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  • Come in, Natalie, the water's fine
    • The significance of this cannot be overstated.

      Portman is royalty if movie circles and the reaction is reflected by the fact that there have been a dozen articles in The Forward on Portman alone.

  • Pelosi and 9 Dems had 'excellent meeting' with Netanyahu even as Israel sent 'dozens of snipers' to Gaza
    • Except that wasn’t their sovereign country- it was British Palestinian Protectorate with Star of David on its flag and currency.

      No star of David was on the flag

    • The borders of each state are set via state claims and mutual agreements with the neighboring states

      Jordan handed sovereignty of the West Bank to the PLO in 1988. That is why all 15 justices at the ICJ rejected Israel's claim to any part of it in 2004

    • Who were the ministers of the Palestine government?

      1778: The first U.S. treaty with an American Indian tribe is ratified
      The Continental Congress, a governing body formed during the American Revolution, made up of delegates from 13 states, makes a treaty with the Lenape (Delaware). It is the first treaty between the newly formed United States and an American Indian tribe.
      “One of the most significant acts by those colonies was the decision to negotiate an agreement with militarily powerful Indian tribes, either to gain the tribes’ alliance or, at least to ensure the tribes’ neutrality in the imminent revolutionary war. That act set the stage for dealing with the tribes through formal government-to-government agreements such as treaties.

      Care to name the ministers of the Lenaoe government? Who was the prime minister, who was the foreign minister? What was the flag, the anthem, the currency? Who was Chief of Staff, police chief?

      Take your time.

    • However there is no dispute about the border lines, it is about the control over them and whether Gaza is still occupied.

      And control of air land and sea, as well as no go zones in Gaza which take up 20% of the territory make the territory occupied.

      Hope that helps

    • And that made Palestinian residents of Gaza very upset and they have decided to march into Israel while demanding new housing and rebuilding of the infrastructure?

      Who marched into Israel? How were the people who were shot while praying marching into Israel? Or the people running away from the border with a truck tyre marching into Israel? OR the guy waling along on his own (nowhere near he border) who was also shot?

      No wonder you are so confused.

    • Except that wasn’t their sovereign country- it was British Palestinian Protectorate with Star of David on its flag and currency.

      Rubbish. It was the state of Palestine and they Palestinians owned the vast majority of the land. It was never British owned. The British were simply given the authority to administer it

      Need I remind you that Pierre Orts, chairman of Mandate Commission of the League Of Nations, said that under the mandate, Article 7, obliged Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed Palestinians formed a nation, & that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship."Palestinian".

      And who gives a shit what appeared on the currency?The Mandate did not give one inch of territory to Jews, which is why they had to purchase land.

      The rule of law was British, the police were British and the army was British

      Wrong. The rule of law was established by the government of Palestine.

    • Ibrahim Gambari, Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, told the Security Council on August 24, 2005:[78]

      The comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, "Lords of the Land", by Idith Zertal and Akiva Eldar says this:

      "After Israel withdrew it's forces from Gaza, in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released for even a single day from Israel's military grip, or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day. Israel left behind scotched earth, devastated services, and people with neither a present or a future. The Jewish settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass it's inhabitants, by means of it's formidable military might."

      So much for maturity

    • Gaza borderline and the barrier are within the internationally recognized borders of Israel.

      So is the Green Line between Israel and the West Bankz. Intake it you believe Jews moving to illegal settlements therefore deserve to be shot?

    • Not hard when those are shot in the back walking nowhere near the fence it shot while praying. That's just blatant murder.

      BTW. Should the Palestinians have shot Jewish refugees coming off the boats during the 40s? You know, to defend their country's borders bring breaches from invaders?

  • Killing Palestinian protesters turns into a PR debacle for Israel
    • All those who have called upon the Palestinians to peacefully protest against their oppressors (instead of firing rockets) are now aware of just how futile and deadly their call was and is. Every avenue the Palestinians have tried has been met with deadly force.

      It looks like the Hasbarats are going to have to retire the talking point about how there would be peace if the Palestinians laid down their weapons. It should be replaced with how much easier it will be to kill Palestinians

    • I guess the Palestinians should have opened fire on the European Jews as they were coming off the boats in Palestine to invade their country. Missed opportunities. Maybe they can start picking off settlers in the west bank – better to let the settlers gather in large groups before they fire at them – the Zionists have shown us all how much more efficient that is.

      Priceless comment that highlights the hypocrisy of Israeli apologists. Can anyone imagine anything more unjust and vulgar than expelling Palestinians from their home, stealing their land then turning around and branding them as foreign invaders returning to threaten the sovereign Jewish state?

  • 'We will not wait 70 years more': scenes from Gaza's March of Return
  • Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
    • You neglected to point out that Egypt has been doing exactly the same to keep the terrorists in Gaza from running amok.

      You neglected to point out that every time Egypt has looked to open the border with Gaza and ease restrictions, there has been a jihafists attack from unknown groups which manage to sabotage the deal.

      You neglected to point out that the only interests who have stood to benefit have been Israem

    • From what Abbas has been saying this is all about challenging Israel’s very existence, not about settlements and all the other periphersl issues.

      It’s mind boggling listening to Israeli apologists wine about the PLO or Abbas not tripping over themselves to prove they recognise Israel’s existence. It’s in black and white for everyone to see from the letters the PLO exchanged with the Rabin government in 1993. The hypocrisy is further underlines by the fact that Israel and the US openly reject the recognition of Palestine as a state, even as 138 states do.

  • 'NY Times' covers up Israel's killing of nonviolent protesters along the Gaza border
    • The short term solution of course is for Hamas to admit failure and hand over the territory to the Palestinian authority.

      How is that a solution? The lives f those in the West Bank are no better

    • I am not talking at all about obligations but rather that the most rational course for the Palestinians is to sign an agreement giving up some of these demands of theirs.

      But your argument is fundamentally flawed. The Palestinians have already signed such agreements an nothing has come of t. The PLO did not concede any territory to the state of Israel *until* 1993, when their formal recognition of the state of Israel meant a de facto (though not de jure) acknowledgement of Israeli sovereignty of all territory up to (but not beyond) the Green Line. Even before the state of Israel was declared the territorial extent of that state was precisely defined, and that definition can be found in the Partition Plan of 1947.
      Which meant that any territory that was seized *by* the state of Israel between May 1948 and March 1949 was "extra-territorial", and that means "occupied".Which meant that all the territory between the Partition Lines and the Green Line was - in the phrase that all zionists will instantly recognize - a "disputed territory", and it remained that way until 1993.
      You might claim that everyone accepted Israel's claim to all the territory seized by the Haganah in 1948-49 but that is siply untrue; that universal acceptance did not come until the 1993 Exchange of Letters between the PLO and Israel, which marked the moment when the PLO ended that "dispute" by conceding that "territory" to Israel.
      So what did the Palestinians get in return? Nothing.

    • Finally, the Palestinians simply can accept a state in Gaza on about 90 percent of the West Bank, excluding the major settlements and the Jordan valley.

      By all means, feel free to post a link which supports the claim that the current Isrsaeli government is agreeable to these terms.

    • Israel has a de facto border with the Hamas-led portion of the Palestinian Authority, which governs the Gaza Strip. It’s a quasi-state entity that is de jure and de facto in a state of war with Israel.

      Israel also has a defacto border with the West Bank, but you conveniently ignore that. By your logic, all those settlers in the West Bank that are killed or stabbed are legitimate targets since they were invaders.

      The citizens under its authority have been instigated to mass at the border with Israel , a sovereign state, and threaten to tear down the border fence between Israel and the territory governed by Hamas, which Israel has relinquished control over since 2005.

      What part of the no man’s land, air space or waters of the coast have Israel relinquished control over?

      Hamas itself has declared that Gaza is not occupied. I wonder why the UN wasn’t paying attention.

      I wonder why you have suddenly decided that what Hamas has to say is legitimate? Do you also agree with the position of Hamas that Israel is illegitimate?

      And are you seriously pretending that the UN somehow has moral or legal standing in this matter or any other matter? Because, you know, it doesn’t.

      I guess it didn’t have any moral or legal standing when they recognized Israel either right?

      ”any of its citizens who approach the border with Israel and ignore orders to stop are assumed to have hostile intent. ”

      But I thought you said Israel withdrew from Gaza and no longer occupied it. What. legal authority or does Israel have to issue any orders inside Gaza? And doesn’t it follow that Israeli citizen who cross into the West Bank and ignore the authority of the PA become legitimate targets?

      The terror gang known as Hamas,which governs a portion of the Palestinian Authority (PA) in a quasi-state entity in Gaza, views all Israelis, whether they are military personnel based in the disputed territories or within territories governed by the State of Israel from 1949-1967, or civilians living in the disputed territories of the West Bank or in territories governed by the State of Israel in its 1949-1967, as legitimate targets at all times and in all places.

      In which case, this is surely your position too seeing as you earlier cited the opinion of Hamas as authoritative? Of course, there are no disputed territories. No one regards them as disputed but some factions of the Israeli government.

      entered into an internationally binding agreement with Israel that leaves the presence of Israeli civilians in the disputed area as an unresolved matter to be left for final status negotiations.

      What makes that agreement binding? It’s not even recognised under international law and what’s more, it was set to expire after 5 years. The expired Oslo Accords are, and were, irrelevant. Articles 7 and 8 of the 4th Geneva Convention prohibit an Occupying Power from concluding any special agreement with the inhabitants that renounces in part or in entirety the rights secured to them under the convention. In the case of Palestine that includes the grave breach associated with the extensive Israeli misappropriation of natural resources, not justified by any military necessity. Onerous agreements, like the Oslo Accords or long term concessions granted under duress to western cartels during the colonial era, have long since been declared null and void.

    • This “demonstration” is more about throngs of people attempting to storm a border fence of a country that is not theirs while chanting violent slogans

      Most of those Gazans are refugees who were illegally expelled from their homes by Israel in 1948 and who still own title to that land. Israel accepted UNGA194, which required Israel to allow those refugees to return to their homes, as a condition of it’s membership to the UN.

      Not to mention the fact Israel has imposed a no go zone on the Gaza side of that “fence” that extends hundreds of meters into Gaza and renders it uninhabitable. This and the siege on Gaza is illegal and a war crime. Even if one where tho take your false claims at face value, the Israeli dearth squads, which are amassed on the Israeli side of that fence have no moral or legal right to fire on anyone in Gaza unless they cross into Israel.

    • It overlooks — blinds the reader to — the purpose of the exercise: to establish the “right of return” via mass theatre and plenty of martyrdom.

      Isn’t that exactly how the Jewish state was established? By flooding Palestine with Jewish immigrants and refugees (who had never even been to Palestine) and mass martyrdom by suck sacrifices and blowing us the Patria in Haifa Harbor, killing over 200 Holocaust survivors? The whole purpose being to dissuade the British from sending Jewish refugees to Camps in Mauritius.

      I suppose form this perspective, the loss of 220 lives amounted to an Israel victory and a sad sacrifice of Palestinian lives.

  • Amazon pulls blank 'History of Palestinian People' -- which aims to dehumanize in order to subjugate
    • Herzl proposed that the language for the Jewish state should be German. I take it that implies Jews were really German. After all, language defines a people right?

  • Intersectional feminism: Wonder Woman, Palestinians, Wakanda and Zionism
    • Israel started every war since 2008. Every time it has been Israel violating the ceasefire. Israel scan has cute term for this routine bombing of Gaza - mowing the lawn am- a euphemism for ensuring the uppity Gazans neve get to enjoy a normal life

    • Or maybe they are doing it is small enough steps to maintain the facade they want peace. Israel in entirely dependent on foreign support and it risks this if it is seen as being as criminal and sadistic as it truly is

    • Yes Gaza is under siege and the bockafe is illegal and an act of war.

  • Jews made America great so 'we deserve our influence' on Israel policy, Dershowitz tells Scarsdale synagogue
  • New York rabbi links Jewish Voice for Peace to Osama bin Laden and Assad
  • Video: 'Apartheid has been here for ages. It doesn't really bother us' -- Israeli comedian says in closing act
  • Rabbi Sacks endorses religious crimes in video against BDS
    • Mind boggling how they keep repeating this crap.

      One has to wonder who the target audience is and who they think they can fool with these lies and obfuscations?

      I love how on one hand, he claims BDS will delay a peaceful settlement, but brings up the trope that the Palestinians turned down offers of a state in 1947, 1948, 1967 etc when there was no BDS.

      And his insistence that BDS will fail is clearly an act of desperation to convince himself and others.

  • Obama fostered spread of nuclear weapons because of his naivete, says head of Council on Foreign Relations
    • It amazes me how even so called foreign policy experts are so ignorant of the Iran deal. Where does it say that Iran has the right to produce nukes once the deal has expired? The JCOPA was a deal that imposed conditions over and above the terms fo the NPT. Iran will not be released from it's obligations under the NPT unless Iran decides to withdraw from the NPT.

  • Dennis Ross's advice to Trump is 'bullshit, delusional or lying,' to gut two-state concept -- Peace Now
    • My God this guy is delusional. Everything is about coddling Israel, letting them keep all their stolen land and putting all the pressure and setting conditions on the Palestinians and the Europeans.

  • Democratic politicians want no part of Obama's courage at the U.N.
    • And so continues the match towards irrelevance by the leadership if the out of touch democratic party

  • Terrorism: How the Israeli state was won
    • Thanks you for this extraordinary article. I have had to ready it a number of times just to get my head around this explosive content.

      If this is based on declassified data, it boggles the mind what the still classified sources would reveal.

      I thought I had heard it all and that nothing could surprise me about the evils of Zionism but this has even shocked me.

  • Scenes from a neoconservative meltdown
  • Trump and Clinton blast UNESCO statement on Jerusalem
  • Syrian death tolls and the kinder gentler jihadists
    • Hamas used human shields and “allegedly” … “stored weapons, dug tunnels or whatever” .. its not ‘whatever’. its been conformed by dozens of reports , th UN and even ngo’s not particularly friendly to israel

      Wrong. Those allegations were resoundingly refuted in those reports.

    • when it was considered as a movement supporting terrorism by even learned scholars.

      Which scholars? And how can a non violent movement calling for human right be support for terrorism?

  • Pro-Israel groups close in on anti-BDS victory in California legislature
    • Utterly lame and stupid. How does square with US government policies that impose sanctions?

      But the bottom line is this. One can boycott Israel simply by refusing to do budiness with Israel associated businesses. One does not gave to declare this as official policy. No legislation can force anyone to buy Israeli products

  • A new milestone: BDS at the Olympics
    • I must admit I found this sad. As much as I support BDS and hate Israel's policies, it is so unfortunate that it comes down to this where human beings cannot be gracious and civil to one another.

      Of course, I would like to ask that Egyptian if he was dumb enough to participate in the overthrow of Morsi and return Egypt to a Saudi/US puppet dictatorship.

  • Netanyahu's Academy-award performance of dehumanization is why the conflict persists
    • What I find extraordinary about this video is that the IDF guy who was humane enough to hold out a hand to the boy, yet would likely it hesitate to shoot this boy or torture him were he tithe is a rock or help demolish his house and throw him out on the streets.

      Zionist thugs are masters of compartmentalizing their minds

    • Netenyhau is like some Mike Meyers Parody of a doctor evil. He's like a really bad B grade actor who hams it up, but keeps getting the leading roles because of he's rich uncle.

      He's in such a protected bubble that he's never confronted by anyone who is willing to call him
      on his bullshit. I have read accounts of how he's been involved in screaming matches with US diplomats behind doors, but he's clearly mastered the ability to switch off or dissociate himself from regality and has no shame.

      What a vile and decrepit piece of shit

  • Anti-occupation activists stand with Black Lives Matter as Jewish orgs attack movement over Israel criticisms
    • I wonder what these hypocritical pro Israeli groups have to say to BLM about the fact that Israel buddied up to apartheid South Africa while the rest of the world was boycotting it?

  • Video: Israeli soldier throws 8-year old Palestinian girl's bike into bushes
  • Sam Harris and the politics of 'good intentions'
    • Good article.

      Harris's justifications are so banal and juvenile. Based on his argument about intentions being based on statements given, Assad is just fighting terrorists, El Sisi is just protecting democracy, Stalin was benevolent leader a even Hitler would have been on the right side of history.

  • Using Rep. Johnson's innocent comment to stain his reputation was the real crime
    • Shingo, As I recall, Begin’s quote did not refer to Palestinians, but to terrorists, specifically those who murder children.

      And Johnson was only referring to settlers, but the Israeli Forster crowd and twisting his statement to insist he is maligning ALL Jews.

    • What a bunch of hypocrites! Where was Greenblat's and Podhoretz's outrage when Begin referred to Palesribians as beast walking on two legs and insects?

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  • Meet Ali Kurnaz, young Democratic leader who lifted Palestinian flag on convention floor
    • Voices like Kurnaz’s are on growing and will become the majority and old and crusty Israeli supporters pass away

  • In latest pander to Israel lobby, Clinton smears Max Blumenthal's criticism of Wiesel as 'hateful'
    • I am more inclined to base Jewish rights on historical and legal facts.

      Rubbish. There are no "Jewish rights" based on "historical and legal facts".

  • Flanked by AIPAC and Israeli consul, Cuomo signs anti-BDS order
    • And you are losing that war.

      The good thing is that the harder and dirtier you fight, the more swiftly you will face defeat. As Kerry and. Other political leaders have admitted, there is nothing the US government an do to stop BDS.

  • Trump's America is fascist, says Bret Stephens, but Netanyahu's Israel smells like a rose
    • So let me get this straight.

      If senior military figure speaks out against anti democratic and fascist policies and practices, that represents s threat to democracy. And when those political leaders advocating such policies prevail over those military leaders, that is democracy at work.

      A perfect example of the intellectual contortions Israeli apologist shave to resort to.

  • Jeffrey Goldberg terrorizes peers into silence over his daily intellectual and moral outrages
    • Well, if you're worried about weight, may I suggest cycling? I've lost 11 kg in the last year.

      But to be honest, I was tempted to say you were worth your weight goldberg.

    • Me too Philip,

      If we have to, let's start a funding drive to pay for his contributions. He's worth his weight in gold.

    • It's not hyperbole Yakov,

      I have been reading this blog for many years now and your article is one of the most outstanding take downs I have read anywhere. Not since Gleen Greenwald have I read such incisive and powerful rebuttals.

      I only hope the Goldberg reads it. And I also hope your writings become a regular occurrence here.

  • Forty Brazilian diplomats issue statement against Dani Dayan appointment
    • I wouldn’t bet on this. Who exactly is “propping” us up?

      Oh I dunno, how about the US? Why would AIPAC spend so much time, money and effort lobbying Congress if Israel didn't need to the US to prop them up?

      The neo-commies in Brussels that care more about a conservatory-extension in Gilo then the cultural suicide by Merkel by inviting hordes of Muslim invaders? -

      That's odd. I thought you Zios argued the Palestinians were being inhumane and unreasonable for welcoming hordes of Jewish immigrants and refugees from Europe into Palestine. Are you now suggesting that the Mandate for a Jewish National Home was a recipe for cultural murder of the Palestinians?

  • Novel featuring Palestinian-Jewish romance threatens 'Jewish identity,' Israeli gov't rules
  • Israel and its lobby lose the Iran Deal all over again, in news of damning wiretaps
    • Um Israel tried o sabotage US policy on Iran.

      Israel is helping ISIS and Al Nusra.

      How is that being a friend to the US?

  • Israeli settlers at a wedding party cheer burning of Palestinian baby
    • @talknic, an example for you and unsurprising to note that your example from Abbas dates back to 2011.

      Fell free to provide a link, before or after 2011, of Abbas praising violence.

      The Palestinian cause is not edified by their repeated violence

      Nor is Israel's. The difference being that the Palestinians are being occupied and having their land stolen, so they have a legal right to resist.

      (going back to the 1920 Nebi Musa riots) which means Israel has no choice but to adopt its steadfast position

      There was no Israel in 1920. The riots were in opposition to British occupation, which the Jews also did when they commited terrorist attacks against the British.

      Israel could always end it's own occupation.

    • Yep… a handful of Jewish crazies celebrate the death of innocent civilians and it’s covered in the mainstream Jewish news because their celebration is disgusting.

      They are not a handful. Every year thousands of white shirts gather in Jerusalem and Chant "death to Arabs".

      Soccer fans routinely chant the same thing.

      During the Gaza war last year, hundreds cheered in the streets over the deaths of children in Palestine.

      This is the ugly mainstream underbelly of Israel.

  • Congress seeks to undermine Iran deal by linking Iran with ISIS
    • What We Left Behind

      An increasingly authoritarian leader, a return of sectarian violence, and a nation worried for its future

      Ummm he was put in power by the US and removed by them from power.

      and there was a serious case for and against

      There wasn't serious case for it, which is why it was entirely based on lies.

      it’s just a Trotskyite fantasy that America’s intent was to inflame and destroy according to some nefarious plot cooked up by the Israel Lobby.

      It was the Trotskyites aka neocons and Israeli firsters, who dreamed the whole thing up and pushed for it.

      They should be tried for war crimes. That is what government accountability would look like.

      America worked hard, and spent big in blood and treasure (and domestic popularity, and international standing) trying to provide Iraq with some semblance of workable governing institutions.

      Iraq already had these institutions you racist pig. Iraq was one of the most progressive, educated and secular states in the Arab world until the US destroyed those institutions.

      The Iranians backed the same government as the US. There is zero evidence Iranian provided weapons or fighters. The jihadi suicidists cane from the US and Israeli ally, Saudi Arabia.

      Wars destroy countries. The don't build them.

      Does anyone serious take you seriously?

    • That story is also weak, but at least provides a bit of context. Which Weiss elides.

      How is the story weak? What context do you require?

    • By selective quotation and absence of context, this is a highly misleading account of what Adelson said.

      So you admit the quote is legitimate, but then resort to the usual has bars tactic when confronted with an inconvenient quote from a Zionust lunatic by arguing that no context is given.

      So what context are we missing troll?

  • Roger Cohen and Jeremy Ben-Ami go on the road for the two-state solution
    • If Israel is a successful multi ethnic state then so was apartheid South Africa

    • That is to say, Palestinians can give up what belongs to them, and Israelis can give up some of what they have stolen.

      This is what Cohen describes as both sides making painful concessions

  • Israel should give back the Golan
    • The rebels did not have access to a chemical arsenal.

      That's not hard evidence that's a talking point. There is plenty fo evidence the rebels were provided CW's by Turkey. In fact, the Turks stopped vehicles on their way to Syria carrying CWs.

      Furthermore, the UN has reported that the rebels/Daesh have indeed used CWs.

      Only the Syrian army had access to a chemical arsenal; no other group inside Syria.

      False. See above.

      Only the Syrian army had the capability and logistics to carry out chemical attacks.

      False. See above.#

      Chemical attacks were only targeted rebel areas.

      They were fired FROM rebel held areas.

      The attacks only benefited the regime and decimated the rebels significantly, especially in the capital.

      Absolutely rubbish. The regime was on top and had no reason to resort to CWs. The attacks only benefited the opposition by bringing the West in to bomb Syria.

      All chemical attacks were launched from governmental areas, in particular the regime stronghold of Jabal Qasiyun (Damascus).

      False. Weapons exports revealed that the rockets used to carry them only had a range fo 2 miles, meaning they could only have been fired from rebel held areas.

      There is a sectarian civil war against a tyranny. And who’s to blame?

      How about the West, who going back to 2006, had plans to overthrow the Assad regime. As former French minister of Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas revealed, the war in Syria was "prepared, preconceived and planned" by some Western top officials at least "two years before the violence" erupted in 2011.

      You want to call that hatred and prejudice? And why is Israel giving aid and medical care to ISIS?

      Assad’s regime is not legitimate. It’s a dictatorship and it was not voted by the people. Only democratic regimes chosen by the people are legitimate.

      Oh really? So the same goes for Saudi Arabia (Israel's new best friend) and all the other Gulf Monarchies?

  • 'Why I am a Zionist'
    • It gives me hope that there is some flexibility here and soon enough we will have hundreds of thousands of Jews ascending and praying, and maybe even some house of prayer up there! -

      Why hundreds of thousands? It's clear that you don't give a crap about prayer and are another messianic nut job who wants to invade and occupy the place and build the 3rd temple.

    • Give him time Talknic,

      Max has to go buy a copy of Howard Grief's book, read it (or read what someone who has read it has to say about it) and try and pick out his talking points.

      In fact, he probably has to look up what Du Jure means.

      I doubt this troll has ever had anyone call him on his BS.

    • Jan Schakowsky, who is my Congresswoman, might come to you for grammar lessons after she loses her seat in Congress in 2016 for not attending P.M. Netanyau’s speech before Congress and voting for that moronic nuclear deal with Iran.

      Clearly Steve Grover is an anti Semite who is pushing the theory that Jewish money is going to remove her for her lack of fealty to Israel.

    • is your assertion that the belligerent occupation of Judea and Samaria by Jordan was somehow legal?

      Yep. It was neither belligerent nor was it illegal. If it were illegal, then UNSC228, which condemned Israel's bombing of the territory of Jordan of Hebron , would never have been voted 14-0.

      The Land was already in trusteeship and Du Jure sovereignty for the Jews of Palestine since the San Remo international agreements.

      Rubbish. The land was in trusteeship to the the state fo Palestine. Not one inch of land was given to the Jews

      The term you used, “historical connection”, was concocted to downplay the fact that the Zionists lack any legal standing to assert a claim to the territory of Palestine during the Post-WWI peace conferences at Versailles and San Remo. The Principle Allied Powers decided there were no bases for a legal entitlement, so Lord Balfour suggested that some polite words about the “historical connection” of the Jewish people be added to the Mandate instead. The travaux préparatoires of the British Foreign Office Committee that was tasked with drafting the Mandate reveal that the Allies did not consider the historical connection as a basis for any Jewish claim:

      “It was agreed that they had no claim, whatever might be done for them on sentimental grounds; further that all that was necessary was to make room for Zionists in Palestine, not that they should turn “it”, that is the whole country, into their home.
      – See PRO FO 371/5245, cited in Doreen Ingrams, Palestine Papers 1917-1922: Seeds of Conflict, George Brazziler, 1972, pages 99-100

      This is the first time I have heard this international law argument.

      Then you clearly have a lot of reading to do. Educate yourself before coming to this forum with your juvenile cliches about topics you have no clue about.

      Until then, you have no hope in hell fo destroying anything line by line.

      Please expand on it so I can internalize it, take notes, and destroy it line by line. There have been numerous threads created on this, so don't waste out time with your trolling.

    • What I got from all that is Zionists are self centered and self obsessed thus breeding an air of self entitlement

      This is most obvious when these so called liberals insist Iran should not be "allowed" to have nukes, while justifying Israel having them.

      Everyone else's security is secondary to Israel's.

    • There is nothing in that quote they points to MLK being Zuonist. He does not advocate Jewush privilege or a Jewish state, much less expulsion of Arabs and land theft to create such an outcome.

      Zionism is racism and inequality. and MLK fought against racism and inequality.

      Given that the quote attributed to Francis took place n a private meeting, it's accuracy is dubious. I would agree that attacks on Jews is anti Semitic and I am no Zionist.

      Hasbara fail!

    • This accusation of dual-loyalty is immoral and anti-Semitic. […]

      The only one bringing up dual loyalty is you. And even if it had been brought up, it's neither immoral nor anti-Semitic. IN fact, there is nothing inherently wrong with dual loyalty.

      Remember, Jews are indigenous to the Land of Israel.

      Correction: SOME Jews are indigenous to Palestine. There is no such thing as the "Land of Israel".

      In fact, the majority fo Jews in Palestine at the time of the Mandate were opposed to a Jewish state.

      In fact there are new resolutions that will be submitted to the United Nations so that Jews will be recognized as indigenous to Judea and Samaria.

      Bullshit. This would be antithetical to the UN Charter.

      Jews have the right to live, build and settle anywhere in Ramallah, Hebron, Gaza, Tel Aviv.

      Not without the permission of the PA they don't. Ramallah, Hebron, Gaza are not in Israel.

      This is a fundamental human right and it is morally wrong to attempt to deny this right for Jews in their ancestral homeland or to prevent Jews from praying at Al Aqsa / Temple mount en masse.

      Wrong. Those ancestral homelands do not belong to Jews. The fact those places have a historical significance to Jews does not mean they have any right to one inch of the land in those regions outside fo Israel's borders.

      I do agree that it is stupid to deny Jews the right to pray at the Temple mount. Then again, Palestinians from the occupied territories have the right to return to their homes in Israel. This is a fundamental human right and it is morally wrong to attempt to deny their return.

    • These arguments are insane.

      Zionism and occupation are inseparable. It would be like arguing that pedophelia is fine, it's just the sexual abuse of minors that's the problem.

      Herzl called for spiriting the penniless populations away, so clearly there was no belief is equality and human rights.

      And thus argument that Israel just has a few bugs to iron out because it's a young state doesn't wash either. The US didn't have an example to follow, no UN charter, no statute of Rome.

      Israel doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. The formula for a true democracy and human rights is clearly spelled out. All Israel has to do is adhere to those guidelines. It simply refuses to.

    • Neither were Zionists.

      MLK led the civil rights movement. If such a movement were to be held in Israel, it would've crushed by the state.

  • Hamas calls for intifada, takes aim at Palestinian Authority
    • Correction: the entire world dislikes Islamists

      Correction: More people like Islamists than they like Israel. The Islamists don't have to bribe rent-a-crowds like Congress for starters.

    • Cut the crap Ivri,

      It's always a dead giveaway when you bots give up debating the facts and try to turn the subject into irrational hatred of Israel.

      The fact is you are the haters and all you are doing us projecting.

  • 'Replace' the mosques? Once again, 'NYT' soft-pedals Israeli extremism
    • The only reason that the mosque stands there is because the Temple did at one point.

      Actually, there is no evidence hat a temple did stand at that point. Please cite one of the the professional, internationally respected archeologists who has published conclusive evidence of an ancient Jewish Temple under the Haram al-Sharif.

  • Israeli defense minister says government knows who was behind Duma attack, but won't prosecute
    • I'm sure they any minute now, Hop will comment about his disgust at the Israeli government for covering up this act of terrorism.

  • 'NYT' misrepresents Iran's prediction about 'Zionist regime' to mean 'Israel'
    • There have been periods of times and milieus when the word Zionism was used to persecute Jews totally unrelated to Jewish nationalist movement centering on Palestine in the Middle East.

      Maybe but so what? The pursuit of democracy and human rights is often used to bomb countries. Every time Israel gets criticized for bombing Gaza, it argues that it is in the only democracy in the ME< as though that is supposed to give legitimacy to mass murder, land theft and ethnic cleansing.

      The fact is that Zionism is a racist supremacist ideology and as such, nothing but human suffering and injustice can come of it

    • Coming from one of the most stupid commenters to contribute to Mondoweiss, that is a compliment.

    • Anti Zionist = anti Semitic. So sayeth none other than the Rev Martin Luther King Jr. -

      In a speech that was never made.

    • Ironically, that democratic movement that will overthrow the mullahs, larjanis, IRG and the hated basij and morality police is very likely to have little( or at least a lot less) ill will towards Israel and resume normal relations as they existed before the tyrannical mullah regime stole power

      Really? So do you believe a new regime in Iran would be pro Zionists, pro apartheid, pro mass murder, pro ethnic cleansing, pro occupation, pro human rights abuses?

      The idea that such a regime would succeed the Mullahs is indeed ironic.

    • Why would they want a nation like Israel who they depend on for many of their technologies, medical advancements, water and solar management and others for the betterment of their lives destroyed and replaced with whatever group-Hamas, PA, PLO, ISIL, PLPF would be voted into power?

      What makes you think they "depend" on their technologies:? After all, most of the so called technologies are stolen from the US anyway.

    • comparing the relatively few Israelis who are caught on camera screaming ‘death to Arabs’ to the massive gatherings that have been continuous since the 90s and often required by the morality police and the hated basij is a pretty good joke.

      What about the many thousands not caught Dabakr?

    • There is no difference between saying you want the “Zionist regime” not to exist and saying you don’t want Israel to exist.

      That's like saying you want apartheid not to exist means that you want South Africa to no longer exist.

    • there is nothing in US law that states the congress can not modify or pass further laws which will apply to Iran should Iran deserve further sanctions.

      In other words, they are trying to sabotage the deal and will do whatever it takes to undermine it, even if Iran stick to the letter of the deal. As soon as the deal was announced, Israeli puppets began insisting that the deal should include the usual crap relating to terrorism and Iran behavior in the region, even though it had nothing to do with any of it.

      Top 10 foreign governments paying for influence in the US in 2013

      Lame. Sheldon Adelson alone poured $80 million into the last US presidential election.

    • Stop being such a cry baby Dabakr.

      Israel and the US have been calling and pushing for regime change in Tehran for decades and they have done so openly.

      Yet when tables are turned, you are outraged. Typical Zionist hypocrisy.

  • AIPAC is going out with a whimper not a bang
    • Congress can add a whole array of toughened amendments to the deal (which cannot be vetoed because they are essentially compatible with it), which would create a new ballgame.

      Think again. Congress can't to squat without the cooperation if the other P5+1 members. Congress has no authority to amend the dealing iota.

      Isn`t it peculiar that the ability of a President to garner the support of a third of Congress is hailed as a victory?

      Not when you consider that until now, AIPAC was able to consistently garner 99% of votes and couldn't muster 66% this time.

      All Republican candidates said they will cancel it.

      They can say what they like. Without the UNSC they won't be able to.

      The deal has nothing to do with Iran support for Assad and Hezbollah. Those who insist otherwise are perpetuating a myth.

      my guess is that many here will want to swallow their words now in the not too distant future.

      My guess is that you are wishing rather than guessing

    • Wow, that hissy fit reminds me of a speech Netanyahu gave in the U.S. A few years ago to a Jewish audience where a group of young Jews interrupted Bibbi with their own demonstration and some of the other audience members threw a similar hissy fit, including one Orthodox Jee trying to hear the signs with his teeth.

      Does anyone remember that? I can't remember the details enough to look up the video.

      The guy in this video looks too old to be Clawson IMO.

  • Debacle for the Israel lobby: Booker jilts Boteach, and Netanyahu sinks AIPAC
    • He may be intelligent, but he is not compassionate

      Would you care to enlighten us as to evidence of his intelligence? All I have ever read from him is shop warn and simplistic and banal talking points.

  • 'Turning point' -- Obama defeats Netanyahu and 'destroyers of hope' on Iran Deal!
    • Iran will get the bomb eventually.

      Unlikely. While they have the means they have rightly pointed out that there is no point having one given that the U.S. and Israel have thousands.

  • Meet the teenage girls behind the viral photo from Nabi Saleh
    • They look whiter than most Israelis. A lot whiter, really

      Probably because they don't have access to any beaches where they can lounge around and work in their tans.

      Certainly upends the “evil white colonizer” versus “poor brown victim” paradigm

      It also upends the paradigm that they are just Arabs.

  • You'd think Wasserman Schultz would lose DNC job for bucking Obama on Iran Deal
    • (1) The average Joe Jew doesn’t read

      Irrelevant. They still support the deal

      2) If the average Jew read mondoweiss they would immediately donate a ton of money to JNF and Stand With Us.

      That would mean at least most of MWs Jewish readers would befobatibgmoney to those groups. I doubt even you or Hophmi donate to them.

      3) Although you think young American Jews don’t love Israel you are wrong. Ever go to a Chicago Israel Solidarity event?

      There are bound to be a few flat earth era in the Jewish community who haven't woken up yet. They will.

      (4) I will bet Jan Schakowsky loses her seat for going against the deal

      Hope so.

  • Videos: Brave Tamimi women of Nabi Saleh take down Israeli soldier assaulting injured child
    • Thanks ABC.

      The bots clearly have no idea how these comments say more about them and their ideology than they do Palestinians.

      They love their motorized goal posts. The fact the event was photographed and video taped means it was stages. If there had been no one taking pictures, they would have denied it happened.

    • I fail to see how the video can be spun as a hoax. Are they suggesting the IDF thug was not really and Israeli?

    • It's always a good idea to wait until you a sober before posting a comment Ivri, unless you want to continue to be regarded as an infantile half wit

    • Yes, it's interesting how vulnerable these cowards suddenly become when they are unmasked. I don't know how these women or onlooker refrained from grabbing a rock and smashing his face with it.

  • God is on Israel's side, but not the United States, says Israel's new U.N. ambassador
    • . If LBJ had committed the US to running the blockade of the Straits of Tiran that war could have been avoided

      Yeah right. That would explain the attack on the USS Liberty.

  • In latest thrust at Obama, Netanyahu names UN ambassador who trashed him and said Palestinians can have 'Facebook state'
    • She would have had both Obama and Emanuel crying for their mommies.

      Oh please. Glick sounds like she's perennially on the verge of a mental breakdown every time she's challenged with the most passive of arguments.

      Glick is a lunatic who looks tough because she makes sure to make appearances in very friendly echo chambers and a handful of soft targets. Put her on stage alongside Max Blumenthal and she would turn into Linda Blair from the Exorcist and have to be carried off stage in a straight jacket into a waiting van.

      She's a one trick pony who obsesses about Christians holding a grudge against the Jews for killing Jesus.

  • Shocker: 'NYT' runs front page press release for AIPAC warning Obama to cool his jets
  • It's time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped
    • Double Standards believes the wife of an abusive husband who is sexually violating the children, is obliged to stay in the relationship and keep her mouth shut.

  • 'If we don't take out Iran,' it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel -- Steven Emerson to Times Square rally
    • it’s not much of an argument to say that the American people don’t share his view.

      We'll remind you if that the next time you Hasvarats cute polls showing Anerican support for Israel.

  • Not everyone is allowed to have a 'Good Life in Germany'
    • Merkel said half the hard truth.

      The bit she left out is that if that girl was Jewish, Germany would have offered her permanent residency.

  • Angela Merkel makes a 14-year old Palestinian girl cry by telling her she is not welcome in Germany
    • Merkel: now if you were Jewish, then we would be rolling out the red carpet, big you are not worthy.

  • Israel detains and deports American Jews because they are Black
  • Time for a Jewish reformation?
    • An outstanding and concise essay.

      It's amazing how Jews like this writer and Judt are so erudite and devastating in their arguments against Zionism.

  • Michael Oren misrepresents 1971 synagogue bombing that changed his life
    • Great response Kris.

      Grover is a pathetic bottom feeder.

    • And most Americans fall for it.

      Americans who by and large don't even own a passport.

    • Oren’s trauma was real and is real and is evident in his belief system. “Trauma is never invented.”

      That's debatable. Trauma can be passed on or through indoctrination. This was vividly illustrated in the documentary, "Defamation", in which a group of Israeli Jewish girls (who'd never set foot outside Israel), were so indoctrinated to believe that the world outside of Israel is wall to wall anti Semites that when they came across a couple of old men in Poland who said something innocuous to them in Polish, they were convinced the men had called them Jewish pigs.

    • Yes Giles,

      Given the volume of lies and distortions from Oren, I am beginning to doubt the veracity of any of Oren's accounts during his youth.

      Growing up, all I recall was that being Jewish was no different to being catholic or prodestant. They were all religions and nothing more. I suspect that is true of many youths who are bullies and who are too young to even understand what Jew hatred means.

      I was bullied and picked on when we moved to Australia because I was a foreigner with a dark complection and because I was a small skinny kid who was an easy target in a rough neighborhood populated largely by Anglo Saxon immigrants.

      I barely remember those experiences because I got over it and because my parents helped me understand that there are good and bad people out there. That's not to say that anti Semitic was not alive and well, but I suspect that when you are brought up to believe that everything bad that happens to you is because you are Jewish, I can distort your perception about the world.

      I wonder if Oren also believes the trope that anti Semitism is passed on by mothers milk.

  • Iran's kumbaya video: let's cut the deal and turn to 'existential battle' against extremists
    • A great speech by Zariff. He makes the Americans and Israelis look like rank and deranged amateurs.

  • In effort to thwart BDS, some Israel supporters urge partial settlement freeze
  • In Gaza, the ultimate humiliation
    • Off topic

      I just listened your interview with Scott Horton Annie. It's so lovely to hear your voice for the first time. You sound more lovely and wonderful than I even imagined.

      I could listen to endlessly. More please!!

  • Oren's criticism of US Jews earns his book five thumbs down: 'slinky,' 'self-aggrandizing,' 'twists reality'
  • 'A traumatized society is dangerous'
    • I listened to Thus interview with Hazel Kahn when it was first published as a podcast and found it to be one of the most astute and enlightening I have heard. I have lustened to it many times since. It explains do much about the Israeli psyche.

      Her analysis is not only hugely enlightening, but very grim and depressing because if indeed Israel cannot be reasoned with and is not a rational actor, then that can only means unlimited violence and bloodshed.

      It also reveals why Liberal Zionists are ultimately just as dangerous as right wing Zionists.

  • 'Jewish cow' is udderly superior to all other cows in the world, Netanyahu says
    • Seriously, I thought this was a joke when I first read it. Is there no limit to Bibbi's buffoonery?

      Then again, Benny Morris believes in Hamas chickens, so maybe it's a Zionist thing.

  • Guess who sent me this letter
  • When will justice's 'thunderbolt' come for Palestine?
    • Israel has built a liberal democracy in a region where such forms of government are unknown. Its democracy has expanded in the last

      Not only that but in Hop's world, up is down, white is black, war is peace, slavery is freedom apartheid is democracy.

      Thank God we have Hop around to invert reality at every opportunity.

  • Leading NY writer likens Edward Said to monster in a horror movie
    • You can read all about how full of it Said was in Joshua Muravchik’s “Making David into Goliath”.

      Yeah, nothing like turning to another lunatic neocon, who had been wrong about everything, as an authority.

  • 'NYT' article on UN's Gaza report strains to demonstrate equivalence in suffering
    • In contrast, Hamas fired more than 4,800 rockets and over 1,700 mortar shells, which killed 6 civilians and injured 1,600 others.”

      What air find sickening is that number if rockets fired is always mentioned but no mention of the number of bimbs, shells, missiles thecIsraelus fired at Gaza.

      For example, according to Mark Perry, s U.S. Defence Department report recalls that the IDF fired 7,000 artillery shells at residential areas in the district the night of Jul. 19, including 4,500 shells in the space of just seven hours.

      In other words, Israel fired as many wheels in 7 hours as all the rockets Hamas fired during the entire war. Why is this always omitted?

  • On anniversary of Gaza massacre UK activists plan to shut down Israeli drone factory
    • It must be understood that it is partly because of the BDS threats that Israel is forced to increase its focus on such industries as they are practically immune to people-level boycott

      Yeah right, so now you're going to argue that the occupation is also a response to BDS? Talk about revisionist crap and ignoring cause and effect.

  • Obscure Netanyahu minister emerges as unsung international hero in latest 'NYT' report
    • What a pathetic joke. Oren has said publicly that Israel would rather the Al Qaeda types win than Assad, yet he expects the world to believe that Israel would mastermind a plan which would keep Assad in power.

      Stand by for a similar piece of propaganda from Rudoren in August where she reveals that Israel were behind the success of the Iran nuclear deal all along.

  • Israel's race to economic (and moral) bankruptcy
    • A) it would take a lot of international coordination and solidarity to make it really hurt Israel (when you get a company like Intel, Ford or Samsung you’re on the right track – and I can’t see that happening in the near future)

      Wrong. Israel are already very fearful of being hurt and the Rand Corporation Report shows that BDS could cost Israel tens of billions.

      On the other hand, your strategy would amount to throwing a wet noodle at Israel.

      B) Even if you have phenomenal success – I don’t see Israel saying: “oh, this is hurting – let’s withdraw our troops”.

      The same could be said for your strategy of treating Israel with kid gloves.

      More likely in my opinion that Israel would withdraw into a state like North Korea – having less to lose and doing worse things (is that possible?).

      Fine then let them. The elite will pull their money out of the state. The educated and skilled workers will flee the country. Occupations cost money and Israel will be forces to decide between feed their population or maintaining the occupation.

      Alternatively, Israel will find new trade partners such as Russia and China –switching sides in cold war #2.

      No way will Russia and China give such gratuitous support and aid to Israel. US support for Israel is based on the money from the lobby not US interests. China and Russia on the other hand will not put up with that crap. Any alliance with Israel will have to be based on give and take.

      C) And what I see as most likely – at any moment in time if Israel decides the 1000 paper cuts are adding up, it will simply create and then remove a couple of settlements and start “negotiations” with whatever puppet government is around at the time. After a year or so the negotiations fail, but in the mean time the boycott subsides (a.k.a Iran nuclear boycott strategy)

      No, because BDS is not based only or removal of a couple of settlements but human rights. The sanctions against Iran are not based on any reason, but purely political so they were always bound to collapse eventually. They are also imposed from the top down.

    • The more you elaborate Todd, the more pathetic an impotent your ideas sound.

      They all amount to pissing into the wind.

      I’m talking about international pressure and worldwide campaigning. All I’m saying is direct the pressure at the weak points in Israels barricade.

      BDS is precisely aimed at Israel's weak points. You yourself earlier argued that Israel's arms industry will be immune to BDS, so BDS is focused at the grass roots level where the the consumer participates by boycotting Israel's consumer exports as well as applying pressure companies with investments in Israel.

      International pressure on Israel to allow an entertainer to perform in the west bank is different than international pressure on the entertainer not to perform at all.

      You are right, it is different. The former is completely and utterly useless and ineffective. It plays right into Israel's hands because performers who travel to Israel are not making the trip to do free gigs. They are there to make money. Israel can easily sabotage any performance in the West Bank while maintaining deniability.

      The performer can even cancel the performance altogether if not allowed to perform in the west bank

      But that assumes every performer how travels to Israel is interested in this level of political activism. Again, how do you know every a performer would want to participate in this exercise?

      You'e just clutching at straws and some up with novel ways to throw a wet noodle at Israel. Israel re already being condemned by the international community and don't give a damn.

      International pressure on Israel to allow companies to create offices in Ramallah is harder to sidestep than those companies refusing to do business with Israel.

      Rubbish. International pressure on Israel to allow companies to create offices in Ramallah would be almost impossible to enforce. Again, why would those companies want to sent up offices in Ramallah? What financial or economic incentive would there be? The PA is broke and who would pay for security of employees? Where would those employees come from given that so few have the skills such companies would require?

      Another example of positive action being active rather than passive is the case of flotillas to gaza. This is the sort of pressure I personally see as effective. Have land caravans into the west bank doing the same.

      Been done. Israel stop those flotillas and are even known to murder the participants. Neither Jordan not Egypt would allow any access either, thanks to Washington's purse strings.

      It’s harder for the Israeli public or world supporters to call that an antisemitic anti-Israel act.

      Doesn't matter. Israel's security forces would simply confiscate all the items and ensure no reporters were able to report on it.

      So Israel has to squirm and make up excuses. I see these as cracks in Israel’s armour.

      That do that already.

      Basically, you have nothing but more of the same that plays entirely into Israel's hands. All Israel would have to do is argue that no other country has the right to dictate terms of trade with them

    • Rather than focusing on negative action, I think the world should focus on positive action – instead of convincing companies to stop doing business with Israel – demand that they do business with Palestine.

      Pathetic and vacuous.

      What do you propose those companies do if Israel violate the agreement? After all, you don't believe in any punitive action whatsoever, so by your own guidelines, those that enter into such an agreement with Israelis companies should not break those contracts or seek damages for violating those terms.

      Instead of demanding that academics or entertainers cancel their visits to Israel – demand that they visit the west bank and Israel but convey messages of outrage regarding Israeli war crimes/human rights abuse while there.

      Again what if they don't? According to your pathetic and impotent guidelines, if Israel refuse to accept those terms, they should face no consequences anyway.

      After all, it's all about being positive right? Positive meaning, make empty demands of Israel, but do nothing if Israel fail to abide by them.

      I’m not saying BDS or military action against Israel would be wrong or evil, I am not saying Israel doesn’t deserve isolation/world intervention – I’m saying that to me it seems impractical, time consuming and possibly counterproductive.

      What you have just laid out would be not only time consuming and possibly counterproductive, it would be a complete waste fo time. There are already dozens of UN Resolutions against Israel and Israel has flouted them with impunity because it knows that there are no consequences for the state of Israel.

      Zionism is extreme nationalism and I don’t see how economic or military pressure could change public opinion in Israel in a way that would cause Israelis to be less extreme. The opposite seems more true.

      Israel's trajectory towards extremism is already underway, so contrary to your claims, it's not pressure that is causing it to happen.

      Positive action on the other hand, in my opinion – has a stronger impact on public opinion in Israel.

      You've just proven my point that you are simply advocating the status quo. That's been tried for 48 years and it's been a monumental failure. Israel has been on the receiving end of nothing positive action. Even Martin Indyk has admitted in a moment of candour that the belief in Washington was that giving copious amounts of military aid and diplomatic support to Israel would embolden Israel to take risks for peace. As Indyk was forced to concede, this had the opposite effect. The aid and diplomatic support merely convinced the Israelis that they didn't have to pursue peace at all.

      Imagine pictures of Robbie Williams taking a tour of Hebron and interviewed stating hoiw horrified he is.

      Hard to imagine seeing as the state of Israel would not only never allow it, but that the promoters would never agree to those terms and because his concert would likely be boycotted by Israelis.

      Imagine an HP distribution center opened in Ramallah and Israeli businesses forced to purchase hardware there.

      All that would lead to is Israeli forced moving into Ramallah and placing it on lock down under the pretext of guaranteeing security to Israeli citizens and settlers who moved there.

      What are you are proposing is all about letting the status quo stick.

      Thanks for exposing yourself as another pathetic pro Israeli shill.

    • Trying to fit people (especially clowns) into templates will make you miss – a lot.

      Don't kid yourself. You liberal Zionist types are so obvious and leave so little to the imagination that it's pretty hard to miss.

      If you disagree with my ideas – explain what you disagree with and why.

      Had you been paying attention you'd have noticed this is precisely what I did. But more to the point, you offered the weazle argument that your opposition to BDS is that it would be too slow and ineffective to bring justice to the Palestinians. It's pretty obvious to everyone here that you didn't offer an alternative strategy because you don't have one. Your agenda is to maintain the status quo, while hoping to get away with maintaining the facade that you want peace.

      It's not peace you want. What you want is to shift the attention away from Israel.

      I doubt you want the occupation to end – what would you troll about then?

      Typical Zionidt projection. It's not the occupation you want to end - it's scrutiny to of Israel.

    • All I am saying is that I would prefer to see an exchange of ideas rather than a war of ideas in the middle east…

      Because you know, an exchange of ideas doesn't make Israel look so bad, but rather an unsuspecting participant in a series of unfortunate events.

      Each side sees it’s own perspective/narrative as the truth and is ignorant or lacks understanding of the other side’s perspective..

      What a load of rubbish. The world has been inundated with Israel's perspective for 65 years and now the other perspective (the actual facts) are slowly surfacing, and the likes of Tod don't like it one bit.

      This is as bad as the intelligent design people who get so whiny when it comes time to study evolution. “What do you mean we descended from apes… It’s just a theory… We want equal time for our batshit theories too”

    • and personally I think it will fail or take too long to do either, which is why I don’t support it

      Oh isn't that touching! Darling Tod is so eager for justice and peace for the Palestinians that BDS just isn't good enough because it won't deliver results soon enough.

      Does this clown have any idea how bloody obvious he is. He opposes BDS because it is bad for Israel. And I bet if he ever came up with a strategy to bring about peace, it would be the same one that has failed miserably for 65 years. Another J Street Israeli firster.

    • The separation wall runs mostly along the green line.

      No, it mainly cuts up to 10 miles into Palestinian territory and runs around illegal settlements.

      Final border agreements will anyway entail land sweeps so I don’t think the walls exact route is that important.

      That's a bit like saying that the rape victim wasn't a virgin at the time, so the rape itself was not a big deal. The "land swaps" BS has become such a pathetic talking point that even those opposed to a 2ss reel it off without a second thought. The position of the Israeli government is that there will never be a Palestinian state, so the land swaps BS is a complete canard.

      No land swaps can take place without mutual agreement. The apartheid concrete wall was build to be a permanent fixture so that the land it is used to steal can never be returned to the Palestinians.

      It is true that the wall causes hardship to some Palestinians but it serves the greater good of preventing suicide bombing that ultimately hurt both populations.

      Yes, the blacks need to suffer so that the white folk can enjoy their privileges and continue to exploit them. Got it Jimmy Crowe.

      So will the wall doesn’t give an absolute solution to the problem it definitely makes the life of suicide bombers more difficult.

      The solution that the wall gives is not to prevent suicide attacks but to steal land.

      If and when peace comes the wall will be removed. Inshalla!

      Israel does not want peace, it wants territory and will maintain a permanent state of war in order to steal more and hang on to what it has stolen.

      I find it amusing you think me a “white guy”. I can trace my lineage in Palestine back at least 14 generations (the Rivlin and Azoulay families – just like our president).

      So could Eli Yishai, who is a Spehardic Jew, who is famous for saying that

      “Most of the people coming here are Muslims who think the land doesn’t belong to us, to the white man”.

      And yes there are indeed separate roads for Palestinians as well as separate license plates for Arab drivers. The non Israeli Palestinians are under Israeli control in the apartheid state of Israel.

    • Walls are quite normal.

      There is nothing normal about Israel's apartheid wall. There is a wall separating USA and Mexico does not cut into Mexico or the USA - it runs along the internationally recognized border.

      There wall between Spain and Morocco does not cut into Spain or the Morocco - it runs along the internationally recognized border.

      The Israel-west bank wall was built as a land grabbing exercise. 1500 Palestinians a week manage to get through or around it every week, so any determined suicide bomber could easily get past it.

      A genuine response to the intifada would have been to end the occupation and illegal settlements.

      I have driven over most roads in my country and never encountered separate roads “for Arabs”.

      Says the privileged white guy in the apartheid state who never experiences segregation.

      The territory is not disputed. No one but Israel considered it disputed, which means that it isn't. It is illegally occupied.

      The separate roads that you originally claimed did not exist, then admit do exist are there to serve illegal settlements. As for drive by shootings, that a far cry from the Israelis who shot Palestinians who tried to return to their homes after the 1948 war.

      The roads where not reopened for general traffic and yes, there are different license plates for Arab drivers.
      You are a pathetic liar.

    • There is an ongoing blood feud going on between Jews and Arabs in Palestine for the last century, so a certain level of animosity is to be expected. It has nothing to do with “segregation” and everything to do with normal human psychology.

      Describing the IP conflict as part of a n ongoing blood feud going on between Jews and Arabs in Palestine is like describing rape as part of the battle of the sexes.

    • Because, as an Israeli living in Israel, I don’t think what’s going on in Israel can be honestly described as segregation.

      And speak to any inmate in a prison and the majority will also will insist they are innocent. Ask any abusive man if he beats his wife and he'll deny it. Ask any pedophile if they are harming children and they'll maintain that they are simply demonstrating their love for children.

      So of course you don't think that what’s going on in Israel can be honestly described as segregation. Back in the days of Jim Crowe or Apartheid South Africa, the minority of whites thought that their societies were perfectly normal too.

      Of course, reality tells a different story

      Segregation of Jews and Arabs in 2010 Israel is almost absolute
      For those of us who live here, it is something we take for granted. But visitors from abroad cannot believe their eyes.

    • benedict,

      Obviously you know very little about hareidi society – past or present.

      Obviously you have no point to make. All you have demonstrated is that the hareidi society has gone from a largely uneducated one that refused to participate in the workforce to a better educated one that still refuses to participate in the workforce. Furthermore, it's not clear that that learning society came about from a conscious strategy from within or simply resulted from the opportunity presented by government funded education.

      As the relative size of the hareidi sector increases economic and social factors are driving an opposite dynamic of work and self sufficiency.

      Care you mention what these increased economic and social factors are or do you need more time to think about it and spend time on Google?

      There are close to ten thousand hareidi students, men and women, In various academic fields. The trend will only grow in the future.

      And how is this trend going to lead to haredi society participating in the workforce, as opposed to haredi simply wasting all their time and state money studying religious texts that contribute nothing to the economy?

    • It is almost amusing to see how Cooks anti Israeli bias gets the better of him.

      It's rather sad how you pretend to be amused while projecting your own condition onto others.

      What evidence do you have that hareidi society in fifty years will be very different then today? They were not part of the workforce 30-40 years ago and they are not today - so what is so very different?

  • Video: Israeli soldiers violently attack unarmed Palestinian man
    • When you see how pathetic these Israelis are - 5 ganged up against one - it's hardly surprising that Hezbollah kicked the shit out of the IDF Dough Boys in pitched battles on the ground.

      Take away their guns and this guy probably would have been able to beat the crap out of these pussies.

    • I would love to see what the preceding 5 minutes showed.

      Yes Mike I am sure who ever shot this edited the smoking gun evidence to show the guy deserved what he got.

  • Schumer says Jewish and American interests on Iran deal differ but he has 'to do what's right for U.S.'
    • As I said you sound just like the Jew hater David Duke. You can see for yourself.

      And as I said you sound just like the goy hater, Caroline Glick.

    • So, worrying about Israeli deaths makes me dually loyal, but worrying about Iranian deaths makes you pro-American, is that it?

      Oh STFU Hop.

      It's the Israeli foresters who have been pushing for war. No war means no deaths in either country GOT IT?

    • And why can’t Jews advance the position that support of Israel is in America’s best interest without facing antisemitic dual loyalty charges.

      Because as Schumer points out, that is a lie and perpetuating a lie in service of a foreign country is treason.

  • Is BDS practicing a double standard with respect to Arab countries?
    • I use Level 5, 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont, NSW 2009 Australia

      Wow Talknic, are you really in Sydney? That address is 5-10 mins from where I live.

    • Keep it up Steve,

      Jaffa oranges were created by the Palestinians and Soda Stream could use all the help it can get based on it's sad share prices.

    • Calling BDS a double standard is a recipe for not doing anything unless you can address every problem

      In fact, the double standard is from those oppose boycott, seeing as opponents of BDS pretty much all support the blockade of Gaza, embargo of Iran etc.

      What's more, is that the so called Liberal Zionists insist on no punitive measures being taken against Israel whatsoever.

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