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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace


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  • Gaza 2 years on: These children are now gone forever and an empty space remains
    • @ Mayhem

      "Israel went to unprecedented lengths to minimize civilian casualties but war is war"

      Bullsh*t! Israel, the Occupying Power had all Gaza's borders closed, including those with Egypt.

      Illegal under Geneva Convention 1V…Section II..Occupied territories..Art49…The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Civilians could not even flee into the sea, because Israel controls the Palestinian territorial waters.

      "Hamas had been firing thousands of rockets at Israel for years"

      The IDF Memorial site statistics show us that there have been more attacks on Israeli military and injuries and deaths of Israeli military than there have been on Israeli civilians. The number of Israeli civilians injured and/or killed is far far below the expected collateral of war.

      Furthermore under the Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
      Q1: Where could the innocent civilians of Gaza have gone, when all means of escape were closed?
      Q2: Of what use were the weapons available to the Palestinians as defense against an Israeli ship, miles out to sea, firing artillery shells into the territory or against a missile, fired from a fighter plane?

    • @ DaBakr August 29, 2016, 5:17 pm

      "maybe the vastly-by 1000s- greater numbers of children being killed daily in the greater middle east "

      Yessireeee. Widely reported in the MSM already.

      Lemme see If I get your drift

      ... if MW also covered what's already widely known, Israel would:

      end the Occupation?
      withdraw its military and citizens to it's self proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders?
      suddenly pay compensation for 68 years of belligerence?
      suddenly allow its non-Jewish Israeli refugees RoR!

      Is that what you're trying to say?

    • @ DaBakr August 29, 2016, 5:17 pm

      " we’ve heard it before: end the i/p conflict, destroy the zionist entity and the greater middle east will become a paradise for children, women and minorities as well"

      Heard it where?

  • Israel bans entry for two more US activists
    • @ Ally_Mayhem August 30, 2016, 10:45 am

      "Wow! The level of anti semitism is very strong here."

      Cite it ... verbatim ... thx

      " Let me give you guys a history lesson. Israel has been home to the Jews for over 5000 years. "

      It's been home for others for far far longer. King David conquered someone who lived there before Judaism was even thought of and Jewish history in the region was as Palestinian Jews for far longer than any Kingdom of David or State of Israel. About 2,000 years, from at least the Roman era until 1948

      " In 1917, there was the Balfour declaration that specifically stated that the Jews had the right to return to the land."

      The Balfour declaration was one government minister. It wasn't even British policy at the time. The declaration wasn't even discussed in the British Parliament at the time! It was only later adopted into the LoN Mandate for Palestine, in particular Article 7

      "In 1922, the land was devided into Jordan for the muslims and British mandate Palestine which was meant for the Jews"

      Bullsh*t! Read Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine link to

      "That was still the partition in 1948 when Israel became independent"

      More bullsh*t! The partition plan divided the territory into two parts. The LoN Mandate for Palestine demanded the British keep Palestine as one state for both Jews and non-Jewish Palestinians and assist it to independent statehood. As such the British could not approve of partition.

      " There was no Muslim occupied Palestine at the time "

      So what? Israel proclaimed its frontiers May 15th 1948 in its plea for International recognition as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.:" link to

      What lay outside of those frontiers was quite simply not Israeli. Nor has Israel legally annexed any of the territories it illegally acquired by war since declaring its frontiers effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time)

      Go Ziopoop elsewhere

  • The Palestine-Israel language trap
  • Druze Arabs in the occupied Golan Heights discuss borders, identity, colonialism and war
    • @ DaBakr

      "if i had a nickel for every anti-israel zionist hating true-believing mediocre minded dreamer who ‘warned’ about the impending “halt” israel will be coming to ... "

      I'm sure Hitler felt the same invincibility

    • @ Talkback August 21, 2016, 5:07 am

      "The settler state has started a war in 67"

      1966 to be precise link to

    • @ DaBakr August 20, 2016, 9:27 pm

      "Assad and his father have had more then 40yrs to ‘take back the golan’ but have done absolutely nothing."

      Odd. They've followed the correct channels ( legal ). It's Israel who is in breach of the laws of occupation ( illegal )

      Like all stupid Ziopropagandists, you're barking at the wrong people

  • 'The Forward' fails to find source of anti-semitism hoax that its reporter concocted (Updated)
    • Supporters of Israel's crimes simply don't know when to stop blaming everyone else, twisting adding or omitting, fabricating justifications or when to stop outright lying! It's an illness brought about by over a hundred years of Zionist brain washing

  • 'NYT' and Sen. Murphy have a double standard on Yemen and Gaza slaughters
  • The last Gaza war worried Scotland's Jews-- for all the wrong reasons
    • @ catalan August 16, 2016, 2:34 pm

      “When I think about my Jewish ancestral heritage, I want to jump in the shower and scrub. -” Yoni //

      "I feel the exact same way ... In spite of the power that I yield as a Jew over the worlds of finance, entertainment, and law"

      Take your hands off that and raise them in the air, turn around slowly and step out of the shower

  • Beinart calls anti-Zionists 'revolutionaries'
    • So why do they still use home made rockets hophmi ?

      hophmi! You there? Hey! hophmi!

    • @ hophmi August 22, 2016, 11:44 am

      "The Palestinians have plenty of weapons, which they’ve turned on the Israelis before, and they have plenty of well-armed benefactors in the regions who will willingness give them weapons, like Iran"

      So why do they still use home made rockets?

    • @ ClearAndPresentDanger August 20, 2016, 1:22 pm

      "One would do well to recall that 5-6 Arab neighbors replied with a resounding ‘nyet’ to the entire UN Partition Plan"

      So what? It wasn't binding on anyone who didn't accept it. Their rejection of the plan is also irrelevant to the fact that territories outside the proclaimed and Internationally recognized boundaries of the State of Israel are quite simply NOT Israeli. link to

      Also irrelevant to the illegality of Israeli actions in non-Israeli territories,never legally annexed and illegally acquired by war and; irrelevant to Israel's illegal activities in territories militarily occupied by Israel.

      "... by unilaterally attacking Israel in 1948"

      A) What Israeli territory was invaded?

      B) No Israeli territory has ever been invaded.

      On May 22, 1948 - UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.

      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?

      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel , are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"

      The Arab states had a legal right under Chapter VII of the UN Charter to inform the UNSC of their intentions and attempt to expel Jewish forces from territories the Israeli Government claimed on 22nd May 1948 "outside the State of Israel" ..."in Palestine"

      "The Arabs lost in 1948"

      Strange, they prevented Israel from taking Judea and Samaria and Gaza. Also irrelevant to the illegal acquisition by Israel of territory by war or force

      "... now they want a do-over including a return to the 1948 lines that they rejected"

      That's not what the Palestinian declaration of statehood tells us. Nor is it what the Arab Peace initiative tells us. You're full of Ziosh*te

    • @ hophmi August 17, 2016, 11:34 am

      "Resolution 194 is a GA resolution and is non-binding"

      The Laws, conventions and UN charter as cited, reaffirmed and/or emphasized in ANY UN resolution, are binding.

      "2. Here’s the UN’s partition plan map. The plan envisaged a Jewish state and an Arab state. That’s what the UN envisaged. Two states, one for Jews, and one for Arabs."

      ... and the corpus separatum, which has never been instituted, I.e., Jerusalem has never been legally separated from Palestine, it was not proclaimed by the Israeli Government as Israeli and has never been legally annexed by any agreement to Israel.

    • @ mcohen

      "who was president or prime minister.any about coins ... "

      A) Irrelevant to the legal status of Israel's proclaimed and internationally recognized territorial extent as of 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time link to ) and Israel's continued illegal activities in non-Israeli territories held under military occupation.

      Territories "outside the state of Israel" are quite simply NOT Israeli. link to

      B) Even Israel used the Palestine Pound as its first currency.

  • Boycott, from within and without
    • "3) Return of Palestinian refugees. Ah, this must be the difficult one. The argument here is, that potential return of about 7 million refugees>"

      The figure has nothing to do with RoR claimed by the Palestinians under UNGA res 194 written in 1948!

      UNRWA (1949) didn't exist in 1948. The UNRWA definition (1949) cannot possibly apply to UNGA 194 (1948) and;
      the UNRWA definition and Ziospouted figure is only to ascertain who qualifies for assistance while they're refugees, UNRWA doesn't have any say in final status link to

      Dispossessed non-Jewish Israeli citizens and their lineal descendants have Right of Return only to the Israeli territories they left.

      ".. Refugees from Israel- controlled territory amount to approximately 711,000" ... Israeli controlled areas, including territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine".

      By 1950 Israel's Jewish population was boosted by some 500,000 Arab Jews from the Arab States ... there has been a continual influx of Jews into Israel since 1948. There has NOT been any significant influx of non-Jewish Arabs into actual Israeli territories.

      Simple maths tell us Israel's Jewish population long ago exceeded the non-Jewish population even if those dispossessed non-Jewish Israeli citizens and their lineal descendants were allowed to return.

    • @ Jon66

      "I think it should be, Where there are peace treaties, Israel has withdrawn"

      No interim withdrawal, no peace.

      The treaty demands action without which the words are ineffective

    • @ Jon66 August 18, 2016, 10:51 pm

      "I forgot. The source for this BS as you call it is the Jordanian govt.
      link to "

      Interesting, however it's only the opinion of an un-named author. Only the Peace Treaty text is the peace treaty. What was said before and or after is not the peace treaty and doesn't change the text of the Peace Treaty.

      Read the relative annex referencing the borders on link to [ link to ]

      “Strange, when Israel withdrew from Egyptian territories as required under UNSC res 242, peaceful relations were assumed"

      ”No. Relations were resumed upon completion of the interim, that is partial, withdrawal"

      Indeed. Interim was part of Israel withdrawing from Egyptian territories per UNSC res 242, as mentioned in the Peace Treaty. If Israel did not execute and complete the interim withdrawal ... go figure

      "Complete withdrawal of Israeli forces was not required to begin normal and friendly relations"

      Correct. I didn't say complete or all

      "Israel and Palestine should begin talks and after agreeing upon peace terms, including any territorial withdrawal, peace should be established as it was with both Egypt and Jordan"

      Catch up pal. They did that at Oslo. Israel continued the occupation, continued lusting after non-Israeli territories, continued assisting Israeli Jewish civilians to illegally settle in harms way in Occupied Territories

      Empty your mind of Ziopuke, then read the Egypt/Israeli Peace Treaty ... carefully

      Article 3 - International Boundary
      1. The international boundary between Jordan and Israel is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and coordinates specified therein.
      2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognized international boundary between Jordan and Israel, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967

    • @ Raphael August 18, 2016, 9:37 am

      states are all required however to have “respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force”

      "That is what I meant"

      You're babbling!

      " ... they do not even respect basic sovereign rights of individual Israelis; or rights as a nation state, home for the Jewish people."

      Strange. Israel started ALL its wars which have ALL been fought in and over non-Israeli territories.

      Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were already in non-Israeli territories the day Israel's borders were proclaimed. No Israeli territories were invaded nor have any Israeli territories been occupied. link to

      Where Israel has withdrawn from non-Israeli territories there are Peace Treaties. Egypt and Jordan.

      "They close off of all discussion for peace, because they are at war"

      The Occupying Power is first required to agree to and then withdraw.

    • @ Jon66 August 18, 2016, 9:10 am

      "You are reversing the order of events"

      Very funny.

      " Israel and Egypt first negotiated the terms of withdrawal and peace"

      Precisely, between Egypt and Israel. The peace treaty was not between Israel and Palestine. There was no negotiation over their respective borders because Egypt's borders were defined long long before Israel proclaimed its own

      "Unilateral Israeli withdrawal did not occur."

      Only one state held territory of the other A) No Israeli territory was held by Egypt. B) Read the actual Peace Treaty

      Article I

      1. The state of war between the Parties will be terminated and peace will be established between them upon the exchange of instruments of ratification of this Treaty.

      2. Israel will withdraw all its armed forces and civilians from the Sinai behind the international boundary between Egypt and mandated Palestine, as provided in the annexed protocol (Annex I), and Egypt will resume the exercise of its full sovereignty over the Sinai.

      3. Upon completion of the interim withdrawal provided for in Annex I, the parties will establish normal and friendly relations, in accordance with Article III (3).

      Article II

      The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip ... link to

      "Similarly with Jordan ... Moreover, the treaty defined Jordan’s western borders clearly and conclusively for the first time"

      More bullsh&t! Jordanian borders were defined by 1946, before Israel proclaimed its borders May 15th 1948 in its plea for recognition

      "AFTER the treaty was signed Israel withdrew"

      WOW!! Ya don't say! That's amazing!

    • @ Raphael August 17, 2016, 7:06 pm

      "... The Arabs were and are a warlike tribe..."

      So were the French when their country was invaded. Can you name anyone who wasn't warlike when invaded?

      "they are warlike and brutal, and, did not, and do not seek to live with their neighbors in peace"

      Strange, when Israel withdrew from Egyptian territories as required under UNSC res 242, peaceful relations were assumed. Ditto Jordan. While Israel occupies other folks territories, it is at war.

      "so the Israelis were and are justified in the self defense of their land"

      Israelis are entitled to Israeli territory and defense of that territory as it was proclaimed and recognized by the majority of the International comity of Nations and International Law & conventions per the UN. link to

      Israelis, be they Jewish or non-Jewish, are NOT entitled to settle in non Israeli territories held under military occupation and thus far, Israel has not legally annexed ANY of the territories it has acquired by war since proclaiming its borders effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to

      "The Arabs even until this present day refuse to even acknowledge that Israel exists ... "

      So what? Recognition of statehood is not mandatory. ” the view of the United States, International Law does not require a state to recognize another state; it is a matter for the judgment of each state whether an entity merits recognition as a state. In reaching this judgment, the United States has traditionally looked for the establishment of certain facts. The United States has also taken into account whether the entity in question has attracted the recognition of the International community of states.”. There are UN Member states who do not recognize each other, yet the UN has accepted them as members.

      States are all required however to have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force" something Israel has failed to do, having attacked all its neighbours' territories and started every one of its wars including 1966 -67 . link to

      NO ONE HAS EVER INVADED ANY ISRAELI TERRITORY (ooops my caps were on ... oh well too late now, may as well bold as well) ALL OF ISRAEL'S WARS HAVE BEEN FOUGHT IN NON-ISRAELI TERRITORIES, I.E., IN TERRITORIES THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLEDGED ON MAY 22ND 1948 AS BEING "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "... because, the Arabs are at war with them ..."

      You have conveniently omitted because Israel occupies non-Israeli territories and has done so for over 68 years link to

      "I’m not even a Jew, I’m a non Jewish Jew; that became a Israeli, so I’m a second class citizen of the Middle East… one class above a Arab that is third class citizen, or resident"

      Irrelevant. BTW if you're not Jewish by birth or religion or conversion, you're not even a non-Jewish Jew

      "I say it in all sincerity ... ... blah blah "

      LOL Your wading around in Ziopoop is hilarious stuff

      "After all is said… it is not the UN, or the US, or the Arab States, or American Jews that the Arabs in Judea and Samaria will have to negotiate a deal with… it is with Israel."

      There's no legal requirement what so ever to negotiate with an Occupying Power except on how and when the Occupying Power will withdraw. See the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty, which is based on UNSC res 242 which doesn't even contain the word 'negotiate'!

      "why not simply live in peace with one another, by having a nation within a nation"

      There was. Palestine, a Nation State under the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7

      "the nation of Israel first?"

      Why? Palestine was there for the major part of 2,000 years from at least the Roman era , far far longer than any Jewish state existed. link to In fact, Jewish history in the region has been for the major part, as Palestinian Jews

      "Then look at creative ways rather then destructive ways to communicate with each other day to day."

      How about Israel creatively for once F*CK OFF (ooops caps again) from all non-Israeli territories it covets and has illegally acquired by war over the past 68 years

      There is not a single argument you can put forward that will ever justify Israel's crimes against the Palestinians

    • @ benedict August 15, 2016, 4:44 pm

      "In the case of BDS the ultimate goal is to destroy the Jewish state."

      Quote please ... thx ... I'll wait!

      "Assuming the goals of BDS will ever materialize ... "

      Speculation based on unsupported assumptions are such fun

      " ... it will risk the lives of countless Israeli jews and dash the hope for jewish independence. Why should any sane Israeli support such goals?"

      Indeed. Why would anyone support these alleged, unsubstantiated, goals. Furthermore, why would any sane person make unsubstantiated accusations

      Ziopoopers are well known here for inventing crappolla then speculating and asking questions based on their stupid fantasies

      As for risking the lives of Israeli Jews, best they get out of all non-Israeli territories they occupy. What kind of sick state for 68 years encourages its civilians to put themselves and their children in harms way in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

  • Olympian at the checkpoint: why a Palestinian swimmer couldn't train in Jerusalem
    • @ ClearAndPresentDanger - does a Ziodump

      "The Palestinians have supposedly chosen to not build Olympic pools..."

      Says who?

      "Nor have they chosen to declare their nation"

      Catch up. They declared in 1988, offering to accept only 22% of their rightful territory for peace with Israel. It's been on offer for almost 30 years. Israel's answer is to illegally settle more and more

      " and build a country"

      Impossible under a military occupation that dispossesses, illegally settles, restricts trade imports and exports, withholds taxes, destroys infrastructure, steals resources, slaughters at will and has isolated Gaza & the West Bank from each other

      ... instead being content with first Egypt and Jordan preventing them for decades from having their own nation"

      Neither Egypt or Jordan prevented them from anything. Egypt occupied Gaza via the Armistice Agreement with Israel and per the UN Charter Chapt XI. Israel signed the Armistice Agreement with Jordan and Jordan legally annexed the West Bank as a trustee at the request of the majority of the legitimate inhabitants.

      Israel's gluttony for non-Israeli territory and the ongoing military occupation has prevented a Palestinian State gaining independence

      " then allowing kleptos like the Egyptian Arafat "

      The final audit for the International Monetary Fund says you're spouting Ziopoop
      “In total, the Fund estimates, the amounts diverted from the official budget from 1995 until 2000, when the diversions stopped, may have exceeded $898m. IMF officials say $799m was returned to the PA, with the difference accounted for by investment losses………the bulk of the money diverted from the budget – including all the Swiss bank accounts – was either given back or invested in companies that became part of the PIF, an assertion backed by the IMF”

      " and now Abu Mazen to do the same, and in the process siphoning off the billion$ of foreign aid they have received"

      Evidence please ... I'll wait

    • Mayhem Ziodumps on the Palestinians August 14, 2016, 4:56 am

      "Palestinians competing at the Olympics are an embarrassment. They don’t have the wherewithal. "

      That's why you're here I guess. A wee Ziotirade, a tired Ziotactic. Attack in order to defend the indefensible

      Who should be embarrassed tho? They haven't the wherewithal for anything much. It has been Israel for the last 68 years preventing the establishment of a Palestinian State, 68 years actively preventing Palestine's economy from growing and who now withholds taxes, destroys Palestinian infrastructure, destroys simple water projects funded by international donors, agriculture, destroys businesses, prevents Palestinian exports, creating a situation where now thousands of Palestinians sneak unapproved into territories Israel has illegally acquired by war just to earn a meager living. Proving BTW, the separation barrier isn't effective in stopping suicide attacks

      "Their presence at Rio has nothing to do with them having any sporting prowess; they are showing up just to win propaganda points"

      Oh FFS All your comments are entirely just to win propaganda points. At which failing spectacularly seems to be your forte. Can't be difficult the way the wholly holey Hasbara leaks crappolla

      "Mohammed Abu Khoussa, the first Palestinian runner to compete in the 100-meter event in the Olympics ran the worst time 11:89 of all competitors in the heats of the event"

      No disparaging remarks about any other of the plethora of competitors who came last ... why not? tch tch tch!

    • @ asherpat August 14, 2016, 3:17 am

      "Well, no doubt, this is an embarrassing loss for the anti-Israel crowd"

      Hasbara bullsh*t, the ongoing illegal occupation of non-Israeli territories , the dispossession of non-Jews from land and territories the Zionist Movement's state covets and ignoring the basic tenets of Judaism are an embarrassing loss for Israel.

      " You are obsessed with finishing us"


      " we are obsessed with surviving"

      Go survive in Israel, that's what it's for surely

  • In overwhelming vote, leading Lutheran branch calls on US to cut off aid to Israel
    • @ Talkback

      You have to feel sorry for the poor schmuck who takes the MaxNarr shift

      "OK, who's doin' th' MaxNarr shift? "

      "No sir, never again " ...

      "Nor me. Act real stupid and say idiotic nonsense? No sir " ... "Why don't you do it yourself? Max was your stupid idea? Ha ha ha ha !!! "

      "I'll pay you double!"

      "Is that all? ... No sir!" ... "Nor me! Try Mooser over at MW! Ha ha ha ha !!!

      "F*ck all of youze, I'll do it myself!"

      "LOL. You always do. "

    • Exactly what is MaxNarr trying to say @ August 14, 2016, 11:36 am ?

      "Never forget that Martin Luther urged his followers to burn all synagogues in Germany to the ground"

      That justifies Israel being in breach of International Law?

      The Lutheran Church must now either remain silent or approve of Israel's crimes?

    • @ jon s August 14, 2016, 8:58 am

      "According to Blaine Coleman – thanks for the honesty- the goal of BDS is to abolish the state of Israel. "

      Uh? Blaine Coleman's statement isn't that of the BDS movement.

      Try something else.

      "Just noting"

      Uh? There's an 'h' in 'just nothing' !

  • Israel calls on citizens to ‘turn in’ boycott activists for deportation
    • "But if it’s a group which is mainly involved in promoting the boycott and delegitimization of Israel"

      LOL ... Netanyahu et al and the illegal Israeli settlers in non-Israeli territory held under Israeli occupation are the greatest delegitimizers of Israel

  • Canadian Greens back BDS
    • A Zio-dump @ DaBakr August 8, 2016, 7:21 pm

      "have the rights of indigenous canadian peoples that have been displaced from their native lands over centuries (like many jews were displaced and scattered through northern africa, persia and the caucauses after the arab/muslim conquest) taken a back seat to palestinians who descend mostly from the arab colonizers of the levant circa 600-900 ce"

      Try something else from the bag of Zio-nonsense

      Canada's indigenous population can vote for the controlling Canadian Government. Palestinians can't vote for the Government of "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      BTW Canada stopped colonizing other folks territory decades ago. So did the UK, Australia, the USA. Israel CONTINUES to colonize non Israeli territories and to dispossess the legal inhabitants to this very day

    • Canadian equivalent of AIPAC is the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA)

  • Jewish organizations' response to Black Lives Matter platform demonstrates inability to engage with reality in Israel
    • @ Sibiriak " So, if a Palestinian kills or attempts to kill a a single Jewish Israeli with the intentions described in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, that act can be legitimately and usefully labelled an act of genocide or attempted genocide?"

      Same rule applies to all. However, the intentions of 'a Palestinian' is not the same as a set of state policies. In one instance a person commits the crime, in the other a state commits the crime.

    • @ yonah fredman "If you feel that adding the word “genocide” contributes to a discussion about Gaza, let me hear your argument"

      Try something else ...

      Killing one person with the intentions described under the Internationally accepted legal definition, i.e., that of the UN whose membership is composed of the vast majority of the world's states, is enough to qualify a single death as a genocidal act link to

      If you feel that not including genocide in the dialogue contributes to a balanced discussion about Gaza, let us hear your argument

  • Out of 1.8 million Gazans, 250 over age 50 are allowed to travel to Jerusalem to pray
    • @ Mayhem

      "How many Jews are permitted to pray on the Temple Mount?"

      So what? There's no Synagogue on the Temple Mount and there are serious doubts there was actually ever a Jewish temple in that location. Likewise why would a Jew want to go to Medina in Saudi Arabia? They're centres for and of the Islamic religion

    • @ Boomer .. hi

      "My understanding is that before the military took over in Egypt, some (but not many) Gaza residents managed to get out through Egypt. Now, as far as I am aware, that avenue is largely closed"

      It's not a matter for Egypt. Israel is the Occupying Power over Gaza and as such Israel demands Egypt close the Egyptian/Gaza crossings. The Occupying Power decides who what how and when anything goes into or out of Occupied Territories

  • Israel lobby panics about 'spoiled' next generation of American leaders turning against it
    • @ Raphael August 8, 2016, 6:02 pm

      " .... I spoke to many Arabs, I don’t recall them ever saying that all they want is a secular democratic state, on equal terms, with the Jews in West Jerusalem.

      It's been the Arab policy for decades link to

  • Anti-occupation activists stand with Black Lives Matter as Jewish orgs attack movement over Israel criticisms
    • "In the Palestine you Zio-supremacists insist never existed. Interesting:"

      LOL. They always slip up in their own bullsh*te

    • @ Jackdaw August 14, 2016, 2:15 am

      // @talknic

      “Again? Why? RU really that stupid? ” //

      "RU really that desperate?"

      No. You are though. Desperate and stupid beyond belief

      "The League of Nations agreed that Jews, exclusively, should be given the right to settle in Palestine as citizens of Palestine"

      Word search for "exclusively" Result - 0 / Word search for "exclusive" Result - 0 link to

      Read the Mandate

      Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine
      ART. 2.

      The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion
      ART. 5.

      The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power
      ART. 6.

      The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions ... etc etc ...

      British White Paper 1922: link to

      Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

      It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

      Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status.

      British White Paper 1939: link to It has been urged that the expression "a national home for the Jewish people" offered a prospect that Palestine might in due course become a Jewish State or Commonwealth. His Majesty's Government do not wish to contest the view, which was expressed by the Royal Commission, that the Zionist leaders at the time of the issue of the Balfour Declaration recognised that an ultimate Jewish State was not precluded by the terms of the Declaration. But, with the Royal Commission, His Majesty's Government believe that the framers of the Mandate in which the Balfour Declaration was embodied could not have intended that Palestine should be converted into a Jewish State against the will of the Arab population of the country. That Palestine was not to be converted into a Jewish State might be held to be implied in the passage from the Command Paper of 1922 which reads as follows

      "Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

      But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.

      " The Zionists made it clear to the League that once Jews became the majority in Palestine, the, the Jews, would opt for a Jewish State"

      Jews didn't ever become a majority in Palestine.

      "A State cannot transfer it’s citizens to an Occupied Territory. That would be illegal. That’s not what happened at Hebron’s Park Hotel back in 1968. Those individuals had acted on their own."

      Read the 1949 Armistice Agreement

      Article IV

      3. Rules and regulations of the armed forces of the Parties, which prohibit civilians from crossing the fighting lines or entering the area between the lines, shall remain in effect after the signing of this Agreement with application to the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI. link to

      " The government did move the citizens to a nearby military base, also not illegal"

      Very funny. Hiding behind civilians

      "As far as the meaning of ‘frontier’, a frontier can be a border line and a frontier can be a zone"

      Read the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT statement of the 22nd May 1948 in regards to territories "outside the State of Israel"

      Keep up the good work

    • @ Jackdaw August 13, 2016, 1:54 pm Does Ziodrivel 101

      "What Mandate Article says that Arabs coming to Palestine are to be granted Palestinian citizenship?"

      Strange, the conversation was about Jews. Here is what I answered to

      Didn’t the League of Nations invite world Jewry to return to Eretz Yisroel and ‘close settle’ the land and establish their own government?” - See more at: link to

      Typical of a moronic Zionist propagandist to change the subject to suit the muck they have to offer

      "You mean an Arab, granted Israeli citizenship was not free to move and settle in Nablus?"

      Nablus is not in Israel.

      "Interesting. You mean a Jew or Arab ..."

      I meant what I wrote. Israelis are prohibited by International Law from settling in non Israeli territories under Israeli military occupation.

      "The State of Israel was required to arrest and send him back over the Green Line? Interesting. Prove it."

      Again? Why? RU really that stupid?

    • @ Jackdaw August 12, 2016, 1:07 pm

      "I’m aware of the Epstein letter, but not entirely sure what the term ‘frontiers’ means"

      Uh huh. The Israeli Government (Eliahu Epstein was only the delivery boy) seemed to be quite sure in their replies to the UNSC May 22nd 1948. link to

      BTW Your link tells us nothing

      "Jews were given the right to closely settle in all of Mandatory Palestine."

      As citizens of the Nation State of Palestine, per Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine.

      Ever read Article 7 of the Mandate? link to .... makes interesting reading ... try not to vomit to much

      "They could have settled in Nablus, and the did settle in Gush Etzion"

      As citizens of the Nation State of Palestine, per Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine.

      "What extinguished that right to settle anywhere in Palestine? "

      When they became ISRAELI citizens. Be they Jewish or non-Jewish, Israeli citizens are expressly prohibited from settling in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli military occupation

      "The illegal intervention and occupation of the West Bank by the Kingdom of Jordan?"

      "illegal intervention" under what ruling by which body?

      Transjordan and the other Arab States had a right to intervene in non-Israeli territories being invaded by Israel. There is no UNSC condemnation of the Arab State's Declaration of the Invasion of "Palestine"

      Illegal occupation? Strange. Israel agreed under the Israel Jordan Armistice AGREEMENT. If the Jordanian occupation was illegal, so was the Israeli occupation.

      The West Bank as it is now officially named, was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI

      "Who nullified that right, and when?"

      Israel, when it became a state with defined boundaries. Now Israeli citizens, including Jews, are expressly prohibited from from settling in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli military occupation.

      Try something else pal. Nothing you've said or will ever say can justify Israel's illegal activities outside its proclaimed and Internationally recognized boundaries.

      Of course you will ignore what I've set out above, however you've afforded yet another opportunity to inform honest readers of some simple facts that show your rhetoric to be typical Zionist bullsh*t!

    • @ Jackdaw

      "Who is the indigenous people, or tribe, of Eretz Yisroel? Who can trace their roots to that area and can show that no SURVIVING PEOPLES OR TRIBE lived there before them?"

      Completely irrelevant to Israel's proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel's subsequent illegal activities in territories"outside the State of Israel"

      Didn’t the League of Nations invite world Jewry to return to Eretz Yisroel and ‘close settle’ the land and establish their own government?"

      As citizens of the Nation State of Palestine ... yes, according to Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine link to

      However, when Israel proclaimed its borders effective 1 minute after the Mandate expired midnight May 14th 1948, the legal extent of the Jewish State was limited to within those proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders link to

      "Didn’t some members of HMG actually promise the Jews a State of their own?"

      So what? HMG Government DIDN'T! British White paper 1922
      Re-iterated in the British White paper 1939

      "‘In a private conversation at Balfour’s House in the summer of 1921, both Balfour and the Prime Minister contradicted him [Churchill] and told Churchill that “by the Declaration they always meant an eventual Jewish State.” Martin Gilbert, Winston S. Churchill: Companion Volume, Vol. 4, Part3: April 1921-November 1922, p. 1559.(Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1975"

      Interesting piece of history, but so what? Israel proclaimed and was recognized " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" No more, no less.

      What Churchill might have said in private in 1922 became irrelevant the moment Israel proclaimed its borders

    • @ Jackdaw

      "LOL. I rent"

      LOL You rent 'real estate'! Territory on the other hand belongs to all its legitimate inhabitants whether they won real estate, rent real estate or live under a bridge. It does not belong to an Occupying Power such as Israel

      "We know Mooser lives in Seattle on land stolen from Native Americans"

      So does AIPAC and the Zionist Organization of America.

      BTW the US, UK, Australia, stopped colonizing decades ago. Israel continues TODAY to colonize non-Israeli territories and dispossess the legal inhabitants of the territories Israel covets

  • Video: Israeli soldier throws 8-year old Palestinian girl's bike into bushes
    • @ Mayhem “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

      You'd know

    • @ Mayhem

      "Not easy for Jews to settle into a community full of Muslims who have demeaned them throughout history"

      Not easy to sit idly by and watch Zionists colonizing your country. Especially after having gained their Jewish State, they still want more and are willing to ignore International Law, the UN Charter, the Israeli Declaration of statehood, the basic tenets of Judaism, all the while demeaning you, in order to achieve their aim

    • @ Mayhem August 7, 2016, 1:11 am

      "I am entitled to live in Australia because I am Australian"

      WOW!! Israelis are allowed to live in Israel. They're not allowed by International Law to live in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli military occupation

      " Jews are entitled to live in greater Israel because they are Jewish; this is where their roots lie and Israel is the Jewish state"

      Problem. The Occupied Territories are not in Israel and unless Jews wanting to settle there become Palestinian citizens they, as Israeli citizens, are prohibited from settling in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli Occupation.

    • @ Mayhem

      "... you should bury you legalistic gobbledegook once and for all because this isn’t where the conflict exists today. "

      Bullsh*te is your forte, not mine

    • @ Mayhem August 5, 2016, 3:24 am

      "Pray tell why aren’t the Palestinians permitted to use the road now . Could it be because of terror threats and constant friction between settlers and Palestinians?"

      The settlers have no right to be there at all.

      " Jews have a right to live in Hebron."

      Not as Israeli citizens, because Hebron isn't legally in Israel. You've been told this before and presented with evidence of the fact from the UNSC. Maybe you're really really REALLY stupid. It does seem to be the only qualification needed to serve as a propagandist for the Zionist Colonization of non-Israeli territories

  • Netanyahu distorts a Palestinian's helpless reaction to occupying soldiers to dehumanize Palestinian parents
    • @ Jon66 August 8, 2016, 10:40 am

      // Marnie,
      “Btw – slut-shaming is a concept that’s way over your head dude"//

      "Perhaps if you typed very slowly I could wrap my feeble mind around it"

      To a mind infected with Zio-slam-shutting, wrapping itself around and rapping anything other than Ziocrap is all but impossible without self implosion.

      One only has to tug at any of the myriad of loose ends in the Zionist narrative to watch them and their arguments unravel

    • Netanyahu shows us time and time again the evil person he is

  • Israeli racism unmasks Netanyahu goodwill video
    • @ Mikhael August 5, 2016, 1:00 am

      digs his cathole deeper

      "There is not one right under Israeli law that Jewish citizens of Israel have that non-Jewish citizens of Israel do not have"

      Marriage law. Jewish Israelis can marry a non Israeli and cohabit in Israel. Non-Jewish Israeli Arabs are restricted

      " And non-Jewish citizens of Israel have more legal rights in Israel than Jewish non-citizens"

      Oh WOW!! Most if not all countries, grant their citizens more rights than they do non-citizens

      "Non-citizens of Israel, especially those who live abroad, Jewish or non-Jewish, do not have the same rights."

      WOW!! You're really on a roll now!

      "Now, you will predictably link to the Israeli Declaration of Independence and claim that it grants every non-Jew who fled the former British Mandate of Palestine Israeli citizenship. This is false."

      Your assumption as to what I will claim is false.

      The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel is quite clearly talking about non-Jewish Israelis

      "We appeal - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions"

    • @ Mikhael August 25, 2016, 1:01 am

      "... you’ve offered no refutation of them except repeatedly intone a mantra of a state that should treat non-citizens as equally as citizens"Your mantra, not eljay

      "... which is the only logical conclusion that can be arrived at from your incessant repetition that Israel is at fault for not treating “citizens, expats, refugees and immigrants equally”

      Word search : “citizens, expats, refugees and immigrants equally” 1 result ... your words. Typical Ziopuke tactic. Make something up, falsely attribute it, then base a pathetic nonsensical argument on your fabrication

      "Whether my comments are verbose or not doesn’t address the validity of their content"

      Your comment content has no validity in respect to justifying Israel's illegal actions in non-Israeli territories held under Military Occupation by Israel.

      "I guess you’re making up your own definitions for these words that you use then. For example, “non-Jewish Israeli refugees”. You’ve never explained what that is. "

      Try the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel non-Jewish Israeli citizens

    • Typical Zionist propagandist ignores what has been said and digs his cathole deeper

      @ Jon66 August 4, 2016, 11:50 am

      Do you view having a religious symbol on the national flag as a form of discrimination in those countries which have multiple religions?"

      If they're discriminated against. Non-Jews in Israel are!

    • @ Jon66

      "Roughly a third of all countries, 64, have religious symbols on their flags. This doesn’t mean that the citizens of those countries who are of religions not depicted on the flag do not feel as included. But it is an accepted practice around the world and not generally viewed as discrimination"

      Could be because they're NOT discriminated against as are many non-Jews in Israel

    • What I think of that brave soldier is simply unpublishable

    • @ affinity292 " I invite anyone who cares enough to be bothered to actually read the list for oneself and apply critical thinking skills"

      Oh. OK ... Meanwhile, in the critical thinking skills area ... "To say that the law discriminates, presumably because the flag includes a Star of David .. "

      It includes a religious symbol for Jews only. There are numerous religions in Israel.

      "... is akin to saying that the U.S. flag, with its 13 stripes, discriminates against the 37 states that were not among the 13 original colonies ... "

      Uh huh. The 37 states were not colonies, so they're discriminated against by not being included with the colonies. Makes Ziosense to someone with Ziocriticalthinkingskills ... I guess.

  • Five US citizens detained, interrogated, denied entry to Israel
    • @ aloeste

      "only a fool lets his enemy into his country"

      Would you say that someone who wants to colonize your country was an enemy? link to

      "they have more chance to enter israel than jews do to saudi…"

      A) Apparently not. They were refused entry into Israel and Gaza and the West Bank/East Jerusalem

      B) Why would a Jew want to go to Saudi Arabia? BTW It's Israelis who're prevented from entering Saudi Arabia

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