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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
hophmi says: "Claims like this are antisemitic."
No, that's a captatio benevolentiae. Imagine a American politician would ask: What has become of us Americans? Once a peace and democracy loving nation - now we attack countries, kill innocents and support Apartheid". He doesn't literally mean Americans as such and he is not Antiamerican. He actually cares for them.
hophmi says: "Except that the goal here is not one country. It’s two."
No, the goal is one state and one controlled bantustan with parts of East Jerusalem not under Palestinian's souvereignity, but only under its administration.
"And that makes a difference when you’re applying an apartheid analogy, which suggests that the conflict is racial or ethnic."
So keeping refugees expelled and denationalized or others live under military law, simply because they are not Jews but Arabs is neither racial nor ethnic?
ivri says: " The insistence to use this propaganda slogan where it does not belong exemplifies the ingenuity of Israel detractors in how they address this conflict."
The insistence to refer to South Africa's Apartheid instead of the Crime of Apartheid as defined by international law exemplifies the ingenuity of Israel apologetics in how they address this conflict. This Apartheid Junta uses "raced"-based laws to block majority`s voting by keeping on part of Nonjews expelled and denationalized.
"Kopty wrote a blog post last year inveighing against a plan to recruit Palestinian Christians into the Israeli military. ... the Israeli police told her she was violating a law against incitement to violence and terrorism, and that they asked for a DNA sample."
Sounds pretty much like a "Jewish democracy".
"Mr. Falk’s attempt to paint himself as the victim of an Israeli government-sponsored defamation campaign, carried out by U.N. Watch, has echoes of classical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories."
Mr. Foxman's attempt to paint the Israeli goverment and its propaganda front ends as the victim of antisemitism has echoes of classical pathological liar disorder.
Hands up who cares any longer about this accusation? I know, I don't.
The Real EUMC Definition of Antisemitism
link to jnews.org.uk
"Gaza youth who earns $8 a day collecting rubble for building materials is shot by soldiers"
According to Israel's goverment he was secretely running a stone factory which products were planned to be used against these soldiers.
Finkelstein's career is dead, because his ideas are.
He did a very important work to spread the view of the conflict as seen by international law, the UN and human rights organisations. We simply cannot underestimate his influence. But people have realized that the two-state-solution isn't viable at all and that the conflict is more adequately described in the Apartheid than in the occupation paradigm. One simply cannot support a human solution, if it doesn't include the rights of the refugees even if this means the end of the Apartheid Junta.
OlegR says: "This is bullshit."
For, he reasons pointedly
That which must not, can not be.
Alicia - Latinate form of Alice, from Old High German Adelheid. Sounds pretty much like Apartheid.
Let's call her Apartheid Keys.
Again, why should she risk her long time companianship with her Jewish manager? I know I wouldn't, if I were her age.
Call it the "two state deception". It has been going since the Peel Commission Partition Plan 1937 considering Ben Gurion's expulsion fantasies.
mondonut says: "... the non-existent RoR ..."
It may not exist in the Kahane continuum. But it is internationally recognized in our universe. Its countless reiterations by the international community has made it customary law.
She sounds exactly like certain Germans who said the same about Jews.
Yeah, German Lefty. Visit Israel. And then visit the refugee camps outside of Israel, not a big deal really.
Oh, and I thought I was being sarcastic and noting that it's actually not a joke considering the career of Jewish terrorists and war criminals like Begin, Shamir or Sharon.
Nonjewish sense of humor.
Mayhem says: "No matter that the scale of murder and torture in so many other countries is 100 times worse, they can only pay attention to every minor incident that involves Israel."
Do you also support murder and torture on this larger scale? Or only if Israel would be involved?
"Olmert jokes being called ‘war criminal’ may restore his reputation in Israel ..."
Where's the joke?!?
mondonut says: "Now why in the world would any security person have suspicions about a tense, enraged, fist clenching teenager covered in sweat and on the edge of losing control?"
I have come to the conclusion that Zionists are mentally incapable of seeing their disgusting behaviour as the primary cause for anything. Would you agree?
Obsidian says: "His memory of this seven year old event is also too keen; as if it happened yesterday."
You forgot to mention that one can only keenly recall atrocities up to seven decades ago, if one has Jewish genes.
BrianEsker says: "It’s obvious that ..."
... you justify child abuse.
Naftush says: "Thrice in recent memory Israel laid offers of Palestinian statehood on the table. The offers included partitioning the Israeli capital, ..."
By statehood you mean Bantustan and by partitioning the Israeli capital you mean putting East Jerusalem only under Palestinian authority, but not souvereignity, right?
"... something unknown in the settling of other conflicts."
Really? There must be another conquerer who relocated his capital into occupied territories. Maybe in the darker ages or even worse?
talknic says: "Only a few people, who’re all over the age of 65 have RoR to what was declared and recognized as Israel 1948"
First of all - regarding your link - the Jews were a slight minority in the recommended territory, not only because JNF's numbers a to low regarding the number of Arabs, but also don't include Bedouins. And the number of refugees within Israel's declared borders are about 595.000.
Secondly. There's no difference between the rights of a refugee and his descendent if the latter was granted same refugee status. For example on the base of familiy reunification, like the UNHCR does. So the descendants with refugee status have the SAME right to return.
Noone in the UN expected the refugee problem to be prolonged over generations. At least not officially.
I wonder why my hint that Keys longtime manager Clive Davis is Jewish and an enemy of black intellectual freedom is not published. It is quite understandable that she's not risking her relationship with him. And the fact that he's an enemy of black intellectual freedom is not because he's Jewish.
Talkback asks: "Obsidian, where is your support for every other regime denying people their right?"
Obsidian says: "I am not a big supporter of Palestinian rights ..."
Well it's quite obvious that you are a racist hypocrit.
yrn says: "The BDS looks like a bunch of Bullies ..."
If they allready look like bullies then what do the oppressor of your beloved Apartheid state look like? Giga fascists?
jon s, where is your support for the Turkish crimes you've listed? Is your support only limited to Israel's crimes and this is "Another example of the hypocritical double standard."?
Obsidian, where is your support for every other regime denying people their right?
Jerome Slater writes: "For many years, defenders of Israeli policies towards the Palestinians--and even some critics of those policies--have complained that Israel is judged by double standards, on the grounds that many worse offenders against human rights receive far less criticism or opprobrium. "
Just ask the Hasbarist why he doesn't support or apologize the worse defenders even more than Israel. ;)
hophmi says: "Of course, it’s a double standard. You want the whole world to welcome Hamas as a negotiating partner."
I don't like double standards. So I want the whole world to welcome the terrorist organisation Israel and it's military wing Hertzl-Zahal-Brigades (in which Irgun and Lehi were dissolved) as negotiationg partner, too. And the members of Hamas should be decorated with military service ribbons like the members of Irgun (Etzl) and Lehi:
link to en.wikipedia.org
And Hamas leaders should also become prime ministers of Palestine, like Begin and Shamir in Israel. Palestine should name most of its streets and places after the facist lover Mufti Mohammad Amin al-Husayni like Israel does with facist lover Jebotinsky.
Oh, Palestine still has a far way to go to become like Israel ...
"When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is trying to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind."
J. Krishnamurti (1895 - 1986)
Djinn says: "So once again Israel wants to eat the cake as well. On the one hand “Judea and Samaria”are part of Israel yet if you visit them you’re in breach of your visa to enter Israel because you ventured to territory that is NOT Israel."
No, you're in breach if you visit the Bantustans of "Eretz Israel" which are administered by Gentiles.
IL1948 says: "It is not very surprising that someone who regularly plays fast and loose with the truth under the guise of journalism would be so blasé about admitting That he blatantly falsified an immigration document."
It is not very surprising that the founder of your beloved Apartheid state admitted that he blatantly and illegaly overstayed in the area, after his tourist visa ran out.
Fidler wrote: "Given the clear slant and bias of the Political Science Department, [CUNY should] develop a plan to ‘level the playing field,’ including the endowment of a chair in the department for a visiting professor from Israel who reflects a more sympathetic view ..."
Poor boy, he seems to be desperate.
"... to the continued PEACEFUL and prosperous existence of the region’s ONLY DEMOCRACY."
HAHAHA, Jewish humor at its best.
RoHa says: "So a Jewish student will be automatically pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian?"
Ask Israel's gene research experts.
hophmi says: "Oh yes, I forgot. You’re for suppressing pro-Israel speech."
It's worse than SUPPRESSING, my dear friend. Hostage's universal and rational arguments make me actually THINK that "pro-Israel speech" is genuinely racist, hypocrit and mostly insane.
This actually worked. Thank you!
Grass also said in the same interview that Mordechai Vanunu send him a post card to thank him for his poem. (20:22 - 20:27)
"The Guatemalan regime had many supporters--the Reagan Administration, the Christian Right, and several other countries, including Israel, Taiwan, and the fascist regimes in Argentina and Chile (see the NYT)."
Axis of ... you know.
Sorry, WE should really focus on helping you, but it is more important TO US to focus on what motivates US to help you. And it simply doesn't help you if WE follow OUR values to help you. I mean how could WE help you, if helping US helps you? And how could WE ever empathise with you, if what are going through remind US of what WE went through?
So you see OUR dilemma? Before we don't help US, there's not way of helping you. Because it's not about US, but about helping you!
(BTW. You know, who WE mean by "US". WE don't want to say the "J-"word, because that fortifies Zionism because of an unexplained short-circuit.)
Did Dershowitz ever defend China's occupation of Tibet Zimbabwe's systematic violations of human rights or South Africa's Apartheid? Or wasn't he paid to do so?
Why not? He was invited to Israel and declined for political reasons.
A very useful article.
I think Geller wants to redefine the meaning of the word so that others think that Israel is not an Apartheid state. Or is she just terribly stupid?
yrn says: "What was before the occupation in 1967, peace and nirvana……"
Besides the ongoing Nakba: Nonjewish citizens of Israel living under the same military law and permit system that Apartheid Israel has exportet beyond the green line after 1967.
yrn: "Well what can I tell you real peaceful coexistence with Jews."
Conclusions from the Palin Report after these riots:
"69. The following are the considered opinions submitted by the Court:
1. That the causes of the alienation and exasperation of the feelings of the population of Palestine are:-
(a) Disappointment at the non-fulfilment of promises made to them by British propaganda.
(b) Inability to reconcile the Allies' declared policy of self-determination with the Balfour Declaration, giving rise to a sense of betrayal and intense anxiety for their future.
(c) Misapprehension of the true meaning of the Balfour Declaration and forgetfulness of the guarantees determined therein, due to the loose rhetoric of politicians and the exaggerated statements and writings of interested persons, chiefly Zionists.
(d) Fear of Jewish competition and domination, justified by experience and the apparent control exercised by the Zionists over the Administration.
(e) Zionist indiscretion and aggression, since the Balfour Declaration aggravating such fears.
(f) Anti-British and anti-Zionist propaganda working on the population already inflamed by the sources of irritation aforesaid.
2. That the Zionist Commission and the official Zionists by their impatience, indiscretion and attempts to force the hands of the Administration, are largely responsible for the present crisis."
link to en.wikisource.org