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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel has illegally acquired more and more territory outside of it's actual proclaimed and recognized Sovereign boundaries and it encourages Israeli civilians to break laws that were adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. The Palestinians ask for their legal rights under the Laws all states are obliged to uphold. Israel demands more and more non-Israeli land. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)


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  • Debacle for the Israel lobby: Booker jilts Boteach, and Netanyahu sinks AIPAC
    • Iran reiterates the UNSC:

      Is there any difference in the essence of the following two statements?

      1) “Israel must end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem”

      2) “The occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the pages of time”

      Resolution 476 (1980) unanimously adopted by the Security Council at its 2242nd meeting on 30 June 1980

      The Security Council,

      Having considered the letter of 28 May 1980 from the representative of Pakistan, the current Chairman of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, as contained in document S/13966 of 28 May 1980,

      Reaffirming that acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible,

      Bearing in mind the specific status of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for protection and preservation of the unique spiritual and religious dimension of the Holy Places in the city,

      Reaffirming its resolutions relevant to the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, in particular resolutions 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980,

      Recalling the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949 relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War,

      Deploring the persistence of Israel, in changing the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure and the status of the Holy City of Jerusalem,

      Gravely concerned over the legislative steps initiated in the Israeli Knesset with the aim of changing the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem,

      1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      2. Strongly deplores the continued refusal of Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly;

      3. Reconfirms that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal validity and constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

      etc etc

  • BDS is here to stay: Message to a CT synagogue
  • Vicious 'NYT' article attacks Palestinian for bending rules to get out of Gaza 'to see her children'
    • @ affinity292 September 3, 2015, 3:15 pm

      "Palestinian terrorists have a long history of trying to use real or fake medical conditions to get through border security so as to commit terrorist atrocities inside Israel....."

      Example/source/statistics please... thx .... I'll wait

    • @ hophmi "The article is about how Palestinians can’t get enough permits to leave Gaza"

      Oh .... I see ....

      Say ..... Why should they have to seek a permit from Israel if Israel isn't their destination?

  • 'Turning point' -- Obama defeats Netanyahu and 'destroyers of hope' on Iran Deal!
    • @ DaBakr September 3, 2015, 9:23 pm

      Whatever keeps your bile dripping.

      The only opposition was from Israel, via its subsidiaries in the US arena.

      "what happened? "

      Thanks to the internet, people are beginning to wake up to the fact that the wholly holey Hasbara and what people like you have to say is bullsh*t

  • Pro-Israel Jews have 'inexcusable prejudice' against Obama -- Sandy Berger
    • @ yonah fredman "if you feel that vulgar jew hatred is not a major issue because jews are only killed for being jews in france and belgium and shot at in kansas city, then you are still nuts and full of bushwa"

      Jews are just as capable as any of humanity at being deservedly detestable rrrrrsouls, thieves, philanderers, pedophiles, bigamists, thugs, embezzlers, drug dealers, in fact the whole gamut of human stupidity, evil and insanity that might prompt their victims to give 'em a taste of what they deserve. But Jew hatred is apparently only because they're Jews. Interesting theory. Real interesting


      'nother interesting thing is, I feel no hatred from anyone except from other Jews and other idiots who support the usurping of the Palestinians, hate Muslims and who'll go to any lengths in their vain attempts to justify their stances

    • @ hophmi
      "... coddling, rather than antagonizing, is exactly the approach you would counsel for Iran, and it’s one defense of the Iran deal offered by the Administration, which argues that sanctioning the Iranians, far from leading to a diminishment of their nuclear capabilities, has only led them to further pursuit of nuclear protection"

      WOW!!! hophmi knows something no-one else knows. C'mon, spill the beans

  • Meet the teenage girls behind the viral photo from Nabi Saleh
    • When someone like Rachel Corrie or Ahed dares displays their bravery for a just cause against Israel's military might, Israel's pathetic apologists are sent into a venomous, hatefilled, spittle flecked, vein popping, bug eyed, out of control spin.

      Simply whispering "Rachel Corrie" is enough to send them apoplectic, casting all semblance of sanity and rationality they might have had aside. Apart from the spittle, I used to be a little concerned it might induce a well deserved heart attack :-)

      Now a days I simply carry a kerchief and have the emergency number at the top of my dial list. I've never had to dial it, makes me wonder what pumps their blood around.

    • @ DoubleStandard "Funny. They look whiter than most Israelis. A lot whiter, really"

      Yes. There's a lot of Arab blood in Israelis, even Jewish Israelis link to

      "Certainly upends the “evil white colonizer” versus “poor brown victim” paradigm"

      Two out of millions ... Uh huh

      "This must be disappointing to their many fans around the world!"

      To a moron who thinks two out of millions is significant

  • The 'Pallywood' smear: Viral images of Palestinian boy's brutalization brings backlash
    • @ hophmi September 2, 2015, 11:33 am

      " Kibbutz Nahal Or, which is very much part of Israel."

      By what agreement did territory not proclaimed as Israeli become Israeli? Date, signatories .... thx

      " And even if your nonsense was true, describing his death at the hands of a civilian-targeted rocket attack as “collateral” doesn’t pass the laugh test"

      1) It is impossible from the receiving end of an unguided armament to ascertain exactly who or what it was aimed at.
      2) If they didn't actually target civilians or Daniel Traegerman, he was unfortunately, collateral.

      "Mohammed’s alive today, and he was throwing stones"

      He has a right to be alive and a right to throw stones or even kill his occupiers.

      " Daniel wasn’t throwing anything at anybody, and he’s dead, the victim of a terrorist attack under international law"

      1) It's only terrorism if civilians were actually targeted. The IDF Memorial Site tells us that more Israeli military have been targeted, injured and killed than have Israeli civilians.
      2) He was illegally in territory never proclaimed as Israeli and never legally acquired by the State of Israel through any legitimate agreement

      Take your pathetic whining to the Zionist Federation and the Israeli Government who encourage Israeli civilians to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories.

    • @ hophmi .... "The parents have been sending them out to protest for years; some of these kids are as young as six. "

      link to

      You lying sack of Ziosh*te... The article says nothing about "sending them out"

      The NY Times is speculating. Men women children have a right to protest and a right to attack any armed individual from the Occupying Power in Occupied Territory.

      "by covering places like Nabi Saleh obsessively, you make it easier for barbaric people in Syria to murder hundreds of thousands"

      Please explain your weird theory ...

      "So it’s a choice. And it’s not free of bias. Clearly, Palestinian lives in the West Bank are worth more than Yazidi lives in Iraq or Syrian lives in Palmyra"

      Er .... they're not in Syria and they're civilians. Israel is committing crimes in non-Israeli territories against civilians they have no arms to go fight a war in Syria you stupid person

    • hophmi " The Palestinians are not a religion or an ethnic group. They’re a nationality."

      OK. Glad we got that sorted. You're gonna get a reduction in pay if you're not more careful

      "The equivalent term for the Israelis is hasbara..."

      OK . Hasbara is propaganda. Glad we got that sorted too. Another reduction in pay ... tch tch. (Say ... if you need a loan, just let me know)

      "The reality is that this is all political theater"

      Uh huh. So the Palestinians let the Zionist Federation of 1897 decide to colonize Palestine for some political theatre, allowed Israel to dispossess hundreds of thousands, Mohammed broke his arm to make some political theatre. That's dedication ...

      There are no Palestinian kids in Israeli jails, it's all an act. For political theatre. Right? I've a great script, it needs someone with a broken leg, I think you have just the attitude for the part. I have a baseball bat you can use

      " and that international activists do indeed encourage the kids not only to protest, but also to throw stones"

      Your evidence being .... what exactly

      " That’s the problem with international activists – they not only call attention to the conflict ... "

      It would be far far better if the world didn't know that Israel's IDF thugs protect illegal settlers and in many cases ARE illegal settlers and that they target children and peaceful protests

      "And they do it from a position of privilege; if this were the US Army at an Iraqi checkpoint in 2005, Mohammed Tamimi would be dead right now"

      Speculation can be fun. You can say anything

      The Tamimi family .."

      .. were all children under occupation.

      " The question is this: if Nabi Saleh wasn’t saturated with journalists, would these encounters happen? Probably not."

      Oh? The Zionist Federation of 1897 would not have decided to colonize Palestine? Israel would not have illegally acquired by war more than half of what remained of Palestine after Israel proclaimed its sovereign extent in order to be recognized? Israel would not have ethnically cleansed some 700,000 non-Jews? Israel wouldn't now be the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories? There'd be no illegal settlements .... Interesting theories you have

      "Why is Nabi Saleh saturated with journalists"

      Is the video footage and/or any of the photos actually from journalists?

      " when, right next door to the West Bank, hundreds of thousands of people are dying in the world’s bloodiest conflict?"

      It's being reported too ... my evidence being that YOU know about it.

      "You’re also fooling yourself if you think that this video is going to have some long shelf life; the last Ahed Tamimi viral video is barely remembered today."

      You wish

      " Most people understand that there is a conflict in the Middle East, and that, unfortunately, that conflict hurts children on both sides, whether they are Mohammed Tamimi, or Daniel Traegerman, who never threw a single stone, and was murdered by mortar shell fired from Gaza"

      Daniel Traegerman was in territory not declared as Israeli and never legally acquired by Israel.

      Daniel Traegerman wasn't occupied. His parents had no reason to endanger him by his being in non-Israeli territory. He wasn't specifically targeted, at worst he was collateral. Whereas Mohammed is amongst the hundreds of thousands of non-Jews who have been occupied all their lives and who have a right to attack their occupier. The video shows he was not collateral, but purposefully targeted by an idiot in an IDF uniform who couldn't handle the situation he got himself into

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  • U.S. is even more implicated in Israeli settlement project than we thought
    • @ hophmi August 31, 2015, 11:16 am
      "If Phil Weiss wanted to reduce the flow of young American orthodox Jews to Israel"

      Typical. Israel's apologist jerks never stop conflating, twisting, moving goal posts. They'll say anything rather than be honest.

      The illegal settlements aren't in Israel you stupid stupid person

  • Israeli minister says IDF should have fired on unarmed Palestinian protesters for humiliating a soldier
    • Problem. It's not what the whole article implies

      4th Paragraph "Regev said she wanted to change the army’s policy on the use of live-fire because of the “humiliation” the soldier endured."

      Try something else :-) .... thx

  • NY's Center for Jewish History to host Ayelet 'Little Snakes' Shaked in conversation with Bret 'Hiroshima' Stephens
    • @ Steve Grover "It’s a good thing I’m the only Jew that reads mondoweiss"

      A) "the only Jew" .... you're delusional

      B) I doubt you're a Jew. The basic tenets of our faith forbid lying. Your IP address has shown you to lie about your whereabouts. Because of your deceit, nothing you say has any much value unless it can be indisputably proven, which in this medium requires some form of verifiable documentation.

  • Minnesota Congresswoman demands accountability for Nakba Day killings
    • @ Jackdaw"performer" ?

      She lives there, has a right to be there and has a right to confront the occupying military. What excuse do the IDF have for being in the area?

  • On the Road to Tantura: Interview with Hala Gabriel
    • Jackdaw " How is it that there’s no mention in Hala’s article that 13 Jewish Alexandroni Brigade soldiers died in the battle for Tantura?"

      Tantura was in the hands of its rightful occupants. There was no battle 'for' Tantura, the villagers fought for their lives. The Alexandroni Brigade were belligerents who had no reason to attack the villagers other than to cleanse or murder them


      jon s deflects thread away from the main issue with a typical apologist for Israel tactic

      jon s then treads in a huge stinking propaganda turd, admitting the West Bank is not in Israel

    • jon s ?

      Mmmm..... No answer. jon s must have crawled back under that ol' rock

    • LOL .... OK. At last you've crawled out from under your the rock. So the West Bank and Gaza aren't in Israel. Glad we got that sorted!

      So why is Israel illegally building walls in non-Israeli territory? Most states build their defenses in their own territory.

    • @ jon s

      You've been living under a rock ?

      link to

  • Calling Herzog and liberal Zionism ‘racist,’ Gideon Levy instigates a reckoning
    • Another valiant attempt to justify the unjustifiable and continued usurping of non-Jews by Israel from non-Israeli territories.

      @ hophmi

      "... the truth is, Matthew, that you wouldn’t live in a state with an Arab majority either, particularly if that Arab majority was represented by a party dedicated to the murder of Jews. If I’ve said anything incorrect, Matthew, let me know by affirming that you would, in fact, live in an Arab majority state as a Jewish minority."

      Lemme see what you're trying to say. If Matthew was willing to live in an Arab majority state ( such as Israel was in 1950 link to ) then Israel would not be in breach of International Law, the UN Charter and GC IV.

      "In Europe today, people can’t seem to live with an Arab minority of 5 or 10 percent."

      But they are you stupid stupid person.

      " a few dozen refugees died in truck in Austria yesterday. We’ll see if that gets 1/10th the coverage Israel’s treatment of African refugees gets here"

      I don't believe Austria is in the Middle East. Maybe it was moved ?

      "In the United States, the Republican frontrunner speaks about expelling 11 million brown people from the United States, or about 3% of the US population"

      Nor is the US in the Middle East. Was it too moved ? AMAZING!!!!

    • DaBakr "... an Arab majority in Israel can do much in very little time to change the lives of every Jew living in their ancestral homeland"

      "Arab" ?? You surely mean 'non-Jewish'

      A) Israel is very likely already an Arab majority. It certainly was by 1950 link to

      B) There's no foreseeable possibility of a non-Jewish majority in the state of Israel. Even with the return of the non-Jewish Israeli citizens of 1948, who're now by far outnumbered by Jewish citizens in Israel today.

      C) Even if there were some far off demographic threat, that's the nature of democracy ... however, there's no mention of democracy in the Israel declaration of statehood

      "The state of Israel ... will be based on freedom, justice and peace>as envisaged by the prophets of Israel"

      As for "ancestral lands" Chinese/Japanese/German/Inuit/ converts do not have ancestral lands in Israel or Palestine. Australia Aboriginal converts do not have ancestral lands in Israel or Palestine. I doubt many if any foreign converts have "ancestral lands" in Israel or Palestine

  • One year later, Gaza is still in crisis
    • @ jon s

      In short you can't, because there is no destruction in Israel that warrants or justifies Israel not withdrawing from all non-Israeli territories or its military actions to those who oppose its illegal activities in non-Israeli territories

      "Of course the population of Gaza sustained much more casualties and far more extensive property damage than Israel and the causes of the imbalance are also well known"

      Indeed. Israel is by far the overwhelming power in the region. Given a free ticket to engage in its criminal activities outside of its borders thru carefully maintaining the US veto vote in the UNSC, without which it would become a failed state

      "But since when does the number of your casualties and the extent of the destruction on your side prove the justice of your cause? "

      There is no justice in Israel's cause. In fact there's no valid moral, legal or ethical reason for any of the crimes Israel has committed since proclaiming its borders effective 00:01 May 15th 1948.

    • I'm doing some research. Perhaps hophmi et al can point me to photos of something comparable suffered by Israelis at the hands of the Palestinians

  • Just as Dermer turned the White House into a diplomatic battlefield, Danon will do the same at the UN
    • Regev speaks a lingo more like Afrikaans than strine

    • @ johneill "yonah seems to be talking about Israel’s domestic politics, where good relations with the US is far more important than good relations with the rest of he world "

      Israel's relationship with the US is maintained in order to secure a UNSC veto vote, without which Israel would become a failed state

    • yonah fredman "The United Nations is inherently hostile territory to Israel at least since 1975"
      Bullsh*t! No other state has had so many opportunities afforded to it to comply with the law without there EVER being any UN consequences.
      No other state has had so many reminders of its legal obligations without there EVER being any UN consequences.
      No other state has ignored the law for more than half a century, lied at the UNSC for more than half a century without there EVER being any UN consequences.
      Israel has ignored its obligation to have respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.

  • How my return to Zimbabwe redoubled my enthusiasm for BDS in Israel/Palestine
  • Racism is part of the landscape in the southern Israeli town of Dimona (Updated)
  • Jimmy Carter says Netanyahu has turned his back on peace
  • 'There is no Jewish terror': Conspiracy theory that Palestinians committed Duma firebombing spreads among Israelis
  • 'NYT' gives new life to old propaganda -- Terror Tunnels from Gaza
  • A Tale of Two Beaches: Tel Aviv and Gaza
  • Does Obama have Booker? Boteach desperately plays race card and Jewish donor card
  • Saban says Iran Deal is a done deal, as Netanyahu and Bush play for 2016
    • 'tis

      I know small children who can tell the orange two are both orange and the lemon one is ... well ... a lemon

    • Mayhem "Firstly he accuses Netanyahu of interfering in US foreign policy over the Iran deal "

      Netanyahu = Israeli

      "and then he himself comes in to interfere in the landmark PA terror case ruling asking a US judge "

      US judge / US President.

  • In latest thrust at Obama, Netanyahu names UN ambassador who trashed him and said Palestinians can have 'Facebook state'
    • @ Steve Grover " That is exactly what she would do to Obama and Emanuel without hesitation and they would be crying to their mommies and making concessions"

      Speculation can be fun eh Steve ... you can say absolutely anything no matter how meaningless or puerile

    • @ piotr "Israeli diplomacy is still rather subtle, but they are quickly learning from North Korea"

      1) LOL ;-)
      2) Israel's 'subtle' diplomacy stems from 1897, it has a head start of more than half a century

    • @ echinococcus "There is a left in “Israel” and, just by chance, it happens to be part of the Common List, not Zionism.
      So where is the “center”?"

      There is no center in "you're with us or against us" societies. Nor can they be considered democracies.

  • AIPAC spending estimated $40 million to oppose Iran Deal
    • @ Neil Schipper "It is a deep, demonstrable truth that countries can do fine without a constitution, and, that countries can fail miserably with finely written high minded constitutions."

      Indeed. However, was a constitution promised those countries by their founders in order to have a Government elected, legally, under that promised constitution?

      "You, talknic, are now being accused (1) of knowing this very well (a compliment to your extensive knowledge of world affairs), and, (2) of using a crackpot argument to incite Israel hatred.

      Uh huh. Now there's hatred in the desire for a state to adhere to its ideals. Interesting theory

      "Taking (1) and (2) together constitutes ..." .. Ziopoop

    • @ Neil Schipper

      If you have a problem with the fact that a constitution was guaranteed by the Zionist Movement, I suggest you take it up with them

    • @ Les "Soon we will be able to see which country’s constitution members of the US Congress will vote to uphold"

      Indeed. One of those countries has yet to write its constitution under which a government can be legally elected for the first time in its short belligerent history. link to

      I wonder how many Israelis know they've never had a legally elected Government? I wonder how many Israelis have actually read the Declaration of statehood?

  • Can Holocaust compensation agreements be a model for Nakba reparations?
    • @ amigo

      ;-) No hay problema

    • @ amigo "The land was empty.Just ask Mark Twain ... "

      Don't rely on putrid Ziocherries

      Twain said far more and he was preceded by earlier writers who're NEVER cited by Israel's idiotic apologists link to

      Bayard Taylor : Jezreel Valley in 1852 “one of the richest districts in the world”

      Laurence Oliphant : 1887, again of the Valley of Jezreel “…was ‘a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive’ “

    • Interesting article but only the half of it

      Property and or real estate is a different matter from territory. Add to the bill the illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territory, over half a century of Israel illegally exploiting the resources in that territory.

      We might also factor in class actions by hundreds of thousands of Israelis for having been duped by the State of Israel for more than half a century

      I've been saying for a long time now, Israel has never been able and is certainly not able now to afford to adhere to the laws it first broke by having Jewish forces in territories outside the State of Israel at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) when Israel's borders were proclaimed effective.

      That's the cause and the fear and the driving force behind Israel's desperate need to maintain a UNSC veto vote, without which it would become dismal, bankrupt and failed state, scorned even by its own citizens who'd rightly want to dis-associate.

      Zionists and everything they stand for would become the laughing stock and just as Holocaust denial is illegal, so too would Nakba denial. Egg will meet face in one almighty splatter and it will be incredibly difficult to separate Judaism and Jews from the ensuing Zionist created mess

    • @ arobertsccl "Israel has been preparing to counter any claims for compensation with the costs GOI incurred resettling the Jews from Arab lands."

      It's nonsense.

      A) The Palestinians didn't dispossess anyone from any Arab state

      B) It's quite normal for countries at war to intern or expel possible allies of their enemies and to freeze their assets. It's also quite normal to release or allow their return after hostilities have ceased, unless of course they have taken up citizenship in a country other than the country of return

      C) Israeli emergency law of 1948 still forbids Israeli citizens and residents from entering the territory of states Israel considers hostile

      D) Israeli citizens are not refugees

    • @ hophmi "Any compensation that the Palestinians get will be from an international fund, not from Israel."

      Uh huh. Like the International community pays German reparations?

      " Maybe they can ask their rich Arab brethren, who’ve allowed them to languish in refugee camps for 67 years, for compensation"

      Ziodrivel is amusing. The Arab states have generously hosted the dispossessed for more than half a century without negating their Right of Return.

      Israel relied on UNRWA until 1952 to take care of Jewish Arabs languishing in Israeli camps before their RoR was stripped from them by taking Israeli citizenship.

    • @ hophmi "Hey German Lefty! Maybe you should move to Iran. They’re the only ones who refer to Israel as the “Zionist regime.”

      Israel is a country. A regime is not a country. The Zionist regime in Jerusalem is not even in Israel.

      Seems the UNSC

      “Israel must end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem” link to

      agrees in essence with Iran

      “The occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the pages of time

      BTW Keep up th' good work

  • Israeli Banks flipping out over looming European boycott
    • @ Mikhael "The Hamas Covenant explicitly declares that there can be no resolution of the conflict through conferences or any form of mediation,"

      Proven to be true. Israel has ignored every opportunity offered by the UNSC to adhere to the binding Laws and UN Charter reaffirmed and emphasized in numerous UNSC resolutions.

      "It’s all there for you to read"

      Including Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      Mikhael August 19, 2015, 6:45 am

      //Many Palestinian artists who object to their occupation allowed to perform in Israel?//

      " Of course, if when you refer to “Palestinian performers” you mean the Arab citizens of Israel, some of whom have recently started identifying themselves as “Palestinians” then it should ..."

      A) Israel isn't occupied. B) There are far more Jewish Arab citizens of Israel than you'll ever dare admit

      By 1950 the population of Israel was estimated to be about 1,370,000
      There were approximately 156,000 non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were not dispossessed from within the borders of the territory proclaimed by the Israeli Government and recognized as Israeli on the 15th May 1948 and; there were some 500,000 Arab Jewish refugees from the Arab states
      That’s approximately 656,000 Arabs of a population of about 1,370,000. Which is about 47%. Not yet including the non-Jewish Israeli Arabs who were dispossessed by 1950 and not yet including the indigenous Arab Jews.
      Simple maths shows us the Arab population of Israel in 1948 was well in excess of 50%. A large number of Israeli Jews today are of Arabic descent. Arab DNA is deeply and inescapably embedded in the Israeli population

      @ Mikhael August 25, 2015, 5:09 am

      "Well, disregarding the fact that it is a nonsensical question, because it assumes that there are Palestinian Arabs who are occupied by Israel"

      UNSC res 476 " Israel, the Occupying Power" one of hundreds of UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of its legal obligations and affording Israel the opportunity to adhere to the binding Laws and UN Charter those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize

      "Assuming that a Palestinian Arab resident of the PA in the West Bank is also an “artist” (e.g., a musician), and can be proven to not be a security threat, and is amenable to performing in Israel and has a valid work permit to do so, there is no legal bar on such a person performing"

      Care to simply answer the question without great wads of Ziopoop ... thx

      "Citizens of Israel who are comfortable referring to themselves as or being referred to as “Palestinian-Israelis”..... etc etc "

      Israel is not occupied

      "Per the 1949 Armistice Agreements, and through the a Special Committee, the Jordanians and the Israelis were supposed to facilitate “free access for the holy places”. "

      A) Only for people already within their respective areas. "Article IV 3. Rules and regulations of the armed forces of the Parties, which prohibit civilians from crossing the fighting lines or entering the area between the lines, shall remain in effect after the signing of this Agreement with application to the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI."

      B)Article VIII 3. The Special Committee shall have exclusive competence over such matters as may be referred to it. Agreed plans and arrangements formulated by it may provide for the exercise of supervisory functions by the Mixed Armistice Commission established in article XI.

      "The Jordanians simply did not extend this courtesy, as they were supposed to do under the terms of the Armistice, to Jewish citizens of Israel "

      On what date was the request referred to the Special Committee for Israeli Jews ?

    • @ Mikhael "Since when can subjects of enemy regimes freely enter and travel through the territory of a state that their government is at war with; whatever their political opinions? Things don’t work that way in any conflict between governments as a general rule

      Correct and a good point. It's quite normal between entities a war to either intern or expel possible allies of their enemies and to freeze their assets. Israeli military law from 1948 til the present forbids Israeli citizens or residents from entering enemy territory. IOW Israel prevented Israelis from worshiping in Jordanian controlled territory for 19 years. Naturally Jordan reciprocated. Quite normal. Why do Israeli propagandists make such a big fuss over normal war time relationships?

    • Mikhael August 19, 2015, 6:45 am

      Lemme ask again. See if you can give a straight answer, sans the Ziopoop ... Many Palestinian artists who object to their occupation allowed to perform in Israel?

      Try not to change the question I've asked... thx

      Israel is NOT Occupied. Emil Habiby was an Israeli. Mohammed Bakri, Israeli. Nurman Issa, Israeli. Makram Khoury, Israeli

    • @ Mikhael August 19, 2015, 6:45 am

      Lemme ask again ... Many Palestinian artists who object to their occupation allowed to perform in Israel?

    • @ jon s "The notion that artists should be allowed to perform only if they conform to a specific political position...

      Many Palestinian artists who object to their occupation allowed to perform in Israel?

    • Just a performer who, unless he says otherwise, apparently condones illegal occupation, illegal annexation, illegal settlements. Has nothing to do with being Jewish.

  • The enemies list
  • It's not bigoted to call out the Israel lobby over Iran Deal
    • The Jewish State also recognizes Jews other than by religion. According to poor hophmi's weird theory the State of Israel is Anti-semitic. AMAZING!!!

      hophmi " his argument is ridiculous. There are many people who would define themselves as Christian who may not believe in all of the tenets of Christianity or all of the dictates of their particular Church."

      My argument? Strange I didn't use your word, "all"! Making a false assertion to make point in defense of a false accusation seems to be standard Israeli apologist MO

    • @ RoHa The Lateran Treaty established it as an independent state. However it seems once one's appointment expires, folk're no longer citizens, reverting to their original Nationality. I can't find anything comparable in any other 'nation'

    • @ hophmi "You guys continue to defend anti Jewish bigotry"

      Unsupported accusations are worthless hophmi.. Put your evidence up

    • The Vatican is not a nation hophmi.

      Lay off the stupid juice

    • @ hophmi One can be Jewish without believing in Judaism One can be an Arab Jew, an American Jew, an atheist Jew, a Chinese Jew. The same cannot be said of Christians. One simply cannot be a Christian and not believe in Christianity.

      Go moan to the Jewish Agency, JTA et al

  • Shocker: 'NYT' runs front page press release for AIPAC warning Obama to cool his jets
    • Steve Grover "If I’ve spent more than 20 minutes on MW while here that would be a lot"

      To busy catching flights back home to use your computer to post here ... then another flight back to your holiday ... back to the computer, back to holidays ... what an on the go guy , what dedication !

    • Oh Annie how could you. Steve wuz hav'n so much fun

  • Iran Deal Latest: AIPAC lies and, in a first, Schumer runs from the cameras
    • Propagandists for Israel never tire

      " and except for their hatred of israel which i oppose and which others here favor "

      Attempting to have Israel abide by the law is not hatred

  • Defying Obama on Iran deal, Schumer cites Hamas
    • @ hophmi

      Odd you don't cite any actual evidence for your claims

      As for the notion Iran supplies Hamas with weapons.... is there a home made rocket factory in Iran? WOW!!!!! I wonder if they know

  • The day after 9/11, Kagan father-son duo said 'take the war' to Palestine
    • @ W.Jones

      "Second, video footage was put out of Palestinians allegedly celebrating 911 in the streets"

      There was nothing in the video visually or sound other than the reporter telling us what to believe ...

  • Obama tells Americans it is 'abrogation of my constitutional duty' to defer to Israel on Iran Deal
  • Sanders risks losing left over unprogressive views of Palestine -- Washington Post
    • @ Steve Grover ///Blah asks:
      “Why don’t these people EVER talk about Palestinian security.”///

      "They forfeited it when Arafat walked from the deal, when the 2 intifadas happened and when over 10,000 missiles were launched from Gaza and the construction of terror tunnels were built in Gaza. "

      You talk sh*te so fluently... The Occupying Power has a duty to protect the occupied and their property and their territory as long as they remain the Occupying Power.

      Arafat ha a legal right ti completely ignore any deal that did not give the Palestinians their full legal rights according to the Laws and UN Charter Israel agreed to uphold.

      The intifadas occurred as a response to Israeli provocation

      The IDF Memorial site tells us more military have been targeted, injured and killed by rocket from Gaza than have Israeli civilian

      There have only been military operations arising from the tunnels, no terror incidents

      Score NIL ... BTW comments have a time stamp ... holidays over already?

  • The two-state pipedream: Israel will move 100s of 1000s of settlers
    • @ hophmi

      Your inability to accept factual information is predictable. Nothing must be allowed to stop the flow of your precious Ziopoop

    • hophmi "No, because Israel has done this before, in 1982, when it removed settlers from Sinai, and during Disengagement in 2006. Neither event resulted in bloodshed"

      A) AFTER Israel withdrew ENTIRELY from all territory sovereign to Egypt, were peaceful relations assumed, not before. Read the AGREEment

      B) Count the Palestinian bodies since. It enabled Israel to unbridle it's human slaughtering machinery in Gaza anywhere, at any time on whoever and however without regard for illegal Israeli settlers.

      "When you make silly assumptions, you end up with silly arguments. Though settler violence is a serious problem, it remains the province of a tiny fringe of the settler community, most of which is not ideological... etc etc etc ... "

      They were helped get where they are supported and even encouraged by the ELECTED ISRAELI GOVERNMENT and its military, who as an Occupying Military Power, have a duty to protect ALL civilians. That means especially the Occupied, because Israeli civilians are not supposed to even be in Occupied Territories

      "The one state solution, which would repeat, yet again, the mistake of placing two peoples who don’t like each other in the same political entity, continues to be a bad idea (utopian is a misnomer; it’s better described as offensively stupid).."</em.

      A Greater Israel... "offensively stupid" indeed

      "The one state solution is not utopian in nature, actually. It is the most colonial of colonial ideas."

      Indeed ... link to

      "And perhaps the reason offensively stupid ideas like these come from the West is ...etc etc ..."

      The Zionist Federation/Herzl were from ... ?

      The rest of your post has no valid, moral or legal reason why the Palestinians should not be afforded their legal rights according to the laws Israel obliged itself to uphold as a state and as a UN Member state (declared, recognized and accepted into the UN while at war with Jewish forces in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" . Territories it has never annexed or acquired by any legal meanst, from which it has never withdrawn and in which it has purposefully and illegally settled Israeli citizens

    • yonah fredman "When I offered the first step as an annexation of the west bank by Israel,"

      Why shouldn't Palestine annex Israel?

  • Understanding the Partition plan
    • @ Hostage I'm outta here for a while. Thanks for your enlightening posts, I shall plod on.

    • @ Hostage "In reality, Jews neither owned, inhabited, nor effectively controlled 60 percent of the territory of their new “state”..."

      Brings us another point. As I understand it ownership of land is 'real estate' not 'territory'. E.g., Japanese and Chinese companies and individuals own land in Australia, they have no territorial rights what so ever. Territory belongs to its legal inhabitants whether they own/rent/lease real estate or live under a bridge. It is therefore not necessary for Palestinians provide title deeds to real estate in order to prove a Right of Return to non-Israeli territories or for dispossessed non-Jewish Israelis to return to Israel.

      MORE LIES: From the Israeli Land Fund:

      The State of Israel today was built on land which was legally purchased by Jewish organizations such as the Jewish National Fund (JNF) and other private individuals.”

      As always, the Hasbara has a gaping big hole. The Jewish National Fund trips up on its own lies. The JNF also says:

      “These are not State lands

    • Sibiriak "How was it, then, that Israel’s acquisition of territory by military force during 1947-8 could ever be recognized as Israeli territory under international law, rather than as occupied Palestinian territory, as has been territory taken by Israel in 1967?"

      1. It has been illegal to recognize territory acquired by war or any coercive measure since at least 1933 ARTICLE 11 Adopted into theUN Charter 1945 Article 2. 4)

      2. As I understand it the UN cannot censure non-members or retrospectively censure Members for their actions prior to membership . It can only tell Members how they may or may not treat non-members. It was illegal to recognize Israel's acquisition by force of territories prior to UN Membership (see 1. )

      "Over time, an international political and legal consensus was solidified wherein the Green Line was to become the basis for final boundaries via negotiation, with mutually agreed adjustments. "

      It has yet to be agreed.

      ".... under the auspices of its Chapter VII powers and directed the parties concerned to apply and observe the armistice agreements pending a final negotiated settlement

    • @ Hostage OK. I understand because I'm willing to spend the time to read thru

      However, my purpose is to show in as few words as possible thru official Jewish Agency and/or Israeli Government statements and claims that they are inveterate liars who cannot be trusted.

      So if one meets the argument that Israel didn't declare any borders one only needs to point to the official Israeli Government statement May 22nd 1948 and/or 31st Aug 1949. Quite clearly Israel was aware at the time of its own territorial extent.

      In respect to 'rebuffed' Their claim was certainly not recognized.

    • @ Sibiriak Not mentioning borders only means they weren't mentioned. It doesn't mean they didn't exist.

      No need to cite Flapan either, correct tho it may be .... because from the horse's mouth link to

      It's bizarre that Hasbaristas even offer Ben-Gurion's stance as evidence of why Israel didn't mention borders in the declaration. It's a blatant attempt to deceive!

      How could Israel have determined who owed the state taxes etc etc etc etc etc .... etc? Fact is, they couldn't. That's why defined territories are a requirement of statehood

      So their argument is nonsense. Furthermore in its statement to the UNSC 22nd May 1948 the Israeli Government said it had military control over territories "outside the State of Israel" so they must have known the extent of Israeli territories!

      I reiterate, it is far more effective to show via a few simple official statements by the Jewish Agency and successive Israeli Governments that they are liars than it is to present copious legal arguments which the layman must labour thru.

    • @ David Gerald Fincham "SHOULD, not MUST"

      Without defined territory it is impossible to ascertain who pays taxes, which people belong to which entity, where one's citizens may settle, if a state has been invaded or not ... etc etc etc ..

      "There must be many cases when states have been recognized when they still have border disputes with neighbors"

      They have border disputes because they claim to HAVE borders.

    • @ DGF Not mentioning borders in the declaration only meant they weren't mentioned. They are a pre-requisite for statehood

      "ARTICLE 1 The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory"

      No borders for Israel, but demanded of Palestine .. link to

      Far easier to point to the holes in the Israeli arguments than to go thru page upon page of legalese

    • It appears the same plea was issued to all states

      Certainly to Russia and Australia and I dare say every other state...

      Russia 17 May 1948

      Letter from Mr. Molotov stated: “Confirming receipt of your telegram of May 16, in which you inform the Government of the USSR of the proclamation, on the basis of the resolution of the United Nations Assembly of November 29, 1947, of the creation in Palestine of the independent State of Israel and make re-quest for the recognition of the State of Israel and its provisional government by the USSR. I inform yon in this letter that the Govern-ment of the USSR has decided to recognize officially the Stale of Israel and its Provisional Government.”

      Australia 28 January 1949 “… on the basis of the resolution of the United Nations Assembly of November 29, 1947…”

      New Zealand 29 January 1949 “It is the understanding of the New Zealand Government that the settlement of boundaries and other outstanding questions will be effected in accordance with the resolution of the General Assembly of the United Nations of 11 December 1948.”

    • @ Hostage .... Again understood

      My point in mentioning the plea for recognition is not to validate Israel's claim but to demonstrate the deceit involved by the Jewish Agency et al

    • @ Hostage August 11, 2015, 8:47 pm ... Understood. However the layman isn't going to wade thru the example

      I believe the shorter, simpler and far more effective path to giving the layman a handle on the situation is to show the Jewish Agency, Zionist Movement, Jewish People's Council, subsequent successive Israeli Governments, Zionist organizations and their apologists were and still are lying.

      For example. The Grief/ Stone nonsense on the LoN Mandate for Palestine. Can be easily dismissed by pointing the layman to Article 7 of the mandate. No Zionist apologist has a come back.

      Same for the Israel didn't proclaim any borders BS. The Israeli Govt plea for recognition has no come back

    • Putting the legal arguments into easily understood layman's terms is nigh impossible. Zionistas have done their utmost to muddy the waters beyond recognition with all manner of deceitful tactics. E.g., link to

      By far easier to show through just a few easily to read and irrefutable official documents that the Jewish Agency are inveterate liars and successive Israeli Governments and Zionist organizations carry on that vile tradition to this very day. Once the seeds of doubt as to their integrity have been sown, like buying a VW, one begins to see their lies in almost everything they say.

      -------------- having said as much :-) ---------

      Surely there's a place for persistent objection amongst all of this

    • Further to "The Assembly can only make a recommendation to Member States"

      Relevant International Law, Conventions and/or the UN Charter re-affirmed or emphasized in a resolution or anywhere they appear, are by their very nature binding.

      The UN/UNSC/UNHCR/UNHRC/et al have recommended and afforded Israel hundreds of opportunities to fulfill the binding legal requirements of statehood, conventions Israel has ratified and UN Membership voluntarily undertaken by that state. Israel ridiculously claims the hundreds of reminders of its unfulfilled legal obligations as UN bias.

      Chapt VI resolutions : The US abstains from voting on UN/UNSC/et al resolutions re Israel re-affirming or emphasizing pre-determined/existing International Law, Conventions and/or the UN Charter. UN Member states cannot vote against or veto pre-determined/existing International law, conventions and/or the UN Charter.

      Chapt VII resolutions : Can be abstained from or voted against or vetoed (by one of the major powers) because unlike the Law, Convention, UN Charter which have already been adopted and accepted by all UN Members, actions are not pre-determined nor do they exist until after such resolutions have been adopted.

    • @ hophmi "The best solution remains the two state solution:"

      Impossible while Israel remains in military control of any Palestinian territory. A state cannot declare independence whilst under occupation. There is no actual legal, moral or logical reason why Israel cannot withdraw from all non-Israeli territories immediately, as required by law!

    • @ hophmi "Israel’s security problems predate any occupation"

      You talk bullsh*t soooo well. Professional?

      Jewish forces under plan Dalet BEFORE Israel's borders were proclaimed were occupying territory not slated for the Jewish State.

      On 22nd May 1948 the Israeli Government claimed Israeli forces were in military control (occupied) territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"!

      3 Jun 1948 in the Knesset

      Report to the Provisional Government of Israel by Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Ben-Gurion 3 Jun 1948

      "The entire expanse of the State of Israel allocated to us under the terms of the UN resolution is in our hands, and we have conquered several important districts outside those boundaries".
      "To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State".

      " Arabs do not accept the idea of Jewish sovereignty in their part of the world"

      Read the 2005 Arab peace proposal

      That you continue to peddle nonsense is highly amusing

    • hophmi "It’s the Palestinians that have to accept Israel’s right to exist"

      Care to cite the Law ... thx

      Numerous UN Member states do not recognize each other. What IS required is "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" something Israel regularly fails to do.

      BTW who did Israel recognize before gaining recognition itself?

      " Israel has negotiated for many years, and indicated a willingness to make a deal many times."

      Israel is required to adhere to the law. The Palestinians are not required to forgo ANY of their legal rights, deal or no deal. Swapping non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so Israel can keep non-Israeli territory has no legal basis. It's not a deal anyone in their right mind would accept, nor is it a deal anyone in their right mind would offer

      "It’s the Palestinians who have routinely walked away from the table, largely because they can’t countenance Jewish sovereignty in the Middle East."

      Strange, the Palestinians before the world at the UN offered 78%
      of their rightful territories for peace. Israel's response was to build more illegal settlements.

      Your arguments have absolutely no merit.

    • Re - Wikipedia and the Mufti

      link to

      Wikipedia is third hand opinion

    • @ David
      "On the question of Jews and Arabs, it is not a matter of DNA, but of identity. it has always been the case that Jewish Palestinians attached more significance to their Jewishness than to the fact that they spoke a version of the local language. "

      DNA is an inescapable reality. Rhetoric about a more significant attachment can be altered at whim.

      "Rabbi Silver’s remarks are pure hasbara. He is trying to create the impression that Israel’s unilateral Declaration immediately at the end of the Mandate, completely outside the process described in the Plan, was somehow authorized by the Plan."

      Hasbara they may be, never the less spoken by the Jewish Agency. It shows just how deceitful the Zionistas have been.

      " Mr. Johnson is talking complete nonsense when he says that the undertaking to enter the Economic Union might be signed by only one party. A treaty of union signed by only one party is not a union at all. "

      1st the states need to exist, only then could a treaty to Economic Union be signed. I re-iterate, "independence" by its very nature is entirely unilateral.

      Of interest to readers the British stance on partition link to

    • @ DaBakr "your naive if you think there is one particular “truth” in the ME and in regards to Israel/Palestine and Jerusalem-especially. etc etc etc etc"

      But there are truths. They're recorded verbatim in the UNSC and other indisputable archives.

      Is it not true that the Jewish Agency said they considered UNGA res 181 as "binding"?
      link to

      If yes, then it is also true that successive Israeli Governments have been lying about UNGA being non-binding

      Is it not true that the Israeli Government proclaimed Israel's extent? link to

      If yes, then it is also true that successive Israeli Governments have been lying about Israel not having proclaimed any borders

      Is it not true that under International Law territories held under military control are "occupied"? link to

      Is it not true that Israel claimed that it controlled all Israeli territories and held under military control territories "outside the State of Israel"..."in Palestine"? link to (follow the links provided there)

      If yes, then it is also true that successive Israeli Governments have been lying about occupation since 1948

      Is it not true that Israel was recognized AND accepted into the UN whilst at war in territories "outside the State of Israel"..."in Palestine"?

      If yes, then it is also true that successive Israeli Governments, by the example of Israel itself, have had no legal cause to deny Palestinian statehood

    • Nice one.

      A couple of points

      1) one cannot separate Jews and Arabs so easily //the Jewish population within the area of the Jewish State was 498k (k=1000), the Arab population (including Bedouin) 497k, giving a total of 995k. In the Arab State there were 10k Jews and 725k Arabs, giving a total of 735k. //

      Many Jews were Arab. Jewish and non-Jewish is far more accurate. ( If we consider the Arab Jews from the Arab states it becomes even more apparent that today, a large portion of Israeli Jews carry Arab DNA link to )

      2) //There are two possible points of confusion in the wording of this paragraph. When it talks of the “independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State” it may suggest the possibility that only one State might become independent. But this is not “as envisaged in this Plan”. The word ‘either’ implies only that the achievements of independence by the two States are independent events, and not coordinated in time.//

      Independence is entirely unilateral. There was no provision for co-signing. One of the few truths uttered by the Jewish Agency prior to declaration

      Friday, 19 March 1948 Rabbi Silver replacing Mr. Shertok at the Council table as representative of the Jewish Agency for Palestine stated:

      "The setting up of one State was not made conditional upon the setting up of the other State.”

      And again Security Council S/PV.271 19 March 1948 The representative of the Jewish Agency, Rabbi Silver:

      “ The setting up of one State was not made conditional upon the setting up of the other State. Mr. Herschel Johnson, representing the United States delegation, speaking in a sub-committee of the Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question on 28 October 1947, stated, in discussing this very matter in connexion with economic union: “The element of mutuality would not necessarily be a factor, as the document might be signed by one party only.”

      It seems the LoN Mandate was as close as it ever got to a just solution. One state, equality for all.

  • Palestinian teen killed at checkpoint during clashes following settler attack
  • US gov't has 'faith in the system' that Israel will prosecute killers of Palestinian child-- why?
  • The extremism of the center in Israel
    • It's an Armistice Demarcation Line, not Gaza's Northern border.

    • @ ivri "Such far-reaching conclusions from of two relatively minor events?"

      Two of many .... and minor to you no doubt.

      "It clearly transpires that the writer is yet another subscriber to thoroughly anti-Israel attitudes in some quarters in Europe, which by that continue a historical tradition where somehow the Jews are always at fault"

      When Jews ARE at fault we should be silent? Does the same apply to Germany and the Nazis?

      "Be it in religious terms (brought to an extreme 5 centuries ago in the country where the writer now lives), in national loyalty terms (“dual loyalty”, Dreyfus), power ambitions (“the elders of Zion), financial greed (Shylock), morality (the blood libel), morality (the blood libel) or as an ethnic group at large (Nazism) and now, yet again, as a sovereign nation."

      Didn't happen decades ago, it happened this last week and it was perpetuated by Israelis illegally in non-Israeli territory.

      "This time around however, with Europe past its world dominance"

      " dominance"? Germany was one country in Europe ..

      Did you have something to say?

    • jon s " Shira Banki, has died of her wounds."

      RIP. Alas there can be no justice for the dead, only the prevention of it ever happening again.

      One wonders just how many innocent Palestinians in Gaza have died of their wounds since the initial reports of Israel's slaughterfests

  • Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists dance the hora and prepare for end times in Washington DC
    • @ Mooser "Went around flailing a guitar and asking girls to “light my fire, light my fire”. Doesn’t work, not for me, anyway"

      Maybe a one-pak ab was off putting

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