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An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace

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  • Ringleader in Abu Khdeir kidnapping and murder given life sentence
    • @ DaBakr

      "All the comments here that proclaimed there would never be a conviction or ‘justice’ can now complain about israel not having the death penalty "

      Strange. The IDF regularly assassinates Palestinians, without trial, for alleged crimes

      " imagine how the victims parents will feel if the murderer were freed some years down the road in some hair brained prisoner exchange…."

      A prisoner 'exchange'. Interesting theory you have there. Israel would 'exchange', give the Palestinians, this murderous Israeli scum who was tried in an Israeli court and imprisoned in an Israeli gaol and the Palestinians would give Israel a Palestinian. Sure takes a f*cked up mind to work that one out. Par for the Zionist apologist course tho. Say anything no matter how moronic

      "And while a parent’s grief is unimaginable i can only imagine that when they say the life+20 is not enough, they mean only death would satisfy them."

      The call for death to all Arabs by marching Israelis is well documented, regardless of whether said Arabs have actually committed any crimes

  • Saying Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is not anti-Semitic
    • Watching morons for Israel is quite hilarious. How little they seem to realize the damage they do to their cause

      @ hoya saxa May 4, 2016, 3:03 pm

      "Mind LISTING those alleged racist laws."

      They're listed where it says Click to explore the Discriminatory Laws Database. You do know how to read and click on links on a page, yes? Here, let me help link to adalah.org

      " You will have to explain how its racist that jews are force to join the IDF while arabs can volunteer and get the same benefits. "

      I have to explain something irrelevant to the point? How tiresome. BTW why wouldn't they get the same benefits you stupid person?

      "Quick question, if the 25% non jews are so unhappy in israel how on earth did israel rank the 11th happiest place on earth? "

      Another irrelevant Ziopoop

    • @ JustJessetr "Assuming you’re referring to the many Islamic countries in the Middle East, including the ones with “Islamic” in their official names, your statement overlooks thousands of years of continuous conquest and immigration. Forcing people off the land is nothing new there, whether you want to call it colonialism or something else"

      The acquisition of territory by war has been illegal since at least 1945, under the UN Charter. Israel is a UN Member in breach of International Law and the UN Charter. Unlike Israel, none of the Islamic states are illegally claiming anyone else's territory.

      So. Did you have a point? Or are you simply Ziopooping again? Paid to spread Ziodrivel? Or maybe you're just another vile online abuser attaching itself to the ongoing illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territory by the Jewish state just to keep your bile overflowing

      " it presupposes that nation states with clearly defined borders have also existed for thousands of years, which is nonsense"

      It has been a requirement of statehood since at least 1933 that states have " b ) a defined territory", which is why Israel was obliged to state its borders in order to be recognized link to trumanlibrary.org

      Only real moron would believe the wholly holey Hasbara crapolla claim that Israel had no borders and yet it had been invaded. If a state has no borders how does it or anyone else determine what/who's territories have been invaded? Fact is they couldn't. That's why states MUST have clearly defined boundaries

    • This is funny

      Mayhem May 4, 2016, 8:04 pm

      "... you utter your meaningless platitudes about supremacist states of any kind and instead of showing a proportional attitude"

      Proportional would mean proportional . When will you apply your proportional criteria to Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories? Mmmmmm?

      "... the ONE tiny state that is struggling against all odds to maintain its identity as a democratic Jewish state"

      You mean the state that has never has a legally elected Government because the non-democratic Zionist imposed Provisional Israeli Government immediately instituted basic law instead of the required and promised constitution

      BTW hophmi in case it has escaped your Ziocrap addled mind, there's nothing about democracy in Israel's declaration of statehood. In fact it states quite clearly that Israel will be " based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel"

      Your hollow utterances obviously escape you. You're doing a great job of showing the type of hypocritical idiots attracted to the ongoing illegal colonization of non-Israeli territories in Palestine.

      Keep up th' good work

    • @ hophmi May 4, 2016, 9:18 am

      "Talknic admits that there are Islamic states"

      Who's to deny facts? They exist under International Law and recognition

      ", which he’s perfectly ok with"

      While they adhere to the UN Charter and International law who's not to be OK with any state?

      " whereas he is not ok with a Jewish state"

      Quote me verbatim ... thx I'll wait ... and wait and wait and wait

      Only a completely f*cked up person would be OK with any state while it's in breach of its legal obligations to the UN, International Law and its own Declaration of statehood.

      " Thanks for making that clear, talknic"

      Again you make false accusations, in contravention of the basic tenets of Judaism. Thanks for making your dishonesty clear

      Keep up the good work

    • hoya saxa May 3, 2016, 12:07 pm

      "Always interesting that the world can have dozens of islamic states and no one bats an eyelash but the thought of one jewish state in the world makes some cringe and scream racism and intolerance. Gaza is 99% muslim, sigh. West Bank is 98% muslim, boring. Israel is 75% jewish.."

      What is interesting is that your rant is irrelevant to Israel's self proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time).

      Interesting also that unlike Israel, none of those Islamic states are acting illegally in territories outside their Internationally recognized borders. Unlike Israel, none occupy territories outside their borders. Unlike Israel, they have for the most part, except for Iraq attacking Iran, had "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; " per the UN Charter

      Whereas Israel has attacked all its neighbours, occupies non-Israeli territories, illegally settles Israeli civilians in non-Israeli territories, is in breach of International Law, the UN Charter, relative Geneva Conventions, numerous UNSC resolutions and its own Declaration of statehood

    • @ hoya saxa May 3, 2016, 8:24 pm

      "Israeli arabs in the jewish supremist state rule in the knesset"

      Non-Jewish Israeli Arabs can't 'rule' in the Knesset, they're a tiny minority. Meanwhile Jewish Israeli Arabs are a part of the ruling majority

      " .. sit on the supreme court, become doctors and lawyers, vote and own land"

      Irrelevant to the proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders of Israel and Israel's illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "..tell me about christians and jews in islamic regimes..Ill wait"

      There's only one , Saudi Arabia, where Christians and Jews do not sit on the supreme court, are not represented in the Government etc

    • There should be an 'r' in there .... I'm sure you'll work it out

    • Whether there is or is not Anti(-)semitism alleged or real, Israel is still in beach of International Law, UN Charter, Geneva Conventions, its own Declaration of statehood and its plea for and subsequent International recognition

    • @ m1945

      "The exiles became exiles because they were fighting with the Jews. "

      Another interesting Ziopoop theory. The exiles, predominantly women and children, fled the violence making it impossible for them to have been fighting with the Jews

  • If it had been up to Hillary Clinton, there would be no Iran Deal
    • @ kalithea

      I disagree. Hophmi and company afford opportunity after opportunity to show folk how empty the wholly holey Hasbara crapolla is. They show quite clearly the type of deceitful scum attracted to and willing to support the ongoing illegal colonization of Palestine.

      That they're willing to lie and falsely accuse, breaking the most basic tenets of Judaism on behalf of the Jewish State, is completely bizarre

  • Advice to British leftwingers on kicking racism out of their anti-Israel rhetoric
    • Why is it Zioidiots afford so many opportunities to show people who're genuinely interested in peace and justice, how bl**dy stupid hoya saxa and his pals are

      @ hoya saxa

      "They gave back gaza…"

      "gave" it was never Israel's to 'give' buddy. It was in fact required under International Law emphasized in UNSC res 242 and subsequent UNSC resolutions that it's illegal to acquire territory by war.

      ".. you celebrate hamas monsters too?"

      Fighting an occupying power is monstrous. Say let's apply that to Israelis should Israel ever be invaded, which thus far it hasn't. Israel's wars have been in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      " its illegal to be gay in gaza"

      Cite the law ... thx .. I'll wait .... and wait ...... and wait ..........

      " and have long hair if you a male and listening to rock music"

      Bullsh*t is your forte!

      "I mean they offered a state to arabs how many times already"

      Never. States are not offered by Occupying Powers. The Occupying Power has a "sacred trust" to foster the independence of and protect the properties and the inhabitants of the territories they occupy link to un.org

      Israel has only offered to swap occupied territory for occupied territory so Israel can keep occupied territory. Like a car thief offering you the spare tyre of your car so they can keep the rest. Like an idiot you'd obviously be OK with that arrangement

      " the only place where people are equal and free…"

      Keep lying to yourself pal link to imeu.org

      "ACtually look up GENOCIDE. 500 kids dead wont qualify…ignorant one. "

      You've obviously never read the UN definition of genocide. link to google.com.au
      Israel is a UN Member State BTW.

      What a sad ignorant crapblabbering idiot you've turned out to be.

    • @ hoya saxa

      "not even 20,000 total deaths in 70 years if you include jews and arabs…but this is a GENOCIDE! "

      You really are quite a Ziomoron. Even one death can be genocidal. Read the UN definition. Israel is a UN Member state BTW bound in every respect to adhere to the UN charter in its entirety, that includes all UN resolutions that re-affirm and/or emphasize International Law and the UN Charter and relevant GCs

      " 1.8 million gazans and after 50 days all israel can do is kill 2200…half of them terrorists"

      Fighting an invading force is not terrorism. In fact, it is illegal to bombard un-defended villages, towns etc. Israel can only carry out its regular slaughterfests if Hamas or a similar military organization exists. Laws of War, Art. 25. The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.

      Why are supporters of Israel's illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territory so stupid?

    • "2. Remember, one person’s Settler Colonial project of land appropriation is another person’s expression of national self-determination.

      And both are correct."

      Not when the Settler Colonial party illegally appropriating territory the territory of the other party already has a defined state. In fact, it's illegal.

      "So my plea to those on the left ..."

      No one on the 'right' believes in upholding Internationa Law? AMAZING!!!

  • UN agency says Israeli ban on cement preventing reconstruction in Gaza
    • Uh huh DaBakr

      Say, why didn't you provide a link? You must have gotten your information from somewhere. Keep in mind accusations are not evidence, no matter how many times they're repeated.

      Furthermore why is it that so many reasonable requests for evidence for some of you and your fellows' bizarre claims go un-answered? Could it be that you're simply full of bullsh*t? Surely not!

      BTW Your ignoring reasonable requests only emphasizes your dishonesty. Keep up the good work, most admirable!

  • 'Her absurd generals, her military junk' -- Daniel Berrigan's prophetic speech on Israel in '73
    • @ hoya saxa May 3, 2016, 11:38 pm

      An entire post entirely irrelevant to the legal status of Israel's self proclaimed and Internationally recognized territories and Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories

      Bravo. You're doing a great job

    • Irrelevant and typical Zioidiot derail attempt

      hoya saxa May 4, 2016, 8:29 pm link to mondoweiss.net

    • @ hoya saxa

      "palestinian is such a long word and a stolen identity anyway."

      Strange. Palestine seems to have existed long before and longer than Israel link to wp.me

      Jewish history in the region has been as Palestinian Jews far longer than Israel or the Kingdom of David ever existed

      Furthermore your stupid notion is entirely irrelevant to Israel's officially proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel's illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "funny how it didnt dawn on anyone to steal an identity until an egyptian named arafat."

      Where Arafat was born is irrelevant to Israel's officially proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders and Israel's illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      BTW you might find this funny too. Only one of the signatories to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was from the region. Amongst those, Israeli PM's who were not from the region

      David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland
      Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine)
      Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus
      Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine)
      Saadia Kobashi – Yemen
      Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine)
      Rachel Cohen – Odesa
      David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary
      Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland
      Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus
      Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia
      Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia
      Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia
      Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany - Netherlands
      Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia
      Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland) US
      Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark
      Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany
      Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia
      David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia
      Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland
      Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland
      Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine
      Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia
      Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine
      Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ?
      Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland
      Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria /Hungary
      Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia
      Zvi Segal – Lithuania
      Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
      Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania
      Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia
      Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus
      Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia - Lithuania/Japan/Canada

      Did you have a point you were trying to make? Or merely Ziodumping the usual wholly holey Hasbara crapolla?

    • @ hophmi

      "So you agree with Berrigan that Arabs are deceptive people?"

      By what non-existent path do you reach your bizarre conclusion?

  • Censorship in Brooklyn: Food Coop bars 'any events related to BDS or Israel' from meeting room
    • @ hophmi April 30, 2016, 2:04 pm

      " The Park Slope Coop sells food. It’s not there for extreme partisans to drive everybody crazy by exporting the politics of the Middle East into Brooklyn"

      Uh huh. Let's look at past discussions that've been held there ... OK. You first

  • BDS or emigration: pick one
    • @ m1945 "Jews have lived there for thousands of years"

      More non-Jews have lived there for longer. In fact there's no evidence that our Jewish fore-bearers were ever a majority in the region.

      "If you dig, you will find ancient Jewish synagogue & ancient Jewish ritual baths"

      So what? It's entirely irrelevant to the officially proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders of Israel and Israel's illegal activities in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      " the Torah is the deed to the land"

      Not according to the Israeli Government who proclaimed Israel's borders as being " within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947"

      You're bitching at the wrong people. Take it up with the Israeli Government

    • m1945 May 2, 2016, 4:06 pm

      "There was no legal border between Israel & the West Bank so we really can’t say that Israel is claiming someone else’s land."

      Bullsh*te must be your forte.

      UNSC Resolution 476 is one of at least EIGHT reminders of UNSC Res 252

      252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980. None of which have anything to do with race or religion. They’re based on the UN Charter, International Law and the GC’s, all of which Israel obliged itself to uphold. Alas it hasn’t.

      UNSC res 476 tells us you're full of crap

      1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      2. Strongly deplores the continued refusal of Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly;

      3. Reconfirms that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal validity and constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

      4. Reiterates that all such measures which have altered the geographic, demographic and historical character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council;

      Thanks BTW for affording the opportunity to show genuinely interested people just how empty and stupid your remarks can be, just the type of person the Zionist Colonization of Palestine attracts

    • @ m1945 May 2, 2016, 3:49 pm

      "Germans, Japanese & Palestinians all had the same choice – live in peace or fight.
      Germans & Japanese chose peace even though that meant giving up land & have now had 70 years of peace & prosperity."

      You're over your head in Ziosh*te. Neither Germany or Japan 'chose' defeat.

      Germany attacked Poland, Poland was given back to Poland, Germany lost no German land to Poland. The Japanese gave up no Japanese land as a result of the war.

      "The Palestinians chose war."

      Jewish forces were outside the extent of Israel's borders on the day they were proclaimed as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" ... The Regional Arab Powers had a right to attempt to expel non-Palestinian forces from what remained of Palestine after Israel's borders were proclaimed.

      Israel got peace with Egypt when Israel WITHDREW from all Egyptian territory. Read the Peace Treaty then go vomit your puke somewhere else

    • @ m1945 Palestinians were attacking Israelis before settlements & before occupation"

      There was no Israel or Israelis when the Zionist Federation began its invasive colonization and settlement program in 1897 link to jewishencyclopedia.com

    • @ m1945 May 1, 2016, 5:18 pm

      "Did the Nazis have the right to react to occupation after world war 2?"

      If the Occupying Powers illegally claimed Occupied territories for themselves, yes. If citizens of the Occupying Powers were encouraged and assisted by the Occupying Powers to illegally settle in Occupied Territories while maintaining respective citizenship of the Occupying Powers, yes.

      "Would they have been justified in launching rockets & mortars at French civilians?"

      No. However a check of the IDF Memorial site tells us that far more Israeli military have been targeted, injured and killed than have Israeli civilians. The number of Israeli civilians injured and/or killed falls way below par for collateral damage resulting from attacking the IDF

      You're wading in Ziopoop arguments that don't pass simplest of tests

  • The banality of evil as captured in a selfie
    • m1945 "Anti-Israel people have been corrupting Wikipedia for years"

      Hilarious
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Wikipedia's editorial policy is to reflect second hand opinion over facts. One cannot directly quote the UN Charter because it is a "primary source" that might not be understood by readers.

      Editors must in their own words, which is an opinion, cite the opinions of published scholars. Even if the published scholar can be proven wrong by the very wording of the document they are writing about that's OK by Wikipedia's editorial policies, as long as a majority of editors agree to its inclusion.

    • @ m1945 April 30, 2016, 11:06 pm

      "The occupation began because Israel was attacked."

      Nonsense. Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were outside the territory proclaimed by the Israeli Government in its plea for recognition the day Israel was proclaimed " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to trumanlibrary.org

      The Israeli Government confirmed this fact on the 22nd May 1948 in their statement to the UNSC "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel , are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel " link to unispal.un.org

      There has never been a war in Israeli territory. After Israel made it's borders known, the surrounding Regional Powers had a right on informing the UNSC of their intentions, to attempt to expel foreign forces from what remained of "Palestine" link to mfa.gov.il

      " If Israel pulls out of the West Bank, thousands of rockets and mortars from the West Bank will kill even more Israelis"

      Unsupported speculation can be such fun. Here, let me try ...

      No there won't!

    • @ hophmi " ... three kids taking a selfie"

      Making light of armed kids in the IDF? WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS?

      You support the fact that Israel is willing to sacrifice children in order to maintain the illegal acquisition of non-Israeli territory. AMAZING!!

      "I think it’s more filming a suicide video before Hamas sends some kid to stab an innocent Israeli civilian"

      Link? Thx ... ... I'll wait ... ... ...

  • Beinart's Jewish double-bind: Support oppression or you're out of the family
    • inbound39 "I should have clarified that more by saying it expects people to keep liking it"

      Israel is a byproduct of the Zionist Colonization pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes don't care.

      "It is exactly like when you ask a drunk if they have a problem with alcohol….they say….nope, I just rip the tops of the bottles and drink it…no problem at all. Israel is basically insane and needs putting in a global rehab for ten years or more"

      The drunk is in denial. The Zionist Colonization of Palestine is a scheme of which denial is only one of many ploys to keep the ball in the air

    • " It steals and defrauds and plays verbal tennis with habitual frequency. It destroys all it comes into contact with and repeats the same behaviour over and over again expecting a different outcome"

      It doesn't care about a different outcome. The aim of the Zionist Colonization of Palestine is to keep acquiring territory in order to keep the vile scheme rolling over, without which Israel would become a bankrupt failed state

  • Woman and child killed in Iraq as US adopts Israeli 'knocker' bombs and leaflet drops
  • Norman Finkelstein on Sanders, the first intifada, BDS, and ten years of unemployment
    • Caruthers April 27, 2016, 9:41 pm

      "Activist scholars like Ilan Pappe make a strong case that
      (a): what has long been the politically dominant form of Zionism is an ideology of supremacist racism; and
      (b): this ideology is and has always been the driving force behind the dispossession, ethnic cleansing, and subjugation of Palestinians"

      They're only symptoms. It has been and still is a vile pyramid scheme started in 1897 by the Zionist Federation that depends on the colonization of more and more territory in order to loan more and more Jews more and more money in order to collect more and more interest, have them pay more rates and taxes on the land they buy and to entice more and more wealthy investors in cancerous infrastructure and settlement scheme, endangering more and more Israelis in non-Israeli territories under Israeli occupation.

      Now Israel has long passed the point of being able to afford to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter, it would be A) sent bankrupt paying reparations and resettling Israelis back in Israel and B) explode into civil war predominantly in non -Israeli territories as it tried to repatriate hundreds of thousands of disillusioned Israelis back to Israeli territory.

      The Zionist Federation and its many arms have not only screwed over the Palestinians, they've turned Israel into a rogue state, lied to and ripped off hundreds of thousands of brainwashed Israelis and diaspora Jews and made a mockery of the UN, the US and everyone else they've used and abused

    • @ Jackdaw "Another difference between Protective Edge and Cast Lead is that Hamas started the more recent conflict"

      What 'recent' conflict. It's the same conflict started in 1897 by the Zionist's vile financial scheme to colonize Palestine.

      "consistently targeted civilians with their rockets"

      Targeting with unguided rockets is an interesting theory... Strange that the IDF memorial site shows that more military have been targeted, injured and killed than have Israeli civilians

      " and wouldn’t stand down and agree to a ceasefire"

      When has Israel ever stopped slaughtering non-Jews in territory the Zionists covet?

  • Two more young Palestinians are shot dead -- this time after one allegedly throws a knife
  • Sanders 'put everything on the line' for Palestine because BDS movement has changed US conversation -- Peled
  • 'NYT' manages to make childhood detention story work for Israel
    • @ hophmi "There is a Jewish state and Israel is a democracy"

      A) A state that covets other folks property, steals other folks property and murders to do it, supported by liars and false accusers is NOT a Jewish state, it's an abomiNation

      B) There's nothing about democracy in the Declaration of statehood. In fact it says ISRAEL ... will " be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel;”

      C) There has never been a legally elected government in Israel under the impossible to write, but promised and legally necessary constitution.

      "... it’s always amazing to me that people who oppose a Jewish state because of the Naqba oppose the presence of Jews in Hebron"

      It's Israelis who have no legal place in non-Israeli territory "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" held under Israeli occupation

      " a place where they were the victims of a massacre in 1929, and from where they subsequently had to flee"

      Go moan to the Zionist Movement, Jewish Agency and Jewish People's Council for proclaiming Israel's borders effective 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) link to trumanlibrary.org

      "Maybe instead of name-calling, you should come up with a plan"

      Israel can f*ck off out of all non-Israeli territories for once instead of breaking the basic tenets of Judaism, International Law, the UN Charter and numerous UNSC resolutions reaffirming and emphasizing binding law

      "Or maybe they have experienced a generation of terrorism that has caused them to question whether it’s possible for them to live in harmony with their neighbors:"

      How true, pre-state Jewish terrorists did slaughter Jews who got in the way ...

      " Israel isn’t a violent society"

      Tell that to the illegal settlers and IDF goons who slaughter non-Jews in disproportionate numbers in order to steal non-Israeli territory coveted by the Zionist Colonization project

      " Please. Look everywhere else in the Middle East if you want to see what a violent society looks like. Look at the United States. We have a much greater murder rate here. We incarcerate a lot more people."

      Whataboutery 101. How pathetic. If other places weren't so violent, Israel would suddenly adhere to International Law? Is that the point your trying to make? Amazing!!! Or maybe it's if folk look at all the other rapists and murderers, your favourite rapist and murderer won't appear to be so bad, despite still being a rapist and murderer.

      "No one is throwing non-Jews out of Israel."

      Israeli propaganda is U

  • Chabon calls occupation 'the most grievous injustice I have ever seen in my life' and says he is 'culpable'
    • @ hophmi April 25, 2016, 11:29 am

      "the occupation should be ended, and is an injustice to Palestinians, albeit an injustice Israel was forced into to"

      Forced into by who? Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were already outside the boundaries proclaimed by the Israeli Government as Israel's sovereign extent on the day it was proclaimed, busy ethnically cleansing non-Jews from coveted non-Israeli territory. Occupation has never stopped. Israel has never fully withdrawn from all non-Israeli territories, never offered a fair, just or rightful settlement, denying even non-Jewish Israeli citizens their RoR

      "and an injustice that pales in comparison to what is occurring elsewhere in the Middle East"

      No other state in the M. East occupies territories outside of their recognized boundaries, enslaving the occupied population to a lifetime of underpaid servitude helping the occupier illegally settle in occupied territory, while illegally exploiting their resources.

    • @ pabelmont April 25, 2016, 7:04 pm

      "Guys, it’s not really about hophmi’s moral compass."

      Rubbish. hophmi has been shown incontrovertible evidence of Israel's war crimes from primary sources including the words of the Israeli Government from the Israeli Government's web site. Yet the Hasbara still flows from poor misunderstood hophmi's hand

      "He’s only one person"

      ... in a voluntary army of wholly holey Hasbarristers

      "It’s about Israel’s moral compass and the moral compass of the US Jewish Establishment/Oligarchy, and the moral compass of all those synagogues out there which are reflexively pro-Israel and have nothing to say about the injustice"

      And hophmi and his ilk here eagerly attempt to enable them and support them in their deceit. hophmi, like the others is a liar, a cheat, a false accuser as far from the basic tenets of Judaism as one can possible get, which, in defense of the 'Jewish' state's crimes, is quite simply bizarre.

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  • When 'Broad City' Went On Birthright, and taught us all a lesson about American Jews and Israel
    • @ Jackdaw April 26, 2016, 4:38 pm

      "Please show us another article from The Atlantic that contains footnotes"

      Do you really expect any credence by pitching an unverified propaganda opinion piece against a post containing verifiable, official information and simple maths?

    • @ Jackdaw - - Martha Gellhorn's opinion has no foot notes, no references.

      Cute.

    • "The heart of the problem is that Israel is built on the dispossession of Palestinians from their homeland, and today more than 5 million Palestinians who were driven out of their homes in 1948 and their descendants are still refugees. Israel forbids Palestinian refugees the right to return to their homes, in direct contravention of international law. Thus, while Israel allows Jews born anywhere on Earth to move to Israel and automatically gives them citizenship, Palestinian refugees – including those born in what is now Israel – are forbidden from returning. " link to mondoweiss.net

      Highly in-accurate.

      Officially, from the UN

      "Refugees from Israel- controlled territory amount to approximately 711,000"

      At the time Israel controlled its own territory AND territories the Israeli Government said on May 22nd 1948 were

      "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      Of that 711,000, only those who's normal place of residence was within Israel's officially proclaimed and recognized boundaries had/have RoR to Israel.

      Based on the estimate that only about 20% non-Jews remained of an approximate 397,000 non-Jewish population (according to the Jewish Virtual Library), we can estimate that some 317,600 non-Jewish citizens were dispossessed from Israeli territories.

      The other approx 393,400 of the initial 711,000 non-Jewish refugees, and their lineal descendants, had/have RoR to non-Israeli territories as they stood @ 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) per the official Israeli Government proclamation link to trumanlibrary.org

  • Israeli pronouncement on policing West Bank solidifies one-state apartheid regime -- Erekat
    • @ shaun patrick April 23, 2016, 7:17 pm

      "Abbas is a big part of the problem because his actions stop Israel and the USA paying the price of the occupation."

      Israel and the USA didn't pay the price before Abbas. Israel has never paid the price. It can't afford now to pay the price without becoming a bankrupt failed state

      "Some of the steps the Palestinians without Abbas can take, suspend for a year armed or actions involving the use of force, join every UN organization available"

      Done under Abbas. Never done prior to Abbas

      " and force the USA to honor their legislation and not fund or participate in these committees"

      'force' how exactly?

      "withdraw 100% security cooperation with Israel"

      Would result in Israel invading and institution a complete lock down of every inch of territory under the control of the PA

      "for tens of thousands of Gaza residents to sit as close to the boarder as possible and go on a hunger strike, refuse all USA funds, form a Palestinian Ministry of Civil disobedience "

      You're dreaming.

  • The end of apartheid in Israel will not destroy the country, it can only improve it
    • @ Sibiriak April 26, 2016, 5:21 am

      "Thanks. It seems we agree on all points here"

      Oh? Indigenous peoples included in the legitimate citizens of a territory are not excluded from the same right to self determination as their fellow citizens.

    • Sibiriak April 25, 2016, 8:30 am

      "I just searched the ICJ “Wall” opinion, and I cannot find a single reference to “indigenous” rights or anything related."

      Uh? The ICJ only answers the specific question/s they were asked.

      Meanwhile link to search.un.org

    • @ Sibiriak April 25, 2016, 12:57 am

      //echinococcus: The law of nations has confirmed, at least during much if not all of the 20th century, that the sovereignty over any territory belongs to its legitimate inhabitants (excluding the colonial invaders.)//
      ——————

      "Colonialism was not effectively condemned in international law until the 1960’s, and there has never been any legal imperative for sovereignty over the territory of settler -colonialist states to be placed solely in the hands of “indigenous inhabitants.”"

      A) The phrase used was "legitimate inhabitants" and refers to the colonization of existing states
      B) Colonialism by any means of coercive measure force was condemned long before 1960.
      C) you then switch to the formation of states via decolonization

      IOW a very confusing post

  • Thousands of Israelis fill Tel Aviv's Rabin Square in support for soldier who executed Palestinian
  • Anti-BDS legislation faces crucial hearing tomorrow in California Judiciary Committee
    • @ Steve Grover April 20, 2016, 9:23 pm

      "If I was doing such great work..."

      "If"? You're doing a great job of showing people the mentality that encourages and results in murder link to smh.com.au

    • @ Steve Grover April 20, 2016, 3:10 pm

      "Ain’t too proud to brag about Israel or Zionism"

      As a supporter of Israel's criminal activities you're doing great Steve. Keep up the good work.

    • Bragging about supporting the illegal exploitation of non-Israeli territories again Steve.

      Thanks again for showing people the type of ugly, sick, f*cked up mentality the Zionist colonization program attracts. You must be so proud!

  • 'Anti-Zionism = anti-semitism' is a formal logical fallacy
    • ‘Anti-Zionism = anti-semitism’ is irrelevant to the legal status of Israel's legally defined and recognized borders and Israel's illegal activities outside of the State of Israel

  • Sanders' unprecedented call for 'justice and peace' marks decline of lobby's power
    • @ yonah fredman April 16, 2016, 2:36 pm

      "I would divide the period since 67 as follows:"

      Not include 1966? Let me guess why not link to unispal.un.org

      "Til 78 and the peace with egypt" Where for peace Israel withdrew from all territory sovereign to Egypt, per UNSC 242

      "I would not attempt to measure aipac’s strength, but rather focus upon the inconclusive nature of resolution 242."

      Inconclusive because of one thing! Israel has yet to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories occupied in the so called '67 war

      "The gist of 242 negotiate and solve it, without specific parameters or certainly ambiguous enough language to let the resolution remain a text, an unimplemented text for 48 plus years"

      Bullsh*t!. There's a Peace treaty with Egypt because Israel agreed to have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of " ... Egypt ... " and (its) right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force; " by withdrawing from all Egyptian territory and there's a peace Treaty with Jordan. Both were implemented per UNSC res 242.

      " don’t blame the lobby: blame history and the occupation"

      A) The lobby are an arm of Zionist Federation who decided to colonize Palestine in 1897. B) Without the lobby there'd be no US veto in the UNSC. C) Without the Federation's historic lust for Palestinian territory and the lobby, I doubt there'd be any occupation

  • 'NY Times' publishes op-ed writer's blatant falsehood about Palestinians without blinking an eye
    • I doubt it's even that complex. Propagandists simply don't care that it's a lie. As long as a corpse has been thrown over the wall or dropped int the well to seep into the soil or spoil the water

    • @ DaBakr April 17, 2016, 12:36 am

      "certainly expect that you are boycotting all doctors, medical innovations, generic drugs and associated hospitals with pro-zionist , pro-israeli leanings. disgusting"

      What is disgusting? Your assumption? Certainly is! But it's YOUR assumption and your assumption is nothing without evidence for which you supply no thing.

  • The Jewish community must choose, between Sanders and AIPAC
  • Jewish leaders' excommunication of Sanders aide over Israel will only alienate young Jews -- Open Hillel
    • @ RealityBites April 23, 2016, 10:00 am

      If there was more criticism of the Palestinians Israel would adhere ot the UN Charter and International Law? Is that the theory....

      Your big wad of whataboutery is completely irrelevant to the fact that Israel is engaged in illegal activities as the Occupying Power over non-Israeli territories, in breach of International Law and the UN Charter and numerous UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of the binding laws those resolutions reaffirm and emphasize

      The Palestinians are not an Occupying Power over anyone elses territories. They don't have tens of thousands of Israelis in Palestinian gaols. They're not illegally dispossessing any Israelis. They're not burning Israeli homes. They're not destroying Israeli orchards or preventing Israelis from working Israeli farms, they're not forcing Israelis in Israel thru hundreds of checkpoints, they're not withholding Israeli taxes. They're not preventing Israelis from getting to school or hospitals or their jobs. They're not causing Israeli unemployment or illegally exploiting Israeli resources

      I very much doubt that any amount of criticism of the Palestinians is gonna change Israel's ongoing ILLEGAL colonization of non-Israeli territories

  • Note to Progressive Jews: The right of return is not the 'i'm-doing-you-a-favor' of return
  • Goldman Sachs is funding Hebron settlers
    • @ jon s April 14, 2016, 10:29 am

      MaxNarr,
      "The point is that if the settlers can reclaim property owned by Jews before the 1929 massacre, why shouldn’t the Palestinians be able to reclaim property that they owned before 1948? In other words: right of return. It can’t work only in one direction, and not the other."

      Problem. Israelis have no 'right of return' to non-Israeli territories. Whereas Israelis including non-Jewish Israeli citizens who were dispossessed by Israel and their lineal descendants, have RoR to Israeli territories.

    • Why do Zioidiots play stupid fools?

      @ MaxNarr April 13, 2016, 10:16 pm

      " Why do you consider Jews “Settlers” in Hebron when they returned to homes that were legally owned by the Jewish community before they massacre by their Arab neighbors in the 1920s when the community was hacked to death with axes and other weapons?"

      Because they're ISRAELI citizens you stupid person. Israel was proclaimed as the Jewish state " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to trumanlibrary.org

      Hebron was not included. Israel has not since legally acquired any territory beyond its proclaimed borders

      An American cannot go to the UK as a US citizen and illegally settle in the UK just because their ancestors used to live in the UK

      Nor can an Australian go to the UK as an Australian citizen and illegally settle in the UK just because their ancestors used to live in the UK

      Israelis are not exempt from the law just because they're Jews

  • Against Balance: Thoughts on teaching Israel/Palestine
    • @ jon s April 19, 2016, 4:36 pm

      " is Japan Japanese-supremacist?"

      All of its citizens are Japanese regardless of their being Shinto, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, atheist etc

      "Is Portugal Portuguese-supremacist?"

      All of its citizens are Portuguese regardless of their being Shinto, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, atheist etc

      "Is Russia Russian-supremacist?"

      All of its citizens are Russian regardless of their being Christian, Islamic, Jewish, atheist etc

      "You are aware of the fact that around 25% of Israel’s citizens are non-Jewish?"

      Uh huh. Suddenly "Israel" pops in there. Are you aware you're undermining your own stupid f*cked up "Jewish state" Ziocrap argument?

    • @ jon s " If the Japanese can have a Japanese state, and the Turks can have a Turkish state, and so forth, why can’t the Jews have a Jewish state?"

      Japanese state = Japanese citizenship includes Buddhists, Shinto, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, atheist etc

      Turkish state = Turkish citizenship including Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc

      Jewish state = Jewish citizenship includes ... uh ... er ... uhm .. Jews

      jon s says he is a teacher? Sheeeeeeeeesh! I say he's full of Ziopoop!

      " The Palestinians themselves intend to establish an Islamic state." With citizenship that does NOT depend on any particular religion, race, ethnicity, guaranteeing freedom of religion.

    • @ jon s April 15, 2016, 3:42 am

      "Do you realize that the “accountability” that you’re talking about would also entail the prosecution of much of the Palestinian leadership (the entire Hamas leadership and, possibly part of the PA authorities) for war crimes and terrorism?"

      What's stopping Israel from pursuing that avenue now?

      "Much as history is important to me, I really think that our focus should be on the present and the future and not on settling past accounts"

      Hypothetical - Thief steal jon's home. Jon his wife and children are homeless. Jon's focus is on, along with his family, making life as comfortable as possible living under a tarpaulin. Thief has a home, jon's home. Jon's is happy with this outcome.

      Meanwhile back in the real world, in the 'present' Israel continues stealing territory and bulldozing the homes of non-Jews leaving their 'future' rather bleak. Jon's has a home in non-Israeli territory. Jon's is happy with this.

    • @ jon s April 14, 2016, 10:53 am

      "I stand by my position that both sides should focus on the goal of achieving peace, a fair, realistic, reasonable , agreement that both sides can live with"

      Interesting. How do you suggest they reach such a goal when one side steadfastly refuses to adhere to the law and the agreements it has made?

    • @ jon s April 12, 2016, 5:17 pm

      "As a high school History teacher, in Israel"

      When and by what legal means did Be'er Sheba become Israeli territory? Link to a copy of the agreement please ....thx ... I'll wait

  • How I discovered what Phil Ochs thought about Israel
    • @ DaBakr April 12, 2016, 11:49 pm

      "Whether it was international law or just consensus, which the opinion that judea and Samaria are legally occupied"

      The UNSC says "occupied" I gave the link. Aren't you allowed to read UNSC resolutions?

      " the 3 no’s were not only stupid and short sited but also had absolutely nothing to do with the arab blocks concern for the welfare of palestinians"

      Strange. The Arab states have generously hosted Palestinian refugees for 67 years

      " surely you can’t believe there was much love for their arab brethren from the gulf states, egypt and the rest of the arab world at that time"

      Odd isn't it that the Arab states have fought wars against Israel's ongoing colonization of Palestine on behalf of the Palestinians, fought the legal battle for the Palestinians since 1922, hosted Palestinian refugees for 67 years.

      Israel has done ...nothing. No thing. Except take more and more non-Israeli territory and slaughtered more and more non-Jews to do it.

    • @ DaBakr "I forgot how much either ignoring and/or subscribing to a narrative where at least 5 major wars and a half dozen serious conflicts either never happened or if they did, in every single case, israel was responsible as aggressor and never the target of attack"

      Save your bullsh*t pal. Under Plan Dalet Jewish forces were already outside of Israeli territory the day it was proclaimed "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to trumanlibrary.org

      All of Israel's wars have been preemptive and in other folks territories and over territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

      "I would also add if the conflict is so friggen simple as you all claim it is how is it that very little progress has been made ?"

      Simple simpleton. Israel ignores International Law, the UN Charter and UNSC resolutions

      ".. israeli offers that exceeded almost every demand for land return "

      More bullsh*t! Israel has only ever offered to swap non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation for non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation, so Israel can keep non-Israeli territories.

      " ceding old Jerusalem as the rightful capital"

      Jerusalem was never Israeli. UNSC Resolution 476 is one of at least EIGHT reminders of UNSC Res 252
      252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 452 (1979) 20 July 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980. None of which have anything to do with race or religion. They’re based on the UN Charter, International Law and the GC’s, all of which Israel obliged itself to uphold. Alas it hasn’t.
      Resolution 476 (1980) Adopted by the Security Council at its 2242nd meeting on 30 June 1980

      The Security Council,
      Having considered the letter of 28 May 1980 from the representative of Pakistan, the current Chairman of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, as contained in document S/13966 of 28 May 1980,
      Reaffirming that acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible,
      Bearing in mind the specific status of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for protection and preservation of the unique spiritual and religious dimension of the Holy Places in the city,
      Reaffirming its resolutions relevant to the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, in particular resolutions 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980,
      Recalling the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949 relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War,
      Deploring the persistence of Israel, in changing the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure and the status of the Holy City of Jerusalem,
      Gravely concerned over the legislative steps initiated in the Israeli Knesset with the aim of changing the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem,
      1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      " sinai is the last significant treaty ceding conquered land"

      "ceding" More bullsh*t! Israel was required to withdraw for territories sovereign to Egypt! Read the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty you stupid person

      Article II Determination of Final Lines and Zones
      1. In order to provide maximum security for both Parties after the final withdrawal, the lines and the Zones delineated on Map 1 are to be established and organized as follows:
      until Israeli armed forces complete withdrawal from the current J and M Lines established by the Egyptian-Israeli Agreement of September 1975, hereinafter referred to as the 1975 Agreement, up to the interim withdrawal line, all military arrangements existing under that Agreement will remain in effect, except those military arrangements otherwise provided for in this Appendix.
      Within a period of seven days after Israeli armed forces have evacuated any area located in Zone A…..
      Within a period of seven days after Israeli armed forces have evacuated any area located in Zones A or B…
      The Parties agree to remove all discriminatory barriers to normal economic relations and to terminate economic boycotts of each other upon completion of the interim withdrawal.
      As soon as possible, and not later than six months after the completion of the interim withdrawal, the Parties will enter negotiations with a view to concluding an agreement on trade and commerce for the purpose of promoting beneficial economic relations.

      "I sometimes forget how zionist-haters completely ignore the concept of land conquered in war and how return of said land can only be accomplished by negotiating with the conquered."

      Nonsense. It has been illegal to acquire territory by any coercive measure since at least 1933 link to cfr.org
      The only negotiation is how and when the Occupying Power should withdraw. Read the Israel/Egypt Peace Treaty

      ".. deviously claim israel started every conflict/war it ever engaged in"

      It did. The preemptor starts its wars. Israel started every war it has ever fought, including the so called '67 war, by attacking on Jordan in 1966 link to unispal.un.org

      Take your waffle somewhere else, you're making a fool of yourself here

    • @ DaBakr April 11, 2016, 12:27 am

      ... "the 3 no’s of khartoum which shut down negotiations almost completely"

      The 3 no's were according to International Law “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel and no negotiations with Israel”

      The conditions that prompted the Arab states to adopt the three no's were

      link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      The Arab Heads of State have agreed to unite their political efforts at the international and diplomatic level to eliminate the effects of the aggression and to ensure the withdrawal of the aggressive Israeli forces from the Arab lands which have been occupied since the aggression of June 5. This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country

      It simply reflects UNSC res 476 1: Reaffirmsthe overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      No peace with Israel: Example - While territory sovereign to Egypt was under Israeli occupation the two states were not at peace. In the eventual Egypt Israel Peace Treaty, Israel was required and agreed to begin withdrawal before peaceful relations were assumed. Withdrawal for peace. Quite simple really.

      No recognition of Israel: There is no legal basis for Israel demanding recognition. Recognition is not mandatory. States plead for recognition and other states may or may not recognize them as they wish

      No negotiations: What's to negotiate? UNSC res 242 doesn't call for any negotiations. Israel is in breach of International Law, the UN Charter and relative Geneva Conventions. Under the law, Israel is required to have "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

      IOW get out of other folks territory, p*ss off to its own territory, take its illegal settlers with it and pay reparations

    • @ DaBakr " one of the most complex land disputes in the past century "

      There's nothing complicated about Israel invading and illegally claiming territories outside of its proclaimed and recognized borders pal.

      link to trumanlibrary.org

      link to unispal.un.org

      There's no moral, legal, ethical or practical reason why Israel should not withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, taking all its illegal settlers with it, paying rightful compensation for 67 years of theft and illegally exploited resources. Except of course for the fact that Israel cannot now afford to adhere to the law without being sent bankrupt and very likely breaking out in a civil war in non-Israeli territorie as it tries to repatriate hundreds of thousands of disillusioned and very very angry Israelis who have been deceived by consecutive Israeli Governments and the scummy Zionist Federation

      An Israeli civil war in non-Israeli territories makes for an interesting situation BTW

  • After wins abroad, BDS conference in West Bank sees local traction
    • @ MaxNarr April 11, 2016, 7:59 pm

      "Haha you can’t even get so called Palestinians to stop consuming awesome Israeli products"

      Something to do with what the Occupying Power allows Palestinians perhaps. Occupation is after all an industry on which Israel depends you silly silly person

  • Israeli journalist Derfner succinctly analyzes the anti-Semitism vs. anti-Zionism debate
    • @ hophmi April 11, 2016, 12:48 pm

      "Do you believe that it’s justified when a Palestinian suicide bomber blows up Israeli children"

      If it was their intent to blow up Israeli children, certainly not. Best you lobby the idiotic Israeli government and the stupid Zionist Federation to stop encouraging and arming illegal settlers because there is bound to be collateral in a war zone

  • Israel demands correction from Sanders: it killed only 532 Palestinian children in summer 2014
    • @ MaxNarr April 10, 2016, 8:35 pm

      "... the “Palestinian” ministry of Health? They are known liars and propagandists and use human lives as a tool"

      Evidence? Thanks ...

      BTW accusations are not evidence

    • How many have since died of their injuries, exposure, suicide etc bought about by Israel's ghastly slaughterfest?

      BTW, 10 or 10,000, Israel is in breach of the UN Charter, International Law, relative conventions and its own Declaration swearing to uphold the aforementioned

  • The Jewish-Israeli navel-gazers
    • @ MaxNarr "Talknic, just scroll your history, you made it very clear that you don’t give a damn if settlers are killed."

      You're a stinking liar Max. I've always maintained that the Israeli Government and the Zionist Federation are who you should complain to for assisting illegal settlers to settle where they might well become collateral in a war zone. What kind of a scummy organization and criminal Government, apart from those YOU support, purposefully hides behind unarmed civilians, deceiving them into believing they have a right to be there? Illegally selling them land that doesn't actually belong to the state of Israel?

      "Actually just look at your previous comment “Armed Israelis are valid military targets in Occupied Territories”"

      Uh huh. Note the word "armed"

      "Answer this question. Beside the fact that these areas are not occupied"

      The UNSC, ICJ and even the Israeli High Court disagree with your bullsh*t Max

      " in your belief, if a settler carries a handgun for self defense is that man or woman a “valid target” yes or no? plain and simple."

      You purposefully left out "in Occupied Territories" Max. Tch tch tch, how unsurprisingly dishonest of you

      They ought not be in Occupied Territories you dope, let alone armed. The IDF are there to protect them, despite the fact that they're there in breach of International Law and it's actually the Occupied who should be protected under Chapter XI of the UN Charter

      "If you say that any father or mother that carries a handgun to protect their family is a valid military target for murder I swear I will never respond to a comment of your again"

      The best way to protect one's family Max, is not to illegally settle in other folks territory, where they might become collateral

      "Also, answer this one, how would a terrorist know if it was a concealed carry? Murder first and ask questions later?"

      If they're an armed belligerent in Occupied Territories Max they are not permitted a concealed carry link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      "The Jordanian occupation was illegal"

      Strange. Israel signed the Armistice AGREEMENT!

      "and their renaming means nothing under international law"

      Max you and your kind don't believe in International Law.

      Hey Max, answer this one: Why are you and your criminal kind so F'n stupid?

    • @ MaxNarr April 10, 2016, 11:01 pm

      "Actually pjdude “West Bank” is a very recent and made up nomenclature"

      So what Max. It was officially renamed the West Bank by the sovereign at the time, Jordan

      "it’s been Judea and Samaria for thousands of years and this it will remain"

      Catch up Max, it was changed to the West Bank in 1950. It has never been officially reverted to Judea and Samaria

    • @ MaxNarr April 10, 2016, 7:03 pm

      "according to this website it’s perfectly fine to murder settlers ..."

      Evidence ... thx ... Remember an accusation is not evidence and a false accusation is against the basic tenets of Judaism. You wouldn't make a false accusation would you Ma!?

      " ... according to this website it’s perfectly fine to murder ... officers"

      Armed Israelis are valid military targets in Occupied Territories. But you know this already Max. So why do you need to disregard the fact and falsely call it 'murder'?

      " ... in Judea and Samaria"

      Judea and Samaria were officially re-name the West Bank by the sovereign at the time, Jordan. The present sovereign has not changed it back. It's called the West Bank Max

      " but when the attempted murderer is killed, THIS is what you take offense with?"

      A) not a murderer, armed Israelis in Occupied Territories are valid military targets Max. Targeting them is neither murder or terrorism Max
      B) no, it's not what folk tale offense with at all Max, because they were not attempting murder. Armed Israelis in Occupied Territories are valid military targets Max

      "ANY terrorist that attacks any Jew in Judea and Samaria will die"

      Fine. However, armed Israelis in Occupied Territories are a valid military target Max. It's not terrorism to attack armed Israelis in Occupied Territories

      "Here is a great lesson, if you don’t want to be “executed” then don’t try to murder Jews in Judea and Samaria.

      Here is a great lesson Max, armed Israelis in Occupied Territories are a valid military target and it was officially renamed the west Bank by the sovereign at the time Max.

      "They time is OVER when Jewish blood is cheap"

      Go take your pathetic whining to the Israeli Government, the Zionist Federation and the Jewish Agency who keep sacrificing the blood of Jewish Israeli civilians by encouraging and assisting them to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli Occupation Max.

      Why is it that you must purposefully misrepresent Israel's illegal facts on the ground, purposefully accuse people of terrorism and murder when in fact armed Israelis in non-Israeli territories held under Israeli occupation are valid military targets and why must you purposefully conflate 'Jews' with Israelis Max? Are you sick?

    • @ DaBakr

      Swathes of irrelevant drivel is so cute.

      According to the UNSC link to wp.me Israel is in breach of International Law, the UN Charter and relative conventions and thus its own Declaration of statehood link to pages.citebite.com

      BTW whatever remained of the State of Palestine, (see Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine link to avalon.law.yale.edu ) after Israel proclaimed its borders in its plea for recognition link to trumanlibrary.org is in fact occupied link to wp.me

  • Zionism is not really secular
    • @ JLewisDickerson

      The Zionist Movement, the Jewish Agency and the Jewish People's Council went far far beyond the notion of self determination, where the legitimate citizens of a territory would determine their status and the fate of their territory.

      Israel was declared on behalf of Jews regardless of which country they held citizenship.

  • Attachment to Israel is 'central part of Jewish identity,' Forward editor says
    • Anti-Zionism = Anti-semitism.

      And if it is? It doesn't justify any of Israel's crimes against the Palestinians. Doesn't justify the illegal settlements, doesn't justify the occupation, doesn't justify illegal annexation, doesn't justify Israel starting its wars or invading all its neighbours, in fact it doesn't justify ANYTHING Israel does that's against the International Law, the UN Charter or the basic common sense tenets of Judaism. Doesn't justify the slaughter of innocents, theft of land/territory. Doesn't justify the Israeli Government lying to Israelis about the Nakba, Jewish terrorism or the non-existent right to settle in non-Israeli territories. Doesn't justify the JNF lying about buying the territory of the State of Israel. Doesn't justify the purposeful smearing and false accusations against honest critics of Israel's illegal expansionism.

  • Here are 6 incidents of Islamophobia on campus in the last week
    • @ JustJessetr

      Target the messenger. How cute

      "Islamophobic sentiment on campus wouldn’t surprise me, but most of these examples (at least from the brief descriptions here) don’t lead me to believe they are indicative of such. "

      So what are they indicative of? Take your time ... link to talknic.files.wordpress.com

  • Pulitzer winners Junot Díaz, Richard Ford, Alice Walker join over 100 writers in calling for PEN American Center to reject Israeli sponsorship
    • @ MaxNarr "I am so glad I ripped my copy of “The Color Purple” o..."

      Why did you buy a "garbage' book by an "antisemitic' author Max?

      BTW what is actually garbage about the book and what is actually antisemitic about the author?

      No hurry Max, I'll wait for an honest reply ... link to talknic.files.wordpress.com

  • Shocker: 'NYT' forum on anti-Zionism tilts toward equating Zionism with racism
    • Oooops mixed up the surgeon with the teacher. Apologies

    • @ Jon66 "The PLO, on behalf of the Palestinians, said, “The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. ”

      So, the Israelis and Palestinians both think Israel has a right to exist, but you insist that they don’t have the ability to assert that right."

      1) A blatantly false accusation against me. How interesting. Trying to show readers how f&cked up you are?

      2) You originally wrote this "The Palestinians through their “sole and legitimate representatives” have recognized Israel’s right to exist. " (it's still there Jon66 - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net ) Now you've changed it to “The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. ”

      Why is it you and your kind need to continually lie, fabricate, alter what was said?

      All states have a legal obligation to have

      "respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" link to wp.me

      "I have no idea what this has to do with expansionism"

      Israel has for 67 years been claiming territories outside of its proclaimed and recognized borders and you, a history teacher are ignorant of the fact? WOW! Isn't it a teacher's duty to at least try to first educate themselves? link to wp.me

      "It’s really straightforward and there is no lying involved"

      You cherry picked and made a claim that isn't true. It's called LYING!

    • @ Jon66 April 5, 2016, 11:31 am

      "Where is Israel’s right to exist?"

      State don't have a right to exist. People have the right to determine their state. It's called self determination.

      Israel was such a case proclaimed " as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947," link to trumanlibrary.org

      No territory outside of that boundary was or has ever been officially recognized as Israeli and by default what remained of State of Palestine Palestine. Put simply , if it was the territory of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or, Egypt or Israel, it was Palestinian!

      Once a state does exist, Palestine existed in 1922 (see the LoN Mandate Article 7), other states have a legal obligation to have " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force" link to wp.me

      " It is in the agreements signed by the Representative of the Palestinian people for example"

      No it isn't buddy. It's in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel and the Israeli Government's subsequent plea for recognition

      ""I said, “The Palestinians through their “sole and legitimate representatives” have recognized Israel’s right to exist."

      Indeed you did. But like any pukemeister for Israel's illegal expansionism, you had to cherry pick. IOW you LIED! Why?

      Lying and bearing false witness is against the basic common sense tenets of Judaism. Ignoring the basic tenets on behalf of the 'Jewish' state is quite simply bizarre

    • @ echinococcus April 5, 2016, 4:04 am

      " Phil was absolutely right when he said

      the conflict won’t end until American Jews sign up to the statement, “Zionism is racism” "

      You're fooling yourself. Racist, bigoted, illegal, evil, the Zionist Federation's colonization of Palestine pyramid scheme hasn't got a conscience. It only has an appetite for its lifeblood without which it will fail. More and more land to sell to willing or gullible Jews, so more and more settlements and relevant infrastructure contracts can be issued, so more taxes can be collected for more and more security to protect the 'investment'

    • @ Jon66 April 5, 2016, 8:27 am

      "The Palestinians through their “sole and legitimate representatives” have recognized Israel’s right to exist"

      Uh huh. Let's see

      September 9, 1993

      Yitzhak Rabin
      Prime Minister of Israel

      Mr. Prime Minister,

      The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

      The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security"

      Seems you missed a bit.

      All states are obliged to have " respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force"

      Israel has disrespected and invaded ALL of its neighbours within their recognized boundaries. None have invaded any recognized Israeli territory. All of Israel's wars have been fought in territories outside the state of Israel.

  • Video: Israel demolishes every home in West Bank Bedouin village
    • @ MaxNarr April 4, 2016, 2:22 pm

      "Let’s be clear, every home in Kfar Darom was destroyed ..." ... by the Israeli Government

      Let's be clear, they were illegally built in non-Israeli territory

      "... no one on this website batted an eye"

      Go whine to the people responsible for A) building the illegal settlement and B) encouraging Israeli Jews to break International Law

      " Who will help to rebuild Homesh?"

      Only a complete f*ckwit would want to re-commit a crime and only a completely ignorant rrrrrsol would suggest it

  • Execution of Palestinian exposes militarism and racism of Israeli culture
    • @ MaxNarr

      " I’m on a plane right now"

      Why would anyone in their right mind believe anything you say?

      " but please bookmark this legal argument where you build up your case that Jordanian occupation and annexation of Judea and Samaria was legal"

      I gave it.

      "I am going to relish check mating you on this one"

      Sure you are Max, sure you are

    • @ Sibiriak " I must point out that the relative pronoun “that” is perfectly normal and acceptable with human antecedents, and in some cases actually preferred"

      I was taught in Australia in the 50's The lesson posed a question;
      Which is correct? "the boy that sat in the rickety chair who broke was injured " or "the boy who sat in the rickety chair that broke was injured"?

    • @ MaxNarr April 4, 2016, 9:53 pm

      "Illegal occupation of Jewish land by Jordan. "

      You're so stupid you don't even know what an AGREEMENT is? WOW, surely not Max!

      Israel signed an Armistice AGREEMENT with Jordan, leaving Jordan as the Occupying Power over Judea and Samaria.

      Furthermore, Jordan legally annexed at the request of the Palestinians. The annexation was as a trustee only (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) at the demand of the other Arab states per the UN Charter Chapt XI

      Which is why, unlike the UNSC condemnation of Israel's illegal unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, there are no UNSC resolutions condemning the legal, bilateral Jordanian annexation of the territory.

      "before Judea and Samaria was liberated by Israel."

      More Ziopoop. It was never Israel's to liberate. Israel proclaimed its borders in the official Israeli Government's plea for recognition. link to trumanlibrary.org

      No state has ever recognized any further territories as Israeli

      In 1967 West Bank was a part of the sovereign territory of Jordan and as such was a part of a High Contracting Power and a UN Member State. Which is why the UNSC in condemning Israel's illegal action in non-Israeli territories, tells us GC IV applies link to wp.me

      Go wade around in your bullsh*te somewhere else Max, you're over your head in it and making an idiot of yourself here

    • @ MaxNarr April 4, 2016, 2:25 pm

      "I guess this article fails to point out this man attacked a soldier with a knife"

      Evidence? None has actually been presented

      " the posters on here believe that it is fair game to attack and kill IDF soldiers in Judea and Samaria. "

      Armed Israeli soldiers in non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation are legitimate military targets. BTW the area was officially renamed 'the West Bank' when it was under the official sovereignty of Jordan

      " ... why in the world is it wrong to shoot in the face a man that just stabbed a soldier? "

      Problem, he was dis-armed, wounded, neutralized. It's illegal under International Law to slaughter a dis-armed, wounded, neutralized person.

      BTW it's 'who' not "that". Dehumanizing humans is so Naziesque

      " It’s not like the Palestinian terrorists are trying to nuetralize soldiers ... by non lethal means. No they are committing murder against Jews"

      Armed Israeli soldiers in non-Israeli territory under Israeli occupation are legitimate military targets

      Thanks again Max, for showing readers how supporters of illegal Israeli expansionism need to twist the facts. You're doing a great job

  • 'Zionism is nationalism, not Judaism,' a former Hebrew school teacher explains
    • @ hophmi April 4, 2016, 11:47 am

      "When are you going to highlight someone in the BDS movement who is willing to take on the antisemitism in the BDS movement"

      When you show evidence there is any actual antisemitism in asking that Israel adhere to its legal obligations to International Law and the UN Charter

      " ... or who supports a two-state solution? "

      Were Israel to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter it would by default result in two states

      " I bet they’ve never heard from pro-BDS anti-Zionist Jews before"

      Ziodrivel is so cute

  • Sanders is in Jewish tradition that rejected exceptionalist nationalism of Zionism
  • As NY primary approaches, Clinton and Sanders separate, somewhat, on Israel
  • Refugee in Gaza thought life was terrific until Facebook incited him
    • @ Jon66 April 4, 2016, 8:32 am

      "The piece is fiction. It’s not real"

      Its truths are very real and you're unable to refute them. In fact, you haven't even tried

      "If you are looking for more “truths” you should try The Onion. I believe it’s filled will them"

      = more Ziodrivel

    • @ Jon66 April 3, 2016, 12:40 am

      "... before he starts linking to this post or Swift’s ‘A Modest Proposal’ as evidence of colonial atrocities"

      Typical irrelevant and completely baseless Zioblabber

      There's something quite sick in the mind of anyone who sees a satirical description of Israel's occupation and complete control of Palestinian territorial waters and how one might be awakened to that abnormality thru becoming aware of how other folk live in freedom, as an April Fool's day 'joke'.

      Satire is not a laughing matter.

      " This post was funny"

      I'm sure it was to any brainwashed idiot who supports Israel's ongoing ILLEGAL colonization of Palestine and the suppression of the Palestinian population. However, it contains truths you're un-able to address let alone refute

    • Jon66 April 2, 2016, 12:20 pm = another failure to explain how the subject of the story is not real, that is non-factual. All you have is an accusation. An accusation is not evidence.

      "It was posted April 1 which is April Fools Day"

      Of course. Anything posted on April 1st is an April Fools joke. Best tell the stock exchange, treasury, et al

    • @ Jon66 April 2, 2016, 9:42 am = typical non-answer from a typical Ziotroll

      thanks again for displaying why supporters of illegal Israeli expansionism cannot be trusted. You guys never miss an opportunity to screw up

    • Care to explain how it’s an April Fools joke Jon66. A joke is usually played on someone and is usually non-factual

  • Israeli army stations dedicated PR officer at site of Hebron execution
    • @ MaxNarr April 1, 2016, 3:10 pm

      Max does another great job of showing genuinely concerned readers the despicable types attracted to supporting illegal Israeli expansionism

      "(1920’s Hebron Jewish homes anyone?) "

      Still going on is it? Israel's destruction of non-Jewish homes has been continual for over 67 years

    • yonah fredman

      "Would it shorten the path if you joined hamas or cheered violence? Is that the struggle? Maybe shutting your ears to the narrative of the enemy, maybe that’s the key. Or injecting a little more David duke and a little less Norman finkelstein, maybe that’s the ticket?"

      How about the bl**dy obvious instead of more inane, irrelevant Ziodrivel. There is nothing stopping nor are there any moral, ethical, legal or logical reasons why Israel should not simply withdraw from all non-Israeli territories as required by International Law. It's never been tried

      If you really cared you'd be pitching for Israel to do the right thing

  • 'Life in the camp is tough, but at least the war is far': Palestinians flee Syria for Shatila refugee camp
    • @ Jon66 "I don’t deny that Israel has not always lived up to its ideals"

      Indeed. No Government has ever been legally elected in Israel under the obligatory constitution. The Zionist Movement's state has robbed Israelis of that right

    • @ Jon66 "I was waiting to see if the usual suspects who attack Israel for worrying about ‘demography’ thought this was OK.
      “The denial of such basic civil rights is linked to the fear that the largely Sunni Muslim population would affect the sectarian balance of the country, which is enshrined in the constitution"

      Uh? The two are unrelated. A) Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are not from Lebanon. B) Civil rights for a refugee are not the same as awarding citizenship

      Meanwhile, non-Jewish Israeli citizens who're refused RoR by Israel citing concerns of a now non-existent, mythical, demographic threat were from Israel.

      Simple maths tells us that Jewish Israelis now outstrip by far any possibility of a demographic threat from the non-Jewish Israelis of 1948 and their lineal descendants returning to Israel. With the influx of Jewish folk into Israel from the Arab states and elsewhere, the fear mongering "demographic threat' was in fact non-existent by 1953

      The majority of Palestinian refugees today BTW do not have the right to return to Israel, they have a right to return to whatever remained of Palestine after Israel proclaimed its borders in its plea for recognition.

      "Palestinians in Lebanon have no automatic right to work, to social security, to joining a union and no right to possess of land or property. Furthermore, if a Lebanese woman weds a Palestinian, their children will be a second-class citizens, because they will not join her nationality"

      Same for refugees in Australia, the US, UK, in fact almost anywhere.

      You score no points pal

      Say why don't you try the UNRWA definition of a refugee and make an even bigger idiot of yourself?

      For interested readers: The UNRWA definition only relates to who qualifies for assistance while they are refugees, has no bearing on final status link to unrwa.org

      Finally, the UNRWA definition was adopted in nineteenFOURTY NINE a full 12 months AFTER UNGA res 194 was adopted in nineteenFOURTY EIGHT. Zionincompoops seem to have no idea of chronological order, simple maths or simple logic

  • National Lawyers Guild and human rights activists call for IRS investigation into charity status of Jewish National Fund
  • 'We don’t want to find ourselves in a position like apartheid South Africa': A report from Israel's first national conference against BDS
    • @ Talkback "Hophmi is. To him a life without being able to treat Nonjews like subhuman is not worth living

      There are plenty of other coat tails for pathetic, serial abusing, safe behind a keyboard, Internet trolls to latch onto. Anything to keep the bile flowing

    • @ Mayhem "Coming from the likes of self-hating Jew Lowenstein..."

      Ah yes, wanting the State of Israel to adhere to the law = self hating Jew. I understand now. Thanks for that

      " With anti-BDS legislation firing up right round the world the BDS movement is in deep crisis and it is common sense for Israel’s advocates to go all out to destroy the BDS movement."

      A contradictory statement if ever there was one..

      "Despite the claims here that BDS is hurting Israel and is on the ascendancy the facts of the matter are that BDS has failed miserably with its anti-semitic rhetoric"

      WOW! I understand even more now. Wanting Israel to adhere to the law is anti-semitic. Thanks for explaining

      BTW if BDS has failed, why would Israel’s advocates have a need to go all out to destroy BDS?

      You need a better script writer pal.

    • A bunch of ignorants or liars get together to pass on their ignorance or lie to each other completely ignoring the fact that for 67 years the State of Israel has been waging war in and over territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948, were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to unispal.un.org

      What can we learn from their bullsh*te? Brainwashing definitely works!

  • A 'longtime activist for social justice,' Booker worries his anti-BDS stance will 'rankle' and 'upset' people
    • Jon66 April 1, 2016, 6:56 am

      "Of course states have people in them"

      That's not what was said or inferred.

      No people, no state. The people come first, they declare the state. Thereafter the state exists until the people decide it doesn't. It's called self determination, denied the Palestinians by the Israeli occupation of non-Israeli territories for 67 years

    • @ Jon66 "I guess I should have been more specific. I meant natural person not juridical person"

      This what you wrote and what was challenged. "Sovereign states are not people … "

      Without people a state simply doesn't exist link to cfr.org

    • @ Jon66

      "You know that the word person has a different meaning when applied to corporations or states than actual humans(although the U.S. Supreme Court is closer to you on this one)"

      Rubbish. The state is representative of all its people. A state is sanctioned as a single person representing all its people. Corporations are fined as a single person who represents all the share holders.

      "Analogy between actual humans and countries usually do not work because states are granted powers humans are not"

      That's why states, representing all their people, are sanctioned as a single person.

      "I can’t tax my neighbor and throw him in my basement prison for refusing to pay"

      Correct. The state, representing you and all its citizens can.

      "If anyone, I know you did not, has counseled or treated actual human rape victims they wouldn’t use it as an analogy"

      A) You have no idea who I have counseled or for what B) It's irrelevant to the point and C) an expected and typical slimy tactic used by Zionist puke mongers

    • Jon66

      "People- human beings"

      WOW! How profound. Think of that yourself?

      Meanwhile, under International Law, which BTW Israel swore to uphold, a sovereign state is a person. "Sovereign states" are persons. Persons are people.

    • @ echinococcus

      I’d support an Israel adhering to International Law, UN charter and relevant conventions, under which, in theory there'd be equality, freedom of religion, no land theft, no dispossession, no war, none of the essentials for Zionism to exist. States can live side by side in peace

    • @ Jon66 March 30, 2016, 12:15 pm

      " Sovereign states are not people ... "

      ARTICLE 1

      The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

      ARTICLE 2

      The federal state shall constitute a sole person in the eyes of international law.

      link to cfr.org

    • @ Jon66 "If someone supports Israel, the pro-pal community assumes they are either venal, evil, or stupid"

      Bullsh*t! I'd support an Israel adhering to International Law, UN charter and relevant conventions. Living within its self proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders, completely OUT of all non-Israeli territory, not occupying anyone on transparently nonsense justifications. I've yet to see it.

      I support Palestinian statehood in the default areas not proclaimed as Israeli, not recognized as Israeli, free of Israeli occupation, slaughter and theft

      You and your stupid, thieving, bullsh*t for Israel muckrakers, support an Israel in breach of International Law, UN charter and relevant conventions. You ARE venal, evil and incredibly stupid

  • Hebron settlers file complaint against Palestinian who filmed execution
  • Jewish settlers threaten life of Palestinian who shot video of execution
    • @ Mayhem March 29, 2016, 4:22 am

      = NOT answering a reasonably put question

      " In typical fashion you blurt out abuse "

      There's nothing abusive in pointing out your refusal to answer a question.

    • @ Jon66 " A reservist who is armed or a settler who is armed but who is not directly involved in hostilities ais not a legitimate target"

      Try something else Jon66. Do you carry a scalpel with you without intention to use it

      A requirement of the Laws of War is to lay down ones arms

      SECTION II
      HOSTILITIES
      CHAPTER I
      Means of Injuring the Enemy,
      Sieges, and bombardments
      Art. 22.

      The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited.
      Art. 23.

      In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden -

      To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms ... link to avalon.law.yale.edu

    • @ Jon66

      "The Armistice agreement has been supplanted by the Oslo Accords. The Armistice is no longer in effect."

      Strange. So the Green Line doesn't exist. Interesting theory

      The Oslo accords meanwhile had a limited lifetime, long gone

      UN resolutions since still reference the 'Green Line'. Maybe you should take your pathetic theories to the Israeli Government who itself cites the Green Line

      "The prohibition of transferring population does not mean that no civilians of the Occupying power may enter the occupied territory."

      Please read the documents cited and stop making a fool of yourself

      "Other than your particular take on the interpretation of these documents does anyone else support your claims?"

      The UNSC. The ICJ. International Red Cross and every UN resolution re-affirming and emphasizing relevant International Law (all law is binding), the UN Charter (binding on all members in its entirety) and and relevant GC's (having passed into Customary International Law binding on all UN Members )

      "The definition of belligerents defines who is a lawful combatant. It does not mean nor does it say that anyone who owns a weapon is a combatant."

      Weasel worded bullsh*t is still bullsh*t pal. Ownership of a weapon isn't in question. Being armed is. IDF soldiers do not own the weapons they use.

      Keep weaseling your credibility away

    • @ Jon66

      Under International Law Civilians of the Occupying Power are NOT even permitted to be in Occupied Territories.

      "Do you have a source for this claim? You perpetually refer to UN resolutions about the violations of the Occupying forces such as settlements, etc. However, do you have a source that says an occupying power cannot have civilians be present in occupied territory

      Thanks again for yet another opportunity to show earnest readers just how stupid and pathetic you and your kind are.

      The Armistice Agreements. I know it's foreign to time wasting nonsense posting Zionist propagandists, but they're called agreements because all the parties agreed

      Article IV

      3. Rules and regulations of the armed forces of the Parties, which prohibit civilians from crossing the fighting lines or entering the area between the lines, shall remain in effect after the signing of this Agreement with application to the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI. link to unispal.un.org

      The International Red Cross

      ... Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited

      link to icrc.org

      UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of its legal obligations under the binding International Laws, the UN Charter (binding in its entirety) and binding Geneva Conventions reaffirmed and emphasized in those resolutions

      465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 476 June 30 1980 and 478 August 20 1980.

      None of which have anything to do with race or religion. They’re based on the UN Charter, International Law and the GC’s, all of which Israel obliged itself to uphold. Alas it hasn’t

      B) If they’re an armed citizen of the Occupying Power in Occupied Territories, they are by definition of the Laws of War, a belligerent

      "Other than your own opinion/interpretation do you have a source to back this up?

      The Laws of War

      Annex to the Convention
      REGULATIONS RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS
      OF WAR ON LAND
      SECTION I
      ON BELLIGERENTS
      CHAPTER I
      The Qualifications of Belligerents
      Article 1.

      The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:

      To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

      To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

      To carry arms openly; and

      To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

      In countries where militia or volunteer corps constitute the army, or form part of it, they are included under the denomination "army."
      Art. 2.

      The inhabitants of a territory which has not been occupied, who, on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading troops without having had time to organize themselves in accordance with Article 1, shall be regarded as belligerents if they carry arms openly and if they respect the laws and customs of war. link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      " Everything I have read/presented disagrees with you"

      Twaddle. You keep altering what I've said in order to try to make a point. IOW you are a blatant liar!

    • Hey! Mayhem? You there?

      At which point on the video did he move and at which point on the video did they yell?

      -----

      Mayhem demonstrates again the dishonesty one can expect of an apologist for Israel's illegal expansionist policies

    • Jon66 "Your link says nothing about Occupying civilians entering Occupied territories"

      I know your job here is to waste everyone's time. But all you actually do is afford opportunity after opportunity to inform interested readers with links to irrefutable documents showing that you're gushing putrid Ziosh*t

      Read the documents referred to in UNSC res 476. One of which is UNSC res 465 etc. Res 465 tells us

      5. Determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;

      6. Strongly deplores the continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices and calls upon the Government and people of Israel to rescind those measures, to dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;

      7. Calls upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connexion with settlements in the occupied territories; link to unispal.un.org

      "In fact, it is the duty of the Occupying power according to Article 43, “to re-establish and insure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.” It would be impossible to do this without a physical presence of the occupying forces"

      Did you have a point other than wasting time? Because you haven't contradicted anything I've ever written

      "Actually, according to GC protocol I, article 50,” In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian. “"

      A) Israel ISN'T a signatory to GC protocol I.
      B) If they're an armed citizen of the Occupying Power in Occupied Territories, they are by definition of the Laws of War, a belligerent

    • @ Jon66 "Unless a civilian is actively taking part of hostilities they are not a legitimate target"

      Why carry arms if not engaged in hostilities? To look pretty?

      "Secondly, nothing bars citizens from the Occupying army from entering territory."

      GC IV tells us you're full of Ziopoop link to unispal.un.org

      "Do you have a source that specifies that Israeli settlers not actively engaged in hostilities are legitimate targets?"

      I should supply a source for something I didn't claim?

      Why are you so dishonest?

      Do you have a source that specifies that NO Israelis are not allowed to be present in the occupied territories?

      Again, why should I provide a source for your deceitfully written questions?

      All you're showing is that YOU cannot be trusted

    • Mayhem? You there?

      At which point on the video did he move and at which point on the video did they yell?

    • @ Talkback "The question is not, if a civilian is carrying arms. The question is, if he’s taking an ACTIVE part in hostilities. If he doesn’t, he’s NOT a legitimate target"

      Carrying arms is a threat to use them, AKA taking part in hostilities, because there's no point in carrying arms unless you ARE gonna use 'em

    • @ Mayhem "This paramedic said that the soldiers and emergency personnel began to yell that the terrorist is still moving, and they think he has a bomb on him"

      At which point on the video did he move and at which point on the video did they yell?

      "The eye- and earwitness said he heard it with his own ears, and that if the B’tselem video had an audio recording (conveniently for propagandists never interested in the facts it did not) it would confirm that this is what happened

      Oh you poor poor chap. You're so f*cking stupid you can't turn on the sound on a Youtube video. How embarrassing for you

    • @ Jon66 digs a deeper hole ...

      "Possessing a pen knife does make you an armed combatant and a legitimate target if you are not taking part of hostilities"

      Care to rewrite that

      "Army reservists who are not on active duty are civilians and entitled to the protections that civilians enjoy under the laws of war, which are applicable in the occupied West Bank, Human Rights Watch said.”

      What I've written is still there. It refers to people who ARE carrying arms and who ARE part of Israel's defense.

      " Civilians if allowed by law, can carry weapons in many locations "

      Under International Law Civilians of the Occupying Power are NOT even permitted to be in Occupied Territories. If they are and they're carrying arms, they're a valid military target

    • @ Jon66

      talknic - "Those Jews, being Israelis were not supposed to be there and if armed ... " - link to mondoweiss.net"

      "From Human Right Watch, “International humanitarian law makes clear, however, that reserve or off-duty soldiers who are not at that moment subject to the integrated disciplinary command of the armed forces are considered civilians until the time that they become subject to military command-meaning, until they are effectively incorporated into the armed forces. Their incorporation into the regular armed forces is most frequently signified by wearing a uniform or other identifiable insignia.” "

      Try something else Jon66. I didn't mention reservists or off duty soldiers. Anyone carrying arms is a valid military target. We can see this by who is not allowed to be targeted. Equally applicable to the un-armed and obviously neutralized Palestinian who was murdered BTW

      SECTION II
      HOSTILITIES
      CHAPTER I
      Means of Injuring the Enemy,
      Sieges, and bombardments
      Art. 22.

      The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited.

      Art. 23.

      To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion; link to avalon.law.yale.edu

      "Israeli civilians living in the settlements, so long as they do not take up arms and take an active part in hostilities, are noncombatants.
      Do you have a source that specifies that Israeli settlers specifically are considered legitimate targets?"

      You poor poor utterly stupid person, why would I have a source for something I didn't claim?

      My claim is still there. It still says "if armed". You needed to change what was said to try to make a point Jon66. Why?

      All you've done is show folk how despicable and deceitful you are!

      ----------------

      Why is it that illegal Israeli expansionism attracts people who seem to despise the basic common sense tenets of Judaism?

    • Herchel " It’s a perfect match with the map of where murderous palestinians killed or tried to kill Jews"

      Those Jews, being Israelis were not supposed to be there and if armed, even with a pen knife or considered to be a part of Israeli defense by the Israeli Government, were legitimate military targets

      Go whine to the stupid Zionist Federation and the ridiculous Israeli Government for encouraging Israeli Jews to endanger themselves.

  • Finding 1 'Arab' in Israeli basketball, NY Times espouses Zionist racial theory
    • jon s "much as the history is important to me, it’s futile and counter-productive to focus on it"

      Nonsense. Israel proclaimed its borders and was admitted into the UN and subsequent UNSC resolutions are based on that historical fact.

      "There are 8 million Israelis, many of them second, third and fourth generation, who certainly are not “invaders” by any standard "

      The UNSC and the IJC disagree. Israelis are prohibited from settling in territories occupied by Israel.

      "... and not going to go away, and neither are the Palestinians"

      The Palestinians have a legal right to stay in their own territory, Israelis do not have a right to stay in non-Israeli territories belonging to Palestine

      "The vital question is the present and the future: more violence and bloodshed or a different path for both peoples?"

      There is no moral, ethical, legal or actual practical for Israel to be occupying or illegally settling its citizens in non-Israeli territories. Israel can withdraw from all non Israeli territories. It is required by law and has never been tried

    • @ jon s "Jews are not illegal invaders in their historic homeland"

      Israeli Jews are illegal invaders in territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine" link to unispal.un.org

      As for the historical Jewish People's homeland, take your pathetic Zionist whining to the Zionist Movement and the Jewish People's Council for having proclaimed Israel as "an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947

  • Young liberal Zionists, it's time to let go and move on
    • Steve Grover "Maybe those Brits could’ve lifted the quotas against Jews going into British Mandate Palestine?"

      Why? The Zionist Federation agreed to the quotas. Go bitch to the people responsible for deciding to colonize Palestine

      "Israel won’t fade away!"

      It's already rotting from the inside pal and you're helping it

  • Israelis don't exist
    • @ Talkback

      Simply pointing out what it says

    • @ Rafi "Are u going to write about the citizenships\nationals\CULTURE\rights nexus of arabs and non arabs in 20+ arab countries? "

      Uh? Oh!! I understand. Writing about other un-related citizenships\nationals\CULTURE\rights in 20+ arab countries, will somehow resolve the incongruities presented by the Zionist Movement's Jewish State in its convoluted attempts to avoid fully implementing the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel

      "The jewish people are a nation, despite attempts to wipe us out near and far, mayb bcause of them. Self determination means never to ask validation from your enemies, foreign, domestic, and latter that became former"

      The Zionist Movement, Jewish Agency, Jewish People's Council and provisional Israeli Government already self determined Israel "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" link to trumanlibrary.org

      It's very simple. No territories outside of Israel's self determined and Internationally recognized borders are Israeli and no further territories have ever been recognized as Israeli because it has been illegal to acquire territories by war since at least 1945 under the UN Charter

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