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  • Boycott, from within and without
    • The entire comment of Raphael is based on misconceptions. People of Palestine would not, unlike Zionists, have regarded themselves as belonging to a tribe. Palestine was a multicultural but cohesive society arising from its rich history, and including not only Muslims, but Jews, Druze, Christians. and other groups. Here is a quote from Middle East Reality Check (MERC) today that paints a very different view than Raphael's of pre-Zionist Palestine and the threat the Palestinians saw from the Zionists. They were not wrong to be afraid.

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      "The Zionist objectives, both immediate and distant, were... well-known to the Arabs in Palestine and the neighbouring countries. In the spring of 1914 a Russian member of the Zionist Executive, Nahum Sokolow, complained in an interview with the Palestine correspondent of the Cairo newspaper al-Muqattam that the Palestinian and Syrian Arab hostility to Zionism was unjustified. The Arabs and the Jews were two branches of the Semitic tree; they co-operated in the fields of science and learning especially in Spain and contributed together to the European renaissance; the Jews were returning to their ancient homeland from which they were expelled by the Romans and the Crusaders; they bring with them the means of developing the country; they wish to come close to Arab civilisation and cooperate with the Arabs for the creation of a new Palestinian civilisation; they wish to revive their Hebrew language and establish their own schools in which the Arabic language and history would be taught.

      "Sokolow was tackled by Rafiq al-Azm, the well-known Syrian historical writer and member of the Decentralisation Party. He agreed that as two Semitic cousins the Arabs and Jews ought to cooperate in reviving the glory of the Semitic civilisation, that Palestine with the rest of Syria required development, and that Jewish immigrants, coming from a more civilised environment, possessed skills that could be employed for the benefit of the country. But he regretted to see no evidence in Palestine that Jewish immigrants wished to unite with the Arabs in an effort to raise the standards of all its inhabitants, or that they wished to come close to the Arabs in any way. In fact they lived in complete isolation: they speak only their own languages; their children attend only their own schools; all their business is with Jewish firms; they organise a separate economy and they ignore local government and its laws; and above all they stubbornly refuse to abandon their foreign nationality and adopt the Ottoman.

      "They must not be surprised if for these reasons the Arabs regard them as an alien people, and a foreign element interjected into their society. And this is the root cause of Arab apprehension regarding their economic and political future. For the present they feared and suffered from the competition of immigrants coming from more civilised environments. For the future they saw the political implications and feared for the eventual loss of their homeland.

      "Sokolow's words were belied by these facts. If the Jews continued to lead a separate life in Palestine and to labour only for their own benefit, they must expect Arab hostility. 'To-day', the writer warns, 'the Syrian public opinion is unanimous in opposing Zionism.' The opposition in Palestine itself was led by young and educated men. News had just been received in Cairo that they sent telegrams of protest to Constantinople pointing out the dangers of Zionism and criticising the conduct of the Zionists in Palestine.

      "It is clear that the writer had contact with unnamed Zionist leaders. 'We advised them', he writes, 'to cooperate with the Arabs for the benefit of a common homeland as native Syrians, not as foreigners waiting for an opportunity to take it for themselves...' He states that among the measures he recommended was not only the teaching of Arabic in Jewish schools but their opening to Arab children so that Arab and Jew could learn to live together. He also recommended that the Jews should share with the Arabs their business and mix with them socially. They should help the less experienced Arabs to learn modern methods. Above all he recommended the adoption of Ottoman nationality. But, he concludes, all that advice fell on deaf ears." (A.L. Tibawi: Anglo-Arab Relations & the Question of Palestine 1914-1921, 1978, pp 21-22)

  • Netanyahu agonistes
  • The naked racism of 'Save Jewish Jerusalem'
    • eljay:

      Zio-supremacists have also been adamant: – that no-one has a right to tell anyone who is or is not Jewish; – that this or that person is not (sufficiently) Jewish.

      I think that there is a codicil to the effect that Palestinians need not apply.

  • French premier says 'loathing of Jews' is behind BDS
    • Even more appropriate are the last two lines (and surely the most powerful) of "The Second Coming":

      And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
      Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

  • How Eli Lake tricks readers so as to cast realists Walt, Mearsheimer and Freeman as anti-semites
    • What does "the next level" mean? I can't think of anything short of statehood - the 51st state! Add the Star of David to the Stars and Stripes! Imagine that - and subjecting Israel (and Occupied Palestine) to something approaching First World (but not quite there) Federal human rights legislation!

  • A brief history of the 'Nakba' in Israel
    • Great couple of responses Brewer. I've been searching for the Ran Cohen quote for a while - knew about it but searching on the web didn't find it. Thanks for setting the record straight so well. But I notice you didn't mention the various Zionist false flag operations such as the Lavon affair.

  • Vermont artist creates 45-foot 'street comic' telling story of the Nakba
    • And thereby prove to the Palestinians that they indeed have no trustworthy partner for peace. The situation is a tad different. Israel willingly signed up to its borders and it was forced on the Palestinians. I guess the Palestinians have a perfect right by your logic to go on fighting until the last bit of historical Palestine is back in their hands. I think that you're arguing that the German usurpers should be allowed to keep historical France.

  • Human Rights group: Gaza power crisis has led to death of 29 Palestinians, mostly children, since 2010
    • I think you're saying that Israel is, for whatever reason, sociopathic, Antidote. It should be treated as such.

  • 'Either Assad or we'll burn the country' - An excerpt from 'Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War'
    • @DeBakr

      Certainly a far smaller proportion of the population of Syria have voiced their disapproval of Assad than the proportion of the population of historical Palestine that have voiced their disapproval of the Zionist regime. But I guess democracy only works when it gives you the answer you want.

      I invite you to go to a less pro-Ziocon biased website than the ones where you are getting your information about Syria. How about here.

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    • Hmmm! I mentioned "brutal dictator", "tyrant", "dictatorial regime" as key words to determine where the person is coming from. Now I add "Franco".

    • And many Australians, like myself, condemn our country's stance on Syria. I write to the government funded broadcaster - the ABC - about its coverage of the conflict and the "experts" (such as SOHR) they rely on for "news" and opinions. If you're in Australia, I hope you do too.

      Tim Anderson is a hero and has suffered for his honesty and integrity. Australia is at least as much a Zionist stronghold as the US or Canada.

    • But brianct, this article has enabled many of us to point out its falsehoods and hypocrisy and to link, like you have, to alternative versions of the Syrian story.

      This article is a pile of s**t but we're able to say so and others are able to read our criticisms. Similar articles are posted every week in my local MSM, but there I have no opportunity to set the record straight. I complain but they ignore me. I am heartened by the comments here by just, Brewer, Danaa, Annie, and others. Truth will out - eventually.

    • @Brewer Took the words out of my mouth, just! Absolutely agree with you, Brewer. Barrel bombs were such an absurd notion - I wonder which PR expert was paid to invent that term. Or maybe it was the so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a one-man operation based in Coventry, UK.

    • Thanks Just! I take a more cynical view, When you look at what the Assad government did prior to 2011, you realise why he had to go. As to MSM. I look forward to reading in my local such any article on Syria that does not use one of the terms "brutal dictator", "tyrant", "dictatorial regime". When I see those words, I know where they are coming from and tend to switch off.

      Check out the contributors here.

    • Here's a site that does its best to find out the truth about the war crimes of all factions:

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    • @Merlot

      "To ignore Assad's actions is reprehensible" I agree!

      I will post a translation from the French of the link I posted earlier. From Off-Guardian. It's a great piece.

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      The Crimes of Bashar Al-Assad since June 2000:

      Construction and restoration of 10,000 mosques and 500 churches.
      Construction and restoration of 8,000 schools, 2,000 institutes and 40 universities.
      Construction of more than 600,000 flats / housing for young people.
      Construction and modernization of more than 6,000 hospitals and clinics.
      Establishment of five international industrial areas.
      Opening of Syria in 60 international banks.
      Opening of Syria 5 telecommunications operators (Internet service providers and GSM).
      Licenses for 20 independent newspapers and magazines and 5 TV stations by satellite.
      Development of performance art, theater, comedy, tragedy. More than 20,000 Syrian actors have achieved Excellence Award.
      Construction and modernization of stadiums and sports halls. Large global reputation Syrian athletes horseback riding, swimming, wrestling, gymnastics and other …
      Salary increases of 300%
      Development and modernization of the Syrian Arab Army.
      The economic situation of Syria is healthy, while the economic crisis affected the world.
      Thousands of new operations: restaurants, hotels, tourist cities, leisure centers, shopping centers, factories …
      The fall in unemployment from 28% to 12% despite the rise in the number of people entering the labor market.
      Connections: electricity, telephone, drinking water and sanitation to more than a million homes and apartments across the country.
      Reimbursement of all debts of the country and increased agricultural and industrial capacity by 600%.
      Development of tourism. Syria was the third most visited Arab countries and the 83th most visited country in the world.
      Syria had only 1% of illiterates. The best score of Asia and Africa.
      Development of public transportation, airports, ports and bus stations and prices are kept low.
      Constitution of thousands of associations for the poor, orphans and the disabled.
      Syria is the most important country in the region, economically, politically, militarily … and Al-Assad is the most influential person.

      I am reminded of the Monty Python sketch about the Romans in Palestine:

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  • Advice to British leftwingers on kicking racism out of their anti-Israel rhetoric
    • I am fairly convinced that most of the critics of Livingstone were part of the "Je suis Charlie" brigade.

      “The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink”
      ― George Orwell, 1984

    • In fact, Livingstone did not even say "Hitler supported Zionism" and what he did say in that regard was taken out of context. What Livingstone actually said was "Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism – this before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

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      Since Zionism's objective was, and still is, that "Jews should be moved to Israel", there is absolutely nothing in this that anyone could object to unless they were out to make trouble.

  • Israeli journalist Derfner succinctly analyzes the anti-Semitism vs. anti-Zionism debate
    • Avraham Burg:

      "Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centres of Israeli escapism. They consign themselves to Allah in our places of recreation, because their own lives are torture. They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated."

      But you knew that, didn't you Hophmi? You've been told it many, many times. What amazes me is that so many of them are not "washed in hatred" but manage, despite all of the provocations, to turn the other cheek. Perhaps we should ask the Christian-Zionists, which side Christ would be on.

  • Netanyahu and Sen. Leahy tangle over Israel's killing of Hadeel Hashlamoun, 18
    • One of my favourite verses of WBY. I worry that the "Mere anarchy" loosed upon the world will be the Samson Option.

      The last four lines seem to augur the current crop of presidential candidates.

  • Suicides on the rise in Gaza
    • I totally agree rugal_b. Let's see Israal treat Palestinians like Australia treats its native people. Let's start with full voting rights for everyone in Israel and the occupied territories irrespective of ethnicity and religion. Then how about an apology to all Palestinians, acknowledgement that Israel is build on Palestinian land, native title legislation, a Palestinian cultural heritage preservation act, and social justice for Palestinans.

      This is a good read - from the Australian Government

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  • Why I support a one state solution and still consider myself a Zionist
  • Small victories
    • Definition of "jew" - like Her Majesty it changes from day to day. The definition is whatever the Zionists find convenient for their current attempt at hasbara.

  • Denouncing Iran deal, Democratic Rep. Maloney mixes up Asia and Africa
    • You're not suggesting that our representatives have other motivations , are you, Roha? Surely you jest. But the important factor was that it made the ABC!

    • Talking of Australia - off topic but interesting nonetheless. There's a report on the Australian ABC about a visit by Australian Government Ministers to Ramallah.

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      It seems our beloved government believed the stories put around by the Australian MSM about I/P and came face-to-face with the truth. Ouch!

  • To the next 'NYT' Jerusalem chief -- Here is your job description
    • Oh I really hope she tries Steve. Take it to court. Please!!!

    • Of course they prefer the Palestinians leave. They don't like to clean up the mess - the body parts and blood. And they could tell the world and their consciences that they left of their own accord so it's ok to take their property. Isn't that what they've always done?

    • @John O: I didn't realise that the two Cockburns were brothers till now. Patrick is a class act. One of the few Western correspondents worth reading on the ME. I read this recently:

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      @JWalters: Friedman a "lawyer"? If he were arguing in court he would lose every time! No - he's just another hasbarist like I see at MW every day. Unlike them, though, he does not have to face the savage rebuttals of the wonderful regulars here.

  • Israel gets to use violence. Palestinians don't. That's the rule
    • @RZ I'm sure the Palestinians would be willing (maybe not overjoyed) to split along the lines of the borders that Israel signed up to when its statehood was accepted by the UN. In fact they've said they will accept far less. But far less is not enough - the Zionists want it all. There is no split. It's all under the control of Israel. When are they going to abide by their UN agreed borders?

  • The idea that people living under violent military occupation must be instructed in nonviolence is problematic
    • You talk about the surrender of the Tibetans, Zaid, but the situation in Palestine is different. I've often wondered what would happen if the Palestinians said loudly and in unison to the Israelis "We surrender". What would Israel do? Israel actually does not want surrender; it wants departure - alive or dead. That is the only rational conclusion one can come to from the words and actions of the Zionists. The Germans surrendered at the end of WW2 and look at them now. The Japanese surrendered at the end of WW2 and look at them now. The South surrendered to the North at the end of the US Civil War and they seem largely to be doing fine now. The French surrendered to the Germans during WW2 and look at them now. Even the Aztecs were able to convert to be saved from the excesses of the Spanish colonists - not an option for the Palestinians. In effect the Palestinians have been in a state of surrender with short outbreaks of resistance very like the Vichy period in France (with the PA playing the role of the Vichy government) but for much longer. Israel is often likened on MW to a colonial state but it is, in fact, much worse. In reality Israel wants the native people to either leave, or die.

  • Karmah Elmusa rocks Elle Magazine
    • Agreed MDM -

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      Read the entire article to see names of more former and existing BBC employees who are openly pro=Zionist.

      Imagine the uproar if a BBC employee signed a letter in support of Palestinians. The BBC has totally lost me for news.

      Talking of comments - if you want a laugh (I laughed anyway) - go and read the comments here:

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      They make the local hasbarists appear relatively sane. I use the word "relatively" advisedly. I

  • Letter to J.K. Rowling: For the sake of all Palestinian children who love Harry you need to say their lives matter
    • There are several interesting articles on the Independent in the last few days. This from a couple of days ago:

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      And this is linked to from the Independent:

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      where she seems to be trying to have her cake and eat it. I think this is the statement Annie discussed above - but good to see referenced in a UK outlet.

      Off-topic and much more interesting (I'm not a fan of HP) is the statement by the wonderful Gerald Kaufman, who has said what we all knew but were too afraid to say.

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      A while ago I did a crude analysis in a comment or two on MW of the power of the Jewish vote (if indeed such a tribal identity exists as a political entity - I'd prefer to say Zionist vote) in the UK in response to a claim by one of the resident hasbaristas that it had a significant effect on the last UK election - it didn't and indeed could it. But Zionist money could!

  • Two establishment Jews (Harvard and Microsoft) endorse boycott of Israel and 'single state' in Washington Post
    • The dateline on that article in the Christian Science Monitor is December 2002. The cost to the US blew out since then in everything you mentioned Boomer plus Syria, Of course this issue was not picked up by the rest of the MSM. I'd hazard a guess that the cost is now in excess of $20,000 per person.

  • State Dep't slams Netanyahu's Hitler story as 'inflammatory' and against 'scholarly evidence'
    • Lots more reading. Thanks Zofia. Impressive. I've been missing the amazingly detailed comments by you and Hostage. Write more often!

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  • State Department forced to retract statement suggesting Israel incites violence
    • Next question? Though I didn't know the last Chinese Emperor - bad - so no extra credits. And I was in a two minds about Schroedinger's cat.

  • NPR fails to mention occupation-- while Barghouti says in Guardian it is 'root cause' of violence
  • Iran Deal coalition breaks apart, and J Street looks more and more like AIPAC
    • @RoHa - confirming:

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      This is not about whether sanctions are removed from Iran; that genie is already out of the bottle. It is about whether the US unilaterally sanctions Iran and then one has to ask which country is being sanctioned. I'm not even sure whether my normally supine government will join in.

    • It is becoming clearer in the light of the US response to the Russian air strikes that the CIA was supporting Jabhat al Nusra too. I enjoyed this:

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      Israël a vivement protesté auprès de Moscou de cet incident mais les russes ont exigé des explications sur la présence d’avions de combat israéliens en plein espace aérien syrien. Cet incident indique que la protection de l’espace aérien syrien est désormais sous la protection de l’arme aérienne russe. Ce qui cause des grincements de dents à Washington.

      Google will translate. [Israel has strongly protested to Moscow this incident but the Russians demanded an explanation for the presence of Israeli fighter planes full Syrian airspace. This incident indicates that the protection of Syrian airspace is now under the protection of the Russian air force. Causing gnashing of teeth in Washington.]

    • I will say this once more. The Iran deal is a done deal! The US can choose not to be part of it but Russia, the EU, and China will just keep trading with Iran.

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      These countries are not going to reverse their positions. If the US wants to miss out on significant overseas trade then I'm sure Russia, China, and the EU will be more than happy to go along with that.

  • To condemn, or not to condemn
    • “Analytic and Algebraic Topology of Locally Euclidean Metrization of Infinitely Differentiable Riemannian Manifold”

      1. The topology is inherent in the Riemannian manifold and the metrization is irrelevant to it.
      2. All Riemannian manifolds possess a locally Euclidean metric.
      3. Not clear what analytic topology means here but if things like convergence, compactness, connectedness these are pretty trivial in this context too.

      Tom Lehrer is a statistician - not a pure mathematician.

  • Netanyahu's 44 seconds of silence at UN are being widely mocked -- 'pathetic,' 'creepy'
    • @RoHa: "sagaciouis politician". I smell an uncooked crustacean.

    • If only Roha! Unfortunately the broadcasting organisation that you and I both pay for - the Australian ABC - thinks that Putin is Satan incarnate. The vitriol on the ABC these days about Russia, Putin, and Al Assad, is very apparent.

  • 'NYT' piece on stonethrowing leaves out 'occupation'
    • @JWalters - And I guarantee that when the shift happens - as it will - the same pundits who were actively participating in the trashing of freedom of speech and democracy in honour of the great god Israel will be in the MSM disavowing any involvement in it.

  • Settlers gawk as Palestinian woman lies dying at checkpoint (Update)
  • The Obama administration needs to own up to the quagmire in Syria
  • Fasting for Palestine
    • It's sickening! These excuses for people have lost their humanity. Fortunately (if there can ever be a positive side to something like this) it made the headlines in RT. I won't hold my breath waiting for it to make it to the front page of the BBC or for that matter the Australian ABC.

  • Which nation spends more on its military: Iran or Israel?
    • Yes DeBakr - totally agree, I don't understand why the Germans and Japanese keep complaining about our colonisation of their countries. After all they were defeated by us - and in Germany's case twice. Why don't they just negotiate with us? We could let them keep a North Rhine-Westphalia - they can all go and live there. Oh, wait a minute ...

  • 'New Yorker' says anti-Zionism is 'firmly rooted' in British left, and it's anti-Semitic
    • It seems - according to RT - that the British Government has rejected the Netanyahu petition, stating that under international law heads of government are immune. The commenters, by and large, realise this is a lie. As one said, "Would Assad be immune?".

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    • @RoHa I think it would be better to append your September signature.

    • You too can go to the site, ivri - here it is. It's does not have a password only known to anti-Zionists.

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      It is still getting signatures albeit a little more slowly since it hit 110000. It's now at 112009. Scary for who? Netanyahu? Good! Perhaps he is safer to stay home. Of course, Corbyn is only so far elected to be Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition. However, I think the petition and the election of Corbyn will make the Prime Minister think think twice before issuing another invitation in the near future. Sara will have to do her Harrods and Fortnum and Mason shopping by mail. And I suspect other countries - leaving aside the US of course - will take note.

    • @piotr: "anti-colonialist strain of Socialism (which in Britain was never truly Marxist)"

      Morgan Phillips - one-time General Secretary of the Labour Party: "The Labour Party owes more to Methodism than to Marx."

    • And Richard Crossman - an interesting story here:

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    • Wilson was brainwashed, as I was at that time. At the time, I saw Israel as some kind of socialist utopia because we weren't told about how it had been achieved and the realities of the Nakba. Palestinians didn't exist in the information sources we read at the time. I don't believe Wilson would be a Zionist knowing what we know now.

    • The British paper of record? The Times - Rupert Murdoch - say no more!

    • Hi John O

      I did a brief and not too deep demographic study of the effect of the Jewish vote in the UK a while back on MW. The nub is that its loss cost Labour, at most, one seat.

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      And I didn't study the effect on the Muslim vote - which might have gained them quite a few seats. Jews are largely concentrated in a few safe (Labour or Conservative) constituencies in and around London and Manchester. SNP, which has nailed its colours to the mast on Palestine, did very well in Scotland.

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    • The edit facility has disappeared but I'd like to add to the list "Northerners" around 200 years before the massacre of York:

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      when many thousands of people were killed for the sin of living in the North of England.

    • As someone who knows both countries well, I totally agree, Krauss, that Australia's Zionist lobby is much stronger than in the UK - in fact, essentially in total control of Australian ME policy and public awareness. There are no Corbyns or Galloways in Australia - at least they never appear in the media. And the BBC - bad as it is - is not nearly as all-embracing of the Zionist viewpoint as the ABC.

      I don't see what the massacre of York - vile as it was - has anything to do with this. It happened nearly 500 years before the US became a nation and 200 years before America was discovered by Columbus. At that time England was a profoundly religious Catholic country.

      There were also massacres of Protestants, Catholics, Danes, Druids, Scots, academics, royalists, anti-royalists, MacDonalds, strikers, ...

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  • Israeli soldiers raid Al Aqsa courtyard, attack worshipers
    • As long as you regard it as fun I see no harm in it. I worry that it could be used for more nefarious purposes.

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      And indeed it is the place to discuss DNA - or its misuse!

    • I am very suspicious of this methodology, Kate. It seems not nearly enough samples to reliably infer this kind of statement - given the complex mix and the fact that they are inferring information about a single person - you! At best you have a statistical estimate of your ancestry and, in the circumstances, the confidence level would have to be fairly low. British (and particularly Scottish) DNA is very similar to Irish, for instance. This paper raises a number of concerns along these lines.

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    • I'm intrigued. What does 45% Irish according to DNA mean? The Irish - as most people in that general area - are a mix of Pre-Celts, Celts, Spanish, Basques, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, Vikings, Romans, ....

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      Incidentally, I'm 1/8th Irish in the sense that my great-grandfather was born in Ireland.

  • Iran Deal's liberation: Judaism is not Zionism
    • Have to agree with RoHa, Citizen. We've just joined the Syrian turkey shoot - or is it the Turkey Syrian shoot? Admittedly the UK did join the US in this first, but we did it more obsequiously.
      Wilson did a great job in keeping UK out of Vietnam unlike the other Harold - "All the way with LBJ" - and look what happened to him in the end.

  • 'NYT' misrepresents Iran's prediction about 'Zionist regime' to mean 'Israel'
  • Video: Palestinian man's desperate moments as he is attacked by illegal Jewish colonists
    • Since I can never be sure in Australia whether a product is from the Israeli settlements or from Israel, I adopt the failsafe position. Unfortunately, at least one of our two local supermarket chains (there are only two!) resorts to subterfuge:

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  • Update: UK petition calling for Netanyahu to be arrested for war crimes reaches 100,000 signatures
    • Great news!

    • It's about forcing them out into the open, Bumblebye, Just keep up the pressure - big demonstrations and keep signing. And write to the media with Hostage's response to the UK government lies.

    • People in the UK are being besieged by headlines about the refugee crisis - as they should. In the midst of this, they see a statement from Netanyahu that he will take no Syrian refugees - not even the Palestinian ones. I think this might have impacted the rate of signing of the petition, which grew significantly over Sunday.

    • Gerald Kaufman - wonderful! Couldn't be a better choice. RoHa has cited his wonderful speech during Cast Lead. Here is another:

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    • Yes Pixel - "new day in truth and justice" - I have that feeling too. We can, in large part, thank the internet. I don't know if you caught what went on in Melbourne a few days ago. The "Australian Border Force" announced that it would "question any individual it crossed paths with" on the streets of Melbourne CBD to determine if they have a valid visa - apparently asking for papers whereas visas are, these days, typically electronic. Within a matter of a few hours it was all over. Via social media, a big demonstration was mounted and the ABF had to retract. Big Brother may be watching but he has Big Momma to contend with.

    • Great! Now I can go and do some gardening!

    • Only 39 to go and picking up speed again. Morning has broken in UK.

    • The NHS workers will be too busy dealing with the results of brawls involving the Saturday night drunks. It has slowed down - wait till tomorrow morning, UK time.

    • The Brits are going to bed - I don't see it making 100000 until tomorrow morning their time - 8 or 9 hours. Well done, Damian and colleagues.

  • Debacle for the Israel lobby: Booker jilts Boteach, and Netanyahu sinks AIPAC
    • Apparently Netanyahu says that Israel is "too small" to accept refugees. Perhaps Mooser can enlighten us on the superhuman capacity of the Jews of France that Netanyahu wants to emigrate to Israel to occupy no space!

  • National Public Radio annexes West Bank to Israel
    • O/T but exciting news - the petition to arrest Netanyahu for war crimes when he visits the UK this month is just about to pass 98000 signatures - only 2000 to go before it needs to be considered for debate in parliament.

  • Vicious 'NYT' article attacks Palestinian for bending rules to get out of Gaza 'to see her children'
    • This morning the Australian ABC had a report that a NYT editorial had criticized Australia's asylum seeker policy, which has tightened recently against people arriving on boats. I have not read the editorial, but it seems that our PM has been busy today defending his policy against this attack. While I personally have some empathy with the NYT position on this, I doubt very much if I would see an editorial in the NYT being critical of the much more severe asylum seeker policy of its favourite country.

  • The 'Pallywood' smear: Viral images of Palestinian boy's brutalization brings backlash
    • Just clicked over 93000. Seems to have picked up momentum again but the Brits have been having a long weekend.

  • Minnesota Congresswoman demands accountability for Nakba Day killings
    • Is living under occupation anything other than a sad way to spend a childhood, Jackdaw?

      And if cameras are the only weapons in the hands of the Palestinians that won't result in a "disproportionate response" from the IDF then so be it. The Palestinians are being occupied and are entitled to resist. What if the Israeli soldier is ridiculed? He has no right to be there.

    • Are you saying that the soldier wasn't real, Jackdaw? If he wasn't, then why is the IDF seeking to arrest the Tamimi family? If he was, then it is the IDF that is doing the repeat performance.

    • I posted about the Labour/Conservative Friends of Israel a few weeks ago. Unless figures have changed in the interim, about 80% of Conservative MPs are CFoI and less than 50% of Labour MPs are LFoI. I'd prefer to see 0% and 0%, but Labour is doing slightly better than the Tories. And under Jeremy ....

    • I haven't looked at either article but don't expect the so-called left media in the UK to be pro-Palestinian. Look at the Guardian for example. The "New Labour" Party - faux lefties like Blair - is terrified of the real left like Corbyn and Galloway. The Mirror and Mail are both sleazy tabloids - both pushed even further down-market by the dreadful Murdoch "The Sun" and its "Page 3 Girls" in the 1970s and have never recovered. The Mirror was owned by Robert Maxwell before he met his watery end having stolen the pension fund of his employees, and Piers Morgan was its editor for a while.

    • Mirror is supposedly left and Mail is definitely right.

  • A year after Shipman lost his Yale job for speaking out on Israel's actions, some Jews say the same thing
  • Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel clarifies position on campaign to cancel Matisyahu show
  • 51 Christian faith leaders urge Congress to vote for Iran Deal
    • I've been musing recently on the parallels between the role of religious authorities of various kinds in Israel and the US re policiies of the State of Israel, and that of the Dutch Reformed Church (Nederduitse Gereformeerde Kerk - NGK) in South Africa under Apartheid. These three citations tell the story of the latter:

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      The message ought to be clear.

  • Hockenberry skewers Menendez for double standard on Israeli nukes and killings of civilians
    • Now over 81860 - 150 in last half hour!

    • O/T but Damian Moran now has 81,710 signatures for his petition to arrest Netanyahu for war crimes on arrival in the UK in September.

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      Only 18,290 more needed to be considered for debate in Parliament.
      It seems to be going up rapidly now - perhaps as a result of it getting some visibility on RT.

  • Omar Barghouti on Matisyahu: 'Perfectly reasonable to oppose performance by any bigot'
    • William Jacobson is the guy who rebroadcast the Marie Brenner Vanity Fair fairytale. Good to know your sources, hophmi.

  • 'New York Review of Books' offers Israel as a model to US on targeted killings and detention for terrorists
    • This is pretty damning! I wonder what Ms Brenner's students at Columbia would say about such a piece of journalism. From the Telegraph article:

      But there are no images or sound recordings to back up Ms Brenner’s published claims, police say, and Jewish groups in Paris have joined them in describing them as untrue.

      The police spokesman also invited Brenner to produce the "dozens of pictures" of people making Nazi-style salutes outside the Hyper-Cacher supermarket.

      A spokesman for the US magazine said: "We stand by our story."

      Ms Brenner did not respond to requests for comment.

      A quick online search showed no independent sources - Pamella Geller had a piece based on the original article, as did William Jacobson, and Australia's own Andrew Bolt.

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      There is a photo in Ms Brenner's piece with a conveniently placed swastika on the Marianne statue. Hmmm!

  • Over 1,000 Black activists, scholars and artists sign statement supporting freedom and equality for Palestinian people
  • 'NYT' gives new life to old propaganda -- Terror Tunnels from Gaza
    • I don't have a map of where the tunnels are, but did they cross the boundaries that Israel agreed under the Partition Plan? Perhaps talknic could help.

  • Leading Israeli journalist says Israel is an Apartheid state
  • A Tale of Two Beaches: Tel Aviv and Gaza
    • I know from some people, now dead, but once very close to me about alcoholism. I don't need to be lectured on it. And what makes you think he has a family? Do you think he would have a different perspective on I/P if he were sober - or just less likely to post?

    • And what would be the response in the MSM if a drunken Palestinian said "Death to the Jews" publicly. If Grover posts drunk here then I have no compunction in responding.

    • I wonder if Steve Grover would have had a similar response about the Jewish resistance to the Warsaw Ghetto as he does to the Palestinian response to the Gaza Prison Camp.

  • Saban says Iran Deal is a done deal, as Netanyahu and Bush play for 2016
  • In latest thrust at Obama, Netanyahu names UN ambassador who trashed him and said Palestinians can have 'Facebook state'
    • The sun is shining outside, the cherry tree is in blossom, and Mark Regev is Israeli Ambassador to the UK. Oh what a beautiful morning! Made my day - probably Jon Snow's too.

    • Sorry Annie - posted before I saw yours. My sentiments exactly. This will be Ireland deja vu. Great news.

    • Regev ambassador to UK? Wonderful! The more exposure the better. Many people of the UK are aware of Regev and know him to be a scumbag - his whining performance in front of Jon Snow was classic. Just imagine him trying to excuse the next Israeli atrocity to the British government and news media. This really drives home how out of touch Netanyahu and his government are with the rest of the world and helps undermine UK support for Israel's actions. Look at how the Israeli Embassy in Ireland distinguished itself last year. I would have thought that the phone lines between the Zionist Cameron and Netanyahu should be running hot!

  • AIPAC spending estimated $40 million to oppose Iran Deal
    • You seemed in your earlier comment Schipper to be arguing that countries without constitutions are good and those with them are bad. Then talknic pointed out to you that the Zionists promised a written constitution and reneged on it (along with many other promises). You don't seem to have responded to that in your latest comment. Please tell me why what talknic said is a crackpot argument. Are you saying that the rest of the world ought to have understood all the time that the Zionists were never going to deliver on their promises? Did they have their fingers crossed at the time?

  • Someone Else’s Normal: The Dawabshe tragedy and picturing Palestine
  • Roundtable on the Palestinian solidarity movement and Alison Weir
    • I have the following story on very good authority. It concerns a Jewish visitor to a university belonging to a branch of the Christian religion that was strictly anti-alcohol. No liquor was allowed on campus - period! A Jewish visitor persuaded the authorities to allow him and his fellow Jews to celebrate Passover in a large room used for Christian services on campus - because after all we are all "people of the book". Needless to say he did not disclose the nature of his celebrations, and the adherents to that form of Christianity would never have guessed it. He took some pride in the fact that he had managed to "pull the wool over their eyes". Both my story and that of mcohen are isolated stories and need to be treated in that way - no generalizations!

    • Hear, f***ing, hear, Danaa!

    • Well at least Yasmin is hitting back!


      Liz Kendall said at a meeting organised by Corbyn that Ed Miliband and Labour should not have recognised the Palestinian state – a Zionist position. This is one reason why I think Kendall should categorically not lead the Labour Party. Like Tony Blair, she defends the indefensible.

      I seriously hope that this does not become the focus of the debate over Corbyn.

  • 'Bernie, what about justice 4 Palestine?'
    • Or note that 80% of current Conservative MPs belong to Conservative Friends of Israel. Labour is not much better. But if Corbyn is elected leader it might change.

  • Israeli Banks flipping out over looming European boycott
    • So jon s is called out - as is almost always the case with hasbarats coming to this site. But does he give an apology? No way! Zionism means never having to say you're sorry.

    • Great reply eljay! The ball's in your court, jon s! Alison Weir is in trouble for going on radio programs hosted by people who might, apparently, be bigots. Organisers of music festivals are in trouble for disinviting people who might, apparently, be bigots. Damned if you do; damned if you don't.

    • Might it have something to do with this:

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    • Now 60k and I've just emailed friends of like mind in the UK to sign. Suggest those of you outside UK with friends there do so too.

    • @ivri: "the last place in the region where the rights of minorities (if not belligerent) are fully protected"

      You know, ivri, I'm beginning to see the humour in your comments.

  • The enemies list
    • Why should she have been sad? If her words and the subsequent press coverage made just one person question the standard hasbara, wasn't that worth it? On the contrary, she should have been proud that she contributed with considerable bravery to the cause of the Palestinian people. The more the Zionists take their revenge - out in the open - the better. The problem is that all too often they get away with doing it surreptitiously. Every Helen Thomas, Steven Salaita, Juan Cole, Norman Finkelstein, event, where the Zionists are forced to flex their muscles publicly, damages them. We're seeing this too over the Iran deal - all the better.

  • It's not bigoted to call out the Israel lobby over Iran Deal
    • Me too but I sold my boat a few years ago. I miss it. As to Israel being a "liberal democracy" the map on this site is interesting. It might have been brought up before here but bears repetition.

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      It suggests that Lebanon (semi-democracy) and Tunisia (democracy) are more democratic than Israel - and Israel is not even the only "democratic facade" in the Middle East.

    • Yes we're lucky to have Annie - but also Haaretz. Where will you read this in US media?

  • Shocker: 'NYT' runs front page press release for AIPAC warning Obama to cool his jets
    • Fallows seems to be arguing that the choice of headline is done hurriedly in the heat of the moment, and is, in some sense, accidental. Call me a conspiracy theorist but, if you toss a coin 1000 times and it comes up heads every time, then I think you need to start questioning the fairness of the coin.

      Jeez, I'm becoming paranoid about the RoHa punctuation patrol!

  • Defying Obama on Iran deal, Schumer cites Hamas
    • @Brewer The contributions of you on the other side of the Tasman to the English language are nothing short of awsome!

    • @RoHa

      Is this what you were referring to?

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      Note the "About Us" of the website, and that it seems to be happy to admit that the Israelis sold US technology to the Chinese, which appears now to be being onsold to Iran.

    • TPP is struggling - talks in Hawaii faltered at the end of last month:

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      There are some serious unresolved issues. NZ (and also Australia) wants more open dairy markets - Canada is resisting.

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      Australia is concerned about the protection it provides for big pharma and about opening the sugar market in the US - if you think the Zionist lobby is strong, you should check out the sugar lobby:

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      And then there's the RCEP:

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    • @just Ravid: "Obama, for his part, isolated Israel and presented it as being outside the international consensus in its attitudes towards Iran. Netanyahu, on the other hand, caused the Jewish community, against its will, to become part of the problem, while putting it in a difficult ethical dilemma by calling on its members to side with the Israeli prime minister in his fight against the nuclear agreement being promoted by the U.S. president, for whom the vast majority of U.S. Jews voted."

      So Obama is in trouble with Israel for stating a fact that Israel ought to be aware of. Netanyahu (the leader of a foreign country), on the other hand, is in equal trouble for seeking to persuade a slice of the population of the US to side with him against its President.
      Yep - that sounds like they're equally at fault. (sarcasm emoticon needed!)

      Just substitute any other country for Israel to realize how ridiculous this sounds to a non-American.

  • Obama tells Americans it is 'abrogation of my constitutional duty' to defer to Israel on Iran Deal
    • You're a class act, Hostage! Three outstanding comments on this thread! When I tell others about MW, as I do often, particularly those who believe the lies in the MSM, I always add "And be sure to read "Hostage"". You've said what I've been trying to say, but much more eloquently and cogently.

      The sanctions regime is over. So if the US wants to do anything to Iran (and I can't work out why, in its own interests, it would), it has to be war not continued sanctions. But finding a "coalition of the willing" will be much harder this time - Canada maybe? I'm not even sure they'd get Australia or the UK across the line. From a global perspective, the anti-Iran crowd in the US is well and truly snookered. It would be in Israel's interests too to accept the inevitable and look for alternative ways to achieve its egregious aims.

    • @RoHa: B**ger! It's a fair cop. I plead guilty on all charges.

    • SWIFT on internationalization of RMB:

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      I'm not sure why my last post mentioning RMB was "modded" but as I tried to say then, this is not about the EU - that's not the elephant in the room - it's China. And how would the US blockade trade between Iran and China?

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      Echoing Bandolero, go to China (as I have very recently) and see the VWs, Audis, Mercedes on the roads there - much larger proportion than in Australia.

      A propos your last remark Bandolero. I once heard a phone-in program about Iran in which an Iranian caller said that the US was Iran's greatest friend. When asked why, he said "It has destroyed our two traditional enemies, Iraq and Afghanistan".

    • Thanks for the comment inbound39. I am wondering how this is playing out with your average Joe in the US. I am a frequent visitor, but am not there currently, and in any case, when I'm there, I don't hang round in bars (like the lumberjack - just to confuse Annie) much. I always thought that the Israel-firsters would finally push things too far that that Americans would, despite the efforts of the MSM, begin to ask questions about their congressmen (and women) and the country they are loyal to. Am I right in thinking this might be happening?
      I hope my comment passes the RoHa punctuation test; I worked hard at it.

    • @Kay24 I know he is, and I know you know he is but, since the MSM conveniently forgets to tell the public this, it is important to keep putting the message out.

      In Australia, and I know it's also true in the US, we are constantly being told by "pundits" in the MSM what we should do in the Middle East by people who told the lies that caused many of the current problems.

    • His lies about Iran have been going on far longer than from 2002.

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      Netanyahu 1992: 'Netanyahu advised the Israeli Knesset that Iran was “three to five years” away from reaching nuclear weapons capability'

      Netanyahu 1995 book: '“Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,”'

      Then he decided that it wasn't a good idea to put a fixed time period on it (I wonder why).

      Netanyahu 1996:
      '“If Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons, this could presage catastrophic consequences, not only for my country, and not only for the Middle East, but for all mankind,” adding that, “the deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely close.”'

    • A couple more:

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      And even my own pro-Zionist country, Australia, is getting in on the act:

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    • And if the US tries to prevent trade with Iran by closing access to the banks then this process will just be hastened:

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      The US Congress ought to realize that they are not voting for or against sanctions but for or against US involvement in trade with Iran. And where China and Russia go, the Europeans will not be far behind. They have no loyalty to the US.

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      Although, it looks like – or should logically appear – that Europe is waking up. Even the most stubborn stooges of Washington are gradually seeing the light. Hungary and Poland, historically not great friends of Russia, are wondering whether they might not be better off with the east, rather than licking Obama’s boots. German business is angry about Merkel’s obsessiveness with Washington imposed ‘sanctions’. They see Russia as the trading partner of the future, as it has been until Washington didn’t succeed in Ukraine – today an almost hopeless but still murderous basket case – and wanted to crush Vladimir Putin and his country. Even the spine and brainless Hollande is responding to France’s business – ‘sanctions’ – enough is enough.

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      Even the UK and Australia have joined the AIIB against US wishes.

    • Answering myself and repeating what I have said several times on MW, it's all over! This is not about whether the sanctions on Iran will continue. It is about whether the US will be party to the deal. The other P5+1 countries are heading to Iran in a big way:

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      Let the US miss out on the fun if it wants to. Let it shoot itself in the foot as it has done over the QME - see Bandolero on another thread. The rest of the world will drop the sanctions. Ultimately if the US fails to sign up it will lose - not Israel. Israel will probably break US sanctions in any case - it has done before.

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    • A few remarks in that US News article:

      1. "Israel has a right to develop a nuclear arsenal" But not Iran apparently!

      2. "Iran fights to the last Lebanese, Palestinian, Syrian, Iraqi or Yemeni" And what would be the Western response if Iranian soldiers were on the ground in those countries?

      3. "The Israeli military has demonstrated repeatedly that it is capable of dealing with these threats [Hamas and Hezbollah]" Really? Hezbollah?

      4. "The Iranian deal may be flawed" How? No explanation!

      But I guess it is better than Fox and it is getting the message to a wider audience.

  • The deep roots of vigilante violence in Israeli society
    • @ivri "Hamas and the Gazans spent a decade digging tunnels and filling them with missiles and mortars, which eventually they did use against Israel. I suppose if it was Christ (“Love your enemy”) the reaction was different but people here are not saints – just flesh and blood – and hence the predicted reaction"

      Of course the digging of tunnels had nothing to do with Israel's incessant attacks on Gazans and Palestinians in general. Why indeed should the Palestinians mind a few bombs being dropped. They were peace-loving Israeli bombs after all only meant to destroy everything in their vicinity, not these hate-filled Hamas missiles. Tell us, ivri, how many Israeli civilians were killed using these tunnels? When you put people in a prison camp they build tunnels.

      When Hamas uses fairly primitive missiles to react to Israeli smart guided weapons they are accused of targeting civilians. When they use very precision guided tunnels, they are "terror tunnels". I wonder if Gazans all lined up to be shot by Israel they would be accused of making Israelis feel guilty.

  • Netanyahu will lobby American Jews on deal, calling on alleged loyalty to Jewish state
    • Thanks Bandolero - this is really interesting and quite astounding. What are Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop, etc doing about this?

      Just to be clear, if, say, Egypt buys advanced weapons from Russia, does this law oblige the US to provide weapons to Israel to maintain the QME? Or does the QME law only kick in when the US supplies weapons to other ME states?

    • What is not clear to me Bandolero is whether, if another country provides, say, KSA, with advanced armaments, the US would be obliged to supply Israel armaments to counter them. Or is this only about US arms supplies to other states?

      And then this brings to mind the question, "What happens if the other arms supplier has better weapons than the US has?"

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