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Medea Benjamin, the president now knows thy name!
link to live.huffingtonpost.com
How in the heck's heck did she get into the hall?!!!!
Massive courage, Medea, wow what naked conviction!
The strangled voice of truth in the house of lies - what a song it sang!
Seafoid,
I've seen it for myself, heard stories too - 'tis true that young traveling israelis don't have a 'mellow', shall we say, reputation in the globetrotting circuit. Even the rare polite ones seem like such nice interesting folks till you mention the word Palestine then they start wigging out in places like Goa and Katmandu. Seafoid, I find this actually really sad. I find it tragic. I see no difference between precious youth wasted on zionism or wasted on heroine. Any youth wasted for any reason is a true loss. Youth used up as cogs in the war machine is most depressing of all. The saddest chapter in the book of zionism is the one where their youth are enslaved with the (false) promises of eternal security and everlasting superiority. Coming of age and straight to the killing fields - one killing field after another till retirement. This is your average israeli's biography. It amazes me that israelis, with all their blahblah pulitzers and golden eggheads, can't see that there are dire consequences for the future of a society that's been on constant diet of killing and oppressing for some seventy years.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn
looking for an angry fix." - Allen Ginsberg
Where's the isreali Allen Ginsberg describing the soulful turmoils of his generation?
Looking down at the corpse of a murdered boy and spitting and calling him a liar.
Real classy move ziobots!
This is bound to bring more world hatred towards the infanticidal zionist state.
German Lefty,
"Such things make a really bad impression."
On YOU, lady! On YOU! Not others.
YOU ARE NOT THE LEADER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORLD!!! You do NOT speak on EVERYONE'S behalf!! Not EVERYBODY lives by your personal standards of (dis)cognition!
"She’s clearly boycotting Israelis because of their citizenship."
Oh for the love of Mary there you go again! You wanna also call the rape victim 'prejudiced' cuz they're not interested in debating the trauma of rape with their rapist?!
Do you actually understand the concept of 'context'?!
Apparently NOT!
German Lefty,
You're repeating yourself ad nauseum and it's not helping your case at all cuz you keeping demonstrating how you completely MISSED the point of Susan's boycott.
You keep coming back more rattled, more arrogant, more "aggressive", insisting that you're ABSOLUTELY right in your (opinionated) judgement and people (not just Shingo and me but several others too) are just "putting words" in your mouth.
Poor poor misunderstood you.
Well how's about a little intellectual integrity here? How about taking this little thing we call RESPONSIBILITY for your own words? You think you can do that WITHOUT also crowning yourself as Mondoweiss's conjugal matchmaker too?
At this stage of the debate, German Lefty, I say take the palm or take the mirror - and for Pete's sakes stop repeating yourself. We all ALREADY know about "equality". That's NOT what we're discussing here. We're discussing Susan's RIGHT to boycott a debate that reeks of injustice in it's very framework.
Ponder that. Sleep on it. Don't knee-jerk-rush to post more of the same today.
Shingo,
"Oh my, what an amazing observation."
Man! There is nothing more annoying than a well-intentioned ignoramus! And as usual, Shingo, you are soooo patient with the brained-washed masses!
How do you do it?!
I'm in utter mystified admiration!
Danaa,
Very few things are more thrilling than 'pushing the envelope'!
In the old days, I used to do some fun acrobatic blogging at night and wake up in the morning with the electrifying thrill of NOT KNOWING whether I'd been banned for my posts or not! Loved that feeling hahahaha - it was like extreme sports for the moral mind!
'Pushing the envelope' is necessary to widen the horizon of thought. You, Danna, being a unique insider israeli, and a fine literati to boot, yeah you were, and still most certainly are, a vital voice for the cause of justice, a muscular frontliner on the battlefield of "The War of Ideas".
Thank you for what you do, Danaa.
p.s. wondering what will happen to the mondo blog gems in a hundred years? There sure is enough collective material there for a rigorous manifesto - LOL!
That's rich coming from you Woody 'father-has-spoken Tanaka' - LOL!
Still sore cuz I exposed your 'god complex' last week? Come on dude - you should know not to FORCE your non-religious beliefs on the non-religious :-)
There's tons of cr*p that gets thrown at me that I just ignore - mostly for boredom reasons, having argued the same point ooh at least two hundred times.
If you or German Lefty or even miriam and jon s find me so mindlessly "aggressive" in the playground, perhaps you should complain to the headmasters. I'm sure you'll all be seen as innocent, well-mannered bloggers who are always right in their 'arguments'. And me, well I'm just an "aggressive" know-nothing nobody.
Seriously guys, grow a pair of pear trees or something.
Long live the "War of Ideas"!
German Lefty,
I think Susan knows better than you and I how to handle zionists/israelis/jews when it comes to the Nakba. She's right to boycott the 'discussion' cuz the only thing that needs to be discussed with israelis/zionists/jews re the Nakba is the reparation that's waaaaaaay overdue. The idea of 'debating' it is ridiculous when there's a giant mountain of evidence already against the zionists/israelis/jews.
Yeah sure it can get a little rough and tumble around here - you shoulda been around when the moderating rules were looser - oh how I miss them good ol' days!! My advice is to grow thicker skin if you plan on being around the I/P conflict - you're gonna need it. And I mean it when I say: I actually like you, despite our very small differences.
"If Susan had said that she doesn’t want to have a conversation with Zionists, then that would have been totally fine by me."
Not 'civilized' enough for you? Not up to your lofty 'standard'?
You wanna make her an 'antisemite' (though she more semite than you and me!) cuz she doesn't wanna talk with "israelis" about the Nakba?
You don't think she's already had probably hundreds of such conversations and just doesn't the see the point of it no more?
Get outta town German Lefty!
Thank you, Susan. For understanding how the sick media game is played and for refusing to play along. Especially for refusing to have direct communication with your very-comfortable-in-their-studio-seat damn occupiers.
... Just thinking: maybe Al Jazeera will one day merge with CNN and be called 'Al CNN'. Might as well already.
They've both kinda had parallel biogs: early-day heroism that soon deteriorated to genteel shmultz.
gilad,
Dude you're soooo out of touch with reality. Palestinian non-violent resistance is freakin' huger than ever. Only last week it got a MASSIVE GLOBAL LIFT by a bespectacled man in a wheelchair - remember him?
Hawking!
Absolutely spot on, ginger!
Putin was NEVER gonna agree to 'play along' with israel on the Syria issue. And you can just tell on a personal level, Putin hates Natanyahu's guts - you can tell that he would just spit at the idea of Russia bending over before the eyes of the world (like our prez does) for the benefit of puny little israel. Besides, it's a tad too late for israeli groveling to the Big Bear. The s300 deal's been on the table but dormant for a long long time. Russia made the strategic decision several months ago to finally go ahead with it when it decided to strategically block the west's attempt at destroying Syria, through both diplomatic and militarily means.
So like, erm, please think with me here: what kinda 'cargo' do you think the Russian fleet of 5 warships, docked already in Syria from a couple of days ago, are carrying?
I'd say delivering the s300 systems to Syria on board of the 5 warships makes sense.
Yap. Too late for israel to butter-up Russia. Now Iran, Syria and Hizbollah will be able to down israeli jet fighters soon after their take-off.
I'd say the israeli military eggheads are soiling their unmentionables in "judea" and "samaria" at this shattering reality.
Will Team Netanyahu tell their citizens what's really going on? Will they tell the israeli masses that they've pretty much lost ALL their military deterrence, despite the superiority of their military arsenal and stock of nukes?
Hmmm let's see. To tell them would be suicide. To not tell them would be suicide too.
Yeah some of us knew that zionism was always gonna end up thus in suicide.
The zionists now have to choose between suicide number one, suicide number two, or peace.
My money's on suicide number two.
dima,
Israel is an infamous "terrorist" state. "Moreover", israel's criminal acts against its neighbors will, from here on, "put whole country within the retaliation response from" Hizbollah.
You say you take hizbollah "very seriously" and they've already promised you "an airport for an airport and an apartment building for an apartment building", and you know perfectly well they're capable of delivering on their "promises" and STILL you want to attack them, putting israeli citizens, not to mention the whole region if not the world, in harms way?
What for? You've already lost. Face it. You can't reverse the military trend of your neighbors: they've already acquired the weapons they need to hurt you back with.
Yet you refuse to face the facts. Yeah it takes a long time for losers to admit to their humiliation and defeat. It took several months of extra fighting and unnecessary senseless killing for hitler to finally admit to defeat and bite on his cyanide pilule. Are you guys intending to go the same way too? Denial and mayhem and copious death till the pellet is crushed between molars?
You've been checked a long time ago - since 2006. Face it. Hizbollah is stronger now and are double-checking you. They're about to triple-check you from the Golan. Oy vey what will you do? Build more settlements? Hide behind our American guns? Certainly NOT negotiate for a just peace!
Zionists are a buncha blatant suicidal maniacs. Thieves whose greed has made them morally vapid, emotionally highly strung and cognitively challenged - riding on their nukes and playing chicken with the world.
I'd like to see where it says that your god allows you to destroy his earthly creation just so you can keep tiny 'jerusalem jewish forever'.
dima,
So then you'll accept that hizbollah's 'promises' to israel are totally legal too?
Oooooh and wooooow I've been soooo busted by miriam!
LOL! Sorry Sherlock but you tickle my funnybone with every post - that's the kinda effect you have on me now.
Thanks for the laugh and Viva Palestina!
"... the Jews were better organized or smarter at it. "
You mean more 'desperate' for it.
Walid,
"So she flunked the class on Kanafani...".
Nice of you to defend the damsel in distress. But this ain't 'school' buddy. This is grave history she's tempering with - and whether by will or by ignorance, she most certainly deserves the criticism she got.
"... this does not make her a hasbarist".
You don't know that for sure of sure. And neither do I. But unlike you, I don't easily dismiss either the puny or grand deceptions that zios base their existence on - be they veiled or 'unveiled' - especially when there's a 'method' to the omissions practiced.
Question is, are you gonna trust what she writes in her next article, considering what an utterly abysmal journalistic failure she's exposed herself to be?
Bigger question: are the MW editors gonna keep publishing articles by "flunked" amateurs?
Walid,
An 'infiltrator' will often use language that would be pleasant to the ear. It's her cold cut&paste passage for the Nakba followed by a complete corruption of Kanafani's philosophy that raises eyebrows here. She changed his message completely. Why, why why?! Is she just a ditzy amateur writer/researcher looking for her 15 minutes of fame? Or is she undercover?
Either way, Walid, there's something not quite right with her roll-outs.
Not ONCE does she even use the word 'isreal' in her 'Nakba' piece. You don't think that's odd? How is the random reader to know that it was israel who is behind the "very ugly picture" of the Nakba and the assasination of Kanafani. It's like talking about the holocaust but never once mentioning nazis were involved. What kinda journalism is this? Is it even journalism?
Naah no "witch hunt", Walid. Too many fundamental things wrong here that I ain't buying. I don't buy her words. Don't buy her picture either.
Don't let the nuances pass you by.
irishmoses,
Thanks. Yes, best (and more soulful) to get the story straight from the horse's mouth.
miriam,
Admit it - you've been secretly going to hasbara high and dumping your homework on us, haven't you?
I see you've decided to just swan around singing lalalalalalala like half the posts above critiquing you and your work just didn't happen. Well I appreciate that, actually. Way better than wasting everyone's time with your pretenses.
So enjoy your "privacy", dear.
And your "Twitter".
And your precious '@BrandName'.
Hope you're paying poor Phil and Adam their cut
For using their site as advertising billboard.
"My god" miriam you're a desperate clutcher!
Ellen,
Don't you think her biog reads like the travel list of a mosad agent too?
What true-blooded Arab woman, who allegedly fully supports the Palestinian plight, would turn a sanguine resistor like Ghassan Kanafani into a kombaya crooner! Who do you think benefits from diluting Kanafani’s ardent message? One thing we know for sure: once a revolutionary’s message has been successfully diluted, they cease to be revolutionaries and their books and ideas soon lose appeal and lapse into dust.
Lady (if you are a lady), what’s with the ‘@’ symbol before your "name"? What’s that about? Do please entertain us with a marvelous clever-clever anecdote 'bout how important it is for you to stay on top of the alphabetical ladder, the PR ladder, the ehm propaganda ladder. And why are you being afforded the luxury of calling yourself a "WomanUnveiled" anonymously but with veiled portrait - how does that work in your 'chosen' world? By jeebs you’re like a copycat of the writer of the ‘Syrian Lesbian’ hoax!
Sorry to do this but I’m raising the alarm on this contributor. I must – it’s my duty. Not just for her highly suspicious modus operandum, her motivation to be here on MW, but also because she is such an atrocious writer too! She’s disseminating covert propaganda AND lowering the high literary standard of this site.
Do something about this, investigate it – or else encourage her to come forward and answer some questions by this here commentator – others too if they’re so inclined.
Wouldn't we all like to have an occupation without resistance eh, but the world just don't work that way. It never will.
How dare the occupied use the gun against their brutal occupier?! How 'indecent' of the natives!
'Oh the savages the savages, they'll destroy our colony and beyond!'
Well here's some biblical corn-cheeze you can chew on while you're tuning your violin, jon s: You Reap What You Sow.
It'll never be: You Reap What Taxi Sow.
Naah, it's lazy amateur journalism with weird discombobulated intensions. It was more exciting to read my neighbor's shopping list this morning.
yonah,
You forgot to mention that the mossad was on a secret mission in the early 70's to 'kill Palestine's brain' - to assassinate all (un-imprisoned) members of the Palestinian political intelligentsia. To leave the Palestinian people staggering around the place, wounded in body and disorientated without a 'brain'.
For your information, Ghassan Kanafani not only succeeded in breathing fire into the dying heart of Palestinians at the time, but also, like Che Guevara, he had succeeded in bringing together a collective of different resistance groups from different countries around the world. They joined their various liberation causes into one single struggle - and they acted accordingly to this partnership. Kanafani was the architect behind this global resistance structure. He worked for liberation regionally and he worked for the liberation of the whole world. And what you, yohan, call a "terrorist", is actually a freedom fighter to millions of oppressed people all over the globe.
For such a deeply emotional topic, it’s amazing how pedestrian this article is – the Nakba write-up reads cold like a yahoo listing. And the writer is also completely and utterly wrong in her analysis about Ghassan Kanafani.
I should know. My parents were very good friends with Ghassan and his wife. I went to school with Kanafani’s kids. We rode the same school bus everyday. They lived four blocks from us. We were regular guests at each others’ houses and we sometimes had Sunday lunch family-outings together (I still have some grainy black and white pics). This was back in the late sixties/early seventies when my parents moved from USA to Lebanon for a few years because of my dad’s work. But back to my point regarding the article…
One gets the sense after reading it that Ghassan Kanafani was pro 2 state solution. That he accepted european zionism’s illegitimate claims on Palestine. Now why is the writer creating this fake sympathy, this false linkage? Is she simply under-researched or is she a hasbara agent?
Let’s be clear first, this here below is the essence of what Kanafani believed in:
1- No zionism in Historic Palestine/Israel is a european invader.
2- Liberation of the WHOLE of Historic Palestine through the armed struggle, partially guided by the Palestinian cultural intelligentsia.
“If there’s one thing Kanafani attempted to do through his works, it was to show the Jews and Palestinians that they were more similar than they knew”.
What a clueless statement. Kanafani didn’t need to “attempt” anything. What he thought and wrote was focused and clear. He was anti israel regardless of it’s jewishness – israelis could be Buddhist or atheist and he’d still be against them as invaders of Palestine. He was a literary and secular warrior. He spoke of Palestinians versus zionists/israelis, not of Palestinians versus “Jews”. His audience was the oppressed Palestinian and other repressed Arabs of all religious persuasions – to “attempt” to show his audience commonality with “Jews”, as the article claims, is just utterly ridiculous. It’s undeniable that Gassan clearly understood his audience needed empowering, not pacifying. He was a populist after all. So why is the writer here presenting Kanafani as a wandering pacifist looking for commonality? What’s the writer’s agenda here?
And why (like Henry Norr above remarked), why would the writer state in her last line that Kanafani was simply “assassinated”, without mentioning too who assassinated him and why? Why is she hiding israel’s bloody hands? WTF?!! Why did she exclude the most important piece of information? Her last line only needed two little extra words to present us with the whole truth: “assassinated” ‘BY ISRAEL’, she coulda EASILY added that! How ungenerous of the writer!
And I take particular offense to this omission, having actually heard the car-bomb that killed Kanafani outside his residential building. Yes I remember that boom very clearly till this day. Any journalist worth their investigative salt would have also added that Kanafani’s niece was also killed in the car-bomb. Kanafani’s brother and niece had spent the night at his house and in the morning all three went to get into Ghassan’s car when the brother, last minute, realized that he’d forgotten his toothbrush and headed back into the building to fetch it – as the car exploded at his back.
I mean, at this stage of dissecting this sham piece of writing, I’m wondering why the heck MW editors would publish such an amateur piece of liberal zionist propaganda disguised as Arab feminist writings. Why publish this thin piece of I-don’t-know-what to commemorate a grave and sombre occasion?
I’m sorry guys to tell you that I don’t believe a single word ‘womenunvailed’ has to say about the mideast. And I also don’t believe a word about her purported identity. Woman “unvailed” should not be covering up their face with a black handkerchief in their public foto – symbolically or literally.
This article is even worse than the last one she wrote. Probably the worst article Mondoweiss ever published.
Mondo folks, this here is a small taste of what the REAL Kanafani thought about the Nakba, taken from his book, ‘Returning To Haifa’:
“You should not have left Haifa. If that wasn’t possible, then no matter what it took, you should not have left an infant in its crib. And if that was also impossible, then you should have never stopped trying to return. You say that too was impossible? Twenty years have passed, sir! Twenty years! What did you do during that time to reclaim your son? If I were you I would’ve borne arms for that. Is there any stronger motive? You’re all weak! Weak! You’re bound by heavy chains of backwardness and paralysis! Don’t tell me you spent twenty years crying! Tears won’t bring back the missing or the lost. Tears won’t work miracles! All the tears in the world won’t carry a small boat holding two parents searching for their lost child. So you spent twenty years crying. That’s what you tell me now? Is this your dull, worn-out weapon?”
Now if the above passage isn’t a call to righteous armed resistance, I don’t know what is. Kanafani has written hundreds of such passages. Please do explore his books – they are highly recommended gems.
'Bring out the zombies! Bring out the cannibals! Bring out the zionists!'
That'll teach Syria and them other Arab upstarts a lesson in warfare!
"non lethal support".
The thing is, the mercenaries in Syria are getting their weapons from Qatar and Saudi Arabia and both them bozo countries are getting their guns from the USA. Never mind the CIA's weapon-smuggling ops thru Turkey.
I'd hate to think what our government thinks 'lethal' support is.
IL1948,
Can't figure out if you're a sadist or a masochist.
Please people out there, ignore this twit - he's just looking for a reaction.
Hope he gets stuck in an elevator with a holocaust denier.
Thanks, Shmuel.
My classical Arabic isn't good enough to know the word 'hrt'. I'll have to ask my AUB Arabic professor friend when I see him.
But I do know that in colloquial Arabic, the word 'Khara' means 'poop'.
Thanks, Alison.
I learned a new hebrew word today: Hartata.
Now I know all three grand words in hebrew: hasbara, hartata and nakhon.
More and more, information on the Nakba, which has been cleaved asunder and buried under ziofoot for over six decades, is gradually being dusted off and exposed to the world. This is a very good thing indeed considering there will never be peace in the mideast before this atrocity is acknowledged and reparations duly and fully paid.
Californian beachbums like me call everyone 'dude'. LOL, but it's nice to know you're a she.
And about that revolting song you posted, well.... we'll just have to disagree on that one. But I'll also add that in the global world of music, very few musical events are regarded as lowly as the eurovision song contest, regardless of the stellar singers participating. The standard of material in Eurovision is designed to appeal to the global masses, therefore devoid of any true musical substance and soul. Is it entertaining? Yes. Is it good music? A big fat' NO'.
Dude,
That's a horrible song. The arrangements are disgustingly beige and predictable. All big lights and horrible taste in fashion. Little room left for soul.
This is a tad more like it:
link to youtube.com
Cool, comprehensive litany.
Thanks iResist!
Hey world out there, come on over and get educated!
Any doubt now that israelis brought their european 'stuff' with them when they invaded the holy land?
So why is Mondoweiss writing about people who've got "nothing to say"?
Am I the only one around here that finds Mondo's articles on the Dersh, on Thomas Friedman and J-Street, particularly tedious and inconsequential?
The Nakba "should not have gotten involved in this".
Woody,
You don't know what you're talking about - the human machinations as you describe them have no basis in the study of psychology. Human emotions reside both in the conscious and the subconscious, both are experienced/witnessed and interpreted by the same 'me-voice'.
You personally might hear many voices in your head. I certainly don't. Even my 'subconscious' voice, like in my dreams, sounds just like my conscious one - but with quirkier assessments and expressions. Even when I've in the past gone into a sudden and inexplicable panic attack, it was still the SAME old me-voice panicking. No alien voices have taken over the brain's microphone in my skull, Woody.
I really just don't see the value point of your 'me-voice' comment.
Except of course cuz you're mad at me and trying to stick a sharp elbow in just for the heck of it.
Well you missed. You'll always miss. Go home now.
Easy now Woody.
I don't feel "threatened" at all but I do find your idea that books are responsible for evil acts committed by humans a ridiculous notion.
I ain't gonna indulge you further on this point.
You probably think that music too makes kids commit suicide, right?
It's a stupid argument you're trying to have with me, coming on all heavy-handed and pompous. It's not the first time you've done this either. God help us all with your 'father has spoken' outbursts. Yes pun intended, dear!
I've already succinctly explained my thinking. You don't like it - so tuff! You wanna have the last word on it to make you feel intellectually secure? Well go ahead, Woody, knock yourself out.
Sheesh!
Citizen,
Destiny or free-will?
Now there's a funky swamp I wouldn't wanna dip my toes in.
For sure many religious people have outsourced much of their personal responsibility to their respective god - passed the bucket to the old man in the sky.
All I know is the single me-voice in my head: nothing else exists inside me except for my me-voice analyzing and deciding this and that. Believe me I've looked and looked hard.
Maybe I don't have the gene that allows me to hear the 'voice of god' instructing me. Meh. Just as well.
"Influences", yes for sure. But the ultimate responsibility still lays in the hands on the individual, not in the pages of books. Otherwise, anyone can commit evil and claim that the 'book' made me do it (which ironically, religious zealots actually do). I'm thinking here also of the words of the infamous, psychotic serial killer, David Berkowitz, "the dog made me do it".
There's no going round it Woody: individuals are still responsible for their actions, above all and beyond - whatever their "influences".
I'm like you, Woody - no fan of religion at all, mainly because of the ridiculous superstitions and contradictions in a chunk of their tenets.
Ya think, Woody, if nobody ever read the bible, koran, torah, etc - that these books were just lying on the shelve collecting dust, the world then would have no evil?
Aren't you here giving undue and non-existant powers to inane objects like books, money etc.? And also aren't you here excusing the evil that man does by blaming the literature they're reading?
I don't know about you Woody, but I've never met a psychotic book. I have, however, met a few psychotic humans who can read.
You know we do have this little thing called 'free will' - the free will to do this, and the free will to do that. Our choice. Our individual choice.
“A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time". When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment and replied, "The one I feed the most.”
― George Bernard Shaw
"Bimbo" in the 21st century has become a unisex label. I know we use it on both men and women in my circle of family and friends - we sometimes even affectionately call each others' pets 'bimbo' - the neighbors' pets too get a 'bimbo' from me every now and then.
Now 'Coco' may not be a bimbo, but she sure tries hard to look like one. An archetypal one, no less. Not wanting to be mean here, just stating a visual fact. I mean she purposefully does not exactly dress like a librarian (another extreme fashion faux) - now does she? Any average joe and jane looking at C0c0's pics would be likely to think she's a bimbo and not a professorial librarian because of how Coco projects herself, not because of sexism or any other ism.
So the question is: why would a smart and confident lady want to project herself as a dim tramp? I have no idea, is my personal answer.
More to the point (since we're dissecting Mahr's pomposity and level of intelligence here), is beau Bill so needing to prove his virility in public that he's attached himself to an exhibitionist with a Venusian complex? (I may have just invented this term, I don't know, I'll have to look it up later to see). I'm referring here to females suffering from subconscious low self-esteem who spend fortunes and large chunks of their time 'goddessing' themselves visually, theatrically, ritualistically, to feel approval and validation of self from the near and far world. We see this much in the pathology of today's celebrity figures and some of their wannabe-celebrity followers.
So okay I'm not a fan of Coco's stylist but I actually think she has a sweet face (when she's not 'working it'). I'm not a fan of Bill Mahr because of his covert zionism and overt islamophobia. To me Bill Mahr is not above average smart, but he sure is an above average bombast - a performing pseudo intellectual (the msm is FULL of them). And if I had to rate Bill Mahr's looks I'd say he's probably one of the ugliest men on TV ( gaunt, gormless, beady eyes, too much make up and horrible uncley blow-dry job). Next to Bill Mahr, at least Coco looks like she's full of beans and (risqué) funfunfun! Yes I'd rather have a beer with Coco.
Even if somebody's a bimbo, doesn't mean they can't still be your friend.
Hester,
I'm female and I don't find gingershot's reference "sexist stereotyping" at all. Unless, of course, you think all females are repressed Einsteins.
Religion is just a collection of stories. Some stupid, some profound. Dangerous interpretations of these stories by humans is the problem, in my view.
Bill Mahr might find everlasting conjugal happiness if he signed up with ihateislamlovematch.com.
When western christianity was stuck in repression and the dark ages, islam was experiencing a golden age with societal freedoms and prosperity parallel with our contemporary own. Maybe you should read up on the history of islam - find out about it's golden age and what subsequently followed in history that led it's golden age to falter and dim.
Point is, and Glenn made this point very clear too: it's false to single out a specific religion for being more violent, more regressive, more repressive, more political etc than others.
I'm no fan of religion, but I would point the finger at the religious before I pointed the finger at religion.
Man! Glenn Greenwald's brains are so alive and so much faster than that pompous islamozombiphobe Bill Mahr.
Best part was seeing the end of the clip where a chesty Bill literally gets pushed back into his seat and visibly deflates to receive a fast and furious blast of truths - one solid Glenn-truth after the other like bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang!!!
Oh joy oh Chapeaux!!!
Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Glenn!
Yeshiva kids should enjoy the last party, for sure.
Come this time next year, a whole new mideast may very well be upon us - and it ain't gonna look much like the one dominated now by euro ashkanazim.
So from me to all yea "Yeshiva kids" out there: Let's partaaaaaaaaaay woohoo! While you can, that is, and be sure to take a lotta pics - they're gonna be all that you can touch of historic Palestine come the dawn of your reckoning.
Ugly people in ugly photo.
How did Obama react to Hawking's boycott of israel? Surely someone in the bubble would have told him by now.
Here's Obama on Hawking back in 2009:
link to youtube.com
Clearly you love Apartheid more than you love "Dr. Hawking".
Be still my heart, I hear the faint approach of an avalanche.
Zios and their cyber minions are out in freaking droves, rushing, smacking at Stephen Hawking at the divey but popular yahoo news:
link to news.yahoo.com
LOL never seen anything like it.
Yap they all got their instructional hasbara memo today: everyone stomp on Stephen and all at the same time!
Ya think they know goy can read? That goy can see the racist ant colony in paroxysms of desperation?
Heh heh heh.
Dancing-dancing-dancing to the Music of the Spheres!
A coupla comments from Haaretz:
link to haaretz.com
Do you know any Pali physicist?
By Bob Greenberg
08 May 2013
06:37AM
Surely Israel will help a Palestinian physicist succeed.
By Li
08 May 2013
06:58AM
"The Israeli occupation yesterday, Wednesday 8 September, released the Palestinian academic Prof Essam Al Ashqar after his detention for one and a half years. Al Ashqar lectures in physics as the Al Najah National University in Nablus. The 52 year-old academic suffers from a number chronic ailments brought on by harsh prison conditions and inadequate medical care. He suffers from acute hypertension and kidney complications."
Shocking that I agree with you on this point, James Canning :-)
Saddam invaded kuwait for a handful of reasons. First, like you said, because of colossal unclarity in policy communication between USA and their (at the time) friend, Saddam - read: the Glaspie meeting.
Secondly, because Kuwait had launched an unprovoked economic war against Iraq.
Thirdly, because of kuwait's slant-drilling into Iraqi territory while the Iraqi army was busy bleeding and dying to help protect them and other oil emirates, as well as Iraq, from the "Iranian menace". Really, you can say because of kuwaiti theft, betrayal and back-stabbing.
Fourthly (nobody mentions this one much), because before the colonialist Brits drew lines in Arabian sands in the early part of the 20th century, dividing up the land over bottles of Cognac, Kuwait was mostly actually part of Iraq's south eastern desert (a quick read on the history of the birth of Kuwait won't go amiss here - or even a quick look at a map of the region - the whimsical-looking line that divided kuwait from Iraq). Most Iraqis will tell you that Kuwait is historically and legitimately theirs and they've been denied it by western imperialism.
And last (but certainly not least if you know anything about the Arab tribal culture of self-pride, that is), the straw that broke the camel's back for Saddam was the curses and the verbal insults on the 'dignity' of Iraqi women that the Kuwaiti prince apparently, belligerently, heaped on Saddam. This may appear ridiculous to us in the west, but in the mideast, to insult a man's mother, sister, daughter, or wife, is tantamount to attacking his manhood - something of a challenge that generally cannot be ignored in Arab patriarchal society. Something so deep in the tribal Arab psyche that yes, it can lead to war.
I've sat over the years with a few people, both western and Arab (journalists/diplomats/writers/intelligence analysts), who knew Saddam first hand and have made him the subject of their life's work. I've heard many Saddam stories from them that I've never seen in the mainstream media. That's why I was surprised to see annie's screenplay post that depicts scenes incredibly similar to what I've actually been told by my sources but never seen either in print or in cyberspace.
The real history of the loser of a war remains hidden for many, many years after their demise. This is the power of the aftermath of a propaganda blitz - it reverberates for many generations to come.
The mainstream media usually writes about the fake Saddam. Their Saddam. Not necessarily the real one.
"His backers in the war instantly became angry creditors, and were happy to use his debts to try to bring him to heel."
If by "backers" you mean Saudi and the Gulf states, then you're completely wrong on this one too, BillM. The monies given to Saddam by Saudi & Gulf states were offered as (cynical) 'gifts' to help him fight the 'dreaded' Iranian mullahs. The Saudis/Gulfies were secretly hoping that the two hated countries of Iraq and Iran would destroy each other and no victor would emerge. When Saddam won on a technicality, with the 11th hour aid of American reconnaissance of Iranian army positions, the Saudis and the Gulf states feared a doubling of Saddam's power in the region and between them conspired against him by first insisting the war-chest given to Saddam was a 'debt' and not a gift, demanding full reimbursement of alleged debt . Second, they launched an economic petro-war against him to bankrupt the unsteady post-war Iraqi economy in the hope of weakening Saddam, expiring him and his myth both internally and regionally. There is no evidence whatsoever that Saddam was "desperate" at that stage. But indeed he was bitterly disappointed and angry at the oil Arab's betrayal of him and absolutely livvid with murderous rage at the verbal offenses uttered by the Kuwaiti Prince, as the screenwriter in Annie's post correctly and accurately states. Saddam was definitely not "desperate" at all at that time because he STILL had American backing.
I know all this from speaking with Bob Baer about it at the time that it was happening, when he was working on the CIA's Iraq file. At the time, America was still somewhat friendly with Saddam - it was AFTER he invaded Kuwait that America 'dropped' Saddam - really because the newly opened CIA offices in Baghdad could not get ANY cooperation from his intelligence services whatsoever since opening day, and Saddam was deemed "too much trouble", too egomaniacally "out of their control" and therefore not to be trusted anymore. 'Dropable'. He'd already beat the Mullahs and they didn't need him anymore.
Saddam's "desperation" phase was much later than the Kuwait crisis. After his losses in Gulf War 1 against Bush Snr, he actually took a 3 year sabbatical from direct rule, assigning his security duties to his son-in-law, Kamel. When Saddam returned himself to office and investigated Kamel's activities during his absence and found that he'd been fleecing the Iraqi Central Bank, Saddam ordered Kamel's arrest. Kamel and his wife, Saddam's daughter, got a tip on the arrest from Saddam's first wife and they fled to Jordan by moonlight. Subsequently, Saddam discovered that Kamel had planned, with the help of the CIA, to personally assassinate him during a family Eid gathering that Kamel was supposed to attend. Ironically, Kamel had fled the night before the Eid pow-wow where he was supposed to "put a bullet in Saddam's head" and where Saddam was simultaneously supposed to have him arrested and humiliated in front of all the whole family at their yearly gathering. (Yeah man, Shakespearean twists and turns!)
When Saddam discovered that the CIA had infiltrated his inner circle through his family members, although their mission had failed, he began then to feel pathologically 'unsafe' without: read the no-fly-zone, AND within: read Kamel & Uday both tried to assassinated him, but in the case of Uday, it was prompted by his acute Oedipal complex, incited by his mother.
When members of Saddam's family tried to assassinate him, only then can we really say that Saddam became "desperate". Till then, all his maneuverings were to buy time and hope the next USA administration would be leaner on him. But then... George W Bush happened, 9/11 happened, and the pentagon snatched the Iraq file from the CIA's hands (because of their many failed assassination attempts on Saddam/failed mission in Iraq).
Sorry, BillM, but Saddam's (pyrrhic) victory over Iran left him weakened, not "desperate". That stage came later - way after his forced withdrawal from kuwait, when the n0-fly-zone finally took hold and started to really cramp his style of governance.
"why should I defend a monstrous dictator like Assad – who gasses his own people?"
Where's your frigging proof?!
I bet you believed Saddam had WMD's too, uhuh.
John McCain is the most powerful israeli in our congress and he likes it this way, thank you very much.
Boo hoo hoo RJL,
Poor poor you having to be forced to read Mondoweiss at gunpoint everyday. Being forced the humiliation of cyber-hanging with all them "anti-Semites" and "sterile anti-israel" know-nothing goy. Oh deary deary me. And of course you know so much more about "Syria" than they do - after all you've been to the Golan several times and they haven't, right?! Ooops I'm sorry, my "antisemitic" mistake calling the Golan Syrian when is clearly is israeli, right?
And thanks for bringing up that "Saudi Arabia bombing" thing - thanks for reminding us that israel and saudi arabia have so much in common. Not that we needed reminding, but it's always good to get a confirmation from mideast experts like YOU.
Now I don't have a bridge "over very troubled waters" to sell you, but I do have several I can recommend you for jumping off - list available upon request.
"there’s so much wrong with your comment krauss..."
You can say that again!
Here's my little goldfish in Krauss's big pond of cr*p:
"Israel acts in it’s national interest – does it want Hezbollah to have chemical weapons?"
Well try this, Krauss: 'Hizbollah acts in its national interest - does it want israel to have nuclear/chemical/biological weapons?'
Your statement seems to imply that Lebanon does not have the same rights to self-defense as isreal. Are some weapons more moral than others in your crafty kraussian universe?
Astounding too that you even believe the spin on the reason israel attacked Syria. You honestly think that Iran would send such important "game-changing weapons" to hizbollah through war-torn Syria by land, instead of flying them on Iranian planes directly to Beirut aiport where airport security is in the hands of hizbollah?
Come on, Krauss, "this isn’t a moral question, but strictly about cold-hearted realism".
Oh and one more thing: hizbollah's already got them "game-changing" weapons - and israel knows it too. Hence, no israeli blitzing of Lebanon since 2006.
Good grief, Marc Ellis - it's like a funeral in your salon! Have yea no faith?!! You sure it's Syria you're depressed about and not the wife/girlfriend/job/mortgage?
Syria is NOT a "carcass". Wounded, yes - but not fatally so. It's also not going to sleep every night with its boots on and gas-mask resting on forehead - unlike, well... you know who.
C'mon snap outavit!
Don't be an underestimator.
Stop watching CNN.
" I don’t think Assad will survive until 2020, unless he leaves the country or unless there is a negotiation that creates a mini Alawite state. I think the weakening of the Hezbollah, Assad, Iran axis is to Israel’s advantage, but chaos or a type of Hamas in Syria is not to Israel’s advantage."
Oh crumbs of jesus! Do you zios ever get your heads outta where the sun don't shine? LOL what on earth would make you think that "Hezbollah, Assad, Iran axis" is "weakening"?! Do please show us how israel has ANY advantages left in this day and age?
Better still, keep mainlining the ziocaine. An ideology where members are sooo high on delusions of power and grandeur can only be good for Palestine at the end of the day.
Expect the worst from the zionists, annie. They're that desperate now, hence their erratic, violent outburst and stale old excuses for breaking international laws - again. Turning the tables in mid chess game cuz you're losing is an old zionist tactic. They're betting on savage war saving them again. And they've got big shot backers on their side. But didn't they do the same to Lebanon back in '82? Attacked the Lebanese when they were in the middle of a civil war - and with pretty much the same big shot backers supporting these crimes of aggression then too? Only difference this time round, is the looming presence of Russia and China over the terrain of israel's present conflict.
Let's wait and see what Putin's office will have to say about it all. Let's see what Xi Jinping's statements will be. One thing's for certain, there's a sudden jolt in the region's air, a palpable and twitching impatience with israel.
Will Bashar's sponsors give him the green light to strike back, just like israel got its green light to attack from its sponsors? The next forty eight hours will give us, if not an answer, then at least a solid clue or two.
yonah,
Right from the onset of the troubles in Syria, Bashar offered the early (legitimate) street protestors a functioning democracy - it wasn't just a verbal offer, he actually signed a decree to this effect. But soon as his offer was made public, mercenaries swiftly started flooding into Syria, mixing with legitimate protestors, agitating, planting bombs in crowds and causing death on the streets that led to sectarian strife. Now why would israel, America, Saudi Arabia and Qatar (with Turkey, UK and France in their shadow) not want democracy in Syria?
This is NOT about democracy, yohan. It's bigger than that.
You just absolutely REFUSE to get it, don't you, Donald?
You think the children of occupiers have the same rights to the land as the children of the indigenous occupied. You consider this civilized, progressive, liberal?
Well I don't see YOU giving up half your house for nobody - actually I can't see you giving up half your house because the squatters had a baby in your basement either.
We've discussed this very topic before - go find it in the archives if you can bare the tedium.
Yeah right slug0, us "white" American goy are real slowwwwwww uhuh.
Deary, you will never know for sure if I'm euro-white or alien-green, but go ahead miss miriam, tell us what your brain-shaped crystal ball says about my shoe-size too. I'm sure your info is verifiable, your logic is stellar and your answer is gonna be 100% accurate, right?
LOL I'm sorry I shouldn't even be responding to your deluded, illogical assertions.
Your modus operandom: when in doubt, consult the crystal ball.
Pagan!
annie,
Propaganda is a flexible plastic, right?!
The strike was against a Syrian Army road-block guarding a temp Syrian Army amo depo. The strike was designed to kneecap and confuse the Syrian army while the mercenaries trapped inside Mount Qassioun attempted to free themselves up from the Syrian Army's choke-hold.
It is utter rubbish for israel to claim that Iranian "game-changing" weapons headed for hizbollah were targeted and struck. Just think about it: why would the Iranians transport such 'valuable and important' weapons through a war-torn Syria when it can easily fly them into Beirut airport, which is how they transport weapons to hizbollah anyway? Duh - let's ask CNN!
Because the target was military, Syria is reading it as an israeli "declaration of war". What they will do about it remains to be seen. The Syrian Army's hammer and anvil have been cold for years but this is no longer the case.
Between now and early June, when Putin meets Obama to discuss Syria, there will be intensifying dramas between the two sides: Syria & friends versus israel/USA/Saudi Arabia/Qatar and their alqaida/mercenary friends. Obama and Putin need as much leeway for negotiations as they possibly can, so both leaders will approve of missions that they think will afford them the upper hand in the eventual discussions/negotiations in June.
I wouldn't be surprised if a very limited mini war broke out between israel and several of it's neighbors before the June meeting.
... Meanwhile, Bashar, comfortable with his eventual victory, has been making rare public appearances.
"Also Saturday, Assad made his second public appearance in a week in the capital Damascus. Syrian state TV said Assad, who rarely appears in public, visited a Damascus campus, and footage showed him being thronged by a large crowd. The report said Assad inaugurated a statue dedicated to "martyrs" from Syrian universities who died in the country's uprising and civil war."
link to news.yahoo.com
LOL, so much hubris in this article (guess who wrote it?!), but nevertheless....
Inside a week, it's cost us, the American tax payer, mucho millions in fuel for israeli jet to pin-prick the Syrian Army.
The mercenaries are surrounded by the Syrian army on Mount Qassioun - israel bombed an army checkpoint road to create a small gap, a puny gateway for the mercenaries to escape through. But most of the mercenaries ain't gonna be leaving Syria alive - you can bet on that.
Bashar is winningwinningwinning!
And israel is freakingoutfreakingoutfreakingout!
So freaked out in fact that they've illegally flown their fighter jets HUNDREDS of times over south Lebanon this past week: hours and hours of jet noise-pollution day and night. And I should know this: I've been frigging hearing them!
Normally they send maybe one or two illegal incursions into Lebanese airspace, once or twice a week and only for a few minutes - just to remind the Lebanese folks that they still intend to kill them. Of course the civilians in south lebanon are so used to the sound of israeli jets that they pay no attention to them whatsoever - carry on with what they're doing like the jets didn't even exist.
I should like to know how many israelis would run to their lux shelters at the sound of a Lebanese jet overhead.
They bombed ' Mount Qassioun', the most strategically important rebel/terrorist foothold outside of Damascus, the LAST ONE they control. They bombed to help the terrorist mercenaries in Syria, NOT to strike at a Syrian weapons convoy headed for Hizbollah with "game-changing" weapons. The hizb already has the "game-changing" weapons, thank you very much.
Yes the rebels are losing so desperately, so badly they are now receiving DIRECT help from israel - under the false claim of hitting at the hizb.
"This is the end, my only friend" should be sung in unison at the mercenaries in Syria:
link to vimeo.com
Will Bashar react to this bombing? Yes, in his own good time - he and others most certainly will.
Right you are james canning - of course between Charlie Rose and the Emir of Qatar (whose name you haven't used once cuz you haven't bothered to look it up!) all truths and facts stream and deluge the world.
Go get outta town and take your brainwash solution widya! You're a perfect example of how 'little knowledge is dangerous'.
Oil-Arabs, or collaborator Arabs as I prefer to call them, have paid so much lip-service to the Palestinian cause they got no lips left!
yonah fredman,
Are you so dense that you need to ask?
@ miriam (who is of the same density as yonah)
Since the turn of the 20th century, zionism has directly killed hundreds of thousands more people than cannibalism, so really I’m gonna have to review the scale of evil between them – and I’d say it ain’t gonna look good for zionism at all nosiree Bob. Besides the FACT that you know NOTHING about me WOTSOEVER! So like when your vindictive self attempts to smear me cuz you got no VALID ARGUMENT to present, I’ll have to return the favor and invent you and your “stock” as descendants of pathological child molesters, or cannibals. There. See how that works when you don’t stick to the FACTS!
At bothaya I'll repeat: THE ONLY LEGITIMATE OCCUPIERS OF THE HOLY LAND ARE PALESTINIANS, WHATEVER THEIR RELIGION MAY BE.
Now put that in yer pipe and inhale real deep - slim chance you might just get it.
james,
You seem to be unaware of how much wet Qatari PR you've willingly swallowed.
The only jews in the holy lands who are NOT colonialists are Palestinian jews. Other Arab, Iranian, and euro jews are colonialists - and that includes you and your family mister yonah.
I gotta say I just love the wallpaper in the foto's background.
I should like to photoshop the picture and remove the two-legged uglies in the foreground.
A 'collaborator' Arab and not a 'resistance' Arab, the Qatari Emir and his Saudiesque mini-me country: paymasters for thousands of Black Flag mercenaries in Syria.
Yeah talknic, the headline belongs to zionists suffering from their usual hysteria.
This is probably what they're really freaking out about:
"The report is entitled “The Promised Land” and concludes that Christians should reject the idea that Jews have an exclusive claim to the Land of Israel. It also opposes using the Bible to “settle contemporary conflicts over land.”"
Thanks yrn - you just lowered my real estate value.
Church of Scotland questions israel's right to exist:
"The report is entitled “The Promised Land” and concludes that Christians should reject the idea that Jews have an exclusive claim to the Land of Israel. It also opposes using the Bible to “settle contemporary conflicts over land.”"
link to jewishpress.com
Peace talks with israelis are rubbish! We all know that zionists will NEVER give up an inch of the (stolen) holy land: '48 partition line, '67 borders or whatnot!
Only Palestinian jews truly belong in Palestine. Any righteous and common-sense practitioner can easily see this.
The coming war will make the rest of the motley israelis understand this loud and clear. There will be just about enough suitcases in tel aviv shopping malls to accommodate colonialists ashkanazim demand. Buy early, is my advice to non-Palestinian israelis.
Hey Aipac, stfu and pass the popcorn.
As a lover of dogs, I really resent you equating cute canines with israelis.
Everyone, including jews, is sacrificable on the zionist alter.
menachem,
I love my country and I'm also free to critique our foreign policy in the mideast based on how many mid easterners have got injured/maimed for life/killed/refugeed, due to our warped policies over the past five decades. The number of casualties is so staggering and continuing to increase that our policies in the mideast can only be called 'evil'.
I bet my farm you would short-circuit, swoon then stomp the ground in denial of israel's lengthy menu of crimes against its neighbors.
That's the difference between us, I love my country but insist on it behaving righteously on my behalf. Whereas you are a cog in the wheel of zionist israel with no ability to critique it whatsoever.
Sheep.
Slightly off topic here, yet connected. I'm sitting here wondering to myself what on earth is the axis of evil in the mideast (USA/israel/moslem brotherhood) gonna do now that they've lost the battle for Syria? I know it's not 'official' yet, but it really is a done deal - will be officiated when Putin and Obama meet in June.
Look, since 2006, the axis of evil failed to ignite a civil war in Lebanon, they couldn't get their war on Iran together, and now a victorious Bashar will probably become a bigger hero in the middle east for exercising his style of leadership under crisis. He could even add fierce momentum to the spirit of Pan Arabism stirring underfoot of the Arabian sands. Much local reconciliation activities are taking place between sunni and shia across the Arab nations, going unreported by media, focused on establishing peace between factions so as to 'remove the sword that separates sunni and shia, from the hands of the enemies of islam and the Arabs'.
Point is, what the hell are the warmongers and hatemongers gonna do now? They're trying to stir it up again in Iraq between sunni and shia but it's not fully catching on this time round - we're not hearing mass incitement from Iraqi religious leaders etc even though many Iraqis are dying in the latest wave of sectarian violence.
The 'regional' moslem brotherhood is being flushed out of Syria as we speak. I'd say they peaked with Morsi's election and have been going downhill ever since - because they have very little experience at playing the game of politics - they might be experts on the koran but they're amateur political statesmen. We all know how disastrous for any country to have ideologues in power - they f*ck up so much so quickly! So then we can look forward soon enough to the dissipation of their influence in the region. This doesn't mean Arabs and moslems will stop worshiping fervently, but they will start collectively rejecting violent zealotry, especially moslem on moslem violence. All this is happening, at the heals of Syria's victory over the brotherhood and its gulf Arab and western supporters.
And America, what will America do when it's clear that Russia is the biggest winner of the Syrian conflict? Well the Russians, lately playing the 'friendly' card with all nations so as to increase their international-influence capital, will come to America's aid and help it save face. Putin and Obama will work out the spin of it all as part and parcel of their June meeting about Syria. Looking forward to the press conference after the meeting, I am! I'd say it coulda been much worse for us so really it's all well(ish) that ends well(ish). Remember, folks, our Empire's unwritten motto is: 'Live To Fight Another War'. We are dense sometimes, yes, but we are not suicidal. So we will do what's necessary 'to live to fight another war'. Unlike our best friend israel, who's unwritten motto is a three syllable word: Masada!
Yes poor, poor israel. Slowly imploding while deluding itself that building more settlements is a sign of unabashed sanguine growth. Poor israel: like a cancer patient equating their alien growth with natural muscle. They just don't get it - don't get that they are their own ultimate enemy, driven by the pathology of fear and suicidal policies. It's perhaps true what Saddam said of isreal: "Israel is like a bar of soap; you cannot use one hand against it. Both hands need to patiently work it over time and it will just dissolve by itself" - this anecdote was told to me by a journalist ex-friend of Saddam.
People, Syria's victory is a game-changer and a Russian announcement to the world: WE ARE BACK!
"How is President Obama NOT a terrorist, like President Bush and other presidents before him?" - William Boardman.
link to readersupportednews.org
Bin Laden stated that he got the idea to blow up buildings in the USA after seeing footage of israeli planes bombing residential buildings in Beirut in 1982, buildings that were collapsing on helpless civilian residents. It is estimated that israel slaughtered some 17,000 Lebanese during Sharon's invasion of Beirut. All paid for and enabled by the USA.
He's right here:
link to youtube.com
What spirit! Viva Palestina!
Jews using 'lite' gas on 500 non-jews.
What will they use on 5000 non-jews? 50.000? 5,000,000?
Get outta town miriam with your stupid Native Indian Analogy - hasbara 101! Debunked at least 100 times here on MW - check archives!
You don't even know where I was born so stfu your argument is completely baseless and moot!
Besides, you are one of the LAST people on earth to care about injustice - especially native American Indian justice! I doubt very much you've even met a native American Indian - unlike me who galavanted around Arizona and California with Sitting Bull's grandson - ya baby!
Zionists are vain bastards who think they knowitall when they only know a single one thing: they are committed to covering up the evil crimes and terrorism of israel and its occupations. Even though you live somewhere between golders green and finchley (london, UK), I'm pretty sure you'd be more likely to join the idf than the British armed forces if push comes to shove and UK went to war with israel.
Quit it with your 'gotcha Taxi' silly games - so puerile! No substance. You can run after me, but you'll NEVER catch up dear!
Donald,
I can't be bothered to demonstrate to you how.... just go, go re-read your first reference to the Native American question - very unfocused.
Liberal zionists who wave the banner of "human rights" to protect the new generation of zionists from 'reparations and full justice', protect them at the expense of the victim's justice, are walking around with one blinker off and one blinker over the other eye.
That's why I got no intellectual respect for their point of view.
Donald you're also riding your usual self-appointed high horse again with your "People like that think that human rights issues are a zero sum game".
Ridiculous and pompous!
Determinator much?
Ecru,
Your 2000 years versus 60 is utter bogus rubbish. Read Shlomo Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People'.
Or you can get his gist from watching him here:
link to youtube.com
Miriam says: 'ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME! I ME am the victim here! ME! ME! ME! Never YOU! NEVER!'
Eat your heart out in golders green - you've got NO POWER over what people have to say about the evils crimes of israeli occupation.
And to Donald,
Dude, a european colony called israel was FORCED upon a region against the will of the WHOLE region. How is that legal or moral? Also, very hasbara 101 of you to use the bogus Native American Indian equivalence.
Personally, I will never accept israel's right to exist in the first place. Unlike you, I will never accept brushing the question of the Nakba under the rotten rug of time, just so that the offsprings of racist colonials (racist colonials themselves) can enjoy the loot of the Nakba's despicable crimes.
Did you hear that miss miriam? No backtracking from ME whatsoever! I'll repeat: israel has no right to exist, either morally or legally.
You sure you know the definition of 'genocide', menachem?
Like Walid said above: "To be welcomed back, they would have to be deprogrammed of their adopted Zionist ideology."
My suggestion is, seeing you care so much about the future plight of Arab jews and all that, why don't you help them organize for the dismantlement of the colonial state of israel? Peace will surely come if there was no colonial occupation in the region and because of the rigorous assistance of Arab jews to this end, their good reputations with their respective countryfolk will undoubtedly be restored.
But I ain't holding my breath - I get the sense that you don't really care about Arab jews and I know you would consider my proposition "vile". Mehhh. By now, I'm expecting you to miss and misrepresent every point I make.
You didn't use the quote marks, Menachem, so obviously you've (willingly) misrepresented my point.
Where are your grandfathers from, Menachem? An Arab country? Sorry but I don't believe for a second you give a flying foofoo about Arab jews. It's nothing short of despicable cynicism for ashkanazim to use Arab jews against other Arabs. And nothing short of profound, remorseless ungratefulness for Arab jews to go against their Arab brothers and sisters, be they Arab moslem or Arab christians. But such indeed is the diabolical effect of zionism on its practitioners.
Besides, why would any Arab country allow the return of its native jews at this point of the game? There's damn good reason to question the 'loyalties' of Arab jews who've been brainwashed by ashkanazim zionism.
Donald,
Since when is it "ethnic cleansing" to evict an illegal squatter?
Get real people - stop making exceptions to the zionist state.
If the Bahamas ethnically cleansed New York and built settlements there, ya think New Yorkers are gonna give away a chunk of New York to the invaders when all is said and done?
I don't think so in a million years. And a majority of the world would agree with their stance.
What is allowed New Yorkers therefore is allowed to Palestinians in my book.
I don't believe any court in any country would allow the stolen loot to be passed on to the criminal's children. So why are we making exceptions for the zionists? Their grandfathers', their ancestral homes are in Europe and Europe is still there, last I checked the Atlas.
Victim's rights FIRST!!!!
No exceptions.
Ecru,
LOL don't go indadvertedly comparing me to that bearded jewish fanatic Rabbi Ovadia! LOL! Too funny!!
Through acts of aggression and war, UNILATERALLY declaring your statehood while the map was still being drawn by the UN does not make for a "legal" state! Read link posted by Citizen on another thread:
link to alanhart.net
Maybe Hostage would like to expound on the legalities of establishing a state. By world consent or UNILATERALLY by force - which is legal?
European Khazars claiming ancestry in the holy lands and ethnically cleansing and mass-murdering in the name of this bogus claim is NOT "morally" acceptable. No where damn NEAR acceptable!!!!!
Thin-skinned ziobots like yen have only the "anti-Semite" card to play and I ain't gonna care what they think, say or do in the face of the facts.
Little do these dastardly zios know what mondoweiss is about for all the ziocotton self-stuffed between their ears. Little do they know that if this were 1939, Mondoweiss would be in the front lines of waring against the bastard hitler!
Little do zionists know that it's 2013 and the Palestinians aren't the Germans and they're hated and fought against, whatever religion they may be, because of their sick colonial mindset and fascism.
keeps your socks on people, when I say israel has no right to exist either legally or morally, I mean and I ain't shy to say it because I'm holding the hands of both justice and fact.
Walid,
You can be for the RoR and NOT be living as a euro settler in occupied Palestine.
Sorry but I'm sick to death of listening to 'moderate and liberal' zionists.
Hypocrites!
If Gideon really wanted to solve the Palestinian problem, he would pack up his bags and give up living like a 'liberal' colonialist on someone else' land.
No respect whatsoever for ANYTHING the land thieves say, polite or belligerent they may be .
Plainly: israel has NO RIGHT to exist in the first place. Not morally, not even legally.
Just get the eff outta town with your 1 person/1 vote mister Levy!
Justice means for israelis to let go BOTH hands off historic Palestine, not just only one hand.
Walid,
Do you get the sense that mike is describing the lebanon east-west divide as something he experienced as an idf soldier occupying Beirut back in 1982?