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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel illegally acquired more and more land outside of it's actual Sovereign boundaries. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, hate snail mail. I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)

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  • 9 Reasons why Israel is under rocket attack 
    • @ ezra greenberg Watching you wade thru the tired Israeli propaganda bullsh*t I can't help but feel a little sorry for you and your kind. Do they teach you how to be stupid?

      "Any honest person would have to answer “yes” to this question. "

      No an honest person would ask why are they firing rockets at the Occupying Power 66 years after Israel illegally acquired by war more than 50% of the territory that remained of Palestine after Israel was declared independent of Palestine.

      "In other words, it is HAMAS who is driving the conflict"

      Odd Hamas didn't exist in 1948 when Jewish forces were busy dispossessing non-Jews from territory the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT said were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Hamas didn't exist in 1966 when Israel attacked, starting what led to the '67 war

      Hamas are a response to Israeli aggression that preceded 1987 and the founding of Hamas.

      "They don’t care about their people at all"

      LOL. You're really quite stupid. Hamas ARE PALESTININANS. They are their people.

      they want them to be killed, particularly the women and children, whose lifeless bodies make wonderful photo ops"

      They'd have their brothers, sisters, children killed for a photo op? Say have you ever thought of seeing a shrink?

      "Place the blame where it belongs .... Hamas"

      Hamas (1987) are a response to almost a hundred years of Zionist colonization (from (1897).

      Israel could get out of ALL non-Israeli territories, take its putrid illegal settlers and go live in Israel. It has never been tried. Since May 15th 1948 there have ALWAYS been Israeli troops in other folk's territory.

      The ugly truth is that the State of Israel has never been able to afford the rightful compensation of those it has dispossessed. Now 66 years later its illegal facts on the ground are so vast, to adhere to the law the costs would be so astronomical, it would mean a completely failed bankrupt state.

      You're bitching at the wrong people. Take your pathetic whinging and moaning to the Zionist Federation who decided they'd like to colonize Palestine in 1897 and successive Israeli Governments who have PURPOSEFULLY placed Israeli civilians in danger by A) Illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory by war B) purposefully encouraging Israeli Jews to illegally settle in non-Israeli territory, C) breaking the GC's which were adopted to protect ALL civilians (including those of the Occupying Power) from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people.

  • Palestinians build tunnel to attack Israeli kindergarten, Netanyahu says
    • Something isn't making sense.

      A) Only now Israel discovers these tunnels? Yet they are alleged to intrude into the Israeli side of the Armistice demarcation line and would have been easily discovered using technology available years ago.

      B) If they actually exist at all, (we're seeing very few photos, just a lot of repeats Hasbara style), they could just as easily have been built by Israel headed in the opposite direction. In fact far easier for Israel to have built them, less likely to be discovered by the Palestinians and serve Israel far more purposes.

      C) Were they built to attack Israel, they'd only be used once before being discovered and the chances of being discovered once under the Israeli side of the Armistice Demarcation Line would escalated ex potentially before there'd be a chance to use them.

      It doesn't add up that the Palestinians would invest that much for such a limited, if any, result at all.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce
    • @ JeffB If you really wanted to know about human rights, you'd have looked for yourself and you wouldn't be asking such idiotic questions.

    • @ wes "No peace unti gaza dimilitarized"

      Gaza has a legal right to be militarized and a legal right to attack the Occupying Power over any Palestinian territory.

      Israel has no legal right to illegally acquire ANY territory by war, illegally annex any territory, illegally settle any territory. Israel has no legal right to demand recognition, no legal right to demand other folks territory for its defense, no legal right to have more defensible borders than its neighbours. No legal right to demand the Palestinians be demilitarized.

      Why should Israel expect peace if it refuses to withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territory, taking its illegal settlers when it goes, as required by law.

    • @ JeffB " Wanting to create a Greater Israel on the West Bank is different than wanting to have a long term truce with Gaza. The two aren’t connected issues

      UNSC res 1860 says otherwise ... ever dared to read it?

    • @ Jon66 "And that definition is?"

      Were you actually interested you'd have looked for yourself. As you're too stupid or helpless I guess we'll just have to show EVERYONE who's reading, which isn't gonna help your argument at all.

      Let's start where the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT admits it has borders and occupies territories "outside the State of Israel"

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestineoutside the territory of the State of Israel"

      “international regulations” at the time say;

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      Every time you flap your ill informed ignorant yap you afford the opportunity to show honestly interested folk factual, irrefutable and incriminating information. Keep up the good work!

    • @ JeffB "The first thing a host is going to ask is, “Really? You are prepared to fully renounce right of return?”

      Why you stupid stupid person? The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel gave them the right to Israeli citizenship.

      "And of course in the specific case of Gaza the occupation did end "

      So how come Israel can make a military incursion whenever it likes? How come Israel can control Palestinian territorial waters and airspace? Why can Israel demand Egypt close the Gaza Egypt border? These things are only permissible to an occupying power.

      "What started this last round of fighting was" .. is Israel's refusal to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter for 66 years.

    • @ Jon66 "Defining the “occupation” is one of the key problems"

      Officially the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT had no trouble in 1948. Two instances
      1) May 22nd 1948 ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"
      "areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard
      International regulations said and still say Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      2) Aug 12th 1948 ... Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation
      Israel has never legally annexed any territories it has occupied.

      "Israel has not defined its borders"

      You're repeating pathetic ziosh*t pal! The ISRAELI GOVERNMENT proclaimed Israel's boundaries to the world in its plea for recognition. " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947," Israel was recognized as it asked to be recognized.

      It's amazing how ignorant zionist poopmeisters are. They know f*ck all about one of the most important documents in the history of the State of Israel.

      "and each Palestinian group defines “occupation” differently."

      Irrelevant there is only one definition under the Laws of War. (as above)

      Go poop somewhere else buddy, here your wading around in it will only be be laughed at

    • If UNRWA handed them to Hamas where's the problem? Hamas is the authority. Hamas is permitted to be armed... Morons for Israel seem to think only the rogue state is allowed arms

    • How will the Hasbarristers spin this? 'Germany should have evacuated this family but Germany needs the deaths of German children and parents appearing in the papers to get sympathy'

    • @ dimadok " Israel is not a losing side"

      You think only of its ability to slaughter and destroy more than the Palestinians with its US funded high tech human slaughtering equipment.

      Meanwhile Israel has lost its moral compass. Lost sight of the basic tenets of Judaism, esp on coveting other folks property, murder, false accusations, lies. Lost contact with humanity, Judaism, ethics, morality

      "...there is no obligation to not shoot anyone who tries to enter Israel’s borders"

      What borders would they be buddy? Care to show where they are? When they were recognized? By who? Don't try the usual Hasbara, it's so easily shown to be bullsh*t, it's a complete dis-service to its own cause.

      The official record shows only what the Israeli Government asked to be recognized by and what you MUST ignore "within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" No other borders have ever been agreed upon or recognized.

      Why do you think Israel refuses to adhere to UNSC resolutions mmmm? It can't afford to recognize it's actual borders, it'd be sent bankrupt! So under the protection of the US UNSC veto vote it tries to blackmail Palestine into a negotiated settlement, forfeiting even more of their rightful territory to the decaying 'Jewish' state, thereby circumventing Israel's moral & legal obligations.

      " certainly there is no obligation not to defend itself and citizens from the indiscriminate bombardment by rockets from Gaza"

      There has never been a ceasefire negotiated with a unitary body representative of ALL the people of Palestine. You can blame Israel for preventing a unity Palestinian government.

      So, as long as the population are under occupation, the occupied have a right to bombard the Occupying Power, collateral BTW is permissible....

      Like all idiots for Israel's illegal facts on the ground policies you're bitching to the wrong people. Take your whining bullsh*t to those responsible. The Zionist Movement's state

  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • @ Mikhael "The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago"

      According to the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" Israel has not since legally acquired ANY further territories. (It has been illegal to acquire territory by war, ANY WAR, since at least 1933 link to pages.citebite.com )

      "Nothing could be more just than a people ....etc etc etc... in its original land"

      Your nonsense doesn't compute pal. The State of Israel was declared in considerably different territory from the alleged/mythical/historical homeland of the Jewish people. Israel has never legally acquired any territory since being proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government pleaded to be recognized, per UNGA 181.

      " Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document"

      Would that be Article 31 ziocolonistas dare not cite?
      Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      "End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza etc etc etc..."

      Problem. Hamas are drawn from the population of Gaza atheist, Christian, Muslim. Your repetition of ignorant and really stupid Israeli propaganda mantras only reveals that you believe really stupid ignorant Israeli propaganda mantras.

      "Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish"

      Same old tired idiotic propaganda bullsh*t! Some folk have no religion and some religions do not observe the Sabbath, they're penalized by the Jewish state.

      " just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks"

      Really? They have the enforced equivalent of the Sabbath. WOW! I wonder if they know...

      " Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence "participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions."

      Uh huh. Those words were written when Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were busy dispossessing people who should have had a right to Israeli citizenship, as if the drafters of the declaration didn't know what Jewish forces were up to. IOW it's inherent bullsh*t drafted by zionist colonizers!

      "In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens "

      That's not what the Declaration says pal.

      Accordingly we, members of the People's Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel and of the Zionist Movement, are here assembled on the day of the termination of the British Mandate over Eretz-Israel and, by virtue of our natural and historic right and on the strength of the resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.

      You're claiming Israel was declared on behalf of Jews no matter what their citizenship. But they have to gain Israeli citizenship. It ISN'T automatic.

      "it is possible for .... Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law ... "

      Is it 20% of the judiciary? 20% of the Parliament? And even if it was, so what? Wouldn't that be NORMAL? Why do you need to make a point of something that should be but isn't NORMAL? BTW what relevance has it to Israel's ILLEGAL policies in NON-Israeli territory? Absolutely NIL! IOW it's typical of the nonsensical drivel we hear from Israel's apologists

      " In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian ... etc etc ... In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level .... non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level ... "

      So what? It doesn't change the fact that Israel is in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions, i.e. a rogue state

      "One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees"

      That's odd. Israel admitted some 500,000 Arab Jews, refugees from the Arab States in 1948 - 52. BTW UNRWA catered for them in Israel until Israel finally decided to look after them

      "As a person who supports justice"

      Your dialogue betrays that notion.

      " I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population."

      Bravo..

      " When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled "stateless Palestinian refugees" in their Palestinian state"

      Why? They had no right to citizenship in territories slated for the Arab state. Earlier you quoted the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.... are you now saying it was the bullsh*t it has proven to be!?

      " they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state"

      Uh? They already DID have and still do have a right to Israeli citizenship, it's in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel you silly silly person! Unless of course it's bullsh*t!

    • @ Hophmi "It’s funny how Israelis die and you people ask who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory"

      Problem. It isn't funny when ANYONE DIES and I haven't asked "who benefits, as if to suggest some conspiracy theory" Your need to fabricate only shows honest folk how dis-honest you are.

      "But when I suggest, based on Hamas’s own propaganda, and its practice of telling people not to evacuate"

      Again you're fabricating. Hamas is not telling people to ignore the warnings to evacuate their soon to be bombed homes. They're being told to ignore Israeli propaganda

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Again your need to fabricate and twist what has been said only shows how dishonest YOU are!

      " that they want dead civilians on TV to gain public support"

      When you believe your own propaganda, like the Nazis, you become part of the problem!

      " you profess ignorance

      Poking holes in your precious propaganda mantras isn't ignorance. Your propaganda mantras are tho.... Keep up th' good work pal, your dis-service to your cause is brilliant
      "No one outside the cult is fooled by this, talknic."

      Your arrogance and denial overfloweth like settler sh*t onto a Palestinian farm, keep wading, dude, it's fun to watch

    • @hophimi " this is exactly what Hamas wants. Lots of pictures of dead kids on TV. "

      WOW! When you believe your own propaganda you're in deep sh*te.

      Hamas is drawn from the Palestinian population. They're grown up Palestinian kids who've lived their WHOLE lives under the jackboot of occupation. The kids you stupidly say they want killed for publicity purposes are of the brothers, sisters, aunts, cousins of Hamas.

      Sorry pal, your bullsh*t doesn't make the grade here, but please do keep wading around in it, it's so revealing as to the types of people who support Israel's illegal expansionist policies.

  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated)
    • Say ..... Are there any comparable pictures from around the world of all the marches FOR violent US armed Israeli intransigence?

      Surely there are such marches in numerous capital cities.... Yes?

    • jon s ///"They are their own people you moron. Hamas are Palestinians."//

      "No kidding. I’ll make it clear to you: The Hamas terrorists are trying to get their own people, Palestinian civilians, killed. Get it?"

      I get it! You're an idiot for Israeli expansionism trying to justify Israeli violence by repeating mantras for which there is absolutely no evidence what so ever. Accusations do not pass for evidence.

      On the other hand, there is plenty of actual evidence the Israeli Government purposefully, actively and openly encourages and assists Israeli citizens to illegally settle in occupied territories where they are sure to be amongst the expected and rightful violent reprisals of the occupied.

      What kind of idiotic putrid government purposefully encourages its most stupid citizens to break a convention adopted to protect ALL citizens, including those of "the Occupying Power", from the highly likely violent consequences of occupying another people?

      Furthermore what kind of putrid idiotic government illegally sells land in territory it has under military occupation to the stupid illegal settlers it has purposefully endangered?

    • jon s " I’m certainly aware of the imbalance: we have Iron Dome, and shelters and security rooms..."

      For someone who is certainly aware, you miss, fighter bombers, tanks, warships, helicopters, satellite surveillance, dime weapons, fletchettes, white phosphorus, billions in US military aid

      " and on the other side the Hamas terrorists are trying to get as many of their own people killed as possible"

      They are their own people you moron. Hamas are Palestinians.

      " while also trying to murder us"

      You murder them to get their land. Best YOU get out of ALL non-Israeli territory, go live in Israel that's what it's for....

      Take your pathetic whining to the people who're responsible for Israelis illegally being in non-Israeli territory for 66 years, the Israeli Govt

    • @ Pat Nguyen "Referring to the occupation that people advocate reversing, do you suggest going back to 1948 or 1967 in order to implement what you see as appropriate"

      In order to show the same compassion and generosity as Palestinians have" for Israelis who have been duped by the vile, lying, territory coveting Zionist Movement's state : 1967

      Based on Israel's actual borders proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government requested and subsequent occupation according to the Israeli Government : 1948

    • @ Pat Nguyen "On point #2, can you please provide the definition of occupation?"

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III

      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      " Specifically, is it based on 1948 or 1967?"

      International Law in 1907. It has never been repealed, in fact it has been further codified by the Geneva Conventions under the UN of which Israel is a member

      These statements are from the Israeli Government itself:

      1) May 22nd 1948UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel " ... the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestineoutside the territory of the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      The Israeli Government again!

      2) 12 Aug 1948 Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      Take your pathetic whining to those responsible, the Zionist Movement's state.

  • Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
    • @ hophmi "Part of the problem with the Geneva Conventions is that it they were not written with urban warfare in mind"

      Convention (IV) Relative to the Protection of Civilian Personsin Time of War

      So no civilian persons live in urban areas? WOW! That's amazing!

      Whatever bullsh*t you need to write eh hophmi. Do you really make a complete idiot of yourself for free?

    • hophmi "No, I’m not talking about field hospitals. I’m talking about civilian hospitals, as is the Geneva Conventions in Article 19. "

      Uh huh. Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

      ARTICLE 18

      Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick etc. It's not talking about rehabilitation hospitals already established in peace time

      Commentary - Art. 19. Chapter III : Medical units and establishments

    • @ hophmi You're talking about field hospitals. The hospital in question existed BEFORE Israel' slaughterfest began, rather hard to re-situate.

  • The heart of the problem with Israel: The mass expulsion of the Palestinian people
    • @ hophmi
      "Thanks for recognizing that Israel has a basic right of self-defense to protect its citizens"

      Same for all states, independent or not, including Palestine.

      " Since Hamas rocket have been fired at about 80% of Israel’s civilians, all inside the Green Line"

      A) Your propaganda nonsense is disproven by the IDF Memorial site which tells us more Israeli military personnel have been killed and injured than Israeli civilians have by collateral. It also tells us more military sites have been hit than civilians sites.

      B) The Green line was a ceasefire line adopted into the 1949 Armistice Agreement. It does not constitute a border.

      In fact the Armistice Agreements state link to pages.citebite.com 2. The "Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary ..."

      Israel's actual borders are those recognized as the Israeli Government asked to be recognized May 15th 1948 effective 00:01 May 1th 1948 link to trumanlibrary.org a fact you and your stupid kind MUST ignore

      "I’m glad you now approve of Israel’s decision to defend itself by addressing the problem in Gaza"

      Cute try. So transparent. So expected. So moronic. Save your drivel pal. I've always approved of the right of ALL states and people to protect themselves.

      You need reminding, it is Israel who has been for 66 years creating illegal facts of the ground. Israel in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions giving Israel the OPPORTUNITY to abide by the binding laws and UN Charter they emphasize and re-affirm. Instead the Jewish state has continued to ignore, continued its illegal activities.

      So take your pathetic whining complaints to the Zionist Federation and Israeli Government who actively encourage Israel's Jewish citizens to break the law by illegally settling in non-Israeli territory, thereby endangering them to the certain violent consequences one can expect when one dispossesses and occupies another people while stealing their territory.

    • @ hophmi "The argument that driving out the Palestinian population was necessary to Israel’s creation is that had it not happened there would have been .... "

      So it DID happen! Well, thanks for clarifying that hophmi. That ol' ziocaine sure does a whiz bang job on whatever meager brain cells one might have had to begin with.

      "..there would have been a civil war "

      There already was a civil war until 00:01 May 15th 1948 ME time, when Israel was proclaimed within the UNGA res 181 boundaries! The civil war was purposefully escalated under Plan Dalet in the months preceding the Israeli Government's undeniable proclamation to the world of its sovereign extent per UNGA re 181 perhaps the most significant fact in the history of the modern state of Israel. One which idiots for Israeli intransigence and the Jewish Colonial warmongers must purposefully choose to ignore. At 00:01 May 15th 1948 the civil war became a war waged by the State of Israel on what remained of Palestine!

      "and the Jews would have been massacred, as Arab leaders then were threatening to do"

      According to this Israeli Government source, the Arab states were officially proposing a democratic unity state with freedom of religion for all!

      “The Governments of the Arab States emphasise, on this occasion, what they have already declared before the London Conference and the United Nations, that the only solution of the Palestine problem is the establishment of a unitary Palestinian State, in accordance with democratic principles, whereby its inhabitants will enjoy complete equality before the law, [and whereby] minorities will be assured of all the guarantees recognised in democratic constitutional countries, and [whereby] the holy places will be preserved and the right of access thereto guaranteed. link to mfa.gov.il

      BTW The Arab Regional Powers had a legal right under the UN Charter Chapt VII to protect non-Israeli territory from Israeli forces already, at 00:01 May 15th 1948 ME time, in territory not slated for the Jewish state, not proclaimed as the Jewish state and not even today officially recognized as part of the Jewish state. link to wp.me

      "It has nothing to do with valuing one life over another"

      Weird .... this yours? "and the Jews would have been massacred" BTW the official UN records show it was non-Jews massacred, dispossessed, both within territory slated for and proclaimed as the Jewish state and in territory which according to the Israeli Government on May 22nd 1948 was "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "The BDS movement, by denying Israelis any meaningful right of self-defense ..."

      You're spouting bullsh*t! Israel has every right to protect its own people in its OWN territories. It has no right to encourage and assist Israeli citizens to be in non-Israeli territories under Israeli Occupation, illegally settling, illegal benefiting from the resources in Occupied Territories. It has no legal right to claim, sell, settle Occupied Territories.

      "... value the lives of Palestinians over the lives of Jews"

      Oh that's so cute. Are you going for the record for how many times can you repeat bullsh*t before you realize your bullsh*t is just bullsh*t. All lives are equal. Asking a state to adhere to the law does NOT value one life over another.

      Meanwhile idiots for Israel must purposefully fail to comprehend that ALL Israeli citizens, incl non-Jews, are prohibited by International Law and conventions from illegally settling in non-Israeli territory.

    • @ biorabbi "... without answering

      1. Why are pro-Palestinian marchers outside a Paris Synagogue in the first place?"

      Something that obvious needs answering? How on earth did you learn breath out? They should protest outside a catholic church?

      It's logical to be in proximity of an establishment where Jews gather and might be prompted to lobby the Jewish state to stop its slaughter of innocent non-Jews in non-Israeli territories the Zionist Movement's state covets.

      "2. Where is the outrage over Assad and Isis ..... By negating / downplaying anti-semitism, Phil and Annie show they true agenda"

      Derailing the threat and ye olde Antisemitic card is so cute, so transparent, scraping the bottom of the ziopoop bucket

  • Israel is in a pickle
    • The IDF are legitimate targets so it ain't terrorism. However wearing IDF uniforms is a no no. Likewise Israeli undercover ops and assassins not having visible arms and a recognizable insignia, like the ugly gutless naziesque thugs who beat Tariq Abu Khdeir.

  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
  • Legitimacy crisis: Netanyahu acknowledges Israeli assault lacked legitimacy
    • Israel took out the children and, as there were no after explosions, failed to take out the alleged great concentration of weapons.

      Tell one lie and either you admit to it or keep lying. The Zionist Movement's state has chosen the latter

  • 'Hamas... is putting their own people at risk' -- State Dep't on Israel killing 4 boys on Gaza beach
    • The information and sources Hostage's swift and accurate finger on the button bought to the debate are still in the Mondoweiss archives, I'm sure he'd be sorely disappointed were it not used to its fullest extent

    • @ DaBakr "HRW ........ since it has proven by its hiring of ISM "

      Source .... thx or STFU ... thx

    • @ DaBakr "Don’t think hostage isn’t peeking in at the lamenting of his absence"

      Not everyone has the same self centred need for attention as the harnessed trolls for the Zionist Movement's state

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
  • The trojan horse of liberal Zionism
    • @ hophmi "Talknic, your quote says exactly what I said"

      The fact that you can tell such a putrid lie when the posts are there for all to see and compare is quite amazing! It appears you really are quite insane!

    • @ hophmi " Most people who know me have no idea I post here.."

      Little wonder, being proved wrong time and time again is nothing to advertise, especially if you do it for free

      "I’m here for a couple of reasons. The first is to learn what there is to learn ..."

      Have you learned that Israel LIES about not having proclaimed its borders? Have you learned that Israel illegally encourages Israeli Jews to illegally settle in Occupied Territories that are not yet Israeli? Furthermore that Israel sells them land in territories that're not yet Israeli?

      What exactly have you learned apart from how to deny, ignore, repeat BS, obfuscate, lie et al

      "The second is to test my perspective on Israel against the criticism of others"

      And when your perspective fails the test, you ignore it. Clever stuff!

      "The third is to follow the growing trend of antisemitism in the pro-Palestinian movement, which I believe is a major problem for Jews and Palestinians alike"

      What're you doing here?

    • @ hophmi "Hamas has told people to disregard Israeli instructions to evacuate ... ."

      Quote verbatim ... please .... thx

      Meanwhile: The actual statement says NOTHING about disregarding Israeli instructions to evacuate their soon to be bombed homes.

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Zionist weasel worded failures are so cute!

    • @ hophmi "So, I'm guessing in your time in Navy, you never heard of anyone missing a target or hitting something they didn't intend to hit. Never happened, right?"

      Seems to only and often happen when the IDF slaughter Palestinians. Otherwise it's terrorism and purposeful targeting of Israeli civilians with un-guided home made rockets.

      Say... if they're un-guided.....

  • Following missile attack last Saturday, al-Wafa Hospital receives warnings of new round of bombings
    • @ MahaneYehude1

      "While most of you agree that Israel commits war crimes and most of you blame only Israel in the situation"

      Who should one blame for Israel's war crimes? New Zealand?

      "Until today, after one week of the operation I didn’t hear your opinions in the following subjects"

      Strange. These topics have been covered extensively for YEARS

      "1) Do you think that missile attacks on Israeli cities and towns are war crimes?"

      The occupied are allowed armed resistance against "Israel, the Occupying Power" and allowed to bombard cities and towns protected by the Israeli military // Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.//

      "2) Do you think that firing missiles from populated regions in Gaza strip is moral?"

      Why would it be immoral? Israel NEEDS them to fight from their towns, villages, cities, its a LEGAL pre-requisite for attacking Palestinians // Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.//

      BTW the Palestinians don't have the necessary shiny new high tech human slaughtering equipment Israel has to take the war to the ocean or the skies or from some safe cyber war room. No airplanes, war ships from which to fight the Occupying Power, no satellite surveillance to help them target Israeli military

      "3) If Israel kills civilians deliberately, why Hamas asks Gaza citizens to stay at homes in order to protect them?"

      A) ALL of Gaza is a war zone!
      B) Where is there to flee to when ALL the crossings are closed under the 2005 agreement and the Egypt/Israel Peace treaty by the "Israel, the Occupying Power"? It is BTW illegal to prevent civilians from fleeing a war zone //Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. //
      C) Please quote verbatim Hamas asking Gaza citizens to stay at homes in order to protect them. thx .... I'll wait...
      Meanwhile that shiny new ziopuke meme fails as spectacularly as the rest of their bullsh*t

      First, the ministry calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumors that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens, and the lack of response for each of these means, which aims to weaken the domestic front in light of great steadfastness of our people to face the aggression. link to moi.gov.ps

      Zionist weasel worded failures are so cute!
      "4) While most of you agree that the photo from Sderot shows Israelis watching the bombing of Gaza is not moral, do you think that Palestinians celebrating the missile attacks is moral?"

      What's the difference except that the Israelis are safer in Sderot from the Palestinians than they are from dying of obesity

      "5) Do you think Hamas allows freedom of speech in Gaza?"

      Irrelevant. BTW Freedom of speech is not protected by law in Israel. As a matter of fact Israel has never even had a legally elected govt, under the mandatory and promised constitution

      "6) With so many evidences and so many videos and testimonies, why Palestine doesn’t appeal to the ICC?"

      Catch up spud. Potatos left in the bag rot and stink almost as much as zionists' pathetic excuses link to icc-cpi.int

      "I appreciate honest answers"

      The record shows you don't

  • Israeli onslaught shatters western belief that Arabs are source of violence
    • @ Mikhael "Israel is here to stay as a Jewish state long after we are all ground to dust"

      I'll bet the Romans and 3rd Reich had similar notions

      "There will never be any mass exodus of Jews from their homeland."

      Is there any actual evidence there ever was a mass exodus?

      Less than half of Israeli citizens have two passports, as most Israeli Jews are are descended from families that formerly lived in countries like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, etc."

      Uh huh. They'd be Arab Jews ...

      "Those countries do not offer citizenship to Israeli Jews"

      Why would they? Are Israelis stateless? I thought Israel was the Jewish state. BTW It's very rare that countries at war ever offer citizenship to their enemies.

      "Some Israelis have applied for secondary passports in countries where their ancestors had fled from, e.g., Hungary, Poland, etc. This makes it easier for some of us to travel and do business, an EU passport is convenient, but, with exceptions, most Israelis don’t want to permanently resettle among those who mistreated their ancestors" ...

      ... 70 years ago. Statistics tell us those who mistreated their ancestors would be a tiny tiny, very old, minority

      "There are already equal rights for all citizens in Israel, a multi-religious, multi-ethnic society"

      Cute theory

  • Palestinian member of Knesset removed from meeting for saying, 'Your hands are covered with blood'
    • @ yonah fredman "Shameless Mondoweiss commenter Rusty Pipes quoting Bashar Assad in any context using the word freedom. "

      Uh? What's shameless in reporting a speech?

      " I vomited after the first sentence"

      Like The Exorcist kinda thing? If Palestine attains independence I'll be happy to lend some large buckets

  • As we sat down to break the fast, everything in the house started smashing and flying
    • @ JustJessetr

      " Perhaps if no one could kill each other, there might be space for some kind of dialogue"

      Perhaps if Israel adhered to International Law and the UN Charter and withdrew from all non-Israeli territory it has illegally acquired since being proclaimed " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" there wouldn't even be need for dialogue .... just astronomical reparations that the Jewish State has simply never been able to afford.

      "And however much it costs to build bomb shelters in Gaza, the PA and Hamas have plenty of international aid"

      International aid doesn't come as cash and if it did, they would have to import steel and concrete and machinery and all manner of stuff prohibited and/or restricted through ALL borders by "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      "Oh, and as for my own suggestion, it’s not new: Hamas should change it’s charter. Finally!"

      Including Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” ?

      Say will Lukid change its charter?

    • @ JustJessetr "Where is the money to build the shelters, Hamas????"

      Can't build shelters with money, it takes steel, concrete, equipment

      "Do you not care about the people who elected you???"

      They are the people who elected them you stupid stupid person! Say ... where did your sudden burst of compassion come from other than the need to demonize Hamas whose numbers are drawn from the people who elected them

      "Is there ONE shelter in all of Gaza that your people can run to???"

      Being buried alive under apartment blocks flattened by Israel's modern precision human slaughtering devices isn't exactly ideal.

  • Sullivan and Leveretts throw in the towel on two-state solution
  • Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
    • @ JustJessetr "That’s why Israel is considering annexation"

      A) Unilateral annexation is illegal (see UNSC res 252)

      B) If Israel is considering annexation, it IS NOT YET Israeli and Israeli civilians are there ILLEGALLY!

      C) If it is not yet Israeli WTF is Israel doing selling land there to illegal Israeli settlers?

      What kind of sick state sells land in territory it does not own to civilians who should not be there after encouraging them to break a convention adopted to protect them (yes it is to protect ALL civilians incl those of "Israel, the Occupying Power") from the very likely violent consequences of occupying another people.

  • Federal official fires gun at pro-Palestine demonstrators following scuffle in LA
    • JustJessetr " it’s perfectly clear that Israel’s jumping into a fight when the enemy was knocking on it’s door in ’67 is both an admirable and legal move"

      Uh huh. 1966 link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      "injustices need to be righted. But at some point I simply have to take my own side in a fight"

      The side of injustice, illegality, aggression, theft, lies, false accusations .... cute. You must be very proud

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
    • Naftush "3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section, *unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities*"

      Must make you and your fellow apologists red faced...

      BTW Why are you now citing the additional GC protocols. A) Israel isn't a signatory. B) I thought the Israeli apologist's narrative was that GC's are not applicable

      Must be Israel apologist hypocrisy at work

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