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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel has illegally acquired more and more territory outside of it's actual proclaimed and recognized Sovereign boundaries and it encourages Israeli civilians to break laws that were adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. The Palestinians ask for their legal rights under the Laws all states are obliged to uphold. Israel demands more and more non-Israeli land. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)

Website: http://talknic.wordpress.com

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  • Obama took on the Cuba lobby-- when will he take on the Israel lobby?
    • @ OyVey00 "You don’t bite the hand that feeds you"

      Oh!?

      So you sh*it in it instead?

      You're saying the tail and a measly hand full of dollars does wag the dog

    • @ Jackdaw "Cuba and Israel are hardly on par."

      True. Cuba isn't occupying anyone, isn't in breach of International Law, the UN Charter, Geneva Conventions and hundreds of UNSC resolutions

      "Cuba has been our enemy since the Cold War, Israel our friend"

      Put that way puts you in the US eh gringo

    • "By early 2011 he had backtracked completely ... etc ... He did it because he believed he had to, politically."

      Or ... he did it because someone quietly reminded him he had a family, mentioned Rabin and asked him if he thought many white supremacists and RW christained nutcases in the US would love to go down in history as having assassinated the first black US president with promise of first class lawyers and a few thousand bucks to get 'em outta debt

      The Israeli narrative is quite emphatic Palestine is not and was never a state. It always puzzled me because legally it's an irrelevant nonsense. Israel was declared and recognized and by default what lay outside of Israel simply wasn't Israeli.

      Then I looked closely at the following

      A) The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel : "The state of Israel ....will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel"

      B) Deuteronomy 20:10 through to 20:15, esp :15 "This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby."

      C) Israel's unsuccessful 31 August 1949 legal claim to territories acquired by war 1947-1949 link to unispal.un.org

      4 (a)(i) No territory forming part of Egypt, the Lebanon, the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom or Syria is added to Israel by this adjustment.

      (ii) No territory ever awarded to Egypt, the Lebanon, the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom or Syria by any international instrument or held by them under any agreement is added to Israel by this adjustment.

      (iii) No territory in which Egypt, the Lebanon, the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom or Syria exercises authority or jurisdiction under the armistice agreements concluded pursuant to the Security Council’s resolution of November 16, 1948 and endorsed by the Security Council’s resolution of August 11, 1949 is added to Israel by this adjustment.

      4 (c) The Delegation of Israel holds, therefore, that only the territorial adjustment proposed above falls equally in its effects on the rights and position of each negotiating party, makes no encroachment upon existing sovereignties

      The claim was turned down link to domino.un.org citing the Armistice Agreements

      From there on Israel ignored everything until the present and it will get even more desperate, because if the Palestinians attain independent statehood the game is over

  • Palestinian UN effort seeks to set 'terms of reference' for negotiations and promote shift away from US leadership
    • Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said conference attendees were engaging in “staggering examples of European hypocrisy,” continuing, “It seems that too many in Europe, on whose soil six million Jews were slaughtered, have learned nothing. But we in Israel, we’ve learned.”

      He really has lost the plot, poor chap.

  • Caroline Glick melts down with European diplomats
    • @ Jackdaw "Well. They when they weren’t defending themselves from the Arabs"

      I see .... the Palestinians invaded the Zionist colonizers. You do come out with some very interesting theories

      " the Zionists did bring 60,000 German Jewish souls to Palestine, saving them as part of the ‘Transfer Agreement’"

      Zionists colluded with the Nazis to get rid of its Jewish citizens in order to take over Palestine ... wow, that's very interesting

      What did the “antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling” Irish do for the Jews of the Holocaust?

      A) they didn't collude with the Nazis ...

      B) the ban was not specific to Jews, it extended to all refugees. The policy was based on the parlous state of the nation at the time, quite understandable. Quite a few countries shared the same policy for the same reasons

      C) Israel has always refused to take in its ownnon-Jewish refugees

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      @ hophmi "There would have been hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees to Palestine had the British not promulgated the White Paper of 1939 under pressure from the Arabs, cutting immigration to a pittance at the absolute worst time."

      Strange, they were only reiterating a long standing (1922) and understandable policy under the LoN Mandate for Palestine. I do believe 1922 was long before the Holocaust

      " In addition, Zionists fought alongside the British in World War II."

      And against them after the war!

    • Saw his response ... thx

      Unfortunately Jesper Vahr didn't present any facts to show how her arguments are based on nonsense.

      She successfully turned the discussion away from presenting facts

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      BTW

      YIPEEEEEEE!!!!! We have the edit function back!!

      Thank you!

    • @ amigo “GLICK: Husseini was the British-appointed Supreme Mufti of Jerusalem and the unchallenged leader of the Palestinian Arabs during the British Mandate for Palestine from 1922 to 1948"

      Strange. He was booted out by the British in 1937. Even his emissary, was on the Palestine Government's list of wanted men link to hansard.millbanksystems.com

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com March 16, 1938

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com July 13, 1938

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com May 10, 1939

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com December 1, 1943

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com October 24, 1945

      link to hansard.millbanksystems.com August 1, 1946

      When Husseini met Hitler he wasn't leader of the Palestinians. Furthermore Palestinians of today were at best tiny babies in 1937 if they existed at all. Life expectancy of a Palestinian born in 1950 was about 52yrs.

      In 1937 it was even lower. IOW No Palestinian alive today was a supporter of Al Husseini and none served under him in the Balkans.

      Glick spouts irrelevant Hasbara nonsense

    • @ Jackdaw Your times of Israel link is full of red heifer sh*te!

      According to his analysis of international law as it applies to belligerent occupations, Kontorovich said, Israel’s claim to the West Bank is actually stronger than that of many other countries ruling over conquered territory, mostly for historical reasons"

      1) The acquisition of territory by conquest by ANY country has been outlawed since at least 1933 under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States Adopted into the UN Charter 1945.

      2) 'historical reasons' became irrelevant at precisely 00:01 May 15th 1948 when according to the Israeli Government of May 15th 1948, Israel's boundaries according to UNGA res 181 came into effect. What ever lay "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" after declaration was and is still not Israeli by any legal transaction

      "Furthermore, he said, the case of Western Sahara is actually quite similar to that of the West Bank, because in both cases no sovereign state existed in the disputed territory before it was occupied"

      He's tawking' more BULLSH*T!

      The West Bank as it is now known, was legally annexed at the request of the Palestinians Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950).

      Unlike the illegal unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel, without any agreement, condemned by the UNSC, the annexation under Jordanian sovereignty was not condemned by the UNSC. BTW recognition does not play a part in legal annexation. It's legal by agreement between the representative/s of the legitimate citizens of the territory to be annexed and the annexing country.

      The West Bank was sovereign to Jordan, which was a UN Member state and High Contacting Power in 1967 when the West Bank was occupied by Israel. For this reason UNSC res 476 tells us the GC's apply.

      The West Bank under Jordanian sovereignty until Jordan formally relinquished sovereignty and administrative control to the PLO in 1988 in order that the Palestinians could make their declaration of statehood.

    • Jackdaw foolishly shows folk how to be deceitful Zionist style

      "Imagine a Palestine being supported militarily”

      Tch tch tch. What was actually said "imagine palestine being supported militarily the way israel is?"

      Seemingly oblivious to the fact that Annie's words are still there for all to see, Jackdaw then stupidly goes on to try to build an assertion based on his deceitful cherry picking

      "I don’t have to imagine. I can still remember a very well armed PLO that was able to set up their own fiefdom in Southern Lebanon, circa 1970’s , and using South Lebanon as a base to attack Israel. I remember the Palestinians attempting a coup against King of Jordan "

      C'mon, you can answer me honestly ..... right? Have the Palestinians at any time been supported militarily to the degree Israel is? You do remember what honesty is ... yes?

    • @ Jackdaw "When the EU supports settlements in occupied Northern Cyprus "

      It's those damn Turks and a hypocritical EU forcing Israel to ... wait a minute .. 1967 is 7 yrs before 1974 and;
      1948 was 26yrs before 1974

      So, despite the fact that Israel has been in breach of its legal obligations for far longer, if the EU didn't give any support to occupied Northern Cyprus, Israel would immediately end its occupation of non-Israeli territories and withdraw, taking all its illegal settlers, dismantling all its illegal facts on the ground, adhere to the Law, UN Charter & relevant conventions and pay rightful compensation for 66 years of transgressions .... right? ( Say have you ever contemplated the costs of Israel adhering to the law? )

      "while condemning Israeli settlements"

      Regardless of what Turkey has done, Israeli settlements in Occupied Territories are still illegal per UNSC resolutions, which are based on the binding International Laws, the binding UN Charter and relative binding conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in those resolutions, none of which are antisemitic or for that matter anti Israel otherwise I cannot imagine Israel would ever have agreed to have become a party to them!

      In fact many laws, UN Charter articles and conventions were adopted in large part based on the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. It's bizarre that the Jewish state should now be in breach ..... really bizarre!

      Were Israel to have adhered to the law in the first place, there'd be no legal basis for issuing hundreds of UNSC resolutions reminding and affording the opportunity to adhere to its legal obligations in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine".

      Answer me honestly if you can, is the power company for example biased for sending reminders when folk don't uphold their end of the contract?

      "When far more egregious human rights violators get a free pass from a UN the condemns Israel more than any other country, than that’s a double standard"

      You're spouting wholly holey Hasbara bullsh*te buster!

      The UN/UNGA/UNSC has never adopted any resolution condemning Israel for ANYTHING within Israel's sovereign territory.

      It would be illegal under the UN Charter Article 2

      (7) Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter;

      You can of course easily prove me wrong ..... cite one ... go ahead ... I'll wait ...... ... I promise!

      It then goes on to say

      but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll

      There has never been a UNSC Chapt VII resolution against Israel for ANYTHING inside or outside its borders. The US has used its UNSC veto to prevent any action being taken against Israel despite the fact that Israel is in breach of the binding laws, binding UN Charter and binding conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in hundreds of UNSC chapt VI resolutions for its actions "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine".

    • Poor woman, by her own criteria Israel is in breach of UNSC res 1373 by delivering the aid given by the EU et al.

      "she should have shown some class"

      One has to have class to show it ...

      Say ... where are the replies to her rant?

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  • Bypassing Israel: The necessity of recognition in European capitals
  • As Kerry and UN press on occupation, Netanyahu sees a 'diplomatic assault'
    • Say .... you can't fool me. Dachshunds look up to everyone. Even tall Dachshunds look up to everyone except shorter Dachshunds

      Never the less, "Hi Fritz! Hope things are looking up. Rest assured Fritzy, despite what you may have heard I'd never look down on a Dachshund, not even a short one ..... except to say "Hi" of course and so I don't trip over. I guess you can be grateful for that Fritzy. We both know there's nothing worse than being unexpectedly tripped over. Not that anyone has actually tripped over me. I just know there's nothing worse, especially from a Dachshunds POV"

      "Hey Fritz, did you hear about the dsylecix Dachshund who walked into a bra?"

      Oh dear, do you think maybe "Hi" was the wrong choice of words?

    • @ DoubleStandard "This might not be the worst thing for Israel in the long run. If it ends the occupation and leaves a normal Palestinian government in place, the international pressure and opprobrium would largely subside."

      WOW!! Not very often one sees a Zionist begin to wake up. Don't disappoint us now ....

    • "Israel claims that the convention does not apply to the West Bank or East Jerusalem because they are not occupied territories but disputed territories"

      'disputed' territory = weasel words

      1) No UN document, Armistice Agreement, UNSC resolution or Peace treaty uses the words 'disputed' territory. They do use link to wp.me "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      2) The Geneva Conventions. The West Bank had been legally annexed to Jordan. There is no UNSC resolution condemning that bilateral annexation, unlike the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel (ibid). BTW recognition or lack of recognition by other parties does not make annexation legal or illegal. Legal annexation is through an agreement between the representatives of the legitimate citizens of the territory to be annexed and the annexing country. See the US annexation of Hawaii, Texas, Alaska where the US adopted the legal custom of annexation by agreement, thereby the US was instrumental in that legal custom passing into Customary International Law.

      As such, the West Bank was under the sovereignty of Jordan, a High Contracting Power 1951 link to en.wikipedia.org and a UN Member State since 1955 link to un.org . Therefore the GCs do apply, as reflected in UNSC res 476 (ibid)

      The facts are easily found.

      Israeli leaders are liars, cheats & charlatans whose every word is deserving of close examination. They'll say anything to keep the ball in the air as long as possible while the illegal facts on the ground grow and become harder and harder to undo.

  • Why Israel's Jewish nationality bill is a big deal
    • @ mcohen.

      the right of return for arabs expelled will be balanced by the right of return for jews."

      A) The Palestinians didn't expel any Jews from the Arab states.

      B) People who have taken citizenship in a state other than the state of return, are no longer refugees. They have no RoR. There are no longer any Jewish refugees!

      C) The people who have RoR to Israel are Israeli according to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel ... link to mfa.gov.il "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

      "israel was established as a state to support jews in distress……there is no doubt that that century after century jews have been persecueted for relegious reasons"

      Fine. So we have had our our Jewish state for 66 years and it has spent 66 years illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory. It's about time to get the ^&^% out of what remained of Palestine

      "there is no doubt that israel was the birthplace of judaism and was in the oast a jewish state….."

      Irrelevant to the legal extent of Israeli sovereignty and Israel's illegal activities as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories.

      "there is no doubt that arab armies have occupied land that once belonged to a jewish state"

      Interesting history, but irrelevant to the legal extent of Israeli sovereignty and Israel's illegal activities as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories. There has been no Israeli territory occupied by any Arab state

      "there is no doubt that land was set aside for a jewish state by the un"

      Under UNGA res 181, accepted by the Jewish agency as binding link to wp.me

      Israel's boundaries were proclaimed by the Israeli Government in the plea for recognition and Israel was recognized as such! link to trumanlibrary.org

      Israel has never legally acquired any further territory

      "therefore jewish law will be the law in that state"

      Therefore it cannot be a democracy with non-Jewish citizens having equal rights and freedom of or from religion

  • Israeli government attempts to shut down Nakba film festival in Tel Aviv
    • @ NormanF "A democracy is not a suicide pact"

      No mention of democracy in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. In fact it says: "The state of Israel ....will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel "

      There is mention of a constitution tho. Under which a Government will be elected. Thus far Israel has not has a legally elected Govt, under the required and promised constitution.

    • @ NormanF

      Historical fact is now treason .... got ya ...

    • “Another Israeli civilian shot.....”

      Civilians are prohibited from bearing arms in Occupied Territories!

    • Livnat said in the statement. “The state cannot bear the cost of funding of an entity that encourages debate over what the Palestinians call ‘the right of return.’ "

      Livnat should read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. It gives non-Jews the right of return, as Israelis, not Palestinians! link to pages.citebite.com

  • 'Racist, fascist bullshit'-- Marcel Ophuls exposes Islamophobia in Israel
    • @ hophmi "You’re an American colonist"

      Say ..... that'd make these folk American colonists too link to haaretz.com

      Could deport 'em & give all their US property to the Indians. What do you think?

    • @ ivri "Islamophobia developing in Israel? Now, what would you expect after almost a century of a nasty conflict? "

      The Zionist notion of colonizing Palestine seems to have coincided with the beginnings of the "century of a nasty conflict"

      "That`s human nature"

      Zionist brainwashing isn't human nature.

    • @ hophmi "And what a exercise it is in privilege and supremacy for a coterie of Western leftists to opine on Israeli policy..."

      hophmi & co prefer policies that put Israel in breach of laws, a UN Charter and conventions adopted in large part because of what happened to our Jewish fellows under the f&*(ing Nazis!

  • 'Suicide Drones' and the Spoils of War: Israeli arms manufacturers look to cash in on the war in Gaza
    • @ eljay "And the Palestinians, too…right?"

      Indeed, using the Israeli criteria ... Under which one only has to be suspected of thinking of using a weapon against the Palestinians and Palestine would have the right to enter Israel or the illegal settlement of the suspect and without trial bulldoze the family home, kill, maim, arrest, incarcerate relatives, children etc etc, WITH COMPLETE IMPUNITY!!!

    • @ eljay " who gets to decide what constitutes legitimate and illegitimate targets?"

      Israel. Under the Israeli criteria one only has to be suspected of thinking of using a weapon against Israeli military or an illegal settler even

    • @ jon s "If the target is innocent civilians – it shouldn’t be attacked, regardless of whether the aircraft is manned or unmanned.
      If the target is a legitimate military target – there certainly are advantages to using drones"

      The advantages are having a war machine theoretically without the need for having any personnel at risk. It does however extend the war zone to wherever they're operated from.

      Already by Israel's own criteria, where arms are designed, manufactured, sold, on route to or even thought of being used, are legitimate military targets.

      As for your collateral theory. It's military drivel. Nonsense. There is no Internationally accepted formula for collateral. Civilians are factored into the military objective equation at the whim of the assailants and their human slaughtering devices of choice are then purposefully dispatched knowing innocent civilians will inevitably be killed, beheaded, dis-disemboweled, crippled, burned, maimed, disfigured, orphaned and quite possibly their dwellings will be completely obliterated

    • @ Jackdaw "Drones save Israeli lives and cause less collateral damage than other munitions"

      1) Got any statistics on how many Israeli lives were saved?

      2) The shrapnel created by 'pin point accurately delivered' explosives is not pin point accurate. It can and does indiscriminately dis-disembowel, burn, disfigure, maim for life, behead, slaughter any living thing in its path. The more powerful the better selling point from a military POV

      BTW An old fashioned beheading is far cheaper, far more accurate and there's no collateral at all. Clean up afterwards with a mop & bucket or two of water.

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • @ asherpat "who exactly are my (or our) “illegal squatter thieves”, where is “wherever you came from” and what if we don’t want to go there?"

      A) UNSC res 476 is very clear. Ever read it?

      B) Wherever you came from would be Israel if you're Israeli and; if you're born of Israeli parents illegally in non-Israeli territories, under Israeli law you'd be Israeli, so the answer is the same ... Israel

      C) Why would Israelis not want to live in Israel?

    • @ asherpat /// @Talknic – “Palestinians are building in Palestinian territory. The illegal Israeli settlements are not in Israeli territory.”///

      " So, you are, by implication agree that if Israel withdraws to 1948 Armistice Lines, the conflict will be over and Arabs will have no more demands (including the so called “right of return”) to Israel. "

      "by implication"how exactly? AMAZING stuff you and your fellows come out with. Is it a drug, brainwashing, stupidity, insanity or simply the only crap job you're qualified by one or all of the aforementioned to hold?

      A) Israel's borders were proclaimed by the Israeli Government and recognized as such within 11 minutesaccording to the official historical US record which has been shown you and you fellows many times. You cannot rationally deny it as a fact! And as;

      B) Israel has never legally acquired in agreement with the other parties to the conflict or by recognition of any of the International Comity of Nations, any further territory. You cannot show otherwise by any factual information such as an agreement, because no such agreement exists. Which makes;

      C) the 1948 borders the legal starting point for a resolution to the conflict, negotiated or not. So, while there is no negotiated resolution;

      D) Israel is required under International Law to withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territory and have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" Israel has refused to withdraw from any of the territory it occupies that remained of Palestine 1948, so in the interim;

      D) hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been duped by successive Israeli Governments into believing they're living in Israel, when in fact they are living in territories the Israeli Government admitted on the 22nd of May 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine". Territory that has never been legally annexed to the State of Israel.

      The Palestinians have stated, in front of the world at the UN, that they are willing to forgo 78% of their rightful territories for peace with Israel. An offer which is incredibly generous by any standard.

      Israel chose instead to make more demands, the majority of which do not actually have any legal basis and to increase its illegal settlement activity in occupied territories thereby purposefully endangering Israeli citizens in breach of GC IV.

      All you have is denial, stupid accusations, fear mongering, bullsh*t and the US UNSC veto vote, which only allows the frog to stay in the pot, while Israel by its continued illegal actions keeps turning up the heat.

      As for folk with RoR to the area proclaimed as Israel, they're ISRAELIS!. Folk who were not from the area proclaimed and recognized as Israel, have RoR to Palestine. There is no demographic threat.

    • @ Mayhem "And the Palestinians set the standard?
      link to reuters.com "

      Executing collaborators is the best you can do? The Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa, Armia Krajowa, Lehi, sentenced collaborators to death and carried out assassinations long before we were granted gratis the territory for a Jewish state. Long before Hamas was formed as a response to 90 yrs of Zionist colonization and some 39 years of Israeli occupation of territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "Is this what we would get from implementing a Palestinian state? "

      No. That's what happens to collaborators under occupation. All you've proven is how pathetic Israel's apologists can be. In that respect BRAVO!!

      You'd have given German collaborators awards rather than the fate they deserved?

      "I fear yes"

      You deserve every sweating moment of the fear you live in

      "While Israel is repeatedly vilified"

      "Israel" is "the Occupying Power" according to the UN Charter and to the International Law the Jewish state obliged itself to uphold. Israel continues to be in breach of Laws, a UN Charter and conventions adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the &*#@% Nazis! Breaches you support !

      "there is an unattended lack of awareness of the human rights violations committed by the Palestinian government authorities."

      Uh huh ... link to google.com.au

    • @ asherpat "Palestinians build settlements too, both in Judea and Samaria and within the 1948 Armistice lines ...

      Palestinians are building in Palestinian territory. The illegal Israeli settlements are not in Israeli territory. You're either too stupid, brainwashed or paid not to see the difference? Whatever, the more you write here the more idiotic you look

    • @ asherpat "the scene is clear, Abu Ein and other protesters attempted to go somewhere (they admitted it themselves, the aim of the protest was to plant trees as close as possible to a Jewish settlement). "

      Very clear. You'll say anything. You'll even use Jews in your pathetic attempts to justify your support of Israel's illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territories.

      1) The Israeli settlement is illegal under the binding International Laws, binding UN Charter and binding conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in numerous UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of its obligations and giving Israel numerous opportunities to adhere to the laws, the Charter and relevant conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in those UNSC resolutions. e.g UNSC res 476

      2) The planned Palestinian action was/is not illegal.

      3) Your use of the words "Jewish settlement" is also (a)cutely clear ...

      Whether the settlement is "Jewish" or not, is entirely irrelevant to the Law, UN Charter and conventions. Furthermore, it is not "Jewish" to covet other folks property, in fact it is completely against the most basic tenets of Judaism.

      The settlement is inhabited by Israeli citizens. Under International Law the citizens of "Israel, the Occupying Power" (ibid), whatever their religion or ethnic background are prohibited from settling in Occupied Territory.

      "On their way, the protesters came-up to a police Jeep that was positioned there to prevent their passage. "

      Why prevent their passage? Their planned action was not illegal. The very fact that there is an Israeli settlement there is illegal!. The police should have been evicting Israeli citizens from non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation.

      " .. at least judging from THIS photo. The version promoted here is that the Jewish policemen “approached” Abu Ein. In order to “approach” Abu Ein with a Jeep behind them as it is in the photo, the Jeep must have travelled sideways. Can you explain it otherwise, Talknic?"

      You explained it yourself you stupid stupid person .. here are your words, verbatim, for all to see "a police Jeep that was positioned there to prevent their passage"

      The Israeli policeman grasping the victim by the throat IS NOT backed against any vehicle, nor are the other policemen in the photo

      BTW Your use again of "Jewish" to describe Israeli policemen, shows astute readers how you and your kind stoop to using "Jews" in your pathetic attempts to justify and excuse Israeli theft of non-Israeli territory.

      "Whatever one believes about the legality of Jewish presence, etc,.."

      Cute. The presence of Israeli citizens is illegal pal! Whether they're Jewish or not!

    • @ asherpat "On the main photo the Israeli police Jeep is clearly immediately behind the policemen, their backs are pushed to the vehicle"

      Strange ... the chap lunging forward grasping a Palestinian by the throat doesn't have his back pushed to the vehicle

      BTW neither are any of the other policemen.

    • @ Mayhem
      "the Palestinian doctor concluded that he died as a result of a blow to his body, not of natural causes. The Israeli doctor said the 55-year-old’s death was caused by the blockage of a coronary artery"

      A blockage to a coronary artery can be caused thru a blow to the body which forms a blood clot ... But hey, don't believe me ... link to hematology.org

    • @ OlegR

      Uh huh. Like some folk who went on to become leaders of the Jewish state. In positions of power, they continued to illegally acquire other folk's property in complete contradiction to Judaism's most basic tenets, continued by consecutive Israeli governments until the present day link to pages.citebite.com

  • A point by point response to Alan Dershowitz’s 'Ten Reasons Why The BDS Movement Is Immoral'
    • Further to the theory that a right of return via UNGA res 194 " would effective end the state of Israel.”

      So .... why did the Zionist Movement and Jewish People's Council plead with the Arab population to stay? link to pages.citebite.com

      Why after the Declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel came into effect at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) would the same people who were driven out or fled the violence, suddenly be a threat if they were to return a few weeks later?

      Are we to believe the people who drafted the Declaration were un-aware that under Plan Dalet, non-Arabs were being driven out of territory slated for the Jewish state (and from territory not slated for the Jewish state).

      Like all Hasbara, something simply doesn't make sense.

    • @ shalom " the fundamental question isn’t whether BDS is immoral or not, it is whether it will bring peace and two states. The answer is no! Because whereas some people follow a BDS that is limited to West Bank settlements others follow a BDS program that covers all of Israel, and still others allow it to morph to cover anything that Israel does that is not to their liking. "

      Uh huh. You then only show one legitimate instance for BDS

      "... calls for “Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194″ This clearly calls for a right of return that would effective end the state of Israel."

      Care to explain your weird "effective end the state of Israel" theory?

      UNGA Res 194 was adopted in 1948

      The UNRWA definition of 1949, on which Israel mounts its fear mongering bullsh*t for people who don't understand chronological order, isn't relevant to UNGA res 194 of 1948

      UNRWA wasn't established until 1949. UNRWA didn't have a definition in 1948, it didn't exist!

      Furthermore UNRWA's definition is only to ascertain who qualifies for assistance while they are refugees. It does not apply to final status issues. UNRWA’s limited mandate

      (Q2) “Is UNRWA involved in the Middle East peace negotiations and in the discussions on a solution to the refugee issue?”
      (A2) “No. UNRWA is a humanitarian UN agency and its mandate from the UN General Assembly defines its role as one of providing services to the refugees. As such, the Agency is not involved in the political discussions on the future of the refugees.

      Only those folk who had a right to Israeli citizenship in 1948 per the Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel , have a right to return to their state, Israel. Their children are also Israelis under Israeli Law 1948

      "I don’t believe that pressuring a state of Israel that was built to take in the survivors of the Holocaust and all Jews who need a home will ever give in to a campaign of BDS/delegitimization any more than Palestinian would give up their righteous resistance to the occupation. "

      1) The push to colonize Palestine began circa 1897 long before the Holocaust link to jewishencyclopedia.com

      2) Some 50% of Jews who need/ed a home did/have not chosen Israel, Holocaust survivors even.

      3) The only BDS rational you gave is in accordance with International Law and the UN Charter. Israel delegitimizes itself by being in breach of a Charter and Laws and Conventions adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the ^&*ing Nazis!

      "It is negative, it is hurtful, it is wrong and it will be unsuccessful and worse it will push peace away for a very long time

      But illegally acquiring territory by war, illegal annexation, illegally encouraging Israelis to break GC IV, illegally selling illegally acquired territory to illegal settlers is all very very peaceful and wholesome ... right?

    • You can reach the different year books by changing the number [n] of the /yearbook[n]/ in the address bar of your browser

      e.g., h t t p : / / mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/mfadocuments/yearbook1/Pages/TABLE OF CONTENTS.aspx

      yearbook1 link to mfa.gov.il

      yearbook2 link to mfa.gov.il

      etc

    • Link for /// Menachem Begin, speech from 1982 – from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website ///

      link to mfa.gov.il

    • @ travellerh "Can you please direct me to a trustworthy book with more details about 1) the circumstances of the 1967 war (i.e. an analysis of its defensive or offensive nature from Israel’s POV) and 2) these peace offers, the details of what was offered and the responses to them."

      For a book to be trustworthy it should reference documents that are now readily available to anyone with an internet connection. I don't know how closer one can get to the Israeli POV than actual official Israeli Government statements to the Comity of Nations in order to gain recognition and thereafter to the UNSC

      To approach events in 1967 one must first determine the actual extent of Israeli territory/sovereignty 1948 to 1967. There is no easy shortcut...

      On May 15th 1948, at precisely 00:01 (ME time) according to the Israeli Government at the time, Israel's Declaration of Independence took effect "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to trumanlibrary.org

      May 22nd 1948: on questions from the UNSC the Israeli Government stated it was in complete control of all of its proclaimed territories (as above) and furthermore of territories "outside the State of Israel" ..."in Palestine" link to pages.citebite.com

      In 1949 the Israeli Government signed Armistice Agreements with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan & Egypt. It did not sign any armistice agreement with Palestine because Israel did not consider Palestine to be a state. To understand this one must 1st read Deuteronomy 20:15 link to google.com then Israel's attempted claim on Aug 31st 1949 to territories not belonging to any state in the region including, according to the Israeli Government on the 22nd May 1948, to Israel.

      Lebanon - The Israeli Govt agreed
      Article 1
      4. The establishment of an armistice between the armed forces of the two Parties is accepted as an indispensable step toward the liquidation of armed conflict and the restoration of peace in Palestine .

      Article V
      1. The Armistice Demarcation Line should follow the international boundary between Lebanon and Palestine.

      Syria - The Israeli Govt agreed
      THE Parties to the present Agreement,

      Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948, calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

      ARTICLE V
      3. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall be as delineated on the map attached to this Agreement as Annex I. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow a line midway between the existing truce lines, as certified by the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization for the Israeli and Syrian forces. Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line.

      Jordan - The Israeli Govt agreed
      Article I
      4. The establishment of an armistice between the armed forces of the two Parties is accepted as an indispensable step toward the liquidation of armed conflict and the restoration of peace in Palestine.

      Egypt - The Israeli Govt agreed
      Article I
      With a view to promoting the return of permanent peace in Palestine

      Article III
      1. In pursuance of the Security Council’s resolution of 4 November 1948, and with a view to the implementation of the Security Council’s resolution of 16 November 1948, the Egyptian Military Forces in the AL FALUJA area shall be withdrawn.

      2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

      Although there were cross border skirmishes, none were considered an invasion of Israel by the UNSC based on the Israeli Government statements regarding its territorial boundaries.

      The wars were not fought in Israel. Armistice lines, withdrawal, boundaries/frontiers and peace were required "in Palestine", not 'in Israel'.

      The question of Israel was sorted by Israel's Declaration of Independent statehood and subsequent statements 22nd May 1948, etc. Consequently, subsequent UN/UNSC resolutions address "the Question of Palestine".

      Aug 31st 1949 - Israel laid claim to territories that, per Deuteronomy 20:15 (ibid), did not belong to another state in the region and beyond the extent of its own sovereign frontiers link to unispal.un.org Again indicating Palestinian territory 'outside the State of Israel'. The claim was refused link to domino.un.org citing the Armistice Agreements

      We can clearly see by Israel's official words, agreements and requests, no territory acquired by war "outside the State of Israel" .." in Palestine" had actually become Israeli by any legal means. The Israeli POV in regards to acquiring territory by right of conquest cites Schwebel/Lauterpacht.

      However, Lauterpacht who was cited by Herzog at the UNSC link to unispal.un.org justifies "restoring the Sovereign" by war, not the 'acquisition' of territory, which was outlawed by the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States link to pages.citebite.com

      Per Lauterpacht, the Arab states on May 15th 1948 informed the UNSC link to mfa.gov.il as required under Chapt VII, of their intention to attempt to 'restore the sovereign' from Israeli forces by invading, as the Israeli Govt says, "Palestine"

      Consequently, there are no UNSC resolutions against any Arab state for attempting to expel Israeli forces from territories"outside the State of Israel" .." in Palestine" quite simply because territories"outside the State of Israel" .." in Palestine" have never been sovereign to Israel.

      As UNSC Chapt VI resolutions on the Question of Palestine had failed to resolve the issues from 1948 it was in 1967 and still is the Arab states and Palestine's allies who may, by war, attempt to "restore the Sovereign".

      Moving now towards 1967:

      S/RES/228 of 25 November 1966 link to unispal.un.org Go figure ...

      "2) these peace offers, the details of what was offered and the responses to them"

      It is important to establish and remember that Israel has never legally acquired any territory other than that proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Govt stated "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" So when it talks of territorial or land swaps, it is in fact talking about swapping non-Israeli territories for non-Israeli territories in order to keep non-Israeli territories. A concept no one in their right mind can consider a reasonable or even a legal 'offer'.

      However, Abbas at the UN on two occasions offered in front of the world to accept only 22% of the Palestinians rightful territories for peace with Israel. link to pages.citebite.com

      Israel's response was to build more illegal settlements, expand on existing illegal settlements and make more demands that have no legal basis.

      Hostage is one of the finest sources of trustworthy information I am aware of link to mondoweiss.net I do hope he is well!

      Books:
      Professor John B. Quigley link to google.com
      Professor Francis Anthony Boyle link to google.com

    • "2. The current BDS movement, especially in Europe and on some American university campuses, emboldens the Palestinians to reject compromise solutions to the conflict. Some within the Palestinian leadership have told me that the longer they hold out against making peace, the more powerful will be the BDS movement against Israel. Why not wait until the BDS strengthens their bargaining position so that they won’t have to compromise by giving up the right of return, by agreeing to a demilitarized state and by making other concessions that are necessary to peace but difficult for some Palestinians to accept? The BDS movement is making a peaceful resolution harder"

      The folk who have legal RoR to Israel are ISRAELIS link to pages.citebite.com you stupid stupid man

      Every state, incl Palestine has right to self defense.

      The Palestinians are under no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their legal rights in order that Israel's illegal so called 'concessions' be met.

    • " The BDS movement immorally imposes the entire blame for the continuing Israeli occupation and settlement policy on the Israelis"

      Uh huh. Only Israel can end the Israeli occupation and illegal settlement by Israelis of other folks territory.

      It refuses to acknowledge the historical reality that on at least three occasions, Israel offered to end the occupation and on all three occasions, the Palestinian leadership, supported by its people, refused to accept these offers"

      Of course they did. Israel offered to swap Occupied Palestinian territory for Occupied Palestinian territory so Israel could keep Occupied Palestinian territory, all of which was territory "outside the State of Israel" according to the Israeli Govt May 22nd 1948 link to wp.me

      "In 1967, I played a small role in drafting UN Security Council Resolution 242 that set out the formula for ending the occupation in exchange for recognition of Israel’s right to exist in peace"

      A) Alan Dershowitz is not credited as a draftee.
      B) There's no mention of any "exchange" in UNSC res 242 and the resolution wasn't about Palestinian statehood.
      C) It was to end hostilities between already existing UN Member states, all of whom had defined and "recognized" boundaries, including Israel . The Egypt/Israeli Peace Treaty's reference to UNSC res 242 tells us the outcome expected from UNSC res 242.

      "Israel accepted that Resolution"

      And hasn't yet shown " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" Israel since illegally annexed East Jerusalem, still occupies and illegally settles in other folks territories

      "while the Palestinians, along with all the Arab nations, gathered in Khartoum and issued their three famous “nos:” No peace, no negotiation, no recognition."

      Quite rightly. As demonstrated by Egypt;
      1) when Israel withdrew from all of Egypt's sovereign territories peaceful relations were assumed. Israel has yet to fully withdraw from Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian territories
      2) There were no negotiations over statehood or territory with Egypt, there were only negotiations on WHEN and HOW Israel would withdraw from territory sovereign to Egypt.
      3) Recognition is not mandatory. There is no legal obligation on any entity to recognize any other entity. In fact there exist UN Member states who do not recognize each other. They are never the less, states, independent, UN Members

      "here were no efforts to boycott, sanction or divest from these Arab naysayers"

      Why would there be you stupid stupid man? None were in breach of International Law or the UN Charter or hundreds of UNSC resolutions. Israel is!

      "Ehud Barak, along with American President Bill Clinton, offered the Palestinians statehood, and the end of the occupation"

      Independent Statehood is unilateral. It cannot be offered.

      "In 2007, Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered the Palestinians an even better deal, an offer to which they failed to respond"

      What is "an even better deal" about Israel offering to swap Occupied Palestinian territory for Occupied Palestinian territory so Israel could keep occupied Palestinian territory?

      "There were no BDS threats against those who rejected Israel’s peace offers"

      Why would there be? A) The so called "offers" were sh*te! B) The Palestinians are under no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their legal rights to anything

      "Now there are ongoing peace negotiations in which both parties are making offers and imposing conditions"

      Wrong. The Palestinians are under no legal obligation what so ever to forgo any of their rights or territories. Israel is obliged by Law and the UN Charter and the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States and Geneva Conventions to end the occupation of ALL no-Israeli territories, evacuate ALL its illegal settlers. Only Israel imposes conditions beyond its legal rights, none of which have any legal basis.

      "Under these circumstances, it is immoral to impose blame only on Israel and to direct a BDS movement only against the nation state of the Jewish people, that has thrice offered to end the occupation in exchange for peace"

      You're a lawyer Mr Dershowitz, you know offering to swap a victim's stolen goods with the victim for other goods stolen from the victim so one can keep some of the victim's stolen goods is against the law.

  • Israel has no answer to BDS, Barghouti tells packed hall at Columbia
    • @ shalom
      " Do the Palestinian people have a right of self-determination? Yes. "

      Correct.

      " Do the(y) have to negotiate it with Israel who agreed with the UN and went on to win three wars? Yes."

      Strange, Israel wasn't required to negotiate with anyone to become an Independent State.

      Independence and self determination are by their very nature unilateral. Read the Montevideo Convention of the Rights and Duties of States link to cfr.org

      Israel was not required to recognize (and had not recognized) any other entity in order to gain recognition itself.

      Israel was recognized and admitted to the UN while it was at war in and over territories the Israeli Government claimed on the 22nd May 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Israel is obliged to adhere to the UN Charter in its entirety, International Law and relative conventions it has ratified. The Palestinians are under no legal obligation what so ever to negotiate or to forgo ANY of their legal rights in negotiations.

      Israel should be grateful the Palestinians have been willing to talk at all, let alone offer to accept only 22% of their rightful territories for peace with Israel.

      Israel's reply was to demand more conditions, none of which had any legal basis, build more illegal facts on the ground.

      "Do Muslims have the right and the ability to pray at Al Aqsa and the Ibrahimi Mosque? Yes Did Jews have that right from 1948 to 1967? No. "

      Why would Jews want to pray at a mosque? Muslims pray at mosques, Jews pray in Synagogues.

      BTW Israeli emergency Law of 1848 (still current) forbade all Israeli citizens and residents (Jewish and non-Jewish) from entering the territory of a hostile entity. As the West Bank had been legally annexed to Jordan, it was hostile territory!

      It is also NORMAL for countries at war to either intern or expel possible 5th columnists and to freeze their assets and properties and forbid the entry of residents and citizens of enemy states until a peace treaty is signed. It is also NORMAL at the end of hostilities to release the interned, allow return of the expelled and unfreeze their assets and properties unless they have taken citizenship in a state other than that of return, whereby they lose refugee status.

      " Do you really believe that Israel will give in to BDS any more than Palestinians have given into the occupation?"

      BDS asks that Israel adhere to its legal obligations. Israel is required by law to end the occupation, withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, take all its illegal settlers, repatriate them in Israel and pay for 66 years of reparations.

      Israel is actively expanding its markets in China and India and will keep going because its technology is in demand throughout the world. ."

      So what? Israel can do that AND get the f&*k out of non-Israeli territory. In fact, Israel probably needs to develop a heap more trade in order to pay the astronomical compensations due to the Palestinians and Israelis for 66 years of illegal facts on the ground.

      "That is the functional answer and neither you nor I needed a lot of IQ points to make it."

      Anyone with a few IQ points can see it's a stupid answer, perhaps indicating a lack of IQ points.

    • A further two points on ROR & the Declaration plea for "the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions” ...

      1) Is anyone really so naive as to believe the people who drafted the declaration did not know about the ethnic cleansing of non-Jews being executed under Plan Dalet in the weeks leading up to the declaration?

      2) Is anyone so naive as to believe that the Arabs invited to stay on the 15th May 1948, but prevented from returning had increased significantly by August 1948? link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org Our knowledge of the human reproductive gestation period tells us it was highly unlikely

      The Hasbara really is for dimwits

    • @ eGuard
      "... TAU is not on stolen land at all? No RoR claims can be made?"

      One should read the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel very carefully

      "We appeal - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions"

      The people Israel is preventing from returning to Israeli had a right to Israeli citizenship. IOW Non-Jewish Israelis!

      Israel also prevents non-Israelis from returning to the non-Israeli territory it holds under occupation.

    • Nite_Owl
      The university is on Palestinian land"

      Tel Aviv is within Israel's self proclaimed, recognized and official boundaries. The same self proclaimed boundaries that guide ICJ opinions on the Question of Palestine and all UNSC/UN resolutions on the Question of Palestine giving Israel the opportunity to adhere to the binding laws those resolutions re-affirm and emphasize .

      Israeli Government Proclamation: link to trumanlibrary.org

      Map: link to wp.me

      Israeli Govt Statement to the UNSC 22nd May 1948 reaffirming Israel's understanding of its actual sovereign extent: link to pages.citebite.com

    • @ Herb Glatter "Ummm Barghouti born in Qatar, studies at Tel Aviv University Israel – hypocrite enough for you?"

      2) Tel Aviv is actually within Israel link to wp.me

      1) He didn't choose where to be born. BTW by your criteria only one of the signatories to Israel's Declaration of statehood wasn't a hypocrite
      David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland
      Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine)
      Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus
      Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine)
      Saadia Kobashi – Yemen
      Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine)
      Rachel Cohen – Odesa
      David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary
      Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland
      Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus
      Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia
      Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia
      Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia
      Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany
      Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia
      Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland)
      Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark
      Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany
      Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia
      David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia
      Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland
      Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland
      Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine
      Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia
      Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine
      Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ?
      Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland
      Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria/Hungary
      Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia
      Zvi Segal – Lithuania
      Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
      Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania
      Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia
      Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus
      Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia
      Moshe Shertok – Kherson, Ukraine
      Herzl Vardi – Kaunas, Russia

      Did you have a point Herb? Say ... haven't we met before? link to mondoweiss.net

  • AIPAC seeks to blow up negotiations between Iran and US
    • @ just "nobody seems to care enough to enforce these resolutions",/em>

      The US currently vetoes any UNSC actions that might be taken against Israel. Keeping that precious one US veto vote is a full time job for Israel's lobbyists. Israel is too far down the illegal facts on the ground trail to turn back and adhere to the law now.

    • "Israeli jets had bombed areas near Damascus international airport and in the town of Dimas, near the border with Lebanon "

      It's nothing. Every now and then Israel gets an overwhelming urge, like an addiction I guess, to demonstrate how it shows " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" per UNSC res 242 link to wp.me

      Say ... wasn't UNSC res 228 BEFORE UNSC res 242? link to unispal.un.org

      And aren't UNSC res 252 and its EIGHT reminders more recent than UNSC res 242? link to wp.me

      Oh ... and isn't UNSC res 497 even more recent? link to yale.edu

      Is there a pattern emerging?

    • " Maybe it’s a sort of magic carpet thing. "

      Of course. Flags fly don'tcha know!! Sheeeeesh Hasbara isn't magic!

    • BTW who is trying to fool who with their badly done propaganda

      link to wp.me

  • Activists block Jericho road to protest East Jerusalem land grab
    • @ ivri "The question is: is it the start of another round in the Israel-Palestine saga or just transient spasms."

      It's been ongoing since at least 1897 Basil, Jewish Colonial Trust ....

      "Hard to tell"

      Only if you're an apologist for the illegal Greater Israel colonization project

  • Palestinian flag is an 'enemy' flag-- Netanyahu's latest crackdown
    • @ OlegR "You are mistaken in your article.
      The proposed bill talks only about residents not citizens of Israel regardless of their nationality"

      Uh huh ... link to ynetnews.com

      " Israeli Arabs caught engaging or cooperating with terror will automatically lose their citizenship – or Palestinian Authority residency, in the case of Palestinians

      Intelligent hired help must be hard to come by down at Hasbara central

  • Lieberman unveils racist peace plan: Pay Palestinians to leave Israel
    • It doesn't effect England’s Zionist Jews. They can remain in merry olde England enjoying the benefits of British citizenship.

      The UK however, is like every other state that has recognized Israel. They can either act humanely towards unfortunate Israeli innocents who have been duped by successive Israeli Governments and Zionist organizations and hope the Palestinians will be generous and forgo territory and rights in a negotiated settlement (which they obviously are link to pages.citebite.com ). The US UNSC veto vote only allows the frog to stay in the pot.
      OR
      They could act according to International Law & the UN Charter in accordance with their recognitions of Israel. link to wp.me

      The Zionist strategy is dependent on the former. The latter would result in a failed, bankrupt, Jewish state

      British recognition of Israel:

      “His Majesty’s Government have also decided to accord de jure recognition to the State of Israel, subject to explanations on two points corresponding to those described above in regard to the case of Jordan. These points are as follows. First, that His Majesty’s Government are unable to recognise the sovereignty of Israel over that part of Jerusalem which she occupies, though, pending a final determination of the status of the area, they recognise that Israel exercises de facto authority in it. Secondly, that His Majesty’s Government cannot regard the present boundaries between Israel, and Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the Lebanon as constituting the definitive frontiers of Israel, as these boundaries were laid down in the Armistice Agreements concluded severally between Israel and each of these States, and are subject to any modifications which may be agreed upon under the terms of those Agreements, or of any final settlements which may replace them.” link to hansard.millbanksystems.com

      Thus far there has been no final settlements for the British to acknowledge between Israel and Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.

      The two final settlements (Peace Treaties) between Israel and Jordan and Egypt saw no change in the borders between those states and only dealt with the borders of those states.

      Under International Law & the UN Charter and according to its International recognitions, Israel is required to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories and as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories for 66 years, with a "sacred trust" it has completely ignored link to pages.citebite.com , pay compensation now far beyond the Jewish state's capabilities. AKA Boiled frog!

    • @ DaBakr "what makes you think we give a shit mooser? "

      Pathological criminals don't give a sh*t

      " after all, we are nothing but a bunch a facist ‘zio-nazis’ so one can not expect very much from"

      Anyone who supports any state in breach of laws and a UN Charter adopted in large part because of the treatment of our fellow Jews under the Nazis is a [...]-nazi.

    • jon s Strange .... It's NORMAL to expel or intern possible 5th columnists and freeze their assets while at war. The US, UK, Australia, interned, expelled and froze the assets of their own citizens of Japanese and German heritage in ww2. It's also normal to unfreeze, release and allow their return IF they haven't opted for citizenship elsewhere in the interim, thereby losing their refugee status.

      You should read Mayhem's link... link to books.google.com.au it's quite interesting!

    • @ Mayhem “Since Iraq would keep the Jews’ property, Sharrett worried that the first immigrants from Iraq might expect the Israeli government to compensate them for their losses – leaving Israel with the double burden of compensating nonrepatriated Palestinians and Iraqi immigrants”

      Interesting lnk Mayhem. It actually shows Israeli duplicity over "frozen" and available Jewish assets in Arab states, in order to avoid compensating the Palestinians (as required by law)
      link to books.google.com.au

      Your cherry picked snippet only shows us how low you and your kind are willing to go. You must be very proud!!!

    • @ Mayhem "Tell me Seafoid how much financial compensation did those Jews receive who were forced to leave their property in Arab countries because of persecution?"

      A) It's NORMAL for countries at war to intern or expel possible fifth columnists and to freeze their assets. It's also normal to allow their release or return after hostilities....

      B) Remembering that people who meanwhile opt for citizenship in countries other than the country of return are no longer refugees, can you estimate how many applications might have been made for compensation by Jewish folk who're refugees? Thx .... I'll wait

    • "The third possible explanation for the continuing refusal of the British royals to set foot in Israel is that either they or the Foreign Office harbor deep and undying enmity toward the Jewish state"

      Attacks by Zionist backed Jewish forces continued throughout the transition period for the partition of Palestine. They became the Zionist Movement's state forces IDF. Although the British occupation of Palestine ended there has never been a Ceasefire Agreement, Armistice Agreement or Peace Treaty between the British and Israel.

      Technically Israel and the British are at war.

    • @ ivri "That is also why a lot in Israel was built by Arab construction workers – they are glad to have employment near home and not live in the misery conditions of the Arab countries around."

      Oh my you really are a sick lil' puppy. A) They're not citizens of the Arab countries around and; B) Faced with massive un-employment in the West Bank link to worldbank.org they'll take any job, even risk their lives by illegally entering Israel.

      A quarter of the Palestinian workforce remains unemployed—including one of every three workers in Gaza. A quarter of the Palestinian population lives in poverty, with rates in Gaza being twice as high as that in the West Bank. The economic slowdown has resulted in fiscal pressures that put at risk the provision of public services by the Palestinian Authority.

      The PA is facing a grim fiscal situation. With a higher than expected budget deficit and donors’ expected support in 2014 less than last year’s amount, the PA is trying to reverse the situation through steps to raise domestic revenues and control expenditures. A dynamic private sector can generate the sustainable growth needed. However, restrictions put in place by the Government of Israel continue to stand in the way of potential private investment. Access to Gaza remains highly controlled and much of Area C, comprising 60 percent of the West Bank, is inaccessible to Palestinians. link to web.worldbank.org,,contentMDK:20149751~menuPK:294370~pagePK:1497618~piPK:217854~theSitePK:294365,00.html

  • Israeli occupation stoking 'holy war' in Jerusalem
    • @ Mooser

      accusations of anti-semitism really set my halo spinnin'

    • @ mcohen.

      Sh*te happens in wars. Buildings and sites get damaged and in re-building each administration has different priorities over what might or might not be viable to maintain and what might or what might not contribute to the future of a city.

      E.g. Hasbaristas never seem to mention that the Hurva Synagogue was damaged in fighting Jewish forces who were using it for military purposes. Jordanian authorities were then faced with the practicalities of leaving it in a precarious state or demolishing those parts that presented an immediate danger if left as they were

      1948 Israeli emergency Law, still current, forbade citizens and residents of Israel from entering the territory of an enemy state and states often intern or expel citizens with an enemy heritage and freeze their assets. It's NORMAL. It's also normal to release and allow return when hostilities are over. Unless of course people have taken up an alternative citizenship, whereby they lose refugee status.

      BTW Nothing in the third hand opinion of the Wikipedia article changes Israel's legal sovereign extent and its illegal activities as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories.

    • @ 666 "a.wrong….the knife was to attack soldiers"

      Evidence other than accusations? (accusations are not evidence) BTW Soldiers of an Occupying Power are legitimate military targets.

      "b.there is no palestinian state, only israel is a state"

      Strange, the State of Palestine has been recognized by the majority of the Comity of Nations AND the UN link to unispal.un.org

      Got anything other than ziopoop?

      Furthermore there was a State of Palestine where Jews could immigrate, gain citizenship and settle anywhere in the Jewish People's Historic Homeland.
      link to avalon.law.yale.edu The Zionist movement's demand for a separate state screwed that up. So many opportunities missed link to wp.me

      "c.israel will be a jewish state there will be land swaps"

      1) Israel IS the "Jewish state" link to knesset.gov.il
      2) Until such time as these "land swaps" take place, Israel's boundaries are unchanged since the day they were proclaimed and recognized link to trumanlibrary.org
      3) Israel only offers to swap Palestinian territory for Palestinian territory so that Israel can keep Palestinian territory. link to commons.wikimedia.org

      "d.you are a relic……your answer has exposed you for what you are….an anti semite who cannot accept jerusalem being shared"

      1) Quote me. 2) False accusations of Anti-semitism (or anything else) are against the basic tenets of Judaism as is coveting other folks property. 3) Odd that you break one of Judaism's basic tenets allegedly on behalf of the Jewish state. You must be so proud!

      "e.what law……only the law of war applies"

      No buster. The UN Charter applies (binding in its entirety on all UN Members link to un.org )
      International and Customary International Law applies link to cfr.org (all law is binding)
      Numerous Conventions apply and are binding on those who ratify them and once a majority have ratified them, they pass into Customary International Law and, as you'd have it, the Laws of War apply ...
      Laws of War Art. 55. “The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.” This is further codified in the UN Charter XI (ibid)

    • @ DaBakr "your fantasy that “facts” are the best place to start is more then a joke"

      Lies are better? Seems to be at odds with Judaism's basic tenets.

      "you think you have argued to a definitive ‘fact’ when your set of facts is completely at odds with my set of ‘facts"

      1) Fact is, you haven't provided any facts
      2) It is a fact that the Israeli Government proclaimed Israel's boundaries in the request for recognition.
      3) It is also a fact that there has never been an agreement by which Israel has ever legally annexed any territories to its proclaimed and recognized sovereign extent.

      IOW You have nothing

      "And then we get down to who owns the specific ‘facts'"

      No one owns a fact ...

    • @ DaBakr "you don’t need to “see” a specific quote"

      Uh huh. I guessed your answer would be something like that. All you and you kind have is ziopoop

      "Or, just read about Arab/Palestinian reaction of joy to death of “4” Jews along with 2 martyrs and no mention or sympathy for the ‘traitor’ Druze "

      OK.... Say ... where will I just read about it?

    • @ DaBakr " what kind of mindless !@&&!( idiots think Israel is going to give strategic territory...."

      1) If it ain't Israel's to give and it ain't yet, then;

      2) Negotiations or not, Israel is obliged by law to withdraw from all territory acquired for strategic purposes BEFORE peaceful relations are assumed (Read the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty) and;

      3) while Israel refuses to end its occupation of non-Israeli territory, ignores the hundreds of reminders via UNSC resolution emphasizing binding International Law, it has a "sacred trust" to protect the occupied, their property and their territory, however;

      4) Israel has refused to end the occupation, refused to live up to its obligations and instead of protecting those it occupies, it has made illegal claims to their territory. Deliberately encouraging and helping illegal Israeli settlers, creating so many illegal facts on the ground, that Israel is incapable of affording to now adhere to the law. It would be sent bankrupt

      "A people who refer to the occupied territory of ’48 as if its just a inevitable function of time. (and if thats true-then there is no point to negotiating anything) Oh, sorry-you are the !@&@^ idiot that believes that. "

      If that's a reference to myself ... quote please ... I've NEVER said there is no point in negotiating. Facts are the best place to start negotiations. Fact is, Israel's borders have NEVER legally changed from the day they were recognizedas requested! No territory has ever been legally annexed to Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been unwittingly living in non-Israeli territory for more than half a century ... link to wp.me

      "You also believe that Israel will ‘get whats coming to it’"

      Problem with that theory of yours... Zionist colonization counts on other folk acting humanely. Kept ignorant, fed bullsh*t and assured by consecutive Israeli governments (none of which have ever been legally elected under the promised constitution), too many innocent Israeli civilians are involved.

      Incredibly generous and considerate of innocent Israelis, the Palestinians have offered to accept only 22% of their rightful territories for peace. link to haaretz.com

      On the other hand, never deviating from achieving a Greater Israel, Zionist colonizers care nothing for innocent Israeli Jews caught up in their deceit. They're cannon fodder for the ultimate religious relic, Jerusalem. They take and demand more and more, preferring deception, denial, lies. You must be very proud to be part of a very very sick movement!

    • The web designers have created vast swathes of useless white space and taken away a very useful edit function.

    • @ DaBakr "if you have to ask if it really matters then there is nothing I can do to help your condition"

      Murder is murder no matter who is murdered. The murder of a Jew by a non-Jew or anyone else is no more murder than the murder of an non-Jew by a Jew or anyone else.

      "you think what you want to think-believe what you want to believe about Israel and Jews"

      I'd rather think what I want to think, alas the facts stand in the way.

      Jewish forces under Plan Dalet exacerbated the civil war in territories not slated for the Jewish state in the months leading up to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. Jewish forces are still in non-Israeli territories

      Jewish leaders wanted to acquire those territories after having been given, completely gratis, more than half of the territory of 1948 Palestine

      Israel proclaimed its borders
      Jewish forces were already in non-=Israeli territory on the day Israel's territory was proclaimed

      . come live here and you’ll know very quickly it is a war and who is killing who most definitely matters.

    • DaBakr"the idea of Israel aligning with facism is disingenuous"

      Strange, Israel IS in breach of laws, the UN Charter and conventions that were adopted in large part because of what happened to our Jewish fellows under the &*&^% Nazis and Lieberman wants to get rid of non-Jewish Israeli citizens ... go figure

      "and the the loyalty of many Druze is only one point of evidence refuting this'

      Lieberman DOESN'T want to get rid of non-Jewish Israelis? WOW!! You'd best tell him the loyalty of many Druze are gonna screw his plans

      Palestinians like to use the Druze as analogous to kapo’s in nazi extermination camps"

      I'd like to see you quote an example ... thx

    • 666 "why would a young girl take a knife to the cave of patriarchs ….an okapi pocket knife."

      Maybe for protection from idiotic and violent illegal Israeli Jewish settlers

      "are we seeing the possibility of peace.the acceptance of 2 states .one for jews and one for arabs.if that is the case then israeli arabs must leave israel and jewish settlers must leave the west bank."

      A) Why should there be peace for Israel while it illegally claims and illegally acquires non-Israeli territory

      B) There is already a Jewish state and an Arab state, created by default. Unfortunately the Jewish state has and continues to illegally acquire non-Israeli territory occupied by the Jewish state.

      C) "israeli arabs must leave israel and jewish settlers must leave the west bank" Classic ziopuke... You're obviously incapable of noticing the glaring hole in it ...

      Israeli Arabs are ISRAELI citizens who have a legal and moral right to stay in the territory of and remain citizens of their state. ISRAELI citizens illegally settling in the west Bank, do not have a legal or moral right to stay in non-Israeli territory, not belonging to their state, even if they are Jews.

      "with jerusalem a holy city to be occupied only by those who want to live a full spiritual life as holy people. …..jerusalem to become a centre for study and prayer for imans rabbis and priests and their disciples"

      Jerusalem is one of the most precious religious 'relics'. Religious relics generate enormous wealth for the countries they're in. Jerusalem is the most valuable religious relic in the planet.

      "there is no alternative"

      The law! It exists for people who insist on taking other folks property, while dispossessing and slaughtering them

    • ivri
      "Wasn`t that what almost everybody said when 6 Arab armies threatened to invade the embryonic Israel?"

      A) Impossible to know if a state allegedly without borders as is claimed by Israel's idiotic propagandameisters, has been invaded or not. It's one of the logical reasons why states must have a defined territories. link to cfr.org

      B) However Israel did proclaim its borders in its plea for recognition as you and your fellow denialist visitors to MW have been shown ... many times. link to wp.me It is indisputable (except if you're a complete idiot)

      C) The Israeli govt states the Arab states invaded "Palestine" link to mfa.gov.il (there is no UNSC condemnation of any invasion of Israel by any Arab state because they didn't invade Israel. Israel's wars have been fought in territories "outside the State of Israel" link to unispal.un.org )

      D) The Arab States threatened only to invade Palestine in their declaration to the UNSC (as required by the UN Charter Chapt VII, the last declaration of war ever lodged as required to the UNSC BTW )

      "It will indeed take time and be painful for both sides but why assume that it is this time that Israel will be at loss – when half a million Jews in Jerusalem face 300 hundred thousand Arabs there? Does Israel appear so helpless?

      Israel has purposefully created a minefield of illegal facts on the ground from which it cannot possibly afford to extricate itself. It must negotiate a plea bargain with the Palestinians in order to circumvent the law under which it would be sent bankrupt trying to withdraw and relocate all its citizens in Israel while paying rightful reparations for 66 yrs of belligerence towards the people of Palestine

      Meanwhile, the Palestinians have no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their legal rights, even in negotiations. Israel is required to adhere to the law even in negotiations.

      Without the US veto vote, Israel would be helpless! But all the veto vote has done is allow the frog to stay in the pot

    • @ DaBakr " the families of the four rabbis and the heroic Druze policeman are not “the ones” suffering “after last weeks attack”"

      Go whine to the Zionist Federation, Jewish Agency and the Israeli govt who purposefully assist and encourage Israelis to be illegally in territory illegally acquired by war by Israel, never legally annexed to the state of Israel, where they are highly likely to become victims of the violence expected from occupying another people and furthermore illegally acquiring their rightful territory.

      What kind of mindless *^%&!# idiots purposefully encourage their citizens to break GC IV, a law adopted t protect ALL civilians, including those of the Occupying Power of some 66 years?

    • @ OlegR "If you want to play with timelines are you sure it all didn’t start
      with the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens "

      Uh?

      Basil 1897 Jewish Colonial Trust

  • Like an unrequited lover, 'NYT' confesses itself heartbroken over Israel's (latest) betrayal of democracy
  • 'What is your religion?' question surprises two American visitors to the occupation
  • Palestinian students fear for their lives during attack on train car in Jerusalem
    • @ yonah fredman Go whine to the people who're responsible for Israelis illegally being in Occupied Territories link to wp.me where they're very likely to become the victims of the violence expected when you occupy another people. More so when you steal their territory.

      GC IV exists to protect civilians, including those of the Occupying Power. Only really stupid, sick, &*&^wit Governments would purposefully encourage and assist their citizens to break such a law. Seems that's the only sort of Government Israel has ever had ...

    • @ Jackdaw "Front page news on Mondoweiss, and not a word about the incident anywhere else"

      FIRST LINE " We picked up this frightening report from Ya Aini (Arabic), a local news website"

      Intelligent help sure must be hard to come by at Hasbara central

    • @ ivri
      Well, this student feared for his life but the 4 Rabbis did not have that luxury "

      They could have lived in Israel instead of illegally in Territories Occupied by Israel link to wp.me

      Take your pathetic whining to those responsible for them breaking GC IV, a convention adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power from the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory

  • Kahanists attack school after synagogue killings
  • Muslims' beliefs are 'untrue' and 'ridiculous,' 'Salon' author says, offering support for Maher's intolerance
    • @ jayn0t "You can criticize the barbarity and moronity of Islam without being obliged to criticize other religions at the same time"

      Odd. If we criticize Israel's illegal policies in territories"outside the State of Israel" it seems we are obliged to criticize events within Syria and everywhere else there are Muslims in the world e.g., link to blogs.timesofisrael.com

      If we should take your stance and hold a critical dialogue on the Jewish texts and their moronic barbarity, misogyny, bigotry, racism, intolerance, incitements to hatred and calls to enslave and to slaughter even innocent children, you'd be OK with that .... right?

      "I remember her apologies for stoning people to death – it was that people had different standards in those days."

      She was right link to en.wikipedia.org

      Did you have a point?

      "She should be regarded with Dawkins/Harris/Denett/Hitchens contempt"

      Uh huh. So we should all believe in a G-d who didn't even bother to turn up for the Holocaust? I'll take my chances elsewhere thx

  • Settlers spit on Abu Khdeir family as they exit court; alleged killer refuses to enter plea
    • @ weiss "And yet another reason why I am Ashamed to be Jewish"

      Uh? Murder and spitting on the parents of the murder victim aren't Jewish values.

      Jews could have been living anywhere in the Jewish People's Historical homeland per the LoN Mandate for Palestine, with equal rights, freedom of religion. Sans the Zionist Movement's demand for a separate Jewish state, would this type of thing be happening?

      The values of the state the Zionist colonizers demanded are decidedly un-Jewish. The State of Israel is the most divisive issue we have ever faced. Judaism survived thousands of years without a state because being Jewish is a state of mind

  • Israel bans renowned doctor and human rights activist Mads Gilbert from entering Gaza for life
    • Jackdaw? Hey Jackdaw .... you gone already? You wouldn't've had to leave so soon if you didn't talk sh*te!

    • @ Jackdaw "Perhaps Dr. Gilbert should try to enter Gaza via Egypt"

      You're spouting ziopoop pal.

      Bet you can't answer these simple questions:

      1) If Israel is not the Occupying Power over Gaza, why do all goods entering Gaza thru Egypt have to pass thru the ISRAELI checkpoint?
      2) If Israel is not the Occupying Power why does it have the right to control all Palestinian territorial waters and airspace?
      3) If Israel is not the Occupying Power, how is it that Israel can make military incursions into Gaza without first making a declaration of intent with the UNSC ?

    • @ mondonut "They are not, if the good Dr. would like to go to Gaza through Egypt he is free to try."

      Support information please .... thx .... I'll wait ... forever! Because I know you don't have any!

      Meanwhile, why is it that ALL goods going into Gaza from Egypt must pass thru the Israeli checkpoint?

      "Except of course the Egyptians have closed their crossings for going on 3 weeks, with barely a peep from the Mondos"

      Egypt is NOT ultimately responsible for Israeli decisions. Israel the Occupying Power has final say under the 2005 crossings agreement and; Egypt is obliged to Israel under the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty.

  • Why I confronted Gregor Gysi
    • hophmi "I didn’t say Sheen and Blumenthal."

      tch tch tch lying will not get you anywhere especially when what you did write is still there for all to see ...

      hophmi
      November 13, 2014, 10:22 am

      Are you going to take responsibility, David, for the threats made on the lives of Jews in reaction to Max’s -stated Israel-Nazi comparisons?

    • @ hophmi " You were banned because you endorse obsessively comparing Israel with Nazi Germany"

      Yup! As long as Israel IS in breach of laws and a UN Charter based in large part on the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis, Jewish folk everywhere should be very active in seeing their state change it's ways. If that involves pointing out Israel's naziesque behaviour, it isn't Max's fault. Shooting the messenger doesn't resolve anything

      Meanwhile the Jewish state obsessively continues to build illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory. The Jewish state obsessively continues its policy of collective punishment and has active MPs who obsess over cleansing the Jewish state of its non-Jewish Arab citizens. Quite naziesque and YOU obsessively support it.

      "Step outside the cult, and you might understand that"

      International Law is a cult. WOW! I wonder why Israel obliged itself to adhere to it or join the UN for that matter all it has done is show the world that Israel's leaders and the Jewish agency were f*(&ing liars

      "Maybe now more people will realize what a thug Max Blumenthal is"

      Strange. Max Blumenthal merely advocates that Israel adheres to its legal obligations. He hasn't dispossessed anyone and doesn't advocate dispossessing anyone of their rightful place. He doesn't illegally settle, doesn't advocate that people illegally settle, does not practice or advocate collective punishment. YOU and your kind DO!

      You must be very proud

  • Video: Routine exchange on a bus reveals racism embedded within Jewish Israeli society
    • @ DoubleStandard "You don’t live here. I live here. I know what it’s like to take buses and he legitimately afraid that they might be blown up. ..... it’s understandable given what’s going on

      Take your pathetic whining to the Zionist Federation, Jewish Agency or Israeli Govt, they're the cause of 'what's going on'!

      Endless territorial theft and oppression by a state over non-Jewish Arabs including non-Jewish Israelis, so " it’s understandable" that eventually there will be some violent reaction, especially when all else has failed and thus far, all else HAS failed. Despite hundreds of UNSC resolutions affording Israel the opportunity to abide by the binding laws they re-affirm and emphasize, the so called Jewish state is still in breach of International law & UN Charter adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows by the *&^%$# Nazis!!

    • @ Jackdaw
      "All women, Jews and Arabs, have their bags searched at entrances to malls and buildings. Men are sometimes asked if they’re carrying a weapon"

      A) You're spouting nonsense
      B) This incident was on a bus

      "This is Israel. Sorry"

      Yes, so you should be.

    • @ OyVey00 " Israel is not a peaceful country..."

      True. Almost immediately on acceptance into the UN Israel was illegally demanding non-Israeli territories and ignoring UNSC resolutions and the Conciliation Commission

      Israel is drenched in war. It was was recognized and accepted for UN Membership while at war in non-Israeli territories, while occupying non-Israeli territories, while it was illegally claiming non-Israeli territories and while it was illegally settling its citizens in non-Israeli territories.

      Israel has had troops in non-Israeli territories for 66 years, protecting Israeli citizens who have no right to be illegally in territories the Israeli Govt claimed were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Israel had already illegally acquired by war large tracts of non-Israeli territory by 1949 none of which have ever been legally annexed to Israel.

      Now theZionist Movement's state apparatus lies to Israelis, selling them land in territory not yet belonging to the State of Israel, endangering Israeli civilian lives by lying about the GC's and the illegal settlements, lying about the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem and lying about 66 years of occupying non-Israeli territory, lies to the world, lies to itself.

      "... but a society in a perpetual state of war."

      Go bitch to the Israeli Government, it has been Israel since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) illegally acquiring other folks territory by war. No one has ever made an illegal claim on or illegally annexed anything of Israel's.

      Now Israel is so far in the 'facts on the ground' sh*te, it cannot afford to adhere to the law, it must negotiate a plea bargain with the Palestinians in order to circumvent the law under which it would be required to withdraw, take its illegal settlers, pay reparations AND allow RoR of its Arab Israeli citizens of 1948. But in a true sign of insanity, the Jewish state continues to demand more and more non-Israeli territory, without any legal basis what so ever.

      " And with the recent unrests, it’s understandable that people are afraid of terrorist attacks"

      Let 'em complain to the Zionist Movement's state, who by occupying another people and by illegally claiming occupied territory create an environment where there is very likely to be violent repercussions. That's why GC IV applies to ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power, in order to protect them Now I ask, what sort of a sick govt encourages people to break laws that have been adopted to protect them?

      "There’s alot of footage featuring actual racism against gentiles in Israel, but this isn’t one.

      Care to point one out that isn't defended by the usual Ziopoop?

    • @ OyVey00 " Since Jews have no reason to attack Israeli buses."

      Uh huh. link to 972mag.com

      " .. of course that fear focuses on the Arab population..."

      Uh huh. link to wp.me far more than 20%

      " That’s not racism, it’s common sense."

      It's racism, to the point of denying Arab Jews their proper history. To deny people their proper history isn't common sense, it's idiocy.

  • Sea change down under: Ex-Australian Foreign Minister announces himself a 'Friend of Palestine'
    • @ Mayhem "a resounding rebuff ..."

      It doesn't actually rebuff ANYTHING Carr has said. It's typical transparent run of the mill deflection, shoot the messenger, ziopoop

      //“Hamas has shown considerable technical skill building rockets, missiles and tunnels but these skills should be harnessed to improve its people’s lives. Instead of encouraging constructive dialogue, Carr plays to the victim mentality. "//

      Strange, Israel was destroying what was built to improve people's lives in Gaza, long before Hamas came into existence and is still destroying what has been built to improve lives in Gaza

      The Zionist Federation decided to colonize (1897) Palestine 90 years BEFORE Hamas existed (1987). Israel began to colonize territories the Israeli Government claimed were"outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" 37 years BEFORE Hamas existed. Hamas are a response

      The Palestinians didn't ask to be colonized, they ARE the victims. They have taken NOTHING of Israel's. Israel has been illegally acquiring Palestinian territory from the moment Israel was proclaimed "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 "

      But hey, let's play along with The Australian Jewish News.

      If Hamas was using the limited materials they have access to rebuild what Israel keeps destroying, would Israel
      1) end the 66 year occupation it began 39 years BEFORE Hamas existed?
      2) withdraw all its troops and Israeli settlers from all non-Israeli territory Israel illegally acquired 39 years BEFORE Hamas existed?
      3) Allow the return of non-Jewish Israelis who'd been cleansed under Plan Dalet 39yrs BEFORE Hamas existed.
      4) Pay reparations for all the damage it has caused for the past 66 years?
      5) Lift the blockade?
      6) Suddenly start to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter?

      What exactly would Israel do?

      "Therein lies the difference between those who welcome an integration of Palestinian and Israeli economies to the benefit all rather than the destructive negativity of Carr”

      A "resounding rebuff" should surely deal with what Mr Carr actually said. It doesn't and; Israel DOESN'T welcome an integration of Palestinian and Israeli economies to the benefit all, it steals, lies and denies and is only protected by the US UNSC veto vote.

      " Sadly, he is no friend of Israel or of the Palestinians”

      Zionist arrogance wants to take all the toys... It's up to the Palestinians to decide whether Carr is a friend or not, not some pumped up apologist for Zionist colonialism

      Meanwhile a friend warns you when you've had too much to drink ... Israel has had hundreds of opportunities to abide by the binding laws emphasized in hundreds of UNSC resolutions, it has failed to accept the terms under which it became a UN member, it has instead become a drunkard

  • What is the vision of Jews who want to replace Al Aqsa mosque with temple?
  • As world marks 25 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall, Israel's Wall has become a new global icon for oppression
    • @ ivri "There is a pathetic element in the aroused sensitivity to human right issues since WW2 and the Jewish Holocaust in it that finds its expression among Europeans in identifying in the Israel-Palestinian conflict once more the Jews as the villains"

      Who are the villains? Please correct me if I'm wrong...

      The Palestinians DID NOT decide to colonize Israel. In 1897, long before the Holocaust, the Jewish led Zionist Federation DID decide to colonize Palestine! link to jewishencyclopedia.com ( At the time, Jews could have and did migrate to Palestine, gain legitimate citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's Historic homeland without it being necessary for a separate Jewish State. Odd that Herzl could have but didn't bother! )

      The Palestinians HAVE NOT taken any territory belonging to the Jewish state. The Jewish state HAS illegally acquired by war over half of what remained of Palestine after the Jewish state was declared independent of Palestine! link to pages.citebite.com

      The Palestinians DO NOT have any territory belonging to the Jewish state under occupation. The Jewish state HAS all of Palestine under occupation!

      The Palestinians DO NOT have any illegal settlers in any territory belonging to the Jewish state. The Jewish state DOES actively encourage its citizens to illegally settle in Occupied Palestinian Territories! link to domino.un.org

      The Palestinians DO NOT have any citizens of the Jewish state in Palestinian gaols. The Jewish state DOES hold Palestinian men women and children in Jewish state gaols without charge!

      The Palestinians DO NOT demand any territory belonging to the Jewish state for their defense or to illegally settle and; the Palestinians DO NOT demand that the Jewish state disarm. The Jewish state DOES demand, without any legal basis what so ever, that Palestine disarms and that Palestine cedes parts of Palestinian territory for Israel's defense.

      The Palestinians WERE NOT given more than half of their own territory for a state, they had more than half of their existing state TAKEN from them. More than half of Palestine was given and taken for the Jewish state, completely gratis!

      None of the Jewish leaders of the Zionist Federation who decided to colonize Palestine in 1897 were from Palestine.

      None of the Jewish leaders of the Zionist Federation who decided to colonize Palestine in 1897 were Holocaust survivors.

      Only one of the signatories to the Jewish state's declaration of statehood was from the region and; NONE represented the 20% non-Jewish population. link to mondoweiss.net

      The provisional Govt of the Zionist led Jewish state, peppered with terrorists link to nationalarchives.gov.uk immediately reneged on the constitution it promised Israelis. link to pages.citebite.com

      The Zionist led Jewish state has never had a legally elected government, under a constitution.

      The Palestinians have no forces in Israel. The Zionist led Jewish state has had its military forces in "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" for 66 years. link to pages.citebite.com

      You support a Zionist led state now in breach of laws and a UN Charter adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the &*(# Nazis.

      You support a Zionist led Jewish state that has lied to its citizens about its borders for 66 years link to trumanlibrary.org

      You support a Zionist led Jewish state that lies to its citizens about UN bias link to wp.me

      You support a Zionist led Jewish state that illegally sells land in occupied territory not yet belonging to the Jewish state to citizens it encourages to illegally settle

      You support a Zionist led Jewish state that actively encourages its citizens to break the very laws that were adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power from the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people.

      You and all like you are the problem

  • In and out of love with Israel: Tzvia Thier's story
    • @ Mikhael
      ///To sum up: Israel is not and was never intended to be anything but a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”///

      "Nope. The words of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, where the government declared it would ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;are in full force and effect "

      A) " as envisaged by the prophets of Israel"

      B) Israel has yet to write a constitution and then legally elect a govt for the first time.

    • @ Mikhael

      "When and if a Palestinian Arabs state arises (for the first time in history),"

      You're at least 92 years late and full of bullsh*t!

      LoN Covenant Article 22 link to pages.citebite.com

      LoN Mandate FOR Palestine 1st line link to pages.citebite.com

      According to your weird wonderful and warped theory the League of Nations recognized something that didn't exist.

    • How about the web designers put back the USEFUL functions like edit or give a preview option. Their vast vacant white space plains are beautiful and very trendy, completely uninformative, useless and do not add ANYTHING to having easy and informative discussion

      @ W.Jones "Isn’t that what happened? What happened instead?"

      According to the Israeli Government

      "On the night of 14-15 May, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded Palestine. The Egyptian Foreign Minister informed the Security Council that "Egyptian armed forces have started to enter Palestine to establish law and order" (his cable to the Security Council, S/743, 15 May 1948). The Governments of the Arab League States issued a statement on 15 May 1948, as their forces were advancing into Palestine"

      As of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) Israel was independent, Israeli territories were no longer a part of or in "Palestine" (ibid)

      According to the Israeli Government May 22nd 1948 The 1948 war took place in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      There are no UNSC resolutions against any state condemning any alleged attack against Israel. As Regional Powers and UN Member States (except Jordan) the Arab States had a legal right to attempt to expel foreign forces in what remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947"

    • @ W.Jones "Isn’t that what happened? What happened instead?"

      According to the Israeli Government

      "On the night of 14-15 May, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded Palestine. The Egyptian Foreign Minister informed the Security Council that "Egyptian armed forces have started to enter Palestine to establish law and order" (his cable to the Security Council, S/743, 15 May 1948). The Governments of the Arab League States issued a statement on 15 May 1948, as their forces were advancing into Palestine"

      Israel was independent, Israeli territories were no longer a part of or in "Palestine" (ibid)

      According to the Israeli Government May 22nd 1948 The 1948 war took place in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      There are no UNSC resolutions against any state condemning any alleged attack against Israel. As Regional Powers and UN Member States (except Jordan) the Arab States had a legal right to attempt to expel foreign forces in what remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947"

  • Root cause of current crisis is Israeli government effort since 1967 to transform East Jerusalem into a Jewish city
    • @ Mooser "Look, really, it’s just a bunch of Jews that Israel is taking advantage of, so hey, what’s the big deal? Can’t Israel do as it likes with its own people?"

      Yes, in a democrazy .... demockra.... democracy, if their own people are willing to allow it.

      However, if their own people are un-aware, they're likely to rebel when and if they eventually find out they've been shafted. Who knows, maybe even start beheading the perpetraitors (sic)

    • Kay24 " Lying is second nature to zionists."

      "second" ? It's first nature. 1st they lie to themselves .....

      Nothing they claim justifies their position, there is no legal basis for any of their claims on non-Israeli territory and their justifications are complete nonsense

    • @ Mayhem "The Temple Mount compound, which holds the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque, is considered the third holiest site in Islam but the holiest site to Jews as the site of the two ancient Jewish temples"

      Let's see if you can spot any important LEGAL and factual differences thru the Ziocaine induced fog.

      A) The Muslim buildings ARE definitely there!

      B) The Jewish temples are NOT there and no one knows for certain they ever were.

      C) The Muslim buildings and the site are in Arab (Palestinian) territory. (UNSC res 476 - try reading it)

      D) Where the Jewish temples are alleged to have existed is in Arab (Palestinian) territory. NOT Israel!

      "By law, under arrangements Israel instituted after capturing the area in 1967, Jews are not allowed to pray at the site"

      Normal! A) Enemy states usually do not allow the nationals of their enemies entry and they often intern or evict their own citizens who're of their enemy's heritage on the basis that they may form a fifth column. Thye also forbid their own citizens from entering the territory of an enemy entity.

      B) It is illegal for Israelis as civilian citizens of the Occupying Power to be in occupied territories. It's for their own safety. That's what the GC's are for! Not only to protect the occupied, but also to protect the citizens of the Occupying Power from the certain violent consequences of occupying another people.

      Say ... Maybe you can help me by answering a simple question. What kind of nut case, evil, f^%$witted Government purposefully assists its civilians to break a law that was adopted specifically to protect ALL civilians? Furthermore what kind of evil, f^%$witted Government illegally sells land in non=state territory to its illegally settling citizens?

      "Israel has done an enormous amount to appease Muslims who go into apoplexy whenever Jews start asking for their democratic religious rights."

      My what a cute piece of nonsense. What on earth are ISRAELI Jews democratic religious rights in non-Israeli territory?

      When Israelis make illegal demands and illegally enter non-Israeli territory the people in the Arab territory have a legal right to go into apoplexy, especially as Israel has had hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving it the opportunity to adhere to the binding Laws those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize under which it is required to KEEP ISRAELIS OUT of all non-Israeli territory held under Israeli military occupation.

    • @ Mayhem /// Jerusalem is a holy city and an arab city, in palestine. it was built by arabs, muslim arabs, christian arabs and jewish arabs. it is in the middle east, not europe///

      the way she speaks she could be representing ISIS"

      Care to explain, preferably with some form of logic, how from her dialogue you reached your amazingly stupid conclusion? From what she has said, your accusation is completely nonsensical.

      "Hypocritically she is not exhorting Turkey to give Smyrna back to the Greeks"

      Neither were you til now it seems and it's not the topic. Never the less, let's say she did mention it and furthermore let's say Turkey did give Smyrna back to the Greeks ... would Israel then suddenly begin to adhere to the law, withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, take its stupid illegal settlers? Is that what you're trying to say?

      " and saying nothing about muslim arabs, muslim turks, muslim africans who are taking over Europe in their mushrooming anti-Western enclaves"

      Again off topic, but if she did say something about them, would Israel then suddenly begin to adhere to the law, withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, take its stupid illegal settlers? If that's what you mean, you're on a roll!!

      "Jerusalem must not be a divided city"

      It has been since the Provisional Israeli Government proclaimed Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      "Under Arab domination the different religions who live there have never been free to practice their religions as they are today"

      You come here and blatantly LIE? Why? Are you trying to prove you're a moron?

      "And by the way there are Arab Jews in this world but no Jewish Arabs"

      Jewish Arabs will be disappointed..

    • @ HarryLaw "What is Abbas waiting for?"

      It is an incredibly long and drawn out process. Like any court case, get it wrong by one word, spelling error, error in punctuation or present at the wrong time with unfavorable justices serving and it will be set back.

      On matters like this tho, it will not be set back by days or weeks or months or years, but decades. Remember, the Zionists and their legal teams have had over a century of practice at keeping the legal ball in the air and while the legal ball is still in the air, the Jewish state will continue to illegally settle, illegally acquire more territory, demand more and more and more.

    • @ ivri "Let`s be honest about it (even if not politically correct) – there is indeed a deep desire and a concrete plan to make Jerusalem the capital of the (only) Jewish State."

      LOL. OK. Let's be honest.
      The Jewish state is Israel.
      Israel's sovereignty doesn't extend to Jerusalem.
      Israel has never been recognized in non-Israeli territory held under occupation.
      Israel has only ever been recognized as the Israeli Government asked for Israel to be recognized "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 ".
      It is illegal for Israelis to settle in non-Israeli territory held under occupation.
      That's honest!

      "This is an integral part of the normalization of the Jewish people, which like all other nations, after millennia of being in exile and subject to horrendous experiences, now have a state of its own and a capital – the choice of which, given Judaism and Jewish history, cannot be but Jerusalem."

      It ISN'T normal for people to illegally settle in territories the Israeli Government itself said were OUTSIDE the state.
      Jerusalem ISN'T in Israeli territory .
      Go bitch to the Zionist Federation who demanded a separate state, prior to which Jews had the right to immigrate, gain citizenship, buy land and settle anywhere in the Jewish People's Historic Homeland.

      " There is no need to be ashamed about it or deny it"

      Except for the FACT that it is NOT Israeli territory, therefore ILLEGAL for Israelis, (Jewish or not) to settle in territories Israel holds under military occupation.

      A) There IS a need to be ashamed of Israel's illegal activities and the slaughter of non-Jewish innocents in support of achieving the illegal aims of the Zionist Federation and;
      B) Your whole argument is denial

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