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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel illegally acquired more and more land outside of it's actual Sovereign boundaries. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, hate snail mail. I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)


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  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect
    • yonah fredman Your concerns are so touching....

      Say, Is anyone gonna die because of anything Max writes? Is anyone gonna die because of Max's alleged 'monomaniacal' renaming (which could be a simple error on his part)

      Meanwhile Israeli Governments' continual and purposeful lies continue to cause plenty of death and destruction. link to

      Israeli Governments' continual and purposeful lies continue to dupe Israeli citizens into believing the State of Israel can sell them land in occupied territory. Israeli lies cause actual death and destruction. Israeli lies split the Jewish community.

      Yet Israel's purposeful destructive lies seem to be of no concern. Why?

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an
  • American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank
  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor
    • @ Hostage claro .. shall adjust

    • yonah fredman Some facts for you and your fellow apologists to keep ignoring.

      Israel was proclaimed and recognized as it asked to be recognized, according to UNGA res 181. link to

      Subsequent UNGA and UNSC resolutions are based on that fact.

      corpus separatum was never instituted. Jerusalem has never been legally separated from what remained of Palestine after Israel was declared independent of Palestine.

      "but based upon resolution 242"

      UNSC res 242 was based on Israel's proclaimed and recognized sovereign extent.

      The Jordan/Israel and Egypt/Israel peace treaties tell us the purpose of UNSC res 242 was peace treaties between states

      The annexation of East Jerusalem was illegal because it was unilateral. There was no agreement, no referendum, no self determination by the legitimate inhabitants of the territory being annexed.

    • @ Shuki "The arabs ..... Jews "

      Bigots really are quite stupid and your vile habit of purposefully lower casing the proper noun Arab/s immediately shows everyone you're one sick lil' puppy in need of psychiatric help.

      "The arabs rejected the U.N. plan"

      Irrelevant. The Jewish Agency considered it binding AFTER the Arabs rejected it link to

      It was enshrined in the Declaration months after the Arab states rejected it link to

      The Jewish state was proclaimed and recognized by it months after the Arab states rejected it link to

      "and then attacked the Jews in 1967 "

      Strange, Unlike UNSC resolution 228 condemning Israel's attack on its neighbours ( in 1966 link to in case you forgot…), there's no UNSC resolution condemning any Arab state for attacking Israel in 1967 0r 1948 for that matter.

    • @ mondonut "When the Jordanians controlled part of Jerusalem they were very tolerant of the Jews. They kindly and politely helped every one of them to leave."

      Of course. It's been pointed out to you and your dimwitted fellows quite a few times. You're such slow learners one wonders how you ever learned to breath out.

      It's NORMAL when states are at war to inter or expel foreign nationals (aliens) and or citizens who're possible 5th columnists and freeze their assets. It's also normal to allow them return and return their assets or pay compensation

      BTW Israeli law 1948 (still current) forbade Israeli residents and citizens entering the territory of a hostile entity.

      Israeli law prevented Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, from worshiping in territory under Jordanian sovereign control til 1967. Israeli law prevents Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, from returning from Israel to the Arab States Israel doesn't have a peace treaty with

  • Alterman says BDS is helping Netanyahu
    • @ Mike_Konrad "But West Bank?! No way!"

      So when was it changed back to Judea and Samaria after having been renamed the West Bank by the sovereign of the time? It isn't Israel's to rename...

    • @ Mike_Konrad "There seems to be no hope for peace" while there are moronic Zionist criminals thirsty for other folks property, willing to break International Law and the UN Charter, never willing to budge. What do you expect?

      You appear to suggest that we should just let these morons have their way.

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  • Alleged K.C. killer: 'If Jews can have a state of their own, why can't we have a White Christian state?'
    • Nurit Baytch s ".. associating me with Pamela Geller, are you implying I’m an Islamophobe?"

      Not at all. Pool/no water .... not hard to figure..

      Now YOU've mentioned it ..... She's an Islamophobe?! WOW! Who'd have known.

    • DaBakr " incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel"

      Uh? It's not the number of Jews in the US who commit these acts, it's a small number of insane people. How does 'not having Israel', equate with an increase in the number of insane people?

      They'd be ten times busier? Or ten times nuttier than this nut case had a chance to be? Or suddenly US law enforcement would shrink by something like an amazing 90%? Can you explain?

      " And luckily for Max and his raison d’etre nobody can prove this until Israel is dismantled as the Jewish Nation which isn’t going to happen for a very long time"

      Can you quote Max's "raison d'etre" according to Max please.... thx ... I'll wait

      BTW Israel wasn't declared as the Jewish Nation. It was declared as "the State of Israel". States belong to all their territory's legal citizens, regardless of religion, race, heritage, DNA and regardless if they own 'real estate' or rent 'real estate' or are homeless living under a bridge in their 'territory'.

      That's why it's important to know ones borders and why other folk should know your borders. So important in fact it was International Law by at least 1933

      Which is why Israel's plea to the Comity of Nations for recognition fulfilled the criteria
      " the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29," as required by International Law

      Israel has had its troops in non-Israeli territories for some 66 years. link to Which is why there are hundreds UNSC resolutions giving Israel hundreds of chances to comply with the binding Laws and UN Charter those resolutions emphasize and reaffirm.

    • @ Nurit Baytch "Did anyone say anything about Palestinians causing this?"

      Not directly that I can see from the small sample I read. Indirectly, yes!

      rani urabi mustafa @ranimustafa

      @docnatecohen, I hope i'm wrong but I'll bet this is #bds inspired-justified violence; BDS is inciting hatred thru distorting facts. #Kansas

      Josh Block @JoshBlockDC

      Will @CAIRNational condemn #HAMAS #Hezbollah 4 their acts of murder & terrorism against Jewish community in #Israel?

      Rabbi Steven Burg @stevenburg

      To understand Israel's situation picture this KC neoNazi murderer being released w/in a few yrs just to get Palestinians to come 2 the table

      "People have pointed out that the alleged shooter cited Max’s work"

      Certain hate mongers have indeed. So what? We should take notice of what insane hate mongers say about an insane killer?

      Already the report that 3 Jews were killed is a result of idiots leaping off the starting block before there was any water in the pool. You and the Pamela Gellers of the world seem keen to join them.

    • The face of the policeman on the right to the back says it all "WOW! This guy is one sick lil' puppy!"

    • @ hophmi "He also said that he has “a great deal of respect for Muslim people.”

      Gonna talk about that, Max?"

      We should listen to what an insane white murderous supremacist has to say? You listen to nut cases? What's the point hophmi? Are you disappointed the victims weren't Jews?

  • 'Secret' London conference seeks to link BDS to... terrorism
    • DaBakr "AND!! the elimination of Jewish sovereignty over ANY of the land. period"

      There is no "Jewish sovereignty". The sovereignty of a state belongs to ALL its legitimate inhabitants, Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish alike.

      "whatever the number now is-6 million?- descendants of Palestinians from pre-48 back to inside the green line"

      The GreenLine was a 'ceasefire' line from 1948, taken as the Armistice Demarcation line of 1949.

      2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary... link to

      The Palestine refugees ask for their legal rights under UNGA res 194 (1948), adopted 12months before UNRWA was formed in 1949. The UNRWA definition bears no relation to the RoR of 1948 refugees or final status. link to

      Furthermore Israel has never legally acquired ANY of the territory it has illegally acquired by war and never legally annexed. link to

      It should be of no concern to Israel that the vast majority of those with RoR should return to non-Israeli territory. Except of course that Israel has illegally acquired so much non-Israeli territory it cannot now afford to adhere to the law without being sent bankrupt as it tried to pay rightful compensation and remove a million or more Israelis back to Israel's ACTUAL territories. There lies Israel's fear. There lies, apart from war crimes, what Israel doesn't want adjudicated by the courts.

  • About that special relationship...
    • @ piotr "Putin may use a veto for the benefit of Syria, for Israel — not so much"

      For the strategic benefit of Russia, it's best to have the US out of the picture

    • @ Donald "What is Israel getting from Russia?

      Access to the Russian veto vote in the UNSC if needed. Israel only needs one. I believe the US public are slowly waking up to the Zionist Movement's scams

  • Two desperate anti-Semitism charges, from Foxman and Boteach
  • The Jewish community must not embrace Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    • @ DaBakr "I would be willing to wager BIG time that were Ms. Hirsi anti-Zionist she would be one of the most popular speakers on the left wing circuit"

      Uh huh. BIG time speculation can be fun. You can safely and meaninglessly bet on anything

  • Florida university president who condemned boycott has financial ties to settlements
  • For Miliband, the road to 10 Downing Street runs through Jerusalem and Sderot
    • @ radii The Zionist colonizers have had since at least 1897/8 to hone theirs kills at lobbying, gathering money and placing their money and people in places that suit their cause.

      They're not stupid, tho as witnessed here many of their (p)syc(h)ophants surely are, unless of course they're propagandists. Pity Jewish and non Jewish people alike, innocently caught up in the mess the Zionist Movement's state has purposefully created.

      If they're willing to break their own Declaration of Independence, robbing Israelis of the right to legally elect a Government with a constitution and; willing to sell their own citizens 'real estate' in territories that do not yet belong to the state and; if they're so deceitful as to invite the Arab population to stay, when they knew full well at the time Jewish forces were razing non-Jewish homes and villages and dispossessing non Jews and; if they're so willing to blatantly ignore International Law and the UN Charter, they're probably capable of anything, no matter how sick, ghastly or illegal.

  • 'Not a single person in this room would accept living as Palestinians do, generation after generation'
    • Why is this repeated "the areas that became Israel in 1948. "

      The only areas that became Israel in 1948 were those under which the Israeli Government pleaded for recognition link to and by which it was recognized

      By at least 1933 the acquisition of territory by war was illegal link to . Israel has not yet legally acquired ANY territories it has acquired (illegally) by war. No one has been able to show me where, how, when and by what agreement territories captured by Israel 1948-49 became sovereign to Israel.

    • @ Sumud ... Israel couldn't afford it in 1948

    • @ DaBakr "In Israel we are judged by Palestinian judges"

      The Israeli judicial system has no Palestinian judges. They're Israeli you ding dong. But being non-Jewish do not have equal rights

      " treated by Arab doctors and bossed by Druze police and taught but Palestinian professors ... etc etc"

      All of them Israeli you ding dong

  • Simon Schama's Israel whitewash
    • DaBakr "why it has been so extremely successful more then the founders could ever imagine"

      Uh? Simple, although some Jewish folk and institutions owned 'real estate' in Palestine, it was minuscule compared to the the 'territory' given completely gratis for the Jewish state and;
      Israel has illegally acquired by war some 50% of the territories that remained of Palestine in 1948 after Israel was proclaimed as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" , exploiting the resources, collecting money from the sale of land and taxes from Israeli citizens now illegally populating those illegally acquired territories. Added to which there have been since 1897, billions upon billions of diaspora dollars, billions of US aid dollars poured into it and huge outside investments in the illegal settlements.

      "and why the surrounding Arab states are so far behind its not even a joke"

      The Arab States are part of ye olde colonial divide and conquer tactic, with the wealth and power kept out of the hands of the population and in the hands of those the colonialistas favoured.

      "all due to some ‘big zionist plot’ conceived and hatched by evil sub-humans who could care less about any humanity other then Jewish people"

      If you say so. The Zionists have however, certainly plotted to take all of Palestine.

      ""such a moron. such a fool. oh my time is coming. we will be sorry. 60yrs of such utter BS..

      Well if you believe Israel didn't declare any borders for example, you certainly have been sucked in.

      "please somebody ban me forever from this accursed site.."

      Why, you could simply not come here spreading your nonsense.... which BTW give folk the opportunity to counter your nonsense with well sourced statements from the Israeli Government and its leaders, the actual words of documents, logic, the kind of things of which the Hasbara is bereft.

      "my neighbor, and he’s Druze"

      Why should we believe that story from a person who has come here and lied?

    • W.Jones "over the next few years the Aliyah movement continued as the nationalists hoped and that would have made a much larger majority within those lines"

      The Aliyah movement made a much larger majority within the Israeli Proclaimed UNGA re 181 lines by at least 1950 even if there had been RoR allowed

      From the Ad Hoc Committee report - The non-Jewish population of the Jewish state was 499,020 Jews and 509,780 Arabs (including the Bedouin)

      Roughly 156,000 remained in Israel according to wikI/Pedia

      From those figures 509,780 less 156,000 only 353,780 fled Israel's actual "proclaimed" and recognized territory.

      Unlike the Jewish population, neither the Bedouin or the remaining and/or returning Arab population in Israel would have increased thru the influx and procreation of new immigrants, Arab Jewish refugees from other states and/or Holocaust survivors. Had return been allowed the total non-Jewish population was swiftly surpassed by Jewish folk. link to

    • @ DaBakr

      “Israel has fail as a state…”


      Failed: To adhere to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

      Failed: To write a constitution under which a legal election may be held. Israel has never had a legally elected Government, under the promised constitution.

      Failed: To adhere to the binding laws, UN Charter chapters and relevant conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving the State of Israel hundreds of opportunities to adhere to the law which it has failed to observe

      Failed: to prevent its citizens from illegally settling in occupied territories where they are very likely to fall foul of the violence expected when one occupies another people and their territory.

      Failed: to withdraw from all non-Israeli territory as required by binding law, the UN charter and relevant conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in those resolutions post UNSC res 242 (read UNSC res 476 link to )

      Failed: to legally annex any territories it has illegally acquired by war since proclaiming it's borders effective as of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to

      Failed: to tell the Israeli the truth about its proclaimed borders

      Failed: to tell its citizens it is selling them non-Israeli land in Occupied Territories

      Failed: To uphold the most basic of Judaisms tenets by lying, coveting other folks property, stealing, false accusations link to

    • @ Kathleen ... You can be sure that the Public Relations firms hired to help rebrand Israel and cultivate a new surge in support for Israel have huge budgets

    • @ DaBakr got any evidence for your claims? Or are you just another flapping wailgob apologist for Israel's illegal expansionist policies?

      "Please name me any nation in history-ever-that has willingly agreed to give up sovereignty-won through over 60yrs of war-to ... "

      It has been illegal to acquire territory by war since at least 1933. link to

      Israel is required to withdraw before peaceful relations are assumed (see Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty link to ) or plea bargain with the Palestinians who have been more than generous in their offers to cede 78% of their rightful territory to Israel for peace link to

    • @ DaBakr "please cite sources .."

      Shingo has provided plenty for you to ignore

      "and so on since you all are constantly making rferences to Hitlers war"

      Israel is in breach of Laws and UN Charter adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Rather Naziesque.

      "I am not .. denying that these were carried out as part of an overall plan to secure borders of the new state."

      Far beyond the borders, in territories "outside of the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to

    • DaBakr "While the Israelis NEVER set out to destroy Arabs..." ... Zionists did and they're still trying.

  • 'There's a lot of anti-Semitism out there' -- Johansson reviews her role as 'new face of apartheid'
    • @ JeffB dual citizenship or maybe in posting so much unsubstantiated bull sh*t he simply forgets what he's said

      There is no intrusion into our politics by Israel.


      ..we aren’t losing. Seems to me this year there is more housing in the West Bank and Israel’s trade is greater than last year.

    • @ JeffB You're obviously paid to post complete BS, surely no one purposefully makes a complete f@ckwit of themselves for nothin'

      //creating the largest refugee population in the world today //

      "I suspect the Congo"

      You suspect = you don't know and you're not bothered to find out, yet you try to reply.

      // longest military occupation //

      "Don’t know"

      Liar, you go on to name Israel and give the false UN hates Isael bullsh*t, which can be so easily disproven its moronic to use it in defense of the indefensible.

      The UN has in fact, thru the UNSC given Israel hundreds of opportunities to adhere to the Law and UN Charter and has never taken any action against Israel for ignoring its legal obligations. Name another country given so many opportunities by the UN.

      "Finally, we aren’t losing. Seems to me this year there is more housing in the West Bank and Israel’s trade is greater than last year"

      You've lost if illegal actions and money are the criteria for winning pal

  • 'In every generation they rise up against us' -- Passover and the Jewish imagination
    • @ hophmi "Yes, the paleoconservatives have been deluding themselves for a long time. Keith seems to be a case in point, fabricating quotes about Einstein and all"

      Or copying without checking. link to

      Meanwhile the Israeli Government and its spokespersons amongst their thousands of blatant lies and crimes against International Law and the UN Charter, claim Israel didn't have any declared borders in 1948 ... link to

    • @ yonah fredman

      " ..the predominant view here is “let Judaism disappear.”
      Uh huh...
      link to

  • State Dep't tries to clean up Kerry's 'Poof'
    • @ JeffB "It has offered to trade territory in pre-1967 Israel for territory in the West Bank"

      Pre-1967 Israel had never legally acquired any territory beyond its proclaimed borders effective 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to

      In effect, Israeli is willing to bargain Palestinian territory it acquired by war for Palestinian territory, so Israel can keep Palestinian territory.

      "It has also offered money"

      Israel doesn't have the kind of money needed to pay reparations for 66 years of lies, illegal territorial acquisition, dispossession, illegal land seizures. Not to the Palestinians OR Israelis whose government has illegally sold them land in non-Israeli territory.

      Israel'd have to try for more than a $100,000,000 loan at today's rates link to

    • @ JeffB "They annexed Jerusalem since then"

      Illegal annexation doesn't transfer sovereignty.

      "Countries don’t lightly give up annexed territory"

      Not Israel's to give up. (see UNSC res 476)

      "So no they wouldn’t listen"

      Never have, that's why there are so many UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of its legal obligations

      " Anymore than sanctions would get the USA to give Texas back to Mexico"

      Texas was legally annexed via an agreement through a referendum of the valid citizens of Texas. It wasn't even Mexican territory when the Texans agreed to be annexed to the USA.

      By the US adopting the legal custom of an agreement to annex territory, Texas, Hawaii, even Alaska AFTER it was bought from the USSR, the US was instrumental in that legal custom passing into Customary International Law.

      The US cannot legally recognize territories Israel has illegally acquired by war and never legally annexed.

      "The UN doesn’t have enough teeth to get a major territory concession from Israel"

      The US UNSC veto vote is the final and only protection Israel has and it is squandering it by not adhering to the law and by demanding more instead of making peace while it still holds.

      Israel wasn't even able to afford to adhere to the law in 1948 without going bankrupt. 66 years later the bill is astronomical.

    • JeffB "In a normal situation, Kerry would see Israel’s construction projects as a purely internal matter"

      Construction projects outside of Israel is not internal.

      "The USA shouldn’t be involved."

      The USA is a major power in the UNSC. It is A) obliged as a UNSC Member to be involved and B) as the only vetoing country on resolutions against Israel, it is a must have for Israel to continue its illegal activities.

  • 66 years ago today 42 members of my family were slaughtered in Deir Yassin
    • @ Anti-BDS "So let me get this straight. You want to ban and boycott people who disagree with you on the issue of Israel……"

      Ooops you were going to "get this straight"

      What was written is still there link to

    • JeffB "That kind of rhetoric leads to no possibility of a humane solution. If Israel is a true implacable enemy, like your rapist analogy, then becomes a war to total extermination on both sides"

      You're so full of bullsh*t you'll say anything no matter how illogical. The rapist could stop. The rape victim would not then need to defend themself

      " If Israel is a true implacable enemy, "

      "If" ?? You're full of bullsh*t and blind. The Palestinians in front of the world at the UN offered to cede 78% of their rightful territory for peace link to . Israel's response has been to continue its ILLEGAL expansionist policies, showing itself to be implacable

      " of course there is no reason what-so-ever for the Israelis to ever want to make peace with people who have such a warped hateful view of them"

      WOW!! Israel should be loved for illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory, dispossessing the rightful inhabitants. Go see a shrink pal

    • @ JeffB "They got it from the Christian civilization that lived there in the 4th – 7th century"

      Uh? It was already Palestine. Did Palestinians colonize Palestine?

      Until Israel legally annexes the territories it has acquired by war, Palestine 2014 is what remained of Palestine after Israel was "proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947"

    • JeffB "There was never a full scale war"

      The Government of Israel disagrees with you

      "The large population war started in ’36 .."

      1897 with the Jewish COLONIAL Trust

      "As for not talking to enemies during war, if the war is still on then don’t complain about civil rights violations"

      Small matter of the Laws of war and subsequent conventions.

      "Your arguments runs both ways, you can’t have it both ways either "

      Let's read you argument
      "the Palestinians are legitimate inhabitants of the Israeli state or they are hostiles

      Israel in Palestinian territory "outside the State of Israel" .. "in Palestine" is the invader. Invasion is hostile..

      " the Israelis are fully within their rights to repel them, survival is an imperative"

      Israel hasn't fought for survival, it's fought in non-Israeli territory to illegally acquire non-Israeli territory.

    • JeffB "Every country is the spoils of colonialist crimes"


      BTW The great colonizers stopped last century pal. Israel continues today.

      " Every species alive is the spoils of colonialist crimes. The air you are breathing while you are reading my post is the spoils of the plants having colonized this planet from the anaerobic bacteria. There is no getting away from the spoils"

      OK have it your way, might is right, when someone f#cks you over, tough pal

    • @ JeffB

      The notion that relations can be “normalized” and “neighborly”, while the state and its citizens are still systematically violating fundamental human rights, and committing a crime against humanity in the process, is far-fetched and extremely convoluted logic.

      You make peace with enemies not friends.

      Adhering to the law is unilateral.

      Dialogue comes first


      One doesn't have to have dialogue or recognize each other OR have a peace treaty. None are mandatory or even necessary for peace. Under the UN Charter and International Law, all states are obliged however to adhere to the law and have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State .. and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

    • @ Naftush "No serious Zionist whitewashes the events at Deir Yassin"

      Sure pal.

      "thousands of Palestinians fled solely because sources they considered reliable told them that they were next in line"

      What Jewish forces were doing and are still doing tells us they WERE next in line

    • Anti-BDS "Why are you focusing on 250 people many of whom were armed being killed in a war 66 years ago"

      That's the topic.

      " but not focus on 200,000 people being killed in Syria including many Palestinians????"

      It's not the topic

      " #DoubleStandard"

      No. It's not the topic!

    • @ Naftush "Maybe because nothing with regards to Palestine resembles genocide... ".. except for what resembles genocide in the UN definition of genocide (my bold)

      Legal definition of genocide
      Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as
      "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." link to

      You're pushing another empty Hasbarrow

    • @ DaBakr "your using magical thinking if you believe the Arab militias and regular armies were sticking to what you say were boundaries of the new partition:"

      So ... exactly what territory actually sovereign to Israel did they invade? Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq were UN Member states, why are there no UNSC resolutions condemning their alleged invasion of Israel?

      "Arabs didn’t even recognize the ‘Jewish Mandate’"

      It was not and is still not mandatory to recognize states. What is required is "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

      As Jewish forces were already in non-Israeli territories on the day Israel was proclaimed, the Arab Regional Powers had the right to attempt to expel armed Israeli aliens (even if they were Jews) from what remained of Palestine.

      " The new Israeli army formed of many former militant/terrorists fought to retain the status of the UN partition"

      Uh huh. In territories "outside the State of Israel" .."in Palestine" according to the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT link to

      " not some plan for ‘greater Israel’ which wasn’t even a formulated idea yet"
      Uh huh..

      Ben-Gurion did not want to limit themselves from the outset: “We accepted the UN Resolution, but the Arabs did not. They are preparing to make war on us. If we defeat them and capture western Galilee or territory on both sides of the road to Jerusalem, these areas will become part of the state. Why should we obligate ourselves to accept boundaries that in any case the Arabs don’t accept?”

      " I don’t lose any sleep over competing narratives of history as I don’t pt much stock in any one side owning the so-called ‘truth’"

      Odd. You try to perpetuate Israeli propaganda easily disproven by quoting verbatim Jewish leaders and Israeli Government statements

  • Australia opposed Palestinian UN bid because foreign policy was 'subcontracted to Jewish donors' -- report
  • 'NYT' self-censors, axing headline blaming Israeli settlements
  • Appeals court upholds dismissal of anti-BDS lawsuit against Olympia Food Co-op
    • @ DaBakr "whats ‘hasbara central”?"

      Where Hasbarristers go to get their Hasbarrows filled with wholly holey mouldy old Hasbara. They're all the same. Same tactics. Same arguments. Same disappear from a thread when they can't answer a question. Same reappear and ignore what they avoided. Same derailing, same pointing elsewhere, same never admitting. Same false accusations, same smear tactics. Same lies

      "anybody who disagrees with you?"

      No. Peddlers of easily dis-proven nonsense.

      "i guess you like to play in your own sandbox."

      Heck no. It's better fun showing how some sand boxes have only sand.

      " what you do is Palestinian hasbara no different then any other ‘hasbara’ "

      Uh? It's Jewish Agency and Israeli Government statements from 1948 that show the lies they perpetuate now. link to

      "unless you think attaching a modern hebrew word to the act of PR"

      Uh? Justification isn't PR and when the justification is nothing more than easily disproven bullsh*t and nonsense, it's propaganda.

    • @ Anti-BDS

      ".. I am sitting here in Jerusalem with my horns sticking out the side of my head, drinking Palestinian children s blood whilst I work out how many international laws to break because I am evil…. "

      If you say so, no one else has... Have you anything else but a legless little strawman?

      "What a ridiculous statement you make!"

      Uh? That was your statement

    • @DaBakr

      "That lie has been put to the fire many times and always burns."

      Your lies and propaganda don't burn anything buddy

      "BDS calls for all lands including east Jerusalem to be turned over"

      "all lands"? You lie (Lying is against the basic tenets of Judaism on behalf of the Jewish state? Really weird that so many apologists for Israel lie!) and;

      East Jerusalem is not Israeli. Since being proclaimed BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT as " an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to Israel has never legally acquired ANY territory via legal annexation by agreement and;
      The acquisition of territory by war, ANY war, has been illegal since at least 1933 link to

      " as well as having all refugees and their progeny return to Israel"

      "all refugees" again you lie!

      "all the refugees and their progeny" do not have RoR to Israel. Far more refugees have a right to return to non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by Israel by war by 1949/50 and '67 . That's the threat Israel fears.

      The Palestinian claim to return to Israel is via UNGA res 194 (1948). UNRWA didn't exist until 1949, it's irrelevant to UNGA res 194 (1948)

      " which in effect and actuality negates the sovereignty of Jews over their own small nation"

      Only if one believes the lies you've told above Pajero. Under scrutiny your strawman falls over. Pity, it was so cute

    • Anti-BDS " I can see you already geared up ready to go on a rant about they can forget about their rights due to their treatment of the Palestinians blah blah"

      Cute. Speculation can be fun. You can say whatever bullsh*t you want

      "but I remind you all that we do not lose our legal and national status .."

      No one is asking Israel to give up its legal and national status. They're attempting to have Israel abide by the law.

  • 'Poof' -- Kerry blames Israel for breakdown of talks (Updated)
    • @ Mayhem "Anybody who reads between the lines can see that the unwillingness of the Arabs to accept Israel as a Jewish state is the fundamental blocker "

      Anybody who can read can see that the Israeli demand has no legal basis what so ever and is furthermore, irrelevant to International Law, the UN Charter and conventions relating to the independence of an occupied state and; the basic necessity for occupation to end before a state is independent.

      Let's look at a prime example. I'm sure you've heard of the State of Israel.

      BEFORE it recognized any other state and while it was at war in & while it occupied non-Israeli territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to Israel was recognized as it asked to be recognized "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to

      BEFORE Israel had any Peace Treaties and BEFORE it recognized any of its immediate neighbours, Israel was admitted to the UN while it was at war in and while it occupied non-Israeli territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"(ibid).

      There are numerous UN Member states who do not recognize each other, they are never the less independent sovereign states. Recognition is not mandatory. Non-recognition is not illegal. Non-recognition is not a legal impediment to statehood link to

      Whether states recognize each other or not, all states are required to have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State" .. "and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" link to
      Israel has failed to abide by its legal obligations time and time again as it threatened to do 31st August 1949 link to

      The Palestinians ask for their legal rights. Israel's demands for recognition and non-Israeli territory, have absolutely no legal basis.

    • @ hophmi "The peace process will continue as long as there are American Presidents and SecStates who wish to try to use it to cement their legacies, because all of these people share some sentimental interest in the Holy Land"

      The love of lobby money... that's $ome $entimental intere$t they $hare!

      "If UN support were enough to get the Palestinians a state"

      Too late buddy link to

      "(besides the one they’ll have in Jordan when and if the monarchy falls)"

      Your ignorance over floweth and your theory based on it is cute

      1) The monarchy is not the state
      2) Only Jordanians have a right to determine the future of their state. Palestinians do not.

    • @ hophmi In true Hasbarrista denialist style

      " Nor am I a big fan of empty gestures like joining international treaties before you’re actually a state."

      The majority of the world have recognized Palestine as a state. Catch up there hophmi

      "But what I’m really not a fan of is people who don’t deal with reality, whether it’s here or in my own camp"

      Uh huh. Like denying an already recognized state, is not yet a state. You're nonsense is so cute

      "Meanwhile, the Palestinians are still no closer to statehood"

      They're already a state, no closer to being an 'independent' state because Israel refuses to end the occupation

      "and won’t get there by deluding themselves about John Kerry"

      They're not. They're joining international treaties AS A STATE!

    • @ yonah fredman "Not sure, just speculating. But let’s see. If Obama loses the Sen.."

      Uh? Why don't you just speculate on the fact that Israel has for the last 65 years ignored its obligations to International Law, the UN Charter AND its own Declaration regardless of which POTUS has been in power.

      The one thing that hasn't yet been tried is for Israel to abide by the law and withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territories for once. Israel could implement such a policy immediately, unilaterally and without any US involvement what so ever.

    • Until the US drops the veto vote in the UNSC against actions to be taken for Israel's obvious illegal activities, it's all BULLSH*T!

  • Zionism has distorted American Jewish life
    • @ giladg "American Jews should read the likes of Mark Twain and others to learn a little on how insecure Jews were in the USA just 150 years ago.."

      Prior to and as of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to what Twain said was and still is irrelevant to the legal status of Israeli sovereignty and Israel's illegal actions in non-Israeli territories.

  • 'We ask you to show solidarity with the farmers and their families of Gaza': Open letter to Neil Young from Gaza agricultural workers
    • @ Rational Zionist

      "If Gaza wants free and unfettered access and movement, maybe they should beat their swords (rockets, bombs) into plow shears. Israel doesn’t want Gaza. .. "

      Gaza is a part of Palestine. You're saying Texas should not fight for the USA were the USA invaded, even though the invader didn't want Texas?

      As for Israel not wanting Gaza. Red Heifer sh*t pal. I defy you to answer these Q's honestly.
      1) Why has Israel illegally retained and illegally settled most of the non-Israeli territory of and around the Gaza Strip link to and claimed it for the State of Israel without having ever legally annexed it?

      2) Why did Israel take military control of Gaza from Egypt and then begin to illegally settle it?

    • @ libra "Good grief, what a diagnosis! If this is what passes for medicine in California these days..."

      It has been known about for centuries and often used in th' movies to portray a sense of vulnerability esp in women. Filming from a position slightly higher or with their head tilted slightly down so they have to look up.

      link to
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    • @ Taxi " Neil’s eyes, you’ll see he’s suffering from something the Japanese call ‘Sanpaku’"

      Left eye only ;-) and he's always had it, tho to a slightly lesser degree link to

  • Maryland legislature passes toned down anti-BDS language
  • Where is Sarah Ali?
    • DaBakr "Thats right, Israel is nothing but ‘mean mean and more mean’. Nasty and horrible country and people. Nothing as mean has ever existed like Israel before-on this Earth."

      If you say so...

      Meanwhile because other countries have been as mean as Israel and worse, there is International Law, a UN Charter and numerous conventions adopted to attempt to prevent such behaviour. All of which Israel is obliged to uphold.

      The hundreds of opportunities extended to Israel to comply with the law thru UNSC resolutions have all been ignored. Squandered on the illegal expansionist policies of the Zionist Movement's state

      "And BTW-did you know that the other day on a show watched by something like 40% of Israeli households..etc etc.."

      Completely irrelevant to International Law and Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories. Read UNSC res 476

    • @ DaBakr Such is the nonsense of Israel's idiot apologistas

      "And even more-there are pics of the 2 walking out of the hospital in Jordan (after first being treated in Israel) freely w/o aid. One on crutches due to a knee bandage and the other w/o any apparent bandages"

      "after first being treated in Israel" ... Uh huh ... treated for what if they were as you claim "NOT wounded" ??

    • Oooops Mondonut... hophmi...they're all the same, all have the same schtick

    • @ Inanna LOL ... hophmi is a propagandist. It's not in their brief to learn anything.

      Their job is to deny, lie, obfuscate, misrepresent, post complete nonsense and when faced with incontrovertible evidence, try to change the focus, make false accusations, shoot the messenger etc or simply run away

    • mondonut "I am sure that makes sense in the fantasy world that you have constructed for yourself, however in the real world Israel exercises no control over that border"

      Israel is the Occupying Power, not Egypt. Under the Peace treaty Egypt is obliged to Israeli security. Under the 2005 crossings agreement the Occupying Power has final say in when who and what moves to and from Gaza.

    • @ mondonut "Please explain how Israel can prevent a Gazan from travelling to Cairo...."

      Under the Peace Treaty with Egypt and the crossings agreement of 2005. Israel IS the Occupying Power.

      "...and from there to Amman?"

      From where?

  • 'For me, Palestine is paradise': An interview with Leila Khaled
    • @ Mayhem "Furthermore it is abhorrent to tout a number like ‘six million’ which has obvious Holocaust connotations"

      Nothing is too ridiculous for Israel's apologists

    • @Interested Bystander "The question remains what is the actual number of refugees with a direct link to inside ’48 Israel lines?

      '48 Israel lines at the time UNGA res 194 was adopted = as the Israeli Govt asked to be and was recognized, " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to I.e., before Israel made any claims (31st Aug 1949 as a UN Member link to ) to territories acquired by war (and was rebuffed (ibid))

      "Sumud’s 5 million number is the number registered with UNRWA."

      Simple chronology tells us that when UNGA res 194 was adopted (1948) under which Palestine refugees claim RoR to Israel '48, UNRWA (1949) simply didn't exist.
      The UNRWA definition didn't exist.
      The UNRWA figure cannot be related to or relevant to RoR under UNGA res 194.

      Furthermore the UNRWA site tells us it has nothing to do with final status

      (Q) “Is UNRWA involved in the Middle East peace negotiations and in the discussions on a solution to the refugee issue?”
      (A)No. UNRWA is a humanitarian agency and its mandate defines its role as one of providing services to the refugees. However, UNRWA highlights the international community’s obligation to provide a just and durable solution for Palestine refugees.”
      link to

      " It looks like that includes refugees displaced in ’67, i.e. not from inside ’48 borders. "

      Correct. Palestinian refugees are from Palestinian territories.
      Palestine refugees are from what was Palestine, some of which became Israel where some of them had a right to citizenship in that state.
      Palestine refugees BTW included Jewish folk who were cared for in Israel by UNRWA until the Israeli Govt took over responsibility in 1952

      "Palestinians who lived in the West Bank, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon pre-’48 would not seem to have a claim to “return” to inside ’48 lines"

      If they were dispossessed from territory assigned to a Jewish state, accepted as and recognized as Israel, they had a right to Israeli citizenship. In effect Israel denies the right of its own to return

      "If you think they do, it’s still necessary to make that distinction, because the rationale would have to be other than “they lived there.”"

      Here's the applicable definition link to

      "The settlement project has an element of ethnic cleansing about it, and it’s what makes it repugnant"

      Repugnant and illegal (IOW evil). Israeli citizens illegally in non-Israeli territory, illegally being sold non-Israeli land by the Israeli Govt, illegally displacing non-Jewish Palestinians from their rightful territory STINKS of ethnic cleansing!

      "when Kaled talks of violence against civilians, it has an element of ethnic cleansing about it that is equally not justified"

      Israeli civilians (many of whom are armed) illegally in territory not belonging to the state of Israel, are illegal alien belligerents in Palestine, so are their security guards and so is their army. The IDF and the Israeli Government use them as human shields on a huge scale, they call it 'defense'.

      The Palestinians have a RIGHT to attempt to expel them by force of arms. It has nothing what so ever to do with ethnic cleansing.

      " I think there is a distinction between someone who was displaced in ’48 and is living stateless in a refugee camp withoug opportunity for a better life, and someone who was displaced in ’48 but has found citizenship and a good life in a new place."

      Having taken citizenship in a country other than that of return, one is no longer a refugee. No refugee status. No refugee rights. link to

      For example - having taken citizenship in states other those of return, there are no longer any Arab Jewish refugees, which, despite the Hasbara, is why no claims have been lodged.

    • The number of six million Palestinians being discussed here is simply bullsh*t.

      They do not all have RoR to Israel. At the time UNGA res 194 was written, on which the Palestinians make their legal claim, the State of Israel was as it asked to be recognized "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29" it had not legally acquired any further territories. In fact Israel has NEVER legally acquired any further territories.

      UN estimate approximately 711,000 refugees fled territories "controlled" by Israel. I.e., it included non-Israeli territory which was according to the State of Israel, "outside the State of Israel".."in Palestine" link to

      From the Ad Hoc Committee report - The non-Jewish population of the Jewish state was 499,020 Jews and 509,780 Arabs (including the Bedouin)

      Roughly 156,000 remained in Israel according to wikI/Pedia

      From those figures 509,780 less 156,000 only 353,780 fled Israel's actual "proclaimed" and recognized territory.

      Unlike the Jewish population, neither the Bedouin or the remaining and/or returning Arab population in Israel would have increased thru the influx and procreation of new immigrants, Arab Jewish refugees from other states and/or Holocaust survivors. Had return been allowed the total non-Jewish population was swiftly surpassed by Jewish folk.

      BTW "We appeal - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. "

      Do you really think the Zionist Movement and the Jewish People's Council didn't know there were Jewish forces already expelling them, razing their homes, destroying their farms, villages?

    • @ Naftush "It’s been offered to her ..."

      Israel has only ever offered to swap Palestinian territory for Palestinian territory so Israel can keep Palestinian territory.

    • @ Naftush "You then link to the Mandate"

      Yes. Specifically to Article 7 where it says "The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. " link to

      "I see it the other way around. At the outset of the Mandate.."

      At the outset the Mandate said "The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. " It hasn't changed you know!

      "the Zionist Movement was a fringe Jewish movement "
      Over Palestine? Please spare us your nonsense.

      "The things you say the Jews were free to do (“immigrate to Palestine, have citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People’s Historic Homeland”) met with violent resistance that crested with the events of 1929

      A) It's what the Mandate says
      B) When the Zionist COLONIAL plan became apparent, of course.

      "Only then, and I would say as a result, Zionism fixated on statehood"

      Jewish COLONIAL Trust of 1897 ring any bells pal?

    • @ Tal "The vast majority of mizrachi Jews identify as Israeli Jews and this what counts right now"

      Mizrahi Jews are Arabic, whether they're Israeli or not. Mizrahi Jews who identify as Israeli Jews, still have an Arabic heritage & I dare say DNA

    • @ Tal "I wonder what would have happened if Israel had honestly and truthly negotiated peace with the Palestinians..."

      There'd have been no "crimes of the Nakba", "reparations" or "refugees". However, it has never been the intention of Israel to be honest link to

      "I wonder if the Palestinians would have accepted this path and ceased all practical plans to liberate the whole of Palestine"

      If Israel had ceased plans to take all of Palestine they might have. As it is the Palestinians are willing to cede 78% of the territory allotted for the Arab state under UNGA res 181

      If the Zionist Movement had not insisted on a Jewish State, Jews would have had the right to immigrate to Palestine, have citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's Historic Homeland link to

      By insisting on a separate state and by having proclaimed its borders "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" the "Zionist Movement" took away that right.

    • @ Tal "Israelis are afraid to find themselves living in an Arab state which it’s culture and language and religions are foreign and intimidating

      By 1950 the population of Israel was 1,370,000. There were at least 156,000 non-Jewish Arabs in Israel and some 500,000 Arab Jewish refugees from the Arab states. That’s 656,000 Arabs of a population of about 1,370,000, which is about 47% not including the indigenous Arab Jews of Israel!

      "It’s very natural for a nation to want to preserve itself"

      Israel now only admits to a 20% Arab population

  • Friedman says Iran's friends include BDS and Jews in Open Hillel movement
    • @ yonah fredman "The assertion that the Palestinians accepted Israel at the 1949 armistice line implies that there would be no real outstanding issues other than that of borders."

      Uh? Borders would be resolved by that acceptance. There's the not so small matter of compensation for that territory acquired by Israel by 1949 "outside the State of Israel" link to (map: link to ) and;
      there's the matter of RoR/or compensation for Palestinians to that territory and;
      there's the matter of RoR/or compensation for refugees with RoR to Israel

    • yonah fredman "Did the PLO really propose giving up the right of return?"

      Uh? The PLO? Palestinians have RoR to Palestine, not Israel. Those with a right to return to Israel would be refugees from Israel, not what remained of Palestine after Israel proclaimed its borders. They're not Palestinians and;
      Israel agreed to abide by UNGA res 194

      link to
      Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a Member of the United Nations",

      Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 and 11 December 1948 and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representatives of the Government of Israel before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions

    • "as soon as Israel pulls the settlers who have been there for 47 years"

      Israeli citizens have been settling in territories occupied (under the control of Israeli military authorities) since May 1948. link to and link to (Map: link to

      None of the territory captured and occupied by Israel between 15th May 1948 and Israel's 11th May 1949 acceptance into the UN has ever been legally annexed to Israel.

      Why only mention '67?

  • Bill de Blasio gives Avigdor Lieberman the Big Apple
    • @hophmi When a state has hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving it the opportunity to abide by the binding laws and conventions those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize and it continues to break the law, why would anyone in their right mind believe a word it or the supporters of its illegal actions say?

  • When Anja Niedringhaus went to Gaza
    • @ yonah fredman "talknic- You are simpleminded"

      Insults are cute and typical of Zionist propagandists who have nothing left to scrape from the bottom of their Hasbarrow.

      If it was so dangerous for Jews in Europe, why didn't Herzl and the rest of the Zionist Federation go to Palestine before WWI and operate from the Jewish People's Historic homeland?

    • @ yonah fredman "the one state solution, as in the annexation of territories and giving the residents the vote, by the nature of the withdrawal from Gaza, would not involve Gaza."

      Will Israel (presuming that is the name of the 'one state' including the West Bank) stop blockading Gaza? Sign a peace treaty? Withdraw from all the non-Israeli territories surrounding the Gaza strip acquired by war by 1949/50? As a separate state, Gaza would have the right to "restore" its sovereignty link to over the territories illegally acquired by Israel 1948/49 link to

    • @ yonah fredman "There is no question that Herzl saw the danger to the Jews in Europe clearly "
      Seems rather stupid to have stayed in Europe!

    • yonah fredman

      "If Herzl saw the future, which he did, he must have been right"

      He saw a rogue state in breach of hundreds of resolutions? WOW!! Herzl was a megalomaniac who wasn't even from the region, could have in his life time immigrated to Palestine, achieved citizenship, settled and bought land anywhere in the Jewish people's historical homeland. He didn't bother.

  • 'NYT' readers who objected to calling Abbas 'defiant' have a point, public editor rules
    • yonah fredman "The way it looks to me is that Israel has two (long range) alternatives: withdrawal from the West Bank .." =Legal alternative

      "..and annexation of the West Bank (including giving full citizenship to all residents of the West Bank)" = Illegal without a referendum of legitimate Palestinian citizens, including West Bank Palestinians in the diaspora in refugee camps, (sans Israelis).

      "It is valid to consider both these long range alternatives as bad alternatives "
      Adhering to the law is a bad alternative .... hilarious stuff

  • Ehud Olmert's JNF-sponsored tour nixed after corruption conviction
    • @ yonah fredman " if you had given the Jews a country with a coast on the Mediterranean, even as small as Gaza is even as overcrowded as it is, the Jews would have turned it into something more than what Hamas has done with it."

      Uh huh "if you had given the Jews a country with a coast on the Mediterranean, even as small as Gaza is even as overcrowded as it is" and under occupation, lack of control over airspace, territorial waters, border crossings, embargoes, blockades, financial strangulation, unable to stop incursions from it's friendly territory hungry occupying neighbour ...

      Say .... tell us some more meaningless speculative fairy tales uncle fredo

  • 'NYT' stamps Jimmy Carter 'radioactive' and not 'a force for good'
    • biorabbi "What’s not for the Mondoweiss crowd to love?"

      Lying apologists for Israel link to

    • JeffB "Wow you guys really work hard to make everything Israel’s fault"

      As of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) after having proclaimed the extent of its sovereignty "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947"link to Israel has worked hard to bring the situation about by refusing to withdraw Jewish forces from territories "outside the State of Israel" .."in Palestine" according to the Israeli Government link to Gradually expanding its illegally acquired gains at every opportunity link to ignoring hundreds of opportunities granted to adhere to the law by the UN in hundreds of UNSC resolutions reaffirming and emphasizing those laws link to

      "Sinai is discussed in excruciating detail the Palestinians barely at all"

      Yes. The Sinai is Egyptian. Not Palestinian.

      "Egypt understood the core of the treaty to be return of the Sinai in exchange for peace"

      Even you say the Sinai was Egyptian, tho you've got the deal backwards in typical Hasbara style. Read the Treaty link to In the treaty Israel agreed to withdraw BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed. i.e., withdraw for peace. Quite normal. P*ss off back to your own territories if you want peace. One would have to be rather moronic to think otherwise. Seems plenty of Israel's apologists do

    • @ biorabbi"I don’t thin the west gave a fuck about the murder of a million Rwandans, 200,000 Syrians, or 6 million Jews either. But Sheldon Adelson, Apartheid in Israel, that’s news."

      Uh huh

      Sheldon Adelson Apartheid Israel - link to
      About 773 THOUSAND results

      Jews holocaust - link to
      About 70+ MILLION results

      Syrian civil war - link to
      About 77+ MILLION results

      Rwanda 1994 - link to
      About 91 MILLION results

    • @ biorabbi ".. the Israeli haters also are not so pristine on the subject of President Carter. I seem to recall during the ‘arab spring’ ...."

      Search link to for "Arab" Results 1
      Search link to for "arab" Results 10

      Coming from someone who reveals themselves to be a dedicated 'a'rab hater... LOL

      The vile types illegal Israeli expansionism seems to attract is quite revealing

  • 'A Painful Price': The escalating war on Palestine solidarity at U of Michigan and beyond
    • @ Nurit Baytch " .. there’s disagreement about how to properly interpret article 11 of Res 194"

      Disagreement by one party only, a tiny minority. Predictably, you reflect the utter brain dead stupidity of their nonsense argument.

      " The Israeli position often emphasizes the fact that the resolution says: “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date…”"

      RoR is an individual right and in returning to Israel they'd be Israeli subjects!

      " the question of return hinged upon two factors: first, the restoration of peace, after which the Arabs would return to their homes in such conditions as would enable them to live at peace with their neighbours; in other words, not a truce or an armistice, but real peace between Arabs and Jews"

      People returning to Israel would be Israeli citizens. A peace treaty would be between their state, the State of Israel and states where they do not hold citizenship!

      The Israeli apologist rhetoric is moronic at best

    • @ JeffB "Israel is a democracy"

      Nothing about democracy in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. In fact, Israel has never had a legally elected Government, under a constitution

      "The Israeli-Arabis... " ... outnumbered by Jewish Arab Israelis link to

      "BDS could be engaging within the system rather than demonizing it"

      Prohibited under Israeli law link to

      "Palestinians certainly have tons of access at the highest levels to the Israeli government"

      Israelis do. Palestinians have no access what so ever.

    • ivri "Israel is what is at stake"

      Israel is not at stake. The non-Israeli territories the Jewish state has illegally acquired by war since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) and the non-Israeli territories the Jewish state wants to acquire are what's at stake. None of which are legally Israeli.

      The other thing at stake is the world waking up to the scam of poor defenseless Israel only trying to protect itself, which is total bullsh*t!

  • An open letter to J Street: Let's talk
    • BrianEsker "the PalArabs should simply sit down and work out borders and differences with the Israelis"

      Israel has never put a plan forward that does not include swapping non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so Israel can keep non-Israeli territory it illegally claims and has illegally populated.

      You're suggesting one should negotiate with the car thief how much the car thief should be allowed to steal. The answer, which seems to elude supporters of the car thief is of course, none. Especially as stealing is against the basic tenets of Judaism and on behalf of the Jewish state is completely at odds with Judaism

      " and stop looking like a lame protest movement just for once.

      How about Israel adhere to the law for once? It's never been tried.

  • MJ Rosenberg’s conundrum
    • Sibiriak My bad. I read it as "a de facto (in)dependent state"

    • @ Sibiriak "It is a de facto dependent state under blockcade by a foriegn power, Israel"

      Impossible. Gaza cannot stop Israeli incursions by land, sea or air. Doesn't control its borders, not even the buffer zone inside Gaza. Doesn't have final say in who or what can enter or exit by any crossing. It's airspace and territorial waters are controlled by Israel. It is far from a de facto 'independent' state. It's under occupation.

      " ... without the inclusion of Gaza, and that seems to be on no one’s agenda"

      You're mistaken. Israel isn't illegally claiming what it hasn't already illegally acquired by war in the Sth West corner link to

      So called 'negotiations' are over what Israel is now illegally claiming of the West Bank/Jerusalem. Read UNSC res 1860 and read Abbas at the UN. The 22% is post Israel's proclamation and INCLUDES Gaza, forgoing what Israel has already illegally acquired of the Sth Western territory allotted for the Arab state

      " if the WB is formally annexed to Israel, in whole or part, Gaza will still remain outside as a separate polity (dependent state or half state or whatever you want to call it)."

      Neither Gaza or the West Bank have seceded from Palestine. Neither the West Bank (including Jerusalem link to or Gaza have ever been legally separated from what remained of Palestine post Israel's proclamation of and recognition of its borders link to

      Either the West bank, incl Jerusalem, or Gaza would have to first secede from what remains of Palestine, which will require a referendum of the respective legitimate citizens of Gaza or the West Bank (incl Jerusalem) incl any citizens in the diaspora, incl refugee camps. Not including Israeli citizens illegally in those respective non-Israeli territories.

  • Tell Bill Gates to divest from Israeli occupation profiteer G4S
    • BrianEsker "G4S is highly diversified and operates in over 120 countries. Managing prisons is only one small part of their operations"

      And? So? What point are you trying to make?

      "And the Gates Foundation does very diverse work including funding polio vaccinations in 3rd world countries"

      It's rather incongruous that their investments include a company involved in the usurping of the Palestinians.

      "It’s so much of a stretch here to criticize Gates or G4S"

      You need a shrink pal.

  • Liberal schizophrenia and moral myopia: On Ari Shavit's 'My Promised Land'
    • JeffB "There is no palestinians state"

      Strange that the majority of the world have already recognized the State of Palestine and that it's already a non member observer state at the UN

      "These were with Jordan, Syria Lebanon and Egypt"

      Careful, you'll start eating your tail

    • JeffB "there were about 1.5m Jews that were going to freeze to death after the Holocaust had Israel not existed"

      1.5m Holocaust survivors settled in Israel?

    • @ JeffB "Israel has attempted 2 annexations"

      Unilateral annexation is illegal.

      "plus a few mutually agreed border changes"

      Swapping occupied Palestinian territory for occupied Palestinian territory so Israel can keep occupied Palestinian territory is not something over which there will ever likely be mutual agreement.

      "Lots of people here dispute the mutually agreed border changes even! "

      Indeed. See above

      "The annexations are rejected by the UN"

      Of course. Illegal annexation is against the law

      "people keep pretending the USA didn’t recognize them even the congress unambiguously did so by law"

      Cite the law.... thx

    • @ JeffB "One can look at the history of almost state in the world. They all went through some period of something similar and they aren’t today in a constant source of conflict"

      Maybe because they stopped colonizing. Israel continues to colonize by force of arms, outlawed long ago. It's not hard to figure why Israel might be rightfully hated.

      "Eventually one of the national claimants drops off or is unable to continue the struggle. The fight ends."

      The Palestinians haven't dropped off, the fight continues. Infuriated by Palestinian resolve, the Zionist Movement's Jewish state imposes collective punishment because the Palestinians claim their legal rights.

      Israel is one sick little puppy pal.

  • Both Sides: Anti-BDS concerns on campus vs. life in the occupied territories
    • @ JeffB"Those are examples of uncivil and impolite discussion"

      They're the norm against any criticism no matter how valid, of Israeli's illegal activities in non-Israeli territory.

      "On balance Israel has been treated with far more rudeness than politeness over its existence"

      Why should any one be polite to a rogue state still engaged in illegal activities in non-Israeli territory? Far more appropriate would be 'GO LIVE IN ISRAEL. F*CK OFF OUTTA PALESTINE YOU MORONS!'

      "If anything the historical record proves that rudeness hasn’t worked"

      Nothing tried has worked. Israel continues its crimes. Israel could withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territories for once, that has never been tried!

      "This is about UMich and other such campuses not about Israel"

      Were Israel not acting illegally in non-Israeli territories there wouldn't be any need for BDS against Israel. It wouldn't be an issue on campuses.

      "Campuses should have free and open discussion about the role of international law with a variety of theories presented including the UN’s."

      Indeed and rich benefactors shouldn't attempt to stifle those debates by withdrawing funding where they can, as they are now with BDS

      "I don’t think politics of any sort should be encouraged, colleges should promote academics not politics"

      International Law exists to control outrageously illegal political policies and the insane politicians who perpetuate them on behalf of rogue states. When International Law is stifled by a single veto vote at the UNSC bought by advocates of a Greater Israel, decent people will find other means, like BDS

      "However, it is OK for campuses to become unfriendly places for people who support the rule of law rudely"

      How about for people who're rude and not supportive of the rule of law? Why should anyone be polite to people who purposefully and rudely support criminal behaviour?

      ".. if Zionism were becoming disruptive to academic functions I think it would need to be civil as well"

      Like bombing educational institutions in Gaza is somehow civil and not disruptive? WOW!

      "So for example I think that stands of Zionism that reject the humanity of Palestinians, or grossly distort their behavior should be subject to civility restraints as well"

      Sheeeeesh you're gonna be busy. How about they simply get shot for being too close to their side of the security barrier, that should stop them from being uncivil.

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