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  • Cruz's 'unapologetic' stand for Israel plays well with VA Christians and rightwing NY Jews
    • Yes he almost make Dubya look like a sensible moderate.

    • Cruz is not Romney, who sold his soul to anyone willing to buy it(shudders).

      Oh really? How so you explain the fact he was taken to the woodshed and forced to kneel before Adelson and beg forgiveness after he made the mistake of using the forbidden term "occupied territories" during an Adelson Republican convention in Vegas?

    • He’s Canadian

      That would explain the likes of Stephen Harper.

  • Netanyahu's victory marks the end of the two-state solution
    • Only someone with arrogance like Beebs, can say one damaging thing, run with it, and later pretend he did not really say it. Despite witnesses and records, he tries to re-write history as he keeps treading on toes and elbowing his way out of it

      The last person who did that was Dick Cheney, which goes to show that this comes naturally to psychopaths.

    • Now watch all those liberal Zionists like Friedman insist that there is nothing to worry about and shift the blame back to the Palestinians.

      Next, Bibbi will run back to the right wingers and show that h had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said he supports a 2ss. He'll also point out that he did say "not on my watch".

      So he'll return to the right and say he supports a 2ss but that it won't happen while he's in off office - and they will all chuckle.

  • New York Times published piece about Netanyahu’s racism, then rewrote all of it
    • Or they wrote an update story early in the day, and then folded that story into a larger one later in the day

      In which case the story would not have changed, but been updated the way they do here on MW.

      That's so pathetic Hop, I doubt even you are swallowing your own crap.

  • Who can save Israel now?
    • States don’t have a right to self determination people do.

      Only if they are legally allowed to reside within a certain territory. Illegal aliens have no right to self determination and therefore neither do Jewish Israelis in East Jerusalem.

      Self determination is the assertion that people have the right to say they no longer wish to have one sovereign and exchange them for another.

      No it's not. That's some diatribe you just made up.

      The UN is an apologist for dictatorship.

      What a load of crap. The UN is an apologist for powerful states over weaker ones. Israel enjoys many privileges under the UN and protections. The absurdity of your argument is underlines by the fact that Israel insists on remaining a UN member as a pillar fo it's legitimacy.

      But there are other traditions that assert a right of people exist to choose their government for example

      Again I repeat, the government they chose has no legitimacy outside the borders of the state.

      That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

      ....ONLY within the LEGAL and LEGITIMATE borders of the state in question. Spin it all you want. You can polish that turd with all your might and passion but , you can't get away from the simple fact that legal borders of the territory in question. No one is questioning the right of Israeli Jews to exercise these rights within Israel. Those rights end at the border and East Jerusalem is outside that border.

      The assertion was the people of East Jerusalem have the right under self determination to choose to be governed by Israel.

      Are you seriously that dense? Do you not realize that everyone can see right though your crap?

      What do you mean the people of East Jerusalem? Most chose not to be rules by an occupying power.

    • There most certainly is a Jewish-Israeli nationality that exists today in Israel. They Israeli government classifies these people as citizenship: Israeli, nationality: Jewish.

      No, the Supreme Court rejected the existence of the Israeli nationality.

      And the court was saying the analogous situation applies to Israel. You can’t have two nationalities in Israeli law and Jews in Israel already have one.

      Wrong. Israel insists that there are. Jewish and non Jewish.

    • Thanks Walid

    • don’t often read JeffB’s comments because the are too long winded and contain too much bullshit for me to ingest, but I have to say that this statement of his is incredibly stupid and racist.

      Hats off to you Tree for bothering to respond to JeffB's demented and delusional diatribes. Like you , I find just reading his verbose excrement about as pleasant and swallowing razor blades and washing it down with a gallon of rancid molasses.

      JeffB sounds like a new generation of Richard Witty, who also used to post demented arguments, though he was even less coherent, though more economical. It's almost as if these nut jobs have been specially groomed to bore us to death and trying to grind down out intellect with their meandering and incoherent diatribes.

      It reminds me of a favorite saying - don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

    • Thanks guys,

      You are all like family to me. Even Hop and Yona for that matter.

      And happy to report Ritzl that the business is going gang busters, so all is good.

    • Thanks Just but I have never left.

      MW is the first of 2 or 3 blogs I read every day and with the quality of the articles and commentary, I feel I have little more to add. There are usually one of more comments already posted that encapsulate by sentiments by the time I read MW, that I feel it unnecessary to repeat the same argument.

      Plus I bought a business recently and I have little time these days.

      I am seriously delighted to see Hostage back. Now if only we can get Shmuel back!!

    • Bull, they have the consent and support of the governed which is the ultimate legitimate source.

      Rubbish. Israel has no more legitimacy beyond the legal borders of the state of Israel than Saddam had in Kuwait. You are simply sidestepping the basic fact that beyond those borders, Israel has no legal authority, therefore Israeli lawmakers only represented a belligerent occupying power and nothing more,

      They lack the UN’s endorsement so I get the UN doesn’t agree.

      Nor does any other country in the world, nor does the ICJ.

      That part of the problem that the UN is enemy of people to have self determination and not just with respect to Israel.

      Seriously, you sound deluded and stoned. If Israel cannot present a legal argument to prove it's legal claims to the territory outside it's legal borders, then it clearly has no legal claim other than to enforce it's control vy means of it's military. Control and occupation of EJ has nothing to do with the right of Israel to have self determination. It's not even relevant to the debate.

      If the definition of legitimacy is slavish adherence to the immorality of the UN’s anti-democratic principles then you are right.

      What is immoral about the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions? You and simply making the anti intellectual argument that not giving Israel everything it wants is immoral.

      But we’ve talked about this before and I go with older international law that rejected the authority of the Pope even under the new name of “United Nations” to determine national borders and instead holds that governments are empowered by their people.

      What are you blabbering about? Israel still has not declared it's national borders dufus which is one of the main problems.

      a) Does the government of Israel have the right to decide property disputes between its citizens.

      Within the legal borders of Israel ONLY.

      b) Must the government of Israel grant citizenship to all in a territory.

      What do you mean "a territory?" If that territory is not Israel then clearly not.

      Israel’s claim is that Jerusalem is fully Israeli and subject to Israeli law. Israel is the arbiter of who owns property in its territory.

      No. Just because Israel claims control of Jerusalem by way of it's military occupation doesn't mean it has any legal right to do so. The fact you don't question the legitimacy of Israel's
      claims shows you have no credibility on this topic.

      Obviously it can’t discriminate in how it administers justice but that’s a far different claim than that it can’t administer justice.

      That’s what YOU need to show. What legal right does Israel have?

    • I think that’s a fundamental truth about most liberal Zionists. Whatever happens, they find some way to spin it. Most of the time it boils down to some crude Orwellian tactics–facts down the memory hole and settling on a one line bumper sticker slogan in place of real history. That’s what Friedman did in his column today.

      The right wing Zionists do this too though they are less dishonest about it. The other day Rand Paul said he signed the letter to Iran, along with the other 46 senators to, get this, help Obama. I don't consider Rand Paul a Zionists but it's probably what AIPAC told him to say.

    • Already we’ve had the ”Bibi didn’t really mean it when he said there would be no PaIestinian state” even though he’s on record as saying the same thing for years

      What's amazing is that those liberal Zionists are trying to argue he didn't really mean it when he said there would be no Palestinian state, but they expect everyone to believe he meant it when he said he did support a 2ss.

    • My preference today would be for Bibi to disappear and for Gideon Saar to take over. bibi is a PR nightmare.

      Yeah Yona,

      Israel's problem is the bad PR. Other than that, Israel is peachy.

    • And if that's not bad enough, I bet the WH will play their part by arranging a new round of peace talks and then blame the Palestinians for not agreeing to come to the table.

    • Why would anybody want to save Israel now?

      As Beinart predicted, when push comes to shove and Liberal Zionists are forced to chose between democracy/human rights and Zionism/apartheid, most will go with with the latter. We will see that happen more and more.

    • How we've missed you Hostage. Please stick around. I'll be blocking the exists so you can't leave. ;-)

    • I read the NYT’s coverage in rage. Bibi’s racism was disguised as “ugly campaigning”. His racist supporters were labeled as “hardliners”. It was a total makeover, and a total washout.

      I couldn't agree more with you and Donald. When Bibbi was elected in 2009, the liberal Zionists were at first panicked, then all was forgiven when he gave his speech in favor of a 2ss. Then when Liberman rose to prominence, the same camp was in a panic, but over time, they and the right wing rehabilitated his image and he became a hard liner who could be reasoned with. Then along came Bennet and the spin was all directed at how he was such a successful entrepreneur and an elite commando.

      In fact, what frightened the Liberal Zionists the most about Bennet is that he actually proposed offering citizenship to many Palestinians.

      I am many others have said for a long time that the problem is not the right wing in Israel, it's the liberal Zionists because they have served as the worst and most dishonest enablers.

      I can only hope this marks the end of J Street.

  • Pelosi blasts Netanyahu speech as 'insult to intelligence of U.S.', Amanpour calls it 'dark, Strangelovian'
    • No amount of denial can refute the fact that the American people like Netanyahu more than ever so he must be doing something right.

      Wow, what a credible link you have there. How is it then that 61% disagree with Bibbi and rejected his speech?

    • The primary problem with the speech was that it took place, not its content.

      So does that mean you agree with it's content?

    • Could you be any more pathetic Hop?

      Amanpour has been carrying water for the lobby and Israel all her career. But only when she criticizes an Israeli prime minister is her ethnicity called into question.

      It must feel better letting out your inner David Horotwitz or Pam Gellar.

  • Rightwing rabbi seeks to pit Power against Rice on Iran ahead of AIPAC speeches
    • The sad fact is that Boteach is right about Rice. But Power is just as bad. Both women were champions of the attack on Lybia.

      Still it makes you wonder what these political hacks must think behind closed doors when having been such shameless sycophants for Israel, Israeli supporters turn on them so ruthlessly.

      Surely one day, one of these political whores (and I mean both men and women) is going to grow a backbone and bite back.

  • Leading NY institutions discuss the Nakba -- and there is not a Palestinian in sight
    • Amigo, where do you see, in the quote you provided, any mention of expulsion?

      Do explain how Israel would "abolish the partition of the country" and "expand to the whole Land of Israel" and still maintain a Jewish majority without expansion?

      Are you forgetting how in a separate speech, Ben Gurion argued against allowing refugees to return because they would become a majority and under a democracy, that would inevitably lead to an Arab leadership?

  • Liberal Zionist arguments against one state are born of moral or political weakness
    • Superb piece.

      Every argument is articulated in a way better than I myself could - especially the last point about how Zionism had led to the atrophy of intellect by it's members.

  • Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack
    • One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed.

      Sadly I doubt it. Yes someone will trip up but it will go under reported and ignored, if not covered up entirely.

      And the gutless media will play along.

  • Hanin Zoabi disqualified from Israeli elections over a mistranslation gone too far
    • I agree Eva.

      And at the risk of sounding sexist, she's also attentive and photogenic, which makes her even harder to demonize.

  • Netanyahu's disaster: speech cost 'omnipotent' lobby a veto proof majority for Iran sanctions
    • Reading the waffly Hill comments by those not attending or on the fence has convinced me that Netanyahu is going to end up with a huge win in this affair

      Not sure how you come to that conclusion. The idea was to break the veto and this has only secured it.

  • Do we really want Benjamin Netanyahu guiding U.S. foreign policy?
    • As a Brit, I am very uneasy about the ease with which Americans lob words like “treason” about

      As an Australian, I am mazed at how tone deaf Zionists are no matter where they live. The story above links to an article in Politico where a Zionist lunatic who is threatening that he will compile a list of DEmocrats who don;t attend Netanyahu 's speech and accusing Democrats of being anti American for not being pro Israel and you are worried about the word treason being lobbed?

      it is all too easy to paint anyone opposed to what the president wants as unpatriotic/disloyal/treacherous

      I8t is when they invite the leader of a foreign country to come and lobby against that president's foreign policy. This is unheard of in the history of the United States.

      But in this instance, I think the more important factor is the notion that Israel is an ally

      That notion clearly being false seeing as allies don't usually spend so much money trying to buy off politicians in order to maintain the pretense that they are friends. Israel is indeed a foreign country. Israel regards itself as foreign to the US. In fact, Israeli Jews don't even regard none Israel Jews as part of the same nation.

      It’s a delusion not seen elsewhere

      Indeed. In every other country but the US, Israel is viewed negatively and does not enjoy popular support - rather it's approval ratings sit alongside that of North Korea.

  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • Mr. Shalom is the very caricature of a self-hating Jew

      Whereas you're the very caricature of a blood thirsty, war crazed, racist supremacist Ziotroll.

      In 2005, as everyone knows, Israel gave Gaza to the Pals, lock, stock and barrel, in a move meant EXACTLY “to reverse the occupation and seek security through building ties”.

      Bullish&t. That's the discredited has bars version. Everyone with a brain and an education knows they Israel withdrew the settlers from Gaza to reinforce the occupation and continue the occupation if Gaza on the cheap. As Sharon's advisor, Dov Weisglass revealed, Sharon's plan was to "suspend the peace process in formaldehyde".

      The Hamas animals began firing rockets that same year, forcing Israel’s hand to create a blockade.

      You left out the party that Israel began shelling Gaza the day after they withdrew, firing 7,700 shells into Gaza over the following 10 months.

      Has started fail!!

  • Surprise-- 'NYT' publishes straightforward report on Israeli human rights violations in Gaza
    • I don’t need to resort to hasbara.

      Apparently you do, seeing as there is ZERO evidence that Hamas used human shields. All reporters in the ground refuted that very allegation.

      Meanwhile, there is ample evidence of the IDF using them.

      Hasbaea fail!

  • Menendez bags on Iran sanctions, and congressman says AIPAC demands deference to Israel over US
    • There is nothing wrong with an Israeli Prime Minister doing his utmost to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, even if it offends the sensibilities of the American president.

      And what does his poodle Samantha Power have to say about that?

      Funny how Power can't shut up on Twitter, but in this topic she's nowhere to be seen.

  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • Thanks for your reply, Aiman, I was never much of a fan of either the “rebels” or of the regime.

      Sure but Assad is the least worst choice if one has to chose. Even after the initial crackdown, Assad agreed to introduce reforms but by then the opposition movement had been hijacked by the usual suspects a la Lybia.

  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • I can't believe how nauseating and pathetic Richard Hass is. Listening to this shill blabbering, it's painfully obvious he cannot bring himself to state the obvious and makes the most ridiculous argument that Iran's nuclear program can be curtailed (whatever that means) without reaching a deal.

      The guy is treading on eggshells not to offend the Israeli lobby.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • Yes I agree Taxi,

      This could well turn out t be an even bigger PR disaster for BIbbi than Paris and not just for Bibbi, but the Israeli lobby too.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • This story is all over the Zionist press with no mention that Hezbollah and Iran’s involvement was disproved years ago.

      It's funny how this story keeps getting resurrected every year or so when things between Iran and the US seem to be going too smoothly.

    • Sorry but I have no sympathy for Obama over this. He could have had a deal with Iran at least 6 months ago but instead his team has stonewalled and done everything in their power to simply prolong the negotiations indefinitely and kick the can down the road.

      Every time they got close to a deal, Obama's team would shift the goal posts and introduce an irrelevant issue like Iran's missile program.

      Obama had 12 months to close the deal while he had a majority in the senate. Just like his first term when he had overwhelming popularity and control of the senate, he wasted the opportunity.

      This is typical of Obama - start something promising but at the 11th hour, lacking the backbone to finish what he started. Short of denying Bibbi permission to enter the country, or closing the deal with Iran this week, Obama has no cards left - and he has no one to blame but himself.

  • US calls ICC decision to investigate Gaza 'tragic irony'
    • We Aussies have always said that about the Yanks - with the exception of New York, thanks largely to it's Irish and Jewish influence which has been it's salvation.

    • Unfortunately the most that can happen is a pyrrhic victory… But a moral civtory nonetheless.

      Not necessarily. A ruling by the ICC will be binding on signatories to the Rome Statute, which will in turn affect their diplomatic/economic relations with Israel.

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • There are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is a Jew, just as there are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is gay.

      Very true,

      In fact, during the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, one of the floats is a Gay Jewish contingent and they are received warmly by the crowd - even in spite fo the fact they wave Israeli flags.

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • AIPAC is for most Americans far less destructive than lobbies like the Agriculture lobby or the Pharmaceutical lobby.

      It seems no statement is too absurd or counterfactual for Jeff to post here. When was the last time the Agriculture lobby or the Pharmaceutical lobby pushed the US into a war? AIPAC i not a lobby like any other major lobby. For one, it was historically in a tug of war with the US government to avoid registering as a lobby of a foreign government so that it would not have to disclose it's list of donors.

      AIPAC has it easy on most issues because Americans support Israel vs. the Palestinians by about a 50 point margin.

      You have it backwards of course. If they had it so easy, they wouldn't have to spend gazzilions of campaign dollars to keep both parties in line. In fact, it's the very sums that they spend that are invested to ensure that 50 point margin is maintained.

      After all, polls show that in no other country in the world does Israel enjoy any approval. So it is clearly the lack of US laws on restriction of campaign finance that allow AIPAC to do what it does.

      Most of the policies BDSers want to see enacted are strongly opposed by Americans.

      Based on what evidence Jeff?

      Is there anything you don't make up just to make yourself feel better?

  • On CNN, Boteach lectures two prominent Muslims about freedom they 'enjoy' in US and Israel
    • Shingo, I thought you’d be interested in this:

      Thanks Walid,

      Very interesting. The theory seems to gaining traction with a former president (or was it prime minister) saying it was a false flag.

    • Boa tech is such a self contradictory POS. surely Jews enjoy the same if not more freedom in the US that Arabs do.

      So why the need for a Jewish state?

      Yet he insists that Jews like himself are persecuted.

  • Netanyahu's Parisian follies
    • I don’t get where all these anti-Netanyahu articles about the election are going.

      You demonstrate time and time again Jeff, that there is a great deal you don't get.

      Netanyahu was severely weakened in the last elections and the indicators are they he will be even more weakened this time. He had to get on his knees to form a coalition last time and this time it looks like he's going to be as popular among the other parties who he needs to form government as he was in Paris. Bennet wants his job, so there is every likelihood that Jewish Home will turn him down. Even Lieberman's party is looking shaky.

      The election is 2-3 months aways and judging by Bibbi's falling poll numbers, there is no end in sight as to how bad things can get for him.

      Domestically, he is viewed as a failure. And now internationally, he is perceived not only as deeply unpopular but clumsy and out of his depth.

      Seriously Jeff, that video of him waiting for the bus is unbelievable and incredibly revealing. It shows how insecure, inept.ungracious, and child like this man in in the face of difficulty. He looked like an unemployed door to door salesman waiting in line for a job interview.

      Having successfully destroyed the Israeli relationship with the US , he's now turned his sights to repeating the same train wreck in Europe. But worse than that, Israelis don't tend to mind an unpopular prime minister so long as he's perceived as strong and competent. Bibbi has become an object of ridicule and embarrassment for them.

      Given how tone deaf and clueless he looks at the moment, if he was found found in bed with a dead hooker, the assumption would probably be that he did it as a cheap publicity stunt to revive his sagging approval ratings.

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • In this case, of the Paris victims, the fee was paid by the state, because of the special circumstances.

      If being buried in Israel is the wish of the family, so be it, but the special circumstances here are PR for Bibbi.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • Empty homes in Jerusalem. Big issue in the housing cost crisis.

      Extraordinary. Empty homes in Jerusalem yet an increase in homelessness.

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