regular American Jews. The top echelons of the IDF don't. Bibi doesn't.

    • link to

      Robert byrd on the insanity of war in Iraq

      War with Iran for Israel is no less insane.

  • 'Putz' -- AIPAC delegates expressed rage at demonstrators
    • Krauss

      "Using shadow government in a Jewish context should be verboten"

      That sounds like real diaspora wimpishness to people like Danny Danon. You get out there and you occupy more land and that's the only language the goys understand. and it's been running like that since 1948. You separate more Arabs from their heads as Dagan says. And that is what the wider world sees. And we never signed up for it. Never.

      From what I can see the settlers and 45 years of pandering to them have left the Jewish community severely weakened and all the years of crying wolf about imaginary antisemitism are going to come back under double accounting bookkeeping.

      There has to be a split within the community. For too long the thugs have called the shots.

      Disentangling the West from the Zionist project will not be for the emotionally squeamish.

    • "Mensch" is the worst , most cruel, most degrading insult in the zionist vocabulary.

  • At last a leader, Obama fingers 'Israeli interest' in war
    • I think they'll attack Iran after the election. Same timing as Cast Lead in 2008

      +1 on the no judicial process killings observation . Obama is a sociopath.
      A very cool one.

  • A Palestinian student asks, 'Can I go on Birthright?'
    • The deep catholic connection with Rome is a fact. But that doesn't entitle Chicago catholics to ownership of Rome.

    • Izik

      The Shoah is a fact. It doesn't erase Jewish history.
      Jews didn't live en masse in Israel. They lived elsewhere.
      Indoctrinating Israeli kids about Masada is pathetic.
      As are the efforts of the Israeli archaeological authorities. Inventing history.

      And look at all the trouble it has brought.

    • Ghada Karmi is a real star

    • "I became a Zionist when I realized that the self determination of my people was crucial. "

      Self deterministic Zionism is a contradiction. If Zionism was self determining it wouldn't need to buy Congress. It wouldn't need AIPAC. It wouldn't be lobbying for a war with Iran.

    • "Zionism is about having a state of the Jewish people. That’s it"

      States need common understandings of the past. They need narratives. Israel's historical narrative is bullshit.

      Israel history AD 70- 1850

      Nothing happened

      "Surely you’d agree that Jews are entitled to their own state?"

      They got their state in 1948. It wasn't good enough for them
      Enjoy it while it lasts.

    • "The Jewish heritage of Lvov and Vilnius went up the concentration camp smokestacks."

      Right now in Israel Haredi rabbis are judging family cases based on decisions made in the pale of Settlement in the 1700s.

      Right now in Israel and elsewhere the descendants of Polish and Ukrainian Jews are having sex. That's heritage too. Ashkenazia lives.

      Zionist history is bullshit.
      Hasbara is bullshit

    • you have your narrative we have ours

      There is only one truth
      The Zionist narrative is very fragile in many places.

    • Ya'teek at afya Jamil.

      The whole thing is so ludicrous.

      Ashkenazi Jews should really go on discovery trips to places like Lvov and Vilnius to connect with their heritage.
      If I were Jewish I would go to places associated with the Baal Shem Tov. That is real Jewish history. Zionist history is a fairytale.

  • 'Commentary' says amount of US political money coming from Jews is 'staggering'
    • The US civil war was fought over private power . Lincoln said it couldn't usurp the Government's power. C orporate power today is far more dangerous than the confederacy was.

  • 'New Yorker' defends Rosenberg (and use of term 'Israel firster')
    • "Because, to paraphrase Sarah Schulman who saw I/P up close and had a personal transformation of her activist soul, “Once you see it, it is clear.”"

      link to

      "On a presidential visit to Israel in 2008, Bush travels to Bethlehem by car rather than helicopter against the wishes of the Israelis because Rice wants him to see “the ugliness of the occupation, including the checkpoints and the security wall…for himself and [because] it would have been an insult to the Palestinians if he didn’t.” The barriers were taken down, the convoy traveled at speed, but Bush got the point, according to Rice: “‘This is awful,’ he said quietly.”

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