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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel illegally acquired more and more land outside of it's actual Sovereign boundaries. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, hate snail mail. I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)


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  • NYT takes on Europe's recognition of a Palestinian state
    • " shouldn’t we all say that recognizing Israel is premature unless and until it occur as a result of a negotiated agreement with the Palestinians? "

      Why? The countries of the EU and the UK have already recognized Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Israel. Whatever remain/ed/s of Palestine after the proclaimed independence and recognition of Israel, is by default A) NOT Israeli, B) the remains of Palestine, be it a state, sovereignty, non-state entity or whatever the Palestinians care to make it.

      That the Palestinians are now willing to forgo 78% of their rightful territory, is incredibly generous....

      Say .... what is Israel offered the Palestinians towards peace in the past 66 years?

      To swap occupied Palestinian territory for occupied Palestinian territory, so that Israel can legally acquire Palestinian territory it has illegally acquired by force. Which doesn't actually amount to an offer.

      It's a demand. A demand that has no legal basis what so ever.

    • @ walktallhangloose "The Montevideo Convention applies to sovereign states who control (are sovereign over) their territory"

      It doesn't actually refer to 'sovereignty', only to "states".

      ARTICLE 1

      The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

      ALSO NOTE:

      ARTICLE 4

      States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

      " Unfortunately, Palestine does not control its territory: Israel does."

      The Military Occupation of the territory of a state in part or whole does not negate the state or it's sovereignty over its rightful territory. See Schwebel/Lauterpatch/Herzog link to A state may 'restore' sovereignty over its territory by war if necessary, especially if UNSC Chapt VI resolutions fail and the restoring state or states lodge a declaration of intent with the UNSC under Chapt VII. The Arab states were the last countries to ever lodge a valid declaration of war with the UNSC, May 15th 1948 on their invasion of "Palestine" link to There was no UNSC condemnation of the Arab states declaration or their actions against Jewish/Israeli military forces in non-Israeli territory on May 15th 1948

      A state may not 'acquire' territory by force, ANY force and; it is illegal for states to recognize territory acquired by war!link to

      "Palestine ‘a state’ the UN and those states recognizing Palestine seem to have created a new kind of statehood for Palestine...etc "

      Not at all. Put simply, the State of Palestine is not independent of Israeli occupation.

      Under the Laws of War the occupied are dependent on the occupier for protection and shortfalls in necessities brought about by occupation link to To occupy another's territory is completely voluntary and the Occupying Power is bound by a "sacred trust" link to

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
    • @ Jabberwocky "Destroy the wall, but why destroy the ‘settlements’, just remove the settlers and let the Palestinians use the properties. "

      Destroy the separation barrier indeed. As to the settlements, they're cheap, ghastly, Western money making architectural eyesores, imposed most un=naturally on the landscape like huge overbearing fortresses. Would any Palestinian want to live in an ugly reminder of over 100 years of Zionist colonization?

    • @ walktallhangloose "With the Armistice Agreements, who are the parties? Is the State of Israel one of them"

      Yes. The Armistice Agreements:
      Egypt was a - UN Member/High Contracting Power 24 October 1945

      Lebanon - UN Member/High Contracting Power 24 October 1945


      Israel - UN Member/High Contracting Power 11 May 1949

      Syria - UN Member/High Contracting Power 24 October 1945

      "As to the ICC the case to be brought should be against the Israel Government Ministers authorizing, and the Military Governors implementing, the settlement program. "

      The ICC prosecutes persons link to

      " Of course, Israel will not hand over the suspects, so there will not be a trial, but it would create a lot of political pressure"

      ...and the perpetrators might have to remain in actual Israeli territory link to for fear of arrest by other countries, including Palestine :-)

    • @ walktallhangloose
      " how to include links in these comments?
      Right click - on the link you want to copy
      Copy - Link Location.
      Paste - into the comment, leaving a space before and after the link
      "1. I call the Green Line the de facto border ..etc..."


      "2. The armistices with Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan were signed before Israel became a Member of the United Nations: until then the UN did not use the word ‘Israel’ in formal documents."

      Partially correct. The UN cannot directly censure non members (neither can a football or knitting club). They can only tell members how they should act towards non-members in keeping with the rules of the 'club'

      "It is not surprising that Lebanon should have followed the UN practice, and rather surprising that Egypt and Jordan should say that their agreement was with the State of Israel, if they did."

      They most certainly did. Non-members could/can/did/do negotiate agreements under the stewardship of the UN, wherein the name of the agreement/s carries the names of the parties. The title is sufficient to identify the parties throughout the agreement.

      Importantly, the agreements could/can/did/do refer to previous documents. The Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement refers to UNSC res 62 link to
      It in turn refers to UNSC res 44 link to
      Which in turn refers to UNGA res 181
      under which the Jewish state proclaimed its boundaries link to and was subsequently recognized as requested, as the "State of Israel"

      Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949 link to


      The Parties to the present Agreement,

      Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) link to calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

      Having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations Chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948; and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

      The undersigned representatives, having exchanged their full powers found to be in good and proper form, have agreed upon the following provisions: etc etc

      The Armistices with Egypt, Syria, Jordan are similarly named and have similar references leading back to UNGA res 181.

      Aside from proclaiming its sovereign extent in the May 15th 1948 plea for recognition, the Israeli Government on May 22nd 1948 informed the UNSC that the war was being fought in "territories outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to as Israel had complete control of all of its territories.

      Added to which on the 31st August 1949 Israel officially tried to claim the "territories outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" it had acquired by war since 00:01 15th May 1948 (ME time) link to The claim was rebuffed link to

      Subsequently, there are no UNSC resolutions calling for peace "in Israel"

      "3. ...... the sovereign borders of Israel have not changed since 14 May 1948, except perhaps for minor changes as a result of the peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. "

      There have only been two 'independent sovereign' border changes since Israel's Declaration of the State of Israel took effect at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to

      Both those changes were to the border of Jordan. The West Bank as it is officially called, was legally annexed to Jordan at the request of the Palestinians link to

      Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only at the insistence of the other Arab States (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950). link to It remained under Jordanian sovereignty until the signing of the Israeli/Jordan Peace Treaty, wherein Jordan relinquished its sovereignty over the West Bank to the PLO and Jordan's border with Israel AND Palestine officially reverted to its 1946 status.

      When Israel took military control of the West Bank in 1967, it was a part of Jordan, a UN Member State and a High Contracting Power. GC IV applies as the UNSC has stated, many many times link to

      The sovereign borders of the Arab States & Israel haven't legally changed since their respective independence. Only the Cease Fire and Armistice Demarcation Lines have changed.

      " 7. .... I believe there is a possibility of a solution when sufficient pressure is put on Israel, and when Abbas stops talking tough but acting feeble, or is replaced with someone better."

      As would any Palestinian leader Abbas must tread extremely carefully. Get it wrong in the ICC or UN and it doesn't take a few days or weeks or months or even years to sort out. It takes decades and the Zionist Federation have had more than a hundred years honing the skill of 'keeping the ball in the air'.

      Meanwhile, they will keep on making more and more illegal 'facts on the ground', purposefully creating a situation that makes reversal as difficult and as complex as they possibly can. There is only one Zionist goal, to have control of 'the' ultimate 'relic'.

    • @ walktallhangloose

      "the 1949 armistice line, or Green Line, which is the de facto border of Israel "

      Israel has never legally annexed, nor has any country ever recognized as Israeli, any of the territory it has acquired by war between proclaiming its boundaries in its plea for recognition link to and the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.

      The Armistice Agreement between Israel and Lebanon states the Armistice Demarcation Line as being between Lebanon and "Palestine" BTW link to

      (except with Jordan and Egypt where there are defined borders as a result of the peace treaties with those countries)

      Not so. The Egyptian border was defined when Egypt gained statehood and confirmed when it gained independence., BEFORE Israel was proclaimed. Israel was required to withdraw from all territories sovereign to Egypt BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed. Egypt was agreed to withdraw from non-Israeli territory, leaving it under Israeli occupation. MORE @ link to

      The Jordanian border reverted to its 1946 status, with Jordan relinquishing sovereignty over the West Bank (under Israeli occupation) to the PLO. In 1967 Jordan was a UN Member state and a High Contracting Power, therefore GC IV does apply to the West Bank . All other areas acquired by Israel by war by 1949 were.are covered by the Laws of War link to & UN Chapt XI link to under which Israel has a sacred trust as administrator and usufructuary.

      " Israel asked for the Green Line to become its border in 1949, but there was no agreement."
      Reference link to & rebuttal @ link to

      " Palestine has said that it will now accept the Green Line as a basis for discussion of the West Bank border"

      Reference link to ( incredibly generous )

      " What Palestine is waiting for is for Israel to make the first move in this negotiation."

      Any PM who even looks like seriously making peace and thereby ending the Greater Israel project link to , will get the same treatment as Rabin.

  • How 'Open Hillel' created a new community by challenging the Jewish establishment
  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • LOL "“We have a population where there is natural growth,”

      It's 'natural' for foreigners to illegally settle in other folks territory? No state on the state on the planet allows foreigners such a 'natural' right, why should Israelis be allowed what is naturally, normally considered illegal?

      "“Why is it out of the question that in a future Palestinian state, that Jews should not be able to live there side-by-side with their Palestinian neighbours?”

      Maybe because the Jews he refers to are ISRAELIS in non-Israeli territory.

      Daniel Taub is full of ziopoop , like our friends mayhem/hophmi et al

    • @ pabelmont ... unlury figners 4 dicslexyc redears

    • @ Mayhem
      " Members of the UK government, which backs a two-state solution, completely abstained from the vote"

      Abstaining has no effect on the vote. Members of the UK Government who voted obviously also believe in a two state solution.

      BTW, Palestine has already been recognized by the majority of the International Comity of Nations and the UN. There are already two states. One is under occupation. The other is "Israel, the Occupying Power" (UNSC res 476)

      "2. The vote is non-binding and it was initiated by a backbencher from the opposition Labour party."

      Irrelevant who it was initiated by, the majority of voting members voted 'for'

      "3. The UK House of Commons has 650 MPs of which only 286 actually voted in this debate, 364 did not."

      Democracy works on the principle of those who vote, not those who abstain

      "4. A number of high-profile figures were reportedly uncomfortable with the motion and did not show up. "

      So, they didn't vote. Democracy operates on those who DO vote. It could also be that they didn't want to face Zionists screeching Antisemite if they did the decent thing and voted FOR recognition

      "Neither PM David Cameron nor Labour leader Ed Miliband was in the Commons chamber for the start of the debate."

      So what?

      "5. By ignoring this debate and abstaining, rather than voting against it en masse, the UK government effectively handed a symbolic, tokenistic victory to the opposition, and a victory for Palestinian beligerence and terrorism by upping the anti rather striving for a negotiated, secure settlement with Israel."

      Hasbara nonsense.
      A) States are bound by the duties of states per the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, which do not allow for belligerence (see hundreds of UNSC resolutions against Israel) and terrorism. IOW the vote pressures Palestine to adhere to the obligations of statehood

      B) What difference does it make if two states are negotiating?

      C) Negotiations mean only one thing. Palestine relinquishing some of their legal rights and a big chunk of their legal territory, so that Israel can circumvent the law under which it is required to withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territory, take all its Israeli citizens, dismantle its purposeful illegal 'facts on the ground' and pay for 66 years of belligerence. NONE of which Israel has ever been able to afford.

      You're yelling at the wrong people . Go spew your heart out to the Zionist Federation who by demanding a separate state destroyed the opportunity of being able to live anywhere in the Jewish People's historic homeland for Israeli Jews, especially in Palestine. A right all Jews had under Art 7 Lon Mandate for Palestine.

    • @ pabelmont
      "Israel has boundaries only by treaties with Egypt and Jordan"

      Nonsense. The boundaries of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria were set by 1946 and Israel's boundaries were recognized based on the Israeli Government plea for recognition in which Israel was " proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947," link to

      None of the International Comity of Nations has ever recognized any further territory as Israeli. The boundaries of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Israel have not changed. The 19949 armistice agreements specifically did not change any borders.

      Read the Israeli/Lebanese Armistice agreement

      Article V

      1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

      No borders have ever been altered by any ceasefire, armistice agreement or peace treaty.

      What was not proclaimed as Israeli on May 15th 1948 and was not a part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt on May 15th 1948, is Palestinian (Arab territory)

  • Israel and the g-word
  • Following shocking sermon, Atlanta JVP calls on area rabbis to challenge racism in Jewish community
    • "The JD Forward reports Lewis was speaking to nearly 2,000 congregants and he received a standing ovation and lengthy applause." = Zionism's well honed and practiced racist, bigoted indoctrination works

  • The Titanic of the occupation -- SodaStream (Update)
    • @ DaBakr "When people start boycotting their iPhones, Intell, HP, and the assorted life saving medical devices and drugs developed in Israel"

      Boycott stuff that ISN'T iIlegally made in the Occupied Territories exploiting non-Israeli resources, labour?

      WOW!!! OK, if you say so .... Sheeeeeesh what a &*&^%^% idiot

    • hophmi ??

      you there?

      folk asked you a reasonable question ....

    • DoubleStandard "The only illusion is that Israel is ever going to lose"

      Soda Stream is Israeli. Soda Stream is already losing buddy.

      " You’ll never find more than anti semitic professors of fake subjects like anthropology willing to play the game of denying jews their right to self determination"

      Conflating Jews with Israelis is cute, transparent and Ziotroll 101. Israelis have NO right to self determination in non-Israeli territories.

    • @ DoubleStandard

      Whatever you need to feed your illusions pal.

  • Where is the antiwar movement?
    • Western style Shock and Awe bombing of people in their own countries far away from the US, UK, Aust: VERY expensive. Pin point accurate weapons explode indiscriminately - disemboweling, beheading, removing single or multiple limbs, stripping skin, cutting veins arteries, burning, disfiguring for life. Slaughtering whole wedding parties. Destroying dwellings, apartments, city blocks, entire villages, infrastructure, sewerage treatment plants, water treatment plants.

      Clean up after: billions of dollars

      Beheading foreigners: VERY cheap. Knife blade accurate. No collateral.

      Clean up after: a bucket or two of water

  • Israeli rightists wave ISIS-style flags in protest of African asylum-seekers
  • Netanyahu's 'poison' -- latest settlement will distance Israel's closest allies, State Dep't warns
    • Netanyahu and co are not being asked the right questions...

      "These are not settlements. These are neighborhoods of Jerusalem."

      When has ANY territory that was not previously proclaimed by the State of Israel in its plea for recognition and subsequently recognized by the International Comity of Nations as asked, ever been legally annexed by agreement and legally recognized as being the territory of the State of Israel?

      "Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish people for thousands of years"

      But when was it legally annexed by agreement and Internationally recognized as part of Israel?

      "And I think in any conceivable peace plan including those that were discussed with the Palestinians even the Palestinians understood that… Jewish neighborhooods would remain in Jerusalem"

      By saying "would remain in Jerusalem" do you mean under an agreement that has not yet been reached and, if an agreement has not yet been reached how can you be in your right mind to think Israeli citizens can illegally settle in territory that is not yet Israeli?

      "They’re not in East Jerusalem, they’re in South Jerusalem actually, and they include 700 units for Arab residents of Jerusalem. That’s a little fact that hasn’t gotten any press"

      If they're not yet in territory legally annexed to and Internationally recognized as Israeli under a legal agreement, how can it be within the legal jurisdiction of Israel to make those decisions?

      " Nearly half of Jerusalem’s population live in neighborhoods that abut the ’67 borders. And nobody in his right mind thinks they’re going to be uprooted… [Palestinian swaps idea entails the understanding that] these neighborhoods are going to stay"

      As these swaps have yet to take place under a legal agreement and are not yet legally annexed to and recognized by the International Comity of Nations as Israeli, how can you be in your "right mind" to think you can illegally settle in territory that is not yet your own?

  • 'Ethnic cleansing for a better world' -- Richard Cohen says Palestinians brought the Nakba on themselves
    • @ MHughes976 "I would question the idea that there was a duty, by way of accepting the rule of law or constitutional government, to accept the UN partition plan"

      Indeed, however, the Jewish Agency accepted it and considered it binding, regardless of whether the other party agreed... link to

      Friday, 5 March 1948 Rabbi Silver stated to the UNSC

      “Nevertheless, reluctantly but loyally, we accepted the decision which appeared fair and reasonable to the United Nations”

      “We feel under the obligation to make our position unmistakably clear. As far as the Jewish people are concerned, they have accepted the decision of the United Nations. We regard it as binding, and we are resolved to move forward in the spirit of that decision. “ link to


      Friday, 19 March 1948 Rabbi Silver replacing Mr. Shertok at the Council table as representative of the Jewish Agency for Palestine stated

      “We are under the obligation at this time to repeat what we stated at a [262nd meeting] meeting of the Security Council last week: The decision of the General Assembly remains valid for the Jewish people. We have accepted it and we are prepared to abide by it. If the United Nations Palestine Commission is unable to carry out the mandates which were assigned to it by the General Assembly, the Jewish people of Palestine will move forward in the spirit of that resolution and will do everything which is dictated by considerations of national survival and by considerations of justice and historic rights.”

      “The setting up of one State was not made conditional upon the setting up of the other State.” link to


      Security Council S/PV.271 19 March 1948 The representative of the Jewish Agency, Rabbi Silver:

      The statement that the plan proposed by the General Assembly is an integral plan which cannot succeed unless each of its parts can be carried out, is incorrect. This conception was never part of the plan. Indeed, it is contrary to the statement made by the representative of the United States during the second session of the General Assembly. The setting up of one State was not made conditional upon the setting up of the other State. Mr. Herschel Johnson, representing the United States delegation, speaking in a sub-committee of the Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question on 28 October 1947, stated, in discussing this very matter in connexion with economic union: “The element of mutuality would not necessarily be a factor, as the document might be signed by one party only.” link to

      It's also enshrined in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel and in the Israeli Government plea for recognition, by which the State of Israel was recognized.

      the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 link to

      Referenced in the Israeli Government statement to the UNSC May 22nd 1948

      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?

      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel" link to

      " If the UN was not the sovereign it had no right to demand or impose partition and if the plan was merely a suggestion, not a demand, no one had a duty to obey it."

      Indeed, however, the reason there are so many UN/UNSC resolutions against Israel is because the Jewish Agency DID accept it and declared according to it and was recognized as the Israeli Govt requested, by the borders it described. Israel then ignored its legal obligations as a state and UN Member.

      " If the UN was the sovereign it had the normal and basic duty of sovereigns to make arrangements for the whole territory in the interests of all concerned: and these interests are not normally identified by a decision that clearly overrides the will of the majority. If the UN used its constitutional powers so as massively to favour a minority, it abused its powers grievously and once again we find no duty to accept"

      Quite so, however, the Jewish Agency DID accept UNGA res 181 and declared according to the boundaries and was recognized accordingly! No further territories have ever been legally annexed to or recognized as Israeli.

      "If Cohen thinks ... etc etc.."

      Thinking is not a strong Zionist point. It seems to be a prerequisite NOT to think

  • Netanyahu at the United Nations: Hamas, Iran, ISIS and 100 cheering Israelis
  • Netanyahu heads to New York to ‘refute all the lies’ and praise ‘the most moral army in the world’
    • "the full scope of Palestinian leader Amin al-Husaini’s support of Hitler’s ...."

      Nonsense. Al Husseini was removed from office 1937. By the time he met Hitler, he wasn't the leader of the Palestinians.

      Furthermore, it's irrelevant to today's Palestinians who were if they were alive in Al Husseini's day, would have only been babies at the time, never voted for him, didn't fight any war in 1948. ( Logic and simple maths aren't strong points in pro-Israeli propaganda for really stupid people! )

      Al Husseini was not and is not responsible for Israel's continued illegal actions in territories THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT claimed on 22nd May 1948 were "outside the state of Israel" link to

  • A catalog of impunity
    • @ ivri "In the West-Bank the stones are thrown by teenagers (which are, conveniently, are referred to as children) but stones, or Molotov cocktail, thrown at your car by a gang of 17 years old “children” can be pretty life threatening to the driver and his children(!) in the car."

      A) Israeli law stipulates Israeli Jews are still children until they're 18yrs. Israeli military law says Palestinians become adults at 16 yrs.

      B) Stupid Israelis shouldn't be in the West Bank, especially with their children. It isn't in Israel. What sort of IDIOTS take their children into occupied territories mmmm? What sort of a mindless idiotic government encourages its civilians to illegal settle in territories that do not belong to the state?

      C) You're whinging to the wrong people you bloody fool. Go complain to the Zionist Federation, they're the one's who screwed up the right of Jews to be able to immigrate to and live anywhere in Palestine (Art 7 LoN Mandate for Palestine). By demanding and proclaiming separate Jewish state Jewish Israelis are now prohibited from illegally settling in part of the Jewish People's historical homeland, that are NOT in Israel.

    • @ Ivri does a great job pointing out the incredible disproportion

      "The usual problem: the list is One Sided. Thus, in the same period there were MANY incidents of stones throwing on cars and trains and worse "

      by illegal Israeli settlers too buddy ....

      "(up to opening fire on Jewish neighborhoods in the Jerusalem area"

      Sources please... BTW Any armed Israeli in Jerusalem is a valid target. Jerusalem is Arab territory, not Israeli.

      1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem; link to

  • Abbas calls on UN Security Council to end the occupation
    • @ Gene Shae"A lot of words for an old guy. What can’t he just say 2 sates for 2 people? Then he would have Israel on board"

      Bullsh*t your specialty is it? Abbas offered, in front of the world in 2011 and 2012 at the UN, to accept only 22% of the Palestinians rightful territories for peace with Israel. Israel answered by building even more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory, continuing the illegal occupation and slaughtering more and more Palestinian civilians.

    • @ Gene Shae " the Israelis have laid out their terms. 2 States for 2 Peoples. Why is that so damn difficult?"

      Nope. Quite simple actually ... except for the fact that Israel keeps illegally claiming , illegally annexing, illegally settling and illegally building in the territory of the other state, Palestine.

      But you know this. So, why are you acting stupid and asking stupid questions?

  • Netanyahu erases the boundary between world Jewry and Israel in celebration of 'our country'
    • Netanyahu's meaningless drivel is completely irrelevant to the legal status of Israeli sovereignty and the illegality of that state's actions in territories that 66 years ago the Israeli government claimed were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine", one of many Israeli Government statements on which the UNSC has based hundreds of resolutions affording Israel the opportunity to adhere to the binding laws, conventions and UN Charter chapters those resolutions re-affirm and emphasize.

  • West Bank settlers exporting dates labelled as 'Made in Palestine'
    • Say .... is that the Palestine settlers claim doesn't exist?

      PS When will someone fix the colour of highlighted text for copy/cut/edit? It's a practical function, yet barely distinguishable!! Changing one number is all that is required.

      It will not interfere with the readability of the copious and un-informative white space

  • What Max Blumenthal saw in Gaza
    • I thought Hasbaristas were below par .... there goes one method of smuggling scotch and taking shampoo into Gaza.

      You have to be crazy to tell anyone what or how you do anything in an article.

  • US guilty of war crimes in Palestine
    • @ just Pssssssssst .... is a Hasbarista, proof isn't in their brief

    • @ Palikari shows that an idiot for Israel will say absolutely anything, no matter how nonsensical, untrue, transparent or un-believable

      "The current US administration doesn’t support Israel at all"

      So Israel DIDN'T receive any military aid under the Obama administration. WOW!!! That's ^&(*ng AMAZING!!! I wonder if Israel or the US know?

  • Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians
    • @ Gene Shae "The Palistinians can have their state .."

      They already have their state you stupid person. It has been recognized by the vast majority of the Comity of Nations and given observer status by the UN based on that recognition.

      What they don't have is independence from an oppressive Occupying Power, Israel, a rogue state that illegally claims non-Israeli territory it occupies.

      "... when they are willing to agree that israel shall have secure borders"

      Israel had secure borders May 15th 1948, proclaimed and protected by the Israeli state. No Israeli territory has ever been taken by any one. Israeli demands for other folks territory for Israel's defensive purposes, has no legal basis what so ever.

      Israel has no one to blame but itself . It's idiotic lust and illegal acquisition of other folks territory is A) against the basic tenets of Judaism, B) against International Law.

      That Israel decided to ignore its own self proclaimed borders and maintain military forces in non-Israeli territory for 66 years is a legal 'facts on the ground' black hole Israel purposefully created and which it cannot now possibly afford to get out of without a negotiated settlement and enormously generous concessions by the Palestinians.

      "and they agree to not insist on messing with the current social fabric of Israel<"

      Like all idiots for a Greater Israel you'll say anything no matter how stupid .... The Palestinians have never illegally acquired, illegally annexed, illegally settled, illegally instituted Palestinian civil law in any Israeli territory.

      It is the Jewish state who for the last 66 years has been occupying Palestinian territory, illegally annexing, illegally instituting Israeli civil law in non-Israeli territory, illegally settling in territory the Israeli Govt claimed was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

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    • @ Gene Shae "the first rule of MW is that anything that can be twisted against Israel will be"

      No need to twist anything. Israel does a fine job all on its own (the need for and ignoring UNSC res 252 and EIGHT reminders of UNSC res 252 are fine examples)

      " The same thing is legal in America"

      Of towns? You can find an example, yes? Thx .. I'll wait ......

      "As you fail to mention, the ruling allows discriminate against a lot of different groups; gays, straights, religious, secular, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, not just Arabs. That’s not apartheid "

      Correct, it's blatant bigotry .... thx for pointing that out Gene .... keep up th' good work!

    • @ DoubleStandard "(1) Other countries do have laws privileging one group over another."

      Know where this is from? "it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; "

      " Since many Israeli Jews are in fact Arabs, it’s religious discrimination, not racial"

      Know where this is from? "it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture"

      "(2) Israel is still treating them better than they would treat Jews"

      25,000 Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran rather than move to Israel. Approximately 50% of our fellows have not bothered moving to Israel ... the reason?

      "(3) Is it so unreasonable for communities to want to remain religiously homogeneous and not admit citizens who are likely hostile toward the state?"

      They are already citizens of the state, it's their state too

      "Israel is the state of the Jewish people, and is the only place invent world Jews are among their own kin"

      Nonsense. There are numerous Jewish communities where we are amongst our fellows

      "I don’t think Israeli Arabs want Jews moving to their towns."

      Little wonder. Past experience shows Israeli Jews taking over, pushing non-Jews out supported by amongst other things the courts. You have read the article? Yes?

      " I’m currently in a “Jewish” part of Israel and there are plenty of Arabs walking around."

      "walking around" tells us nothing

      The neighborhood is honestly a mosaic of Jewish and Arab houses. Nothing that screams apartheid."

      This law changes that. Your refusal to acknowledge it enables it

  • 'TimesWarp' tries to keep the 'Times' honest
    • @ DaBakr "wow. impressive. pointing out an anti-NYT site that promotes Hamas .."

      Quote this alleged promotion of Hamas ... thx ... I wouldn't want to brand you as another liar for Israel without your having the opportunity to substantiate the accusation.

      "without mentioning that there are just as many devoted sites to parsing out the perceived anti-Israeli bias from the same NYT on well established sites such as Camera and others"

      Camera / Memri / PMW are quite transparent propaganda sites

      "The only point being that in the i/p conflict there is almost never any consensus "

      Odd. Hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving Israel the opportunity to adhere to binding International Law, UN Charter and relative Geneva Conventions re-affirmed and emphasized in those resolutions, were adopted unanimously.

  • 'This is our land!': West Bank village Wadi Fukin fights largest Israeli land grab in decades
    • @ ivri "Indeed, signs are that the Israel-Palestine conflict is moving to yet another phase .. " ... of the same territorial theft by the rogue state of Israel. Nothing has changed in over 66 years

      " Israelis don`t visit anymore Arab neighborhoods. Until now Israel tried to avoid escalation by ... " ... taking more land illegally and continuing to ignore International Law, the UN Charter and relative conventions

      You're fooling yourself pal. Israel has never made any attempts to resolve the issue

    • @ DoubleStandard "The land is mostly empty"

      Like mostly not pregnant. I understand your need. Can't imagine what it's like 4u2 have a crap

      "it’s just being municipally incorporated into an already existing settlement bloc.."

      to be precise, an illegal settlement block in territory that is not yet Israeli

      " that will remind part of Israel if an agreement ever materializes"

      " if an agreement ever materializes" So, it is not yet Israeli .... glad we got that sorted out .. do they dock your wages at Hasbara central for screwing up

      " The very fact that Israel even allows Palestinians to petition its court system is a credit to it"

      Uh huh. Why should Palestinians have to even address a court system that has absolutely no legal jurisdiction in non-Israeli territory over a matter of land that is not yet Israeli?

  • Malta sinking killed hundreds fleeing Gaza
    • @ Gene Shae "What does a group of human traffickers sinking a ship have to do with Zionists?"

      They were fleeing the onslaught of the Zionist Movement's state.

      "Even if there were no Gazans on the ship, this would have happened anyway"

      Speculation can be fun, you can say absolutely anything. The fact is there WERE people from Gaza, who WERE fleeing the onslaught of the Zionist Movement's state

    • @ ivri "The truth is that they don`t need to leave at all – just change orientation and leadership"

      Terrorism is by definition violence against civilians in order to have them change their chosen leadership.

  • Rabbi in Ohio U. controversy leads group that denies there's an occupation
    • @ hophmi & co rail about alleged representations when it's Israel who has ACTUALLY illegally acquired by war more than half of what remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine. link to

      Israel continues to illegally acquire and illegally settle in non-Israeli territory today and Israel has always had the desire to take all of 1948 Palestine as its own link to

      Whereas no one has demanded any Israeli territory. no one has actually taken any Israeli territory, nor has there been a war over or in Israeli territory.

    • @ DaBakr "Yet, this exact map (minus the sliver, if that is what it is, of the Golan) is the map portrayed by ALL Palestinian nationalist groups on their flags and production maps"

      Show me ..

      "Its the same map used by anti-Zionist organizations like JVP as well as by many in the BDS movement"

      Show me ..

      " the Arab block of nations has been using the non-existence of Israel on its maps since ’48 "

      Show me ..

      "as a way to show they have never accepted the existence of the Israeli Nation"

      A) Is that the Israeli nation with only 20% remaining uncleansed of its almost 50% 1948 non-Jewish population?

      B) There's no legal requirement for anyone to recognize Israel or any other state. Numerous state in the UN do not recognize each other. States are only required to have " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

      Unlike Israel who has disrespected the sovereign integrity of its neighbours, there are no UNSC resolutions against any Arab state for having violated the sovereign integrity of the State of Israel

  • Achieving a hudna and ten years of calm in Israel/Palestine
    • @ DaBakr "I would answer that your propensity for delusional reasoning is as amazing."

      Of course you would. You must, to remain in denial, you must continue to deny

      " In your view Israel is not the nation that is growing stronger economically, militarily and politically as well as more independent and free to maneuver outside of its bubble of US loan guarantees"

      If YOU say so buster, I haven't

      " Your view is that somehow-the small smattering of left-wing europeans along with a few other anti-Zionist entities will somehow magically weaken Israel to the point where it is brought to its knees.

      If YOU say so buster, I haven't

      "And your stupid comment about ‘not knowing the difference between occupation and civil war means what?"

      Obviously you don't know

      "That you only care about Arab deaths when an occupation is part of the conflict while Arab civil war deaths-including I would imagine-those deaths between Hamas and Fatah are not anybodies concern but the parties involved. Got it"

      If YOU say so pal, I haven't. Glad you 'got' your own bullsh*t! You seem to have an appetite for it!

    • @ Mayhem digs a deeper hole

      "Read link to"

      Why? Is their bullsh*t fresher?

      Has Israel stopped illegal settlements AS REQUIRED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW? No!
      Has Israel withdrawn from all Arab territories AS REQUIRED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW? No!
      Has Israel ended the occupation of Arab territories AS REQUIRED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW? No!

      So expect armed resistance to "Israel, the Occupying Power". It's a right of the occupied.

      Of course Israel never replenishes its strength during the quiet periods, then returns with increased deadliness, while continuing to covet and steal other folks property, breaking the basic tenets of Judaism .... right?

      BTW the IDF Memorial site shows far more Israeli military have been targeted, injured and killed than Israeli civilians. Your overuse of and dependence on the word terror is pathetic

    • @ DaBakr "so-back to the chicken and egg argument .."

      Uh? Jews were allowed citizenship anywhere in the Jewish People's historical homeland under the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7.

      The Zionist Federation and Jewish Agency screwed it up by demanding a separate state.

      That state has screwed it up even further by never withdrawing from non-Israeli Palestinian territory and not adhering to its obligations to International Law, the UN Charter and relevant conventions

      You're helping to screw it up even further by spreading propaganda, ignorance and denialism for idiots 101

    • @ DaBakr " apparently-“wanton massacres” and “genocide” only applies when its Israelis fighting Palestinian militants but not when Arabs are killing each other in vastly greater numbers and with absolutely no policy to avoid civilian casualties"

      You still don't know the difference between civil war and a war of occupation waged by the Occupying Power over its neighbour? Wow, how long did it take you to learn to breath in AND out?

      <em" A hudnah is no different then a lull in hostilities. there is nothing to enforce but the word of the ruling power"

      As Israel can't keep a Cease Fire or an Armistice Agreement and refuses to accept more than half of Palestine's rightful territory for peace as offered by Abbas at the UN in 2011 and again in 2012, a Hunda seems quite generous

      "But so would an interim peace deal with incremental stages that would be rewarded for compliance and haled for non-compliance"

      Problem, Israel has thus far, in 66years, refused to comply with ANYTHING, especially it obligations to International Law.

      "Of course that doesn’t sit well in the craw of those that think Israel is nothing but a racist and arrogant nation. But what do they care if the Palestinians have to wait another 50yrs for a peace deal-its all about crushing the ‘Zionist Usurping Entity’, isn’t it?"

      Your propensity for drivel is amazing ... it's Israel in breach of the law, not Palestine. It's Israel who can't afford to adhere to the law under which it is required to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories. It's Israel who must eventually negotiate a settlement and depend on Palestinian generosity in order to circumvent the law under which the Jewish state would be sent bankrupt because of the idiotic illegal 'facts on the ground' hole it has PURPOSEFULLY dug for itself.

    • @ DaBakr "it can be seen from the coast, nincompooph"

      A) You can see it's up and running from the coast... AMAZING!! and B) what're you doing on Gaza's coast, in Palestinian territorial waters?

    • @ DaBakr " “quiet will be met with quiet”. thats been the long running policy. when that occurs for a period of time then there can be talk of how to open to port and air space"

      End the occupation, stop illegally acquiring Palestinian territory, withdraw from all non-Israeli territory. Read the Egypt / Israel Peace Treaty. Israel was required and agreed to withdraw from all territory sovereign to Egypt BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed. Get out of other folks territory for peace. Quite logical and very simple.

      "otherwise the so-called hudnah is clearly a move for Hamas to have enough breathing room to re-stockpile more and technologically precise weaponry from Iran to use ... "


      A) The Palestinians have a legal right to re-stockpile weapons to fight an Occupying Power, even if it is the Jewish state which will be doing the same assisted by billions of nice US dollars in military aid.

      B) Why haven't they been using all this fabulous Iranian technologically precise weaponry? Home made rockets and mortars are far from technologically precise weaponry!

      "... in its next eventual and welcomed battle with it Zionist foe"

      Your choice of words is typical of stupid transparent zionist propagandists. Israel chooses occupation and subsequently is responsible for armed resistance to occupation. The ball to end occupation has been in Israel's court for 66 years. Israel has chosen not to end the conflict, but to continue to illegally acquire non-Israeli territory.

      The Palestinians have offered to accept only 22% of their rightful territory FOR PEACE with Israel. Israel didn't "welcome" the offer for peace. Israel responded by building more illegal settlements. The Palestinians have a RIGHT to violently oppose "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      "It isn’t brain surgery to read translations of Hamas policy, goals and speeches."

      It isn't brain surgery to see you haven't actually quoted any corroborated translations of Hamas policy, goals and speeches.

      "There is no indication-and polls prove it-that Hamas would be any less inclined to have the whole strip laid to waste if they though they could weaken Israel and claim another pyrrhic victory"

      Which polls?

      "Today I noticed the power plant in Gaza-that was claimed as “completely destroyed by cowardly Zionist” and that it would take “billions and more then a year to get it up and running again” while Palestinians suffered from electricity depravation-was up and running today."

      Where did you notice..??

      All we have is your wailgob ......

  • Encounter at a post office
    • @ Gene Shae "I actually just read the second part of your rant/fiction"

      Save your false assertions. I don't do fiction.

      "Did you actually say that the word Palestine predates the Kingdom of David?"

      No. What I said is still there for all to read. I'll leave the falsifications to you pal!

    • @ Gene Shae Why so supporters of Palestine find the most ineffective ways to get things done? "

      Other than by contacting the authorities, how would you suggest the fact that the UN majority have recognized Palestine as a state be bought to the attention of the authorities so that the correct address be used?

      "Annoying people at post offices, sending mail with wrong addresses "

      Sorry to burst your ziobubble buddy, addressing mail to Palestine when someone lives in Palestine, is using the CORRECT address.

      Palestine has existed far longer than Israel or the Kingdom of David. The longer part of Jewish history in the region has been as Palestinian Jews, not Israeli Jews, Zionists or grubby thieving racist bigots

      Keep saying whatever you need to keep your bile flowing tho, it clearly shows folk the ghastly type of people attracted to the illegal Greater Israel project

    • Got a phone call from Australia Post today in reply to my inquiry as to why Palestine was not in their list of countries in the world.

      The person attempting to explain was completely ignorant on the matter, at first attempting to inform me that Palestine was in and a state of Israel, like NSW is a state of Australia.

      We resolved nothing, except perhaps that they should first be educated in matters they're trying to resolve for customers.

      I shall now take it to a higher level

      Complaints can be made thru the Australia Post form: link to or via the Postal Industry Ombudsman, GPO Box 442, Canberra ACT 2601.

    • Lots of links here ... link to pre and post Israeli Declaration

      Ultimately confirmed in Israel's May 15th 1948 plea for recognition to and informing the Comity of Nations that " the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law".

  • 'Stop$30Billion' coalition unveils new digital billboard in Albuquerque, NM
    • @ Mooser

      For 66 years of dispossession, territorial theft, land theft, property theft, collective punishment, trauma, etc etc etc the list is long .... you're joking. Israel was seeking loans on day one, it couldn't afford to adhere to the law or pay reparations in 1948, no way it can be afforded now.

      The only legal way out of the illegal 'facts on the ground' sh*t hole Israel has purposefully dug for itself, is for there to be a negotiated settlement with Palestine ceding territory and rights in order that the law be circumvented.

      The Palestinians ask only for their rights under the law and they are under no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their rights, even in negotiations.

      Israel's demands for land swaps, territory for defense, Palestinian dis-armament and recognition as the Jewish state, have absolutely no legal basis what so ever.

  • Dutch activists disrupt Israeli apartheid whitewashing event in Amsterdam
  • Yale Jewish center to hold 'intellectual' panel on storm over ousted priest's comments-- without inviting the priest
    • @ DaBakr "of course. so the ‘new’ Jew-hating is naturally more justified then the ‘old’ Jew-hating. got it."

      If you say so pal, no one else is.

  • Photo-cartoon making Tutu into Hitler is published then taken down by South African Jewish paper
    • edit

      Many STILL illegally acquiring territory by war, illegally annexing territory, practicing collective punishment, dispossessing the legitimate citizens and if they are, does that make Israel’s crimes any less Naziesque?

    • @ DaBakr " going by your loose standards almost any nation gone to war can be compared in some ways to nazis "

      Many illegally acquiring territory by war, illegally annexing territory? Practicing collective punishment, dispossessing the legitimate citizens and if they are does that make Israel's crimes any less Naziesque?

    • @ DaBakr " people should stop making Nazi comparisons, period. They are all mostly wrong and mostly idiotic "

      Uh? Any state in breach of International Law UN Charter and conventions some of which were adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis, deserves to be labelled accordingly, even if it is the Jewish state illegally acquiring territory by war, illegally annexing territory, collectively punishing innocent civilians

  • Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants
    • @ Mayhem ".. Israel deals with existential threats"

      Uh huh. Like the Palestinians being willing to forgo 78% of their rightful territory for peace with Israel.

      An amazingly generous offer so existentially threatening, that Israel ignored it in preference for illegally acquiring more and more non-Israeli territory, building more illegal settlements, endangered more of its citizens by assisting them to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories under Israeli occupation in breach BTW of a Geneva Convention adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of an "Occupying Power" from the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory.

      What kind of a stupid, mindnumbingly idiotic govt does that to its own people? Furthermore what kind of a stupid mindnumbingly idiotic person supports such a stupid mindnumbingly idiotic idea?

      " .... Israel resorts to rough tactics to fight an enemy, that enemy practises truly brutal methods with gays by persecuting them relentlessly"

      Ah, so Israel is killing innocent civilians to protect gays in Gaza, building a separation barrier on non-Israeli territory to protect gays in the West Bank ... amazing. No gays ever killed as collateral by Israel's hi tech US funded weaponry Mayhem? Israel has special pinpoint accurate gay averting munitions, right? And of course Israel doesn't blackmail Palestinian gays ... right?

      "And so we see it, the obsessed delegitimizers like MW..."

      Drawing attention to Israel delegitimizing itself is not delegitimization by MW. When someone in the family says the car has a flat tyre endangering the family, they don't cause the flat tyre you stupid stupid person.

      Go whine to the Zionist Federation who're responsible for this mess. It was after all their stupid idea to bank on having have a separate Jewish state, forgoing the right as Israeli Jews to live anywhere in the Jewish People's Historic homeland, a right our Jewish fellows had under Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine

    • Israel purposefully chose to occupy the Palestinians and their territory. Israel is a UN Member State. UN Member states are obliged to the UN Charter in its entirety, no exceptions

      UN Charter Chapt XI Article 73

      Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:

      to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;
      to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement;
      to further international peace and security;
      to promote constructive measures of development, to encourage research, and to co-operate with one another and, when and where appropriate, with specialized international bodies with a view to the practical achievement of the social, economic, and scientific purposes set forth in this Article; and
      to transmit regularly to the Secretary-General for information purposes, subject to such limitation as security and constitutional considerations may require, statistical and other information of a technical nature relating to economic, social, and educational conditions in the territories for which they are respectively responsible other than those territories to which Chapters XII and XIII apply.

      Article 74

      Members of the United Nations also agree that their policy in respect of the territories to which this Chapter applies, no less than in respect of their metropolitan areas, must be based on the general principle of good-neighbourliness, due account being taken of the interests and well-being of the rest of the world, in social, economic, and commercial matters.

      Israel fails on every point

    • @ Mayhem "How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?"

      At a guess you've been shown the reason why before and I realize taking notice of information is not in your brief, so here for readers who're actually interested .... "Israel, the Occupying Power" is obliged to make up shortfalls to essential services and goods according to the Geneva conventions, which DO apply, because the West Bank was sovereign to Jordan in 1967. Jordan was a UN Member state and a High Contracting Power in 1967 as was Egypt who occupied Gaza

      Thanks for the opportunity to show other readers .... any more stupid questions?

  • Reborn from the womb of my destroyed house
    • @ ivri ... I guess you need to keep your bile flowing.

      Losing more than half one's territory for someone else's state is despairing. Then losing, illegally by war, another 50% of the territory that remained is despairing. Now losing even more territory to illegal settlers, illegal annexation, while having one's home completely destroyed for NO REASON WHAT SO EVER, is despairing

      So, why did the so-called Captain Saleh lie to him ivri?

  • Ted Cruz praises Israel and gets booed off stage at D.C. Christian conference
  • Entry Denied
  • The rise of 'If Not Now' and the collapse of the pro-Israel consensus
    • @ P. Nile Schwartz " In 1937, Husseini testified to the Peel Commission..."

      Source ? I'll wait .......

    • @ P. Nile Schwartz "Actually, per the legal founding documents, the whole of historic palestine actually belonged to the Jews "

      Start citing those documents P. Nile, a good belly laugh is quite healthy

      " but in any case the deeds were poured over and legally obtained"

      Deeds to 'real estate' are not the deeds to the 'territory' of states. It fact Israel paid NOTHING for its territory!

    • @ P. Nile Schwartz "When did this ‘occupation’ start?"

      According to the Israeli Govt's official statement to the UNSC of 22nd May 1948, occupation by the State of Israel of territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" ..."under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations" was in effect by 22nd May 1948. You can try to deny it, but it's on the official record!

      "In 1937, Husseini testified to the Peel Commission that the Jews owned their land fair and square"

      They owned 'real estate' in the territory of an entity in which they could attain Palestinian citizenship. See Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine. You can try to deny it, but it's on the official record!

      "Why should palestine be Judenrein?"

      Good question, why did you ask it? The Palestinian policy is for it to be "Israeli" free. You can try to deny it, but it's on the official record!

      It's not uncommon to states that they require citizens to be citizens of the said state rather than illegal aliens illegally settling .

      Your conflating of Jews with Israelis is cute BTW but too typical of moronic propagandists for Israel who think their drivel will never be double checked, especially here. I suggest you either learn some facts, unless it's against your job brief, or take your stupid shtick elsewhere

      Now here's a question for you. Why did you lower case "palestine" while upper casing "Judenrein"? Nothing to do with being a bigoted jerk I hope ...

      "That doesn’t seem very enlightened."

      True. It's quite un-enlightened bullsh*t!

  • Israel's tunnels aim to Judaize Jerusalem and are approved by Supreme Court
    • @ P. Nile Schwartz "what is so bad about Judaizing an area?"

      Nothing if the legitimate local population don't mind.

      However, you and your idiotic fellows must purposefully ignore that there is a huge problem when this Judaizing of an area involves Israeli citizens illegally settling in non-Israeli territory while supported by the Jewish state in complete contravention of International Law, the UN Charter and relevant conventions

      In fact I can't think of ANY state in the world who would agree to the citizens of a foreign state illegally settling in their territory. Not even Israel.

      " I don’t really see anything wrong about growing Judaism"

      Ever tried thinking?

  • Three ways Palestinians can hold Israel accountable for Gaza war crimes
    • @ jon s "Hamas didn’t send “a rocket”, but thousands of potentially lethal rockets and mortars"

      and the tens of thousands of tons of human slaughtering projectiles Israel unleashed on Palestine make anything Hamas had pale into insignificance.

      BTW If Israel adhered to the law and withdrew from all non-Israeli territories, there'd be no valid reason for Hamas firing anything at Israel. As it is, Hamas has a right to attempt to hit Israeli military where ever they are and with anything they can muster up, even home made rockets. So as long as Israel continues to covet and steal other folks territory, expect retaliation. It's a very very simple principal, covered by the basic tenets of Judaism. Ever heard of them?

      "the civilian population in the Israeli South have not been “illegally transported into occupied territory” "

      Bullsh*t. Tell me this buster, on what date, by which agreement and by what recognition were Israel's borders changed from the day they were proclaimed to the world by the Israeli Government itself as " an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947," link to Israel has never legally annexed ANY Territory to it's proclaimed and recognized borders of May 15th 1948 and of course as you well know by now, it has been illegal to acquire territory by war, ANY war, since at least 1933 link to ... you do read the VALID information people provide or is it not allowed under your brief?

      By 1950 thousands of Israeli citizens were living in territories which were according to the Israeli Government on May 22nd 1948 occupied. I.e., "outside the State of Israel" .. "in Palestine" and under the military control of the State of Israel . link to Borders were specifically not re-drawn under the Armistice Agreements nor the Peace Treaties that eventuated between Israel and Egypt or Jordan.

      "What’s hilarious is the notion of investigating alleged war crimes on the part of the one “player” in the entire Middle East that makes the most serious effort to minimize civilian casualties."

      Bullsh*t pal. Israel had all the crossings closed, under the 2005 agreement with Egypt, (only possible to have such an agreement over a third party's territory and population as an Occupying Power), thereby preventing civilians from fleeing a war zone, BEFORE attacking, which is illegal under Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Civilians could not even flee into the sea, because Israel controls all Palestinian territorial waters.

      In many instances Palestinian civilians were given only one minute or less to clear entire apartment blocks. Furthermore after likely civilian collateral is factored in, armaments are purposefully fired knowing full well there will be civilian casualties but in many instances not knowing whether or not the actual military target was even in the building at the time!

      "So you convinced me that it’s ok to attack them"

      So you were spouting wholly holey ignorant crap. Nice of you to admit something for a change even tho it does make you look &*&^&^% stupid.

      For your information, not that you want information, it's OK to attack buildings being used for military purposes. It isn't OK under any circumstances to attack civilians. "any" BTW means any, so don't come back with the usual puke assertion that I somehow approve of Israeli/Jewish civilians being targeted

      "IDF headquarters: is it in the basement of Hadassah Hospital?"

      It's in the middle of a city. Not in the middle of an empty field which is where Israel seems to want Hamas to be based. Now, what evidence do you have, aside from Israeli propaganda, that Hamas headquarters were actually in the basement of a hospital?

      BTW you spouter of wholly holey bullsh*t, under the Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

      Which raises two points you're gonna hate A) Israel cannot attack without there being armed protection of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings and; B) The Palestinians do not have anything capable of protecting themselves from Israeli's high tech human slaughtering armaments and delivery systems.

    • " (every single launch – a crime in itself)"

      jon s has to lie and exaggerate hilarious stuff

      " the criminal use of schools, mosques, hospitals and residential areas as launch sites"

      It might change the status of those sites to military, but it ISN'T illegal. Under your ignorant criteria IDF Headquarters is illegal

      " summary executions of their own people "

      Also not illegal. States are allowed their own determination to execute traitors in times of war.

  • Sign of the times, in a Brooklyn window
    • “Until Israel was established in 1948, the Jewish people did not take any land, and likewise the British government did not allocate them any government land. They paid for everything with good money. ”

      The early settlers bought 'real estate'.
      They didn't buy any territory.
      The 'territory' for the State of Israel cost nothing! (the USA paid for Alaska)

      “And the Arab leaders that were preaching against Jewish settlement in the country, were selling lands to the Jews at the same time.”

      Bullsh*t! A) Read Article 7 LoN Mandate for Palestine, agreed to by the Arabs.

      B) The Arab leaders didn't own all the lands and what was sold was 'real estate'

      C) They were arguing against a Jewish state, with 'territory'.

      D) Fix the f&(k*ng text highlight color for copy/editing FFS it only takes changing ONE f&(k*ng number! Are the people who did the web design asleep?

  • Photo of six shoveling secretaries needs a caption
  • The proportion of Gaza's children who were killed should shock conscience of weapons-suppliers
    • @ ivri "The median age in Gaza is 18, compared to 40 in Europe "

      A) Why would that be and B) Why are you comparing Europe rather than Israel?

      "and 43.5% of the population in Gaza is under 14 "

      Indeed WAY UNDER military age ... go figure

      "This would necessarily get reflected in casualties."

      Precisely ... Thanks for bringing those absolutely damning statistics to our attention

      Keep up th' good work

      (Israel's apologists really are quite stupid!)

  • Rabbi Brant Rosen steps down from Jewish Reconstructionist Synagogue saying his activism on Israel/Palestine has been 'lightning rod for division'
  • Israel seizes 1000 acres from 5 Palestinian villages to build new settlement in response to teens' abduction
    • @ JeffB "Her belief is that the Palestinians need to understand that failure to make peace in a timely fashion results in the eventual land swaps being less generous. "

      "less generous" by who? The Palestinians have offered Israel more and more over the years. Currently willing to accept only 22% of their rightful territory for peace with Israel. A point you must of course ignore.

      Israel has offered NOTHING. No land, no territory, no peace. No thing! Instead Israel illegally annexes, illegally sells non-Israeli land in non-Israeli territory to illegal Israeli settlers and builds more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory for illegal Israeli settlers. Points you and they must of course ignore.

      Israel's so called compromises/offers/generosity, is to swap occupied Palestinian territory with the the Palestinians for occupied Palestinian territory so Israel can keep occupied Palestinian territory. A point you must of course ignore.

      "She’s said before that when her husband managed to push through a settlement freeze the Palestinians took that as a precondition not a concession .."

      It's neither. Nor did they take it as a precondition. It's the LAW!, as reaffirmed and emphasized in UNSC res 476, one of hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving Israel the OPPORTUNITY to comply with the binding laws those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize! A point you must of course ignore.

      The Palestinians have only asked for their LEGAL rights under the Laws and UN Charter Israel obliged itself to uphold! They have never asked for ANYTHING Israeli. A point you must of course ignore.

      "Bloomberg is on record that all of historic Palestine is Israel."

      So what? Historical facts tell us he's spouting red heifer sh*te!

      Israel was proclaimed ONLY "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" and;
      Israel was recognized ONLY as it asked to be recognized "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947". Points you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore in order to keep spouting the sh*te you do

      "Cuomo is on record considering Palestinian terrorism against Israelis to be equivalent to Al Qaeda’s acts against New Yorkers"

      It's a stupid analogy. A) New Yorkers are not occupying Al Qaeda's territory. A point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore and B) Al Qaeda killed 3,000 people in one day. If Palestinians killed Israelis at that rate there'd be no Israelis, another point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore.

      "They aren’t too dumb."<

      So what is it that causes them, like you, to ignore the facts in preference for bullsh*te?

      "They fundamentally disagree with how you view the conflict. Many of them reject the UN’s view on whose territory it is"

      UNSC resolutions are in fact based on how Israel asked to be and WAS recognized, including recognition importantly by the USA May 15th 1948, as Israel asked to be recognized! (ibid) It would be illegal under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933) for the US and/or any other country to recognize any further territories as Israeli unless there is first a legal agreement between Palestine and Israel.

      Thus far there isn't one! A point you and other idiots for Israel must of course ignore.

  • Judaism's hijacking by Zionists drives 70% of secular Jews to marry non-Jews-- Koppman at Huffpo
    • @ hophmi "The notion that Zionism is driving Jews away from Judaism is baseless, and the claim is hypocritical coming from Phil, who has long argued in favor of intermarriage"

      A) Zionism drove me away from practicing Judaism, though I still maintain the basic common sense tenets. By the coveting of other folks property, the lies and false accusations that flow so effortlessly from the Zionist mouth, who in their right mind would want to be associated other than thieves, liars and the criminally inclined? B) Intermarriage doesn't mean dropping Judaism or being Jewish. Biology argues in favor of intermarriage BTW

  • Being Palestinian got me barred from visiting Palestine
    • @ JeffB "I’m surprised you are using the 1907 laws of war"

      Why are you surprised? They're current, further codified under the GCs and Israel obliged itself to adhere to them!

      "At least you are using International Law I don’t reject."

      But you foolishly try

      "... The population of Area-C mostly wants the presence of the IDF. It is a friendly not a hostile army to the inhabitants. The local authorities want the IDF. Ergo no occupation"

      Apart from you spouting un-substantiated drivel, UNSC res 476 one of UNSC res 252's eight reminders " 1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967 , including Jerusalem;"

      ".Jerusalem is not part of Area-C and 476 applies to Jerusalem. That being said the population of Jerusalem also is supportive of the IDF. Which means unlike the status in 1980 Jerusalem is not occupied."

      Uh huh.
      A) By "the population of Jerusalem" do you include illegal Israelis illegally living there?
      B) UNSC res 476 does not apply only to Jerusalem, it "include"s Jerusalem " 1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967 , including Jerusalem;"
      C) UNSC Res 1860 Jan 2009 "The Security Council,
      Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008),
      Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state,"
      The date of that resolution again, Jan 2009

      Keep digging pal. It's hilarious watching just how far Israel's apologists will go. I can't imagine anyone willingly make such fools of themselves without some Pavlovian reward

    • @ JeffB "I’m not sure why you keep pushing UN theories around. "

      Israel agreed to adhere to the UN Charter. Israel hasn't adhered to the UN Charter, there is a war. The UN has said how the war must end, Israel refuses to comply, preferring to break the law and the basic tenets of Judaism on coveting other folks property, while blatantly lying.

      "Yes the UN is a hostile foreign power to Israel"

      Uh huh. Israel is in breach of the UN Charter. If you break your contract with the gas company, are they 'hostile' for issuing you with reminders of your end of the contract? Is the court hostile for sentencing a repeat car thief? You think Israelis are somehow above the law?

      "and under the UN’s definitions Israel is in violation of many of the UN’s commands. That’s not a disputed fact between you and I. I’m not sure why you keep bring it up"

      Because you keep ignoring uncomfortable facts. UNSC resolutions contain how disputes can and should be resolved. Resolve them as required and you have UN support. Ignore them and you get 'hostile' reminders. No other country in history has been give as many opportunities to comply with the UN Charter as has Israel has before action has been taken against them.

      "In real international law though there isn’t a theory of racial entitlement"


      "All people born in Area-C are legitimate inhabitants of Area-C."

      Not if they're citizens of "Israel, the Occupying Power" .

      "And at this point the born inhabitants are 2::1 Israeli."

      Exactly. They're Israeli citizens in non-Israeli territory!

      "Of the remaining 1/3rd many of them support the Israeli government and would rather be part of Israel than Palestine"

      A) They're Israeli citizens B) It's not uncommon for people to prefer to be living on their land, even if ruled under illegal Israeli law . Russian Alaskans opted for US citizenship, other wise as Russians, they'd've been required to move from Alaska to Russia

      "I’m certainly going to grant the the UN fully supports an anti-self determination program ..."

      Why do you need to spout drivel?

      "where people are forever enslaved to government they hate because at some point a border was drawn."

      The border was proclaimed by the Israeli Government May 15th 1948 and recognized as asked by the Israeli Govt as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. Israel has not since legally acquired any territory. It has been illegal to 'acquire' territory by war (Schwebel, Lauterpacht, Herzog) since at least 1933

      " What they are doing right now in Ukraine arguing that Russians .... etc etc ... But that’s not international law that is a bastardization of international law as it existed prior to WWII. "

      A) You're spouting more drivel B) The UN is relatively powerless against Russia because Russia has the veto vote on resolutions against Russia. Likewise the UN is relatively powerless to act against Israel for its breaches of the UN Charter while the US protects Israel via the US UNSC veto vote.

      "Israelis along with many other people reject the UN’s pro-slavery position and God bless them for doing that"

      A) You're spouting nonsense and B) is that the same God who was AWOL during the Holocaust?

    • @ JeffB "I suspect they are going to be given the opportunity for full citizenship during the next generation"

      "given", by a state that does not have sovereignty over the territory? WOW!! Interesting supremacist theory

      "Currently they aren’t being offered that because Israel hasn’t de-jure annexed Area-C."

      Correct. de jure annexation requires, under customary International Law, the consent of the LEGITIMATE citizens of the territory to be annexed, sans the citizens of "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory it has illegally acquired by war in territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "Giving Palestinians in Area-C the vote in Israeli elections would be de-jure annexation"

      No it wouldn't buster. It would be an illegal act. Illegal is NOT de jure

      " Certainly if they requested annexation it would be granted and once granted they would be given the vote"

      "if" they requested as they did Jordan But why should or would they? They have a right to their own state in territory which is currently their own. Territory Israel has NO right to!

      "The Palestinians have consistently rejected Israeli attempts to give them greater political rights"

      Of course. Israel has no right to be making illegal offers in non-Israeli territory!

      "You have to deal with the reality of the situation that the Palestinian population is obsessed with their anti-colonialist ideology and is perfectly willing to harm their self interest rather than cooperate and compromise"

      Uh huh. The Palestinians have to forgo their rights and capitulate to the illegal demands of a rogue state in order to get rights from the rogue state.

      Your supremacist theories don't deal with the reality of the situation. Israel is in breach of the Law and UN Charter and has created so many illegal facts on the ground it has never been able to afford to adhere to the law without going bankrupt.

      The Palestinians ask for their legal rights and they are under no legal obligation what so ever to forgo any their legal rights, even in negotiations.

      Israel MUST negotiate and depend on Palestinian generosity. A generosity Israel has refused time after time, preferring instead to build more and more illegal settlements in non-Israeli territory

      A negotiated agreement is the Jewish state's only legal way out of the illegal quagmire its leaders deliberately set out to create.

    • @ JeffB "An occupation is a temporary government setup by a military over territory it controls but lays no claim to. "

      The actual law

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      "Is that what you think is happening in Area-C?"
      Think schmink ... Law again UNSC Res 476 link to

    • @ JeffB "Allenby Bridge is Area-C. At this point Area-C is de-facto though not de-jure annexed. Which is not to say that Israel might not at a future date relinquish part or all of Area-C it, but what’s going on in Area-C is not occupation but internal development and management"

      UNSC res 476 says your spouting bullsh*t buster!

  • As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new settlements in West Bank
    • @ mondonut does a ziosquirm

      "Sure, if each and every home is considered its very own settlement"

      Illegal whichever way you try to spin it pal!

      Under the Laws of War 1907
      Under the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States 1933
      Under the UN Charter Chapt XI 1945
      Under the Armistice Agreements 1949
      Under GC IV 1950
      Under every UNSC resolution reaffirming and emphasizing International Law, the UN Charter and GC IV while giving Israel the opportunity to comply with its legal obligations and which Israel has deliberately ignored, supported by fools and criminals

    • correction : As world watched Gaza, Israel announced 1472 new illegal settlements in West Bank

  • Ceasefire deal after weeks of fighting in Gaza promises easing of blockade
    • The cease fire is with Hamas NOT Palestine.

      Palestine still has the legal right to mount armed resistance to the Occupying Power while the Occupying Power has military control of ANY Palestinian territory.

  • Palestinian-American teen denied access to Israel’s airport
    • @ Mikhael "Her family requested that she get a Palestinian identity card with the PA, thus making her a citizen of the Palestinian Authority."

      ONLY the US can deny here US citizenship.

      Citizens of the Palestinian Authority must have special permission to travel into Israel "

      She was already in Israel, already in the airport you stupid person

      "they may leave Israel via Ben Gurion Airport, but they must get the necessary travel permits and exit visas"

      Her mother was allowed. (sans her luggage) This stinks of f*cked Israeli officials making life as hard as they possibly can

      " If for any reason Israel doesn’t grant me my exit visa"

      Something almost worth praying for

    • @ Gene Shae The fact is pal, the news IS carrying it

      link to

  • Our new look
    • Sorry guys. I'd have thought Mondo's criteria would be to inform. White space and style is not informative nor does it add to practicability. At the current ratio of white space to pale text it's like looking for a white rabbit in a snow field.

      Likewise the left hand icons for email, twitter etc and helper text. It's almost as though you don't want them to be seen because they'll interfere with the white space style

      The top of the opening page is predominantly white space and an un-necesarilly large picture but virtually NO INFORMATION! There could be two, three or four photos and corresponding blocks of INFORMATION in the same space, before the need to scroll.

      Same for each item page. An overdose of header white space and over sized top photos/picture but not much information.

      Once comments have been added there's no 'add a comment' facility at the top. One has to physically scroll all the way to the bottom. Adding an 'add a comment' and Top & Bottom buttons is simple.

      Highlighting text to copy is a practical issue. It's almost indistinguishable. The highlight color is a practicality that does not interfere with reading (or precious white space). Changing to a darker color is simple.

      Quite frankly, a waste of space, waste of time and waste of money.

    • "Change is good!"

      Change can be sh*te.
      This version is different.
      Unfortunately 'different' does not always mean improvement.
      IMPROVEMENT is good.

      Apart from the obvious, No recent comments/No edit on comments...

      Highlighting text to copy/cut colour is a PRACTICAL feature. It's now almost imperceptible, which is impractical

      Introduce easier/semi-automated formatting

  • Mr. Netanyahu, what is your endgame?
    • Netanyahu's end game? Same as any Israeli PM, not to end up like Rabin. They dig deeper holes until excused by the election of someone to replace them

  • Salaita’s stellar teaching record exposes political motivation behind his firing
  • Ari Shavit calls out every brutality, except the ones Israel is complicit in
  • 'Lesson: The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children'
  • Air strikes and rocket fire resume as Gaza negotiations collapse
    • @ Mayhem "... it is clearly apparent why any efforts for a peaceful resolution between Israelis and Palestinians have always failed"

      Palestinians ask for their LEGAL rights under the Laws Israel obliged itself to uphold. Israel refuses and without any legal basis what so ever, demands non-Israeli territory.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, Israel demands Palestinine disarm.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow Palestinians return to Palestinian territory.
      Without any legal basis what so ever, refuses to allow non-Jews who had a right to Israeli citizenship return to Israel.

      "their position remains belligerent and uncompromising"

      Their legal rights are not belligerent nor are they under any legal obligation to compromise their legal rights under ANY circumstances

      "Hamas ridiculously demanding open borders, a seaport and airport"

      A LEGAL right to open borders, a seaport and airport is ridiculous? WOW!!! Say... when is Israel gonna give up its ridiculous open borders, seaports and airports?

      "is a certain recipe for a huge escalation of the conflict by putting Israel’s security into total jeopardy"

      Nonsense. Israel has for 66 years been putting its security in jeopardy by demanding and illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

  • Ceasefire comes to a close -- Mohammed Assaf's 'Raise Your Head High'
  • Witnessing Gaza
    • @ JeffB " Zionism was the belief that Jews should migrate to Palestine and form a society called Israel"

      OK. They did that according to the Israeli Govt "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" . Nothing outside of those proclaimed boundaries has ever been legally acquired by Israel or recognized as Israeli.

      "Today it is the belief that Israel is for Israelis the same way France is for the French and China for the Chinese."

      A) The legal extent of Israeli sovereignty is only as proclaimed and as recognized (ibid) It does not included any territory the Israeli Govt declared was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"
      B) The French do not have a law of return nor do the Chinese

      "There is no belief about discrimination"

      The Law of Return is discriminatory. The marriage laws are discriminatory. The illegal annexation of non-Israeli territories is discriminatory.

      " and in fact Israel has a pretty good track record of integrating minorities willing to be integrated"

      You either know nothing of Israel's well documented discriminatory Laws link to or you're just another liar for Zionist colonialism and blatant bigotry

      "The reason Zionists have trouble buying your view is because..." .... the truth is to them like Holy Water to Nosferatu

  • Israel correctly fears its 'delegitimizers,' says leftwing member of Irish parliament
    • @ seafoid "Lehava spokesman and former lawmaker Michael Ben-Ari denounced Jews intermarrying with non-Jews of any denomination as "worse than what Hitler did"

      Supremacist supremacy reigns supreme.

  • Man who saved Jewish boy in Holocaust acts to save Israel from 'racist... quagmire'
    • @ Jackdaw says:
      "Actually, it was his grand-niece’s Palestinian husband’s relatives who died in Gaza"

      Thanks for actually pointing out exactly which of his actual relatives .....

  • Palestine posters archive nominated to UNESCO Memory of the World program
    • @ NormanF "Its amusing because not many people know “Palestine” in the 1930s and 1940s was a Jewish country! DUH"

      Odd ... Under the Mandate Article 7 people could have PALESTINIAN citizenship, not Jewish citizenship

      You're full of BS pal.

  • How to respond to thoughtful people who can't help saying 'but Hamas'
    • @ Mooser "a poor Ziocaine Syndrome Amnesia sufferer"

      You're so considerate. Generous even

      If they ever discover zioloxone, whoever 'they' are, massive amounts should be made immediately and freely available

    • MHughes976 " I would certainly think that the descendants of Jewish people who left ME countries under pressure should have full restitution of identifiable property"

      Quite. Applying for that compensation would however expose the ghastly hypocrisy of the State of Israel unless it also responded to its legal obligations to non-Jewish refugees cleansed under Plan Dalet during the civil war and those dispossessed during the Israeli war against what remained of Palestine. Non-Jewish refugees who have a right to Israeli citizenship under a Declaration that has never been rescinded

      Ditto non-Jewish refugees who HAVE a right to return to the territory that remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine and who are now prevented by the Occupying Power from returning.

      The glaring problem is that Israel has never been able to afford compensation to A) the non-Jewish refugees it dispossessed in 48/49/50/67 and for B) the non-Israeli territory it has illegally acquired 48/49/50/67 and to the refugees it C) prevents from returning to the non-Israeli territory the Jewish state lusts after

      Therein lies the real issue. Israel cannot nor has it ever been able to afford to adhere to the law. It must either continue as a rogue state and finish its vile Greater Israel project or circumvent the law by reaching an agreement with the Palestinians. Seems the Israeli preference is the insane and illegal notion of a Greater Israel at any cost.

      Meanwhile the Palestinians have no legal or moral obligation what so ever to forgo ANY of their legal rights, even in negotiations.

    • @ Walid " the hope that some of this will start rubbing off on your Zionist handicap"

      It won't. Propagandists aren't interested. Best to humour, ridicule them and point out for honest folk to see the stupidity, hypocrisy and lies inherent in their BS

    • @ hophmi Talknic defend the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab countries after the 1948 War"

      False accusations are against the basic tenets of Judaism, that you falsely accuse is really is quite bizarre, but quite common and expected from zionist colonizers.
      BTW your cherry picking is quite pathetic. You really ought lift your game unless of course failure is your thing, In which case you're doing great. Keep up the good work!

      It is quite NORMAL for countries who’re at war to expel or inter possible enemies of the state and freeze their assets. Also quite normal to allow their return if they have not taken citizenship elsewhere ...

      What is it about "allow their return" you don't understand?

      "Actually, these expulsions of Arab Jews occurred after the 1948 War"

      Strange the first Peace Treaties were signed decades later and Israel's 1948 emergency law is still current forbidding Israeli residents and/or residents entry into entities Israel considers hostile, except of course for illegal Israeli settlers in Occupied Territories. Blatant hypocrisy seems to be a strong point

      "But I never thought I'd see talknic offering a strong defense for why Israel should have expelled all of the Palestinians in 1948, a la Benny Morris"

      Same for everyone you stupid person. I also advocate allowing citizens their return regardless of who they are if they've not opted for citizenship elsewhere, which is their choice per Human Rights Law. Morris advocates ethnic cleansing against HR Law.

      Keep flailing about. It's so cute

    • 3. Over the past 47 years of occupation"

      According to the Israeli Government May 22nd 1948 in its statement to the UNSC, the State of Israel had military control of, i.e., "occupied", territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine".

      9th July 2004 International Court of Justice the Court refers to the provisions of the Hague Regulation of 1907, which have become part of customary law, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 1949, applicable in those Palestinian territories which before the armed conflict of 1967 lay to the east of the 1949 Armistice demarcation line (or “Green Line”) and were occupied by Israel during that conflict

      Report to the Provisional Government of Israel by Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Ben-Gurion 3 Jun 1948 "The entire expanse of the State of Israel allocated to us under the terms of the UN resolution is in our hands, and we have conquered several important districts outside those boundaries"
      "To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State"

      12 Aug 1948 the Provisional Israeli Government proclaimed Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      The words of the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT tell us occupation can actually be dated from at least May 22nd 1948.

      No one has ever been able to show me any evidence that Israel has legally annexed ANY territories it has illegally acquired by war since being proclaimed and recognized as it asked to be recognized, per UNGA 181

    • @ hophmi " the Arab armies that invaded Israel.."

      Exactly which territories sovereign to Israel were invaded? I can find no UNSC resolution condemning or even suggesting they invaded Israel. In fact the Israeli Government itself claimed the war was in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine". The actual legal extent of Israeli sovereignty was then (and still is) as the Israeli Govt pleaded for recognition May 15th 1948 "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" . Israel has not sincelegally acquired any further territories.

      " the rhetoric from Arab leaders during the war was genocidal"

      Odd, they suggested a unitary state, democracy, freedom of religion link to

      " the refugee problem has been stoked for years by Arab governments who have not treated the Palestinians well "

      Nonsense. The Arab states have generously hosted Palestine refugees for 66 years at great expense. Fought the legal battle on their behalf and even gone to war to protect Palestinian territory from UN documented Israeli aggressions.

      "and no excuse for the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries afterward, in the hundreds of thousands"

      Quite NORMAL for countries who're at war to expel or inter possible enemies of the state and freeze their assets. Also quite normal to allow their return if they have not taken citizenship elsewhere as the Arab Jews did, especially those encouraged by the State of Israel to take Israeli citizenship. Israeli law in 1948 (still current) forbade their return to enemy states and prevented them from praying in the West Bank territories sovereign to Jordan 1948 - 1967.

      "A large chunk of those 1900 were militants, who purposely fire rockets from civilian areas in order to draw fire that will inevitably kill civilians."

      Just like encouraging Israelis to illegally settle in Occupied territories eh ....

  • Accounts of Israeli war crimes in Khuza'a, Gaza pile up
    • @ Jackdaw "The jackdaw is a much loved bird that has been immortalized in Western literature by Shakespeare, Chaucer and Aesop, to name a few"

      Uh huh. Folk might remember the Jackdaw, but who is going to remember you?

    • @ Jackdaw "But the testimony has been that the corpses were ‘piled’ in the bathroom"

      The photo shows how they're piled pal! BTW the testimony says a lot more than you're willing to put on the page in one .. "there were at least six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home. He’s careful not to assign blame , but he does report that “the house is filled with casings from the bullets used in assault rifles. They are marked on the bottom as ‘IMI’ (Israel Military Industries).” "

      "Maybe they were shot somewhere else in the house and than piled in the bathroom. Dunno."

      While you're speculating against evidence to the contrary and without a shred of evidence of your own, WHY were they "than piled in the bathroom" Mr Dunno?

      .. and blood was spattered and bullet holes were made in the walls to make it look like what exactly Mr Dunno?

      Anyone can speculate, maybe innocent babies, small children and their mothers were slaughtered there, then taken out so these uniformed bodies could be brought in to make it look like a military killing?

      "Autopsy would show if they were shot at close distance. Forensic experts could opine on the cause of death, not Phil Weiss or Jesse Rosenfeld"

      The cause of death you stupid stupid zionist apologist was hearts stopped beating obviously because of something passing through, lodged in, puncturing, ripping apart human flesh, where upon blood leaked out and/or was spattered on nearby objects like walls. Given that you ignore big chunks of what one can rightly call evidence, like blood spattered bullet marked walls in the same room as the corpses, your continual speculation and omission filled attempts to dismiss what evidence does exist look more and more like meaningless ziotroll waffle.

    • @ Iamani24 "Khuza, at the border with Israel .."

      It's an Armistice Demarcation Line, not a border.

      "to build terrorist tunnels from there?"

      Uh? What actual terrorist attacks were carried out from the tunnels?

    • @ Jackdaw "Evidence, my friend, would come from the testimony of a Court approved forensics expert, and not a journalist"

      Uh huh. These your words pal? “Most likely, they were militants who fell in combat and whose corpses were later gathered and piled together”

    • @ Jackdaw ////“six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home.” ////

      "Not quite."

      Uh? But you say:

      " The photo, linked below, shows six combat aged male corpses piled together in the bathroom of a small home."

      So there ARE “six rotting, dead bodies piled together in a small home." No one is denying they were of combat age or combatants you stupid stupid person.

      "Most likely, they were militants who fell in combat and whose corpses were later gathered and piled together"

      Sure pal. Make something up, ignore the blood on the walls, the bullet holes.

      "I would add that the Al Jazeera video Mondoweiss posted earlier, shows journalists and the Red Crescent walking about Khuza’a and examining combat aged male corpses laying in the streets"

      "combat aged male corpses" is meaningless drivel from one very very sick lil puppy

    • @ Jackdaw ... Uh? Why would Switzerland be shooting rockets at Germany? Is Germany illegally claiming Swiss territory, displacing Swiss citizens with illegal German settlers? Occupying the Swiss? Creating illegal facts on the ground in Switzerland?

      The answer of course is no. The Swiss have no reason to fire rockets into Germany. Your analogy is as stupid as you are.

      Here's question you can't answer without LYING or DENYING:

      What should the Palestinians do when, after being given completely gratis more than 50% of Palestine 1948 Israel ignores International Law, the UN Charter, relative conventions, illegally acquires Palestinian territory by war, illegally annexes Palestinian territory, illegally settles its Jewish citizens in Palestinian territory displacing Palestinians, illegally sells land in illegally acquired territory to illegal settlers, builds illegal facts on the ground in Palestinian territory for 66 years, while slaughtering Palestinians in order to achieve an illegal Greater Israel and when all the above has been allowed to happen by the majority of the International community?

  • Cuomo and Zuckerman take a suckers' tour of tunnels (a few miles from massacres they can't make time for)
    • Exactly how many of these tunnels are actually concrete lined? Surely a resident Hasbarrister can tell us. 'cause if there are many concrete lined tunnels there'd be a flood of photos .... but there isn't

  • Hope in the one state solution 
    • @ JeffB "There basically are no Palestinians refugees anymore. The "refugees" are a bunch of Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis... "

      Problem. They aren't Lebanese, Syrians and Iraqis if they don't have Lebanese, Syrian or Iraqi citizenship. Do they have degrees in stupidity where you come from?

      Folk with RoR to Israel are those and their families who were promised Israeli citizenship in writing! Unfortunately "Israel, the Occupying Power" also refuses RoR for Palestinians who have RoR to Occupied Territories. One can only wonder why...

      It's not mandatory for a country generously hosting refugees to grant citizenship, especially if people would rather return to their rightful homeland.

      "I've got Ukrainian great grandparents that doesn't mean I should have right to return there nor that I'm Ukrainian"

      If you have citizenship elsewhere, you're not a refugee. Do you have a point?

      "UNRWA should be gone and those "camps" should just be called villages."

      Problem, they're in places that are not where the refugees belong nor are refugees citizens where they are being hosted

      "That's the solution to the refugee problem"

      Sure pal. Say, why can't Jews simply stay in the countries where they have citizenship instead of becoming illegal settlers in non-Israeli territories. That actually WOULD solve a lot of problems.

      "If there are two states then the Palestinians are free to import whatever populations they choose whether Syrian or Vietnamese."

      Unfortunately "Israel, the Occupying Power" prevents this from happening

      " As Sharon put it the world should know next time we don’t burn in Auschwitz alone. Use them before I’d lose them. Ben-Gurion was absolutely right to make the nuclear program a high priority and having gotten there why would Israel ever give them up? "

      Nuclear terrorism is so cute. Having nukes is a threat to use them otherwise there's no point having them.

  • Israel got tank shell that killed 20 at UN school from US without Obama's approval -- WSJ bombshell
    • @Whizdom
      There have been developments in the Hellfire for other targets ... However note the payloads, none of which are pin point accurate on activation. It seems they are in fact designed for maximum slaughter

      AGM-114M Hellfire II
      Target: Bunkers, light vehicles, urban (soft) targets and caves
      Warhead: Blast fragmentation/incendiary

      AGM-114N Hellfire II
      Target: Enclosures, ships, urban targets, air defense units
      Warhead: Metal augmented charge (MAC) (Thermobaric)

      AGM-114R Hellfire II
      Target: Bunkers, light vehicles, urban (soft) targets and caves
      Warhead: Integrated Blast Frag Sleeve (IBFS) (combine blast fragmentation and fragment dispersion)

      link to

  • Tunnels-to-kindergartens propaganda Netanyahu peddled to NYT and CNN is exploded by Israeli news site
    • piotr " what could possibly connect two worlds so different? "

      Easy. They're connected with Hasburrows lined with Ziopoop

      " the “funds intended for building kindergartens for Gaza’s children” were diverted “to build tunnels of terror” How the intellects of Israeli intelligence uncovered that, and yet were surprised by the existence of the tunnels? "

      Simple.... unlike charges attract connecting blobs of Ziopoop

    • Lies lies lies lies
      Lies lies lies lies
      Who's the leader of the club that lies to me and you
      B i b i N e t a nyahu

  • Reading Salaita in Illinois—by Way of Cary Nelson (part 1)
    • @ Nurit Baytch "Furthermore, Abbas has previously declared that he intended for there to be no Israelis (i.e. Jews) in the West Bank following a peace settlement"

      WOW! Abbas speaks with parenthesis. How does that sound?

      Putting words you'd like to hear in people's mouths then trying to build an argument based on them, doesn't cut the mustard here pal!

  • The Walzer Problem
    • "Of course, if anyone has more accurate figures I would like to see them"

      Me too.... because the IDF figures simply DO NOT ADD UP!!
      link to

      Terrorists in Gaza fired 3,360 rockets at Israel.
      2,303 rockets hit Israel.
      115 rockets hit populated areas in Israel.
      584 rockets were intercepted by Iron Dome.
      119 rocket launches failed.
      475 rockets landed within the Gaza Strip.

      I'm sure an experienced Hasbarrister can explain

      BTW. They only mention "terrorists". Yet Israeli military were targeted and engaged. Few if any Israeli civilians were engaged (remembering that collateral happens in wars)

  • Imagine you are a Palestinian academic or a student
    • @ jon s "Don’t fire rockets at Israel, and your electric power won’t be disrupted"

      Don't occupy and you won't be required to make up the shortfall of basic necessities to Occupied Territories.

      Don't occupy, steal / illegally annex territory, create illegal facts on the ground, dispossess, encourage illegal settlement in non-Israeli territories, collectively punish, breach the UN Charter/International Law/relevant GCs and folk won't have a legitimate reason to resist occupation and you won't incur what is currently well deserved hatred and you won't be required to defend the indefensible....

    • jon s "Regularly, Gaza receives around 60% of its electricity from Israel, 30% from its own power plant, 10% from Egypt"

      Yes, the Occupying Power is responsible for all shortfalls of basic necessities in Occupied Territories. Maybe Israel should end occupation, Gaza has ample gas to generate all its own electricity. Now it has to import fuel to generate its 30%.

      "Hamas fires at the power plant in Ashkelon and at the power lines that provide electricity to their own people"

      Unfortunate that the IDF also relies on electricity. Say when was the territory surrounding Ashkelon legally acquired by Israel? It has been illegal to acquire territory by war (ANY war) since at least 1933

      "Hamas fires at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where humanitarian supplies are delivered to their own people"

      Not only humanitarian supplies. There are Israeli military there too. BTW .....why does stuff from Egypt have to go thru an Israeli checkpoint? Something to do with occupation I guess.

  • Watch: Young Israeli Jew at Western Wall calls for 'another war and another war and another war and another war'
    • @ Mikhael WOW! Un-corroborated subtitle translations by Memri the pro-Zionist Colonizers propaganda outfit ... impressive stuff

      2nd vid @ about 2 min in a guy asks person with the camera if they're undercover but shows no threatening behaviour .. Jew hatred fail ..
      link to

      " even with my faulty Arabic, the chant of
      al mawt, al mawt, al mawt ila al yahud
      الموت, الموت , الموت لليهود
      (“Death, death, death–death to the Jews”)"

      The people of Gaza aren't fighting Catholics or a Catholic state. It's the Jewish state, led by ... lemme see now... oh yeh ...... Jews.

  • Three dissident Jewish orgs to hold silent vigil during 50 Jewish orgs' memorial to Israeli dead
    • @ yonah fredman "... as a movement if herzl had never been born, it would probably have failed to procure the Balfour Declaration without the boost of organization and propaganda and motivation provided by the efforts of Herzl. But it existed before Herzl."

      Prior to 1897 Jews had already been migrating to the region, gaining citizenship, buying land and settling!

      The members of the Zionist Movement could also have gone to live in the Jewish peoples historic homeland while they had the opportunity. But even Herzl, who had in his life time the opportunity to go live in Palestine gain citizenship buy land and settle there, didn't bother!

      When you examine the Zionist Movement's rhetoric carefully it doesn't add up. They're thieves and liars.

      By demanding a Jewish state they robbed Israeli Jews of the right to settle anywhere in the Jewish peoples historic homeland. It is now ILLEGAL for Israelis be they Jewish or Arab, to settle in non-Israeli territory as citizens of Israel, especially in territory under Israeli military occupation.

      They immediately robbed Israelis of their promised constitution, thereby robbing them of having a legally elected government under the promised constitution.

      They're liars. Offering equality to Arab inhabitants while at the same time dispossessing them. As if the drafters of the declaration didn't know what was happening under Plan Dalet!

      They lie about not having proclaimed borders

      You're either one of them or you're barking up the wrong tree buddy! If the former YOU'RE the problem. If the latter go bark at the Zionist Federation!

  • The Greenhouse propaganda—How Gazan history is being rewritten to dehumanize Palestinians

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