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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue. We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet. Even today. Since declaration, Israel has illegally acquired more and more territory outside of it's actual proclaimed and recognized Sovereign boundaries and it encourages Israeli civilians to break laws that were adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. All I ask is that Israel adhere to the law, under which it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. The Palestinians ask for their legal rights under the Laws all states are obliged to uphold. Israel demands more and more non-Israeli land. I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. It's the information that counts. :-)

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  • Episcopal Church rejects BDS resolutions citing fears divestment would hamper church in Jerusalem
    • You've obviously got eyes and you can obviously read hophmi. Try reading "citing fears divestment would hamper church in Jerusalem"

      Nothing about the notion of boycotting Israel's illegal activities being morally offensive

  • 'Why this bullsh-t?' Video of Israeli navy flotilla takeover
    • @ Mayhem "more legalistic gobbledegook to defend the previous set! "

      You have nothing to counter it? AMAZING!

      "The UN bodies, to which Hostage has referred, have already clearly demonstrated that unprincipled bias against Israel by passing more resolutions against it than virtually all the rest of the world’s nations combined. Their edicts against Israel are intended to bash Israel into submission."

      Israel has been afforded hundreds of opportunities to adhere to the Laws and UN Charter as re-affirmed and emphasized in hundreds of UNSC resolutions for the simple reason that Israel has failed to adhere to those laws and the UN Charter.

      Reminding Israel of its legal obligations and hundreds of previous opportunities without once taking any action, is not bias against Israel.

      "The aggressive exploitation of the tenets of international law as a weapon used exclusively against Israel ...."

      Your crappolla overfloweth. The Nazis acted against International Law. Iraq was booted out of Kuwait, Indonesia out of East Timor

      " There were Israeli nationals on board the Marianne – enough reason for Israel to be justified in apprehending the vessel, about to enter Gaza – a state to all intentions purposes still at war with Israel."

      Gaza is not a state you stupid person. A vessel in International Waters is the sovereign territory of the state of the flag under which the vessel sails. Israel invaded the sovereign territory of another state, not Gaza.

      Furthermore Israel hijacked the vessel AFTER it was inspected and no arms or contraband were found.

      "Crimes in support of Hamas, which has now been shown to be in collaboration with ISIS after the massacre of Egyptian police and military officers in Northern Sinai a couple of days ago"

      A theory is not evidence

      " Would Hostage also say it was not permissible to stop vessels attempting to smuggle weapons into Gaza? Could Hostage say with 100% certainty that these vessels in this propaganda flotilla did not have any arms on board? "

      The IDF didn't find any weapons you silly person

      " Israel continues to allow bountiful humanitarian aid to reach Gaza. Read how the Israeli aid to Gaza is 500,000 times more than the aid that was on the flotilla."

      Even if true it's irrelevant. Attempting to break the blockade draws public attention to the blockade. The fact that you're here trying to defend Israel's ongoing illegal usurping of the people of Palestine is evidence that it's quite successfull

    • jon s

      "Simple logic says that if a blockade is legal, then attempting to break it is not "

      Simple logic says that if you are asked to show a law prohibiting the breaking of a blockade and you can't, it probably doesn't exist

      "On the other thread, see my comment there"

      The comment that DOESN'T prove your point

    • @ ivri

      "what did these “political voyagers” think?"

      That it would promote publicity like this article YOU are posting on (thx BTW). That the publicity of articles like this would reveal the idiocy of Israel's excuses for hijacking a vessel in International Waters AFTER Israeli inspection had shown it to be un-armed, not carrying any banned goods under the blockade and therefore NOT in breach of the blockade's stated intention.

      "The important thing..." is that they have been 100% successful otherwise YOU wouldn't be here, you stupid stupid person.

    • @ jon s Uh huh.

      Problem... Your source and citation do not tell us it is against International Law to attempt to break a blockade.

  • Oren's memoir reveals Israel's elite is hyper-sensitive to U.S. criticism
    • @ jon s " Why not consider the possibility that the Jews praying for a return to Zion for thousands of years .....

      Good point. So, you're whining at the wrong people you stupid stupid person. Take your pathetic kvetching to the Zionist Movement who only proclaimed sovereignty over a part of the Jewish People's alleged Historical Homeland and who have been for the last 67 years busy lying to Israelis about non-borders while stealing non-Israeli territory. They're the one's who screwed the opportunity under the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7 whereby Jewish folk could immigrate to Palestine and attain Palestinian citizenship and buy land and settle anywhere in Palestine.

      "... – actually meant what they were saying?""

      Uh? If they actually meant it they could have for over 2,000 years and the few who actually did mean it probably did or stayed there throughout

      Even Herzl in his life time could have immigrated to Palestine, attained legal citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's alleged Historic Homeland. He didn't bother. Nor did his family see any need.

      Why are Zionist propagandists so utterly devoid of any intelligence?

  • Activists call on Oprah Winfrey to distance herself from Leviev over human rights abuses
  • Interview with Rela Mazali: The Israeli left, BDS, and the 'habit of hope'
    • @ Elan

      "Can someone explain to me how steadily firing nonstop rockets at Israel and building tunnels from which to threaten and terrorize Israel is not considered militarization from the Palestinian side? "

      Nope. It's definitely militarization and it's what people are legally allowed to do when their territory is being colonized, they are under occupation, being dispossessed. Jews should not have resisted the Nazis? WOW!!

      " to excuse the use of violence and force by one side and not the other, seems to me to be a huge bias"

      One has legal justification for resisting colonization and occupation. The colonizer and "Occupying Power" has no legal justification link to wp.me

      "As well, to suggest that Hamas and the Palestinian side in this conflict is peace-loving and only a victim in all of this, seems also one-sided "

      The Palestinians didn't invite the Zionist Federation to colonize Palestine. Israel is not being colonized or under occupation.
      The Palestinians/Hamas do not have military control over (occupy) any Israeli territory.
      Israel, after having been given completely gratis the territory for the Jewish state, has been illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory for the past 67 years.

      Hamas (1987) was formed in response to 90 years of Zionist colonization (since 1897 link to jewishencyclopedia.com ) , in response to 39 years of Israeli occupation ( since 1948 link to wp.me ) . Resisting today (2015) in response to more than a century of Palestine being colonized

      "Nobody is addressing the fact that what happened in Gaza was partly a consequence of constant threats and attacks on Israel

      The occupied are allowed armed resistance and civilian collateral is always a possibility

      "An end to violence means an end to violence on both sides"

      So Israel could withdraw from ALL non-Israei territories, nothing is stopping it and it has never been tried.....

      You're whining at the wrong people pal. Go whine to the stupid Zionist Federation, they decided to colonize Palestine. They demanded a separate state, now Israelis are prohibited from illegally settling in non-Israeli territories.

  • Flotilla members still imprisoned as video emerges of violent Israeli attack during capture
    • @ Palikari "By the way, to break a blockade is illegal under international law."

      Cite the law

      "You could have just sailed to Ashdod and all supplies would have been transferred to Gaza via Kerem Shalom crossing"

      You're missing the point or brain cells..

      "If you were truly concerned about human rights, you would not be sailing in support of a terrorist regime which summarily executes citizens and uses children as human shields"

      They weren't sailing in support of Israel.

  • United Church of Christ votes to boycott & divest from companies profiting from Israel's occupation
  • In effort to thwart BDS, some Israel supporters urge partial settlement freeze
    • @ JoeSmack
      " They are playing on the fact that settlements alone should be pulled because of the harm to Israel’s image internationally"

      Er no. The settlements are illegal, not in Israel, and the settlers are Israeli citizens, not Palestinian citizens

      "In reality this is simply a repeat of something that has happened throughout Israel’s history, namely that international pressure focuses almost entirely on Israel’s occupation and settlements.."

      Correct. Other nations, entities, BDS organizations, including the UN have no right to dictate anything within Israel's actual sovereign extent.

      " and small concessions are offered by even the most right-wing administrations. "

      Israel has never made any concessions. Offering to swap occupied Palestinian territory for Occupied Palestinian territory so Israel can keep Occupied Palestinian territory is neither a concession nor does it have any legal basis. Adhering to the law is not a concession. Gaza is still occupied.

      "The BDS call very clearly includes refugee rights and Omar Barghouti has himself emphasized again and again that he does not think it is pragmatic or ethnical to remove them, and yet every BDS resolution that has passed so far ignored the refugees. There isn’t a single mention of them in the actual resolutions."

      Try making sense ... please

    • @ Naftush

      These "Palo-supremacists"
      What Israeli territory have they illegally acquired?
      How many Israeli prisoners do they hold without charge?
      How many of those are children?
      How many Israelis have they dispossessed?
      What wars did they start?
      Are they exploiting Israeli resources illegally?
      Have they a blockade on Israel?
      Do they determine who may or may not enter or exit Israel?
      Have they prevented any goods from being exported or imported into Israel?
      Do they withhold Israeli taxes?
      Have they used cluster bombs, fletchettes, white phosphorus on Israeli schools?
      Have they devastated whole city blocks of Israeli civilian dwellings?
      Have they bombed Israeli electricity generators, sewerage works?
      Do they encourage illegal settlers on Israeli soil in breach of GC VI?
      Do they get billions in military aid from the US?
      Have they prevented Israeli fishermen from fishing within the legal limit?
      Do they prevent Israelis from going on holidays, returning from holidays, study?
      Have they bulldozed any Israeli homes?
      Have they destroyed any Israeli orchards?
      Do they prevent any Israeli farmers from reaching their farmlands?
      How high is the separation wall they have built on Israeli territory?
      How many Israeli villages have they destroyed?
      How many gallons of putrid smelling 'skunk' have they sprayed on Israelis and Israeli homes?
      When Israelis protest in Israel do they bombard them with tear gas, shoot them, gaol them?

      Maybe you can supply photographic evidence and where possible a simple yes or no will suffice, unless of course you want to dig a deeper hole

    • @ Mayhem " BDS advocates are not going to be satisfied with anything short of Israel’s capitulation to its raison d’etre of being a Jewish state"

      How will adhering to the law in or by withdrawing from NON-Israeli territories effect Israel in respect to it being a Jewish state?

      " The freezing of settlements would enable Israelis who are striving for a resolution to the conflict to claim the high moral ground as Shavit likes to express it. "

      The settlements are illegal. If Israel were to adhere to the law it would hold at least a modicum of high moral ground.

      "If there is no reciprocal gesture from the Palestinian side then they get exposed for their unwillingness to aim for an equitable solution"

      The Palestinians don't hold any Israeli territory under occupation. The Palestinians don't have any illegal settlements in Israel.

      The Palestinians long ago offered to cede 78% of their rightful territories to Israel for peace. link to pages.citebite.com

      Israel has offered nothing. No thing! Not one thing! Nada. Nil. Nought. Zip.

  • Rainbow flag covers Israeli separation wall near Ramallah
  • My journey from Zionism to Palestine solidarity
    • Hasbara never rests

      @ Mikhael

      "never heard of people in the Jewish community, Zionist or otherwise objecting to UNICEF collection boxes. "

      You should get out more often link to google.com.au

      "UNESCO, on the other hand, was rightly perceived as being anti-Israel in the 1980s, and it invited Yasser Arafat to address its general assembly (well before he pretended to recognize Israel)."

      A) rightly perceived by who and on what basis?
      B) It was an official recognition.

      " initially sponsored an exhibit detailing the connection of Jews to Erets Yisra’el, but then backed down due to pressure"

      Because the exhibition was an Israeli Government sponsored propaganda exercise

    • @ Mikhael

      "I guess Mondoweiss wants to peddle the idea that Zionists hate UNICEF"

      Uh huh .... link to google.com.au

      Say .... do you have any evidence to back your assertion re MW? I'll wait...

    • @ German Lefty 'The study found that 58% of the post-1967 maps used in Palestinian Authority schoolbooks in the occupied territories show the polity “Palestine,” incorporating everything between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, including present-day Israel.

      Arguably correct. The "Question of Palestine" as it is officially referred to by the UNSC is not yet answered.

      "There is no mention of Israel"

      It's not the Question of Israel !

  • 'A traumatized society is dangerous'
    • Interesting ..... however, Zionism wasn't traumatized! The Zionist Federation wasn't traumatized! The Jewish Colonial Trust wasn't traumatized!

      More bulldust isn't going to cover up for or change the ways of a rogue state, even if it is Jewish

  • 'Jewish cow' is udderly superior to all other cows in the world, Netanyahu says
  • In op-eds, church leaders say BDS is moral response to Netanyahu's rejection of Palestinian statehood
    • Edit Under UNGA res 194 non-Jewish Israeli citizens have a RoR to Israel’s proclaimed and recognized territories of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time). Today’s Israeli Jews far outnumber the non-Jewish Israelis original dispossessed 1948, their lineal descendants, the 20% who remained in Israeli territory and their lineal descendants.

    • @ Shalom "the third is clearly supporting “the promotion of a Right of Return,” that if realized would eliminate the state of Israel.."

      Bullshit! The Palestinian claim of RoR is under UNGA res 194. Under UNGA res 194 only non-Jewish Israeli citizens have a RoR to Israel's actual proclaimed and recognized territories of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time), Israel's Jewish population has grown to a point where there is no demographic threat what so ever. Today's Israeli Jews far outnumber the non-Jewish Israelis original dispossessed, their lineal descendants of Israel's dispossessed non-Jewish citizens of 1948 and the 20% who remained in Israeli territory.

      The remaining dispossessed Palestinians only have RoR to non-Israeli territories.

      Currently Israel refuses RoR for non-Jewish citizens to Israel and refuses RoR for Palestinian citizens to the non-Israeli territories that remained of Palestine after Israel proclaimed its sovereign extent and was recognized as such.

      It's Israeli propaganda policy to scare monger Israelis with the completely false assertion based on the idiotic and wrongful notion that the entire UNRWA figure is for return to Israel.

      UNGA 194 was adopted in 1948. UNRWA didn't exist in 1948! UNWRA's definition does not apply to UNGA res 194. The UNRWA website itself tells us it has no mandate to effect final status. link to unrwa.org

      Further more states do not cease to exist simply because their demographics change and a real democracy changes to accommodate its majority.

      The actual threat is to all the territories Israel has illegally acquired by war since proclaiming its boundaries effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) (ibid). It's not Israeli territory! Israeli propaganda has been deceiving Israelis for 67 years, that's how low the Zionist Movement's state has sunk!

  • BDS will keep Israeli tanks from moving and F15 from flying, Oren says
    • @ ivri "That`s human nature – it is what decades of warring does to people"

      So go kvetch to the Zionist Federation they're the people who started this war

      "The Arab world and the Palestinians have turned Israel into a Sparta"

      I see they invited the Zionist Federation to colonize Palestine ..... Strange there's no mention in any of the Zionist Federation's minutes

  • 'We are doing you people a favor by allowing you to be seated here,' Netanyahu deputy tells Palestinians in Knesset
    • Hi JLD,
      hope you're doin' well

      Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, is third hand opinion, depends on consensus rather than truth and if they don't like what you say they'll have you banned and even remove a vote made before you were banned link to en.wikipedia.org

      The article you've linked is an attempt to deny Palestine was already a state with provisional recognition. "This article is about the geopolitical entity created in Palestine under British administration." It's bullshit! Now it's stuck there by consensus of those who do not want it changed

      " Rather than there having been an “expiration” of the British mandate, wasn’t it more a matter of the Brits having unilaterally decided to cut and run? "

      The British were conforming with the majority of the UN on partition. They stuck to the LoN Mandate for Palestine as far as was possible. The Mandate had no provision for partition and under the UN it was arguably already a trusteeship per Chapt XI

      However, the British occupation would have had to have terminated anyway for Palestine to have gained independence as prescribed by the LoN Mandate for Palestine 1st line and the LON Covenant Article 22

      Under the/a partition plan or not, the occupation of Palestine also had to end for the simple reason that any entity, be it Jewish, Arab or any other, cannot declare independence while under occupation. For the same reason what remained of Palestine after Israel was declared independent, could not declare independence while there were and still are Israeli forces in what remains of Palestine. Although Palestine was a state under the Mandate and is now , it was/is not an independent state. Especially while Israel remains in occupation. In fact Palestine has never in its history had an opportunity to declare independence. It has always been occupied fully or in part by some entity or another. Contrary to the Hasbara, there's never been an opportunity for the Palestinians to miss!

      The Mandate ended so either party could declare independence under UNGA res 181 and had Israel stuck to its proclaimed frontiers, the Arab Regional Powers would not have had legal cause to go to the protection of what remained of Palestine.

    • The Knesset (administrative body) is in conflict with Israel, the Jewish State

      [ Links are all to the same document ]

      link to pages.citebite.com "We appeal .... to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions"

      link to pages.citebite.com "The State of Israel ... will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex "

      link to pages.citebite.com "it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture"

      Jews around the world should be raising their voices in protest at the evil regime in control of their Jewish state ( link to pages.citebite.com "recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable." )

  • Interview with a suicide bomber
    • @ catalan

      "I wonder how many talknic admirers like Mooser, Annie, etc agree that it is A-ok to blow up a pizza parlor because of a “collaborator”"

      A) Typical Zionnutter puke. I didn't say it was OK you stupid person

      B) It's OK though it seems for Israel to blow up entire neighbourhoods

    • @ catalan "So you admit that BDS and ICC is not a cause of hope despite the volumes written here about this strategy. Personally, I think the only road to peace is compromise. "

      How much more should the Palestinians compromise. already willing to cede to Israel some 78% of their rightful territories for peace, and when will Israel make a single compromise?

      Thus far Israel has only offered to swap non-Israeli territories it occupied for non-Israeli territories so Israel can keep non-Israeli territories. link to wp.me

      "With a few exceptions (France, Sweden) all European countries lost most of their historic territories. Hungary is a quarter of its size at one point. Albania in 1912 got less than half of Albanian territories. Serbia lost Bosnia. Greece- the Ionian territories. Germany, Bulgaria, the list goes on."

      Many since 1933 or 1945?

      "People get over it, and move on"

      Zionist colonizers haven't. The Romans no longer exist, the Holocaust was over decades ago, a Jewish state exists. The Nakba however, continues

      "The Palestinians can make certain compromises but I know they won’t"

      They're under no legal obligation to forgo any of their legal rights in any compromise so Israel can have what it has absolutely no legal claim

      BTW If BDS wasn't starting to hurt and the ICC aren't a problem why is Israel so outraged and taking desperate measures?

    • @ DaBakr "I feel like in terms of history-the Palestinians will get their own footnote in reference to the types of ‘suicide’ attacks that have now been copied .... Not saying they invented terror or suicide missions but they pioneered a certain style of singular remote/self detonated devices that has been adopted by many other fanatical groups."

      Bullshit. The Tamil Tigers used suicide bombing before the Palestinians and singular remote/self detonated devices have been employed by militaries long before the Palestinians fell into the despair brought about by lifetimes under brutal Israel occupation.

      "Unfortunately-marnie above is conflating the rash of suicide attacks committed in the name religious fanaticism -something the Palestinian suicide bombers did not promote until Hamas came round- with the I/P conflict"

      Keep repeating your drivel. Hamas, established in 1987, are a response to 90 years of Zionist colonization started in 1897 and 39 years of Israeli occupation beginning in 1948, the illegal acquisition by war by Israel of non-Israeli territory

      "Is it “brainwashed” that so many in the west do not-in general-distinguish from an ISIL suicide bomber and a Palestinian?"

      By the media and Israeli propaganda, yes.

      " (and honestly- there has;t been a (sucessful-or otherwise)Palestinian tactical suicide bomber in a while)

      Despite thousands of Palestinians being able to illegally get into Israel weekly even with the separation wall built in non-Israeli territory

    • @ DaBakr Start naming some of those places so we can compare circumstances.

      Meanwhile the the majority of Palestinians have lived their whole lives under occupation. In fact, generations of Palestinians have lived their whole lives under occupation or been dispossessed since at least May 22nd 1948 in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "So-wether you agree with the tactic of blowing oneself up in a crowd of civilians"

      The crowds of civilians might have been collateral due to the target being amongst them. Soldiers & collaborators go to pizza parlors, markets and catch buses too.

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  • Irish activists hit hard against 1st Irish dance competition in Israel
    • @ Mooser

      No

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      Come back Mike, come back, you haven't finished digging your hole

    • @ Mike_Konrad

      "What a twisting of history"

      Let's see.

      "In the 7th century … outside Arabs invaded the Holy Land"

      They didn't take it from the Jews

      "Judea and Samaria is the ancient heartland of the Jewish people"

      "was" is the operative word. Israel was proclaimed according to the boundaries of UNGA res 181 and recognized as such. No further territories have ever been legally acquired by Israel or recognized as Israeli

      "No one knows history"

      Here's some history you won't find in any Israeli school book link to trumanlibrary.org It's history you choose to ignore

      Here's some more history. Herzl in his life time could have immigrated to Palestine and attained citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere within the Jewish people's historical home land. He didn't bother, nor did his family.

      Under the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7 Jewish folk could immigrate to the state of Palestine, get Palestinian citizenship, buy land and settle.

      Go take your pathetic kvetching to the Zionist Federation who, by demanding a Jewish state, screwed the Jewish People's right to settle anywhere in Palestine. Now Israelis are only permitted to live in Israel.

  • When a police officer is actually a soldier
    • @ Mooser " I would pry open Blue Boxes with my teeth to get money to pay Yonah (and Gawtt help us, “Jon s”) to shut up!"

      Indeed. However, repeating the lie is standard operating procedure, no matter how many times the lie is disproved. Ignore and lie again. The more something is repeated on the internet the more likely it is to appear at the top of search results

    • @ yonah fredman

      " Dan Cohen’s article was clearly propaganda."

      Propaganda is false information and attempts to deceive. Please point out the propaganda .... thx

      " Provide an alternate description for that article and its photographs. "

      Reporting

      "He is allowed into Hamas territory and unless you feel that Hamas does not know about his presence in Gaza, he is Hamas approved."

      Doesn't mean he's a propagandist. In fact it's Israel, the Occupying Power who controls who can go into or leave Occupied Territory

      "On what basis should I continue to communicate with you, when you make false accusations against me ..... I am not paid for the “service” I provide. "

      You make an idiot of yourself here day and day out spouting nonsense for free? WOW!

      I suggest you try communicating truthfully

    • @ yonah fredman "Avi Mayer is wrong to make a distinction between police and soldiers in this instance certainly. And Dan Cohen is right to object to the distinction."

      Irrelevant. Any armed Israeli in non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation is a valid military target. The areas in red in this animation are NOT nor have they ever been legally acquired by Israel thru any legal agreement. In fact on the 22nd May 1948 the Israeli Government itself admitted to the UNSC the territories were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      " Dan Cohen is a “Hamas approved propagandist.”

      Evidence please.... thx ... I'll wait

    • @ yonah fredman “patrolling Israel’s ever changing borders”. Yes, we get the point. More accurate: “patrolling Israel’s undeclared borders”"

      Neither is correct. Israel declared its borders and was subsequently recognized within them. You've been shown indisputable evidence of the fact many times.

      Israel has never legally acquired any further territory by any legal agreement or mechanism.

      You're a blatant and very likely a paid propagandist.

  • Israeli President Reuven Rivlin calls for removal of Israeli flag
    • @ hophmi June 24, 2015, 10:33 am

      "There are almost 5 dozen Muslim countries. "

      Any of them occupying another people in breach of International Law, the UN Charter

      " To be silent on that, and to talk obsessively about Israel, is ridiculous."

      But to be dispossessing and slaughtering non-Jews in order to obsessively and illegally settle in non-Israeli territory for 67 years, is OK ....right?

      Oh .... sorry ... I get what you mean. If we talk about those countries, Israel will suddenly withdraw from all non-Israeli territories taking its illegal settlers back to Israel, pay compensation for 67 years of belligerence and exploitation of non-Israel resources and start adhering to International Law ....right?

      Or is it that if those other countries didn't also persecute minorities, Israel will suddenly withdraw from all non-Israeli territories taking its illegal settlers back to Israel, pay compensation for 67 years of belligerence and exploitation of non-Israel resources and start adhering to International Law?

      HELP, I'm not sure what you're getting at ..... two or more wrongs make a right?

    • Why hophmi? Is the USA in the Middle East? (at the top of the page "The War of Ideas in the Middle East")

      But let me guess what you mean....

      Were people to be critical of the US and/or other states, Israel would suddenly withdraw to its legal borders, resettle all its illegal settled Israeli citizens back in Israeli territory, pay reparations for 67 years of dispossession and the exploitation of non-Israel resources and suddenly to everyone's amazement begin to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter .... right?

      Or maybe you mean if those other states had not also committed atrocities, Israel would never have had troops in non-Israeli territory for 67 years, would never have dispossessed anyone, would never had been in breach of International Law and the UN Charter and would be living in peace within its proclaimed and ONLY recognized borders .... right?

      Are you really so stupid you actually believe your what-aboutery will make the grade here?

  • Israeli diplomats 'are not allowed to speak' on US campuses, but North Korean diplomats are, Israeli official says
    • @ Sibiriak June 25, 2015, 2:08 am

      // Liars deserve to be shouted down//

      "Tempting idea, admittedly. But facile, and quite pernicious. As history has repeatedly shown, the coercive shutting down of debate is antithetical to democracy"

      I didn't mention shutting down debate.

      "The reason is simple: without the free exchange of ideas it is impossible to determine what is lie and what is the truth and what is in-between"

      ... and when found to be lying, liars deserve to be not only shouted down but booted out, because it is impossible to further constructive debate in order to reach a just conclusion while their lies sway opinion

    • Liars deserve to be shouted down hophmi

    • @ hophmi "Pro-Palestinians speakers aren’t being shouted down or being subjected to boycott campaigns."

      Do you ever get out from under your rock? The threat of wIthdrawing university funds is a boycott link to theguardian.com

      link to google.com.au

  • Hamas military wing claims responsibility for killing Israeli in the West Bank
    • A) One wonders if the two Israelis who were illegally in non-Israeli territory were armed. They were after all "observed the area continuously". Were they observed with a gun? Were they seen putting a gun in the car? If so, they'd've been belligerents. Valid military targets.

      B) What kind of a dim witted, evil government purposefully encourages illegal settlement when GC IV is intended to protect ALL civilians including those of "Israel, the Occupying Power" from the very likely violent consequences of occupying another people?

  • Michael Oren misrepresents the truth, 'Forward' and 'NYT' editor assert
  • 'Fresh Air' turns a critique of the occupation into an Oedipal issue
  • Does Israel have a toxic personality? Ask Michael Oren
    • @ Sibiriak

      "Talknic, for example, asserts–without any evidence whatsoever– that Yonah Fredman is a paid Hasbarist (“What a waste of Hasbara payroll shekels.”). That’s an obvious attempt to discredit Yonah. "

      Mmmm ... Y F and his fellow propagandists discredit themselves. They have been shown many times from official sources that the West Bank is not Israel's to "cede".

      252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980. None of which have anything to do with race or religion. They’re based on and re-affirm and emphasize the UN Charter, binding on all UN Members, International Law, binding on all states and the GC’s, also binding, all of which Israel obliged itself to uphold. Alas it hasn’t.

      1) “Israel must end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem

      There is only one reason for repeating bullsh*t when one has been shown indisputable evidence a number of times, they're propagandists.

      "...No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues"

      The issue is Israeli toxicity. Pro-Israeli propaganda is toxic.

      Perpetuated by people who have been shown the evidence many many many times is a sign of that toxicity. Yet they foolishly return time and time again with the same olde schtick, only to have it thrown back at them again. One must be rather naive to think they show themselves to be f*ckwits on purpose.

    • @ Catalan

      "I am curious why in your opinion he didn’t bother."

      Perhaps he didn't actually believe in his story. After all, that's all it was, a fantasy

      "Also, what conclusions do you draw from it?"

      There was obviously no desperate need. Sure generated a lot of money tho.

      "As a side note, I would never ever give up my American citizenship. Unlike Oren (and talknic) I don’t consider Israel “our Jewish state”. I love the United States"

      Why should anyone believe anything you write?

    • Landie_C "... Zionism itself was in no small measure a byproduct of PTSD"

      From what? Herzl in his lifetime could have immigrated to, acquired citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's historic homeland in Palestine. He didn't bother. Nor did his family.

    • Posting f*ckwitted drivel in order to push people to the point where they can no longer contain their anger is typical of the whole Israeli/Colonialist serial abuser technique

      I'd like to thank yonah for his demonstration/s

      ------

      @ bryan Unlike the Northern and Southern American states, Israel's 67 years of illegal activities in non-Israeli territory are not part of a Civil War.

    • yonah fredman demonstrates how f*ckwits never learn, never stop with their simple minded drivel! Digging deeper and deeper holes in pursuit of justification for the un-justifiable

      " The southern united states was not subject to wars against Black countries, not subject to bombs in restaurants, not subject to wanton shelling from adjacent territories, was not subject to rhetoric of expulsion"

      The Southern United States wasn't occupying any of the Northern United States territories, claiming it as their own, illegally annexing, illegally dispossessing Northern United States citizens in order to illegally settle Southern citizens in non-Southern territory

      "Maybe the frame of mind can teach us something nonetheless, but ceding the west bank is certainly more dangerous than granting blacks the vote"

      To cede something, one must first be the legal possessor. The West Bank is not, nor has it ever been Israeli.

      "pressuring Israel to ceding the West Bank (the very least that the BDS movement is advocating) is of a different category"

      Categorically a figment of a sauteed in Ziobile imagination

      What a waste of Hasbara payroll shekels. The only service you provide is affording the opportunity for well informed people to show just how corrupted and feeble the whole wholly holey Hasbara arguments are and how stupid are the people who spout them

      Keep up the good work

    • @ DaBakr

      "PW displays an incredible amount of nerve complaining about the negative tone of most or ‘all the passages PW read’ and describing them as “unpleasant”. I haven’t read Orens book ..."

      My guess is he's read those passages at least

      " .... and only the WSJ"

      Say .... there's an expression for that

      "When things reported as ‘facts’ are indisputably refuted (e.g.”dams in southern Israel) instead of ceding the mistake -the error is parsed even further to an absurdists degree of pro-negativity (e.g. ‘a wadi is a kind of a dam’.)"

      link to google.com.au dam

      "And in case PW didn’t notice, his good buddy, the little red haired ‘hero’ of MW-MxB wrote probably the most unpleasant, negative, polemical, inflammatory book about Israel that can be remembered in the past few years"

      Did you read it or take the usual dose ?

  • 'NYT's public editor slams anti-Irish bigotry in news story on Berkeley balcony deaths
    • @ DaBakr

      "So, while pointing out the rotten post of one commentor on the student deaths which had nothing to do with Israel or Jews your are bringing up yet another reference to Israel and Jews as being “rotten”"

      No buddy. Try something else. What I wrote, " your rotten posts", is still there for all to see.

      I doubt very much you're Jewish BTW, you show no signs of adhering to the most basic of Judaism's common sense tenets

      "You also seem to be blessed with a caustic heart and shallow intellect… Or maybe it’s the other way around…."

      Indeed it is the other way around, as your false accusations, lies and pathetic attempts to justify Israel's crimes continually display

      Keep up th' good work pal

    • @ DaBakr " as somebody who has built many structures over time and used wood-I took one look at those rotted joists and shook my head and wondered where inspectors were. That rot didn’t just happen over a year. It takes a long time. "

      As someone who has de-constructed a lot of Israeli propaganda over time, I take one look at your rotten posts, shake my head and wonder why you think your word carries any weight at all. That kind of rot didn't just happen over a year. It takes training a sick mind

      @ amigo LOL +1

  • Israeli leader turns on US Jewish journalists Friedman, Wieseltier, Remnick and Silvers for disloyalty and anti-semitism!
    • catalan demonstrates his stupidity

      //“Beinart is American. ‘His people’ are his fellow Americans. – ”//

      "But talknic says that Israel is the state of every Jewish person because they allow easy immigration for Jews."

      A) Benart is an American citizen

      B) Despite the fact that Israel opens the gates "of the homeland wide to every Jew" not all Jews have bothered to become Israeli citizens

      "Whom should I believe?"

      Why don't you ask your mommy to explain it to you kiddo

    • Zionism has no 'too low' when it comes to people who get in the way of the Greater Israel project or who have served their usefulness.

      Once you've engaged in its treachery, you'll live in fear of it happening to you, so never ever deviate, always dig a deeper hole, continue lying, falsely accusing, making pathetic justifications, anything, absolutely anything

  • Obama violated US-Israeli understanding by not clearing Cairo speech and Iran talks with Netanyahu --Oren
  • The United Church of Christ and divestment
    • @ RFCool " Israel should have NO RIGHT to use this as any leverage in so-called Peace Agreements"

      It 's nonsense anyway. Typical Ziologic.

      The peace agreement would be between Israel and Palestine.

      Only those non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were dispossessed from Israel 1948 have a right to return to the territory of Israel 1948. If someone did get granted RoR to Israel, they'd be an Israeli citizen, swearing allegiance to Israel, not to Palestine.

      If the Palestinian State for example screwed the peace agreement, would those returned Israelis suddenly become Palestinians for the first time in their lives?

  • Israel's race to economic (and moral) bankruptcy
    • @ tod77

      " it would take a lot of international coordination and solidarity to make it really hurt Israel "

      It's not only Israel where boycott can be effective. If people can effectively boycott companies who trade with Israel, they can demand those companies lobby their government to put pressure on Israel to start behaving.

      " Alternatively, Israel will find new trade partners such as Russia and China – switching sides in cold war #2."

      Both China and Russia have larger concerns and have favoured those countries closer to them. Iraq, Afghanistan (Russia even tried to take it), Iran. All are better partners for Russia and China, strategically, geographically and in resources than Israel is. Their trade with Israel is miniscule in the larger picture.

      " I am still positive that they way forward lies in cracking the narrative bubbles.
      Getting Israelis to acknowledge the toll of Zionism and occupation on Palestine and take responsibility for the suffering, while getting Palestinians to realize that disunity and violence play into the hands of the Israeli narrative."

      A) The Israeli narrative has been cracked from the start, prising those cracks open for ALL to see (not just Israelis) that the Israeli narrative is empty, is only part of the battle link to talknic.wordpress.com

      However, Israelis have had a lifetime of indoctrination.

      Try to find the Israeli Plea for recognition , one of if not the most important document in the history of modern Israel, on an Israeli Government or school website. As far as Israelis are concerned Israel didn't proclaim any borders. Fed bullsh*t all their lives, Israelis have no idea what's going on.

      B) Palestinian dis-unity is fomented by Israel. Divide and conquer.

      "Where are the Israel-Palestine sites focused on bridging the gap and talking to one another? "

      Israel gaols Palestinian Israelis for opening their mouths link to mondoweiss.net

      Pro-peace Israeli websites are tolerated while they remain a tiny minority

      The Zionist Federation has been honing their skills, narrative, placement of people and money to the most effect for over a century 24/7/365 non-stop

    • @ tod77 June 23, 2015, 1:18 am

      The first part of your post is naive and depends on Israel allowing what it simply ain't going to allow companies set up in Ramallah or entertainers do concerts in Israel and Palestine

      "Another example of positive action being active rather than passive is the case of flotillas to gaza. This is the sort of pressure I personally see as effective. Have land caravans into the west bank doing the same."

      It's already been and being done. Israel has not budged and inch instead it slaughters well intentioned people and thus far has gotten away with it. It will simply kill more well intentioned people because .... Israel doesn't give a damn

      Cameras brought into the west bank by B’tselem are another good example. It’s harder for the Israeli public or world supporters to call that an antisemitic anti-Israel act. So Israel has to squirm and make up excuses. I see these as cracks in Israel’s armour."

      Agreed, already happening, but even in the face of evidence being documented by video, Israel slaughters people because .... Israel doesn't give a damn

      "You’re both suggesting that there are 2 ways of dealing with Israel – BDS or do nothing"

      Wrong. Better to consistently provide people with factual information so they can clearly determine Israel is a rogue state. link to talknic.wordpress.com

      Cameras ditto. BDS via companies who're not subject to Israeli control are already having effect.

    • @ tod77

      "I offered a strategy. You must haved missed my comments..."

      You must have missed the fact that "Israel, the Occupying Power" would refuse your suggestions as it has done for the last 67 years, preferring instead to stick to the Jewish Agency/Zionist plan to illegally acquire by force of arms, non-Israeli territory that remained of Palestine afterthe Israeli Government "proclaimed" its sovereign extent

      "I’m saying that to me it seems impractical, time consuming and possibly counterproductive."

      Israel has had 67 years to comply with International Law, the UN Charter, numerous relative conventions. It has failed. It is a rogue state.

      Your suggestion is the same as UNGA res 181, which the Jewish Agency claimed was "binding" and accepted , then after becoming a state according to its conditions (ibid), completely ignored it

      " Imagine pictures of Robbie Williams taking a tour of Hebron and interviewed stating hoiw horrified he is"

      "imagine" is the operative word. Do you really think Israel, the Occupying Power would allow it.

      "If the end goal is 1 truly democratic state (or 2 states living in peace – take your pick), Israelis and Palestinians have to learn to live together"

      Israel could simply adhere to International Law, except that now after 67 years of occupying non-Israeli territory, populating it with Jewish Israeli citizens, exploiting non-Israeli resources, dispossessing non-Jewish Israeli citizens from Israel and non-Israeli citizens from non-Israeli territory, Israel cannot now, nor has it ever been able to afford to adhere to the laws it first broke at < 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) by keeping Jewish forces from Plan Dalet, in non-Israeli territory.

      The law requires Israel to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, take it's Israeli citizens and p*ss off back to Israel as it was proclaimed and recognized in 1948, allow the return of non-Jewish Israeli citizens to Israel, allow the return of Palestinians to Palestinian territory and pay reparations for all the above, relocation for its own citizens and the class action law suits they might bring for 67 years of Israeli Government deception, compensation for dispossession of non-Jewish Israelis and Palestinians, 67 years of exploited non-Israeli resources.

      It would send the Jewish state bankrupt, the Jewish Israeli citizens not wanting to move from non-Isaeli territory would start an Israeli civil war (in non-Israeli territory). Israel would become a failed state, it has illegally created too many facts on the ground to now follow its legal obligations.

      Israel has dug its own hell hole from which it cannot legally escape without the Palestinians generosity. But even their generosity in being willing to accept only 22% of their rightful territories for peace with Israel was not enough. Israel chose to ignore it and build more illegal settlements.

      You're talking to the wrong people. Go bark at the Israeli Government and the Zionist Federation

    • @ benedict "Walls are quite normal. There is a wall separating USA and Mexico"

      Is that wall in territory occupied by the USA or Mexico? Any territory that once belonged to Mexico and is now a part of the USA, was acquired by legal annexation i.e., by a treaty or referendum of the legitimate citizens of the territory to be annexed.

      BTW by adopting that legal custom for acquiring territory, the US was largely instrumental in that legal custom eventually passing into Customary International Law, thereby outlawing the acquisition of territory by conquest. link to pages.citebite.com

      " There is a wall between Spain and morocco"

      Is that wall in territory occupied by Spain or Morocco? Perhaps it's central, between the two, under water. Look at a map, one that isn't as stupid as your statement.

      "The Israel-west bank wall was built in response to the wave of Palestinian suicide bombers coming from the WB during the el aksa intifada. I don’t see any moral problem in that."

      Maybe it's the Ziowall in front of your eyes or running thru your Ziobrain... Most countries build their defensive walls in the OWN territory. See the wall between the USA and Mexico for example. Or the amazing underwater wall between Spain and Morocco

      " In the disputed territories"

      The UNSC uses the word "Occupied Territories", 'disputed' is a weasel word used by stupid Israeli propagandists who come here thinking they can get away with bullsh*t

      " there used to be separate roads for Palestinians as a result of the frequent drive-by shooting of Israeli cars"

      GC IV is to protect all civilians, including those of "Israel, Occupying Power" from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory. Only a sick, corrupt and insane Government purposefully encourages its citizens to break a law designed to protect them.

      " almost all of these roads where reopened for general traffic"

      So there ARE separate roads... glad you eventually made up your mind

      "There are no different license plates for Arab drivers"

      There are for the occupied Arabs pal.

      Go back to the Hasbara team leaders and tell 'em they've given you a bunch of crap to work with.

  • Jewish community must 'welcome' anti-Zionist, pro-BDS Jews, Beinart says-- but Shavit says, Excommunicate them
    • @ Mooser

      Quite. The Zionist Movement's illegal policies are driving a wedge between Jewish folk. In my opinion it is by far the worst threat Judaism has ever faced

    • "There have been some medical attempts to repair circumcision"

      All they've been able to do thus far is graft a hood/covering. The erotogenic nerve endings cannot be replaced or duplicated and although the glans does become a little more sensitive thru being protected, the repaired hood doesn't fully reverse the keratinization of the glans or result in any noticeable mucosal increase lost thru circumcision (some 33–50%).

    • yonah fredman

      "If the region lucks into letting the Jews stay, fine, but otherwise I think Phil feels it would be justice for most of the Jews to leave Palestine back the way it was before the Zionist invasion. Let them move elsewhere and let the Jewish languages disappear. Phil is fine with that."

      Say .... if you don't back why you think Phil feels that way, people might think you're just another a lying, false accusing, jerk.

  • After a hard week in the news, Israeli gets valentines all weekend from NPR
    • @ Sibiriak

      "IF the civilians in the schools, hospitals, mosques etc. were being used as “human shields” (i.e., “their presence or movement is aimed or used to render military targets immune from military operations” ), then that would be a violation of international humanitarian law"

      Correct. IF they do it to render themselves immune to military operations.

      Otherwise under the laws of war, it simply becomes a belligerent target, subject to the rules of proportionality.

      Furthermore, civilian areas cannot be attacked unless they are protected. Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

      Under belligerent occupation, one is allowed to resist by whatever means, sans attacking civilians. Gaza and the West Bank are under belligerent occupation.

    • @ jon s "When did I justify the use of wp?"

      Uh? I didn't say you had pal. I leave the false accusations up to Israel's propagandists

      The photo incriminates Israel. It's daylight and not of the type used for illumination

      There were no Israeli troops on the ground in the area to hide behind the smoke and; being widely dispersed high in the air, was not for marking a target.

    • @ jon s June 20, 2015, 4:44 pm

      " A good many hours could pass before I see your comment, and can reply."

      You ran away from the question "do you have any evidence to the contrary?"

      "Finally, on topic: I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that maybe I had misunderstood you, and you were not really saying that the way Hamas uses civilian facilities for military purposes is perfectly legal."

      Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

    • Thanks for the incriminating link jon s .... keep up th' good work

      There were no Israeli troops in the UN compound. White phosphorous wasn't used to shield them from view

      It was the type dispersed in the air over a wide area. So it wasn't used to mark an enemy target

      It was used in daylight hours. So it wasn't used to illuminate

      I'm sure you'll find some other pathetic justification for it having been used, take another sip of Ziobile and get back to me ... thx

    • Seems jon s has run away

    • @ jon s

      Yes. Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary?

    • @ jon s

      "talknic, Are you really saying that using hospitals , schools, mosques and other civilian facilities for military purposes is legal ?"

      What I really wrote is still there.

      " As far as I know, it’s a violation of laws and norms"

      So cite the law ... I'll wait

      Meanwhile, I'm guessing you also 'know' belligerents are required to wear a uniform and that you also know Hamas don't wear uniforms and that you 'know' Israel didn't declare any borders.

      I'll bet you know a lot of sh*t!

    • jon s "Some of the land was purchased before British rule, under the Ottoman Empire."

      Irrelevant. Real Estate is not territory. Israel paid nothing for its territory.

      "The British initially allowed land to be bought and sold. The price was detemined by market forces, supply and demand. In the last years of their rule the British imposed restrictions, in the context of the White Paper, restricting the free market."

      In the context of the LoN Mandate for PALESTINE and everything the Zionist colonizers agreed to and then ignored.

    • Jon s June 18, 2015, 4:25 am

      "It’s undeniable that there are military and defense-related facilities in and around the city. That still doesn’t mean that the civilian population is a legitimate target, any more than the civilian population in the DC suburbs could be seen as such because of the proximity to the Pentagon."

      There is no internationally recognized ratio of collateral. An operative on the ground estimates the value of a military target, factors in the likely civilian collateral then knowingly and PURPOSEULLY fires the weapon. Civilians are purposefully made a part of the target. That's why there IS a rule on proportionality.

      " And there are plenty of other cities in the US with military facilities , think of the naval bases in San Diego and Honolulu and elsewhere."

      Once war has been initiated, any military installation or supply line or depot of the enemy is a valid target and nearby civilians can be purposefully and knowingly factored into the target.

      "The real point is that the IDF is not using hospitals, schools, synagogues and mosques and civilian homes as launching sites, weapons depots and so forth, unlike the Hamas terrorists"

      A) The IDF terrorists have no need. B) It's quite common for people under attack to use what ever they can to store and hide arms, it does not amount to 'terror' and is not illegal.

    • @ CigarGod "They bought real estate, not a country"

      and the Israeli Land Fund lie about it link to wp.me

      They've lied about everything:
      UNGA res 181 link to wp.me
      Israel did not proclaim any borders link to trumanlibrary.org
      The UN is biased against Israel link to wp.me
      Arabs are 20% of the population link to wp.me
      UNSC res 242 demanded negotiations on borders link to wp.me
      Hamas do not wear uniforms link to wp.me
      The three no's of Khartoum link to wp.me
      Making the desert bloom link to wp.me
      Israel is a democracy link to wp.me
      They'll write a constitution link to pages.citebite.com
      Never has a country gone to such extraordinary lengths to remove the enemy’s civilian population from harm’s way link to wp.me
      etc etc etc
      The stench is overwhelming

    • @ jon s

      "My family and I are civilians, living in Israel, not the occupied territories"

      Strange. Be'er Sheva has never been legally acquired by Israel by any agreement.

      "It’s the Hamas terrorists who deliberately target innocent civilians"

      A) Illegal settlers are not innocent civilians. Elsewhere B) under the Laws of War, Art. 25. it is permissible to bombard towns and villages that are defended. All Israeli cities, towns and villages are defended. Collateral is highly likely.

    • "how much was paid to the willing sellers who owned/lived on the land before Isreal took over "

      Irrelevant. Jewish settlers (pre 15th May 1948) bought 'real estate', not territory. Japanese corporations and Japanese citizens own real estate in Australia, it doesn't give them any territorial rights what so ever.

      One doesn't need a deed for territory, it belongs to all its legitimate inhabitants, whether they own real estate, rent or lease real estate or live under a bridge.

      The territory for the Jewish state cost Israel NOTHING!

    • @ jon s "I live in Be’er Sheva"

      When was Be'er Sheva legally annexed to Israel? Date, signatories on the agreement please .... thx I'll wait

      Meanwhile, Be'er Sheva was not proclaimed as Israeli in the Israeli Government's plea for recognition. link to wp.me Subsequently it has never been recognized as Israeli.

      link to talknic.files.wordpress.com

    • @ jon s June 16, 2015, 4:06 am

      " I don’t live on stolen land, unless you consider all of Israel as such"

      All Israelis benefit from Israel's illegal exploitation of non-Israeli resources in all the territories Israel has claimed to occupy since proclaiming its borders effective 00:01 May 15th 1948, none of which has ever been ceded or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement.

      "The IDF makes a real effort to reduce civilian casualties."

      Bullsh*t! Although it gives forewarning, (by dropping a bombs on roofs FFS) Israel, the Occupying Power, has had all the crossings closed including those between Gaza and Egypt under the 2005 agreement with Egypt thereby preventing civilians from fleeing a war zone, BEFORE attacking, which is illegal under Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Civilians could not even flee into the sea, because Israel controls the Palestinian territorial waters.

      "On the other side, we’ve seen how the Hamas terrorists use hospitals, schools, mosques and civilian residences for military purposes, deliberately causing civilian casualties among their own people"

      Strange. Hamas don't fall out of the sky, they are their own people. All of them have family, brothers, sisters, parents, wives, grandparents. If you think they purposefully cause their deaths you have rocks in your head.

      Israel actually needs the Palestinians to have military in civilian areas because under the Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

      However, the Palestinians have no defense against Israel's war ships miles off the coast or Israel's guided missiles or war planes. Israel's use of that weaponry is illegal. Only the US UNSC veto vote saves Israel from the law.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers violently attack unarmed Palestinian man
    • catalan

      " Not sure who the kids are at the end of the video.."

      Palestinians you stupid person

      " but their parents shouldn’t be letting them do that"

      Why? For all you know their parents might be dead from being on the receiving end of Israel's hi - tech human slaughtering equipment

      " Risky"

      Only because Israel shoots children

      "BDS is hurting Israel but not helping the Palestinians. As seen above."

      As seen above where/how?

    • @ Jackdaw Point this alleged "blatant provocation" out on the time line buddy.

      Don't forget to include the alleged fire bombs .... thx

    • Sure matti, sure ...

      Nothing the IDF says or said to justify Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territory should be taken on face value

      The victim is a gutsy guy, barely containing an anger likely born of a life time under occupation. I'd hug him if I could.

      The IDF .. a pathetic bunch of sadistic abusers.

    • @ Mike_Konrad June

      "I would love to see what the preceding 5 minutes showed"

      A) How would it justify the unwarranted IDF violence that followed. Your honest answer would be appreciated

      B) Do you have evidence it was there was any preceding 5 minutes of video footage to edit out? It might not have been a magical Ziocamera that runs 24/365

  • The peace process is 'a savior for war' -- Ari Shavit
    • Ari Shavit has become another pathetic pundit earning his living off the occupation and living in a comfortable dream world.

      Israel should simply get out of all non-Israeli territory, as required by law.

  • It's the borders, stupid (forget the BDS hysteria)
    • @ ivri the mind reader "What he meant to say"

      Sipping from the cesspool of Zionist propaganda endows one with amazing abilities that mere mortals will never enjoy

  • How will Sheldon save Israel?
  • Untold Stories: First-ever US Nakba Museum opens in Washington DC
    • @ yonah fredman //Ellen- “which is robbing a people of its history and identity.” //

      "which people is that? The Palestinians? The American Jews? The Americans? The blacks? Or all of the above?"

      The Holocaust museum, of which strangely there are more in the US than in any other country in the world, overshadows the history of the Synagogue (American Jews). There is no Nakba memorial, no memorial to the American Negroes

  • 'You have dual citizenship with Israel' -- NPR host hits Sanders with internet canard
    • @ DaBakr "You do realize that approx.. 94% of Jews in the world identify as Zionist. "

      Source please

    • @ Schecky I see no reason why a Jew couldn’t be President"

      Except of course odds are against any such minority

      "unless all voters are racist and they’re not"

      Ah yes .... statistics are so racist, sad and shallow. I understand your need

    • @ DaBakr June 11, 2015, 10:31 pm

      A Jew for President. Interesting. I wonder ...... a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Rastafarian or any other minority religious group ..... Mmmmmm.

      Good olde religion free statistics indicate that odds are, it will never happen.

    • @ yonah fredman "Something wrong or inefficient presenting it as a fact"

      Oh my how life threatening!!

      "Sloppy journalism or malicious journalism. I don’t blame Rehm. Someone on her staff’s head should roll."

      Go roll some heads at Hasbara central

      Israel's apologists trolls and politicians roll around in malicious sloppy mierde that results in slaughtering people.

  • The Peter Beinart Double Standard: Why is this boycott different from all other boycotts?
    • @ pabelmont " I think this is true in the sense that a fully implemented PRoR would flood Israel-48 with so many Palestinians (including refugees/exiles from Gaza and West Bank and Jordan, as I understand the matter) that Israel-48 would no longer have a large Jewish majority and perhaps no Jewish majority at all."

      Not so. Only the dispossessed non-Jewish Israeli inhabitantshave a right to return to Israel 1948. They are now far outnumbered by Jewish Israelis.

      The remainder and by far the majority only have a right to return to non-Israeli territory in Palestine.

      The real demographic threat is in the non-Israeli territories acquired by war and illegally claimed by Israel since May 15th 1948, none of which has yet been legally annexed to Israel.

  • Schumer says Jewish and American interests on Iran deal differ but he has 'to do what's right for U.S.'
    • @ catalan

      //“But if they’re Jews landing in Israel, they’re … uh …. Jews! – ” talknic//

      "Just like Birthers believe Obama was born in Kenya, people such as yourself will believe their conspiracy theories"

      Sorry pal. I don't do conspiracy theories. If if they’re Jews landing in Israel, they’re Jews. You wrote it yourself

      The stuff about automatic citizenship for Jews landing in Israel is just pure non sense. For one, it doesn’t even make sense, since you have to prove you are Jewish before going to Israel. If you don’t do that you have to go through all the red tape in Israel.

      "There is no automatic citizenship bestowed on Jews when they arrive in Israel"

      All Jews have a right to citizenship in Israel link to pages.citebite.com

      " human errors occur, that’s what I do for a living, looking for human errors"

      Look in a mirror

      "Nonetheless, legally, there is a series of steps that has to be undertaken prior to a person obtaining citizenship in Israel. "

      Indeed. Same as any country. However only Israel opens the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew regardless of their current citizenship or whether they actually have ties to the land or not or even any Jewish DNA or not link to haaretz.com

    • Hey catalan get your guide dog to read what you wrote and explain it to you

      “The stuff about automatic citizenship for Jews landing in Israel is just pure non sense. For one, it doesn’t even make sense, since you have to prove you are Jewish before going to Israel.

      If you don’t do that you have to go through all the red tape in Israel."

      But if they're Jews landing in Israel, they're ... uh .... Jews!

      " If people want to believe that every Jew visiting Israel becomes a citizen.."

      Where was "every" Jew stated?

  • Soldiers expel 200 Palestinians from pool to allow settlers to bathe
    • @ Down under girl

      "Suppose if you are thick and gullible enough to believe what B’Tselem tells you, you’d believe anything"

      Rrrrright .... so tell us, is the report wrong? Not true?

      If you are thick and gullible enough to believe illegal Israeli settlers are allowed in Occupied Territories under Israeli military control, you'll believe anything

    • @ RobertHenryEller

      This is rather more apt methinks link to talknic.files.wordpress.com

  • Is BDS practicing a double standard with respect to Arab countries?
    • Or a Hasbara pay check. I don't believe they make fools of themselves voluntarily

    • @ yonah fredman "I will remind you of the real gun in Arafat’s holster and the illusion of an olive branch in his hand when he spoke to the UN in 74″

      I'm betting if no one fed the Ziotrolls here they'd think they're on a roll and their lies would become even more outrageous

    • @ yonah fredman " I will remind you of the real gun in Arafat’s holster and the illusion of an olive branch in his hand when he spoke to the UN in 74"

      Uh huh. Even WikI/Pedia refutes your stupid assertion. If you believe the UN is gonna allow a real gun, even an empty gun, an empty replica gun or even an empty toy gun, onto the podium, there are numerous bridges you can acquire, very cheap. Very very cheap!

      All you've done is remind us of how supporters of Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territory are really stupid liars

      " If you think the PLO charter was a peaceful kumbaya document"

      Why would it be? It was written whilst at war, for war. It does however have a caveat the Hasbarristers never cite

      Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      I have a bridge in Brooklyn that’s looking for a new owner. Interested?"

      Nope . Like Israelis who've been sold land in territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine", if you were stupid enough to buy a bridge in Brooklyn ...

    • @ echinococcus June 10, 2015, 4:42 pm

      " Keep your opinions by all means, but please avoid this kind of tendentious presentation"

      I've not made any such presentation

      " A good number of people are boycotting everything even vaguely marked “Israel”"

      Ditto, for the simple reason that the State of Israel has been responsible for the State of Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories for the last 67 years.

    • Shingo "Wow Talknic, are you really in Sydney?"

      Yes.

      " That address is 5-10 mins from where I live"

      40 minute walk from where I live

    • @ yonah fredman " BDS’s goal is not limited to the West Bank, but wishes to undo Israel. (a short hand term that means that BDS wishes to change the demography as soon as possible to a singular state with an Arab majority. "

      How? Only non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were dispossessed have a right to return to Israel and they are now by far outnumbered by Jewish Israelis.

      Other Palestine refugees, who are by far the majority of refugees do not have RoR to Israel. They have RoR to what remained of Palestine after Israel was declared independent of Palestine.

    • @ ivri

      "Don`t forget to boycott also Intel, Google ..",

      A) The Intel stuff in my computer is made in China and Taiwan. Are they in the Occupied Territories or Israel?

      B) Google.co.il is in the Technology Center, Haifa, 3190500, Israel, not the Occupied Territories.

      C) I use Google.com.au Level 5, 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont, NSW 2009 Australia, not the Occupied Territories or Israel.

      " and all the rest of the hi-tech/Internet giants – their contribution to Israel`s economy ..."

      'all the rest'? A) You're delusional B) Do they operate from the Occupied Territories?

      "And to be on the safe side also throw away all electronic gadgets you have"

      If someone already has them, throwing them away ain't gonna make any difference you stupid person. Far better to use them to help expose Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories.

    • @ Steve Grover Just finished with a run. I’m enjoying some Strauss Hummus and some soda water made with my SodaStream and a Jaffa orange while reading this. Can’t find Israeli made pita so I’m having NorthShore Bakery Pita.

      A) Now you're running off at the mouth, telling us you're in Australia, Sydney and you support the illegal exploitation of non-Israeli resources by Israeli companies, a war crime

      What a clever little propagandist. What if some extremist did a search for Grover S in the White pages and decided to teach you a lesson? Does your family know you're an idiot?

      B) Australia has imports of Jaffa grapefruit from Mehadrin Tnuport Export (MTEX), Beqa’ot, the illegal Israeli settlement in the Jordan Valley. Your Jaffa orange is more likely from Australia or China than the war criminals MTEX

  • Obama's disgust for Netanyahu's 'stink' signals coming era of Jewish persecution in the U.S., says 'Tablet'
    • @ catalan "mentioning that about 10 percent of the world’s women including 80 percent of Egyptian women are subjected to gruesome, often public sadism and torture with lifelong physical effects is Hasbara."

      If you says so ... no one else has

      "But I agree, antisemitism is not a big issue. It exists, of course, but is harmless.."

      If you say so ... no one here has

      Do you have anything on topic to say that isn't ziotrollpoop

  • Supreme Court slam dunks the Israel lobby on Jerusalem, 6-3 (and Rubio, Oren, and Engel are angry)
  • Notes from the Munayyer-Beinart debate
  • 48 Years Ago: Commemorating the ’67 War
    • edwardm "A minor quibble "

      Cute pun

    • The damned piano deprives people of so much music

    • @ Misterioso Professor Gerald M Adler's article is littered with blatant Ziopoop

      Some of his droppings ( I really can't be bothered with all of it)

      " Cheryl Rubenberg: “…it seems apparent that Israel would have attacked Jordan [i.e., given the fact that King Abdullah’s annexation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem had been declared illegal by all other Arab states, the UNSC and the U.S."

      A) Israel attacked Jordan 1966 link to unispal.un.org

      B) The West Bank as it is now known, was legally annexed at the request of the Palestinians Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) at the insistence of the Arab states

      C) There is no UNSC condemnation of that annexation. The annexation was by agreement, i.e., self determination per the UN Charter

      D) The US condemnation is on record ... yes? Please provide

      The US as early as the mid 1800's adopted the legal custom of having an agreement with the legitimate citizens of the territory to be annexed before taking it to a vote in the US to also agree to annexation. See the Annexation of Texas, Hawaii, even Alaska. By adopting that legal custom for annexation, the US was instrumental in that legal custom eventually passing into Customary International Law

      Earlier in the article: link to sixdaywar.co.uk "Egyptian blockade against Israeli shipping in international waters - Straits of Tiran - and the failure of the maritime nations to honour their undertakings given to Israel following the Suez Campaign, to challenge that blockade, if imposed by Egypt;"

      It was never imposed because it was never challenged. IOW no blockade actually took place.

      "Having been denied access by Jordan to its most holy places in Jerusalem "

      It's NORMAL for hostile entities at war to either intern or expel possible allies of their enemies A) Israeli emergency Law of 1948 prohibited Israeli citizens and residents from entering the territory of the hostile entity Jordan. B) Jordan naturally reciprocated, quite NORMAL. C) It's also normal to allow their release and/or return after hostilities have ended

    • @ Jackdaw June 8, 2015, 4:31 pm

      "Israel begged Jordan to stay out of the ’67 War"

      You're spouting un-supportable bullsh*t again. The UNSC was already condemning Israel for it's un-provoked and un-warranted attacks in 1966 link to unispal.un.org

      Go whine and bitch to your minders, ask for some new material, you're looking like an idiot

  • People behind BDS are also responsible for 9/11 attack, Israeli centrist tells NY synagogue
    • Kay24 "Just when you think the zionists cannot get lower, they surprise you"

      Evil has no nationality, race, religion, morality, allegiance or bottom line.

  • Human rights organizations condemn Sheldon Adelson-led anti-BDS meeting
    • @ hophmi //“those working for freedom and equality for all peoples of the region”//

      You’ve said less than zero on the freedom of others in the Middle East.

      The others aren't "in Palestine and Israel", the region being discussed


      "The contrast between those who are for the status quo of occupation and apartheid in Palestine and Israel, and those working for freedom and equality for all peoples of the region could not be more clear"

      Your dishonesty is impeccable, serving only to display to readers that they cannot trust anything you say

      Keep up the good work

  • Munayyer and Beinart's historic debate on the solution to the conflict
    • @ catalan // You can visit or pass thru. Immigrating to any of the states in the European union is another matter! – ” //

      "I can work without restrictions, live and be elected to municipal office in any EU country. Any Bulgarian citizen can. There is no limitation on this right"

      You cannot automatically change your citizenship to that of another EU state.

      "I am also entitled to Portuguese citizenship if I prove that I am a Sephardic Jew. I do not need to prove any lineal descent as you say."

      As I say? As the Portuguese Government say pal! link to timesofisrael.com

      "Finally, Canada has a point system for immigration, and accountants who speak French receive a lot of points. I can immigrate any time."

      Not simply based on being an accountant.

      "What is it that you don’t understand that Israel’s immigration policies have zero bearing on me? What do I care if they invite all Jews or some Jews or no Jews?"

      For someone who doesn't care you push an awful lot of Israeli propaganda.

    • @ catalan

      //“You can’t move to Israel simply because of your name. You can if you’re Jewish. – ” //

      "I was speaking figuratively. I can move to Portugal simply because I am Sephardic Jewish, just like with Israel"

      Nonsense. You'd have to have had a lineal descendant who had once lived in Portugal and was expelled

      "Anyway, I don’t agree that Israel is my state because of its immigration laws and some pronouncements that they have made. The fact is that I don’t speak Hebrew, I am not familiar with the culture, I haven’t studied there, worked there, or served in the military"

      Take it up with the Israeli Government link to pages.citebite.com

      "As an accountant, I can easily emigrate to Canada, Australia or New Zealand"

      As an accountant? Bullsh*t!

      " As an EU citizen I can move to France, Germany, or any other EU country"

      More bullsh*t. You can visit or pass thru. Immigrating to any of the states in the European union is another matter!

      "Therefore, it is clear that Israel is no sense my country, as I can move to any number of countries based on criteria that are not religious. I do like visiting Israel as a tourist but have no time to do that really either.
      So, Israel is clearly not my country. Its laws and policies are made by people for whom I don’t vote. Because I am a U.S. Citizen and pay taxes here, that is the only country I have"

      So why do you spend an inordinate amount of time bullsh*tting in defense of Israel's clearly illegal activities in non-Israeli territories?

    • @ echinococcus

      Personally I think the International Community conceding to the Zionist Colonial enterprise's demands was a huge mistake. The LoN Mandate for Palestine being the better of all the plans and options in the face of Zionist demands

      Were Israel to have adhered to the Jewish Agency's pre-state statements to the UN and UNSC and were Israel to have adhered to its Declaration and were Israel to have adhered to International Law and the Rights and Duties of States and to the UN Charter and to the relative conventions, there would not have been mass dispossession, war, occupation, illegal settlements outside of Israel, in-equality of citizenship et al.

      However, Zionist Federation, the Jewish Agency lied and Israel thus far has failed to live up to its obligations. It is a rogue state.

      Israel now exists whether we agree or like it or not, it should now be held to it's word and legal obligations, especially by those people it claims to represent, I'm one of those people.

      " Do you seriously believe some fairy tales from Ben Gurion times about equal rights, all inhabitants, etc., while the massacres and expulsions were still going on?"

      No.

      "As for the rights of the invaders’ offspring, instead of starting already to preach “compassion”, what with their unlimited immigration right to the US and multiple passports, how about leaving them to the future developments to decide?"

      They don't have any 'rights' in non-Israeli territories. Compassion for those who have been unwittingly deceived is an entirely different matter

    • @ catalan June 6, 2015, 10:31 pm

      "My son, an American boy with no connections to Bulgaria, can move there any time due to my citizenship. That doesn’t make him Bulgarian"

      A) If he immigrates to Bulgaria he'd be required to get citizenship.

      B) If his mother is Jewish he can move to Israel. He cannot move to Bulgaria because he's Jewish

      Like I said, I can also move to Portugal, and soon Spain, simply because of my name, nothing more

      You can't move to Israel simply because of your name. You can if you're Jewish.

      "I have no legal connection to Israel. Or to other Jews like you..."

      A) Never the less if you're Jewish you can immigrate to Israel, despite your name or current nationality. You cannot move to ANY other country on the planet based on a similar criteria

      B) You only have connect with Jews who believe Israel is exempt from breaking International Law, the UN Charter, relative conventions that were adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis.

    • @ pabelmont

      " the “we’ve had our self-determined state for 67 years” makes you out to be an Israeli, and by context an Israeli Jew. Was this the intended communication?"

      No, no and no. My profile is clear link to mondoweiss.net and the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel tells me it is as much my state as it is any other Jewish person's state. It also tells me it was to be equally the state of all its inhabitants. It has failed

      That's why I'm here. I'd like my Jewish People's Homeland State to be a law abiding member of the International Comity of Nations living at least up to the basic common sense tenets of Judaism which, even tho I'm a devout atheist, I still try to live by.

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      @ echinococcus

      catalan is a lying propagandist deceitfully attempting to score points for an illegal enterprise.

      I also have a bad taste in my mouth which comes from the fact that the legitimate population of Palestine was not consulted in regards to partition and; now that Israel does exist whether we agree or like it or not, aside from the plight of Palestinians and non-Jewish Israelis dispossessed and slaughtered by Israel, there are millions of innocent and factually naive Israelis, mothers, fathers, children caught up in the Zionist enterprise who've been fed a diet of bullsh*t for 67 years. If compassion is not also shown for them, we have failed.

      Had successive Israeli Governments adhered to the conditions undertaken by declaring statehood per UNGA res 181 and adhered to their declaration of statehood and adhered to International Law and the UN Charter it was quite possible that ...... but they didn't and Israel to this day lives in contempt of International law, the UN Charter and worse, in complete contempt of the basic common sense tenets of Judaism.

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      catalan "I am Jewish. Israel is open to Jewish immigration. How does that make Israel my state? "

      Go argue with the Zionist Movement

      The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles;

      Portugal is also open to Sephardic Jews. Does that make Portugal my state?

      I don't believe Portugal was mentioned in the Partition Plan accepted on behalf of all Jewish persons. Nor is Portugal mentioned in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.

      "No. My state, with all its flaws, is the United States."

      You also have the option of moving to the Jewish People's Homeland State of Israel for no other reason than you're Jewish. I don't believe any other state in the world makes such an offer.

      " Hey, so long as that makes the haters unhappy, it gives me a reason to stick around

      Whatever drivel you need to post to keep your bile flowing

    • @ catalan Article 1 of the current Bulgarian constitution defines Bulgaria as a social, democratic and Christian Orthodox country. I am Jewish and about 15 percent of the population were Muslim. Is Bulgaria a supremacist state?"

      I know it's almost impossible for an apologist for Israel's crimes, but please try to answer honestly. Is Bulgaria dispossessing people because they're not Christian Orthodox? Is it in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions by illegally acquiring for the Christian Orthodox the territory of non-Christian Orthodox?

      " I mean, I wasn’t bothered by it, but still, how is a Muslim or a Jew supposed to feel about it."

      If you weren't bothered by it and it didn't restrict or harm you in any way ... you simply don't have a point

      " Greece, Russia and several other European countries, including members of the EU have such references in the constitution"

      Are they in breach of hundreds of U+NSC resolutions for dispossessing people based on their religion/s?

      " ... the ruling block in Germany is the Christian Democrats and the social Christian Union from Bavaria. What is a German Jew or Muslim to make of the fact that the ruling party espouses Christian principles."

      If they don't restrict or harm Jews and/or Muslims in any way ... you don't have a point

      "Even if the laws of Germany are not biased against Jews, a good case can be made that the name of the ruling party breaches the line between state and church"

      Nonsense. They rule by the laws of the land.

      ."The thing is, if the vast majority of countries espouse a religion, or a pseudo religion like communism, then religious supremacism as you call it is the rule"

      Only if they rule as Israel does, favouring people by their being Jewish

      Did you have a point other than failing to justify anything by your inane idiotic whataboutery?

    • @ catalan June 5, 2015, 8:59 pm

      "We? I thought you were an Australian. I am an American. Who is the “we” in question? I certainly don’t “have” Israel"

      You're not Jewish? WOW!

      The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

    • hophmi June 5, 2015, 5:06 pm

      "So, basically, Munayyer thinks Jews have no right to self-determination"

      Strange. We've had our self determined state for 67 years. It's now in its 67th year of breaching International Law and 66th year of breaching the UN Charter in territories outside its proclaimed and only recognized borders, preventing the self determination of the Palestinians, preventing non-Jewish Israeli refugees it dispossessed from returning to Israel and preventing Palestinian refugees it dispossessed from returning to Palestine.

      Creeps like yourself are as far away from the basic tenets of Judaism as it is possible to get and the harder you try to justify the unjustifiable the more you prove yourself to be a stupid a very very stupid slime merchant for Israels crimes

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