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  • Univ of Toronto faculty await answers in JDL's disruption of divestment event
    • W.Jones -- that is a topic of discussion that may not be appropriate or welcome here. (Yes? No?)

      If you wish, try asking the same question on MPFB:

      link to facebook.com

    • What are the odds that these activities have been secretly greenlighted and encouraged by the Harper government in Canada? (Harper is a staunch Christian Zionist.)

      If open debate can't slow down the BDS movement, perhaps dirty tricks, black ops, intimidation and violence will work -- and the targets will extend well beyond "radical Islamic groups."

  • Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack
    • Taxi,

      "Israel is the only country on the planet that doesn’t seem bothered at all by the rise of ISIS."

      Israel is surely rejoicing over the rise of ISIS, which is providing a propaganda bonanza for neoconservatives who have been promoting the Clash of Civilizations and Global War on Terror.

      Many of ISIS's cartoonish exercises in political communications sound like they were inspired by Pamela Geller or Daniel Pipes.

      ISIS is very good for Israel in the same way that 9/11 was very good for Israel -- as acknowledged by none other than Benjamin Netanyahu. ISIS may succeed in pushing "the West" and "the Muslim world" into an apocalyptic confrontation (holy war) that will enable Greater Israelists to achieve all their maximalist political objectives.

    • Boomer,

      "re: “I have never seen a leader so eager for war”"

      BOOMER: "What, never? Well, never since the long-ago days of President George W Bush anyway."

      Not even George W. Bush was willing to go to war against Iran -- he resisted pressure from Israel and the Israel lobby to do so. Benjamin Netanyahu is in a class by himself on the warmongering front.

      If the Israeli government were not trying to whip up war fever in the United States, the GOP would not be agitating for an American war against Iran. This is all about Israel. None of our European allies are interested in getting involved in a war with Iran. GOP leaders like Lindsey Graham and John Boehner are regurgitating talking points that have been prepared for them by the Israel lobby -- they have been well-paid for their efforts.

      George W. Bush's talking points for the Iraq War were all written by PNAC/Commentary Magazine neoconservatives operating on behalf of the Israeli government and Likud/Greater Israel Zionism -- Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Elliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz and company.

    • CloakAndDagger,

      "This has all the hallmarks of a false-flag. One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed."-

      Think about it: both Jewish Zionists and non-Jewish antisemites have a strong motive to engineer false flag terrorist acts to drive Diaspora Jews to Israel.

      And fresh off Twitter:

      1. Trita Parsi: After Danish synagogue attack, Netanyahu calls on EU Jews to move to Israel. Not realizing his message is same as that of EUs anti-Semites? link to twitter.com

      2. Ben White: "I say to the Jews of Europe – Israel is your home." Who said it? Antisemitic hate group, or Israeli PM Netanyahu? link to haaretz.com link to twitter.com

      A few thoughts of mine this morning on false flag ops:

      link to friendfeed.com

  • 700 UK artists pledging not to go to Israel include Soueif, Ali, Waters, Eno, Leigh, Churchill
    • mikeo,

      "I am permanently moderated at the Guardian for once alluding to organised hasbara trolls flooding the comment sections, and linking to sites where you could download apps like GIYUS and Megaphone which might cause this to happen."

      The attacks on free speech by pro-Israel activists are relentless -- and they keep escalating. Increasingly the vibe is reminiscent of post-World War II Eastern Europe during its worst authoritarian excesses. Follow the single party line or else. And these oppressive activities are being conducted in the name of defending "our freedoms."

    • W.Jones,

      “In order for Stephen to remain in parish ministry, I have therefore asked for – and received from him – a solemn undertaking, in writing, that he is to refrain entirely from writing or speaking on any theme that relates, either directly or indirectly, to the current situation in the Middle East or to its historical backdrop.”

      The terms Orwellian, Stalinist, etc. come immediately to mind. Total thought control on the subject of Israel -- with severe punishments for voicing independent thinking of any kind.

      There have been hundreds of assaults on free speech by pro-Israel activists over recent years -- and yet they continue to hold up Israel and Zionism as a beacon of Western democratic values.

    • Bornajoo,

      "Did you see the clip I posted from Question Time the other day?"

      Was that the same link that Keith provided? -- link to zcomm.org

      I read the Jonathan Cook article and watched the clip -- appalling. How did Freedland manage to acquire so much influence at the Guardian?

    • Regarding Jonathan Freedland: from the Amazon.com summary of Sam Bourne's "The Final Reckoning":

      "When a man’s death at the United Nations turns out to be more than just an accidental shooting, unsuspecting Tom Byrne is plunged headlong into a deadly world of hidden fellowships, unforgivable crimes, and a 60-year quest for justice. From Sam Bourne—the #1 international bestselling author of The Righteous Men and The Last Testament—comes this fast-paced, gripping, and provocative thriller exposing the last great mystery of the Second World War. Perfect for fans of Raymond Khoury, Jo Nesbø, and James Rollins, Bourne’s The Final Solution is a tense and twisting tale of Nazi soldiers and Jewish Avengers, based on the true story of WWII survivors taking vengeance for the Holocaust into their own hands."

      link to amazon.com

    • Bornajoo,

      I presume you are talking about this Freedland -- Jonathan Freedland?

      BEGIN QUOTE
      Freedland has published six books: two non-fiction works and four thrillers under the pseudonym Sam Bourne. The Righteous Men, published in 2006, is a religious thriller published under the Bourne 'nom de plume'. The book made a brief appearance in the gossip columns when a damning review by Michael Dibdin, originally written for The Guardian, appeared instead in The Times. The Guardian's ombudsman discovered that when Dibdin originally submitted his review to The Guardian he offered to withdraw it if it were deemed too awkward – an offer the Editor Alan Rusbridger accepted.

      In June 2006, The Righteous Men was picked as a Richard and Judy Summer Read and soon rose to the top of the The Sunday Times best-sellers' list. It stayed on the list for several months and has now sold more than half a million copies in the UK; it has been translated into 30 languages.

      The book was followed a year later by another Sam Bourne title, The Last Testament, this time set against the backdrop of the Middle East peace process, and in 2008 by The Final Reckoning, based on the true story of the Avengers: a group of Holocaust survivors who sought revenge against their Nazi persecutors. The Final Reckoning just missed the peak of The Sunday Times best-seller list. The Chosen One, the fourth thriller by Sam Bourne, was published in the UK in 2010. In April 2010, The Bookseller reported that HarperCollins had signed up Freedland for three more Bourne books, describing the author as "the UK's bestselling thriller writer with sales of well over one million…in less than five years."
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      END QUOTE

      Has anyone parsed Freedland's fiction to get a handle on his views on Israel and Mideast politics?

  • No one's talking about peace in Israeli election, U.S. liberal Zionists are warned
    • Mooser,

      "MRW, whenever somebody says they “speak for all Jews” a little voice always whispers to me: “Trefa banquet”."

      But one sees many high-profile Jews making this claim all the time -- to be speaking for "the Jews" or "the Jewish people" -- starting at the top of the Jewish establishment with Benjamin Netanyahu and including many Commentary Magazine neoconservatives.

      Why do they do it?

      I can't remember ever hearing an American claim to speak for "the Irish people" or "the English people" -- the attitude and language would be too bizarre and bombastic to contemplate.

      I am as curious as ever about what factors -- psychological, cultural or otherwise -- drive this behavior.

      During the 1930s, Nazis claimed to speak for "the German people" and Italian Fascists claimed to speak for "the Italian people" -- those are the historical precedents that come to mind. During that era, many Germans and Italians were in the grip of mystical, messianic and militant ethnic collectivism.

      Many Americans -- especially Christian evangelicals -- have been persuaded by an endless stream of propaganda that Benjamin Netanyahu is in fact speaking for "the Jewish people." It is going to be extremely difficult to undo this belief.

    • Philemon,

      "Sean, there’s a book called “Political Ponerology” that might interest you."

      Good pointer --

      Political Ponerology (A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes) by Andrew M. Lobaczewski link to amazon.com

      77 5-star reviews, including this endorsement from Ilan Pappe:

      "This is an extraordinary book." --Ilan Pappe, author of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

      Summary:

      "In the early parts of the book, the author gives an overview on the root cause of macro-social evil: the small percentage of psycho-pathological deviants who nevertheless have a disproportionally large influence on the minds of normal humans. Due to the lack of psychological knowledge among normal humans, these deviants easily infiltrate social groups, movements, etc.. When the society is in a sufficiently hysterical state, the psychological deviants that are always present can transform the entire society into its worst form: a pathocracy. The most notable examples of that are the Roman empire and Nazi Germany."

    • Ethno-religious nationalist movements are by definition extremely right-wing -- I can't think of any historical exceptions. What is happening is that the liberal/left-wing veneer in Israeli politics is being stripped away -- exposed, basically, as a public relations stunt.

    • Mooser,

      To clarify: when you refer here to "the Zionists" -- and to Ziocaine Syndrome in 119 other comments on MW -- are you suggesting that all Zionists are suffering from Ziocaine Syndrome?

      What is Ziocaine Syndrome in your mind? -- what are its essential features? Are they primarily cultural, psychological or something else? The term "syndrome" is usually employed to describe psychological disorders or conditions.

      What are the root causes of Ziocaine Syndrome?

      I just wrote elsewhere:

      BEGIN COMMENT
      I've argued many times in the past that *all* messianic ethno-religious nationalist movments from all cultural traditions are based on the same psychological archetypes and drivers -- it's a universal phenomenon, not limited to any particular ethnic group.

      My assumption is that Mooser is referring to those universal psychological archetypes and drivers when he discusses Ziocaine Syndrome (and all the Zionists who present signs of this syndrome) -- and notice that non-Jewish Christian Zionists are subject to this condition in much greater numbers than Jews.
      END COMMENT

      But that is just my opinion -- your take on this may be different.

      Regarding the 119 comments: link to mondoweiss.net

  • Stanford petition misrepresents resolution to divest from occupation
    • eljay,

      "Yup. He [Mikhael] reads from the same Zio-supremacist playbook as the other guys."

      An important point to keep in mind: while it is easy for Mondoweiss commenters to pile on hophmi, JeffB, jon s and other pro-Israel activists from the safety of Mondoweiss, out in the real world the Israel lobby continues to enjoy dominating and overwhelming power over American politics -- especially in the US Congress.

      The self-confidence and swagger of the pro-Israel activists in the Mondoweiss comments section is not entirely misplaced -- they can afford to take a verbal beating from MW regulars with equanimity.

      Also: when progressive anti-Zionists fall into a pattern of repetitive verbal abuse of pro-Israel activists -- George Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate" link to en.wikipedia.org -- it undermines their cause. They become tiresome.

      How this conflict will play out is still unclear to me. Perhaps progressive anti-Zionists will flip American public opinion in their favor (and American Mideast policy with it) -- or perhaps the Israel lobby will succeed in demonizing progressive anti-Zionists as dangerous allies and supporters of anti-Western terrorism. Stay tuned for further developments. The battle is fully engaged.

      A major factor in play: Israeli leaders like Benjamin Netanyahu have a genius for making unforced errors that leave openings for the opposition to exploit. They keep overplaying their hand and undermining their position.

      Bottom line: American foreign policy is largely created by Wall Street and the military-industrial complex. If they want it to happen, it will happen -- if they don't want it to happen, it won't. Not always, but usually. No amount of impassioned rants on the Internet will change that reality.

      The establishment has already learned how to bottle up and marginalize sectors of the Internet that they find to be annoying. Look at the great debates about 9/11, for instance -- all kept carefully out of sight and out of mind for most of the American public.

    • eljay,

      Are you referring to this Mikhael?

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • Mooser,

      "Say, here’s an idea! Why don’t you, “Yonah”, “Jon s”, “JeffyB”, “Hophmi” and “Mayhem” team up, and coordinate your dialectic? That team would be unstoppable!"

      Pro-Israel, pro-Zionist commenters on Mondoweiss:

      1. DaBakr
      2. hophmi
      3. JeffB
      4. jon s
      5. Mayhem
      6. miriam6
      7. yonah fredman

      Any others?

  • A cosmopolitan's regrets: Roger Cohen on the Jewish condition
    • On the verbal violence front:

      "Comedian [Roseanne Barr] calls for UC Davis campus to be "nuked"" link to news10.net

      BEGIN QUOTE
      A stunning tweet by comedian Rosanne Barr, has called for the UC Davis Campus to be nuked. The sometimes controversial comedienne's remark came as tensions have been rising on the campus in the wake of a vote by the student senate asking that the University of California divest itself of businesses that have ties to Israel, and after two campus Jewish organizations suffered recent hate crime.

      In her tweet on Tuesday night, Barr stated, "I hope all the Jews leave UC Davis and then it gets nuked."
      END QUOTE

    • Keith,

      "I don’t think that Sean was aware of how that one aspect of his comment could be interpreted and/or misrepresented by those who gain from doing so."

      I *quoted* a comment from Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo to make a point about the current state of inflammatory rhetoric concerning Israeli issues on the Internet -- even the mainstream Internet -- I didn't endorse or approve of the comment.

      I often post quotes from comment sections around the net in the Mondoweiss on Friendfeed group -- for instance, see many examples here:

      link to friendfeed.com

      I find the drift of "debate" about Israel -- the ever-escalating verbal abuse and violence from all sides -- to be fascinating and disturbing -- it bears watching.

      I thought that my intention in that post was obvious.

    • Keith,

      I presume the author of the comment was referring to people like Debbie Schlussel -- of which there are many in contemporary American politics -- most of them agitating for endless American wars against a long list of "enemies" of Greater Israel, of the Old Testament "God" and of "the entire Jewish people" -- certainly not all Jews. Many of them are Christian Zionists.

    • Keith,

      I posted the item not to express agreement with it, but because it was listed as the top comment at Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo -- a point of interest. TPM is a quite mainstream publication, not prone to extremism.

      I wouldn't use that language -- but I can understand why Debbie Schlussel's words would provoke that kind of response in normally sane and decent people -- push them over the edge.

      There is something about the essential nature of Zionism that is pushing both Zionists and anti-Zionists towards ever greater fanaticism -- that trend is unmistakable when one analyzes comments on Zionist issues Internetwide. Once you drag God into politics, you can usually expect a catastrophic outcome -- that has been the historical pattern for a few thousand years.

    • Annie,

      Let me rewrite that post to better convey my intent:

      In the determination of Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before the US Congress, despite strong opposition from many influential Americans (including the president and vice-president of the United States), one sees fascinating psychological factors in play.

      No other head of a foreign state has ever behaved this way, nor would any other ethnic or religious lobby in American life -- other than the RJC/ZOA wing of the Israel lobby -- ever support such strange and abnormal behavior. One naturally looks for explanations.

      Btw, Phil penned an article here on December 17, 2014: "Israel will lose all American Jews but the crazies" link to mondoweiss.net

      BEGIN QUOTE
      The Finance Minister Naftali Bennett comes to Washington and dismisses world opinion as “a little thing called the rest of the world” and insults Martin Indyk, the courtliest man in the world, to the point that he talks about kicking Bennett’s ass, and Haim Saban, the leading Democratic fundraiser, is obviously angered by him. Caroline Glick shows up in the pages of the New Yorker as slightly unhinged, an impression she seeks to extend in a diatribe accusing European diplomats to their faces of anti-semitism for talking about the occupation.
      END QUOTE

      The term "narcissism" (in the clinical sense) has come up repeatedly on Mondoweiss in ways that have made sense to many people here:

      [Google; site:mondoweiss.net narcissism link to google.com ]

      John Lewis-Dickerson has made many fascinating posts on the psychology of Zionism and pro-Israel activism.

      What one notices in the attitudes of quite a few pro-Israel activists is an utter absence of consciousness of the reality and autonomy of others -- of sensitivity to and respect for their personal space. It's always about ME, ME, ME -- no other interests matter.

      And on the pathological front, see this today:

      "Conservatives Dance On Grave Of ISIL Hostage: 'Jew-Hating, Anti-Israel B**ch'" link to talkingpointsmemo.com

      BEGIN QUOTE
      Not all conservatives used the death of American hostage Kayla Mueller to highlight the brutality of the Islamic State — some decided to focus their disgust on the 26-year-old's humanitarian work for Palestinians.

      "No tears for the newly-departed Kayla Mueller, the ISIS hostage whose parents confirmed today that she is dead," conservative blogger Debbie Schlussel wrote on Tuesday, under the headline, "Kayla Mueller: Dead ISIS Hostage Was Jew-Hating, Anti-Israel Bitch."
      END QUOTE

      Top comment: "Words fail me here. There is no amount of snark or belittlement that would do justice in this situation. Sometimes I think I these people are an entirely different species from the rest of humanity. . ."

    • Israel is a highly abnormal nation and the behavior of Zionists and pro-Israel activists is highly abnormal. Part of the abnormality in play here is the [...] inability of Zionists to perceive and understand their own abnormality vis-a-vis the behavior of other mainstream ethnic groups in American life. Truly, the situation is quite crazy and is heading towards a blowup -- that is what the currently escalating Netanyahu controversy is all about.

      Ethnocentrism and ethnic nationalism run amok is not a pretty thing. Militant ethnic nationalists view every rebuke from cult outsiders as an excuse to double down on their self-righteous fanaticism. They keep accelerating forward until they hit the wall.

  • I misremember Iraq
    • bilal a,

      # terms which tend to cluster together tightly on the Internet:

      1. 9/11
      2. al-Qaeda
      3. beheadings
      4. fake videos
      5. false flag
      6. ISIS
      7. Israel
      8. Mossad
      9. Osama bin Laden
      10. psychological warfare
      11. Rita Katz
      12. SITE Intelligence Group

  • Do we really want Benjamin Netanyahu guiding U.S. foreign policy?
    • Annie,

      Many pro-Israel activists define good and evil in these terms: good is whatever advances their narrow ethnic interests and will to power; evil is whatever obstructs their narrow ethnic interests and will to power.

      This is what constitutes ethics and morality for them -- group and personal self-interest. Raw and primitive tribalism.

      If you don't agree completely with them -- shower them with flattery and adulation even -- you are the enemy -- a legitimate target of destruction.

      They cynically manipulate the rhetoric of moral outrage and self-righteousness as a weapon in competition and conflict with cult outsiders.

      Then they wonder why it is that they have polarized the world against themselves.

      Live by ethnic and religious nationalism, die by ethnic and religious nationalism. Don't be surprised by the results.

    • Annie -- key phrase in the Yossi Sarid article -- "campaign of intimidation."

      And this:

      "In these very moments, the protocols are being rewritten. Rich Jews are writing them in their own handwriting. They, in their wealth, are confirming with their own signatures what anti-Semites used to slander them with in days gone by: We, the elders of Zion, pull the strings of Congress, and the congressmen are nothing but marionettes who do our will. If they don’t understand our words, they’ll understand our threats. And if in the past, we ran the show from behind the scenes, now we’re doing it openly, from center stage. And if you forget our donations, the wellspring will run dry."

    • hophmi,

      In contemporary parlance, "Stalinist" (or the even more loose construction "Stalinist-style") is often used figuratively to describe political actors who display some or all of the traits in combination:

      1. absolutist
      2. authoritarian
      3. bullying
      4. collectivist
      5. controlling
      6. deceitful
      7. despotic
      8. dictatorial
      9. hostile to free speech
      10. intolerant of dissent
      11. mechanistic
      12. messianic
      13. oppressive
      14. punitive
      15. repressive
      16. rigid
      17. ruthless
      18. threatening
      19. totalitarian
      20. tyrannical

      You don't think any of those terms describe the mindset of pro-Israel militants -- others, who have had direct encounters with these militants, disagree.

      The Israel lobby is giving the impression that it intends to destroy the political careers of any Democrats who boycott Netanyahu's speech before the US Congress. It has issued that threat, without much subtlety.

    • We see before us the astonishing spectacle of the Israel lobby issuing Stalinist-style threats to punish Americans who side with their own president against a foreign leader -- and attacking them as "anti-American" -- how much crazier can it get? :)

      But by all means let's hope that Benjamin Netanyahu keeps fanning the flames of this controversy -- one should never interrupt a political opponent who is making one unforced error after another.

  • Chair of Democratic National Committee opposes Jewish intermarriage and MSNBC showing Gaza carnage
    • American,

      Americans who spend more time and energy lobbying for a foreign nation than for the interests of Americans clearly haven't been assimilated into American culture. Americans who regularly attack the American government on behalf of a foreign government will usually be viewed as traitors by most Americans -- as dangerous alien enemies within.

    • yonah fredman,

      "But all you’s here, you just wish the Jews would disappear. Jews, your whole shtick needs to be flushed down the toilet, you are saying. Forget your language, forget your customs, stop all that religious and ethnic stuff and disappear already. that’s what I’m hearing."

      That is not what I am hearing. What I am hearing is that quite a few people have noticed that the Jewish community overall seems to be much more intensely involved in ethnocentric politics (including lobbying for Israel and Zionism -- Jewish ethnic nationalism) than all the other mainstream ethnic groups in American culture -- and often in ways that are confrontational and divisive. Why is this the case? Why are there so many angry and often ugly confrontations between Jews and non-Jews (and between different factions of Jews) over Jewish identity issues?

      Most Americans don't approach the world with such a singleminded (one might obsessive) focus on a narrow ethnocentric agenda. Too much ethnocentrism in the public square almost appears to be un-American -- out of sync with modern Western democratic values.

      How do you explain the fact that highly visible Jewish pundits in American politics -- like Jeffrey Goldberg, Charles Krauthammer and Jennifer Rubin -- are brimming over with so much sturm and drang about their ethnic and ethnic nationalist issues? Do they ever notice that they are out of step with most other Americans?

      Increasingly I am inclined to explain this behavior more in psychological than cultural terms -- they can't help themselves -- that is how they are mentally wired. I think they are largely unconscious of what they are doing -- underwater.

    • hophmi,

      On the assimilation issue in the American cultural and political context:

      What distinctions do you draw between Americanism and Zionism (Jewish ethnic nationalism)?

      Do you draw any distinctions between Americanism and German or Irish or Swedish ethnic nationalism?

    • hophmi,

      "I don’t care what it means to you Sean. You’re not representative of most Americans."

      Really? Most Americans agree with the eight points I mentioned above -- they keep a low profile regarding their ethnic identity and issues -- and they most assuredly are not involved in aggressively lobbying for a foreign "homeland" in a way which draws them into angry confrontations and arguments with their fellow Americans.

      Isn't this what assimilation in the American context is all about -- transcending our respective ethnic and religious ghettos? Relating to one another on a higher level? Surely you must have some illuminating thoughts on these matters.

    • Mooser,

      "Or they sort of absorb it by osmosis."

      What precisely do they absorb by osmosis?

    • yonah fredman,

      Are you defining "whites" and "the West" (Europeans and Americans) as the enemies of "the Jews"? -- as perhaps the foremost and most dangerous enemies of "the Jews"?

      Over the years I've noticed a high volume of high-intensity anti-European and anti-American comments by Jewish Zionists in pro-Israel publications -- an interesting pattern. Clearly they believe that "the Clash of Civilizations" between Europeans ("whites") and Jews is of much greater consequence than "the Clash of Civilizations" between "the West" and Islam (boilerplate neocon propaganda).

    • hophmi,

      What being an assimilated American means to me:

      1. I don't try to confuse the American interest with the Irish or British interest.

      2. I don't try to goad the United States into foreign wars on behalf of Ireland or Britain.

      3. I don't demand high levels of American aid for Ireland or Britain.

      4. I don't insist that Americans "love" and declare their eternal devotion to the Irish or Ireland or to the English or Britain -- that would be preposterous -- truly degrading and embarrassing.

      5. I never get involved in arguments with my fellow Americans about Irish or English ethnic identity issues.

      6. I am not worked up about my ethnic or religious "enemies."

      7. I rarely mention my ethnic or religious identity at all -- why should I?

      8. I don't view my fellow Americans through an ethnic or religious prism or filter -- what interests me much more about them are their talents and achievements as individuals.

      Do we differ on these matters?

    • Some useful terms to Google in combination with "endogamy":

      1. bible
      2. biology
      3. bloodlines
      4. british monarchy
      5. caste system
      6. definition
      7. diseases
      8. disorders
      9. dna
      10. effects
      11. ethnic
      12. ethnic nepotism
      13. examples
      14. genes
      15. genetic diseases
      16. genetic disorders
      17. hinduism
      18. incest
      19. islam
      20. japan
      21. jews
      22. judaism
      23. mental disorders
      24. monarchy
      25. orthodox jews
      26. problems
      27. racism
      28. rothschilds
      29. royal families
      30. saudi arabia
      31. sociology
      32. taboo
      33. types
      34. wikipedia
      35. xenophobia

      The word that first comes to mind with regard to endogamy: "problematic."

    • What assimilation means for most Americans: they don't spend most of their time bogged down in angry and embittered arguments with their fellow Americans about their narrow ethnic and ethnic nationalist problems and conflicts -- they left that baggage behind a long time ago. And they are especially not preoccupied and overwrought about the travails of their foreign "homeland."

    • American,

      "I am gonna chalk it up to Avigails’s explaination about how their brains have literally been altered by generations of mythical beliefs and passing on of the trauma mentality."

      Don't overlook the role of endogamy in creating peculiar mental states and cultural attitudes.

      Endogamy: "the custom of marrying only within the limits of a local community, clan, or tribe."

      Endogamy: "the fusion of reproductive cells from related individuals; inbreeding; self-pollination."

      Think self-reinforcing feedback loops.

      Endogamy > xenophobia.

    • A no-brainer: ethnic friction is a function of ethnocentrism. The more ethnocentric you are, the more ethnic friction you will provoke and encounter.

      Levels and degrees of ethnocentrism among individuals and groups are easy to measure -- simply count up the number of ethnocentric references in their discourse. Some levels of ethnocentrism cross the line into a major mental disorder -- a form of OCD.

      Re: DWS -- a classic liberal Zionist, with all the absurd self-contradictions that come with the type. Her true feelings were expressed in her private remarks -- not in the public walkback.

  • Palestinians to take Israeli settlements to the ICC following announcement of 450 new units
    • Hostage,

      As I've mentioned before, you might consider organizing all your documentary resources into a browsable and searchable wiki -- a platform that would be much more effective in reaching curious minds all around the world on the Internet than random comments. Mondoweiss might consider developing a similar project for organizing and presenting its scattered documentary resources.

      Much of the most valuable information about the I/P conflict is buried in random and disorganized comments -- difficult to retrieve and connect.

      Understanding political situations is all about connecting the dots -- uncovering the key patterns and making them easy to grasp.

  • Netanyahu speech could allow Obama to 'take on the Jewish lobby' as he took on Cuba lobby -- Indyk
    • American,

      "BTW, in that clip Debbie says ‘assimilation and intermarriage’ of US Jews is worrisome for jewish culture and institutions.

      What a liberal, what a democrat!"

      This liberal Democrat (and liberal Zionist) sounds exactly like David Duke or any other white nationalist (or Louis Farrakhan or any other black nationalist) -- but the object of her passion is Jewish identity and Jewish interests.

      Why Americans have permitted Jewish nationalism to go mainstream and become respectable while marginalizing (or even criminalizing) all other forms of aggressive ethnic nationalism is a mystery. This is a double standard that should not be tolerated.

  • Shit dead rabbis say about gentiles
    • miriam6,

      What were the views of Menachem Schneerson on non-Jews? Do you have pointers to specific texts and passages?

      Googling "chabad racism" turns up a flood of fascinating hits:

      [Google; chabad racism link to google.com ]

      Readers here can sift through the material for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

      A phrase that leaps off the page: "supernal refuse" -- used to describe non-Jews.

    • Actually, perhaps Menachem Schneerson got it right:

      "The Gentile does not want anything. He waits to be told what the Jew wants!"

      Doesn't that sound exactly like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, Robert Menendez, Bill de Blasio and most other American politicians? (Just substitute the word "Israeli" for "Jew" -- think Benjamin Netanyahu, Sheldon Adelson or Haim Saban.)

      Donkeys, beasts of burden, Israeli guided missiles, Mossad Manchurian Candidates.

      When you're right, you're right.

  • Independent investigation details Israel's deliberate targeting of civilians in Gaza
    • On the issue of ethics:

      MOOSER: "RoHa, as a steady reader ( if a somewhat sporadic commenter) I’ve been noticing that over the past year, mentions of the Jewish ethical tradition are growing fewer and fewer."

      From the Observer today:

      "The founder of Chassidism, Rabbi Yisrael Baal Shem Tov, lost his father, Rabbi Eliezer, at the age of five. The last thing Rabbi Eliezer said before he died was, “Yisrolik, fear nothing but G-d alone. Love every single Jew, without exception, with the full depth of your heart and with the fire of your soul, no matter who he is or how he behaves.”"

      "Battling Jewish Titans Alan Dershowitz and Ronn Torossian Make Up" link to observer.com

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • Philemon,

      "Kathleen, as Mooser points out, Sean has, for some time – it’s very silly that it’s gone on for so long, but Sean had some weird idea that Mooser was a Jews-uber-alles guy, and that got Mooser’s back up...."

      No, that's not it at all.

      When I first pointed out that the Jewish religious establishment was using Judaism and Torah-based themes to promote Zionism and justify Israeli policies, Mooser objected. We've argued the point back and forth for quite some time, and my impression is that we now better understand each other's positions. Mooser may even agree with me in part since this assertion is clearly grounded in reality.

      By Jewish religious establishment, I have always been referring to those Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist leaders associated with the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:

      link to conferenceofpresidents.org

      I have also pointed out that the influence of progressive anti-Zionists on American politics (and especially on the US Congress) is minuscule (non-existent, really) compared to that of the Jewish religious establishment. They haven't been able to elect a single politician to the US Senate or House of Representatives -- nor is there any prospect that they will do so in the foreseeable future.

      This is rather an important issue for those of us who are trying to figure out what is going to be the future of American Mideast policy in the coming years.

      American Jews who share the views of JeffB and hophmi have been much more successful in achieving their political objectives than progressive anti-Zionists like Mooser, who have occupied the farthest fringe of American politics for over a half century. I largely agree with progressive anti-Zionists (although I consider myself more a non-Zionist than an anti-Zionist) -- but I have no confidence that they will be able to move the political needle on Israeli issues in the Republican and Democratic Parties. Even Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders expressed support for Operation Protective Edge.

      Mooser's views on Judaism may differ from those of Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist leaders -- but they have had little impact on real-world politics.

      Two quotes of note:

      1. "The prime minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] praised "the spirit of the Jewish community in France," which remains "totally connected with Am Yisrael ("the nation of Israel"), Eretz Yisrael ("the land of Israel"), and Torat Yisrael ("the Torah of Israel")."

      2. Naftali Bennett: "We love the land of Israel, we love the people of Israel, we love the Torah of Israel - and we're proud of it."

      Contemporary Jewish leaders have fused Judaism and Zionism into a single ethno-religious nationalist ideology -- that is a fact. And very few Americans are willing to challenge that belief system -- they believe that by defending Zionism they are defending Judaism.

    • Mooser,

      Sometimes discussions on Mondoweiss become a bit heated.

      On core values I think we agree for the most part -- live and let live. Human beings (and human groups) should treat one another with fairness and decency -- give one another space to breathe and go about their business.

      And some of your witticisms of late have been stellar -- up to your highest standards.

    • Mooser,

      I think we both agree that it is a mistake to mix together religion and politics -- as we agree on most other issues. Most Americans get that.

      Once any religious group enters the political sphere, it becomes fair game for criticism on political grounds. If it uses its religious ideology to justify political activism and policies, its religious ideology also becomes fair game for criticism.

      What is your take on Scott Ratner's article?

    • As a rule, the more that militant ethnic and religious nationalists lobby for their cause, the more friction they create with ethnic and religious outsiders.

      It's an irony that hasbarists don't seem to be able to grasp. The harder they work, the deeper the hole they dig for themselves.

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    • Regarding the lengthy (and often heated) exchanges here about the problematic relations between Judaism and Zionism, this is the most articulate explication of the issue I have seen to date.

      Money quote: "After all, in no other country besides Israel is Judaism the perennial justification for a decade’s long quest to suppress and uproot the culture and presence of millions of non-Jews."

      I strongly agree with this:

      "As the birthplace of the Jewish religion and the location where its most important modern day features and symbols came into being, the land of Israel should absolutely be an area where Jews from around the world, as both visitors or permanent residents, can bask in their cultural and linguistic heritage in tandem with all other religions and peoples native to the region."

      The main problem facing the Jewish religious establishment in 2015: how to disentangle Judaism from Zionism. Once that mission is accomplished, many of Israel's problems could be fixed and the I/P conflict could be resolved.

      On the entanglement of Judaism with Zionism:

      "Bennett: 'The day is near that the Jewish Home party will lead Israel'" link to middleeastmonitor.com

      Naftali Bennett: "We love the land of Israel, we love the people of Israel, we love the Torah of Israel - and we're proud of it."

      When will the leaders of Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism begin pushing back against these ideas forcefully and effectively? Perhaps too late to avert a catastrophe.

      As a rule, I never advise religions how to manage their affairs -- that is their business. But religious Zionism now influences American politics in ways that are impossible for Americans to ignore.

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • JeffB,

      Jewish neoconservatives, not Christian evangelicals, were the prime movers behind the Iraq War and the exploitation of the PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" (9/11) to kick into gear their long-planned scheme to use the "Global War on Terror" and "Clash of Civilizations" to rain down destruction on Israel's enemies.

      Everyone here can Google the factual details for themselves:

      [Google; iraq war jewish neoconservatives link to google.com ]

      But they probably won't bother -- they already know what's what.

      I could go through the exercise of citing chapter and verse from the top 100 Google hits on this subject, in dozens or hundreds of comments, but I've got better things to do.

      Jewish neoconservatives are also the lead agitators in the campaign to push the United States into a war against Iran -- and Benjamin Netanyahu -- the prime minister of Israel -- is the foremost agitator of them all.

      This political faction is motivated entirely by its passionate loyalty to Israel, Zionism (Jewish nationalism) and Greater Israelism (Torah-based Zionism) -- it couldn't care less about the American interest or American values.

      No one has claimed that Jewish neoconservatives = "the Jews" -- or that other interested parties (including Christian Zionists and non-Jewish war profiteers) didn't march in step with them in foisting the Iraq War on the American people with a collection of deliberate lies and torrents of pro-war propaganda (much of it from the distinctly *not* Christian New York Times and Washington Post).

      What is even more repulsive than the behavior of this faction in engineering the Iraq War is its adamant refusal to accept any responsibility for its actions after the disastrous results became evident to everyone.

    • Bornajoo,

      "The main reason for a possible attack on Iran is to stop them from gaining parity of power with israel and also to stop them gaining a deterrent from future annihilation"

      Once again, l like your clarity of thought and expression. That sums up the situation perfectly.

    • JeffB,

      To start making sense of our two lists -- mine and yours, we could being by comparing these two collections:

      1. anti-Iran remarks by Daniel Pipes
      2. anti-Iran remarks by Dennis Ross
      3. anti-Iran remarks by Douglas Feith
      4. anti-Iran remarks by Jennifer Rubin
      5. anti-Iran remarks by Michael Ledeen
      6. anti-Iran remarks by Pamela Geller
      7. anti-Iran remarks by William Kristol

      vs.

      1. anti-Iran remarks by Chris Dodd
      2. anti-Iran remarks by Chuck Hagel
      3. anti-Iran remarks by Jay Rockefeller
      4. anti-Iran remarks by Jesse Helms
      5. anti-Iran remarks by Richard Lugar
      6. anti-Iran remarks by Strom Thurmond
      7. anti-Iran remarks by Tom Daschle

      Your list is so weak that apparently you didn't notice that Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond have been dead for years -- they are not ringleaders of the campaign to attack Iran -- and that Chuck Hagel has been a strong critic of the Israel lobby.

      Tom Daschle was highly critical of the Iraq War -- he was also a target of the 9/11 anthrax attacks, which were almost certainly a false flag op. The massive cover-up concerning those attacks remains firmly in place.

    • JeffB,

      Stand back and look at the big picture.

      One almost never notices Americans arguing with Norwegian Americans, Irish Americans, Italian Americans, German Americans, Chinese Americans, etc. about the politics of Norway, Ireland, Italy, Germany, China, etc.

      But the arguments between Americans and Jewish Americans over Israel are torrential and often vicious -- just follow the comment sections on the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, Fox News, etc. (Especially take a close look at the angry responses that Jennifer Rubin has managed to provoke from Washington Post readers.)

      So what in the hell is going on? If I were you, I would be gravely worried about these developments and try to understand them -- I would be wondering about where all this is going.

      You are trying to convince us -- and yourself -- that nothing is amiss. Most of us are not buying it. We can see what is plainly in front of our nose.

    • JeffB,

      Are you claiming that Dodd, Daschle, Hagel, Helms, Lugar, Rockefeller, Thurmond and many other names on that list were conspicuous agitators for the Iraq War and are now conspicuous agitators for an Iran War?

      You are not making the slightest sense -- you really need to upgrade your hasbara efforts.

    • JeffB,

      Which leading Roman Catholics and Roman Catholic organizations were ringleaders of the Iraq War and are now ringleaders of the campaign to go to war against Iran?

      Keep in mind: "With 78.2 million baptized members, it [the Catholic Church] is the largest religious denomination in the United States, comprising 25% of the population." -- Wikipedia

      As I recall, the Vatican officially opposed the Iraq War.

    • JeffB,

      JEFFB: "I see your list of Jews but so what? One could assemble a much larger list of Christians. Heck given the relative size of the denominations I imagine you could assemble a much larger list of Presbyterians, Methodists or Episcopalians."

      Yes, but will these mainstream Christians (not Christian Zionist extremists like John Hagee) be raucous ringleaders of a campaign to go to war against Iran?

      Please name the Presbyterian, Methodist and Episcopalian organizations that have been conspicuously agitating for an American war against Iran on behalf of Israel -- that have been ringleaders of the Iraq War, the Global War on Terror, the Clash of Civilizations, an Iran War, Islamophobia, etc.

      What is the Christian equivalent of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations? See the list of CP members here: link to conferenceofpresidents.org

      JEFFB: "Mark Kirk does stuff AIPAC likes and Mark Kirk gets money from AIPAC. That’s the way it normally works."

      It's normal for an American politician to receive nearly $800,000 from a lobby that is working for the interests of a *foreign government*? And that is working night and day to drive the United States into World War III on behalf of that foreign government?

      Regarding Mark Kirk's pro-Israel funding, see link to opensecrets.org

      Do you see the governments of Ireland, France, China, etc. manipulating the US government this way? Or Irish Americans, French Americans or Chinese Americans working frenetically to push Americans into self-destructive foreign wars on behalf of Ireland, France or China?

      Future historians, JeffB, are going to adjudge this situation, in which for several decades the Israeli government and the Israel lobby have subverted and controlled the US Congress to the detriment of American interests, as being highly abnormal and bizarre. This state of affairs will not go on forever -- and the backlash promises to be titanic once Americans begin to realize that they've been led up the garden path by a narrow ethno-religious nationalist movement (cult, really) that is radically in conflict with fundamental American and modern Western democratic values.

    • JeffB,

      After being burned so badly by the Iraq War, you would think that Jewish neoconservatives, Jewish neoliberals and pro-Israel activists would be cautious about conspicuously leading Americans into another war -- this one with Iran -- that could be a much greater disaster than the Iraq War. But they have shown no such caution -- their zealotry has got the better of them. Into the breach and over the cliff at full steam -- the very definition of fanaticism and messianism.

      Re: into the breach:

      "Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
      Or close the wall up with our English dead.
      In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man
      As modest stillness and humility:
      But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
      Then imitate the action of the tiger;
      Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
      Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage;
      Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
      Let pry through the portage of the head
      Like the brass cannon; let the brow o’erwhelm it
      As fearfully as doth a galled rock
      O’erhang and jutty his confounded base,
      Swill’d with the wild and wasteful ocean.
      Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
      Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
      To his full height."

      Spoken by Henry, Henry V, Act III Scene 1 (William Shakespeare)

      But few of these agitators for endless Mideast wars are willing to put their bodies on the line -- they are laptop warriors. At some point they -- and the entire lobby that supports them -- are going to be held accountable for their actions and for the damage they have done to the American interest.

    • JeffB,

      "The #1 public advocate for war with Iran is Mark Kirk (R-IL), United Church of Christ same as Obama."

      Regarding Mark Kirk:

      "Mark Kirk Is AIPAC's Million Dollar Baby" (MJ Rosenberg)
      link to huffingtonpost.com

      BEGIN QUOTE
      Mark Kirk, the House member from Chicago who is now the GOP Senate nominee, is the #1 recipient of pro-Israel PAC money in the entire House. In fact, of the top 10 recipients from both Houses, he is the only House member.

      Why do the PACs love him?

      It is because Kirk is a pure Israel-firster. For Kirk, Israel can do no wrong. Add to that that he sits on the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations where he brings home the bacon for Israel big time. Its wish is his command....

      During the Gaza war, he famously told a pro-Gaza war pep rally in Washingtom that "it's time to take the trash out" in Gaza. That was at a time when 1,400 Palestinians, most of them civilians (and 320 children) were being killed by the Israeli army.

      Kirk has courted AIPAC since he was a House staffer and now it could pay off big time for the lobbying powerhouse. In the past, AIPAC has had hundreds of senators who took all their cues on the Middle East from AIPAC. But, in Kirk, they will have something else. Their very own senator.
      END QUOTE

    • JeffB,

      "The #1 public advocate for war with Iran is Mark Kirk (R-IL), United Church of Christ same as Obama."

      Isn't the pro-Israel wing of the Jewish lobby the most important factor in the anti-Iran, pro-Iran sanctions and pro-Iran War lobby?

      A few examples:

      1. Abram Shulsky
      2. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
      3. Alan Dershowitz
      4. Alan Kuperman
      5. Anne Applebaum
      6. Avigdor Lieberman
      7. Ben Chouake
      8. Ben Stein
      9. Benjamin Netanyahu
      10. Benny Morris
      11. Bret Stephens
      12. Caroline Glick
      13. Charles Krauthammer
      14. Cliff May
      15. Commentary Magazine
      16. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
      17. Dan Meridor
      18. Daniel Pipes
      19. Danielle Pletka
      20. Danny Dayon
      21. Danny Yatom
      22. David Brog
      23. David Frum
      24. David Horowitz
      25. David Makovsky
      26. David Wurmser
      27. Dennis Ross
      28. Dick Morris
      29. Dore Gold
      30. Douglas Feith
      31. ECI (Emergency Committee for Israel)
      32. Ehud Barak
      33. Elliott Abrams
      34. Eric Cantor
      35. Frank Gaffney
      36. Fred Hiatt
      37. Fred Kagan
      38. Frontpage Magazine
      39. Haim Saban
      40. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
      41. INSS (Institute for National Security Studies)
      42. Israeli government
      43. Jamie Glazov
      44. Jane Harman
      45. Jeffrey Goldberg
      46. Jennifer Rubin
      47. Jewish neoconservatives
      48. Jewish neoliberals
      49. Jewish World Review
      50. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
      51. Joe Lieberman
      52. John Podhoretz
      53. Jonathan Schanzer
      54. Joshua Muravchik
      55. Kevin Bergner
      56. Lester Crown
      57. Likud
      58. Malcolm Hoenlein
      59. Matthew Kroenig
      60. Max Boot
      61. Meyrav Wurmser
      62. Michael Ledeen
      63. Michael Makovsky
      64. Michael Oren
      65. Michael Rubin
      66. Mike Evans
      67. Natan Sharansky
      68. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
      69. Norman Podhoretz
      70. Oded Tira
      71. One Jerusalem
      72. Pajamas Media
      73. Pamela Geller
      74. Randy Scheunemann
      75. Reuel Marc Gerecht
      76. Richard Cohen
      77. Richard Haass
      78. Richard Perle
      79. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
      80. Robert Kagan
      81. Robert Wexler
      82. Shabtai Shavit
      83. Sheldon Adelson
      84. Shimon Peres
      85. Steve Rosen
      86. William Kristol
      87. Yaron Brook
      88. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)

      There are many others.

      What other special interest group in American politics has been as aggressive and conspicuous in instigating and promoting conflict with Iran?

    • Giles,

      "AIPAC is the head of a power configuration that is far more than a Lobby."

      For a list of some of the key components of the Israel lobby, see [# pro-Israel organizations link to friendfeed.com ]

  • On CNN, Boteach lectures two prominent Muslims about freedom they 'enjoy' in US and Israel
    • American,

      Notice that Shmuley Boteach is using the Torah/Old Testament God as a rationale for hating and committing violence against his ethnic/national enemies. In other words, "G-d" is a psychological projection of Boteach's own personality traits. And perhaps this is the way it has always been with regard to the religious inventions of mankind.

      Our respective deities tell us a great deal about who we really are.

      Shmuley Boteach:

      "Judaism never posits a G-d that is so monolithic as to be described as love. Do you really want a G-d who is all love when it comes to punishing the Nazis for cremating children? Do you want a G-d who is all love when it comes to stopping an al-Qaida terrorist from planting a bomb that will blow up an airplane? Or do you want, at that moment, a just G-d who will cause that terrorist to have a car accident on the way to the plane so he can’t plant his bomb."

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • JeffB,

      "Memes take time to spread through a culture and fully integrate. American Jews didn’t invent Zionism. American Jews came to be Zionists late. But today they are and institutionally Judaism is Zionist globally."

      **"institutionally Judaism is Zionist globally"** -- clearly this is the case. In fact, Jewish religious Zionists are now arguably the most vital component of the Israeli government and the worldwide Israel lobby, especially in the United States. Judaism and the Jewish religious establishment are an arm of the Israeli government.

      This is an ideological and cultural development of the utmost significance within Jewish history and human history as a whole -- few people have begun to contemplate the full implications and consequences.

    • JeffB,

      Associating Judaism exclusively with the Israeli government would be like associating Roman Catholicism exclusively with the Italian government or Protestantism exclusively with the German government or Islam exclusively with the Saudi government.

      If Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam *had* been associated exclusively with single nation-states and governments for the past few centuries, they would probably be completely discredited by now because nation-states and governments are highly volatile and fallible entities.

      You say, "I’m comfortable with where I stand." I think you are standing on incredibly thin ice and don't realize it. This won't be the first time that Jews have been swept up by a self-destructive and false messianic movement.

    • JeffB,

      "It is not the martians that are building Israel, it is the Jews. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that the Jews support Israel. If Israel is a manifest evil, then the Jews are supporting manifest evil. Who does that sort of thing? Evil people. Calling Jews evil and saying that Israel are evil are effectively indistinguishable. The idea that there is some great moral divide between the two is a farce."

      You are arguing that all Jews and "the Jews" collectively are Zionists and are responsible for Zionism and the policies and actions of the Israeli government -- quite a dangerous line of thought -- but most Zionists agree with you.

      This is precisely the kind of argument that authentic antisemites are on board with -- but no surprise there -- Zionists and antisemites have been collaborators from the beginning of modern Zionism.

      Whenever opponents of antisemitism try to draw clear distinctions between Jews and Zionists, Zionists like yourself are eager to push back and claim that Jews and Zionists are indeed synonymous.

      Imagine if all Roman Catholics were to be judged and held responsible for the policies and actions of the Italian government or any particular Italian regime -- Zionists fail to see the pitfalls in conflating religion and politics at this level of intensity. Catastrophe is guaranteed.

      When are you going to take the trouble to think these issues through?

    • Mooser,

      "Oh, JeffyB doesn’t hesitate to use the Jewish religion for an excuse for anything when he feels like it."

      The 55 member organizations of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations appear to be on the same page with JeffB, along with the entire US Congress.

      Judaism=Zionism.

      Is it possible to turn this around? If so, how?

    • Mooser,

      "What a great idea, David! And if “International Jewry” (sic) was anything but the invention of anti-Semites, why, it maybe could happen!"

      Jewish and Israeli establishment organizations and publications use the expression "world Jewry" all the time. Google it. They keep that meme fully charged up from decade to decade.

      Judaism probably explains their attachment to this belief -- the Torah-based notion that all Jews worldwide comprise a single mystical collective -- one that is often defined in ethnic and/or nationalist terms.

      This is typical (from the Forward):

      "Israel Approves 'Revolutionary' World Jewry Initiative" link to forward.com

      Try browsing:

      [Google; "world jewry" link to google.com"world+jewry" ]

      (Once again, WordPress can't handle some basic URLs for Google search expressions -- you'll have to plug that phrase into Google yourself to see the hits.)

  • 'With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France': Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper
    • Bornajoo,

      "I have held the belief for some time now that Israel is simply waiting for a cataclysmic event to take place (sponsored, promoted, engineered by them) so that they can expel the remaining Palestinians once and for all."

      I've thought this for some time also -- this strikes me as the endgame that Israel has had in mind from before its creation -- and it has a good chance of achieving this goal with the close covert cooperation of neoconservatives, neoliberals and Christian Zionists in the governments of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, etc.

      I agree 100% with all your other points -- which were stated with admirable focus and clarity.

    • Mooser,

      All human cults with strong grandiose and euphoric tendencies may have a significant genetic component.

      Increasingly we are beginning to realize that there are genetic markers and drivers for much of human behavior (and many mental disorders).

      For instance, try Googling:

      1. [Google; bipolar disorder genetics link to google.com

      2. [Google; obsessive compulsive disorder genetics link to google.com

      3. [Google; tourette syndrome genetics link to google.com

      Is there an ethnocentrism gene (or complex of genes)? -- here's betting that we will discover it before long.

      Wrt to Ziocaine Syndrome -- clearly some people are more susceptible to it than others -- the question is why. Innate proclivities and predilections? Cultural programming? Social stress?

      Ziocaine Syndrome is just one of many manifestations of messianic ethnocentrism as presented by numerous ethnic groups, with varying degrees of intensity.

    • Mooser,

      "Bornajoo, I fully appreciate “seanmcbride”s analysis of Judaism and Zionism, and I am sure “seanmcbride” has practical programs he could suggest."

      What I am suggesting is that strong minds within the Jewish community who understand the problematic relations between Judaism and Zionism open up the public conversation with energy -- and see if they can move the needle within the Jewish religious establishment (and the Jewish and Israel lobbies). Don't be shy. Don't hold back.

      Quite a few progressive anti-Zionists are treating the Jewish religious establishment and mainstream Judaism as a sacred cow -- don't go there, don't criticize, don't challenge their political activities in support of the Israeli government and Zionist ideology. I think that is a mistake. That is a point of maximum leverage -- try pressing on the lever.

    • Bornajoo,

      Love your posts -- so clear-headed and full of life.

      Clearly, waiting for massive ground-up ideological reform within the religious Jewish world -- which may never happen or take decades or centuries -- isn't going to solve the I/P problem -- not even slightly. Some kind of effective outside coercion needs to be applied on Israel to persuade it to alter its course.

      But, alas, Israel's power in American politics is so vast that so far it has been able to fend off this coercion. For as long as the Jewish lobby within the Israel lobby within the United States chooses to exercise its influence to protect Israel, it will probably succeed.

      So I guess what I am saying is that I am **really** pessimistic about witnessing a just and happy solution to the I/P conflict during my lifetime -- it may never occur.

      Annie Robbins recently got me thinking about the possibility that perhaps the global BDS movement will succeed in routing around the American government and the Israel lobby and convince Israel to seek a meaningful peace agreement with the Palestinians. I am hoping that she is right.

      But one can also envision Israel waging a successful campaign of black ops against all the key leaders of the global BDS movement -- taking down the most important individuals one by one and discouraging others from taking their place.

      Israel may also succeed in getting World War III off the ground between "the West" and the Muslim world -- pushing public concern for the I/P conflict to the far margins of consciousness. Look at how much political traction Likud has been able to acquire from just two events -- 9/11 and the Charlie Hebdo shooting. It may require only a few more incidents of this type to push Americans and Europeans completely over the edge with regard to unleashing massive genocidal violence on Israel's enemies (including Palestinians).

      The Republican Party, which now controls the US Congress, is already fired up to rush down the violent path that the Israeli government has constructed for it. Just listen to the words of GOP leaders like Lindsey Graham.

      Meanwhile, if the leaders of mainstream and establishment Judaism came to the conclusion that Israel and Zionism were harming their fundamental and long-term values and interests in a dangerous way, they could in fact turn this entire situation around quite quickly. I think they should be lobbied along these lines -- you never know -- it might work.

    • Mooser,

      When I think of Ziocaine, I usually think of its more extreme expressions, often by the religious settlers: crazy eyes, robotic demeanor, biblical cursing, death threats, spitting, price tag attacks, vandalism, threats to destroy the world, vicious verbal abuse, generalized dementia, etc.

      The obvious question arises: what are the root causes of this behavior? What is the chicken and what is the egg?

      We need to understand what is going on here.

    • Mooser,

      All along through these exchanges I have been aware that we agree on the essentials: Zionists do not represents all Jews (religious or secular) and many Jews are not Zionists. (I am currently making this argument with JeffB.)

      The difference in emphasis between us: I am increasingly pessimistic that any political group in the United States (progressive anti-Zionists or otherwise) is going to be able to take on the Israel lobby and win.

      I am one of those people who thought that liberal Zionists were going to succeed in achieving an end to the I/P conflict two decades ago -- so much naivete on my part. Frankly, I am weary of the entire topic and often wish never to hear about it again. It's a black hole that sucks up valuable energy and provides no useful returns -- the very definition of neurosis -- round and round the hamster wheel.

    • Philemon,

      SEAN: "I don’t think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology."

      PHILEMON: "Sean, the only problem is that we already know the roots; blood and soil nationalism was an epidemic back in the 19th century."

      European nations abandoned blood and soil nationalism after World War II but Zionists doubled down on it. And contemporary Zionism seems to be more grounded in several thousand years of Torah/Old Testament ideological structures and themes than in 19th century European nationalism.

      Over the last half century, Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist leaders have succeeded in erasing all distinctions between between Judaism and Zionism -- so, in your opinion, what's next on the historical agenda regarding these matters?

      Zionism appears to have acquired close to ironclad control over the entire American political system and is driving the West into an apocalyptic war against the entire Muslim world -- one probably using WMDs.

      How do progressive anti-Zionists intend to turn this situation around? With BDS? What steps will the Israel lobby take to counter BDS?

      PHILEMON: "Now, maybe you would like to point out that some strands of Judaism were more susceptible to the infection."

      Some strands? All the most influential branches of Judaism are firmly in the Zionist camp:

      Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations: Member Organizations
      link to conferenceofpresidents.org

    • Mooser,

      Do you time to explain what you mean by Ziocaine? What is it exactly?

    • Daniel Rich,

      "I don’t understand why your criticism [of Mooser] comes in the form of a comment and is not directly aimed at Mooser himself. Is this because of an old feud between the two of you I’m not aware of?"

      Mooser and I have had quite a few exchanges about the role of biblical ethno-religious nationalism in driving, energizing, empowering and defining Zionism -- I wouldn't characterize the exchanges as a feud -- but we always seem to be talking past one another -- failing to dock and communicate.

      I responded to Keith's comment here because it rang a bell.

      On the subject of tribalism: one must define varieties of tribalism -- ethnic, racial, religious, ethno-religious, cultural, etc.

      One can easily measure the degree of tribalism of any particular tribal group -- simply count up the number of times leading members of a tribe mention their tribal identity, issues, problems, conflicts, enemies, etc -- in the age of Big Data and text mining, a trivial task.

      If I were preoccupied with Irish tribal (Irish ethnic nationalist) issues, you could rightly describe me as an Irish tribalist -- but I am not. Most Americans are not ethnic tribalists or ethnic nationalists.

      I see no differences of consequence between white nationalists and Jewish nationalists (Zionists) -- all expressions of ethnic nationalism share the same fundamental characteristics.

      I don't think that progressive anti-Zionists are going to make any progress in effectively challenging Zionism until they begin to deconstruct the roots of Zionism as an ideology.

    • Keith,

      "Mooser can, at times, be hysterically funny, but he can also be quite hostile to even discussing Jewish organization and Jewish power."

      Mooser seems to believe that there is no such thing as the Jews (and their organizational leadership) and that this non-existent people and special interest group has had nothing to do with Zionism.

      *Real* Jews, supposedly, are like Mooser -- impossible to pin down on anything -- as slippery as mercury -- barely there at all -- certainly not accountable for any bad or questionable beliefs, policies or behavior.

      I recall Mooser's humor as being more clever and subtle at one time than it is now -- delivered with a much lighter touch -- not so dependent on heavy-handed sarcasm to make its exasperated points to a never-ending stream of his supposedly intellectual and moral inferiors.

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • Mooser,

      An interesting article just published by the Jerusalem Post:

      "Netanyahu at Paris victims' funeral: Time for civilized world to uproot enemies in our midst"
      link to jpost.com

      BEGIN QUOTE
      "These aren’t just enemies of the Jews, but all of humanity," the prime minister said. "It’s about time that all of the civilized world unite and uproot these enemies from our midst."....

      The prime minister praised "the spirit of the Jewish community in France," which remains "totally connected with Am Yisrael ("the nation of Israel"), Eretz Yisrael ("the land of Israel"), and Torat Yisrael ("the Torah of Israel").
      END QUOTE

      According to the current prime minister of Israel ("the King of the Jews" in the minds of some), Zionism is all about three key concepts: 1. Am Yisrael ("the nation of Israel") 2. Eretz Yisrael ("the land of Israel") 3. Torat Yisrael ("the Torah of Israel").

      Which was precisely my point when our long-running discussion on these matters first began.

      As for "uprooting our enemies" -- that sounds quite biblical in the genocidal sense.

    • Mooser,

      Isn't Israel itself -- and the Zionist movement as a whole -- trying to self-segregate? Why else define Israel officially as "a Jewish state"? This psychological temperament and syndrome isn't limited to the ultra-Orthodox.

      All ethnic and religious nationalist movements and ideologies tend to be self-segregating, self-ghettoizing and xenophobic -- that's the name of the game. The Torah/Old Testament -- which provides the core themes and memes for Zionism -- is the world's supreme model for enshrining and sacralizing this pattern of social organization.

    • # regarding Zionism and climate change denialism -- some attitudes and positions that strongly tend to cluster together:

      1. anti-environmentalism
      2. pro-Afghanistan War
      3. pro-Afpak War
      4. pro-assassinations
      5. pro-Big Oil
      6. pro-carbon industry
      7. pro-Christian Zionism
      8. pro-Clash of Civilizations
      9. pro-climate change denialism
      10. pro-ethnic nationalism
      11. pro-Fox News
      12. pro-fracking
      13. pro-Global War on Terror
      14. pro-global warming denialism
      15. pro-Greater Israel
      16. pro-Iran War
      17. pro-Iraq War
      18. pro-Islamophobia
      19. pro-Israel
      20. pro-Judeo-Christian fascism
      21. pro-Libya War
      22. pro-mass surveillance
      23. pro-military-industrial complex
      24. pro-neoconservatism
      25. pro-neoliberalism
      26. pro-radical wealth inequality
      27. pro-religious nationalism
      28. pro-religious Zionism
      29. pro-Syria War
      30. pro-torture
      31. pro-war profiteering

    • seafoid,

      "Climate models are better than finance models and getting better. Climate change goes on meanwhile."

      Do a bit of data mining and you will notice that there is a close correlation between pro-Israel militancy and climate change denialism -- why this is the case is open for speculation.

    • Mooser,

      There are hundreds or thousands of stories in contemporary Jewish and Israeli media outlets describing efforts by many religious Jews (mostly ultra-Orthodox and Orthodox) to self-segregate and self-ghettoize.

      It wouldn't be surprising if these cultural attitudes weren't much more prevalent among the Jewish community as a whole several hundred years ago -- before there were Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist and secular/humanist Jews.

      One could even argue that modern secular and humanist Jews often self-segregate to a degree, in terms of where they live and with whom they associate -- they often tend to cluster in cliques and clearly defined social networks.

    • Mooser,

      Many leading political activists on the left in American politics supported the crimes of the Soviet Union during the early and middle decades of the 20th century. It's a major chapter in American history and the history of 20th century left-wing politics.

      Yes -- the Soviets actually managed to murder many more human beings than the Nazis -- and before Nazism rose to power in Germany. Many of those human beings were targeted for the crime of being Christians.

      Try Googling:

      [Google; new york times stalin link to google.com ]

      Particularly take a good look at Walter Duranty.

      Many of these pro-Soviet Americans on the left actually defined themselves as being "progressive" -- they used that specific word.

    • The fact that a major terrorist event smells funny doesn't prove that it's a false flag op or inside job. But it's worth paying attention to the unfolding of any patterns of information and evidence that might lead to suspicions in that direction:

      1. [Google; charlie hebdo conspiracy link to google.com ]

      2. [Google; charlie hebdo false flag link to google.com ]

      3. [Google; charlie hebdo inside job link to google.com ]

      4. [Google; charlie hebdo mossad link to google.com ]

      Always reserve judgment on these matters until all the well-documented facts come together.

      My impression is that neoconservatives have engineered so many provocations directed at Islam and Muslims over the last decade that many of these incidents are now occurring spontaneously -- mission accomplished, from the neocon standpoint. The flames are roaring nicely after being carefully lit and kindled.

    • Theo,

      Regarding the mass murder of Christians by "progressives" during the early decades of the 20th century:

      [Google; communism christians killed link to google.com ]

      Hardly a trivial or light-hearted issue.

      Tens of millions is rather a large number.

  • The moral hysteria of Je suis charlie
    • Mooser,

      ME: “Who do you think bears the primary responsibility for Zionism?”

      MOOSER: "Sean, if you want to pin it on me, go ahead. You might as well. I probably did it during one of those “white nights” Graham Greene spoke of."

      If you ever feel like getting serious on the subject, I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

      One could compile a list of the 100 most influential leaders of Zionism for the past 120 years -- perhaps they bear primary responsibility for the political movement they have led.

      Some Zionists might assign blame to "the nations" -- the non-Jewish nations of the world -- for pushing Jews into a corner -- because "the goyim" suffer from the disease of antisemitism -- which apparently is a genetic, biological or neurological disorder. Others do of course claim that "God" is the author of Zionism.

      (The Graham Greene reference is to opium -- got that.)

      I have suggested several times that Zionist ideology is organically rooted in ancient and traditional Judaism -- probably we still don't see eye to eye on that issue. The world will probably survive our disagreement. I find myself increasingly curious about the psychological factors driving and forming all religions.

    • Mooser,

      "But I do think Zionism and Israel will make every effort to see they go down together. And Zionism will make every effort to see Judaism gets the blame and the responsibility, if it comes to that."

      Who do you think bears the primary responsibility for Zionism?

  • Dershowitz story is also an Israel story
    • An update on the Epstein/Dershowitz controversy

      For over a week now the story has come to a dead halt in the mainstream media -- with the exception of Alan Dershowitz broadcasting his side of the story to the Wall Street Journal and other leading media outlets.

      Certainly Dershowitz has a right to defend himself -- and he may well have been falsely accused (which would be outrageous) -- but the mainstream media have not lifted a finger to look into the stories of Jeffrey Epstein's underage rape victims. So there seems to be a distinct agenda in play here -- the mainstream media are hoping that the story will blow over and be forgotten, with no clear resolution concerning the facts about what really happened.

      But the defamation suit by Paul Cassell and Bradley Edwards against Alan Dershowitz is still in play.

      Following what is going on is simple with Google News and Twitter:

      Google News: link to google.com

      Twitter: link to twitter.com

      Legitimate questions for Alan Dershowitz on the minds of many people: how did you come to be so deeply involved with Jeffrey Epstein? How much did you know about his operation? What role did you play in crafting the NPA (non-prosecution agreement)? Were you involved in defaming and intimidating witnesses?

      There is one new story on the controversy:

      "Black Girls Excluded From Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s Harem" link to jewishbusinessnews.com

    • "U.S. judge may unseal Epstein sex-crime plea deal records" link to whbl.com

    • Jeffrey Epstein's Connections (NNDB Mapper) link to mapper.nndb.com

    • "How Alan Dershowitz bullied rape victims to protect a serial child molester"
      link to electronicintifada.net

      BEGIN EXCERPTS
      Dershowitz played a key role in negotiating a secret provision in Epstein’s plea deal that immunized “any potential co-conspirators” from federal prosecution. In other words, Dershowitz negotiated an agreement that (if the allegations against him are true) shields him from prosecution for participating in a child sex-trafficking ring.

      Since there has been no trial to determine whether Dershowitz and Prince Andrew are liable for the allegations against them, which they categorically deny, they should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

      That said, while the mainstream press revives its interest in Epstein and reproduces strongly worded denials from Dershowitz and representatives of Prince Andrew, it has overlooked the role of Epstein’s social network in building up his influence and shielding him from accountability. Media coverage of Epstein has been particularly derelict in failing to note the pivotal role of Alan Dershowitz, Israel’s most aggressive defender, in securing near impunity for a sexual predator and his accomplices by bullying, harassing, intimidating and smearing child victims of rape....

      The federal government had mountains of evidence to put Epstein behind bars for decades for child sex-trafficking and serial molestation.

      Epstein procured and molested no fewer than forty underage girls, some from other continents and as young as twelve, in a trafficking ring that involved some of the most powerful people in America and around the world, including “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister, and other world leaders,” according to the court filing.
      END EXCERPTS

      The mainstream media haven't "overlooked" this issue -- they are deliberately burying it.

      (This may be the most important article written on this story to date -- read the full text.)

    • What may be more important to know are his hidden gurus, string-pullers, "rabbis," enablers, investors, managers, guides, mentors and clients -- his covert network.

    • Still a mystery: how, precisely, did Jeffrey Epstein obtain his wealth?

      "Jeffrey Epstein profile: How did Prince Andrew’s college-dropout friend become an island-owning billionaire?" link to independent.co.uk

      "However, Epstein made his money might seem irrelevant when compared with his predilection for young girls. However, anyone with a rudimentary understanding of financial services ought to have asked tough questions, and nobody appears to have."

    • Is Dershowitz becoming a bit unhinged? Read the following carefully:

      "Alan Dershowitz Responds" (Ed Whelan) link to nationalreview.com

      One is reminded of the old saying -- a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

      Competent legal advisers would probably have urged Dershowitz against going on the mainstream media rampage of the last few days -- rash statements he has made could create problems for him down the line -- especially the defamatory remarks.

      With regard to Virginia Roberts -- either she will be able to provide credible, concrete and detailed descriptions of her encounters with AD -- perhaps buttressed by reliable eyewitness testimony from others -- or not. This remains to be seen.

    • You know, this Epstein/Dershowitz story is barely underway:

      "The filing also accuses a famous Harvard law professor, Alan Dershowitz, an attorney for Epstein, of having abused the minor, and describes a larger criminal plot run by the financier to facilitate blackmail. The victim claims she was trafficked by Epstein “for sexual purposes to many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister and other world leaders.” These men are not named—yet."

      link to lawfuel.com

      So many more shoes to drop.

    • Where exactly did Jeffrey Epstein's money come from? Certainly CIA+NSA+FBI+IRS must know. Who are his clients?

      And how much money has Alan Dershowitz received from Jeffrey Epstein?

      Do the mainstream media have any interest in these matters? Or are they going out of there way not to discuss them?

    • lysias,

      Wikipedia pulls together facts and data on important fast-breaking news stories.

      See [Wikipedia; Charlie Hebdo shooting link to en.wikipedia.org ]

      See also [Wikimedia Commons; Category:2015 Charlie Hebdo magazine shooting link to commons.wikimedia.org ]

    • "Perhaps this is all nonsense. But you have to put the available puzzle pieces together. I’m not typically a conspiracy theorist but I’m starting to really think this story is MUCH bigger than anyone is letting on. And once you start to suppose, then the really wild theories can be entertained. “Listen Tony, we really need you onboard with this Iraq thing. Pity if anything were to emerge that might sully your impeccable reputation…”"

      "The guy has the largest residence in all of NYC. oh..and his own private island populated with underage concubines. Where did this all come from? That’s the first thing we need some sort of plausible answer for."

      So why aren't the New York Times and Washington Post looking at the obvious elephant in the room? -- they have the investigative resources to do so (at least they once did).

      One possible explanation: they are part of Jeffrey Epstein's political network (along with Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert, Henry Kissinger, Larry Summers, Michael Bloomberg, Peter Mandelson, Tony Blair, etc.) -- they are much more interested in protecting him (and his string-pullers) than in reporting the facts about him and his operation.

      Also, they may be eminently blackmailable.

    • From the BBC:

      "Alan Dershowitz sued in Prince Andrew sex abuse case"
      link to bbc.com

      "A royal aide has said the prince will "move on and push ahead" with his work, describing him as "resilient"."

      Prince Andrew is moving in precisely the opposite direction of Alan Dershowitz -- he wants the story to die down as soon as possible -- not fan the flames.

      Most of the parties to the NPA (non-prosecution agreement) with Epstein are probably also hoping that this controversy quickly disappears.

      Also:

      "It is likely the 54-year-old's first public appearance will be at a reception at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland later this month."

    • Breitbart is rushing to Dershowitz's defense for the same reason Shmuley Boteach did -- he's militantly pro-Israel and pro-Zionist. That's the only issue that matters for them -- nothing else is real or of consequence.

    • "I Tried to Warn You About Sleazy Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in 2003" - The Daily Beast (Vicky Ward) link to thedailybeast.com

      "He has a way of spooking you, does Epstein. Or he did. My babies were born prematurely, dangerously so; he’d asked which hospital I was giving birth at—and I was so afraid that somehow, with all his connections to the academic and medical community, that he was coming for my little ones that I put security on them in the NICU. When they’d been released home some months later, I went out to my first party. There was Jeffrey Epstein, sucking a lollipop. “Vicky,” he said, “you look so pretty.”"

    • Isn't the real scandal here revolving around whatever people engineered the non-prosecution agreement? (Not to mention whatever parties were behind the witness tampering and intimidation?)

      If the New York Times and the Washington Post were still real news operations, they would be all over this. But they appear to be part of the same incestuous social/political network that was behind the NPA -- they are all circling the wagons.

    • Dershowitz is probably worrying that if Prince Andrew fails to conduct a scorched earth legal counterattack against Cassell, Edwards and Roberts -- to puff himself up with volcanic moral outrage -- their collective position of adamant denial is going to look soft and weak.

      In fact, Prince Andrew is giving every appearance that he wants this entire controversy to go away immediately and completely -- not another word. Dershowitz is busy cooking up a long-running circus for all the world to gawk at. Smart?

      Here's betting that most of the high-level principals in the case who palled around with Epstein, and accepted his favors, simply want Dershowitz to shut the f*ck up -- not to stir the pot. Leave sleeping dogs lie.

    • Dershowitz is really happy about the new lawsuit filed against him:

      BEGIN EXCERPT
      In an interview Tuesday, Dershowitz said he “welcome[s]” the lawsuit against him as an opportunity to combat what he claims are false accusations.

      “This gives me a weapon that I didn’t previously have, and the weapon is the power of deposition,” Dershowitz said. “I can now subpoena them, put them under oath, subject them to cross-examination, and prosecute them for perjury if they lie.”

      “This is a very positive development for me,” he said.
      END EXCERPT

      "As Dershowitz Takes Action To Refute Allegations, Lawyers Sue for Defamation -- Dershowitz, Accused of Sexual Misconduct, Says He "Welcome[s]" Lawsuit (The Harvard Crimson)" link to thecrimson.com

    • An update on this story:

      "U. professor Paul Cassell fires back at Alan Dershowitz, files defamation suit | Deseret News" link to deseretnews.com

      BEGIN EXCERPTS
      A day after famed attorney Alan Dershowitz went on national TV calling for the disbarment of University of Utah law professor and former federal Judge Paul Cassell, Cassell and his co-counsel have countered with a defamation lawsuit.

      On Tuesday, Cassell and Florida attorney Brad Edwards filed a defamation lawsuit in the 17th Judicial Circuit Court in Broward County, Florida, claiming Dershowitz engaged in "character assassination" against them in national media interviews, and acted in "willful, wanton, reckless, and intentional disregard" of the two attorneys."

      The suit by Cassell and Edwards calls Dershowitz's TV appearances a "massive public media assault on the reputation and character" of the two attorneys. In their suit, the attorneys say Dershowitz spoke "without ever conducting any investigation of the credibility of the accusations, and of having acted unethically to the extent that their willful misconduct warranted and required disbarment." The attorneys contend that Dershowitz's statements "were false and known by him to be false at the time they were made."

      "Alternatively, Dershowitz made the statements in reckless disregard of their truth or falsity, intending that the statements would provide support for Dershowitz's false protestations of his own innocence and direct attention away from Dershowitz's personal knowledge of and involvement in Epstein's criminal conduct and the subsequent coverup of that misconduct. Dershowitz's statements were and are defamatory per se directly attacking the fitness of the plaintiffs to engage in the honored profession of the practice of law," the two attorneys wrote.

      Cassell released a statement from Jane Doe No. 3 on Monday that said she is "looking forward to vindicating my rights as an innocent victim and pursuing all available recourse. It appears that I am now being unjustly victimized again. These types of aggressive attacks on me are exactly the reason why sexual abuse victims typically remain silent and the reason why I did for a long time. That trend should change. I'm not going to be bullied back into silence."
      END EXCERPTS

      Alan Dershowitz may have made his situation much worse by savagely attacking Paul Cassell, Brad Edwards and Virginia Roberts.

      And he and Shmuley Boteach have managed to drag Israel and "the Jewish people" right into the middle of this mess, in association with Jeffrey Epstein.

      What Israeli and Jewish values were exhibited by Jeffrey Epstein's honey-trap operation, which lured in some of the most powerful leaders in the Western world?

      Questions are now being raised about Dershowitz's possible role in tampering with and intimidating witnesses in the Epstein case:

      "Prince Andrew's friend Jeffrey Epstein 'used aggressive witness tampering to prevent truth coming out'" link to telegraph.co.uk

      Read the full text -- it's an appalling story.

  • Against self-determination
    • Mooser,

      Btw, there is a worthy adversary for you on Twitter:

      Buber Zionist link to twitter.com

      He sometimes reminds me of you -- but without your charm, wit and sense of humor.

      He has posted 163,000 tweets and has 3,700 followers.

    • Mooser,

      Do you post on any social media platforms which we could follow? I am sure that you, like everyone else here, have interests that extend well beyond the range of the I/P conflict.

      I urge Mondoweiss commenters here to provide as many avenues of communication with them as they feel comfortable with sharing with us.

      Exploiting the capability of the Internet to enable multidirectional communications netwide, with no centralized gatekeepers, is a key tool for energizing grassroots political activism. For instance, I've noticed over the last year or two that many of the best minds on I/P issues are communicating with one another on Twitter -- with no intervening moderation.

      Mondoweiss might be able to integrate some of these social media features with its blog. (The standalone blog with its comments section will always be irreplaceable.)

    • Mooser,

      "Sean, You don’t know???. Gee, that sorta means we can flush nearly everything you’ve said so far. I though you had that “what is Jewish” thing all taped up and measured out?"

      Actually, what I have said several times is that the contemporary Jewish establishment has leaned heavily on Torah/Old Testament memes of sacred peoplehood, sacred nationhood and sacred territory to justify Zionist beliefs and policies. That establishment has itself framed "Jewishness" in those terms. Many prominent Jewish media outlets are supersaturated with these claims and assertions.

      But I would sincerely like to hear your thoughts on what traits constitute Jewishness -- especially when it is stripped of Judaism. You would know a great deal more about these matters than I -- someone of Christian European background -- would.

    • Comments provided as-is, without warranty of any kind and used at your own risk. ©2015

    • Annie,

      By the way, do you have a blog or social media feed in which you express the side of yourself that isn't focused on Mideast politics?

      This is my feed: link to friendfeed.com

      Some of my other interests: climate change issues, artificial intelligence, programming languages, linguistics, literature, film, music, etc.

      I wish more Mondoweiss commenters here would post pointers to their non-Mideast-politics-oriented social media feeds -- I presume (hope) that all of us have other interests -- most of what is going on in the world has nothing to do with the I/P conflict. It would also be useful for Mondoweiss commenters to expand their ability to communicate with one another multidirectionally across the entire Internet (not just within the confines of Mondoweiss). Most blogs do not provide features for enabling that kind of communication.

      For instance, Twitter, Friendfeed and Google+ offer the capability for users to communicate directly with one another in public or private messages without any centralized gatekeeper.

    • Annie,

      As I explained before, assigning traits to ethnic groups is highly problematic -- and can often lead to crude stereotyping or worse. I usually avoid it.

      But when some members of some ethnic groups insist on engaging in this activity in regard to themselves, that is interesting. One is curious about what precisely they have in mind.

      What do you think Alan Dershowitz had in mind?

      When Israeli leaders seek to define Israel officially as a Jewish state, what exactly do they mean by the term "Jewish"?

    • Mooser,

      On the "Jewishness" issue (yes, quite deliberately in quotes), I just came across this Alan Dershowitz quote:

      "God is not central to my particular brand of Jewishness."

      What do you think he meant?

    • Krauss,

      "Finally, ethnocentrism is often brought up as a great evil, and it can be. But communism was far more deadlier force in the 20th century than Nazism, by a massive margin, and communism is supposed to cover the entire world, not one race."

      What you say is true (particularly regarding the stats on 20th century mass murder).

      I think ethnocentrism -- at a certain level of intensity -- can be a positive thing -- and I rejoice in the ethnic diversity of the world and its creative abundance. But when ethnic nationalism is merged with religious messianism, you usually have the recipe for a certain catastrophe.

      There is a fine balancing act between too much ethnocentrism and too much deracination. Most Americans (including most Jews) have learned to walk that tightrope with ease and grace.

    • Annie,

      Btw, I stay on top of the global BDS movement with Google Alerts -- I have a pretty good idea of how effective it has been and how it is trending.

      If you haven't tried using Google Alerts for a wide range of topics, I highly recommend it.

    • Annie,

      I participate in the Mondoweiss comments section from time to time for the same reasons that everyone here does -- I am interested in Mideast politics, I have a point of view (like everyone else, including you), I would like to see a major change in American Mideast policy, and I value "the war of ideas" -- open and free debate and discussion about these matters. I presume that Mondoweiss commenters are free to disagree with one another (and with you) on some issues?

      Now this remark of yours was cogent and useful in helping me to understand your point of view:

      "sean, i’m not trying to recruit even *one* politician on the American national stage because i do not believe america holds the keys to palestines future. nor do i believe the lobby holds the keys. i believe in the global bds movement and the gradual growth of that movement. it’s you who have so much faith in the continued power of the lobby. as i’ve mentioned numerous times evidence suggests this growing bds movement is a considered a very big threat by these organizations you have so much faith in, because if that were not so they would not invest so much energy and money fighting it."

      I don't have "faith" in the power of the Israel lobby -- I would just like to see concrete evidence that progressive anti-Zionists are succeeding in overcoming its power in a pragmatic way. One yardstick I use is the number of US Congress members who fall on either side of the divide -- as of January 2015 the Israel lobby dominates and controls the entire US Congress and continues to push it ever farther to the right.

      Can the global BDS movement route around the undermine the power of the US government with regard to its pro-Israel policies? -- I don't know. I am trying to envision how that would work. Perhaps European nations, under the pressure of global BDS, will gradually disengage from the United States in its unqualified support for Israel (which seems to be happening now) -- and that development will push American politics towards a more Israel-critical stance. Maybe.

      But we need to see evidence that something like this is happening -- or will happen in the near future. What I see happening is the US Congress moving ever farther to the hard Likud right on American Mideast policy.

      See, for instance, this recent article in the Jerusalem Post: "Congress returns with punishing plans for Iran and the Palestinians" link to jpost.com

      Congress is gradually underming the power of the executive branch in the American government on behalf of the agenda of the Israeli government. Where is there an effective pushback from progressive anti-Zionists, liberal Zionists, American foreign policy realists or anyone else? The Israel lobby keeps rolling over the opposition -- including American presidents.

      Perhaps your argument is that American power doesn't matter with regard to determining the future of Israel -- that non-American powers and interests (including global BDS) will have the final say -- but I think it matters a great deal. The US government is capable in inflicting incredible levels of physical and financial pain on any nation that gets on the wrong side Israel.

    • Mooser,

      Do you have any predictions about the year in which progressive anti-Zionists will succeed in electing their first sympathetic politician to the US Congress? 2016? 2018? 2020? 2022? 2024? Perhaps never?

      Do you have any hard analysis on that? Strong intuitions?

      Since the emergence of liberal Zionism of the "Mideast peace process" variety two decades or so ago, the US Congress has continued to move towards the hard right on Israeli and Zionist issues -- and, as we speak, is threatening to pull the rug out from under the executive branch in the making American Mideast policy.

    • Annie,

      When you succeed in recruiting even *one* politician on the American national stage to the cause of progressive anti-Zionism, we will all stand up and take notice.

      I was once an enthusiastic supporter of liberal Zionism, during the early stages of "the Mideast peace process" -- and I was rather slow in figuring out that it was going nowhere -- and quite likely designed from the beginning to go nowhere. Shame on me for being so gullible.

      I see no reason to believe that progressive anti-Zionism will be more successful than liberal Zionism in mounting an effective challenge to the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. I am willing to be convinced otherwise -- with real-world facts. Show me the facts.

    • Mooser,

      One would have to be delusional *not* to comprehend that the Jewish establishment strongly supports Israel and Zionism. I am quite certain that Phil Weiss, Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Stephen Walt, John Mearsheimer and Gilad Atzmon would agree on this point -- along with hophmi and every other pro-Israel activist in the Mondoweiss comments section. It is what it is.

      So then the question becomes: will progressive anti-Zionists succeed in overcoming the power of that establishment? Why should we believe that this will happen?

    • Mooser,

      Are you now trying to claim that there is no such thing as a Jewish establishment and Jewish lobby -- and that it is not the most powerful component of the Israel lobby?

      The 55 organizations which represent the core of the Jewish establishment are listed here:

      Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations: Member Organizations
      link to conferenceofpresidents.org

      JTA http://jta.org covers their activities and public statements on a regular basis -- their beliefs and policies are an open book.

      By trying to downplay the power of the Jewish establishment in the Israel lobby, you are in effect running interference for the Israel lobby -- quite a few progressive anti-Zionists are playing this game -- which is as shifty as the behavior of liberal Zionists.

    • Mooser,

      So how do you envision the future of progressive anti-Zionism? Under what circumstances is the small minority of Jews who support progressive anti-Zionism likely to overcome the power of the Jewish establishment, which is lined up behind Jewish Zionists like jon s and Hophmi?

      Mondoweiss needs to move this issue to the front and center of the conversation about Israel and the Israel lobby.

    • Mooser,

      Jon s's views are in fact in harmony with the Jewish establishment and every major politician on the American stage. Which major Jewish organization or leading American politician supports the views of progressive anti-Zionists?

      You vastly exaggerate the impact of your views in the big scheme of things. Progressive anti-Zionists have had much less influence on the Israeli government, the Israel lobby and the Jewish establishment than even liberal Zionists -- who have had zero influence for decades now.

      Do you have any realistic proposals for turning around the views of the Conference of Presidents or the US Congress?

      I would love to see some reality-based discussion on the future of progressive anti-Zionism.

    • steven l,

      "antisemitism will never disappear because it provides cover to the rest of the world to show their lack of ethics and morale values."

      Are you saying that non-Jews lack ethical and moral values? Wouldn't that be a racist point of view?

      ("the rest of the world" = "the nations" -- all non-Jewish nations)

    • yonah fredman,

      "To offer alternatives to pro-Zionist ideology as a basis for American Jewish identity."

      Most Americans are now involved in an ever-evolving process of creatively constructing their identity across the boundaries of most traditional ethnic and religious categories -- which doesn't mean that they can't derive nourishment from their ancestral traditions.

      It's not an easy process -- it can often be difficult or painful -- but it can also be liberating and exhilarating. When it becomes too stressful, I suppose one always has the option of migrating back to your nation of origin, culturally speaking.

    • I think this is Phil's best personal essay yet -- it's been fascinating to watch his ideas evolve over the years. I especially like this Hannah Arendt quote:

      "I have never in my life “loved” some nation or collective — not the German, French or American nation, or the working class, or whatever else might exist. The fact is that I love only my friends and am quite incapable of any other sort of love."

      Thanks, Phil, for putting yourself out there and always keeping it real -- it's not easy.

  • Couldn't there be just one 'NYT' columnist who was critical of Israel? (No)
    • chris o,

      I used to read four or five physical newspapers a day (including the New York Times), but I haven't purchased or touched a physical newspaper for at least 15 years -- nor has anyone in my circle of acquaintances.

      Most of them get their news from the following apps:

      1. Feedly
      2. Flipboard
      3. News360
      4. Prismatic
      5. Smartnews
      6. Zite

      They are light-years ahead of traditional news publications. Most of them are AI-based. The New York Times is moving at a slow crawl.

    • Krauss,

      The journalism of the New York Times is excellent in quite a few non-political domains, but with the rise of the Internet it is possible, with just a few clicks or keystrokes, to discover superior sources on the non-political topics that it covers -- especially in technology, science, economics, sports, etc. That is why I wonder whether pre-Internet newspapers like the New York Times have any chance to survive financially -- I strongly doubt it. I've been predicting the collapse of the paper for well over a decade -- as early as the latter nineties, as I recall.

      One has also come to realize that many New York Times commenters are better educated, better informed and smarter than their paid journalists. Who in the world would pay a penny to read the columnists on their op-ed page?

    • Krauss,

      You wrote:

      "The religious right will just keep winning. It's soon 15 years ago since the left had any real power. And even then, Barak went around to settlers bragging about Labor's massive settlement increases(and rightly so, because they were huge compared to what Likud did)."

      "Circus Liberalus Zionistus will keep spinning even after the election. Nothing will really move these people until they are forced to move."

      The religious right just keeps winning not only in Israel, but in the United States as well -- witness the recent election results in which Republicans (largely dominated by Christian Zionists) acquired control over the Congress. And the religious right in both Israel and the United States are closely coordinating their activities -- in reality, they consitute a single integrated political machine.

      Liberal Zionists in the Democratic Party aren't so much spinning their wheels on these trends as complicity cooperating with and enabling them. As many observers have noted, Haim Saban-controlled Hillary Clinton is a hardcore neocon.

      As for progressive anti-Zionists: they don't have a single politician representing them in a position of meaningful influence in the American political system -- they continue to be marginalized on the far fringe.

      Added note: this religious right political machine extends beyond Israel and the United States and enjoys considerable support in Canada, Britain, France, Australia, Egypt and India.

      See: "Top 10 Non-Jews Positively Influencing the Jewish Future, 2014 | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com" link to algemeiner.com

      I fully expect this issue to heat up, especially as we enter the 2016 election season here in the US -- and no doubt Mondoweiss will be covering the unfolding story.

  • Dershowitz named in lawsuit alleging abuse of underage sex slave
    • To expand on the NSA/GCHQ point: they are probably in possession of the names of all the insiders who have been directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein for the past decade or two. They probably know the current status, locations and addresses of all those people. They are capable of monitoring, capturing and analyzing most of the private communications of those people -- phone calls, email messages, text messages, face-to-face conversations, etc. Those people are probably discussing the Epstein situation (now prominently in the news) among one another and with non-principals -- reviewing memories and divulging important details about what really happened.

      Some folks in the American and British governments know the real deal. It's possible they may leak some of that information to the public through devious channels.

      This level of activity is, of course, going on far above the level of the visible legal system.

    • Consider this: NSA probably has the ability to monitor and capture all the private conversations of all the principals in the Epstein story (including world leaders, girls, security personnel, etc.) -- it probably knows what really happened -- who did what and who was pulling the strings. (Ditto for GCHQ.)

    • MJ Rosenberg: "Dershowitz demands College of Cardinals convene to clear him. OR ELSE." link to twitter.com

    • lysias,

      If this story is bigger than a Jeffrey Epstein op -- a Mossad op -- then the covert network that has been employed to control and manipulate the situation may be larger than most people realize -- elements of which may have been unknown even to Epstein.

      The presence of this many world leaders hovering around Epstein's lure screams high-level intel/black op.

      This network may also have been used to intimidate and silence witnesses.

    • lysias,

      This is the most important story to emerge so far about the Epstein/Dershowitz controversy:

      "Lawyers representing women who were sexually abused by Epstein have complained bitterly that it became “impossible” to gather evidence from vital witnesses because so many of them had legal representation paid for by Epstein, a billionaire investment banker. " link to telegraph.co.uk

      Good catch.

      Why aren't the American mainstream media covering this story with as much investigative energy as the British media?

    • This is from Jewish Business News, a well-known antisemitic conspiracy rag (joking):

      "Does Hillary Clinton Have to Worry About Jeffrey Epstein?" link to jewishbusinessnews.com

      "Epstein often had his girls shake hands with celebrities while the girls were in the nude and had surveillance cameras in the rooms, obviously to catch these men having sex with underage girls and then to blackmail them. When Virginia asked Epstein about his friendship with Clinton, he said, “He owes me some favors.”"

    • Taxi,

      'The fact that never boasted or talked about it to any of us to my knowledge lends credibility to what she went through in my estimation,' said Kate Kirton who formed a close friendship with Ms Roberts because each of their three children went to the same school and were the same ages - eight, six and three.

      'She was probably the most open, friendly person you could care to meet.

      'There is no way she could be regarded as a fantasist or anything like that. She was the kind of person who told things as they were - very ordinary, very likeable.

      link to dailymail.co.uk

      and:

      "Until she and her husband Robert, who works on the fringe of the clothing industry, moved to Florida with their children more than a year ago, they lived in a bungalow-style home close the sea in New South Wales."

      "That house is now occupied by Honor Symes , who told Mail Online today that she considers Miss Roberts as being a 'totally believable' mother who would have no cause to make up stories."

      and:

      "There were also questions last night over the extraordinary legal deal that it is thought to have resulted in Prince Andrew – as well as other associates of Epstein – having immunity from any future prosecution."

      "According to a former Florida state attorney, the controversial deal was struck amid an astonishing and aggressive campaign by Epstein’s lawyers to defend their client against claims of depraved activities."

    • Taxi,

      Notice the photo of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts in this article -- nothing suspicious happening there, no clues in the body language.

      link to dailymail.co.uk

      Point of interest: Prince Andrew hasn't threatened, like Alan Dershowitz, to utterly crush Paul Cassell, Brad Edwards, Virginia Roberts and Jane Doe #3. No displays of moral outrage.

    • lysias,

      But check out Drudge Report as of this evening. Matt Drudge so far has failed to mention the name of Alan Dershowitz (why, one is curious to ask?), but he is now screaming the headline:

      "BUBBA AND THE PALM BEACH PEDOPHILE
      CLINTON HAD 20 PHONE NUMBERS"

      link to drudgereport.com

    • lysias,

      "Strange that the political journalists haven’t caught on to the political implications of this scandal yet. You’d think Republicans would be gleeful."

      Dershowitz, Shmuely Boteach and others have framed this controversy to suggest that anything less than full-throated support for Dershowitz is a manifestation of Israel-hating and Jew-hating -- vile antisemitism.

      Even though Republicans could use the Epstein scandal to gravely wound both Bill and Hillary Clinton, how many of them are willing to cross or be smeared by the Israel lobby?

      This is like accusing anyone who suspects there might be some truth in the accusations of Bill Cosby's alleged victims of being vicious anti-black racists. (Has anyone done that? Would they stoop that low?)

    • lysias,

      It would be difficult to believe that both Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz aren't both highly valued Mossad assets. They are passionate Zionists and very powerful on the American scene -- precisely the kind of people that Mossad finds most useful to recruit for running black ops -- including honey-traps.

    • How the American mainstream media have played this story so far: they have given maximum exposure to the denials of Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz without discussing and investigating all the relevant facts surrounding the case (especially concerning Jeffrey Epstein and his social circle). They are trying to spin the story.

      If the denials are in fact honest and truthful (and they may well be -- I certainly don't know one way or the other), you would think that vigorous investigative journalism would exonerate Andrew and Dershowitz.

      A key factor here: when Paul Cassell and Brad Edwards entered this fray, they probably didn't appreciate that they were taking on the full might of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. One can easily envision scenarios in which they are forced to back down.

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