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  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • Whenever anti-Zionists mindlessly repeat the nonsense of a “legitimate” Israel within any borders, they reinforce the colossal sales job done by Zionist propaganda on the collective mind of humanity.

      You're preaching to the converted echinococcus. I don't disagree with a word you said, and the injustice inflicted on the existing population by Europe and the Allied powers is immeasurable, but the notion that any of those sins can be undone today, 66 after the fact is a delusion. It's not about about the sales job, it's about the reality of today. The fact remains that Israel is a reality today and is indeed a legitimate state.

      Personally, I think Britain should be made to pay huge reparations to the Palestinians for what they unleashed. Yes, the Zionists were the ones with the agenda, but the British turned those sinister motives into a reality.

      We also have to recognize that there are Israelis who are 3rd and 4th generation and who's rights to live in Israel need to be protected. Personally I don't even have any time to entertain the 2ss solution either. As Ben Gurion himself recognized, Palestine is one homogeneous political and geographical entity that cannot be divided. The 1ss is the only practical and just solution, Jewish state be damned.

    • a conveniently loose and disingenuous definition of expansionist policies.

      It's actually you who is trying to apply the loose definition by broadening it to include more than expansion. The U.S. was bombing local populations in SE Asia against the wishes of the governments of those states, as well as overthrowing them. Iran has done none of that. ISIS and AL Nusra/Al Qaeda are Saudi and Israeli backed foreign fighters.

      Never said the f35s were a response to s300-simply stated that

      It must have been another crack pot who stated that "Israel receiving the first f-35s which will likely be tested by the IAF for US military training and which are essential to counter the s-300 family of sams Russia may eventually supply to Iran"

      It is also false to claim that the arms war in the ME is just beginning to heat up. Israel and Saudi Arabia have been the only horses in the race until now, which for Zios and neocons like yourself was simply the status quo. So when Iran decides to modestly beef up it's military, you racist supremacists hysterically cry "escalation". In your sick and twisted minds, anyone not in Israel's corner is supposed to remain militarily weak and impoverished less their attempt to defend themselves be designated an act of aggression.

      Iran has invested over a billion in naval vessels that can attack after reaching the mediterranean.

      Seeing as they don't have 6 free dolphin class subs being handed to them by the Germany for free, they don't have much choice but to pay for them. But again, by definition it's never expansionism or aggression when Israel does it right?

      It is only in your warped mind that Israeli supporters openly support IS.

      Could you be any more obvious? Do you really think no one would notice you're deliberate reference to "openly" supporting ISIS as opposed to covert support? I made no mention of openly supporting ISIS, and your blatant attempt to reference overt support reads as an admission that Israel does indeed support ISIS even if only covertly.

      If Israel turned away critically wounded on its northern frontier it would be accused of barbarism.

      ROFLA. I had to go back and read that mind numbing diatribe a second time having spat my coffee over my computer after reading it the first time. So let me get this straight. Israel just massacred 2,000 people on Gaza, 70% of whom were civilians, yet you expect anyone to believe that having slaughters hundreds of women and children they would give a crap about the PR problem of allowing Al Qaeda/suicide bombing psychos to rot?

      Not even the most left wing would consider it barbaric up allow AQ nuts jobs die.

      Thank you for demonstrating do vividly the magnitude of cognitive dissonance that infects Zios.

      That IS has not turned its attention to confronting Israel is a strictly temporary situation based on IS current focus.

      Neither has the Syrian government, yet for some reason, Israel has bombed Syrian military targets repeatedly, especially when ISIS was in the back foot.

      Nobody in Israel has any illusions about what the IS is and is not. Its just anti-Zionist propaganda.

      That only makes Israel's support of ISIS all the more macabre and sinister.

      helping severely wounded alNusra militants and their family members is not the same as openly supporting IS.

      ROFLA. It's as blatant and out in the open as it gets.

    • b)You can keep saying “If Israel wants…” till your blue in the face and it won’t change the fact that Israel will never negotiate its right to exist.

      I don;t know why you hacks continue to equate holding on to stolen land with Israel's right to exist. Israel's right to exist remains entirely within the 1967 borders.

      c) you want to believe there is merit in the debunked DNA connection to Khazzers then go ahead

      It has not been debunked at all. The fact is its the Zionists who tried to make the claim to the land about DNA when in fact it is completely irrelevant.

    • i admit that Iran has something to fear from Israel which is why it should not threaten Israel with belligerent words and/or providing missiles for proxy militias to use to point at Israel.

      Israel threatens everyone around it with it's missiles directed at every state that surrounds it. Israel threats against Iran would continue regardless of it's support for so called proxies, because Israel's fear is that Iran will threaten Israel's regional dominance.

      And-as can already be seen-the new version of the ‘old’ arms race is just getting started with Israel receiving the first f-35s which will likely be tested by the IAF for US military training and which are essential to counter the s-300 family of sams Russia may eventually supply to Iran(they don’t even have enough for their own needs yet).

      What a load of a -historic crap!!

      1. The plan to supply Israel with F35s predated any deal to supply Iran with S300s
      2. The S300s are anti aircraft missiles and strictly defensive weapons, whereas F35s are weapons of aggression. SO your argument is beyond ludicrous as it implies that Israel are being supplied with F35s because the Iranians are planing to maker it harder for Israel to attack them.

      That makes as much sense as suggesting that Hamas need more advanced missiles to thwart Iron Dome.

      What does strike me as hypocritical is the attitude towards Irans expansion into Yemen,Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Gaza

      What does strike me as hypocritical is that the only expansionist regimes in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. There has bee no Iran expansion anywhere. Iran's borders have not changed, they have not attacked nor invaded anyone. There is no Iranian presence in Yemen or Lybia. Iran are in Syria and Iraq at the behest of the governments in those states to help them fight ISIS, which you clearly have a problem with.

      Once again, Israel supporters openly support ISIS.

      So it seems that it is the right-wingers who support the strengthening of Americas enemies - ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    • Israel was never threatened by an integrated Iran in either the world economy or power structure before 1979.

      That's because they had IRan under their thumb.

      If by “reintegrated” you are referring to the new expansionist and theocratic Iran with military troops and/or equipment in the Bab alYandeb, Yemen, Syria,Gaza,Iraq, Lybia and probably a few other places then yes-there is a very good reason to be wary of a militarily aggressive state about to be loosed from financial sanctions.

      Stop the crap and the BS. There has been no expansion by Iran. There are no Iranians in Lybia or Yemen. Even US intelligence shows that Iran support fo the Houthis is grossly exaggerated.

    • I guess I should take this moment to state that Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people

      Correction, it calls itself the nation-state of the Jewish people. Many Jews reject that, including you I take it seeing as you and many of your fellow travelers refuse to live there.

      Threats of the UN and ICC will not change this status.

      They never intended to. If Israel is to be a legitimate state and wants to be regarded as such, it is obliged to adhere to international law and the dozens of UN Resolutions calling for the end of it's occupation and illegal settlements.

      The Palestinians will have to negotiate directly with Israel and can not do an end-run to achieve what they want. it simply will not work .

      No they don't have to and history has shown that there is no point negotiating directly with Israel. Netanyahu has even publicly admitted that negotiating directly with Israel is futile and pointless.

      And- the definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim and other asst. Jewish minorities is not up for negotiating either.

      True. There is no point negotiating facts. The definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim comes down to historical evidence, not fairy tales.

    • A) if the Iranian [regime] ever tried to harm its 25,000 (give or take) jews en masse-it would be on the receiving end of a full force and large scale attack by the IDF. Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated and his pretorian guards would be hit hard as well. And that would be for starters. *

      Which goes to to show how utterly absurd and incoherent your claim that Iran is planning to annihilate Israel is. If harming 25,000 Jews in Iran would being on such devastation to Iran, then surely attacking Israel and trying to kill 6 million would be immeasurably worse.

      * there have been a few times over the years when Iran regime sent ‘messages’ to Israel about the safety of its Jewish population. Charges of the mullahs using Iranian Jews as ‘chips’.

      Link to one example and please, don't bother telling us to google it.

      Trumped up massive ‘spy’ trials for businessmen and family members still in iran are threatened if their ex-pats make any political noise the regime doesn’t like.

      You mean one spy trial and no evidence of family members Iran being threatened

      As usual, you hasbratas scrape the barrel and hope the rest of us will take your drek at face value.

      And of course the joke is–any time an Iranian Jew is on the media they exclaim how terrible Zionism is because they are expected to do so. Meanwhile-half their family most likely lives in Israel

    • If you want an opinion of a Lebanese Jew ask one of the 10000s that had to flee between 48 and ’73

      There weren't 10000s in Lebanon in 1947/1948.

    • so screaming “Death to Israel” in the streets for over 30 years in gov’t sponsored rallies has nothing to do with annihilating Israel?

      No, seeing as there have been no attempts by the government to annihilate Israel.

    • The irony of course is that it is Bibbi who believes in the master race.

  • Obama got Senate to reject 'two of Netanyahu's demands' on Iran (but the 'NYT' won't touch that angle)
    • Shingo, I agree, no one who actually knew anything about Iran’s nuclear activities believed they were developing nuclear weapons, but a lot who didn’t know anything or deliberately turned facts on their head were insisting they were, as indeed some persons who command media attention do today.

      Again I disagree.

      People like John McCain, Lindsay Graham and pretty much ever Iran hawk in Washington who kept repeating that Iran was developing nuclear weapons and wanted to wipe Israel off the map, had to know that the intelligence did not support these claims. They simply stuck to the mantra because it became the consensus. To this day, Obama continues to repeat the BS that Iran has threatened to destroy Israel even though he has to know this is false. It's not that he's ignorant, it's that politically, he cannot state otherwise.

    • it’s worth remembering how much closer Israel was to dragging the US into attacking Iran in those days.

      While the political landscape was more volatile, the facts were the same then as they are now. All 17 US intelligence agencies were reporting then what they are reporting now - that Iran was not developing nukes and made no decision to even start.

      What is worth remembering is that, as Hillary Mann-Leverit revealed, even as Obama delivered his famous message to the Iranian people (March 2009), that he had already ordered his diplomatic corp to lobby for sanctions against Iran.

      As for Israel's threat, it was always bluster. Netanyahu's own military leaders refused his orders to carry out any attack.

    • As I've said before, Obama shares a significant part of the blame here. It was he who jumped on the sanctions bandwagon in 2009, no doubt because of his short sighted desire to demonstrate his tough guy credentials, and now he's hamstring by a trap of his own making.

      We seem to be forgetting that the sanctions mainly began as executive orders by him, which were later passed into law by the Democrat controlled house.

      I am a big supporter of this deal.

      Obama was young and foolish. He allowed himself to be led by the nose by the pro Israeli advisors.

  • Obama's long & passionate Monday with Saban, Foxman, Hoenlein and other Jewish leaders demonstrates power of Israel lobby
    • you can spout “nonsense” all you want about apaic but if you bother to read about which lobbies are the most powerful and spend the most money to influence U congress you will find apaic is far down the list from insurance, big-Pharma , NRA, big-oil, big-Lawyers, etc.

      You wanna bet? Sheldon Adelson said he would spend 100 million alone to get his man elected. What lobby comes close to that?

      If you want to know which lobby gets the most press coverage-mostly negative, then it is probably a tie between big-oil and apaic .

      Big oil? Since when it big oil even mentioned?

    • steve, but there’s nothing “all american” about aipac, now is there.

      One could argue there is Annie - the very worst parts of America, where everything can be bought for a price - including the world's most expensive rent-a-crowd (Congress).

    • Iran is a big bad actor that already received a commitment from the Russians to get its S-300 air defense missile system.

      A bad actors as opposed to whom? Saudi Arabia? Israel? And what is the issue you have with Iran having air defence systems other than the fact they might thwart an Israeli attack?

      It is not a friendly game.

      Friendly with whom and in what game? The anti ISIS game or the pro ISIS game like Israel and Saudi Arabia are?

      Israel is a US ally and should be a part of the conversation even if a deal would have been easier without them.

      Not unless Israel signs the NPT otherwise, it has no business being involved. Israel don't want to be part of any conversation that doesn't involve bombing Iran.

      For it to be the right deal it has to work and I believe that S 615 as massaged by Senators Corker/Cardin should create a bi-partisan solution that helps the President in the long run by giving him and Secretary Kerry some Congressional cover vis-a-vis negotiation of the final written version of the P5+1 agreement on nuclear limitations with Iran.

      Cut the crap. The GOP controlled Senate want only one thing - to destroy the deal. The only deal they will consider the right deal is the one the Iranians cannot accept.

    • Philip Weiss levels the charge — twice — that the rich powerful Jewish Zionists are behind an alteration of the president’s calendar

      Yeah right Neil,

      I am sure this was just a coincidental pow wow with people who happen to rich powerful Jewish Zionists .

      What other reason would he have to meet with Jewish leaders?

      Nowhere in the article is any evidence provided that an alteration of the president’s calendar took place.

      So how often does he meet with these people?

    • They view Netanyahu as someone who stands up and protects his country unlike our current president.

      I think Steve means that Obama isn't standing up for Israel as much as Netantayahu. Steve you apparently missed the memo that Netanyahu's greatest fear is not that Iran would pose a threat to Israel but that it would stick to any final agreement and NOT threaten Israel.

      So it seems that Netanyahu as someone who stands up with Israel's enemies against his country.

    • And it makes me wonder. I wonder why this happened very close to Hilary Clinton announcing.

      Why don't you wonder why this happened so close up the Corker Bill being voted in the Congress?

  • Does Schumer have any idea how angry his constituents will be if he torpedoes his president on Iran?
    • Thank you Steve Grover, for bring an unabashed fanatic and demonstrating to us how desperate and insane you pro Israeli, war addicted, apartheid loving nut but jobs are.

  • The epic season of spinning Iran deal begins!
    • Taxi,

      You could be right about the time it will take for the Saudis to be toppled. I have no idea. There were many that did not see Mubarak's overthrow until it happened.

      As for America's intelligence, it's ascendancy to superpower was engineered by some brilliant but ruthless minds, but the US empire of today ain't the one it used to be. It's become the ageing rock star who has fried their brain on all the drugs they did during it's prime. It continues to trash hotel rooms, demands the best seat in the restaurant or allowed entry into the coolest clubs, while those around them shakes their head in disgust and pity.

      It still playing it's old tunes, but the talent, and originality are all gone and that terminal heart attack/drug overdose is just around the corner.

    • Things are great here in Oz Taxi,

      I'd say the Iran deal tells us quite the opposite about the US. The isolation and sanctions against Iran were never about nukes, which all intelligence agencies knew were no issue. They were always a tactic for regime change, to keep Iran weak and unstable. This has failed and even more disastrous is that the ISIS Frankenstein monster that the US and Saudi Arabia created to weaken Hezbollah and Iran has backfired catastrophically. Not only has ISIS come back to bite the West, but Iran and Hezbollah have gained ever more status and strength by taking them on.

      I think your thesis about the US agenda to weaken Saudi Arabia sounds too clever by half. The Americans have never been good at chess, let along thinking that many moves ahead.

      But like I said, the outcome may well turn out as you predicted. The House fo Saud is clear vulnerable and perhaps it just needs a slight nudge to topple it. One can only hope.

    • Interesting article Taxi,

      My problem with your thesis is that you give far too much credit to the thinking behind US foreign policy.

      From what I can see, US foreign policy is now simply about sewing chaos since it has lost all control of the region. As has been pointed out everywhere but the main stream media, when Yanukovych was chased by a mob from his office in Ukraine, by leaving the country, the US government claimed he lost legitimacy. In Yemen, on the other hand, when president Hadi was chased by a mob from his office he retained his legitimacy and Saudi airstrikes were approved and coordinated by the US to put him back in office. Even more absurd is the claim that Saudi Arabia is trying to restore "democracy" in Yemen.

      That's not to say your predicted outcome won't eventuate. I might very well come to fruition, and I would be thrilled to see it.

    • The Iranians should have demanded that Amano step down from the IAEA. He is a corrupt and discredited hack who has been exposed as being a poodle of Washington and an ideological bias against Iran.

  • How Obama won on Iran
    • What do you not understand about “in fact, the safest remedy for that is for them to dismantle it meaning Isreal dismantling it's nukes? After all, Iran has no nukes to dismantle.

      You didn't make the logical fill in the blank, you reached for the cheap ad hominem as you always do.

    • but it is precisely this opinion of yours which disqualifies you as someone who has the interest of keeping a nuke away from Iran. You favor Iran having a nuke (for your given reason)

      Seeing as we're throwing ad hominems and straw men around Yonah, I am going to assume you love killing women and children because you support Israel. Do you agree?

      Annie never said she supported Iran having a nuke, and you know that, but why let facts get in the way fo your bile?

    • Iran will not get the ‘N’, but will languish on the leash of sanctions like the No. Koreans & Cubans.

      No, Iran is far more important politically and economically than North Korea and Cuba. Iran have proven to the world they are rational and sensible actors through these negotiations. The grip the US has on international trade is slipping. China and Russia will begin trading with Iran regardless of what Congress has to say.

    • 2. Sadly I think it will break down eventually and Iran will get a nuke – I think that is their aim. Hope I’m wrong -

      Yes you are wrong. Iran have had 3 decades to obtain a nuke. If they wanted one, they would have one by now.

    • They know alot more about it than either you or I.

      But less than all 17 US intelligence agnecies that have reported every year since 2007 that Iran is not producing nukes.

      Do you think the UN agency the IAEA are a bunch warmongers and certified liars?

      Maybe not all of them, but Yukia Amano, who was exposed by a Wikileaks cable as a Washington stooge, certainly appears to be.

      I don’t think you give the leaders of Iran much credit. Israel has a bomb, the US does. Do you think the leaders of Iran are strategically stupid.

      You seem to think so. As the leaders have said, with the hundreds of nukes the US and Israel have, what good is one or 2 nukes to Iran?

      Many well meaning experts have reasonable suspicions.

      What do you mean many? The only expert the bomb Iran crowd keep pulling out of the rectum is David Albright who is no expert

  • Cruz's 'unapologetic' stand for Israel plays well with VA Christians and rightwing NY Jews
    • Yes he almost make Dubya look like a sensible moderate.

    • Cruz is not Romney, who sold his soul to anyone willing to buy it(shudders).

      Oh really? How so you explain the fact he was taken to the woodshed and forced to kneel before Adelson and beg forgiveness after he made the mistake of using the forbidden term "occupied territories" during an Adelson Republican convention in Vegas?

    • He’s Canadian

      That would explain the likes of Stephen Harper.

  • Netanyahu's victory marks the end of the two-state solution
    • Only someone with arrogance like Beebs, can say one damaging thing, run with it, and later pretend he did not really say it. Despite witnesses and records, he tries to re-write history as he keeps treading on toes and elbowing his way out of it

      The last person who did that was Dick Cheney, which goes to show that this comes naturally to psychopaths.

    • Now watch all those liberal Zionists like Friedman insist that there is nothing to worry about and shift the blame back to the Palestinians.

      Next, Bibbi will run back to the right wingers and show that h had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said he supports a 2ss. He'll also point out that he did say "not on my watch".

      So he'll return to the right and say he supports a 2ss but that it won't happen while he's in off office - and they will all chuckle.

  • New York Times published piece about Netanyahu’s racism, then rewrote all of it
    • Or they wrote an update story early in the day, and then folded that story into a larger one later in the day

      In which case the story would not have changed, but been updated the way they do here on MW.

      That's so pathetic Hop, I doubt even you are swallowing your own crap.

  • Who can save Israel now?
    • States don’t have a right to self determination people do.

      Only if they are legally allowed to reside within a certain territory. Illegal aliens have no right to self determination and therefore neither do Jewish Israelis in East Jerusalem.

      Self determination is the assertion that people have the right to say they no longer wish to have one sovereign and exchange them for another.

      No it's not. That's some diatribe you just made up.

      The UN is an apologist for dictatorship.

      What a load of crap. The UN is an apologist for powerful states over weaker ones. Israel enjoys many privileges under the UN and protections. The absurdity of your argument is underlines by the fact that Israel insists on remaining a UN member as a pillar fo it's legitimacy.

      But there are other traditions that assert a right of people exist to choose their government for example

      Again I repeat, the government they chose has no legitimacy outside the borders of the state.

      That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

      ....ONLY within the LEGAL and LEGITIMATE borders of the state in question. Spin it all you want. You can polish that turd with all your might and passion but , you can't get away from the simple fact that legal borders of the territory in question. No one is questioning the right of Israeli Jews to exercise these rights within Israel. Those rights end at the border and East Jerusalem is outside that border.

      The assertion was the people of East Jerusalem have the right under self determination to choose to be governed by Israel.

      Are you seriously that dense? Do you not realize that everyone can see right though your crap?

      What do you mean the people of East Jerusalem? Most chose not to be rules by an occupying power.

    • There most certainly is a Jewish-Israeli nationality that exists today in Israel. They Israeli government classifies these people as citizenship: Israeli, nationality: Jewish.

      No, the Supreme Court rejected the existence of the Israeli nationality.

      And the court was saying the analogous situation applies to Israel. You can’t have two nationalities in Israeli law and Jews in Israel already have one.

      Wrong. Israel insists that there are. Jewish and non Jewish.

    • Thanks Walid

    • don’t often read JeffB’s comments because the are too long winded and contain too much bullshit for me to ingest, but I have to say that this statement of his is incredibly stupid and racist.

      Hats off to you Tree for bothering to respond to JeffB's demented and delusional diatribes. Like you , I find just reading his verbose excrement about as pleasant and swallowing razor blades and washing it down with a gallon of rancid molasses.

      JeffB sounds like a new generation of Richard Witty, who also used to post demented arguments, though he was even less coherent, though more economical. It's almost as if these nut jobs have been specially groomed to bore us to death and trying to grind down out intellect with their meandering and incoherent diatribes.

      It reminds me of a favorite saying - don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

    • Thanks guys,

      You are all like family to me. Even Hop and Yona for that matter.

      And happy to report Ritzl that the business is going gang busters, so all is good.

    • Thanks Just but I have never left.

      MW is the first of 2 or 3 blogs I read every day and with the quality of the articles and commentary, I feel I have little more to add. There are usually one of more comments already posted that encapsulate by sentiments by the time I read MW, that I feel it unnecessary to repeat the same argument.

      Plus I bought a business recently and I have little time these days.

      I am seriously delighted to see Hostage back. Now if only we can get Shmuel back!!

    • Bull, they have the consent and support of the governed which is the ultimate legitimate source.

      Rubbish. Israel has no more legitimacy beyond the legal borders of the state of Israel than Saddam had in Kuwait. You are simply sidestepping the basic fact that beyond those borders, Israel has no legal authority, therefore Israeli lawmakers only represented a belligerent occupying power and nothing more,

      They lack the UN’s endorsement so I get the UN doesn’t agree.

      Nor does any other country in the world, nor does the ICJ.

      That part of the problem that the UN is enemy of people to have self determination and not just with respect to Israel.

      Seriously, you sound deluded and stoned. If Israel cannot present a legal argument to prove it's legal claims to the territory outside it's legal borders, then it clearly has no legal claim other than to enforce it's control vy means of it's military. Control and occupation of EJ has nothing to do with the right of Israel to have self determination. It's not even relevant to the debate.

      If the definition of legitimacy is slavish adherence to the immorality of the UN’s anti-democratic principles then you are right.

      What is immoral about the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions? You and simply making the anti intellectual argument that not giving Israel everything it wants is immoral.

      But we’ve talked about this before and I go with older international law that rejected the authority of the Pope even under the new name of “United Nations” to determine national borders and instead holds that governments are empowered by their people.

      What are you blabbering about? Israel still has not declared it's national borders dufus which is one of the main problems.

      a) Does the government of Israel have the right to decide property disputes between its citizens.

      Within the legal borders of Israel ONLY.

      b) Must the government of Israel grant citizenship to all in a territory.

      What do you mean "a territory?" If that territory is not Israel then clearly not.

      Israel’s claim is that Jerusalem is fully Israeli and subject to Israeli law. Israel is the arbiter of who owns property in its territory.

      No. Just because Israel claims control of Jerusalem by way of it's military occupation doesn't mean it has any legal right to do so. The fact you don't question the legitimacy of Israel's
      claims shows you have no credibility on this topic.

      Obviously it can’t discriminate in how it administers justice but that’s a far different claim than that it can’t administer justice.

      That’s what YOU need to show. What legal right does Israel have?

    • I think that’s a fundamental truth about most liberal Zionists. Whatever happens, they find some way to spin it. Most of the time it boils down to some crude Orwellian tactics–facts down the memory hole and settling on a one line bumper sticker slogan in place of real history. That’s what Friedman did in his column today.

      The right wing Zionists do this too though they are less dishonest about it. The other day Rand Paul said he signed the letter to Iran, along with the other 46 senators to, get this, help Obama. I don't consider Rand Paul a Zionists but it's probably what AIPAC told him to say.

    • Already we’ve had the ”Bibi didn’t really mean it when he said there would be no PaIestinian state” even though he’s on record as saying the same thing for years

      What's amazing is that those liberal Zionists are trying to argue he didn't really mean it when he said there would be no Palestinian state, but they expect everyone to believe he meant it when he said he did support a 2ss.

    • My preference today would be for Bibi to disappear and for Gideon Saar to take over. bibi is a PR nightmare.

      Yeah Yona,

      Israel's problem is the bad PR. Other than that, Israel is peachy.

    • And if that's not bad enough, I bet the WH will play their part by arranging a new round of peace talks and then blame the Palestinians for not agreeing to come to the table.

    • Why would anybody want to save Israel now?

      As Beinart predicted, when push comes to shove and Liberal Zionists are forced to chose between democracy/human rights and Zionism/apartheid, most will go with with the latter. We will see that happen more and more.

    • How we've missed you Hostage. Please stick around. I'll be blocking the exists so you can't leave. ;-)

    • I read the NYT’s coverage in rage. Bibi’s racism was disguised as “ugly campaigning”. His racist supporters were labeled as “hardliners”. It was a total makeover, and a total washout.

      I couldn't agree more with you and Donald. When Bibbi was elected in 2009, the liberal Zionists were at first panicked, then all was forgiven when he gave his speech in favor of a 2ss. Then when Liberman rose to prominence, the same camp was in a panic, but over time, they and the right wing rehabilitated his image and he became a hard liner who could be reasoned with. Then along came Bennet and the spin was all directed at how he was such a successful entrepreneur and an elite commando.

      In fact, what frightened the Liberal Zionists the most about Bennet is that he actually proposed offering citizenship to many Palestinians.

      I am many others have said for a long time that the problem is not the right wing in Israel, it's the liberal Zionists because they have served as the worst and most dishonest enablers.

      I can only hope this marks the end of J Street.

  • Pelosi blasts Netanyahu speech as 'insult to intelligence of U.S.', Amanpour calls it 'dark, Strangelovian'
    • No amount of denial can refute the fact that the American people like Netanyahu more than ever so he must be doing something right.

      Wow, what a credible link you have there. How is it then that 61% disagree with Bibbi and rejected his speech?

    • The primary problem with the speech was that it took place, not its content.

      So does that mean you agree with it's content?

    • Could you be any more pathetic Hop?

      Amanpour has been carrying water for the lobby and Israel all her career. But only when she criticizes an Israeli prime minister is her ethnicity called into question.

      It must feel better letting out your inner David Horotwitz or Pam Gellar.

  • Rightwing rabbi seeks to pit Power against Rice on Iran ahead of AIPAC speeches
    • The sad fact is that Boteach is right about Rice. But Power is just as bad. Both women were champions of the attack on Lybia.

      Still it makes you wonder what these political hacks must think behind closed doors when having been such shameless sycophants for Israel, Israeli supporters turn on them so ruthlessly.

      Surely one day, one of these political whores (and I mean both men and women) is going to grow a backbone and bite back.

  • Leading NY institutions discuss the Nakba -- and there is not a Palestinian in sight
    • Amigo, where do you see, in the quote you provided, any mention of expulsion?

      Do explain how Israel would "abolish the partition of the country" and "expand to the whole Land of Israel" and still maintain a Jewish majority without expansion?

      Are you forgetting how in a separate speech, Ben Gurion argued against allowing refugees to return because they would become a majority and under a democracy, that would inevitably lead to an Arab leadership?

  • Liberal Zionist arguments against one state are born of moral or political weakness
    • Superb piece.

      Every argument is articulated in a way better than I myself could - especially the last point about how Zionism had led to the atrophy of intellect by it's members.

  • Netanyahu calls on Jews to leave Europe en masse in wake of Copenhagen synagogue attack
    • One of these days, someone will trip-up and the entire shenanigans will be exposed.

      Sadly I doubt it. Yes someone will trip up but it will go under reported and ignored, if not covered up entirely.

      And the gutless media will play along.

  • Hanin Zoabi disqualified from Israeli elections over a mistranslation gone too far
    • I agree Eva.

      And at the risk of sounding sexist, she's also attentive and photogenic, which makes her even harder to demonize.

  • Netanyahu's disaster: speech cost 'omnipotent' lobby a veto proof majority for Iran sanctions
    • Reading the waffly Hill comments by those not attending or on the fence has convinced me that Netanyahu is going to end up with a huge win in this affair

      Not sure how you come to that conclusion. The idea was to break the veto and this has only secured it.

  • Do we really want Benjamin Netanyahu guiding U.S. foreign policy?
    • As a Brit, I am very uneasy about the ease with which Americans lob words like “treason” about

      As an Australian, I am mazed at how tone deaf Zionists are no matter where they live. The story above links to an article in Politico where a Zionist lunatic who is threatening that he will compile a list of DEmocrats who don;t attend Netanyahu 's speech and accusing Democrats of being anti American for not being pro Israel and you are worried about the word treason being lobbed?

      it is all too easy to paint anyone opposed to what the president wants as unpatriotic/disloyal/treacherous

      I8t is when they invite the leader of a foreign country to come and lobby against that president's foreign policy. This is unheard of in the history of the United States.

      But in this instance, I think the more important factor is the notion that Israel is an ally

      That notion clearly being false seeing as allies don't usually spend so much money trying to buy off politicians in order to maintain the pretense that they are friends. Israel is indeed a foreign country. Israel regards itself as foreign to the US. In fact, Israeli Jews don't even regard none Israel Jews as part of the same nation.

      It’s a delusion not seen elsewhere

      Indeed. In every other country but the US, Israel is viewed negatively and does not enjoy popular support - rather it's approval ratings sit alongside that of North Korea.

  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • Mr. Shalom is the very caricature of a self-hating Jew

      Whereas you're the very caricature of a blood thirsty, war crazed, racist supremacist Ziotroll.

      In 2005, as everyone knows, Israel gave Gaza to the Pals, lock, stock and barrel, in a move meant EXACTLY “to reverse the occupation and seek security through building ties”.

      Bullish&t. That's the discredited has bars version. Everyone with a brain and an education knows they Israel withdrew the settlers from Gaza to reinforce the occupation and continue the occupation if Gaza on the cheap. As Sharon's advisor, Dov Weisglass revealed, Sharon's plan was to "suspend the peace process in formaldehyde".

      The Hamas animals began firing rockets that same year, forcing Israel’s hand to create a blockade.

      You left out the party that Israel began shelling Gaza the day after they withdrew, firing 7,700 shells into Gaza over the following 10 months.

      Has started fail!!

  • Surprise-- 'NYT' publishes straightforward report on Israeli human rights violations in Gaza
    • I don’t need to resort to hasbara.

      Apparently you do, seeing as there is ZERO evidence that Hamas used human shields. All reporters in the ground refuted that very allegation.

      Meanwhile, there is ample evidence of the IDF using them.

      Hasbaea fail!

  • Menendez bags on Iran sanctions, and congressman says AIPAC demands deference to Israel over US
    • There is nothing wrong with an Israeli Prime Minister doing his utmost to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, even if it offends the sensibilities of the American president.

      And what does his poodle Samantha Power have to say about that?

      Funny how Power can't shut up on Twitter, but in this topic she's nowhere to be seen.

  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • Thanks for your reply, Aiman, I was never much of a fan of either the “rebels” or of the regime.

      Sure but Assad is the least worst choice if one has to chose. Even after the initial crackdown, Assad agreed to introduce reforms but by then the opposition movement had been hijacked by the usual suspects a la Lybia.

  • Netanyahu speech could turn Israel lobby into a political football
    • I can't believe how nauseating and pathetic Richard Hass is. Listening to this shill blabbering, it's painfully obvious he cannot bring himself to state the obvious and makes the most ridiculous argument that Iran's nuclear program can be curtailed (whatever that means) without reaching a deal.

      The guy is treading on eggshells not to offend the Israeli lobby.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • Yes I agree Taxi,

      This could well turn out t be an even bigger PR disaster for BIbbi than Paris and not just for Bibbi, but the Israeli lobby too.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • This story is all over the Zionist press with no mention that Hezbollah and Iran’s involvement was disproved years ago.

      It's funny how this story keeps getting resurrected every year or so when things between Iran and the US seem to be going too smoothly.

    • Sorry but I have no sympathy for Obama over this. He could have had a deal with Iran at least 6 months ago but instead his team has stonewalled and done everything in their power to simply prolong the negotiations indefinitely and kick the can down the road.

      Every time they got close to a deal, Obama's team would shift the goal posts and introduce an irrelevant issue like Iran's missile program.

      Obama had 12 months to close the deal while he had a majority in the senate. Just like his first term when he had overwhelming popularity and control of the senate, he wasted the opportunity.

      This is typical of Obama - start something promising but at the 11th hour, lacking the backbone to finish what he started. Short of denying Bibbi permission to enter the country, or closing the deal with Iran this week, Obama has no cards left - and he has no one to blame but himself.

  • US calls ICC decision to investigate Gaza 'tragic irony'
    • We Aussies have always said that about the Yanks - with the exception of New York, thanks largely to it's Irish and Jewish influence which has been it's salvation.

    • Unfortunately the most that can happen is a pyrrhic victory… But a moral civtory nonetheless.

      Not necessarily. A ruling by the ICC will be binding on signatories to the Rome Statute, which will in turn affect their diplomatic/economic relations with Israel.

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • There are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is a Jew, just as there are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is gay.

      Very true,

      In fact, during the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, one of the floats is a Gay Jewish contingent and they are received warmly by the crowd - even in spite fo the fact they wave Israeli flags.

  • The legacy of Joan Peters and 'From Time Immemorial'
    • I certainly don’t claim to be a mathematical genius, but even a cursory look at the difference between 590,390 Muslims in 1922 and 759,717 in 1931 would indicate that far more than 3% had to have been born out of Palestine to reach these numbers, if only because of the very high level of infant mortality.

      Clearly you are no genius of any kind. How does your assumption about infant mortality negate the argument that only 3% were born outside Palestine?

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • AIPAC is for most Americans far less destructive than lobbies like the Agriculture lobby or the Pharmaceutical lobby.

      It seems no statement is too absurd or counterfactual for Jeff to post here. When was the last time the Agriculture lobby or the Pharmaceutical lobby pushed the US into a war? AIPAC i not a lobby like any other major lobby. For one, it was historically in a tug of war with the US government to avoid registering as a lobby of a foreign government so that it would not have to disclose it's list of donors.

      AIPAC has it easy on most issues because Americans support Israel vs. the Palestinians by about a 50 point margin.

      You have it backwards of course. If they had it so easy, they wouldn't have to spend gazzilions of campaign dollars to keep both parties in line. In fact, it's the very sums that they spend that are invested to ensure that 50 point margin is maintained.

      After all, polls show that in no other country in the world does Israel enjoy any approval. So it is clearly the lack of US laws on restriction of campaign finance that allow AIPAC to do what it does.

      Most of the policies BDSers want to see enacted are strongly opposed by Americans.

      Based on what evidence Jeff?

      Is there anything you don't make up just to make yourself feel better?

  • On CNN, Boteach lectures two prominent Muslims about freedom they 'enjoy' in US and Israel
    • Shingo, I thought you’d be interested in this:

      Thanks Walid,

      Very interesting. The theory seems to gaining traction with a former president (or was it prime minister) saying it was a false flag.

    • Boa tech is such a self contradictory POS. surely Jews enjoy the same if not more freedom in the US that Arabs do.

      So why the need for a Jewish state?

      Yet he insists that Jews like himself are persecuted.

  • Netanyahu's Parisian follies
    • I don’t get where all these anti-Netanyahu articles about the election are going.

      You demonstrate time and time again Jeff, that there is a great deal you don't get.

      Netanyahu was severely weakened in the last elections and the indicators are they he will be even more weakened this time. He had to get on his knees to form a coalition last time and this time it looks like he's going to be as popular among the other parties who he needs to form government as he was in Paris. Bennet wants his job, so there is every likelihood that Jewish Home will turn him down. Even Lieberman's party is looking shaky.

      The election is 2-3 months aways and judging by Bibbi's falling poll numbers, there is no end in sight as to how bad things can get for him.

      Domestically, he is viewed as a failure. And now internationally, he is perceived not only as deeply unpopular but clumsy and out of his depth.

      Seriously Jeff, that video of him waiting for the bus is unbelievable and incredibly revealing. It shows how insecure, inept.ungracious, and child like this man in in the face of difficulty. He looked like an unemployed door to door salesman waiting in line for a job interview.

      Having successfully destroyed the Israeli relationship with the US , he's now turned his sights to repeating the same train wreck in Europe. But worse than that, Israelis don't tend to mind an unpopular prime minister so long as he's perceived as strong and competent. Bibbi has become an object of ridicule and embarrassment for them.

      Given how tone deaf and clueless he looks at the moment, if he was found found in bed with a dead hooker, the assumption would probably be that he did it as a cheap publicity stunt to revive his sagging approval ratings.

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • In this case, of the Paris victims, the fee was paid by the state, because of the special circumstances.

      If being buried in Israel is the wish of the family, so be it, but the special circumstances here are PR for Bibbi.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • Empty homes in Jerusalem. Big issue in the housing cost crisis.

      Extraordinary. Empty homes in Jerusalem yet an increase in homelessness.

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