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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace


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  • Israel detains 10 high school students in Jerusalem's Old City
    • "“deliberately throwing rocks at the street endangering public safety of locals, tourists, and security forces that travel by (al-Wad) street every day.”

      Occupied Territories are a war zone. This amounts to the IDF hiding behind civilians who should not be in the area.

  • New ad campaign in college papers calls out Israeli leaders' bigotry against Palestinians
    • @ HarryLaw

      Rabbi Jonathan Sacks "Well….actually I have never experienced antisemitism myself"

      Nor have I, except from Zionist supporters who hate more than anyone Jews who do not support the Zionist Colonization of Palestine

    • @ HarryLaw October 18, 2016, 3:23 pm

      "The Palestinians have decided to accept a two state solution based on the borders roughly of the green line at the end of the 1967 war"

      The Green Line was a ceasefire line from 1948 agreed by Moshe Dayan and Abdullah el Tell 30th November 1948. Being the only mapped cease fire agreement, it was subsequently incorporated into the Armistice Agreements of 1949.

      "There is no State, political party or Agency anywhere in the world including in Israel/Palestine that advocates for a one state solution. If one exists could you tell me who they are?"

      Zionist Israel.

  • 'State of Terror,' by Thomas Suárez
    • @ jackdaw October 19, 2016, 1:33 pm

      "The Balfour Declaration wasn’t about helping the Jews. It was about HMG’s desperate war time gamble to curry favor with wealthy Jews.

      The LoN Mandate wasn’t about helping Jews ‘settle the land’. It was about HMG setting up a quasi-colony to secure oil from Iraq and to buffer the French from the Suez Canal"

      Strange. A) The Zionist Federation decided to colonize Palestine .. in 1897, 20 years before B) Zionists wrote the Balfour Declaration and a quarter of a century before C) Zionists agreed to the LoN Mandate for Palestine

      "Fincham needs to stop pointing his finger at the Zionists, and consider Perfidious Albion"

      See A) B) C)

      Your rhetoric is irrelevant to the fact that Israel and its borders were proclaimed in 1948, effective at precisely 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) and that Israel has been in breach of its obligations to International Law from that moment

    • @ Jackdaw October 18, 2016, 1:50 pm

      "Epstein’s letter may have been a lie"

      It was obviously a lie. Israel had no intention of “... discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law.”

      Jewish forces were already in breach of International Law the day Israel was proclaimed, invading territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Incrimination by their own words is the most damning evidence

      Menachem Begin:

      “We intend to attack, conquer and keep until we have the whole of Palestine and Transjordan in a Greater Jewish State”. link to

      And on the 3rd of June 1948, Ben-Gurion reported to the Provisional Government of Israel

      “In the last three weeks our armed forces have done an excellent job. They are striking at the Arab Triangle and they stand at the gates of Jenin. Tulkarm is under attack and Nablus quivers with fear. ”.

      The last three weeks refers to the period 13th May to 3rd June 1948. They were 'striking' Arab territories.

      Israel was never invaded. None of its proclaimed territories have ever been taken. All its wars have been in territories outside the State of Israel and being preemptive, by definition started by Israel

      “ ... To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State. We have already struck at enemy concentrations in Syria and Lebanon; Amman, Abdullah's capital, has received its first warning in the form of an Israeli air attack. ”

      Already in complete disregard of their self proclaimed obligation to International Law which required states to have " ... respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;"

    • Jackdaw October 18, 2016, 1:50 pm

      "Epstein’s letter may have been a lie"

      Interesting, tho not unexpected. Must make you feel so proud!

      " but how many times did HMG lie to the Zionists, beginning with Balfour ( when they’d already promised to divide the Levant with the French or give Palestine to the Arabs)?"

      A) How was it a lie to advocate for a homeland for Jewish folk in Palestine?

      B) It was made quite clear by the British White Papers the HMG didn't advocate a Jewish state!
      link to

      Nor did the LoN Mandate for Palestine link to

      C) They didn't promise to 'divide' the Levant with the French except for the purpose of administrating the respective states towards their eventual independence

      D) Palestine was already majority Arab

      E) You're talking the usual Zionist sh*te!

      F) Zionists lied

      British White Paper (1922) ” It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government." link to

    • @ echinococcus October 18, 2016, 12:10 pm

      "For fck’s sake, can’t you read?"

      You're making accusations. I'm merely presenting, as far as I know, factual information that might help shine light on the situation. If you don't like the facts, it's not my problem, I can't change 'em

      "When did you answer the question on difference between compromise (which no one is opposing in principle) and long-term abandonment of rights?"

      A) I haven't advocated compromise (with Israel), in fact I've constantly advocated against it "Get out of all non-Israeli territories"

      (with Israel) If the Zionists insist Israel must exist as a state, then that state should be held to its legal obligations. My argument is with them, not you

      B) I didn't advocate anyone abandoning their rights. I merely stated a fact. By declaring their state within the pre '67 'borders' (1949 Armistice Demarcation Lines) and thru its subsequent recognition, Palestine abandoned the right to Persistent Objection over territories illegally acquired by force thru Jewish terrorism and Israeli forces 1947/48/49.

      As I've said all along, those territories have yet to be legally annexed to Israel via an agreement or treaty reached thru a plebiscite/referendum of the rightful (Palestinian) inhabitants of those territories.

      The point still remains, Palestine has forgone its right to persistent objection, which does not necessarily preclude eventual 'restoration' of those territories, even, according to Schwebel/Herzog/Lauterpacht, by war! . Not that they have the means nor currently allies willing to commit to war on their behalf

      Meanwhile, thru a long list of conflicting statements the Zionist/Jewish Agency et al lost all right to Persistent Objection long before 1947

      "That about legitimate plebiscite vs. fake representatives or self-appointed representatives?"

      I've already covered that issue here on MW and elsewhere. link to

      But for argument's sake Ok. Have it your way. Who does represent the Palestinian people? link to

      "That on the absence of an obligation to avoid any mention of the illegality of the Zionist entity anywhere while you pursue your game of trying to hold the Zionist pirates accountable to their own admissions. A worthwile game, perhaps, but with no obligation to avoid underlining the illegality of its very presence."

      For fck’s sake, can’t you read? Illegal, illegitimate, like it or not, the State of Israel exists. I've never expressed support for Israel as it is and I've certainly never expressed support for the Zionist organization or any of its institutions. I consider it to be a 1897 pyramid scheme, requiring more and more territory to survive link to

      "One thing I know, most of your output is just helping Zionist propaganda while you continue protesting"

      My banning from the Guardian, Wikipedia and numerous pro-Zionist and even some moderate media outlets has not been for helping Zionist propaganda. They hate factual information revealing the deceit perpetuated by the Zionist enterprise

    • @ echinococcus October 18, 2016, 5:31 am

      "No use trying to discuss anything with someone who never ever reads what’s being said or asked. All you do is repeat your stuff without ever addressing the objections, which remain unanswered across some 10 or so exchanges."

      What is there to object to?

      I agree that the state of Israel was was founded on a gross injustice. It never the less now exists, whether you or I like it or not, and as such ought be bought to task in accordance with the obligations it undertook in order to exist.

    • @ echinococcus October 17, 2016, 9:29 pm

      Whether you and/or I think Israel and its International recognition was illegal or illegitimate and/or a gross injustice, will not make it go away

      It won't undo the lies told by the Zionist Movement thru the Jewish Agency and successive Israeli Governments

      It won't undupe anyone sucked in by Zionist propaganda and it won't get an inch of Palestinian territory out of Zionism's vile clutches. It won't change anything on the ground

      Showing folk, thru the broken words of the Zionist Movement and it's representatives, just how deceitful and immoral the Zionist enterprise is and just how low those who promote it are willing to sink, will eventually help bring about change

      BTW The Palestinian Declaration of Statehood was adopted by the Palestinian National Council 253 in favour 46 against 10 abstentions

    • @ echinococcus October 17, 2016, 3:54 am

      You're vitriol is misplaced. Save it for the despicable Zionist Enterprise

      I agree that how the State of Israel came to exist was against the very notions embodied in the UN Charter

      Like it or not, legitimate or illegitimate, the majority of the International Comity of Nations recognize Israel does exist. They should therefore hold it to account from the exact moment of its self proclaimed and recognized existence

      Like it or not, the Palestinians declared statehood in 1988, have been recognized according to their declaration and are considered by the majority of the International Comity of Nations to be occupied by Israel

      Like it or not, in declaring their state, the Palestinians no longer have the right of Persistent Objection re-territories acquired ('47 - 49) thru terrorism and war on behalf of the Jewish State

      "Giving up basic rights is not likely to make the compromise acceptable: are you really so naive you believe any Zionist government will take it?"

      A) I've not advocated giving up basic rights. Like it or not, by declaring statehood as they have, Palestinians have forgone their right to Persistent Objection

      B) Of course they won't. The Zionist pyramid scheme can only survive by going in one direction. The plan to colonize all of Palestine has never changed link to

    • MaxNarr October 17, 2016, 9:22 am

      " ... all Israeli “settlers” are ripe for execution and Israel has no right to exist on any borders."

      If you say so Max. I certainly haven't

      False accusations such as yours are against the basic tenets of Judaism. That you and your kind purposefully stray from those basic tenets on behalf of the war crimes of the so called Jewish state reveals just how low some folk'll go

    • @ inbound39 October 16, 2016, 1:13 pm

      " ... ... should be rolled back to within its declared borders"

      Israel's proclaimed borders were perhaps where some arguable justice once lay. They're an indicator of the once justifiable Palestinian rights to territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      They're an indicator of how far outside the law Israel has strayed and why UN and UNSC resolutions have been justifiably adopted against Israel's actions outside of its borders

      They're also an indicator as to who is actually making territorial concessions. Israeli concessions - 0. Palestinian concessions - accepting only a tiny fraction of their rightful territories.

      However, since the 1988 Palestinian Declaration Statehood outlining its hopes and aspirations for independence from Israeli occupation without actually declaring independence, Palestine has been recognized by the vast majority of the International Comity of Nations as a state, currently under occupation, thus not independent

      In declaring statehood, the Palestinians have forgone their
      A) right of Persistent Objection
      B) claim to territories outside of Palestine's recognized borders

      Meanwhile Israel in its usual disruptive 'keep the ball in the air' manner has not yet legally acquired under any agreement or treaty with Palestine, any of the territories it illegally acquired by war '1948/49 and;

      Even tho Palestine is willing to cede those territories to Israel and even tho the ICJ has signified that in its opinion from a Palestinian POV those territories are Israeli, Israel has yet to accept that situation and; until Israel does accept and legally annex, the majority of the International Community cannot acknowledge any legal acquisition of those territories by Israel.

    • "Please read the details of the Plan – it is all there in the text of the resolution. Nothing in the Plan allows for a Declaration of Independence by either party."


      When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them link to

      It was written in order of how events were envisioned to unfold.
      1) a transition period wherein the parties were tasked with preparing the machinations of statehood towards independence, after which;
      2) either party could declare effective independent statehood once their respective territories were free of British administration under the LoN Mandate for Palestine . Then, as states;
      3) join the Economic Union

      PART I

      Future constitution and government of Palestine



      C. DECLARATION ...


      1. The Provisional Council of Government of each State shall enter into an undertaking with respect to economic union and transit.

    • There is no article in UNGA res 181 requiring the co-signing of one party's declaration of independence by the other party. Independence by its very definition is unilateral!

    • Point: "In fact, they were to be joined in a confederation effectively under UN trusteeship, and created by a process in which there was no place for a unilateral declaration of independence."

      Independence is by its very nature unilateral. One cannot be independent whilst under occupation or dependent on another party. The British had to end their occupation (under the LoN Mandate for Palestine) so that either Arab or Jewish party could declare independence, unilaterally. Neither party was obliged to co-sign the others declaration.

  • The battle over Obama's legacy, featuring Netanyahu, Zogby, liberal Zionists, and 88 senators
  • The Jewish confession on a future Yom Kippur
    • @ Jerry J October 20, 2016, 2:18 am

      "Inbound39, that is BS and hateful. Who are you to define a Jew?"

      He didn't define a Jew. He said " Ashkenazi Jews in Israel have no connection ,historical or otherwise to the Middle East. Their connection is solely to Europe."

      Oh. I get your point. Ashkenazim are not Jews.

    • Never ending BS is so amusing

      @ Mikhael October 20, 2016, 12:29 am

      CigarGod October 16, 2016, 9:21 pm

      They killed or drove out any original Jew who spoke up in opposition to Zionist tactics.
      Plenty of history on it if you dig deep enough.

      "History belies your assertion"

      You didn't include any verifiable history.

      "Leaving aside the fact that the Zionists who moved to Ereṣ Yisra’el in the 19th and 20th centuries were just much “original Jews” as the many Jewish families that had been living in the country continuously for centuries"

      Best left aside as it's a nonsense statement

    • Official Israeli Government admissions to Occupying non-Israeli territories prior to 1967

      link to


      BTW Comments are still misbehaving ... Firefox tells me the Article Pages have to wait for ever for

      Google Analytics before they're fully loaded "Transfering data from w w w."
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    • Do Israeli Jews even know they shoot 13 year old boys in the legs for allegedly doing what David did?

  • Kafka in Area C
    • The Zionist colonial enterprise can't afford to acknowledge Israel's borders or the difference between non-Israeli real estate (land and/or property) and non-Israeli territory for the simple reason that all pyramid schemes need more and more to survive, their lust for territory will never be satisfied

      So they lie about it, to themselves and anyone else gullible enough to take their worthless word link to

      Real estate: individuals, trusts, businesses, organizations, even foreign governments and foreign government owned institutions and businesses can own 'real estate' in a territory other than their own. However, the ownership of 'real estate' doesn't give them any rights to or over 'territory'

      Territory and territorial rights: belong to all the legitimate inhabitants of the territory, regardless of whether they own/rent/lease 'real estate' or are homeless and living under a bridge.

      The Palestinians don't have to show deeds or keys to 'real estate' in order to prove their collective rights to and over non-Israeli (Palestinian) 'territory'

      Put simply, 'territories' "outside the State of Israel" that have never been legally acquired by consent of the legitimate inhabitants, are not Israeli, no matter who owns the 'real estate'.

      If the 'territory' in the region isn't recognized as Israeli, Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian or Egyptian, it's Palestinian, regardless of who owns the 'real estate', regardless of whether Palestine was a state or not , regardless of the lies about making the desert bloom, regardless of what Mark Twain might have said, regardless of where Arafat was born, regardless of whether Israel is or is not the only democracy in the region, regardless of all the bullsh*t justifications the Zionist enterprise spouts

      When a territory is occupied, the Occupying Power is legally obliged to adhere to the Laws of War in respect to that occupation and since 1945 UN Members are obliged to comply with Chapt XI of the UN Charter

  • Problem with Comments
  • A lot of the grief over Shimon Peres is grief over the end of the two-state solution
    • @ jon s October 1, 2016, 5:12 pm

      "In the period 1922-1948 Palestine was administerd by the British as a League of Nations mandate, so I don’t think that it can be referred to as a “state”- bi national or otherwise – in that period."

      You've been shown what the LoN Covenant and the Mandate for Palestine say several times, yet you continue to bullsh*t. You say you're a teacher. One might be forgiven surely of thinking you teach bullsh*t or that you bullsh*t about being a teacher, because you display the intellect of an imbecile.

      1) The State of Palestine's 'recognition' was conditional. Recognition is entirely dependent on something 1st existing. Example: Israel existed before it was recognized.
      A) See the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States "The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states." link to )
      B) See the Lon Covenant

      LoN Covenant 1919
      ARTICLE 22. link to

      To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant. (later adopted into the UN Charter as Chapt XI)

      Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

      Other peoples, especially those of Central Africa ...

      I don't believe Palestine was in Central Africa


      LoN Mandate for Palestine ART. 7.

      The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.
      link to

      The Nationality Law was adopted in 1925. Palestine was a Nation State when it was partitioned by default of Israel unilaterally proclaiming itself independent of Palestine, effective 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to

      BTW .... Thanks again for affording the opportunity to show readers just how empty Ziopuke can be. Keep up the good work

  • Shimon Peres, Israel's greatest ambassador, will be remembered for enabling oppression of the Palestinians
    • @ jon s September 30, 2016, 10:06 am

      "No Jew is a foreigner in our historic homeland."

      A) foreigner
      link to
      ( and jon s says he's a teacher )

      B) link to

      Zionism obviously rots moral fibre, integrity, intellect and the brain it seems. Reducing whoever is infected by it to a jibbering idiot, incapable of being truthful, willing to say anything no matter how ridiculous or false or how insane it makes them look

    • @ jon s September 30, 2016, 10:06 am

      "No Jew is a foreigner in our historic homeland"

      Strange, all but one of the signatories to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel were not from the region

      David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland – Palestine 1906
      Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine) – Palestine 1938
      Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus – Palestine 1904
      Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine) – Palestine 1907
      Saadia Kobashi – Yemen – Palestine 1909
      Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine) – Palestine 1914
      Rachel Cohen – Odesa – Palestine 1919
      David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary – Palestine 1925
      Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland – Palestine 1920
      Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus – Palestine 1932
      Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia – Palestine 1907
      Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia – Palestine 1940
      Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia – Palestine 1920
      Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany – Netherlands til Palestine 1936
      Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia – Palestine 1924
      Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland) – US 1907 – Palestine 1935
      Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark – Palestine 1934
      Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany – Palestine 1926
      Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia – Palestine 1927
      David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia – Palestine 1913
      Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland – Palestine 1933
      Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland – Palestine 1924
      Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine – Palestine 1920
      Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia – Palestine 1924
      Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine – Palestine 1921
      Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ? – Palestine unsure (England during WWW2)
      Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland – Palestine 1925
      Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria /Hungary – Palestine 1939
      Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia – Palestine 1932
      Zvi Segal – Lithuania – Palestine unsure
      Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
      Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania – Palestine 1938
      Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia – Palestine 1913
      Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus – Palestine 1925
      Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia – Lithuania/Japan/Canada 1941 – Palestine 1947

    • Perhaps it shows the compassion and forgiveness of the Palestinians

      More than can be said of Israeli leaders non-attendance at Arafat's funeral

      Oh BTW ... So you’re willing to take Palestinian citizenship, right? link to

    • Shimon Peres

      Had no ties to the land, he was a foreigner to the region
      He didn't make any desert bloom
      He was a warmonger, liar and terrorist

      link to

  • Shimon Peres, dead at 93
  • Netanyahu and US neocons describe Israel as a miracle God helped to create
    • A) Where was God during the Holocaust? Playing godlf?

      B) International Law, the Rights and Duties of States, the UN Charter, the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel and the Israeli Government plea for and subsequent recognition, don't mention God

  • In full page NYT ad, liberal Zionist group calls for ethnic segregation to retain Jewish majority within Israel
    • @ jon s September 26, 2016, 2:42 am

      "I’ve been away from this forum for a while. I notice that the commenter profile/ archive function doesn’t work. Is that temporary?"

      I'm sure it'll be fixed sooner than getting an honest reply from any of the Israeli propagandists who frequent MW link to

    • @ jon s September 26, 2016, 2:38 am

      "Back in 1947 the UN recommended “partition” and that’s still the best possible way to go , both morally sound and politically feasible, aka “the 2 state solution”"

      Which Israel accepted despite already having Jewish forces over the borders it proclaimed effective May 15th 1948. Borders by which Israel was specifically recognized link to

      Glad we got that sorted. So you're willing to take Palestinian citizenship, right?

    • “Separation between Israelis and Palestinians is Essential. No separation today means a Palestinian majority by 2020,” warned the public service announcement."

      Illogical crappolla written for folk who're either incapable of thinking for themselves or incapable of simple maths

      Even if Israel had allowed the return of its dispossessed non-Jewish Israeli citizens, the 500,000 or so Jewish folk from the Arab States by 1950 AND the hundreds of thousands of Jews from all over the world who have migrated to Israel since AND procreated, have pushed the number of Jewish folk in Israel way beyond any hope of a 'Palestinian' majority, ever!

      Even the 20% Arab figure is bullsh*t! The Jewish folk from Arab countries were ... ARAB!

      link to

      Furthermore the notion of differentiating by calling them Israelis and Palestinians is quite Naziesque! Those with Palestinian heritage, including Jewish Palestinians (1) or those from Brooklyn, Germany or China etc, are all Israelis and according to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, they're equal

      (1) Jewish history in the region was as Palestinians far longer than any Kingdom of David existed.

  • Palestinian fishermen struggle to survive next door to Netanyahu's palatial suburb
    • @ Jackdaw September 24, 2016, 1:30 am

      "My criteria is ..." ... not living under a life time of the brutal occupation that you and your fellowfools4Ziocrime support

      @ Jackdaw September 25, 2016, 12:20 am

      "You don’t have to look to far to find Nazis"

      Indeed. The Palestinians ask for their legal rights. ZioNazis demand what is not rightfully Israeli

      "When is Mondoweiss going to publish an article about all the Jews, religious and otherwise, who live below the poverty line?"

      How about after they've been under 70 years of occupation

    • Jackdaw Ziodumps then in desperation wades around in it

      @ Jackdaw September 23, 2016, 4:45 pm

      "How gross I am? Gross enough to have had two kids and shown some restraint afterwards"

      That's 50% buddy. Don't they teach basic maths in Ziomoron school?

    • Watching Zioidiots is so amusing

      @ Jackdaw September 23, 2016, 3:59 pm

      "Maybe things in Jisr aren’t as bad as Skylar makes them out to be.

      link to

      1st paragraph..

      Jisr az-Zarqa is a place of starkly apparent isolation and poverty

      "Since half of the town’s residents are children, the good people of Jisr al Zirkah might have been able to raise their standard of living by having less children"

      How Naziesque. Thanks for showing folk just how low you're willing to sink on behalf of Israel's ongoing illegal colonization of Palestine

      One woman and one man, two children = 50% children.

      Say ... by your criteria, if Jews had less children, less of our fellows would have been killed in the Holocaust

  • In a world of conflict, peace is celebrated only one day out of the year
  • NYU pro-Israel group blocks public from IDF terrorism talk at last minute
    • Sure it wasn't your tongue turning to ashes?

    • @ Steve Grover September 21, 2016, 3:45 pm

      "This is the reason why Weiss wasn’t let in. He infringes upon open and honest discourse and debate centering around legal and humanitarian issues pertaining to Israeli policy"

      How strange. The reason given by the law student contact was the event had been closed to the public and he isn't a student

      Thanks Steve for showing folk that idiotic supporters of the ongoing Zionist colonization of Palestine will say anything, no matter how bizarre or inaccurate.

      False accusations are against the basic common sense tenets of Judaism. Resorting to false accusations in support of the Jewish State's illegal activities is really quite bizarre

      The fact that so many of Steve's kind are willing to breaking the basic tenets of Judaism is indicative of just how low they're willing to sink

  • US aid deal gives green light to Israel's erasure of Palestine
    • "... so what sets the limit?"

      The Zionist Federation has had over a century to hone it's skills in collecting information on and being able to threaten people in power in order to have them comply.

      Obama is just another short term US President.

      The Zionist Colonization of Palestine is a long term project, with no back out plan simply because it cannot back out and survive

  • Two women's boats set sail for Gaza in effort to break blockade
  • 'There's no occupation'
    • They all know they're belligerent occupiers, they have to lie. The State of Israel cannot now suddenly adhere to the law. Under the Law, Israel would be sent bankrupt paying reparations and attempting to resettle hundreds of thousands of Israelis back into actual Israeli territories

      It is after all, a pyramid scheme that depends on more and more land sold on loan, at interest and developed and taxed

    • Classic stuff

      @ silamcuz September 15, 2016, 7:28 am

      Look, I honestly don’t see what’s the problem in Israel claiming there is no occupation, when other, much bigger countries do the same without much protests.

      Turtle Island has been occupied for over 500 years now"

      Of course you don't

      Meanwhile International Law has evolved and it has been since at least 1945 that the acquisition of territory by war has been inadmissible. Something to do with self determination a la an internationally recognized convention.

      Israel obliged itself to adhere to the Law

      " and I don’t see anyone disputing the legitimacy of the government that is occupying it, the government known as the USA"

      Oh my, where will all the American Jewish folk go? Nudge nudge wink wink Or more importantly, who the f*ck is gonna maintain the precious US veto in the UNSC

    • How many lies can Alan Baker tell in succession? You'll meet his crappolla over an over. Facts come in handy

      "International law defines “occupation” as one power occupying the lands of a foreign sovereign"

      International Law actually says this:

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III
      "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      "Israel entered the area known as the West Bank in 1967 and took over the authority to administer the land from Jordan, which was never considered to be a sovereign in the area"

      The West Bank as it is now officially named, was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI

      UNSC res 228 “Observing that this incident constituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan by the armed forces of Israel“

      "In actual fact, Israel and the Jewish people have got claims to the area that go far back into history. "

      The State of Israel only goes back as far as 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time)

      “... the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

      "Anybody who reads the Bible can appreciate the fact that there is a very solid historic legal basis to the claim of Israel with respect to the territories ..."

      The bible is not a legal document. The Israeli plea for recognition and subsequent "irrevocable recognitions" by other states were legal documents

      "... Israel is committed to conduct negotiations with the Palestinians in order to find a permanent settlement to the issue"

      Negotiations = Israel wants the Palestinians to forgo even more of their rightful territories after Israel was given completely gratis, more than half of Palestine for the Jewish State. Israel wants and has illegally acquired by war more than Israel proclaimed was Israeli and more than was recognized as Israeli

      "The Jordanians, who occupied the territory after the 1948 war, annexed it, but this annexation was never really recognized or acknowledged by the international community."

      Legality of annexation is not thru recognition, it's thru adherence to the Law in respect to self determination. The Jordanian annexation of the West Bank was by request of the majority of that territory's legitimate citizens. It was not condemned by the UNSC, unlike the condemnation of the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel in UNSC Resolution 476one of at least EIGHT reminders of the 21st May 1968 UNSC Res 252

      " At a later stage the king of Jordan voluntarily gave up any Jordanian sovereignty or claim to the territories to the Palestinian people ..."

      Ooooops. So Jordan was sovereign over the West Bank in 1967 and in 1988 gave up it's sovereignty to the Palestinian people. Those little loose ends in the Ziopuke narrative can be soooooooooooooo embarrassing

      "The international community’s constant referral to the “Palestinian territories” is a complete fallacy and has absolutely no legal or political basis"

      A) Oh what suddenly happened to "Jordan voluntarily gave up any Jordanian sovereignty or claim to the territories to the Palestinian people"
      B) The majority of the International Comity of Nations have already recognized the State of Palestine.

      "There has never been a Palestinian state, as such, and therefore the territories never belonged to any Palestinian entity"

      Article 7 of the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine and the adoption of the Palestine Nationality Law in 1925 tell us the poor man is delusional or a liar. Probably both

      Article 7 The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

      "There's no international agreement, there's no contract, there's no treaty, and there's no binding international resolution that determines that the territories belong to the Palestinians"

      Recognition of states by the majority of the International Comity of Nations is irrevocable. The majority have recognized the State of Palestine

      " ... the Palestinians themselves, in the Oslo agreement that they signed with Israel, acknowledge the fact that the ultimate permanent status of the territory is to be determined by negotiations. Therefore, even the Palestinians accept the fact that this is not Palestinian territory, its disputed territory whose status is yet to be settled

      So it isn't Israeli territory yet and it's under Israeli military occupation after having been under the sovereignty of Jordan who by 1967 was, including the West Bank, a UN Member State and a High Contracting Power to GC IV under which citizens of the Occupying Power may not illegally settle in Occupied Territories.

      "If the local population owns land, then the administrative power isn't allowed to take the land or use it. But if the land is not private, the administering power can use the land and enjoy the fruits of the land until sovereignty has been finally determined"

      A) Local land ownership is of 'real estate' B) Territory however, belongs to all the legitimate citizens of the territory, whether they own rent or lease 'real estate' or even if they're homeless living under a bridge

      Laws of War Art. 55. “The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.”

      Another ooooops moment

      "There's no such thing as 1967 borders. A border is a line between two sovereign entities. In 1967, there was a ceasefire line that had existed since the 1948-1949 war between the Arab states and Israel and after Israel declared its independence. The Jordanians insisted on inserting in the Armistice Agreement of 1949 a provision which says that the armistice demarcation line is not the final border."

      So Israel's only borders are those it proclaimed effective 00:01 May 15th 1948(ME time). Any other territories are not yet Israeli

      "Final borders can only be determined in peace negotiations between the parties"

      Nonsense. They could be determined by Israel withdrawing from all non-Israeli territories held under Israeli military occupation. Never been tried. Israeli withdrawal from other folks territories under the Jordan/Israel and Egypt/Israel treaties resulted in peace

  • Amos Oz would never stand in the street in Tel Aviv shouting 'Kill all the Arabs'
  • Israel's bogus civil war
  • Netanyahu's ghost on 'ethnic cleansing' video is rightwing pollster Luntz
    • @ DaBakr September 15, 2016, 11:07 pm

      " Like the million dollar Palestinian/bds hasbara industry hasn’t dumped millions into pressing their own language program"

      Source of this "millions" claim please ... thx ... I'll wait ...

      "Apartheid, zio-nazi, supremacist, colonial project, and so many more"

      Israeli actions are deserving of apt descriptions

      Apartheid is written into the Declaration of Statehood
      1) "The state of Israel ... will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel" link to
      2) There were no representatives of the non-Jewish inhabitants "Accordingly we, members of the People's Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel and of the Zionist Movement" link to

      Israel practices Naziesque tactics link to
      It's propagandists are supremacists link to
      It has been a colonial project since 1897 link to

      "And so man hypocrisy commenters here say zionists whine"

      Indeed you do and are now. Unfortunately and as usual not whining at those who promote the injustices necessary for the continued colonization of Palestine

      ".. you people are having a coniption fit over a simple short hasbara video that was completely legitimate..."

      Netayahu LIED. Lies in your eyes are legitimate. Interesting theory

      "Palestinians and bds people say horrible and untrue things about Israel all the time as a matter of policy"

      They call for Palestinian rights under the Laws and UN Charter Israel agreed to and then blatantly failed to uphold. You must be so proud

    • Uh oh. DaBakr goes for another pathetic whining wade in the Ziopoop pool

      @ DaBakr September 15, 2016, 11:07 pm

      " .... They talk about luntz putting together a language proposal that presents a pro Zionist perspective"

      Never mind the fact that it's precisely what Luntz talks about

    • @ Talkback "You are just another liar."

      They don't care. It's all part of a propagandist's tool kit

  • Settler driver kills six-year-old Palestinian, and her family says there will be no accountability
    • "The Israeli Supreme Court ruled on Sunday that a law that permits force feeding hunger-striking Palestinian prisoners is constitutional ..." - See more at: link to

      What are they whacked out on? Israel hasn't been able to write its promised constitution, without which there has never been a legally elected government in the State of Israel.

  • Stand with Standing Rock, and say no to Dakota Access Pipeline
  • Netanyahu's big lie
  • 'Peace Now' chief slams AIPAC for misrepresenting Jews -- but Peace Now is on AIPAC exec committee
  • Israeli government projects 'ethnic cleansing' on Palestinians
    • Ziostupidity never ceases to amaze ...

      @ Mayhem September 11, 2016, 7:48 pm

      "As the Arab countries have virtually cleansed their societies of Jews since the birth of Israel as it became completely untenable to live as a Jew in Arab society "

      Uh huh. It's quite normal for countries at war to expel or intern possible allies of their enemies. The US, Australia, UK did it to their citizens of Japanese and German heritage in WW2. It's also normal to allow their freedom and/or return after hostilities have ceased except where they have taken citizenship in a country other than that of return e.,g., Israel, wherein they forgo refugee status

      BTW Under the Israel/Jordan Peace Treaty, "Jews (Israelis)" as you put it, are specifically allowed. Goes to show what can happen when an aggressive rogue Zionist state withdraws from other folks territories.

      Furthermore despite Israel's illegal acquisition of the Golan Heights, the Syrian government was in the process of restoring about a dozen Synagogues for the Jewish community in Syria prior to the civil war and in Lebanon the same process of Synagogue restoratio. I can only think of one religion to use a Synagogue.

      "now the Palestinian Arabs want to achieve the same end"

      It's quite legal and common to bar foreigners from illegally entering and/or settling in one's country. Israel doesn't allow foreigners to illegally settle in Israeli territory, why should anyone else? Got a brain? Try using it for once!

      "Even if Jews (Israelis) were interested in living in a Palestinian run state it would eventually become insupportable"

      How strange! There are already tens of thousands of illegal Israeli settlers in Israeli Occupied Palestine

  • Netanyahu's 'ethnic cleansing' video earns strong rebuke from State Department
    • Like the supporters of the Zionist Colonization enterprise who leave their pathetic justifications on MW, Netanyahu is a blatant and pathetic liar.

      All Israelis, including non-Jews are prohibited from illegally settling in non-Israeli territories under Israeli occupation.

      Israel doesn't allow illegal settlers, why should Palestine?

  • Banned from leaving Gaza, Palestinian group rocks out at border
    • @ Talkback

      //“The Occupying Power orders borders/crossings into and out of Occupied Territories open and/or closed. ”//

      "I’m not sure about that"

      Israel, the Occupying Power is in ultimate control over what who and when passes in and out of the territories it occupies

      "Even EUBAM hasn’t been reinstalled, yet, or has it?"

      No. It hasn't

      // attacks on military are not terrorism //

      "Not sure about that either since Egypt is not in war with Palestine and is not its occupier. You can’t just attack military only because its military."

      Never the less, it's not terrorism

    • @ Talkback September 10, 2016, 4:27 am

      // “They have to apply to Israel …”//

      "If that would be the case the Gazans couldn’t and wouldn’t bribe the Egyptians which they do."

      Makes no sense at all. They're more likely to bribe Egypt to get into Egypt than the Occupying Power

      Egypt is not the occupying power. Egypt must comply under the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty. The Occupying Power orders borders/crossings into and out of Occupied Territories open and/or closed.

      Likewise under the Peace Treaty, Israel must prevent hostile agents entry into Egypt from territories occupied by Israel, so again Israel, the Occupying Power, orders borders/crossings into and out of Occupied Territories open and/or closed.

      " Egypt has virtually sealed the crossing since the terrorist attacks in the Sinai in October 2014 which killed 31 army and police soldiers"

      A) The crossing itself is not in Egypt.
      Egypt only controls its side of the border, AFTER the crossing.
      Egypt destroyed EGYPTIAN homes to create a buffer zone entirely on the EGYPTIAN side of the Palestine/Egyptian border link to
      Egypt did not destroy any Palestinian homes in Gaza

      Israel, the Occupying Power over Gaza, destroyed Palestinian homes in Gaza to create an Egypt/Gaza buffer zone entirely in Gaza

      B) (1) attacks on military are not terrorism (2) do you really think Israel wouldn't do false flag ops to preserve it's precious Zionist Colonization enterprise?

    • Abe Bird September 11, 2016, 6:31 am

      " ... I wonder why we blame Israel for that? Why not balming Egypt that acts the same policy against Hamas/Gaza?"

      Israel is the Occupying Power power Gaza, not Egypt. The Occupying Power dictates when the border crossings of Occupied Territories are open and closed, when what who goes in and comes out

      " Why to force Israel to freely open it’s border with her enemy entity?"

      Uh? Israel maintains it has never declared any borders, not that one can believe Israeli propaganda link to

      "As we are talking another 900 trucks full of food, medicine, cloths and building matterials enter Erez border gate today (daily) ... ... ... "

      Substantiate all your claims or shut it ... thx

    • DaBakr " they could have just as easily applied to leave through the other arab muslim nation that borders gaza. "

      They have to apply to Israel because it is the Occupying Power over Gaza, not Egypt.

      Like all shills for the Zionist Colonization enterprise, you're full of bullsh*t

  • NYC city council anti-BDS bill meets resistance from protesters
    • @ bettyberenson September 10, 2016, 6:44 pm

      "The Syrians are killing their people in the thousands, the Iranians are hanging gay men and killing women who have the courage of defiance, and you jokers are boycotting Israel, the scapegoat of the left. I am sad for you, because your hostility and ignorance make peace impossible."

      Lemme see what you're trying to say. If there wasn't a civil war in Syria now, the Zionist Federation would not have decided to colonize Palestine in 1897. Is that it?

      If Iran didn't hang murderers who happened to be gay, or is it that if Iran allowed gay people to murder, the state of Israel would not be in breach of International Law, the UN Charter and its own Declaration of independence and plea for recognition. Is that it? Seems really weird

      "I am sad for you, because your hostility and ignorance make peace impossible"

      Asking Israel to adhere to its legal obligations is hostile and ignorant and makes peace impossible or "From the river to the sea, Palestine will never be" is hostile and ignorant and makes peace impossible

      Zionist shills just don't seem to get the irony of what they say

  • Dozens of Spanish cities declare themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’
    • @ Jackdaw "Actually, the Jews are the indigenous people of the area. Try to disprove that fact."

      Oh FFS. It's disproved by the scriptures you putz. King David conquered someone, they certainly weren't Jewish

      " The Arabs came from Arabia and conquered the land much like the Conquistadores came from Spain and savagely colonized the New World"

      Neither were a majority replacing the indigenous populations. The Zionist Colonial pyramid scheme requires the dispossession of non-Jews in order to have a majority of Jews

      "All the Jews did, besides long for Zion, was accept the offer made to them by the League of Nations, and return to Zion"

      The offer was to settle in Palestine as citizens of Palestine. Article 7 LoN Mandate for Palestine link to

      So it wasn't all they did. The Jewish Agency demanded and lied to get a Jewish State where there was no right to have one under the Mandate.

      After getting their state, completely gratis, and on the day it was proclaimed effective, Jewish forces were already outside its borders, busy dispossessing even more non-Jews

      "You got a problem with that?"

      Sure do pal. It's another lying Ziodump. Like all your pathetic whining. You're trying to justify the unjustifiable and in the process showing yourself to be as far away from the basic common sense tenets of Judaism as it's possible to get

      The indigenous argument is irrelevant to the legal status of Israel's proclaimed territories and Israel's illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself said on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

    • @ Jackdaw September 10, 2016, 2:52 pm

      "The Spaniards are quite delusional if they think that throwing Israel under the bus is going to save them from Islamist terrorism, regional sectarianism, a weakening E.U. or the effects of global warming"

      If YOU say so Jackdaw. No one else has

      Most of the world's nations adhere to their legal obligations, they're not under any bus

    • None of the usual comments on the Haaretz article link to ... I wonder why

  • It's war between Netanyahu and the generals (and the PM may just have lost the corporal)
    • @ Jackdaw September 10, 2016, 2:55 pm

      Look up! Look up! The sky is falling."

      If you say so Jackdaw. No one else is

      Meanwhile Jackdaw thinks asking Israel to adhere its commitments to International Law, the UN Charter is throwing it under a bus See more at: link to, as if the sky is gonna fall on the poor little rogue state if it adheres to its legal obligations

  • Why segregation is the single most important issue in Israel, and practical ways to confront it
    • hophmi September 13, 2016, 11:06 am

      "Mine are perfectly verifiable"

      for this ... "I’d be willing to bet there is statistically more segregation between Black and White expectant mothers in the US … “ ... you didn't provide any

    • @ hophmi September 11, 2016, 12:53 am

      " the reason that the Lebanese have not extended citizenship to the Palestinians is the same reason the Syria’s haven’t."

      ... they're not obliged to extend citizenship to refugees who'd rather go home

      "They hate the Palestinians."

      Uh huh. Generously hosting folk for over half a century sure is a sign of hatred, many of whom are actually non-Jewish Israeli citizens BTW dispossessed by Israel

      " Much more than the Israeli ever will"

      So why doesn't Israel host any. FFS Israel doesn't even allow its own non-Jewish citizens from 1948 return

      @ hophmi September 11, 2016, 5:08 pm

      " As if Lebanon had a choice as Syria’s main border state"

      Strange Turkey, Jordan and Iraq have far longer borders with Syria than does Lebanon

      Can you be truthfull about anything? Or are you just plain ignorant, maybe mind numbingly stupid.

    • @ hophmi September 11, 2016, 1:03 am

      ". I’d be willing to bet there is statistically more segregation between Black and White expectant mothers in the US ... "

      A person who'd be willing to bet would produce some verifiable stats.

      "... than there is between Arabs and Jews in Israeli hospital"

      Interesting assertion. Especially as some 500,000 Arab Jews were absorbed into Israel in the 1950's link to

    • @ Mayhem September 11, 2016, 5:05 am

      "For those with thick skulls Netanyahu could have not have expressed it better>"

      You're right! Only someone with a thick skull would believe the lying sack of sh*t!

      "I look forward to greeting the first Israeli prime minister to visit Australia next year. Of course the intolerant left are bound to get very frenzied over this"

      'intolerant left'? Why should anyone tolerate a blatant liar?

      'left'? I see. So there's no sense of justice, truthfullness, decency, morality on the 'right'.

      Got your point, though I doubt you'd realize what you're making obvious

    • @ hophmi September 11, 2016, 12:55 am

      "Where is the Arab world today can Jews live as equal citizens with full rights without fear?"

      That'd be a problem Israel created in 1948 by having Jewish terrorist forces in breach of its borders the day they were proclaimed effective ... link to ... and ... link to ... Go whine to the people who covet and who've illegally acquired other folks territories and who planned the colonization of Palestine in 1897

    • Jon66 digs his cute Hasbara cat hole deeper

      "The peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt are not relevant."

      They show a 100% success rate for peace when Israel withdraws from territory that's not its own

      "It seems reasonable to believe that the Palestinian refugees are sympathetic to countries that Israel is at war with ... "

      A) They're countries at war with Israel because Israel is illegally in their territory
      B) Not all Palestine refugees are Palestinian, those with RoR to Israel are Israelis whose home land is in Israel, like;
      C) the 20% of non-Jewish Israelis still in Israel, who're very likely to be sympathetic to countries Israel is at war with for the simple reason that Israel is stealing other folks territories. No one likes a thief except other thieves

      "So is it reasonable for Israel to not allow refugees who are sympathetic to countries Israel is at war with to be refused entry at this time to Israel"

      No. It's 'reasonable' that Israel adhere to International Law, the UN Charter and relative Conventions and get out of all non-Israeli territories for once. It's never been tried

      "It shouldn’t matter who currently hosts the refugees, only the fact that the refugees themselves are potential allies of the opposing side"

      So get out of other folks territories as required by law. End the wars.

      "Lebanon is not at war with Palestine, but it refuses to grant Palestinians citizenship and keeps them in camps"

      B) It has generously hosted them, some for 70 years A) They don't want Lebanese citizenship, their homeland is a few kilometres south in Israel and in Palestinian territories

      "Is it therefore reasonable for Israel to treat Sudanese similarly?"

      Israel is treating Sudanese refugee worse you bl**dy cretin. The Arab States have granted refugee status to hundreds of thousands of Palestine refugees for more than half a century. Israel has granted how many Sudanese refugee status? link to

    • Mayhem September 8, 2016, 11:52 pm

      "when on the other side we have the makings of a totally racist society where Jews will not be permitted to live at all"

      Strange. You quoted Erekat, wherein there was no mention of Jews

      Try something else, you're failing .... constantly

    • @ Jon66 September 9, 2016, 7:20 am

      "Since Israel is still in a state of war with two of its neighbors"

      Three of its neighbours Mr History teacher ... Lebanon, Syria and Palestine!

      " should Israel allow the return of “possible allies of one’s enemies” before the resolution of the war?"

      Catch up Mr History teacher. Israel has Peace Treaties with Jordan and Egypt, per the 'Three Nos' and UNSC 242 !

      Israel refuses to allow the return of Palestine refugees currently in Jordan and Egypt to:
      A) Palestinian territories and it;
      B) refuses to allow return of non-Jewish Israeli refugees currently in Jordan and Egypt to Israeli territory.

      Furthermore, Israel perpetuates its wars by refusing to withdraw from other folks territories. Under the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty, Israel withdrew from Egyptian territories per UNSC res 242 (ibid).

      Withdrawal for peace. Quite simple, get out of other folk's territories, especially as Israel was already granted, completely gratis, more than enough territory to accommodate everyone of our Jewish fellows on the planet today.

      "Do you think Israel’s refusal to integrate Sudanese refugees is justifiable?"

      A) Israel isn't at war with Sudan ... or is it? B) While accusing the Arab states who've generously hosted Palestine refugees for 70 years of failing to integrate Palestine refugees, it's hypocritical!

      Your Hasbara glad bag is empty, always has been empty, always will be empty

    • GregMozart does a smelly Ziodump. What a wade

      "... segregation has unfortunate consequences, not just in Israel but also in other countries. Including in the USA where I live"

      Segregation by law, as in Israel? WOW Greg!! Best you tell the US Judiciary

      "Palestinians also experience segregation in other countries in the region"

      Refugees are segregated in EVERY country where they do not want or take citizenship. Palestinian refugees would rather not lose their homeland by abandoning it to the Zionist Colonization enterprise, especially those non-Jewish Israeli citizens whose homes were in territory Israel proclaimed as its state

      " It’s all the more egregious when it’s de jure, when they’re being kept in “ghettos” similar to how Jews were kept by Christians, based on their ancestry only"

      B) It's actually because they're refugees who'd rather go home.
      A) Rather more egregious in large lumps that Israel, by Israeli Law, forbids the return of Palestinians AND non-Israeli cleansed by Jewish terrorists1947 and Israel in 1948/49 and 1966 when the so called '67 war was initiated by Israel.

      All the more egregious because Israel refuses RoR for non-Jewish Israeli refugees now in the camps in Gaza/Lebanon/Syria/Jordan/Egypt and any other country where they have been generously hosted for the past 69 years.

      "I know I have a different viewpoint than many people on this forum"

      Disseminating bullsh*t by calling it a 'viewpoint' is propaganda. A viewpoint surely requires seeing what is there before formulating an opinion. The wholly holey Hasbara is so empty of fact and logic, there's nothing there to see on which to base an opinion that favours it's purpose.

      "... I see the same pattern when it comes to Syrian refugees..."

      Me too. The same pattern. Israel accepts none while the the Arab States generously host them as they have many non-Jewish Israeli citizens for more than half a century. Unlike the the Zionist Movement's state policies on non-Jewish Israeli citizens it has dispossessed

      "example in Kuwait they actively expelled 200,000 Palestinians after the gulf war because PLO sided with Hussein"

      It's normal for countries involved in hostilities to expel or intern possible allies of one's enemies. It's also normal to allow their return if they were citizens, which the Palestinians were not!

      "After Black September, the Jordanian relationship with West Bank Palestinians soured and in 1988 they revoked their passports"

      A) State governments, even if a dictatorship, have a right, and duty, to protect the majority of its citizens from uprisings by an armed minority, especially of that minority are not permanent citizens of that state.

      B) Of course they revoked their passports, in 1988 the West Bank reverted to the Palestinians under the Jordan/Israel Peace Treaty, no longer a part of the State of Jordan, which by 1967 was a UN Member and High Contracting Power (signatory to GC IV). According to the UNSC (UNSC res 288 of 1966) "Hebron" in the the West Bank was a part of Jordan.

      Observing that this incident constituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan [ the southern Hebron area ] by the armed forces of Israel

      Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter and of the General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan;

      "... I applaud Jordan for taking so many Palestinian refugees, and Lebanon for taking so many Syrian refugees"

      Uh? Might pay you to read what you'd previously written

      " ... don’t you think every country should OFFER every native-born resident an OPTION of citizenship, without waiting for another country (e.g. Israel) to give them a right of return?"

      So, that's 'every country' EXCEPT the country most involved. EXCEPT the country that has a legal obligation to allow its own non-Jewish citizens return!

      " Do you think every person who was born in country X deserves the choice to build a life and not be discriminated against based on their ancestry?"

      EXCEPT non-Jewish Israeli refugees of 1948 who were dispossessed by Israel?

      "We can certainly criticize Israel ... "

      I haven't noticed any attempt on your part. There's a lot to choose from.

      Were Israel, the State declared on my behalf, NOT in breach of the International Law, the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, the UN Charter, GC IV andJudaism's basic tenets, I wouldn't have need to criticize it, which would be an enormous relief

      " but let’s not let Anti-Zionism blind us to the plight of native-born Lebanese, etc. who are being denied basic civil rights and citizenship solely because of their Palestinian ancestry"

      Try something else pal. It's because they'd rather go live in their recent ancestral homeland instead of losing it to the Zionist Colonial Enterprise

      " Say what you want about refugees, but at least for people natively born in a country, they deserve to be given the option to have the same rights as everyone else. That’s my view"

      EXCEPT if they're non-Jewish Israeli refugees it seems, born in territory that Israel proclaimed and was recognized as Israeli

      " ... within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947... "

  • New call for US investigation into killing of Palestinian-American teen in West Bank
    • Is there no end to the idiocy?

      @ DaBakr September 10, 2016, 10:25 pm

      "... like there was really a large outcry for an investigation of the 13yrs old american girl who had her throat cut from a ‘lone wolf’ ... ... "

      "The assailant was shot and killed, the Israel Defense Forces said".

      You want them to interrogate his dead body? If they did investigate it wouldn't surprise me if they found some other culprit, illegal settlers aren't exactly known for their adherence to any moral code I'm aware of

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