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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace

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  • 'An Arab is an Arab'
    • @ Boris

      "From what I can see this identity was created in late 60’s in order to undermine the legitimacy of the only Jewish state "

      When the only thing you look at is Zionist crap, that's all you'll see

      League of Nations Mandate for PALESTINE

      Article 7 of the League of Nations Mandate for PALESTINE " The Administration of PALESTINE shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of PALESTINIAN citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine. "

      PALESTINIANNationality Law was passed in 1925.

      Palestine was a Nation in 1925. It had a defined territory, laws and International trading partners, its own currency.

      The State of Israel didn't exist until, according to the provisional Israeli Government, precisely 00:01 May 15th 1948 link to trumanlibrary.org and it was limited by proclamation and International recognition to the territory " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" and for the first few months Israel used the PALESTINIAN pound as its official currency

      Take your Ziodrivel elsewhere pal, it's boring

    • If you examine the Israeli narrative on the issue of Arabs/Palestine, it never seems to add up.
      link to wp.me

      E.g., “20% of the Israeli population was Arab”

      By 1950 the population of Israel was estimated to be about 1,370,000

      There were approximately 156,000 non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were not dispossessed from within the borders of the territory proclaimed by the Israeli Government and recognized as the State of Israel on the 15th May 1948 effective at 00:01 (ME time) and;

      there were an additional 500,000 Arab Jewish refugees from the Arab states. Many of whom were cared for by UNRWA until 1952/3 when the Israeli Government took over that responsibility.
      That’s approximately 656,000 Arabs of a population of about 1,370,000. Which is about 47%

      This figure does not yet include the non-Jewish Israeli Arabs who were dispossessed by 1950 and it does not yet include the indigenous Arab Jews of Palestine.

      By simple maths we can see the Arab population of Israel in 1948 was well in excess of 50%. A large number of Israeli Jews today are of Arabic descent. Arab DNA is deeply and inescapably embedded in the Israeli population

      20% Arab? The closer you look the more bullsh*t you find

      If the truth be known, there are Jews and non-Jews the Zionist Movement's state and that state wants rid of the latter

  • 'We are all Jews' -- the Holocaust as imperial export
  • Park Slope Food Coop puts up firewall against boycott of Israeli goods
    • @ jon s "calling the murdered soldier"

      He was armed Israeli military personnel in territory never legally acquired by Israel. A valid target

      "posting an imagined scenario like the one you did shows a total lack of any simple human decency"

      Whatever you need to keep your bile dripping pal

      It's quite human to speculate what might have transpired in the men's room, especially given the level of antagonism, hatred, vile treatment and cruelty against the Palestinians as can be clearly seen in hundreds of videos, showing a total lack of any simple human decency by the IDF, supported and justified by people like you

    • In all my years of searching and asking, no one has yet been able to point to any document whereby territories acquired by war by Israel post 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) have been legally acquired by or legally assigned to or agreed by consensus of a majority, to be Israeli.

      The ICJ statements define Occupied Palestinian Territories based on the Palestinian declaration of statehood, wherein Palestine is willing to accept only 22% of its territory. Because the question they were asked to consider didn't include the extent of Israel's sovereignty, the ICJ statements do not actually define Israel's territories

      In respect to the "embassies" moved from Jerusalem:
      1) they were 13, a minority of nations
      2) of the 13, were they all before moving in fact embassies or were some only consulates to Israel or;
      3) of the 13, were they all embassies to Israel or were some embassies in what was expected to have been the Corpus Separatum?
      4) The majority of nations who recognized Israel have never had embassies to Israel outside the UNGA res 181 borders
      5) The British have an Israeli embassy in TelAviv. The British Consul-General in Jerusalem meanwhile is not accredited to any state

      Some countries including the US, now maintain a consulate in Jerusalem as part of the "Consular Corps of the Corpus Separatum". Corpus Separatum was of UNGA res 181, same as the US's recognition of Israel per Israel's plea for recognition. This would seem to indicate that the US has yet to recognize any further territories as Israeli

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      @ Sibiriak

      Re all the references to the Armistice Agreements of 1949. You are presuming that by default the territory is Israeli. But they do not actually define Israeli territory. The Armistice Agreements specifically state that the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed as a territorial border.

      The ONLY document defining Israeli territory is the Israeli Government plea for recognition

    • @ jon s "Talknic’s fantasy about the “IDF goon” is a vile attempt to dishonor and disrespect the murdered soldier. Shameful"

      The IDF goon is just another victim of the Zionist Federations colonization program.

      What is shameful is the use of Jewish youth in order to create illegal facts on the ground in non-Israeli territories and your support of it

      Go whine to the people who're the cause of the conflict, the vile Zionists perpetuating the Greater Israel pyramid scheme since 1897

    • @ jon s "The 1947 partition borders are relevant only in the Mondoweiss universe, not in the real world"

      Oh? In the real world there are no foreign embassies outside of the 1947 partition borders. As a bottom line, it's the only territory officially recognized as Israeli. The last line of defense

    • @ yonah fredman "you can not cite jerusalem which kind of belonged to the UN under the partition agreement to the parts of palestine that were captured in 48. to make this equation "

      The Israeli Government did !
      A) By it's proclamation in its plea for recognition link to trumanlibrary.org

      B) Israeli Government statement UNSC S/766 May 22nd 1948 link to pages.citebite.com

      C) Again Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      D) By it's refused August 1949 attempt to claim those territories it said on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel"

      "and say that since there is no embassy in Jerusalem therefore all the territory not included in the partition agreement is occupied territory is a leap that i do not think is justified by the law or the positions of the countries of the world"

      What other reason is there for NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD having an embassy outside of Israel's proclaimed and only recognized borders? Make something up ... go ahead.

      " when all the lawyers at the UN (of countries that recognize Israel) would tell us something different"

      Cite them

      "i accept the validity of trying to hold onto the partition agreement until such time as a negotiated settlement is reached. the PLO made the decision in 1988 not to go in that direction."

      Israel didn't. The only borders Israel has ever officially agreed to and been officially recognized by are those of UNGA 181

    • @ Sibiriak

      Closer reading necessary "[Hostage:] The principles of international law regarding annexation of territory did not apply to the civil war (a non-international armed conflict) between the communities of the Palestine mandate. "

      The Mandate terminated midnight 14th May 1948. At 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) Israel was no longer a community of the mandate. Nor was whatever remained of Palestine. It was no longer a civil war

      "[Hostage:] After the mandate was terminated, Israel declared its independence ..."

      ... within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, link to trumanlibrary.org @ 00:01 on the 15th May 1948 (ME time) no territory outside of the UNGA 181 defined boundaries belonged to Israel

      22nd May 1948 the Israeli Government itself claimed it had territories "outside the State of Israel" under Israeli military control link to pages.citebite.com

      Territories under Military Control are occupied Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III @ 22nd May 1948 no territory outside of the UNGA 181 defined boundaries belonged to Israel

      12th Aug 1948 Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation link to mfa.gov.il @ 12th Aug 1948 still no territory outside of the UNGA 181 defined boundaries belonged to Israel

      31st of August 1949 Israel tried to lay claim to those territories (as a UN Member state) link to wp.me @ 31st of August 1949 still no territory outside of the UNGA 181 defined boundaries belonged to Israel

      Israel's 31st August 1949 claims were rebuffed, citing the Armistice Agreements, specifically the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to “be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary”

      Summary: As late as 31st August 1949 the territories acquired by war as of 00:01 May 1948 (ME time) were quite simply not yet Israeli.
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      "Hostage: Sovereignty is just a synonym for jurisdiction. The two sides signed international armistice agreements that permit them to govern the respective territories until hell freezes over absent any mutually agreed upon modifications of the armistice borders"
      A) "govern" It did not assign those territories to them, in fact the Armistice agreements specifically stated the Armistice Demarcation Lines were not to be construed as territorial boundaries
      B) The Armistice Agreement between Jordan and Israel was superseded by the Israel Jordan Peace Treaty. At which point hell froze over and the issue became one between Palestine and Israel.

      3) “Annexation is nothing more than the de jure application of a State’s municipal laws to a new territory.” (Hostage)

      'de jure' being the operative word. Israel's 31st August 1949 claims were rebuffed (see above)

      The UN sponsored and internationally recognized 1949 Armistice Agreements gave Israel the legal right to extend its municipal laws to the territory acquired in 1947-9

      Israel's 31st August 1949 claims were rebuffed (see above)

    • Correction: link to mondoweiss.net

      It was later adopted into the 1949 Israel/Jordan Armistice Agreement because it was the only official document indicating the dividing ceasefire line agreed to by Israel and Jordan

    • @ Dan "You repeatedly tell us that the territory is illegally occupied and now you tell us it’s none of the worlds business. "

      Sloppy reading. This is what I answered to

      ” Name one nation that recognizes Israel that tells Israel that it needs to withdraw from territory of the June 4, 1967 armistice line/ border.”

      Why would they? It’s none of their business. It’s between Palestine and Israel.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      Where borders are finally agreed upon is between Israel and Palestine. No one else.

      I'll go even further. The Green line was the November 30, 1948 ceasefire line between Israel and Jordan only, signed by Moshe Dayan (Israel) & Abdullah el-Tel (Jordan). It was later adopted into the 1949 Israel/Jordan Armistice Agreement because it was the only official document indicating the dividing line agreed to by Israel and Jordan

      Jordan has since handed sovereignty over the West Bank back to the Palestinians. The Israel/Jordanian Armistice Agreement was superseded by the Israel/Jordan Peace Treaty

      There has never been an Armistice Agreement between Israel and Palestine.

      "An illegal occupation is none of the worlds business? Is that your position?"

      The UNSC tells us Israel's attempts to change the status of territories occupied in the recent conflict ('67) are illegal and that settlement by Israelis in those occupied territories are illegal and reaffirms the overriding necessity to "end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem" link to wp.me

    • @ Sibiriak "Of course it’s their business. The I/P conflict threatens international peace and security and involves fundamental violations of human rights. The UNSC and UNGA have been deeply involved in the conflict from day one and that makes it the business of all UN member states"

      It's their business in regards to International peace that a UN Member state or states might be in breach of the law outside of their recognized territories

      "*There are numerous UN and ICJ statements affirming that it is the pre-1967 border (aka “Green Line”) which divides Israeli territory from occupied Palestinian territory"

      Best read very very carefully. There are statements relative to occupied Palestinian territories per the Palestinian declaration of statehood. There are no statements actually affirming that it is the pre-1967 border (aka “Green Line”) which defines Israeli territories. While Israel refuses to redefine its borders it is simply impossible. Until such time as it does, its borders are those proclaimed and recognized, despite their having illegally acquired by war non Israeli territories before they became a UN Member state. That's why there are no foreign embassies outside of Israel's UNGA res 181 borders

      "*There are ZERO UN or ICJ statements affirming that it is the UN res 181 recommended “partition border” which divides Israeli territory from occupied Palestinian territory."

      Correct. The UN cannot directly censure ("demand" of) a non-member state or retrospectively demand of a Member state for its actions prior to becoming a UN Member. The UN can only "call on" (request) those parties in breach to adhere to their legal responsibilities to International Law and inform UN Members how they may treat those non-members

      "*There are numerous UN resolutions and ICJ statements which apply the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war to the territory Israel acquired in 1967."

      Israel was a UN Member by 1967. The the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war to the territory stood before Israel became a UN Member, however as above, the UN cannot directly censure ("demand" of) non-members

      "*There are ZERO UN resolutions or ICJ statements which apply the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war to the territory Israel acquired in 1947-49"

      Israel wasn't a UN Member. The illegality of acquiring territory by war was never the less in force.

      "The international legal and political consensus is clear: it is the “Green Line” (pre-1967 border) not the UN res 181 recommended partition border which divides Israeli territory from occupied Palestinian territory"

      There are no foreign embassies in Israel outside of the UNGA 181 borders

    • @ yonah fredman " Name one nation that recognizes Israel that tells Israel that it needs to withdraw from territory of the June 4, 1967 armistice line/ border."

      Why would they? It's none of their business. It's between Palestine and Israel.

      While Palestine is willing to cede 78% of its rightful territory to Israel for peace, Israel refuses to recognize any peaceful resolution and has not accepted any borders.

      Israel has not acquired any further territories by any legal agreement or instrument, so until such time as there is an agreement, Israel's borders remain those it proclaimed and was recognized by. That's why there are no foreign embassies in Jerusalem.

    • @ JayB "It seems I was right, this blog is run by cowards and whom are incapable of debating the issues on its own merits"

      Strange. There's plenty of debating the issues on its own merits.

    • @ MHughes976 "Is it so completely clear, talknic, that military personnel are always valid targets? "

      Not only military personnel. Military supply lines, support services, infrastructure, command, equipment

      "If we call on soldiers not to use violence against members of the civil population who are not openly resisting them then it is hard to see how we can give members of that civil population the right to ambush soldiers, ie suddenly change from being unresisting civilians to bring combatants or resistants. "

      It's absolutely impossible to cover every condition that might arise. When soldiers are part of an occupying force, all the occupied are the enemy so soldiers have to be on their guard against anything that might happen. Under attack they have a right to protect themselves BTW

      jon s tells us that Mohind al-Okbi " followed a soldier, 19 year-old Omri Levy, into the men’s room"

      Maybe he simply went to the men's room because he needed to go to the men's room, where the IDF goon, with a gun and an over inflated sense of power, purposefully tried to enrage Mohind, refused to let him use the facility, poked him with his gun, pissed on him. Who knows? Nothing would surprise me

    • @ jon s "For those of us who oppose the settlements "

      You're an illegal settler in territory never legally acquired by Israel by any agreement

      "The message should be: “you did the right thing, thanks, the boycott is over…"

      Why? As previously outlined SodaStream CONTINUES its vile practices link to mondoweiss.net

    • @ jon s "That could be true in a combat situation, not in this case."

      So why was the soldier carrying arms? “He followed a soldier, 19 year-old Omri Levy, into the men’s room, mudered him there, took his weapon,”

      "Certainly if an American serviceman on leave, passing through Penn Station ..."

      Got a brain? Try using it! Penn Station is in America. Beersheva has never been annexed or acquired by Israel by any legal instrument.

      " And let’s not forget that the terrorist he also opened fire, spraying indiscriminately, causing several injuries to both civilians and military personnel

      Collateral is allowed on all sides of a conflict

    • @ Jon66 "Resistance members in order to be considered combatants must be led by an individual responsible for subordinates actions, be subject to an internal disciplinary system for violations of the law, and distinguish themselves from civilians while engaged or preparing for an attack"

      Wrong. You're describing who qualifies as a belligerent

      Annex to the Convention
      REGULATIONS RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS
      OF WAR ON LAND
      SECTION I
      ON BELLIGERENTS
      CHAPTER I
      The Qualifications of Belligerents
      Article 1.

      The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:

      To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

      To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

      To carry arms openly; and

      To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

      In countries where militia or volunteer corps constitute the army, or form part of it, they are included under the denomination "army."
      Art. 2.

      The inhabitants of a territory which has not been occupied, who, on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading troops without having had time to organize themselves in accordance with Article 1, shall be regarded as belligerents if they carry arms openly and if they respect the laws and customs of war.
      Art. 3.

      The armed forces of the belligerent parties may consist of combatants and non-combatants. In the case of capture by the enemy, both have a right to be treated as prisoners of war.
      link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      Say ...... do Israel undercover ops carry their arms openly and fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance?

      "These rules were developed to protect the civilian population"

      Now you want to talk about rules? So was GC IV developed to protect the civilian population, including those of the Occupying Power, ignored by Israel for 67 years, endangering its own civilians by purposefully supporting and encouraging them to settle in non-Israeli territories held under military occupation in order to create its putrid illegal facts on the ground

    • @ jon s February 2, 2016, 4:37 am

      "On Oct.18, 2015 a terrorist attack took place at the Beersheva Central Bus Station.
      The perpetrator has been identified as Mohind al-Okbi (21), from Hura. He followed a soldier, 19 year-old Omri Levy, into the men’s room, mudered him there ..."

      Military are a valid target. It isn't terrorism or murder

    • @ JayB "The nakba and even the holocaust are equally debatable"

      Only in as much as Israel is breach of laws and a UN Charter adopted largely because of the ghastly treatment of our Jewish fellows under the stinking %^&$#@ Nazis

      "... Jews will try to justify the Israelis position and their desires for true peace "

      You'll not find many Jews here who justify Hasbara crappolla. If Israel wanted peace it would have withdrawn from ALL non-Israeli territories and got peace as it did with Egypt. It's called withdrawal for peace link to wp.me

      "call it occupation, whatever..."

      That's what the highest courts in their opinions have called it and the UNSC have called it link to wp.me "Israel, the Occupying Power"

      "... defense to survive, is what it really is.."

      Nonsense. No Israeli territory has ever been invaded . Israel has for 67 years been maintaining an occupation and purposefully encouraged its civilians to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories in order to create illegal facts on the ground, thereby making it more and more difficult to withdraw and thereby reach a peaceful settlement as it did with Egypt.

      "... the Palestinians would allow the Jews to live in their home land of Israel in peace"

      The Palestinians have agreed in front of the world at the UN to cede 78% of their rightful territories for peace with Israel

      Israel's response was to build more illegal settlements

      " (of which can all be proven at the negotiating table.)"

      What's to be proven or negotiated? The Palestinians ask only for their LEGAL rights and are under no legal obligation to forgo ANY of their legal rights to anyone.

      Israel is in breach of the law. Israel has no legal right to claim any non-Israeli territory. It has no legal right to illegally settle its citizens in non-Israeli territory. It has no legal right to demand non-Israeli territory for defense (then illegally settle it with civilians). It has no legal right to demand negotiations or to demand the Palestinians forgo any of their legal rights in negotiations. It has no legal right to demand to be recognized

      " If this is your position, than you must lift all restrictions to posting in order to obtain the truth "

      Nonsense. Facts reveal the truth. Fact is Israel is in breach of International Law by acting outside of its borders

      "and reach true peace between our fellow"

      Most states who adhere to the law are at peace with their neighbours

      "If your position is to destroy the Jews or push us into the sea, than there is no use in debating the Israeli and Palestinian issues with those who do not wish peace"

      If Israel actually wanted peace, it would have withdrawn from all non-Israeli territories in 1949/50 and never have started all its other wars

      The rest of your post is typical Ziodrivel

    • @ JayB

      "the 3,288 year Jewish State of Israel"

      The Jewish State of Israel simply DIDN'T exist for the vast majority of your alleged 3,288 years.

    • @ Jonah fredman

      "Name one country that recognizes Israel but considers past the partition line to be occupied territory."

      The State of Israel was recognized how the Israeli Government asked for the State of Israel to be recognized, as " an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 , and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, " link to wp.me

      Try producing official recognition by any state of territories beyond partition as Israeli
      ... go ahead ... I'll wait

      Meanwhile on May 22nd 1948 Israel itself admitted to occupying territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Again Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      " Call all of Israel occupied and join all those who do not recognize Israel"

      Israel is recognized by the majority (161) of Nations as it asked to be recognized " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 ," . The remainder (32) do not recognize Israel for a variety of valid legal reasons. The majority prevailed.

      "Call past 67 Israel occupied and join all the nations who recognize Israel"

      The nations who recognize Israel have only ever recognized it as it asked to be recognized, " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 ,"
      Israel was not a UN Member when it breached its recognized borders, there are no UNSC resolutions mentioning Israel al all until it applied and after being accepted for UN Membership based on its recognition as " an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947 ,"

    • @ hophmi

      Calling for Israel to adhere to International Law is bigotry and obsessive hatred? How AMAZING!!!

      Say, is there something that precludes Israel from living up to its legal obligations?

    • As the company moves from the West Bank to the outskirts of the Rahat township in the Naqab ... ... campaigners will be organizing against SodaStream’s active role in the displacement of Palestinian Bedouin communities in “unrecognized” villages. Such communities, which are ignored by the Israeli government, are facing ongoing loss of traditional agriculture and violations of the right to natural resources, including water.

      “They are denied the most basic services, anything from schools to roads to clinics — and also water,” Westbrook explained. “So the water that’s in the slogan for SodaStream — ‘Water Made Exciting’ — is something that must sound incredibly cruel to these communities that are living without any running water.” link to electronicintifada.net

      Seems there's nothing vile enough

  • 'I cannot support Israel as long as Netanyahu is in office'-- many American Jews are saying
    • @ Les "If God could give the Pilgrims the land of the American Indians, justifying their extermination, why couldn’t God have the same deal with Jews to take Palestinian land and extermiate those who resist?"

      The pilgrims no longer exist, they are no longer colonizing, all the legal inhabitants of the USA have a right to vote. Israel is still colonizing non-Israeli territories, most of the legal inhabitants of the territories Israel has illegally acquired by war do not have the right to vote in Israel

    • @ Krauss "It’s becoming increasingly clear that Jewish apartheid has much wider support than white Apartheid ever managed to have, and that Jewish support for Apartheid is almost unbreakable in comparison. Phil may not like that, but that’s the reality"

      Most Jews don't even know it is apartheid. Nor, thanks to a controlled MSM, do many non-Jews

  • Jewish West Bank settlers are as smug as white South Africans in 1980
    • @ Yehudi Ben Israel "We will never leave the West Bank, our ancestral land promised to us by God and which the Arabs lost through military combat they initiated"

      Stale Hasbara ... cute ... As attractive as the bile in a power drunken Rabbi's whiskers link to imemc.org

      A) International Law doesn't recognize promises made by any God
      B) The Zionist Federation initiated the Colonization of Palestine in 1897 link to jewishencyclopedia.com
      C) Israel's borders were proclaimed by the Israeli Government and Israel was recognized as it asked to be recognized link to trumanlibrary.org
      D) The acquisition of territory by war has been illegal since at least 1933 link to cfr.org

      "The Arabs will just end up leaving once they realize they’ve lost, don’t you worry"

      We know what vile idiotic Zionist thieves wish for, however 119 years on there's non-Jews still there

      "The world doesn’t really care about Palestinians"

      Is that why the majority of the world's countries recognize Palestine as a state?

    • @ yonah fredman "Recently, you’ll excuse me if I don’t specify with a link, "

      Of course. We understand it's quite necessary not to. If you did you'd show you're either incapable of seeing the obvious, purposefully remaining ignorant, unable to read, simply don't read replies, all the above or something usually called, really really stupid

      "there was a suggestion here on mw, that South Africa gave up apartheid because of rugby and cricket. Just from my knowledge of human nature, I doubt it, "

      Here again for your poor tired Zioaddled brain

      Football is followed by billions of people, each one with the power not to buy Sth African goods, each one with the power not to invest in or deal with Sth African companies, each one with the power not to invest in or deal with companies who in turn deal with Sth African companies and each one with the power not to vote for or support political parties or politicians who might side with such a vile regime and no law can stop them!

      IOW a sports boycott can shine a spotlight, no, a BIG spotlight , no, a VERY BIG spotlight , no a, GIGANTIC spotlight no, BILLIONS of spotlights on the apartheid policies of the State of Israel in every country in the world and empower billions of people to act and no law can stop them! link to mondoweiss.net

      "but if that is the case"

      It certainly was the case, no 'if'

      " then there is nothing that can be learned from the South African experience to help us undo the current Palestine versus Israel conflict, because nothing less than real pressure"

      Billions of sports fans = real pressure. WTF do you think Israel is so desperate to remain in the various sports arenas?

      People who continue to try and justify the unjustifiable only make fools of themselves. That you and your pals keep trying only shows us you're propagandists and propagandists are by necessity dishonest

  • The Israeli government is as responsible for Duma murders as those who threw the firebomb
    • @ DaBakr " israelis are not cheering any palestinian deaths"

      Oh you poor Zioignoramus. Did you catch it or pick it up in training?

      "but its certain what left-wing oddballs on mw think"

      Then you should have no problem quoting them, verbatim

      " all jews in territory perceived or ‘considered’ to be palestinian is fair game"

      Israelis illegally in non-Israeli territory ARE fair game. Go whine to the moronic thieving creeps who encourage them to break GC IV in order to create illegal facts on the ground, you're wasting your own time here looking foolish

    • @ DaBakr " we buried three young women/mothers -stabbed to death -recently"

      So go kvetch to the people responsible. The Zionist Federation who started the Greater Israel pyramid scheme to colonize Palestine in 1897, the Jewish Agency who lied to have Israel admitted to the UN and successive Israeli Governments who have purposefully encouraged Israelis to break a convention (GC IV) adopted to protect all civilians including those of the Occupying Power from the violent consequences one can expect when you occupy another people, dispossess them, illegally acquire their territory

  • Netanyahu responds to Ban Ki-moon's criticism of the Israeli occupation (Update)
  • Did Obama blunder in Haiti because he has to pay so much attention to Israel?
  • Cut the Gordian Knot -- a response to Ban Ki-moon's landmark speech
    • @ Jon66 "There are 16 memorials to the Great Irish Famine in the US and imagine how many more there would be if it had occurred in 1945"

      It didn't. Your call to imagine is pointless

      "I see them as the response of people who feel that although they couldn’t save the victims ..."

      Non-Jewish Americans built them?

    • @ MaxNarr "The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary. "

      Exactly what vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials ?

      "Do you even hear what you are saying?"

      Perhaps you'll quote what was actually said

    • @ Jon66 " I have seen a large number of memorials listed but can’t find 130 museums"

      Correct. A large number of the completely disproportionate number of Jewish Holocaust memorials in the US are not museums.
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      "What is it about a Holocaust museum that disgusts you?"

      A) False accusations are against the most basic of Judaism's tenets. B) Please point out the evidence for your accusation. C) If you can't, please retract what would be then shown to be an unsubstantiated accusation or show yourself to be just another liar for the vile, illegal inhumane, Zionist Federation Greater Israel pyramid scheme

    • @ Mayhem "The world is starting to talk about the folly of the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided up the Ottoman empire and eventually saw the establishment of Palestine as a British mandate at San Remo in 1920"

      A) That'd be the agreement the Zionist Federation accepted
      B) The LoN Mandate for Palestine was only administered by the British

      " If Syria and Iraq’s borders need to be completely renegotiated (as many are now suggesting), it is perhaps opportune to revisit the original mandate and restore what was originally mooted to be offered to the Jews"

      Oh? OK! That'd be Palestinian citizenship! Read Article 7 Lon Mandate for Palestine link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      If you're not an idiot or a paid propagandist, why do you continue to post complete bullsh*t?

    • @ MaxNarr "Mayhem is completely right"

      Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine tells us Mayhem is full of Ziopoop

      " Remember, under international law, the entire of Palestine is Jewish land"

      Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine and numerous UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of binding International Law and the UN Charter tell us you're also full of Ziopoop!

      "read up on UN charter article 80"

      Article 80 tells us you're spouting nonsense

      "Jordan=Palestine"

      The folk who lived in the area that became the state of Jordan had an automatic right to permanent Jordanian citizenship. People who lived outside that area did not

      "In the meantime the right solution will be for the Jewish people to continue to massively settle all parts of Palestine, North, South, East and West as you have seen"

      Then they should seek Palestinian citizenship or go live in the countries in which they hold citizenship. According to the Israeli Government, Israel is the Jewish State link to trumanlibrary.org

      " I expect the pace to increase rapidly over the next few years and the establishment of a “Palestinian” state will be impossible for all intents and purposes"

      Yes that has been the intention of the vile Zionist pyramid scheme that has for more than a hundred years plagued the region and Judaism

      " Only then can we talk about a true and lasting peace, based on justice for all"

      Justice for all by stealing other folks territories ... AMAZING

      That you keep lying after having been shown incontrovertible evidence refuting your moronic Hasbara time and time again tells us you're either a complete idiot or a paid propagandist

    • @ Mayhem
      "Ban Ki-Moon actually admits that the UN is biased against Israel"

      Quote him ... I'll wait

      In fact the UN has never once resolved that there be any actions against Israel despite the hundreds of UNSC resolution reminding Israel of the breaches of binding Law and the UN Charter reaffirmed and emphasized in those resolution. No state has ever been treated so leniently

      "Furthermore his remark that its human nature to react to occupation fails to appreciate that it is not human nature to stab people willy-nilly to death"

      It is actually human nature and very highly likely that some people might break after having spent their entire lifetimes in a state of dispossession and occupation

      "It is not a human reaction to kill indiscriminately"

      The IDF does it regularly

      "The Jews under the yoke of the Nazi regime didn’t wander in the streets seeking out innocent civilians to slaughter"

      So why do they now against non-Jews in Israel and in Israeli Occupied Palestine?

      "What we are hearing is the constant bleating of excuses for the ‘poor’ Palestinians (a manifestation of the under-dog principle that ignores all the facts in deference to an obsessive political judeophobic agenda)"

      Your statement conveniently ignores 67years of dispossessing non-Jews, territorial theft by Zionist scum

      "The Palestinian people need to stop making excuses"

      They didn't ask to be colonized, dispossessed you stupid person

  • Park Slope Food Coop holds vote aimed at staunching boycott of Sodastream
    • @ MaxNarr "What’s a ziosupreme?"

      It comes with lashings of the Ziotoxins favoured by Ziocreeps, washed down with bile and an endless array nonsensical excuses specifically formulated for serial abusers, morons and the extremely gullible

      "Is that like a new catchphrase?"

      No. It dates back to 1897 and the Zionist Federation's pyramid scheme of a Greater Israel

      "how do you pronounce it?"

      It becomes more pronounced when it's promoted it with lies, complete bullsh*t, deception and a lot of money from war mongers and really stupid people

  • Updated: Former French Justice Minister should face questions in NY about law barring BDS speech
  • Among the settlers
    • @ diasp0ra

      " Do you yearn for the days of colonialism so much?"

      No they yearn for valid excuses. There are none of course, but that doesn't stop their Ziopoop

    • @ Yehudi Ben Israel "You think you can get a continent to yourselves by ethnically cleansing and killing its people and herding them into “reservations” "

      Israel is STILL GOING IT!

      "and yet other people can’t do the same treating the natives in far more humane way and for a far smaller piece of land?"

      How many wrongs make a right in Ziopuke?

  • The world the settlers made
    • @ Jon66 "my preferred choice would be an end to the occupation through a negotiated settlement."

      What needs be negotiated? The Palestinians only ask for their LEGAL rights (and ironically the legal right of non-Jewish Israeli citizens to right of return to Israel as its territory was proclaimed) in accordance with International Law and the UN Charter that Israel ALREADY agreed to uphold.

      Israel's claims have no legal basis what so ever

      " Israel and Egypt agreed on withdrawal from the occupied Sinai but only after a peace agreement."

      Wrong. Read the actual agreement

      link to wp.me

      Withdrawal by Israel from Egyptian territories was to begin BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed
      No borders were negotiated. Egypt’s borders were set when it became an independent state, BEFORE Israel was declared. Only the how of withdrawal was negotiated
      From the Peace Treaty:

      Article II Determination of Final Lines and Zones
      1. In order to provide maximum security for both Parties after the final withdrawal, the lines and the Zones delineated on Map 1 are to be established and organized as follows:
      until Israeli armed forces complete withdrawal from the current J and M Lines established by the Egyptian-Israeli Agreement of September 1975, hereinafter referred to as the 1975 Agreement, up to the interim withdrawal line, all military arrangements existing under that Agreement will remain in effect, except those military arrangements otherwise provided for in this Appendix.
      Within a period of seven days after Israeli armed forces have evacuated any area located in Zone A…..
      Within a period of seven days after Israeli armed forces have evacuated any area located in Zones A or B…
      The Parties agree to remove all discriminatory barriers to normal economic relations and to terminate economic boycotts of each other upon completion of the interim withdrawal.
      As soon as possible, and not later than six months after the completion of the interim withdrawal, the Parties will enter negotiations with a view to concluding an agreement on trade and commerce for the purpose of promoting beneficial economic relations.
      1. The Parties agree to establish normal cultural relations following completion of the interim withdrawal.
      2. They agree on the desirability of cultural exchanges in all fields, and shall, as soon as possible and not later than six months after completion of the interim withdrawal, enter into negotiations with a view to concluding a cultural agreement for this purpose.
      Upon completion of the interim withdrawal, each Party will permit the free movement of the nationals and vehicles of the other into and within its territory ….etc etc

      Again, from the Israeli Government:

      March 26, 1979
      The President,
      The White House

      Dear Mr. President,
      I am pleased to be able to confirm that the Government of Israel is agreeable to the procedure set out in your letter of March 26, 1979, in which you state:
      “I have received a letter from President Sadat that, within one month after Israel completes its withdrawal to the interim line in Sinai, as provided for in the Treaty of peace between Egypt and Israel, Egypt will send a resident ambassador to Israel and will receive in Egypt a resident Israeli ambassador.”
      Sincerely,
      Menachem Begin

      "I do think that Israel and Israelis have made significant contributions to science and technology amongst other fields"

      Irrelevant to the legal status of the State of Israel and its illegal activities outside of its ONLY proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders

    • @ Annie Robbins "he was evading answering this question"

      Thx. Usually it's a sign of Ziotactics 101. Attempting waste your time and resources by showing or pretending to be completely inept

      I though maybe he wasn't very adept at reading or maybe comprehension or maybe both.
      But then he claims to be a surgeon. Surely reading skills are involved. Like identifying a patient by name. Instructions on harvesting kidneys, cornea etc

    • @ Jon66 "Are we talking about Israel in general or the occupation in particular as not having one good thing?"

      link to mondoweiss.net

    • @ Jon66 " I want to preserve the good and fix the bad"

      Name one good thing about occupying another people ALL THEIR LIVES while illegally acquiring their territory by war ... thx ... I'll wait

      " Mend it, don’t end it"

      How do you suggest mending 67years of illegal dispossession, occupation and territorial theft without ending the occupation?

    • @ Jon66
      "If Palestinians in 50 years are all alive, but Without any customs, traditions, or traditional religion would that be OK? I wouldn’t be alright with that anymore than I would be with the disappearance of Judiasm"

      Strange, you support as state that is doing its utmost to bring about a situation you claim you wouldn't be alright with!

    • @ MaxNarr "Jewish settlers who are doing the right thing and will continue massively settling the entire of Palestine"

      Only a moron would call territorial theft, dispossession and illegally settling in non-Israeli territory 'doing the right thing'

      The picture you paint is very clear, keep up the good work

    • @ MaxNarr

      "I hope with this expose the readers of this website can see that settlers are essentially good people, with good intentions, and rational thinkers"

      Only a complete moron purposefully endangers their families by illegally settling in Occupied Territories

      If they were essentially good people, with good intentions, and rational thinkers, they'd f#ck off back to Israel.

  • Michael Bloomberg has been a fervent supporter of Israel, to a point
    • Bloomberg

      ... flew to Israel a year and a half ago to declare that it was within its rights to bomb Gaza to smithereens

      Correct DaBakr, it was strictly Bloomberg's judgement and not based on any determination by a court.

  • 'This is a totally political arrest, they will not thwart human rights!' Guy Butavia tells the courthouse
  • Adelson newspaper suggests Swedish foreign minister deserves assassination for questioning Israeli policy
    • @ MaxNarr "her perfidious behavior..."

      Uh? There is nothing perfidious in her behavior. It's been Israel lying for 68yrs, the Zionist Federation & the Jewish Agency lying for over 100yrs.

      "... is very similar to the count"

      Uh?

      " her hostile behavior "

      Uh?

      "and incendiary commends "

      Uh?

      " are reserved only for fringe extremists "

      Uh?

      " she is sowing further murder of Jewish settlers by her words"

      I advise you to try to get off the Hasbara Max, it rots brain & soul

  • Palestinians in Hebron demand Israel return bodies of family members killed by the IDF
    • @ Mayhem "It’s all very simple. Stop the incitement to violence..."

      That'd be Israel illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory, illegal Israeli settlers etc. Right?

  • Israel destroys homes for Bedouins, builds homes for Jews
  • Israel arrests human rights campaigner Ezra Nawi and puts gag order on case as part of growing 'witch hunt' against activists
    • @ Jon66

      "It seems inconsistent to me that when Israelis base discrimination on religion that is ‘racist’, but when Paelstinians base discrimination on religion that is ‘practical’"

      Israel's discrimination is against non-Jews, it is therefore religious.

      Palestinians are preventing the citizens of an invading enemy state from usurping Palestinian land and ultimately dispossession of non-Jewish people from Palestine.

      It has nothing to do with religion. Were Catholics colonizing Palestine do you really think the Palestinians would submit?

      Keep acting stupid tho. It continues provide clear examples of the kind of serial liars, abusers and purposefully ignorant types who're attracted to the rotting corpse of Zionist colonization

    • @ Jon66 I agree that Jews are not a race"

      Uh huh. This yours "Don’t you think this is racist as well?" ?

      "But I think that’s OT for this discussion"

      Uh huh. So why did you say "Don’t you think this is racist as well?" ?

      Thanks again for showing readers how Zionists will say anything, absolutely anything, no matter how nonsensical, untrue or contradictory

      Keep up the good work

    • @ Annie Robbins " don’t play daft jon"

      Jon66 'd be out of the picture

    • @ Jon66 //“selling land to the Jews is usually seen as the worst crime a Palestinian can commit.....” –//

      "Don’t you think this is racist as well?"

      Uh? We're not a race. Amongst others there are Chinese Jews, Australian Aboriginal Jews, even a few Inuit Jews.

      BTW can you name any instances when Australia or the US or UK sold real estate to Germans or Japanese during WW2? It's quite normal NOT to when people are at war, especially when one party is in belligerent occupation the other in contravention of International Law

  • 'NYT's next Jerusalem chief routinely offers Israel as a model for American conduct
  • What's the big difference between Israel's 1967 occupation and its 1948 occupation?
    • @ Sibiriak Further to direct condemnation and censure against non-member states

      "Those examples demonstrate that the UN does in fact have the power to condemn non-member states"

      They're not direct condemnations and censures against states

      UNSC 660 Condemns and demands directly of a UN Member State, being "Iraq"

      1. Condemns the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait;

      2. Demands that Iraq withdraw immediately ... etc ...;

      3. Calls upon Iraq ... etc ...

      ---------------
      inbound39 nails the matter of 67 borders/Israeli territories succinctly

      67 Borders are acknowledged by the 193 members because that is what the Palestinians asked for. Israel rejected and still rejects 67 Borders. All Nations only ever accepted Israel on its Partition Plan Borders because that is what the Provisional Israeli Government declared in 48. It has never legally annexed any other land. So, therefore ,Israels only legitimate Borders are those of 1948 WHICH IT DECLARED,until by legal process, the State of Palestine is legally rendered legitimate and Israel withdraws its troops and illegal settlers from Occupied territory outside of its declared Borders
      link to mondoweiss.net

    • @ Sibiriak "The Court affirmed that legally the Green Line (pre-1967 border) divides Israeli territory from occupied Palestinian territory "

      I cannot find any such statement link to icj-cij.org

      What there is is an affirmation of "the necessity of ending the conflict on the basis of the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security based on the Armistice Line of 1949, in accordance with relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions,"

      "the necessity of ending" It has not yet happened. Israel has not yet agreed to ANY borders beyond those it proclaimed May 15th 1948

    • @ Sibiriak " I listed multiple UN resolutions that directly condemn the actions of non-members"

      They call for reinforcement measures by UN Member States in order to encourage the errant state to comply. For instance Southern Rhodesia : Called upon all states to refuse the “illegal racist minority régime” in Southern Rhodesia recognition and to refrain from rendering any assistance to it .

      Whereas UNSC res 660 against a UN Member State

      "1. Condemns the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait;" and ;
      "2. Demands that Iraq withdraw immediately and unconditionally all its forces to the positions in which they were located on 1 August 1990; " and ;
      "3. Calls upon Iraq and Kuwait to begin immediately intensive negotiations for the resolution of their differences and supports all efforts in this regard, and especially those of the League of Arab States;"

      " Surely you can see the “the” in my statement and realize I was referring to one specific resolution that I quoted. "

      In retrospect, yes. My bad

    • @ Sibiriak

      "I. First of all, whether or not the UN is prohibited from censuring non-members is a red herring. According to the international legal and political consensus, the “Green Line” is the dividing line between “Israeli Territory” and “Occupied Palestinian Territory”. That has been affirmed in numerous UN resolutions and in the ICJ Wall case."

      The ICJ was not asked to rule on any issues pre- Israeli Membership. The ICJ opinion concerns only "territory that came under lsraeli military government control in 1967" and it only affirms the necessity of " ... ending the conflict on the basis of the two- State solution of Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security based on the Armistice Line of 1949, in accordance with relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions, ".

      It affirms the necessity because there has not yet been an agreement on the matter per the agreements re the Armistice Demarcation lines

      "2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary , and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question." link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      "There isn’t a single UN resolution or ICJ opinion that affirms that the dividing line between Israeli territory and “Occupied Palestinian Territory” is something other than the Green Line"

      There is not a single UN resolution or ICJ opinion that actually assigns any territory acquired by war by Israel since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) to Israel for the simple reason that there is yet to be a final agreement on the Question of Palestine

      "Therefore a prohibition on censure, even if it did exist, does not at all address the issue of the multiple UN/ICJ affirmations which posit the Green Line, not UN res 181 partition borders, as the provisional border between Israel and Palestine"

      "provisional" being the operative word

      "For example, the UN resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 6 May 2004, 58/292: "

      By which time Israel is a UN Member and by which time Palestine had signaled its willingness to accept only some 22% of their rightful territories for peace. Israel has yet to agree. Nothing has been finally determined

      "The UN resolution does not “censure”; it “affirms” and “expresses”

      link to google.com.au

      "There is nothing that prevented the UN from affirming that ” Palestinian territory occupied outside the partition borders defined by UN res181 remains one of military occupation.” The UN could have done that, but they chose not to."

      Like a football club censuring a non members, it'd be meaningless.

      However, Israel itself stated the territories it had acquired by war by May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" and " under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard"

      Ditto - the Provisional Israeli Government proclaimed Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948

      Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907 Art. 42 SECTION III "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

      "Furthermore, there was nothing that prevented the UN from applying the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force to the territory between partition lines and the Green Line. The UN could have done that, but they chose not to."

      Israel isn't mentioned in any UNSC resolution until its membership application/s

      "There is nothing that prevented the ICJ from expressing the opinion that the wall was illegal because it was “in departure of the partition borders established by UN res 181. The ICJ could have done that, but they choose not to."

      They weren't asked

      " there is no prohibition on the censure or condemnation of non-members. I quickly found a few examples. "

      None of which directly order anything of the offending state. They tell Member states what they may/might do to encourage that state to comply

      "But if the UNSC can authorize enforcement measures to be taken against non-members, including economic sanctions and military action, then surely any such measures would be preceded by resolutions condemning the non-member for violations that justify those enforcement measures"

      Condemn and inform Members what they may/might do, but no direct censure to the offending state.

      "It is completely nonsensical to argue that UNSC has the authority to unleash war on a non-member yet is prohibited from censuring that non-member"

      UN Charter: The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.

    • @ Dan .. Oooops I missed Sibiriak's post ...

      //“Anyone versed in the machinations of the UN knows the UN cannot censure non-members and cannot censure members retrospectively”//

      "Do you have any evidence to support that?"

      Perhaps some learned contributor can show us an instance where they have censured non-Members or Members for their pre-Membership acions. Meanwhile there appears to be a complete lack of resolutions directly condemning the actions of non-Members for breaches of International Law and a complete lack of resolutions directly condemning Members for their actions prior to becoming Members

      " ... Sibiriak demonstrated that you are wrong"

      What Sibiriak did shown is that the UN can tell Member States how they may or may not treat non-members. link to mondoweiss.net

      ... the author outlines quite a number of actions the UN General Assembly and Security Council can take in relation to non-members"

      UNGA and UNSC are comprised of Members

      ... the provisions of Articles 39, 41 and 42 are formulated in such a way as to be interpreted in the sense that any country, member or non-Member, may be the object of enforcement measures"

      Indeed, enforcement measures by UN Members.

    • @ hophmi "Jews waged this war?"

      It is the Jewish State, governed by a Jewish majority

      " I guess Jews and Israelis are the same here"

      By majority, in effect, yes.

      "Jeez, BDS really does have an antisemitism problem"

      Please explain how it's antisemitism to demand a state to adhere to the law

    • The big difference is: that there's no mention of occupation in UNSC resolutions prior to Israel's admittance to the UN, even tho the Israeli Government clearly stated at the time that occupation had taken place. link to wp.me

      In effect the rejection of Israel's first attempt to join the UN allowed Israel to illegally acquire even more territories by war without being directly censured

      Israel's legal advisers were not stupid. Anyone versed in the machinations of the UN knows the UN cannot censure non-members and cannot censure members retrospectively for their pre-membership actions, even tho those actions might be illegal under International Law. The only time "Israel" appears in a UNSC resolution prior to membership, was in respect to its membership application

      They would also have been aware that once accepted as a Member State, only one veto vote needs to be secured in the UNSC in order to be protected against any UN action being taken under Chapt VII for violations mentioned in Chapt VI resolutions

      Although the Armistice Demarcation Lines (Green Line) are borders of a kind (more: link to mondoweiss.net )
      A) none of the Armistice Agreements were between Israel and Palestine and;
      B) none of the territories stated on May 22nd 1948 by Israel to be "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine", have ever been legally annexed by agreement with their legitimate citizens, sans Israelis, to the State of Israel

      Israel's 11th August 1949 attempt to legally acquire territories it had by then illegally acquired by war, was rebuffed by the Conciliation Commission, citing the Armistice Agreements link to wp.me

      MAP: link to commons.wikimedia.org

  • Groundbreaking Human Rights Watch report shows how settlement businesses contribute to Israeli occupation
    • @ MaxNarr "This is ridiculous"

      Indeed. Why did you say it

      ".Israel will defeat BDS just like we defeated the rocket threat"

      No more home made and largely ineffective rockets fired into Israel? AMAZING! link to google.com.au Best you tell Israeli officials

      " Don’t underestimate the strength and perseverance of the Jewish people! "

      Indeed Max. We survived without Israel and we survived without illegally acquiring other folks territories for centuries. Jewish people of good conscience will eventually defeat the vile Zionist regime in Jerusalem, only then will Israel have peace

      "We have returned home and we will cling to our land."

      Wonderful Max. Now how about Israel f&ck off out of all non-Israeli territories for once

    • @ Jackdaw does Ziodrivel 101

      "Zionism survived earthquakes, deadly vipers and scorpions, malaria"

      Interesting theory. Please explain

      "attacks by hostile Arabs"

      Another interesting theory. However, no Arab state has ever invaded the territory of the the Zionist Movement's state. The Arab states as Regional Powers, had and still have the right to attempt to expel Israeli forces from non-Israeli territories in the region. That's why there are no UNSC resolutions against those attempts

      " pogroms, World Wars, political assassinations, psychotic leaders, the Nazis, the Holocaust, four wars with the Arab States, two Lebanon wars, Hezbollah, Iran, international terrorism from the PLO, Baader-Meinhoff, the Japanese Red Army, etc, etc"

      Even more interesting theories. Care to show examples of the above against Zionism ... I'll wait ... thxzzzzzz

      It appears as though in your opinion rather being a vile pyramid scheme that requires more and more territory, Zionism is now miraculously, a state. There's plenty of evidence that Zionists despise the law, Jews (it purposefully endangers them by encouraging and even financing them to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories) There's also plenty of evidence that Zionism hates anyone and anything that gets in its way, even Jewish folk of conscience, however I can't find any evidence of it being anything other than a pathological 'state' of mind

      "Do you really think Phil Weiss and BDS are going to bring Zionism to it’s knees?
      Is that what you really think?"

      Why are you here?

  • Pope Francis's missed opportunity to speak the truth
    • OK. I'm a little short on cutting any slack when it comes to Israel's crimes

    • @ Shmuel " I think he can be cut some slack for not having used yesterday’s symbolic gesture of goodwill to that end"

      OK.

      "... yesterday at Rome’s great synagogue was neither the time nor the place. I very much doubt that Pope Francis will ever do so "

      If there'll never be a good time, why cut anyone any slack? Israel has had almost 68 years of slack!

  • ‘If it doesn’t have risk it is not worth doing’: Rachel Corrie's family remembers Alan Rickman
  • Are Palestinian citizens of Israel banned from New York Times headlines?
    • @ echinococcus "... ... no need though to continue turning the knife in the wound by repeatedly trumpeting this insult, presenting it as something positive"

      I've not trumpeted it as positive or negative. Simply a statement based on Israel's alleged commitment per its Declaration, subsequent plea for recognition

      My argument is: If there is an insistence that there is or must be a Jewish State, then here are the rules that state and its spokespersons agreed to and;
      here are the Jewish leaders' and representatives' official statements leading up to and after Israeli statehood was proclaimed to the world in its plea for recognition. Statements that show them to be ghastly liars.

      If that state can't live up to its legal commitments, it really needs explaining why is it worthy of statehood at all!

      "They are Palestinians, i.e. owners of sovereignty over the entire territory of Palestine, holding an imposed citizenship that insults them collectively"

      If only you'd said " We " are Palestinians, i.e. owners of sovereignty over the entire territory of Palestine, holding an imposed citizenship that insults" us "collectively"

      Like him or not, it's Abbas who has spoken to the world from the UN podium on behalf of the people of the State of Palestine

      [ OT Re conversation on Armistice Lines vs Israel's borders at: link to mondoweiss.net ]

    • @ yonah fredman "There is something called the Arab League of which the PLO (or the PA) is a member, do you advocate the Arab League kick out the Palestinians because they are not Arab or that the PA quit because they are not Arabs?:"

      Whoa. They're not "Palestinian citizens of Israel"!

      Why is it there's almost always something missing in the Ziosphere?

    • "Palestinian citizens of Israel" Uh?

      Terminology in the argument against continued Zionist colonization and their putrid propaganda needs to be precise because the Zionist spinmeisters will stop at nothing in their attempts to delegitimize and dis-associate from non-Jewish inhabitants of Israel and the rightful non-Jewish inhabitants of whatever remained of Palestine after Israel's borders were proclaimed effective.

      The legal status of these so called "Palestinian citizens of Israel" regardless of their being Jewish or Arab or not is...
      .
      .
      wait for it...
      .
      .
      .
      .. Israeli!

      Simple fact is, Jewish Palestinians of 1948 also became Israelis and many of them were Arab, furthermore;

      If one must insist on calling Non-Jewish Israelis "Palestinian citizens of Israel", by the same criteria the other Israelis (Jewish) are "Palestinian, Polish, American, Canadian, British, Russian, Australian, German, Japanese, Chinese, Brazilian, Chilean, etc etc AND Arab ... citizens of Israel"

      As to being Arab or not, Israel was an Arab majority by 1950

      By 1950 the population of Israel was estimated to be about 1,370,000

      There were approximately 156,000 non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were not dispossessed from within the borders of the territory proclaimed by the Israeli Government and recognized as the State of Israel on the 15th May 1948 effective at 00:01 (ME time) and; there were an additional 500,000 Arab Jewish refugees from the Arab states. Many of whom were cared for by UNRWA until 1952/3 when the Israeli Government took over that responsibility.

      That's approximately 656,000 Arabs of a population of about 1,370,000. Which is about 47%.

      This figure does not yet include the non-Jewish Israeli citizens who by 1950 were dispossessed from Israel's proclaimed and recognized territory and it does not yet include the indigenous Arab Jews of Palestine. Nor does it include Palestinians from outside of Israel's self proclaimed borders.

      By simple maths we can see the Arab population of Israel by 1950 was well in excess of 50%. Which means a large number of Israeli Jews today are of Arabic descent. Arab DNA is deeply and inescapably inherent in the Israeli population

      The closer you look the more bullsh*t you'll find link to wp.me

    • @ Jackdaw

      "I’m waiting for the day when two queers can kiss on a dance floor in a pub in Hevron"

      Same could be said of most pubs in Sydney FFS

  • African asylum seekers fear for safety with racism on the rise in Israeli society
    • @ Philemon "... they might have grown up in a cult, but “…[h]ow ya gonna keep ’em down on the farm/After they’ve seen Paree’.” Children of cultists generally have a good chance of getting out of the cult. Their parents might have joined out of whatever psychological need, but the kids don’t have that. They grow up seeing the show and the pretences, and think, “this is all so mishugenah, not to mention fakakta!”..."

      None of Herzl's family immigrated to Palestine. In fact, neither did Herzl, though in his lifetime there were no restrictions

    • @ hophmi "It’s a belief among people who have been persecuted a whole lot. They tend to believe that if it happened all those other times, it’s likely a long-term problem"

      Like the Zionist Greater Israel project appears to Palestinians and, thanks to the internet, a growing number of people who're at last getting a peak at over a hundred years of Zionist deceit and over half a century of vile Israeli propaganda

    • @ Jackdaw "And none of you, save Froggy, will step up and actually try to help anyone"

      Tried reading ? link to mondoweiss.net

      "Why? Because you are all hypocrites"

      Says the hypocrite who demands others do what he won't

    • @ diasp0ra "Justice for the Palestinians automatically translates to justice for any non-Jew living inside the region of historical Palestine"...

      ... while Zionism appears to automatically translate to injustice for anyone living anywhere if they won't serve the land slut Zionist pyramid scheme

    • @ Palikari "If they don’t like Israel"

      You have evidence of their not liking their Jewish homeland State, Israel?

      There's plenty of evidence that Netanyahu & the Zionist Federation have never liked Israel, they insist on illegally acquiring more and more of Palestine

      "No one is forcing them to stay in Israel!"

      No one is forcing Israel to stay in non-Israeli territories in breach of International Law and the UN Charter

    • @ Annie Robbins "i thought about deleting that "

      Best left as another clear demonstration of the vile types Zionism appears to attract.

    • @ Jackdaw

      IOW You don't sponsor anyone and it seems you have something against non-white Jews. Why am I not surprised?

      BTW link to mondoweiss.net

    • @ Jackdaw You're hilariously and predictably right on track with Ziotactics 101. Trying to make it personal and demonstrating the stupidity I've come to expect of your kind

      "I challenge any one of you to help bring these migrants to your country"

      Sure you do pal, on a discussion thread where nothing can be publicly proven in anonymity you're gonna do what as your part of the challenge? Post more drivel?

      "You genuinely want to help this guy? Do it right. "

      That would be thru my government, its agencies and various NGOs who facilitate tens of thousands of refugees over and above those who've already been under my roof over the past three years

      Tell me Jackdaw, how many refugees have or do you currently sponsor and what hard evidence are you willing to reveal about yourself to prove it?

      "You genuinely want to help this guy? Do it right. "

      Say, that'd be Israel's job, that's where he is, in his Jewish homeland state. Wanting others to do it appears to be an admission on your part that Israel ISN'T doing a very good job of it

    • @ Jackdaw

      E.g., Australia sudanese refugees? link to google.com.au

  • Methodist divestment highlights Israel's place in the world
  • Palestinian poet and artist Ashraf Fayadh sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia (Updated)
    • @ Herchel " By that did you mean, every single piece that is ever published on the site?"

      Uh? You're commenting on a piece that isn't. Look here, you say so yourself....

      "I had to read the headline three times because I was in such disbelief that someone other than the evil Zionists could be the villains of a story here."

      "... where is the story of the jewish mother of six children that was brutally murdered inside her house? "

      By Saudis? WOW!! Now that really IS news!

  • A Response to Ben Norton on silence over war in Yemen
    • "Zionism is just a form of colonialism based on a flawed ideology of racial superiority and Orientalist entitlement at its roots, and evolved into a imperialistic project"

      It's actually a vile pyramid scheme devised in the 1890's by a bunch of greedy and predominantly Jewish financiers who took Herzl's quaint tale and ran with it. A financial scheme that requires more and more territory to survive.

      Herzl himself could have immigrated to Palestine in his lifetime, attained Palestinian citizenship, bought land and settled. He didn't bother, nor did his family. One can only conclude neither he or they actually believed his fantasy

    • Broaden your horizons boys and girls

      Yemen overlooks the Bab el-Mandeb Strait (the Gate of Tears), one of the choke points absolutely critical to that great oil slut the global economy

      Countries near to shipping lanes and transit choke points are kept fragmented, small & relatively powerless

      link to google.com.au

      One major reason Iran has been of concern is its position relative to the Straits of Hormuz

      Korea was divided for the same reason ... Taiwan ... Japan ... et al ... all part of that trade route

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