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talknic

An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace

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  • New York TV stations smear Roger Waters-- who praises BDS as 'one of most admirable pieces of resistance world has seen'
    • @ Ms. Reality September 18, 2017, 8:07 pm

      "Jordan also denies rights to Palestinian Arabs. Why does Roger Waters never say a word about that?"

      A) Cite some instances ... thx Remember, all full citizens of Jordan are Jordanian BTW

      and

      Name a country that gives all citizen rights to non citizen residents and/or refugees and/or illegal immigrants ... thx

  • Charlottesville is moment of truth for empowered U.S. Zionists (who name their children after Israeli generals)
    • @ Jack Green August 19, 2017, 9:14 pm

      "talknic

      “pay the price?”

      Millions of Jews have come here to the USA.
      Have I paid a price? No!
      America is better off because Jews came here.
      The have contributed to medicine (polio vaccine), academia, retail, Broadway, Hollywood,
      hi tech, etc.

      Jewish immigrants to Israel drained the swamps thereby reducing the mosquito population thereby increasing the health of both Jew & Arab. Putting unused land into cultivation improved the economy."

      What has it to do with the Palestinians or the Zionist 1897 plan to colonize Palestine?

    • @ Jack Green

      Don't you ever tire of spouting nonsensical Zionist arguments?

      "Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews"

      So why are the Palestinians to pay the price? Especially when Germany is paying compensation and allowing return of German Jews AND their lineal descendants?

      " the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it"

      It’s NORMAL for countries at war to expel or intern and to seize and freeze the assets of possible allies of their enemies as did Australia, the US the UK to their citizens of Japanese German and Italian descent in WW2. It's also normal not to allow entry of possible allies of one's enemies, even if they are refugees especially without proper documentation, entry permits etc

      It’s also NORMAL to release, allow the return of and unfreeze their assets at war’s end except of course if they have taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return, whereby they forgo any refugee status.

      If Israel were to pursue compensation from the the Arab countries, it would be an admission that such rights exist and Israel is not and has never been in the financial position to afford to compensate those it dispossessed

      BTW the 500,000 Arab Jews taking up citizenship in Israel ensured a Jewish majority for the future of the Zionist colonization project.

      " There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis."

      Nonsense. The Holocaust was well underway before German/ Polish and other European Jews tried to escape

  • The Israeli right can't condemn Charlottesville because its whispered policy is, Nakba
    • @ Semsem El Eini

      It's NORMAL for countries at war to expel or intern and to seize and freeze the assets of possible allies of their enemies as did Australia, the US the UK to their citizens of Japanese German and Italian descent in WW2.

      It's also NORMAL to release, allow the return of and unfreeze their assets at war's end except of course if they have taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return, whereby they forgo any refugee status.

      If Israel were to pursue compensation from the the Arab countries, it would be an admission that such rights exist and Israel is not and has never been in the financial position to afford to compensate those it dispossessed

      BTW the 500,000 Arab Jews taking up citizenship in Israel ensured a Jewish majority for the future of the Zionist colonization project.

      I'm sure you have plenty of other stupid Zionist arguments

  • 'Transferring' Palestinian citizens of Israel to a Palestinian state goes from outrage to Netanyahu policy
    • @ Jack Green August 4, 2017, 9:27 pm

      "What percent of Palestine was owned by Palestinians in 1900
      What percent of Palestinians owned land in 1900?"

      Territory belongs to all its legitimate inhabitants whether they own real estate, rent or lease real estate or live homeless under a bridge.

  • Three settlers stabbed to death and three Palestinians shot dead in turmoil over security measures at al-Aqsa mosque compound (Updated)
    • @ Mayhem

      Jerusalem isn't in Israel, nor is it Israeli. corpus separatum was never instituted. Jerusalem was never officially separated from Palestine

  • Bill making it a federal crime to support BDS sends shockwaves through progressive community
  • At NY premiere, David Grossman will join Netanyahu minister who boycotts Darwish
  • Israel charges UNESCO with 'Fake history'
  • Israel slams UNESCO World Heritage decision on Hebron as Palestinians celebrate 12-3 vote in favor
    • @ Nathan July 17, 2017, 8:19 pm

      "Talknic – I would imagine that your out-of-control rudeness is an emotional problem. Did you have a difficult childhood?"

      Uh? Propagandists for the putrid Zionist Colonization of Palestine project aren't deserving of any respect. I don't care that you might be offended.

    • @ echinococcus July 16, 2017, 2:48 pm

      "Thank you for demonstrating the contradiction in Talknic’s continuous argument to recognize squatting rights to the Zionist invaders"

      You're delusional. The Zionist state was recognized by the International Comity of Nations. It's simply a fact. Has nothing to do with me or what I'd like to see or what I think is wrong or right. The person reading the weather report isn't responsible for the weather

      @ Nathan July 16, 2017, 3:20 am

      "according to the Partition Plan a Jew residing in the proposed Arab State can become a citizen in the proposed Jewish state."

      That's right and by which they are then prohibited from permanently residing in the Arab State as citizens of the Jewish State without an appropriate Arab State permission. It's NORMAL. The same as Australian immigration law and probably every other State on the planet except in the diseased mind of a ZioFool

      " In other words, ... ... ... "

      No thanks. The actual words are the only words applicable.

      "You take the position that only the borders of the Partition Plan are legitimate."

      No. What I have done is point out the fact that they are the borders proclaimed by Israel in its plea for recognition and recognized as Israeli by a majority of the International Community of Nations, legitimate or not and the fact that no country has ever recognized any territories Israel has acquired by war since proclaiming those borders

      " but you don’t accept the very legitimacy of the Partition Plan"

      It was completely against the UN Charter. Never the less, Israel now exists. Legitimate or not. As such it should be held responsible to it's legal obligations, held to the laws it claimed it would uphold in order to be recognized, withdraw, pay reparations

      " Should one understand your position to be that at first Israel should withdraw to the Partition Plan borders, and then afterwards you propose fighting the legitimacy of the Jewish state even in the borders that you “agree” to?"

      The Palestinian have the right to pursue their full legal rights. Israel has no valid legal claim to any territories outside of those borders by which it was recognized.

      "Obviously, it’s silly to think that such a ploy would succeed"

      What ploy? It's simply one of the many legal options open to the Palestinians. I doubt it will ever come to pass for the simple reason that the Palestinians have stated they'd give/cede 78% of their rightfull territories to Israel for peace.

      "The important issue is the intellectual sneakiness"

      Uh huh. Stating the facts against the Hasbara is like holy water to Nosferatu

      "Just state your opinion that the Jewish state shouldn’t exist. That’s your ideology, and there’s no need to pretend that it’s an issue of international law."

      But it does exist! I should deny reality because of what you think my ideology should be? No thanks

      "Finally, why are you such a rude person? It shouldn’t be such a difficult task to tell someone that you disagree (“chewing gum”) while at the same time maintaining the basic rules of politeness (“walking in a straight line”). "

      Why be polite to anyone who supports liars, cheats and the slaughter of innocents by the Zionist Colonization program?

      "Good luck facing the challenge of normal human relations"

      Zionism has no place in normal human relations.

    • @ Nathan. You're an idiot.

      1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident

      worth repeating ... shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident

    • @ Nathan July 12, 2017, 8:03 pm

      " you should note that according to the Partition Plan one could live in the territory of the proposed Arab state and be a citizen of the proposed Jewish state (and vice versa). So, a Jew could be born outside the borders of the Jewish state and still be a citizen thereof. It’s quite boring to read the Partition Plan, but you might want to make the effort."

      Uh huh ... Quote verbatim support for your bizarre ZioTheory https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/UNISPAL.NSF/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

  • Anti-Semitism accusations against 'Dyke March' prove pro-Israel lobby will torch LGBT rights for marginalized people
    • @ Talkback July 9, 2017, 8:51 am

      Talknic: “A) The Montevideo Convention was adopted into the UN Charter 1945.”

      Again you fail to prove your this repetitive claim

      It is inadmissible to acquire territory by war/any coercive measure. Reflected in UNSC res 242. Reflected in UNSC res 252 and its nine reminders re the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem.

      " you fail to acknowledge that even Palestine does NOT contest Ashdod to be de jure a part of Israel. "

      The Palestinians via their declaration are prepared to cede the territory to a state that has yet to accept by any agreement. It is therefore de facto, not de jure.

      "Neither do other states that recognizes Israel and who support a two state solution"

      de facto is not de jure. Trade and/or relationships with another country and Israel are not an agreement between Israel and Palestine legalizing borders between Palestine and Israel.

      Talknic: “The 1988 Palestinian Declaration was by a body representing the Palestinian majority!”

      " Israel’s body didn’t represent the majority of the citizens of Palestine within partition borders since most Jews were and had not become citizens of Palestine."

      A) I'm talking about the Palestinian declaration. B) Re Israel, I agree. I've not asserted that the Israeli declaration or subsequent recognition was legitimate even tho Israel was recognized within the recommended borders of UNGA res 181 by the majority of the International Comity of Nations at the time.

      Talknic: “I concur.”

      "But its not the unust FACT that you constantly repeat. And exactly this leaves the impression that you would sanction its creation within partition borders, because this FACT was recognized by the UN. "

      A) The UN doesn't recognize countries. Recognition happens amongst the International Comity of Nations prior to the UN Security Council then recommending already recognized states for Membership. B) No. I base my opinion and argument on the 1988 Palestinian declaration.

      "The same UN which in FACT rejected proposals tp refer the Question of Palestine to the International Court of Justice and in FACT also the question of the power of the its General Assembly to make recommendations which in FACT violate the territorial integrity and the right to self determination as reflected in FACT by its rejection to hold a referendum in Palestine."

      I concur. So did Balfour http://wp.me/PDB7k-Q#jews-can-live-anywhere

      Talknic: “Jews didn’t actually have the right, only a body representative of the majority of the legitimate inhabitants of a territory has that right.”

      "So the “Jewish Agency” didn’t even have the right to secede and declare since they were not representing the majority of citizens within partition borders (because most Jews weren’t citizens of Palestine) and acquire any territory."

      That's right. Never the less the International Comity of Nations recognized Israel based on the Israeli plea for recognition. Today, like it or not,the conflict is with the State of Israel.

      "And your initial statement “[Israel’s] declared and recognized territories were acquired through secession and declaration” is not only nonsense but misleading, because it ommits it’s illegality and how its territory actually came into its posession."

      Israel didn't exist until 00:01 May 15th 1948, prior to which Jewish terrorists controlled territories as assigned to the Jewish state under UNGA res 181 and under Plan DAlet, beyond those borders. What lay beyond Israel's recognized borders have never been recognized by any state as Israeli

      Talknic: “it was on the basis of Zionist/Jewish Agency lies that the International Comity of Nations recognized Israel and UNGA accepted Israel into the UN. I’ve never claimed it was correct or legal.”

      "The Jewish Agency lmade very clear what their position was regarding boundaries and refugees being both subject to negotiations of a final peace agreements and the UN even refered to these declaration and statements in its resolution when it accepted Israel. You may never claimed it was correct or legal, but you also never focus on it."

      The UN referred to the statements being made. That's all it did. So what? Why focus on something that had no effect, even after Israel was admitted to the UN it was still trying in Aug 1949 to no effect to claim, without negotiation with Palestine, territories it occupied post 00:01 May 15th 1948

      "The point of issue is that even the State of Palestine DOES NOT contest that Ashod is a part of Israel. Like all other state who recognize Israel DO NOT. too. But you are living in the delusion that all states who recognize Israel do not “de jure” recognize Ashdod to be in Israel, but that they “de jure” recognize it as occupied Palestinian territory."

      Get back to me when de facto = de jure and there is an agreement between Israel and Palestine.

      Talknic: “You can quote it as many times as you like. The Israeli statements were lies and the subsequent acceptance into the UN has not changed. ”

      You can claim this as many times as you like. But just quote the lies of Israel’s statement regarding to terrtorial and other differences as being subject of “a process of negotiation”."

      Sure.

      Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

      Israel has ignored International Law and it's proclaimed borders.

      Talknic: “The UN/UNSC doesn’t directly censure non-Member states.”

      "It even censures non state actors who declare non menber states ... ... ... United Nations Security Council resolution 541

      As with the previous example offered elsewhere, the authorities were censured. The authorities are not the State

      "So far according to your nonsense ISIL could legally create a state by illegaly acquiring its territory and according to the right to self determination as long as it makes sure that it represents the majority of its inhabitans by killing or expelling everyone else and by a simple declaration. "

      If you say so. I haven't.

      "And all of this because of the Montevideo Concention. And the newly created state can’t be held censured, especially if it is not a UN member. ROF"

      You've yet to provide an instance where a non-member STATE is directly censured. Your example on Cypres censure the Authorities, not the State. The State exists regardless of what authorities administer it. The State is a member or not, not the authorities.

    • Talkback July 8, 2017, 8:42 am

      "Sibiriak: “There has never been a UN resolution or ICJ opinion that has affirmed that Israeli territory was illegally acquired within the “Green Line” .”

      That’s the other side of the scam, but one Talknic fails to acknowledge."

      Nonsense. I have in fact addressed it now many times. The UN/UNSC doesn't directly censure non-Member states. It instead addresses the administrative parties to the conflict, without naming the state. The Jewish agency legal team was well aware of the machinations of the UN and have played it to the full.

    • Boris July 6, 2017, 11:37 pm

      "An ethnic German, whose ancestors lived in Russia for centuries, can move to Germany based on their Law of Return.

      Why can’t Jews have it?

      We do you stupid stupid person . http://forward.com/news/154277/jews-stream-back-to-germany/

    • A) The Montevideo Convention was adopted into the UN Charter 1945. It is inadmissible to acquire territory by any coercive measure, making it by default illegal for Member states to recognize territories acquired by war.

      Re Ashdod. de facto recognition is not de jure. No state has ever recognized any territories acquired by the State of Israel by war since the Israeli plea for recognition

      B) No one has been able to show me a UNSC resolution directly censuring and directly naming a non-member state. The examples previously shown me plead with parties to the issue without actually naming the state. Until Membership, "Israel", was not named in any UNSC resolution other than those dealing with its admission to the UN

      C) echinococcus July 7, 2017, 8:38 am

      "You never, ever even tried to respond to a single one of the multiple objections raised to your unceasing repetition of the same irrelevant statements."

      Nonsense, I am answering to your opinion. As to 'repetition of the same irrelevant statements', the fact that the Palestinians have declared their state hasn't changed, nor has the fact that Palestine, as declared, has been recognized by the majority of the International Comity of Nations.

      " your continuous defense of simultaneous A and non-A. This reaches insanity"

      I have based my opinion and argument in accordance with the Palestinian declaration of statehood, same as the ICJ opinion as asked by the Palestinians

      D) The ICJ gave an opinion only, based on specific questions asked by the Palestinians which were in turn based on the Palestinian stance per their declaration of statehood. Were the ICJ asked to make a ruling on the same questions, it would of course assign what the Palestinians have ceded to Israel as Israeli from the Palestinian POV despite the fact that Israel has yet to accept or place any limitations on its expansionism. The ICJ has not yet been asked for or delivered a ruling and Israel has not yet accepted any limitations to its illegal expansionist ideals

      E) Talkback July 8, 2017, 8:34 am

      Talknic: “Declaration can be a decision by the majority of the inhabitants.”

      "Here go again. The same boring repetitions. Yes, it CAN be, what a strawman. So what?

      First of all the right to territorial integrity is enshrined in the UN. "

      The 1988 Palestinian Declaration was by a body representing the Palestinian majority! I'd really be interested in you pointing out where and when the Palestinians rescinded their declaration of statehood and was un-recognized by the those states who have already given recognition to the Palestinian territorial claims.

      "When it comes to the right to self determination only the citizens of Palestine had the right to exercise it within Palestine. Jewish citizens of Palestine were NOT a nation on their own and therefore “Jewish” is not the citizenship of the newly created state. Most of the Jews weren’t even citizens of Palestine, so there wasn’t a majority of Jews within proposed partition borders. And not a single citizen within proposed partition borders was asked by referendum, not even Jews.

      I concur. http://wp.me/PDB7k-Q#jews-can-live-anywhere and why Palestine, even tho it has declared its territories, in effect ceding 78% of its territories to Israel and thereby forgoing the right to persistent objection, http://mondoweiss.net/profile/talknic/?keyword=persistent+objection might still pursue the notions put forward by echinococcus and massive compensations far beyond what echinococcus puts forward

      "The declaration of Israel even violated Security Council resolution 46 (1d), because the members of the UN were discussing to put Palestine under UN trusteeship. Now why would they do that, if Jews had a “right” to secede no matter how?"

      Jews didn't actually have the right, only a body representative of the majority of the legitimate inhabitants of a territory has that right. The cleansing by Jewish terrorists under Plan Dalet was an attempt to control as much territory as possible by 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) when the Mandate ended, the Israel plea for recognition however was limited to the borders outlined in UNGA res 181. Not that the Zionist state cares, they are inveterate liars. it was on the basis of Zionist/Jewish Agency lies that the International Comity of Nations recognized Israel and UNGA accepted Israel into the UN. I've never claimed it was correct or legal. We are however, now dealing with the State of Israel, a UN Member

      Talknic: “The majority of the world’s states have recognized Israel per it’s plea for recognition.”

      "The same goes for Ashdod being part of Israel allthough being outside partition borders. "

      de facto recognition is not de jure.

      Talknic: “The PLO even further via the Palestinian declaration of statehood.”

      "And again. Via this declaration within 67 lines it implicitly recognized Ashdod, etc. to be part of Israel and not occupied Palestinan territory, allthough it lies beyond partition borders."

      Indeed. But Israel has never accepted the Palestinian position. Until it does, there is no agreement.

      Talknic: ” I’ll go with that as a starting point to final withdrawal of Israel forces from all non-legally acquired territories since its plea for recognition, …”

      "since you emphasize recognition so much, why don’t you recognize that the countries who recognize Israel recognize that Ashdod and other areas beyond partition borders is a part of Israel and that the UN accepted Israel as a UN member by acknowledging its statement that the boundaries will be decided by negotiation? Do I have to quote Israel’s statement for the fourth time?"

      You can quote it as many times as you like. The Israeli statements were lies and the subsequent acceptance into the UN has not changed. It merely acknowledged the Israeli statements were made. It did NOT change any determination by the UNGA resolution

      (I did BTW attempt to answer these previously asked questions many times without success due to what appear to be system glitches )

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    • Talkback July 7, 2017, 2:19 pm

      Talknic: “It’s declared and recognized territories were acquired through secession and declaration”

      "On cannot acquire territory by mere “declaration” if the territory wasn’t a terra nullius. "

      Declaration can be a decision by the majority of the inhabitants. Montevideo Convention on the rights and duties of states http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897

      The majority of the world's states have recognized Israel per it's plea for recognition. The PLO even further via the Palestinian declaration of statehood. I'll go with that as a starting point to final withdrawal of Israel forces from all non-legally acquired territories since its plea for recognition, evacuation of all Israeli settlers, compensation for exploitation of resources and the appropriation of properties and territories since May 15th 1948. Compensation for illegal dispossession and refusal of RoR. Etc etc

    • @ echinococcus July 6, 2017, 5:49 pm

      " “Israel” is itself an occupied territory illegally acquired by war, as you know and I know you know."

      Israel either exists or it does not. You say it does. In that we appear to agree. It's declared and recognized territories were acquired through secession and declaration despite the fact that prior to declaration they and other non-declared and non-recognized areas were under control via Jewish terrorism.

      "Ever heard of something called “logic”?

      Yes. Ever used it?

    • @ Boris July 6, 2017, 11:20 am

      "Zionism started as a national liberation movement of Jewish people. "

      Is that why Herzl never bothered to move to Palestine when in his lifetime, he could have moved to Palestine, achieved citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's alleged Historic Homeland?

      "After the creation of Israel it transformed into a movement to support the only Jewish state in Jewish ancestral lands"

      Bullsh*t . The Zionist Federation decided to colonize Palestine and set up the Jewish Colonial Trust, to loan money specifically at interest, to specifically poor Jews on condition they specifically put themselves on the front lines in Palestine. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8632-jewish-colonial-trust-the-judische-colonialbank
      And
      so what? Israelis belong in Israel, not in occupied territories illegally acquired by war.

      "Anti-Zionism rejects the right of Jews – of all people – to have their own national home. It is obviously antisemitic."

      More bullsh*t. Not all Zionists are Jews

  • Amazon pulls blank 'History of Palestinian People' -- which aims to dehumanize in order to subjugate
    • @ Emet July 1, 2017, 1:22 am

      "Can someone please tell me what language these Palestinians, referred to today as “Palestinian Arabs”, spoke at the time of the First Jewish Temple and during the period of the Second Jewish Temple?"

      Why? It's entirely irrelevant to the declared and recognized territory of the State of Israel and that state's illegal activities in territories territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" as defined in the Israeli plea for recognition May 15, 1948

      Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republicwithin frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

      Got any other stupid bullshit questions pal?

      " Both in these Temples of course stood on the spot the Muslims conquered and later built a mosque."

      So what? Muslims build mosques. You want they should build a Synagogue?

      " Language defines a people, right?"

      Tell that to US citizens. They must be English. Right?

  • Packed room on Capitol Hill hears Palestinian student say he thought three IDs and a separation wall was normal for children everywhere
    • @ echinococcus June 16, 2017, 12:22 pm

      "Hard to know if you are asking in good faith or pretending not to understand."

      Uh? I am here in good faith and intention, asking no more or less than equal moral, ethical and legal rights for all concerned

      "1. The Zionist entity is of course, since 1948, a self-declared state under the name of “Israel”. Heir of all actions of the precedent shape (=invaders and terrorist bands) of the Zionist entity."

      So now you're talking about a state, which happens to be Israel. WTF have I bothered answering to your inquisition if you're now talking about the same state I've been pointing to?

      "2. When you say “They [the Zionist invaders in Palestine] are in their millions. Are you gonna sue ’em individually?” you reveal an exclusively gown-and-wig approach to resistance. Who is talking of suing, except as an insignificant sideshow? "

      Both. Expulsion if that's what the Palestinians want AND compensation. 69 years of illegally exploiting Palestinian resources, compensation for dispossession et al is not insignificant. In fact it is so significant, Israel cannot nor has it ever been able to afford it.

      "Didn’t you get the news that this is a war? "

      Oh do tell. As have pointed out, starting circa 1897.

      "Would you imagine relying exclusively on some Nazi-occupied courts during WWII, to ask for a judgment expelling the Germans from the occupied lands?"

      No. Why are you suggesting such a preposterous notion? The ICC, ICJ, UN, UNSC are the instruments of law for the majority.

      "the idea is not to sue them but expel them if that is the general wish of the Palestinians, as indicated by very many signs, whenever the balance of forces allows it. "

      Uh huh. 'if that is the general wish of the Palestinians'. They might offer Palestinian citizenship to some folk and they might decide to sue

      " If a proper, valid plebiscite can be conducted, so much the better. Continuing to defend the absurd idea of a legitimate Zionist presence in Palestine can only work against this."

      Let's get this straight once and for all. I'm not defending Israel's existence. I'm pointing out, as you have here, that Israel exists and as such can be held responsible

    • @ echinococcus June 15, 2017, 7:04 pm

      "1. Who ever said not to hold the Zionist entity to its obligations even under its illicit person?"

      What is the Zionist entity that it can be held to anything? Meanwhile, Israel is an entity, it can be (US willing) held to account

      "Supposing that you can force it to comply, in the sense of either a 2-state formula or integrating the enslaved population into the existing entity with a better status, who or what is preventing you?"

      A) Already you're talking about a "state". B) Me? I'm not in a position to tell the Palestinians what they can or cannot agree to.

      "Who or what is saying that acceding to a forced compromise means you have to give up your claim to full justice?"

      I have answered this question many times. Even if Israel were to agree to accept what has been offered thru the Palestinian Declaration of statehood, thereby foregoing Palestinian right of persistent objection, the illegality of the partition plan and the illegitimacy of the State of Israel could still be pursued and vast compensations sought

    • @ echinococcus June 15, 2017, 7:04 pm

      "1. Who ever said not to hold the Zionist entity to its obligations even under its illicit person? Supposing that you can force it to comply, in the sense of either a 2-state formula or integrating the enslaved population into the existing entity with a better status, who or what is preventing you? Who or what is saying that acceding to a forced compromise means you have to give up your claim to full justice?"

      Who is the Zionist entity that it can be forced to comply? Fact is it's not a state or a UN Member or prosecutable entity in respect to Palestine. Whereas Israel is a State, can be prosecuted, dragged before the UN/ICJ and its leaders before the ICC.

      "2. All Zionist squatters in Palestine are there without the express authorization of the owners. They are all answerable, no need to find a living Adam-and-Eve. If the invaders want to avoid complications, they can get out today. What has that got to do with your imagined need of a state actor with live first-person executives? What is keeping you, provided you have the necessary power (and an inclination to courtrooms, lawyers’ robes, wigs and such), from exacting full reparation from the current colonial criminals?"

      They are in their millions. Are you gonna sue 'em individually?

    • @ Talkback June 15, 2017, 6:29 pm

      " It’s borders are going to be the result of negotiations. That’s what Israel told the UN to become a UN member"

      Provide the Israeli statement.

    • @ echinococcus June 15, 2017, 12:35 pm

      "legitimizing the imposed partition does support the Zionist claim on Palestine and justifies “the Zionists’ crime of invasion, ethnic cleansing, theft or apartheid”"

      Whether you like it or not, the International Comity of Nations recognition of Israel and subsequent admittance of that state into the UN has resulted in the situation where Israel exists and is in breach of its legal obligations to International Law and the UN Charter.

      By your criteria, who is answerable? Fact is they're all dead. There's no recall against dead people. No compensation. Nada. Nothing.

      Against an existing state (in this instance the State of Israel) there are valid legal arguments and the possibility of compensations going back to 1948 if not prior to and inclusive of the injustices of UNGA res 181

    • @ echinococcus June 15, 2017, 9:37 am

      "you are trying to legitimize the Zionists’ crime of invasion, ethnic cleansing, theft and Apartheid in the mind of the readers"

      Oh cut the bullsh*t. The majority here are on the side of the Palestinians. We each have differing view points, none of which are trying to legitimize the Zionists’ crime of invasion, ethnic cleansing, theft or apartheid

    • @ John O June 15, 2017, 8:27 am

      "All countries except Israel, which has never defined its own borders"

      Oh yes it did in its plea for recognition May 15, 1948

      Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

    • @ Arafatbastard June 15, 2017, 8:34 am

      "The Arab League declined the Partition borders"

      So what? Israel accepted the borders and was recognized by them.

      May 15, 1948Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

      No further territories have ever been legally acquired by Israel since by any agreement or legal instrument. It has been inadmissible to acquire territory by war since at least 1933, certainly by 1945 and the advent of the UN

      "and tried to eradicate the Jews. "

      The neighbouring Arab states had a legal right to attempt to expel Israeli/Jewish forces from territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" May 22nd 1948 Israeli Government statement

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"

      "They certainly never recognised the borders."

      So what? Recognition is not mandatory. The majority of the International Comity of Nations DID however recognize Israel's UNGA res 181 borders per the Israeli Government plea for recognition! The Arab states have never invaded any Israeli territories. All of Israel's wars have been in other folks territories, never within Israel's recognized borders.

      The Arab states in fact showed as required by law " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" (See UNSC res 242 for an example) Something Israel has never done

      "They lost."

      So what? It is inadmissible to acquire territory by any coercive measure, including and especially by war. Has been since 1933

      "The Green Line is only the 1949 Cease-Fire line, and was never intended to be a permanent border"

      Correct you fat Zionist bastard.

      "as Jordan proved in June 1967, when it started a war to capture all of Israel."

      There's no UNSC resolution condemning any Arab state for invading any Israeli territories because they haven't. Israel attacked in Nov 1966. I gave you the information you fat lying Zionist bastard, why don't you read something other than Zionist crap for a change?

      "You are misinformed"

      You're full oif ZioPoop pal. You have nothing to back your claims.

  • The Israelis
    • @ Jackdaw June 14, 2017, 3:52 pm

      "Yes, and every time some big wig in Hamas needs medical treatment, where does he go?

      Suddenly. It’s time to ‘normalize’!"

      It is the responsibility of " Israel, the Occupying Power" to care for the Occupied, even Hamas, despite their being enemies.

    • @ randomguy June 14, 2017, 3:02 pm

      // “Palestine consists of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.” //

      "Actually palestine consists of more than that, it also includes Jordan and part of Syria.n"

      Nonsense. Palestine was declared and recognized by the majority of the International Comity of Nations per the Palestinian Declaration of State hood 1988, far short of their legal, moral and ethical rights, specifically in order to have peace with Israel. All it lacks now is independence from Israeli Occupation.

      However Israel is not nor has it ever been inclined to accept any limits to its Zionist expansionist ideals, demanding more and more without any legal, moral ethical or military basis.

      Having declared statehood, does not preclude the Palestinians from mounting a future a legal challenge against Israeli occupation and illegal acquisition of territories by war going back to 1948, where Israel itself declared to the UNSC that it was operating in territories "outside the State of Israel ... in Palestine" May 22nd 1948 Israeli Government statement

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"

      "By ignoring Jordan, you ignore the apartheid of the indigenous population in modern day Jordan"

      Bullsh*t. Jordan was independent 1946, only the legitimate population of the territory that became Jordan had automatic Jordanian citizenship. All citizens of Jordan are Jordanian, no matter what their heritage. Only citizens of the West Bank were given Jordanian citizenship whilst the West Bank was a part of Jordanian sovereignty. Palestinian refugees not from the West Bank TransJordan were not.

      The West Bank as it is now officially named, was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI

      It was a part of Jordan, which by 1967 was a UN Member state and a High Contracting Power to GC IV until Jordan handed the West Bank back to the PLO in 1988

  • Israeli ambassador says he admires and envies Palestinians for keeping refugee issue alive
    • Watching the fatbastard make a f*ckwit of itself

      @Arafatbastard June 14, 2017, 8:29 am

      "The 1949 agreement was never meant to be a permanent outcome."

      So why did Israel try to claim the territories it held under occupation and even after being rebuffed, has never left them fatso? http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5 (the links there are to Israeli statements) not that you're likely to read anything that contradicts your Zionist bullsh*t

      "Jordan broke the agreement when it attacked Israel in 1967."

      Jordan was a UN Member state and High Contracting party by 1967, there's no UNSC resolution against Jordan or any other Arab State for having ever attacked Israeli forces in territories outside the State of Israel.. There is one against Israel in Nov 1966 you fat ignorant Zionist bastard

      UNSC Resolution 228 of 25 November 1966
      The Security Council,

      Having heard the statements of the representatives of Jordan and Israel concerning the grave Israel military action which took place in the southern Hebron area on 13 November 1966,

      Having noted the information provided by the Secretary-General concerning this military action in his statement of 16 November 1/ and also in his report of 18 November 1966,2/

      Observing that this incident constituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan by the armed forces of Israel,

      Reaffirming the previous resolutions of the Security Council condemning past incidents of reprisal in breach of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan and of the United Nations Charter,

      Recalling the repeated resolutions of the Security Council asking for the cessation of violent incidents across the demarcation line, and not overlooking past incidents of this nature,

      Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement,

      1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

      2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

      3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

      "All of the inhabitants were forced to take Jordanian citizenship, and none disagreed. None of them said, “wait a minute, I am a proud Palestinian, get off my land you Jordanian scum”. Why not?"

      Who says they were forced fatso? Some fat Zionist bastard who can't back his claims isn't very convincing. The majority representative of the legitimate population of the West Bank requested Jordan to annex the West Bank rather than live under the laws of occupation you stupid fat Zionist mouthpiece. The West Bank as it is now officially named, was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI

      "Palestine was just a name given to Israel by the Romans in 135 AD. There has never been an independent Palestinian state."

      So what Fatslob? It doesn't give Israel the right to illegally acquire any territories by war as it has done since proclaiming its borders in order to be recognized. http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

      "The growth of the Palestinian population doesn’t pain me – it just illustrates what a liar you are"

      Quote the lie fatso. You can't because there isn't one. Making false accusations against people is against the basic tenets of Judaism. Thanks for showing folk the type of lying creeps are attracted to the Zionist colonization of Palestine fatso

      "What must pain you is that Israel is the most successful country in the Middle East, and also the safest place to be a Christian, Jew or Muslim in the region: no Daesh, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda or Taliban."

      Irrelevant to the actual extent of Israeli sovereignty and Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories it occupies fatso.

      "Basically, you hate Jews"

      I am a Jew you stupid fat slob. I hate liars, thieves and people who break the basic tenets of Judaism, especially when they do it for the so called 'Jewish' state. Shows just what a ghastly enterprise Zionism colonization is and what ghastly people it attracts fatso

    • More mindless sh*te from the idiot Arafatbastard June 13, 2017, 11:55 am

      "The UN offered a state to the “Palestinians”, a people which had never existed in 1947, but the Arab League refused, even though the Jews agreed."

      No it didn't Fatso. It offered to partition the already existing Nation State of Palestine (Palestine became a Nation State under the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7 Nationality Law which was adopted in 1925, per the 1922 mandate)

      "How do you account for the fact that in the invented country of (Trans)Jordan, 80% of the population is “Palestinian”?"

      Transjordan was independent 1946 before Israel you fat bastard. Furthermore only the folk who lived in the territory that became Jordan automatically became citizens of Jordan, they are all, EVERY ONE OF THEM, Jordanian. One's heritage (Palestinian) is not citizenship you stupid fat Zionist fool.

      Go spread your idiotic Zionist crappolla somewhere else pal, you're only going to drown in it here

    • @ Arafatbastard June 13, 2017, 11:59 am

      " Israel captured all of the “West Bank” from Jordan, in 1967, not ‘Palestine”, which had never existed"

      A) Israel AGREED in the 1949 Armistice AGREEMENT (know what an agreement is?) that Jordan would be the legitimate Occupying Power over the West Bank.

      B) By 1967 the West Bank was a part of Jordan, annexed at the request of the majority of the legitimate population after the 1948 Israeli land grab war

      C) In 1967 Jordan including the West Bank, was a UN Member State and a High Contracting Power/Party to GC IV.

      D) Further more under the LoN Mandate for Palestine 1922 (note the name "Palestine"), Article 7, Jewish folk could gain "Palestinian" citizenship, and ;

      E) "Palestinian" nationality Law was adopted in 1925, per the LoN Mandate for "Palestine" Article 7. By 1947/48 Palestine was a Nation State with provisional recognition.

      You don't have an argument, you have pure adulterated slip slimy gag and drown in it Hasbara bullsh*t.

      "This Jewish “Genocide” of “Palestinians” is certainly taking a long time: the Arab population of the region has increased by 400% since it began!"

      That must pain a fat lying Zionist bastard like you. BTW fatso, even the death or or dispossession of one person is considered genocide under the UN definition and; Israel is a UN Member state, bound to the UN Charter and the UN's definition of genocide.

      "Your poor Grammar must be so sad that you never did study Middle East History, just Creative Writing"

      You're spouting crap Fatso, likely because it' s all you've ever been fed and certainly all you have

    • @ yonah fredman June 12, 2017, 4:30 pm

      "I don’t care that the Palestinians don’t recognize the jewish rights in the region"

      There are no 'jewish rights' in the region other than freedom of religion.

      " just get them to sign a contract of peace. "

      Why? Is there legal requirement? Israel was declared and recognized as independent within the borders it stated in in its plea for recognition, while at war in other folks territories. In fact it was admitted into the UN while engaged in a war it started by having forces outside the state of Israel even as Israel was being declared

      "this: “there will never be peace until the Palestinians recognize our rights” is just a way of saying, there will never be a peace contract and we will not give the Palestinians the right to vote."

      A) There will never be a peace contract while on side continues to ignore the law B) Zionism isn't interested in peace, it's a vile money scheme C) I don't know of any state that gives non-citizens the right to vote in territories that do not belong to the relevant state.

      Say. Israel could simply f*ck off out of all non-Israeli territories for once. Never been tried

  • Dispatch from 'the most ****ed up place on Earth,' Hebron's H2 quarter
  • Westchester legislature prepares bill saying BDS 'maligns the Jewish people,' and opponents organize
    • @ Jon s June 12, 2017, 3:12 am

      "The BDS campaign ... The Israeli and Palestinian economies are inseperable and what’s bad for one is bad for the other."

      Only while there is occupation. In fact without occupation, Palestine has no need what so ever for Israeli goods, trade or for that matter industrial or business cooperation.

      "A healthy Israeli economy is in the Palestinian’s best interest and it’s in the Israeli interest for the Palestinian economy to thrive. And this will remain true when , hopefully , peace is achieved in the context of the two state solution."

      Bullshit Jon s. Israel is a little sh*t hole state with f*ck all in the way of resources. Israel continues the occupation, because it can not now nor could it ever afford to pay the compensations due for the illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territories in it's 1948-49 land grab war and in its land grab wars since. Israel cannot afford to compensate and resettle Israeli citizens it illegally settled then or now.

      The Zionist Movement's state has dug itself a cat hole from which there is no legal escape except to either accept the generous offer afforded thru the Palestinian declaration of statehood or thru a plea bargain with the Palestinians, who BTW have no legal obligation what so ever to give up ANY of their legal rights in negotiations or for any other reason with any state, not even a Jewish one.

      Israel's reply has been to build more illegal settlements, thereby embroiling Israeli Jews ever deeper in a vile money grubbing scheme that endangers more and more poor Jews, no different from the Zionist Federation's Colonial Trust plan of 1897, loaning them money at interest specifically on condition they place themselves on the front lines, thereby endangering themselves and their families.

      You're backing an evil, completely corrupt project that specifically targets Jews at great cost to EVERYONE in the region

    • "the end of the occupation, the right of return, and we want equal rights for Arabs in Israel. And they think they are very clever because they know the result of implementing all three is what, what is the result?

      You know and I know what the result is. There’s no Israel!"

      Uh? How do you figure adhering to the law is the end of a state ignoring the law?

      1) UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of binding Law tell us the occupation is illegal and must end. It's a matter of Israel's binding commitment to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter. It's a legal requirement regardless of negotiations

      2) The only people who have legal right of return to Israeli territories are Israeli Arabs dispossessed by Israel. Their number was long ago surpassed by Jewish immigration. For example some 500,000 Arab Jews migrated to Israel between 1948 and 1950 and there have been hundreds of thousands of Jews from all around the world since

      The majority of Palestinians with RoR have RoR to non-Israeli territories. As it now stands Israel prevents ANY RoR to any territories BTW, which is completely illegal.

      3) Rights for Arabs in Israel isn't going to change any demographic or pose any existential threat to Israel

      You're spouting typical Zionist twaddle for idiots who don't think!

  • Making the crossover from Elie Wiesel to Marc Ellis
    • @ jon s June 13, 2017, 3:39 pm

      "I’m not an invader, I live in my people’s historic homeland. No Jew is an invader in the Jewish homeland."

      You're an Israeli. Israel's borders were defined and recognized per the Israeli plea for recognition 1948. Israel has not since legally acquired any further territories by any agreement or legal means (it has been inadmissible to acquire territory by war since at least 1933) When and by what means did BeerSheba become Israel (please cite the agreement)

      "I’m not a war criminal "

      If you fought for a military engaged in the dispossession of people from their rightful territories, you ARE a war criminal

      "I also support freedom of speech. “Veterans Today” can say whatever they want on their website.
      Including Anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial"

      Quote them verbatim ... thx

  • New website sets Zionist myths vs. the historical record
  • 'To live or to perish' -- Norman Finkelstein on the Six-Day-War and its mythology
    • @ catalan June 4, 2017, 1:24 pm

      " He would have made higher education free, healthcare free, freed Palestine from oppression. Minimum wage would be higher and there would only be small banks that offer low interest rates. America would lead the world in everything, Palestine would be free. If only the DNC had not conspired against him, we would live in a totally different world."

      If you say so. No one else has. Seems ZioMorons are paid by the word, no matter how ridiculous, untrue or full of sh*te

    • Zionism rots the brain.

      "Israel was not a peace seeking country between 1949 and 1967. "

      Israel was NEVER a peace seeking country. By the time its borders were proclaimed there were Jewish forces already outside of those borders dispossessing, slaughtering.

  • Mother Palestine takes on her most diabolical enemy yet -- Apartheid!
    • @ Mooser June 5, 2017, 4:11 pm

      "My “catalan”, you’ve been a seething ball of resentment lately"<

      Other than ZioPoop he has nothing else

    • @ catalan June 5, 2017, 10:42 am

      "Having a stupid enemy would seem to be a good thing. What’s stopping you from winning then?"

      None of your arguments have ever won anything pal. Like Zionists and Israeli claims, they're based on nonsense

      "How is the electricity in Gaza these days?"

      No need to insist on demonstrating that you're a callous rrrsol, we've known from day one

      Keep up the good work jerk

    • Wonder Woman was made in the Occupied Territories? WOW!!! What an interesting theory catalan

      Keep up th' good work, showing folk that stupidity is a Zionist forte

  • Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival
    • @ Emet June 7, 2017, 4:16 am

      "talknic, in order to get to the truth and work things out for yourself, you need to actively search out information on both extremes. If you limit your knowledge to one side, as you consistently display in the your comments,"

      The UNSC presented all sides

      "Mondoweiss is also a “propaganda” website, is it not?"

      Nothing like a propaganda website. Propaganda relies on gullibility

      "Your comments about cross border raids by Israel into Jordan does not give an historical perspective."

      A) They weren't my comments. B) it was a full scale attack. C) It was a UNSC resolution reminding Israel of its obligations to binding agreements, International Law, the UN Charter all of which Israel ignored. There are NO COMPARABLE UNSC resolutions against any Arab state for 'what else was going on at the time'

      "What raids were being carried out from Jordan into Israel."

      Jordan, the neighbouring Arab States and occupied Palestinians had and still have a legal right to attempt to expel any Israeli forces from non-Israeli territories in the region

      " please don’t forget to mention that prior to 1967 Israel did not have any settlements in the West Bank and Jordan controlled the holy sites. "

      So what? You have a non argument, typical ZioIdiot style.

      Israel AGREED in the 1949 Armistice Agreement that Jordan was the Occupying Power over the West Bank and controlled the Holy sites. The West Bank was from 1948 until 1967, legally annexed to Jordan by request of the majority of the legitimate population of the West Bank. In 1967 Jordan including the West bank was a UN Member State and High Contracting Party.

      BTW Since 1948 Israel has had illegal settlements in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine". Territories that have not been legally annexed to the State of Israel by any legal document or agreement with Palestine, even though Palestine has by declaring its own state shown willingness to cede those territories to Israel.

      "So today’s story that stopping settlements will bring peace, is a load of bull, and you know it, but not brave enough to say it"

      Problem.... I've never made such a claim. Reason being is because Israel won't agree to anything. Israel wants wants more

    • Try “http://www.sixdaywarproject.org”

      Why? It's a propaganda site!

      Israel was attacking Jordanian territories in 1966

      UNSC Resolution 228 of 25 November 1966
      The Security Council,

      Having heard the statements of the representatives of Jordan and Israel concerning the grave Israel military action which took place in the southern Hebron area on 13 November 1966,

      Having noted the information provided by the Secretary-General concerning this military action in his statement of 16 November 1/ and also in his report of 18 November 1966,2/

      Observing that this incident constituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan by the armed forces of Israel,

      Reaffirming the previous resolutions of the Security Council condemning past incidents of reprisal in breach of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan and of the United Nations Charter,

      Recalling the repeated resolutions of the Security Council asking for the cessation of violent incidents across the demarcation line, and not overlooking past incidents of this nature,

      Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement,

      1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

      2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

      3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

    • @ Emet June 6, 2017, 5:15 am

      "There I was thinking .."

      Very funny

      "that if you shoot straight and hit your target, that the object on the receiving end will suffer serious damage."

      Not if the other side shoots you first. Logic pal, you should try it sometime. All of Israel's wars, by its own admission, have been preemptive

    • @ Mayhem June 2, 2017, 11:34 pm

      "UN Peace Keepers are a sorry joke. Their record in preventing conflict is shockingly poor."

      Israel's record in starting conflicts is much better

    • A thoroughly twisted ZioMind is amazing to behold!

      @ yonah fredman June 2, 2017, 12:38 pm

      "Regarding the major confrontation state, Israel did well going to war, which led to a peace treaty "

      Go to war, occupy other folks territory, for a peace treaty. Interesting theory

      "Before 67 there was tension with Egypt"

      Yes. Israel was occupying Arab territory outside of its borders

      " and after 77 there has been minimal tension."

      Except for the fact that Israel was occupying Egyptian and other Arab territories.

      " The war against Egypt was a success"

      Sure, tell it to the families of those who died, completely un-necessarilly. No-one gained anything. Israel was required to withdraw from all Egyptian territories before peaceful relations were assumed with Egypt.

      MORE @ http://wp.me/pDB7k-ZZ

    • UNSC Resolution 228 of 25 November 1966
      The Security Council,

      Having heard the statements of the representatives of Jordan and Israel concerning the grave Israel military action which took place in the southern Hebron area on 13 November 1966,

      Having noted the information provided by the Secretary-General concerning this military action in his statement of 16 November 1/ and also in his report of 18 November 1966,2/

      Observing that this incidentconstituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan by the armed forces of Israel,

      Reaffirming the previous resolutions of the Security Council condemning past incidents of reprisal in breach of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan and of the United Nations Charter,

      Recalling the repeated resolutions of the Security Council asking for the cessation of violent incidents across the demarcation line, and not overlooking past incidents of this nature,

      Reaffirming the necessity for strict adherence to the General Armistice Agreement,

      1. Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action of the Government of Israel on 13 November 1966;

      2. Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

      3. Emphasizes to Israel that actions of military reprisal cannot be tolerated and that, if they are repeated, the Security Council will have to consider further and more effective steps as envisaged in the Charter to ensure against the repetition of such acts;

      Until such time as a ZioIdiot can put up similar UNSC resolutions against ANY Arab state (all by 1966 were UN Members) for allegedly attacking Israel, tell 'em they're spouting bullsh*t! Israel started all its wars, none of which were fought in Israeli territories ( May 22nd 1948 "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

    • @ Jerry Hirsch June 2, 2017, 2:04 pm

      "James, Finklestein makes a rather feeble argument by his ommission of the fact that Israel’s oil supply was completely blocked off by the closure of the Strait of Tiran. It’s foolish for him to say 95% of Israel’s imports were still available when the lack of oil would soon make them 100% undeliverable."

      The threat to blockade was never challenged by any ship, thereby never enforced. A blockade is only a blockade if it actually stops shipping

      "Any nation that had such a critical energy source cut off would have no choice but to remedy the situation by any means necessary."

      Like importing thru the Mediterranean which was NOT under any blockade

      ZioPoop is meaningless here

  • Trump's not moving the embassy, and AIPAC and Netanyahu are disappointed
    • @ hophmi June 2, 2017, 8:47 am

      " The Palestinians, whom the Arabs all hate, continue to not have a state, and the Israelis, whom the Arabs hate almost as much, continue to be held responsible for i"

      A) So that's why the Arab States fought numerous wars on behalf of Palestine
      B) Gave them refuge at enormous cost for 69 years

      You have some interesting bullsh*t!

      Palestine is already a state. It has observer status at the UN and has been recognized by the majority of the International Comity of Nations. What Palestine now seeks is independence from Israeli occupation for which there is no legal, moral, ethical or practical reason for Israel to continue.

  • Through 'severe pressure,' U.S. can impose a two-state solution on Israel -- Nathan Thrall
    • @ JustJessetr June 3, 2017, 10:07 am

      "Talknic, whatever the ZF have been doing all that time, they haven’t been dangling a false hope in front of Jews and Israelis. "

      How odd. The Zionist Federation plan has for over a century loaned money specifically to poor Jews, specifically at interest, on condition they specifically put themselves on the front lines in the Zionist war on Palestine, thereby endangering themselves and their families, while the ZF and Jewish Agency push for one Jewish State. Fine employers you have. Requiring you to lie, day after day, year after year

      "What one-staters and BDS sheep like yourself do is give Palestinians false hope, from your nice safe perch above it all, that they can have everything from the river to the sea."

      Problem. I've never stated I believe in one state you jerk. Nor do I belong to or have need to belong to any BDS organization. Lke all Zionist propagandists, you have to start tawkin' out your fat flatulent Zionist rrrrrrrrrs

      I do however believe in adherence to one's commitments to the law and the basic commonsense tenets of Judaism, which is more than you or your creepy Zionist propagandist friends can say

      Furthermore, the Palestinians already have a state, it is not as you are required to describe to keep your pathetic job. They long ago accepted only 22% of their rightful territories for peace with Israel. The majority of the International Comity of Nations has recognized this simple fact. All they seek now is independence from Israeli occupation, which is BTW their legal right

      " It’s simply not going to happen. Normalization is the only way for them to salvage what little is left. They’ve gone with Arafat, they’ve gone with the PA, boycotting, the Pan-Arabists, and they have gained exactly nothing of what should have been theirs long ago."

      What should have been theirs long ago is that which Israel and Zionism covets. The Palestinians ask only for their legal rights. Israel meanwhile has no legal, moral, ethical basis for its demands or to continue the occupation.

      Israel refusing to adhere to International Law , ending occupation withdrawing to its borders just isn't allowed to enter the ZioScum propaganda narrative

      "You damage Palestinians more than you imagine. You are a problem, not a solution. It’s time to get real and ditch your ever so predictable rhetoric and start to contribute something useful."

      Meanwhile Israeli intransigence, occupation, slaughtering innocents who have no protection from Israeli armaments, dispossession, are all wonderful ZioGifts. Yeh, I get your drift you wanker

    • @ JustJessetr June 2, 2017, 3:12 pm

      ,em>"Hey, then keep marching fown a blind alley towards a 1SS. Even though the idea is a, “…long way from drawing majority support in the West Bank and Gaza.”

      What alley has the Zionist Federation been marching down since 1897?

      "You hurt Palestinians more than you imagine."

      Oh save it pal. You;'re full o' sh*te

  • Why has the Occupation lasted this long?
    • May 22nd 1948 Israeli Government statement

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.
      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?
      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"

      “international regulations” at the time say;

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

  • In groundbreaking resolution, California Democratic Party decries US support for Israeli occupation
    • catalan May 27, 2017, 9:22 am

      " I have no doubt that I am next in line once they are done with Israel."

      See a shrink. Paranoia can be cured

    • @ catalan May 26, 2017, 5:39 pm

      "I have come to the conclusion that peace is not possible in the Middle East; either things will stay more or less the same, or one side will physically annihilate the other (through killing and expulsion)."

      Uh huh While one side refuses to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter, there will be no peace.

      " I obviously would not prefer if Israel was annihilated because I suspect that Jews abroad would be the next target if that happened"

      Best start lobbying for Israel to adhere to its legal obligations

      " I think t ..."

      No you don't. You spout sh*te. A thinking person would realize that theft of territory will bring war. A thinking person would realize that an organization like the Zionist Federation, who purposefully sets up a bank to issue loans to specifically poor Jews specifically at interest on condition they settle specifically on the front lines in the Zionist war on Palestine puts money above life. A thinking person would realize that any government who encourages its citizens to illegally settle in territories outside of the state they govern, is criminal.

  • Liberal Jews stage sit-in to block annual 'Jerusalem Day' march into Muslim Quarter
    • ZioIdiot demonstrates how twisted Zionist values can be

      @ Mayhem May 25, 2017, 6:44 pm

      "If you have pride and honor for your country and its values you don’t behave offensively like these left-wing Jews have"

      Oh I get it. War is peace, black is white, asking that one's country adhere to its legal obligations is offensive whereas supporting the illegal activities of that country in someone else's territories is not offensive.

      I didn't know we still had cretinism in Australia. Need a GP?

    • So no lynchings. Just goes to show how wrong Ziofools can be.

      I fully support our armed services protecting Australia BTW. I do not however support a narrative that blatantly lies about our forces dying in far away lands at the behest of British and American interests. Turkey never threatened Australia, tens of thousands of our country's finest were slaughtered for imperial gain. Nothing to do with protecting Australia. Our forces are in the M East again, slaughtering people we don't know, in countries who have never harmed Australia and our gutless leaders are supportive of a vile little rogue state in breach of International Law beyond its borders.

      What countries around Israel do within their own territories has absolutely no legal bearing on Israel's illegal activities outside of its self proclaimed borders. Go spout your Ziopoop somewhere else. BTW you and your kind are a disgrace to Australia

    • @ Mayhem May 25, 2017, 9:10 am

      "In Australia if protesters would take to the streets to oppose ANZAC Day they would be lynched."

      Strange none have been https://www.google.com.au/search?q=protests+anzac+day

      BTW your support for an idiotic rogue state acting outside of its borders is so touching

  • 'Unexpectable' Trump makes Netanyahu, and Adelson, very happy
  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
  • Israeli settler passes out candy to celebrate killing of Palestinian
    • Hilarious stuff asherpat

      Try why the f*ck was the stupid Israeli illegally in non-Israeli territory? Anywhere else and he would be at least arrested and deported, under arms if necessary.

      "Why wasn’t this information brought to the readers? "

      Why? What relevance would it have? Would Israel suddenly begin to adhere to the law? End the occupation? Withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, vacate all the illegal settlements? Pay for 69 years of naked aggression, 69 years of exploiting the resources in non-Israeli territories under occupation?

  • Memo to Trump: US won't escape Mideast wars till Israel ends oppression of Palestinians
    • A) The Zionist Federation have had over a hundred years to hone the craft of getting the dirt on people they need to comply. Trump will be given the word at some stage. The murder of Rabin tells us that even Israeli leaders aren't safe, so what would they care if it's an American President

      B) They've also had over a century practicing the art of lying. Yes, yes, sure, sure. Then ignore, delay, obfuscate, an American President only has a tenure of 8 yrs max. The Zionist Federation 24hrs/7days/52weeks/120years

  • Internet 'redresses' Miri Regev's 'capture of Jerusalem' themed gown at Cannes
    • @ Paranam Kid

      'acquisition' by legal annexation, thru an agreement or treaty is legal. 'acquisition by any effective coercive measure is illegal ... as you say theft.

      The word used by the UNSC is 'acquisition'. It comes from the codification of the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States Article 11 into the UN Charter

      http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art11 ARTICLE 11

      The contracting states definitely establish as the rule of their conduct the precise obligation not to recognize territorial acquisitions or special advantages which have been obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic representations, or in any other effective coercive measure.
      --------------AND----------------
      UN Charter Chapter 1
      Article 2
      4 ) All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."
      http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html

      This is now Customary International Law (i.e., the legal custom has been adopted by a majority of the International Comity of Nations), binding on all states.

      Reminding Israel in UNSC res 242 it is expressed thus "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war " https://talknic.wordpress.com/unsc-resolution-242-did-not-call-to-negotiate-borders/

      Even the often cited jurists Schwebel/ Lauterpacht tell us, contrary to Hasbara surrounding their statements, territory may not be acquired by war, it may however be restored to the sovereign by war. I.e., Syria has every right to attack Israel to get the Golan Height back, the Palestinians have every right to attack Israel to get their territories back. Likewise Egypt had every right to attack Israel over the Sinai http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#Schwebel

    • " international law does not recognize the conquest acquisition of territory through acts of warfare."

  • Collective post-traumatic stress disorder – Jews, apartheid and oppression
    • @ Yoav Litvin May 21, 2017, 1:36 am

      " ... your whole comment is irrelevant.
      I wrote about psychology, not about law or any of what you mentioned"

      Collective post-traumatic stress disorder – Jews, apartheid and oppression

      ...

      An Israeli soldier keeps guard near a Palestinian woman standing next to Star of David graffiti sprayed by Israeli settlers at an army checkpoint in the center of Hebron

      I presumed it related to Israel. Israeli apartheid practices (and Israeli/Jewish PTSD)

      As many as can be helped to overcome their PTSD, there'll always be more being infected while the Zionist Federation exists. Best get rid of the perpetrators, those who continue for nefarious purposes to use the tool of sewing fear into people's hearts.

      Self indulgent analysis amongst the diaspora and Israeli Jews is a sideshow, another distraction, a means of attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

      The majority of Jews in the world haven't had any trauma for generations.

    • @ Yoav Litvin May 20, 2017, 9:13 pm

      " I don’t cower behind a pseudonym "

      It's irrelevant. Let's say echinococcus used their real name. What difference would t make? Would the Zionist colonization of Palestine stop? Would Israel adhere at long last to its legal obligations. WOuld the illegal settlements stop? What people say is important, their name is not.

      "and actually publish my opinions, all based on facts"

      Hasbara isn't based on facts. Collective PTSD is irrelevant to the legal obligations of states. Israel is in breach of the law

    • Uh? The Zionist Federation had Collective post-traumatic stress disorder in 1897 when they decided to colonize Palestine almost half a century before the Holocaust. Interesting theory

      Enough bullsh*t distractions. Israel is a state in breach of the law. All else is a distraction from the nut cases running that country and from the true cause of the conflict. Zionist greed and an incurable addiction to more and more territory, to make more and more money from more and more specifically poor Jews who are lent money specifically at interest to specifically settle in non Israeli territories on the front lines in non-Israeli territories, thereby endangering themselves and their families.

      GC VI was adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of the Occupying Power from the highly ;likely violent collateral consequences of Occupying another people and their territories.

      Only a scum government would purposefully break GC VI to serve a vile money making racket that depends on acquiring by any means more and more territories outside that state thereby purposefully endangering its citizens and the Occupied who Israel swore to protect by becoming a UN Member State

  • Dershowitz defames Gertrude Stein, Daniel Berrigan and Omar Barghouti
    • I'd love to debate Dershowitz

    • The stupidity of the Dershowitzes and other moronic bores for Zionist colonization is astounding.

      NOTHING they say, no smears they attempt, none of the justifications they give, in any way effect the legal limitations of Israel's territories and the Jewish State's illegal activities outside of those territories.

      Cherry tomatoes, Nobel Prizes, mobile phones, what Mark Twain wrote, who was who 3,000 yrs ago, DNA, whether there was or was not an exodus, the Holocaust, not even rabid Antisemitism real alleged or faked effects the legal limitations of Israel's territories and the Jewish State's illegal activities outside of those territories.

      I defy anyone to put up a valid argument justifying the ongoing colonization of Palestine.

  • Israeli sniper kills unarmed Palestinian protester during demonstration in occupied village of Nabi Saleh
  • Pro-Israel group bullies Church of Scotland over its 'sensitive' commemoration of Balfour centenary
  • Senator on Intelligence Committee says Jews in Diaspora are spies for Israel
  • Anti-Zionism in your earbuds -- Help support the Treyf podcast
    • Keep up th' good work. The more outlets there are for truth and justice the better.

      A small criticism, not only here BTW. I find the use of left/ist/s and right/ist/s weird. I know people who're on the left on certain matters and on the right on other matters. I for one. A lot of the time, left or right are simply matters of opinion, especially where words aren't going to result in folk being killed or dispossessed, have their lands stolen, propagate hatred, bigotry and racism etc.

      Where words do result in, encourage or justify carnage, dispossession, colonization, illegal settlements, murder, war crimes, it's not a matter of left or right, it's a matter of wrong or right. Good or evil and one shouldn't be afraid to name evil when it's seen to exist.

      For example the Zionist Federation's proven litany of lies over more than a century, is simply wrong. Evil.

      The Zionist Federation goes against the most basic of Judaisms common sense tenets. Coveting other folks property, false accusation, lies, murder, the destruction of food bearing trees etc are evils perpetuated and justified by people who are quite simply wrong.

      The Zionist 1897 plan to colonize Palestine was an evil visited on gullible Jews in the diaspora and the Palestinians, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. Herzl himself could have in his lifetime gone to Palestine, acquired citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's alleged historical homeland. He didn't bother. Nor did his family. Nor did the Zionist Federation until 1936 and only one of the signatories to the Israeli declaration of statehood was actually from the region.

      Offering specifically poor Jews, loans specifically at interest on condition they put themselves specifically on the front lines of the Zionist colonization project is an evil perpetuated by successive Israel Governments, none of whom have been legally elected under a constitution which has yet to be written. The notion of democracy and a Jewish State are irreconcilable, making the constitution impossible to write.

      Instead of rectifying the problems surrounding the constitution the Zionist Movement's provisional government instead immediately robbed the Jewish people of any constitutional rights by instituting a system of basic law, which doesn't protect citizens, it protects the Zionist Movement's state

  • Jews made America great so 'we deserve our influence' on Israel policy, Dershowitz tells Scarsdale synagogue
    • Can't find any legal validity in Dershowitz's argument. Zionism sure eats away at them brain cells

    • Simple. Alan Dershowitz is probably compromised.

      The Zionist Federation have had over a century to practice the art of of grooming their people, money, favor. Encouraging debt and indebtedness and getting the dirt on those they might need at some time in the future. Carefully making sure their influence and people are moving in the right circles to suit their cause. Circles where there's plenty of opportunity for Marcs and Jareds to meet Chelseas and Ivancas and for the Dershowitz's to advance their careers as long as they toe the Zionist line. One step out of place and they're dead in the water, discarded, ruined or, as with Rabin and I dare say even Sharon, murdered

      By comparison to the Zionist Federation, we're all newbies, way behind the eight ball. All state governments change. Their policies change. Their priorities change. Their alliances change. US Presidents have an eight year tenure max. A mere blip. Dershowitz is just another useful idiot

  • Why are Israeli children brainwashed to hate?
    • @ Jon s May 11, 2017, 7:12 am

      "... reminds me of Hamas"

      Hamas are a resistance movement. Apart from resisting any adherence to International Law, the UN Charter, the Israeli Declaration of statehood and the basic tenets of Judaism, what is Israel resisting?

      BTW do you have an equivalent tape of Hamas (sans Memri/PMW/Camera unsubstantiated translations) Thx ... I'll wait

  • 'Look, I didn't write that letter' -- Sanders on defensive for signing letter slamming UN on Israel
    • Not so quick. He's one, of a number, who's signatures together can mean life or death for Palestinians. The less of his number there are the more chance there is of relegating the Zionist Movement/Federation to where it deservedly belongs

    • WTF is it with American politicians? The sanest amongst them bleeds out when it comes to Israel

      " to see Israel attacked over and over again for human rights violations ..." ... committed by Israel in non-Israeli territories and;
      most UN/UNSC/UNHRC resolutions against Israel are reminders of previous unheeded resolutions. When one doesn't adhere to the contract a reminder is not a new bill from the power company, nor is it bias

      " when you have countries like Saudi Arabia or Syria. Saudi Arabia ..." ... distasteful, but committed by them in their own countries. The UN has no say in UN Member States' internal policies in their own territories

  • Israel's proof that Marwan Barghouti is a terrorist – a cookie
    • Seems Zionists have no honesty integrity ethics or morals as amply demonstrated poor valueless catalan

      @ catalan May 14, 2017, 10:10 am

      //“It was whether catalan thought it would be fair or not for a Jewish resistance fighter to be taken from Occupied Territories to Germany to be tried in a German civil court”. – Talknic //

      "I think that life is not fair",/em>

      = you can't honestly answer a simple question! http://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/israels-barghouti-terrorist/#sthash.os4BpJdn.dpuf

      Keep up th' good work

      "I believe in Karma."

      That's why you bullsh*t so much! Interesting theory

    • @ echinococcus May 13, 2017, 11:34 pm

      "I’ll join you in your reply to the usual Catalan but there’s one thing you don’t seem to get: "

      Oh? There's something you don't get. The issue wasn't whether the persons on trial did or did not recognize the legality of proceedings. It was whether catalan thought it would be fair or not for a Jewish resistance fighter to be taken from Occupied Territories to Germany to be tried in a German civil court.

    • Format correction:

      Jackdaw "Question: Did the Jewish terrorists who refused to acknowledge the authority of the Mandate court, and died on the gallows, get a ‘fair trial’?"

      Not so fast. Let’s expand that into a truer equivalent
      Question: Did the alleged Jewish terrorists taken to Britain and tried under a civilian court, who refused to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the British Civil Courts, and died on the gallows, get a ‘fair trial’?

      If that were the equivalent case, no!
      However, they weren’t tried in civil court in Britain. They were tried under the guidance of the LoN Mandate for Palestine by which the court had jurisdiction. Their sentence of course is another matter. What was the sentence at the time for murder as guided by the LoN Mandate for Palestine?

    • @ Jackdaw May 13, 2017, 4:50 am

      "The Courts do not suffer elliptical arguments, and I won’t suffer yours."

      The Israeli court made an elliptical argument in order to justify to itself its trying of a prisoner from the Occupied Territories in a civil court in Israel was somehow legal.

      "I will say, that beyond the Mondoweiss echo chamber, and back in the real world, there are legal concepts such a Conflict of Laws, conflicts of jurisdiction, Personal Jurisdiction, forum non convienence and ‘long-arm’ statutes, which Courts the world over decide everyday."

      Uh huh. Beyond the echoes of your attempted and empty justifications, it was decided by representative jurists of the International community out in the real world that the removal of prisoners from Occupied Territories for detention and/or trial in the territory of the Occupying Power, is illegal. Israel agreed via its being a UN Member and thru its acceptance of GC IV

      "... some international jurists seem to feel that Barghouti probably had grounds to make an appeal to the Israeli Supreme Court.

      'some' without examples is cute. 'seem to feel' is another great line. Opinions aplenty and no 'judgements' mean little. Making an appeal to an illegal court is also cute. Amongst a plethora of other legal aspects, one would immediately lose right to persistent objection and likely incur even more hateful and unjustifiable wrath of the Israeli juridical farce for opposing it

      Question: Did the Jewish terrorists who refused to acknowledge the authority of the Mandate court, and died on the gallows, get a ‘fair trial’?

      Not so fast. Let's expand that into a truer equivalent
      Question: Did the alleged Jewish terrorists taken to Britain and tried under a civilian court, who refused to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the British Civil Courts, and died on the gallows, get a ‘fair trial’?

      If that were the equivalent case, no! However, they weren't tried in civil court in Britain. They were tried under the guidance of the LoN Mandate for Palestine by which the court had jurisdiction. Their sentence of course is another matter. What was the sentence at the time for murder as guided by the LoN Mandate for Palestine?

    • @ catalan May 13, 2017, 9:16 am

      //“Barghouti should not have even been in Israel,” talknic//

      "But you have said many times ..." your propensity to exaggerate is matched by your idiocy http://mondoweiss.net/profile/talknic/?keyword=turn+the+other+cheek "... that the the Palestinians, to quote, “turn the other cheek” to “show folk who is the aggressor”. So this is an excellent occasion to practice this strategy."

      He did by not recognizing an illegal court An illegal court you support. You must be every proud!

      Every time you attempt to justify the unjustifiable you reveal even more the immoral soul of Zionism and the stupidity of those who support it

      Answer this honestly: If for instance during WW2 a Jewish resistance fighter in France was taken to Nazi Germany to be tried, you'd think that was OK, valid, fair? Right?

      Keep up th' good work

    • Jackdaws are supposed to be smart.

      @ Jackdaw May 12, 2017, 12:54 am

      "Assuming, arguendo, that Judge Gurfinkel misinterpreted the law, a defendant has the right to appeal a lower court’s decision."

      Appeal to someone who doesn't have jurisdiction about a court that doesn't have jurisdiction. Sure thing buddy. Thinking just isn't your forte is it!

      "To wit, Barghouti had been given the opportunity to participate in a ‘fair trial’, but he foolishly squandered that opportunity and caught five life sentences"

      Israel is the Occupying Power, it's civil courts in Israel do not have jurisdiction over matters in Occupied Territories. Barghouti should not have even been in Israel, it's against the Laws of war for the Occupying Power to remove persons rightly in Occupied Territories from Occupied Territories. 'fair trial' where Palestinians are concerned is an anathema to Israel

      "As an aside, during the waning days of the British Mandate, three young Jewish terrorists were arrested and charged with the capital crime of weapons possession. They refused to acknowledge the authority of the court, refused to cross examine witnesses, and stood and sang Hatikvah during their sentencing.

      The young terrorists all swung on the gallows."

      So? They were terrorists and the British DID have administrative power and jurisdiction in Palestine under the LON Mandate for Palestine

      "They were fools"

      They were Jewish terrorists

    • @ Jackdaw May 11, 2017, 12:54 am

      "Here is Gurfinkle’s ruling on the murder trial of Barghouti."

      Under International Law Zvi Gurfinkel didn't have jurisdiction

      ".. this ruling is where you start your analysis"

      1) From a judge who didn't understand they didn't have jurisdiction? Sure thing.
      2) Strange. It's where Mr. Simon Foreman started his analysis! http://www.ipu.org/hr-e/174/report.htm

      People don't do research and give links for the information to be ignored by rrrrrrsols for coloniozation. No siree ma'am! By answering your constant stream of ZioCrap, they educate folk who're actually interested in peace

      Keep up th' good work

  • New charter, old politics
    • A few things to keep in mind:

      Hamas was formed in 1987after
      90 years of Zionist colonization since 1897 http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8632-jewish-colonial-trust-the-judische-colonialbank
      39 years of Israeli occupation since 1948 http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk#googlemap
      20 years of occupation and illegal annexation by Israel of East Jerusalem in 1967 http://wp.me/pDB7k-1gM
      Today (2015) in response to more than a century of Zionist colonization

      Hamas is only one of the Palestinian political parties

      Hamas does not at the moment represent the Palestinian people in so called 'negotiations' with Israel. Negotiations with Israel only mean Palestinians forgoing more of their legal rights so Israel can benefit. They are not under any legal, moral, ethical or logically obligation to forgo ANY of their rights, not even to a Jewish State

      Recognition isn't mandatory http://tinyurl.com/n6ftzn

      There's no legal obligation for political parties or states to recognize any state in order for the Israeli Occupation to end. Calls by the UNSC for Israel to end occupation do not require recognition by Palestine or any of its political parties. Nor do they require negotiations whereby Palestinians have to forgo any of their legal rights

    • @ JustJessetr May 10, 2017, 11:11 pm

      "Nothing would give me greater pleasure than if you both killed each other fighting over Hamas. Please continue"

      Advocating murder over a discussion? WOW!!

      Thx for showing us the kind of person attracted by the continued Zionist colonization of Palestine

      Keep up the good work

    • Does what mean JustJessetr? You forgot to mention.

  • Jake Sullivan seeks to rebrand 'American exceptionalism'
    • "One quote and a couple of sentences is all I can fit in it."

      Usually more than enough to make me break out in a coffee spilling grin. I have it under control. Sip, swallow, put the coffee cup down, read Mooser's comment, wallow

  • 100 senators throw their bodies down to end UN 'bias' against Israel
    • Ooops left a bit off:

      Germany has paid billions and billions of dollars compensation to Israel. Israel didn’t even exist until 1948. Germany took no Israeli territories or Israeli lives or Israeli properties. UNRWA cared for Jewish refugees from 1949 - 1952/3 when Israel took over the responsibility. Have any of the German reparations to Israel go to UNRWA? Was Israel paying UNRWA for the care it gave Jewish refugees? Where has the money gone? Why are Holocaust survivors in Israel living in poverty?

    • Equal treatment for Israel?

      OK. Iraq was booted out of Kuwait

      Boot Israel out of all non-Israeli territories it has invaded since 1948.

      Iraq was sanctioned based on bullsh*t about weapons of mass destruction

      Sanction Israel it HAS nukes and refuses to sign the NPT

      Sanctions on Nth Korea for its nuclear activities

      Sanction Israel for its nuclear activities

      Germany has paid billions and billions of dollars compensation to Israel. Israel didn't even exist until 1948. Germany took no Israeli territories or Israeli lives or Israeli properties

      Israel should be paying billions of dollars for Palestinian territories it has acquired by war and the thousands of dispossessed and slaughtered Palestinians

      Israel can't afford to be treated equally

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