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  • Time Warner executive moonlights as speechwriter for Netanyahu
    • Is it relevant to know whether he would be eligible to emigrate to Israel or enlist in the IDF?

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  • Rand Paul turned into a hawk on Iran and libertarians are burning his stuff
    • Both the article and Rand Paul still have this US-centric view of the agreement. As several commenters, including myself, and Kerry above have said, this is not about whether the sanctions stay in place, it is about whether the US chooses to be the only country in the world (well perhaps with my own unfortunately) to continue to have sanctions against Iran. And then as I have asked before "Who is being sanctioned?". The other countries in the P5+1 have gone a very long way to keep the US happy on this - they will go no further. The only alternative to removing sanctions is probably a false flag operation and then military action and no good will come of that.

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      For the US to continue sanctions would result in Iran moving even further into the Chinese and Russian spheres of influence.

  • It's time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped
    • Alex Salmond always puts me in mind of the William Inge's quote:
      "A nation is a society united by a delusion about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbours" or perhaps Samuel Johnson: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
      Nicola Sturgeon is a different kettle of fish - I could vote for her.

    • Thanks Danaa for your kind comments! While the SNP and secession phenomena might be seen to be about Scottish Nationalism, I think this hides a deeper truth. It is easy for Scots to say that they are different because there has been a border there for 1000 years but in reality the most important issues are economic and social ones rather than nationalist. I believe there is one Conservative MP from Scotland and so this and the previous government in no way represents people north of the border. These people have a a more society-focused rather than individual focused view of the world than those in the affluent SE (leaving aside inner London) and East Midlands. But that society-focused view is equally true of much of the North of England. Blair (in gaining Murdoch support) moved Labour to a party that is no longer representative of these groups - though they continued to vote for Labour in England faut de mieux since they had no SNP and Lib-Dem let them down by going into coalition with the Conservatives. SNP is much more society-focused than Labour. Someone very close to me who lives in the SE said that if Scotland secedes she would go and live there to get away from the right wing politics of England. The Jeremy Corbyn phenomenon seems to bear out my view. Personally I think the combined former kingdoms of Pictland, Galloway, and Northumbria should secede. It makes much more sense.

    • Hi Avigail

      As an Australian I tend to agree with you about the treatment of the indigenous people, though as rosross says, it depends on the flavour of the government - don't expect more than publicity stunts from the current crowd. I look at our friends across the Tasman and see a much healthier interaction between the Maoris and the colonists - not perfect but much better. We could do a lot better but to a great extent under the more enlightened recent governments (Lab and Fraser Libs) it has been more about working out what to do (and often getting it wrong) for Aboriginals than about whether to do it. I see hope in the burgeoning Aboriginal middle class partly as a result of land rights legislation and an increasing number of Aboriginals in state and federal parliaments. Having said that, to me, living in an affluent suburb of a South Eastern major city, Aborigines are an abstraction - I hardly ever see one.

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      While not directly about colonialism, it is a sign of Australia 's view of "the other" that perhaps more than any other country, relative to population size, in recent times it has opened its doors to all-comers - be they Ethiopians, Afghans, Israelis, or even Scots. As countries go (and the track record of most is abysmal) Australia does pretty well at integrating people and cultures from many different parts of the world. Of course it is easy to do that when the economy is going well. Let's see what the next few years will bring.

      I don't see colonialism or our failure to acknowledge it (have we?) as the key to our support for Israel - which is I think even stronger than in the US - perhaps on a par with our fellow former colony in Canada. Look at support for Israel in France and Germany and it is a long time since they were colonies of any other country. Nor do I see it resulting from our vassal status relative to the US, though the connections between US and Australian especially in Defence are very strong.

      Our support for Israel is driven largely by the home grown powerful and rich Zionist network and Zionist control of much of the mainstream media. Even the national broadcaster - the ABC - dares not permit significant criticism of Israel (or even fair reporting) for fear of Michael Danby and his colleagues in Parliament. Even Phillip Adams on the ABC is PEP. He regularly gives soft interviews to Zionists, though a couple of days ago I did hear part of an interview with someone who seemed to regard Hamas members as human beings - that's a big shift - but only because "ISIL is worse"! Look at the media attack on Bob Carr (former Foreign Minister) when he spoke the truth about the influence of the Zionist lobby on Gillard and Australian foreign policy. If you listen to, read, or watch Australian mainstream media and talk to otherwise well-informed Australians you would believe that poor little besieged Israel is being constantly harassed by terrorists, that thousands of rockets are fired on a daily basis into Israel and that it has done nothing at all to deserve this treatment. I find more understanding of the I/P situation in the UK, with at least a few in the media (not the BBC unfortunately) standing up to the lobby, than in Australia.

    • Sorry to harp on about the 2015 UK General Election, but I've done some more investigations of the demographics and voting patterns in the UK 2015 general election. I looked, fairly crudely, at what would have happened if the rest of the UK had voted as those constituencies in which there are at least 1000 Jews (and presumably about 800 of voting age - that might be on the high side. These figures are just the ones for which it is easy to find data. This document has been invaluable:

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      If indeed the rest of the UK had voted the same way as those constituencies with a "significant" Jewish population, Labour would have been able to form a government in its own right (that is without the aid of the SNP) with a decent majority.

      This runs counter to the following articles:

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      Or if they are correct then what they are saying is that the Jewish vote in the UK General Election was largely irrelevant. And in that case why were these articles written? Only in Hendon could there be claimed to be a result where Labour might have lost votes relative to the previous election and as I said before the Labour candidate had "impeccable Zionist credentials". If the Conservative and Labour psephologists do their sums correctly they might start changing their stance on Israel.

    • Great posts tree! If I may indulge in a little pedantry, if he did his doctorate at Oxford it's a D.Phil.

    • I forgot a few:

      Stamford Hill - stronghold of the expanding Hasidic Community in the UK. Large swings to Labour in the constituencies covering this area:

      Hackney South: nearly 9% swing with nearly 65% of the total vote to Labour,

      Hackney North: nearly 8% swing with nearly 63% of the total vote to Labour.


      Harrow West: Labour win with an increase of over 3% in total vote

      Harrow East: Was Conservative in 2010 and remained Conservative though both Lab and Con increased their vote - against Lib-Dem.

      Leeds has a Jewish community of around 6-7000 in this century - declining from the high of around 25000 in the 1930s and 40s - out of over 700000 in the metropolitan borough of Leeds. Leeds North East where many of the Jews in Leeds live had an increased Labour majority and Leeds North West was one of the few Lib-Dem seats left with a major swing towards Lab from both Con and Lib-Dem.

      There - I think I have covered every constituency in the UK where the Jewish population might just have an influence. The conclusion is that, if anything, Labour increased its vote in almost all of those constituencies in which Jews had significant numbers of voters by more than the 0.8% increase in its vote overall.

    • @ivri - you have no idea about Scotland! First it's the SNP not the NSP.

      Secondly the issue about Israel played no role in the elections in Britain - I realise this gets a lot attention in the Jewish and pro-Zionist press that seem to think the Jewish vote was a significant factor and that the UK election was all about Israel but the numbers don't stack up. The real differences between Scottish and English voting patterns are to do with economic conditions in the various parts of the UK and not foreign policy (Clinton: "It's the economy stupid"). You can see that by looking at the electoral map - Conservatives hold the affluent Home Counties and country areas. Labour holds Inner London, the (post) industrial North, West Midlands, and South Wales, SNP holds Scotland. I might add the backing for the Conservatives of the right wing, and increasingly so, MSM.

      Britain has less than 300,000 Jews in a population of 64M - less than 0.5%. Moreover those Jews are mainly concentrated in the London and to a lesser extent Manchester areas. One particular constituency with many voters who identify as Jewish, Finchley and Golders Green, was Conservative in the 2010 election. In the recent election there was a significant increase in the Conservative vote of 4.9% but an even more significant increase in the Labour vote of 6.1% (the Labour candidate was Jewish with strong ties to Israel). Another constituency with a large number of voters who identify as Jewish is Chipping Barnet. It has been Conservative since at least the 1970s and there was an 8.9% increase in the Labour vote in the recent election with a slight decrease in the Conservative vote. You might make a case for Hendon where there was a swing against Labour of about 6% but the Labour candidate Andrew Dismore has, to quote one article, "impeccable Zionist credentials". Hertsmere had a 3.7% increase in the Labour vote and a 3.3% increase in the Conservative vote but it has been staunchly Conservative in living memory. In Thurrock it was a close race among three candidates with both the Conservatives and Labour losing considerable ground to UKIP (and if I were Jewish I wouldn't trust them! link to Brentwood is another unchallengeable Conservative seat, similarly Epping Forest and South Basildon. Now we have covered probably more than half of Jewish voters in the UK.

      Next let's consider Manchester where most of the rest of the Jewish community lives. Bury South ("bubbling hub of north Manchester Jewish life") had a swing to Labour of 4.6% and the Labour candidate won. Salford (the other part of the Greater Manchester area with a significant Jewish population) had a swing of over 9% to Labour (which won) with another massive swing (15%) to UKIP. Other constituencies in the Manchester area have very few Jews. So no gains for Conservatives from the Jewish vote in Manchester.

      Incidentally you might ask how every party's vote is increasing - the answer is the Lib-Dems who shot themselves in the foot by aligning themselves with the Conservatives after the 2010 election. Labour lost because of demographics and UKIP and why would any Jewish person vote for that party?

      So perhaps you might at a pinch ascribe 1 seat to the Jewish vote against Labour's stance on Israel (Hendon) but that's about it. The Conservatives have a majority of 10 against the combined opposition. Now you might want to discuss the Muslim vote in the UK - about 9 times as many as there are Jews and you might imagine that a strong anti-Zionist stance would win votes from them.

  • 'If we don't take out Iran,' it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel -- Steven Emerson to Times Square rally
    • Yes Ayalon does favour the Iran deal. He also spouts BS about it "increasing Iran's ability to foment instability in the region". Does he mean helping Hizbollah protect Lebanon from Israeli aggression or helping the Shia militia fight ISIS, or perhaps both? After all expanding Israeli occupied territory does not in itself stir up instability - it's those that oppose it who do! Isn't it the case that the US and its allies - including my country - are fighting ISIS?

    • Ok - I'll come clean. University of Birmingham is my alma mater (as they say in the US). Good old Joe is still there - or was a few weeks ago. And on this recent visit I travelled to Birmingham by a narrow boat on a canal.

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    • I had occasion to briefly visit the centre of Birmingham recently and I spent a few years there a very long time ago. As big cities go it's not bad - no worse than Melbourne CBD. And it has some beautiful suburbs (and some pretty grimy post-industrial ones too).

      It is hard to discern someone's religion from their appearance in general but there were a few that I might guess were Muslim. There were many that I would wager were not.

  • If Americans support Iran deal, 56-37, what gives Israel the power to 'croak' it?
  • The Iran deal: a triumph of irrationality
  • Video: Israelis in West Jerusalem call for attack on Iran
    • As you said, Marnie, for over 20 years Netanyahu has been shouting that Iran is only a few of years away from having a bomb.

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      This has had the desired effect? What desired effect? Any sane person would be raising serious questions about the honesty of the messenger by now. In the immortal words of George W:

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  • Crisis for the lobby: Clinton bucks Saban, AIPAC doesn't know what to say
    • Which of the P5+1 would support the US if it reneged? I am told that the top hotels in Tehran have been booked for weeks in anticipation by businessmen eager to engage with Iran. Producers in European countries are salivating over this new potential market. Perhaps - and only perhaps - the UK is sufficiently bound to the US to follow suit but I doubt if any of the others would. Even the UK went against US wishes on the AIIB. When only one country (and a few lackeys) has sanctions against another, which country is being sanctioned?

  • 'We should seize it' -- Obama announces Iran deal as 'new direction' for the Middle East
    • "Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!" Kenneth Williams in "Carry on Cleo".

      Could be the Zionist motto.

  • Report from Ramallah: How Palestine is today
    • @RoHa and @Bornajoo

      Labour MPs were under a one-line whip for that vote - indicating a direction of party policy but with no requirement to attend or vote. Conservative backbenchers were allowed a free vote (no indication of policy) but members of the (Conservative) government were not allowed to vote.

      Conservative Friends of Israel claims 80% of Conservative MPs as members. I don't have a figure for Labour Friends of Israel but a cursory glance at their website suggests significantly less.

      In Australia the only politician who has been willing recently even to be slightly critical of Australia's undying support for Israeli actions is Bob Carr. Others that have criticised Israel in the past have been worked over by the toecutters and come back into line.

  • Irish activists hit hard against 1st Irish dance competition in Israel
    • The British and other Australian colonists may have, for a while, attempted to wipe out the indigenous people of Australia - though even that is overstating the situation. While there is still some level of discrimination, now the indigenous people of Australia are legally protected, have land rights over large areas of Australia, and have significant federal financial support. Their traditional ownership of the land is acknowledged at public gatherings, and to a significant extent aboriginal place names are kept and respected. We have a prime minister who, to gain election, promised (and then reneged) to spend a week a year in an aboriginal community:

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      Whenever he makes statements suggesting a withdrawal of support for remote, largely aboriginal communities, he is widely criticised in the media and has to back down:

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      Now let's talk about Israel and its indigenous population.

  • Sheesh: A conservative response to the special relationship
    • I am a taxpayer of a close ally of the US, that is, one that sends its young into several conflicts to fight alongside American soldiers (Australia). This country is paying many billions of dollars for this aircraft. Since this is not picking America's pockets, please, can we have some free samples too?

  • Settlers Supporting Settlers: Towards an explanation of the US/Israel relationship
    • Incidentally I doubt - but am willing to be corrected - whether the statement by Tamir “Asia is basically the continent of the Yellow race. Australia and Israel do not belong to it – we basically belong to the White race.” received much attention in the Australian media (a sign of the bias). If such a statement had been made by, say, the British High Commissioner with UK substituted for Israel, there would have been a major outcry.

    • Tamir needs to walk around the campuses of Australia's universities - one gets the impression that at least half of the faces are Asian. Of course many of these are on temporary student visas, but Australia currently has over 180,000 immigrants each year (that's close to 1% of the current population) and the top two countries providing those immigrants are India and China.

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      Australia's support for Israel really stems from the Zionist control of its MSM - Fairfax, Murdoch, ABC are staunchly pro-Israel in their reporting - and the power of the Zionist lobby.
      Interestingly, Australia quietly joined the China Development Bank against the wishes of the US recently.

  • Night of horror at Ben Gurion airport for two French music students
    • I've almost stopped posting here, though I read avidly, because it's better to let the hasbarists keep shooting themselves in their collective feet. Jackdaw requires no response in reality. Indeed it worries me that even this response might persuade him/her to stop posting. Keep 'em coming Jackdaw.

      I once spent a scary hour (and only an hour but enough that I came close to missing my flight) at TA airport being quizzed by goons like this - and I'd only visited inside Israel's internationally recognised borders. I've never been treated in this way in any other of the many countries I have visited. I'll never return.

  • Iran is 'congenital cheating' 'Islamic power bent on world domination' -- Netanyahu tells US media
    • I can vouch for what "just" wrote about Iranian universities. Graduates of Sharif and Tehran, in particular, are very highly regarded in the West in areas of science and and engineering. In terms of quality of graduates they rank much better than "top 1000" would suggest.

  • Over one quarter of Netanyahu’s speech to Congress consisted of applause and standing ovations
    • Didn't Churchill say, "To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war." at a White House lunch? BB-gun should indeed learn from his mentor.

  • Israeli soldiers set attack dogs on teen -- 'Bite him' -- and rightwing politician cheers
    • I was having the same thoughts independently Amigo but less eloquently. Interesting how they choose their battlegrounds.

  • Pelosi blasts Netanyahu speech as 'insult to intelligence of U.S.', Amanpour calls it 'dark, Strangelovian'
    • I didn't see the speech but Nuttyahoo was quoted as saying that "ISIS and Iran compete for militant Islam crown". Aren't the US, and incidentally my home country of Australia, fighting ISIS? Aren't these the people whose grisly videos of beheadings are shown on prime time TV as evidence of their ultimately evil intent? Aren't these the people my prime minister, Tony Abbott is warning us to be very afraid of, so as to be able to increase the level of surveillance of the Australian public in the name of national security?

      Surely some Americans will start to wonder about its ally in the Middle East at this point. Is it with us or against us?

  • Israel sentences Palestinian teen Lina Khattab to 6 months in prison for protesting
  • 700 UK artists pledging not to go to Israel include Soueif, Ali, Waters, Eno, Leigh, Churchill
    • @Tony Riley

      From Wikipedia - not my favourite site for this kind of thing but in a hurry:

      exception of isolated attacks on Israeli territory on 6 and 9 October, the military combat actions during the war took place on Arab territory, mostly in the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Egypt's stated goal for the war was the expelling of the Israeli forces occupying Sinai.

    • You sound like you're just annoyed because you lost an argument. What does winning mean here, Tony? Killing more children? Flattening their dwellings? Destroying their means of livelihood?

    • Tony Riley's ignorance on almost any matter combined with his willingness to parade it here are quite remarkable.

      As I've said elsewhere in this thread. Some of the people listed here are giants of their professions and known widely in the UK.

    • @Tony

      The Allies captured Japan and Germany in the aftermath of WW2. These places did not become part of the US or France or the UK. They were given back. In what sense did Sinai become part of Israel and how was this done "fairly".

    • Please explain how you arrive at that figure, Tony.

    • It's difficult to respond to such a remark without being "ad hominem". You're displaying your considerable ignorance, Jackdaw.

      Miriam Margolyes has been for many years a much-loved actress in Britain and Australia (where she recently became a citizen). She is the winner of many awards including BAFTA Best Supporting Actress. Jonathan Miller, the ultimate polymath, is these days regarded as one of the most important directors of opera in the world - winner of a Tony award as well as many other honours and distinctions. Jeremy Hardy is very highly regarded political comedian (winner of the Perrier Comedy Award at the Edinburgh Fringe). Ken Loach is a great film and TV director (and winner of the Palme d'Or). Krauss else mentioned Mike Leigh. I could go on!


  • No one's talking about peace in Israeli election, U.S. liberal Zionists are warned
  • Netanyahu's disaster: speech cost 'omnipotent' lobby a veto proof majority for Iran sanctions
  • Three Muslim-Americans murdered in North Carolina by gunman (Updated)
  • Israel: Schabas resignation cannot ‘whitewash’ bias in UN war crimes inquiry
    • The issue of early Zionist colonialism was discussed in MW a few years ago.

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      It's an interesting read - featuring the famous Mr Witty.

      At some point this website was linked.

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      As Donald says in the MW discussion:

      "My guess about the rabbi is that he’s trying to find justification for his own monstrous beliefs by showing that the early Zionists had similar ones, but I’d have to read more of his articles to be sure that’s where he is going. It’s hard to imagine what else he might be trying to demonstrate."

      And by David Samel

      "This rabbi clearly favors forced transfer of Palestinians from the lands God promised the Jews. To defend that proposition, he has undertaken historical research to show that transfer has always been an integral part of the Zionist plan from the very beginning, as if to show that his present position in the 21st century is authorized by these giants of history."

    • You know the, possibly apocryphal, Gandhi story, seafoid?

      Journalist: What do you think of Western civilization?
      Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

  • Muslims are Nazis, 'USA Today' jokes
  • Ari Shavit pimps AIPAC in Scarsdale
  • Why now? Story breaks that US teamed with Israel in assassinating Iranian 'agent' in '08
    • Slightly off topic but a remarkable report was published in the UK last week by the HoC Defence Committee. Here's Patrick Cockburn's article and I'll quote a couple of gems.

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      The committee was shocked by the inability or unwillingness of any of the service chiefs to provide a clear, and articulate statement of the UK’s objectives or strategic plan in Iraq.

      We saw no evidence of the UK Government as a whole seeking to analyse, question, or change the coalition strategy, to which it is committed.

      What the US really thinks about the rise of Isis and al-Qaeda-type organisations was revealed with undiplomatic frankness by Vice-President Joe Biden at a small meeting at Harvard University last October. ... He said that Saudi Arabia, UAE and Turkey “were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war. ... They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad, except that the people who were being supplied were al-Nusra and al-Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.

  • Chair of Democratic National Committee opposes Jewish intermarriage and MSNBC showing Gaza carnage
    • @Annie - I know that - I wanted to see Yonah's answer.

      @Yonah - just keep on being honest.

      Regarding your view of the opinions of the commenters here, I personally don't have any opposition to Jewish (or Mormon or any other small religious group's) endogamy if that's what the individuals concerned want.

      Interesting parallel with LDS regarding endogamy

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      - with a very significant difference - the Mormons convert in large numbers.
      If you want to ensure the survival of Judaism follow the LDS example - start proselytizing! Mormons do best in 3rd world countries.

    • @Yonah: I'm intrigued. What does half-Jewish mean?

      According to Wikipedia: "A Jew is someone who was born to a Jewish mother, or who converts to Judaism in accordance with Jewish law and tradition."

      Now I'm not a great fan of Wikipedia for issues like this and am being lazy in not finding a more authoritative source, but I can't get my head around "half-Jewish" according to this definition.

  • Salaita sues donors for 'injecting' themselves into U of Illinois decision, threatening to withhold gifts unless he was fired
    • @DoubleStandard

      You don't agree with:
      1. That Chancellor Wise destroyed papers?
      2. That the law forbids potential litigants from destroying papers which might be evidence?
      3. That the donors threatened to withhold money?
      4. That he was offered a job?
      5. That it was torn up?
      6. That they should get a good judge?
      7. That we should follow this closely?
      8. The typo?
      9. Or ....."Terrific complaint"?
      10. Or none of the above?

  • Netanyahu speech scandal blows up, and 'soiled' Dermer looks like the fall guy
    • There are at least 6 different US foreign policies:

      1. President
      2. Congress
      3. State Dept
      4. Pentagon
      5. CIA
      6. John McCain

      and now maybe

      7. John Boehner

  • Finkelstein on Joan Peters's legacy (and Dershowitz's legal troubles)
    • Once again Zofia you have provided me with reading matter - I'm currently wading through "The Mythical Past". I am not going to be able to keep up. Thanks for your wonderful and deep knowledge. Very impressive.

  • Phila Inquirer publishes a lie: 'Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same'
    • I am intrigued, JeffB. Who were these Zionists who predated Judaism? And what happened to them? What did they believe? Where did they live? What exactly were the borders of Zion and how long did it exist for? When was the "fall of Zion"? I appear to be "unbelievably ignorant" on this matter.

      What are the main tenets of this philosophy "which is a total philosophy of being individually (psychologically), morally and collectively (sociologically) for Jews"? Is it only for Jews? I have never heard of a philosophy being restricted to one particular tribe. Please elucidate.

    • I am not sure I can agree with that statement, Annie. If a Jewish "community institution" chooses to support the kind of carnage we saw in Gaza last year, then I reserve the right to have a "certain perception" of it, and to manifest that perception rhetorically - but not physically.

  • Tell your congressperson: Don't attend Netanyahu's speech
    • @Yonah JeffB's generalization of Christian views is no less inappropriate than giles (or even JeffB's) generalization of Jewish ones. Neither are valid.

      Nor apparently is your "shame on Jewish manhood" statement:

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      Unfortunately the Alfred Lilienthal link has been taken down.

    • @Yonah

      No I live in an even more ZIonist country than the US - Australia.

      giles can turn up here with whatever name (s)he wants as far as I am concerned.

      JeffB just posted this on another thread:

      Christians are unable to respect Jews because they are a defeated people. So there can’t be a parity.

      I'd be interested in your opinion.

    • @Yonah

      I am not sure if your comment "won't even reveal his own ethnic group" refers to me or giles but just in case you mean the former I'll discuss mine. Firstly "his" is a bit of an assumption - though as it turns out, valid. Secondly I don't even know what "ethnic group" means, really. I have some Irish, Viking, Anglo-Saxon ancestors for sure - but then the overlap between these labels is pretty large - that's one of the problems with "ethnicity". Possibly I might have some Roman ancestors too. My grandfather claimed to have had a Jewish birth mother, but as he was adopted that is hard to prove - or disprove. Even then I am not sure what that says about "ethnicity". So what would you say my "ethnicity" is? I believe I belong to a species called homo sapiens sapiens and the rest is up for grabs. I think I am pretty unique and don't need a tribal label, but then so are you. In the words of Brian "You're all individuals".

      As to your reports of giles comments they do seem to generalize more than I would regard as acceptable and to that extent I personally have some problems with them, but I think also that "jew hating" is also presumptuous on your part, based on the evidence.

    • @Yonah That is a pretty strong statement about giles. Can you cite evidence?

      Not only have you made a response which is a "no response", you have made a retraction which is "no retraction".

    • @Yonah Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have been saying that an Iranian bomb is 1 year, 2 years, less than 5 years away, for around 25 years - maybe more. And it has not happened. Meanwhile a number of more trustworthy sources - for instance ones that voiced serious doubts about the claimed active Iraqi WMD program - have been saying that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.

      A rational human being would start to doubt the "Iran is about to get a bomb" sources.

      Why a "no response" response (when is a response a "no response") to giles statement that Netanyahu is a thief, and if he does have dual US-Israeli citizenship which some have claimed, a traitor. You accept that Netanyahu is a thief, but not that he is a liar?

      If Israel wants a war with Iran, so be it - it is their call - Israel is an independent country with an independent foreign policy (unlike mine). But it is not a war that the US or any other Western country should fight - at least not on the side of the aggressor - Israel.

  • Like the Wind, We Will Be Free: How being detained at Ben Gurion airport during a family trip to Palestine reaffirmed my identity
  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • @ApolloSpeaks "Building the bomb"

      We've heard it all before and before and before ....

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      This is nothing to do with "building the bomb" and is all about Israel's regional hegemony.

    • Polygamy is a federal crime in the US - courtesy of Brigham Young.

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      From the latter:

      "Mormons were determined to create a Zionist, polygamous kingdom in the newly acquired territories."

      "Yet with the start of the Civil War, Republican majorities were able to pass legislation meant to curb the Mormon practice of polygamy such as the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862."

      Re Roha's cartoons, New Zealand has 7 sheep per person (or, putting it more starkly, about 14 per male New Zealander) - not a little over 4 as the cartoon suggests. However in the good old days - 1982 - it had about 22 sheep per person (44 or so per male). It appears that a crisis is approaching! Come to think of it, my last statement would probably be banned under this proposal.

  • #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique
    • Of course Yorkshiremen are better than Lancastrians! I can speak with some authority!

      Incidentally Nick Park, creator of Wallace and Gromit, was born in Lancashire but studied in Sheffield, Yorkshire. And Wallace's favourite cheese is Wensleydale which is definitely from Yorkshire!

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      In fact, the "War of the Roses" is, these days, more a matter of fun than anything serious, except for the twice yearly cricket match between the two counties - then it becomes serious. These days the two counties are united by a common enemy - bloody southerners!

    • I have often wondered what would happen if the Palestinians said "We surrender". What would Israel do? International opprobrium would hopefully prevent wholesale deportation and to where? The last thing Israel wants is that the Palestinians surrender - whatever that means. It cannot then go on doing what it does to them with impunity.

  • Why do Muslims object to depictions of their prophet?
    • @Taxi - I was reading a few days ago about the Ugaritic sources too which seem to be a separate strand that predates the Torah from the Assyrian/Zoroastrian one.

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      I'm sure someone here knows more about this than I do. Zofia?

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • I've just checked the BBC website - nothing there about this issue. I will not pay NYT so I cannot check there but willing to have a small bet with you about what you will find. I checked the Guardian - nothing there. The Daily Telegraph - nothing there. Sydney Morning Herald - nothing there - and then that would mean The Age too, which is almost identical. I will not check the Australian for the same reason as NYT but there I would bet a large amount! All of these outlets have something about the funerals in Jerusalem but none that I can check mention this.

      So DeBakr all of these "liberal" outlets (well except for DT which is conservative) are indeed giving me, at least, the wrong impression. Thank G-d for MW for telling us what Israelis are allowed to read in their own media.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • @Philemon: "I have no recollection of any other song in connection specifically with Australia. "

      Before 1984 the Australian National Anthem was "God Save the Queen". In 1977 there was a national referendum for a "National Song" in which "Advance Australia Fair" was chosen. It became the National Anthem in 1984. It ranks amongst the most boring of national anthems so there is no reason why you should remember it. Musically it has similarities to the tune of "God Bless the Prince of Wales" . Why would anyone want any country to be associated with that sentiment?

    • It was JeffB not Mayhem, Mooser. I can understand how you confuse them - they read from the same script. Or maybe you know something I don't. Why do I always feel like a schlemazel when I'm writing to Mooser?

    • I take you at your word Jeff. It wasn't obvious to me - or apparently jimby.

    • I voted for Waltzing Matilda in the referendum on the "National Song" for Australia many years ago - much more in keeping with Australia's self-perceived larrikin character but the wowsers won. I have no idea what the words of the current National Anthem are - something about "Advance Australian Fare" which might be about the rising price of public transport, or kangaroos on our dinner plates.

      My favourite is PRCs - March of the Volunteers.

    • I am always impressed by the logic of hasbarists. Would you please explain your reasoning Yonah? It seems to me that, on the contrary, the interviewee's view is that all Palestinians are targets and Wilcox was suggesting that that might not be the case. How you reason that into your statement defies logic.

    • Here's a wikipedia page on French massacres.

      link to

  • Why I am not Charlie
    • Damned cunning those Chinese:

      link to

      They built a tall building that did not collapse at the first hint of fire! Maybe they learned to do it by looking at all of the steel that was shipped there from the WTC buildings immediately after 911.

  • The moral hysteria of Je suis charlie
    • Your simplistic rant shows that you clearly fail to see Klug's point. Freedom of speech is a relative concept - not an absolute one. One person's freedom of speech is another's blasphemy.

      He is pointing out that there are always points at which any society abhors freedom of speech and that is different for different societies. Therein lies the hypocrisy of this reaction.

      Consider how you might feel about holocaust deniers or "racial" stereotyping of your ethnicity? Do you want freedom of speech for them?

      Your problem with this particular wave of human emotion is that it does coincide with your selfish agenda. I don't think Klug talks about any agenda - selfish or otherwise.

  • Don't let's go to the war of civilizations again
    • @Danaa

      The modus operandi of the posters you name ("ivri", "hophmi", etc) is to insert themselves into a conversation with some falsehood. After a few (often no more than one) interaction their falsehoods are exposed. They disappear from the conversation and move on to another. See the example of Yonah above about the 2006 war with Lebanon. Never do they apologize for attempting to mislead us - or even accept that they were wrong. In fact, they will go to another conversation and state the same lies. When others posters say something that's proved wrong they typically express some regret. Being a hasbarist means never having to say you're sorry. This MO is what distinguishes them most clearly from the others here for me.

      This is nothing to do with the content of their arguments or the language, it's about basic human respect for others and self-respect. When you're discovered with your hand in the cookie jar, you don't just walk off and find another cookie jar. If that's what Israeli society is like (and you say it is worse) then it explains everything about I/P.

      These people are not here to debate - or as Yonah said on another thread "have a dialogue". Their role is purely that of propaganda.

  • Anti-Semitism at Fordham?
  • 'NYT' reporter says Palestinians must make 'concessions... they have long avoided'
  • Dershowitz story is also an Israel story
  • 'It is time to make it costly for Palestinians,' Ross warns in NYT; and readers reject his argument
    • To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies, "You would, wouldn't you." But instead of repeating your comfortable myths, why don't you respond to talknic's question on the "Media obsesses ..." thread. Too hard to supply real evidence to support your myths?

      Incidentally Hamas is no longer regarded as a terror organisation by the EU General Court. Zionist propaganda is beginning to wear thin.

      link to

      What's your stance on terrorist organisations like Irgun and the Stern Gang?

    • You're too kind, amigo.

  • Palestinian resolution fails at the Security Council, U.S. votes against 'staged confrontation' at the UN
    • I too am ashamed of my country. The only country apart from the US to oppose the resolution. And of course our media are silent on it. I am reminded of what Gareth Evans said in 2012 when Australia was intending to vote "No" to observer status for Palestine:

      to vote 'no' on this resolution would be not to help the cause of peace, not to help Israel and to be putting Australia absolutely on the wrong side of history in terms of our region and in terms of our capacity to be a credible and effective performer on the Security Council over the next two years

      The wrong side of history indeed. With regard to Australia's two years on UNSC, we started badly and finished worse. It may be a very long time before we get another chance.

  • 'NYT' writer takes Salaita's side, saying U of Illinois violated 'intellectual and academic freedom'
    • @Yonah: "but guess what? no one has heard of hartman or cares about hartman and this salaita dude is now a famous representative of the Palestinian viewpoint,"

      Exactly - I think Hartman and his statements deserve much more coverage. What about it NYT?

      @Yonah: "I am sorry that my role here as adversary does not give me sufficient opportunity to comment on the suffering of the Palestinians."

      Yeah - right! But that would be less lucrative.

  • As Kerry and UN press on occupation, Netanyahu sees a 'diplomatic assault'
    • Yes, Marnie, shame on Australia - as an Australian I agree. But be aware that there is no debate of this issue in Australia. The media do not report it or if they do they slant the discussion to suggest that Israel is being victimized. This is not a decision by ordinary Australians but by our rulers. Unfortunately, the leadership of both major political parties, as in the US, are now more than ever totally committed to the Zionist cause. I cannot see Australia voting any time soon for even a symbolic recognition of Palestine.

  • Israel's proposed Jewish nationality law is a flop on Broadway
    • @ckg: "I really would like to know what Iran did to get to number 1"

      Be the enemy of choice for the neocons and Zionist-owned media.

  • UN commemorates Palestine's long journey
    • I have been searching to find the other three countries that voted against the resolution without success. I suspect mine - Australia - is one of them. Unlike Canada, Australia's history has barely fluctuated - Zionist through and through, except perhaps briefly under Rudd. The current crowd in power falls into the "tawdry sycophant" category.

  • Israel lost the British elite after Gaza onslaught, UK ambassador says
    • @MDM: "not ONE major UK politician condemned Israel by name during this summer’s slaughter"

      Gerald Kaufman:
      "...unless the Israelis are willing to make peace, the day will come when the Palestinians will explode in anger and despair,"

      Nicholas Soames:
      "Would my right honorable friend agree that this is not just a war about rockets from both sides but it is actually a war about illegal settlements and stolen lands?"

      Fiona O'Donnell, Jeremy Corbyn, Lyn Brown, Edward Leigh, Andrew Slaughter, Fiona Mactaggart, Karen Buck, Cathie Jameson, Nia Griffith, .....

      You can see them all and more here:

      See link to

      We even saw a meally-mouthed criticism of Israel from Jack Straw - he whom Condoleezza Rice thought too much susceptible to pressures from his Muslim constituents.

      The tide has turned in the UK - next hopefully Australia.

  • First they came for the Palestinians . . .
    • Michael Leunig is a national treasure. I am proud to live in the same city and occasionally frequent the same cafes. As recent threads here have indicated the Zionists have so much power over the media in Australia, and yet this wonderfully talented human being can still touch the masses.

      His Wikipedia page is worth a read:

      link to

  • Caltech prof says Israeli scientist passed NASA rocket secrets to his government
    • I agree with your last sentence - she should have reported it to the federal agency, but I cannot see how this potential crime by Dr Gat can be ignored or result in a "discreet settlement". If the article is correct, a federal offence has been committed and the FBI has a duty to investigate it and bring it before the courts. The question is not whether this is a national security risk, it is whether ITAR regulations have been breached and on the evidence presented that does seem to be the case. Discussion of the research, as Dr Gat has apparently done, with a non-US national (or perhaps dual national) with no involvement in the program is contrary to the regulations - period!

      There is no generic ITAR waiver even for countries like Australia and the UK and this has been the subject of much diplomatic activity over such programs as the Joint Strike Fighter.

      The Wikipedia page is pretty good in explaining this:

      link to

    • And if she told the university administration, they should have told her to talk to the State Dept. Violators of ITAR regulations can personally receive very significant fines and prison sentences. By not discussing with the appropriate federal agency, to my non-legal mind Dr Troian and the Caltech administrators are both accessories to a possible crime.

      According to this:

      link to

      lack of detailed knowledge of the legality or otherwise of the conduct is not a defense.

    • I believe that Dr Troian is personally responsible in this situation. If she believes there was a breach of ITAR regulations "on her watch", nothing her institution would or would not do will protect her. She should have, at once, notified the State Dept in addition to her university administration. I agree, Walid, that she should have signed the affidavit if it represented her understanding of the situation.

    • @Qualtrough: This is not "top secret" as far as I can see or even "secret". It is ITAR restricted. A US national does not need a clearance to work on such a project, but as I said above, non-US nationals/permanent residents need to have a waiver. And those on the project are precluded from allowing such information to fall into the hands of non-US nationals.

    • @ritzl: Violation of ITAR regulations even by US nationals can result in very hefty fines and/or long prison sentences. And it is a personal responsibility - not an institutional one as far as I am aware - there is no defence of "I was just doing what I was required to do by the institution." Who knows what would happen to a non-US national engaging in such activities.

      Re your point about "Jewish candidate with an Israeli bent" That is an interesting question - if you might end up as the meat in the sandwich (or is it the ham in the matzah) between federal authorities and your university administration, it might be better not to collaborate with such a colleague.

    • Unfortunately, David, the support by Australian representatives for Israeli lawlessness is stronger than ever. It was an ex-representative (former Foreign Minister, Bob Carr) who voiced support for Palestine, and he has been slapped down by the current representatives and the Australian media - including the use of the "a-s" word.

    • @ivri: As is indicated in this NASA manual, NASA works at various levels of security clearance.

      link to

      As to sharing of confidential information, that is true but only up to a point.

      link to
      To quote:
      "Despite inarguable ties between the U.S. and its closest ally in the Middle East and despite statements from U.S. politicians trumpeting the friendship, U.S. national security officials consider Israel to be, at times, a frustrating ally and a genuine counterintelligence threat."

      Finally this appears to be an ITAR issue - not a military security issue. The ITAR program:

      link to

      is run out of the State Dept, not the Defense Dept. ITAR applies to exports of certain kinds of materiel and expertise to any foreign entities - whether they be Israeli, British, Australian, Canadian or ...

      There are many programs in US Universities that are ITAR restricted. Non-US nationals/permanent residents working on them have to have an ITAR waiver, under which they agree not to pass information to other non-nationals. Dr Gat would have signed such an agreement before being allowed to work on an ITAR restricted program.

  • 'We will make soap out of you!': Violent right-wing protest against Jerusalem art exhibit reflects rising anti-democratic tide in Israel
    • The atrocities of the Jewish Holocaust were bad enough, their exaggeration is unnecessary:

      link to

      "But Diane Saltzman, director of the collections division of the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., is highly skeptical that the shade is human skin. Despite the reports, not one has been found."

      “None of the lampshades that have surfaced over the past 50 years have ever turned out to be real,” Saltzman said. “There is no proof that this practice has ever occurred.”

  • Sea change down under: Ex-Australian Foreign Minister announces himself a 'Friend of Palestine'
    • Since this thread seems to still be alive, I will link to an earlier MW discussion about the power of the lobby in Australia:

      link to

      There is a very interesting comment from Arie Brand.

    • Reply to ivri:

      So "Center-left' does not mean center-left, and "New World" does not mean New World. Please send us your dictionary, ivri.

    • Good piece lysias! I still contend that if Rudd had not made some enemies in other directions he *might* have been able to resist the Zionist onslaught.

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