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  • Does Israel Have a Right to Exist as a Jewish State?: An excerpt from Ali Abunimah's 'The Battle for Justice in Palestine'
    • Well do Scientology followers, Mormons, etc around the world have ethnic qualifiers? Surely they have common traditions, religion etc especially if the evaluating criteria are not very tight. What are the common ethnic qualifiers of for example for a secular Finnish Jew and religious Arab Jew from Yemen? Very little, close to nothing, to form a "nation". Equally we could say that Christians from Tahiti and Lapland are a "nation" because they have same religion, Christmas traditions, Eastern foods etc forming their ethnic qualifiers.

      If Israel has the "right" to exist as a "Jewish State, doesn't it mean that other countries could have the" right" to decide to be officially non-Jewish states? What can a Zionist Ukrainian Jew supporting Israel say to bunch of Ukrainian Nazis who want to have "their" version of a Christian non-Jewish state?

  • At Sochi Olympics, Israel is in... Europe!
    • Sibarak what on earth has a couple of sentences picked the Council of European Studies (what ever it is) paper to do with the land borders of Europe and the definition of the old continent Europe? As said it is not for Israeli Jews decide what the continent of Europe and European mean.

      I also could "dig" from internet interesting studies and quotes of definitions of Jews and Israel. Would you believe in the in a couple sentences deliberately handpicked from a paper of Council of Zionist Studies located in Teheran?

      Must we really because this Israel is in Europe welcome the Middle East as part of "Europe". If we claim that Jews born and living in Israel are Europeans, can we say to Palestinians in Israel and occupied areas, that you are not Europeans? If your ancestors left that potato farm in Poland 100 years ago and moved to Palestine, does it mean, that you are still Polish and a European? Really?

    • Höpöhöpö - in Finnish polite form of "bulshit". The borders of that old historic territory called Europe have been clear and defined for centuries. Europe is no "idea" which Israeli Jews can bend and stretch how they will in their propaganda. What Israeli Jews want is not relevant with definitions what is Europe or European. An Israeli Jew born in Israel to Jewish parents living there is an Asian, not European.

      Israel was established by European Jews. No doubt of that. But so have many other countries around of the world. Is Argentina for example part of your "idea of Europe"?

      It is very important to kick Israel out of all possible European organizations. Or then Palestine and other Israel's neighbors must be included. And Argentina. It would be racist not accept them if Israel is allowed to be a "European member" but not them.

      If Israeli Jews want to be Europeans they can use their second or third passport and move form Asia to Europe. What about using the "idea of Antarctica" and Israel joining the "idea" of that region? Then there is no reasons to fight with others and Israel can form all the "Antarctica" organizations it wants. Being the only member has benefits. The is Israel is always the first.

    • The borders of Europe have been clear for hundreds of years. Under the commonly used definitions, the border between Asia and Europe stretches along the Ural Mountains, Ural River, and Caspian Sea in the east, the Greater Caucasus range and the Black Sea, with its outlets, the Bosporus and Dardanelles, in the south. Based on that division, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey have territory both in Europe and Asia.

      In all cases Israel has nothing to do with Europe. Of Israel's landmass 0% are in Europe. Actually it delegitimizes Europe if Israel is allowed to join our European "clubs". Palestine must then given access as a European country to all same sport, culture, business etc organizations where Israel is allowed to called as a European country. So should Lebanon and Syria which are actually closer to Europe than Israel is. And lets not forget Jordan as part of "Europe".

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