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talknic

An old Jewish guy in Oz. Tired of the fallacies surrounding the I/P issue We were given the territory for a homeland state, with more than enough room for every Jewish person on the planet, even today Since proclaiming its frontiers in the May 15th 1948 in the Israeli Government plea for international recognition, Israel has illegally acquired by force and occupied more and more territory outside of it's proclaimed and recognized Sovereign territory. None of which has ever been legally ceded to or legally annexed to Israel by any agreement or legal instrument The occupied have a right to violent resistance against armed citizens of the Occupying Power. However, no one has a right or excuse for committing acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. To that end: I condemn all forms of terrorism, murder and any other harmful crime by any individual, group, organization or state and; condemn any government, individual or organization who purposefully encourages the illegally settlement of territories held under occupation thereby purposefully endangering its own citizens by using them to create illegal facts on the ground Today the State of Israel continues to encourage Israeli civilians to create illegal settlements, illegal facts on the ground, breaking law that was adopted by the UN and International Comity in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. Law adopted to protect all civilians including those of an Occupying Power from the expected violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory Israel demands the swap of non-Israeli territory for non-Israeli territory so it can keep non-Israeli territory in a future settlement. There is no legal basis for the demand nor is there for the disarmament of a future Palestinian state. All states have equal right to self defense. Likewise, there is no legal basis for the demand to be recognized as the Jewish state. Israeli demands have no legal precedence or validity The Palestinians have no legal, moral or ethical obligation to forgo any of their legal rights. Negotiations mean only one thing, the Palestinians forgoing legal rights so Israel can benefit Were Israel to adhere to the law, it can easily protect itself, grow and prosper. It'd have no UN resolutions against it. No need to continuing to corrupt US politicians in order to maintain a UNSC veto vote. No need to lie to and endanger its citizens I've received too many threats for opposing Israel's policies towards the Palestinians, broken windows, graffiti'd walls, hate mail, I'd prefer to remain anonymous, if that's OK. Who I am is irrelevant. Reliable information is essential to informed dialogue towards resolving the I/P issue. Propaganda has no place in struggle for peace

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  • Land Grab: Israeli Knesset passes law legalizing expropriation of privately-owned Palestinian land
    • A ZioIdiot shows us how they deserve that epithet

      @ Jackdaw February 9, 2017, 3:37 am

      //“It’s called NORMAL relations between warring entities you stupid stupid person.”//

      "No. The law is a holdover from the illegal Jordanian occupation,"

      How odd. A) Israel signed and Armistice AGREEMENT, leaving Jordan in control of what was officially renamed the West Bank.

      B) According to your stupid assertion Israel's Occupation of non-Israeli territories under the same Armistice AGREEMENT must also have been illegal

      C) Your giving an example of a state Israel IS NOT at war with is sooooo funny (all ZioLogic is )

      D) The law is still in force because Israel is still at war with Lebanon, Syria and Palestine

      "Israel and Jordan have since signed a peace treaty, and Israel and the PA have signed the Oslo Agreement. The PA and Israel regularly cooperate in matters of security, water, electricity, taxes, etc."

      Amazing. And withdrawal from Egypt's territories resulted in Peace with Egypt and Israel (per UNSC 242)

      Now about Palestinian , Syrian, Lebanese territories Israel currently occupies.

      "And the sentence for selling land to an Israeli (Jew and Arab?), is death. "

      'Jew and Arab?' I gave you the law verbatim. "Israeli"

      "And the sentence for selling land to an Israeli ... is death"

      See even you write "Israeli" . And yes, I did give a link to penalties for treason by countries.

      BTW how often has it been carried out in Palestine? Unlike Israel for whom assassination of non-Jews without trial is almost an everyday occurrence

      Finally WTF has it to do with Israel's ILLEGAL acquisition of non-Israeli territories?

    • @ mcohen. February 8, 2017, 6:10 am

      "israelis are refugees"

      If they're Israelis living in Israel, they have a state and they're living in it. In which case they're NOT refugees

      The only Israeli refugees are non-Jewish Israeli citizens currently dispossessed by Israel's refusal to recognize RoR

    • @ Jackdaw February 8, 2017, 10:26 am

      " ... And what do you call it when the Palestine Authority forbids Arab citizens from selling their privately owned land to Jews?

      It doesn't. This is what the lPA actually stated sale " to any man or judicial body corporation of Israeli citizenship, living in Israel or acting on its behalf."

      "That’s called…what?"

      It's called NORMAL relations between warring entities you stupid stupid person.

      "And while we’re on the subject ..."

      Going for seconds based on a lie isn't wise. It is however Ziotypical

      "... what is the penalty an Arab will suffer if he violates PA law and sells his land to a Jew?"

      It's not the PA law. To an Israeli however, it's considered treason. Quite NORMAL when entities are at war.

      Penalties vary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_for_treason_by_country

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Tobianski

    • @ catalan February 8, 2017, 5:26 pm

      "I can choose to become Christian now but I cannot change who I was when I was born – i.e. a Sephardic Jew. "

      By bloodline. The common gene pool would show, often resulting in certain physical attributes and unfortunately, diseases

      " ... We all have control on what we can become – a French person can become German, he can “choose” to be German; but he would still have been born French."

      There is no 'French' bloodline. No common gene pool. Your analogy simply doesn't make sense

      "All modern states are the result of violence. The state of Israel is not an exception, of course. "

      Uh huh. However, the violence continues in Israeli occupied territories long after Israel's borders were proclaimed effective, recognized and after becoming a UN Member State. The violence is a result of the state. Precisely as planned
      3 Jun 1948 in the Knesset

      Report to the Provisional Government of Israel by Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Ben-Gurion 3 Jun 1948
      "The entire expanse of the State of Israel allocated to us under the terms of the UN resolution is in our hands, and we have conquered several important districts outside those boundaries"
      ... ...
      "To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State"

      "I actually do not believe anyone is “entitled” to anything because I am not sure if there is supreme being to entitle us, and if there is, I doubt he would bother to “entitle” us to anything"

      I guess there's no point in unjustifiably defending those who do

    • @ catalan February 7, 2017, 9:20 pm

      "The morality of war is different – you seek to hurt your enemy."

      While stealing their territory. How to make peace by Zioidiots Inc

  • Israeli supermarket chain glorifies army killer on grocery bag
  • 'Israel receives more US military aid than every other country in the world combined' -- New York Times reveals
    • @ DaBakr February 5, 2017, 9:02 pm

      "what a joke. how long have israel-haters, anti-zionists jew-haters and critics of israel ..."

      Uh huh. Yaakov Katz, Amir Bohbot and Rosa Brooks are israel-haters, anti-zionists jew-haters. Best you contact the NY Times

      " ... the only people not satisfied with the coverage of israeli loan guarantees are those completely and totally obsessed with israel, jews and how israel can be weakened so as to capitulate to arab aggression and arab desire to gain back sovereignty over all the land-from the river to the sea…one of the most popular chants from anti-israel pro=palestinian crowds."
      Strange. The Arab States have had a peace deal on the table that guarantees Israel's existence and security, giving Israel swathes of territory illegally acquired by war in exchange for peace. In reply Israel continues to illegally acquire non-Israeli territory, illegally settle Israeli citizens in non-Israeli territory, IOW act like a rogue state

  • Israel has had a 'Muslim ban' from the start
    • @ Al2Sultan February 5, 2017, 8:59 am

      "Israel was set up as the nation state of the jewish people"

      It was a money making enterprise set up in 1897 to colonize Palestine http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8632-jewish-colonial-trust-the-judische-colonialbank. Loaning money, at interest, specifically to poor Jewish folk to put themselves and their families on the front lines.

      " It is a haven from a world that has on multiple occasions committed genocide against us. "

      Yet the leaders of the Zionist Federation didn't bother to migrate to Palestine, gain legitimate citizenship, buy land and settle anywhere in the Jewish People's alleged Historical Homeland when they could have. They missed the opportunity and every other opportunity offered them for the simple reason that they were and still are greedy and their vile colonial pyramid scheme is reliant on acquiring more and more territory to sell to gullible Jewish folk

      "There are 22 Muslim Arab nations I believe. Only one tiny jewish state"

      So what? None of the Arab states are illegally assisting their citizens to illegally settle in other folk's territories, nor are they illegally claiming territories beyond their borders as their own. Israel is.

      "But the author seems to not care that Jews are banned from living and praying and owning property in most Arab countries"

      You're yabbering at the wrong people. Go whine to the Israeli Government who has renewed Israeli emergency law banning Israelis from entering the territories of hostile states every year since 1948.

      " Israel is a jewish state and proudly and openly proclaims it so."

      Some 20% is NOT Jewish and were the non-Jewish Israelis dispossessed by Israel allowed to return, there'd be even more non-Jews, (tho not enough to make a majority, by 1950's the migration of Jews to Israel far surpassed the non non-Jewish Israeli population with RoR )

      " It will defend this tiny piece of earth from those who want to turn it into another Arab Muslim only/majority state"

      The Arab Peace Initiative and the Palestinian recognition of Israel since 1988 shows you to be spouting ZioCrap !

      " The only propaganda is the one emanating from site like this that tries to hide behind human rights to deny Jews their own rights"

      More ZioCrap. Adhering to International Law and the UN Charter would GIVE Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, their human rights

    • Seems catalan can't seem to help but be deceitful. It's so Ziotypical

      @ catalan February 4, 2017, 5:57 pm

      " If Iran were to allow visa free travel for US citizens

      A Tourist Visa is not 'visa free'.

      " I doubt that their hospitality industry would be able to deal with the veritable flood of tourists. No doubt millions of American women would pick up their leggings, tight jeans and colorful shirts in order to display them in the cheerful atmosphere of Tehran"

      There's nothing but unnecessary fear stopping them now https://iran.travisa.com/

  • Brooklyn protest to call for boycott of Israeli dance company
    • Two different messages.

      BTW a handful is better than none and certainly better than people who condone or attempt to justify with bullsh*t Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories.

  • 'NYT' should stop hiding the truth: settlements are illegal under international law
    • Negotiations = Palestinians sacrificing the legal right to all their recognized territories in order that Israel gain even more than it has already been given, completely gratis; the Palestinians sacrificing the universal right of a state to fully protect itself; sacrificing their right to true independence.

      Israel, already in breach of International Law, sacrifices nothing for peace and issues demands that have absolutely no legal basis. Even the territory it might offer to swap ( for more non-Israeli territory), is not Israeli

      The Palestinians have no legal obligation what so ever to forgo ANY of their legal rights in negotiations. Quite the opposite. They have a legal right to demand negotiations on how and when Israel will withdraw from non-Israeli territories taking their illegal settlers with them and what reparations should be made.

  • Jewish groups slamming Trump on refugees are hardhearted when it comes to Palestinian refugees
    • @ echinococcus February 6, 2017, 8:35 pm

      " ... you seem to forget the Palestinian protest since the early 20th C., the charters and declarations of the armed resistance movements of the late 20th C., and I suggest that you are consulting diplomatic and other stuff by divers Arab kingdoms and Palestinian collaborators, not “The Palestinians”."

      You presume wrong and I've not forgotten anything. The Palestinian demand today as I understand it is reflected in the Palestinian spokesperson's UN speech http://pages.citebite.com/e9p5s8u2yhcd

      Meanwhile "Annie is quite right. I should have avoided an indefinite subject re pushing this reader I'll take your word on that

    • @ echinococcus February 5, 2017, 10:43 pm

      " Why in the name of all things would it not be possible to
      both
      hold Zionism “accountable” as seen by the majority of the UN
      and
      deny any legitimacy to any Zionist presence at all anywhere in Palestine?"

      Quite possible and fine by me. However, not even the Palestinians make such a demand.

    • @ catalan February 4, 2017, 1:30 pm

      "... people become legal after they are illegal, not sure why all the sarcasm. I cited myself as an example because I am a citizen after many years of being illegal"

      Unlike the illegal ISRAELI settlers in the West Bank/the Golan are NOT trying to change their citizenship from that of being citizens of the State of "Israel, the Occupying Power." (UNSC res 476)

      You really are quite stupid to continue your line of argument because it is as ridiculous as every other line of ZioCrap

      Be my guest, tell us what is your solution to the settlements, and how and when you see it accomplished."

      Israel adhere to the Law as required by the UN Charter. Withdraw from all non-Israeli territories taking all it's illegal settlers, paying compensation for more than half a century of belligerence, theft of resources and incomes, dispossession, resettlement. Compensation to all the Arab states who have for more than half a century generously hosted Palestinian and non-Jewish Israeli refugees .

      Unfortunately the Zionist Colonial pyramid scheme has resulted in Israel being in an illegal situation where it cannot afford to adhere to the law without becoming a failed, indebted, embarrassment

    • You're delusional. There's nothing in the quote to show any reverence for the initial colonial conquest, the establishment of the State of Israel or anything else you appear so keen to conjure up.

      My argument s with Israeli propagandists, who by their own litany of lies incriminate the whole Zionist project, delegitimize the Jewish State, break the basic common sense tenets of the Jewish religion, twisting and contaminating everything as they go.

    • @ catalan February 2, 2017, 8:28 pm

      //“Fact is, it is illegal, thus a crime” talknic //

      "Actually in the US and in many liberal countries, illegal immigration is a civil offense. It is not a criminal offense, like a misdemeanor or a felony"

      It's not the US and it falls under International Law.

      You seem determined to make an idiot of yourself. Keep up the good work

    • @ echinocous "(including the initial colonial conquest revered by Talknic"

      Quote me ... Thx

      Meanwhile, I have never expressed any reverence for Israel or any other state. Fact is, Israel exists, legal/legitimate or not, whether you or I like it or not. It is also a UN Member State and thus should be held accountable for its illegal actions as seen by the majority of that body

    • @ catalan February 2, 2017, 2:53 pm

      "... first, I am aware of my own ignorance, which is limitless"

      Indeed, like all good Zionist propaganda miesters, quite limitless.

      " You chose to frame the issue in terms of illegal immigration"

      Under International Law and the UN Charter it IS illegal.

      "That allows you to discard the rights of both Israelis who participate on violence and those who don’t."

      Whether people participate in violence is irrelevant to the fact that they're illegally in non-Israeli territory.

      " ... the so called illegal immigration is not some crime"

      Fact is, it is illegal, thus a crime

      " We have to make the future better."

      Simple. There's nothing logical, legal, ethical or moral preventing Israel from immediately F*CKING OFF out of all non-Israeli territories, taking all its idiotic brainwashed and deliberate illegal settlers to within it's proclaimed and only recognized borders, then for once adhering to the UN Charter and International Law. It's never been tried.

      The more you attempt to justify the unjustifiable the more ignorant and unaware of it you show yourself to be. Keep up the good work!

    • They're so full of bullsh*t

      ." Palestinians are constantly invoking the “right of return,” which would flood Israel with refugees and undermine it as a homeland for the Jewish people. "

      Israel long ago passed the point where the return of non-Jewish Israeli refugees and their lineal descendants would overshadow the Jewish population within Israel's actual borders.

      The Israeli narrative emphasizes the fact that some 500,000 Jewish refugees were taken in by 1950 just from Arab states. PLUS since 1948 hundreds of thousands of Jews from elsewhere in the world, refugees and not. Non Jewish refugees in the same period til today - nil

      "... Americans for Peace Now has also urged resistance against Trump’s refugee order. But it too has been dismissive of Palestinian refugee claims inside Israel, saying that this would end the Jewish state." ... "demands that the principle [of refugee return] be implemented inside Israel are tantamount to a demand that Israel cease to exist as a Jewish state. "

      Simple maths and the Israeli narrative proves them wrong.

      "... solution will have to respect both the sensitivities of the Palestinian refugees and Israel’s sovereign right to determine who may live within its borders"

      The majority of Palestinian refugees want and only have RoR to Palestinian territories not proclaimed or recognized as Israeli.

  • To report honestly, US mainstream editors must stand up to Israeli propaganda machine
    • Hophmi shows us how Israeli propagandists strut their stuff. It's pathetic.

      @hophmi February 1, 2017, 10:53 am

      "Whoa. Lemme get this straight. The Israeli Government has a – press office?"

      Search for - press office - 3 matches found http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/honestly-mainstream-propaganda/#comment-869209

      Folk're talking about Israeli propaganda hophmi. Israeli propaganda extends far beyond any Israeli press office. It's a constant stream of Zionist bullsh*t especially designed for people who don't check and for those who purposefully concoct and spread vile filth that runs completely contrary to the basic tenets of Judaism

      "Are you trying to say no one in the media covers the Palestinians?"

      No hophmi, what was written is still there and its not what you'd like to have been said. But like a good little propagandist you take your own nonstory and run with it as though it has substance

      "Are you trying to say no one in the media covers the Palestinians? You must be joking"

      No hophmi, YOU must be joking. It's YOUR assertion you stupid stupid person

  • What would Anne Frank do?
    • "Anne Frank would be a proud Zionist just like Elie Wiesel. She would find Mondoweiss disgusting."

      If calling for the Law and Human rights to be observed is disgusting, the perpetrators and their pathetic brainwashed poorly educated propagandists are far worse.

  • Why the Personal Has Always Been Political: an Iranian-American reflects on the Trump executive order on refugees
    • But they don't ban Jews from ANY of the countries you named. Like most countries, they rarely if ever ask about one's religion or ethnicity

    • @ Mayhem February 3, 2017, 11:20 pm

      "Not a word of concern over the fact that most of the countries covered by the Trump ban have a total exclusion on the admission of Israeli citizens."

      You're yabbering at the wrong people you stupid stupid person Israeli emergency law since 1948 has prohibited the entry of Israeli citizens and residents from entering the territories of hostile states.

      " The sheer hypocrisy of the anti-Trump brigade is rife."

      Stupid Ziopoop arguments are rife, smelly and nonsense

  • Obama 'betrayed' American Jews and Trump is a 'swineherd' -- Bernard-Henri Levy
    • 1967 and 1966

      Resolution 228 (1966)
      of 25 November 1966

      The Security Council,

      Having heard the statements of the representatives of Jordan and Israel concerning the grave Israel military action which took place in the southern Hebron area on 13 November 1966,

      Having noted the information provided by the Secretary-General concerning this military action in his statement of 16 November 1/ and also in his report of 18 November 1966,2/

      Observing that this incident constituted a large-scale and carefully planned military action on the territory of Jordan by the armed forces of Israel https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/1A03C7BFB8D6C049852560C3004A4AAF

  • 'Constructed crisis for political ends': anti-Semitism claims are prime weapon for UK Israel lobby, Al Jazeera shows
    • hophmi, always keen to demonstrate how far away from the basic tenets of Judaism a Zionist apologist can get by making another in an endless stream false accusations

  • When 13 masked soldiers break into a Palestinian house at night, grandparents wake the children
  • It turns out Jews are as stupid as everyone else
    • @ catalan January 14, 2017, 9:50 pm

      "Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking"

      Doesn't justify Israel's illegal actions in non-Israeli territories over the last 70 years

    • @ catalan January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

      "The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together"

      Tell that to someone who insists on stealing your home while slaughtering your children

    • Both omit the cost of hundreds of thousands of Israel's illegal settlers, many of whom are serving in or have served in the IDF, who're not likely to support the Israeli Government's attempts to relocate them. I.e., a civil war fought predominantly in non-Israeli territories,
      against an Israeli Government trying to relocate them using a fractured, polarized, at war with itself, IDF

      Both omit the possible cost of war with the neighbouring states who'd then have every right to step into the breach again in order to protect non-Israeli territories and their legitimate inhabitants as they did in 1948, this time possibly with the aid of the International Community

      Both omit the costs of Syria, seeing success in evicting illegal Israeli settlers from non-Israeli Palestinian territories, then wanting the Golan back with the support of the International Community. More illegal settlers in need of relocation, more compensation to both Syria, refugees and those illegal settlers. Ensuing litigation by oil companies et al against the Govt of Israel. Loss of even more income from non-Israeli resources

      Both omit the effect of Israelis realizing they've been duped and simply abandoning Israel altogether. Likewise with Jewish folk in the diaspora and the International community at large

      What increase in international investment, trade and aid to ... Israel? Are sanctions already in place?

      Neither answer the question they pose. There has never been any interest by Israel in anything but the colonization of as much territory as possible in order to support a pyramid scheme that relies on MORE territory in order to survive. Like all pyramid schemes, once they crumble kiss your rrrs goodbye.

      "It would therefore seem that the rational course of action for the Israeli government would be to end the occupation of the Palestinian territories "

      So they're irrational. It isn't new news

    • Zionist are stupid. They've left an easily followed, incriminating, delegitimizing, trail of bullsh*t that has led Israel to the point where it can no longer afford to adhere to the law without the Jewish State going bankrupt

    • @ Mooser January 14, 2017, 9:56 pm

      There's an 'r' in grasping

  • The untold story of how the killing of Abdulfattah al-Shareef was taped
  • The Palestinian state never had a chance: a review of Toufic Haddad's 'Palestine Ltd: Neoliberalism and Nationalism in the Occupied Territory'
    • @ Jon66

      I believe Jefferson was long gone before 1933 http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897

      ZioLogic and ZioDrivel have absolutely nothing to do with reality

    • @ Talkback

      [[ A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended? ]]

      "Because otherwise they would have been technically in war with Great Britain

      Not for simply declaring. The British had to end their administration under the Mandate so that either party could if they wished, declare independence per UNGA res 181

      " That’s the reason why the Arab armies waited, too"

      The Arab states waited to see what Israel's borders were, immediately declaring to the UNSC the invasion of Palestine, not Israel. Although Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Iraq were UN Members at the time, there was no UNSC condemnation for either their declaration or their actions for the simple reason that Jewish forces were already outside of Israel's proclaimed frontiers and the other Regional Powers had a right and a duty to attempt to expel them from non-Israeli territories

    • @ Talkback January 16, 2017, 8:28 am

      [[ A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended? ]]

      "Because otherwise they would have been technically in war with Great Britain."

      Not by simply declaring statehood. They would not have been "effectively" independent while the British had control. The British had to end the mandate so either party, if they wished, could declare independence per UNGA res 181

      That’s the reason why the Arab armies waited, too"

      The Arab states, as did everyone else, waited to see what territories Israel proclaimed in order to be recognized.

      As there were Jewish forces already outside of Israel's proclaimed territories at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) the Arab States as Regional Powers submitted the Declaration on the Invasion of Palestine to the UNSC. (As far as I know, it was the last declaration of war ever submitted to the UNSC). There was no condemnation of that action by the UNSC even though Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Iraq were by then UN Members

    • Watching apologists for the Zionist colonization of non-Israeli territories dodging questions is hilarious. They seem determined to show us how dishonest they can be

      @ Jon66 January 15, 2017, 9:30 pm

      "The Palestinians would have had all of the attributes in the convention. "

      They didn't have effective control of all their rightful territories before or after the expiration of the British administration under the LoN Mandate for Palestine, and;
      as Jewish forces were already outside of the territories proclaimed by the Israeli Government as "effective" at 00:01 May 15th 1948, the Palestinians didn't have effective control of all the territories that remained after Israel proclaimed its borders

      "In fact, they declared a state decades later when they were completely under Israeli control."

      They didn't have effective and sole control of their territories, therefore, they were not effectively independent.

      "" If they can declare themselves a state in 1988 and be recognized, what prevented this action in 1948 when they actually controlled significant territory?"

      They didn't have effective and independent control of all their rightfull territories, therefore, they were not effectively independent

      I've answered all your questions. Answer me this

      A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

    • @ Jon66 January 15, 2017, 5:04 pm

      "There is no “prerequisite”."

      http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1

      A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

      @ Talkback January 15, 2017, 5:08 pm

      "There’s no such thing as a “pre-requisite for declaring independence”

      http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1.
      A) Why did Israel wait until the eve of the expiration of the British administration of Palestine before they declared? B) Why was it only effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948, one minute AFTER British control ended?

      "There is a pre-requisite for recognizing or attaining the “independence” (“sovereignty”) of a state which implies control of the territory
      "

      Quite. "effective" control http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

    • "The PLO declared Palestine’s independence in 1988 –while under Israeli occupation."

      Political independence yes ...

      ARTICLE 3

      The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

      The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.
      ARTICLE 4

      States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law. http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art3

      Impossible to be physically independent while under occupation.

      Independent = free from outside control; not subject to another's authority. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=independent+meaning

    • "You are confusing a state becoming de facto independent with an entity declaring independence"

      Uh? Read what I wrote. Then look up the meaning of independent.

    • Uh? Your links and dialogue do not disprove my assertion.

      Of course independence is declared unilaterally. Independence is by its very nature unilateral. If someone else controls part of an entity's territories, they're not independent.

    • "The Kingdom of Jerusalem covered pretty much all the territory of Palestine, and it was an independent state"

      Prior to the Roman era in the region

    • Only one of the signatories to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was from the region.

      David Ben-Gurion – Płońsk, Poland
      Rabbi Kalman Kahana – Galicia (Ukraine)
      Aharon Zisling – Minsk, Belarus
      Yitzhak Ben-Zvi – Poltava (Ukraine)
      Saadia Kobashi – Yemen
      Daniel Auster – Knihinin (Ukraine)
      Rachel Cohen – Odesa
      David-Zvi Pinkas – Sopron, Austria/Hungary
      Mordechai Bentov = Grodzisk Mazowiecki, Poland
      Moshe Kol – Pinsk, Belarus
      Eliyahu Berlignee – Russia
      Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin – Góra Kalwaria, Russia
      Eliezer Kaplan – Minsk, Russia
      Peretz Bernstein – Meiningen, Germany - Netherlands
      Abraham Katznelson – Bobruisk, Belorussia
      Rabbi Wolf Gold – Stettin, Germany (Poland) US
      Meir David Loewenstein – Copenhagen, Denmark
      Pinchas Rosen – Berlin, Germany
      Meir Grabovsky – Rîbniţa, Russia
      David Remez – Kopys, Belorussia
      Yitzhak Gruenbaum – Warsaw, Poland
      Zvi Luria (Lurie) – Lodz, Poland
      Berl Repetur – Ruzhyn, Ukraine
      Dr. Abraham Granovsky – Făleşti, Russia
      Golda Myerson – Kiev, Ukraine
      Mordekhai Shattner – Chernovitz ? ( Czernowitz ?), Ukraine ?
      Nachum Nir – Warsaw, Poland
      Ben-Zion Sternberg – Czernowitz, Austria /Hungary
      Eliyahu Dobkin – Babruysk, Russia
      Zvi Segal – Lithuania
      Bechor-Shalom Sheetrit – Tiberias, Ottoman Empire
      Meir Wilner-Kovner – Vilnius, Lithuania
      Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman – Mărculești, Russia
      Haim-Moshe Shapira – Grodno, Belarus
      Zerach Warhaftig – Volkovysk, Russia - Lithuania/Japan/Canada

    • The Palestinians could have had a state next to Israel
      “if only they’d accepted UNGA Resolution 181 ...”
      or
      “if only they’d accepted some of the concessions Israel has made ..." Offering to return the spare wheel of a stolen car in order to keep the rest, is far from a valid ‘concession’.
      or
      “The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” A notion usually voiced on the understanding that the Palestinians are to blame for their current situation.

      It's all Ziodrivel, nonsense, red heifer sh*t!

      It is a pre-requisite for declaring independence that the entity declaring must control all their territories at the time of their declaration

      It's the reason the Jewish Peoples Council had to wait until the British Mandate ended midnight May 14th 1948 before their declaration came into effect at 00:01 May 15th 1948

      It's the same reason Indonesia had to leave East Timor in order that ET could be independent

      All or part of Palestine has been under the control of a succession of other entities since at least the Roman era

      Under the Mandate for Palestine it was under British control

      In the months preceding May 14th 1948, Plan Dalet was launched and by the end of the British Mandate midnight May 14th 1948 and Israeli independence at 00:01 15th May 1948 Jewish forces were already in control of much of the territory slated for the new Arab State

      At the end of the ’67 war we saw Israel in control of and illegally claiming even more Palestinian territories

      Israel has never withdrawn from any Palestinian territories it has illegally acquired by war, making sure the Palestinians can not declare independence

      At no time in the past 2,000 years has Palestine had full control of all it’s territories in order to become an independent state. There has never been an opportunity to miss.

      It has been the Zionists who've never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. The dunce's cap is a Kippa http://wp.me/pDB7k-pE

  • US watched ISIS rise in Syria and hoped to 'manage' it -- Kerry on leaked tape
  • Jared Kushner fired me over Israel ten years ago
  • The truck attack that killed four Israeli soldiers in Jerusalem was not 'terrorism'
    • @ catalan January 13, 2017, 9:36 am

      "One of the most common phrases here is “ziopoop” – for any view that presents the Israeli side"

      Ziopoop is deserved for the lies, propaganda, bullsh*t you and your kind propagate. Honesty on the other hand, is in short supply amongst you.

    • @ mcohen1 January 13, 2017, 3:42 am

      "it kind of surprises me that those claiming to stand for human rights could be so callous towards the death of four teens – even if they were occupation soldiers. Do these people have a heart at all?"

      Go bitch to the Zionist Federation and Israeli Govt who covet non-Israeli territory and who encourage, assist and finance Israelis to be illegal settlers

    • @ Jackdaw January 13, 2017, 8:42 am

      "No Red Cross visits, no mail"

      A) Are Red Cross visits mandatory? B) Hamas are not High Contacting Party!

      "Even the Nazis allowed as much for British and American POWs "

      As they slaughtered Jewish folk. Your praise is noted

    • @ Talkback January 13, 2017, 4:17 am

      "Because Shalit was treated the same way Israelis treat Palestinans, including children, in prolonged administrative detention"

      Shalit was a POW. A captured soldier. Captured while actively serving in the military of an Occupying Power.

      https://www.icrc.org/en/document/protected-persons/prisoners-war

    • Jonathan Ofir January 12, 2017, 8:32 am

      "United Nations GA resolutions may not be as binding as SC resolutions"

      The Laws and UN Charter re-affirmed and or emphasized in ANY UN resolution are binding

    • @ Jon66 January 12, 2017, 10:17 am

      "Here is a recent headline from MW, “Thousands of Palestinians attend funerals for two teenage boys killed by Israeli occupation forces"

      Uh huh. Both teenagers (gender - boys)

      You teach ? Unbelievable!

      "One “boy” was 16 and the other “boy” was 19. So to be more accurate it should have said, ‘ One teenage boy and one adult…’ "

      It's not more accurate. What age and gender was the adult?

      Furthermore, under Israeli Military Law a Palestinian is an adult at 16 years of age, while an Israeli reaches the age of majority at 18 yrs

    • @ Jackdaw

      How was Shalit's treatment a war crime?

    • @ Jon66's I thought it was acknowledged that Hamas had funded the kidnap and murder of the three teens.http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/world/middleeast/killing-of-3-israeli-teenagers-loosely-tied-to-hamas-court-documents-show.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

      Interesting evidence you've submitted

      "But the documents, related to an investigation and indictment of the man suspected of leading the kidnappers, provide no evidence that the top leaders of Hamas directed or had prior knowledge of the plot to abduct the three Israeli youths."

    • King David Hotel bombing

      Explosives were set in the basement of the hotel restaurant where they must have known there'd be civilian workers (incl Jewish workers) and civilian hotel guests

      A warning was apparently issued ... (never does make sense, it allows the target to escape http://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/woman-and-child-killed-in-iraq-as-us-adopts-israeli-knocker-bombs-and-leaflet-drops/#comment-837350 )

      No one evacuated the building. It was blown up regardless!

    • The analyst is a nut case

      00:37 Who's talking? The people in the room watching the video on a screen. They're not outside and they're not in a van which would have to have been in the air according to his own analysis

      01:03 it's the edge of a computer screen FFS!!! The video is of a video on a screen. The majority of the shaking is from the second video (of the computer screen)

      @ 03:29 We can see a video camera on top of the lamp post

      The crane can be seen as the truck enters 01:31 and it can be seen bouncing up 01:36 and again at 02:02

    • Zionutters. Just how moronic are they? They seem determined to show us

      hophmi January 11, 2017, 8:19 am

      "There is no evidence I’ve seen to suggest that soldiers were the intended target,"

      Despite the fact that only soldiers were targeted and only soldiers were victims

      " and since Palestinian terrorists target civilians all the time"

      The IDF Memorial site shows that more military are targeted, injured or killed than are Israeli civilians. It also shows us they were attacked, injured and/or killed while they were illegally in non-Israeli territories

      " it’s just as likely that the soldiers were just the folks who happened to be there when this guy decided to mow Israelis down"

      The soldiers had no right to be there, nor do any Israelis for that matter, Jewish or non-Jewish.

      "In any event, there is no right to dress in plainclothes and use a civilian vehicle to kill people under international law"

      Go whine to your bosses https://www.google.com.au/search?q=video+Israelundercover+agents

      And when you advocate for this kind of behavior, as Mondoweiss always does"

      Against soldiers, quite valid.

      " it’s just another reminder that BDS is not non-violent in any way"

      Nothing to do with BDS you stupid stupid person

  • Israel-Palestine conflict could 'explode' under Donald Trump, Israel supporter warns
    • Jon66 January 10, 2017, 3:35 pm

      Total minus non-Israeli resources that contributed to the total
      minus additional un-accounted for compensation for having illegally used those resources
      minus additional un-accounted for costs of withdrawal incl resettlement and rehousing hundreds of thousands of disaffected, disillusioned and very very angry ripped off by their government Israeli citizens

      Israel simply cannot afford to adhere to the law. It would have the distinct possibility of being sent bankrupt
      as it descends into civil war, Israelis against Zionist dominated Israeli Government
      likely fought predominantly in non-Israeli territories currently held under Occupation
      where by the International Community and neighbouring Arab States again, would have every reason to invade Palestine in an attempt to protect the legitimate inhabitants from Israeli aggression

      It is Israel must plea bargain itself out of the sh*te hole successive Israeli Governments have created

    • @ Jon66 January 10, 2017, 3:35 pm

      "I don’t see the correlation."

      Take your Zioglasses off

  • Netanyahu has isolated Israel and is driving the US 'off a cliff into chaos' -- Lloyd Doggett
    • Classic Ziologic

      @ mcohen "moving the us embassy to Jerusalem is a clear message to all that the holy sites are to be shared by the 3 companions of the Abrahamic faith"

      Care to explain how ... thx

  • The mainstreaming of Palestinian genocide
    • @ Leopold Bloom January 8, 2017, 12:10 pm

      "If this is “genocide,” wouldn’t the most prudent course of action be for Palestinians to emigrate? "

      "If"? Uh? Israel is a UN Member State. All UN Member States are bound to adhere to the UN definition of genocide according to which, Israel IS committing genocide

      The most prudent action would be for Israel to stop colonizing non-Israeli territory. Withdraw, relocate all its illegal settlers back into Israeli territory, pay reparations dating back to 00:01:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time). Israel however, simply can't afford to adhere to the law. It would be sent bankrupt. A failed state

      "If a Jewish prisoner in Auschwitz had a chance to escape, would you advise him to wait until conditions improved?"

      Only a sick mind uses the Holocaust to justify why people should abandon their homes, land, territory and rights so their oppressor can achieve its vile aims

  • In 'breathtaking' UN vote, Obama changed his policy on Israeli settlements, making them a war crime -- Finkelstein
  • John Kerry picked the wrong timeline for the Jewish state
    • @ Misterioso January 4, 2017, 7:18 pm

      "No it’s not “a relic of the past.” "

      I wrote quite specifically in one continuous sentence, that " ... it’s a relic of the past and irrelevant to the State of Israel’s self proclaimed and Internationally recognized territories and the State of Israel’s illegal activities in non-Israeli territories acquired by war and/or under Israeli Occupation today. " !

      The consequences of what happened prior to 00:01 May 15th 1948 live on as a matter of course

      "The inalienable right of return ... etc"

      Of course and it's now the State of Israel's obligation

      "Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding on all UN members"

      Same

    • @ Misterioso

      All history, just and /or unjust, is a relic of the past.

      "The thoroughly documented dispossession and expulsion of about 400,000 Palestinians by Jewish forces between passage of recommendatory only UNGA Res. 181, the Partition Plan, on Nov. 29/47 (in violation of the terms of the League of Nations British Mandate and the Atlantic Charter, never ratified by the UNSC and grossly unfair to the native Palestinian Arabs) "

      I agree

      "... and the declaration of the state of Israel by Polish born Ben-Gurion (nee, David Gruen) et al effective 15 May 1948, is hardly a “relic of the past.” "

      I specifically didn't say it was

      "Indeed, for the record, it was only the beginning. "

      It was the beginning of the issue being with the State of Israel. Prior to 00:01 May 15th 1948 the conflict was not with the State of Israel.

      Nothing prior to 00:01 May 15th 1948 justifies Israeli expansionism.

    • @ pabelmont

      They're the frontiers proclaimed by Israel in its plea for recognition

      http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

      They're the frontiers the US recognized. Russia recognized. Australia recognized and even Israel recognized in its statement to the UNSC May 22nd 1948 to the UNSC when it referred to territories "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"

    • Been here before.

      Israel exists as a state. Like it or not. Legally or illegally. Just or unjust. Not at my insistence. Not with my assistance.

      If it insists on existing, then it must be held to its obligations as a state, to International Law and the UN Charter

    • Whatever happened prior to 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) is of historical interest.

      However, it's a relic of the past and irrelevant to the State of Israel's self proclaimed and Internationally recognized territories and the State of Israel's illegal activities in non-Israeli territories acquired by war and/or under Israeli Occupation today.

      There is only one state that has officially recognized Israel beyond it's 00:01 May 15th 1948 borders and that state is Palestine!

  • The challenges of being a Palestinian doctor in the 'Jewish state'
  • Terrorism: How the Israeli state was won
    • It doesn't belong to non-Jewish Israelis either.

    • @ Bar Kochbar January 3, 2017, 3:29 pm

      " clearly we agree to differ"

      Clearly you're delusional

      " A true Zionist would know that this site is a lost cause and not waste his or her time trying to be helpful."

      An apologist for Zionist colonization trying to be helpful? What a laugh. So why are you here apart from spreading Ziopoop?

      "As regards Zion, In the same way as a Moslem prays to Mecca, a Jew prays to Jerusalem and asks to return – Jerusalem is Zion."

      Jerusalem was not and is still not within Israel's self Proclaimed and majority recognized territories.

      "... when the Arabs invaded in 1948 the Israelis counter attacked…"

      Nonsense. Under Plan Dalet, Jewish forces were already outside of Israel's proclaimed borders even as they were being proclaimed. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Plan_Dalet.html

      The Arab states invaded "Palestine" according to the Israel Govt http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/MFADocuments/Yearbook1/Pages/5%20Arab%20League%20declaration%20on%20the%20invasion%20of%20Pales.aspx

      There are no UNSC resolutions condemning the Arab States invasion of Palestine

      " Israel took Sinai and gave it back, they gave back Gaza – so they do give back land"

      A) "land" is 'real estate'. Territory on the other hand belongs to all of its legitimate inhabitants whether they own land, rent or lease land or live under a bridge.

      B) Israel illegally acquired Egyptian territory by war. Israel's withdrawal was mandatory, per UNSC res 242 . It's withdrawal from other folk's territories for peace. Not land for peace

      C) Gaza is still under Israeli occupation. Israel has military control of Palestinian territorial waters off the coast of Gaza. It controls Gaza's airspace. It controls what goes in and out of Gaza and has the right as an Occupying Power to have all of Gaza's crossings including those with Egypt. (Egypt is not the Occupying Power).

      "I love the idea of Jews not coming from Israel"

      Israel didn't exist when according to the scriptures our Jewish forefathers invaded the region

      "... their genes (check out Cohen) prove continuity."

      The scriptures say otherwise and genetics show a link between Jews who were historically from the region with non-Jews historically from the region. BTW conversion does not alter ones genes. There are Chinese Jews, Australian Aboriginal Jews etc who do not have any genetic connection with people who're actually from the region

      "As regards the secular state of Palestine, I think the Hamas handling of the Jewish synagogues"

      Nonsense. Once the Torah is removed a building is no longer a Synagogue

      "... genoicide – I believe it is about exterminating an entire race or possibly nation "

      Read the UN definition. It's what all UN Members are bound by, including Israel.

      "I did like the idea that Jordanians owning Samaria and Judea as still seen as acceptable"

      Jordan handed the West Bank back to the PLO in 1988

      " Once peace is agreed the Jordanians would make excellent rulers."

      Over illegal Israeli settlers too?

      "My point that no government existed before the Jordanians and Egypt pulled out from Judaea, Samaria and Gaza has been accepted thanks – my point is there was no Palestinian nation"

      Your point is another smelly Zioturd. Palestinian Nationality Law was adopted in 1925 per the LoN Mandate for Palestine Article 7 http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp#art7 Under the Mandate for Palestine, Palestine was a Nation State where Jewish folk could achieve PALESTINIAN citizenship!

      "As regards the right of return… again good idea – The Jews came from there..."

      According to the scriptures our Jewish forefathers invaded the region

      "while the Arabs originate from ..."

      Irrelevant to Israel's proclaimed and recognized territories and Israel's illegal actions in territories outside the State of Israel.

      "Finally, instead of hating a nation of 7,000,000 to no avail, why not use this site to be constructive"

      Calling for a State to withdraw from other folks territories, stop illegal settlements is hatred? Israel's refusal to adhere to the UN Charter and International Law is constructive?

      "... Arabs not helping fellow Arabs .."

      Strange. The Arab States have fought the legal battle on behalf of Palestine since becoming states. They have fought wars for Palestine in non Israeli territories and they have provided, at great expense, refuge for millions of dispossessed Palestinians and dispossessed non-Jewish Israeli citizens for 70 years

      " ... this is my constructive solution ...

      Look up the word constructive

      "The Israeli Arabs can stay ... Gays can also remain as can atheists. "

      WOW Allowing Israel's own non-Jewish citizens incl gays and atheists to stay in Israel ... that's amazing. Think of it yourself?

      " ... The refugees can take up the land that 1m+Arab Jews left behind in 1948"

      Palestinian refugees are not from the Arab States of 1948. They do not have RoR to the Arab States

      Meanwhile it is NORMAL for countries at war to intern or expel and freeze the assets of possible allies of one's enemies. The UK, US, Australia expelled or interned their own citizens of German, Italian and Japanese extraction in WW2. It's also NORMAL to allow their return and to unfreeze their assets once hostilities have ceased, unless of course they have taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return, whereby they are no longer refugees.

      " OK, I understand that you cannot simply recognise Israel "

      Palestine recognized Israel in 1988, within the '67 demarcation lines. It's the only state that has recognized Israel beyond the Jewish State's self proclaimed UNGA res 181 frontiers

      " ... the settlers see their role as g-d given duty to prevent Israel being destroyed by people who have no respect or recognition for Jews or Israel… "

      Wonderful. Let 'em do it in Israel instead of illegally settling in non-Israeli territories

      " why not break the impasse and bravely recognise with a “subject to” clause (perhaps no settlements, no open borders, all the aquifers…) it’s called the moral high ground."

      The high moral ground would be for Israel to adhere to International Law, the UN Charter, the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel and Judaisms basic common sense tenets

      " please do respond with a solution that could work… below instead of ranting…."

      Israeli withdrawal from all non-Israeli territories for peace. Worked with Egypt

    • @ Bar Kochbar January 3, 2017, 3:18 am

      "Jordan was part of Palestine and it being taken away to form Jordan is some how acceptable but when Jews get their land back it is not"

      The West Bank as it is now officially named, was legally annexed at the request of representatives of the majority of the legitimate citizens of the territory. Jordan’s annexation was as a trustee only by demand of the other Arab states (Session: 12-II Date: May 1950) in keeping with the UN Charter Chapt XI.

      Unlike Israel, Jordan did not build illegal settlements or unilaterally claim the West Bank as its own.

      " between 1948 and 1967 it was owned by Jordan (as is the Dome of the Rock to this day)

      See above

      " – never complained about ..."

      Why would they? The majority of the legitimate population of the West Bank WANTED to be under the protection of Jordanian sovereignty rather than the rule of military occupation

      "The Dhimmi turned desert into meadows .... live with it"

      So what? It's completely irrelevant to the legal status of Israel's actual proclaimed and recognized territories and Israel's illegal activities in territories illegally acquired by war and/or under Israeli Military Occupation.

      "In perspective, the rumoured numbers of deaths by these Zionists is less than Lawnmowers kill in the USA in a year"

      Deaths by lawn mower are accidents. The purposeful usurping of the Palestinians since 1897 was planned

      "if Israel really wanted the Gaza and the ex-Jordan West Bank lands.."

      There's been no change since 1897 in the Zionist Federation coveting other folks territories

      " ... the people who have the brains and technology behind PCs, IPhones, Modern Medicine and Big Data ..."

      Care to substantiate your claims? Good luck!

      " If the Arabs offered recognition and peace ..."

      Like the Arab Peace initiative to which Israel has yet to respond?

      "As regards 1937 division refusal – 80 years – in your comfy armchair and typing on a web site is easy to State “quite-right” don’t settle for it… After all it is better to stand by principles than resolve anything ever"

      Hey there buddy, Israel proclaimed its borders and was recognized by them http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk Nothing outside of Israel's actual proclaimed and recognized frontiers was Israeli or simply there for the taking. No one has taken anything of Israel's. No one has invaded Israel. No wars have been fought in Israel. It is Israel refusing to stop colonizing other folks territories

      All Israel's wars have been fought in the territories of the surrounding Arab States and in territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were "outside the State of Israel" ... "in Palestine"!

      Go Ziopoop somewhere else, the stench is sickening

  • Scenes from Gaza on the last day of 2016
    • @ Leopold Bloom January 1, 2017, 5:13 pm

      "If you could give one piece of advice to these people to improve their situation, what would you tell them?"

      A) I advise them to keep demanding Israel adhere to its obligations to International Law as required by the United Nations Charter and;
      B) ignore people whose archive at MW that shows them to be blatant propagandists for the continued Zionist Colonization of Palestine

  • Resolution for 2017: Stop substituting 'the occupation' for 'Zionism'
    • @ mcohen. January 3, 2017, 3:05 pm

      "Zionism has been a difficult and centuries long political process to win back the state of Israel from various colonizers"

      The scriptures tell us our Jewish forefathers invaded the region

      "did an arab army colonize Israel"

      No. Israel didn't exist between at least the Roman era until 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time)

      "did the Turks colonize Israel"

      See above

      " ... the pushback by Israel is not an “occupation”.it is the on going rebirth of a country on the same land over thousands of years"

      Bullsh*t suits you.

    • Don't be duped. There's nothing vague about Zionism. Vagaries are an asset promoted by Zionists themselves in a deceitful MO designed muddy the waters and cause distraction from any ugly realities.

      Zionism is actually a very highly organized colonial enterprise with a strict code of behavior that has, predictably, resulted in turning the very people it claims to be working for, against each other.

  • Netanyahu's holy war, and the coming Jewish schism
    • Israel has never been able nor can it now afford to adhere to International Law or the UN Charter.

      Israel's only legal way out of the quagmire it has been led into by the Zionist Movement is through a plea bargain with the Palestinians. Unfortunately, Israel refuses even that.

      The leaders of a state that prefer to lie, cheat, steal and murder instead of peace, are either the epitome of evil or completely insane

  • UN resolution on settlements is a step back for Palestinians
    • The way the Zionist wheels have been spinning, they're very much afraid of the consequences of UNSC res 2334

      The publicly available coverage afforded previous UNSC resolutions was minuscule compared to today's reach via the internet. Today it's clearly in the public eye, with world wide coverage.

      Now people can now easily read it on the UN website, verbatim and; make them aware of all the previous reminders to Israel of the Jewish State's obligations to the UN Charter and International Law, which is invaluable

      It's even brought the astute editor Nishidani out of retirement at WikI/Pedia :-)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334

    • Annie Robbins January 1, 2017, 6:29 pm

      "didn’t unga already recognize palestine?"

      No. UNGA admitted Palestine as an observer state AFTER it had been recognized by a majority of the International Comity of Nations

    • “WH says it would veto UN resolution recognizing Palestinian state”

      It appears Ben Rhodes is ignorant of the process.

      FACT: The UN doesn't recognize states!

      FACT: States are recognized by a majority of the International Comity of Nations BEFORE the UNSC recommends them for UN Membership.

      FACT: Only then does the UN either accept or refuse membership through an UNGA vote.

      AFAIK There's no veto vote on UNGA resolutions

    • @ amigo January 1, 2017, 11:34 am

      " ... as the Israeli State has already been recognised , albeit with borders beyond those declared by Israel in 1948."

      Only one state in the world has officially recognized Israel beyond its proclaimed borders of 1948. That country is Palestine!

  • The NY Times attempts to isolate Kerry from Obama
    • @ captADKer December 31, 2016, 4:20 pm

      " ... BLM/CODEPINK/OCCUPYWS/JVP ... anti semites from the political extermes squaring off"

      Accusations are not evidence.

      Evidence of their anti semitism (sic) ... ... thx ... I'll wait ...

  • Why Obama waited 8 years to take on Netanyahu
  • The formal end of the two-state solution
  • Hear O Israel these parting truths -- John Kerry
    • Fact is, Israel has never been able and cannot now afford to adhere to the law.

    • @ DaBakr "which includes jordan"

      Hasbara bullsh*t seems to be all you have.

      FACT IS : Jordan gained independence May 25th 1946
      FACT IS: Jordan was independent BEFORE the UNGA 181 vote 1947 to partition what remained of Palestine at that time.
      FACT IS: Jordan was independent BEFORE UNGA res 181 was accepted as binding by the Jewish Agency http://wp.me/pDB7k-Yx
      FACT IS: Jordan was independent BEFORE Israel's frontiers were proclaimed separating the Jewish State from whatever remained of Palestine at the time http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk

      FACT IS: Only the legitimate citizens of the territory that became Jordan had an automatic right to Jordanian citizenship in 1946, folk who lived in whatever remained of Palestine in 1946 did not.

      BTW by agreement with who and on what date has Israel legally annexed any of the territories it has acquired by war (Illegal by 1945) since proclaiming its borders effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time).

      FACT IS: Israel has never legally annexed ANY territories.

      FACT IS: it has been illegal for states to recognize any territories acquired by war by any country, including Israel. Even if it is the Jewish State, Israel is still obliged to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter

  • Trump appoints ex-Israeli settler to oversee peace process
    • The Zionist Movement has had over a century to hone the art of putting people, money and energies in positions advantageous to their cause

      US Presidential tenure, 8 years max

  • It is time to recognize the US-Palestinian conflict
    • " That an American abstention from the world’s top council was required to ensure the success of a resolution favoring Palestinian human rights tells us it is time to recognize the American-Palestinian conflict."

      Nonsense.
      A) The US has in the past abstained from numerous Chapt VI resolutions relating to Israel's breaches of the Law, UN Charter and Conventions, those resolutions were never the less adopted.
      B) The notion that abstention from the world’s top council being required to ensure the success of a resolution favoring Palestinian human rights is weird. The US could have simply voted FOR the resolution

    • "... it is not necessarily binding"

      All International Law is by its very nature binding. The UN Charter is binding on all Member States. Relevant ratified conventions are binding. The Laws, UN Charter and relevant Conventions reaffirmed, emphasized and reiterated in any UN resolution are binding!

  • Abstention at the UN, or the Owl of Minerva of American Diplomacy
    • "Think about this absurdity,” Netanyahu said on Saturday night. “Half a million human beings are being slaughtered in Syria … The entire Middle East is going up in flames and the Obama administration and the Security Council choose to gang up on the only democracy in the Middle East: the State of Israel. What a disgrace.”

      He didn't check B 4 opening his fat wailing gob? How absurdly Zionistic

      The UNSC voted on Syrian resolutions prior to the reminder to Israel of its legal obligations

      https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12637.doc.htm

      https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12651.doc.htm
      - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/reportedly-resolution-egyptians/#comment-863891

    • @ DaBakr December 26, 2016, 1:09 am

      "if i had a nickel for every time i had to remind people that if i had i nickel for every time it was predicted that israel would soon be a “pariah” state... "

      A state with hundreds of UN resolutions against it for having been in breach of the law and the UN Charter is already a pariah.

    • Jon66.

      It's there as a matter of course. It has been illegal since at least 1933 for states to recognize territories acquired by any coercive measure, aka, war

      In essence it appears to recognize the right of states to boycott Israeli goods, services that exploit resources in the occupied territories

    • Dec 25, 2016 10:41 PM

      Israeli Panel to Approve Construction of 618 More Homes in East Jerusalem

      Since Trump’s victory, there has been a sharp increase in building plans for the holy city, and the number of permits issued this year is more than triple than in 2015.

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761337

    • When is this nonsense going to end?

      "The only thing that is regrettable about the Obama administration decision not to veto the UN Security Council’s resolution demanding an end to the Israeli settlement activity on Palestinian lands is ... "

      UN Member States cannot veto resolutions that reaffirm, emphasize and/or reiterate existing binding Law, the UN Charter and relevant conventions. They can only abstain.

      Despite abstention, the resolution was adopted unanimously by the voting members as were numerous UNSC Chapt VI resolutions in the past.

      ----------------

      "Instead, we are privy to a last-minute scramble to ensure a “legacy” that is certain to be dismantled by the incoming Trump team ... "

      Interesting theory. Exactly how can the Trump administration dismantle an already adopted UNSC resolution ?

  • Obama stands up to Trump (and Israel)
    • It's stupid. Purposefully muddied waters.

      This is a Chapter VI resolution from which the US has abstained numerous times, i.e., had no effect.

      The five permanent UNSC Members cannot veto or vote against International Law or the UN Charter. They can only abstain from a resolution that reaffirms and/or emphasizes or reiterates International Lawn and the UN Charter.

  • 'NY Times' trivializes UN abstention, reducing it to 'tense and tetchy' relationship between Obama and Netanyahu
    • Trump can't undo a UNSC resolution

      He is / they are talking nonsense

      He could push to table a contradictory Chapter VI resolution. If the latest vote is any indication, it could be easily defeated by a majority simply abstaining and; if they let it be known they'll be abstaining, it would become quite obvious to all there'd be no point in trying to table it

    • "... personal differences have nothing to do with the historic American decision to not veto a Security Council resolution condemning Israeli “settlements” in occupied Palestine"

      Permanent Security Council Members cannot veto a UN resolution reaffirming, emphasizing and/or reiterating predetermined/existing International Law, the UN Charter and relevant conventions, all of which are binding. States can only abstain in the hope that a majority will abstain.

      Veto can be used to defeat VII resolutions demanding actions which are not predetermined.

  • Breaking: UN Security Council passes historic resolution against settlements as two-state solution 'slips away'
    • @ catalan December 24, 2016, 10:35 am

      "... Now that peace in the ME is more likely, one can surely expect the same type of consent on some other big issues – notably pollution, overpopulation, disease, global inequality, and the various tyrannies and dictatorships that still plague us."

      Indeed. However, peace is only more likely if Israel adheres to its legal obligations and withdraws from all non-Israeli territories. UNSC res 242 was realized with the Egypt/Israel and Jordan/Israel Peace Treaties.

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