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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel illegally acquired more and more land outside of it's actual Sovereign boundaries. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, hate snail mail. I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)

Website: http://talknic.wordpress.com

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  • Israel seizes 1000 acres from 5 Palestinian villages to build new settlement in response to teens' abduction
    • @ JeffB "Her belief is that the Palestinians need to understand that failure to make peace in a timely fashion results in the eventual land swaps being less generous. "

      "less generous" by who? The Palestinians have offered Israel more and more over the years. Currently willing to accept only 22% of their rightful territory for peace with Israel. A point you must of course ignore.

      Israel has offered NOTHING. No land, no territory, no peace. No thing! Instead Israel illegally annexes, illegally sells non-Israeli land in non-Israeli territory to illegal Israeli settlers and builds more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory for illegal Israeli settlers. Points you and they must of course ignore.

      Israel's so called compromises/offers/generosity, is to swap occupied Palestinian territory with the the Palestinians for occupied Palestinian territory so Israel can keep occupied Palestinian territory. A point you must of course ignore.

      "She’s said before that when her husband managed to push through a settlement freeze the Palestinians took that as a precondition not a concession .."

      It's neither. Nor did they take it as a precondition. It's the LAW!, as reaffirmed and emphasized in UNSC res 476, one of hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving Israel the OPPORTUNITY to comply with the binding laws those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize! A point you must of course ignore.

      The Palestinians have only asked for their LEGAL rights under the Laws and UN Charter Israel obliged itself to uphold! They have never asked for ANYTHING Israeli. A point you must of course ignore.

      "Bloomberg is on record that all of historic Palestine is Israel."

      So what? Historical facts tell us he's spouting red heifer sh*te!

      Israel was proclaimed ONLY "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" and;
      Israel was recognized ONLY as it asked to be recognized "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947". Points you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore in order to keep spouting the sh*te you do

      "Cuomo is on record considering Palestinian terrorism against Israelis to be equivalent to Al Qaeda’s acts against New Yorkers"

      It's a stupid analogy. A) New Yorkers are not occupying Al Qaeda's territory. A point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore and B) Al Qaeda killed 3,000 people in one day. If Palestinians killed Israelis at that rate there'd be no Israelis, another point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore.

      "They aren’t too dumb."<

      So what is it that causes them, like you, to ignore the facts in preference for bullsh*te?

      "They fundamentally disagree with how you view the conflict. Many of them reject the UN’s view on whose territory it is"

      UNSC resolutions are in fact based on how Israel asked to be and WAS recognized, including recognition importantly by the USA May 15th 1948, as Israel asked to be recognized! (ibid) It would be illegal under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933) for the US and/or any other country to recognize any further territories as Israeli unless there is first a legal agreement between Palestine and Israel.

      Thus far there isn't one! A point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore.

  • Judaism's hijacking by Zionists drives 70% of secular Jews to marry non-Jews-- Koppman at Huffpo
    • @ hophmi "The notion that Zionism is driving Jews away from Judaism is baseless, and the claim is hypocritical coming from Phil, who has long argued in favor of intermarriage"

      A) Zionism drove me away from practicing Judaism, though I still maintain the basic common sense tenets. By the coveting of other folks property, the lies and false accusations that flow so effortlessly from the Zionist mouth, who in their right mind would want to be associated other than thieves, liars and the criminally inclined? B) Intermarriage doesn't mean dropping Judaism or being Jewish. Biology argues in favor of intermarriage BTW

  • Being Palestinian got me barred from visiting Palestine
    • @ JeffB "I suspect they are going to be given the opportunity for full citizenship during the next generation"

      "given", by a state that does not have sovereignty over the territory? WOW!! Interesting supremacist theory

      "Currently they aren’t being offered that because Israel hasn’t de-jure annexed Area-C."

      Correct. de jure annexation requires, under customary International Law, the consent of the LEGITIMATE citizens of the territory to be annexed, sans the citizens of "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory it has illegally acquired by war in territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "Giving Palestinians in Area-C the vote in Israeli elections would be de-jure annexation"

      No it wouldn't buster. It would be an illegal act. Illegal is NOT de jure

      " Certainly if they requested annexation it would be granted and once granted they would be given the vote"

      "if" they requested as they did Jordan But why should or would they? They have a right to their own state in territory which is currently their own. Territory Israel has NO right to!

      "The Palestinians have consistently rejected Israeli attempts to give them greater political rights"

      Of course. Israel has no right to be making illegal offers in non-Israeli territory!

      "You have to deal with the reality of the situation that the Palestinian population is obsessed with their anti-colonialist ideology and is perfectly willing to harm their self interest rather than cooperate and compromise"

      Uh huh. The Palestinians have to forgo their rights and capitulate to the illegal demands of a rogue state in order to get rights from the rogue state.

      Your supremacist theories don't deal with the reality of the situation. Israel is in breach of the Law and UN Charter and has created so many illegal facts on the ground it has never been able to afford to adhere to the law without going bankrupt.

      The Palestinians ask for their legal rights and they are under no legal obligation what so ever to forgo any their legal rights, even in negotiations.

      Israel MUST negotiate and depend on Palestinian generosity. A generosity Israel has refused time after time, preferring instead to build more and more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory

      A negotiated agreement is the Jewish state's only legal way out of the illegal quagmire its leaders deliberately set out to create.

    • @ JeffB "An occupation is a temporary government setup by a military over territory it controls but lays no claim to. "

      The actual law

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      "Is that what you think is happening in Area-C?"
      Think schmink ... Law again UNSC Res 476 link to wp.me

    • @ JeffB "Allenby Bridge is Area-C. At this point Area-C is de-facto though not de-jure annexed. Which is not to say that Israel might not at a future date relinquish part or all of Area-C it, but what’s going on in Area-C is not occupation but internal development and management"

      UNSC res 476 says your spouting bullsh*t buster!

  • As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new settlements in West Bank
    • @ mondonut does a ziosquirm

      "Sure, if each and every home is considered its very own settlement"

      Illegal whichever way you try to spin it pal!

      Under the Laws of War 1907
      Under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States 1933
      Under the UN Charter Chapt XI 1945
      Under the Armistice Agreements 1949
      Under GC IV 1950
      Under every UNSC resolution reaffirming and emphasizing International Law, the UN Charter and GC IV while giving Israel the opportunity to comply with its legal obligations and which Israel has deliberately ignored, supported by fools and criminals

    • correction : As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new illegal settlements in West Bank

  • Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade
    • The cease fire is with Hamas NOT Palestine.

      Palestine still has the legal right to mount armed resistance to the Occupying Power while the Occupying Power has military control of ANY Palestinian territory.

  • Palestinian-American teen denied access to Israel’s airport
    • @ Mikhael "Her family requested that she get a Palestinian identity card with the PA, thus making her a citizen of the Palestinian Authority."

      ONLY the US can deny here US citizenship.

      Citizens of the Palestinian Authority must have special permission to travel into Israel "

      She was already in Israel, already in the airport you stupid person

      "they may leave Israel via Ben Gurion Airport, but they must get the necessary travel permits and exit visas"

      Her mother was allowed. (sans her luggage) This stinks of f*cked Israeli officials making life as hard as they possibly can

      " If for any reason Israel doesn’t grant me my exit visa"

      Something almost worth praying for

    • @ Gene Shae The fact is pal, the news IS carrying it

      link to google.com.au

  • Our new look
    • "Change is good!"

      Change can be sh*te.
      This version is different.
      Unfortunately 'different' does not always mean improvement.
      IMPROVEMENT is good.

      Apart from the obvious, No recent comments/No edit on comments...

      Highlighting text to copy/cut colour is a PRACTICAL feature. It's now almost imperceptible, which is impractical

      Introduce easier/semi-automated formatting

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • Netanyahu's end game? Same as any Israeli PM, not to end up like Rabin. They dig deeper holes until excused by the election of someone to replace them

  • Salaita’s stellar teaching record exposes political motivation behind his firing
  • Ari Shavit calls out every brutality, except the ones Israel is complicit in
  • 'Lesson: The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children'
  • Air strikes and rocket fire resume as Gaza negotiations collapse
    • @ Mayhem "... it is clearly apparent why any efforts for a peaceful resolution between Israelis and Palestinians have always failed"

      Palestinians ask for their LEGAL rights under the Laws Israel obliged itself to uphold. Israel refuses and without any legal basis what so ever, demands non-Israeli territory.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, Israel demands Palestinine disarm.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow Palestinians return to Palestinian territory.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow non-Jews who had a right to Israeli citizenship return to Israel.

      "their position remains belligerent and uncompromising"

      Their legal rights are not belligerent nor are they under any legal obligation to compromise their legal rights under ANY circumstances

      "Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport"

      A LEGAL right to open borders, a seaport and airport is ridiculous? WOW!!! Say... when is Israel gonna give up its ridiculous open borders, seaports and airports?

      "is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy"

      Nonsense. Israel has for 66 years been putting its security in jeopardy by demanding and illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

  • Ceasefire comes to a close -- Mohammed Assaf's 'Raise Your Head High'
  • Witnessing Gaza
    • @ JeffB " Zionism was the belief that Jews should migrate to Palestine and form a society called Israel"

      OK. They did that according to the Israeli Govt "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" . Nothing outside of those proclaimed boundaries has ever been legally acquired by Israel or recognized as Israeli.

      "Today it is the belief that Israel is for Israelis the same way France is for the French and China for the Chinese."

      A) The legal extent of Israeli sovereignty is only as proclaimed and as recognized (ibid) It does not included any territory the Israeli Govt declared was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"
      B) The French do not have a law of return nor do the Chinese

      "There is no belief about discrimination"

      The Law of Return is discriminatory. The marriage laws are discriminatory. The illegal annexation of non-Israeli territories is discriminatory.

      " and in fact Israel has a pretty good track record of integrating minorities willing to be integrated"

      You either know nothing of Israel's well documented discriminatory Laws link to adalah.org or you're just another liar for Zionist colonialism and blatant bigotry

      "The reason Zionists have trouble buying your view is because..." .... the truth is to them like Holy Water to Nosferatu

  • Israel correctly fears its 'delegitimizers,' says leftwing member of Irish parliament
    • @ seafoid "Lehava spokesman and former lawmaker Michael Ben-Ari denounced Jews intermarrying with non-Jews of any denomination as "worse than what Hitler did"

      Supremacist supremacy reigns supreme.

  • Man who saved Jewish boy in Holocaust acts to save Israel from 'racist... quagmire'
    • @ Jackdaw says:
      "Actually, it was his grand-niece’s Palestinian husband’s relatives who died in Gaza"

      Thanks for actually pointing out exactly which of his actual relatives .....

  • Palestine posters archive nominated to UNESCO Memory of the World program
    • @ NormanF "Its amusing because not many people know “Palestine” in the 1930s and 1940s was a Jewish country! DUH"

      Odd ... Under the Mandate Article 7 people could have PALESTINIAN citizenship, not Jewish citizenship

      You're full of BS pal.

  • How to respond to thoughtful people who can't help saying 'but Hamas'
    • @ Mooser "a poor Ziocaine Syndrome Amnesia sufferer"

      You're so considerate. Generous even

      If they ever discover zioloxone, whoever 'they' are, massive amounts should be made immediately and freely available

    • MHughes976 " I would certainly think that the descendants of Jewish people who left ME countries under pressure should have full restitution of identifiable property"

      Quite. Applying for that compensation would however expose the ghastly hypocrisy of the State of Israel unless it also responded to its legal obligations to non-Jewish refugees cleansed under Plan Dalet during the civil war and those dispossessed during the Israeli war against what remained of Palestine. Non-Jewish refugees who have a right to Israeli citizenship under a Declaration that has never been rescinded

      Ditto non-Jewish refugees who HAVE a right to return to the territory that remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine and who are now prevented by the Occupying Power from returning.

      The glaring problem is that Israel has never been able to afford compensation to A) the non-Jewish refugees it dispossessed in 48/49/50/67 and for B) the non-Israeli territory it has illegally acquired 48/49/50/67 and to the refugees it C) prevents from returning to the non-Israeli territory the Jewish state lusts after

      Therein lies the real issue. Israel cannot nor has it ever been able to afford to adhere to the law. It must either continue as a rogue state and finish its vile Greater Israel project or circumvent the law by reaching an agreement with the Palestinians. Seems the Israeli preference is the insane and illegal notion of a Greater Israel at any cost.

      Meanwhile the Palestinians have no legal or moral obligation what so ever to forgo ANY of their legal rights, even in negotiations.

    • @ Walid "...in the hope that some of this will start rubbing off on your Zionist handicap"

      It won't. Propagandists aren't interested. Best to humour, ridicule them and point out for honest folk to see the stupidity, hypocrisy and lies inherent in their BS

    • @ hophmi Talknic defend the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab countries after the 1948 War"

      False accusations are against the basic tenets of Judaism, that you falsely accuse is really is quite bizarre, but quite common and expected from zionist colonizers.
      BTW your cherry picking is quite pathetic. You really ought lift your game unless of course failure is your thing, In which case you're doing great. Keep up the good work!

      It is quite NORMAL for countries who’re at war to expel or inter possible enemies of the state and freeze their assets. Also quite normal to allow their return if they have not taken citizenship elsewhere ...

      What is it about "allow their return" you don't understand?

      "Actually, these expulsions of Arab Jews occurred after the 1948 War"

      Strange the first Peace Treaties were signed decades later and Israel's 1948 emergency law is still current forbidding Israeli residents and/or residents entry into entities Israel considers hostile, except of course for illegal Israeli settlers in Occupied Territories. Blatant hypocrisy seems to be a strong point

      "But I never thought I'd see talknic offering a strong defense for why Israel should have expelled all of the Palestinians in 1948, a la Benny Morris"

      Same for everyone you stupid person. I also advocate allowing citizens their return regardless of who they are if they've not opted for citizenship elsewhere, which is their choice per Human Rights Law. Morris advocates ethnic cleansing against HR Law.

      Keep flailing about. It's so cute

    • 3. Over the past 47 years of occupation"

      According to the Israeli Government May 22nd 1948 in its statement to the UNSC, the State of Israel had military control of, i.e., "occupied", territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine".

      9th July 2004 International Court of Justice the Court refers to the provisions of the Hague Regulation of 1907, which have become part of customary law, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 1949, applicable in those Palestinian territories which before the armed conflict of 1967 lay to the east of the 1949 Armistice demarcation line (or “Green Line”) and were occupied by Israel during that conflict

      Report to the Provisional Government of Israel by Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Ben-Gurion 3 Jun 1948 "The entire expanse of the State of Israel allocated to us under the terms of the UN resolution is in our hands, and we have conquered several important districts outside those boundaries"
      and;
      "To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State"

      12 Aug 1948 the Provisional Israeli Government proclaimed Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      The words of the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT tell us occupation can actually be dated from at least May 22nd 1948.

      No one has ever been able to show me any evidence that Israel has legally annexed ANY territories it has illegally acquired by war since being proclaimed and recognized as it asked to be recognized, per UNGA 181

    • @ hophmi " the Arab armies that invaded Israel.."

      Exactly which territories sovereign to Israel were invaded? I can find no UNSC resolution condemning or even suggesting they invaded Israel. In fact the Israeli Government itself claimed the war was in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine". The actual legal extent of Israeli sovereignty was then (and still is) as the Israeli Govt pleaded for recognition May 15th 1948 "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" . Israel has not sincelegally acquired any further territories.

      " the rhetoric from Arab leaders during the war was genocidal"

      Odd, they suggested a unitary state, democracy, freedom of religion link to mfa.gov.il

      " the refugee problem has been stoked for years by Arab governments who have not treated the Palestinians well "

      Nonsense. The Arab states have generously hosted Palestine refugees for 66 years at great expense. Fought the legal battle on their behalf and even gone to war to protect Palestinian territory from UN documented Israeli aggressions.

      "and no excuse for the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries afterward, in the hundreds of thousands"

      Quite NORMAL for countries who're at war to expel or inter possible enemies of the state and freeze their assets. Also quite normal to allow their return if they have not taken citizenship elsewhere as the Arab Jews did, especially those encouraged by the State of Israel to take Israeli citizenship. Israeli law in 1948 (still current) forbade their return to enemy states and prevented them from praying in the West Bank territories sovereign to Jordan 1948 - 1967.

      "A large chunk of those 1900 were militants, who purposely fire rockets from civilian areas in order to draw fire that will inevitably kill civilians."

      Just like encouraging Israelis to illegally settle in Occupied territories eh ....

  • Accounts of Israeli war crimes in Khuza'a, Gaza pile up
    • @ Jackdaw "The jackdaw is a much loved bird that has been immortalized in Western literature by Shakespeare, Chaucer and Aesop, to name a few"

      Uh huh. Folk might remember the Jackdaw, but who is going to remember you?

    • @ Jackdaw "But the testimony has been that the corpses were ‘piled’ in the bathroom"

      The photo shows how they're piled pal! BTW the testimony says a lot more than you're willing to put on the page in one .. "there were at least six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home. He’s careful not to assign blame , but he does report that “the house is filled with casings from the bullets used in assault rifles. They are marked on the bottom as ‘IMI’ (Israel Military Industries).” "

      "Maybe they were shot somewhere else in the house and than piled in the bathroom. Dunno."

      While you're speculating against evidence to the contrary and without a shred of evidence of your own, WHY were they "than piled in the bathroom" Mr Dunno?

      .. and blood was spattered and bullet holes were made in the walls to make it look like what exactly Mr Dunno?

      Anyone can speculate, maybe innocent babies, small children and their mothers were slaughtered there, then taken out so these uniformed bodies could be brought in to make it look like a military killing?

      "Autopsy would show if they were shot at close distance. Forensic experts could opine on the cause of death, not Phil Weiss or Jesse Rosenfeld"

      The cause of death you stupid stupid zionist apologist was hearts stopped beating obviously because of something passing through, lodged in, puncturing, ripping apart human flesh, where upon blood leaked out and/or was spattered on nearby objects like walls. Given that you ignore big chunks of what one can rightly call evidence, like blood spattered bullet marked walls in the same room as the corpses, your continual speculation and omission filled attempts to dismiss what evidence does exist look more and more like meaningless ziotroll waffle.

    • @ Iamani24 "Khuza, at the border with Israel .."

      It's an Armistice Demarcation Line, not a border.

      "to build terrorist tunnels from there?"

      Uh? What actual terrorist attacks were carried out from the tunnels?

    • @ Jackdaw "Evidence, my friend, would come from the testimony of a Court approved forensics expert, and not a journalist"

      Uh huh. These your words pal? “Most likely, they were militants who fell in combat and whose corpses were later gathered and piled together”

    • @ Jackdaw ////“six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home.” ////

      "Not quite."

      Uh? But you say:

      " The photo, linked below, shows six combat aged male corpses piled together in the bathroom of a small home."

      So there ARE “six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home." No one is denying they were of combat age or combatants you stupid stupid person.

      "Most likely, they were militants who fell in combat and whose corpses were later gathered and piled together"

      Sure pal. Make something up, ignore the blood on the walls, the bullet holes.

      "I would add that the Al Jazeera video Mondoweiss posted earlier, shows journalists and the Red Crescent walking about Khuza’a and examining combat aged male corpses laying in the streets"

      "combat aged male corpses" is meaningless drivel from one very very sick lil puppy

    • @ Jackdaw ... Uh? Why would Switzerland be shooting rockets at Germany? Is Germany illegally claiming Swiss territory, displacing Swiss citizens with illegal German settlers? Occupying the Swiss? Creating illegal facts on the ground in Switzerland?

      The answer of course is no. The Swiss have no reason to fire rockets into Germany. Your analogy is as stupid as you are.

      Here's question you can't answer without LYING or DENYING:

      What should the Palestinians do when, after being given completely gratis more than 50% of Palestine 1948 Israel ignores International Law, the UN Charter, relative conventions, illegally acquires Palestinian territory by war, illegally annexes Palestinian territory, illegally settles its Jewish citizens in Palestinian territory displacing Palestinians, illegally sells land in illegally acquired territory to illegal settlers, builds illegal facts on the ground in Palestinian territory for 66 years, while slaughtering Palestinians in order to achieve an illegal Greater Israel and when all the above has been allowed to happen by the majority of the International community?

  • Cuomo and Zuckerman take a suckers' tour of tunnels (a few miles from massacres they can't make time for)
    • Exactly how many of these tunnels are actually concrete lined? Surely a resident Hasbarrister can tell us. 'cause if there are many concrete lined tunnels there'd be a flood of photos .... but there isn't

  • Hope in the one state solution 
    • @ JeffB "There basically are no Palestinians refugees anymore. The "refugees" are a bunch of Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis... "

      Problem. They aren't Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis if they don't have Lebanese, Syrian or Iraqi citizenship. Do they have degrees in stupidity where you come from?

      Folk with RoR to Israel are those and their families who were promised Israeli citizenship in writing! Unfortunately "Israel, the Occupying Power" also refuses RoR for Palestinians who have RoR to Occupied Territories. One can only wonder why...

      It's not mandatory for a country generously hosting refugees to grant citizenship, especially if people would rather return to their rightful homeland.

      "I've got Ukrainian great grandparents that doesn't mean I should have right to return there nor that I'm Ukrainian"

      If you have citizenship elsewhere, you're not a refugee. Do you have a point?

      "UNRWA should be gone and those "camps" should just be called villages."

      Problem, they're in places that are not where the refugees belong nor are refugees citizens where they are being hosted

      "That's the solution to the refugee problem"

      Sure pal. Say, why can't Jews simply stay in the countries where they have citizenship instead of becoming illegal settlers in non-Israeli territories. That actually WOULD solve a lot of problems.

      "If there are two states then the Palestinians are free to import whatever populations they choose whether Syrian or Vietnamese."

      Unfortunately "Israel, the Occupying Power" prevents this from happening

      " As Sharon put it the world should know next time we don’t burn in Auschwitz alone. Use them before I’d lose them. Ben-Gurion was absolutely right to make the nuclear program a high priority and having gotten there why would Israel ever give them up? "

      Nuclear terrorism is so cute. Having nukes is a threat to use them otherwise there's no point having them.

  • Israel got tank shell that killed 20 at UN school from US without Obama's approval -- WSJ bombshell
    • @Whizdom
      There have been developments in the Hellfire for other targets ... However note the payloads, none of which are pin point accurate on activation. It seems they are in fact designed for maximum slaughter

      AGM-114M Hellfire II
      Target: Bunkers, light vehicles, urban (soft) targets and caves
      Warhead: Blast fragmentation/incendiary

      AGM-114N Hellfire II
      Target: Enclosures, ships, urban targets, air defense units
      Warhead: Metal augmented charge (MAC) (Thermobaric)

      AGM-114R Hellfire II
      Target: Bunkers, light vehicles, urban (soft) targets and caves
      Warhead: Integrated Blast Frag Sleeve (IBFS) (combine blast fragmentation and fragment dispersion)

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  • Tunnels-to-kindergartens propaganda Netanyahu peddled to NYT and CNN is exploded by Israeli news site
    • piotr " what could possibly connect two worlds so different? "

      Easy. They're connected with Hasburrows lined with Ziopoop

      " the “funds intended for building kindergartens for Gaza’s children” were diverted “to build tunnels of terror” How the intellects of Israeli intelligence uncovered that, and yet were surprised by the existence of the tunnels? "

      Simple.... unlike charges attract connecting blobs of Ziopoop

    • Lies lies lies lies
      Lies lies lies lies
      Who's the leader of the club that lies to me and you
      B i b i N e t a nyahu

  • Reading Salaita in Illinois—by Way of Cary Nelson (part 1)
    • @ Nurit Baytch "Furthermore, Abbas has previously declared that he intended for there to be no Israelis (i.e. Jews) in the West Bank following a peace settlement"

      WOW! Abbas speaks with parenthesis. How does that sound?

      Putting words you'd like to hear in people's mouths then trying to build an argument based on them, doesn't cut the mustard here pal!

  • The Walzer Problem
    • "Of course, if anyone has more accurate figures I would like to see them"

      Me too.... because the IDF figures simply DO NOT ADD UP!!
      link to idfblog.com

      Terrorists in Gaza fired 3,360 rockets at Israel.
      2,303 rockets hit Israel.
      115 rockets hit populated areas in Israel.
      584 rockets were intercepted by Iron Dome.
      119 rocket launches failed.
      475 rockets landed within the Gaza Strip.

      I'm sure an experienced Hasbarrister can explain

      BTW. They only mention "terrorists". Yet Israeli military were targeted and engaged. Few if any Israeli civilians were engaged (remembering that collateral happens in wars)

  • Imagine you are a Palestinian academic or a student
    • @ jon s "Don’t fire rockets at Israel, and your electric power won’t be disrupted"

      Don't occupy and you won't be required to make up the shortfall of basic necessities to Occupied Territories.

      Don't occupy, steal / illegally annex territory, create illegal facts on the ground, dispossess, encourage illegal settlement in non-Israeli territories, collectively punish, breach the UN Charter/International Law/relevant GCs and folk won't have a legitimate reason to resist occupation and you won't incur what is currently well deserved hatred and you won't be required to defend the indefensible....

    • jon s "Regularly, Gaza receives around 60% of its electricity from Israel, 30% from its own power plant, 10% from Egypt"

      Yes, the Occupying Power is responsible for all shortfalls of basic necessities in Occupied Territories. Maybe Israel should end occupation, Gaza has ample gas to generate all its own electricity. Now it has to import fuel to generate its 30%.

      "Hamas fires at the power plant in Ashkelon and at the power lines that provide electricity to their own people"

      Unfortunate that the IDF also relies on electricity. Say when was the territory surrounding Ashkelon legally acquired by Israel? It has been illegal to acquire territory by war (ANY war) since at least 1933

      "Hamas fires at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where humanitarian supplies are delivered to their own people"

      Not only humanitarian supplies. There are Israeli military there too. BTW .....why does stuff from Egypt have to go thru an Israeli checkpoint? Something to do with occupation I guess.

  • Watch: Young Israeli Jew at Western Wall calls for 'another war and another war and another war and another war'
    • @ Mikhael WOW! Un-corroborated subtitle translations by Memri the pro-Zionist Colonizers propaganda outfit ... impressive stuff

      2nd vid @ about 2 min in a guy asks person with the camera if they're undercover but shows no threatening behaviour .. Jew hatred fail ..
      link to youtu.be

      " even with my faulty Arabic, the chant of
      al mawt, al mawt, al mawt ila al yahud
      الموت, الموت , الموت لليهود
      (“Death, death, death–death to the Jews”)"

      The people of Gaza aren't fighting Catholics or a Catholic state. It's the Jewish state, led by ... lemme see now... oh yeh ...... Jews.

  • Three dissident Jewish orgs to hold silent vigil during 50 Jewish orgs' memorial to Israeli dead
    • @ yonah fredman "... as a movement if herzl had never been born, it would probably have failed to procure the Balfour Declaration without the boost of organization and propaganda and motivation provided by the efforts of Herzl. But it existed before Herzl."

      Prior to 1897 Jews had already been migrating to the region, gaining citizenship, buying land and settling!

      The members of the Zionist Movement could also have gone to live in the Jewish peoples historic homeland while they had the opportunity. But even Herzl, who had in his life time the opportunity to go live in Palestine gain citizenship buy land and settle there, didn't bother!

      When you examine the Zionist Movement's rhetoric carefully it doesn't add up. They're thieves and liars.

      By demanding a Jewish state they robbed Israeli Jews of the right to settle anywhere in the Jewish peoples historic homeland. It is now ILLEGAL for Israelis be they Jewish or Arab, to settle in non-Israeli territory as citizens of Israel, especially in territory under Israeli military occupation.

      They immediately robbed Israelis of their promised constitution, thereby robbing them of having a legally elected government under the promised constitution.

      They're liars. Offering equality to Arab inhabitants while at the same time dispossessing them. As if the drafters of the declaration didn't know what was happening under Plan Dalet!

      They lie about not having proclaimed borders

      You're either one of them or you're barking up the wrong tree buddy! If the former YOU'RE the problem. If the latter go bark at the Zionist Federation!

  • The Greenhouse propaganda—How Gazan history is being rewritten to dehumanize Palestinians
  • A Palestinian defends violent resistance to occupation
    • @ Ian Matthews Shows us how to spread ziopoop all over ....

      "Occupation means the supposed occupier is the de facto ruler of the territory"

      Ever read the specific Law?

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      Israel exercises military control over ALL of Gaza's airspace, territorial waters. It makes military incursions across the Armistice Demarcation Lines surrounding Gaza and has control over what, who and when anything or anyone passes across any crossing including, under the Egypt Israel Peace treaty and the 2005 agreement, Gaza's crossings with Egypt.

      "The de facto ruler of Gaza since they violently took over from Fatah in 2007 is Hamas"

      Strange ... Hamas was democratically elected! A democratic election insisted upon by Israel and the US.

      //“Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus” //
      "I’m not sure what this “international consensus” is, but anyone who believes Hamas supports UN Resolution 242 "
      You said you were not sure, then you cite UNSC 242, which doesn't mention any two state solution. Man you really have lost the plot

      "As far as the “2006″ economic “sanctions”, countries have a right to cut off donations for any reason they choose."

      A) Taxes are NOT donations. B) Israel AGREED to collect the taxes on behalf of the occupied in accordance with International Law.

      " And since Hamas didn’t accept the Olso accords, Israel had a right to withhold tax revenues"

      Hamas were not present nor did they negotiate the Oslo Accords.

      You're babbling incoherently like a true idiot for Israel. NOTHING you've said bears inspection.

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    • @ Ian Matthews "In regard to your mention of 242, it’s the only potentially binding resolution that has anything to do with a two-state solution"

      Go peddle your ziopoop elsewhere buddy. You're spouting nonsense.

      A) The Laws (all law is by its nature binding), the UN Charter (binding on ALL UN members in its entirety) and the relevant binding conventions that are re-affirmed, emphasized and recalled in any UN/UNGA resolution or in any resolution adopted by any UN body, are by their very nature BINDING!

      B) There is no mention of Palestine in UNSC res 242. No mention of negotiating borders. The Egypt and Jordanian Peace treaties with Israel tell us what UNSC res 242 was specificaly about... peace between the warring states. At the time Palestine was not a self declared independent state.

      It is now a self declared and Internationally recognized state but it doesn't have independence from Israeli control.

      UNSC resolution 252 and its EIGHT reminders are far closer to the two state mark than UNSC res 242

      "But you obviously don’t support a two-state solution"

      Strange ... I advocate the State of Israel get out of ALL non-Israeli territories, including those belonging to the State of Palestine.

    • @ Ian Matthews " Wow, this is an easy one to respond to. You clearly have issues with what happened in 1948"

      You're the one in denial buster

      "we can debate on that point"

      But you don't because you can't deny the FACT that Israel was recognized as it pleaded to be recognized, " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" . Nor can you show when Israel legally acquired any further territories.

      "but at least now I know you either purposely or ignorantly support Hamas terrorist attacks against Jewish civilians..."

      Quote me, verbatim pal or please just STFU, because false accusations are against the basic tenets of Judaism. The fact that you resort to breaking the basic tenets of Judaism on behalf of the JEWISH state only shows readers what you and your ugly kind are about!

      "don't give me this Israeli crap...through tunnels because you don't believe those Jewish people have a right to be there"

      Israelis, be they Jewish or Arab have no right to settle in non-Israeli territory! It's quite NORMAL and International Law, binding on ALL Nations, ALL Nationalities, ALL religions.

      //"Any government has an obligation to withdraw from ALL territory not belonging to the state, taking its illegal settler citizens. Any government that doesn’t can expect rockets, tunnels, all manner of resistance"//

      "Israel did that in 2005, read some of my other posts."

      Israel has never withdrawn from ALL non-Israeli territory. You have a problem reading the word "ALL"?

      "You still support the rockets, tunnels, and all manner of resistance...which means Hamas killing Palestinian civilians"

      Problem ..... I've never supported the killing of any civilians. Making false, completely unsupportable accusations only shows honest folk how low scum are willing to go.

      //No such thing as Jewish sovereignty buster. Sovereignty belongs to all the legitimate citizens within the territory of of a state//

      " You are so right that’s why I think the answer is a multinational state. "

      Hey dopey, I responded to what YOU wrote "Jewish sovereignty in the country currently known as Israel .... since Abbas took over, the PA has changed their tactics and now supports a political solution which will slowly end Jewish sovereignty." Why are Hasbarristers so mind numbingly &*^&% STUPID?

    • @ Ian Matthews " What these people seemingly ignore is that Gaza hasn’t been occupied since 2005."

      So how come Israel is allowed to control the airspace, territorial waters and movement of all people and all goods in and out of a non-Israeli territory, including to and from Egypt? How come Israel can make military incursions across the Armistice Demarcation Lines?

      " Gaza was violently taken over by Hamas (an organization whose charter is clearly a violation of UN Resolution 242)"

      UNSC 242? Including Article 31 of the Hamas Charter?

      " despite the closure of crossing and the blockade they were able to purchase and build 10,000 rockets and spend ~$100 million just on the 32 tunnels that went in to Israel"

      I'd love to see where you got your statistics... BTW None of the tunnels went to Israel. They may have crossed the Armistice Demarcation Line, but that isn't Israel's actual border. Israel's border has never legally changed since the day it was PROCLAIMED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT!

      "and it’s estimated that Hamas used 1.6 billion pounds of concrete to build their military infrastructure of tunnels in Gaza"

      How many of the alleged tunnels were actually concrete lined?

      "The government of Israel is far from perfect, but any government has an obligation to defend it’s citizens from infiltration by tunnels and rockets that could have killed thousands of people if it weren’t for the Iron Dome system"

      Any government has an obligation to withdraw from ALL territory not belonging to the state, taking its illegal settler citizens. Any government that doesn't can expect rockets, tunnels, all manner of resistance

      "If you believe in UN Resolution 242 then you clearly have to denounce Hamas"

      UNSC res 242 was to end conflict between Egypt/Lebanon/Syria/Jordan and Israel. It doesn't mention Hamas or Palestine.

      "you probably believe that Israel was illegitimate from 1948 and thus ignore that opposing Israel from that perspective is a justification for genocide against the Jews"

      Israel is not the Jews.

      "that is what is expressed by the Hamas charter"

      Article 31 says otherwise pal.

      " to end Jewish sovereignty in the country currently known as Israel"

      No such thing as Jewish sovereignty buster. Sovereignty belongs to all the legitimate citizens within the territory of of a state

      "IMO since Olso, and even more so since Abbas took over, the PA has changed their tactics and now supports a political solution which will slowly end Jewish sovereignty."

      Your opinion is sh*te. Abbas agreed to cede 78% of the Palestinians rightful territory to Israel for peace.

      " it doesn’t bode well for any kind of two-state solution under Resolution 242"

      UNSC res 242 had NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO with at two-state solution or Palestinian statehood. It doesn't mention Hamas, Palestine or negotiate borders. You're squawkin' out your rrrrrrrs buster

  • 'A blind evil rage that increased forever, day and night' --Mads Gilbert on Operation Protective Edge
    • @ ezra greenberg "Let us consider this so called Occupation. What was its genesis. Was there always an Occupation? "

      The Israeli Government itself CLAIMED in 1948 that it occupied non-Israeli territory.

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel , are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel "

      “international regulations” at the time say;

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III

      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      12 Aug 1948

      the Provisional Israeli Government proclaimed Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      Occupation can actually be dated from May 22nd 1948 by the Israeli Government's own admissions

      "Before 1967, and indeed between 1948 and 1967, there was no Occupation of Gaza and the West Bank"

      Strange ... under the Armistice Agreement Egypt had with Israel, Egypt was the Occupying Power over Gaza. Unlike Israel, Egypt didn't created illegal facts on the ground or illegally settle.

      "Only after Israel seized these territories in the defensive war of 1967.."

      Uh? Israel attacked in 1966 ... it preempted .. and again in 1967. No mention of any 'defensive' war in any of the UNSC resolutions, ceasefire agreements or peace treaties.

      "Only after Israel seized these territories in the defensive war of 1967 were they Occupied"

      So they are occupied. Glad we got that sorted.

      "(As an aside, is it not interesting to note that there was no effort to establish a Palestinian State between 1948 and 1967? Just saying…..)"

      Your ignorance is outstanding. The West Bank was under the sovereignty of Jordan. The West Bank as it is now known, was legally annexed at the request of the Palestinians Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950).

      The legal bilateral annexation by Jordan of what was officially renamed the West Bank, was never condemned by the UNSC.

      Unlike Israel's illegal unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem which has been condemned by the UNSC
      UNSC Res 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980. None of which have anything to do with race or religion. They’re based on the UN Charter, International Law and the GC’s, all of which Israel obliged itself to uphold. Alas it hasn’t.

      Gaza was occupied by Egypt. Neither Gaza or the West Bank could be declared an independent state under those circumstances. Nor could the remainder of Palestine occupied by Israel

      "Israel has been trying to find a just dispensation of these territories ever since, which would somehow reconcile Israeli security needs with legitimate Palestinian aspirations"

      Bullsh*t! The UNSC resolutions tell us Israel has been illegally annexing, illegally settling and; no state has the right to illegally acquire ANY territory by war for its own security. The acquisition of territory by force has been illegal since at least 1933

      "But why deal with nuance when one can just deal with sound bites and catch phrases?"

      All you have is sound bites and catch phrases. Nothing factual. Just the usual easily disproven Hasbara ziopoop.

    • @ ezra greenberg "Yes, it is in fact true that Israel struck first militarily with a pre emptive attack, which was 100% justifiable"

      In 1966 .... link to unispal.un.org

      " Why was it justifiable you may ask? (drumbeat please). Because Egypt in the preceding days had closed the Straits of Tiran, blocking Israeli shipping (a causa belli for war)"

      That was in 1967. BTW a blockade must be enforced to be a blockade. It was never challenged, therefore never enforced. A potential act of war that was never enacted ain't an act of anything pal.

      "The explicit rationale for this military pact was the extermination of Israel. "

      Sources please...

      "If someone draws a gun on you, you don’t have to wait until the bullet is in the air, you can shoot first! "

      Israel started shooting 1966 ....

    • @ ezra greenberg "Sure the Palestinian/Israelis love to carp and moan about the evil Zionist entity, but do you see any of them leaving? Any running for the exits to the Palestinian Territories,"

      Maybe they simply want to live in their homeland, i.e, that part of Palestine proclaimed and renamed Israel. I doubt very much they want to move just to satisfy your stupidity.

      "The biggest fear the Arabs in Israel have is that in any dispensation of territory, they will be made for of a Palestinian State"

      Uh? They're Israelis living in Israel. No Israeli territory has been on offer or for that matter demanded.

      "Even the Arabs in the big bad Occupied territories realize they never had it so good."

      Ah yes living under occupation is such fun! Ever thought of seeing a shrink?

      " they probably say to themselves sotto voce "I'll take my chance living under Israeli military rule any day!!" I don't blame them at all, but the hypocrisy is breath-taking"

      The unsubstantiated speculation on which you attempt to judge hypocrisy is breathtaking pal.

  • On being accused of anti-semitism by well meaning liberals
  • 'NYT' is furiously rewriting history of Gaza conflict
  • Former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren dropped as CNN 'analyst'
  • What I said to the couple holding a banner with a swastika on it
  • Israel, your brand is tanking
  • Seven congresspeople go to Israel on AIPAC's dime-- and one gets defensive about it
    • @ hophmi "1 million people were killed in Bosnia. 800,000 were killed in Rwanda."

      Over.

      " Around 170,000 civilians have died in Syria."

      Civil war. Other states / UN are not allowed to intervene unless asked by a majority representative.

      " But what people care most about is a conflict in which under 2,000 people have died. "

      In the 66 years Israel has been coveting and illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory by war and building illegal facts on the ground, far more than 2,000 people have died

      "The comparison of these conflicts with the I-P conflict is absurd on its face"

      Indeed. So why are you comparing them?

    • @ hophmi "Why have the Syrians kept them in refugee camps this long?"

      Odd that you ask ... You've been shown many times before ... It's because "Israel, the occupying Power" refuses to allow their rightful return to their homelands as Israeli citizens AND Israel, the occupying Power refuses to allow their rightful return to their homelands in non-Israeli territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "I guess for the same reasons the Lebanese have. "

      See above..

      "And that is because they hate Israelis more than they love Palestinians. "

      Care to explain why there is a complete lack of logic in that classic piece of Ziopuke

      "At the end of the day, Israel will remain the expression of Jewish self-determination"

      That would be fine if Israel wasn't in breach of International Law, the UN Charter, relevant conventions much of which was adopted in light of the atrocities visited upon our Jewish fellows by the stinking f*&^ing Nazis. However, according to the UNSC, Israel is in breach of those laws

      It would be fine if Israel wasn't in breach of the basic tenets of Judaism forbidding the coveting of other folks property & theft. However, Israel is in breach of the basic tenets of Judaism

      It would be fine if Israel wasn't acting illegally in non-Israeli territories, illegally selling land to vile illegal Israeli settlers in non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by war over the last 66 years.

      Because none of the above expresses any Jewish values I've ever heard of

      "and the Palestinians will either have a state or they won’t have one"

      They already have a state you stupid person. Palestine has been recognized by the vast majority of the Comity of Nations. You've been shown these facts before, yet you come here and spout your pathetic drivel over and over expecting to be taken seriously? Get a life!! Go whinge and moan to the people responsible for the current state of affairs. The idiotic Zionist Federation.

      What Palestine doesn't have is independence from Israeli oppression, Israeli occupation, freedom from Zionist colonization and its vile supporters

      " But they won’t have Israel as part of it"

      They don't want Israel as part of it. They want Israel to get the f*ck out of Palestine! The Palestinians have in front of the world offered to accept only 22% of their rightful territory for peace. Israel, supported by idiots like yourself, responded by building more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory.

  • Reading Amos Oz on Gaza
  • Crisis in Rafah: Palestinian civilians trapped trying to escape Israeli onslaught (Updated)
    • @ ezra greenberg "Only problem is, he failed to state the stupefyingly obvious STOP .." ... Israel from occupying other folk, stealing their territory, illegally settling, illegally selling non-Israeli territory to illegal Israeli settlers.

      Save your bullsh*t pal, it doesn't work here! Israel has been illegally acquiring territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" for the last 66 years.

    • @ Justpassingby "Finally someone at Mondoweiss that know what going on"

      That someone wouldn't be you. It's not in an Israeli propagandists brief.

      Israel is the Occupying Power over Gaza. As such it has the final say as to what, who and when anything or anyone goes in or out of Gaza! Under the Peace Treaty, Egypt is expressly forbidden to allow anything harmful to Israel to cross the Egyptian border!

      "Just as Abbas and the rest of arab ... "

      Uh oh .. link to talknic.wordpress.com bigots for Israel just can't seem to help themselves!

  • 'Dear American Jewish community, It's time to talk about Zionism'
    • @ Justpassingby "I was quoting from the author that said"

      Problem .... what you first said isn't what you're now saying ...

    • Zionists? Jews? Not the point! Talking about the colour of the flames doesn't put out a fire.

      It's Israel, THE STATE in breach of binding International Law, the UN Charter and relative Conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in the hundreds of resolutions giving Israel the opportunity to adhere to those binding legal obligations

      It's Israel, THE STATE dispossessed non-Jewish folk who had a legal right to citizenship in Israel in 1948, refusing their rightful return

      It's Israel, THE STATE illegally acquiring by war non-Israeli territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" for 66 years

      It's Israel, THE STATE illegally dispossessing non-Jews from non-Israeli territory, illegally supplanting them with Israeli citizens for 66 years, illegally selling illegal Israeli settlers non-Israeli land in non-Israeli territory.

      It's Israel, THE STATE who has never been able to afford to pay rightful compensation for its crimes against non-Jews who A) had a right to Israeli citizenship B) its neighbours for the wars it has started, the death damage and destruction, the non-Israeli territory in Palestine it has illegally acquired, the 66 years of illegal facts on the ground it has knowingly and purposefully created.

      It is Israel, THE STATE must be stopped!

    • @ Justpassingby "Yes if you believe jews have blood on their hands for being just jews you are a racist."

      Uh huh. So who here does believe "jews have blood on their hands for being just jews "? Can you quote them verbatim ....thx

      Those Jews with blood on their hands for dispossessing non-Jews, stealing non-Jewish/non-Israeli territory by war, slaughtering innocent non-Jewish babies, children, mothers, fathers to take their land, deserve the same criticism as any other people who'd do the same. They're vile, evil people! A disgrace to humanity and so are the dregs of humanity who blindly support them!

  • Cease-fire breaks down: Israeli shelling kills 50 after reported capture of soldier
    • A cease fire with Hamas is not a cease fire with the unity Govt representing the people of Palestine who have a right to continue to resist occupation

      Even if there is a cease fire, armistice agreement or peace treaty between Israel and a unity Govt representing all the people of Palestine, it only applies to the areas specified in that agreement, i.e., buffer zones and the like. They still have a right to attack and/or capture or expel armed foreigners in their rightful territory, ALL of their rightful territory!

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20
  • Remnick gets the timeline wrong
    • @ mondonut "They did not “know” they had been killed."

      Uh huh. So why did they launch a violent program of collective punishment!

  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language
    • @ ezra greenberg "please tell me what alternatives does Israel have?"

      It could adhere to International Law and the UN Charter by unilaterally withdrawing from ALL non-Israeli territory it has illegally acquired by war since being given, completely gratis, enough territory for a Jewish state in 1948

      " I am curious..."

      Your rhetoric shows that statement to be complete bullsh*t ! You drivel on. saying any stupid nonsense BUT what Israel is required to do BY LAW!

  • Video: If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you, says president of NY Board of Rabbis
  • Israel advocates are in a battle with US media
  • Israeli embassy puts Mona Lisa in a hijab -- 'Israel now, Paris next'
    • @ Djinn " Khamas weapons are so much more powerful when they misfire than when they fire"

      Almost as miraculous as 'negotiate borders' in UNSC res 242

    • Yes. Article 26.

      Also interesting
      Article 25 The attack or bombardment of towns, villages, habitations or buildings which are not defended, is prohibited.

      Israel needs Hamas to defend so it can bombard!!!

      Article 23 ... it is especially prohibited:--

      To declare that no quarter will be given;

      To employ arms, projectiles, or material of a nature to cause superfluous injury;

    • @ ivri "Given the already tense relationships between locals and Arab immigrants in many countries this may serve as a trigger for an explosion on that global front – and if so it will dwarf its Gaza origins in extent and importance"

      Uh huh. Say .... why don't you open your other eye .... what about the tense relationships with Arab locals in the M E and the Western countries and ziorganizations who've continually colonized, invaded, subdivided and interfered for over a century. Maybe it's time for them to stop invading, interfering, get their troops and their military aided proxies out of all non-western countries and STAY OUT! Never been tried!

    • It's a pleasure. I'm simply tired of the bullsh*t and pathetic excuses put up in defense of Israel's indefensible actions

    • @ yonah fredman Hey buddy, take your pathetic whining and moaning to the Zionist Federation and the Israeli govt. They're the cause of the unrest. The Palestinians didn't ask to be colonized, didn't cause the Holocaust, have never invaded Israel, owe Israel nothing.

      Meanwhile link to wp.me

    • Search for : Hague Conventions of 1907 link to avalon.law.yale.edu

  • (Updated) In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza
    • Say ..... Are there any comparable pictures from around the world of all the marches FOR violent US armed Israeli intransigence?

      Surely there are such marches in numerous capital cities.... Yes?

    • jon s ///"They are their own people you moron. Hamas are Palestinians."//

      "No kidding. I’ll make it clear to you: The Hamas terrorists are trying to get their own people, Palestinian civilians, killed. Get it?"

      I get it! You're an idiot for Israeli expansionism trying to justify Israeli violence by repeating mantras for which there is absolutely no evidence what so ever. Accusations do not pass for evidence.

      On the other hand, there is plenty of actual evidence the Israeli Government purposefully, actively and openly encourages and assists Israeli citizens to illegally settle in occupied territories where they are sure to be amongst the expected and rightful violent reprisals of the occupied.

      What kind of idiotic putrid government purposefully encourages its most stupid citizens to break a convention adopted to protect ALL citizens, including those of "the Occupying Power", from the highly likely violent consequences of occupying another people?

      Furthermore what kind of putrid idiotic government illegally sells land in territory it has under military occupation to the stupid illegal settlers it has purposefully endangered?

    • jon s " I’m certainly aware of the imbalance: we have Iron Dome, and shelters and security rooms..."

      For someone who is certainly aware, you miss, fighter bombers, tanks, warships, helicopters, satellite surveillance, dime weapons, fletchettes, white phosphorus, billions in US military aid

      " and on the other side the Hamas terrorists are trying to get as many of their own people killed as possible"

      They are their own people you moron. Hamas are Palestinians.

      " while also trying to murder us"

      You murder them to get their land. Best YOU get out of ALL non-Israeli territory, go live in Israel that's what it's for....

      Take your pathetic whining to the people who're responsible for Israelis illegally being in non-Israeli territory for 66 years, the Israeli Govt

    • @ Pat Nguyen "Referring to the occupation that people advocate reversing, do you suggest going back to 1948 or 1967 in order to implement what you see as appropriate"

      In order to show the same compassion and generosity as Palestinians have" for Israelis who have been duped by the vile, lying, territory coveting Zionist Movement's state : 1967

      Based on Israel's actual borders proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government requested and subsequent occupation according to the Israeli Government : 1948

    • @ Pat Nguyen "On point #2, can you please provide the definition of occupation?"

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III

      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      " Specifically, is it based on 1948 or 1967?"

      International Law in 1907. It has never been repealed, in fact it has been further codified by the Geneva Conventions under the UN of which Israel is a member

      These statements are from the Israeli Government itself:

      1) May 22nd 1948UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel " ... the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestineoutside the territory of the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      The Israeli Government again!

      2) 12 Aug 1948 Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      Take your pathetic whining to those responsible, the Zionist Movement's state.

  • Oren's charge that networks showcase Palestinian dead at behest of Hamas is 'obscene' -- Penhaul
    • You should stick to best practices. Note the correction in the article ... not everyone reads the comments. Ziocolonistas will use anything against you no matter how trivial it might seem.

  • Joan Rivers slams CNN and BBC coverage of Gaza -- 'you're all insane'
    • @ Jackdaw "The Palestinians did start it and everyone outside your echo chamber know it"

      How did the Palestinians start it? Mmmmm? Did they ask the Zionist Federation to decide to colonize Palestine circa 1897? WOW! That's amazing!

    • "If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out"

      Uh huh. But why would New Jersey be firing rockets at New York?

      New York isn't illegally acquiring territory in New Jersey by war. New York hasn't illegally annexed parts of New Jersey. New Yorkers aren't illegally settling in New Jersey. New Yorkers aren't dispossessing folk from New Jersey.

      I O W New Jersey has no reason to resist aggression from New York becaue there ain't any.

      Whereas Israel has for 66 years been illegally acquiring Palestinian territory by war. Illegally annexing, illegally settling.

      Ms Rivers analogy is STUPID!!!

  • Which crowded cities can you fire into?
    • @Jon66 ... does a double down on stupid

      "Is it identified so that you know it’s a military installation?"

      The IDF headquarters address is PUBLICLY AVAILABLE! Only a real f*ckwit is gonna believe IDF headquarters ISN'T a military installation? Is there no iodine in Israeli salt?

      Sheeeeeesh. If Jon66 is an example of Israel's level of intelligence, no wonder Israel has been able to dupe Israelis into thinking Israel has no borders, has been able to convince Israelis the UN is biased when it has been Israel refusing to adhere to its legal obligations, has been able to convince them to illegally settle in Occupied Territories in breach of a convention adopted to protect them from the highly likely violent consequences and collateral expected when one belligerently occupies another people, has been able to illegally sell them non-Israeli land in occupied territory. Has been able to dig itself into an illegal facts on the ground black hole from which it cannot afford to legally escape without Palestinian generosity ceding more than 50% of their rightful territory to Israel. Has been able to convince Israelis the Palestinians do not want peace when in fact it and their land has been offered time and again link to pages.citebite.com

    • @Jon66 does Habara stupid so well!

      IDF have their headquarters in empty isolated fields? WOW!!! I wonder if they know!!

  • Israel's actions 'unjustified' in eyes of women, non-whites, Dems, indy's, and those under 50 -- Gallup
    • @ Jon66
      "perhaps those with more formal education understand that Israel can’t wait idly while rockets are fired at her."

      Israel could have withdrawn from ALL non-Israeli territory as required by law decades ago. Decades before Hamas was founded in response to Israeli aggression. Decades before there were any rockets

    • @ yonah fredman " If one assumes that Israel has a right to exist "

      ....within the actual legal extent of its proclaimed and recognized sovereignty...

      Alas, the Jewish state has exceeded it's sovereign extent for 66 yrs, illegally acquiring territory the Israeli Government said was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to pages.citebite.com

      " then Israel has a right to react to rockets"

      Israel DESERVES rockets for exceeding its sovereign extent..... It's that simple pal!

  • 9 Reasons why Israel is under rocket attack 
    • @ ezra greenberg Watching you wade thru the tired Israeli propaganda bullsh*t I can't help but feel a little sorry for you and your kind. Do they teach you how to be stupid?

      "Any honest person would have to answer “yes” to this question. "

      No an honest person would ask why are they firing rockets at the Occupying Power 66 years after Israel illegally acquired by war more than 50% of the territory that remained of Palestine after Israel was declared independent of Palestine.

      "In other words, it is HAMAS who is driving the conflict"

      Odd Hamas didn't exist in 1948 when Jewish forces were busy dispossessing non-Jews from territory the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT said were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Hamas didn't exist in 1966 when Israel attacked, starting what led to the '67 war

      Hamas are a response to Israeli aggression that preceded 1987 and the founding of Hamas.

      "They don’t care about their people at all"

      LOL. You're really quite stupid. Hamas ARE PALESTININANS. They are their people.

      they want them to be killed, particularly the women and children, whose lifeless bodies make wonderful photo ops"

      They'd have their brothers, sisters, children killed for a photo op? Say have you ever thought of seeing a shrink?

      "Place the blame where it belongs .... Hamas"

      Hamas (1987) are a response to almost a hundred years of Zionist colonization (from (1897).

      Israel could get out of ALL non-Israeli territories, take its putrid illegal settlers and go live in Israel. It has never been tried. Since May 15th 1948 there have ALWAYS been Israeli troops in other folk's territory.

      The ugly truth is that the State of Israel has never been able to afford the rightful compensation of those it has dispossessed. Now 66 years later its illegal facts on the ground are so vast, to adhere to the law the costs would be so astronomical, it would mean a completely failed bankrupt state.

      You're bitching at the wrong people. Take your pathetic whinging and moaning to the Zionist Federation who decided they'd like to colonize Palestine in 1897 and successive Israeli Governments who have PURPOSEFULLY placed Israeli civilians in danger by A) Illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory by war B) purposefully encouraging Israeli Jews to illegally settle in non-Israeli territory, C) breaking the GC's which were adopted to protect ALL civilians (including those of the Occupying Power) from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • Something isn't making sense.

      A) Only now Israel discovers these tunnels? Yet they are alleged to intrude into the Israeli side of the Armistice demarcation line and would have been easily discovered using technology available years ago.

      B) If they actually exist at all, (we're seeing very few photos, just a lot of repeats Hasbara style), they could just as easily have been built by Israel headed in the opposite direction. In fact far easier for Israel to have built them, less likely to be discovered by the Palestinians and serve Israel far more purposes.

      C) Were they built to attack Israel, they'd only be used once before being discovered and the chances of being discovered once under the Israeli side of the Armistice Demarcation Line would escalated ex potentially before there'd be a chance to use them.

      It doesn't add up that the Palestinians would invest that much for such a limited, if any, result at all.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • @ JeffB If you really wanted to know about human rights, you'd have looked for yourself and you wouldn't be asking such idiotic questions.

    • @ wes "No peace unti gaza dimilitarized"

      Gaza has a legal right to be militarized and a legal right to attack the Occupying Power over any Palestinian territory.

      Israel has no legal right to illegally acquire ANY territory by war, illegally annex any territory, illegally settle any territory. Israel has no legal right to demand recognition, no legal right to demand other folks territory for its defense, no legal right to have more defensible borders than its neighbours. No legal right to demand the Palestinians be demilitarized.

      Why should Israel expect peace if it refuses to withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territory, taking its illegal settlers when it goes, as required by law.

    • @ JeffB " Wanting to create a Greater Israel on the West Bank is different than wanting to have a long term truce with Gaza. The two aren’t connected issues

      UNSC res 1860 says otherwise ... ever dared to read it?

    • @ Jon66 "And that definition is?"

      Were you actually interested you'd have looked for yourself. As you're too stupid or helpless I guess we'll just have to show EVERYONE who's reading, which isn't gonna help your argument at all.

      Let's start where the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT admits it has borders and occupies territories "outside the State of Israel"

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestineoutside the territory of the State of Israel"

      “international regulations” at the time say;

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      Every time you flap your ill informed ignorant yap you afford the opportunity to show honestly interested folk factual, irrefutable and incriminating information. Keep up the good work!

    • @ JeffB "The first thing a host is going to ask is, “Really? You are prepared to fully renounce right of return?”

      Why you stupid stupid person? The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel gave them the right to Israeli citizenship.

      "And of course in the specific case of Gaza the occupation did end "

      So how come Israel can make a military incursion whenever it likes? How come Israel can control Palestinian territorial waters and airspace? Why can Israel demand Egypt close the Gaza Egypt border? These things are only permissible to an occupying power.

      "What started this last round of fighting was" .. is Israel's refusal to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter for 66 years.

    • @ Jon66 "Defining the “occupation” is one of the key problems"

      Officially the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT had no trouble in 1948. Two instances
      1) May 22nd 1948 ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"
      "areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard
      International regulations said and still say Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      2) Aug 12th 1948 ... Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation
      Israel has never legally annexed any territories it has occupied.

      "Israel has not defined its borders"

      You're repeating pathetic ziosh*t pal! The ISRAELI GOVERNMENT proclaimed Israel's boundaries to the world in its plea for recognition. " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947," Israel was recognized as it asked to be recognized.

      It's amazing how ignorant zionist poopmeisters are. They know f*ck all about one of the most important documents in the history of the State of Israel.

      "and each Palestinian group defines “occupation” differently."

      Irrelevant there is only one definition under the Laws of War. (as above)

      Go poop somewhere else buddy, here your wading around in it will only be be laughed at

    • If UNRWA handed them to Hamas where's the problem? Hamas is the authority. Hamas is permitted to be armed... Morons for Israel seem to think only the rogue state is allowed arms

    • How will the Hasbarristers spin this? 'Germany should have evacuated this family but Germany needs the deaths of German children and parents appearing in the papers to get sympathy'

    • @ dimadok " Israel is not a losing side"

      You think only of its ability to slaughter and destroy more than the Palestinians with its US funded high tech human slaughtering equipment.

      Meanwhile Israel has lost its moral compass. Lost sight of the basic tenets of Judaism, esp on coveting other folks property, murder, false accusations, lies. Lost contact with humanity, Judaism, ethics, morality

      "...there is no obligation to not shoot anyone who tries to enter Israel’s borders"

      What borders would they be buddy? Care to show where they are? When they were recognized? By who? Don't try the usual Hasbara, it's so easily shown to be bullsh*t, it's a complete dis-service to its own cause.

      The official record shows only what the Israeli Government asked to be recognized by and what you MUST ignore "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" No other borders have ever been agreed upon or recognized.

      Why do you think Israel refuses to adhere to UNSC resolutions mmmm? It can't afford to recognize it's actual borders, it'd be sent bankrupt! So under the protection of the US UNSC veto vote it tries to blackmail Palestine into a negotiated settlement, forfeiting even more of their rightful territory to the decaying 'Jewish' state, thereby circumventing Israel's moral & legal obligations.

      " certainly there is no obligation not to defend itself and citizens from the indiscriminate bombardment by rockets from Gaza"

      There has never been a ceasefire negotiated with a unitary body representative of ALL the people of Palestine. You can blame Israel for preventing a unity Palestinian government.

      So, as long as the population are under occupation, the occupied have a right to bombard the Occupying Power, collateral BTW is permissible....

      Like all idiots for Israel's illegal facts on the ground policies you're bitching to the wrong people. Take your whining bullsh*t to those responsible. The Zionist Movement's state

  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • @ Mikhael "The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago"

      According to the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" Israel has not since legally acquired ANY further territories. (It has been illegal to acquire territory by war, ANY WAR, since at least 1933 link to pages.citebite.com )

      "Nothing could be more just than a people ....etc etc etc... in its original land"

      Your nonsense doesn't compute pal. The State of Israel was declared in considerably different territory from the alleged/mythical/historical homeland of the Jewish people. Israel has never legally acquired any territory since being proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government pleaded to be recognized, per UNGA 181.

      " Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document"

      Would that be Article 31 ziocolonistas dare not cite?
      Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      "End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza etc etc etc..."

      Problem. Hamas are drawn from the population of Gaza atheist, Christian, Muslim. Your repetition of ignorant and really stupid Israeli propaganda mantras only reveals that you believe really stupid ignorant Israeli propaganda mantras.

      "Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish"

      Same old tired idiotic propaganda bullsh*t! Some folk have no religion and some religions do not observe the Sabbath, they're penalized by the Jewish state.

      " just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks"

      Really? They have the enforced equivalent of the Sabbath. WOW! I wonder if they know...

      " Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence "participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions."

      Uh huh. Those words were written when Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were busy dispossessing people who should have had a right to Israeli citizenship, as if the drafters of the declaration didn't know what Jewish forces were up to. IOW it's inherent bullsh*t drafted by zionist colonizers!

      "In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens "

      That's not what the Declaration says pal.

      Accordingly we, members of the People's Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel and of the Zionist Movement, are here assembled on the day of the termination of the British Mandate over Eretz-Israel and, by virtue of our natural and historic right and on the strength of the resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.

      You're claiming Israel was declared on behalf of Jews no matter what their citizenship. But they have to gain Israeli citizenship. It ISN'T automatic.

      "it is possible for .... Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law ... "

      Is it 20% of the judiciary? 20% of the Parliament? And even if it was, so what? Wouldn't that be NORMAL? Why do you need to make a point of something that should be but isn't NORMAL? BTW what relevance has it to Israel's ILLEGAL policies in NON-Israeli territory? Absolutely NIL! IOW it's typical of the nonsensical drivel we hear from Israel's apologists

      " In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian ... etc etc ... In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level .... non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level ... "

      So what? It doesn't change the fact that Israel is in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions, i.e. a rogue state

      "One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees"

      That's odd. Israel admitted some 500,000 Arab Jews, refugees from the Arab States in 1948 - 52. BTW UNRWA catered for them in Israel until Israel finally decided to look after them

      "As a person who supports justice"

      Your dialogue betrays that notion.

      " I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population."

      Bravo..

      " When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled "stateless Palestinian refugees" in their Palestinian state"

      Why? They had no right to citizenship in territories slated for the Arab state. Earlier you quoted the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.... are you now saying it was the bullsh*t it has proven to be!?

      " they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state"

      Uh? They already DID have and still do have a right to Israeli citizenship, it's in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel you silly silly person! Unless of course it's bullsh*t!

    • @ Hophmi "It’s funny how Israelis die and you people ask who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory"

      Problem. It isn't funny when ANYONE DIES and I haven't asked "who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory" Your need to fabricate only shows honest folk how dis-honest you are.

      "But when I suggest, based on Hamas’s own propaganda, and its practice of telling people not to evacuate"

      Again you're fabricating. Hamas is not telling people to ignore the warnings to evacuate their soon to be bombed homes. They're being told to ignore Israeli propaganda

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Again your need to fabricate and twist what has been said only shows how dishonest YOU are!

      " that they want dead civilians on TV to gain public support"

      When you believe your own propaganda, like the Nazis, you become part of the problem!

      " you profess ignorance

      Poking holes in your precious propaganda mantras isn't ignorance. Your propaganda mantras are tho.... Keep up th' good work pal, your dis-service to your cause is brilliant
      "No one outside the cult is fooled by this, talknic."

      Your arrogance and denial overfloweth like settler sh*t onto a Palestinian farm, keep wading, dude, it's fun to watch

    • @hophimi " this is exactly what Hamas wants. Lots of pictures of dead kids on TV. "

      WOW! When you believe your own propaganda you're in deep sh*te.

      Hamas is drawn from the Palestinian population. They're grown up Palestinian kids who've lived their WHOLE lives under the jackboot of occupation. The kids you stupidly say they want killed for publicity purposes are of the brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins of Hamas.

      Sorry pal, your bullsh*t doesn't make the grade here, but please do keep wading around in it, it's so revealing as to the types of people who support Israel's illegal expansionist policies.

  • Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
    • @ hophmi "Part of the problem with the Geneva Conventions is that it they were not written with urban warfare in mind"

      Convention (IV) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Personsin Time of War

      So no civilian persons live in urban areas? WOW! That's amazing!

      Whatever bullsh*t you need to write eh hophmi. Do you really make a complete idiot of yourself for free?

    • hophmi "No, I’m not talking about field hospitals. I’m talking about civilian hospitals, as is the Geneva Conventions in Article 19. "

      Uh huh. Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

      ARTICLE 18

      Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick etc. It's not talking about rehabilitation hospitals already established in peace time

      Commentary - Art. 19. Chapter III : Medical units and establishments

    • @ hophmi You're talking about field hospitals. The hospital in question existed BEFORE Israel' slaughterfest began, rather hard to re-situate.

  • The heart of the problem with Israel: The mass expulsion of the Palestinian people
    • @ hophmi
      "Thanks for recognizing that Israel has a basic right of self-defense to protect its citizens"

      Same for all states, independent or not, including Palestine.

      " Since Hamas rocket have been fired at about 80% of Israel’s civilians, all inside the Green Line"

      A) Your propaganda nonsense is disproven by the IDF Memorial site which tells us more Israeli military personnel have been killed and injured than Israeli civilians have by collateral. It also tells us more military sites have been hit than civilians sites.

      B) The Green line was a ceasefire line adopted into the 1949 Armistice Agreement. It does not constitute a border.

      In fact the Armistice Agreements state link to pages.citebite.com 2. The "Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary ..."

      Israel's actual borders are those recognized as the Israeli Government asked to be recognized May 15th 1948 effective 00:01 May 1th 1948 link to trumanlibrary.org a fact you and your stupid kind MUST ignore

      "I’m glad you now approve of Israel’s decision to defend itself by addressing the problem in Gaza"

      Cute try. So transparent. So expected. So moronic. Save your drivel pal. I've always approved of the right of ALL states and people to protect themselves.

      You need reminding, it is Israel who has been for 66 years creating illegal facts of the ground. Israel in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving Israel the OPPORTUNITY to abide by the binding laws and UN Charter they emphasize and re-affirm. Instead the Jewish state has continued to ignore, continued its illegal activities.

      So take your pathetic whining complaints to the Zionist Federation and Israeli Government who actively encourage Israel's Jewish citizens to break the law by illegally settling in non-Israeli territory, thereby endangering them to the certain violent consequences one can expect when one dispossesses and occupies another people while stealing their territory.

    • @ hophmi "The argument that driving out the Palestinian population was necessary to Israel’s creation is that had it not happened there would have been .... "

      So it DID happen! Well, thanks for clarifying that hophmi. That ol' ziocaine sure does a whiz bang job on whatever meager brain cells one might have had to begin with.

      "..there would have been a civil war "

      There already was a civil war until 00:01 May 15th 1948 ME time, when Israel was proclaimed within the UNGA res 181 boundaries! The civil war was purposefully escalated under Plan Dalet in the months preceding the Israeli Government's undeniable proclamation to the world of its sovereign extent per UNGA re 181 perhaps the most significant fact in the history of the modern state of Israel. One which idiots for Israeli intransigence and the Jewish Colonial warmongers must purposefully choose to ignore. At 00:01 May 15th 1948 the civil war became a war waged by the State of Israel on what remained of Palestine!

      "and the Jews would have been massacred, as Arab leaders then were threatening to do"

      According to this Israeli Government source, the Arab states were officially proposing a democratic unity state with freedom of religion for all!

      “The Governments of the Arab States emphasise, on this occasion, what they have already declared before the London Conference and the United Nations, that the only solution of the Palestine problem is the establishment of a unitary Palestinian State, in accordance with democratic principles, whereby its inhabitants will enjoy complete equality before the law, [and whereby] minorities will be assured of all the guarantees recognised in democratic constitutional countries, and [whereby] the holy places will be preserved and the right of access thereto guaranteed. link to mfa.gov.il

      BTW The Arab Regional Powers had a legal right under the UN Charter Chapt VII to protect non-Israeli territory from Israeli forces already, at 00:01 May 15th 1948 ME time, in territory not slated for the Jewish state, not proclaimed as the Jewish state and not even today officially recognized as part of the Jewish state. link to wp.me

      "It has nothing to do with valuing one life over another"

      Weird .... this yours? "and the Jews would have been massacred" BTW the official UN records show it was non-Jews massacred, dispossessed, both within territory slated for and proclaimed as the Jewish state and in territory which according to the Israeli Government on May 22nd 1948 was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "The BDS movement, by denying Israelis any meaningful right of self-defense ..."

      You're spouting bullsh*t! Israel has every right to protect its own people in its OWN territories. It has no right to encourage and assist Israeli citizens to be in non-Israeli territories under Israeli Occupation, illegally settling, illegal benefiting from the resources in Occupied Territories. It has no legal right to claim, sell, settle Occupied Territories.

      "... value the lives of Palestinians over the lives of Jews"

      Oh that's so cute. Are you going for the record for how many times can you repeat bullsh*t before you realize your bullsh*t is just bullsh*t. All lives are equal. Asking a state to adhere to the law does NOT value one life over another.

      Meanwhile idiots for Israel must purposefully fail to comprehend that ALL Israeli citizens, incl non-Jews, are prohibited by International Law and conventions from illegally settling in non-Israeli territory.

    • @ biorabbi "... without answering

      1. Why are pro-Palestinian marchers outside a Paris Synagogue in the first place?"

      Something that obvious needs answering? How on earth did you learn breath out? They should protest outside a catholic church?

      It's logical to be in proximity of an establishment where Jews gather and might be prompted to lobby the Jewish state to stop its slaughter of innocent non-Jews in non-Israeli territories the Zionist Movement's state covets.

      "2. Where is the outrage over Assad and Isis ..... By negating / downplaying anti-semitism, Phil and Annie show they true agenda"

      Derailing the threat and ye olde Antisemitic card is so cute, so transparent, scraping the bottom of the ziopoop bucket

  • Israel is in a pickle
    • The IDF are legitimate targets so it ain't terrorism. However wearing IDF uniforms is a no no. Likewise Israeli undercover ops and assassins not having visible arms and a recognizable insignia, like the ugly gutless naziesque thugs who beat Tariq Abu Khdeir.

  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
  • Legitimacy crisis: Netanyahu acknowledges Israeli assault lacked legitimacy
    • Israel took out the children and, as there were no after explosions, failed to take out the alleged great concentration of weapons.

      Tell one lie and either you admit to it or keep lying. The Zionist Movement's state has chosen the latter

  • 'Hamas... is putting their own people at risk' -- State Dep't on Israel killing 4 boys on Gaza beach
    • The information and sources Hostage's swift and accurate finger on the button bought to the debate are still in the Mondoweiss archives, I'm sure he'd be sorely disappointed were it not used to its fullest extent

    • @ DaBakr "HRW ........ since it has proven by its hiring of ISM "

      Source .... thx or STFU ... thx

    • @ DaBakr "Don’t think hostage isn’t peeking in at the lamenting of his absence"

      Not everyone has the same self centred need for attention as the harnessed trolls for the Zionist Movement's state

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
  • The trojan horse of liberal Zionism
    • @ hophmi "Talknic, your quote says exactly what I said"

      The fact that you can tell such a putrid lie when the posts are there for all to see and compare is quite amazing! It appears you really are quite insane!

    • @ hophmi " Most people who know me have no idea I post here.."

      Little wonder, being proved wrong time and time again is nothing to advertise, especially if you do it for free

      "I’m here for a couple of reasons. The first is to learn what there is to learn ..."

      Have you learned that Israel LIES about not having proclaimed its borders? Have you learned that Israel illegally encourages Israeli Jews to illegally settle in Occupied Territories that are not yet Israeli? Furthermore that Israel sells them land in territories that're not yet Israeli?

      What exactly have you learned apart from how to deny, ignore, repeat BS, obfuscate, lie et al

      "The second is to test my perspective on Israel against the criticism of others"

      And when your perspective fails the test, you ignore it. Clever stuff!

      "The third is to follow the growing trend of antisemitism in the pro-Palestinian movement, which I believe is a major problem for Jews and Palestinians alike"

      What're you doing here?

    • @ hophmi "Hamas has told people to disregard Israeli instructions to evacuate ... ."

      Quote verbatim ... please .... thx

      Meanwhile: The actual statement says NOTHING about disregarding Israeli instructions to evacuate their soon to be bombed homes.

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Zionist weasel worded failures are so cute!

    • @ hophmi "So, I'm guessing in your time in Navy, you never heard of anyone missing a target or hitting something they didn't intend to hit. Never happened, right?"

      Seems to only and often happen when the IDF slaughter Palestinians. Otherwise it's terrorism and purposeful targeting of Israeli civilians with un-guided home made rockets.

      Say... if they're un-guided.....

  • Following missile attack last Saturday, al-Wafa Hospital receives warnings of new round of bombings
    • @ MahaneYehude1

      "While most of you agree that Israel commits war crimes and most of you blame only Israel in the situation"

      Who should one blame for Israel's war crimes? New Zealand?

      "Until today, after one week of the operation I didn’t hear your opinions in the following subjects"

      Strange. These topics have been covered extensively for YEARS

      "1) Do you think that missile attacks on Israeli cities and towns are war crimes?"

      The occupied are allowed armed resistance against "Israel, the Occupying Power" and allowed to bombard cities and towns protected by the Israeli military // Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.//

      "2) Do you think that firing missiles from populated regions in Gaza strip is moral?"

      Why would it be immoral? Israel NEEDS them to fight from their towns, villages, cities, its a LEGAL pre-requisite for attacking Palestinians // Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.//

      BTW the Palestinians don't have the necessary shiny new high tech human slaughtering equipment Israel has to take the war to the ocean or the skies or from some safe cyber war room. No airplanes, war ships from which to fight the Occupying Power, no satellite surveillance to help them target Israeli military

      "3) If Israel kills civilians deliberately, why Hamas asks Gaza citizens to stay at homes in order to protect them?"

      A) ALL of Gaza is a war zone!
      B) Where is there to flee to when ALL the crossings are closed under the 2005 agreement and the Egypt/Israel Peace treaty by the "Israel, the Occupying Power"? It is BTW illegal to prevent civilians from fleeing a war zone //Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. //
      C) Please quote verbatim Hamas asking Gaza citizens to stay at homes in order to protect them. thx .... I'll wait...
      Meanwhile that shiny new ziopuke meme fails as spectacularly as the rest of their bullsh*t

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Zionist weasel worded failures are so cute!
      "4) While most of you agree that the photo from Sderot shows Israelis watching the bombing of Gaza is not moral, do you think that Palestinians celebrating the missile attacks is moral?"

      What's the difference except that the Israelis are safer in Sderot from the Palestinians than they are from dying of obesity

      "5) Do you think Hamas allows freedom of speech in Gaza?"

      Irrelevant. BTW Freedom of speech is not protected by law in Israel. As a matter of fact Israel has never even had a legally elected govt, under the mandatory and promised constitution

      "6) With so many evidences and so many videos and testimonies, why Palestine doesn’t appeal to the ICC?"

      Catch up spud. Potatos left in the bag rot and stink almost as much as zionists' pathetic excuses link to icc-cpi.int

      "I appreciate honest answers"

      The record shows you don't

  • Israeli onslaught shatters western belief that Arabs are source of violence
    • @ Mikhael "Israel is here to stay as a Jewish state long after we are all ground to dust"

      I'll bet the Romans and 3rd Reich had similar notions

      "There will never be any mass exodus of Jews from their homeland."

      Is there any actual evidence there ever was a mass exodus?

      Less than half of Israeli citizens have two passports, as most Israeli Jews are are descended from families that formerly lived in countries like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, etc."

      Uh huh. They'd be Arab Jews ...

      "Those countries do not offer citizenship to Israeli Jews"

      Why would they? Are Israelis stateless? I thought Israel was the Jewish state. BTW It's very rare that countries at war ever offer citizenship to their enemies.

      "Some Israelis have applied for secondary passports in countries where their ancestors had fled from, e.g., Hungary, Poland, etc. This makes it easier for some of us to travel and do business, an EU passport is convenient, but, with exceptions, most Israelis don’t want to permanently resettle among those who mistreated their ancestors" ...

      ... 70 years ago. Statistics tell us those who mistreated their ancestors would be a tiny tiny, very old, minority

      "There are already equal rights for all citizens in Israel, a multi-religious, multi-ethnic society"

      Cute theory

  • Palestinian member of Knesset removed from meeting for saying, 'Your hands are covered with blood'
    • @ yonah fredman "Shameless Mondoweiss commenter Rusty Pipes quoting Bashar Assad in any context using the word freedom. "

      Uh? What's shameless in reporting a speech?

      " I vomited after the first sentence"

      Like The Exorcist kinda thing? If Palestine attains independence I'll be happy to lend some large buckets

  • As we sat down to break the fast, everything in the house started smashing and flying
    • @ JustJessetr

      " Perhaps if no one could kill each other, there might be space for some kind of dialogue"

      Perhaps if Israel adhered to International Law and the UN Charter and withdrew from all non-Israeli territory it has illegally acquired since being proclaimed " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" there wouldn't even be need for dialogue .... just astronomical reparations that the Jewish State has simply never been able to afford.

      "And however much it costs to build bomb shelters in Gaza, the PA and Hamas have plenty of international aid"

      International aid doesn't come as cash and if it did, they would have to import steel and concrete and machinery and all manner of stuff prohibited and/or restricted through ALL borders by "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      "Oh, and as for my own suggestion, it’s not new: Hamas should change it’s charter. Finally!"

      Including Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” ?

      Say will Lukid change its charter?

    • @ JustJessetr "Where is the money to build the shelters, Hamas????"

      Can't build shelters with money, it takes steel, concrete, equipment

      "Do you not care about the people who elected you???"

      They are the people who elected them you stupid stupid person! Say ... where did your sudden burst of compassion come from other than the need to demonize Hamas whose numbers are drawn from the people who elected them

      "Is there ONE shelter in all of Gaza that your people can run to???"

      Being buried alive under apartment blocks flattened by Israel's modern precision human slaughtering devices isn't exactly ideal.

  • Sullivan and Leveretts throw in the towel on two-state solution
  • Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
    • @ JustJessetr "That’s why Israel is considering annexation"

      A) Unilateral annexation is illegal (see UNSC res 252)

      B) If Israel is considering annexation, it IS NOT YET Israeli and Israeli civilians are there ILLEGALLY!

      C) If it is not yet Israeli WTF is Israel doing selling land there to illegal Israeli settlers?

      What kind of sick state sells land in territory it does not own to civilians who should not be there after encouraging them to break a convention adopted to protect them (yes it is to protect ALL civilians incl those of "Israel, the Occupying Power") from the very likely violent consequences of occupying another people.

  • Federal official fires gun at pro-Palestine demonstrators following scuffle in LA
    • JustJessetr " it’s perfectly clear that Israel’s jumping into a fight when the enemy was knocking on it’s door in ’67 is both an admirable and legal move"

      Uh huh. 1966 link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      "injustices need to be righted. But at some point I simply have to take my own side in a fight"

      The side of injustice, illegality, aggression, theft, lies, false accusations .... cute. You must be very proud

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
    • Naftush "3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section, *unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities*"

      Must make you and your fellow apologists red faced...

      BTW Why are you now citing the additional GC protocols. A) Israel isn't a signatory. B) I thought the Israeli apologist's narrative was that GC's are not applicable

      Must be Israel apologist hypocrisy at work

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